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anyone can be a good writer. I think
people are natural storytellers.
Everyone wants to know what happens
next.
I have this one bit of advice
which I I really believe it's really
worked for me and I think it's very
important for writers. You don't have to
be afraid of writing. It's not scary.
Don't listen to all these people who
talk about how hard writing is. It's not
hard. You don't want to make it seem
like it's some something that's
complicated, something that you have to
work at, something that has to come from
deep inside you. It doesn't. You can
just write for fun. Why Why do you have
to write from your heart? You know, the
truth is I've written maybe 330 books
and I haven't written a single one for
my heart. Not one.
I'm RL Stein and this is my master
class.
Every author, their most asked question
is, "Where do you get your ideas?"
Everyone asks it. Adults ask it, kids
ask it, reporters ask it. Where do you
get your ideas? I'd say maybe twothirds
of my fan mail starts out like this.
Dear RL Stein, our teacher is forcing us
to write to an author. I chose you.
Where do you get your ideas? And I have
to say in all honesty, I can't tell you
how to get ideas. I can't. Other authors
I know people will say, well, why don't
you start by asking yourself the
question, what if? What if this happens?
But that doesn't that's not an idea. You
have to have an idea to answer the
question. And I I can't I can't tell you
how to get ideas, but I can tell you how
to go about getting ideas. I can tell
you how to stay alert for ideas. And
it's just a matter of thinking in the
right ways and
staying alert and keeping yourself open
and watching for ideas. For a long time
I used to go to schools and I would say
well there you can go to the idea store.
That's where I get my ideas. I get my
ideas at the idea store and there are
three different departments in the idea
store. There's experience,
memory, and imagination.
And those are the three departments you
can go to to find ideas. And actually,
I mean, I made up, you know, idea store.
It's ridiculous. But those three things
are the way to get to lead you to ideas.
Being alert is so important. I was
taking a walk in my neighborhood. It was
walking up West End Avenue in New York
and it was after school time and a boy
walked by with his mother
and just as I passed the boy said to his
mother, "I'm the only boy in my class
who can color inside the lines."
And I thought, "Wow, I haven't thought
about that in so long. the whole idea of
having to color inside the lines. And
I've just thought about that that heard
the voice, what the boy said. And I went
home and I wrote a story. It actually
became like a little radio play on my
website called um How to Color a
Monster.
And it was about some kids who start
coloring a monster coloring book. And if
they go outside the lines, the monster
will come to life. But I I'm telling
this just as an example of how you can
you can get an idea just from anything,
from any brief moment. You just have to
be alert to it. One day I was in the
airport in Los Angeles and I was
watching a family say goodbye to their
kid, their son. He was nine or 10 years
old
and he was flying by himself for the
first time and the parents were really
nervous. They were hugging him and
kissing him and saying, "You'll be okay.
You'll be fine." He was kid was fine. He
was perfectly okay, but they were very
nervous. And finally, he turned to go to
the gate to get on the plane. And as he
did that, his father handed him a white
envelope
and he walked off and went onto the
plane. And I'm watching this whole thing
and suddenly I'm thinking, what if
he gets on the plane, he sits down, he
opens the envelope, he takes out a note,
and it says, "We are not your parents."
How that I that just came to me. I don't
know, you know, why why would I think
that, but
just from something that I that I
watched and I used that in a Goosebumps
book actually. Uh it's a very scary
moment in a book called Curse of the
Mummy's Tomb.
The other department in the idea store
that I talk about is memory. You can
think back to things that will inspire
you. Think back to things that will give
you some kind of spark of an idea. I
when we were kids, my brother and I, I
we used to we were worried my parents
would go out and then maybe they'd be
late coming back and we'd worry about
it. We thought, gee, where are they?
It's like, you know, we were nervous
where they were out. And and um I had
this idea. I mean, what if parents go
out and then they never come back?
They're just gone. And I wrote this Fear
Street book called Missing where these
two teenagers are home and their parents
are just gone. And at first they
celebrate. They have a big party.
They're real happy about it. But the
next day, the parents still don't come
back and they still don't and then they
call their office to find out where they
are. and the people at work have never
heard of them.
They don't know who they are. They don't
know who their parents are and they're
gone. And that just came from
remembering having this childhood memory
of being nervous about parents being
gone. Let me think of another memory
example. Uh my dad had on his front
lawn, he had these hideous lawn gnomes.
These made out of they were clay lawn. I
don't know what they were. Porcelain.
They were hideous and he loved them. He
had like three of them and they were so
ugly and I just remember that years
later I remembered these things and I
wrote Attack of the Lawn Gnomes, a
Goosebumps book about lawn gnomes who
come to life at night. So you I you just
have to you have to be alert to these
memories.
The third department in the idea store
is imagination.
And you're going to use this more than
anything. I I I have to say one thing
people always say to me, do you you must
get a lot of ideas in your dreams. You
must have great dreams. And I say I
would say this to writers, don't rely on
your dreams. I have never had an idea
from a dream. Never. Not once. And I
have I have well I have the most boring
dreams you can imagine. One night I
dreamed I was making a bologn sandwich.
Really? It was I got out the white bread
then I got the baloney. This was like an
exciting dream for me. I've never had
never had an idea for dreams. So I I
don't you know I just don't recommend
that. But I was walking my dog in the
park and this is where the imagination
part comes in. And I it's very hard to
explain, but if you open yourself up to
these things, I I think this is going to
happen to you. I'm walking my dog in
Riverside Park in New York, and these
words flash into my mind. Say cheese and
die.
Why? I mean, where where did that come
from? I have no idea. Say cheese and
die. I'm thinking about it. Thinking
about it. I know it's a good title.
And so I think I then it just leads me
to think what if there is an evil
camera? What if some kids discover the
evil camera? What if the camera takes
pictures of things that happen, bad
things that happen in the future? What
would happen then? And that's how that
book developed. It just came from
nowhere, I think.
I haven't never really figured out why
did I like writing so much. Why? I was n
years old. Why would I shut myself up in
my room and be typing and typing these
stories and writing? Why did I like it
so much? And I've given it a lot of
thought and I think I grew up feeling
like an outsider and I always thought
maybe that's one reason why I would
wanted to write. I would I was like on
the sidelines. I was an outsider. I was
like observing. I could watch them and
see them, you know, and I would be in my
room and I I think I would be creating
the world. I would be creating people. I
would be I would be in charge. I'd be
part of it. And that's that's that's the
appeal of writing anyway. Whether you
feel like you're an outsider in the real
world or not, the appeal of writing is
that you're here creating your own
universe and you can control people and
you can make them funny or you can scare
them and you can do all this. It's in
your head and it's on paper and it's on
the screen and you're building your own
world. It's a wonderful thing.
If you want to write and you want to get
ideas,
um, you have to use everything. You have
to be alert and open to everything.
Everything you read, everything you
listen to, everything it you have to
allow these things to inspire you.
When I was a kid, um, some of the early
TV shows have inspired my writing a lot.
And of course, all those 1950s horror
films are,
you know, most of you can recognize them
in Goosebumps. Uh, when we were kids, my
brother and I used to go see a horror
movie every Saturday afternoon. They had
Tom and Jerry cartoons and then a horror
movie every Saturday. And we saw all the
films. The beast from 20,000 fathoms,
the creature from the black lagoon, it
walks among us, the brain that wouldn't
die, it came from beneath the sea, all
these great titles. And you I think you
can recognize some of them as Goosebumps
titles because most Goosebumps titles
are sort of like 50s horror movies. But
I, you know, I remember these films from
my childhood. I remember them. And then
you can like borrow the germ of an idea
from it and you can take it and adapt it
in your own way. I was a huge Twilight
Zone fan. Rod Serling is a big big hero
of mine and I know a lot of Goosebump
stories have come from, you know,
without even intending it have come from
my memory of Twilight Zone episodes that
I watched back in the day. And I this is
a great way for uh to to a very
important way I think to get inspiration
um just from all the things that you
read and the things you love.
A good title is a real attention grabber
that doesn't give anything away.
Doesn't really tell you what anything.
It just it it establishes a little bit
about the book. I did a Fear Street book
called Give Me a K. Give me a K I L.
So, you know, it's a cheerleader book
and you know someone's going to die, but
that's it. It's an attention getter.
That's all. It tells you a little bit of
the premise, a little bit about what
you're going to get, but it doesn't
really tell you anything. I have to
admit that I, you know, I've written so
many books now that I don't really try
to think of ideas anymore. I I never try
to think of ideas. I only think of
titles. I had this great title that I
loved. It was a little shop of hamsters.
It's a great title, right? But I, you
know, how then I'm thinking, how do you
make hamsters scary? That's the
challenge. And so I'm thinking, well,
what if there's a giant hamster? Or what
if there are a thousand hamsters? And
what if a boy is trapped in a place,
some place with a thousand hamsters or
something, but that all my books now
come from titles. I just think of the
title and then work out the story from
there. I know that's backward for most
authors. Most authors get an idea for
story, they start to write, later on
they think of the title. But I always
have the title first. Always start with
the title and it leads me to another
story. Um there's a book I want to write
that they won't let me write called
Morons from Mars. I love that title. And
I submitted it to my editor, Morons from
Mars. And he said, "I'm really sorry. We
can't do it. It might offend the
morons."
And so I I have but I use that title.
And then from that title you get like a
German idea. What if these really dumb
people came down from Mars? And then you
build from that you you then you ask
what if. What if once you have that
basic thing you say what if this
happened? What if that happened? And
that's how you grow the story from you
get some little nugget some title some
basic idea and then grow the story from
that. Are you I think if you're just
open to any experience that you're
having, if you just you have to have
this kind of just vision of seeing
things and thinking, "Oh, good. That'll
be a good title. Oh, that'll be you have
to be thinking about it all the time."
Um, I was in a a Walmart, which was a
rare experience for me. I was down in
Florida because we don't have Walmart in
New York. I don't have it. And I'm
walking around. It was Halloween time.
And there was they were selling
costumes, kids costumes. And on the wall
was a sign. It said mostly ghostly.
I just stared at it. What a great title
for a book series. And that became that
became a book series. I I it came from a
wall in Walmart. That's where the idea
came from. Mostly ghostly.
Sometimes you might want to start with a
topic,
not start with a title, not start with
an idea, not start I, you know, I have
to write just about every year I have to
write a Halloween book.
So I find myself I've done, you know,
I've done a lot of Halloween books. I've
done haunted pumpkins and haunted houses
and haunted masks and haunted costumes
and I've done
um creatures from outer space coming
down at Halloween time. I've done all
every Halloween day. But you know, so
but when I want to think of how to do
that, I sit down and say, "Oh, another
Halloween book. Okay, Halloween. What is
it?" Um trickor treat. They trick or
what is going to happen? everyone's in
costume trick or treat or some some
summers they'll say well we need a
summer camp book
okay we need a camp book so but this is
a good way to you know to narrow your
thinking down and say okay I'm going to
do a camp book now what is there about
camp that would be scary or what is
there about camp that would be fun for
kids and of course there's a lot
uh the camp first camp book I ever wrote
was called Welcome to Camp Nightmare and
it was based on my son's camp because I
hated his camp. It was terrible. It was
a real low rent camp. They had like one
leaky canoe and they had archery had
archery but they had one arrow so you'd
shoot the arrow and then you'd have to
chase it into the woods and and bring it
back. He loved it of course but I turned
that into welcome to camp nightmare. But
uh and that that just started the whole
book came about because I wanted to
write a camp book and you know there are
all these other topics you can just
figure out a topic and then start
thinking about that. It's another way of
thinking about getting ideas.
You don't need a dozen ideas.
You don't I I've seen other authors talk
about how they keep a card file with
ideas or they keep I don't carry a
notebook around. I don't I I I do one
idea at a time. I only do one I do one
book at a time and I don't think about
the others. You know what else is coming
up. I you you don't need five ideas or
you don't need a whole book of ideas.
You only need one idea. You just need
one story. So I if I get an idea, I'm
thrilled. I just I remember it. I go
home. I start making notes about it. But
I don't keep a notebook of ideas or I
have nothing in advance. Nothing. Also,
I think that's one way, you know, keep
things fresh.
Let's talk a little bit about how you
get to the point of developing your
outline, how you go from idea to
outline. I did a a Goosebumps book that
people don't mention that much, but it's
actually one of my favorites. It's
called Attack of the Mutant
and it's about a boy who is a comic book
fan and there's a superhero that he
really likes. He is named the Masked
Mutant
and one day he's reading the comic book
and he finds that he's in it. He's a
character in the comic book
and he's just he can't believe what's
going on here. why is he a character in
the comic book? And he goes, it the
comic book is printed. It's made in his
hometown. And so he works up his courage
and he takes the bus to the comic book
company. And when he walks in, he walks
through this light beam that's red,
blue, and yellow. And it zaps him. and
he's then he's in the comic book. He's
in a comic book world and he's suddenly
he's the sidekick to this hero that he's
read about and now here he is trapped in
another world which is really exciting
to him but horrifying and he's in
horrible danger. How could this happen
to him? And this story just started. I I
love comic books. I when especially when
I was a kid and was just thinking about
comic books. I hadn't done a goosebumps
about comic books and I had the title
Attack of the Mutant and I just the very
first thing I thought was what if you're
reading something and you find that
you're in it. That was the start. So I
write that down. And then I had some
scenes of what the superhero would be
like, what what what his powers would be
or what he would look like or and so I
wrote that down. That was next. And then
I had to figure out a villain. Who is
the archeneemy? Who is the villain here?
And I wrote that down and just just I'm
just thinking thinking and no story yet.
No story at all. just trying to get
these basic ideas, figuring out what's
the conflict here and then h then I had
to figure before I even started outline
how do I get the boy out of the jam
what's the big what's the ending here
and then I had so I had like couple
pages written written just a couple
pages of ideas and then then I go to the
outline and then I start to write I have
basic scenes I have a basic idea of the
story and I have what the characters are
basically and then I can I can really
start to plot it.
The outline is usually 15 to 20 pages
long and it's very complete because I
know the more complete I make the
outline, the easier it will be when I
start to write the book. And so I spend
at least a week on the outline, making
sure the story makes sense, making sure
I track the characters all the way
through, making sure I have good chapter
endings, making sure the surprises are
there, that there's a good middle, the
middle of the book doesn't sag. Um, I go
over and over the outline. The hardest
thing when you you sit down to write a
book is is the plot is making it hang
together. Is making it interesting all
the way through. And an outline allows
you to see what you have and to know
where you're going. You may not you may
hate it. You may hate the whole thing. I
say I had a writer friend who did teen
horror and she said,"I don't want to
know what happens to my characters when
they turn the corner. I want to be
surprised.
And I just I never buy that. I a lot of
authors in interviews, they always say,
I wait for my characters to tell me what
to do. I always think that's just that's
garbage. That's ridiculous. Say, "Oh, I
wait for my characters will tell me
which one of them will be the main
character, and my characters will tell
me the plot." And and I I never buy
that. I just think that's like phony
interview stuff that you say because you
have to you have to be in control.
You're you're creating this world and
creating these people. And for me to be
able to sit down and just do the create
the story, create the story and have it
in front of me when before I start to
write is totally useful. Then I can sit
down and just relax and write. I don't
have to think hardly because I've done
all the thinking. I've done all the hard
part. And that's that's why I can write
so many books, I think. I mean, I don't
like outlining either, but now I can't
work without one. I have to have it. And
it I have my whole plan and I sit down
and enjoy the writing.
I was in a school once and I answering
kids questions and generally kids
questions are are the same every
everywhere I go. What's your favorite
book you've written? What's what's your
scariest book? You know, where do you
get your ideas? And but a kid raised his
hand and he said, "Would you say your
books are plot driven or character
driven?" And I sort of stood there. I
was a little stunned because no one had
ever asked me that before. But I
realized that my you my these books, the
Goosebumps books and the Fear Street
books and most all the books I write are
all plot driven. They're all just, you
know, what happens next? What happens
next? And um that's but that's that's
the style of it. I think if you want to
write a page turner, there's certain
rules you you you have to follow. Well,
and one I think you have they have to be
fun. They have to be fun to read. Fun.
It's a really important part. And there
have to be fun kids in them if you want
people to read them through. There have
to be funny things that happen, funny
conflicts, funny fun things. I I think
that's one thing. And then the rest of
it is technical. um short chapters,
easy to read words, quick plot driven
stories that that that keeps them going.
Um in my books, the chapter endings, the
cliffhers, a lot of cliffhers, a lot of
just impetus to keep reading, keep
reading. You need enough stories so that
the kids while they're reading, they're
saying, "What happens next?" That's the
big question. What happens next? You
want them to want to ask that question.
They have to know what happens next.
Then if if you can do that, if you can
create something where they're saying
they're turning the pages, what
happened? I got to know what happens
next. Um that's the key to this. I think
the Goosebump stories are more adventure
than horror really. It's kids who are
out of the house. They're out at night.
They're they're having adventures. And
there are some Goosebumps books that
aren't pretty much aren't that are
adventure books. The deep trouble books.
Billy Deep and his sister who are out on
their uncle's marine lab out on the
ship, out on the ocean, and they have
adventures with all kinds of sea
creatures. Those are basically adventure
books. And then there's some that are
pirate books that are just adventure.
They're not really they're not horror
books. Um, and so I they're books that I
just consider as advent adventure books.
A good adventure is like any other book.
It's where the kids are in danger. They
have a mission. They have something they
have to do, but someone is trying to
keep them from achieving their mission.
Someone is after them. Someone's trying
to hurt them. They've got to do what the
whatever the mission is. They have to
find the missing jewel. They have to
find something and keep themselves safe.
Once I have the scenes in my head and
I'm ready to start my outline, I try to
figure out the ending. I always try to
get the ending first if I can. Sometimes
you can't do it, but this is just a
trick. If you have the ending, if I know
what the big surprise at the end, the
big finish, I know what's going to
happen. Then when I go back and start
writing my outline,
I can make sure that I keep the reader
from guessing the ending. I know what
the ending is and I can keep them away
from it. I can deliberately move them in
a different direction. Move them in this
direction, then move them in that
direction. And so that the ending is a
huge surprise. And it's just easier to
write it. If I know what the ending is,
then it's easier to go back from the
very beginning and fool them. It's it's
just it's a trick. That's all it is.
Kids will not accept an unhappy ending
to these kinds of horror novels.
