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This whole series of events
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began with a deliberate decision
by a senior officer
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to breach the PACE code.
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Do you want another one?
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Another one?
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What resulted was not admissible
evidence in a criminal trial.
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We should still be OK
with the case against him for Sian.
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We have the DNA evidence.
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Her blood in his car,
his DNA on her body.
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What about Becky?
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The confession evidence
is all we had.
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And, er, I'm afraid, without that,
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we'll have to take her name
off the indictment.
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Well, this is Fulcher's fault!
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Usual deal.
None of what we talk about
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can be used by ITV
until after the verdict.
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Yeah, agreed.
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Well, he's a serial killer, Rob.
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I am convinced of it.
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His big hero was that Myra Hindley
off the Moors Murders.
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I want to make a complaint
about one of your police officers.
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Well, it's a complaint, Steve.
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We'll have to decide
whether it constitutes
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just misconduct
or gross misconduct.
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Really?
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He said they were gunning for him.
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He felt abandoned
by Wiltshire Police, cut adrift.
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But where is Becky
in the pecking order?
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Right down at the bottom,
where she's always been.
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So you go back and you tell
your bosses, no, I am not satisfied.
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Not at all.
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I had a word with Mike.
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Unfortunately, he's already
referred it to the IPCC.
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They're going to charge you.
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Gross misconduct.
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Happy anniversary!
Oh...
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Thank you very much.
Happy anniversary, Mum.
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Happy anniversary, Dad.
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Oh, that's lovely!
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Oh, thank you.
That's beautiful.
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They helped me choose it.
Didn't you? Just a little bit.
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Thank you.
Thank you.
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Ah-ha!
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I've always wanted...
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It's got a little red light that
flashes if you're too stressed
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and you press it too hard.
Do you think I'm stressed?
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Mm, maybe...
And I thought I was hiding it.
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LAUGHTER
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Maybe a little bit.
Keep out of it, you.
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The card's from all three of us.
Thank you very much.
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We're behind you.
Thank you.
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Happy anniversary.
Mm-hm.
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That helps me a lot,
I'll tell you.
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We have statements from prostitutes
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putting Halliwell with Becky
in the lead-up to the murder.
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We have the guy
he shared a cell with
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saying that he liked
to strangle women during sex.
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It's all there.
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Eight murders,
he told his mate on the phone.
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Now, we know about two.
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Who's out there
looking for the other six?
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It's not me. I'm sat on my arse
on restricted duties.
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Have they, er, set a date
for your disciplinary hearing?
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Before the end of the year.
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Meanwhile, I'm in total...
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..limbo.
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No case, no team.
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The knives are out for me, too.
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What? Mike Veale
suddenly announced to me
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that he didn't need me
as a staff officer any more.
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He thought I'd resign.
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I refused to.
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Then I find this week that
he's appointed a new staff officer.
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It's a joke.
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I mean, this is my problem.
They can't go after you, too.
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I'm going to have this out
with them.
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Steve, don't.
Steve...
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Pat, can I have a quick word?
Steve...
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Listen, I know there's a lot of flak
flying around,
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but it's not fair to...
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What's wrong with your phone?
I've been trying to call you.
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I had it on charge.
Mike Veale wants to see you.
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OK.
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I'll tell him you're on your way.
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25 years Halliwell got.
That's Karen.
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He'll get out, so he'll have
plenty of his life in front of him.
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I feel for her, of course I do.
But...
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Fulcher broke the law.
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You know that.
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I don't really know what I think
any more, to be honest.
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I know I'd rather not get into this
right here and now with Karen.
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I'll sign.
Oh, thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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You're actually the first.
That's... It's all my family there.
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That's...
That's me at the top.
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Thank you.
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25 years...
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..Halliwell got.
And he'll get out.
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HE KNOCKS
Mike wanted to see me?
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Oh, right, Steve.
Just a minute.
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KNOCK ON DOOR
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HE CLEARS HIS THROAT
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Mike will see you now.
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Thank you.
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Hello, Steve. Come in.
Sit down.
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DOOR CLOSES
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Mike. Kier.
Steve.
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I asked DCS Pritchard
to be here this morning
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to make a note of everything.
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Now, I have to tell you, Steve,
that I am suspending you from duty
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with immediate effect.
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It's been brought to my attention
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that you had an unauthorised meeting
with a member of the press,
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the ITV journalist Rob Murphy,
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during which you discussed
Operation Mayan.
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This is a meeting that you were
expressly forbidden to attend.
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An officer from a neighbouring force
happened to be in the pub that night
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and witnessed the meeting
and reported it to Kier.
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Well, as you know, Steve,
I expressly told you
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you're not to do any interviews
with journalists.
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I don't recall any conversation
along those lines, Kier.
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I mentioned it
at one of the routines recently.
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Mm-hm.
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Now, I consider this matter
to be serious enough
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to warrant immediate suspension.
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Do you have anything to say?
No, I don't.
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Very well, could you please give me
your pass and warrant card?
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You will now be escorted
from the premises by Tom,
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who's waiting for you outside.
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He'll accompany you to your house
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to recover any force documents
or property.
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Do you understand
what I've said to you?
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I do.
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I'll ask you again
if you have anything to say.
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I don't.
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Fine.
That's everything.
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Er, I'll take the phone.
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Can I at least call my wife?
I'm afraid not.
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Oh, could I have that, please, sir?
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Are you coming in?
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Oh, it's Steve.
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Maughan and Ned are here.
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Er, where's the laptop, please?
What's going on?
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It's in the kitchen
on the dining table.
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Would you accompany me in there,
please? Steve...?
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I've been suspended.
What?!
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My mum and dad are in there.
Can I get it for you?
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I'm sorry.
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Hi, folks.
Hello.
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Hi, Steve.
Hello.
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Is this it?
Yes.
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Everything all right?
Yes, it's a work thing.
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Last Wednesday, we had a free period
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and she was going round
all of the toilets in the school
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and she slid under all the doors,
locked them,
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and then slid back out again
so that all the doors,
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all the toilets in the whole school
were locked.
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How stupid.
Mm, goodness.
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I mean, it's kind of silly
for her to get expelled,
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because she's a good student,
she's got good grades.
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It's not that big a deal, it's just
a joke. Just cos she's your friend.
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Do you remember Amelia
who was here last week?
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Oh, yeah.
You know, the really bitchy one.
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She's not really bitchy.
Yes, she is.
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She's not that bad.
But she's started to...
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Don't worry.
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Er, would you like to come through?
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Thank you.
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Thank you for coming to see me,
Mrs Edwards.
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The IPCC is an independent body
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that's been set up to examine
complaints against the police.
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I've asked you to come and see me
today to discuss a complaint
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that has been made against the
officer leading the investigation
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into the murder of your daughter
Rebecca.
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Against Steve Fulcher?
