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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,093 --> 00:00:08,616 Out here along Ocean Parkway, 2 00:00:08,617 --> 00:00:11,707 where the body count just keeps on rising. 3 00:00:12,490 --> 00:00:13,664 The so-called "Gilgo Four" 4 00:00:13,665 --> 00:00:15,405 were all petite women, 5 00:00:15,406 --> 00:00:19,670 all under five foot five, and they were all sex workers. 6 00:00:19,671 --> 00:00:23,196 We have a serial killer on our hands. 7 00:00:23,197 --> 00:00:27,591 The only word that really came to mind was monstrous. 8 00:00:27,592 --> 00:00:29,507 It's the perfect tabloid story. 9 00:00:30,595 --> 00:00:33,032 But it turns into something much bigger 10 00:00:33,033 --> 00:00:36,035 than a simple, like, serial killer case. 11 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:37,906 After years of controversy 12 00:00:37,907 --> 00:00:39,777 surrounding guns and a sex worker, 13 00:00:39,778 --> 00:00:43,043 the Suffolk County Police Chief resigned today. 14 00:00:44,348 --> 00:00:47,350 This whole part of the story is so extraordinary. 15 00:00:47,351 --> 00:00:50,092 The investigation pretty much slows to a crawl 16 00:00:50,093 --> 00:00:53,096 for almost a decade, shockingly. 17 00:00:54,445 --> 00:00:58,361 Find this killer before he strikes and murders 18 00:00:58,362 --> 00:01:00,277 someone that you love. 19 00:01:01,539 --> 00:01:03,845 And then, after 13 years, 20 00:01:03,846 --> 00:01:07,718 this bombshell drops out of seemingly nowhere. 21 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:11,157 A suspect now under arrest in connection 22 00:01:11,158 --> 00:01:13,985 to the unsolved Gilgo Beach murders. 23 00:01:13,986 --> 00:01:15,596 I remember thinking, "Oh, shit. 24 00:01:15,597 --> 00:01:18,729 Who would have suspected that that guy was the killer?" 25 00:01:18,730 --> 00:01:22,081 He basically was the person that lived next door. 26 00:01:22,082 --> 00:01:25,867 But the most mysterious figure in this whole thing is the wife. 27 00:01:25,868 --> 00:01:27,956 The idea that the wife didn't know anything 28 00:01:27,957 --> 00:01:30,698 about what he was doing is hard to believe. 29 00:01:30,699 --> 00:01:34,572 She has not talked to any of us. We can only speculate. 30 00:02:08,171 --> 00:02:11,653 Does everybody really believe everything they hear? 31 00:03:37,521 --> 00:03:41,263 So, the early Gilgo case starts with Shannan Gilbert. 32 00:03:41,264 --> 00:03:45,136 Shannan showed up as a sex worker to a house on Oak Beach. 33 00:03:45,137 --> 00:03:49,271 She ran from that residence and then called 911. 34 00:03:49,272 --> 00:03:51,969 And when she fled, she knocked on two other doors. 35 00:03:51,970 --> 00:03:54,450 She ran into that mucky bramble area 36 00:03:54,451 --> 00:03:56,887 on the swampy side of the street 37 00:03:56,888 --> 00:03:58,934 where she disappeared. 38 00:04:02,024 --> 00:04:04,068 My name is Patrick Ryder. I am the Police Commissioner 39 00:04:04,069 --> 00:04:05,766 for the Nassau County Police Department. 40 00:04:05,767 --> 00:04:07,768 Which is right next to Suffolk County, 41 00:04:07,769 --> 00:04:10,641 where Gilgo Beach is here on Long Island. 42 00:04:13,688 --> 00:04:15,906 Ocean Parkway runs west to east. 43 00:04:15,907 --> 00:04:17,734 It'll take you from Jones Beach, 44 00:04:17,735 --> 00:04:20,389 which is about 40 miles from Manhattan, 45 00:04:20,390 --> 00:04:24,524 all the way east to Oak Beach, where Shannan was last seen. 46 00:04:24,525 --> 00:04:26,134 Along that roadway 47 00:04:26,135 --> 00:04:28,571 on the right and left side, it's all bramble. 48 00:04:28,572 --> 00:04:29,746 You can't see the beach. 49 00:04:29,747 --> 00:04:31,661 There's high dunes to protect it 50 00:04:31,662 --> 00:04:33,576 from, obviously, the tides. 51 00:04:33,577 --> 00:04:36,406 And right in the middle is Gilgo Beach. 52 00:04:37,886 --> 00:04:41,671 Gilgo, in the summer during the day, very busy area. 53 00:04:44,458 --> 00:04:45,936 But at night time, 54 00:04:45,937 --> 00:04:48,069 you could pull over on the side of the road, 55 00:04:48,070 --> 00:04:50,550 shut your lights off, and nobody'll see you. 56 00:04:50,551 --> 00:04:52,595 If you're in tight to the bramble area, 57 00:04:52,596 --> 00:04:53,944 nobody will see your car. 58 00:04:53,945 --> 00:04:56,992 It's that dark in some areas at nighttime. 59 00:05:01,910 --> 00:05:04,564 As detectives, nothing is harder 60 00:05:04,565 --> 00:05:07,523 than when someone comes in to report a missing person. 61 00:05:07,524 --> 00:05:09,786 I'm a cop, but also I'm a parent. 62 00:05:09,787 --> 00:05:12,180 Parents are parents. You know, you want results 63 00:05:12,181 --> 00:05:16,445 knowing that, "Listen, that's my child out there." 64 00:05:16,446 --> 00:05:19,709 My name is Rick Tirelli. I grew up on Long Island, 65 00:05:19,710 --> 00:05:23,148 and I'm a former New York City Homicide Detective. 66 00:05:24,585 --> 00:05:27,978 Shannan was a sex worker who disappeared in Oak Beach, 67 00:05:27,979 --> 00:05:30,807 just seven miles east of Gilgo Beach. 68 00:05:30,808 --> 00:05:34,768 Shannan Gilbert went missing on May 1st of last year 69 00:05:34,769 --> 00:05:38,468 after she ran screaming from a client's home at 5 a.m. 70 00:05:39,687 --> 00:05:42,385 It's the last she was seen alive. 71 00:05:45,432 --> 00:05:49,130 John Mallia, who was a K-9 police officer, 72 00:05:49,131 --> 00:05:52,046 was looking for Shannan's body. 73 00:05:52,047 --> 00:05:56,442 He's out there in the bramble in the cold December weather. 74 00:05:56,443 --> 00:05:59,140 And he ends up finding something. 75 00:05:59,141 --> 00:06:00,968 But it's not Shannan. 76 00:06:00,969 --> 00:06:02,622 We're live on Gilgo Beach. 77 00:06:02,623 --> 00:06:04,493 An extensive search that goes on 78 00:06:04,494 --> 00:06:06,713 for a good mile along the bay here. 79 00:06:06,714 --> 00:06:08,715 You can see crime scene investigators behind me. 80 00:06:08,716 --> 00:06:11,761 A K-9 unit on a training exercise here 81 00:06:11,762 --> 00:06:13,589 uncovered the first body. 82 00:06:13,590 --> 00:06:15,286 The dog gave me an indication. 83 00:06:15,287 --> 00:06:18,507 At that point, I saw the skeletal remains of a body. 84 00:06:18,508 --> 00:06:21,205 When search teams returned to the same location today 85 00:06:21,206 --> 00:06:24,165 to look for more evidence, they found instead 86 00:06:24,166 --> 00:06:27,777 three more bodies stuffed in these brushes. 87 00:06:27,778 --> 00:06:29,213 The thing with Gilgo is 88 00:06:29,214 --> 00:06:31,390 everyone on Long Island and friends of mine 89 00:06:31,391 --> 00:06:35,524 who worked on other serial killer cases knew it was big. 90 00:06:35,525 --> 00:06:37,047 You start to wonder like, like, 91 00:06:37,048 --> 00:06:40,224 "Where's this guy going? What's going on?" 92 00:06:40,225 --> 00:06:42,096 So once we start uncovering bodies, 93 00:06:42,097 --> 00:06:43,445 you start getting the concern, 94 00:06:43,446 --> 00:06:46,361 "How did these happen? Who are our victims? 95 00:06:46,362 --> 00:06:50,452 What is the commonality? What can we do to solve this?" 96 00:06:50,453 --> 00:06:52,106 Out here along Ocean Parkway, 97 00:06:52,107 --> 00:06:54,413 where the body count just keeps on rising 98 00:06:54,414 --> 00:06:58,329 and the grisly mystery just deepens as police excavate 99 00:06:58,330 --> 00:07:01,550 an apparent serial killer's dumping ground. 100 00:07:01,551 --> 00:07:03,422 The commonality amongst the four women 101 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:06,816 that were originally found was they were all bound. 102 00:07:06,817 --> 00:07:08,731 They were all Caucasian. 103 00:07:08,732 --> 00:07:12,997 They were relatively, uh, small in height and small in frame. 104 00:07:15,913 --> 00:07:17,566 And I thought I've seen it all, 105 00:07:17,567 --> 00:07:20,091 have dealt with all types of crimes. 106 00:07:21,528 --> 00:07:23,354 But when it came to Gilgo Beach, 107 00:07:23,355 --> 00:07:26,793 to have a serial killer of this magnitude. 108 00:07:26,794 --> 00:07:30,187 You know, I've been a resident of Suffolk County for 33 years, 109 00:07:30,188 --> 00:07:34,191 and I wanted to make sure we had a hand in solving this. 110 00:07:34,192 --> 00:07:37,064 We look at it from a personal standpoint. 111 00:07:37,065 --> 00:07:39,458 There's a weight on everybody's shoulders 112 00:07:39,459 --> 00:07:40,850 of an unsolved homicide, 113 00:07:40,851 --> 00:07:43,288 but none more than a serial killer. 114 00:07:47,771 --> 00:07:51,948 Find this killer before he strikes, and hurts, 115 00:07:51,949 --> 00:07:55,169 and murders someone that you love. 116 00:07:58,565 --> 00:08:01,958 Once the word came down that there were four bodies there, 117 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:05,179 I drove from New York City as fast as I could 118 00:08:05,180 --> 00:08:07,790 all the way out to Gilgo Beach. 119 00:08:07,791 --> 00:08:09,270 It was December. 