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Ladies and gentlemen, you are about to
behold a sight so strange, so
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so utterly monstrous, that I urge those
of you who are easily frightened or
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upset, who suffer from nervous
disarmament, weak hearts or queasy
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experience nightmares, and any children
under the age of 16 years to forego
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witnessing this exhibit.
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This is a wonderful world of
exploitation film.
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I was in the exploitation film business.
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I was there. I saw what was happening
and I took advantage of it.
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Between Dan and Dave, there's a whole
world and realm of different
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films. There wasn't any master plan, any
scheme or anything else. I'm not that
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smart.
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I wasn't as good as Dave at it, but I
was a businessman.
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I knew if you made three quarters, you
could save one quarter.
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They're not the kind of films that you
will see today or even fathom were being
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made. Sometimes watching them, you have
to even wonder if they were made on the
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planet Earth.
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You remember Jack Fleck?
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Oh, sure. He had the theater in Anaheim.
Yeah, yeah.
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Uh -huh.
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You remember that guy, Jim Ginopoulos?
Oh, sure.
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He finally died.
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Yeah.
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He was an honorary old bastard.
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Well, Tom Dalby.
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used to tell me that you and your dad
would get into a town somewhere up in
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Montana or somewhere, and he'd put up a
little tent, and you all would sleep in
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the tent that night rather than having
to take a ride. Tom Dolby, he never was
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on the road. No, but I said he was
telling me these stories about you and
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dad. Oh, no, he never. That's a bunch of
shit, too. Oh, okay. You always talk to
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a bullshitter.
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Tom Dobby was no bullshitter. He was my
manager on Main Street. Oh, shit.
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You think I don't remember? Well, I know
it, but you're making a liar out of a
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good guy.
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Well, I am telling you what he told me,
Dan. Oh, bullshit. I don't believe that
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either. You just said I got a memory
like a steel trap. You got a liar like a
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shit trap.
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Son of a bitch.
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He lies like hell.
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My father and mother came from Italy
about...
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When they were about 19, they were
married real young.
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And my dad started working in the coal
mine in a little town named Tono,
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Washington. My dad was strong enough to
load up twice as much coal as any other
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man. He loaded up 33 tons of coal in one
eight -hour day.
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I have a certificate from his boss that
says that.
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And so it got around that my dad was a
super strong man.
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They heard about my dad, so they wanted
to make a policeman out of him. He
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cleaned up that town real fast.
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And then in the headlines that came out,
Roy Gardner, the smiling mail train
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bandit, escaped from jail.
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And my dad had a picture of him. And my
dad was on his beat walking.
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And then another man was walking.
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towards my dad, across from him, and he
was all bandaged up. His hands was
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bandaged, his face was bandaged, and he
had a suit on.
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So my dad looked at him, and he followed
him to the hotel, went up to the room,
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knocked on the door, and he says, I
think you're Roy Gardner.
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He knocked the gun out of my dad's hand,
but he didn't know how strong my dad
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was. See, my dad was like a superman.
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So my dad got him down.
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and hit him on the head with a billy
club and put handcuffs on him. He got a
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,000 reward.
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There was a theater man.
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He had a camera, a motion picture
camera.
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So he says, you know, Mr. Sonny, he
says, you know, you're very popular. You
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should go in the show business.
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And he says, I'd like to make a motion
picture of you and react to capture.
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My dad says, okay, let's go.
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Good luck, Gardner.
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Hope to never see you again. I hope that
I never come back again.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Well, goodbye, Roy.
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Good luck.
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Thanks to you. I hope that I never see
you again. Well, the same to you.
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How are you?
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Mr. Sonny, I don't know how to begin to
thank you for what you've done for me.
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And I'll do everything humanly possible
to justify the confidence you have
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placed in me.
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I say it's a hard way.
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Now, I want to again become a respected
citizen.
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I hope I may, and I know I will.
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So that's how we went in show business.
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And my dad started going on a road, a
pantagious vaudeville circuit.
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A man had captured Roy Gardner. You see,
Roy Gardner's name in them days was
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like Dillinger. And then he'd stand
outside of the theater.
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And then he would say, shake hands.
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What do you mean, shake hands?
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He's real fast on handcuffs.
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It was a tough life. That road stuff
wasn't good at all.
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I hated that when I used to be on the
road.
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I used to go to Billings, Montana,
Missoula, Montana.
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You'd carry the can of film. You'd go
put window cards out to advertise.
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You'd put your displays out.
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And it was just terrible.
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He was showing someplace on Spring
Street or Main Street in Los Angeles,
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Dwayne Esper was showing in another
theater down the street about three or
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blocks. My dad was showing one of his
prison pictures and not doing much
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business at all, and Dwayne Esper had a
lineup second to none.
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My dad walked down there and said, what
the hell is this guy selling? He was
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selling sex, you know.
