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Out here along Ocean Parkway,
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where the body count
just keeps on rising.
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The so-called "Gilgo Four"
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were all petite women,
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all under five foot five,
and they were all sex workers.
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We have a serial killer
on our hands.
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The only word that really
came to mind was monstrous.
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It's the perfect tabloid story.
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But it turns
into something much bigger
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than a simple,
like, serial killer case.
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After years of controversy
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surrounding guns
and a sex worker,
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the Suffolk County Police Chief
resigned today.
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This whole part of the story
is so extraordinary.
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The investigation
pretty much slows to a crawl
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for almost a decade, shockingly.
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Find this killer
before he strikes and murders
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someone that you love.
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And then, after 13 years,
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this bombshell
drops out of seemingly nowhere.
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A suspect now under arrest
in connection
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to the unsolved
Gilgo Beach murders.
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I remember thinking, "Oh, shit.
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Who would have suspected that
that guy was the killer?"
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He basically was the person
that lived next door.
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But the most mysterious figure
in this whole thing is the wife.
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The idea that the wife
didn't know anything
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about what he was doing
is hard to believe.
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She has not talked to any of us.
We can only speculate.
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Does everybody really believe
everything they hear?
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So, the early Gilgo case
starts with Shannan Gilbert.
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Shannan showed up as a sex
worker to a house on Oak Beach.
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She ran from that residence
and then called 911.
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And when she fled,
she knocked on two other doors.
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She ran into that
mucky bramble area
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on the swampy side
of the street
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where she disappeared.
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My name is Patrick Ryder.
I am the Police Commissioner
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for the Nassau County
Police Department.
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Which is right next
to Suffolk County,
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where Gilgo Beach is
here on Long Island.
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Ocean Parkway
runs west to east.
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It'll take you
from Jones Beach,
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which is about 40 miles
from Manhattan,
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all the way east to Oak Beach,
where Shannan was last seen.
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Along that roadway
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on the right and left side,
it's all bramble.
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You can't see the beach.
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There's high dunes
to protect it
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from, obviously, the tides.
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And right in the middle
is Gilgo Beach.
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Gilgo, in the summer
during the day, very busy area.
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But at night time,
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you could pull over
on the side of the road,
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shut your lights off,
and nobody'll see you.
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If you're in tight
to the bramble area,
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nobody will see your car.
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It's that dark
in some areas at nighttime.
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As detectives, nothing is harder
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than when someone comes in
to report a missing person.
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I'm a cop,
but also I'm a parent.
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Parents are parents.
You know, you want results
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knowing that, "Listen,
that's my child out there."
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My name is Rick Tirelli.
I grew up on Long Island,
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and I'm a former New York City
Homicide Detective.
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Shannan was a sex worker
who disappeared in Oak Beach,
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just seven miles east
of Gilgo Beach.
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Shannan Gilbert went missing
on May 1st of last year
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after she ran screaming
from a client's home at 5 a.m.
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It's the last
she was seen alive.
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John Mallia,
who was a K-9 police officer,
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was looking for Shannan's body.
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He's out there in the bramble
in the cold December weather.
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And he ends up
finding something.
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But it's not Shannan.
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We're live on Gilgo Beach.
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An extensive search that goes on
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for a good mile
along the bay here.
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You can see crime scene
investigators behind me.
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A K-9 unit
on a training exercise here
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uncovered the first body.
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The dog gave me an indication.
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At that point, I saw
the skeletal remains of a body.
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When search teams returned
to the same location today
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to look for more evidence,
they found instead
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three more bodies
stuffed in these brushes.
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The thing with Gilgo is
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everyone on Long Island
and friends of mine
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who worked on other serial
killer cases knew it was big.
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You start to wonder like, like,
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"Where's this guy going?
What's going on?"
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So once we start
uncovering bodies,
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you start getting the concern,
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"How did these happen?
Who are our victims?
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What is the commonality?
What can we do to solve this?"
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Out here along Ocean Parkway,
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where the body count
just keeps on rising
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and the grisly mystery
just deepens as police excavate
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an apparent serial killer's
dumping ground.
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The commonality
amongst the four women
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that were originally found
was they were all bound.
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They were all Caucasian.
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They were relatively, uh, small
in height and small in frame.
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And I thought I've seen it all,
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have dealt with
all types of crimes.
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But when it came to
Gilgo Beach,
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to have a serial killer
of this magnitude.
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You know, I've been a resident
of Suffolk County for 33 years,
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and I wanted to make sure
we had a hand in solving this.
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We look at it
from a personal standpoint.
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There's a weight
on everybody's shoulders
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of an unsolved homicide,
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but none more
than a serial killer.
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Find this killer
before he strikes, and hurts,
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and murders
someone that you love.
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Once the word came down that
there were four bodies there,
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I drove from New York City
as fast as I could
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all the way out to Gilgo Beach.
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It was December.
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It was absolutely
bone-chilling that day.
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I've been a reporter
for 20 years.
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So when a story
on a case like that,
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your question is, "Are they
related or are they not?"
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If they are related,
you drop everything else,
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and you devote yourself to
finding out how they're related.
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Four bodies in one place.
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The assumption
is serial killer.
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And once that phrase comes out,
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there are no other stories
at that point.
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And the peace and beauty
of Fire Island was shattered.
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A very different papacy.
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I grew up on Long Island,
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and I've been a reporter
for more than four decades.
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From Gotti to Gilgo,
I've covered it all.
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I will be the first to tell you
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that I am a wannabe
police detective.
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And when a case is unsolved,
I wanna know why.
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The Gilgo Four were found in
very thick bramble, thick brush,
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just in about 30 feet
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on the westbound lane
of Ocean Parkway.
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They were all naked,
and they were all bound.
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Three of them with tape,
and one was bound with belts,
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and three of them
were wrapped in burlap.
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We're asking ourselves
all these questions:
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"How did they die?
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Where were they killed?"
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It could take weeks or months
to identify the four bodies
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found over
the past couple of days.
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I'm Shannon McGarvey.
I'm an investigative writer.
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I've been working
on the Gilgo case
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for the better part
of a decade.
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The so-called "Gilgo Four"
were all petite women,
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all under five foot five,
and that was chilling.
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Within a week,
there was no indication
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that there was
a person of interest,
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never mind a suspect
in this case.
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How long
has this been going on?
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Who are the victims?
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Were they dumped all at once?
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Anything is possible
at this point
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because there's so many
unanswered questions.
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These questions started
coming out in the beginning
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and just really fueling the
media frenzy around the case.
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I've been a field reporter
for the New York Post,
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going on 14 years, and I've seen
some of the most horrific shit
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that anybody has ever seen
that people shouldn't see.
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I've covered crime.
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I've covered courts, police
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for almost four decades.
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We are the blue collar paper
on Long Island.
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The everyday New Yorker
reads the New York Post.
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What sells is this hunger
for the sensational.
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You don't get more sensational
than a serial killer.
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A lot of it is
the monster among us.
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The fact that my neighbor
could be this horrific killer.
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It just captures
the imagination. Always has.
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You know,
from Jack the Ripper on down.
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I don't think it's a coincidence
that four bodies
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ended up in this area.
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We're looking at that, that
we could have a serial killer.
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So it becomes very obvious
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to the police commissioner
at the time.
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We have a serial killer
on our hands.
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And then fast forward
about a month later...
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We are following
some breaking news
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out of Long Island, New York.
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The medical examiner in Suffolk
County identified the remains
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of all four bodies
found last month.
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The Gilgo four are identified
and we learn that
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they're Maureen
Brainard-Barnes,
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Melissa Barthelemy,
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Megan Waterman,
and Amber Costello.