120 00:08:09,271 --> 00:08:11,708 It was absolutely bone-chilling that day. 121 00:08:13,536 --> 00:08:16,582 I've been a reporter for 20 years. 122 00:08:16,583 --> 00:08:19,454 So when a story on a case like that, 123 00:08:19,455 --> 00:08:21,804 your question is, "Are they related or are they not?" 124 00:08:21,805 --> 00:08:24,764 If they are related, you drop everything else, 125 00:08:24,765 --> 00:08:28,811 and you devote yourself to finding out how they're related. 126 00:08:28,812 --> 00:08:30,770 Four bodies in one place. 127 00:08:30,771 --> 00:08:32,989 The assumption is serial killer. 128 00:08:32,990 --> 00:08:35,209 And once that phrase comes out, 129 00:08:35,210 --> 00:08:38,038 there are no other stories at that point. 130 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:40,867 And the peace and beauty of Fire Island was shattered. 131 00:08:40,868 --> 00:08:42,216 A very different papacy. 132 00:08:42,217 --> 00:08:43,870 I grew up on Long Island, 133 00:08:43,871 --> 00:08:46,916 and I've been a reporter for more than four decades. 134 00:08:46,917 --> 00:08:49,528 From Gotti to Gilgo, I've covered it all. 135 00:08:49,529 --> 00:08:51,007 I will be the first to tell you 136 00:08:51,008 --> 00:08:53,314 that I am a wannabe police detective. 137 00:08:53,315 --> 00:08:56,710 And when a case is unsolved, I wanna know why. 138 00:08:58,538 --> 00:09:03,846 The Gilgo Four were found in very thick bramble, thick brush, 139 00:09:03,847 --> 00:09:05,282 just in about 30 feet 140 00:09:05,283 --> 00:09:07,720 on the westbound lane of Ocean Parkway. 141 00:09:07,721 --> 00:09:10,374 They were all naked, and they were all bound. 142 00:09:10,375 --> 00:09:15,641 Three of them with tape, and one was bound with belts, 143 00:09:15,642 --> 00:09:18,861 and three of them were wrapped in burlap. 144 00:09:18,862 --> 00:09:22,169 We're asking ourselves all these questions: 145 00:09:22,170 --> 00:09:24,388 "How did they die? 146 00:09:24,389 --> 00:09:26,000 Where were they killed?" 147 00:09:27,784 --> 00:09:31,874 It could take weeks or months to identify the four bodies 148 00:09:31,875 --> 00:09:34,835 found over the past couple of days. 149 00:09:37,881 --> 00:09:41,188 I'm Shannon McGarvey. I'm an investigative writer. 150 00:09:41,189 --> 00:09:43,364 I've been working on the Gilgo case 151 00:09:43,365 --> 00:09:46,497 for the better part of a decade. 152 00:09:46,498 --> 00:09:49,588 The so-called "Gilgo Four" were all petite women, 153 00:09:49,589 --> 00:09:53,027 all under five foot five, and that was chilling. 154 00:09:54,115 --> 00:09:55,942 Within a week, there was no indication 155 00:09:55,943 --> 00:09:58,031 that there was a person of interest, 156 00:09:58,032 --> 00:10:00,424 never mind a suspect in this case. 157 00:10:00,425 --> 00:10:03,427 How long has this been going on? 158 00:10:03,428 --> 00:10:05,342 Who are the victims? 159 00:10:05,343 --> 00:10:07,736 Were they dumped all at once? 160 00:10:07,737 --> 00:10:09,869 Anything is possible at this point 161 00:10:09,870 --> 00:10:12,088 because there's so many unanswered questions. 162 00:10:12,089 --> 00:10:14,525 These questions started coming out in the beginning 163 00:10:14,526 --> 00:10:19,140 and just really fueling the media frenzy around the case. 164 00:10:20,924 --> 00:10:24,057 I've been a field reporter for the New York Post, 165 00:10:24,058 --> 00:10:27,974 going on 14 years, and I've seen some of the most horrific shit 166 00:10:27,975 --> 00:10:31,108 that anybody has ever seen that people shouldn't see. 167 00:10:32,109 --> 00:10:33,327 I've covered crime. 168 00:10:33,328 --> 00:10:35,503 I've covered courts, police 169 00:10:35,504 --> 00:10:37,158 for almost four decades. 170 00:10:38,420 --> 00:10:42,162 We are the blue collar paper on Long Island. 171 00:10:42,163 --> 00:10:45,557 The everyday New Yorker reads the New York Post. 172 00:10:46,863 --> 00:10:51,127 What sells is this hunger for the sensational. 173 00:10:51,128 --> 00:10:54,391 You don't get more sensational than a serial killer. 174 00:10:54,392 --> 00:10:57,264 A lot of it is the monster among us. 175 00:10:57,265 --> 00:11:00,441 The fact that my neighbor could be this horrific killer. 176 00:11:00,442 --> 00:11:02,617 It just captures the imagination. Always has. 177 00:11:02,618 --> 00:11:05,186 You know, from Jack the Ripper on down. 178 00:11:07,492 --> 00:11:09,972 I don't think it's a coincidence that four bodies 179 00:11:09,973 --> 00:11:11,931 ended up in this area. 180 00:11:11,932 --> 00:11:14,673 We're looking at that, that we could have a serial killer. 181 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:15,935 So it becomes very obvious 182 00:11:15,936 --> 00:11:17,893 to the police commissioner at the time. 183 00:11:17,894 --> 00:11:20,548 We have a serial killer on our hands. 184 00:11:20,549 --> 00:11:24,160 And then fast forward about a month later... 185 00:11:24,161 --> 00:11:26,119 We are following some breaking news 186 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,774 out of Long Island, New York. 187 00:11:29,384 --> 00:11:32,168 The medical examiner in Suffolk County identified the remains 188 00:11:32,169 --> 00:11:35,128 of all four bodies found last month. 189 00:11:35,129 --> 00:11:38,174 The Gilgo four are identified and we learn that 190 00:11:38,175 --> 00:11:39,959 they're Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 191 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,525 Melissa Barthelemy, 192 00:11:41,526 --> 00:11:44,965 Megan Waterman, and Amber Costello. 193 00:11:46,401 --> 00:11:48,707 Maureen Brainard-Barnes, a mother of two, 194 00:11:48,708 --> 00:11:52,101 was working as a Craigslist escort in Manhattan, 195 00:11:52,102 --> 00:11:55,017 and disappeared in July 2007. 196 00:11:55,018 --> 00:11:58,064 After placing an ad on Craigslist, 197 00:11:58,065 --> 00:12:01,110 Melissa vanished in July 2009. 198 00:12:01,111 --> 00:12:03,286 Megan Waterman went missing in June 199 00:12:03,287 --> 00:12:04,723 after agreeing to see a client 200 00:12:04,724 --> 00:12:06,594 on Long Island through Craigslist. 201 00:12:06,595 --> 00:12:08,204 Amber, a sex worker, 202 00:12:08,205 --> 00:12:12,208 was murdered around September 2nd, 2010. 203 00:12:12,209 --> 00:12:13,906 It really made me sick. 204 00:12:13,907 --> 00:12:16,996 If there were many more bodies out there, we want to find them. 205 00:12:16,997 --> 00:12:20,260 It's one of the most intense cases I've ever covered. 206 00:12:20,261 --> 00:12:22,697 People should be on very, very high alert. 207 00:12:22,698 --> 00:12:24,873 How sadistic is this person? 208 00:12:24,874 --> 00:12:28,703 These young women were abused and raped and killed. 209 00:12:28,704 --> 00:12:30,052 What is he capable of? 210 00:12:30,053 --> 00:12:33,752 ...how another body found in the same area. 211 00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:35,232 He's a monster. 212 00:12:42,762 --> 00:12:44,023 It started 213 00:12:44,024 --> 00:12:45,546 as an effort to find clues 214 00:12:45,547 --> 00:12:47,983 in the case of a missing woman, Shannan Gilbert. 215 00:12:47,984 --> 00:12:50,986 I'd like to report that we found human remains. 216 00:12:50,987 --> 00:12:54,903 Four bodies wrapped in burlap, dumped alongside Ocean Parkway. 217 00:12:54,904 --> 00:12:57,906 That search has turned into a gruesome murder mystery, 218 00:12:57,907 --> 00:13:01,518 with evidence that suggests a serial killer is on the loose. 219 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:04,130 We're looking at that, that we could have a serial killer. 220 00:13:04,131 --> 00:13:07,611 These grim discoveries mark the third serial killer murders 221 00:13:07,612 --> 00:13:10,049 involving prostitutes here on Long Island 222 00:13:10,050 --> 00:13:12,052 in more than two decades. 223 00:13:13,749 --> 00:13:15,924 Long Island has a notorious history 224 00:13:15,925 --> 00:13:18,884 for really disturbing murder cases. 225 00:13:18,885 --> 00:13:22,844 An unknown woman was found murdered in a pickup truck. 226 00:13:22,845 --> 00:13:24,759 And serial killers. 227 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,980 We had the Amityville Horror, Ronald DeFeo Jr. 228 00:13:27,981 --> 00:13:31,461 It remains one of Long Island's most disturbing crimes. 229 00:13:31,462 --> 00:13:33,159 Six members of the DeFeo family 230 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,423 were gunned down in their Amityville home. 231 00:13:36,424 --> 00:13:37,859 Back in the early '90s, 232 00:13:37,860 --> 00:13:40,819 Joel Rifkin had graveyards all over the place 233 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:42,821 where he would dump parts of bodies. 234 00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:45,214 The landscaper is suspected of being involved 235 00:13:45,215 --> 00:13:46,520 in the deaths of 18 women, 236 00:13:46,521 --> 00:13:48,304 several of whom were sex workers. 237 00:13:48,305 --> 00:13:49,828 We had Robert Schulman. 238 00:13:49,829 --> 00:13:51,568 After he fatally assaulted them, 239 00:13:51,569 --> 00:13:55,268 he took a knife and a saw and cut off their limbs. 