I once um just for fun, I wrote a Fear
Street book
and I had a I put an unhappy ending on
it. And in the very end, the good girl
is taken away as a murderer
and the girl who committed the murder
gets off scot-free and she's fine. I
just did it for fun. I just I have never
done it before to see what happened.
this. The kids turned on me immediately.
It was a huge mistake and I started
getting letters right away. Dear RL
Stein, you [ __ ] Dear RL Stein, how
could you do that? You idiot. Are you
going to write a sequel to finish the
story? They could not accept an unhappy
ending. And I would go to schools. I'd
visit schools and every time someone
would raise their hand and say, "Are you
going to finish that book? Why did you
write that? Why did you do that?
Everywhere I went, it haunted me. And I
actually had to write a sequel to put a
happy ending on it. The readers of Fear
Street and Goosebumps like a happy
ending because they've been through all
this trouble. They've been through all
these monsters and horrible things and
they've been chased and they've had all
these creepy, terrible adventures and
they want relief from it. They want to
and you know my my books are they're
like a roller coaster ride really and
kids who like roller coasters but they
like these books because they know like
a roller coaster kids know what to
expect when they read a Goosebumps book.
They know they're going to get on. It's
going to be a very fast ride. There's
going to be a lot of turns, a lot of
twists, a lot of turning around, a lot
of screaming. and then it's going to let
them off. Okay. And I think like a
roller coaster, that's what they want in
these books. What I try to do is I give
it a good happy ending. Every book has
to have a happy ending. And then I throw
in like a little twist at the end. Just
something that's a little odd. And I I
the one that comes to mind right now is
from Stay Out of the Basement. Um the
very second Goosebumps book. And it's a
book about these two kids are horrified
because they learn that dad, who's been
down in the basement all the time, is
turning into a plant. And now they have
their real father is is here and the
plant father is here. And they have to
decide which is which. And there's a big
finish of surprise ending. They figure
it out which one. The plant father is
destroyed. The real father is back.
Hugs. Lots of hugs. Everyone is happy
and you have your happy ending to the
book. The two kids walk out of the house
and the flowers in the backyard start
talking to them.
So that's that's what a surprise ending
is. You have your big happy ending,
everything's nice, and then something
right at the end says, "Wait a minute,
kids. You're not out of it yet.
Where did I learn the value of a
cliffhanger?
Well, I have to say I learned it when I
was a kid, a little kid. My brother and
I
shared a room. We were My family was
very poor and we lived in a tiny little
house like three doors from the railroad
tracks. And my dad finished the upstairs
for us. And that was Bill. Bill and me.
We shared this very narrow room, long
room. And we had twin beds on each side.
And at night, Bill and I, we just got
into the habit of telling each other
scary stories. We would try to scare
each other. And I was, I don't know, I
was nine, maybe. He would be six or
seven. He was three years younger than
me. Every night we would like tell scary
stories to each other. But I loved
being the older one. I loved torturing
him. Loved it. And anyway, we would tell
these scary stories. But I had this
great idea. I was this kid and I would
say um I would tell this thing and I'd
say and the ghost crept into the room.
The ghost came closer and closer and uh
I'll finish it tomorrow night, Bill.
That's it for tonight. And he'd say,
"No, finish the story. Finish." I say,
"No, I'm going to sleep. I'm going to
sleep. No, forget it." And I would keep
him waiting till the next day. And I
think this was like the beginning. I was
like 10 years old, right? And already I
was doing cliffhanger. I was doing
chapter endings. And I was just it was
driving him crazy. I would get such a
good reaction that I kept doing it. And
now I I'm still doing it. In my books,
every chapter has a has a cliffhanger
ending. Every single chapter, there's
some shock at the end. There's something
hang that leaves you hanging. I mean,
that's what a cliffhanger is. It leaves
you hanging off a cliff. You're you're
stranded in space and you you don't know
are you going to survive? Are you going
to make it? You have to go on to the
next chapter. Now, a lot of writers
think this is a really cheap trick. They
think it's what a cheap gimmick to end
every chapter with a cliffhanger. But,
you know, my idea is to get kids reading
and to keep them reading. And this is a
trick. It is a trick. I don't know if
it's a cheap trick, but it's a trick.
And they have to go on to the next
chapter. And I love it when parents tell
me, "Oh, my kids start reading." And I
say, "You have to go to bed." And they
say, "One more chapter, please. one more
chapter, but but then they get to the
next cliffhanger and they have to go on.
For me, these cliffhanger chapter
endings are just as important as
anything else in the book. I it's I
spend so much time and I I get from my
editors when it comes back many of the
comments are about the chapter endings
and they'll say you have too many
chapter endings that are similar or
that's not scary enough or your your
cliffhers are boring that's that's too
boring or you've done that it's it's
become a really hard part and now of
course now that I've written over a
hundred Goosebumps books it's The real
the challenge for me is to come up with
new cliffhers. How do you come up with
new, you know, you can't just have
someone grabs her from behind and she
screams. I've got to find new things to
keep them moving on to the next chapter.
But I and it's something I spend a lot
of time on. I don't but I don't think I
can explain how you do it. I it's just a
matter of leaving the reader in
suspense, doing something, having
something big happen, something that
maybe maybe it's a surprise, maybe it's
not that big a surprise, but it leaves
them hanging and they have to go on and
read the next chapter.
The haunted mask, I think, is my best
Halloween story out of all of them. And
here, but here is a very typical
cliffhanger. It's it's very cheap. Very
cheap trick. And I've probably done it a
hund in a hundred different chapters,
but I think it really does keep reading.
And Carly Beth is wearing the haunted
mask. It's stuck to her face and it's
turned her really evil and she can't do
anything about it. And now she's done
something to her friends and now she's
running. She's running uh running wildly
over the front lawns, jumping over
shrubs and hedges, flying over the dark
hard ground. She was running blindly,
the houses worring past on both sides.
She's out of control now. Carly Beth.
The blustery wind swirled,
and she swirled with it, rising over the
sidewalks, rushing through tall weeds,
blowing with the wind like a helpless
leaf, holding her bulging candy bag. She
ran past startled trick-or-treaters,
past glowing pumpkins, past rattling
skeletons. She ran until her breath gave
out. Then she stopped panting loudly and
shut her eyes, waiting for her heart to
stop pounding, for the blood to stop
pulsing at her temples. And a hand
grabbed her shoulder roughly from
behind.
And that's the chapter ending.
That's it. So you have who? Why? What?
Who grabbed her from behind? You have to
read on to the next chapter. You have
her panic here, her total panic, out of
control, blowing like a leaf in the
wind. And then something grabs her and
it turns out to be her best friend
Sabrina.
It's it's all it's a tease. It's not a
real scare. And about half the half the
cliffhers are teases and half of them
are real scares. And but it it's the
trick I use to keep kids reading.
Too many children's books, YA books,
middle-grade books are too linear and
they become predictable. They they may
be beautifully written and great
characterization,
but they just move along. They move
along, move along. They're just linear.
And I think one reason that my books
have lasted so long, I mean, here's
Goosebumps 25 years later and Fear
Street, which is even older. But it's
the surprises in the books and it's the
twists and it's the fact that they're
not linear that they'll turn around and
suddenly they'll be going in a different
direction and they'll come back and they
and there'll be something that kids
haven't guessed. It it sort of plays
with their minds. The books are a tease.
They're a real tease because they're not
that scary really. But the it's it's the
teasing part. It's the joking part.
That's the surprising part that I think
keep kids reading these books. I did a
book called My Hairiest Adventure.
It's a Goosebumps book. And in the
beginning of the book, these kids are in
a garage and they find an old bottle of
suntan lotion and they all splash it on.
They all want tans. They splash on this
thing.
And then a short while later, the main
character looks down and he's growing
hair. He's got hair growing and he's he
quickly shaves it off. He say he doesn't
want anyone to see. He doesn't know
what's happening. And then he goes to
see one of his friends and his friend is
gone. his friend isn't there and no one
wants to talk about it and no one his
friends are disappearing for the kids
who are in the garage and he's got more
hair growing on him more hair growing
and his parents finally he has to let
him know he's he's growing hairy and
they is take they take him to a doctor
and he he's gets these shots and this is
this is one of my best twists I think
this is like no I don't think kids are
going to guess this the he's not a boy.
He's actually a dog and he's reverting
back to his dogness. And all these
parents were in on it where they took
these dogs and gave them shots that
turned them into kids, but it's all
wearing off and he's actually a dog. And
to me, you know, I I think kids are
they're shocked by this. It's got you
you got a great surprise here. Oh, wait,
wait a minute. Wait a minute. And then
he's looking at his sister and his
sister has eyes just like the family cat
and he's wondering what what is his
sister really at the end. So is you got
twist after twist on that. And I just I
think this this is especially writing
thrillers or writing horror. I think
this is really important for kids
writing. I try to have at least two or
three twists in the book at least. I
would love to even do more, but then it
might get crazy. But I I like to have
right in the middle of the book, I like
to have a moment where the reader says,
"Oh my gosh, I Oh, I had no idea. I Oh,
I I'm, you know, totally shocked because
the whole book is suddenly turned around
and no one is who they thought they
were." And I try to do that in every
book.
To me, the middle of the book is the
hardest part. It's It's great. You get
started, you know your beginning. You
can get a really It's very easy to get a
very good beginning for a book. And you
can figure out a good end. You know your
end. You get a good finish. You know
what the big surprise, what the action's
going to be, how it's going to end. But
getting getting to the end is hard.
Getting through the middle, you've got
to have a lot of story. You can't just
try to get there. You can't. You've got
to have a lot going on. There's got to
be a lot of twists. It's got to turn.
It's got to move. The middle has got to
carry them through. The middle is, for
one thing, it's the longest part of the
book.
And so, I spend a lot of lot of time
working on the middle, making sure the
middle is good. Sometimes I will write
an outline and have something in the
very middle and it turns out that he's
actually a werewolf. He's not a a normal
kid. Something like that. And uh it'll
come back from my editors and they'll
say, "Oh, we guessed that in chapter 2.
You got to work on that. We guessed it
already."
And so it's hard. It's hard to you've
got to come up with a way to either keep
that same twist and go back to the m
beginning. Go back to the beginning and
figure out how to keep them from
guessing it. How to make it not obvious.
There was one great line in the
Goosebumps movie that I really loved. I
didn't write it. Jack Black is me at the
end of the movie and he's a teacher.
He's teaching and he said, "I'm going to
teach you about writing. We're going to
learn about how to every how to write.
Every book has a beginning, a middle,
and a twist. And I just I think that's
great.
I always try to put in a lot of false
leads in the books. It's very important
to mislead the kids and I try really
hard to fool the kids. And one of the
best ways to do that is to put somebody
in the book to some character that
everyone is going to think is evil.
Everyone. And that they're going to be
very some guy lurking around. They're
going to be terribly afraid of him. And
then the big surprise then halfway
through the book you say, "Oh," he says,
"Yes, I'm with the FBI. I've been
investigating this monster. you're
after. I'm not the monster. I'm I'm
Yeah. And it's just it's a red herring.
It's it's just the character is just
there to lead the reader off the path.
The teenager who you think is behind all
the trouble and the teenager who you
think is the one who's torturing the
girl who is is going to be the one who's
not and in Fierce Street especially, it
turns out to be your best friend. the
books are a cheat and that's deliberate
and that generally there are no clues as
to the surprises that are coming. I
don't want to I don't want them guess
and I want to be so careful that they
don't guess that the gorilla is actually
not a gorilla, it's actually a chicken
or whatever that I I don't plant to be
in in mysteries, adult mysteries to be
fair, you have to plant clues. You have
to be fair with the reader. Um so that
when they get to the solution of the
mystery, they say, "Oh, I should have
seen that. I should have seen that
coming. I didn't guess. But I don't do
that. I don't give them a clue.
Cell phones have ruined just about every
mystery plot. And this is another real
problem for writers who want to write
mysteries or horror. How do you get rid
of the cell phones? Get them out of
there. Um, in the old days I'd write a a
Fear Street plot where a teenage girl is
getting these phone calls. She's getting
these threatening phone calls. She said,
"Who is this? Who is this?" Now she
looks on the dial, she sees who it is,
and the book is over. You can't That's
it. The cell phone's ruined everything.
Now we've got kids trapped in a cabin.
They're trapped in a woods with a
murderer. They pick up their phone. Hi,
bring help, please. There's a murderer
in the woods, right? The book, that's
it. Cell phones ruin ruin every story.
So, this is these kinds of things, you
know, think it's funny, but you've got
to think about it. I I did a Fear Street
book recently, a new Fear Street book
called Party Games where there uh uh one
of the Fear Kids has a birthday party on
Fear Island and invites everyone in the
winter to his summer house and they're
on this deserted island. And the very
first thing he does when they arrive on
the island is he collects all the cell
phones and says, "We're not we're going
to have a non- cellphone weekend. it's
going to be great. And he takes all
their phones away. And that's how I
dealt with it.
I put two outlines online on masterclass
resources for you to download and
compare. One is the first outline of I'm
Slappy's Evil Twin, which was rejected
by my editors. And then the second one
is the one that they accepted and the
one I wrote the book from. And you will
see quite a difference between the first
version of the outline and the second
version because the first outline was
totally rejected by my editors. If you
look at them, you'll see that in the
first outline, it's supposed to be a
slappy book, but Slappy doesn't appear
until chapter 13. And this was a real
problem. They said, "How how can you do
a slappy book when he isn't there? He
doesn't even appear till nearly, you
know, twothirds of the way through the
book.
I was trying something a little
different, but they hated it. So, I you
will see in the second outline that we
have a prologue and then Slappy appears
in chapter 1 and Slappy and his twin
both appear in chapter 1 and the book
gets off to a really fast start. I'm
going to read uh the first three
chapters of the second outline. This is
actually like a 12page outline. And this
is the prologue. The book has a prologue
that happens before the story actually
starts. And I'm just going to read the
read it to you and you can see just I
think this gives you a better idea of
how how the outline thing works. This is
chapter one of the prologue. 1920 a farm
village puppeteer France Mayahar working
in his workshop finishing a
ventriloquist dummy you were made of the
finest coffinwood and I've given you the
dark powers I learned on my tour of
Europe someone will pay a million
dollars for you when they learned of the
abilities and powers I have given you so
you see I put dialogue it's it's not
just action in the outline there's also
dialogue
And of course, when I go to write the
book, there'll be a lot more. There'll
be it it'll be stretched out. This just
gives me an idea of where I'm going. But
wait, a pounding on the door. Who is
beating on the door like that? Mayhar
opens the door to find the entire
village storming his cabin. They carry
guns and torches. What do they want? End
of chapter. Here he's in this bad
situation. and he's got these menacing
villagers outside and the chapter ends.
So you pretty much that's the
cliffhanger for this first chapter
two. They angrily accuse him of bringing
bad luck to the village. The crops have
withered and died and the cows are all
giving sour milk. It's the doll, they
cry. Look at that evil face. The doll
has brought evil and bad fortune to our
village. They grab the dummy. Mayhart
pleads with them. No, it's my life's
work. I beg you. But the villagers build
a tall bonfire and they burn the dummy.
As the flames consume it, a scream of
pain and horror rings out over the
village. End of the chapter.
Chapter 3. The scream came for Mayar as
he watched his dummy burn. The villagers
warn him to stop his evil work. My work
is over, he tells them, appearing to be
a broken man. You have destroyed my
life's work.
Mayor slinks back to his workshop. The
fools, the stupid fools, he mutters
bitterly. Did they really think I'd give
up my precious dummies so easily? They
burned one of Mayhar's copies, a fake.
He has two dummies on the shelf. He
picks one up. They burned a fake, a
useless, lifeless hunk of wood, he tells
it. He and the two dummies toss back
their heads and laugh.
And that's the end of the prologue. And
that's, you know,
those are the three chapters. And those
chapters each become five or six pages
long. But you see, I I think one reason
that I read this prologue and that I
like it is that you get your very first
twist right in the beginning of the book
because here's Mayhar and you think he's
ruined and he screams in horror and he's
says, "You've ruined my life's work. I'm
over. I'm finished." And he's he's
actually playing them. It's that and
that is a very first twist and it's
right in chapter three already and he
knew what he was doing the whole time.
And the kids reading the book, people
reading the book know that one of those
dummies has to be Slappy. And because
the book is called I'm Slappy's evil
twin, the other one has to be Slappy's
twin. So we've established what's going
to happen later on.
By the way, I this it's a scene out of
Frankenstein where the villagers with
their torches come up and bang on the
door and bang on the door and invade the
house. Um, that was my reference for
that. But the outline is the hardest
part of the process. Of course, the
outline allows you to have fun writing
because you've done the hard part. And
each time I then I revise the outline,
it gets better. I've done I've done some
books where I've done maybe three four
outlines before I started to write and
but I could see the book getting each
time it's better. It's better. It's
better. It's it's I hate this part but I
know I see it getting better and
especially when I've written three or
four outlines sometimes I'll call my
editor and I'll say um have I written
this book yet? I forget whether I am I
just outlining or maybe I've written I
feel like I've written the book already
since I've done so many outlines but it
it's a it's a struggle but it's always
worth it
when you have an outline that you like
and it really would be good to share it
if you don't have an editor to show it
to somebody and get you know someone you
trust and someone who likes to
That's really very helpful if you don't
have editors yet. Um, and have them
comment and say, "Do they think the
pacing is right? Do they think there's
enough adventure? Is there enough plot
in the story to keep people reading?"
It' be nice to get other people's
advice. Um, if you then find you you
have an outline, you like it, you think
it's ready to go, you you're going to
find out when you're writing the book if
it's a good outline or not. Once you
start writing, you're going to have a
feel. You're going to write your first
chapter. You're going to get into it and
you're going to have a feeling that it's
going really well. Oh, this is good. I'm
the plan is right. Or while you're
actually writing that, you might find,
gee, this is it went too far here. I'm
got to pull back or go this chapter is
boring this outline and you want to you
probably want to depart from the
outline. Um, that's how you find out
really whether an outline works or
I love the idea that people can turn to
books for just for entertainment and
nothing else.
And so I have um in Goosebumps or Fear
Street, there's nothing you can learn.
There's no moral lesson. People always
say, "What are the morals that you're
teaching? What are the There aren't any.
There are none. The main moral lesson is
run. Run as fast as you can. That's it."
Because I just I don't want that. I You
know, adults have the right, they give
themselves the right to read all kinds
of trash, right? And adults can read
entertaining, you know, magazines, but
somehow they think when it comes to kids
reading that the kids have to be
elevated by what they read.