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Detective Superintendent Fulcher,
that's correct.
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I wanted to know if you wanted
to add your name
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to the complaint against him.
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Who's made this complaint?
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Rebecca's father, John Godden.
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You're joking!
John?!
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Oh, you've got to be kidding!
That's...
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Have you met John Godden?
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All complaints about the police
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must be dealt with
without prejudice.
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And it has been deemed that
the points Mr Godden has raised
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are serious enough
to warrant an investigation.
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Specifically, Detective
Superintendent Fulcher's failure
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to apply the rules of PACE
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to his interview with the chief
suspect Christopher Halliwell
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and prevented justice
for his daughter.
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But if it wasn't for Steve Fulcher
we'd never have found our daughter.
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So, how does he work that one out?
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So, you don't agree
with your ex-husband's view
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about Chief Superintendent Fulcher's
conduct?
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No.
We bloody don't.
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If Mrs Edwards could answer
the question, please.
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No, I bloody well don't!
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We've got to help him, Charlie.
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We can't leave him
to be thrown to the wolves.
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You know, I'm sure it suits them
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to make out he's the one
that messed up.
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You know, "It's not us, it's him."
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But you can't take on everyone,
Karen.
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So, they're after Steve's blood.
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But the man who murdered Becky
has got away with it.
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How do you work that one out?
Come on, love, get in.
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No, justice for Steve
is justice for Becky.
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It's only a bloody can of Coke.
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He just had to ask first.
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And I have told him that
time and time again.
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He has no male role model
in his life.
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Mick only sees him
every other weekend.
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To all intents and purposes,
I'm his father now.
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Let me in, Elaine.
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I want to help.
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DOORBELL RINGS
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DOOR OPENS
Lauren!
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I was just passing.
Come in. It's so lovely to see you.
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Come in.
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Are you going to come and say hello?
I'm all right in here.
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Elaine...
This is my daughter.
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We don't get on, Pete.
Yeah, I know.
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But can't you just be
the bigger person?
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Come on, love, let's go through.
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TELEPHONE RINGS
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Hello?
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Of course.
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OK, he's ready to see you now.
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Thank you very much.
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This is a great pleasure
to meet you, Mr Edwards.
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Charlie.
Please...
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Thank you very much for seeing us,
Mr Buckland.
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Not at all.
I know you must be very busy.
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You've got all the documents
I sent you. Mm.
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I feel very passionate about this.
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Halliwell must be prosecuted
for the murder of my daughter.
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Not just so Becky gets justice,
but cos the police officer involved,
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Detective Superintendent Fulcher,
because it's not fair
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that he should be facing
losing his career over this
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when all he did was try to save...
Karen, not all at once.
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You're bombarding the man.
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Sorry.
It's just, once I start, I...
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..I find it hard to stop.
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But what I wanted to say,
and I know you're a lawyer yourself,
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is I think there's a grey area here
with PACE.
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I agree.
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You agree?
250
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Yes.
251
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Yeah, I think PACE does need
to be looked at.
252
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So...
253
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..can you help us?
254
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You've started a petition?
255
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Yes, we've got over 7,000 signatures
so far.
256
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Right, you need to get that number
up as high as you possibly can.
257
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If I'm to lobby the Government,
258
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the higher the number,
the more they'll take notice.
259
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And you also need to keep on doing
your radio and TV interviews
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whenever you get the chance.
261
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You see, the more the campaign
features in the press,
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the likelihood increases
that the Government
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could ask Wiltshire Police Service
some awkward questions.
264
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Oh, right.
265
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You need to be visible, Mrs Edwards,
266
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and make people aware
of PACE's limitations.
267
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But to answer your question simply,
then...
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..yes, I'd like to try and help you.
269
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Oh, thank you!
Thank you very much, Mr Buckland!
270
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Hey.
Hi!
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Hi, how are you doing?
272
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Nice to see you.
273
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Can I get you a drink?
274
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Erm, red wine.
Mm-hm.
275
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Thank you.
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They've sent a file off
to the Crown Prosecution Service
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for a criminal prosecution
against you.
278
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Criminal?
What for?
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Malfeasance in a public office.
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Malfeasance?!
281
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They want to put him in prison now?
282
00:14:14,885 --> 00:14:16,523
Malfeasance is about abuse
of office.
283
00:14:16,525 --> 00:14:18,523
Trying to find Sian alive
284
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and trying to recover the body
of a missing girl isn't malfeasance.
285
00:14:21,285 --> 00:14:24,322
I mean, if that's the case,
who is the victim?
286
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Hm?
It'd have to be Halliwell.
287
00:14:26,724 --> 00:14:29,283
The prosecution case would
have to be that, but for my actions,
288
00:14:29,285 --> 00:14:31,883
poor old Christopher Halliwell
would be a free man.
289
00:14:31,885 --> 00:14:35,043
Well, the CPS threw it out.
But it shows you their mind-set.
290
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Seems they want to get you for
something. I'm going to the loo.
291
00:14:37,684 --> 00:14:43,763
I may well throw up.
292
00:14:43,765 --> 00:14:47,602
This is driving her mad.
293
00:14:47,604 --> 00:14:50,123
She wants me to resign.
294
00:14:50,125 --> 00:14:53,322
And do what? I've been a detective
for more than 20 years.
295
00:14:53,324 --> 00:14:55,123
Please, don't jump yet, Steve.
296
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At least wait until you see a lawyer
297
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about your defence
for the disciplinary hearing.
298
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Hear what he has to say. I can't
believe they won't exonerate you
299
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once they hear the evidence.
Mm-hm.
300
00:15:03,405 --> 00:15:06,003
What's happening to you
is horrible and unfair.
301
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But you mustn't give in.
302
00:15:08,804 --> 00:15:11,643
I'm not an expert and I've never
done anything like this before.
303
00:15:11,645 --> 00:15:14,602
And I've discovered I actually
hate the sound of my own voice.
304
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CHUCKLING
305
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But I am a mother
who has lost her daughter.
306
00:15:20,005 --> 00:15:23,722
And I feel that gives me the right
to speak my mind.
307
00:15:23,724 --> 00:15:28,682
Because I am absolutely raging
about this inside.
308
00:15:28,684 --> 00:15:30,003
My daughter had her problems.
309
00:15:30,005 --> 00:15:33,082
But that doesn't mean
she doesn't deserve justice.
310
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That doesn't mean we should treat
her any differently to anybody else
311
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who's had their life
snatched away from them.
312
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I'm asking the Government
to urgently review Code C of PACE,
313
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which covers the detention,
treatment and questioning
314
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of suspects by police officers.
315
00:15:52,285 --> 00:15:56,243
PACE is nearly 30 years old and it
was brought in because of concerns
316
00:15:56,245 --> 00:15:59,243
over the way the police were
behaving with people in custody.
317
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Which I understand.