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Maureen Brainard-Barnes,
a mother of two,
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was working as a Craigslist
escort in Manhattan,
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and disappeared in July 2007.
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After placing an ad
on Craigslist,
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Melissa vanished in July 2009.
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Megan Waterman
went missing in June
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after agreeing to see a client
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on Long Island
through Craigslist.
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Amber, a sex worker,
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was murdered
around September 2nd, 2010.
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It really made me sick.
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If there were many more bodies
out there, we want to find them.
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It's one of the most intense
cases I've ever covered.
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People should be on very,
very high alert.
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How sadistic is this person?
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These young women were abused
and raped and killed.
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What is he capable of?
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...how another body found
in the same area.
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He's a monster.
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It started
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as an effort to find clues
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in the case of a missing woman,
Shannan Gilbert.
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I'd like to report that
we found human remains.
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Four bodies wrapped in burlap,
dumped alongside Ocean Parkway.
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That search has turned
into a gruesome murder mystery,
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with evidence that suggests a
serial killer is on the loose.
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We're looking at that, that
we could have a serial killer.
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These grim discoveries mark
the third serial killer murders
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involving prostitutes
here on Long Island
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in more than two decades.
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Long Island
has a notorious history
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for really disturbing
murder cases.
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An unknown woman was found
murdered in a pickup truck.
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And serial killers.
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We had the Amityville Horror,
Ronald DeFeo Jr.
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It remains one of Long Island's
most disturbing crimes.
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Six members of the DeFeo family
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were gunned down
in their Amityville home.
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Back in the early '90s,
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Joel Rifkin had graveyards
all over the place
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where he would dump
parts of bodies.
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The landscaper is suspected
of being involved
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in the deaths of 18 women,
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several of whom
were sex workers.
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We had Robert Schulman.
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After he fatally
assaulted them,
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he took a knife and a saw
and cut off their limbs.
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Have anything to say at all?
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And then there was
John Bittrolff.
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Bittrolff is facing charges
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for two murders
and is a suspect for a third.
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Three women were beaten,
suffocated,
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and found undressed
in distinct poses.
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So there's a rich history
of serial killer activity
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and gruesome murder on this
relatively isolated island
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in New York City's backyard.
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I've covered it all,
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and I've never seen
a serial killer case
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like the Long Island
serial killer.
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It's sort of on another level.
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This guy, whoever it was,
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was eluding the authorities,
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and really confounding
not only the reporters,
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but the community.
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Why did you pick her?
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How did you pick her?
How did you get her?
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You know, did my sister cry?
Did she beg? You know?
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Did she say, "Please, please?"
Like, "I have kids." Like...
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I'm afraid that
they'll never find this person
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and he'll continue
to keep on killing girls.
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And it's a horrible feeling.
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It is true. As the case
progresses, as time passes on,
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he may get sloppy.
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He may make mistakes.
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But he hasn't done that
up until now.
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So...
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when you're an investigator,
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your job
is to give that family relief.
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Your job is to speak
for the victims.
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Your job is to comfort
the families of those victims.
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You also have a job to solve it.
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Let me first thank everybody
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for coming on such short notice.
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What is now very clear
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is that the area
in and around Gilgo Beach
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has been used to discard human
remains for some period of time.
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In the beginning, I think
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that the Suffolk
County Police Department,
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and the agencies
that were working with them
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took a lot of good investigative
steps to try to find this guy.
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The first year of the case,
the FBI was involved.
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Chief Dominick Varrone
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was the head of the detective
bureau in Suffolk County.
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He said he had meetings
with Geraldine Hart,
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an FBI agent
here on Long Island.
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They were actually starting
to work with the cell phone data
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that they were able to get
from the victims' phones.
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Maureen Brainard-Barnes
was last seen alive
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on July 9th, 2007.
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But three days before,
she started getting
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a series of phone calls
from a burner phone.
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Then, three days after Maureen
Brainard-Barnes disappears,
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there are two outbound calls
made from her cell phone
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near the Long Island Expressway
in Suffolk County.
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Melissa Barthelemy disappeared
on July 10th 2009.
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About a week
before she vanished,
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her cell phone was contacted
by a burner phone.
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And then on July 10th,
the day she went missing,
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that burner phone traveled
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from Massapequa Park on Long
Island to Midtown Manhattan.
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And then later that evening...
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Melissa Barthelemy's
cell phone traveled
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from Midtown Manhattan
out to Massapequa Park.
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The next day, Melissa's phone
pings at a cell site
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in Massapequa at 1:43 a.m.
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So there are important clues
here that detectives
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are picking up on
at this early stage.
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First, the killer
is using burner phones
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as part of his MO.
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Secondly, investigators now know
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that there's three general areas
where the story is unfolding.
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Nassau County,
where Massapequa is.
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Suffolk County,
where Gilgo Beach is.
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And Midtown Manhattan.
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Now, Gilgo Four investigators
dig deeper and reexamine a clue
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from the original investigation
into Melissa's disappearance
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almost two years earlier,
in April 2009.
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Within a week of Melissa
Barthelemy's disappearance,
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her teenage sister
starts to receive
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a series of very sick
and twisted calls
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from a man that's using
Melissa's cell phone.
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She was just 15 years old
when she received a phone call
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she says, "was straight
out of a horror movie."
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There are some diary entries
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that Melissa Barthelemy's
teenage sister Amanda made.
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Have you figured out
who this is?
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No. Where's my sister?
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Are you gonna be a whore
like your sister now?
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No. Where is my sister?
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She's dead. I killed her.
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They're very taunting and angry
words. He obviously enjoys it.
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And he's sick in the head.
I'm scared of my own protection.
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Now, in 2011,
during the Gilgo investigation,
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an FBI team
that was working on the case,
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they were able to track
these calls to a degree.
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Investigators
were able to triangulate
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the phone calls
made from Melissa's phone
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to her sister, Amanda.
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The caller kept them brief,
and there was an early theory
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that he knew
that if you stayed on the line
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for a certain amount of time,
you could get a precise trace.
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He seemed cognizant of that
and ended the calls early.
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And we're wondering
what's going on here.
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How sophisticated is this guy?
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Does he have
a law enforcement background?
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Does he know
how to cover his tracks?
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We're asking ourselves
all these questions
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because they're not
finding the guy.
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Still, they were able to track
the phone calls.
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To Times Square,
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Madison Square Garden
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and Massapequa Park.
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So, there was finally
some solidity
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to the origins of this person.
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Once this information
was released,
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and you had
two zones of interest.
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Massapequa and Manhattan.
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We were asking ourselves,
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did this person
live in Massapequa
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and live some
quiet suburban life there?
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And did he commute
into Manhattan every day?
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We reported this
April 10th, 2011
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and asked the question,
"Did her murderer
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work in Midtown
and commute from Long Island?"
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00:21:01,738 --> 00:21:04,262
So, detectives now have
a general idea
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00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:07,700
of where the killer
traveled to and from,
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and then they learn more.
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Shortly after the bodies were
identified in January of 2011,
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police went to the home
of Amber Costello.
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One of the Gilgo Four.
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And they interviewed
her roommate, Dave Schaller.
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In the days leading up
to Amber's disappearance,
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Amber and Dave had been running
a ruse in the house
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where Amber
would invite a John over
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and Dave would bust out
in the middle of the meeting
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and pretend to be
an outraged boyfriend.
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00:21:43,258 --> 00:21:45,607
Thus scaring the John away.
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And then Amber
pockets the money.
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That's the ruse that they run
on a very particular client.
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The day before Amber disappears.
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On September 1st, 2010,
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this client
accesses her Backpage ad.