There was always um a rule in children's
publishing that the characters in a
children's book have to learn and grow.
And I just rejected that idea. And I
thought if adults can read something
just for fun with nothing else, no
socially redeeming value whatsoever,
kids, kids have the same right. And
you're competing now. If you're writing
books for kids, you're competing with so
many other things with, you know,
tablets and phones and video games. And
there's such competition. You've got to
really work to get kids to read now. And
you've got to create something that
they'll think, "Oh, this is just as much
fun as watching something." People
always say, "Why do you write these
scary books, you know, if I'm in a crowd
you speaking or something?" And I always
say, "Well, I just like to scare kids."
But that's not that's not really what
the books are about. They're about
getting kids to read. Believe me,
there's nothing more satisfying to me
than these parents who come up to me all
the time and say, "My son never read a
book before. Last night I caught him in
the middle of the night under the covers
reading one of your books with a
flashlight." And I never get tired of
stories like that. And wherever I go, I
get these stories of my kid learned to
read on your books or my kid learned to
like books from from yours. And that's
that's the whole point of it. It's not I
don't really want to terrify kids.
Some of you may be thinking of writing
for kids. You you might be starting to
think about your audience. Um you know
ju generally there's middle grade which
is generally 7 to 11 maybe 7 to 12 I
lose readers at 12 they move on to other
authors and then there's you know young
adult which is very popular now um the
YA books are generally read uh maybe
kids starting at 11 or 12 and then up to
15. And the interesting thing about a
young adult these days is that 40%
of the young adult novels are read by
adult women. Adults read them. So that's
something to really keep in mind if you
want if you're going to write teen
books. Um that there's a giant adult
adult readership now which is didn't
used to happen in the past. You know, I
write for both. Uh, and I you have to
kind of know what age you have to start
with the age of the characters. And if
you write you kids like to read about
kids who are a little bit older than
them
and so not younger
and so kids in Goosebumps, they're all
12 years old. everyone's 12 years old
because the readers are mostly younger
than 12. So, they're going to be really
interested in in that. Um, for young
adult, there's much more of a range.
Generally, my young adult, my Fear
Street books, they're all 16 and 17,
18 occasionally.
This is very important to when you pick
an audience and to get to know them. And
you know, I do a million book signings
and I visit schools all the time so that
I can see what the kids look like. So I
can see who I'm writing for and then I
can remember that when I'm writing books
for them. When Goosebumps started, my
son was the right age and he and his
friends would be over all the time and I
could spy on them. I would listen to
what they said, listen to the, you know,
the things they the things they talked
about and I could watch and see what
they wear. And it's very important. I
for me, it's a big part of my job. It's
a big part of a writer's job to know
that audience and to you don't want to
sound like some old guy from Mars who
doesn't know anything. You really want
to be tuned in. And so I spent a lot of
time spying on kids. There are many ways
to get to know your audience. And once
you've chosen who you want to write for,
um, one way is to
actually see what you want to keep up
with their culture. Tune yourself in to
that group and really get to know them.
I'm very lucky since I get to do a lot
of school visits. I'm invited to a lot
of book festivals. So, I get to see kids
and I I spend a lot of time I take it
very seriously
um getting to know them and talking to
them um just so that my books seem real
and don't seem out of date. You have to
know teenagers
know pop culture. I try to keep up with
music. I try to keep up with what you
know what they watch on Netflix and try
to keep up with their culture. But you
have to be very careful about what you
include in your books because you don't
want to date your books.
When we were starting out Fear Street
and back in 1990, 1991, we're doing
these Fear Street books and I I was
looking at one the other day and it
said, uh, oh, we're going to a Rick
Ashley concert. Yes. Oh, Rick Ashley,
we're going I thought, who is that? What
was I thinking? Why? He made me 1990 and
that was it for Rick Ashley, right? And
now here he is in this book 20 years
later. It's a horrible mistake. You have
to be careful about that.
One thing I would like to help you with
is to decide what audience you would
like to write for. And I will tell you
right away, my audience is the best
audience in the world. the seven to 12
year old Goosebumps audience. They're
amazing. It's there's no better
audience. In fact, I cannot imagine why
anyone would want to write for adults. I
don't know why they would. I get them
the last time in their lives they will
ever be enthusiastic.
This is the last time 7 to 12 year olds
the last time they'll ever be
enthusiastic about authors, about books.
When they turn 12, they discover sex.
They totally change. They have to be
cool. They're lost forever. That's it.
But I get them right before then. And
they are a wonderful audience. They want
to know you. They want to know all about
you. They want to live in the Goosebumps
world. They want book after book. And
they're just terrific. I'm going to read
a few letters to you. These are all real
letters from kids. and you'll see just
how terrific these kids are.
These are real letters that I've
collected over the years from mostly
from Goosebumps readers.
Dear RL Stein, I love your books. You're
like the scariest man on earth. I want
to know everything about you. Do you
have hair?
Love Grace?
I don't know. Dear RL Dear Relstein,
I don't know if you remember me or not,
but when you came to my school, I'm the
one who stepped on your foot.
I do remember that kid.
Here's a great letter. Dear RL Stein,
you are my second favorite author.
That was the whole letter. That was it.
Talk about keeping you in suspense.
Dear RL Stein, I'm not that smart, but I
like your books.
I guess that's a compliment, right?
Here's a very odd one. Dear RL Stein,
I'm your biggest fan. I read your book
so much I need my parents to escort me
to the bathroom.
I don't really get that one. I don't
know. And here is my all-time favorite
letter over all the years. This is my
favorite letter from a kid. It's from a
boy. Dear RL Stein, I've read 40 of your
books and I think they're really boring.
Perfect letter, right?
I work very hard to make sure that the
books are appropriate.
I mean, I'm doing horror, so it's got to
be scary. It's got to be creepy. But I
hate it when parents come up to me and
I'm doing a book signing and they say,
"Oh, you gave my kid nightmares.
You gave them nightmares for weeks. They
had to sleep with us. You I hate that.
It's not It's not what I want to do at
all. In fact, I a woman wrote to me once
with the perfect line. It was like the
perfect letter. She wrote and she said,
"Um, I love your books for my kids
because they give them shuddters but not
nightmares." And that that's what I try
to do. I did a um a Goosebumps book
called The Girl Who Cried Monster.
And it's about a girl who uh goes to the
library and she knows that the librarian
is a monster. She's watching from the
stacks and no one no one this the story
is sort of the girl who cried wolf
because no one will believe her. No one
believes her and then one she knows the
the librarian's a monster and then one
day she's back in the shelves and
watching and in the original version of
the manuscript the librarian eats a kid.
So I handed this book in and they said,
"Bob, we're not having a kid eaten. The
librarian cannot eat a kid." This is one
place where I may one of the few times
where I went too far. They said, "That's
just we don't have kids eating." So I
said, "Okay." So I took that out and I
put a large bowl of live turtles on the
librarian's desk
instead of the kid.
And every once in a while, the librarian
would reach over and take a pick up a
turtle and put it in his mouth and
crunch it up. And that was my solution
to, you know, having gone too far. And
it actually it was better, I think,
because turtles are crunchier,
right? It's very crunchy and a great
graphic, great, you know, image for a
monster. So, you have to be careful when
you're writing for middle grade. Well,
look at Goosebumps. Um, no one ever
dies. There are no guns.
No one ever dies. If there's a ghost, it
happened a long time before the story
started. Um, the real world is pretty
much kept out. That That's my one rule.
My big rule for writing middle-grade
horror is that they have to know it's a
fantasy. They have to the reader has to
know this couldn't happen. Couldn't
really happen. It's all just a story.
And once they know that, if they know,
you know, if you've established that and
you've written it in a way they know
that it couldn't happen, then you can go
pretty far. You can go pretty far with
the scares.
Writing for teens is kind of the
opposite. It has to be very real or
they're not going to buy it. every the
details have to be real. And I kill I do
in Fear Street kill off a lot of
teenagers. So, we do that. But, um
the it's sort of the opposite of the
middle-grade books because every detail
it has to be so real. They have to
believe it. They have to believe this is
happening. This is happening. it had if
it's phony, if it's goes too far, if
it's they're not they're just not going
to buy it. In the early days of Fear
Street, I got criticized a lot for
having violence
in these books where kids there was be
fighting and there'd be a lot of
violence. And I always say that there's
kids are really smart. That's one thing
I've learned 40 years of writing for
kids that kids are really smart. And
there's a very big difference between
reading violence. You see read a thing a
scene in a book and it's exciting. It's,
you know,
horrifying maybe.
And then if you walk outside and you
walk down the street and there's a fist
fight going on, that's a totally
different thing. And it gives you a to
that's too real. That's that's
frightening. That's real world
frightening. Someone's fighting,
something's happening on the street, and
it gives kids a total different feeling.
They have a total different feeling from
reading about a fight or and from seeing
a real fight.
Kids have very violent feelings. When
kids write horror stories, for me, there
there'll be a contest or something and
kids will write horror stories. They're
so much more violent than my books.
They're so much more gruesome than what
I write. It It's amazing. Is it
cathartic for kids to read these books?
Well, I will tell you I I have one
example. I only have one. I think I well
my personally I think it is. Every book
is kids standing up to their fears.
Every single one. And every book has a
happy ending. They always win. they
always triumph
and so in that way I do think the books
are cathartic. Um I was talking to a
child psychologist in Los Angeles
and he had a patient who ca a girl who
came in every week and just all she did
was recite the plot to a Fear Street
novel. She would just tell him the plot
of the Fear Street novel that she had
read that week. And he said that it was
really helping her quite a lot, that she
had was very troubled and that these
having these experiences and going
through this scary stuff and reading
about other kids having these scary
adventures was really helping her. I
think it's a healthy outlet. And I think
people who say, "Oh, the violence on in
these games or the violence in in the
books is can lead to I don't believe
that at all. I don't believe that at
all. Kids have angry feelings. They have
things the things to get out. They got a
lot of energy and um I think it's very
healthy to read something that's
harmless and has a happy ending and
works out fine. You know what one secret
of Goosebumps I think and I never talk
about this very much is that we have all
these monsters in Goosebumps. These
horrible monsters, angry monsters. And I
think one reason, we never talk about
this. One reason kids like Goosebumps so
much is that they identify with the
monsters,
not the protagonists.
I think they identify with these raging
creatures because they all feel out of
control at sometimes. They have feel the
anger and I think they I think they
identify with the monsters.
When I'm writing the books, I think
about the age of the audience constantly
and I keep pictures in my mind of what
the audience looks like. If I'm writing
a young adult, I try to see an 17, 18
year old person I or younger, a little
younger, I try to for middle grade, I
try to picture those kids and it helps
me as I'm writing. But if you're
developing, if you're just developing
your style and you want you're trying to
figure out um vocabulary level for what
you write, how how far you can go, the
best way is to read read
what's out there and read what's selling
and
you will you'll pick up all these style
tips and you'll see what authors are
doing and you will by osmosis you will
get a thought of it, but it's also
really informative. When I was an editor
at Scholastic,
I was given a magazine to edit. It was a
social studies magazine. It was for
junior high kids, seventh and eighth
graders who read at a fourth grade
reading level.
So, I had to write a magazine that had
the interest level of seventh and eighth
graders. It would keep them interested,
but the reading level had to be fourth
grade. And there are all these systems
and I I had to learn there was a Dalech
system of grades, what writing grades
you write for. And I had to learn to
write for fourth grade level and fifth
grade level and what the vocabulary was
for both. And at the time it was kind of
annoying. I didn't, you know, I didn't I
I wanted to do this magazine, but it was
kind of a chore to figure out what the
vocabulary was for fifth grade or fourth
grade. But then when I started
Goosebumps, it came in so handy because
I wanted to be I want to keep it simple
and I want Goosebumps to be on a fifth
grade reading level and I know how to do
that from from learning that. And
that's, you know, that's a very
important part of of the style of the
books is that the reading level is
pretty much straight fifth grade reading
level. Here's my big secret.
I never challenge them in reading.
There's nothing challenging. There's no
hard vocabulary word, no new vocabulary
words to learn. They don't have to learn
new words. There's nothing that
challenges to keep them from reading on
and on and on. It's so simple and so
short sentences,
easy to read words, short chapters,
and that's my writing style.
Questions I get all the time are, "How
far can you go? What can you do in
Hawaii? What's the language? Can you use
bad language in YA? Can you have real
sex? Can you have sex scenes in YA? Now,
and the way to figure out what you want
to do is to read read the books. Read
what's out there. Read what's popular.
It's easy to see the bestseller list and
see see what people are reading, how far
book some people go farther than others,
some don't. But as far as figuring out
what kids will read, the best way to do
it is not to just start writing and
experimenting is to is to read
read a lot of the stuff and see what's
going on. These are older readers and
they demand more detail. They demand
more characterization.
They it has to be real. If if I'm going
to scare someone who's 14, 15 years old,
I have to really build up the world and
build up the details. It has to be and I
have to bring in real world things that
I wouldn't do in a middle-grade book. In
Fear Street, there's a lot of heavy
kissing. That's as far as I go. A lot of
my authors go farther, but I I don't do
it. I that's I'm it's not what I'm
interested in. But the dialogue has to
be very current and very real. And I do
have family problems. Kids whose uh
parents are out of work. I I do just
real problems that they're going to
know. Father loses his job. The kids are
desperate. They're thinking maybe
they'll rob a store or something. Um, it
has to be real uh in order otherwise it
it's just going to be silly to
Here's an example of writing for
teenagers as opposed to writing middle
grade. And you'll see that the
characters are different. They're older.
There's more sophisticated.
This is from a book I wrote called A
Midsummer Night Scream. And you can see
the difference in the writing level
between a a middle-grade story and we
have these kids, these teenagers in a
car. Um, and it's takes place in the
1950s
and this is the very beginning of the
book. This is chapter one.
One hand on the wheel, one hand around
Darlene's shoulders, Tony pounded the
gas pedal, and the van roared over the
bumps and pits of the narrow dirt road.
So, we have a picture right away, a te
we have a teenage picture right away of
a guy driving one-handed with his arm
around a girl.
Leaning against the window on Darlene's
right, Sue gritted her teeth and
absorbed every jolt and jerk in silence.
Tony was driving too fast, trying to
impress Darlene, and Sue had to fight
down her fear. The van was roaring
through thick woods, and the overhanging
trees blocked the evening light, making
Sue feel as if the world had gone black
and white.
In the back seat, Randy, Brian, and
Cindy were singing a children's song,
singing and laughing at the same time.
Darlene shook her head. Sue covered her
ears. Sue was the shy one in the group
of friends. She appeared on edge with
them as if she'd love to be somewhere
else. The van hit a big stone and the
six kids flew up from their seats, their
heads thumping the ceiling. The wheel
spun wildly in Tony's hand. Sue and
Sydney screamed as they veered toward
the trees.
So, it gives you an idea of it's
fastpacing, but the vocabulary is higher
and than a a middle-grade book. And you
can you get these s you have six
characters right away and you pretty
much start to get an idea of what
they're like. The danger is very
believable. They're roaring down this
road. He's showing off. They're in a big
van. They hit a rock. It's nighttime.
They're in the middle of a forest. Uh
it's a a very real kind of uh uh
beginning.
Now, here's a little section from a
Goosebumps I wrote called Here Comes the
Shaggedy. And the Shaggedy is this
horrible swamp monster.
And I thought I would read this to you
because it's a an example of how you
could write a monster for middle grade,
how middle-grade kids will react to it,
and gives you a sort of an idea in
contrast to the teenage thing of the
different style that I would use for
middle grade and the different
vocabulary level. And I'm describing
this monster who comes popping up out of
the river. This horrible, hideous thing
comes up and staring at this brother and
sister and um but you can see the
different it's a different fright level
alto together I think uh its face was
blue and puffy its eyes were an eerie
yellow water rolled off its head its
bare shoulders the creature appeared to
grow taller as it rose in the water and
began to stomp toward the shore it
pulled a tangle of weeds from its long
sea green hair down past its shoulders.
Its mouth hung hung open in a silent
roar. A slender silvery fish slid out of
one of its nostrils and splashed into
the water. "Run, Kelly! Run!" Shawn
screamed. He spun away from the
terrifying creature, his shoes pounding
the soft ground. Kelly turned to run,
but then she stopped. She remembered
Ranger Saul's words. The shaggedy would
rise out of the water and do whatever
she asked it to do. She was the boss.
She was its master. She took a deep
breath and summoned all her courage. She
could still hear Sha's footsteps as he
ran away. But she was determined to
stay. I called it up. Now I will control
it.
Its bare chest was covered in thick
brown fur. Its arms were powerful and
long. Its massive hands hung below his
knees. Its legs were the size of tree
stumps.
It uttered a low grunt. So, you can see
how Goosebumps differs from Fear Street.
In Fear Street, you've got these six
teenagers in a van and they're in the
woods and they're they've hit a rock.
They're going to be lost in the woods.
It's very real. Here you have this
incredible monster, this hideous monster
rising up from out of nowhere. And maybe
it's going to obey Kelly. Maybe not. But
we know right away that it's silly. It
can't it can't really happen. And the
vocabulary is less the is lower. The
vocabulary level is lower in the
goosebumps book and the sentences are
shorter. This is sort of a rare example
that I picked uh because this is a third
it's written third person and I think
that has to do with the plot that has to
do with some surprises that come later.
But um even with the third person I
tried to get as close to Kelly as I
could try to get even third person try
to get right there so that she's seeing
the monster and smelling it and hearing
the sounds of it.
One of the decisions you have to make
when you're starting to write a book is
are you going to write it first person?
Is it going to be from the point of view
of your protagonist or are you going to
write it third person from the point of
view of the author? If you're interested
in writing horror, the secret to making
it scary is close point of view with
your main character.
I almost write all my books, almost all
of them are first person because it's so
much scarier to be in the protagonist's
head.
Everything that happens in the book,
your the main character sees. It's
everything she sees, everything she
hears, every smell, everything
everywhere she goes. It's you're right
with her.
It's such close such close point of
view. That's the whole secret of horror,
I think, is being able to do this close
point of view because then when
something har terrible happens, your
reader is the protagonist. your reader
is right with it and the reader is
experiencing this horror close up. The
closer you get to the character, the
better your scares will be and the
better your story will be. That's the
whole secret to being scary. That's it
in one sentence.
Close point of view. close point of view
with your main character.