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Seven Commandments don't screw around
screwing somebody else's wife.
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My dad never knew nothing about that. He
used to handcuff people.
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Anyway, he got out of the criminal
business and went into the sex business.
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Let's put it that way.
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Then later on, they made a picture
maniac.
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And then that's how we got into the
exploitation business.
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What was in that pipe?
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In Maniac's case, they tried to just
shock you with horror elements, and it
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not successful until Louis Sonny changed
the title to Sex Maniac. Hey, you know,
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then big difference. Then it became very
successful. It's a wonderfully
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sleazy...
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creepy kind of film because it operated,
you know, completely out of the laws of
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the other horror films of the 30s. I
mean, it bears nothing to do with the
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Universal films or any of the films that
were going on. They were showing a
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beating heart in a jar, you know, a guy
plucking a cat's eyeball out and then
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eating it. I mean, this is something
that's so far beyond what you would
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So it's a very odd, exhilarating,
incomprehensible film, but it works
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because you're sitting there shaking
your head today saying, I have not seen
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something like this.
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You know the greatest thing Dan Sonny
ever taught me?
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A movie is like a flower sack.
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No matter how many times you shake it, a
little more flower still comes out.
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That's right. And if you don't, then you
change the title to get some more
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flower in there.
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You just keep changing the title until
you get more flour.
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What the idea was, was to attract people
to your film by showing them something
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taboo, something forbidden, something
that you couldn't see in the average
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Hollywood film. Well, it shows that if a
girl does something wrong, she'll get
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pregnant or go to jail or things like
that.
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Mostly get pregnant if they do something
wrong.
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Now, mind you, they had to package it so
it all looked like these were very
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moral films. You know, it's the old
canard about we're going to preach
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here by showing you all the sin.
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And that was the shell game involved,
and that's the fun of them. I think both
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of those words fit in together as far as
I'm concerned. Education and
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exploitation is good because it makes
the people come in to see and get
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educated on exploitation.
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Adults only.
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I thought I was doing good.
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Alcoholism, birth,
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venereal disease, roadhouses,
miscegenation, prostitution, any of the
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subjects were fair game for the
exploiteer just as long as it was in bad
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If it was liquor, liquor leads to sex.
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Gambling, gambling leads to sex.
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Drugs, drugs leads to sex.
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And sex leads to, usually sex leads to
more sex, which in the roadshow films
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usually the whorehouse.
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You know, I mean, that was the favorite
destination for a bad girl is the
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whorehouse. Here we are, honey.
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Oh, uh, girls, this is Judy.
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Hello.
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You're going to like the girls here,
Judy.
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We're all just one big happy family.
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Come on.
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There's a nice new kimono.
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Get into it.
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Then have a bite of supper and be ready
to go to work.
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Work? What kind of a place is this
anyway?
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But there was always in every one of
them, at the beginning of the picture,
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we call the square -up.
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And this was a crawl that rolled.
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Well, for example, with Child Bride.
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Now listen, Jenny.
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I'm going to be your husband.
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And you want to be nice to me because if
you don't, you know what will happen to
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your mama.
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Do you understand?
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Yes. All right, now take this.
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Go on, go on, take it.
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We show this picture not in any...
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attempt to exploit the evils of child
marriage as it exists in the mountains
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Appalachia, but to hope through the
showing of this picture that the public
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be educated and that this vast evil will
be stamped out.
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Sincerely, the producers.
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No, you just changed that.
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Prostitution, alcoholism, dope, you
know, you just inserted whatever the
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was.
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What I did, they had a burlesque theater
downtown.
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I would go down there and make a deal
with the stage manager and the burlesque
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people, and we'd shoot the whole show,
and that would be my burlesque show.
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And I took that on the road years ago,
and I'd start playing midnight shows
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and do a hell of a business.
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Well, I made one with Lily Sincere.
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And the name of that was Love Moods.
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See, she got out of the bathtub, and
what she did was put on clothes.
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See, she got out of the bathtub in a
nude.
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We gave her, I think for one day, we
gave her $5 ,000.
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But don't forget, $5 ,000 them days was
like $50 ,000 as now.
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It was a good, safe way of showing naked
women, or partially naked women.
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And still skirting the issues of sex
and, you know, the forbidden...
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You
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can't discuss forbidden adventure
lightly. You just have to take a deep
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It's hard to... You know, we're talking
about exploitation. We're talking about
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stuff that they've shown on American
screens.
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And then you have to stop and you say,
now, wait a minute.
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This is about...
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Gorillas mating with women. You know,
what kind of a subject is that? Gorillas
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mate with women. That's the subject of
it. It's about two explorers who
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allegedly go to the lost city of Angkor
in what used to be Cambodia.
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And they, of course, are led there by an
all -topless safari of native women.
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But the highlight of the film is that,
well, how come, what happened to
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everybody in Angkor? Oh, well, they got
all...
