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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,001 --> 00:00:02,493 This whole series of events 2 00:00:02,495 --> 00:00:05,693 began with a deliberate decision by a senior officer 3 00:00:05,695 --> 00:00:07,652 to breach the PACE code. 4 00:00:07,654 --> 00:00:09,253 Do you want another one? 5 00:00:09,255 --> 00:00:10,732 Another one? 6 00:00:10,734 --> 00:00:15,493 What resulted was not admissible evidence in a criminal trial. 7 00:00:15,495 --> 00:00:18,813 We should still be OK with the case against him for Sian. 8 00:00:18,815 --> 00:00:20,333 We have the DNA evidence. 9 00:00:20,335 --> 00:00:22,533 Her blood in his car, his DNA on her body. 10 00:00:22,535 --> 00:00:23,853 What about Becky? 11 00:00:23,855 --> 00:00:25,892 The confession evidence is all we had. 12 00:00:25,894 --> 00:00:27,693 And, er, I'm afraid, without that, 13 00:00:27,695 --> 00:00:30,493 we'll have to take her name off the indictment. 14 00:00:30,495 --> 00:00:32,693 Well, this is Fulcher's fault! 15 00:00:32,695 --> 00:00:34,333 Usual deal. None of what we talk about 16 00:00:34,335 --> 00:00:36,532 can be used by ITV until after the verdict. 17 00:00:36,534 --> 00:00:37,852 Yeah, agreed. 18 00:00:37,854 --> 00:00:40,132 Well, he's a serial killer, Rob. 19 00:00:40,134 --> 00:00:41,693 I am convinced of it. 20 00:00:41,695 --> 00:00:45,452 His big hero was that Myra Hindley off the Moors Murders. 21 00:00:45,454 --> 00:00:48,693 I want to make a complaint about one of your police officers. 22 00:00:48,695 --> 00:00:50,013 Well, it's a complaint, Steve. 23 00:00:50,015 --> 00:00:51,852 We'll have to decide whether it constitutes 24 00:00:51,854 --> 00:00:53,852 just misconduct or gross misconduct. 25 00:00:53,854 --> 00:00:55,013 Really? 26 00:00:55,015 --> 00:00:56,573 He said they were gunning for him. 27 00:00:56,575 --> 00:00:59,373 He felt abandoned by Wiltshire Police, cut adrift. 28 00:00:59,375 --> 00:01:01,052 But where is Becky in the pecking order? 29 00:01:01,054 --> 00:01:03,253 Right down at the bottom, where she's always been. 30 00:01:03,255 --> 00:01:05,692 So you go back and you tell your bosses, no, I am not satisfied. 31 00:01:05,694 --> 00:01:06,853 Not at all. 32 00:01:06,855 --> 00:01:08,013 I had a word with Mike. 33 00:01:08,015 --> 00:01:10,812 Unfortunately, he's already referred it to the IPCC. 34 00:01:10,814 --> 00:01:13,213 They're going to charge you. 35 00:01:13,215 --> 00:01:25,974 Gross misconduct. 36 00:01:31,404 --> 00:01:32,373 Subtitles by explosiveskull www.OpenSubtitles.org 37 00:01:32,375 --> 00:01:36,053 Happy anniversary! Oh... 38 00:01:36,055 --> 00:01:38,053 Thank you very much. Happy anniversary, Mum. 39 00:01:38,055 --> 00:01:39,532 Happy anniversary, Dad. 40 00:01:39,534 --> 00:01:42,972 Oh, that's lovely! 41 00:01:42,974 --> 00:01:45,013 Oh, thank you. That's beautiful. 42 00:01:45,015 --> 00:01:47,692 They helped me choose it. Didn't you? Just a little bit. 43 00:01:47,694 --> 00:01:51,692 Thank you. Thank you. 44 00:01:51,694 --> 00:01:53,092 Ah-ha! 45 00:01:53,094 --> 00:01:55,892 I've always wanted... 46 00:01:55,894 --> 00:01:59,133 It's got a little red light that flashes if you're too stressed 47 00:01:59,135 --> 00:02:01,933 and you press it too hard. Do you think I'm stressed? 48 00:02:01,935 --> 00:02:05,332 Mm, maybe... And I thought I was hiding it. 49 00:02:05,334 --> 00:02:06,493 LAUGHTER 50 00:02:06,495 --> 00:02:08,812 Maybe a little bit. Keep out of it, you. 51 00:02:08,814 --> 00:02:19,333 The card's from all three of us. Thank you very much. 52 00:02:19,335 --> 00:02:21,532 We're behind you. Thank you. 53 00:02:21,534 --> 00:02:24,812 Happy anniversary. Mm-hm. 54 00:02:24,814 --> 00:02:27,893 That helps me a lot, I'll tell you. 55 00:02:27,895 --> 00:02:29,812 We have statements from prostitutes 56 00:02:29,814 --> 00:02:33,213 putting Halliwell with Becky in the lead-up to the murder. 57 00:02:33,215 --> 00:02:35,252 We have the guy he shared a cell with 58 00:02:35,254 --> 00:02:38,213 saying that he liked to strangle women during sex. 59 00:02:38,215 --> 00:02:39,412 It's all there. 60 00:02:39,414 --> 00:02:41,692 Eight murders, he told his mate on the phone. 61 00:02:41,694 --> 00:02:43,653 Now, we know about two. 62 00:02:43,655 --> 00:02:45,453 Who's out there looking for the other six? 63 00:02:45,455 --> 00:02:49,933 It's not me. I'm sat on my arse on restricted duties. 64 00:02:49,935 --> 00:02:52,733 Have they, er, set a date for your disciplinary hearing? 65 00:02:52,735 --> 00:02:56,132 Before the end of the year. 66 00:02:56,134 --> 00:02:58,972 Meanwhile, I'm in total... 67 00:02:58,974 --> 00:03:00,773 ..limbo. 68 00:03:00,775 --> 00:03:03,812 No case, no team. 69 00:03:03,814 --> 00:03:05,692 The knives are out for me, too. 70 00:03:05,694 --> 00:03:08,173 What? Mike Veale suddenly announced to me 71 00:03:08,175 --> 00:03:10,373 that he didn't need me as a staff officer any more. 72 00:03:10,375 --> 00:03:11,733 He thought I'd resign. 73 00:03:11,735 --> 00:03:13,012 I refused to. 74 00:03:13,014 --> 00:03:17,012 Then I find this week that he's appointed a new staff officer. 75 00:03:17,014 --> 00:03:18,613 It's a joke. 76 00:03:18,615 --> 00:03:23,373 I mean, this is my problem. They can't go after you, too. 77 00:03:23,375 --> 00:03:25,733 I'm going to have this out with them. 78 00:03:25,735 --> 00:03:28,572 Steve, don't. Steve... 79 00:03:28,574 --> 00:03:30,532 Pat, can I have a quick word? Steve... 80 00:03:30,534 --> 00:03:32,733 Listen, I know there's a lot of flak flying around, 81 00:03:32,735 --> 00:03:33,733 but it's not fair to... 82 00:03:33,735 --> 00:03:36,173 What's wrong with your phone? I've been trying to call you. 83 00:03:36,175 --> 00:03:38,173 I had it on charge. Mike Veale wants to see you. 84 00:03:38,175 --> 00:03:39,532 OK. 85 00:03:39,534 --> 00:03:42,733 I'll tell him you're on your way. 86 00:03:42,735 --> 00:03:45,252 25 years Halliwell got. That's Karen. 87 00:03:45,254 --> 00:03:50,252 He'll get out, so he'll have plenty of his life in front of him. 88 00:03:50,254 --> 00:03:52,132 I feel for her, of course I do. But... 89 00:03:52,134 --> 00:03:53,733 Fulcher broke the law. 90 00:03:53,735 --> 00:03:55,173 You know that. 91 00:03:55,175 --> 00:03:58,292 I don't really know what I think any more, to be honest. 92 00:03:58,294 --> 00:04:01,653 I know I'd rather not get into this right here and now with Karen. 93 00:04:01,655 --> 00:04:03,173 I'll sign. Oh, thank you. 94 00:04:03,175 --> 00:04:07,572 Thank you very much. 95 00:04:07,574 --> 00:04:10,213 You're actually the first. That's... It's all my family there. 96 00:04:10,215 --> 00:04:13,773 That's... That's me at the top. 97 00:04:13,775 --> 00:04:23,012 Thank you. 98 00:04:23,014 --> 00:04:25,452 25 years... 99 00:04:25,454 --> 00:04:32,332 ..Halliwell got. And he'll get out. 100 00:04:32,334 --> 00:04:34,373 HE KNOCKS Mike wanted to see me? 101 00:04:34,375 --> 00:04:39,892 Oh, right, Steve. Just a minute. 102 00:04:39,894 --> 00:04:43,173 KNOCK ON DOOR 103 00:04:43,175 --> 00:04:44,853 HE CLEARS HIS THROAT 104 00:04:44,855 --> 00:04:46,812 Mike will see you now. 105 00:04:46,814 --> 00:04:49,652 Thank you. 106 00:04:49,654 --> 00:04:51,613 Hello, Steve. Come in. Sit down. 107 00:04:51,615 --> 00:04:52,692 DOOR CLOSES 108 00:04:52,694 --> 00:04:56,212 Mike. Kier. Steve. 109 00:04:56,214 --> 00:04:58,533 I asked DCS Pritchard to be here this morning 110 00:04:58,535 --> 00:05:02,452 to make a note of everything. 111 00:05:02,454 --> 00:05:05,293 Now, I have to tell you, Steve, that I am suspending you from duty 112 00:05:05,295 --> 00:05:06,692 with immediate effect. 