318
00:16:01,204 --> 00:16:03,363
But what Steve Fulcher faced
319
00:16:03,365 --> 00:16:05,962
were a very, very unusual
set of circumstances.
320
00:16:05,964 --> 00:16:09,082
And I feel
there should be more flexibility
321
00:16:09,084 --> 00:16:13,923
when police officers arrest people
in situations like that.
322
00:16:13,925 --> 00:16:16,202
Because I don't want anybody else
to suffer
323
00:16:16,204 --> 00:16:20,202
what we have been through
as a family.
324
00:16:20,204 --> 00:16:33,724
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
325
00:16:38,204 --> 00:16:39,923
I love you.
I love you, too.
326
00:16:39,925 --> 00:16:50,322
See you soon.
327
00:16:50,324 --> 00:16:52,722
Excuse me, it's Karen, isn't it?
I'm Yvonne.
328
00:16:52,724 --> 00:16:54,562
Steve's wife.
I just want to say hello.
329
00:16:54,564 --> 00:16:56,323
Oh, how lovely to meet you.
330
00:16:56,325 --> 00:16:58,482
This is my husband Charlie.
331
00:16:58,484 --> 00:17:00,722
I am so sorry
Steve's having to go through this.
332
00:17:00,724 --> 00:17:02,923
In my opinion,
it's an absolute disgrace
333
00:17:02,925 --> 00:17:05,282
and please don't think
we had anything to do with it.
334
00:17:05,284 --> 00:17:07,803
This is all down to him. And when
I heard he'd made a complaint,
335
00:17:07,805 --> 00:17:09,403
after all Steve has done for us,
336
00:17:09,405 --> 00:17:11,323
I could have wrung his neck.
337
00:17:11,325 --> 00:17:13,722
Nice to meet you.
Erm, I was going to go outside.
338
00:17:13,724 --> 00:17:16,123
I'm not allowed to stay in here.
Oh, that's ridiculous.
339
00:17:16,125 --> 00:17:18,323
Don't you worry, love.
We'll look after him.
340
00:17:18,325 --> 00:17:24,323
Thanks.
341
00:17:24,325 --> 00:17:25,643
Good morning, everyone.
342
00:17:25,645 --> 00:17:28,803
I am Chief Constable Andy Parker
from Warwickshire Police
343
00:17:28,805 --> 00:17:30,682
and I'll be chairing this hearing.
344
00:17:30,684 --> 00:17:32,722
There are some of you
that I haven't met before.
345
00:17:32,724 --> 00:17:34,962
I wonder if we can begin
by you telling us your names?
346
00:17:34,964 --> 00:17:37,363
Anna Proctor, IPCC.
347
00:17:37,365 --> 00:17:38,643
Thank you.
348
00:17:38,645 --> 00:17:42,083
The gentleman at the back?
Er...
349
00:17:42,085 --> 00:17:44,242
My name is John Godden.
350
00:17:44,244 --> 00:17:48,803
Father of Rebecca Godden.
351
00:17:48,805 --> 00:17:53,242
David Godden, John's brother.
352
00:17:53,244 --> 00:17:56,643
Karen Edwards,
mother of Rebecca Godden-Edwards.
353
00:17:56,645 --> 00:17:59,482
Could you just hang on a minute,
cos I...?
354
00:17:59,484 --> 00:18:00,923
I think I'm on the wrong side here.
355
00:18:00,925 --> 00:18:02,843
Cos I don't want to be associated
with this lot.
356
00:18:02,845 --> 00:18:04,762
Because we're here
to support Steve Fulcher.
357
00:18:04,764 --> 00:18:08,363
So, were going to...
Come on, Charlie.
358
00:18:08,365 --> 00:18:12,803
Thank you.
359
00:18:12,805 --> 00:18:19,363
Thank you.
Carry on.
360
00:18:19,365 --> 00:18:21,202
The first allegation
concerns a complaint
361
00:18:21,204 --> 00:18:23,363
brought against you by Mr Godden.
362
00:18:23,365 --> 00:18:25,563
It is alleged that your behaviour,
363
00:18:25,565 --> 00:18:28,762
when dealing with Mr Halliwell
on 24th March, 2011,
364
00:18:28,764 --> 00:18:31,803
fell below the standards
of professional behaviour
365
00:18:31,805 --> 00:18:35,883
required of an officer
of your standing.
366
00:18:35,885 --> 00:18:38,923
Do you admit or deny the allegation?
367
00:18:38,925 --> 00:18:40,923
I deny the allegation.
368
00:18:40,925 --> 00:18:42,442
Allegation two.
369
00:18:42,444 --> 00:18:45,803
It is alleged by your employer,
Wiltshire Police,
370
00:18:45,805 --> 00:18:48,923
that, by having inappropriate
contact with the media,
371
00:18:48,925 --> 00:18:52,242
your conduct again fell below
the same standards.
372
00:18:52,244 --> 00:18:54,563
Do you admit or deny the allegation?
373
00:18:54,565 --> 00:18:56,123
I deny the allegation.
374
00:18:56,125 --> 00:18:59,202
The provisions of PACE are quite
clear, Mr Fulcher.
375
00:18:59,204 --> 00:19:01,762
I mean, they're there to protect
the rights of all of us.
376
00:19:01,764 --> 00:19:03,083
Yes.
377
00:19:03,085 --> 00:19:06,123
Yet, you did not caution Christopher
Halliwell as the law dictates.
378
00:19:06,125 --> 00:19:07,363
Now, why not?
379
00:19:07,365 --> 00:19:09,722
Because I felt it was disingenuous
380
00:19:09,724 --> 00:19:14,403
to begin an interview with Halliwell
in those circumstances by saying,
381
00:19:14,405 --> 00:19:16,042
"You don't have to say anything."
382
00:19:16,044 --> 00:19:18,083
I felt his right to silence
383
00:19:18,085 --> 00:19:21,603
directly conflicted
with Sian's right to life.
384
00:19:21,605 --> 00:19:23,923
Er, a little while later,
Halliwell says to you,
385
00:19:23,925 --> 00:19:27,123
"Do you want another one?" Now, what
did you understand this to mean?
386
00:19:27,125 --> 00:19:30,242
It wasn't actually clear, initially,
what it meant.
387
00:19:30,244 --> 00:19:32,442
Well, if it wasn't clear,
wouldn't it have been better
388
00:19:32,444 --> 00:19:33,962
to arrest him for Sian, caution him,
389
00:19:33,964 --> 00:19:36,722
and then clarify things on the other
one back at the police station?
390
00:19:36,724 --> 00:19:38,923
But they wouldn't have been
clarified, would they?
391
00:19:38,925 --> 00:19:41,202
His solicitor would've advised him
to go, "No comment,"
392
00:19:41,204 --> 00:19:43,123
and that would've been that.
Not necessarily.