240 00:13:55,269 --> 00:13:56,836 Have anything to say at all? 241 00:13:57,837 --> 00:13:59,359 And then there was John Bittrolff. 242 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,317 Bittrolff is facing charges 243 00:14:01,318 --> 00:14:03,842 for two murders and is a suspect for a third. 244 00:14:03,843 --> 00:14:05,539 Three women were beaten, suffocated, 245 00:14:05,540 --> 00:14:08,803 and found undressed in distinct poses. 246 00:14:08,804 --> 00:14:14,504 So there's a rich history of serial killer activity 247 00:14:14,505 --> 00:14:20,249 and gruesome murder on this relatively isolated island 248 00:14:20,250 --> 00:14:22,251 in New York City's backyard. 249 00:14:22,252 --> 00:14:23,687 I've covered it all, 250 00:14:23,688 --> 00:14:25,602 and I've never seen a serial killer case 251 00:14:25,603 --> 00:14:29,128 like the Long Island serial killer. 252 00:14:29,129 --> 00:14:30,390 It's sort of on another level. 253 00:14:30,391 --> 00:14:31,957 This guy, whoever it was, 254 00:14:31,958 --> 00:14:33,610 was eluding the authorities, 255 00:14:33,611 --> 00:14:37,005 and really confounding not only the reporters, 256 00:14:37,006 --> 00:14:38,747 but the community. 257 00:14:41,489 --> 00:14:43,664 Why did you pick her? 258 00:14:43,665 --> 00:14:46,754 How did you pick her? How did you get her? 259 00:14:46,755 --> 00:14:51,498 You know, did my sister cry? Did she beg? You know? 260 00:14:51,499 --> 00:14:54,370 Did she say, "Please, please?" Like, "I have kids." Like... 261 00:14:54,371 --> 00:14:56,677 I'm afraid that they'll never find this person 262 00:14:56,678 --> 00:15:00,202 and he'll continue to keep on killing girls. 263 00:15:00,203 --> 00:15:03,162 And it's a horrible feeling. 264 00:15:03,163 --> 00:15:07,949 It is true. As the case progresses, as time passes on, 265 00:15:07,950 --> 00:15:09,429 he may get sloppy. 266 00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:10,778 He may make mistakes. 267 00:15:10,779 --> 00:15:14,130 But he hasn't done that up until now. 268 00:15:18,395 --> 00:15:19,701 So... 269 00:15:21,877 --> 00:15:24,096 when you're an investigator, 270 00:15:24,097 --> 00:15:28,231 your job is to give that family relief. 271 00:15:29,276 --> 00:15:31,494 Your job is to speak for the victims. 272 00:15:31,495 --> 00:15:35,542 Your job is to comfort the families of those victims. 273 00:15:35,543 --> 00:15:37,588 You also have a job to solve it. 274 00:15:38,546 --> 00:15:40,460 Let me first thank everybody 275 00:15:40,461 --> 00:15:42,331 for coming on such short notice. 276 00:15:42,332 --> 00:15:44,159 What is now very clear 277 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,815 is that the area in and around Gilgo Beach 278 00:15:47,816 --> 00:15:53,387 has been used to discard human remains for some period of time. 279 00:15:54,388 --> 00:15:55,910 In the beginning, I think 280 00:15:55,911 --> 00:15:58,173 that the Suffolk County Police Department, 281 00:15:58,174 --> 00:16:00,959 and the agencies that were working with them 282 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,789 took a lot of good investigative steps to try to find this guy. 283 00:16:06,704 --> 00:16:10,229 The first year of the case, the FBI was involved. 284 00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:11,970 Chief Dominick Varrone 285 00:16:11,971 --> 00:16:15,234 was the head of the detective bureau in Suffolk County. 286 00:16:15,235 --> 00:16:18,193 He said he had meetings with Geraldine Hart, 287 00:16:18,194 --> 00:16:20,761 an FBI agent here on Long Island. 288 00:16:20,762 --> 00:16:23,416 They were actually starting to work with the cell phone data 289 00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:25,897 that they were able to get from the victims' phones. 290 00:16:27,116 --> 00:16:29,335 Maureen Brainard-Barnes was last seen alive 291 00:16:29,336 --> 00:16:32,816 on July 9th, 2007. 292 00:16:32,817 --> 00:16:35,297 But three days before, she started getting 293 00:16:35,298 --> 00:16:39,127 a series of phone calls from a burner phone. 294 00:16:39,128 --> 00:16:43,697 Then, three days after Maureen Brainard-Barnes disappears, 295 00:16:43,698 --> 00:16:47,831 there are two outbound calls made from her cell phone 296 00:16:47,832 --> 00:16:50,618 near the Long Island Expressway in Suffolk County. 297 00:16:55,014 --> 00:17:00,018 Melissa Barthelemy disappeared on July 10th 2009. 298 00:17:00,019 --> 00:17:02,368 About a week before she vanished, 299 00:17:02,369 --> 00:17:05,414 her cell phone was contacted by a burner phone. 300 00:17:05,415 --> 00:17:09,810 And then on July 10th, the day she went missing, 301 00:17:09,811 --> 00:17:11,899 that burner phone traveled 302 00:17:11,900 --> 00:17:15,947 from Massapequa Park on Long Island to Midtown Manhattan. 303 00:17:18,689 --> 00:17:20,561 And then later that evening... 304 00:17:21,649 --> 00:17:24,477 Melissa Barthelemy's cell phone traveled 305 00:17:24,478 --> 00:17:28,221 from Midtown Manhattan out to Massapequa Park. 306 00:17:29,961 --> 00:17:34,052 The next day, Melissa's phone pings at a cell site 307 00:17:34,053 --> 00:17:36,925 in Massapequa at 1:43 a.m. 308 00:17:41,408 --> 00:17:43,887 So there are important clues here that detectives 309 00:17:43,888 --> 00:17:46,847 are picking up on at this early stage. 310 00:17:46,848 --> 00:17:49,719 First, the killer is using burner phones 311 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:50,939 as part of his MO. 312 00:17:52,027 --> 00:17:53,897 Secondly, investigators now know 313 00:17:53,898 --> 00:17:57,684 that there's three general areas where the story is unfolding. 314 00:17:57,685 --> 00:18:00,644 Nassau County, where Massapequa is. 315 00:18:01,819 --> 00:18:04,560 Suffolk County, where Gilgo Beach is. 316 00:18:04,561 --> 00:18:06,432 And Midtown Manhattan. 317 00:18:06,433 --> 00:18:10,740 Now, Gilgo Four investigators dig deeper and reexamine a clue 318 00:18:10,741 --> 00:18:13,569 from the original investigation into Melissa's disappearance 319 00:18:13,570 --> 00:18:18,270 almost two years earlier, in April 2009. 320 00:18:18,271 --> 00:18:20,881 Within a week of Melissa Barthelemy's disappearance, 321 00:18:20,882 --> 00:18:23,362 her teenage sister starts to receive 322 00:18:23,363 --> 00:18:26,452 a series of very sick and twisted calls 323 00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:29,499 from a man that's using Melissa's cell phone. 324 00:18:31,675 --> 00:18:35,287 She was just 15 years old when she received a phone call 325 00:18:35,288 --> 00:18:37,680 she says, "was straight out of a horror movie." 326 00:18:37,681 --> 00:18:40,118 There are some diary entries 327 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,818 that Melissa Barthelemy's teenage sister Amanda made. 328 00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:47,343 Have you figured out who this is? 329 00:18:48,475 --> 00:18:51,172 No. Where's my sister? 330 00:18:51,173 --> 00:18:54,654 Are you gonna be a whore like your sister now? 331 00:18:54,655 --> 00:18:58,224 No. Where is my sister? 332 00:18:59,094 --> 00:19:02,228 She's dead. I killed her. 333 00:19:05,274 --> 00:19:10,017 They're very taunting and angry words. He obviously enjoys it. 334 00:19:10,018 --> 00:19:14,587 And he's sick in the head. I'm scared of my own protection. 335 00:19:14,588 --> 00:19:18,243 Now, in 2011, during the Gilgo investigation, 336 00:19:18,244 --> 00:19:21,159 an FBI team that was working on the case, 337 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,815 they were able to track these calls to a degree. 338 00:19:25,903 --> 00:19:28,122 Investigators were able to triangulate 339 00:19:28,123 --> 00:19:30,472 the phone calls made from Melissa's phone 340 00:19:30,473 --> 00:19:32,387 to her sister, Amanda. 341 00:19:32,388 --> 00:19:36,086 The caller kept them brief, and there was an early theory 342 00:19:36,087 --> 00:19:39,089 that he knew that if you stayed on the line 343 00:19:39,090 --> 00:19:42,484 for a certain amount of time, you could get a precise trace. 344 00:19:42,485 --> 00:19:47,315 He seemed cognizant of that and ended the calls early. 345 00:19:47,316 --> 00:19:49,535 And we're wondering what's going on here. 346 00:19:49,536 --> 00:19:51,406 How sophisticated is this guy? 347 00:19:51,407 --> 00:19:53,408 Does he have a law enforcement background? 348 00:19:53,409 --> 00:19:55,236 Does he know how to cover his tracks? 349 00:19:55,237 --> 00:19:57,630 We're asking ourselves all these questions 350 00:19:57,631 --> 00:19:59,980 because they're not finding the guy. 351 00:19:59,981 --> 00:20:03,201 Still, they were able to track the phone calls. 352 00:20:03,202 --> 00:20:04,638 To Times Square, 353 00:20:05,378 --> 00:20:07,422 Madison Square Garden 354 00:20:07,423 --> 00:20:09,338 and Massapequa Park. 355 00:20:12,385 --> 00:20:15,169 So, there was finally some solidity 356 00:20:15,170 --> 00:20:17,607 to the origins of this person. 