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* Looking out a dirty, old window *

* Down below the cars in the city Go rushing by... *

Welcome back.

She has met more stars than Robin Leach and Barbara Walters combined.

This is how she does it. She lies her way into movie premieres.

She has crashed exclusive parties and even got past Secret Service

for a private chat with President Reagan.

I've never been one to follow the rules.

So please welcome Hollywood's number one star chaser, Missy Laws.

* We're the kids in America *

* Whoa... *

When I was living in Las Vegas, I taught myself how to party crash.

You wanna be their equal. You want

to be someone they would wanna talk to and they would wanna meet.

* Bright lights and music... *

I like the glitz and the glamour.

And then I thought, "Well, there's a lot of interest in this subject."

So I wrote a book about how to do it.

Missy Laws. Missy is the author of the new book Meet the Stars.

If someone says I can't get into a VIP area

or go past the velvet rope, it just inspires me to try harder.

I think, "Oh, okay. I have to find a way to get into this event."

And frankly, there was always a way to do it.

So when it came to stopping Hunter Moore,

I wasn't gonna be intimidated.

I win. I always win. That's what happens. So fuck you. You're not gonna stop me.

People said that he would come after me, that he would ruin my life.

But he came after my daughter.

Now I am going after him.

Charlotte is someone who does not give up on things.

Even though the picture was down,

Charlotte could not let it go.

The victims had no one else to fight for them, so I was kinda the anchor.

I was there for them, and I'm certainly not gonna walk away from that and say,

"Oh well, now my daughter's picture is down,

so you're on your own, everybody." I would never do that.

This is something she felt was

an unseen wrong that she wanted to bring to light.

And she was gonna work hard and tirelessly until that happened.

I wasn't too happy about Charlotte continuing

'cause Hunter Moore was a law unto himself.

Hunter had a set of followers who I think were deranged.

How far they would go,

no one could say.

But she continued anyway.

From, like, 6:00 a. m. until I go to bed at 9:00�p. m.,

I'm obsessively on the computer getting information,

compiling information about Hunter Moore and the victims.

It's the only way to fight against someone like Hunter Moore,

because he's obsessed with what he's doing. That's all he does.

It never stops. People are submitting all the time.

I don't even know when he slept.

There was no way I'm going to prevail

unless I'm just as obsessed.

By the end of February 2012,

I had spoken to 40 victims

who were posted within the two-week period that Kayla had been posted.

And I had learned that 40% of them

had never sent their pictures to anybody.

What I discovered confirmed my suspicions.

I thought that Hunter was hacking.

It meant anybody could become a target.

There was nowhere to hide.

It was really kind of shocking.

So I told Charles and Kayla about this.

My first reaction was,

"Wow."

"Good luck with that."

I mean, Charles just rolled his eyes. I think he was like,

"Oh my God, what's she doing now?"

And, uh, Kayla was...

Absolutely shocked.

This was not a one-time thing. It was happening to a lot of people.

And it felt like Hunter Moore had to be involved.

Well, I had these results of this survey, and so I wanted to get them out there.

I was trying to contact reporters to say,

"I believe there's hacking going on, and I think this needs to be reported."

But I couldn't get anybody

to, you know, take on the issue or write an article about it.

There was one very prominent reporter,

and I talked to her

and told her what the story was.

And her response was,

"You don't have a story."

No one believed me.

And it was really an uphill struggle.

And so that's when I decided

to write my own blog.

It was the only way I was gonna get the information out there.

But I was afraid to do it from my house or even from Los Angeles

because Hunter or one of his followers

could figure out that it was me from my IP address

and come after my family.

So I waited until I was on vacation in Las Vegas,

and then I went to one of the Internet cafes

in one of the hotels on the Strip.

I wrote the results of my survey,

including the fact that 40% of the victims I had spoken to,

I believed, had been hacked.

I wrote what Hunter Moore was doing and how brutal his website was.

I published the blog under the name Cassie Freedom.

I was thinking of freedom of speech and the ability

to be able to say the truth of what I knew.

I was feeling really good about it.

I was continually checking it and refreshing.

But then all of a sudden...

it was hacked.

I was just absolutely shocked.

Whoever it was must have had a Google alert

on the phrase "Hunter Moore", possibly "IsAnyoneUp."

There was a button

that said, "Hey, click here."

And of course, I did not click on it.

It was clearly, in my view, a virus and then the next thing I knew,

I was locked out of the entire blog.

And so I was totally freaked out.

I went from feeling really good about posting it to being like,

"Oh my God!" You know?

'Cause I thought I was in control a little bit when I posted the blog.

And then all of a sudden, they were back in control again. I couldn't believe it.

The mic is yours, Hunter.