When you're writing first person and
it's a point of view of the teenage girl
who's being terrified by something, you
have to be very careful to keep the
balance between what she's feeling and
what she's seeing
and what she's thinking. The one
advantage of first-person writing is
that you can write the thoughts of your
character. But you have to be real
careful. You can't overdo that. If
there's too much thinking in a book, it
slows it down. It It makes it tedious.
If the girl is thinking, um,
be braver, Julia. You got to be braver.
Go in there. I I'm I know I can do it.
You don't want that kind of thing. You
don't want that kind of thinking. You
don't want to put in too much thinking.
It's a real fine line. And it's a fine
line between what how she how scared she
is and what's scaring her. And that's
that's just takes experience, I think.
And you have to be careful. You you're
going to really describe what the scare
is and what what danger she is in. But
but you don't want to spend a whole lot
of time saying, "Oh, I'm so scared. Oh,
I'm you should know that from what's
going on." So you you've got to be very
careful of the balance between feelings
and actions.
Of
course, there are limitations to writing
for first person in that it's at some
point at sometimes you want to skip from
character to character. And this is why,
you know, most authors do a lot of third
person writing because you can't go,
it's very hard if you're a first person
with someone and then you want to tell
you want them not in the story. you want
to tell someone else's point of view,
it's very hard to switch over. And if
you're doing a whole book first person,
um it that can be confusing. You know,
Robert Grace writes these um the police
procedurals that are really excellent
and he has two characters and sometimes
both characters are in the same book and
he'll do one
character first person and then he'll do
the story with the other character third
person and then you can tell you can
tell the difference that way. It's it
helps you. It's I I don't know. Some
people find that a little confusing, but
I think it's a good technique if you
want to switch from person to person. If
you write first person, you're stuck
with that character and she can't she
has to be in every scene. She has to be
there all the time.
I wanted to show you a an example of
close point of view and how close point
of view makes a scene much scarier. And
I'm going to read a little section of a
short story I wrote called The Ghostly
Stare.
And it's about a girl named Lauren and
her brother Mark. And during the day,
their teacher takes them to a graveyard
to do gravestone rubbings.
It's winter and Lauren has this pair new
pair of gloves that her grandmother has
given her, very special. And she leaves
them in the graveyard.
And that night, she realizes that she
left her gloves. And she and Mark go
back to the graveyard at night uh to
find them.
And they can't. She they go back to the
tombstone where they were working and
they're not there.
And I just thought this would be a good
example of uh close point of view
writing. Okay. And Lauren
uh Lauren is telling the story.
And there they are in the graveyard. The
wind sighed again. The trees groaned and
shook. I heard a shrill cry far in the
distance, probably a cat. So there she's
hearing it. You're telling what Lauren
hears. What you know, she feels the wind
and she hears the cat.
Bending low, I circle the grave. Where
are they? Maybe they blew down the hill,
Mark suggestion.
He walked slowly down the hill, sweeping
the light from side to side over the
ground. Where are they? Where are they?
I repeated, rubbing my tingling nose, my
frozen face.
I almost bumped right into the girl. Her
long dark hair fell over her face,
hiding it from view. She wore only a
thin dress with long sleeves and a long
pleated skirt down to the ground. She
stood very stiff and erect, hands behind
her back. "Who are you?" I gasped, and
then a gust of wind blew the hair away
from her face. I stared, stared in
horror at her skeletal face. No skin, no
lips over her broken teeth. No eyes,
just empty eye sockets. So deep and
dark. I'm Abigail,
she croked, her voice dry. Dry as
sandpaper, dry as crackling leaves. And
then she lifted both arms. There was no
skin on her arms either, only bone. And
at the end of her gray bony arms were my
gloves. She took a silent step toward me
as I stood there frozen in horror. "I'm
so cold," she moaned through her rotted
teeth. "It's so cold here, Lauren.
Please," I whispered, staring at my
gloves, my gloves at the ends of those
bony arms. "I need your coat," she
moaned, reaching out with both gloved
hands. the deep empty eye sockets, the
bony head tilting toward me beneath the
blowing hair. Lauren, I need your coat.
No, please. I turned, looking everywhere
for my brother. Mark, I cried. I saw him
running, running full speed, arms flying
in front of him, running from a tall
skeleton in a flapping black overcoat.
Get going, I ordered myself. Lauren, go
now. But my legs were shaking too hard.
They wouldn't move. Lauren, I need your
sweater. No, stop. The fingers inside my
gloves grabbing for me. Lauren, I need
your clothes. Lauren, it's so cold here.
I need your coat. I need your sweater.
No, get away from me. I shrieked.
Lauren, I need your shoes. Lauren, I
need your skin.
And that's a sample from a short story,
The Ghostly Stair. And I think you can
see that if if you had written that
third person, I don't think you could
get that fright. I don't think you're
right in Lauren's head. And I think
that's what makes that scene so scary.
And if you I think if you try to write
this third person, you're going to lose
a lot of that closeness.
And at the end of her gray bony arms
were Lauren's gloves. And to me, that's
not as good. It's not as scary as
saying, "And at the end of her gray bony
arms were my gloves." My gloves. It's
much more frightening. Just changing
that one word and just um doing it first
person. Maybe you don't agree with me.
Maybe you you think, you know, some
people think writing everything first
person like that is just a trick or it's
not. I think try it. Try it out. Try try
writing the same scene. The girls in the
graveyard, this figure appears. Try
writing the same scene, first person and
third person, and see which one you
In the first chapter of a book for kids,
they have to know the first chapter has
to tell them what what's happening, what
the book is. It pretty much has to tell
them what they're going to expect.
It has to establish an awful lot. And
kids know right from the start that it's
something they're going to want to read,
that it's something, it's characters
that they like right away, and something
bad has happened right away. And first
page, first two pages, they can see
what's going to develop, what the
problem is going to be, what's going to
happen right away. We get them get the
kids in, get them described, and then
get into the action and get it going.
Chapter one ends in some kind of shock,
some kind of cliffhanger. No time for
background, nothing. Nothing interfering
with the action and keeping the plot
going. And that's that's one of the
tricks.
I thought I would read a section of I am
Slappy's evil twin. There's a prologue
and then this is the first chapter and I
I'm reading it because I think it's a
really good example of what you want to
do in the first chapter. You want to
meet the kids. You want to kind of find
out what they're like a little bit. And
then you want to know what's going to
happen right away. And this chapter
pretty much uh does that. Hey guys, I'm
Luke Harrison. I'm the red-headed kid
poking around in the tool chest in the
garage trying to figure out what a
Phillips screwdriver looks like. Yes,
I'm 12, as are all Goosebumps, kids. I
probably should know more about tools by
now, but I'm not the mechanical type. I
mean, the most complicated thing I ever
built was a snowman.
That's a joke. Actually, I've never
built anything in my life until we
decided to build this drone for a school
contest. So, there now you you've met
the Luke. He's the main character and
you you pretty much you know quite a bit
about him just in the first two
paragraphs. Hurry up, Luke. I can't hold
this forever. That's my sister Kelly
across the garage. She's holding two
pieces of the frame together. Kelly
isn't much help either. Well, she's good
at holding things, and she's good at
telling us what we're doing wrong, so I
guess that's helpful.
Now we know Kelly. Luckily, our friend
Jamal is a mechanical genius. No,
seriously. He's a genius at this stuff.
He was one of those kids who built an
entire city as big as his living room
out of Legos when he was still in
diapers.
Jamal bought the make your own drone kit
we're using. And when he spread all the
pieces out in our garage, he didn't like
the instructions, so he threw them out.
He said he could do it better, and we
believed him. The drone had four motors.
We had special batteries for the motors
and then a small propane tank for the
back of the frame, I guess, for liftoff.
Kelly and Jamal began to assemble
another side of the frame. The afternoon
sun slid behind some trees and shadows
swept over the garage. I stepped to the
back wall and clicked on the garage
lights. Don't say I'm not helpful, I
called to them. They ignored me. I
turned and stumbled over the big propane
tank. The tank was huge, about 3 ft
taller than me. It looked like the water
heater we have in the basement. I
stumbled into it, and as I watched in
horror, the tank began to tilt and fall
over. I made a wild grab for it, but it
was too heavy. It slipped right out of
my hands. Like a nightmare, the whole
thing seemed to be happening in slow
motion. The tank was going down, about
to crash onto the hard concrete floor. I
grabbed for it again, missed, and then I
screamed, "Look out! It's going to
blow."
That's the chapter ending. So, you can
see that's designed. Then what? Then
what? You got to go on to the next one.
And so you see we've we've established
the characters very quickly and you kind
of know their personalities and we've
started the action right away in the
very first chapter. There's one other
thing that first chapter does and that
aside from the characters, it
establishes the propane tank. And of
course the propane tank doesn't blow
right after this. It's there. But the
propane tank we now know is there and of
course the reader forgets about it. And
it's there because it plays a major role
in the end of the book. And I'd already
I'd planned the ending. So, I had to
establish the propane tank right
I was a really fearful kid. I was afraid
of a lot. Um, I think that's why I
stayed in my room typing all the time
because I really was I it was a terrible
way to grow up. I was uh uh afraid of
the dark. I was afraid we we had this um
freezer down in the basement. It was
sort of shaped like this desk. It was
shaped sort of coffin shaped, a white
enamel freezer that they my parents kept
meat in it and frozen candy bars and
things. And my dad would say, "Bob, go
down and uh bring up some lamb chops."
And we had a creepy basement and I was
it was the stairs creaked. It was, you
know, it was typical. It was I It was a
scary basement. And then I would go up
to this freezer and here was this white
enamelled this freezer and the lid came
up like this. And I knew I was always
afraid I was going to lift up the lid
and there would be some body frozen,
some sprawled corpse sprawled on top. I
just imagine I could picture it and
lifted up the lid to get the thing. And
I, you know, I had a lot of fears like
that. I used to ride my bike around the
neighborhood and come back at night and
I was always sure something was lurking
in the garage. There was something in
there waiting and I would take my bike
and heave it into the garage and go
running into the house. I was really
afraid of things. But it how lucky was
that? Because then here I am writing
scary books, right? And I can now I can
remember that feeling of panic, that
feeling of being a kid and being afraid.
And I can bring it back. I can remember
it and try to put it into my books. So
it turned out it was something lucky.
Any place can become scary. when I first
started doing uh the Goosebumps books
and was thinking it was no one had ever
done a scary book series for seven to 12
year olds. It had never been done and I
had to try to figure out what will be
scary and what will work, what will they
be able to identify with and what will
they be able to see when it create these
stories.
And of course, the impulse with horror
is to set it in some dark castle in in
the middle of a forest in middle Europe.
And I like the werewolf movies. They're
deep in some European forest and these
strange people. And I thought kids just
can't they can't identify with that.
That's not part of their lives. You have
to make it location part of their lives,
something that they can really see and
know. And that's how I made the decision
that most Goosebumps books would take
place in the backyard. They take place
at school. They would be in a in a
neighborhood and not in somewhere in
middle Europe or like, you know, a
Dracula's castle. We don't do that at
all. You take these normal places that
kids know and then you have to make them
scary. Um, a kid is in school and the
teacher says, "Would you go down to the
basement, please, and ask the custodian
to come up in there?" And the kid goes
down and he gets lost down in the
basement of the school. And he's in some
area he's never seen before. There's all
this the furnace and all this dark
equipment and weird things going on down
in the basement. That's a scary
location. His right in school, but it
becomes a scary location. You can do
that. Um, a kid is going to stay with
his aunt who he's never really seen
before, but his parents have a business
trip and the kid has to go with the
aunt. And the aunt has this strange
house and she's got a collection of
knives and she says, "Whatever you do,
don't go in that room.
Don't go in that room because Henry's in
that room. So, don't go in that room.
So, you have a normal house here, but
suddenly it's a he's he's in a scary
situation. Well, who's Henry? What's he
doing? I just made that up. And what's
he doing? What's he doing in the in
locked in there? Why is he? So, you
know, the kid has to is forced. He's got
to go over and knock on the door. He's
got to find out what's behind the door
and you've t just taken a house and made
it a scary location. So yes, you take
any location and you make the kids
vulnerable. You make the kids helpless
in it. You do something that's just
changes it and makes it horrifying for
them. and and then you've got you have a
story.
How do you create suspense?
You first of all, there has to be some
unknown to have suspense. There has to
be something that your character doesn't
know. There's something on the other
side of the door. What's pounding on the
door? What are those sounds? There has
to be one of those scraping sounds on
the ceiling. What is that? There has to
be something they don't know that they
have to find out or it has to be really
dark or they have to be lost somewhere
or they have to be somewhere they've
never been before. And then you can
really create suspense pretty easily.
And what you have to do is get inside
that person's head and talk about what
they see and not not so much what they
feel. You don't talk. You don't want to
write and say, "Oh, it was the scariest
moment of my life. Oh, I'd never been so
terrified." You have to show it. You
don't want to say it. You don't want to
say, "I was in a total panic. I You
don't want to write that. Don't write
that. You want to You want to have more
sounds, more scraping sounds. they're
coming closer. You want to write it
really slowly. You want to know what
that kid feels like. What is what his
skin is tingling? Maybe his teeth are
chattering. What what smell? What does
he smell? What does he hear? What can he
see in the darkness? You want to know
all of that. And you want to tell it
really slowly. Really slow. You don't
want to skip anything. You don't want to
leave anything out. And that's suspense.
In horror, you want to really set the
scene. You want to know where the kids
the kids are out late at night. They're
in lost in the woods. They they don't
know how this happened.
You have to really set the make the
woods real. Make the background real.
So, you have to spend time and just pick
out those details that will bring the
setting to life, that will make the
reader see. They're in the woods. Maybe
they hear a howl in the distance. May
they look up and there's just a tiny
little sliver of a moon, but it's making
the trees shimmer like silver. Something
like that. Just details like that that
make that make a picture and make it
real. You want to take something if you
want to write something really
terrifying. You want to take something
that people can see and you want to make
it different. You want to make it
frightening. You want to have I there's
a book called Goosebumps book called The
Scarecrow Walks at Midnight
where the scarecrows in this field come
to life. This is one I think one of the
scariest books I ever wrote. It's not on
a farm and just the sound of these
scarecrows
brushing through the corn, brushing
through the tall corn stalks. It's late
in fall and the corn stalks are just
there and the sound of these scarecrows
moving toward the house, moving toward
the house through the corn was a really
terrifying scene, I think. And I think
anytime you take some inanimate object
like that, especially something that's
almost human
and you make give it these humanlike
things, I I think that's very
terrifying.
Now, here's a scene with the sponge
being scary. The sponge is just a little
kitchen sponge, a little round sponge,
but he's actually a creature. It's a bad
luck creature called a grl. He's
actually alive, the sponge. This is from
It came from beneath the sink.
And I think this is I picked this out
because I think it's it shows you how
you slowly scare people.
You scare your readers. You slow things
down. You you make it you create tension
by not going fast, by not giving away
what you're doing, by not telling them
what's going to happen. You make it very
slow and it makes it much scarier. Much
scarier. And the kid says, um, um, he's
looking under the sink. He's looking.
Then I heard it breathing the grl. But
where? I held my breath and stood
completely still. I concentrated really
hard, trying to figure out exactly where
in the inky blackness the breathing came
from. Whoa. Whoa. Somewhere to my right.
I knew I had to walk over there and
snatch the grl, but I was afraid to let
go of the ladder. Finally, I decided to
count my steps there, find the grl, then
count the same number of steps back to
the ladder. I swallowed hard and let go
of the ladder. I stepped into the
blackness. It's totally darkened and
started counting. 1 2 3 4 The breathing
sounded a little closer. Five six. You
see how I've slowed it all down? I keep
you waiting. They have to wait. You're
anticipating. You're waiting for the
horror. I stopped. I listened hard. Huh?
I cried to myself. What's that
scratching sound? Then I saw the eyes.
Not the gr small round eyes. Big bright
eyes. Several pairs of them all glowing
at me in the dark. That's the
cliffhanger chapter ending. What is it?
The scr and then you go on to the next
chapter. The scratching grew louder. The
eyes stared up at me. yellow eyes
glowing in the darkness. I heard a
creature scrabble over the floor. Felt
something warm and furry brush against
my leg. Were they raccoons? Rats? I
didn't want to know. Another one brushed
against me. They were all starting to
scrape around on the floor. They were
growing restless. I forced myself to
breathe. I turned and started to run.
Get me out of here, I thought. Get me
out of here before they attack.
That passage illustrates one, the power
of darkness. He was in total darkness.
Two, you're right inside his mind. This
is another, I think, a good example of
why first person really works for
scariness. You're inside his mind when
he sees these eyes. He hears first he
hears the breathing. So you have you
hear the sound, then he sees the eyes,
then he feels something brush his leg.
So you're using all the senses, all of
his senses, and you're doing it through
him. You're feeling all this. And I I
think that's um what this passage uh
demonstrates.
What makes a monster a monster?
Yeah. I think it's anything that not
controlled.
And I think kids have this fear. I mean,
they have these feelings of wanting to
be out of control. They have feelings of
anger and they have anxiety and they and
it's mostly suppress it all the time.
Have to suppress it and hold it in. And
a monster is something that doesn't
suppress it at all. A monster is out of
control. And what's scarier? I don't
think anything is scarier than something
that's completely out of control and
something you can't do anything about.
That's a monster. You have to be open
and remember things that you've seen.
Remember all the old monsters and try to
come up with new ones. I did um a
Goosebumps called Frankenstein's Dog
where the dog is a vicious horrible
monster. I try to picture the monsters.
I I I can't draw. If I could draw, I
would draw them. Some people can draw. I
can't draw anything. But I I do try when
I was doing a swamp monster, you have to
try to picture what exactly it looks
like. If you're doing um even something
like monster blood, monster blood, they
open the jar and it starts to grow and
it's sticky. People stick to it. You
have to kind of picture is it bubbly? Is
it smooth? You have to you have to force
yourself to be visual.
Some writers talk to me and say, "How do
you do a new monster? How can you do
it?" And I say, "Anything can be a
monster." Take anything. Anything. You
know, a teddy bear. Take something. It
came from beneath the sink. Was about a
sponge.