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Rape by monkeys, I guess. I still don't
understand what the hell they're
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claiming happened.
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Women and monkeys.
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We stopped dead in our tracks.
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The dance we had seen at Nun Ben leapt
into our minds.
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Again, the incredible suggestion of apes
wielding power over human beings.
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Monkey adoration. Monkey domination
ruling the people of Cambodia since the
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when Angkor was built.
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Ten centuries ago.
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When they file at the end of the film,
the big highlight is, of course, all the
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women not only are still mating with the
gorillas, but they're trying to protect
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the gorillas in this weird gorilla
worship.
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And I mean, do I need to keep going on?
This is just I mean, it's jaw dropping.
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They had a little storyline. I couldn't
follow it. But there was a little
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storyline in there someplace.
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Dwayne Esper made it. We'd have to dig
him up to ask him.
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Somebody had to go see these. I mean,
you know, there's a couple saying, hey,
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you want to see the new Clark Gable film
or would you like to go see a couple of
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gorillas, bops and babes? Oh, let's go
see that. I mean, I... What made it
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popular is the bare breast and the
native girls.
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And that's it.
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This wasn't an exploitation movie.
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This here was Mau Mau.
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It was just like a travelogue is what it
was.
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And the name was Mau Mau.
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These guys filmed what was ostensibly a
serious or, you know, somewhat
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legitimate, let's say, documentary on
the Mau Mau uprising.
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Hello, I'm Chet Huntley. And they even
had Chet Huntley as a narrator in the
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beginning who must have, you know,
fallen for this scam.
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But what are they going to do with it?
It was a little too raw for television,
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so it was a little too short as a
feature, so they brought it to Dan
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despite the little bit of massacre
footage in it, he realized it's still
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usey enough to sell as an exploitation
film.
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So I wanted to put a little sex in it.
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I went to a title guy down there, and
he's the guy that...
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that went in his back, and he had a
little studio, and he shot these scenes
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me with colored women and this and that.
We built a fire, and I inserted
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it into Mau Mau.
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And so I wanted to make an exploitation
picture.
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They recreated Africa right there on
Cordova Street and, you know, round up
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local African Americans from the
neighborhood, and it's really, it's such
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embarrassment. Their idea of Africa
is...
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There's an awful little painted backdrop
that must be about as far away from the
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actors as this bookshelf is from me,
with a little painted hut.
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And I shot some footage for the stills.
I needed stills. But I put the
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film in the... I cut it in a little bit,
you know, to make exploitation out of
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it.
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The whole campaign was built around
those three minutes. If you see any
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work or artwork from Mau Mau, it's
always...
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Those anonymous people that they rounded
up in the neighborhood.
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And it's just, you know, it's just
another wonderful scam, a little more
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than most. But then again, I'm not sure
how I'm not sure how an audience back in
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the mid 50s.
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I'm not sure if they would have seen
through the duplicity of it. They may
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been looked at this and thought, wow,
well, I'm surprised they got camera so
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close to me.
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We never did make any money. I wish I
had my money back on that thing.
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Mama don't mean nothing.
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If you put a name, Mau Mau Sex Sex, then
you could get the money.
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That sex is what sells, you know.
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Mau Mau don't sell.
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These were grindhouses that played this
stuff, you know. So you're not going to
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get widespread distribution because
you're limited to theaters that would
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show, you know, where your audience is
more interested in tearing up seats than
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movies.
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You could not be in this household
without being somehow involved in the
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business. There were a lot of people in
and out of my father's office, just like
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he had said that a lot of people were
drawn there. I think it was because it
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an office that was stable.
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He was stable. He made money.
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He would trade.
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Dad, I remember one of my earliest
memories is my father, when we lived in
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Portland, big barrels of dishes were
being unloaded because Dad had made some
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deal on some film.
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with dishes i mean silverware jewelry i
mean he's a willer dealer there was a
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lot of card playing a lot of cigar
smoking a lot of people in and out all
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time but at the same time it was orderly
i mean it was like they were getting
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all that stuff done but mostly it was
the people it was the characters each
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of these people is a character my
father's a character dave's a character
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everybody that walked in that office was
the character they were right out of a
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movie
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Now that he's an old, old man, now I
tell him what to do all the time.
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Yeah, she's a boss now.
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Now I'm the boss.
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She's a boss. Yeah, right.
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Let's see, what am I, I want a glass.
When he lets me be the boss. I want a
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glass. But she was married twice.
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I'm married twice. I was married one
time.
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Oh, one time. God.
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That's right. It just seemed like it was
five times.
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He's kind of, uh...
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brute in a way in his dealings with
women.
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Women are not on the same level.
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I think that's why, or when we grew up
that's how it was, but I think that's
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he had four daughters to prove him
wrong.
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When dad owned a art theater.
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The La Brea Theater. The La Brea Theater
in our.