113 00:05:06,694 --> 00:05:08,853 It's been brought to my attention 114 00:05:08,855 --> 00:05:11,613 that you had an unauthorised meeting with a member of the press, 115 00:05:11,615 --> 00:05:13,652 the ITV journalist Rob Murphy, 116 00:05:13,654 --> 00:05:15,933 during which you discussed Operation Mayan. 117 00:05:15,935 --> 00:05:20,892 This is a meeting that you were expressly forbidden to attend. 118 00:05:20,894 --> 00:05:23,892 An officer from a neighbouring force happened to be in the pub that night 119 00:05:23,894 --> 00:05:26,892 and witnessed the meeting and reported it to Kier. 120 00:05:26,894 --> 00:05:29,132 Well, as you know, Steve, I expressly told you 121 00:05:29,134 --> 00:05:33,493 you're not to do any interviews with journalists. 122 00:05:33,495 --> 00:05:36,692 I don't recall any conversation along those lines, Kier. 123 00:05:36,694 --> 00:05:38,733 I mentioned it at one of the routines recently. 124 00:05:38,735 --> 00:05:41,332 Mm-hm. 125 00:05:41,334 --> 00:05:43,533 Now, I consider this matter to be serious enough 126 00:05:43,535 --> 00:05:46,053 to warrant immediate suspension. 127 00:05:46,055 --> 00:05:51,053 Do you have anything to say? No, I don't. 128 00:05:51,055 --> 00:06:03,373 Very well, could you please give me your pass and warrant card? 129 00:06:03,375 --> 00:06:05,772 You will now be escorted from the premises by Tom, 130 00:06:05,774 --> 00:06:07,452 who's waiting for you outside. 131 00:06:07,454 --> 00:06:08,853 He'll accompany you to your house 132 00:06:08,855 --> 00:06:10,692 to recover any force documents or property. 133 00:06:10,694 --> 00:06:12,892 Do you understand what I've said to you? 134 00:06:12,894 --> 00:06:15,093 I do. 135 00:06:15,095 --> 00:06:17,572 I'll ask you again if you have anything to say. 136 00:06:17,574 --> 00:06:20,452 I don't. 137 00:06:20,454 --> 00:06:33,134 Fine. That's everything. 138 00:06:40,495 --> 00:06:42,212 Er, I'll take the phone. 139 00:06:42,214 --> 00:06:50,772 Can I at least call my wife? I'm afraid not. 140 00:06:50,774 --> 00:07:03,935 Oh, could I have that, please, sir? 141 00:07:20,894 --> 00:07:33,334 Are you coming in? 142 00:07:37,334 --> 00:07:40,053 Oh, it's Steve. 143 00:07:40,055 --> 00:07:41,973 Maughan and Ned are here. 144 00:07:41,975 --> 00:07:44,652 Er, where's the laptop, please? What's going on? 145 00:07:44,654 --> 00:07:47,373 It's in the kitchen on the dining table. 146 00:07:47,375 --> 00:07:49,933 Would you accompany me in there, please? Steve...? 147 00:07:49,935 --> 00:07:51,692 I've been suspended. What?! 148 00:07:51,694 --> 00:07:54,652 My mum and dad are in there. Can I get it for you? 149 00:07:54,654 --> 00:07:59,053 I'm sorry. 150 00:07:59,055 --> 00:08:00,692 Hi, folks. Hello. 151 00:08:00,694 --> 00:08:07,012 Hi, Steve. Hello. 152 00:08:07,014 --> 00:08:09,012 Is this it? Yes. 153 00:08:09,014 --> 00:08:15,582 Everything all right? Yes, it's a work thing. 154 00:08:15,584 --> 00:08:16,479 Last Wednesday, we had a free period 155 00:08:16,481 --> 00:08:18,287 and she was going round all of the toilets in the school 156 00:08:18,289 --> 00:08:20,722 and she slid under all the doors, locked them, 157 00:08:20,724 --> 00:08:23,335 and then slid back out again so that all the doors, 158 00:08:23,337 --> 00:08:24,638 all the toilets in the whole school were locked. 159 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,246 How stupid. Mm, goodness. 160 00:08:26,248 --> 00:08:28,778 I mean, it's kind of silly for her to get expelled, 161 00:08:28,780 --> 00:08:31,123 because she's a good student, she's got good grades. 162 00:08:31,125 --> 00:08:34,243 It's not that big a deal, it's just a joke. Just cos she's your friend. 163 00:08:34,245 --> 00:08:37,003 Do you remember Amelia who was here last week? 164 00:08:37,005 --> 00:08:39,202 Oh, yeah. You know, the really bitchy one. 165 00:08:39,204 --> 00:08:41,403 She's not really bitchy. Yes, she is. 166 00:08:41,405 --> 00:08:50,043 She's not that bad. But she's started to... 167 00:08:50,045 --> 00:08:59,163 Don't worry. 168 00:08:59,165 --> 00:09:00,763 Er, would you like to come through? 169 00:09:00,765 --> 00:09:04,643 Thank you. 170 00:09:04,645 --> 00:09:06,482 Thank you for coming to see me, Mrs Edwards. 171 00:09:06,484 --> 00:09:09,602 The IPCC is an independent body 172 00:09:09,604 --> 00:09:13,842 that's been set up to examine complaints against the police. 173 00:09:13,844 --> 00:09:17,602 I've asked you to come and see me today to discuss a complaint 174 00:09:17,604 --> 00:09:21,043 that has been made against the officer leading the investigation 175 00:09:21,045 --> 00:09:23,082 into the murder of your daughter Rebecca. 176 00:09:23,084 --> 00:09:25,283 Against Steve Fulcher? 177 00:09:25,285 --> 00:09:28,403 Detective Superintendent Fulcher, that's correct. 178 00:09:28,405 --> 00:09:31,202 I wanted to know if you wanted to add your name 179 00:09:31,204 --> 00:09:34,523 to the complaint against him. 180 00:09:34,525 --> 00:09:37,003 Who's made this complaint? 181 00:09:37,005 --> 00:09:39,322 Rebecca's father, John Godden. 182 00:09:39,324 --> 00:09:41,523 You're joking! John?! 183 00:09:41,525 --> 00:09:43,163 Oh, you've got to be kidding! That's... 184 00:09:43,165 --> 00:09:45,923 Have you met John Godden? 185 00:09:45,925 --> 00:09:47,682 All complaints about the police 186 00:09:47,684 --> 00:09:49,883 must be dealt with without prejudice. 187 00:09:49,885 --> 00:09:53,082 And it has been deemed that the points Mr Godden has raised 188 00:09:53,084 --> 00:09:55,562 are serious enough to warrant an investigation. 189 00:09:55,564 --> 00:09:58,602 Specifically, Detective Superintendent Fulcher's failure 190 00:09:58,604 --> 00:10:00,523 to apply the rules of PACE 191 00:10:00,525 --> 00:10:04,243 to his interview with the chief suspect Christopher Halliwell 192 00:10:04,245 --> 00:10:06,643 and prevented justice for his daughter. 193 00:10:06,645 --> 00:10:10,082 But if it wasn't for Steve Fulcher we'd never have found our daughter. 194 00:10:10,084 --> 00:10:12,243 So, how does he work that one out? 195 00:10:12,245 --> 00:10:14,442 So, you don't agree with your ex-husband's view 196 00:10:14,444 --> 00:10:17,163 about Chief Superintendent Fulcher's conduct? 197 00:10:17,165 --> 00:10:18,883 No. We bloody don't. 198 00:10:18,885 --> 00:10:21,322 If Mrs Edwards could answer the question, please. 199 00:10:21,324 --> 00:10:22,842 No, I bloody well don't! 200 00:10:22,844 --> 00:10:24,523 We've got to help him, Charlie. 201 00:10:24,525 --> 00:10:26,562 We can't leave him to be thrown to the wolves. 202 00:10:26,564 --> 00:10:27,883 You know, I'm sure it suits them 203 00:10:27,885 --> 00:10:29,482 to make out he's the one that messed up. 204 00:10:29,484 --> 00:10:31,202 You know, "It's not us, it's him." 205 00:10:31,204 --> 00:10:33,602 But you can't take on everyone, Karen. 206 00:10:33,604 --> 00:10:35,043 So, they're after Steve's blood. 207 00:10:35,045 --> 00:10:37,243 But the man who murdered Becky has got away with it. 208 00:10:37,245 --> 00:10:41,842 How do you work that one out? Come on, love, get in. 209 00:10:41,844 --> 00:10:55,365 No, justice for Steve is justice for Becky. 210 00:10:59,045 --> 00:11:00,883 It's only a bloody can of Coke. 211 00:11:00,885 --> 00:11:02,722 He just had to ask first. 212 00:11:02,724 --> 00:11:09,482 And I have told him that time and time again. 213 00:11:09,484 --> 00:11:12,163 He has no male role model in his life. 214 00:11:12,165 --> 00:11:15,442 Mick only sees him every other weekend. 215 00:11:15,444 --> 00:11:19,202 To all intents and purposes, I'm his father now. 216 00:11:19,204 --> 00:11:21,482 Let me in, Elaine. 