393
00:19:43,125 --> 00:19:45,803
He could've been properly cautioned,
brought back to the station
394
00:19:45,805 --> 00:19:48,722
and then revealed
the victim's whereabouts.
395
00:19:48,724 --> 00:19:50,923
That's the difference between
theory and practice.
396
00:19:50,925 --> 00:19:53,282
I mean, in practice,
that has never happened.
397
00:19:53,284 --> 00:19:55,002
Not once, in my whole career.
398
00:19:55,004 --> 00:19:57,722
Now, if you had arrested him
and cautioned him at that point,
399
00:19:57,724 --> 00:19:59,123
then everything that followed
400
00:19:59,125 --> 00:20:01,002
would have remained admissible
in evidence.
401
00:20:01,004 --> 00:20:04,083
Not to do so was a gross error
of judgment on your part, wasn't it?
402
00:20:04,085 --> 00:20:11,242
I don't believe it was, no.
403
00:20:11,244 --> 00:20:14,482
I feel like a madman in a roomful
of people who don't understand me.
404
00:20:14,484 --> 00:20:27,091
I'm saying the same thing over and
over again and nobody's listening.
405
00:20:28,733 --> 00:20:32,301
Mr Geenty, you've always supported
Steve Fulcher's reasoning
406
00:20:32,303 --> 00:20:35,058
for not cautioning
Christopher Halliwell, haven't you?
407
00:20:35,060 --> 00:20:37,617
I have no doubt about his good faith
that day.
408
00:20:37,619 --> 00:20:40,417
Yes, but his judgment,
his reasoning.
409
00:20:40,419 --> 00:20:44,778
At the pre-trial hearing, before the
Sian O'Callaghan trial, you said,
410
00:20:44,780 --> 00:20:48,377
"I think the decision
Steve made was,
411
00:20:48,379 --> 00:20:51,897
"to use the slang, a gutsy decision.
412
00:20:51,899 --> 00:20:54,258
"And I'd like to think
I would make a similar decision
413
00:20:54,260 --> 00:20:56,457
"in the same circumstances."
414
00:20:56,459 --> 00:20:58,657
Well,
that was when he was still hoping
415
00:20:58,659 --> 00:21:00,217
that Sian might be found alive.
416
00:21:00,219 --> 00:21:01,778
We all were.
417
00:21:01,780 --> 00:21:03,538
But I disagree with his judgment
418
00:21:03,540 --> 00:21:07,897
when it came to him being offered
information about the second body.
419
00:21:07,899 --> 00:21:11,657
That is where I think PACE
and the protection of the suspect
420
00:21:11,659 --> 00:21:13,578
would have become paramount
421
00:21:13,580 --> 00:21:16,498
because tragically, at that point,
when he knew Sian was dead,
422
00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:19,417
the urgent interview provision
no longer applied.
423
00:21:19,419 --> 00:21:22,978
So you agree with his actions in
relation to Sian, but not to Becky?
424
00:21:22,980 --> 00:21:26,457
No, I believe, at that point,
in the heat of the moment,
425
00:21:26,459 --> 00:21:28,417
he could not have been thinking
clearly.
426
00:21:28,419 --> 00:21:33,098
So what are you saying, then?
That Becky doesn't matter?
427
00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:35,657
Would it be fair to say
that Steve Fulcher
428
00:21:35,659 --> 00:21:39,217
was by far the most experienced SIO
that Wiltshire had
429
00:21:39,219 --> 00:21:41,578
at the point of the Sian and Becky
investigation?
430
00:21:41,580 --> 00:21:45,018
Steve has demonstrated
that he has a solid track record.
431
00:21:45,020 --> 00:21:47,338
And that,
whatever else this case is about,
432
00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:51,897
there is no doubt that he is an
outstandingly good police officer.
433
00:21:51,899 --> 00:21:54,578
He is a very competent officer, yes.
434
00:21:54,580 --> 00:21:57,098
Now, in spite of the fact that
it's normal for senior officers
435
00:21:57,100 --> 00:21:59,298
to give off-the-record media
briefings,
436
00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:02,617
you say you had a conversation
with Steve Fulcher
437
00:22:02,619 --> 00:22:05,978
to tell him of an order by the then
Deputy Chief Constable Geenty
438
00:22:05,980 --> 00:22:08,657
that he wasn't to do any interviews
with journalists.
439
00:22:08,659 --> 00:22:10,098
That is correct, yes.
440
00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:13,058
You made an entry into your diary
that day, didn't you?
441
00:22:13,060 --> 00:22:15,298
You record 16 points
442
00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:18,018
relating to various matters
you'd discussed with him.
443
00:22:18,020 --> 00:22:20,578
But the one thing
you haven't recorded
444
00:22:20,580 --> 00:22:22,258
is any mention of Steve Fulcher
445
00:22:22,260 --> 00:22:24,217
being told
not to speak to the media.
446
00:22:24,219 --> 00:22:27,058
I spoke to Steve Fulcher
about DCC Geenty's order
447
00:22:27,060 --> 00:22:30,177
at the end of the conversation.
448
00:22:30,179 --> 00:22:32,857
Those other points were from
the first part of the conversation.
449
00:22:32,859 --> 00:22:34,857
But surely, Mr Geenty's order
450
00:22:34,859 --> 00:22:37,657
would've been the most important
part of that conversation,
451
00:22:37,659 --> 00:22:41,058
based on the fact that Steve Fulcher
stands here today
452
00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:43,657
with the prospect
of losing his career because of it?
453
00:22:43,659 --> 00:22:45,498
I didn't feel it necessary
to have recorded
454
00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:46,897
that part of the conversation.
455
00:22:46,899 --> 00:22:50,177
But I can assure you
that it did happen.
456
00:22:50,179 --> 00:22:52,538
Is this actually misconduct at all?
457
00:22:52,540 --> 00:22:55,818
In both instances, the failure
to caution Christopher Halliwell
458
00:22:55,820 --> 00:22:58,818
and the interviews Detective
Superintendent Fulcher
459
00:22:58,820 --> 00:23:00,338
gave to the media,
460
00:23:00,340 --> 00:23:02,657
might not many members of the public
say,
461
00:23:02,659 --> 00:23:06,978
"Surely, there are better ways
for the police service and the IPCC
462
00:23:06,980 --> 00:23:08,978
"to deal with such matters?
463
00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:11,978
"Are you really satisfied,
based on the evidence before you,
464
00:23:11,980 --> 00:23:14,657
"that you could take the steps
to remove this man's career?"
465
00:23:14,659 --> 00:23:17,018
Thank you, Mr Beggs.
Are there any questions
466
00:23:17,020 --> 00:23:19,498
from Rebecca's family members
present today?
467
00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:23,778
Well, not from me.
I'm very happy with how it's gone.
468
00:23:23,780 --> 00:23:26,778
Mrs Edwards?