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On 9th La Brea. In our neighborhood
where we grew up in our Catholic church
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school. We all went to Catholic school.
It's right down the next block down. So
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when dad opened this theater.
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Now it was an art theater.
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It had originally been the neighborhood
theater where we'd go and watch, you
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know, Abbott and Costello and all that.
And then Dad bought it, turned it into
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this art theater. So when Dad opened the
theater, he invited all of the
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Catholic, the priests, everybody.
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But he opens it with some Swedish film
where they're giving birth on the
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I mean, all the way. And I think half of
the audience got up and walked out when
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it was going on. You remember that,
Danny? No, I don't remember nothing.
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You don't? I don't want to remember
anything bad.
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I thought that the stuff that my dad did
was probably pretty risque, but
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I had, like, this double moral standard,
you know, I guess going on in me
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unconsciously. Like, well, my dad makes
his money this way. Like, Mom didn't
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like his name on the film. You know, he
didn't want Dan Sonny on the film when
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they were being made because somebody in
the church might see it or it would
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hurt the girls if somebody saw it.
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It wasn't like,
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I never really thought of it as any big
deal, because I knew it wasn't really a
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big deal. And I thought, after I grew a
little older, I thought the Catholic
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Church made much too much about a lot of
things, you know.
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Wake up, Daddy.
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Yeah, you've got to have Dave around all
the time to keep you awake. Yeah.
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Dave is the world's greatest carny.
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And he's a very brilliant man.
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You know, I used to get a letter in my
office and start reading it, and he was
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standing on the other side of my desk,
and he could tell me, read it upside
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down, faster than I could read it
frontward, and tell me what was in the
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before I read it.
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That's how good he is.
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Well, six o 'clock and we got our first
big bill. That's not bad.
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I got to sign some passes for those
cops.
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There's only one Dave, and he's the
world's greatest carny. You want a
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You want a bunny, huh?
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All you got to do is sit, see.
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The balls land in the saucer, you win a
bunny.
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Keep an eye on that back entrance there.
I blocked it, but if you see anybody,
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just run them out. If they give you any
argument, why?
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Then you'll call the coppers. We've got
coppers out here all over the life.
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And never turn down a finger. Yeah.
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Where were you all week? We needed some
help here on the rides for crying out
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loud. I was in North California.
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Oh. All right, well, teardown is Sunday
night, so be here for teardown.
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You got my deuce?
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You got my deuce?
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All right.
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There you go.
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Looking at the weather report, I said,
look out the window. Don't put any
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attention to these idiots with these.
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They could scare off more people.
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Yep. All you got to do is look out the
window. Look out the window. All right.
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You need anything, Captain?
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Yeah, give me that. Oh, it's up behind
my phone.
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All right.
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I could use about three. I'm working.
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All right.
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The Eternal Order of Police Lodge takes
care of our parking.
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We make a donation for their charities
at the end of the fair every year.
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That's what's called squaring up the
cup.
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Well, now you've seen our happy little
midway. Let's wait till it gets a little
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darker and you'll see the thundering
herd where we will proceed to separate
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suckers from their shekels.
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The carnival was the birthplace of
exploitation in every way. And
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eventually, of course,
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What did people go to the carnival to
see most?
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The Couch Show.
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The Girly Show.
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Hey, hey, hey, this is a show where they
take it off, roll it out, wrap it up,
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throw it right at you. This is a show
for those between the ages of 18 and 85.
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You're under 18, you wouldn't understand
it. You're over 85, you couldn't stand
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it. Now, we've got 16 beautiful girls on
the inside in various stages of dress
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and undress. Now, I'm going to bring
these girls out here on this stage just
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more time, and I want you all to notice
one thing. All of these young ladies is
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going to be wearing a red kimono. Now, I
want you to look. Examine that kimono
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very carefully. Look at the sheer
material in that kimono. Because once
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inside, you're never going to see those
kimonos again, but you're going to see
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everything that was underneath them. You
see, now that became the nudie, the
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nudie cutie. In fact, the nudie cutie
was the thing that destroyed girl shows
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carnivals. Because now...
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Every theater, every town in the country
of any size had an adult theater, and
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the guys could walk in and see nudist
camp pictures and nudie cooties on
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40 feet wide, 20 feet high with
beautiful young Hollywood girls. They
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to go on some carnival to see some poor
old gal.
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So that was the, everything started on
the lot.
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I had a very good job at Paramount. I
was in the publicity department.
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I traveled the country. I didn't have
that much supervision.
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I pretty much could dictate my own
hours.
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I had a fairly decent salary, a nice
expense account.
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My bosses liked me. As a matter of fact,
before I decided to leave, they had
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offered me the job as head of the
department in New York City. That was
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when the home offices were all in New
York.
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But I just decided that I'd like to be
in business for myself.