357 00:20:20,001 --> 00:20:21,741 Once this information was released, 358 00:20:21,742 --> 00:20:24,222 and you had two zones of interest. 359 00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:26,703 Massapequa and Manhattan. 360 00:20:27,574 --> 00:20:30,358 We were asking ourselves, 361 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,928 did this person live in Massapequa 362 00:20:34,929 --> 00:20:38,193 and live some quiet suburban life there? 363 00:20:39,499 --> 00:20:43,416 And did he commute into Manhattan every day? 364 00:20:44,895 --> 00:20:49,682 We reported this April 10th, 2011 365 00:20:49,683 --> 00:20:52,467 and asked the question, "Did her murderer 366 00:20:52,468 --> 00:20:55,950 work in Midtown and commute from Long Island?" 367 00:21:01,738 --> 00:21:04,262 So, detectives now have a general idea 368 00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:07,700 of where the killer traveled to and from, 369 00:21:07,701 --> 00:21:10,442 and then they learn more. 370 00:21:10,443 --> 00:21:14,141 Shortly after the bodies were identified in January of 2011, 371 00:21:14,142 --> 00:21:17,492 police went to the home of Amber Costello. 372 00:21:17,493 --> 00:21:20,539 One of the Gilgo Four. 373 00:21:20,540 --> 00:21:24,500 And they interviewed her roommate, Dave Schaller. 374 00:21:26,154 --> 00:21:30,244 In the days leading up to Amber's disappearance, 375 00:21:30,245 --> 00:21:34,292 Amber and Dave had been running a ruse in the house 376 00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:37,295 where Amber would invite a John over 377 00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:40,689 and Dave would bust out in the middle of the meeting 378 00:21:40,690 --> 00:21:43,257 and pretend to be an outraged boyfriend. 379 00:21:43,258 --> 00:21:45,607 Thus scaring the John away. 380 00:21:45,608 --> 00:21:48,480 And then Amber pockets the money. 381 00:21:48,481 --> 00:21:52,527 That's the ruse that they run on a very particular client. 382 00:21:52,528 --> 00:21:55,269 The day before Amber disappears. 383 00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:57,402 On September 1st, 2010, 384 00:21:57,403 --> 00:22:00,840 this client accesses her Backpage ad. 385 00:22:00,841 --> 00:22:03,408 The investigators check Amber's cell phone records 386 00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:04,670 and see that a burner phone 387 00:22:04,671 --> 00:22:07,063 between Massapequa and Amityville 388 00:22:07,064 --> 00:22:09,762 contacts Amber Costello. 389 00:22:09,763 --> 00:22:11,329 Not long after that, 390 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:14,332 the burner phone travels toward West Babylon, 391 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:16,335 where Amber Costello lives. 392 00:22:21,731 --> 00:22:23,167 This client... 393 00:22:24,908 --> 00:22:26,214 shows up. 394 00:22:27,781 --> 00:22:29,391 He's in the house. 395 00:22:31,567 --> 00:22:33,787 And apparently pays his money. 396 00:22:35,005 --> 00:22:36,529 Dave busts out. 397 00:22:38,922 --> 00:22:40,707 Runs the client off. 398 00:22:43,797 --> 00:22:46,973 And Amber pockets the money. 399 00:22:46,974 --> 00:22:48,367 But this time... 400 00:22:49,672 --> 00:22:52,195 ...the client continues to contact her. 401 00:22:52,196 --> 00:22:53,980 He sends a text message. 402 00:22:55,330 --> 00:22:56,896 "That was not so nice. 403 00:22:56,897 --> 00:22:58,986 Do I get credit for next time?" 404 00:23:00,161 --> 00:23:02,684 Within two minutes of that text being sent, 405 00:23:02,685 --> 00:23:04,077 the cell site indicates that 406 00:23:04,078 --> 00:23:06,384 the burner phone is in Massapequa Park. 407 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:09,517 So the next night, this same burner phone 408 00:23:09,518 --> 00:23:11,737 pings in Midtown Manhattan. 409 00:23:11,738 --> 00:23:14,304 Then it pings in Massapequa. 410 00:23:14,305 --> 00:23:18,440 And then it ends up pinging where Amber Costello lives. 411 00:23:21,530 --> 00:23:25,533 The next night, Amber Costello tells her roommate, 412 00:23:25,534 --> 00:23:30,104 Dave Schaller, that she's going to see this same client. 413 00:23:31,497 --> 00:23:35,544 And of course, she never came back. 414 00:23:38,068 --> 00:23:42,681 Schaller told police that this client resembled an ogre, 415 00:23:42,682 --> 00:23:45,901 and he was around 6'4" inches tall. 416 00:23:45,902 --> 00:23:50,777 This guy was so relentless, he called several times. 417 00:23:51,734 --> 00:23:53,605 This is somebody that I've seen. 418 00:23:53,606 --> 00:23:56,869 I might be the one of the only people who knows who he is. 419 00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:59,959 He was described as this hulking man 420 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:01,483 who looked like an ogre. 421 00:24:02,919 --> 00:24:06,793 He wore these sort of large glasses. He had bushy hair. 422 00:24:07,794 --> 00:24:10,796 Equally significant, Schaller says 423 00:24:10,797 --> 00:24:13,276 that he was driving a unique vehicle. 424 00:24:13,277 --> 00:24:17,107 A dark green, first-generation Chevrolet Avalanche. 425 00:24:21,677 --> 00:24:23,897 By the end of 2011... 426 00:24:25,376 --> 00:24:28,117 All within the first year of the case. 427 00:24:30,251 --> 00:24:33,646 Just think about what the investigators already have. 428 00:24:35,778 --> 00:24:37,824 A description of the killer. 429 00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:42,392 The make and model of his car. 430 00:24:42,393 --> 00:24:45,527 And a pretty good idea of the area where he travels... 431 00:24:46,615 --> 00:24:49,182 Between Long Island and Manhattan. 432 00:24:49,183 --> 00:24:50,618 Penn Station. 433 00:24:50,619 --> 00:24:52,881 Clearly, he is very knowledgeable 434 00:24:52,882 --> 00:24:55,668 about the Gilgo Beach area. 435 00:24:57,365 --> 00:24:59,758 It's very deserted. It's very desolate. 436 00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:03,457 Which implies that he either works in that area 437 00:25:03,458 --> 00:25:06,504 or he lives in that area. 438 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:10,943 Investigators were actually closer to targeting a suspect 439 00:25:10,944 --> 00:25:12,554 than they ever had been. 440 00:25:14,425 --> 00:25:16,078 So the obvious question is 441 00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:18,559 why didn't investigators take the next step? 442 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,258 Why does this case continue to drag on for another decade? 443 00:25:22,259 --> 00:25:25,045 And in that time, does the killer become more emboldened? 444 00:25:26,655 --> 00:25:30,397 Hunting and killing and stalking without any fear of reprisal? 445 00:25:30,398 --> 00:25:33,619 How many more women have to die before he's caught? 446 00:25:42,410 --> 00:25:44,454 These mothers, stepdads, 447 00:25:44,455 --> 00:25:47,457 aunts and other relatives gathered for a vigil 448 00:25:47,458 --> 00:25:49,547 in remembrance of three young women 449 00:25:49,548 --> 00:25:54,030 whose remains were discovered and identified in this area. 450 00:25:57,077 --> 00:26:01,776 We have a lot of questions that we want answers to. 451 00:26:01,777 --> 00:26:03,082 You know who you are. 452 00:26:03,083 --> 00:26:05,346 You know what you did to these women. 453 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,435 Somebody out there knows something. 454 00:26:08,436 --> 00:26:10,568 Somebody had seen something. 455 00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:12,570 Don't be afraid. 456 00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:14,615 You turn this person in, 457 00:26:14,616 --> 00:26:18,011 you're gonna save another human's life. 458 00:26:19,665 --> 00:26:21,666 You're a very weak man. 459 00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:25,365 You prey on small, innocent girls, 460 00:26:25,366 --> 00:26:27,194 and we're gonna get you. 461 00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:32,154 As the families of the Gilgo Four 462 00:26:32,155 --> 00:26:34,592 are gathering for their daughters, 463 00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:39,205 something honestly unbelievable happens. 464 00:26:39,206 --> 00:26:41,642 Shannan's body's discovered. 465 00:26:41,643 --> 00:26:45,254 The woman they've been looking for, Shannan Gilbert. 466 00:26:45,255 --> 00:26:49,607 Police believe they have finally found her remains. 467 00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:51,870 We believe that Shannan Gilbert 468 00:26:51,871 --> 00:26:54,916 ran into that area the night that she disappeared. 469 00:26:54,917 --> 00:26:57,005 And looking at the terrain, 470 00:26:57,006 --> 00:27:00,618 it's very easy to get engulfed with water 471 00:27:00,619 --> 00:27:04,273 and fall down and not be able to get out of there. 472 00:27:04,274 --> 00:27:08,191 So we surmise that that's what happened to Shannan. 473 00:27:09,628 --> 00:27:12,673 Law enforcement said that she had drowned. 