I agree with Mr Beggs.
469
00:23:26,780 --> 00:23:30,417
It seems ridiculous all this
public money's been spent on this.
470
00:23:30,419 --> 00:23:32,137
Thank you, both.
471
00:23:32,139 --> 00:23:34,738
Well, we shall now retire
to consider our judgment.
472
00:23:34,740 --> 00:23:37,338
You will be informed of our verdict
in due course,
473
00:23:37,340 --> 00:23:39,538
when this hearing will reconvene.
474
00:23:39,540 --> 00:23:51,820
Thank you.
475
00:24:14,219 --> 00:24:25,978
MAN: Come on, you reds!
476
00:24:25,980 --> 00:24:27,258
My sister got in a cab with him.
477
00:24:27,260 --> 00:24:29,177
With Halliwell?
Yeah.
478
00:24:29,179 --> 00:24:32,697
She seen his picture in the paper
and she was sure it was him.
479
00:24:32,699 --> 00:24:35,538
She gets in his cab
and he drives her the wrong way,
480
00:24:35,540 --> 00:24:38,457
out towards Savernake Forest,
acting all weird, like.
481
00:24:38,459 --> 00:24:41,217
She screams and opens the door
and someone sees them.
482
00:24:41,219 --> 00:24:43,377
And he pulls over and lets her out.
483
00:24:43,379 --> 00:24:45,578
Says he was just having a laugh
with her.
484
00:24:45,580 --> 00:24:50,978
She doesn't know how lucky she is.
Yeah, that's what my mum says.
485
00:24:50,980 --> 00:24:53,978
All right, thank you.
Thank you.
486
00:24:53,980 --> 00:24:56,417
We just wanted to check
that you were OK.
487
00:24:56,419 --> 00:24:58,978
See if you had any worries or
questions.
488
00:24:58,980 --> 00:25:03,217
Thank you.
It's much appreciated.
489
00:25:03,219 --> 00:25:06,338
I don't know if you're aware
of what Karen Edwards is doing.
490
00:25:06,340 --> 00:25:10,217
She's got a petition going.
491
00:25:10,219 --> 00:25:12,058
I'm aware of it, yeah.
492
00:25:12,060 --> 00:25:15,617
Her support for Stephen Fulcher
is very commendable, but...
493
00:25:15,619 --> 00:25:18,738
..Wiltshire Police Service feel
it is...
494
00:25:18,740 --> 00:25:21,058
..misguided.
495
00:25:21,060 --> 00:25:25,657
Our position is that Fulcher
shouldn't have breached PACE.
496
00:25:25,659 --> 00:25:28,978
Yeah, that's how we feel.
497
00:25:28,980 --> 00:25:31,177
We would have found Sian's body
anyway.
498
00:25:31,179 --> 00:25:35,578
That's good to know.
499
00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:39,058
We've heard from Karen's FLO
that she would like to meet you.
500
00:25:39,060 --> 00:25:41,457
Would you be interested
in us arranging that?
501
00:25:41,459 --> 00:25:44,738
No, I wouldn't.
Thank you.
502
00:25:44,740 --> 00:25:47,298
After she got in the car with him...
503
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:53,098
..I keep wondering
what happened to her after that.
504
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:58,857
I torment myself
wondering if it was quick.
505
00:25:58,859 --> 00:26:01,298
Erm...
506
00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:06,538
He pleaded guilty, so we didn't have
to give a detailed account in court.
507
00:26:06,540 --> 00:26:08,217
Or at least...
508
00:26:08,219 --> 00:26:11,417
..one that we could challenge.
509
00:26:11,419 --> 00:26:13,617
Did she know
what he was going to do with her?
510
00:26:13,619 --> 00:26:17,098
Was she frightened?
511
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:20,857
Halliwell said that he killed her
quickly.
512
00:26:20,859 --> 00:26:23,937
Within a few minutes of setting off.
513
00:26:23,939 --> 00:26:28,617
She started struggling,
so he stabbed her.
514
00:26:28,619 --> 00:26:31,018
Erm...
515
00:26:31,020 --> 00:26:36,177
I don't know if I believe him.
516
00:26:36,179 --> 00:26:38,738
She wasn't wearing her boots
when you found her.
517
00:26:38,740 --> 00:26:43,018
They were tight-fitting.
518
00:26:43,020 --> 00:26:45,018
When did they come off?
Did...?
519
00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:57,778
Did he start to undress her?
520
00:26:57,780 --> 00:27:05,018
I just keep playing it
over and over in my head.
521
00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:11,538
Different scenarios and...
522
00:27:11,540 --> 00:27:16,058
..I just see her face, Pete.
523
00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:20,778
Terrified.
524
00:27:20,780 --> 00:27:22,298
Come here...
525
00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:23,697
It's OK.
526
00:27:23,699 --> 00:27:26,177
Come here.
527
00:27:26,179 --> 00:27:29,778
Shh...
528
00:27:29,780 --> 00:27:33,177
HE SIGHS
529
00:27:33,179 --> 00:27:37,457
I want to look after you, Elaine.
530
00:27:37,459 --> 00:27:43,137
I'm here for you, all right?
531
00:27:43,139 --> 00:27:53,857
Everything that's happened has
just made me want to protect you.
532
00:27:53,859 --> 00:27:58,338
Why don't you pack it in at work?
533
00:27:58,340 --> 00:28:01,338
You hate that fucking job.
534
00:28:01,340 --> 00:28:08,417
I can support you.
535
00:28:08,419 --> 00:28:15,657
I want us to be together properly,
Elaine.
536
00:28:15,659 --> 00:28:27,820
Mm.
537
00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:43,379
I have asked you
not to smoke inside.
538
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:50,498
Why don't you have a shower?
HE SCOFFS
539
00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:52,978
Why don't you have a nice shower
and we could go to Brighton?
540
00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:54,377
The girls are out tonight.
541
00:28:54,379 --> 00:28:56,578
We could have lunch
and we wouldn't have to rush back.
542
00:28:56,580 --> 00:28:57,937
Do I smell, Yvonne?
543
00:28:57,939 --> 00:28:59,697
What?
Or do I stink?
544
00:28:59,699 --> 00:29:01,377
Can you smell me from there?
545
00:29:01,379 --> 00:29:03,578
I don't know
what you're talking about.
546
00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:05,058
Oh, obfuscation.
547
00:29:05,060 --> 00:29:06,978
I can tell from your answer,
548
00:29:06,980 --> 00:29:08,978
or, more accurately, your...
549
00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:11,778
..lack of an answer, that I don't.
Therefore...
550
00:29:11,780 --> 00:29:13,338
..no need for me to shower.
551
00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:16,298
Is this you being funny?
552
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:18,498
Anyway, I'm not allowed
to leave the county
553
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,697
without getting permission
from them.
554
00:29:20,699 --> 00:29:22,058
You're joking?