Basically, you're sending these pictures to some cute boy.

It's your actions that are getting you in trouble.

Don't take the pictures and they won't ever be out there.

Hunter Moore was definitely controlling the narrative.

It's just boobs, dude. Come on.

Yeah. It's just tits, dude. Come on, damn.

The voices of the victims were being silenced.

No one cared about our plight.

They didn't care what the victims were going through at all.

And yet all these journalists were lining up to interview Hunter Moore.

I liked writing about subjects whom people reflexively hated.

I liked writing about things that people would look at and go, "Ew."

I'm Camille Dodero, and in 2012 I wrote about Hunter Moore for The Village Voice,

which was a news weekly

in New York City,

the largest alternative news weekly in America.

Part of my job was to come up with cover stories,

um, and to come up with features, you know, that would get eyeballs.

I started considering Hunter Moore as a profile subject in late 2011.

Today, I wanted to talk about how to deal with haters.

At that point, there was lots of vile behavior on the Internet,

but so much of it was anonymous and people hiding behind things.

And this was a person who was claiming it.

A lot of people fucking wanna kill me.

But for me, as a human being

who doesn't give a fuck...

He identified himself with this idea of non-consensual pornography.

But he, uh, didn't expect

any accountability for it.

Of course, that... that absolutely made it fascinating to me.

You deal with hate by laughing

and being relevant

and getting your dick sucked.

So this is gonna be a feature for The Voice.

You get to talk to Hunter a bunch of times.

He would come to New York City.

I would hang out with him and his entourage.

This would be, like, the big moment to see Hunter in the world

and see the Internet come to life.

We went to his birthday party at Webster Hall, this New York club.

For the few who don't know my website,

it's IsAnyoneUp.com, so please...

In 2012, the site was growing.

Its popularity had spread across America.

Lots of girls showed up specifically to, like, party with Hunter.

You know, kids with tattoos, piercings, chopped hair.

Hot Topic kids.

Most of them were, like, trying to make out with him

or following him around.

There's a lot of fucking dudes here, but there's a lot of whores here.

There was one kid there who told me that, you know,

"We all wanna be Hunter Moore. Like, he has the best life ever."

He was a mini celebrity to them.

Hunter was glad there was a reporter there to see it.

And he was playing that up.

And I thought I could outdrink all you guys,

but the first hour that I was here,

you guys are fucking, like, machines.

After the club, we go out into the street.

One of our group hails a limo somehow.

We're in this limo. There's about 13 or 14 of us,

and Hunter seems to take this as a cue

to get, like,

very crazy.

He starts making out with this girl that he was with that night.

He makes out with his male friend

"as a joke."

There was one girl who had been fawning all over Hunter.

And then he starts, like, being like,

"Come on, baby, let's have sex. Come on. Let's have sex."

And she's like, "No, Hunter, no!"

And, uh, they're on my lap at this point.

She said, "No."

But he didn't leave it alone.

He, you know, kept asking her.

I got the sense that Hunter's used to

getting people to do what he wants.

I definitely think he had a bit of a god complex.

So when Hunter was being interviewed by a reporter,

he would actually post it on Twitter.

That meant that I knew what was happening.

And I knew I could try to contact that particular journalist

and offer the victims' side of the story.

On April 2, 2012, my profile of Hunter Moore was published,

and within two or three hours, I got an email from a person...

...named Charlotte.

And I told her that I thought there was a hacking scheme.

I didn't know if Hunter was involved in it, but I definitely knew

there was a hacking scheme associated with his website.

At the end of her email, she put,

"By the way, I'm not a victim, but I've spoken to 40 victims from his site."

And that was totally remarkable to me,

that this person was contacting me

and had spoken to 40 victims.

I mean, I certainly didn't hold back.

I gave her any information that I had, anything that I'd been doing,

anything the victims had been doing.

She knew everything.

She had provided me with screenshots from the hacking,

messages from this strange email address.

She had reached out to the FBI.

Her detective skills were on par with

most investigative journalists that I know.

Thank you.

The more we talked, the more it became apparent

that there really might be something here.

There might actually be

a coordinated hacker,

which... which had never occurred to me.

And from then on, I just constantly worked on this.

Am I live? I think I am live.

But if Hunter was up to something illegal,

he certainly wasn't keeping a low profile.

What I do admire about you is you don't hide behind an alias.

What I admire about you are your massive balls.

Yeah.

He wanted people's attention all the time.

Just keep talking about me and keep following my Twitter.

And he starts getting all this press,

like interviews, �magazines, and everything.

If you like the drama, I mean, it's gonna get a lot worse.

This is a guy who started on some niche corner of the Internet.