Now, who writes a horror novel about a
sponge, right? But in this book, the
monster was a sponge. It was just a
sponge that actually had eyes, but it
was a sponge. If I can turn a sponge, a
little tiny sponge into a monster, you
can take anything. Just take anything
and give it power, make it terrible,
have it do horrible things. Even an
inanimate object uh like a camera. I'm
thinking of say cheese and die and the
evil camera. Even a camera becomes like
a monster. This camera in this book
shows terrible pictures of things
happening to the kids who have the
camera. A few minutes later
they take a picture and then a few
minutes later they take a picture and
the one of a kid's in a car accident.
It's showing the kid in a car accident.
They say, "Well, that's" and then a few
minutes later the kid is in a car
accident. The photos always come true.
But here's something. It's not a big
creature. It's not a giant King Kong.
It's not a big, you know, dinosaur. It's
just a camera. But it's just as
horrifying.
Of all the creatures I've create, all
the ones I've created, there's only one
that's really captured everyone's
imagination. And it's kind of a surprise
to me. Of all these monsters, Jelly Jam
and um the Shaggedy and all these
things, only Slappy has become like
universal. Slappy, the evil dummy. This
idea of a doll coming to life is very
scary to people. And I and I I don't I I
don't I don't know. I love writing it.
It's it's it's a lot of fun to write.
I've written 12 slappy books. I keep
doing new ones and which is hard because
it's just a dummy coming to life. It's
a, you know, how do you get more plots
more plots about about that? But it and
it surprises me how people are afraid uh
of this kind of thing. I get all kinds
of singing saying I can't I can't look
at dummies. I'm terrified. But for real,
people who are really scared of it, and
I think it's oh, it's crazy, you know,
it's silly, but I I don't know. I keep
writing it. We We did I had a TV series
called The Haunting Hour,
which was a lot like The Goosebump Show.
It was a little a lot scarier. And we
did an episode about a doll. These pe
this company sells uh life-sized dolls.
and you can send in the picture of your
daughter or your son. You send them a
picture and they make the doll look like
your kid. So, you get a doll, a
life-sized doll that looks like your
kid. And we did a few episodes of the
haunting hour with this doll, Ellie D.
Ellie D named Ellie. and she would come
into the house and the little girl would
have her, you know, identical doll, but
the doll would then come to life and the
doll would look around and the doll
slowly took over the girl's life and
became the girl and the girl was like
out. And I hear about this show all the
time, how frightened people were and how
scary they thought it was. This idea of
an inanimate object coming to life.
Um, I don't know what that proves, but
um, it's kind of amazing to me um, how
effective it is and then how popular
Slappy
For me, the function of dialogue in the
story is actually to tell the story. Um,
my books, I would say, are maybe
twothirds dialogue because that's the
fun part. Kids talking to kids. Kids
talking to creatures. Kids shouting and
screaming and talking and kids fighting
with their parents and fighting talking
and and to me I I actually as a writer
I'm not great at description and I find
it difficult. I don't know all the names
of trees and I don't know all the names
of flowers. A lot of authors that's very
that's an important thing but I'm not
good at that part. And but I think I'm
really good at writing very believable
dialogue of kids talking and I try to
tell my stories and I I just think this
works and it's more fun for kids to
read. They instead of reading paragraphs
paragraphs they have all this short
dialogue and the whole story is told
through the dialogue and you get their
character you get their personalities
you get their fear from what they're
saying and instead of describing it but
the conversation also has to tell you
something. It has to reveal something
about the characters or it has to reveal
something about what's going to happen.
a little foreshadowing maybe in a
conversation. It it can't just be I mean
the way we talk we'll just chat and be
talking or something. But that's that's
the kind of stuff you're reading a book,
you skip it. You say, "Oh, they're just
they're just talking, not anything." And
you just go past it to find out what's
really going to happen. And you don't
want your reader to skip parts. You want
to you want to take out all the parts
they're going to skip. And you want to
make sure they're not going to skip. So
I think every every dialogue, every
conversation that they have has to
either reveal something about them some
reveals something the reader didn't know
before.
Here are my rules for writing dialogue.
One, use as little current slang as you
can.
I find I made a lot of mistakes early on
and if you you know if if you try to
sound like teenagers now or if you
really s you know and put what they're
saying in two months it's all going to
be out of date. It's all changed.
And so you have to be very careful to
that your characters sound like real
kids and real people. But you've got to
try to stay away from all those words
and things that that will be gone in two
months. The same is true for technology.
You know, you have to be very careful
about you you can't I I write a book
about 10 years ago where the kids are
all walking around with Walkman.
Now what you know what's a Walkman? They
don't know what it is. You the the
technology changes every two weeks. So
you have to be very careful and try to
avoid all that. Try to keep it out
because you don't want your book to
become dated so quickly. The other thing
is you've got to be really careful with
your references.
Now my readers were born in
2010
and so they don't know anything. They
have no references.
If you're writing for 10 year olds, they
don't know anything that happened and
maybe two years before. And so you can't
talk about some rock group, some music
group, or you can't talk about even a
president. You can't talk, they have no
references. And so I think it's very
important to keep that stuff out and to
because it they'll just be baffled. They
don't know anything. My other rule of
dialogue is
that kids don't talk in complete
sentences. I don't know any kids who
talk in full sentences. Uh guys, teenage
guys mostly grunt. They mostly just
grunt. There's no words. There's
nothing. Kids don't speak in really
long, difficult words. So you need to
have
sentence fragments, very short sentences
and low vocabulary level. I think when
you have kids talking
when you start to write the way there a
couple ways to figure out your pro
style.
One is to write.
See what your style is. If you you start
writing, you're going to have a style.
You you're going to you have an idea and
you have a plan for your book. And you
start writing the book, you're going to
see what you know what what naturally
what your language naturally falls into,
what kind of style. The other thing is
to model it after somebody. There was a
um
a Midwestern humorist named Max Schulman
and he wrote u maybe people remember the
many loves of Doby Gillis which was a TV
series. This is going back and he wrote
a book. I read a a Max Showman book uh
once I was a teenager I think it was
called Barefoot Boy with Cheek
and it made me laugh so hard I just
laughed on every page. He's like
forgotten now. People just forget
humorists. They they're just gone. But
it was so funny. And then I sat down and
one summer I wrote a novel just copying
him, just trying to do what he did.
Spent an entire summer writing a novel
like that, just copying that. Um I I
just loved it so much. I think it's a
really good thing if you find an author
that you really like and you like the
style of the writing that you could try
to do that same style. I it was sort of
a challenge. I love um
Robert B. Harker the Spencer novels and
the writing is so tur and it's so clean
and it's just there'll be dialogue
dialogue dialogue a paragraph of
description dialogue dialogue dialogue
and I it's it's just you know nothing
wasted and I always try to do that I try
to copy that style and I think this
happens if you find books that you
really like and authors that you know
appeal to you in that way that it's it's
a I think it's a good thing to try to
copy the style. I would say if there's a
writer you really admire, if there are
books or kinds of books that you really
like that just pay attention. It's a
matter of read while you're reading,
paying attention to the way the author
handles things and that will get you to
a style.
It's hard to talk about what is funny
and and what makes you laugh. I mean, we
all have this is why I think humor
writing is much harder. It's much harder
to write funny stuff than it is to write
horror because we're all afraid of the
same things. We all have the same fears.
We're all afraid of the dark and we're
all afraid of being lost in the woods.
We're all We're all the same when it
comes to horror, but we don't all laugh
at the same things. We all have
different senses of humor. I laugh at
stupidity humor. I When people are
really like Dumb and Dumber, that movie,
I laughed so hard I couldn't breathe.
From the time I was little, I always
liked funny stuff. I loved cartoons when
I was little and comedians and all kinds
of comedy shows and comedy films. I was
just drawn to it. And so when I started
writing, that's what I wanted to write.
And I wrote humor for years. I wrote
maybe a hundred joke books for kids. My
first book was called How to Be Funny.
When it came time to writing scary stuff
and changing gears,
I knew that I'd have to carry over what
I love and carry over the humor into the
horror. And it's proven very effective
because, you know, I don't really want
to terrify kids. It's not really why I
write Goosebumps. Um, we write to
entertain them and you give them little
creepy stories. So, I use a lot of humor
in that book to keep in those books to
keep them from getting too scary. Now,
there's something I have to say there's
something wrong with me. I mean, there's
something strange about my brain and
that horror doesn't scare me. When you
go into the movie theater and you're
seeing the shark comes up and eats a kid
and is chewing the kid and there's blood
splattered, I'm the one in the theater
who's laughing.
Horror makes me laugh. And I've never
had that feeling. You know, people come
to me and they say, "Oh, when I read
your book, I had to lock all my doors
and I left my lights on the whole
night." I've never had that feeling.
I've I don't know what that's like to
read a book or a movie and be scared. It
just it it always makes me laugh. And I
think it's the same visceral reaction.
Um when you come up to somebody, come up
behind somebody, a baby or even a
grown-up, and you go boop,
the person always gasps and then laughs.
It's so closely connected. I think when
you uh go to an amusement park and you
walk up to the roller coaster, what do
you hear? You hear people screaming and
laughing at the same time. What if you
got on a roller coaster and it went up
up up up and then it came down and then
it came down again and then it came down
again and then it went upside down again
and then it came down and there was no
no pause in between it. I don't think it
would be very much fun. I think it would
be one exhausting and two just too
terrifying. And that's why roller
coasters are built. You go up, you come
you come all the way down, you're
screaming, and then there's like a
pause. There's like a nice part and and
you're lulled into this thinking you're
safe and then it happens again. And then
you're lulled again. And then it happens
again. And that's so much more fun than
if it were just thrill after thrill
after thrill.
Now, if you are thinking about writing
scary stories for kids or for grown-ups,
if you're thinking about writing for
horror, and you also agree with me that
putting in a lot of humor really helps
the horror along and helps make it more
fun. Um, it's here's the hard part. It's
just such a careful fine line. You have
to be so careful of one not to have too
much horror in your book. I always say
people who who start out writing horror
for kids or adults. They start out they
want to pile on the horror. They want to
start off and it's good to get the first
chapter have something terrible
happening. But there I know there are
these TV shows where something terrible
happens in the first 10 and then
something else terrible happens and then
something really scary happens and some
and there's no normal life. There's no
humor in between. There's nothing in
between and it becomes ridiculous. You
can't buy it and it loses its
effectiveness. But I don't know if I can
advise you on how to do it. But you have
to be very aware that there's this very
fine line. You have to have so much
horror and so much normal life. So much
niceness, so many nice things happening
and then horror and so much pause in
between. Otherwise, you're just you're
going to the reader just going to laugh.
This is a chapter from a book I wrote
called Young Scrooge. It's a
middle-grade book. It's a Christmas
book. It's totally stolen from Dickens.
Scrooge is a 12year-old
and he's a total bully and he's a
horrible kid. His name is Rick
Scroogeman.
And in this chapter, he has gone up. He
knows where his mother hides a Christmas
present. All the Christmas presents. and
he goes, it's in the attic closet and he
sneaks up there
and he tears open the rappers to make
sure she got him really good presents.
And he also opens his brother's
presents. And he's in this closet doing
this when the door slams shut and
suddenly he can't get out and he's
locked in the closet.
No air in here. This is, by the way,
this is an example of doing a scary
scene, but also adding a lot of humor.
This is I think you'll see how I did
this. No air in here, I thought. It's
getting hard to breathe. That thought
sent a chill of panic, shooting down my
body. The light went out, too. I reached
for the light switch, clicked it several
times. No light. The bulb was definitely
burned out. Should I call for help? It
was worth a try. I opened my mouth to
shout, but I stopped when I saw the
eerie green yellow mist swirling at the
other end of the closet. I uttered a
sharp gasp. It looked like a cloud. It
curled in on itself like a snake. I
stared without breathing, without moving
as the mist curled and uncurled up to
the closet ceiling, then down again. Was
it going to wrap itself around me? No. A
cry escaped my throat. The mist grew
brighter. Flames sparked out. "What is
happening?" I choked out in a whisper.
The air suddenly felt cold. I was
shivering now, shivering from the cold
and from my fear. And when I opened my
eyes, I found myself staring at a face,
a pale yellow face, an old man's face
with scraggly white hairs on a craggy,
bald head, white whiskers down both
cheeks. I couldn't look away from his
glowing red eyes. They held me as if I
were hypnotized. And then I suddenly
realized what had happened. The closet
was so warm. I'd fallen asleep. I
drifted off to sleep. And now I was
having a nightmare. Am I dreaming this?
The words escaped my throat in a horse
trembling voice. Can I wake up now?
You're not dreaming? The old man
replied.
The words sounded as if they were coming
from somewhere far away.
I swallowed. My mouth was dry as
sandpaper.
I told you there's only one thing in the
world I'm afraid of, and that's ghosts.
And now I was staring at a ghost locked
in a closet with a terrifying ghost. Who
are you? Don't you recognize me? He
boomed. No. Why should I recognize you?
A wave of heat washed over me. The old
ghost's eyes bulge. I'm Marley's ghost.
My mouth dropped open. Huh? His eyes
narrowed on me. I'm Marley's ghost. I've
come to warn you. William Delaney.
Whoa. I raised both hands, signaling him
to back off. William Delaney? The old
ghost raised a bony finger. You are
William Delaney. Don't try to escape
your fate. William, you cannot run from
your doom. But I'm not William Delaney.
I'm Rick Scroogeman.
A flash of light made me blink.
Scroogeman, you're telling the truth. I
let out a long shuddering breath. The
Delaneies live across the street, the
red brick house on the corner. You got
the wrong house. Marley's ghost nodded
slowly. His eyes appeared to sink deep
in their sockets. Sorry about that. My
bad. I'll be gone now. I have to haunt
William Delaney. Uh, wait. I said,
before you go, could you do me a favor?
Could you open the closet door for me
and let me out? He nearly disappeared.
He floated closer. Your turn is coming,
Scroogeman. You must remain in this
closet. Your journey is about to begin.
You won't help me. He lowered his head
and began to vanish. Don't let the door
hit you on your way out, I said.
So, there you have Marley's ghost. He's
in the wrong house. So, you've got a
good creepy scene. It's scary. He's in
the closet with a ghost, but the ghost
says, "My bad." And he leaves. You don't
expect this. It's Marley's ghost. A lot
of people know the Dickens story. And
they know that Marley's ghost comes to
warn him that three ghosts are coming to
take him away. And you know, this is a
really terrifying moment. So, we have
this nice twist. Suddenly, the reader
said, "Wait, wait a minute. The ghost
made has made this stupid mistake and is
in the wrong
When I write a Goosebumps book and I I
figure out the characters, I don't do
very much. In fact, I'm criticized a lot
for not having much characterization in
my book. But the idea
in a Goosebumps book is that the you
want the reader to identify with the
main character. You want the reader to
become part of the book. The reader is
seeing what the protagonist is seeing is
having is experiencing all these
horrible things. So you want the reader
to be able to closely identify with your
main character. So I do very I don't
characterize the main character much. I
give them a little description, but I
leave it open so that the reader can
become the protagonist. My longtime
Goosebumps editor, Susan Luri, we've
done over a 100 Goosebumps books
together. She says that I am fabulous at
creating full-blown cardboard
characters.
And that's really what I do. And I do
get criticized a lot for this. You say,
"Oh, he doesn't do any characterization.
and he doesn't but it's it's deliberate.
It's totally deliberate because it
brings the reader closer. It brings the
reader into the book by not having a
really strong not not really developing
the character. We have these ordinary
kids in extraordinary circumstances
solving these problems, trying to get
out of danger, saving their own lives on
on their own with their own smarts and
their own imagination. The kids in
Goosebumps
are always well, they're always 12
because the readers are a little bit
younger and they like to read about kids
who are older.
They're always normal kids. They're not
especially smart. They're not talented.
Almost always they have no talent.
Sometimes maybe they play an instrument
or something. They're not special in any
way. And
that's because that's just this is all
so more readers can identify with them.
And when you have some average kids,
it they're they're more vulnerable, I
think, and they can get into more
trouble because they're just regular
kids. And it makes it more scary.
When you start to write,
you want to create a likable character.
You want to create a character people
are going to want to root for or read
about through a whole book. But you have
to be careful as an author. You have to
remember that you are not the
protagonist friend. And I'm mainly
talking about writing horror, writing
thrillers, writing mysteries.
You have to remember that you are
actually the enemy of the protagonist.
And this is a very important thing I
think because you have to take your
protagonists and put them in trouble and
then you have to cause more trouble. You
have to cause more difficulty for them.
They you have to cause all kinds of
problems all through the book for them.
You're not their
hero. You're not their friend. you. The
idea is to get the protagonist in as
much trouble as possible and then
finally get them out at the end because
remember the more trouble you get your
protagonist in the tighter the net you
wrap around them the more fun the book
will be and the more satisfying your
ending will be.
The other thing talking about characters
is the parents in the Goosebumps book.
They're they all have parents of course
and the parents are totally useless. The
parents are always useless. Either
either they're not there or they don't
believe the kids. The kids come to them
and say, "Mom, dad, the dummy, it's
talking. The dummy came alive." You say,
"Sure, have a nice time. Go play." and
they're on their own and they have to
use their own wits. They have to use
their own imagination to get out of
trouble. And that's pretty much every
single book
with Goosebumps. I've made it everything
as hard as I possibly can for myself
because every Goosebumps book starts all
over again with a whole new cast of
characters. Most series you have a
character and the characters continue
from book to book and you get to know
them and it's easy. I have a whole new
cast every I need five or six kids every
time I start a book. When we were back
in the day when we were starting
Goosebumps back in the 90s I had my
son's school directory and it had all
the kids' names in it because I need I
need a lot of names, right? I didn't
need five or six names. And I think I
used every kid in his school, but
sometimes my son would come home
and he'd say, "Dad, you have to put
Jamie in the next one." Or, "Dad, you
have to put Will in the They paid him to
be in the next Goosebumps book." I think
they paid him 10 bucks so they could be
a character in the book. But that's how
I got the names. Now I use I use I try
to use names that are really popular and
current and you know online you can see
the the 20 most popular boys names the
20 most and I use those names because
then more kids will be able uh to
identify with
To me, a lot of teen fiction is too
grim. No one ever cracks a joke. No
one's ever laughing about anything. And
I I I put a lot of that in these books.
I think it's more true to life. I mean,
when you if you observe a bunch of
teenagers, they're laughing all the
time. They're laughing and it's they're
fun. And then when you read a lot of
teen literature, no one's laughing. I
don't know why. I think you you need
that in the book. I think it helps to
make it seem like real teenagers, which
is what you want to create. And you you
want to do characters that aren't
cliches, but they're still they do fall
into groups. And there some of it is
unavoidable.