474 00:27:12,674 --> 00:27:15,981 But the official autopsy report 475 00:27:15,982 --> 00:27:18,592 listed her death as undetermined. 476 00:27:18,593 --> 00:27:22,378 And I think even at one point, said death by misadventure. 477 00:27:22,379 --> 00:27:24,946 It seemed to be victim blaming. 478 00:27:24,947 --> 00:27:27,645 And you have to ask yourself, 479 00:27:27,646 --> 00:27:30,691 is it because she was a sex worker? 480 00:27:30,692 --> 00:27:34,390 These women were reportedly prostitutes or escorts, 481 00:27:34,391 --> 00:27:38,003 and how does that affect an investigation? 482 00:27:38,004 --> 00:27:39,700 I'll be very frank about it. 483 00:27:39,701 --> 00:27:41,571 Will it get the exact same amount 484 00:27:41,572 --> 00:27:43,138 of close attention and manpower 485 00:27:43,139 --> 00:27:46,098 that say a missing schoolteacher in Central Park might get? 486 00:27:46,099 --> 00:27:47,882 The reality is they will not. 487 00:27:47,883 --> 00:27:50,669 Let's face it, they have sex with strangers for money. 488 00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:53,366 The subtle message that 489 00:27:53,367 --> 00:27:54,628 was coming out during this time 490 00:27:54,629 --> 00:27:56,238 was like, "If you don't wanna get killed, 491 00:27:56,239 --> 00:27:57,457 don't be a sex worker." 492 00:27:57,458 --> 00:28:00,242 They were all beautiful women. 493 00:28:00,243 --> 00:28:05,596 They weren't just prostitutes, as everybody is saying. 494 00:28:06,815 --> 00:28:09,556 It's been spun a lot of different ways. 495 00:28:09,557 --> 00:28:11,950 I don't care what your occupation is, 496 00:28:11,951 --> 00:28:14,126 what your race, religion, gender is. 497 00:28:14,127 --> 00:28:17,477 You're a victim of ours, we'll give you everything we got. 498 00:28:17,478 --> 00:28:23,657 We are driven by a passion to give victims closure. 499 00:28:23,658 --> 00:28:28,096 I can tell you the original investigators had one goal. 500 00:28:28,097 --> 00:28:31,840 Bring the person who has killed those women to justice. 501 00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:34,624 They're women. 502 00:28:34,625 --> 00:28:36,583 They're women that were murdered. 503 00:28:36,584 --> 00:28:37,802 They're victims. 504 00:28:37,803 --> 00:28:41,022 But sometimes these things take time. 505 00:28:41,023 --> 00:28:42,938 They're not done overnight. 506 00:28:45,724 --> 00:28:48,203 So law enforcement has all of this information 507 00:28:48,204 --> 00:28:52,077 about these women all the way back in 2011. 508 00:28:52,078 --> 00:28:55,036 And remember, they also had solid information 509 00:28:55,037 --> 00:28:58,605 about the man who targeted and killed them. 510 00:28:58,606 --> 00:29:01,739 Their profile told them the killer was a big man, 511 00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:02,957 kind of a recluse. 512 00:29:02,958 --> 00:29:05,264 Who either drove a Chevy Avalanche 513 00:29:05,265 --> 00:29:07,527 or had access to one. 514 00:29:07,528 --> 00:29:10,138 He probably lived in a middle-class community 515 00:29:10,139 --> 00:29:12,271 on Long Island. 516 00:29:12,272 --> 00:29:14,664 The man had a job. 517 00:29:14,665 --> 00:29:16,884 He likely commuted every day, 518 00:29:16,885 --> 00:29:19,408 like thousands of people in Nassau County do 519 00:29:19,409 --> 00:29:20,715 every day to Manhattan. 520 00:29:21,890 --> 00:29:24,500 And then at the end of 2011, 521 00:29:24,501 --> 00:29:26,764 with all of this forward momentum on the case, 522 00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:30,376 there was an election. Which means new appointments. 523 00:29:30,377 --> 00:29:32,770 There was a changing of the guard in Suffolk County, 524 00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:36,295 and a new Chief of Police comes in. 525 00:29:36,296 --> 00:29:40,734 A guy named James Burke. And everything changed. 526 00:29:40,735 --> 00:29:43,302 James Burke inherited the Gilgo Beach case 527 00:29:43,303 --> 00:29:47,175 when he became Chief of Suffolk County Police in 2012. 528 00:29:47,176 --> 00:29:49,874 Jimmy Burke was a friend of mine. 529 00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:53,617 Jimmy was actually one of the smartest men I've ever met. 530 00:29:54,531 --> 00:29:56,795 But he had these demons in him. 531 00:29:58,622 --> 00:30:00,188 Before he was appointed, 532 00:30:00,189 --> 00:30:01,929 an anonymous letter was even written 533 00:30:01,930 --> 00:30:04,627 about this guy warning Suffolk County 534 00:30:04,628 --> 00:30:07,674 not to appoint him as Chief of Police. 535 00:30:07,675 --> 00:30:10,720 Burke's unquenchable taste for prostitutes 536 00:30:10,721 --> 00:30:13,027 and his aggressive sexual appetites, 537 00:30:13,028 --> 00:30:15,595 his presence at swingers parties, 538 00:30:15,596 --> 00:30:17,510 those tales were not rare. 539 00:30:17,511 --> 00:30:20,643 But he seemed to be invincible to scrutiny 540 00:30:20,644 --> 00:30:22,429 or discipline or punishment. 541 00:30:23,386 --> 00:30:24,952 Now he's taking over. 542 00:30:24,953 --> 00:30:27,041 He's the new sheriff in town. 543 00:30:27,042 --> 00:30:29,131 And he basically does whatever he wants. 544 00:30:30,872 --> 00:30:34,005 James Burke decided to remove several members 545 00:30:34,006 --> 00:30:36,094 from the task force that were working 546 00:30:36,095 --> 00:30:37,618 to try and solve this case. 547 00:30:39,054 --> 00:30:40,838 He wanted his own regime. 548 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:42,796 He wanted to get rid of anyone 549 00:30:42,797 --> 00:30:45,320 who might have any competing loyalties prior to him. 550 00:30:45,321 --> 00:30:48,497 There were the Chief of Detectives, Dominick Varrone, 551 00:30:48,498 --> 00:30:49,890 who had 40 years on the job, 552 00:30:49,891 --> 00:30:52,675 had tremendous institutional knowledge... 553 00:30:52,676 --> 00:30:56,941 was simply taken off the case. He wasn't even debriefed. 554 00:30:56,942 --> 00:30:59,595 And then there's Geraldine Hart, 555 00:30:59,596 --> 00:31:03,338 FBI Supervisory Agent for Long Island. 556 00:31:03,339 --> 00:31:07,212 The Gilgo Beach investigation is perhaps the most well-known 557 00:31:07,213 --> 00:31:10,868 and complex that this department has ever undertaken. 558 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:14,873 She was also removed from the task force by James Burke. 559 00:31:16,091 --> 00:31:18,701 Why is that important? It's important because 560 00:31:18,702 --> 00:31:20,660 the people who had been investigating Gilgo 561 00:31:20,661 --> 00:31:24,490 up until that point did not relay their findings 562 00:31:24,491 --> 00:31:27,493 to the next group of Burke's personnel 563 00:31:27,494 --> 00:31:28,930 who would take up the case. 564 00:31:31,672 --> 00:31:35,849 Removing a partner like the FBI who has vast resources, 565 00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:39,113 especially the forensic capabilities that they had, 566 00:31:39,114 --> 00:31:43,379 tragically, it makes it harder for this case to be solved. 567 00:31:45,686 --> 00:31:46,991 One of the theories at the time 568 00:31:46,992 --> 00:31:48,644 was simply that the Suffolk Police 569 00:31:48,645 --> 00:31:50,342 wanted credit for cracking it, 570 00:31:50,343 --> 00:31:53,475 as opposed to federal investigators. 571 00:31:53,476 --> 00:31:55,564 So perhaps a case of hubris. 572 00:31:55,565 --> 00:31:59,133 These are people encroaching on our investigative territory. 573 00:31:59,134 --> 00:32:00,787 So let's keep them at bay. 574 00:32:00,788 --> 00:32:02,571 Once this case is solved, 575 00:32:02,572 --> 00:32:06,053 we want to be able to raise the trophy for our department 576 00:32:06,054 --> 00:32:11,190 that will benefit Burke's career and all those around him. 577 00:32:13,714 --> 00:32:17,718 It turns out, though, that's not the reason why he did it. 578 00:32:20,721 --> 00:32:22,591 My name is Alexis Linkletter, 579 00:32:22,592 --> 00:32:24,593 and I am an investigative journalist, 580 00:32:24,594 --> 00:32:29,033 podcaster, and I'm from Long Island. 581 00:32:29,034 --> 00:32:34,734 This case essentially fell into my lap between 2012 and 2013 582 00:32:34,735 --> 00:32:37,432 when Chris Loeb, a guy I went to high school with, 583 00:32:37,433 --> 00:32:39,521 a guy I'd known since seventh grade, 584 00:32:39,522 --> 00:32:45,136 essentially found himself at the center of this insane story. 585 00:32:45,137 --> 00:32:46,876 After years of controversy 586 00:32:46,877 --> 00:32:49,053 surrounding guns and a sex worker, 587 00:32:49,054 --> 00:32:52,535 the Suffolk County Police Chief resigned today. 