217 00:11:21,484 --> 00:11:22,722 I want to help. 218 00:11:22,724 --> 00:11:30,363 DOORBELL RINGS 219 00:11:30,365 --> 00:11:32,562 DOOR OPENS Lauren! 220 00:11:32,564 --> 00:11:35,442 I was just passing. Come in. It's so lovely to see you. 221 00:11:35,444 --> 00:11:41,082 Come in. 222 00:11:41,084 --> 00:11:46,202 Are you going to come and say hello? I'm all right in here. 223 00:11:46,204 --> 00:11:48,643 Elaine... This is my daughter. 224 00:11:48,645 --> 00:11:51,602 We don't get on, Pete. Yeah, I know. 225 00:11:51,604 --> 00:11:59,802 But can't you just be the bigger person? 226 00:11:59,804 --> 00:12:08,562 Come on, love, let's go through. 227 00:12:08,564 --> 00:12:11,562 TELEPHONE RINGS 228 00:12:11,564 --> 00:12:14,243 Hello? 229 00:12:14,245 --> 00:12:15,883 Of course. 230 00:12:15,885 --> 00:12:17,842 OK, he's ready to see you now. 231 00:12:17,844 --> 00:12:19,482 Thank you very much. 232 00:12:19,484 --> 00:12:21,482 This is a great pleasure to meet you, Mr Edwards. 233 00:12:21,484 --> 00:12:22,842 Charlie. Please... 234 00:12:22,844 --> 00:12:24,802 Thank you very much for seeing us, Mr Buckland. 235 00:12:24,804 --> 00:12:26,842 Not at all. I know you must be very busy. 236 00:12:26,844 --> 00:12:29,043 You've got all the documents I sent you. Mm. 237 00:12:29,045 --> 00:12:30,602 I feel very passionate about this. 238 00:12:30,604 --> 00:12:33,082 Halliwell must be prosecuted for the murder of my daughter. 239 00:12:33,084 --> 00:12:36,003 Not just so Becky gets justice, but cos the police officer involved, 240 00:12:36,005 --> 00:12:38,763 Detective Superintendent Fulcher, because it's not fair 241 00:12:38,765 --> 00:12:40,962 that he should be facing losing his career over this 242 00:12:40,964 --> 00:12:43,523 when all he did was try to save... Karen, not all at once. 243 00:12:43,525 --> 00:12:46,363 You're bombarding the man. 244 00:12:46,365 --> 00:12:48,082 Sorry. It's just, once I start, I... 245 00:12:48,084 --> 00:12:51,163 ..I find it hard to stop. 246 00:12:51,165 --> 00:12:54,722 But what I wanted to say, and I know you're a lawyer yourself, 247 00:12:54,724 --> 00:12:57,802 is I think there's a grey area here with PACE. 248 00:12:57,804 --> 00:13:00,562 I agree. 249 00:13:00,564 --> 00:13:02,163 You agree? 250 00:13:02,165 --> 00:13:03,722 Yes. 251 00:13:03,724 --> 00:13:06,482 Yeah, I think PACE does need to be looked at. 252 00:13:06,484 --> 00:13:08,082 So... 253 00:13:08,084 --> 00:13:09,602 ..can you help us? 254 00:13:09,604 --> 00:13:11,643 You've started a petition? 255 00:13:11,645 --> 00:13:14,682 Yes, we've got over 7,000 signatures so far. 256 00:13:14,684 --> 00:13:17,322 Right, you need to get that number up as high as you possibly can. 257 00:13:17,324 --> 00:13:18,643 If I'm to lobby the Government, 258 00:13:18,645 --> 00:13:20,842 the higher the number, the more they'll take notice. 259 00:13:20,844 --> 00:13:23,283 And you also need to keep on doing your radio and TV interviews 260 00:13:23,285 --> 00:13:25,923 whenever you get the chance. 261 00:13:25,925 --> 00:13:28,243 You see, the more the campaign features in the press, 262 00:13:28,245 --> 00:13:31,123 the likelihood increases that the Government 263 00:13:31,125 --> 00:13:33,643 could ask Wiltshire Police Service some awkward questions. 264 00:13:33,645 --> 00:13:35,403 Oh, right. 265 00:13:35,405 --> 00:13:37,043 You need to be visible, Mrs Edwards, 266 00:13:37,045 --> 00:13:39,243 and make people aware of PACE's limitations. 267 00:13:39,245 --> 00:13:41,923 But to answer your question simply, then... 268 00:13:41,925 --> 00:13:45,722 ..yes, I'd like to try and help you. 269 00:13:45,724 --> 00:13:53,523 Oh, thank you! Thank you very much, Mr Buckland! 270 00:13:53,525 --> 00:13:55,243 Hey. Hi! 271 00:13:55,245 --> 00:13:58,363 Hi, how are you doing? 272 00:13:58,365 --> 00:13:59,883 Nice to see you. 273 00:13:59,885 --> 00:14:01,562 Can I get you a drink? 274 00:14:01,564 --> 00:14:03,322 Erm, red wine. Mm-hm. 275 00:14:03,324 --> 00:14:04,523 Thank you. 276 00:14:04,525 --> 00:14:06,883 They've sent a file off to the Crown Prosecution Service 277 00:14:06,885 --> 00:14:08,643 for a criminal prosecution against you. 278 00:14:08,645 --> 00:14:10,363 Criminal? What for? 279 00:14:10,365 --> 00:14:11,763 Malfeasance in a public office. 280 00:14:11,765 --> 00:14:13,442 Malfeasance?! 281 00:14:13,444 --> 00:14:14,883 They want to put him in prison now? 282 00:14:14,885 --> 00:14:16,523 Malfeasance is about abuse of office. 283 00:14:16,525 --> 00:14:18,523 Trying to find Sian alive 284 00:14:18,525 --> 00:14:21,283 and trying to recover the body of a missing girl isn't malfeasance. 285 00:14:21,285 --> 00:14:24,322 I mean, if that's the case, who is the victim? 286 00:14:24,324 --> 00:14:26,722 Hm? It'd have to be Halliwell. 287 00:14:26,724 --> 00:14:29,283 The prosecution case would have to be that, but for my actions, 288 00:14:29,285 --> 00:14:31,883 poor old Christopher Halliwell would be a free man. 289 00:14:31,885 --> 00:14:35,043 Well, the CPS threw it out. But it shows you their mind-set. 290 00:14:35,045 --> 00:14:37,682 Seems they want to get you for something. I'm going to the loo. 291 00:14:37,684 --> 00:14:43,763 I may well throw up. 292 00:14:43,765 --> 00:14:47,602 This is driving her mad. 293 00:14:47,604 --> 00:14:50,123 She wants me to resign. 294 00:14:50,125 --> 00:14:53,322 And do what? I've been a detective for more than 20 years. 295 00:14:53,324 --> 00:14:55,123 Please, don't jump yet, Steve. 296 00:14:55,125 --> 00:14:56,562 At least wait until you see a lawyer 297 00:14:56,564 --> 00:14:58,763 about your defence for the disciplinary hearing. 298 00:14:58,765 --> 00:15:01,722 Hear what he has to say. I can't believe they won't exonerate you 299 00:15:01,724 --> 00:15:03,403 once they hear the evidence. Mm-hm. 300 00:15:03,405 --> 00:15:06,003 What's happening to you is horrible and unfair. 301 00:15:06,005 --> 00:15:08,802 But you mustn't give in. 302 00:15:08,804 --> 00:15:11,643 I'm not an expert and I've never done anything like this before. 303 00:15:11,645 --> 00:15:14,602 And I've discovered I actually hate the sound of my own voice. 304 00:15:14,604 --> 00:15:16,442 CHUCKLING 305 00:15:16,444 --> 00:15:20,003 But I am a mother who has lost her daughter. 306 00:15:20,005 --> 00:15:23,722 And I feel that gives me the right to speak my mind. 307 00:15:23,724 --> 00:15:28,682 Because I am absolutely raging about this inside. 308 00:15:28,684 --> 00:15:30,003 My daughter had her problems. 309 00:15:30,005 --> 00:15:33,082 But that doesn't mean she doesn't deserve justice. 310 00:15:33,084 --> 00:15:36,883 That doesn't mean we should treat her any differently to anybody else 311 00:15:36,885 --> 00:15:40,562 who's had their life snatched away from them. 312 00:15:40,564 --> 00:15:45,363 I'm asking the Government to urgently review Code C of PACE, 313 00:15:45,365 --> 00:15:49,322 which covers the detention, treatment and questioning 314 00:15:49,324 --> 00:15:52,283 of suspects by police officers. 315 00:15:52,285 --> 00:15:56,243 PACE is nearly 30 years old and it was brought in because of concerns 316 00:15:56,245 --> 00:15:59,243 over the way the police were behaving with people in custody. 317 00:15:59,245 --> 00:16:01,202 Which I understand. 318 00:16:01,204 --> 00:16:03,363 But what Steve Fulcher faced 319 00:16:03,365 --> 00:16:05,962 were a very, very unusual set of circumstances. 320 00:16:05,964 --> 00:16:09,082 And I feel there should be more flexibility 321 00:16:09,084 --> 00:16:13,923 when police officers arrest people in situations like that. 322 00:16:13,925 --> 00:16:16,202 Because I don't want anybody else to suffer 323 00:16:16,204 --> 00:16:20,202 what we have been through as a family. 