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00:22:00,841 --> 00:22:03,408
The investigators check
Amber's cell phone records
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00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:04,670
and see that a burner phone
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between Massapequa
and Amityville
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00:22:07,064 --> 00:22:09,762
contacts Amber Costello.
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00:22:09,763 --> 00:22:11,329
Not long after that,
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the burner phone
travels toward West Babylon,
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00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:16,335
where Amber Costello lives.
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00:22:21,731 --> 00:22:23,167
This client...
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shows up.
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He's in the house.
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00:22:31,567 --> 00:22:33,787
And apparently pays his money.
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00:22:35,005 --> 00:22:36,529
Dave busts out.
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Runs the client off.
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00:22:43,797 --> 00:22:46,973
And Amber pockets the money.
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00:22:46,974 --> 00:22:48,367
But this time...
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...the client continues
to contact her.
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He sends a text message.
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00:22:55,330 --> 00:22:56,896
"That was not so nice.
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Do I get credit for next time?"
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00:23:00,161 --> 00:23:02,684
Within two minutes
of that text being sent,
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00:23:02,685 --> 00:23:04,077
the cell site indicates that
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00:23:04,078 --> 00:23:06,384
the burner phone
is in Massapequa Park.
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00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:09,517
So the next night,
this same burner phone
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00:23:09,518 --> 00:23:11,737
pings in Midtown Manhattan.
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00:23:11,738 --> 00:23:14,304
Then it pings in Massapequa.
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00:23:14,305 --> 00:23:18,440
And then it ends up pinging
where Amber Costello lives.
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00:23:21,530 --> 00:23:25,533
The next night, Amber Costello
tells her roommate,
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Dave Schaller, that she's going
to see this same client.
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00:23:31,497 --> 00:23:35,544
And of course,
she never came back.
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00:23:38,068 --> 00:23:42,681
Schaller told police that
this client resembled an ogre,
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00:23:42,682 --> 00:23:45,901
and he was around
6'4" inches tall.
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00:23:45,902 --> 00:23:50,777
This guy was so relentless,
he called several times.
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00:23:51,734 --> 00:23:53,605
This is somebody
that I've seen.
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00:23:53,606 --> 00:23:56,869
I might be the one of the only
people who knows who he is.
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00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:59,959
He was described
as this hulking man
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who looked like an ogre.
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00:24:02,919 --> 00:24:06,793
He wore these sort of large
glasses. He had bushy hair.
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00:24:07,794 --> 00:24:10,796
Equally significant,
Schaller says
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00:24:10,797 --> 00:24:13,276
that he was driving
a unique vehicle.
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00:24:13,277 --> 00:24:17,107
A dark green, first-generation
Chevrolet Avalanche.
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00:24:21,677 --> 00:24:23,897
By the end of 2011...
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All within
the first year of the case.
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00:24:30,251 --> 00:24:33,646
Just think about what
the investigators already have.
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00:24:35,778 --> 00:24:37,824
A description of the killer.
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00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:42,392
The make and model of his car.
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00:24:42,393 --> 00:24:45,527
And a pretty good idea
of the area where he travels...
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Between Long Island
and Manhattan.
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00:24:49,183 --> 00:24:50,618
Penn Station.
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00:24:50,619 --> 00:24:52,881
Clearly,
he is very knowledgeable
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00:24:52,882 --> 00:24:55,668
about the Gilgo Beach area.
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00:24:57,365 --> 00:24:59,758
It's very deserted.
It's very desolate.
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00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:03,457
Which implies that
he either works in that area
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00:25:03,458 --> 00:25:06,504
or he lives in that area.
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00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:10,943
Investigators were actually
closer to targeting a suspect
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00:25:10,944 --> 00:25:12,554
than they ever had been.
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00:25:14,425 --> 00:25:16,078
So the obvious question is
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00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:18,559
why didn't investigators
take the next step?
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00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,258
Why does this case continue
to drag on for another decade?
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00:25:22,259 --> 00:25:25,045
And in that time, does the
killer become more emboldened?
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00:25:26,655 --> 00:25:30,397
Hunting and killing and stalking
without any fear of reprisal?
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00:25:30,398 --> 00:25:33,619
How many more women have to die
before he's caught?
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00:25:42,410 --> 00:25:44,454
These mothers, stepdads,
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00:25:44,455 --> 00:25:47,457
aunts and other relatives
gathered for a vigil
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00:25:47,458 --> 00:25:49,547
in remembrance
of three young women
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00:25:49,548 --> 00:25:54,030
whose remains were discovered
and identified in this area.
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00:25:57,077 --> 00:26:01,776
We have a lot of questions
that we want answers to.
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00:26:01,777 --> 00:26:03,082
You know who you are.
452
00:26:03,083 --> 00:26:05,346
You know what you did
to these women.
453
00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,435
Somebody out there
knows something.
454
00:26:08,436 --> 00:26:10,568
Somebody had seen something.
455
00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:12,570
Don't be afraid.
456
00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:14,615
You turn this person in,
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00:26:14,616 --> 00:26:18,011
you're gonna save
another human's life.
458
00:26:19,665 --> 00:26:21,666
You're a very weak man.
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00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:25,365
You prey on small,
innocent girls,
460
00:26:25,366 --> 00:26:27,194
and we're gonna get you.
461
00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:32,154
As the families
of the Gilgo Four
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00:26:32,155 --> 00:26:34,592
are gathering
for their daughters,
463
00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:39,205
something honestly
unbelievable happens.
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00:26:39,206 --> 00:26:41,642
Shannan's body's discovered.
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00:26:41,643 --> 00:26:45,254
The woman they've been looking
for, Shannan Gilbert.
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00:26:45,255 --> 00:26:49,607
Police believe they have
finally found her remains.
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00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:51,870
We believe that Shannan Gilbert
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00:26:51,871 --> 00:26:54,916
ran into that area
the night that she disappeared.
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00:26:54,917 --> 00:26:57,005
And looking at the terrain,
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00:26:57,006 --> 00:27:00,618
it's very easy
to get engulfed with water
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00:27:00,619 --> 00:27:04,273
and fall down and not be able
to get out of there.
472
00:27:04,274 --> 00:27:08,191
So we surmise that that's
what happened to Shannan.
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00:27:09,628 --> 00:27:12,673
Law enforcement said that
she had drowned.
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00:27:12,674 --> 00:27:15,981
But the official autopsy report
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00:27:15,982 --> 00:27:18,592
listed her death
as undetermined.
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00:27:18,593 --> 00:27:22,378
And I think even at one point,
said death by misadventure.
477
00:27:22,379 --> 00:27:24,946
It seemed to be victim blaming.
478
00:27:24,947 --> 00:27:27,645
And you have to ask yourself,
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00:27:27,646 --> 00:27:30,691
is it because
she was a sex worker?
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00:27:30,692 --> 00:27:34,390
These women were reportedly
prostitutes or escorts,
481
00:27:34,391 --> 00:27:38,003
and how does
that affect an investigation?
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00:27:38,004 --> 00:27:39,700
I'll be very frank about it.
483
00:27:39,701 --> 00:27:41,571
Will it get
the exact same amount
484
00:27:41,572 --> 00:27:43,138
of close attention and manpower
485
00:27:43,139 --> 00:27:46,098
that say a missing schoolteacher
in Central Park might get?
486
00:27:46,099 --> 00:27:47,882
The reality is they will not.
487
00:27:47,883 --> 00:27:50,669
Let's face it, they have sex
with strangers for money.
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00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:53,366
The subtle message that
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00:27:53,367 --> 00:27:54,628
was coming out during this time
490
00:27:54,629 --> 00:27:56,238
was like,
"If you don't wanna get killed,
491
00:27:56,239 --> 00:27:57,457
don't be a sex worker."