It's true.
555
00:29:22,060 --> 00:29:28,457
I have to ask them
if I can leave Wiltshire.
556
00:29:28,459 --> 00:29:31,098
Well...
557
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:41,417
OK.
558
00:29:41,419 --> 00:29:44,498
What has happened to Steve Fulcher
is nothing short of scandalous.
559
00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:48,177
Cos, without him, my daughter
would be lying in a field somewhere
560
00:29:48,179 --> 00:29:50,657
without anyone knowing
where she was.
561
00:29:50,659 --> 00:29:53,258
But he has been hounded
from pillar to post
562
00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:55,657
while Christopher Halliwell,
who murdered her,
563
00:29:55,659 --> 00:29:57,417
has never faced justice
for what he did.
564
00:29:57,419 --> 00:30:00,538
Our Justice For Becky campaign
is petitioning the Government
565
00:30:00,540 --> 00:30:02,018
to change the PACE law.
566
00:30:02,020 --> 00:30:05,258
So, please, sign our petition
if you see us around Swindon.
567
00:30:05,260 --> 00:30:06,778
Not ideal.
568
00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:08,978
What, are you worried about
a backlash
569
00:30:08,980 --> 00:30:12,338
if Karen Edwards' support for Steve
Fulcher gains too much momentum?
570
00:30:12,340 --> 00:30:15,818
Because, I have to admit,
it has crossed my mind.
571
00:30:15,820 --> 00:30:18,697
It's not great,
from a PR point of view. No.
572
00:30:18,699 --> 00:30:22,177
Maybe we should have another think
about the investigation.
573
00:30:22,179 --> 00:30:24,058
Yeah.
574
00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:26,258
I know we bicker,
I know he can be...
575
00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:27,697
..controlling.
576
00:30:27,699 --> 00:30:29,018
But...
577
00:30:29,020 --> 00:30:32,177
..he can be so sweet.
578
00:30:32,179 --> 00:30:33,697
He's picked me up when I was down.
579
00:30:33,699 --> 00:30:36,058
He's been there for me
all through this. He's been my rock.
580
00:30:36,060 --> 00:30:38,258
He did force you to get that lump
on your boob checked.
581
00:30:38,260 --> 00:30:39,298
I will give him that.
582
00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:42,417
And just when I think
he's exactly what I need,
583
00:30:42,419 --> 00:30:45,177
things happen
and I wonder if he is.
584
00:30:45,179 --> 00:30:47,617
We've had another row
because he says Aiden
585
00:30:47,619 --> 00:30:50,498
took a can of Coke
out of the fridge without asking.
586
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,578
Really?
A can of Coke?
587
00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:56,058
That's the, er...
588
00:30:56,060 --> 00:31:00,177
..the police at Karen's.
I wonder what they're there for.
589
00:31:00,179 --> 00:31:02,857
She asked to meet me, Karen.
590
00:31:02,859 --> 00:31:06,457
What did you say?
No.
591
00:31:06,459 --> 00:31:10,457
I can't face her.
I know I should, but...
592
00:31:10,459 --> 00:31:14,298
I can't really explain it.
593
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:15,778
We have come across so many people
594
00:31:15,780 --> 00:31:17,778
who have given us information
on Halliwell.
595
00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:19,738
People who say
they got into his taxi with him
596
00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:21,018
and had scary experiences.
597
00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:23,937
People saying he got obsessed
with women and would stalk them.
598
00:31:23,939 --> 00:31:26,778
People who can link him to girls
who have gone missing.
599
00:31:26,780 --> 00:31:28,417
But it's all hearsay, Karen.
600
00:31:28,419 --> 00:31:31,417
People say they know someone
who knew him
601
00:31:31,419 --> 00:31:33,697
or people who've heard something
about him
602
00:31:33,699 --> 00:31:35,417
and not seen it for themselves.
603
00:31:35,419 --> 00:31:39,578
Nothing that would stand up
in court.
604
00:31:39,580 --> 00:31:42,617
I'm sorry, but trying to play
amateur detective
605
00:31:42,619 --> 00:31:46,058
and criticising Wiltshire Police
in the media is not helping things.
606
00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:48,018
It's not all critical.
607
00:31:48,020 --> 00:31:51,457
I always tell everybody what
a fantastic job Steve Fulcher did.
608
00:31:51,459 --> 00:31:53,498
And he is a Wiltshire
police officer, isn't he?
609
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:54,937
We're all in this together.
610
00:31:54,939 --> 00:31:58,137
Now, I was speaking to Sian's mum
Elaine the other day
611
00:31:58,139 --> 00:32:00,298
and she was saying the same thing.
612
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:01,857
It's a team effort.
613
00:32:01,859 --> 00:32:05,417
Did you tell her
I'd asked to meet her?
614
00:32:05,419 --> 00:32:09,258
I did.
And what did she say?
615
00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:10,697
Er...
616
00:32:10,699 --> 00:32:19,338
She says it's not the right time
for her at the moment.
617
00:32:19,340 --> 00:32:24,538
Well, my door is always open.
618
00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:26,457
When you spoke to the psychiatrist
619
00:32:26,459 --> 00:32:28,978
about those feelings of rage,
Christopher,
620
00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:31,338
of being consumed
by a single thought,
621
00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:36,098
did he talk about finding
a harmless release mechanism?
622
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:39,498
For example, to think of something
that calms us down.
623
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:43,377
Well, I told him
I liked to go fishing.
624
00:32:43,379 --> 00:32:46,778
I used to love sitting there
for hours on end.
625
00:32:46,780 --> 00:32:48,937
I find it very peaceful.
626
00:32:48,939 --> 00:32:51,617
And that's good.
627
00:32:51,619 --> 00:32:53,058
Yeah.
628
00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:55,818
I had this special place
where I liked to fish.
629
00:32:55,820 --> 00:32:58,578
Out in the woods.
630
00:32:58,580 --> 00:33:00,738
It was like my own private...
631
00:33:00,740 --> 00:33:02,937
I don't know what you'd call it.
A sanctum.
632
00:33:02,939 --> 00:33:06,018
Yeah.
633
00:33:06,020 --> 00:33:08,578
I used to love going there.
634
00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:14,861
My special place.
635
00:33:29,699 --> 00:33:33,937
DOOR CLOSES
636
00:33:33,939 --> 00:33:35,258
The panel feels that
637
00:33:35,260 --> 00:33:37,738
the continuation of custody
of Christopher Halliwell
638
00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:39,978
without caution or without any
of the other safeguards
639
00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:41,217
afforded him by PACE,
640
00:33:41,219 --> 00:33:44,098
particularly when en route
to the location of Rebecca Godden,
641
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:45,978
cannot be justified.