324 00:16:20,204 --> 00:16:33,724 Thank you. Thank you very much. 325 00:16:38,204 --> 00:16:39,923 I love you. I love you, too. 326 00:16:39,925 --> 00:16:50,322 See you soon. 327 00:16:50,324 --> 00:16:52,722 Excuse me, it's Karen, isn't it? I'm Yvonne. 328 00:16:52,724 --> 00:16:54,562 Steve's wife. I just want to say hello. 329 00:16:54,564 --> 00:16:56,323 Oh, how lovely to meet you. 330 00:16:56,325 --> 00:16:58,482 This is my husband Charlie. 331 00:16:58,484 --> 00:17:00,722 I am so sorry Steve's having to go through this. 332 00:17:00,724 --> 00:17:02,923 In my opinion, it's an absolute disgrace 333 00:17:02,925 --> 00:17:05,282 and please don't think we had anything to do with it. 334 00:17:05,284 --> 00:17:07,803 This is all down to him. And when I heard he'd made a complaint, 335 00:17:07,805 --> 00:17:09,403 after all Steve has done for us, 336 00:17:09,405 --> 00:17:11,323 I could have wrung his neck. 337 00:17:11,325 --> 00:17:13,722 Nice to meet you. Erm, I was going to go outside. 338 00:17:13,724 --> 00:17:16,123 I'm not allowed to stay in here. Oh, that's ridiculous. 339 00:17:16,125 --> 00:17:18,323 Don't you worry, love. We'll look after him. 340 00:17:18,325 --> 00:17:24,323 Thanks. 341 00:17:24,325 --> 00:17:25,643 Good morning, everyone. 342 00:17:25,645 --> 00:17:28,803 I am Chief Constable Andy Parker from Warwickshire Police 343 00:17:28,805 --> 00:17:30,682 and I'll be chairing this hearing. 344 00:17:30,684 --> 00:17:32,722 There are some of you that I haven't met before. 345 00:17:32,724 --> 00:17:34,962 I wonder if we can begin by you telling us your names? 346 00:17:34,964 --> 00:17:37,363 Anna Proctor, IPCC. 347 00:17:37,365 --> 00:17:38,643 Thank you. 348 00:17:38,645 --> 00:17:42,083 The gentleman at the back? Er... 349 00:17:42,085 --> 00:17:44,242 My name is John Godden. 350 00:17:44,244 --> 00:17:48,803 Father of Rebecca Godden. 351 00:17:48,805 --> 00:17:53,242 David Godden, John's brother. 352 00:17:53,244 --> 00:17:56,643 Karen Edwards, mother of Rebecca Godden-Edwards. 353 00:17:56,645 --> 00:17:59,482 Could you just hang on a minute, cos I...? 354 00:17:59,484 --> 00:18:00,923 I think I'm on the wrong side here. 355 00:18:00,925 --> 00:18:02,843 Cos I don't want to be associated with this lot. 356 00:18:02,845 --> 00:18:04,762 Because we're here to support Steve Fulcher. 357 00:18:04,764 --> 00:18:08,363 So, were going to... Come on, Charlie. 358 00:18:08,365 --> 00:18:12,803 Thank you. 359 00:18:12,805 --> 00:18:19,363 Thank you. Carry on. 360 00:18:19,365 --> 00:18:21,202 The first allegation concerns a complaint 361 00:18:21,204 --> 00:18:23,363 brought against you by Mr Godden. 362 00:18:23,365 --> 00:18:25,563 It is alleged that your behaviour, 363 00:18:25,565 --> 00:18:28,762 when dealing with Mr Halliwell on 24th March, 2011, 364 00:18:28,764 --> 00:18:31,803 fell below the standards of professional behaviour 365 00:18:31,805 --> 00:18:35,883 required of an officer of your standing. 366 00:18:35,885 --> 00:18:38,923 Do you admit or deny the allegation? 367 00:18:38,925 --> 00:18:40,923 I deny the allegation. 368 00:18:40,925 --> 00:18:42,442 Allegation two. 369 00:18:42,444 --> 00:18:45,803 It is alleged by your employer, Wiltshire Police, 370 00:18:45,805 --> 00:18:48,923 that, by having inappropriate contact with the media, 371 00:18:48,925 --> 00:18:52,242 your conduct again fell below the same standards. 372 00:18:52,244 --> 00:18:54,563 Do you admit or deny the allegation? 373 00:18:54,565 --> 00:18:56,123 I deny the allegation. 374 00:18:56,125 --> 00:18:59,202 The provisions of PACE are quite clear, Mr Fulcher. 375 00:18:59,204 --> 00:19:01,762 I mean, they're there to protect the rights of all of us. 376 00:19:01,764 --> 00:19:03,083 Yes. 377 00:19:03,085 --> 00:19:06,123 Yet, you did not caution Christopher Halliwell as the law dictates. 378 00:19:06,125 --> 00:19:07,363 Now, why not? 379 00:19:07,365 --> 00:19:09,722 Because I felt it was disingenuous 380 00:19:09,724 --> 00:19:14,403 to begin an interview with Halliwell in those circumstances by saying, 381 00:19:14,405 --> 00:19:16,042 "You don't have to say anything." 382 00:19:16,044 --> 00:19:18,083 I felt his right to silence 383 00:19:18,085 --> 00:19:21,603 directly conflicted with Sian's right to life. 384 00:19:21,605 --> 00:19:23,923 Er, a little while later, Halliwell says to you, 385 00:19:23,925 --> 00:19:27,123 "Do you want another one?" Now, what did you understand this to mean? 386 00:19:27,125 --> 00:19:30,242 It wasn't actually clear, initially, what it meant. 387 00:19:30,244 --> 00:19:32,442 Well, if it wasn't clear, wouldn't it have been better 388 00:19:32,444 --> 00:19:33,962 to arrest him for Sian, caution him, 389 00:19:33,964 --> 00:19:36,722 and then clarify things on the other one back at the police station? 390 00:19:36,724 --> 00:19:38,923 But they wouldn't have been clarified, would they? 391 00:19:38,925 --> 00:19:41,202 His solicitor would've advised him to go, "No comment," 392 00:19:41,204 --> 00:19:43,123 and that would've been that. Not necessarily. 393 00:19:43,125 --> 00:19:45,803 He could've been properly cautioned, brought back to the station 394 00:19:45,805 --> 00:19:48,722 and then revealed the victim's whereabouts. 395 00:19:48,724 --> 00:19:50,923 That's the difference between theory and practice. 396 00:19:50,925 --> 00:19:53,282 I mean, in practice, that has never happened. 397 00:19:53,284 --> 00:19:55,002 Not once, in my whole career. 398 00:19:55,004 --> 00:19:57,722 Now, if you had arrested him and cautioned him at that point, 399 00:19:57,724 --> 00:19:59,123 then everything that followed 400 00:19:59,125 --> 00:20:01,002 would have remained admissible in evidence. 401 00:20:01,004 --> 00:20:04,083 Not to do so was a gross error of judgment on your part, wasn't it? 402 00:20:04,085 --> 00:20:11,242 I don't believe it was, no. 403 00:20:11,244 --> 00:20:14,482 I feel like a madman in a roomful of people who don't understand me. 404 00:20:14,484 --> 00:20:27,091 I'm saying the same thing over and over again and nobody's listening. 405 00:20:28,733 --> 00:20:32,301 Mr Geenty, you've always supported Steve Fulcher's reasoning 406 00:20:32,303 --> 00:20:35,058 for not cautioning Christopher Halliwell, haven't you? 407 00:20:35,060 --> 00:20:37,617 I have no doubt about his good faith that day. 408 00:20:37,619 --> 00:20:40,417 Yes, but his judgment, his reasoning. 409 00:20:40,419 --> 00:20:44,778 At the pre-trial hearing, before the Sian O'Callaghan trial, you said, 410 00:20:44,780 --> 00:20:48,377 "I think the decision Steve made was, 411 00:20:48,379 --> 00:20:51,897 "to use the slang, a gutsy decision. 412 00:20:51,899 --> 00:20:54,258 "And I'd like to think I would make a similar decision 413 00:20:54,260 --> 00:20:56,457 "in the same circumstances." 414 00:20:56,459 --> 00:20:58,657 Well, that was when he was still hoping 415 00:20:58,659 --> 00:21:00,217 that Sian might be found alive. 416 00:21:00,219 --> 00:21:01,778 We all were. 417 00:21:01,780 --> 00:21:03,538 But I disagree with his judgment 418 00:21:03,540 --> 00:21:07,897 when it came to him being offered information about the second body. 419 00:21:07,899 --> 00:21:11,657 That is where I think PACE and the protection of the suspect 420 00:21:11,659 --> 00:21:13,578 would have become paramount 421 00:21:13,580 --> 00:21:16,498 because tragically, at that point, when he knew Sian was dead, 422 00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:19,417 the urgent interview provision no longer applied. 