492
00:27:57,458 --> 00:28:00,242
They were all beautiful women.
493
00:28:00,243 --> 00:28:05,596
They weren't just prostitutes,
as everybody is saying.
494
00:28:06,815 --> 00:28:09,556
It's been spun
a lot of different ways.
495
00:28:09,557 --> 00:28:11,950
I don't care
what your occupation is,
496
00:28:11,951 --> 00:28:14,126
what your race,
religion, gender is.
497
00:28:14,127 --> 00:28:17,477
You're a victim of ours, we'll
give you everything we got.
498
00:28:17,478 --> 00:28:23,657
We are driven by a passion
to give victims closure.
499
00:28:23,658 --> 00:28:28,096
I can tell you the original
investigators had one goal.
500
00:28:28,097 --> 00:28:31,840
Bring the person who has killed
those women to justice.
501
00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:34,624
They're women.
502
00:28:34,625 --> 00:28:36,583
They're women
that were murdered.
503
00:28:36,584 --> 00:28:37,802
They're victims.
504
00:28:37,803 --> 00:28:41,022
But sometimes
these things take time.
505
00:28:41,023 --> 00:28:42,938
They're not done overnight.
506
00:28:45,724 --> 00:28:48,203
So law enforcement
has all of this information
507
00:28:48,204 --> 00:28:52,077
about these women
all the way back in 2011.
508
00:28:52,078 --> 00:28:55,036
And remember, they also had
solid information
509
00:28:55,037 --> 00:28:58,605
about the man who targeted
and killed them.
510
00:28:58,606 --> 00:29:01,739
Their profile told them
the killer was a big man,
511
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:02,957
kind of a recluse.
512
00:29:02,958 --> 00:29:05,264
Who either drove
a Chevy Avalanche
513
00:29:05,265 --> 00:29:07,527
or had access to one.
514
00:29:07,528 --> 00:29:10,138
He probably lived
in a middle-class community
515
00:29:10,139 --> 00:29:12,271
on Long Island.
516
00:29:12,272 --> 00:29:14,664
The man had a job.
517
00:29:14,665 --> 00:29:16,884
He likely commuted every day,
518
00:29:16,885 --> 00:29:19,408
like thousands of people
in Nassau County do
519
00:29:19,409 --> 00:29:20,715
every day to Manhattan.
520
00:29:21,890 --> 00:29:24,500
And then at the end of 2011,
521
00:29:24,501 --> 00:29:26,764
with all of this
forward momentum on the case,
522
00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:30,376
there was an election.
Which means new appointments.
523
00:29:30,377 --> 00:29:32,770
There was a changing
of the guard in Suffolk County,
524
00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:36,295
and a new
Chief of Police comes in.
525
00:29:36,296 --> 00:29:40,734
A guy named James Burke.
And everything changed.
526
00:29:40,735 --> 00:29:43,302
James Burke inherited
the Gilgo Beach case
527
00:29:43,303 --> 00:29:47,175
when he became Chief of
Suffolk County Police in 2012.
528
00:29:47,176 --> 00:29:49,874
Jimmy Burke
was a friend of mine.
529
00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:53,617
Jimmy was actually one of
the smartest men I've ever met.
530
00:29:54,531 --> 00:29:56,795
But he had these demons in him.
531
00:29:58,622 --> 00:30:00,188
Before he was appointed,
532
00:30:00,189 --> 00:30:01,929
an anonymous letter
was even written
533
00:30:01,930 --> 00:30:04,627
about this guy
warning Suffolk County
534
00:30:04,628 --> 00:30:07,674
not to appoint him
as Chief of Police.
535
00:30:07,675 --> 00:30:10,720
Burke's unquenchable taste
for prostitutes
536
00:30:10,721 --> 00:30:13,027
and his aggressive
sexual appetites,
537
00:30:13,028 --> 00:30:15,595
his presence
at swingers parties,
538
00:30:15,596 --> 00:30:17,510
those tales were not rare.
539
00:30:17,511 --> 00:30:20,643
But he seemed to be invincible
to scrutiny
540
00:30:20,644 --> 00:30:22,429
or discipline or punishment.
541
00:30:23,386 --> 00:30:24,952
Now he's taking over.
542
00:30:24,953 --> 00:30:27,041
He's the new sheriff in town.
543
00:30:27,042 --> 00:30:29,131
And he basically does
whatever he wants.
544
00:30:30,872 --> 00:30:34,005
James Burke decided
to remove several members
545
00:30:34,006 --> 00:30:36,094
from the task force
that were working
546
00:30:36,095 --> 00:30:37,618
to try and solve this case.
547
00:30:39,054 --> 00:30:40,838
He wanted his own regime.
548
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:42,796
He wanted to get rid of anyone
549
00:30:42,797 --> 00:30:45,320
who might have any competing
loyalties prior to him.
550
00:30:45,321 --> 00:30:48,497
There were the Chief of
Detectives, Dominick Varrone,
551
00:30:48,498 --> 00:30:49,890
who had 40 years on the job,
552
00:30:49,891 --> 00:30:52,675
had tremendous
institutional knowledge...
553
00:30:52,676 --> 00:30:56,941
was simply taken off the case.
He wasn't even debriefed.
554
00:30:56,942 --> 00:30:59,595
And then
there's Geraldine Hart,
555
00:30:59,596 --> 00:31:03,338
FBI Supervisory Agent
for Long Island.
556
00:31:03,339 --> 00:31:07,212
The Gilgo Beach investigation
is perhaps the most well-known
557
00:31:07,213 --> 00:31:10,868
and complex that this department
has ever undertaken.
558
00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:14,873
She was also removed from
the task force by James Burke.
559
00:31:16,091 --> 00:31:18,701
Why is that important?
It's important because
560
00:31:18,702 --> 00:31:20,660
the people
who had been investigating Gilgo
561
00:31:20,661 --> 00:31:24,490
up until that point
did not relay their findings
562
00:31:24,491 --> 00:31:27,493
to the next group
of Burke's personnel
563
00:31:27,494 --> 00:31:28,930
who would take up the case.
564
00:31:31,672 --> 00:31:35,849
Removing a partner like the FBI
who has vast resources,
565
00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:39,113
especially the forensic
capabilities that they had,
566
00:31:39,114 --> 00:31:43,379
tragically, it makes it harder
for this case to be solved.
567
00:31:45,686 --> 00:31:46,991
One of the theories at the time
568
00:31:46,992 --> 00:31:48,644
was simply
that the Suffolk Police
569
00:31:48,645 --> 00:31:50,342
wanted credit for cracking it,
570
00:31:50,343 --> 00:31:53,475
as opposed to
federal investigators.
571
00:31:53,476 --> 00:31:55,564
So perhaps a case of hubris.
572
00:31:55,565 --> 00:31:59,133
These are people encroaching
on our investigative territory.
573
00:31:59,134 --> 00:32:00,787
So let's keep them at bay.
574
00:32:00,788 --> 00:32:02,571
Once this case is solved,
575
00:32:02,572 --> 00:32:06,053
we want to be able to raise
the trophy for our department
576
00:32:06,054 --> 00:32:11,190
that will benefit Burke's career
and all those around him.
577
00:32:13,714 --> 00:32:17,718
It turns out, though, that's
not the reason why he did it.
578
00:32:20,721 --> 00:32:22,591
My name is Alexis Linkletter,
579
00:32:22,592 --> 00:32:24,593
and I am
an investigative journalist,
580
00:32:24,594 --> 00:32:29,033
podcaster,
and I'm from Long Island.