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And I'd always been fascinated by the
never -never, the underbelly, say,
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of show business, the carnivals, the
exploitation, everything, and it seemed
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like a good go for the dough.
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This is the one sheet from my favorite
picture, She -Freak.
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And the rest of it is just an
accumulation of things I have done,
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of old circus and carnival posters.
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And this is kind of my personal museum.
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This is my wife.
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I was out ahead of a picture called
Houdini.
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with Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh about
the great American magician.
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An old carny buddy of mine could hang by
his heels from the top of a building
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and escape from a straitjacket. This was
in Indianapolis. This was when you
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could do a street stunt and tie up the
whole town.
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And, of course, hopefully after they'd
seen this poor old guy hang by his
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get out of the straitjacket, they'd all
go in and see the movie.
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So the next town I went to was Des
Moines, and I had a little gag there.
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Anybody that can escape from this
straitjacket will give $100.
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So this kid was the first in line.
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Of course, it was gaffed, and I showed
him how to do it.
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And he gets out. The first guy in line
gets out. He wins the $100.
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So then it became an AP story that a
local boy outwits big city press agent
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and broke the wires all over the
country.
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Come here.
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Tell them about what happened there one
night. This was at a small circus in
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downstate Illinois, and they had no
girls riding elephants, and they offered
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to let me ride it and put me in this
rather brief costume.
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And I was thrown by the elephant's trunk
up onto the elephant's back, and the
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keeper walked.
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By me as we went around, and that is one
of the most exciting things that I have
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ever done. Looking into the face of the
audience looking up at you with their
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mouths open and stuff, it was really
marvelous. It was pouring down rain. The
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tent was leaking, and you could see the
elephant was wet.
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You were a mass of mud when you got off
of that thing. By the time they pulled
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me down, I had mud on skin as well as
costume.
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There was the greatest act.
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ever in history.
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Johnny North was telling me one day, he
says, I'm bringing back the greatest act
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in history. I said, what's that? He
said, Mr. Miston. I said, what does he
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He said, well, he's only six years old.
I said, what are you going to do, shoot
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him out of a cannon?
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He says, no, he's a xylophone player.
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I said, a xylophone player in a circus?
He said, well, you've got to see this
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kid. He can hold eight sticks and play.
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Sure enough, he brought him in. I went
to the opening of the show in New York,
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and the kid comes in, eight sticks.
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Starts playing the potent peasant
overture. It was unbelievable.
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Of course, out on the road, people were
saying, is that all he does?
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Don't he dive into some water or get
shot out of a cannon or something? How
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did he last? One season.
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Oh, so they really didn't like him in
small town? Oh, no, no. He was great in
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New York. And then when they took the
show to Havana, they loved him down
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But what are you going to do with him in
Oskaloosa, Iowa?
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I mean, they don't know from...
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They thought he was a midget.
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My husband Paul was a practicing nudist.
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I don't think you understood me.
448
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,840
I said Paul was a nudist.
449
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,920
When nudity first started appearing on
the screen, when nudity as a subject,
450
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,620
okay, as a genre could be made.
451
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,860
You know, you had your little innocent
nudist camp films where everybody played
452
00:29:53,860 --> 00:29:57,360
volleyball and no one had genitalia, and
everybody just waved, and everybody was
453
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,400
just, it was just wonderful. Life was
just so much better in the sunshine
454
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,480
wearing the wind, okay?
455
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,600
You went into a nudist camp, and they
played volleyball, and you couldn't show
456
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,500
any fronts. You could show ladies'
breasts, of course, and you could show
457
00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:19,200
derrieres of both male and female, but
you didn't show any genital or pubic
458
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,980
nudity. So it was kind of difficult in
shooting a volleyball game because no
459
00:30:23,980 --> 00:30:27,280
matter which side you were on, the other
side was facing you, so you were always
460
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,280
shooting up.
461
00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:49,980
Basically,
462
00:30:50,170 --> 00:30:55,210
When we were shooting those things in
those Florida nudist camps, we had to
463
00:30:55,210 --> 00:30:56,830
the mines, so to speak.
464
00:30:57,970 --> 00:31:04,910
The real nudists were not the most
erotic
465
00:31:04,910 --> 00:31:09,870
-looking or attractive young women, so
we would hire models to come in and
466
00:31:09,870 --> 00:31:14,570
cavort around the nudist camp grounds
and basically leave the camera on them.
467
00:31:14,850 --> 00:31:16,410
They've never been in a nudist camp.
468
00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:21,210
It's about as erotic as walking through
the cold storage room of Swifton Company
469
00:31:21,210 --> 00:31:22,890
in the Chicago stockyard.
470
00:31:25,790 --> 00:31:29,930
Then you had what they called the nudie
cuties. And this is because legally you
471
00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:30,930
still couldn't show sex.