423 00:21:19,419 --> 00:21:22,978 So you agree with his actions in relation to Sian, but not to Becky? 424 00:21:22,980 --> 00:21:26,457 No, I believe, at that point, in the heat of the moment, 425 00:21:26,459 --> 00:21:28,417 he could not have been thinking clearly. 426 00:21:28,419 --> 00:21:33,098 So what are you saying, then? That Becky doesn't matter? 427 00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:35,657 Would it be fair to say that Steve Fulcher 428 00:21:35,659 --> 00:21:39,217 was by far the most experienced SIO that Wiltshire had 429 00:21:39,219 --> 00:21:41,578 at the point of the Sian and Becky investigation? 430 00:21:41,580 --> 00:21:45,018 Steve has demonstrated that he has a solid track record. 431 00:21:45,020 --> 00:21:47,338 And that, whatever else this case is about, 432 00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:51,897 there is no doubt that he is an outstandingly good police officer. 433 00:21:51,899 --> 00:21:54,578 He is a very competent officer, yes. 434 00:21:54,580 --> 00:21:57,098 Now, in spite of the fact that it's normal for senior officers 435 00:21:57,100 --> 00:21:59,298 to give off-the-record media briefings, 436 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:02,617 you say you had a conversation with Steve Fulcher 437 00:22:02,619 --> 00:22:05,978 to tell him of an order by the then Deputy Chief Constable Geenty 438 00:22:05,980 --> 00:22:08,657 that he wasn't to do any interviews with journalists. 439 00:22:08,659 --> 00:22:10,098 That is correct, yes. 440 00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:13,058 You made an entry into your diary that day, didn't you? 441 00:22:13,060 --> 00:22:15,298 You record 16 points 442 00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:18,018 relating to various matters you'd discussed with him. 443 00:22:18,020 --> 00:22:20,578 But the one thing you haven't recorded 444 00:22:20,580 --> 00:22:22,258 is any mention of Steve Fulcher 445 00:22:22,260 --> 00:22:24,217 being told not to speak to the media. 446 00:22:24,219 --> 00:22:27,058 I spoke to Steve Fulcher about DCC Geenty's order 447 00:22:27,060 --> 00:22:30,177 at the end of the conversation. 448 00:22:30,179 --> 00:22:32,857 Those other points were from the first part of the conversation. 449 00:22:32,859 --> 00:22:34,857 But surely, Mr Geenty's order 450 00:22:34,859 --> 00:22:37,657 would've been the most important part of that conversation, 451 00:22:37,659 --> 00:22:41,058 based on the fact that Steve Fulcher stands here today 452 00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:43,657 with the prospect of losing his career because of it? 453 00:22:43,659 --> 00:22:45,498 I didn't feel it necessary to have recorded 454 00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:46,897 that part of the conversation. 455 00:22:46,899 --> 00:22:50,177 But I can assure you that it did happen. 456 00:22:50,179 --> 00:22:52,538 Is this actually misconduct at all? 457 00:22:52,540 --> 00:22:55,818 In both instances, the failure to caution Christopher Halliwell 458 00:22:55,820 --> 00:22:58,818 and the interviews Detective Superintendent Fulcher 459 00:22:58,820 --> 00:23:00,338 gave to the media, 460 00:23:00,340 --> 00:23:02,657 might not many members of the public say, 461 00:23:02,659 --> 00:23:06,978 "Surely, there are better ways for the police service and the IPCC 462 00:23:06,980 --> 00:23:08,978 "to deal with such matters? 463 00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:11,978 "Are you really satisfied, based on the evidence before you, 464 00:23:11,980 --> 00:23:14,657 "that you could take the steps to remove this man's career?" 465 00:23:14,659 --> 00:23:17,018 Thank you, Mr Beggs. Are there any questions 466 00:23:17,020 --> 00:23:19,498 from Rebecca's family members present today? 467 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:23,778 Well, not from me. I'm very happy with how it's gone. 468 00:23:23,780 --> 00:23:26,778 Mrs Edwards? I agree with Mr Beggs. 469 00:23:26,780 --> 00:23:30,417 It seems ridiculous all this public money's been spent on this. 470 00:23:30,419 --> 00:23:32,137 Thank you, both. 471 00:23:32,139 --> 00:23:34,738 Well, we shall now retire to consider our judgment. 472 00:23:34,740 --> 00:23:37,338 You will be informed of our verdict in due course, 473 00:23:37,340 --> 00:23:39,538 when this hearing will reconvene. 474 00:23:39,540 --> 00:23:51,820 Thank you. 475 00:24:14,219 --> 00:24:25,978 MAN: Come on, you reds! 476 00:24:25,980 --> 00:24:27,258 My sister got in a cab with him. 477 00:24:27,260 --> 00:24:29,177 With Halliwell? Yeah. 478 00:24:29,179 --> 00:24:32,697 She seen his picture in the paper and she was sure it was him. 479 00:24:32,699 --> 00:24:35,538 She gets in his cab and he drives her the wrong way, 480 00:24:35,540 --> 00:24:38,457 out towards Savernake Forest, acting all weird, like. 481 00:24:38,459 --> 00:24:41,217 She screams and opens the door and someone sees them. 482 00:24:41,219 --> 00:24:43,377 And he pulls over and lets her out. 483 00:24:43,379 --> 00:24:45,578 Says he was just having a laugh with her. 484 00:24:45,580 --> 00:24:50,978 She doesn't know how lucky she is. Yeah, that's what my mum says. 485 00:24:50,980 --> 00:24:53,978 All right, thank you. Thank you. 486 00:24:53,980 --> 00:24:56,417 We just wanted to check that you were OK. 487 00:24:56,419 --> 00:24:58,978 See if you had any worries or questions. 488 00:24:58,980 --> 00:25:03,217 Thank you. It's much appreciated. 489 00:25:03,219 --> 00:25:06,338 I don't know if you're aware of what Karen Edwards is doing. 490 00:25:06,340 --> 00:25:10,217 She's got a petition going. 491 00:25:10,219 --> 00:25:12,058 I'm aware of it, yeah. 492 00:25:12,060 --> 00:25:15,617 Her support for Stephen Fulcher is very commendable, but... 493 00:25:15,619 --> 00:25:18,738 ..Wiltshire Police Service feel it is... 494 00:25:18,740 --> 00:25:21,058 ..misguided. 495 00:25:21,060 --> 00:25:25,657 Our position is that Fulcher shouldn't have breached PACE. 496 00:25:25,659 --> 00:25:28,978 Yeah, that's how we feel. 497 00:25:28,980 --> 00:25:31,177 We would have found Sian's body anyway. 498 00:25:31,179 --> 00:25:35,578 That's good to know. 499 00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:39,058 We've heard from Karen's FLO that she would like to meet you. 500 00:25:39,060 --> 00:25:41,457 Would you be interested in us arranging that? 501 00:25:41,459 --> 00:25:44,738 No, I wouldn't. Thank you. 502 00:25:44,740 --> 00:25:47,298 After she got in the car with him... 503 00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:53,098 ..I keep wondering what happened to her after that. 504 00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:58,857 I torment myself wondering if it was quick. 505 00:25:58,859 --> 00:26:01,298 Erm... 506 00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:06,538 He pleaded guilty, so we didn't have to give a detailed account in court. 507 00:26:06,540 --> 00:26:08,217 Or at least... 508 00:26:08,219 --> 00:26:11,417 ..one that we could challenge. 509 00:26:11,419 --> 00:26:13,617 Did she know what he was going to do with her? 510 00:26:13,619 --> 00:26:17,098 Was she frightened? 511 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:20,857 Halliwell said that he killed her quickly. 512 00:26:20,859 --> 00:26:23,937 Within a few minutes of setting off. 513 00:26:23,939 --> 00:26:28,617 She started struggling, so he stabbed her. 514 00:26:28,619 --> 00:26:31,018 Erm... 515 00:26:31,020 --> 00:26:36,177 I don't know if I believe him. 516 00:26:36,179 --> 00:26:38,738 She wasn't wearing her boots when you found her. 517 00:26:38,740 --> 00:26:43,018 They were tight-fitting. 