588 00:32:53,667 --> 00:32:55,798 James Burke was arrested 589 00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:59,019 for the cover up of an assault on a suspect, Chris Loeb. 590 00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:02,457 Christopher Loeb of Smithtown, was taken into custody 591 00:33:02,458 --> 00:33:04,982 for stealing belongings from Burke's department-issued car, 592 00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:06,896 which was parked outside his home. 593 00:33:06,897 --> 00:33:10,509 That wouldn't necessarily have been particularly interesting, 594 00:33:10,510 --> 00:33:13,773 except for what was found inside the duffel bag. 595 00:33:13,774 --> 00:33:19,953 Which was sex toys, pornography, and other just strange items 596 00:33:19,954 --> 00:33:22,347 that you wouldn't expect a Police Chief to have 597 00:33:22,348 --> 00:33:24,263 in his department-issued SUV. 598 00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:34,011 After this happened, Chris is brought back 599 00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:36,665 to Suffolk County Police Headquarters, 600 00:33:36,666 --> 00:33:38,667 and he's chained to a floor. 601 00:33:38,668 --> 00:33:40,321 He's beaten for hours. 602 00:33:40,322 --> 00:33:42,497 He's taunted by James Burke 603 00:33:42,498 --> 00:33:44,847 and several of his subordinate officers. 604 00:33:44,848 --> 00:33:47,937 Burke has now pled guilty to federal charges 605 00:33:47,938 --> 00:33:51,854 of assaulting a suspect and conspiring to cover it up. 606 00:33:51,855 --> 00:33:54,379 This whole part of the story is so extraordinary. 607 00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:57,164 One has to ask, how much did the Burke scandal 608 00:33:57,165 --> 00:34:00,646 impact the Long Island serial killer investigation? 609 00:34:00,647 --> 00:34:02,169 It has a huge impact because 610 00:34:02,170 --> 00:34:04,345 it happens during this critical period, 611 00:34:04,346 --> 00:34:06,608 where the original Gilgo investigation 612 00:34:06,609 --> 00:34:09,221 actually had made some very good progress. 613 00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:13,833 Remember, Suffolk County investigators 614 00:34:13,834 --> 00:34:16,096 had this profile of an ogre 615 00:34:16,097 --> 00:34:18,664 who lived somewhere in Massapequa Park. 616 00:34:18,665 --> 00:34:21,668 Who works somewhere in Midtown Manhattan. 617 00:34:22,712 --> 00:34:24,017 Who either once owned 618 00:34:24,018 --> 00:34:27,151 or still owns a Chevy Avalanche. 619 00:34:27,152 --> 00:34:29,936 And because of this corruption in the SCPD, 620 00:34:29,937 --> 00:34:34,115 he's been given this five-year grace period to live his life. 621 00:34:35,899 --> 00:34:38,988 Did this person continue to commit murder? 622 00:34:38,989 --> 00:34:41,817 What if they moved away from Long Island? 623 00:34:41,818 --> 00:34:44,777 I had pretty much given up hope at this point. 624 00:34:44,778 --> 00:34:48,911 Will investigators ever find the Long Island serial killer? 625 00:35:03,797 --> 00:35:05,537 So, after James Burke is ousted 626 00:35:05,538 --> 00:35:08,931 as Suffolk County police chief in 2015, 627 00:35:08,932 --> 00:35:11,717 the investigation into the Long Island serial killer 628 00:35:11,718 --> 00:35:14,634 pretty much slows to a crawl for the next three years. 629 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,685 But in the spring of 2018, the Suffolk County Executive 630 00:35:23,686 --> 00:35:28,429 selected Geraldine Hart as the Police Commissioner. 631 00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:29,996 Ironically, Geraldine Hart 632 00:35:29,997 --> 00:35:32,825 was a former FBI Supervisory Agent 633 00:35:32,826 --> 00:35:35,915 for Long Island who was actually removed from the Task Force 634 00:35:35,916 --> 00:35:38,527 originally by then Police Chief James Burke. 635 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,312 All of a sudden, we hear 636 00:35:41,313 --> 00:35:43,401 there's going to be a press conference 637 00:35:43,402 --> 00:35:47,536 about this piece of evidence never seen before. 638 00:35:49,799 --> 00:35:51,148 I would first like to introduce 639 00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:52,888 Suffolk County Police Commissioner 640 00:35:52,889 --> 00:35:54,586 Geraldine Hart. 641 00:35:54,587 --> 00:35:58,590 Today we are releasing a significant piece of evidence 642 00:35:58,591 --> 00:36:02,898 found at one of the crime scenes along Ocean Parkway. 643 00:36:02,899 --> 00:36:05,163 A black leather belt. 644 00:36:06,773 --> 00:36:12,778 Embossed with the letters HM or WH was recovered 645 00:36:12,779 --> 00:36:16,869 during the initial stages of this investigation. 646 00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:23,789 We believe that the belt was handled by the suspect 647 00:36:23,790 --> 00:36:28,663 and did not belong to any of the victims. 648 00:36:28,664 --> 00:36:30,578 There have long been questions. 649 00:36:30,579 --> 00:36:32,928 What size is the waist of the belt? 650 00:36:32,929 --> 00:36:36,367 It wasn't long after that the police release a video 651 00:36:36,368 --> 00:36:39,109 of Megan Waterman, one of the Gilgo Four. 652 00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:41,981 Megan Waterman is last seen 653 00:36:41,982 --> 00:36:45,854 leaving the Holiday Inn Express in Hauppauge, Long Island. 654 00:36:45,855 --> 00:36:48,161 She's in the lobby at the desk. 655 00:36:48,162 --> 00:36:51,382 And then she just walks out that door. 656 00:36:51,383 --> 00:36:52,732 And vanishes. 657 00:36:54,995 --> 00:36:57,953 At this point, there is now a steady 658 00:36:57,954 --> 00:37:00,826 dispersal of new evidence from the new regime 659 00:37:00,827 --> 00:37:03,568 in Suffolk County police headquarters. 660 00:37:03,569 --> 00:37:06,135 They created enough momentum at this point 661 00:37:06,136 --> 00:37:09,618 to start to spur some questions if they were closing in. 662 00:37:11,533 --> 00:37:13,230 Did they have a suspect? 663 00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:17,844 Are they releasing these items to perhaps get a reaction... 664 00:37:18,932 --> 00:37:21,412 from the person who's on their radar? 665 00:37:21,413 --> 00:37:23,109 There was this big rev up 666 00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:26,373 which really made us feel like they were about to solve it. 667 00:37:26,374 --> 00:37:30,769 But then, it just dropped off again. 668 00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:32,728 And it was quiet again. 669 00:37:38,473 --> 00:37:42,563 With a serial killer like this, the thrill is in the kill. 670 00:37:42,564 --> 00:37:45,914 What really drives him is not sex 671 00:37:45,915 --> 00:37:49,354 but rather the power over another human being. 672 00:37:58,972 --> 00:38:03,758 But it's not really until 2022 when everything changed. 673 00:38:03,759 --> 00:38:05,238 You have Ray Tierney 674 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,372 that's elected as a District Attorney. 675 00:38:08,373 --> 00:38:11,853 One of the first things that Ray Tierney said to me was: 676 00:38:11,854 --> 00:38:16,118 "I wanna work with the sheriff's office on every case possible, 677 00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:18,033 including Gilgo. 678 00:38:18,034 --> 00:38:19,818 And then a few months later, 679 00:38:19,819 --> 00:38:22,342 Rodney Harrison is now selected as the Police Commissioner. 680 00:38:22,343 --> 00:38:27,086 Rodney Harrison's career with the NYPD leads to a new role 681 00:38:27,087 --> 00:38:28,957 as he steps in as the commissioner 682 00:38:28,958 --> 00:38:31,308 of the Suffolk County Police Department. 683 00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:34,006 This is a bittersweet moment for me. 684 00:38:34,007 --> 00:38:37,009 Rodney Harrison, who is a former chief of police 685 00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:38,532 with the New York City Police Department, 686 00:38:38,533 --> 00:38:40,360 was also chief of detectives. 687 00:38:40,361 --> 00:38:43,581 A wealth of experience when it comes to investigations. 688 00:38:43,582 --> 00:38:45,323 He came into this building... 689 00:38:46,976 --> 00:38:50,588 And said to me, he met with my staff, he goes: 690 00:38:50,589 --> 00:38:53,242 "We're gonna work collaboratively on everything, 691 00:38:53,243 --> 00:38:56,333 and there's not gonna be any silos." 692 00:38:56,334 --> 00:39:02,688 We will not rest until we bring those accountable to justice. 693 00:39:04,385 --> 00:39:07,474 That solving this serial case 694 00:39:07,475 --> 00:39:09,390 is gonna be very, very important to me. 695 00:39:11,914 --> 00:39:13,915 He announced the creation of a task force 696 00:39:13,916 --> 00:39:16,310 dedicated solely to the Gilgo case. 697 00:39:21,533 --> 00:39:23,925 And he used language that we had not heard 698 00:39:23,926 --> 00:39:27,016 in a very long time. 699 00:39:29,889 --> 00:39:32,194 Now remember, the early investigation 700 00:39:32,195 --> 00:39:34,675 turned up a lot of clues. 701 00:39:34,676 --> 00:39:36,373 There was a lot of meat on the bone. 702 00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:39,201 Now, he's doing the legwork. It's a puzzle. 703 00:39:39,202 --> 00:39:40,899 You're putting pieces in, 704 00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:43,076 and at the end, you assemble a puzzle. 