472
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:37,290
And to make these films even, you know,
just not to make it safer, sex wasn't
473
00:31:37,290 --> 00:31:41,450
even implied. And usually in these, the
man, there was a guy who would just
474
00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:43,530
watch the women and he was a voyeur.
475
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,900
Either he ran when the women got too
close, or he would keep it distant.
476
00:31:47,260 --> 00:31:51,260
So it was kind of innocent, and it was
women doing housework in the nude, just
477
00:31:51,260 --> 00:31:52,260
retarding things like that.
478
00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:56,380
But they were all very cheerful, and it
idolized women. It sort of put them on
479
00:31:56,380 --> 00:32:01,260
kind of an offbeat pedestal. I mean,
they were objects of beauty, you know,
480
00:32:01,260 --> 00:32:02,039
but don't touch.
481
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:07,540
Now, the nudie cuties were very rigid in
their construction, that through some
482
00:32:07,540 --> 00:32:13,080
device, the lead character, either
through magic spectacles or...
483
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,440
He had the power. He could see all of
the ladies in various stages of dress
484
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,760
undress. Nobody else could. But he could
walk down the street and all of these
485
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,420
ladies that were approaching him, he saw
them in the nude. You know, maybe he
486
00:32:26,420 --> 00:32:30,160
had magic glasses or maybe he was the
janitor of the building. Or in this
487
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,620
retarded case, he turns into animals.
488
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,360
One spot.
489
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,340
This one is so stupid that even in the
midst of it, I'm sitting thinking, now
490
00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:51,440
wait a minute, now wait. If I just
turned into a goldfish, and I lost my
491
00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:55,840
and I just had scales and fins, and I
was submerged under water, would I still
492
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,800
be thinking it's cool to look at a
woman's breasts?
493
00:32:58,020 --> 00:33:02,640
I mean, I'm not sure that, you know,
first of all, even if I changed to a
494
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,760
goldfish, would I have the mental
capacity to understand? And also, if
495
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,480
goldfish and you're looking at, I'm
taking this too seriously, obviously,
496
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:10,560
you know.
497
00:33:11,180 --> 00:33:15,240
You know, if you're a goldfish, are you
going to actually, will a pair of giant
498
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,020
breasts look attractive to you? I don't
know. But that's the plot of it. You
499
00:33:18,020 --> 00:33:21,500
know, a guy turns into a little putty
tat so the naked girl can hug the putty
500
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,620
tat. And then he turns into another, you
know, hey, whatever.
501
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:31,160
I mean, it's just insanity. And it's all
that kind of wholesome, how many girls
502
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,720
with big breasts can we show you where
we don't actually break the law and
503
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,960
there's no actual sex involved.
504
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:42,340
Dieter Mintz. He used to sell, boy, oh,
could he sell pictures.
505
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,120
But, oh, they were god -awful.
506
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,800
Nothing was worse than the German
nudies. You know, they were all with the
507
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,240
lederhosen. Oh, god, they were awful
pictures.
508
00:33:56,100 --> 00:34:00,080
The girls weren't bad -looking. I'll say
that. They were all blonde, Teutonic.
509
00:34:00,380 --> 00:34:07,100
girls, but the guys were all fat and
they all had to have comedy in them. And
510
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:11,620
the guys would be wearing those little
Bavarian hats and the suspenders and the
511
00:34:11,620 --> 00:34:15,480
shorts. Oh, look at this. This must be
the blaze.
512
00:34:17,020 --> 00:34:23,100
Pictures were not salacious. They were
not obscene by any definition.
513
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:29,980
But because of the pressure of the
church on these pictures, you fought
514
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,500
uphill all the way.
515
00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:36,560
The interesting thing about it was that
it was only the independents, only the
516
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,440
exploiters that ever took on these sets
of boards. The major companies didn't
517
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,139
have to. They were home free.
518
00:35:00,060 --> 00:35:04,080
Be sure you take plenty of cold water of
your own because there ain't none out
519
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,080
there.
520
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:11,300
Where's the top?
521
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,200
Carol, where's the top?
522
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,960
I don't believe you. I do not believe
you.
523
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,840
Carol, where is the top of the thermos?
524
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,600
Huh?
525
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,460
I think the son of a bitch should have,
from the draft -dodging bastard, I think
526
00:35:35,460 --> 00:35:40,780
how he ever got to be the president is
beyond me, and that wife of his who
527
00:35:40,780 --> 00:35:42,880
to be the queen of the United States.
528
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,060
You can't talk about my president like
that.
529
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:49,320
I like him.
530
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,400
I like him.
531
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:59,600
I'll guarantee, you know, that you, of
all people, you'd be the first one to
532
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,680
screw if he was making a picture.
Because that's all you used to do.
533
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,340
That's all you used to do is make a
picture, just screw the lady.
534
00:36:06,940 --> 00:36:07,940
Dan,
535
00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:10,240
that is without a doubt.