I don't know, dude. Everybody just wants their five minutes, you know?

And he was now going mainstream.

So we gotta talk about a disturbing trend that is happening online right now,

and it really can ruin your life.

When he was asked to do Anderson Cooper, he saw it as a giant opportunity

to increase his brand and his visibility

and did not see it as a risk at all.

Today, you're gonna meet the young man behind this website

to see how he justifies what he's doing.

But first, I want you to meet some women

who feel violated by what this website has done to them.

Please welcome Melissa and Daveeda.

If you're doing something bad,

don't go on national television to brag about it.

Do you feel bad about doing this?

You don't know these women. You don't know anything about them.

I mean, that's kind of what makes it easier, you know. I mean...

You know, it is all anonymous. I don't know these people,

and, uh, you know.

But they're sitting right here. You don't feel any...

No one put a gun to your head and made you take these pictures.

But if we're choosing to send them to somebody that we trust,

like, that doesn't mean that we expect them to show up on the Internet.

And there's nothing we can do to take them down.

We have no option to do that.

Hunter thought he was bulletproof,

but then he got on Anderson Cooper's stage.

You know, he came off like a dick.

You know, he thought that that Internet persona,

that attitude that he was able to kind of edit and prune for an online audience,

he thought that would translate to TV, but it absolutely didn't.

So you admit what you're doing is not right.

Uh, I mean, just looking at my website,

I mean, it should kind of educate you, you know, on technologies.

You have educational value here? Is that honestly what you believe?

Not concerning towards, uh, you know, underage kids with camera phones, yes.

I mean, ladies like this, no.

It was obvious that he felt no remorse.

He didn't care. He was the king of the world.

Going on The�Anderson Cooper Show showed the world who he really was.

He told us, his followers, that Anderson Cooper was, like, fake,

and that...

that the things he said were, like, edited

and just pieced together to make him look worse.

He's like, "The media, don't trust the media. It's all fake."

Just 'cause there's a lot of people who are jerks out there

doesn't mean you have to be one of them too.

And it doesn't mean that you have to profit off it.

I mean,

but I want to.

Hunter truly believed all publicity was good publicity.

Going on Anderson Cooper is one way to test that theory.

And in some ways, he was right.

Because after he went on the show,

the site blew up and became a global phenomenon.

It's been called "revenge porn."

...that he then uploads to his site IsAnyoneUp.com.

A site that's fueled by sexting pictures

and Facebook information.

The engagement and the submissions multiplied,

going from maybe, you know, 10 to 20 submissions a day

to anywhere from 50 to 200.

But the other side of the story...

is that once you start telling everybody what a bad guy you are

and all the bad things you're doing,

you become something people wanna crusade against.

Going on Anderson Cooper put a target on Hunter's back.

In January 2012, I was working in the FBI field office

in Los Angeles, California.

I was working in the Cyber Division.

I quickly learned that the Internet never forgets.

It's always on. It's always there. Anything posted there,

it's nearly impossible to get it taken down.

One of the reasons I joined the FBI was to help people who were powerless

and helpless and really didn't even know what to do to fix an issue like this.

I mean...

The first time I saw Hunter Moore was on The Anderson Cooper Show.

Just looking at my website...

Personally, I was shocked by just his lack of empathy

and how he didn't care about who he was hurting,

how he was hurting them,

or the repercussions for what he was doing in these people's lives.

One of the sections to the website was called "Daily Hate."

Um, and this was a section where Hunter

would post responses from people who were on the website

pleading to be taken off.

He could make fun of them and get the whole mob

of the website to help with that and to make the person feel even worse.

I had never seen anything like this before.

And it was definitely something I wanted to pursue.

I look into the legality of the site

and discovered there weren't really any laws in place

that prevented a site like this from operating.

But then I heard from a colleague,

a woman named Charlotte Laws had called in about her daughter, Kayla,

being posted to�IsAnyoneUp.

Charlotte believed that Kayla's account had been hacked.

While revenge porn wasn't illegal, hacking definitely was.

It gave us enough to start an investigation.

It had been several weeks since I reported the hacking to the FBI.

And Charles had said they were just humoring me, but, lo and behold,

three agents showed up one afternoon.

I was extremely impressed when the FBI came to the house.

I thought it was an achievement in itself.

I certainly did not think Charlotte would pull it off.

I thought the three agents were very nice. They were all young guys, energetic guys.

I was very impressed with Jeff Kirkpatrick.

I definitely got a sense of desperation from them,

that they had gone to other places to try to deal with this matter.

It was so relieving to know that they believed me.

They were on my side.

Part of what we have to do when we start these types of investigations

is establish that the hacking actually did take place.

Kayla told me

that the only place those photos existed was in her email account.