518 00:26:43,020 --> 00:26:45,018 When did they come off? Did...? 519 00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:57,778 Did he start to undress her? 520 00:26:57,780 --> 00:27:05,018 I just keep playing it over and over in my head. 521 00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:11,538 Different scenarios and... 522 00:27:11,540 --> 00:27:16,058 ..I just see her face, Pete. 523 00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:20,778 Terrified. 524 00:27:20,780 --> 00:27:22,298 Come here... 525 00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:23,697 It's OK. 526 00:27:23,699 --> 00:27:26,177 Come here. 527 00:27:26,179 --> 00:27:29,778 Shh... 528 00:27:29,780 --> 00:27:33,177 HE SIGHS 529 00:27:33,179 --> 00:27:37,457 I want to look after you, Elaine. 530 00:27:37,459 --> 00:27:43,137 I'm here for you, all right? 531 00:27:43,139 --> 00:27:53,857 Everything that's happened has just made me want to protect you. 532 00:27:53,859 --> 00:27:58,338 Why don't you pack it in at work? 533 00:27:58,340 --> 00:28:01,338 You hate that fucking job. 534 00:28:01,340 --> 00:28:08,417 I can support you. 535 00:28:08,419 --> 00:28:15,657 I want us to be together properly, Elaine. 536 00:28:15,659 --> 00:28:27,820 Mm. 537 00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:43,379 I have asked you not to smoke inside. 538 00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:50,498 Why don't you have a shower? HE SCOFFS 539 00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:52,978 Why don't you have a nice shower and we could go to Brighton? 540 00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:54,377 The girls are out tonight. 541 00:28:54,379 --> 00:28:56,578 We could have lunch and we wouldn't have to rush back. 542 00:28:56,580 --> 00:28:57,937 Do I smell, Yvonne? 543 00:28:57,939 --> 00:28:59,697 What? Or do I stink? 544 00:28:59,699 --> 00:29:01,377 Can you smell me from there? 545 00:29:01,379 --> 00:29:03,578 I don't know what you're talking about. 546 00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:05,058 Oh, obfuscation. 547 00:29:05,060 --> 00:29:06,978 I can tell from your answer, 548 00:29:06,980 --> 00:29:08,978 or, more accurately, your... 549 00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:11,778 ..lack of an answer, that I don't. Therefore... 550 00:29:11,780 --> 00:29:13,338 ..no need for me to shower. 551 00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:16,298 Is this you being funny? 552 00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:18,498 Anyway, I'm not allowed to leave the county 553 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,697 without getting permission from them. 554 00:29:20,699 --> 00:29:22,058 You're joking? It's true. 555 00:29:22,060 --> 00:29:28,457 I have to ask them if I can leave Wiltshire. 556 00:29:28,459 --> 00:29:31,098 Well... 557 00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:41,417 OK. 558 00:29:41,419 --> 00:29:44,498 What has happened to Steve Fulcher is nothing short of scandalous. 559 00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:48,177 Cos, without him, my daughter would be lying in a field somewhere 560 00:29:48,179 --> 00:29:50,657 without anyone knowing where she was. 561 00:29:50,659 --> 00:29:53,258 But he has been hounded from pillar to post 562 00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:55,657 while Christopher Halliwell, who murdered her, 563 00:29:55,659 --> 00:29:57,417 has never faced justice for what he did. 564 00:29:57,419 --> 00:30:00,538 Our Justice For Becky campaign is petitioning the Government 565 00:30:00,540 --> 00:30:02,018 to change the PACE law. 566 00:30:02,020 --> 00:30:05,258 So, please, sign our petition if you see us around Swindon. 567 00:30:05,260 --> 00:30:06,778 Not ideal. 568 00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:08,978 What, are you worried about a backlash 569 00:30:08,980 --> 00:30:12,338 if Karen Edwards' support for Steve Fulcher gains too much momentum? 570 00:30:12,340 --> 00:30:15,818 Because, I have to admit, it has crossed my mind. 571 00:30:15,820 --> 00:30:18,697 It's not great, from a PR point of view. No. 572 00:30:18,699 --> 00:30:22,177 Maybe we should have another think about the investigation. 573 00:30:22,179 --> 00:30:24,058 Yeah. 574 00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:26,258 I know we bicker, I know he can be... 575 00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:27,697 ..controlling. 576 00:30:27,699 --> 00:30:29,018 But... 577 00:30:29,020 --> 00:30:32,177 ..he can be so sweet. 578 00:30:32,179 --> 00:30:33,697 He's picked me up when I was down. 579 00:30:33,699 --> 00:30:36,058 He's been there for me all through this. He's been my rock. 580 00:30:36,060 --> 00:30:38,258 He did force you to get that lump on your boob checked. 581 00:30:38,260 --> 00:30:39,298 I will give him that. 582 00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:42,417 And just when I think he's exactly what I need, 583 00:30:42,419 --> 00:30:45,177 things happen and I wonder if he is. 584 00:30:45,179 --> 00:30:47,617 We've had another row because he says Aiden 585 00:30:47,619 --> 00:30:50,498 took a can of Coke out of the fridge without asking. 586 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,578 Really? A can of Coke? 587 00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:56,058 That's the, er... 588 00:30:56,060 --> 00:31:00,177 ..the police at Karen's. I wonder what they're there for. 589 00:31:00,179 --> 00:31:02,857 She asked to meet me, Karen. 590 00:31:02,859 --> 00:31:06,457 What did you say? No. 591 00:31:06,459 --> 00:31:10,457 I can't face her. I know I should, but... 592 00:31:10,459 --> 00:31:14,298 I can't really explain it. 593 00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:15,778 We have come across so many people 594 00:31:15,780 --> 00:31:17,778 who have given us information on Halliwell. 595 00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:19,738 People who say they got into his taxi with him 596 00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:21,018 and had scary experiences. 597 00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:23,937 People saying he got obsessed with women and would stalk them. 598 00:31:23,939 --> 00:31:26,778 People who can link him to girls who have gone missing. 599 00:31:26,780 --> 00:31:28,417 But it's all hearsay, Karen. 600 00:31:28,419 --> 00:31:31,417 People say they know someone who knew him 601 00:31:31,419 --> 00:31:33,697 or people who've heard something about him 602 00:31:33,699 --> 00:31:35,417 and not seen it for themselves. 603 00:31:35,419 --> 00:31:39,578 Nothing that would stand up in court. 604 00:31:39,580 --> 00:31:42,617 I'm sorry, but trying to play amateur detective 605 00:31:42,619 --> 00:31:46,058 and criticising Wiltshire Police in the media is not helping things. 606 00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:48,018 It's not all critical. 607 00:31:48,020 --> 00:31:51,457 I always tell everybody what a fantastic job Steve Fulcher did. 608 00:31:51,459 --> 00:31:53,498 And he is a Wiltshire police officer, isn't he? 609 00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:54,937 We're all in this together. 610 00:31:54,939 --> 00:31:58,137 Now, I was speaking to Sian's mum Elaine the other day 611 00:31:58,139 --> 00:32:00,298 and she was saying the same thing. 612 00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:01,857 It's a team effort. 