And so you have your different types and
it helps the plot along. If you know
that there's a guy who's very angry and
his par his household is a mess and he
wants to drop out. I mean this creates a
lot of tension immediately and um you do
you have you know the cheerleaders. I do
a cheerleaders books um which actually
may be a little dated now I don't know
but everyone likes to read about the
cheerleaders and what how evil they are
and how terrible they are to each other
and how they're murdering each other and
your characters really determine your
plot. Whoever what you choose, the
characters you choose, they they're set.
You that's what sets off your plot. And
you always you have to know when you're
writing these characters what what they
want. What they want. You can't just
describe them. You have to tell what's
their aim. What is their goal? Their
goal is not to be so shy. The goal is to
meet some guy or get somebody's
attention, but you constantly have to
know and usually you do it through
dialogue, of course, and what they say
to each other, but it's very important
to get across
exactly what they're about and what they
want.
When I'm planning any book, a Goosebumps
or Fear Street or any novel, I figure
out I populate it. That's the first
thing I do. I have basically I know the
story. I I I have the idea in my mind
and then I I populate it. I come up with
characters and I make a cheat sheet of
the characters
um and with their traits sort of what
they look like uh so that I I know who's
in the book I have it I don't do it for
every single character not for everyone
some I improvise as I'm writing the book
but for the most of the main characters
I like to have at least a chart of what
they're like and this is um the one I
wrote wrote when I was planning out the
Fear Street book called Give Me a K I L.
It's a fear the evil Fear Street
cheerleaders are back. And this is uh
I'll just read a little of it. This this
is what I wrote and I scribbled
scribbled. This is what I came up with
for character planning.
Gretch and Paige. Straight blonde hair,
olive colored eyes, not happy with her
looks, nose too short, hates the cleft
in her chin, tense, has nightmares.
Small town girl, Shadyside High is big
to her, uncomfortable in new school,
ambitious, determined to win.
And that's so I had a pretty good idea
of Gretchen. I mean, she's the main
character in the book. And I had a
pretty good idea. I mean, she was moving
from a small town, even smaller than
Shadyside and going to Shadyside High.
And so I I had that and I had the
tension from doing that and the
problems. I I had that all in mind. So
that's what I did. And you see, I did a
little bit of description of what she
looks like. And of course, that that
really gets fleshed out. Uh in a Fear
Street book, you do a lot of detail on
the characters. Gretchen's mom. Tall,
athletic, short blonde hair stre with
white. Youngl looking for 43. Haggarded
since her divorce, wears too much
makeup. Gretchen thinks, and there's,
you know, just a picture of her mom. So,
it's just a start. It gives me a start.
And when I get to writing that
character, at least I have something. I
don't have to sit there and stare at the
screen and say, "What does Gretchen's
mom look like? What do I I have I have a
head start." And that's what I I always
think. Give yourself a head start.
Don't, you know, don't stare at a
screen.
Coach Walker, cheerleader. Coach, very
tall and thin, black, all business, but
sympathetic, very fair-minded and
reasonable, not afraid to stand up to
Deborah.
Deborah Dolby, she's a villain.
Rich, cold, snobbish, blue eyes, wavy
red hair, creamy skin, beautiful but
icy, cutting sense of humor, totally
entitled father owns department store
chain. She's related to a character from
the old days, from the old Fear Street,
uh, one called Silent Night, where her
cousin was the same kind of person.
There are two more. Madison Gman plays
violin since she was three. Intense,
very thin, birdlike, long curly black
hair, sharp nose, very pale, very
tightly wired, artistic family.
So you see it's a there she is. Sid
Viviano, sense of humor, funny, wears a
lot of denim, serious dark eyes that
crinkle up when he smiles, short brown
hair, buzzed haircut, warm and likable,
goodlooking, except for big ears.
So, I, you know, I kind of have fun
writing these and I I have the character
ready to go and it's um I I think you
should try it. It's a big help to me. I
took this uh character sheet that I did
and I put it on masterclass resources
for you to look at and um take a look
and see what you think and you can get
an idea of what I do um as far as
characters go and what I do before every
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Go ahead and enjoy what you're doing.
Enjoy creating your characters and enjoy
making them say all kinds of things and
go through with your first draft and
have fun with it. Think of it as fun.
Think of it. You're creating this thing.
You're doing this. It's not hard. It
isn't hard work. It's not it's not a
struggle. And maybe there there's scenes
already you don't like. You don't like
and I you go back the next morning and
you read what you read yesterday, wrote
yesterday, and you don't like it. Go
keep going. Keep going.
As an aspiring writer, I you might feel
more comfortable starting with something
that's short. start. You might feel more
comfortable uh sitting down planning
something that's only 20 or 25 pages
long. And if you feel more comfortable
doing it, I would say do that. Do that.
If you feel that that it's starting out,
it's too ambitious for you to plan a 200
300page novel to work out what what that
would be. Ju try as you know is the
story is the microcosm of the novel and
just try something nice and short. Well,
here's the interesting thing about short
stories and novels and writing both. I
find, and maybe you will too, that
writing short stories is harder because
you have so little space. And when you
write a short story, what you need, you
need one really good solid idea. You
need something really strong and one
really powerful thing to put into this
story, to drive this story. When you
write a novel, you can have a bunch of
ideas. is you know where you're going,
you know what you want to talk about,
but you've got, you know, 300 pages, 400
pages. It's so luxurious. When you write
a short and when I write a short story,
I'm like, how how I've got to be so
concise. I've got to set it up so
quickly. I have to figure out who who
are these characters. I've got to get
that characterization done. I've got to
get to the problem right away. And then
I have to have a really good ending. So
in that way, I think stories are are
harder.
After the outline is approved, I'm ready
to go. I sit down. I start chapter one.
I write always totally in order. I'm I'm
the kind of writer that I have to, and
maybe you'll be like this, too. I I have
to write right from the beginning. I
have to write every word in order. I
can't skip around. When we were first
starting out, my wife and I collaborated
on some kids books and u we did a book
called The Sick of Being Sick Book and a
couple other books and it didn't end
well because Jane liked to she'd write
write some of the middle and then go
back and write the beginning and then
and I couldn't do it. We just couldn't
work. I have to go entirely in order.
And the uh collaboration actually ended
up uh with her locking me in the closet
and leaving the apartment.
And no, this is true. I probably
shouldn't tell this story, but she
locked me in and just left the
apartment. And we realized we probably
shouldn't be doing books together. She
got me out about half an hour later.
And um so then that was it. That was the
last book we ever wrote together.
Sometimes I'll have uh I'll be twothirds
of the way through the book and I'll
think, well, it'd be great to put in a
talking cat here or something like that.
It would be great to this would be a
great place to turn things around and
show that they're actually on Mars.
They're not really on Earth. So if I put
that in, I'm twothirds of the way back.
Then I there's a lot of going back and
forth when you write. You don't just
keep going, keep going. You have to keep
going. I go back and forth a lot. So
I've added this weird thing that I
didn't have before. So I have to go back
to the beginning and I have to plant
clues about it. I have to establish
something back in the beginning or back
in the early chapters and maybe in a
couple pl two or three places. Maybe
I've added a character at the end. Then
I have to go back in the beginning and
put that character in and make sure so
that people will be ready for it when I
get to to the ending. So, I find myself
going back a lot and adding things or
changing things that I've that I've done
and going, you know, going back and
forth. As an aspiring writer, I just
think if if you find that you're putting
adding stuff at the end of a book or in
the middle of a book, make sure that
you've established it. Um, you probably
will have better ideas. you have you're
writing you're writing you're in intense
writing you know you're going to have
other ideas that you didn't have when
you started the book so you have to make
sure that the reader will be prepared
for what you're doing here and you have
to be sure that everything is
established so I'd say don't go don't be
afraid to go back even though you're
twothirds of the way through the book go
back and put in what's going to help you
later on.
I would also say if you're having
trouble with the first draft, just keep
going way I do. If I'm having a bad
writing day, I just keep going. Do it.
Finish your first draft because you're
not going to turn in the first draft and
you can always go back. And once you
have this complete thing, it's so easy
to start revising. And you can see the
problems when you go back and read it.
You can see what the problems are. And
you can go back and fix up the writing,
add things, take things out that you
don't like. And you know you're going to
turn in your second draft at least,
maybe more drafts. Some authors do many
drafts before they turn the book in. So
don't worry about the first draft. The
first draft, I think, should be fun.
Should go fast. Go write fast. Just
write it. Get it down. Enjoy it. Just
have fun with the first draft. And
because and then you can do the harder
work later on the other drafts and shape
it up.
Keep going. This is just your first
draft. And you just want to get through
it and have fun with it and get to the
end. And then you'll go back and you'll
be more serious. You can be more serious
the second time and then you can start
start to look at things and start to fix
things. But once you have that
foundation, that first draft is such a
great head start. What a great feeling
that will be. Here you'll have this
thing. Print it out. Don't leave it on
the screen. No one prints out their
manuscripts anymore. They always say, in
fact, you know, I I never almost never
print my manuscript. In the old days,
you'd print them all out and you'd put
them in a box and you'd have this box.
You would have this thing, look what I
wrote. And you'd take it to the post
office and mail it off to the publisher.
Now, you know, click, click, click,
click. It's on the screen. It's gone.
But print it out and look at it. Look
what you've done. You've written 300
pages. You've written 400 pages. That's
what an amazing accomplishment. That's
great. and you know you're just in the
beginning stages, but there it is. You
have this thing that you've done. It's
wonderful. Completing your first draft
shows that you can do it. No matter what
trouble you have later on, you know you
can do it. No matter what how much
trouble you have with the second draft
or how much what you kind what you run
into with editors and their comments or
what kind of reviews you get further
down the line, you know, you've got this
thing. You've written it. You've
finished it. You made it all the way
through. You know you can do it. I wish
someone told that to me.
When I finished a manuscript, I have a
first draft of a book. I go back up to
the beginning and I read it. And I read
it as a reader, but I also read it
looking for a lot of things. And I look
for scenes that seem to drag. I look for
mistakes that I've made. Uh, once I
wrote a I wrote a manuscript about a boy
named Chris and halfway through the
book, his name was Jack and his name
changed halfway through. So, but I
caught it, you know, I after the first
draft, I I caught it. I was able to
change it. So, you look for mistakes. I
always look for weather mistakes. You
know, you're always saying, "Oh, it's a
cloudy day." And then suddenly the sun
is on the next page. you. I look for
consistency all the way through and then
I look for typos and then I typing is
very important to me and then I look for
um scenes that don't go far enough. And
a lot of times I'll have some scary
scene that I've done in the first draft
and I'm looking at it and I I I think I
can make this scarier. I have it down
already. I can just take what I have,
but I can increase the horror. I can
slow it down. I can add this. I can add
more feeling. I can have the kid more
scared than I It should be more. And I
usually do that almost in every
manuscript when I go through the second
time because you have something to look
at. You've got a base here and then you
can build on it.
You've done a first draft and then
you've gone through, you've done a
second draft and you've caught
everything and you've read it and
thought about it more. You've got your
second draft. Then find someone who's
willing to read it. Find someone who
likes to read, someone who's maybe whose
opinion you trust. Um, find somebody, a
family member, somebody who who will
read it. If you you have somebody who's
willing to read your manuscript, ask
them after they read it, ask them what
did you think of the characters? Which
characters did you like? Did you did it
did it seem real? Did the characters
seem real? And how was the pacing? Do
you think it dragged in some places?
What did you think? Was there any place
you didn't believe? Anything you didn't
believe? What did you think? What did
you think of the action? That's those
are the basic questions you want to ask.
After a second draft, find someone. A
lot of people have readers or they have
reader clubs. A lot of writers I know
have first readers and they just they do
it for fun or they they pay people to
say just give me an opinion. Ask someone
in your family who likes to read. Find
somebody who and just say give me an
opinion and it'll help. I you know when
you're starting out you don't have an
editor you don't have someone to tell
you go through it line by line but to
get an opinion on your first draft just
someone who says gee I loved the first
part and then it kind of dipped off or
someone who says oh gee I I that
character just wasn't likable at all I
didn't want to like that person and that
kind of help even though it's not coming
from a professional it still give you a
clue clue as to what people are going to
think about what you've written.
I think everyone hates to revise,
but I know I maybe I'm a bad example. I
don't know. I love I love it when I hand
in a manuscript and they they'll change
a couple words and say, "That's good,
Bob. We're sending it on to the
publisher." I love that. There's no
where there's no revising,
but and and this happens a lot more in
adult publishing than in children's
publishing. In children's publishing,
you really get edited, but a lot of
people, a lot of writers want to revise.
They're ready. They're eager to revise
and they they sort of depend on
revising. And I know a lot of my friends
who are writers are very disappointed if
the manuscript comes back and the editor
hasn't suggested a lot of revisions.
They kind of feel cheated and they kind
of feel that maybe it's it needs to be
edited and why didn't the editor do
that? And I know I have writer friends
now who before they send it to the
publisher hire editors. They hire their
own editors personally to go through and
so they make sure it's edited and then
after they do that then they send it to
the publisher. But I I have to say it's
it's not as much as I hate it. It's
always worth it. I've never had a book
never had a book come out worse after
revision.
They always come out better.
There are some major authors who refuse
to be edited. Some some of the real best
sellers and they've just told their
editors, I'm sorry, you have to print,
you have to publish what I hand in. And
um I'm I won't talk about who they are,
but uh their their work has really
suffered. I notice it. I notice their
books aren't as good.
I'm married to my editor and she's a
very tough editor and I once handed in,
this is true, I once handed in a
manuscript and it came back from her
with two words at the top. It said
psychotic ramblings.
That was it. So, I had a lot of trouble
with that book. I know a lot of people
are really sensitive and I my advice to
writers, advice to people taking this
course is don't be sensitive. Don't you
you have to know yourself and you've got
to say you got to be confident and say I
like what I wrote. I I I like what I
this is what I meant to write and do it.
I I'm I'm just twisted because I get a
lot of bad reviews. I get more bad
reviews. My my very first book came out,
my first horror book, and Publishers
Weekly said it was stomach churning.
And they didn't mean it in a good way.
They That was not a compliment. But bad
reviews always make me laugh. I don't
know why. I always It's funny. I don't
It It doesn't bother me. It abs It just
I It like washes off. And I saw a lot of
people aren't going to like what I do,
but I I like I like my books. I maybe
that's my big failing as an author is
that I like everything I write. I'm
happy with what I've done. I'm not
miserable about it. I'm not worried
about, oh, I could have been so much
better. And that's probably a real
failure of mine. But help it helps a
lot. makes life a lot easier and not to
take criticism, you know, and I I would
take real criticism from editors or from
people who've read the book. I I would
certainly take it seriously, but bad
reviews, bad reviews don't bother me at
all. Here's my best review. This is the
best review I ever got. My best Amazon
review. Want to hear it?
This is my best Amazon review. Five
stars.
The packaging was really good and it was
very easy to open.
That's a great review, right? Five
stars.
This is bad for my horror image, but one
of my favorite writers is PG Woodhouse,
who wrote the Jeves and Worooster books
and a whole lot of other books. And I
just I' I've read well, he he wrote 92
books and he lived to be 92 and he wrote
92 novels and they were all exactly the
same. They all took place in the same
world. They all took this wonderful
world you want to be in. They're all the
same zany characters and book after book
basically the same same plots. And I
love them. And I think when you're
writing something, you have to think
about that and think about how are you
going to get people to feel that way
about you? How are you going to get
people to think, gee, I want to read the
next one? I wanna I want to be back in
that world. And as a series writer, I
mean, that's what you try to do. That's
why you write a series. You want people
to like the world you created so much
that they'll come back.
I think readers like series because they
know what to expect. They're going to go
back in the world that they know. They
know exactly what's going to happen in
the book, but it's going to be a little
different. They they know they like
these characters. And I think this is
why they series have always been
popular. But as far as writing a series,
I I would say don't count on it. Don't
don't start out by thinking you'd want
to do a series. I say let's say you have
a book that really catches on. you have
uh some characters that people really
like and the first book is a bestseller,
then think about doing a sequel, do
doing a second one, then think about
maybe I can keep going with these
characters. Maybe I can keep going with
these stories and then have it develop
into a series. But I think it's very
hard these days, especially to start out
saying, "I'm going to do a series."
Publishers aren't looking for series and
it's kind of a dead end for beginners
and for people publishers
they don't want series anymore. In 1992
we took Goosebumps to Scholastic and we
said we'd like to do this scary series.
Here's a bunch of titles we'd like to
try a scary series for 7 to 12 year
olds. And they said all right well let's
try it out. We'll buy four of them.
Let's start out with four. That would
never happen today.
No one buys more than one book or maybe
two. It just doesn't happen.
It's publishing has just changed. And
they're much more careful and much more
much more costconscious. And they're not
going to buy 12 books unseen without
knowing. They're going to buy one and
see how it does. And if the first one
catches on, then they'll buy another one
and try that.
And the thing is with Goosebumps, if if
if we had tried it today, it never would
have worked. We put out the first
Goosebumps, no one noticed it. We put
out the second one, there were two of
them, no one they sat on the shelves.
And today with the bookstores with
computers and everything, they would
have been gone. But when we got four
books out and there were four of them on
the shelf, suddenly kids found them.
Somehow kids discovered them. But it
took four and that's very hard to get
anyone to do four books these days.
After four books, kids just started
telling other kids. There's a secret
kids network of kids talking to kids.
And there was no advertising for
Goosebumps. No hype of any kind. No one
really knew me. It was just kids just
finding it and liking it and then
telling other kids. And I think that's
how all book crazes get started. Harry
Potter I think started the same way.
Hunger Games, Twilight, you can't force
kids to buy books. And advertising
doesn't get them to buy books either.
They have to they like it and tell each
other.
So it's very hard to talk these days
about starting a series.
There are two types of book series of
course. one is the easier kind I think
where you have a character you have
Harry you know Harry Potter and he's
going to be this it's going to be the
same cast in all seven books or it's
going to be um any book series almost
every book series it's the same cast and
the same kids or the same people and the
author can then develop them and turn
them into real characters and readers
get to like those characters and readers
get to identify with them and look
forward to seeing them in book after
book. I don't do that. I I make
everything hard for myself. And
Goosebumps is what's called an anthology
series in that it's a diff it's sort of
like the Twilight Zone. Every episode is
completely different. I The Goosebumps
books don't continue. You don't have to
read them in any particular order. And
that's one nice thing about an anthology
series. You can come in anywhere. You
don't you're not following the same
people. Um I start over again with every
book. I have to come up with a whole new
cast of characters, a whole new
situation. Usually a whole new location.