705 00:39:44,338 --> 00:39:46,078 About a year after they found the bodies, 706 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,559 Suffolk County PD had two specific areas 707 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,519 that were of great interest to them. 708 00:39:54,566 --> 00:39:58,525 Cell data traced the killer's calls to New York City. 709 00:39:58,526 --> 00:40:02,181 And also to Massapequa Park in Long Island. 710 00:40:02,182 --> 00:40:05,576 Now, the task force and the FBI reexamined 711 00:40:05,577 --> 00:40:08,318 the cell phone data from the time of the murders. 712 00:40:09,798 --> 00:40:12,887 There's an area of a confluence of cell phone towers, 713 00:40:12,888 --> 00:40:14,586 and that was mapped out. 714 00:40:17,066 --> 00:40:18,590 They called it the box. 715 00:40:21,549 --> 00:40:24,986 One box was in Massapequa on Long Island, 716 00:40:24,987 --> 00:40:27,381 and one box was in Manhattan. 717 00:40:28,513 --> 00:40:31,253 Somewhere in this area, it's a possibility 718 00:40:31,254 --> 00:40:35,041 that the killer lived within Massapequa's box. 719 00:40:38,131 --> 00:40:41,003 But so did 500 other families. 720 00:40:43,484 --> 00:40:46,138 But it's not as if police didn't have 721 00:40:46,139 --> 00:40:48,315 some very specific clues to work with. 722 00:40:50,839 --> 00:40:55,321 Back in 2010, Amber Costello's roommate, David Schaller, 723 00:40:55,322 --> 00:40:57,323 had given investigators a description 724 00:40:57,324 --> 00:40:59,413 of both the suspect and his vehicle. 725 00:41:00,762 --> 00:41:03,938 Dave Schaller remembered this hulking man 726 00:41:03,939 --> 00:41:07,594 that came into the house on September 1st, 2010 727 00:41:07,595 --> 00:41:09,291 who looked like an ogre. 728 00:41:11,425 --> 00:41:15,733 He was described as being between 6-foot-4 and 6-foot-6. 729 00:41:15,734 --> 00:41:18,475 And then when he ran out of that house, the vehicle was seen. 730 00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:22,000 And apparently, this vehicle was a first generation 731 00:41:22,001 --> 00:41:23,698 dark green Chevy Avalanche. 732 00:41:25,047 --> 00:41:27,571 It was an unusual vehicle. 733 00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:29,703 I don't wanna Monday morning quarterback anyone. 734 00:41:29,704 --> 00:41:33,403 But if I get a specific vehicle... 735 00:41:34,796 --> 00:41:38,669 without a plate, what we do is we'll run a search. 736 00:41:38,670 --> 00:41:42,020 So the state police plug that Avalanche in, 737 00:41:42,021 --> 00:41:44,588 and they give you every Avalanche that color 738 00:41:44,589 --> 00:41:48,288 in Massapequa, Nassau County, whatever you give them, 739 00:41:49,376 --> 00:41:53,075 and they'll give you all those cars. 740 00:41:56,165 --> 00:41:59,560 So police conduct a search for that particular vehicle. 741 00:42:00,692 --> 00:42:04,564 They overlay it in that zone of interest 742 00:42:04,565 --> 00:42:06,654 in Massapequa. 743 00:42:08,003 --> 00:42:09,527 And they get a hit. 744 00:42:18,144 --> 00:42:20,624 In March of 2022, 745 00:42:20,625 --> 00:42:23,323 for the first time since 2010, 746 00:42:24,585 --> 00:42:27,892 13 years after the Gilgo Four were discovered, 747 00:42:27,893 --> 00:42:30,242 Police have a name. 748 00:42:30,243 --> 00:42:32,593 And they now have a suspect. 749 00:42:33,768 --> 00:42:34,986 And what's the best way 750 00:42:34,987 --> 00:42:36,554 to confirm that he's the man? 751 00:42:37,946 --> 00:42:39,252 DNA. 752 00:42:41,950 --> 00:42:46,824 In 2010, investigators found five hairs 753 00:42:46,825 --> 00:42:49,522 on three of the victims. 754 00:42:49,523 --> 00:42:52,177 Because the bodies were exposed to the elements, 755 00:42:52,178 --> 00:42:54,180 those hairs were degraded. 756 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,224 So you couldn't use 757 00:42:56,225 --> 00:42:58,750 traditional DNA analysis on them. 758 00:43:00,229 --> 00:43:04,406 At the time, investigators could only determine that 759 00:43:04,407 --> 00:43:07,148 four of the hairs were female, one was male, 760 00:43:07,149 --> 00:43:09,411 and they were all Caucasian. 761 00:43:09,412 --> 00:43:12,806 In 2010, the technology was not advanced enough 762 00:43:12,807 --> 00:43:16,070 to identify whose DNA was on those hairs. 763 00:43:16,071 --> 00:43:20,466 But by 2022, DNA technology had finally advanced enough 764 00:43:20,467 --> 00:43:24,863 where investigators could pull a profile from the hairs. 765 00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:27,473 The problem, however, 766 00:43:27,474 --> 00:43:29,910 was the suspect had never been arrested. 767 00:43:29,911 --> 00:43:32,347 And so, if the suspect has never had 768 00:43:32,348 --> 00:43:34,132 any interaction with law enforcement, 769 00:43:34,133 --> 00:43:39,051 his fingerprints or any DNA has never been in our system. 770 00:43:42,141 --> 00:43:44,316 So, once they had a target, 771 00:43:44,317 --> 00:43:47,145 they went after collecting family DNA. 772 00:43:47,146 --> 00:43:49,321 One of the things that you have to think about 773 00:43:49,322 --> 00:43:51,976 when you're surveilling someone and you need DNA, you know, 774 00:43:51,977 --> 00:43:54,979 you wanna get a DNA that's discarded. 775 00:43:54,980 --> 00:43:57,895 But to get the samples, you have to get creative. 776 00:43:57,896 --> 00:44:02,029 First, investigators pose as sanitation workers, 777 00:44:02,030 --> 00:44:03,509 and show up at the house, 778 00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:06,904 and start collecting bottles outside the home, 779 00:44:06,905 --> 00:44:09,081 and they do DNA swabs. 780 00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:12,387 Then one day, the suspect 781 00:44:12,388 --> 00:44:14,389 walks out of his Manhattan office, 782 00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:16,348 and he's holding a pizza box, 783 00:44:16,349 --> 00:44:19,873 and he throws it in the garbage can. 784 00:44:19,874 --> 00:44:21,788 The investigators take the box out, 785 00:44:21,789 --> 00:44:24,661 and they swab the pizza crust and the napkin, 786 00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:27,316 and they send that to the crime lab. 787 00:44:30,406 --> 00:44:34,758 It was very important to connect that pizza crust, or that DNA 788 00:44:34,759 --> 00:44:36,324 to the DNA at the crime scene 789 00:44:36,325 --> 00:44:39,807 to conclusively link the suspect to the crimes. 790 00:44:42,854 --> 00:44:45,290 As they're waiting for the results to come back, 791 00:44:45,291 --> 00:44:47,161 subpoenas are issued, 792 00:44:47,162 --> 00:44:50,774 and they're searching his personal cell phone records. 793 00:44:50,775 --> 00:44:52,514 They're trying to connect the dots 794 00:44:52,515 --> 00:44:55,910 between his regular cell phone and the burner phones. 795 00:44:57,738 --> 00:45:01,959 We executed over 300 subpoenas, search warrants 796 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,743 pertaining to this individual. 797 00:45:03,744 --> 00:45:05,179 We were able to identify 798 00:45:05,180 --> 00:45:08,226 seven separate burner phones that he used. 799 00:45:08,227 --> 00:45:11,011 We compared his personal cell site records. 800 00:45:11,012 --> 00:45:15,015 If the personal phone would bounce off a cell tower, 801 00:45:15,016 --> 00:45:18,584 it was always consistent and in close proximity 802 00:45:18,585 --> 00:45:20,282 with the target phones. 803 00:45:22,415 --> 00:45:25,156 All this occurs over the course of a year. 804 00:45:25,157 --> 00:45:27,941 Investigators now have cell phone data 805 00:45:27,942 --> 00:45:31,815 that puts burner phones, and the suspect's cell phone, 806 00:45:31,816 --> 00:45:34,556 and some of the victims' phones together. 807 00:45:34,557 --> 00:45:36,777 And then the DNA results come back. 808 00:45:37,952 --> 00:45:40,607 And they have enough to make an arrest. 809 00:45:45,917 --> 00:45:49,397 So now, it's time to close in on him. 810 00:45:49,398 --> 00:45:52,487 At least 10 investigators from the Gilgo Beach Task Force 811 00:45:52,488 --> 00:45:55,839 who've been watching this guy for the last year 812 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,928 are in position outside the suspect's office 813 00:45:57,929 --> 00:46:01,280 in midtown Manhattan, ready to move in. 814 00:46:02,063 --> 00:46:04,979 And finally, here he comes. 815 00:46:09,592 --> 00:46:11,943 They box him in so he can't escape. 816 00:46:17,426 --> 00:46:19,514 After nearly 13 years. 817 00:46:19,515 --> 00:46:21,734 After all of the turmoil 818 00:46:21,735 --> 00:46:24,345 in the Suffolk County Police Department. 819 00:46:24,346 --> 00:46:29,960 And now, this moment of redemption in the investigation. 820 00:46:29,961 --> 00:46:36,749 This architect, father, stepfather, husband, 821 00:46:36,750 --> 00:46:40,232 is arrested as the Gilgo Beach serial killer... 822 00:46:41,842 --> 00:46:45,585 whose name we learned is Rex Heuermann. 