I sent the photos to my email address

because my cell phone ran out of space,

and I put it into a folder called "My Pics."

So she told me that she had been locked out of her email account,

and it happened to be

that that lockout was a couple days before her photos ended up being on the website.

And one big clue we found was that when Kayla got her email account back,

there was a secondary email that was added to the account.

The secondary email was garyjones815@gmail.com.

Really aroused my suspicion and gave credence to the...

that the account had been hacked and the photos taken from that account.

Jeff told me Kayla had been hacked.

I totally felt vindicated.

Everything had been completely worthwhile.

Charles made a joke at that point.

He said, "The FBI should hire Charlotte. It's her calling."

So everybody laughed at that.

Charlotte is way more invested in this than anyone I've seen in any of my cases.

She brought out a giant folder of evidence she had gathered.

And I handed it to Jeff.

And I told him that there were multiple victims in multiple states.

It was all over the country.

The potential was there that there may have been dozens

or hundreds or even a thousand victims in this case.

I thought if Hunter Moore was responsible or played a part in this,

then he would definitely be looking at prison time.

But Jeff said it would take at least a year

to complete the investigation. Probably more.

I didn't want them doing their own investigation

alongside ours and potentially interfering with it.

I agreed, but it was a difficult position to be in

because there's all these victims with their pictures on the website

who need the pictures down immediately.

I mean, they can't wait a year.

That's very risky for them

because those pictures continue to populate to other websites.

Those victims needed help now.

Okay.

Public humiliation.

Yeah, it is.

And you are fine with blasting it out

and basically ruining, in some cases, other people.

I mean, to me, I don't know these people,

and it's kind of anonymous to me.

I think, uh, the people submitting it are the ones who should be, uh, feeling bad

when they click that "submit" button.

He's trying to avoid guilt.

He can't take responsibility for it.

So you have no empathy.

No, they're just p... They're characters and avatars and icons on a screen.

I don't feel like an avatar.

I'm fully human.

I guess that's typical for a sociopath

to dehumanize somebody.

I was 21.

And I was living in LA.

I felt like I was kind of at the source of this underground scene

that was booming all over the world.

So I was having a ton of fun.

And, you know, it came to a sudden end for me.

A very abrupt ending.

I met my ex at a party.

We were together, I don't know, maybe six months

before I found out that I was pregnant.

As much as we wanted to work it out,

it just... it just didn't.

During that time, I sent him some intimate images

in an effort to just rekindle

some kind of, you know, romance between us both.

But obviously that didn't work.

So I left Hollywood.

I got on a plane.

I went home.

You know, Star City has always been

a place I could come home to and find support.

It's a really, really small farm town.

There's, like, one stoplight, maybe, like, 50 churches.

Everyone knew each other.

If you told one person something,

you know, the entire community would find out about it,

so it would make its rounds for sure.

My son was two.

And I moved on.

And we were having dinner.

And all of a sudden,

my boyfriend at the time,

his phone started...

dinging with text messages

over and over...

...from different people.

They were just saying, "Oh my God, have you seen this website?"

"Danielle is on it."

I remember him saying,

"Do you know what this is? Do you... Are you aware of this?"

And

it was an absolute shock to me.

The profile they had created of me had a screenshot

of my Facebook account

and some intimate photos.

Seeing the photos was pretty horrible.

But the comments were devastating.

It was something to the extent of,

"Look at this

stupid

girl."

"I invite you to mock her."

And so there were comments and comments and comments and comments

of people just mocking me.

I think the moment that broke me...

was when I got a call from my brother...

...my little brother.

And he was just like, "I'm so sorry."

"I'm so sad for you."

"You know, my friends are pulling this up."

"Everybody can see it."

You know, I just thought...

that there was no way I'd ever escape the humiliation of that.

I knew that I had only sent those images to my ex in LA and no one else.

Immediately, I called him.

And I was just like, "How could you do this to me?"

But he assured me that he did not.

And he said that he knew Hunter

from the MySpace scene crowd.

So I reached out to Hunter,

and I pleaded with him.

I told him that I had a little boy

and to please remove these images

because it was humiliating to me and my family.

And the response that I got was...

..."LOL."

You know, it was just like Hunter laughing in my face.

Hunter Moore,

he had an idea to get famous

and no one mattered.

All that mattered was to create a name for himself.

It was going to take a lot to stop him.

I'm James McGibney. I'm a United States Marine.

I take down Internet bullies.

I joined the marines when I was 18.

And it wasn't long before I was responsible for the cybersecurity

of 128 embassies throughout the world.

By the time it was 2012,

I had left the marines,

and I was running multiple websites.

And I'm making lots of money.