Everything is new. It's like just
starting over, like doing individual
books, but doing them one after the
other after the other, which is I I
enjoy that. I like that. But it's it's a
lot harder. I think
when you're thinking of creating a
series, it's an important thing to think
about creating your world and creating
something if you're interested in a
series that people will want to a place
uh feeling um just a location anything
that people will want to come back to.
The Goosebumps world is basically
everyone's backyard. It's everyone's
kitchen. It all It's very suburban for
one thing. The world is very suburban.
And I when I picture it, I kind of
picture um my neighborhood back in
Columbus when I was a kid. And I try I
just do that suburban kind of thing
because I think most kids can identify
with it. They can see what it looks
like. They know what it is. and it's a
world they can come back to and come
back to. I live in New York City. I've
been a New Yorker for years and years,
but I've never written one about New
York City because I think kids, it's
hard to picture New York. If you haven't
been there, if you haven't spent some
time in New York City, I think very hard
for a kid to just picture what it is.
And but it would be harder to write too
so that they would be able to see it.
But with a nice backyard, a suburb, a
nice block of houses, they walk to
school. That's a world that they can
enter really easily and quickly and a
world they want to come back. They
identify with and come back to.
The Goosebumps universe is not like the
Marvel universe. It doesn't hang
together at all, but it's everything's
all separate. It's all crazy. Take the
the Monster Blood books. Sometimes it's
blue, sometimes it's green. I'm I I'm
not consistent about it, but I try to
be, you know, it's important to be
consistent in every book inside the
book, but I I don't really follow that
kind of rule where it has to be the same
every single time. And I think there are
some books where monster blood comes out
of the jar and comes out and has other
powers that it didn't have in the
earlier books, things like that. I'm not
I don't know. I'm not big on consistency
at all. But the here's the big rule, and
I this I guess this is good advice.
You don't mix ghosts and werewolves.
You don't mix. You never mix two things
together. You always do one or the
other. You don't You can't mix ghosts
and invisible. That's what my editors
always tell me. You can't mix. And when
I do it, you know, without realizing it,
they write on the thing. You can't mix
ghosts and invisible. You can't do both.
The story's not going to work.
I will tell you the origin of
Goosebumps. And of course, it's like
many of my stories. It's embarrassing.
I was doing Fear Street, the teen
series. And it was we were doing Fear
Street every other month or so, killing
off teenagers. And it was doing really
well. It was a very successful YA
series. Eventually, we sold 80 million
Fear Street books. It was just doing
great. And my editors came to me and
said, "You know, no one has ever done a
scary book series for 7 to 12 year olds.
We should try one." And I said, "No, I'm
not interested."
That's the kind of businessman I am,
right? I didn't want to do Goosebumps.
And they said, "No, we should try it."
And I said, "No, it'll mess up Fear
Street. the younger audience, the kids
will get confused. It'll I didn't want
to do it. And they kept after me and
kept after me. And finally, I said,
"Okay, if I can think of a good title
for the series, maybe we can try a few."
And I was one day I was reading TV Guide
magazine. And in those days, in the
middle of the magazine, they had all the
TV listings, everything that was on that
day for a week. And I'm just thumbming
through the TV listings and just going
through. And there on the bottom of a
page is a little tiny ad. And it says,
"It's Goosebumps Week on Channel 11.
They were showing scary movies." And I
just stared at the ad. I just stared at
it. And I thought I knew this is
perfect. We'll call it channel 11.
That's a really bad joke, isn't it? Now
I have to apologize. I apologize for
that joke. But no, that's that's where
the name came from. There it was. And I
knew it was perfect. Goosebumps. It's
funny and it's scary, right? And so I
said, "Okay, we've got a good name for
it. We'll try a couple." That was 25
years ago.
In the beginning, I wrote a bunch of
individual novels, uh, horror novels.
The very first ones I ever wrote, Blind
Date, Twisted, I did one called Beach
House, uh, a bunch of novels. And we
were trying to figure out how to do a
series, how do you do a horror series
and that people will want to come back
to again and again? And no one had ever
really done a teen horror series.
And we thought, well, we'll have these
two kids, these two teenagers, and
they'll move somewhere and ter it'll be
terrible things will happen to them. And
then you realize you can't have the same
two kids in a horror series. If this
these poor kids over and over again,
they have these horrifying adventures.
It just no one would buy it. Who would
believe that? So then we thought, well,
it's got to be the location. If we have
a scary location, then we have any
number of uh characters can come in and
out and it'll make more sense. And then
we thought, what if there was like a
normal town and
it was just a a normal small town,
but one street in that town was cursed.
One street had a totally evil history
and anyone who moved to that street or
walked on it or went over there for some
reason went over what if terrible things
would happen and the horror would take
place over there and that's how we got
and then I sat down um I said we need a
name for the we need a name for it this
is a good idea because you can if if
it's just a place you can do a hundred
books
and you know all different characters
and and you could create the history of
the street. Why was it cursed? Why what
was the evil on that street? And I said
try to think of a name for it. And I sat
down with a yellow pad. So I was going
to try to think of a name for this
series. And I wrote Fear Street.
Just came to me. It was Fear Street.
That would be the street. And then there
would be the fear family. It was cursed
because of the fear family. And then we
started to create a whole history of how
evil the fear family was. What horrible
people they were and how what dark
powers they had and a rivalry that they
had with the good family. Go O. The good
family. Going back to witchcraft times.
going back to colonial times and the
terrible things that happened and
burnings and and we created a whole
history of that went back of generation
to generation of fears of the fear
family and all ending up on this street
where and then we wrote characteristics
of the street. We figured this all out.
We had it all. No, there's a big woods,
the Fear Street woods. No birds would
ever go into the Fear Street woods.
And that was this was part of the
legend. And in the early days, three
girls were found in dead in the woods.
Three little girls were found and their
bones were missing,
just their skin. And no one ever knew
what happened or how that could happen.
And that was part of the legend, part of
the legacy.
Somehow it goes hand in hand. If you
want to be a writer, you probably are a
good reader. But I find that the more I
read, I read a lot of thrillers and a
lot of mysteries. And it it really helps
my writing. um not by stealing things or
by taking ideas, you see, but just sort
of by osmosis. When you see how people
say things and how they how they write
and just just the different writing
styles, you kind of absorb it. I think
most writers love to read. I if I do I
read all the time. I read every day. I
try to read all the new fiction and I'd
read hor I read some horror novels,
mostly mysteries and thrillers. I was an
English major in college and read all
the great stuff and it has to affect you
and it's a lot of it stays with you. So
I and I think when you start to write,
it's perfectly fine to remember those
things you loved, those things you read,
and to use them, to go on and develop
them in a different way. It's sort of to
borrow what they did.
I'm a big borrower. I you know I one
thing I write so many books and I need
so many ideas so I rely on the things
I've seen and the things I've read. Um I
was going to I've never written a
Christmas book and um an editor at
McMillan asked me let's do a Christmas
book and I thought I was thinking
immediately I thought well I I hadn't
done it because Christmas isn't scary.
It's not, you know, it's not really
doesn't seem appropriate time for
horror. But then I realized that the
most popular Christmas book of all is a
ghost story, the Dickens story, you
know, Christmas Carol. And it that's a
ghost story. And I thought, oh, okay.
Well, what okay, I will do that. Why
not? Why not, you know, steal from the
best, right? And take from Dickens. And
I wrote a book called Young Scrooge
and it's about Scrooge. I took the
character as a 12-year-old
and he's the biggest bully in school.
He's just a horrible bully and the I
have the ghosts. I have the whole story
and he's 12year-old Scrooge. But that
was something borrowing from um a
classic. I wrote a um a teen horror
novel called A Midsummer Night Scream.
So I Shakespeare is useful, too.
I'll tell you a story about a librarian
who actually changed my life.
Um, I grew up in Columbus, Ohio, in this
little community in Columbus, Ohio. And
one day my mom dropped me off at the
library. We had a little library on Main
Street. And I walked in and the
librarian
knew me. And she said, "Bobby, I know
you like comic books." And that's
actually all I read as a kid. I only
read comic books and these horror and
funny comics. She said, "I know you like
comic books.
I have something I think you'll like."
And she took me over to a shelf of Ray
Bradberry stories.
And I couldn't believe these stories. I
They were so creative and so beautifully
written that I just I was like blown
away by them. They all had great funny
endings and they were just just what I
liked and they were Ray Bradberry really
and that librarian really turned me into
a reader. Kids always ask me to
recommend a scary book and I always
recommend Ray Bradbury's book Something
Wicked This Way Comes and I it's a
wonderful book, a very influential book
on me. It's about a boy in the Midwest
who sneaks out of his house late at
night and he goes a couple blocks down
the street to where a carnival is
setting up and he gets involved with the
carnival and it turns out to be the most
evil carnival on earth and it's turns
horrifying and it's what I grew up in
the Midwest of course and I could
identify with this boy and creeping out
of the house at night and when you read
something wonderful like that. It gives
you all kinds of ideas. I get all kinds
of ideas for doing amusement park
stories and carnival stories and going
out late at night. Taking those elements
that he'd put together, Bradberry, so
perfectly many years later,
I had a chance to meet Ray Bradberry.
And this was I mean, he was so important
in my life. I mean, I was nine or 10
years old and he he turned me into a
reader and I was at the LA Times Book
Festival in Los Angeles and there was
Ray Bradberry sitting in a booth eating
a hot dog was in a publishers booth and
my wife said, "Go say hello to him. Go
say hi." I said, "No, I Oh, I can't I
couldn't do it. It was like it was too
much. I'm I'm kind of shy anyway." And
she said, "Oh, no, I couldn't." I said,
and Jane said, "Well, you're he's so
important to you. He played such a big
part in you. You have to say hello to
him. You have to go over." So, I went
over to him. And I was shaking like a
kid. I was like a kid. And I was so
nervous. And I shook hand I turned over
and I said, "Mr. Bradberry, you're my
hero." and he turned around and he shook
hands and he said, "Well, you're a hero
to a lot of other people."
It was this amazing moment. When he said
that, I just burst out crying.
It was too nice, you know. It was too
nice. Then I got myself together and we
had a really nice conversation. It was
like what an incredible thing to happen.
And I when I talk and give talks or
things I always say that's the kind of
moment that I would wish for all writers
to have. It was just this overwhelmingly
wonderful thing for him to say.
I've read every book Agatha Christie
ever wrote and she was not a a fabulous
writer but she was an amazing
storyteller and amazingly clever at
coming up with plots and it's just
inspiring to read these books and see
how clever these plots are and I've used
many of them many of them because you
know and adapted them for kids I
remember one where there was a big party
and everyone was sitting around a round
table
and it was at a nightclub
and they got up to dance. They all got
up to dance. Then they came back, they
sat back down at the table and they had
champagne toasts and they drank the
champagne and one of them dropped dead.
There was cyanide in the champagne
and you spend the whole mystery trying
to find out who would kill this person,
who would do that, who would put
cyanide. I'm going to spoil the book
now, but who would put cyanide in their
drink? And the, you know, detective is
trying to find out what's the motive,
why they would do it. And it turns out
that when the people came back to the
table, this round table, they didn't
take the same seats. They moved over one
and the wrong person got murdered. So
you spent the whole book trying to
investigate the wrong person. It's just
brilliant and so simple.
Stephen King's Pet Cemetery. That is the
creepiest book I ever read. I think I
always think that may be the creepiest
book. And I what a wonderful plot that
is. And then you read it and then you
think, well, what can I how can I use
something like that? How can I You can
just You're inspired by it. Um the basic
premise of pet cemetery
of taking your dog and who's died to
this place and reviving the dog to bring
something back to life is really creepy.
And the whole idea is but you've done it
and it's a wonderful success. Everyone's
happy the dog is back but the dog isn't
the same. the dog is really evil now.
He's come back from a very bad place.
Um, that's just so clever and it's it's
a terrifying thing to think about. First
of all, bringing someone dead back to
life. For 30 years, I never met Stephen
King. I'm Stephen King for kids, right?
And for 30 years, I say no, I've never
met him. And then uh last the year
before last, I met him at the Edgar
Awards in New York. We were both there.
I saw him across the room and he came
over
and we had a nice talk and he said, "But
he accused me." He said, "You've stolen
every theme park idea anyone could
have." He said, "You haven't left
anything for the rest of us. There's no
amusement park thing you've done." And
uh I I took that as a compliment. And I
said to him, I said, "Steve, do you know
that a magazine once called me a
training bra for you?
They called me a literary training bra
for Stephen King." And he said, "Yes, I
know.
If you think you want to be a writer, I
there's one thing I think it's really
important and it's very basic thing. You
have to actually like to write. There
are I don't know. I I'm I was an odd
kid. I was weird. When I was 9 years
old, I was in my room typing. I was
writing. I was like driven to it. I have
no idea why. And I think if if you
really want to be a writer, you have to
like the process of writing. If you
think if you want to do it because it's
easy or you like being alone all day or
you want to be famous or you want your
books to become movies, that's probably
not a good idea because it probably
won't work out.
I think very early on you have to decide
what kind of writer you want to be. Um,
I always wanted to entertain people. I
started out writing funny books and then
the scary books came along and my whole
goal was just to just to entertain to
get kids to read. It was reading
motivation to show kids that it could be
entertaining. You could turn to books
and just be entertained and nothing
else. And I had no further ambition than
that. I wanted to be a commercial
writer.
And I think you have to figure out
whether you want to do that thing or if
you have literary ambitions and you want
to write something that's more for
yourself than for an audience. Ken Flet,
the novelist Ken Flet um told me a great
story
on this subject. He was having a phone
conversation with another author, a very
literary author, very artistic, very
serious author.
And the author said to Ken, um,
I only write for myself.
I don't write for the audience. I only
want to please one person. That's me.
And when I write, I write everything
just for me.
And Ken said, 'Well, that's why you are
a great writer and I'm rich.
When you're starting out as a writer, I
think before you start thinking about
your audience and who they are, you want
to pick specifically. You have to figure
out how are you going to figure out what
you want to write.
You don't you're not going to just sit
down and start writing a novel about
something. You I you have to think about
what you're interested in for one thing
or what do you read? Do you read a lot
of science fiction?
So maybe that's what you want to write.
You you're going to you want to write
about what you're really interested in.
Do you read a lot of romances and do you
find those really fun? So maybe you want
to try one. That's what that's what you
want to write. And then once you figure
out what genre you want to write, then
you can start thinking about the
audience and thinking about who these
people are who are going to want to read
it. Maybe there are people just like
you. But I think it's really important
if if you're drawn to something to
figure out what you want to do, what
audience you want. Who's your audience?
Do you want to write for adults? Do you
want to write for a big general
audience? Do you want to write for um
someone who's a literary audience? Try
to figure out what you want to do first.
Once you figured out what genre you want
to write in, whether you you want to
write romances or you want to write
funny books or you want to write
westerns, go out, go to the bookstores,
go online and see what's already there.
It's so important, I think, to know the
market first, to know what people are
reading. Look at what people are reading
to know where your book, if you have an
idea for a book, where will it go in the
store. Don't try to do something that
won't fit in somewhere. Don't try to
write something that will be its own
category because that almost never
works. I think a lot of people would
probably criticize that advice and say
you don't want to think about the
marketing part first. You want to just
write something you like. But if you
start out and write something that
no one's going to know what it is or no
bookstore is going to know where to
place it, you're going to have a lot of
problems. My very first book was called
How to be funny.
And it was a kids book. It was about how
to get big laughs at the dinner table
and how to crack up your class. And
parents hated this book. They hated it.
But once um I was it was my first book
and I was excited and I went into a
bookstore and I said, "Do you have How
to be funny?" And he said, "Oh yes,
that's in theater arts. They put it they
didn't put it with they it's how to be
funny. They put it in theater arts." And
after that I always thought it's very
important to be very clear about where
your book should go and about what
you're doing. And uh people might think
that's crass advice, but I don't think
so. I think it's a good head start.
I grew up in Ohio and I thought at the
time if you wanted to be a writer, you
had to live in New York City. So right
at I thought you had no choice. That's
where you had to live. So right after
college, I moved to New York. I drove to
New York. I drove my little car. I came
I got an apartment in the village. I on
the corner of Waverly Place and Waverly
Place. That was where my apartment was.
And my very first job in New York was
writing for six movie magazines.
Um I was this woman had six movie
magazines that she had to fill up every
month. And there were three of us
writers and we would go to her apartment
and write and fill up to fill up these
movie magazines. And we'd come in in the
morning and she'd say, "Do an interview
with Diana Ross." I'd say, "Fine. Okay.
Type type type. Type and make up an
interview." And then she'd say, "Do an
interview with the Beatles." Okay. This
was back, you know, then. I say, "Okay."
Type type. Write. And I would write two
or three interviews a day making up
everything would make up the whole
thing.
And that's how that was the job. And it
was actually was a very creative job and
it was very useful for later on because
I learned how to write really fast and I
had learned how to imagine dialogue
because I had to make up uh everything
with these stars.
That job didn't last very long, but it
was it was a you know that was fun and
also I think very good training. But I
went from job to job, got these writing
jobs and then I ended up at at
Scholastic doing social studies
magazines and I would do my work at
Scholastic in the morning and then I
would sit there and write in the
afternoon.
That might be one reason why they fired
me. I don't know. But I did I would get
my work done and get it done so that I
could get back to my writing and I would
do my writing in the afternoon. And if
you can find something, it's hard, but
if you can find a job that gives you
time and doesn't take all your energy
away and gives you time to write even in
the evening, um I that's that's
certainly what I would recommend.
always say yes. Say yes to everything.
Um
I wouldn't have this career if I didn't
have that policy. Um when I was starting
out as a freelancer, I said yes to
everything. I was writing. I wrote
Bazooka Joe comic jokes, the bubblegum
jokes. I wrote G.I. Joe books, even
though I've never seen a gun. I've never
had I had, you know, I wrote G.I. Joe. I
wrote Mighty Mouse and Rocky and
Bullwinkle coloring books. You know,
there's that line at the bottom of every
coloring book. I wrote those. It's a
great job. I've got $500 a coloring book
and I'd write these. I said yes.