613 00:32:01,859 --> 00:32:05,417 Did you tell her I'd asked to meet her? 614 00:32:05,419 --> 00:32:09,258 I did. And what did she say? 615 00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:10,697 Er... 616 00:32:10,699 --> 00:32:19,338 She says it's not the right time for her at the moment. 617 00:32:19,340 --> 00:32:24,538 Well, my door is always open. 618 00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:26,457 When you spoke to the psychiatrist 619 00:32:26,459 --> 00:32:28,978 about those feelings of rage, Christopher, 620 00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:31,338 of being consumed by a single thought, 621 00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:36,098 did he talk about finding a harmless release mechanism? 622 00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:39,498 For example, to think of something that calms us down. 623 00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:43,377 Well, I told him I liked to go fishing. 624 00:32:43,379 --> 00:32:46,778 I used to love sitting there for hours on end. 625 00:32:46,780 --> 00:32:48,937 I find it very peaceful. 626 00:32:48,939 --> 00:32:51,617 And that's good. 627 00:32:51,619 --> 00:32:53,058 Yeah. 628 00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:55,818 I had this special place where I liked to fish. 629 00:32:55,820 --> 00:32:58,578 Out in the woods. 630 00:32:58,580 --> 00:33:00,738 It was like my own private... 631 00:33:00,740 --> 00:33:02,937 I don't know what you'd call it. A sanctum. 632 00:33:02,939 --> 00:33:06,018 Yeah. 633 00:33:06,020 --> 00:33:08,578 I used to love going there. 634 00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:14,861 My special place. 635 00:33:29,699 --> 00:33:33,937 DOOR CLOSES 636 00:33:33,939 --> 00:33:35,258 The panel feels that 637 00:33:35,260 --> 00:33:37,738 the continuation of custody of Christopher Halliwell 638 00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:39,978 without caution or without any of the other safeguards 639 00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:41,217 afforded him by PACE, 640 00:33:41,219 --> 00:33:44,098 particularly when en route to the location of Rebecca Godden, 641 00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:45,978 cannot be justified. 642 00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:49,098 At such time as it became apparent that Sian O'Callaghan was dead, 643 00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:51,457 you should have stopped the car, turned it around 644 00:33:51,459 --> 00:33:53,177 and taken Halliwell into custody. 645 00:33:53,179 --> 00:33:55,737 And the panel has a wider duty to perform 646 00:33:55,739 --> 00:33:58,657 in respect to public confidence, 647 00:33:58,659 --> 00:34:01,337 and the message needs to be sent to other officers 648 00:34:01,339 --> 00:34:04,257 that a detective cannot ignore PACE to such an extent 649 00:34:04,259 --> 00:34:07,177 without being held fully to account. 650 00:34:07,179 --> 00:34:11,217 And we regard your conduct as gross misconduct. 651 00:34:11,219 --> 00:34:14,737 On allegation two, the panel concludes that, 652 00:34:14,739 --> 00:34:16,458 on the balance of probability, 653 00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:20,098 you were given an instruction by Chief Superintendent Pritchard 654 00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:21,978 to not give interviews to the media. 655 00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:24,538 This is not behaviour we would expect from a senior officer 656 00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:28,617 and we regard the conduct as gross misconduct. 657 00:34:28,619 --> 00:34:31,777 These breaches would justify dismissal. 658 00:34:31,779 --> 00:34:34,938 However, taking into account your previous exemplary record, 659 00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:38,657 the panel has concluded that the most appropriate sanction... 660 00:34:38,659 --> 00:34:44,418 ..is a final written warning. 661 00:34:44,420 --> 00:34:48,657 And I cannot stress how close you came to losing your job today. 662 00:34:48,659 --> 00:34:51,617 I do hope that you have learnt from this experience. 663 00:34:51,619 --> 00:34:53,217 It's not right what Fulcher did! 664 00:34:53,219 --> 00:34:56,058 Why should we have to pay with our pain because of his mistakes? 665 00:34:56,060 --> 00:35:00,378 I've been mentally scarred by this. 666 00:35:00,380 --> 00:35:02,978 It seems to me, come to Swindon and commit a murder 667 00:35:02,980 --> 00:35:06,058 cos you'll get away with it. 668 00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:09,098 I will never trust the police again. 669 00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:21,259 Never. 670 00:36:04,089 --> 00:36:06,488 I can start back as soon as possible. 671 00:36:06,490 --> 00:36:08,368 And you're actually going to? 672 00:36:08,370 --> 00:36:10,528 Well, what else am I going to do? 673 00:36:10,530 --> 00:36:14,528 I'm a police officer. It's all I... 674 00:36:14,530 --> 00:36:16,727 It's all I know, Yvonne! 675 00:36:16,729 --> 00:36:19,408 And I am fucking good at it! Good for you, Steve! 676 00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:32,050 Fuck everyone else! 677 00:36:37,609 --> 00:36:39,808 We're very pleased to have you here, Steve. 678 00:36:39,810 --> 00:36:40,888 Thank you. 679 00:36:40,890 --> 00:36:43,087 You knew Ray Hayward, is that right? Er, yes. 680 00:36:43,089 --> 00:36:44,607 Yes, I liked Ray. 681 00:36:44,609 --> 00:36:46,968 I met him many times in meetings. 682 00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:50,287 He always had an interesting take on things, you know. 683 00:36:50,289 --> 00:36:56,127 Here we are. 684 00:36:56,129 --> 00:36:58,607 Now, when the word went round that you were available, 685 00:36:58,609 --> 00:37:00,808 our previous Bobby Van manager has just retired. 686 00:37:00,810 --> 00:37:03,087 Mm-hm. You're obviously a bit overqualified... 687 00:37:03,089 --> 00:37:04,928 What exactly is Bobby Van? 688 00:37:04,930 --> 00:37:06,808 It's a local initiative to get a van out 689 00:37:06,810 --> 00:37:09,528 to burglary and criminal damage victims 690 00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:12,408 to get their windows and doors and suchlike fixed up. 691 00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:14,247 Mm-hm. Right. 692 00:37:14,249 --> 00:37:15,928 Well, I'll... 693 00:37:15,930 --> 00:37:17,567 I'll leave you to it. 694 00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:19,767 Give you a chance to get up to speed on everything. 695 00:37:19,769 --> 00:37:26,207 Thank you. OK. 696 00:37:26,209 --> 00:37:30,287 REPORTERS SHOUT QUESTIONS 697 00:37:30,289 --> 00:37:34,607 This is about justice for Becky. 698 00:37:34,609 --> 00:37:37,048 And justice for a brave police officer, 699 00:37:37,050 --> 00:37:40,607 whose career has been ruined just for doing his job. 700 00:37:40,609 --> 00:37:44,488 And over 40,000 people have signed our petition, 701 00:37:44,490 --> 00:37:47,448 and with the help of our local MP 702 00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:50,767 we are delighted to be able to deliver our demand 703 00:37:50,769 --> 00:37:54,368 for a change in the law directly to Mr Cameron. 704 00:37:54,370 --> 00:37:58,607 And this must never be allowed to happen again. 705 00:37:58,609 --> 00:38:02,848 Will my Right Honourable friend join our cause for a thorough review 706 00:38:02,850 --> 00:38:05,928 of Code C of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act 707 00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:10,328 so that terrible situations like this will not happen again? 