536
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:12,640
Did I hurt you? I'm glad.
537
00:36:14,780 --> 00:36:15,780
Son of a bitch.
538
00:36:16,780 --> 00:36:20,740
Everybody accused me of having this long
affair with Connie Mason.
539
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:27,330
And I said in my book, of all of the
beautiful and willing young women that I
540
00:36:27,330 --> 00:36:32,890
work with in movies, I'm happy to say
that I never had illicit carnal
541
00:36:32,890 --> 00:36:35,510
with one. And that one was Connie Mason.
542
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:41,530
You could believe it. You could believe
it. He screwed every leading gal I ever
543
00:36:41,530 --> 00:36:42,690
made a picture with.
544
00:36:42,910 --> 00:36:43,910
Oh, Dan.
545
00:36:44,330 --> 00:36:46,410
Yeah. Lock this door.
546
00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:29,510
Dave's got that carny blood in him, and
I think Dave also loves the scam.
547
00:37:29,830 --> 00:37:35,410
I think Dave loves, there's a little bit
of larceny in this, and I think Dave
548
00:37:35,410 --> 00:37:36,610
loves that aspect of it.
549
00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:44,790
What was so immoral about what I was
doing? We got all the time in the world,
550
00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:45,810
baby.
551
00:37:46,570 --> 00:37:48,230
All the time in the world.
552
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:57,380
i was pushing it i was one of the the
founders i guess the uh i guess the one
553
00:37:57,380 --> 00:38:02,880
the leaders of the sexual revolution
i've been uh
554
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:09,320
grandized by the liberals and calumnized
by the uh conservatives for
555
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:16,020
my part in that but uh as you look back
on it now it was all so innocent
556
00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:18,240
that uh
557
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,220
You wondered, what was all of the
hullabaloo around?
558
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:31,620
I don't apologize to anyone for some of
the films I've made or some of the
559
00:38:31,620 --> 00:38:32,620
things I've done.
560
00:38:39,860 --> 00:38:42,860
They have to take today to pave this
street.
561
00:38:51,690 --> 00:38:52,690
Let's go, idiot.
562
00:39:01,970 --> 00:39:06,690
I just help Margaret with... I help her
do the washing.
563
00:39:07,330 --> 00:39:08,870
I help her do the dishes.
564
00:39:10,170 --> 00:39:14,810
The dishwasher is not full, so I'll wait
until it gets full before I turn it on.
565
00:39:15,550 --> 00:39:18,750
And I'll leave the kitchen in pretty
good shape for an old man.
566
00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:24,390
Now I'm going to walk over and start
doing my laundry.
567
00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:34,610
Life is just taking it easy nowadays.
When you get to be 84, you're lucky to
568
00:39:34,610 --> 00:39:35,630
to the bathroom by yourself.
569
00:39:37,050 --> 00:39:41,930
My wife and I have been married 62
years, and we have four lovely
570
00:39:42,370 --> 00:39:43,990
The oldest one is 61.
571
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:46,190
The youngest one is 51.
572
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:53,560
The oldest one is a retired school
teacher.
573
00:39:54,740 --> 00:40:01,540
And now I think I'll go over and get on
a treadmill,
574
00:40:01,580 --> 00:40:02,580
get a little exercise.
575
00:40:03,380 --> 00:40:09,980
I can only walk about five different
times a day on a treadmill one minute
576
00:40:09,980 --> 00:40:12,560
time because I got a bad hip.
577
00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:15,940
And this is the only way I can get any
exercise.
578
00:40:26,410 --> 00:40:28,030
I'm going to get off in about a second.
579
00:40:30,030 --> 00:40:34,170
I think I'll go sit in my high chair now
and watch television.
580
00:40:39,730 --> 00:40:44,410
It's going to
581
00:40:44,410 --> 00:40:51,210
rain in Palm Springs.
582
00:40:56,010 --> 00:41:01,690
The best thing I ever did was marry my
wonderful wife, and we've been happy all
583
00:41:01,690 --> 00:41:03,310
these years.
584
00:41:04,510 --> 00:41:09,910
We did have a very good marriage, and
the girls were well -educated and went
585
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:13,030
college, and they all had their own
cars.
586
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:18,570
And if my wife happened to die, I
wouldn't want to live a day without her.
587
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:20,170
And this is true.
588
00:41:20,490 --> 00:41:21,490
Oh, dig me up.
589
00:41:22,830 --> 00:41:26,940
I told my wife, When I died, for her to
commit suicide.
590
00:41:27,540 --> 00:41:28,920
Because I do the washing.
591
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,340
The dish washing, the clothes washing.
592
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,340
He helps me and I help him.
593
00:41:36,580 --> 00:41:39,580
And I think that really means a lot.
594
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:46,400
I think every child should have a mother
and a father that don't drink.
595
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:52,160
And that smoking is no good too.