One day, out of the blue, I get a call from Hunter Moore.

And he was curious if I was interested in advertising

one of my sites on his website IsAnyoneUp.

I had never heard of�IsAnyoneUp.

I was very curious about it. It had a catchy name.

So I went to the website...

and was appalled by what I saw.

I immediately see a bunch of naked women

with some very derogatory comments below it,

such as "She's a whore. She's a slut",

with their home address in some instances,

where she went to school, where her parents worked.

If you look at those posts, those really are the ultimate form of bullying.

And it... it pissed me off.

I hate bullies

because I was bullied so severely as a child.

My earliest and first interaction with a bully was actually my father.

I remember watching him beat the shit out of my mother with a frying pan.

My brother and I were taken out of the house

by the New York City Police Department, and I never saw either my mother,

my father, or my brother ever again.

So when I saw�IsAnyoneUp,

I had those same emotions of when I was a child.

And I could relate to the women who were posted on that site,

the helplessness that you feel.

I heard about Charlotte Laws helping these women.

But I figured I could also help in my own unique way.

I know I'm smarter than this guy.

I know that I can intellectually outwit him

and get this site taken down and protect these women.

I didn't know exactly how yet,

but from that point on,

I had one goal,

which was to totally and utterly destroy Hunter Moore's life.

For the FBI, this was considered an active threat,

which made us prioritize this investigation.

And what that means is that there were still victims showing up on the website.

There were still potentially accounts being hacked.

So we need to act quicker so that we can make that activity stop.

To have an FBI investigation,

we also have to have the US Attorney's Office

decide if we have a legitimate case to move forward.

My next step was to call the US Attorney's Office,

where I spoke to Wendy Wu.

My role as the lead prosecutor was to assess the evidence

and determine whether that was sufficient to prove the charges

and what additional evidence we needed for the prosecution.

For many of the victims, their lives were changed permanently.

These photos did not end up on this website naturally,

so I felt very strongly

that these women deserve justice.

I personally went out and interviewed almost all of the victims.

As I talked to more of them, the method the hacker was using became apparent.

So, um, one of my friends on Facebook

actually got her Facebook hacked,

and, um, the person who hacked her Facebook

was messaging people on her friends list

saying like, "Hey, how are you? Do you think you can do me a favor?"

The victim would receive a message from the hacker,

who was using their friend's account.

The hacker would tell the victim that they'd been locked out of their email

and lost their phone,

so they could not get the verification code

to reset their own email password.

They would then ask the victim if they could have the verification code

sent to the victim's cellphone

and for the victim to provide that code to them.

Typically, friends are gonna agree to help,

so they all of a sudden get a text message of a password reset.

They would provide the hacker

with the details of the password reset code from the text message.

And then all of a sudden, like, two seconds later, I got an email saying,

"Okay, you've changed your password."

And I messaged her back. I was like, "Okay, what's going on? My..."

"I just got an email saying that I changed my password."

"I didn't do that."

What they didn't know was that message was to reset the password

of their own account.

So almost immediately they would lose access to their email.

The hacker would then have access to all of the messages,

all of the attachments, any photos that were attached to any email messages.

After the hacker had stolen the victim's photos,

he would infiltrate their social media accounts

to impersonate that person online.

The hacker's method was simple but effective.

He was using the victim's social network against them.

Just like with Kayla Laws' account,

most of the victims reported a secondary email being added.

It allows the hacker to reset the password at any point in the future

to regain access to the account.

Yeah, everyone that I talked to, like, we were all hacked by Gary Jones.

But who was Gary Jones? Was it Hunter Moore or someone else?

The next step in the investigation is to identify

where that account's being used and who's the person behind it.

Throughout the investigation, I spoke to Charlotte and Kayla pretty frequently.

He couldn't, like, come out and tell me stuff,

but he would say things and I could kind of read around what he was saying,

and I kind of knew what was going on.

We'd tried to�let them know, "We're making progress."

"I know it doesn't look like it from your side."

"But it's not something that can happen in days or weeks."

I know that's how they work.

I mean, law enforcement can be very slow. And the wheel turns in a very slow way.

In the meantime, I continued to push forward

and to reach out to victims.

You know, I wanted to try to do what I could to help the victims.

I absolutely

hid from the world.

I didn't wanna be seen in public.

You know, it was as if I was wearing a scarlet letter.

I could just sense it in people,

the way that they looked at me, as if I'd asked for this,

as if I had done something wrong.

I did nothing wrong.

I called off work

because we were trying to do damage control,

to reach out to people and say, "Please don't share this with anyone."

'Cause I just felt the longer it was up, the more a wildfire was spreading.

I spoke to Danielle, and she was from a small town,

which is particularly difficult.