642
00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:49,098
At such time as it became apparent
that Sian O'Callaghan was dead,
643
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:51,457
you should have stopped the car,
turned it around
644
00:33:51,459 --> 00:33:53,177
and taken Halliwell into custody.
645
00:33:53,179 --> 00:33:55,737
And the panel has a wider duty
to perform
646
00:33:55,739 --> 00:33:58,657
in respect to public confidence,
647
00:33:58,659 --> 00:34:01,337
and the message needs to be sent
to other officers
648
00:34:01,339 --> 00:34:04,257
that a detective cannot ignore PACE
to such an extent
649
00:34:04,259 --> 00:34:07,177
without being held fully to account.
650
00:34:07,179 --> 00:34:11,217
And we regard your conduct
as gross misconduct.
651
00:34:11,219 --> 00:34:14,737
On allegation two,
the panel concludes that,
652
00:34:14,739 --> 00:34:16,458
on the balance of probability,
653
00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:20,098
you were given an instruction
by Chief Superintendent Pritchard
654
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:21,978
to not give interviews to the media.
655
00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:24,538
This is not behaviour we would
expect from a senior officer
656
00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:28,617
and we regard the conduct
as gross misconduct.
657
00:34:28,619 --> 00:34:31,777
These breaches
would justify dismissal.
658
00:34:31,779 --> 00:34:34,938
However, taking into account
your previous exemplary record,
659
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:38,657
the panel has concluded that
the most appropriate sanction...
660
00:34:38,659 --> 00:34:44,418
..is a final written warning.
661
00:34:44,420 --> 00:34:48,657
And I cannot stress how close
you came to losing your job today.
662
00:34:48,659 --> 00:34:51,617
I do hope that you have learnt
from this experience.
663
00:34:51,619 --> 00:34:53,217
It's not right what Fulcher did!
664
00:34:53,219 --> 00:34:56,058
Why should we have to pay with
our pain because of his mistakes?
665
00:34:56,060 --> 00:35:00,378
I've been mentally scarred by this.
666
00:35:00,380 --> 00:35:02,978
It seems to me, come to Swindon
and commit a murder
667
00:35:02,980 --> 00:35:06,058
cos you'll get away with it.
668
00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:09,098
I will never trust the police again.
669
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:21,259
Never.
670
00:36:04,089 --> 00:36:06,488
I can start back
as soon as possible.
671
00:36:06,490 --> 00:36:08,368
And you're actually going to?
672
00:36:08,370 --> 00:36:10,528
Well, what else am I going to do?
673
00:36:10,530 --> 00:36:14,528
I'm a police officer.
It's all I...
674
00:36:14,530 --> 00:36:16,727
It's all I know, Yvonne!
675
00:36:16,729 --> 00:36:19,408
And I am fucking good at it!
Good for you, Steve!
676
00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:32,050
Fuck everyone else!
677
00:36:37,609 --> 00:36:39,808
We're very pleased
to have you here, Steve.
678
00:36:39,810 --> 00:36:40,888
Thank you.
679
00:36:40,890 --> 00:36:43,087
You knew Ray Hayward, is that right?
Er, yes.
680
00:36:43,089 --> 00:36:44,607
Yes, I liked Ray.
681
00:36:44,609 --> 00:36:46,968
I met him many times in meetings.
682
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:50,287
He always had an interesting take
on things, you know.
683
00:36:50,289 --> 00:36:56,127
Here we are.
684
00:36:56,129 --> 00:36:58,607
Now, when the word went round
that you were available,
685
00:36:58,609 --> 00:37:00,808
our previous Bobby Van manager
has just retired.
686
00:37:00,810 --> 00:37:03,087
Mm-hm. You're obviously
a bit overqualified...
687
00:37:03,089 --> 00:37:04,928
What exactly is Bobby Van?
688
00:37:04,930 --> 00:37:06,808
It's a local initiative
to get a van out
689
00:37:06,810 --> 00:37:09,528
to burglary
and criminal damage victims
690
00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:12,408
to get their windows and doors
and suchlike fixed up.
691
00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:14,247
Mm-hm.
Right.
692
00:37:14,249 --> 00:37:15,928
Well, I'll...
693
00:37:15,930 --> 00:37:17,567
I'll leave you to it.
694
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:19,767
Give you a chance
to get up to speed on everything.
695
00:37:19,769 --> 00:37:26,207
Thank you.
OK.
696
00:37:26,209 --> 00:37:30,287
REPORTERS SHOUT QUESTIONS
697
00:37:30,289 --> 00:37:34,607
This is about justice for Becky.
698
00:37:34,609 --> 00:37:37,048
And justice
for a brave police officer,
699
00:37:37,050 --> 00:37:40,607
whose career has been ruined
just for doing his job.
700
00:37:40,609 --> 00:37:44,488
And over 40,000 people
have signed our petition,
701
00:37:44,490 --> 00:37:47,448
and with the help of our local MP
702
00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:50,767
we are delighted
to be able to deliver our demand
703
00:37:50,769 --> 00:37:54,368
for a change in the law
directly to Mr Cameron.
704
00:37:54,370 --> 00:37:58,607
And this must never be allowed
to happen again.
705
00:37:58,609 --> 00:38:02,848
Will my Right Honourable friend
join our cause for a thorough review
706
00:38:02,850 --> 00:38:05,928
of Code C of
the Police And Criminal Evidence Act
707
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:10,328
so that terrible situations
like this will not happen again?
708
00:38:10,330 --> 00:38:13,408
I will look very carefully at what
my honourable friend has raised
709
00:38:13,410 --> 00:38:15,848
and the specific case
that he mentions,
710
00:38:15,850 --> 00:38:17,207
and look also at this issue
711
00:38:17,209 --> 00:38:19,408
of the Police And Criminal
Evidence Act.
712
00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:21,727
It is always important
that all information
713
00:38:21,729 --> 00:38:25,167
that possibly can be put in front of
a court is put in front of the court
714
00:38:25,169 --> 00:38:27,368
so the court can reach
the correct, er...
715
00:38:27,370 --> 00:38:33,448
..the correct decision.
716
00:38:33,450 --> 00:38:35,647
I want you to know
that it's OK to feel happy again.
717
00:38:35,649 --> 00:38:39,567
That, if something good happens,
it's OK to smile
718
00:38:39,569 --> 00:38:41,727
or feel good inside.
719
00:38:41,729 --> 00:38:49,448
It's not betraying Sian
to feel like that.
720
00:38:49,450 --> 00:38:51,607
Me and Pete have decided...
721
00:38:51,609 --> 00:38:53,368
..that we make each other happy.
722
00:38:53,370 --> 00:38:56,928
So, we're going to get married.
723
00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:59,287
And I wanted to tell you before
anyone else,
724
00:38:59,289 --> 00:39:04,247
so you can tell me
how you feel about it.
725
00:39:04,249 --> 00:39:05,647
If it's what you want.