708 00:38:10,330 --> 00:38:13,408 I will look very carefully at what my honourable friend has raised 709 00:38:13,410 --> 00:38:15,848 and the specific case that he mentions, 710 00:38:15,850 --> 00:38:17,207 and look also at this issue 711 00:38:17,209 --> 00:38:19,408 of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act. 712 00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:21,727 It is always important that all information 713 00:38:21,729 --> 00:38:25,167 that possibly can be put in front of a court is put in front of the court 714 00:38:25,169 --> 00:38:27,368 so the court can reach the correct, er... 715 00:38:27,370 --> 00:38:33,448 ..the correct decision. 716 00:38:33,450 --> 00:38:35,647 I want you to know that it's OK to feel happy again. 717 00:38:35,649 --> 00:38:39,567 That, if something good happens, it's OK to smile 718 00:38:39,569 --> 00:38:41,727 or feel good inside. 719 00:38:41,729 --> 00:38:49,448 It's not betraying Sian to feel like that. 720 00:38:49,450 --> 00:38:51,607 Me and Pete have decided... 721 00:38:51,609 --> 00:38:53,368 ..that we make each other happy. 722 00:38:53,370 --> 00:38:56,928 So, we're going to get married. 723 00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:59,287 And I wanted to tell you before anyone else, 724 00:38:59,289 --> 00:39:04,247 so you can tell me how you feel about it. 725 00:39:04,249 --> 00:39:05,647 If it's what you want. 726 00:39:05,649 --> 00:39:10,127 Mm. I'm happy for you. 727 00:39:10,129 --> 00:39:12,087 Aiden? 728 00:39:12,089 --> 00:39:15,207 I'm glad that you want to marry Pete. 729 00:39:15,209 --> 00:39:25,727 I just want you to be happy, Mum. 730 00:39:25,729 --> 00:39:39,928 ELECTRIC TOOTHBRUSH WHIRS 731 00:39:39,930 --> 00:39:45,567 HE TURNS OFF THE TOOTHBRUSH 732 00:39:45,569 --> 00:39:59,010 HE SWILLS AND SPITS 733 00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:07,167 I've had enough, Steve. 734 00:40:07,169 --> 00:40:09,647 I can't take any more. 735 00:40:09,649 --> 00:40:15,647 HE CLEARS HIS THROAT 736 00:40:15,649 --> 00:40:18,848 OK, if I retire early... Mm-hm. 737 00:40:18,850 --> 00:40:23,408 ..my pension will be cut. 738 00:40:23,410 --> 00:40:36,930 We wouldn't have enough to live on. I don't care. 739 00:40:46,050 --> 00:40:47,408 Good to see you. 740 00:40:47,410 --> 00:40:50,488 So, this is where we are. Erm... 741 00:40:50,490 --> 00:40:52,448 Well, Mr Cameron was true to his word 742 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:54,888 and he referred this to Theresa May, the Home Secretary. 743 00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:56,247 Excellent. 744 00:40:56,249 --> 00:40:59,727 And she referred it to Damian Green, the Policing Secretary. 745 00:40:59,729 --> 00:41:01,528 And he passed it on to ACPO, 746 00:41:01,530 --> 00:41:03,408 the Association of Chief Police Officers. 747 00:41:03,410 --> 00:41:05,607 Right. And they asked for comments 748 00:41:05,609 --> 00:41:08,167 from the relevant police service, Wiltshire. 749 00:41:08,169 --> 00:41:10,727 Then they went back to Damian Green with their recommendation 750 00:41:10,729 --> 00:41:15,048 for no action required. 751 00:41:15,050 --> 00:41:17,207 They advise that Section 11 of PACE 752 00:41:17,209 --> 00:41:20,488 is only applicable to a threat to life and the recovery of evidence 753 00:41:20,490 --> 00:41:23,808 and, therefore, didn't apply in this case. 754 00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:26,048 But that's exactly what Steve was doing. 755 00:41:26,050 --> 00:41:29,087 He was trying to save Sian and recover Becky's body. So... 756 00:41:29,089 --> 00:41:32,207 I'm very sorry. 757 00:41:32,209 --> 00:41:33,567 The pond itself. 758 00:41:33,569 --> 00:41:36,408 And as you can see, we've pulled out a lot of pieces of clothing. 759 00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:38,687 That's quite a lot there. It is. 760 00:41:38,689 --> 00:41:41,287 What are we up to now? 761 00:41:41,289 --> 00:41:43,968 About 20 items so far. But I expect that to go up. 762 00:41:43,970 --> 00:41:45,968 We're going to have another scan of the pond 763 00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:47,647 and see if we can pull anything else out. 764 00:41:47,649 --> 00:41:50,647 We might have missed one or two things. Sir! 765 00:41:50,649 --> 00:42:02,930 Yeah. 766 00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:07,328 OK. Excellent. 767 00:42:07,330 --> 00:42:18,928 I think that might be Sian's boot. 768 00:42:18,930 --> 00:42:21,727 It was nice of you to come round. 769 00:42:21,729 --> 00:42:24,848 I always felt that, with everything that happened, 770 00:42:24,850 --> 00:42:27,087 I never really got the chance to tell you how sorry I was 771 00:42:27,089 --> 00:42:30,008 about what happened to Ray. 772 00:42:30,010 --> 00:42:31,848 Well, it's not been easy for me, 773 00:42:31,850 --> 00:42:36,408 knowing that he was so desperate and that we couldn't help him. 774 00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:38,488 Thanks. 775 00:42:38,490 --> 00:42:44,207 Look, I can't speak about the allegations against him, but... 776 00:42:44,209 --> 00:42:48,767 ..from my point of view, he was a good friend. 777 00:42:48,769 --> 00:42:55,607 Yeah. There was a lot I wanted to say about how he was treated. 778 00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:58,328 It's not worth it, Steve. 779 00:42:58,330 --> 00:43:03,767 I know what's been happening with you, and it's not worth it. 780 00:43:03,769 --> 00:43:06,727 The job meant everything to Ray, too. But... 781 00:43:06,729 --> 00:43:09,687 ..it wasn't more important than his children... 782 00:43:09,689 --> 00:43:22,649 ..than his life. 783 00:43:58,209 --> 00:44:03,647 PHONE RINGS 784 00:44:03,649 --> 00:44:05,167 Debs? 785 00:44:05,169 --> 00:44:10,448 Are you watching the local news? 786 00:44:10,450 --> 00:44:12,968 I think the timing's a bit too convenient. 787 00:44:12,970 --> 00:44:14,848 Where was it? 788 00:44:14,850 --> 00:44:17,607 They're carrying out a dig at a spot in Ramsbury. 789 00:44:17,609 --> 00:44:19,528 I think this has come from some information 790 00:44:19,530 --> 00:44:21,567 passed on by Halliwell's probation officer. 791 00:44:21,569 --> 00:44:24,528 ..the boot in the water which we have recovered. 792 00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:27,127 So, you were walking along the lane and...? 793 00:44:27,129 --> 00:44:30,448 Scoping the ponds as to which I thought 794 00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:33,488 would be most likely to deposit property. 795 00:44:33,490 --> 00:44:35,048 Why now? 796 00:44:35,050 --> 00:44:37,848 They've done nothing over the last 18 months and then suddenly, 797 00:44:37,850 --> 00:44:39,448 "Look what a great job we're doing." 798 00:44:39,450 --> 00:44:41,247 I reckon they're worried about backlash 799 00:44:41,249 --> 00:44:43,727 over the way you've been treated. 800 00:44:43,729 --> 00:44:45,928 He says that numerous items have been recovered. 801 00:44:45,930 --> 00:44:47,207 Mm. One of 60, I heard. 802 00:44:47,209 --> 00:44:48,767 60? 803 00:44:48,769 --> 00:44:52,448 This could be what you've been waiting for, Steve. 804 00:44:52,450 --> 00:44:53,848 Yeah, I know. 805 00:44:53,850 --> 00:44:55,048 Bollocks. 806 00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:58,008 What? I handed in my resignation. 807 00:44:58,010 --> 00:45:02,794 I'm no longer a police officer. 808 00:45:02,796 --> 00:45:05,062 Subtitles by explosiveskull www.OpenSubtitles.org 63143

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