And she just didn't know where to turn or what to do.

It was great knowing someone was fighting for everybody who had experienced that,

that someone was finally stepping up and fighting back.

I wanted Danielle to know she wasn't alone,

that there are other victims in the same situation.

I felt like that was an important role I was playing

is being someone they could lean on

and somebody who was out there trying to get that site down,

trying to get those photos down.

It absolutely helped me.

It absolutely helped me.

It gave me light. It gave me hope.

Because of the simple method, and, uh, I would call it the sloppiness

of leaving a secondary email behind for evidence,

I didn't get the feeling I was dealing with a mastermind when it came to hacking.

People make claims all the time. "You're photoshopping or you're hacking."

If I did know how to hack, um,

my site would be a lot more successful than it is.

I mean, I get 150 submissions a day. I don't need to hack.

And they didn't take any effort to hide the IP address

that they were logging in to their accounts from.

The closest thing to explaining an IP address is your home address.

It is a group of numbers that's provided by your Internet service provider,

who can tell you exactly

where that IP address was assigned and who it belongs to.

So to further the investigation, we wanna look at IP addresses

that are coming from victims' accounts,

that are coming from the Gary Jones account,

and try to put all those together into a picture.

I look through the IP addresses

and two started to stick out.

One of them we find is a apartment in Studio City, California.

The other IP address is a business not far away.

Further investigation leads to...

Charlie Evens.

We start to investigate who Charlie Evens is.

Really nothing stood out. Seems like a regular guy

living in Studio City,

working nearby, living a daily life, having girlfriends.

So we're still guessing. Is it him? Is it a roommate?

Does he share his Wi-Fi with a neighbor?

But then we discovered his nude photos had been posted on IsAnyoneUp.

And we believe that he had submitted those himself.

At this point in the investigation, I strongly believed

that Charlie is Gary Jones and the one hacking these accounts.

It was a major breakthrough in the case.

But unless we were able to connect him to Hunter Moore,

Hunter would be in the clear.

The best way to establish the connection between these two

would be to see if there are any emails between them.

If we could do that,

then Hunter would be facing serious consequences,

including prison time.

So we had to work as quickly as we could to build a good case

and stop Hunter Moore from ruining people's lives.

What's up, Hunter Moore?

Nothing, dude.

Just chopping a line and packing a bowl right now, to be honest with you.

I love money and vagina...

And doing lines. -Yeah.

And dropping molly. -Yeah, and...

Oh my God, I was so mollied out last night.

Hunter cared about three things.

Sex, drugs, and money.

Well, I couldn't provide the first two.

But I most certainly had the wherewithal to be able to provide him with some money.

Hunter was portraying to the media that he was making at least $20.000 a month.

But the more I spoke to Hunter,

I quickly realized he was very desperate for money.

So I decided to advertise with him.

Now, my skin crawled a bit.

I'm handing this pornographer money,

which is helping him keep the site up and running.

But I wanted to put my emotions aside

and keep feeding him money so I could learn

every aspect of his business.

Just like the marines, you have to study your opponent.

You have to study your prey.

And I got to know more about Hunter's environment

than Hunter knew about his environment.

I knew where every server was.

I knew every IP address.

I knew how many visitors were there.

And it wasn't long before I discovered what I was looking for.

After Hunter's appearance on Anderson Cooper,

he was getting ten times the amount of traffic.

He was now on a national platform.

Dude, I did The Anderson Cooper Show,

and it went from, you know, our creepy little community

to, like, literally the world coming to my site.

But subsequently, more weirdos were submitting to the site.

So it was just, like, people having sex with animals

and, like, chopping dogs' heads off.

Turned into, like, horrible stuff.

You know, and also, all the underage stuff and all that.

I had a�whole team dealing with age verifying, you know.

That's five kids in my downstairs kitchen

all just age verifying all fucking day.

Everything has a digital footprint that's on the Internet.

And that was the vulnerability that I knew I could exploit.

Sometimes you have to be a bully to beat a bully.

But I'm not gonna bully him physically.

I'm going to intellectually mind fuck him.

We started talking about the content that was on his servers.

I asked him, "How are you verifying the age of some of these girls?"

"Because I'm telling you right now, I verified some of them."

"I pulled the�EXIF data out of some of your photos, �Hunter."

"I don't know what method you're using, but it's clearly wrong."

"Because this girl right here who you're saying is 19

is 15."

I told Hunter, "Look, this is really bad."

"It's a big risk."

"And it's just a matter of time before you're gonna go to jail."

Hunter started getting scared.

He did realize what was happening around him

was extremely serious,

because there were multiple people

coming at him.

I just wanted it

to go away.