581
00:32:29,034 --> 00:32:34,734
This case essentially fell into
my lap between 2012 and 2013
582
00:32:34,735 --> 00:32:37,432
when Chris Loeb, a guy
I went to high school with,
583
00:32:37,433 --> 00:32:39,521
a guy I'd known
since seventh grade,
584
00:32:39,522 --> 00:32:45,136
essentially found himself at
the center of this insane story.
585
00:32:45,137 --> 00:32:46,876
After years of controversy
586
00:32:46,877 --> 00:32:49,053
surrounding guns
and a sex worker,
587
00:32:49,054 --> 00:32:52,535
the Suffolk County Police Chief
resigned today.
588
00:32:53,667 --> 00:32:55,798
James Burke was arrested
589
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:59,019
for the cover up of an assault
on a suspect, Chris Loeb.
590
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:02,457
Christopher Loeb of Smithtown,
was taken into custody
591
00:33:02,458 --> 00:33:04,982
for stealing belongings from
Burke's department-issued car,
592
00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:06,896
which was parked
outside his home.
593
00:33:06,897 --> 00:33:10,509
That wouldn't necessarily have
been particularly interesting,
594
00:33:10,510 --> 00:33:13,773
except for what was found
inside the duffel bag.
595
00:33:13,774 --> 00:33:19,953
Which was sex toys, pornography,
and other just strange items
596
00:33:19,954 --> 00:33:22,347
that you wouldn't expect
a Police Chief to have
597
00:33:22,348 --> 00:33:24,263
in his department-issued SUV.
598
00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:34,011
After this happened,
Chris is brought back
599
00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:36,665
to Suffolk County
Police Headquarters,
600
00:33:36,666 --> 00:33:38,667
and he's chained to a floor.
601
00:33:38,668 --> 00:33:40,321
He's beaten for hours.
602
00:33:40,322 --> 00:33:42,497
He's taunted by James Burke
603
00:33:42,498 --> 00:33:44,847
and several
of his subordinate officers.
604
00:33:44,848 --> 00:33:47,937
Burke has now pled guilty
to federal charges
605
00:33:47,938 --> 00:33:51,854
of assaulting a suspect
and conspiring to cover it up.
606
00:33:51,855 --> 00:33:54,379
This whole part of the story
is so extraordinary.
607
00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:57,164
One has to ask, how much
did the Burke scandal
608
00:33:57,165 --> 00:34:00,646
impact the Long Island
serial killer investigation?
609
00:34:00,647 --> 00:34:02,169
It has a huge impact because
610
00:34:02,170 --> 00:34:04,345
it happens
during this critical period,
611
00:34:04,346 --> 00:34:06,608
where the original Gilgo
investigation
612
00:34:06,609 --> 00:34:09,221
actually had made
some very good progress.
613
00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:13,833
Remember,
Suffolk County investigators
614
00:34:13,834 --> 00:34:16,096
had this profile of an ogre
615
00:34:16,097 --> 00:34:18,664
who lived somewhere
in Massapequa Park.
616
00:34:18,665 --> 00:34:21,668
Who works somewhere
in Midtown Manhattan.
617
00:34:22,712 --> 00:34:24,017
Who either once owned
618
00:34:24,018 --> 00:34:27,151
or still owns
a Chevy Avalanche.
619
00:34:27,152 --> 00:34:29,936
And because of this corruption
in the SCPD,
620
00:34:29,937 --> 00:34:34,115
he's been given this five-year
grace period to live his life.
621
00:34:35,899 --> 00:34:38,988
Did this person
continue to commit murder?
622
00:34:38,989 --> 00:34:41,817
What if they moved away
from Long Island?
623
00:34:41,818 --> 00:34:44,777
I had pretty much
given up hope at this point.
624
00:34:44,778 --> 00:34:48,911
Will investigators ever find
the Long Island serial killer?
625
00:35:03,797 --> 00:35:05,537
So, after James Burke is ousted
626
00:35:05,538 --> 00:35:08,931
as Suffolk County police chief
in 2015,
627
00:35:08,932 --> 00:35:11,717
the investigation into
the Long Island serial killer
628
00:35:11,718 --> 00:35:14,634
pretty much slows to a crawl
for the next three years.
629
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,685
But in the spring of 2018,
the Suffolk County Executive
630
00:35:23,686 --> 00:35:28,429
selected Geraldine Hart
as the Police Commissioner.
631
00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:29,996
Ironically, Geraldine Hart
632
00:35:29,997 --> 00:35:32,825
was a former
FBI Supervisory Agent
633
00:35:32,826 --> 00:35:35,915
for Long Island who was actually
removed from the Task Force
634
00:35:35,916 --> 00:35:38,527
originally by then
Police Chief James Burke.
635
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,312
All of a sudden, we hear
636
00:35:41,313 --> 00:35:43,401
there's going to be
a press conference
637
00:35:43,402 --> 00:35:47,536
about this piece of evidence
never seen before.
638
00:35:49,799 --> 00:35:51,148
I would first like to introduce
639
00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:52,888
Suffolk County
Police Commissioner
640
00:35:52,889 --> 00:35:54,586
Geraldine Hart.
641
00:35:54,587 --> 00:35:58,590
Today we are releasing
a significant piece of evidence
642
00:35:58,591 --> 00:36:02,898
found at one of the crime
scenes along Ocean Parkway.
643
00:36:02,899 --> 00:36:05,163
A black leather belt.
644
00:36:06,773 --> 00:36:12,778
Embossed with the letters
HM or WH was recovered
645
00:36:12,779 --> 00:36:16,869
during the initial stages
of this investigation.
646
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:23,789
We believe that the belt
was handled by the suspect
647
00:36:23,790 --> 00:36:28,663
and did not belong
to any of the victims.
648
00:36:28,664 --> 00:36:30,578
There have long been questions.
649
00:36:30,579 --> 00:36:32,928
What size is the waist
of the belt?
650
00:36:32,929 --> 00:36:36,367
It wasn't long after
that the police release a video
651
00:36:36,368 --> 00:36:39,109
of Megan Waterman,
one of the Gilgo Four.
652
00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:41,981
Megan Waterman is last seen
653
00:36:41,982 --> 00:36:45,854
leaving the Holiday Inn Express
in Hauppauge, Long Island.
654
00:36:45,855 --> 00:36:48,161
She's in the lobby at the desk.
655
00:36:48,162 --> 00:36:51,382
And then she just walks out
that door.
656
00:36:51,383 --> 00:36:52,732
And vanishes.
657
00:36:54,995 --> 00:36:57,953
At this point,
there is now a steady
658
00:36:57,954 --> 00:37:00,826
dispersal of new evidence
from the new regime
659
00:37:00,827 --> 00:37:03,568
in Suffolk County
police headquarters.
660
00:37:03,569 --> 00:37:06,135
They created enough momentum
at this point
661
00:37:06,136 --> 00:37:09,618
to start to spur some questions
if they were closing in.
662
00:37:11,533 --> 00:37:13,230
Did they have a suspect?
663
00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:17,844
Are they releasing these items
to perhaps get a reaction...
664
00:37:18,932 --> 00:37:21,412
from the person
who's on their radar?
665
00:37:21,413 --> 00:37:23,109
There was this big rev up
666
00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:26,373
which really made us feel like
they were about to solve it.
667
00:37:26,374 --> 00:37:30,769
But then,
it just dropped off again.
668
00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:32,728
And it was quiet again.
669
00:37:38,473 --> 00:37:42,563
With a serial killer like this,
the thrill is in the kill.
670
00:37:42,564 --> 00:37:45,914
What really drives him
is not sex
671
00:37:45,915 --> 00:37:49,354
but rather the power
over another human being.