823 00:46:55,421 --> 00:46:58,727 We wanna begin right now with breaking news out of New York. 824 00:46:58,728 --> 00:47:01,730 A major development in a long unsolved case 825 00:47:01,731 --> 00:47:03,863 is revealed by investigators. 826 00:47:03,864 --> 00:47:08,173 Police have arrested a suspect in the murders on Gilgo Beach. 827 00:47:09,391 --> 00:47:11,218 After 13 years, 828 00:47:11,219 --> 00:47:14,178 this bombshell drops out of seemingly nowhere, 829 00:47:14,179 --> 00:47:17,050 and it just cracks the case wide open. 830 00:47:17,051 --> 00:47:20,793 You can see the suspect walking down Fifth Avenue 831 00:47:20,794 --> 00:47:24,101 when a group of agents swoop in and make the arrest. 832 00:47:24,102 --> 00:47:27,408 They corner him so he can't escape. 833 00:47:27,409 --> 00:47:29,541 Charged with killing three women, 834 00:47:29,542 --> 00:47:32,370 Rex Heuermann is also the primary suspect 835 00:47:32,371 --> 00:47:35,286 in the death of a fourth. 836 00:47:35,287 --> 00:47:37,070 I remember thinking, "Oh, shit. 837 00:47:37,071 --> 00:47:40,205 Who would've suspected that that guy was the killer?" 838 00:47:43,121 --> 00:47:45,339 The old thing: "It's right under your nose." 839 00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:48,735 It's right in front of you. You can't see it sometimes. 840 00:47:49,779 --> 00:47:52,259 So the Nassau County Police Academy, 841 00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:56,438 which has the Intel Center at the time, was on Second Avenue. 842 00:47:58,005 --> 00:48:00,833 We were two blocks from the actual house, 843 00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:03,357 literally around the corner. 844 00:48:03,358 --> 00:48:06,666 It's like, "Jeez, I passed that block a thousand times. 845 00:48:09,321 --> 00:48:10,843 I worked out of that building. 846 00:48:10,844 --> 00:48:14,282 I drove past it a dozen times, you know, easily. 847 00:48:19,244 --> 00:48:22,943 The fact that he was the devil that walked amongst us... 848 00:48:24,249 --> 00:48:25,684 He made you scratch your head, 849 00:48:25,685 --> 00:48:27,468 like, "Wow, how did this happen?" 850 00:48:27,469 --> 00:48:31,081 Because he basically was the person that lived next door. 851 00:48:31,082 --> 00:48:33,910 It doesn't take long to figure out a serial killer is gonna be 852 00:48:33,911 --> 00:48:36,435 the front page of the New York Post that day. 853 00:48:37,436 --> 00:48:39,524 It's the perfect tabloid story. 854 00:48:39,525 --> 00:48:41,265 Who is Rex Heuermann? 855 00:48:41,266 --> 00:48:43,745 What's his family situation like? What's his background? 856 00:48:43,746 --> 00:48:46,400 Rex Heuermann, a longtime resident 857 00:48:46,401 --> 00:48:48,925 of Massapequa Park, Long Island. 858 00:48:48,926 --> 00:48:50,578 A 59 year-old architect 859 00:48:50,579 --> 00:48:53,494 who's also a husband and a father. 860 00:48:53,495 --> 00:48:58,021 Rex Heuermann is a demon that walks among us. 861 00:48:58,022 --> 00:49:00,981 A predator that ruined families. 862 00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:04,505 At the exact same time, 863 00:49:04,506 --> 00:49:06,855 there is a media circus at the courthouse. 864 00:49:06,856 --> 00:49:09,641 There's a media circus breaking out in front of his house. 865 00:49:09,642 --> 00:49:13,688 Residents of Massapequa Park were shocked to discover 866 00:49:13,689 --> 00:49:17,431 that Rex Heuermann had been living just a few houses away. 867 00:49:17,432 --> 00:49:19,477 To know that something like this is going on, 868 00:49:19,478 --> 00:49:23,177 or someone is living 'em in this community, it's crazy. 869 00:49:24,787 --> 00:49:28,312 We're scrambling to get any information we can. 870 00:49:28,313 --> 00:49:30,445 Who is this guy? What's his background? 871 00:49:31,490 --> 00:49:33,882 Shocking. You know, it's scary, too. 872 00:49:33,883 --> 00:49:36,973 The rest of the houses in this neighborhood 873 00:49:36,974 --> 00:49:39,236 are middle-class homes. 874 00:49:39,237 --> 00:49:42,282 His looks more like a house of horrors, 875 00:49:42,283 --> 00:49:43,631 and he's an architect. 876 00:49:43,632 --> 00:49:45,416 Neighbors told us that they wouldn't let 877 00:49:45,417 --> 00:49:48,201 their kids trick or treat at that particular house. 878 00:49:48,202 --> 00:49:51,117 The guy was odd. I kept him at arm's length 879 00:49:51,118 --> 00:49:53,599 because I really didn't wanna be close to him. 880 00:49:55,166 --> 00:49:56,644 This is the house that police 881 00:49:56,645 --> 00:49:58,255 have been swarming this morning, 882 00:49:58,256 --> 00:50:00,561 105 First Avenue in Massapequa Park. 883 00:50:00,562 --> 00:50:03,825 Using heavy equipment and forensic K-9 units, 884 00:50:03,826 --> 00:50:06,263 police combed through the home's backyard. 885 00:50:06,264 --> 00:50:09,092 Officers in hazmat suits going into the house. 886 00:50:09,093 --> 00:50:11,442 So clearly, they're in there to do 887 00:50:11,443 --> 00:50:13,922 some sort of forensic activity. 888 00:50:13,923 --> 00:50:16,577 Police are looking into whether the victims 889 00:50:16,578 --> 00:50:18,362 were ever inside the residence. 890 00:50:18,363 --> 00:50:21,887 Authorities uncovered more than 200 firearms 891 00:50:21,888 --> 00:50:24,107 in a vault located in the basement 892 00:50:24,108 --> 00:50:25,891 of Rex Heuermann's home. 893 00:50:25,892 --> 00:50:28,372 It was a big gun vault. It was a huge gun vault. 894 00:50:28,373 --> 00:50:30,243 The guy had 300 guns in his house. 895 00:50:30,244 --> 00:50:34,508 The neighbor was describing it as a soundproof locked room. 896 00:50:34,509 --> 00:50:38,643 Years ago, I've seen a bunch of guys carrying this 897 00:50:38,644 --> 00:50:41,341 incredibly heavy object in there. 898 00:50:41,342 --> 00:50:43,256 And I said, "Wow, that's heavy rocks." 899 00:50:43,257 --> 00:50:45,867 And he said it was an iron door for the basement. 900 00:50:45,868 --> 00:50:48,957 The whole speculation is he's butchering these people 901 00:50:48,958 --> 00:50:51,090 in his own basement. 902 00:50:51,091 --> 00:50:52,787 That he had a killing vault. 903 00:50:52,788 --> 00:50:55,703 We have obtained a massive amount of evidence, 904 00:50:55,704 --> 00:50:57,531 as well as trace evidence, 905 00:50:57,532 --> 00:51:00,708 including blood, DNA, and hair fibers. 906 00:51:00,709 --> 00:51:03,233 It's not like TV. It's going to be a while 907 00:51:03,234 --> 00:51:06,237 for the analysts to do their job. 908 00:51:09,327 --> 00:51:14,635 Remember, these crimes weren't committed at Gilgo Beach. 909 00:51:14,636 --> 00:51:16,333 So the question is, 910 00:51:16,334 --> 00:51:20,119 did Heuermann commit these crimes in his house? 911 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,469 Did the family know about his actions? 912 00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:25,255 And are they assisting investigators? 913 00:51:25,256 --> 00:51:27,735 As this unfolds, we'll learn more information 914 00:51:27,736 --> 00:51:29,520 about what the family knew. 915 00:51:29,521 --> 00:51:31,739 The idea that the wife didn't know anything 916 00:51:31,740 --> 00:51:34,829 about what he was doing is hard to believe. 917 00:51:34,830 --> 00:51:37,528 The most mysterious figure in this whole thing 918 00:51:37,529 --> 00:51:40,879 is Asa, Rex's wife. 919 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,968 Because we don't know what her role is, 920 00:51:42,969 --> 00:51:44,709 what her motivation is. 921 00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:48,191 Nobody's opinion is that they have a bead on Asa, 922 00:51:48,192 --> 00:51:49,844 on whether she was involved or not. 923 00:51:49,845 --> 00:51:51,629 It's kind of like a big question mark, 924 00:51:51,630 --> 00:51:55,415 because Asa has not talked to any of us. 925 00:51:55,416 --> 00:51:57,113 We can only speculate. 926 00:51:57,114 --> 00:52:02,248 As the days tick by, the other reporters were desperately 927 00:52:02,249 --> 00:52:06,426 trying to report this story, and find her and talk to her. 928 00:52:06,427 --> 00:52:08,298 But it was like a black hole. 929 00:53:02,353 --> 00:53:04,398 How could you not know? 930 00:53:05,399 --> 00:53:06,834 How could you not know 931 00:53:06,835 --> 00:53:09,272 that your husband was a serial killer? 932 00:53:09,273 --> 00:53:12,753 Known what? My husband was home here. 933 00:53:12,754 --> 00:53:15,060 He's a family man. 934 00:53:15,061 --> 00:53:17,584 They're telling me that he's been soliciting sex 935 00:53:17,585 --> 00:53:19,064 from sex workers. What? 936 00:53:19,065 --> 00:53:20,631 I don't have sex with my husband? 937 00:53:20,632 --> 00:53:22,721 I don't satisfy him. 938 00:53:25,811 --> 00:53:28,596 He comes home and eats my dinner. 939 00:53:30,424 --> 00:53:31,730 It's not good enough? 940 00:53:37,953 --> 00:53:39,432 No, it's... 941 00:53:39,433 --> 00:53:41,783 I don't believe my husband did this. 78923

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