During the FBI investigation,

I talked to Camille a lot.

Charlotte told me she had gotten the FBI involved.

So, you know, I called Hunter.

I said, "I've been told that the FBI is investigating you

for hacking."

And at first, he made a joke of it.

But the more and more we talked, he got increasingly angrier.

He was very defensive.

He said, "That's a serious allegation."

He went ballistic, saying that he would get a gun and kill the person

who started the FBI investigation, which, of course, is me.

But I thought that that meant he was scared

and he didn't wanna get arrested.

Finally,

we were getting to him.

Seeing how worried Hunter was about law enforcement,

I felt at that point that

that was the most vulnerable I was gonna get him.

That's when I decided

we have to strike, and we have to strike now.

I told Hunter,

"Look, your life is gonna be utterly destroyed

if you don't allow me to interject right now."

"I'm going to give you this one and only chance, Hunter,

where I can bail you out of this completely."

"I'll buy the site. I'll take on all of it."

"Just give it to�me, because if you don't, you're gonna be in a world of hurt."

I made the offer for less than $12.000.

I told him I did not want the content for obvious reasons.

I don't want pedophilia images coming into our servers,

I just wanted the domain and to get the site down.

And he thought it through.

As far as Hunter,

what he wanted to do,

I mean, he loved his fans so much

and really was willing to do anything

to keep that following there.

But also, he was terrified,

and he didn't want to go to prison.

I heard from Hunter the next day, and...

he said that he was willing to sell the site.

Okay.

One of the conditions that I had with Hunter, uh,

for buying the site was I wanted him to write an open letter,

and I wanted him to apologize to all of his victims.

Early in 2012, I had launched an anti-bullying website

that was called�BullyVille.com.

I wanted to talk to you about another one of your websites, BullyVille.

Tell me about that.

Thanks. Yeah, BullyVille's an anti-bullying site.

So, kids come to our site, and they can read stories that celebrities have posted

about how they were bullied and how they got through it.

I told Hunter, "Listen."

"I'm gonna forward IsAnyoneUp to BullyVille.com."

"Your letter is gonna be on BullyVille."

I pushed the button.

And at that very instant,

Hunter and my life dramatically changed.

Hunter Moore's IsAnyoneUp...

was no more.

The site was voluntarily shut down this week and in a bizarre twist...

...the site now directs you to an anti-bullying network.

I couldn't believe it.

I'd been fighting to get Hunter's website down for months,

and then all of a sudden,

he took it down.

Everybody was amazed. His followers were amazed.

The victims were amazed. That was a huge move.

It was a victory.

It was like, "We did it."

And I was so proud of my mom.

All the victims were elated.

I was getting phone call after phone call.

You know, it felt like finally they could maybe live their life again.

The terrorizing had come to an end...

...at least for that site.

It was traumatic to experience.

Just because someone posted some photos of me on a website,

do I have to live the rest of my life

and let that identify me? No.

No.

Hunter, when you say the site wasn't supposed to be what it became,

does that mean the whole time you were doing it,

you felt that there was something wrong with what you were doing?

Of course. I mean, I'm human. I don't wanna hurt people

or, you know, make people cry

or make them want to hurt themselves.

You know, I'm 26 now.

Um, I started the site when I was 24. I've obviously matured.

When the site came down, I felt, like, relief,

but also, you know, sad.

Sad because I was such a huge part of the site.

And it was a huge community and a huge part of my life.

Some people were genuinely upset, genuinely dismayed

that this thing had been removed.

People thought nothing was wrong with it.

People must have thought he was sold out. Some of the diehard fans

would've seen that he was now helping to fight cyberbullying,

whereas a lot of people found their personality in cyberbullying.

And they'd just lost their patron saint.

And they felt incredibly dejected and abandoned by him.

There were a lot of angry people.

Thousands and thousands of his followers were upset

and wondering, you know, why did he just turn over so quickly?

Was he sold out by the money?

I saw that word "sellout", # sellout, #huntermoore thousands of times.

It was actually trending at one point.

When you ridicule them, are you then becoming a bully?

Are you a cyberbully then?

Yeah, that was another factor in helping me shut down the site. Um...

Yeah. I was totally a bully, a really big bully.

Hunter was pretending publicly that he had changed.

That he felt bad for hurting people, quote, unquote.

And he didn't wanna do this revenge porn anymore.

There just wasn't any way that Hunter was reformed.

I mean, you know, after you've read his postings

day after day, hour after hour for long enough,

you see what the core of this guy is.

And he's a guy who's filled with hate.

He's a guy who hates women. He thinks all females are sluts.

You know, it was very clear who Hunter Moore was.

That was super clear.

This guy is the Internet's most hated man.