672
00:37:58,972 --> 00:38:03,758
But it's not really until 2022
when everything changed.
673
00:38:03,759 --> 00:38:05,238
You have Ray Tierney
674
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,372
that's elected
as a District Attorney.
675
00:38:08,373 --> 00:38:11,853
One of the first things that
Ray Tierney said to me was:
676
00:38:11,854 --> 00:38:16,118
"I wanna work with the sheriff's
office on every case possible,
677
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:18,033
including Gilgo.
678
00:38:18,034 --> 00:38:19,818
And then a few months later,
679
00:38:19,819 --> 00:38:22,342
Rodney Harrison is now selected
as the Police Commissioner.
680
00:38:22,343 --> 00:38:27,086
Rodney Harrison's career with
the NYPD leads to a new role
681
00:38:27,087 --> 00:38:28,957
as he steps in
as the commissioner
682
00:38:28,958 --> 00:38:31,308
of the Suffolk County
Police Department.
683
00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:34,006
This is
a bittersweet moment for me.
684
00:38:34,007 --> 00:38:37,009
Rodney Harrison,
who is a former chief of police
685
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:38,532
with the New York City
Police Department,
686
00:38:38,533 --> 00:38:40,360
was also chief of detectives.
687
00:38:40,361 --> 00:38:43,581
A wealth of experience
when it comes to investigations.
688
00:38:43,582 --> 00:38:45,323
He came into this building...
689
00:38:46,976 --> 00:38:50,588
And said to me,
he met with my staff, he goes:
690
00:38:50,589 --> 00:38:53,242
"We're gonna work
collaboratively on everything,
691
00:38:53,243 --> 00:38:56,333
and there's not gonna be
any silos."
692
00:38:56,334 --> 00:39:02,688
We will not rest until we bring
those accountable to justice.
693
00:39:04,385 --> 00:39:07,474
That solving this serial case
694
00:39:07,475 --> 00:39:09,390
is gonna be
very, very important to me.
695
00:39:11,914 --> 00:39:13,915
He announced the creation
of a task force
696
00:39:13,916 --> 00:39:16,310
dedicated solely
to the Gilgo case.
697
00:39:21,533 --> 00:39:23,925
And he used language
that we had not heard
698
00:39:23,926 --> 00:39:27,016
in a very long time.
699
00:39:29,889 --> 00:39:32,194
Now remember,
the early investigation
700
00:39:32,195 --> 00:39:34,675
turned up a lot of clues.
701
00:39:34,676 --> 00:39:36,373
There was a lot of meat
on the bone.
702
00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:39,201
Now, he's doing the legwork.
It's a puzzle.
703
00:39:39,202 --> 00:39:40,899
You're putting pieces in,
704
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:43,076
and at the end,
you assemble a puzzle.
705
00:39:44,338 --> 00:39:46,078
About a year
after they found the bodies,
706
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,559
Suffolk County PD
had two specific areas
707
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,519
that were of great interest
to them.
708
00:39:54,566 --> 00:39:58,525
Cell data traced the killer's
calls to New York City.
709
00:39:58,526 --> 00:40:02,181
And also to Massapequa Park
in Long Island.
710
00:40:02,182 --> 00:40:05,576
Now, the task force
and the FBI reexamined
711
00:40:05,577 --> 00:40:08,318
the cell phone data
from the time of the murders.
712
00:40:09,798 --> 00:40:12,887
There's an area of a confluence
of cell phone towers,
713
00:40:12,888 --> 00:40:14,586
and that was mapped out.
714
00:40:17,066 --> 00:40:18,590
They called it the box.
715
00:40:21,549 --> 00:40:24,986
One box was in Massapequa
on Long Island,
716
00:40:24,987 --> 00:40:27,381
and one box was in Manhattan.
717
00:40:28,513 --> 00:40:31,253
Somewhere in this area,
it's a possibility
718
00:40:31,254 --> 00:40:35,041
that the killer lived
within Massapequa's box.
719
00:40:38,131 --> 00:40:41,003
But so did 500 other families.
720
00:40:43,484 --> 00:40:46,138
But it's not as if
police didn't have
721
00:40:46,139 --> 00:40:48,315
some very specific clues
to work with.
722
00:40:50,839 --> 00:40:55,321
Back in 2010, Amber Costello's
roommate, David Schaller,
723
00:40:55,322 --> 00:40:57,323
had given investigators
a description
724
00:40:57,324 --> 00:40:59,413
of both the suspect
and his vehicle.
725
00:41:00,762 --> 00:41:03,938
Dave Schaller remembered
this hulking man
726
00:41:03,939 --> 00:41:07,594
that came into the house
on September 1st, 2010
727
00:41:07,595 --> 00:41:09,291
who looked like an ogre.
728
00:41:11,425 --> 00:41:15,733
He was described as being
between 6-foot-4 and 6-foot-6.
729
00:41:15,734 --> 00:41:18,475
And then when he ran out of that
house, the vehicle was seen.
730
00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:22,000
And apparently, this vehicle
was a first generation
731
00:41:22,001 --> 00:41:23,698
dark green Chevy Avalanche.
732
00:41:25,047 --> 00:41:27,571
It was an unusual vehicle.
733
00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:29,703
I don't wanna Monday morning
quarterback anyone.
734
00:41:29,704 --> 00:41:33,403
But if I get
a specific vehicle...
735
00:41:34,796 --> 00:41:38,669
without a plate, what we do
is we'll run a search.
736
00:41:38,670 --> 00:41:42,020
So the state police
plug that Avalanche in,
737
00:41:42,021 --> 00:41:44,588
and they give you
every Avalanche that color
738
00:41:44,589 --> 00:41:48,288
in Massapequa, Nassau County,
whatever you give them,
739
00:41:49,376 --> 00:41:53,075
and they'll give you
all those cars.
740
00:41:56,165 --> 00:41:59,560
So police conduct a search
for that particular vehicle.
741
00:42:00,692 --> 00:42:04,564
They overlay it
in that zone of interest
742
00:42:04,565 --> 00:42:06,654
in Massapequa.
743
00:42:08,003 --> 00:42:09,527
And they get a hit.
744
00:42:18,144 --> 00:42:20,624
In March of 2022,
745
00:42:20,625 --> 00:42:23,323
for the first time since 2010,
746
00:42:24,585 --> 00:42:27,892
13 years after the Gilgo Four
were discovered,
747
00:42:27,893 --> 00:42:30,242
Police have a name.
748
00:42:30,243 --> 00:42:32,593
And they now have a suspect.
749
00:42:33,768 --> 00:42:34,986
And what's the best way
750
00:42:34,987 --> 00:42:36,554
to confirm that he's the man?
751
00:42:37,946 --> 00:42:39,252
DNA.
752
00:42:41,950 --> 00:42:46,824
In 2010,
investigators found five hairs
753
00:42:46,825 --> 00:42:49,522
on three of the victims.
754
00:42:49,523 --> 00:42:52,177
Because the bodies
were exposed to the elements,
755
00:42:52,178 --> 00:42:54,180
those hairs were degraded.
756
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,224
So you couldn't use
757
00:42:56,225 --> 00:42:58,750
traditional DNA analysis on them.
758
00:43:00,229 --> 00:43:04,406
At the time, investigators
could only determine that
759
00:43:04,407 --> 00:43:07,148
four of the hairs were female,
one was male,
760
00:43:07,149 --> 00:43:09,411
and they were all Caucasian.
761
00:43:09,412 --> 00:43:12,806
In 2010, the technology
was not advanced enough
762
00:43:12,807 --> 00:43:16,070
to identify whose DNA
was on those hairs.