Everyone, anything people asked, I'd be
writing. I did a humor magazine for 10
years called Bananas.
and which was my life's dream. And when
the magazine folded, I went home and I
thought I would coast the rest of my
life. I just I thought that was it. I've
done it. I've had my humor magazine. I
didn't know what was in store. And one
day I was having lunch with my friend
Jean Fwell, who was uh at the time
editorial director at Scholastic.
And Jean had just had a fight with a
writer
who wrote um young adult horror. He
wrote teen horror novels. And she sat
down to lunch and she said, "I'm never
working with him again. You could write
a good teen horror novel. Go home, write
a book called Blind Date." She gave me
the title, everything. And I didn't know
what she was talking about. What did she
mean teen horror novel? I said, "Yes,
sure." I always say, "Yes, yes, sure. No
problem." And then I went running to the
bookstore to find out who, you know, and
I read Christopher Pike and Lois Duncan
and all these Richie Tankers Lee Cusk,
all these other people who were writing
teen horror so I could find out what it
was. But if I had if I'd say to her,
"Well, Jean, I don't really know what
you're talking about. It's, you know,
I'm a funny guy. I write jokes. I don't
write horror. If I had done that,
instead of saying yes, I wouldn't have
had this whole career. None of it would
have happened. So that's why I always
tell people anyway, I wrote I wrote that
book, Blind Date, and it came out. It
was a number one bestseller.
And I was like shocked. What do you
mean? I I'd never been close to a
bestseller list. A year later, I wrote a
second book called Twisted
Horror, Teen Horror. again, number one
bestseller. And I thought, forget the
funny stuff. I'm going to be scary. I'm
going to be scary from now on. And that
just that came from, you know, from
saying yes. And I just about everything
that's happened to me has been so an
accident. It something that I didn't
plan. The whole thing of writing for
kids was wasn't anything that I had
planned. But by saying yes to all these
possibilities
um
it it worked out
Well, most children's book authors
cultivate a fan base by doing school
visits. You might start out just locally
or you might have your publisher find
schools for you to visit um and do
classroom visits or assemblies of the
whole school. Um and it's a this is a
wonderful way. It's what a nice thing
that kids are all together all the time.
Adults aren't adult adults aren't in
school. kids are so much easier to reach
because they're all together and then
they can talk to each other and they can
tell each other about books and that's a
wonderful thing for a kids author. So, I
would always say start with the schools.
You know, school visits are so much more
effective than bookstore appearances as
far as familiarizing yourself to
readers. The other thing to look for
when you have a when you actually have a
book out and you're ready to sell it and
you're ready to show it to people and
you want people to know about it is to
look at all the book fairs that take
place all around the country. There are
many of them, many of them. And many of
them look for authors.
U the Miami book fair, the Tucson Book
Fair, which is really good and has 300
authors. The LA Times Book Festival has
over 300 authors come. Uh there are many
local the um Tampa St. Petersburg book
festival and with a lot of Florida
authors come there. They're always over
and it's a great way to be there, appear
there, sign books there, appear with
other authors, go on panels. Um, these
book festivals, I think, are invaluable
and just a great way to introduce
yourself and to be around other authors
and to meet the crowds. Most children's
books are bought by parents and
librarians. So, it's it's nice to be
able to get in touch and find get them
to know find ways to let them know that
your book is out there because that's
kids. Most kids don't buy their own
books uh unless it's a school book fair
or a school book club or something like
that. And even then the parents are
involved. So it's very important to try
to reach parents and teachers and
librarians um as much as you can.
I use social media a lot and I think
more and more authors find that they
really need to do this to get out the
word about their books. I'm on Twitter
and Facebook and Instagram. But I enjoy
all that. I mean that's really fun for
me. But even for authors who don't enjoy
it that much, it's very important.
Partly because in a lot of um
publishers, the marketing department and
the publicity departments have been cut
back and a lot of publishers expect you
to do your own marketing. They expect
you to do your own publicity and they
expect you to have your Facebook page
for to sell your book and your Twitter
and they they want you to do it. And the
nice thing is that having those things
helps. It really does help you sell
books. I'm on Twitter all the time and
I'm always thinking, am I selling too
much? Am I using it too much for
marketing? So, I do a lot of other
stuff. I make sure that I don't just
say, "Hey, this book is still available.
Hey, only 12 shopping days till
Christmas. Here, buy Young Scrooge." I
make sure that I don't just do that. I
put a lot of funny stuff on Twitter and
a lot of other news and talk a lot and
talk to people. There's some authors who
only market on Twitter and only put
nice comments they got and retweet those
and put their book covers on. And I do a
lot of that, but I try to disguise it by
doing a lot of other things so it
doesn't look like I'm just selling all
the time. It's a fine balance. I think I
write stories live on Twitter. I do. I
sit down and say, "I'm going to write a
story for you now." And I'll write a
story 140 character story and write
stories on Twitter. And I also I I love
I do Q&A sessions on Twitter where I'll
say, "I'm going to be around for the
next half hour. Does anyone have a
question for me?" And those work very
well. People really like it. And it's a
great way to hear what's on the reader's
mind and what they're interested in and
what they want to know about. I love
doing that. And it's so easy to do on
Twitter. Just say, "Here I am. What do
you want to know?" Uh there are no kids
on Twitter. They're all 20 and 30somes
and they're they're the ones who grew up
with goosebumps. And it's so great to
have a forum to have a place where they
all are where I can hear from them and
talk to them. And I I so I spend a lot
of time, but my most popular tweet, this
is my most popular tweet. Thousands of
likes, thousands of all the things I've
written. Are you ready? Here it is.
Shakira. Shakira.
That's it. That was the whole tweet.
Thousands of likes. Why? I have no idea.
No idea.
Everyone asks about writer's block. This
is like after they say where do you get
your ideas? They say what do you do
about writer's block? And I've never had
it. Which I think is partly luck. Think
I'm just lucky. I can always sit down
and write always. Sometimes I know the
writing isn't any good. Sometimes I feel
like I'm riding uphill and it's just
it's not right. It's not right. But I
keep going because I know I'm going to
go back and fix it. I can always go
back, but you have to just keep going
forward. I think what I do to make
writing easier is I divide things up. I
don't sit down and I don't I'm not
writing and I have to figure out what my
characters look like or figure out their
personality while I'm in the middle of
the plot. I start out with a complete
list of my characters, what they look
like, what their basic personalities
are. Then I have my outline. The outline
has the beginning of the book, the
middle, it's got the ending. I know
where I'm going to go. If you have an
outline, it's very hard to have writer's
block because you know where to go next.
And if you're having trouble with one
chapter, it's not coming, it's not
coming, go on to the next chapter and
write that one and then go back. But I I
think the real key and I worry about
writers who don't plan ahead. They don't
want to know. They want to they want to
write spontaneously. And there are a lot
of them. But I worry about them in
writer's block because you can reach a
point if you haven't planned it out, you
can reach a point where you don't know
where to go next. But that never happens
to me because of the outline. So I would
say the more complete your preparation
is, the easier it is to finish the book
and the harder it is to get writer's
block. The more preparation you do, the
more you're going to be fine when you
write the book.
I'm like a machine when it comes to
writing. I don't know. And I I would
hope that other people have the same
feeling and the same. I I I'll tell you
my routine. And I really recommend this
kind maybe not the hours that I do but
to be able to
stick to it every day and to keep at it
and to like it's make it almost like
factory work where you're there you're
you're doing peace work you're doing it
you're getting it done you're getting it
done and I would hope uh people who want
to be writers I it's a good thing to aim
for that kind of discipline I think or
maybe It's crazy. I mean, you'd have to
be really crazy to write 300 books,
right? I don't know. But I'm there every
day and I I I still, you know, after 25
years of Goosebumps, whatever, I sit
down maybe 9:30 in the morning and I
start to write. I have my outline. I'm
all set. I have the outline of the book.
I'm I write this book. I every day I
write 2,000 words, which is about 10
pages. Everyone used to go by pages. Now
in publishing, because of the computer
tells you the words, everyone goes by
words. And so Goosebumps books have to
be 23,000 words. But I set a goal for
myself every morning. Today I'm going to
write 2500 words. And then I don't get
up till I've done it. I maybe I'll take
15 minutes to have a sandwich, but then
I'm back at it. And when I hit my 2,000
words, I quit. Doesn't matter where I
am, where I am in the story. I hit 2,000
words, I quit. And it's kind of a trick
that I use because it makes it so much
easier to start up again the next day. I
haven't finished a chapter. I'm not at
the end of a chapter. I'm in the middle
of something. So when I sit down the
next day, I don't have to start all over
again.
I don't have to do much thinking. I'm in
the middle of something already. And you
know, we talk about writer's block. You
can't have writer's block if you're
already in the middle of a scene. And
that so just about every morning I'll
come in and I'll be in the middle of
something. So I can keep writing. And I
write till about it takes me
till 2:30, 3:00 in the afternoon. Not
bad hours, right? And then I can feel my
brain start to just fade away. And so I
know I four hours is like a good time
for me. And you have to kind of figure
out you you it's pretty easy to figure
out what you know when you're finished.
I get a lot of letters from parents now
and a lot of tweets saying, "Oh, my son
loved the Goosebumps movie and they saw
you writing on a typewriter, so I had to
buy them a typewriter." And they send me
picture and there's their kids. They're
writing on a typewriter. I can't It's
hard to believe. It's actually It's very
funny, but yeah, you know, I I can't
believe I wrote maybe a hundred books on
typewriter. I don't know how how did we
ever revise? How did anyone revise on a
typewriter?
So, I work on a a laptop and work I
write all my story all all my books on
um
MacBook Pro and um except for my
outlines
which I cannot do on a computer. I this
is very mysterious. Very mysterious. I
something in the brain. But I have to
plot on a yellow pad. I have to use a
yellow pad. Everyone has these kind of
idiosyncrasies, I think. And I think if
you decide that you want to outline, you
should try both ways and see which way.
Maybe when you're writing it yourself,
you're closer to the story and it's
slower, so you have more time to think
cuz writing is so much slower than
typing. You know, I um
I started typing when I was 9 years old.
I had this old Remington typewriter in
my room and I typing away, but I never
learned how to type. And I'm totally
left-handed
and I don't use my right hand for
anything. Now, I use my right hand for
the mouse, but I never learned how to
type. And I only use one finger, not
even two fingers. And I have written,
this is true, I've written 300 books
with this finger. And look, look at it.
Look, it's totally bent. It's totally
cur. This is what I sacrificed for my
art. The finger is totally ruined. It's
my typing finger.
300 books with that finger.
The finger goes, that's the career.
That's it.
I had a a friend who wrote teen horror
back in the '9s. She was quite popular.
And to write her teen horror, she had
have very creepy music playing. She had
candles lit all over the room
and she wrote on a haunted desk.
She's claimed her desk was haunted. She
had to write on a haunted desk. She
needed eerie music and the wrote by
candle light.
And I can write anywhere really. I don't
need any of that. I have a a room in my
apartment in New York that I share with
my dog and um I come in and I sit down
and I do need quiet. I can't write with
music on. I don't I you know it's a
shame but I I don't I need quiet and I
don't need anything else and I really
can write anywhere. I'm not I can write
I used to write on an airplane or write
in a hotel room. I um I I don't have any
problems with that that but that's I
don't need any atmosphere. I don't need
anything I don't need anything special.
Now I have to say all all that I've said
about writing and planning and enjoying
it and if you want to be a writer you've
really got to love writing and
everything there. There are a lot of
really successful authors who would
totally disagree with me and totally the
opposite of me.
Uh the great thriller writer Harlon
Cobin is a friend of mine. And Harlon,
but we never talk about writing. We
just, you know, we talk about the kids
and everything. And uh one evening
Harlon and I did an evening at Barnes &
Noble in New York City. And it was an
author conversation, just the two of us.
And we talked about writing. And in that
conversation, we discovered that we have
nothing in common at all. That
everything that we do is completely
different. I I sit down every day. I
love to write. I sit down and write
every morning. Harlon has to force
himself to write. He has to scream at
himself. He says he has to berate
himself. He has to call himself all
kinds of names so that he to get himself
to write. I have an office. I have a
room in my apartment where I work.
Harlon can't work at home. He has to go
out to a coffee shop somewhere. He has
to be out with people. I have to have
like quiet. I'm, you know, I'm quiet.
I'm in my room with the dog. I'm sitting
there. Harlon has to have music going.
He has to have this Har I outline every
book I write. I do a complete outline
chapter by Harlon never plans, never
does an outline, never every single
thing we noticed as we were talking that
we are exactly the opposite. So I what
does that mean? I don't know. I you know
I I can only tell you what I can tell
you what works for me.
Here's something a little extra for you.
And I put this up on the masterclass
resources page and you can download it
and print it out and look at it and
think about it or not or whatever. I put
down 20 scary story ideas that you can
use for kids. You can feel free take any
one of them. Use them all. Put them
whatever you want to do. These are 20
ideas. A lot of them I've done. A lot of
them you can take and do in different
ways. You can do whatever you want. I
said earlier that I really I can't
really I can't I can tell you how to go
about finding ideas, but I can't really
tell you how to get an idea your own.
But here are 20 ideas you can use and
see if if anything strikes you as as
interesting or useful. Okay, here we
are. One, a creepy doll comes to life.
Two, a scene from a nightmare comes true
the next day. Three, days go by and your
parents don't come home.
Four, you feel yourself slowly becoming
a monster.
Five, your friends start to disappear
and no one else notices.
Six, you are lost in the woods and don't
know how you got there.
Seven, you are inhabited by a ghost that
controls you and makes you do crazy
things. I like that one.
I've written it about six times.
Um, eight. You have no reflection in the
mirror. Nine. The teacher is a monster,
but no one will believe you. 10. You
hypnotize your brother and you can't
snap him out of it.
Wishful thinking. 11. A fortune teller
reveals that you are evil.
12. Someone follows you home and it's
your exact double.
13. You find a diary that tells the
future. 14. Every time you wake up,
you're a different person.
15. Your parents explain that you are
actually an alien from another planet.
16.
You know someone is watching you day and
night from the house across the street.
17. You realize you are shrinking.
18. While reading a scary book, you
discover that you're a character in it.
19. Someone is living in your mirror.
And finally, 20. Everyone knows your new
neighbors are vampires and the kids
invite you over for a sleepover.
And there's 20 good scary ideas that
you're welcome to use for writing kids
horror.
After taking my master class, I hope
you'll be better prepared and ready to
go, ready to write a short story or a
novel. Um, I came up with some exercises
maybe to help get you going. Um, they're
in the workbook. You can check them out
anytime.
And the first one of course is write
down three times you remember feeling
truly truly scared. Just make a list.
Think back. Try to remember something
that was scary. Make a list of those
kind of things and and see what you can
write.
Also, I talked a lot about titles. Make
a list of funny horror titles or book
titles. Titles that you would be think
you would be interested in reading. Make
a list. Write down two titles, three
titles. See how you do with titles.
It says, "Spend an hour in an average
place with lots of people. Just go to
the park or a grocery store. Just watch
them. Write down whatever sparks your
imagination. Just watch people. Get get
in the habit of observing people and
then see where your thoughts lead. See
what directions you can think. just
watching in a normal situation.
Try out developing a plot. Take an idea
of your own or try using one of the
horror story plots that I gave you
that's in the workbook. Develop it until
you have an idea of your basic plot.
Start with just a couple of scenes.
Build from there. Then if you love the
idea, take it further. See how far this
idea will take you.
Play around with point of view. And this
is a a useful exercise and it's
something sometimes I do. I maybe
sometimes I'll start a book third person
and say, "Well, I can make this much
better first person." And I'll go back
and write the chapter and do it. Or you
try write something third person, write
the same scene first person. See what
happens. See if it helps you out. Um,
pro style. Choose an author you like.
Write a scene totally mimicking that
author's style. I think I talked about
when I was a kid there were I mimic
author styles all the time to this day.
Take some author that you really like
and see if you can write in that
author's style. It really does help.
It's not just copying. Take a scene
you've already written or write one
based on those 20 ideas on my list. Then
revise the scene. Force yourself to make
it all dialogue. See if you can tell the
whole scene just in dialogue. I think
that's a really good exercise and really
good for helping you figure out how to
tell a story in dialogue and not have to
slow the book down with a whole lot of
description.
Write a scary scene. Take one of my 20
horror ideas and write a scary scene.
Make sure to slow it down. Slow it.
Write it slowly so that the reader gets
every bit of fear, every tingle, every
bit of fright in the character. Make
sure you write it very slowly. Don't
skip over anything.
Uh don't forget to think about all the
senses. What what is the character
seeing, smelling? What does it what does
she hear? What does what sounds are in
the background? Try to include all of
that. All of it adds up to make a scene
really scary. Try making a character
cheat sheet like the one that I gave
you. Think about what your character
looks like and what they want most. Try
making a list of of how you would
populate a book. Who who would you put
in it? And then what are they like? And
this helps me a lot. And I do it before
every book I write. Just a list of the
characters. Who's in it? And what are
they about?
Uh, scary monsters. Take take the most
innane object you can think of and think
of a way to turn it into a monster. I I
wrote that book. It came from beneath
the sink. It was about a sponge. You
don't get any more mundane than a sponge
and it turned into a horrifying monster.
Or a Halloween mask. A simple mask can
turn into something absolutely
horrifying. Take an object. Take an egg.
Take a take take an animal. Take a
canary. Take anything and see what you
can do. How would you make it scary?
Well, I think I've shared all my secrets
with you. It's over 40 years of writing
for kids. And I think I've pretty much
told you everything I know. I think
you've gotten it all. And I what I tried
to do for you is to break it down into
little pieces. break it down into short
lessons, short tricks, just short ideas
so that you would be able to get one
after the other and then put them all
together. And I hope that's what I've
achieved. I hope you've enjoyed this
master class and I hope you've learned a
lot from it and I hope you feel that
you're ready to write. I hope you
remember a lot about what we said about
knowing your audience and choosing your
audience and getting started. What we
said about outlining and mainly what we
talked about forgetting ideas, finding
ideas wherever we can um and the other
big issue of avoiding writer's block. I
hope you remember all that and I hope
that was really useful to you and I do
hope that you are encouraged now that
you finished the course to sit down and
write and try something. Try some of the
things we did. I've put exercises in
your workbook. I put in all kinds of
clues. I've given you 20 story ideas to
try out. Try them. I hope you will sit
down, write a story, write, start a
novel, see how you do, and mainly just
have fun with it, enjoy it, have have a
good time writing.
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