He shut down his revenge porn site.

He sold the domain

to an anti-bullying group called BullyVille.com.

That's right. Hunter, are you with us?

Yes. I'm here, Dr. Drew.

A few days after we purchased the site,

I found out that Hunter was gonna be appearing on Dr. Drew

to talk about�IsAnyoneUp.

Dr. Drew had a popular show that had millions of viewers every night,

so Hunter was gonna be on a national stage.

So tell me why you decided to take it down.

As far as, uh, getting to the point where, we... uh...

I wanted to take it down was after my appearance on Anderson Cooper...

The upside was he's gonna mention BullyVille, which is great.

The downside is what scared the shit out of me

because Hunter's a loaded cannon.

You just don't know what you're gonna get with him.

And, uh, you know, with all the attention,

we had more weirdos and more weirdos every day submitting to the site.

I don't like looking at little kids naked, and I had to do it every single day.

And, you know, that's what I got myself into.

He's talking about the weirdos submitting to the site.

So far, I think he's doing okay.

We're taking calls tonight, and I've got someone on the phone

who wants to talk to you.

Her daughter was one of the young women that, uh, ended up on Hunter's web page.

And then Charlotte Laws pops up.

Charlotte, there you are. Tell me what happened.

I really felt it was necessary to confront Hunter

and to get the truth out there.

But everybody was concerned that I was going public with my face like this,

because then Hunter would definitely know

that I was the one who was coming after him.

My daughter ended up on the site in January,

and we promptly, um, asked Mr. Moore to remove her photograph.

Now, she had taken the pictures of herself with her cell phone in her room.

She never intended to show them to anyone.

She had never sent them to anyone.

All of a sudden, she's hacked.

And these photos immediately appear on the website.

We sent notice to Mr. Moore to ask him to remove them.

He basically laughed.

It's not even just my daughter.

I spoke to 40 victims. I contacted victims from that site,

and I found out that 40% of those people had been hacked.

It took a tremendous amount of guts to go head-to-head with Hunter Moore.

But Charlotte Laws was tenacious.

And she had the oar that she was gonna smack him on the head

until he drowned.

And that's exactly what happened.

I'm just amazed that he's pretending to be this good guy and this changed guy.

He liked being a life�ruiner.

He created great emotional distress.

And basically, this is cyber-rape. That's all it is.

I think he was very upset that a woman was standing up to him.

And she was representing all women, all of the victims on his site.

Your daughter said she was hacked, correct?

You know, usually people that are embarrassed, who made mistakes,

try to fall back on something else. I'm sure she sent the pictures

to a million different guys and�ended up on my site just like everybody else.

You know, I'm sorry, uh, that your daughter was "cyber-raped", um,

but, I mean, now she's, uh, educated on technology.

Typical Hunter Moore. What can I say?

Hunter, are you ashamed?

Um, yeah, I mean, I'm not ashamed of the parts

that I actually did on the site.

You know, it was me submitting girls... I am ashamed. Sorry, let me rephrase that.

He's not even sure what he's ashamed of,

because the truth is he's not ashamed of any of it.

He's constantly contradicting himself in this interview.

It's kind of funny, actually.

If it's not so sad and depressing, it's kind of funny.

But, um, I can't take accountability for what other people have done.

I mean, I created a platform for people...

I gotta go to break. It's been an interesting conversation.

I tried to call Hunter for the rest of that day,

and he wasn't picking up his phone. It was going straight to voicemail.

I ended up talking to him the following morning.

And he told me to go fuck myself, and he hung up the phone on me.

Guest in the chatroom wants to know, "What's up with that�BullyVille article?"

Come on, BullyVille? What the fuck? Come on.

Dude, I'll be completely fucking honest. I'm gonna buy a ticket to Vegas,

probably tonight,

find that fool's fucking wife, and make his kids watch me fuck his wife.

Like, I fucking hate that fucking guy.

We didn't really think this was the end.

You know, he wasn't a changed man, and he was still someone to be afraid of.

So IsAnyoneUp takes over the world, you gave it to an anti-bullying website.

No, fuck that!

When Hunter lost the site,

he lost the respect of his followers.

Obviously, he felt the need to keep his followers on his side.

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He had to take everything to the extreme after that.

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I thought selling it to an anti-bullying site

was the biggest troll move I could ever make.

Like, tongue in cheek!

Yeah, like, "Has Hunter changed?" Like, all this shit?

Has he found Jesus? Has he found Jesus?

Yeah.

Obviously, it just came down to money. I mean...

Dude, without bullying I don't know what I'd do.

I don't know who I'd be.

He was going to come back

with something ten times bigger, ten times better...

and...

would do whatever it takes.

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