763
00:43:16,071 --> 00:43:20,466
But by 2022, DNA technology
had finally advanced enough
764
00:43:20,467 --> 00:43:24,863
where investigators could pull
a profile from the hairs.
765
00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:27,473
The problem, however,
766
00:43:27,474 --> 00:43:29,910
was the suspect
had never been arrested.
767
00:43:29,911 --> 00:43:32,347
And so,
if the suspect has never had
768
00:43:32,348 --> 00:43:34,132
any interaction
with law enforcement,
769
00:43:34,133 --> 00:43:39,051
his fingerprints or any DNA
has never been in our system.
770
00:43:42,141 --> 00:43:44,316
So, once they had a target,
771
00:43:44,317 --> 00:43:47,145
they went
after collecting family DNA.
772
00:43:47,146 --> 00:43:49,321
One of the things
that you have to think about
773
00:43:49,322 --> 00:43:51,976
when you're surveilling someone
and you need DNA, you know,
774
00:43:51,977 --> 00:43:54,979
you wanna get
a DNA that's discarded.
775
00:43:54,980 --> 00:43:57,895
But to get the samples,
you have to get creative.
776
00:43:57,896 --> 00:44:02,029
First, investigators pose
as sanitation workers,
777
00:44:02,030 --> 00:44:03,509
and show up at the house,
778
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:06,904
and start collecting bottles
outside the home,
779
00:44:06,905 --> 00:44:09,081
and they do DNA swabs.
780
00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:12,387
Then one day, the suspect
781
00:44:12,388 --> 00:44:14,389
walks out
of his Manhattan office,
782
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:16,348
and he's holding a pizza box,
783
00:44:16,349 --> 00:44:19,873
and he throws it
in the garbage can.
784
00:44:19,874 --> 00:44:21,788
The investigators
take the box out,
785
00:44:21,789 --> 00:44:24,661
and they swab the pizza crust
and the napkin,
786
00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:27,316
and they send that
to the crime lab.
787
00:44:30,406 --> 00:44:34,758
It was very important to connect
that pizza crust, or that DNA
788
00:44:34,759 --> 00:44:36,324
to the DNA at the crime scene
789
00:44:36,325 --> 00:44:39,807
to conclusively link
the suspect to the crimes.
790
00:44:42,854 --> 00:44:45,290
As they're waiting
for the results to come back,
791
00:44:45,291 --> 00:44:47,161
subpoenas are issued,
792
00:44:47,162 --> 00:44:50,774
and they're searching his
personal cell phone records.
793
00:44:50,775 --> 00:44:52,514
They're trying
to connect the dots
794
00:44:52,515 --> 00:44:55,910
between his regular cell phone
and the burner phones.
795
00:44:57,738 --> 00:45:01,959
We executed over 300 subpoenas,
search warrants
796
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,743
pertaining to this individual.
797
00:45:03,744 --> 00:45:05,179
We were able to identify
798
00:45:05,180 --> 00:45:08,226
seven separate burner phones
that he used.
799
00:45:08,227 --> 00:45:11,011
We compared
his personal cell site records.
800
00:45:11,012 --> 00:45:15,015
If the personal phone
would bounce off a cell tower,
801
00:45:15,016 --> 00:45:18,584
it was always consistent
and in close proximity
802
00:45:18,585 --> 00:45:20,282
with the target phones.
803
00:45:22,415 --> 00:45:25,156
All this occurs
over the course of a year.
804
00:45:25,157 --> 00:45:27,941
Investigators now have
cell phone data
805
00:45:27,942 --> 00:45:31,815
that puts burner phones,
and the suspect's cell phone,
806
00:45:31,816 --> 00:45:34,556
and some of the victims'
phones together.
807
00:45:34,557 --> 00:45:36,777
And then the DNA results
come back.
808
00:45:37,952 --> 00:45:40,607
And they have enough
to make an arrest.
809
00:45:45,917 --> 00:45:49,397
So now, it's time
to close in on him.
810
00:45:49,398 --> 00:45:52,487
At least 10 investigators
from the Gilgo Beach Task Force
811
00:45:52,488 --> 00:45:55,839
who've been watching this guy
for the last year
812
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,928
are in position
outside the suspect's office
813
00:45:57,929 --> 00:46:01,280
in midtown Manhattan,
ready to move in.
814
00:46:02,063 --> 00:46:04,979
And finally, here he comes.
815
00:46:09,592 --> 00:46:11,943
They box him in
so he can't escape.
816
00:46:17,426 --> 00:46:19,514
After nearly 13 years.
817
00:46:19,515 --> 00:46:21,734
After all of the turmoil
818
00:46:21,735 --> 00:46:24,345
in the Suffolk County
Police Department.
819
00:46:24,346 --> 00:46:29,960
And now, this moment of
redemption in the investigation.
820
00:46:29,961 --> 00:46:36,749
This architect,
father, stepfather, husband,
821
00:46:36,750 --> 00:46:40,232
is arrested as the Gilgo
Beach serial killer...
822
00:46:41,842 --> 00:46:45,585
whose name we learned
is Rex Heuermann.
823
00:46:55,421 --> 00:46:58,727
We wanna begin right now with
breaking news out of New York.
824
00:46:58,728 --> 00:47:01,730
A major development
in a long unsolved case
825
00:47:01,731 --> 00:47:03,863
is revealed by investigators.
826
00:47:03,864 --> 00:47:08,173
Police have arrested a suspect
in the murders on Gilgo Beach.
827
00:47:09,391 --> 00:47:11,218
After 13 years,
828
00:47:11,219 --> 00:47:14,178
this bombshell drops
out of seemingly nowhere,
829
00:47:14,179 --> 00:47:17,050
and it just cracks the case
wide open.
830
00:47:17,051 --> 00:47:20,793
You can see the suspect
walking down Fifth Avenue
831
00:47:20,794 --> 00:47:24,101
when a group of agents
swoop in and make the arrest.
832
00:47:24,102 --> 00:47:27,408
They corner him
so he can't escape.
833
00:47:27,409 --> 00:47:29,541
Charged with killing
three women,
834
00:47:29,542 --> 00:47:32,370
Rex Heuermann
is also the primary suspect
835
00:47:32,371 --> 00:47:35,286
in the death of a fourth.
836
00:47:35,287 --> 00:47:37,070
I remember thinking, "Oh, shit.
837
00:47:37,071 --> 00:47:40,205
Who would've suspected that
that guy was the killer?"
838
00:47:43,121 --> 00:47:45,339
The old thing:
"It's right under your nose."
839
00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:48,735
It's right in front of you.
You can't see it sometimes.
840
00:47:49,779 --> 00:47:52,259
So the Nassau County
Police Academy,
841
00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:56,438
which has the Intel Center at
the time, was on Second Avenue.
842
00:47:58,005 --> 00:48:00,833
We were two blocks
from the actual house,
843
00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:03,357
literally around the corner.
844
00:48:03,358 --> 00:48:06,666
It's like, "Jeez, I passed
that block a thousand times.
845
00:48:09,321 --> 00:48:10,843
I worked out of that building.
846
00:48:10,844 --> 00:48:14,282
I drove past it a dozen times,
you know, easily.
847
00:48:19,244 --> 00:48:22,943
The fact that he was the devil
that walked amongst us...
848
00:48:24,249 --> 00:48:25,684
He made you scratch your head,
849
00:48:25,685 --> 00:48:27,468
like,
"Wow, how did this happen?"
850
00:48:27,469 --> 00:48:31,081
Because he basically was the
person that lived next door.
851
00:48:31,082 --> 00:48:33,910
It doesn't take long to figure
out a serial killer is gonna be
852
00:48:33,911 --> 00:48:36,435
the front page of
the New York Post that day.