726
00:39:05,649 --> 00:39:10,127
Mm.
I'm happy for you.
727
00:39:10,129 --> 00:39:12,087
Aiden?
728
00:39:12,089 --> 00:39:15,207
I'm glad
that you want to marry Pete.
729
00:39:15,209 --> 00:39:25,727
I just want you to be happy, Mum.
730
00:39:25,729 --> 00:39:39,928
ELECTRIC TOOTHBRUSH WHIRS
731
00:39:39,930 --> 00:39:45,567
HE TURNS OFF THE TOOTHBRUSH
732
00:39:45,569 --> 00:39:59,010
HE SWILLS AND SPITS
733
00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:07,167
I've had enough, Steve.
734
00:40:07,169 --> 00:40:09,647
I can't take any more.
735
00:40:09,649 --> 00:40:15,647
HE CLEARS HIS THROAT
736
00:40:15,649 --> 00:40:18,848
OK, if I retire early...
Mm-hm.
737
00:40:18,850 --> 00:40:23,408
..my pension will be cut.
738
00:40:23,410 --> 00:40:36,930
We wouldn't have enough to live on.
I don't care.
739
00:40:46,050 --> 00:40:47,408
Good to see you.
740
00:40:47,410 --> 00:40:50,488
So, this is where we are.
Erm...
741
00:40:50,490 --> 00:40:52,448
Well,
Mr Cameron was true to his word
742
00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:54,888
and he referred this to Theresa May,
the Home Secretary.
743
00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:56,247
Excellent.
744
00:40:56,249 --> 00:40:59,727
And she referred it to Damian Green,
the Policing Secretary.
745
00:40:59,729 --> 00:41:01,528
And he passed it on to ACPO,
746
00:41:01,530 --> 00:41:03,408
the Association
of Chief Police Officers.
747
00:41:03,410 --> 00:41:05,607
Right.
And they asked for comments
748
00:41:05,609 --> 00:41:08,167
from the relevant police service,
Wiltshire.
749
00:41:08,169 --> 00:41:10,727
Then they went back to Damian Green
with their recommendation
750
00:41:10,729 --> 00:41:15,048
for no action required.
751
00:41:15,050 --> 00:41:17,207
They advise that Section 11 of PACE
752
00:41:17,209 --> 00:41:20,488
is only applicable to a threat
to life and the recovery of evidence
753
00:41:20,490 --> 00:41:23,808
and, therefore,
didn't apply in this case.
754
00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:26,048
But that's exactly
what Steve was doing.
755
00:41:26,050 --> 00:41:29,087
He was trying to save Sian
and recover Becky's body. So...
756
00:41:29,089 --> 00:41:32,207
I'm very sorry.
757
00:41:32,209 --> 00:41:33,567
The pond itself.
758
00:41:33,569 --> 00:41:36,408
And as you can see, we've pulled out
a lot of pieces of clothing.
759
00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:38,687
That's quite a lot there.
It is.
760
00:41:38,689 --> 00:41:41,287
What are we up to now?
761
00:41:41,289 --> 00:41:43,968
About 20 items so far.
But I expect that to go up.
762
00:41:43,970 --> 00:41:45,968
We're going to have another scan
of the pond
763
00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:47,647
and see if we can pull
anything else out.
764
00:41:47,649 --> 00:41:50,647
We might have missed
one or two things. Sir!
765
00:41:50,649 --> 00:42:02,930
Yeah.
766
00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:07,328
OK.
Excellent.
767
00:42:07,330 --> 00:42:18,928
I think that might be Sian's boot.
768
00:42:18,930 --> 00:42:21,727
It was nice of you to come round.
769
00:42:21,729 --> 00:42:24,848
I always felt that,
with everything that happened,
770
00:42:24,850 --> 00:42:27,087
I never really got the chance
to tell you how sorry I was
771
00:42:27,089 --> 00:42:30,008
about what happened to Ray.
772
00:42:30,010 --> 00:42:31,848
Well, it's not been easy for me,
773
00:42:31,850 --> 00:42:36,408
knowing that he was so desperate
and that we couldn't help him.
774
00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:38,488
Thanks.
775
00:42:38,490 --> 00:42:44,207
Look, I can't speak about
the allegations against him, but...
776
00:42:44,209 --> 00:42:48,767
..from my point of view,
he was a good friend.
777
00:42:48,769 --> 00:42:55,607
Yeah. There was a lot I wanted
to say about how he was treated.
778
00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:58,328
It's not worth it, Steve.
779
00:42:58,330 --> 00:43:03,767
I know what's been happening
with you, and it's not worth it.
780
00:43:03,769 --> 00:43:06,727
The job meant everything to Ray,
too. But...
781
00:43:06,729 --> 00:43:09,687
..it wasn't more important
than his children...
782
00:43:09,689 --> 00:43:22,649
..than his life.
783
00:43:58,209 --> 00:44:03,647
PHONE RINGS
784
00:44:03,649 --> 00:44:05,167
Debs?
785
00:44:05,169 --> 00:44:10,448
Are you watching the local news?
786
00:44:10,450 --> 00:44:12,968
I think the timing's
a bit too convenient.
787
00:44:12,970 --> 00:44:14,848
Where was it?
788
00:44:14,850 --> 00:44:17,607
They're carrying out a dig
at a spot in Ramsbury.
789
00:44:17,609 --> 00:44:19,528
I think this has come
from some information
790
00:44:19,530 --> 00:44:21,567
passed on by Halliwell's
probation officer.
791
00:44:21,569 --> 00:44:24,528
..the boot in the water
which we have recovered.
792
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:27,127
So, you were walking
along the lane and...?
793
00:44:27,129 --> 00:44:30,448
Scoping the ponds
as to which I thought
794
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:33,488
would be most likely
to deposit property.
795
00:44:33,490 --> 00:44:35,048
Why now?
796
00:44:35,050 --> 00:44:37,848
They've done nothing over the
last 18 months and then suddenly,
797
00:44:37,850 --> 00:44:39,448
"Look what a great job we're doing."
798
00:44:39,450 --> 00:44:41,247
I reckon they're worried
about backlash
799
00:44:41,249 --> 00:44:43,727
over the way you've been treated.
800
00:44:43,729 --> 00:44:45,928
He says that numerous items
have been recovered.
801
00:44:45,930 --> 00:44:47,207
Mm.
One of 60, I heard.
802
00:44:47,209 --> 00:44:48,767
60?
803
00:44:48,769 --> 00:44:52,448
This could be what
you've been waiting for, Steve.
804
00:44:52,450 --> 00:44:53,848
Yeah, I know.
805
00:44:53,850 --> 00:44:55,048
Bollocks.
806
00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:58,008
What?
I handed in my resignation.
807
00:44:58,010 --> 00:45:02,794
I'm no longer a police officer.
808
00:45:02,796 --> 00:45:05,062
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