853
00:48:37,436 --> 00:48:39,524
It's the perfect tabloid story.
854
00:48:39,525 --> 00:48:41,265
Who is Rex Heuermann?
855
00:48:41,266 --> 00:48:43,745
What's his family situation
like? What's his background?
856
00:48:43,746 --> 00:48:46,400
Rex Heuermann,
a longtime resident
857
00:48:46,401 --> 00:48:48,925
of Massapequa Park,
Long Island.
858
00:48:48,926 --> 00:48:50,578
A 59 year-old architect
859
00:48:50,579 --> 00:48:53,494
who's also
a husband and a father.
860
00:48:53,495 --> 00:48:58,021
Rex Heuermann is a demon
that walks among us.
861
00:48:58,022 --> 00:49:00,981
A predator that ruined families.
862
00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:04,505
At the exact same time,
863
00:49:04,506 --> 00:49:06,855
there is a media circus
at the courthouse.
864
00:49:06,856 --> 00:49:09,641
There's a media circus breaking
out in front of his house.
865
00:49:09,642 --> 00:49:13,688
Residents of Massapequa Park
were shocked to discover
866
00:49:13,689 --> 00:49:17,431
that Rex Heuermann had been
living just a few houses away.
867
00:49:17,432 --> 00:49:19,477
To know that something
like this is going on,
868
00:49:19,478 --> 00:49:23,177
or someone is living 'em
in this community, it's crazy.
869
00:49:24,787 --> 00:49:28,312
We're scrambling to get
any information we can.
870
00:49:28,313 --> 00:49:30,445
Who is this guy?
What's his background?
871
00:49:31,490 --> 00:49:33,882
Shocking.
You know, it's scary, too.
872
00:49:33,883 --> 00:49:36,973
The rest of the houses
in this neighborhood
873
00:49:36,974 --> 00:49:39,236
are middle-class homes.
874
00:49:39,237 --> 00:49:42,282
His looks more like
a house of horrors,
875
00:49:42,283 --> 00:49:43,631
and he's an architect.
876
00:49:43,632 --> 00:49:45,416
Neighbors told us
that they wouldn't let
877
00:49:45,417 --> 00:49:48,201
their kids trick or treat
at that particular house.
878
00:49:48,202 --> 00:49:51,117
The guy was odd.
I kept him at arm's length
879
00:49:51,118 --> 00:49:53,599
because I really didn't
wanna be close to him.
880
00:49:55,166 --> 00:49:56,644
This is the house that police
881
00:49:56,645 --> 00:49:58,255
have been swarming
this morning,
882
00:49:58,256 --> 00:50:00,561
105 First Avenue
in Massapequa Park.
883
00:50:00,562 --> 00:50:03,825
Using heavy equipment
and forensic K-9 units,
884
00:50:03,826 --> 00:50:06,263
police combed through
the home's backyard.
885
00:50:06,264 --> 00:50:09,092
Officers in hazmat suits
going into the house.
886
00:50:09,093 --> 00:50:11,442
So clearly,
they're in there to do
887
00:50:11,443 --> 00:50:13,922
some sort of forensic activity.
888
00:50:13,923 --> 00:50:16,577
Police are looking into
whether the victims
889
00:50:16,578 --> 00:50:18,362
were ever inside the residence.
890
00:50:18,363 --> 00:50:21,887
Authorities uncovered
more than 200 firearms
891
00:50:21,888 --> 00:50:24,107
in a vault
located in the basement
892
00:50:24,108 --> 00:50:25,891
of Rex Heuermann's home.
893
00:50:25,892 --> 00:50:28,372
It was a big gun vault.
It was a huge gun vault.
894
00:50:28,373 --> 00:50:30,243
The guy had 300 guns
in his house.
895
00:50:30,244 --> 00:50:34,508
The neighbor was describing it
as a soundproof locked room.
896
00:50:34,509 --> 00:50:38,643
Years ago, I've seen
a bunch of guys carrying this
897
00:50:38,644 --> 00:50:41,341
incredibly heavy object
in there.
898
00:50:41,342 --> 00:50:43,256
And I said,
"Wow, that's heavy rocks."
899
00:50:43,257 --> 00:50:45,867
And he said it was an iron door
for the basement.
900
00:50:45,868 --> 00:50:48,957
The whole speculation is
he's butchering these people
901
00:50:48,958 --> 00:50:51,090
in his own basement.
902
00:50:51,091 --> 00:50:52,787
That he had a killing vault.
903
00:50:52,788 --> 00:50:55,703
We have obtained
a massive amount of evidence,
904
00:50:55,704 --> 00:50:57,531
as well as trace evidence,
905
00:50:57,532 --> 00:51:00,708
including blood, DNA,
and hair fibers.
906
00:51:00,709 --> 00:51:03,233
It's not like TV.
It's going to be a while
907
00:51:03,234 --> 00:51:06,237
for the analysts
to do their job.
908
00:51:09,327 --> 00:51:14,635
Remember, these crimes weren't
committed at Gilgo Beach.
909
00:51:14,636 --> 00:51:16,333
So the question is,
910
00:51:16,334 --> 00:51:20,119
did Heuermann commit
these crimes in his house?
911
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,469
Did the family
know about his actions?
912
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:25,255
And are they
assisting investigators?
913
00:51:25,256 --> 00:51:27,735
As this unfolds,
we'll learn more information
914
00:51:27,736 --> 00:51:29,520
about what the family knew.
915
00:51:29,521 --> 00:51:31,739
The idea that the wife
didn't know anything
916
00:51:31,740 --> 00:51:34,829
about what he was doing
is hard to believe.
917
00:51:34,830 --> 00:51:37,528
The most mysterious figure
in this whole thing
918
00:51:37,529 --> 00:51:40,879
is Asa, Rex's wife.
919
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,968
Because we don't know
what her role is,
920
00:51:42,969 --> 00:51:44,709
what her motivation is.
921
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:48,191
Nobody's opinion is
that they have a bead on Asa,
922
00:51:48,192 --> 00:51:49,844
on whether
she was involved or not.
923
00:51:49,845 --> 00:51:51,629
It's kind of like
a big question mark,
924
00:51:51,630 --> 00:51:55,415
because Asa has not talked
to any of us.
925
00:51:55,416 --> 00:51:57,113
We can only speculate.
926
00:51:57,114 --> 00:52:02,248
As the days tick by, the other
reporters were desperately
927
00:52:02,249 --> 00:52:06,426
trying to report this story,
and find her and talk to her.
928
00:52:06,427 --> 00:52:08,298
But it was like a black hole.
929
00:53:02,353 --> 00:53:04,398
How could you not know?
930
00:53:05,399 --> 00:53:06,834
How could you not know
931
00:53:06,835 --> 00:53:09,272
that your husband
was a serial killer?
932
00:53:09,273 --> 00:53:12,753
Known what?
My husband was home here.
933
00:53:12,754 --> 00:53:15,060
He's a family man.
934
00:53:15,061 --> 00:53:17,584
They're telling me
that he's been soliciting sex
935
00:53:17,585 --> 00:53:19,064
from sex workers. What?
936
00:53:19,065 --> 00:53:20,631
I don't have sex
with my husband?
937
00:53:20,632 --> 00:53:22,721
I don't satisfy him.
938
00:53:25,811 --> 00:53:28,596
He comes home
and eats my dinner.
939
00:53:30,424 --> 00:53:31,730
It's not good enough?
940
00:53:37,953 --> 00:53:39,432
No, it's...
941
00:53:39,433 --> 00:53:41,783
I don't believe
my husband did this.
78923
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