596
00:41:57,290 --> 00:41:59,530
When Carl comes over, we play a lot of
gin.
597
00:42:00,410 --> 00:42:01,690
It's a nice game.
598
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:04,590
Count your cards.
599
00:42:05,470 --> 00:42:09,510
People that would come in my office,
they're film salesmen. They'd either buy
600
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:12,190
some of my pictures or I would buy some
of their pictures.
601
00:42:12,570 --> 00:42:13,870
You son of a bitch.
602
00:42:14,170 --> 00:42:15,170
See?
603
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:18,390
Just because you saw me, I want it.
You're going to take it. Sure.
604
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:22,570
You son of a bitch. You want it. Why
should you be greedy? I always shuffle
605
00:42:22,570 --> 00:42:25,270
cards for you. You always get the
choice. I don't care. You understand?
606
00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:29,500
You don't feel any guilt about that? No,
not a bit. Not when it comes to
607
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:31,140
gambling. Son of a bitch.
608
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,220
Good. See, I could use this and eat your
heart out. I'm gambling my children's
609
00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:36,320
money. I hope so.
610
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,380
I'll throw them on the street.
611
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,700
Colonel, I don't want to say nothing,
but you are a miserable person.
612
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,020
Listen, since I met you people, this is
the way you get to be.
613
00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:48,960
My hobby was playing gin.
614
00:42:49,260 --> 00:42:53,400
They'd come into town just to play gin
with me for three, four hours every day.
615
00:42:53,850 --> 00:42:55,610
I'd win all their money, all the time.
616
00:42:56,190 --> 00:42:59,090
Take him when he's down. You're building
a good hand there. You're taking
617
00:42:59,090 --> 00:43:01,050
everything in the world. I can see it.
618
00:43:03,070 --> 00:43:07,250
So you'd win $30, $40, and then you'd go
out and buy the guy a drink.
619
00:43:08,310 --> 00:43:11,030
What the hell are you talking about?
620
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:13,710
Oh, God.
621
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:19,630
You know, you go back to your sneaky
self, you get that... You look like
622
00:43:19,630 --> 00:43:22,250
on your face there, and your belly aches
about the worst cards.
623
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:34,990
This is what's called a splice, Donna.
624
00:43:35,290 --> 00:43:37,250
You've seen these things in Vegas.
625
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:39,690
And here we go.
626
00:43:41,010 --> 00:43:43,170
There we go. Here we go.
627
00:43:44,610 --> 00:43:46,910
Whoa! Close, but no cigar.
628
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,440
We're getting there.
629
00:44:00,580 --> 00:44:01,580
Oh, right.
630
00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:04,060
Well, we're not getting there very good.
631
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,420
Ah, okay.
632
00:44:12,420 --> 00:44:14,120
We're making big progress.
633
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:17,400
It's only going to cost $5 to win a
quarter.
634
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,000
I'm gonna make a mess.
635
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,720
I was very small, seven or eight years
old. I used to go out to the carnival, a
636
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:13,900
pretty good -sized carnival, the L .J.
Hess shows.
637
00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:18,120
My mother would take me out there and
leave me there all winter long, watch
638
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:23,540
painting the merry -go -round horses and
painting those garish banners that used
639
00:45:23,540 --> 00:45:26,960
to go up in front of the girls' show and
the sideshow.
640
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:33,500
I always said, boy, one day when they
leave for the season, I'm going to leave
641
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:34,500
with them.
642
00:45:44,430 --> 00:45:46,030
out to lunch with somebody every day.
643
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:50,570
It's company, it passes time, and I'm
getting my belly full.
644
00:45:51,590 --> 00:45:53,870
You can't get your belly full if you
don't eat lunch.
645
00:45:56,530 --> 00:46:00,530
Now that I made my money, I don't think
of business.
646
00:46:02,070 --> 00:46:06,830
So I like this retirement because I'm so
old I can't go back on the road or even
647
00:46:06,830 --> 00:46:07,970
produce a motion picture.
648
00:46:11,050 --> 00:46:15,730
And I talk to Nanny quite a bit and
pester him. We talk every day. We talk
649
00:46:15,730 --> 00:46:16,649
you two.
650
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:18,630
Just find out we're both still living.
651
00:46:21,090 --> 00:46:22,990
Daddy, let's get Steve over here.
652
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:24,350
He's okay over there.
653
00:46:24,990 --> 00:46:28,570
Don't you want to talk to him or
anything? No. I ain't moving out of
654
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:31,550
Open your mouth.
655
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:34,390
Come on. Open your mouth.
656
00:46:35,610 --> 00:46:36,610
That's good.
657
00:46:39,210 --> 00:46:40,210
Open your mouth.
658
00:46:40,590 --> 00:46:41,970
Well, that's good cake, isn't it?
659
00:46:42,310 --> 00:46:44,850
Yeah, but that's all you're having is
the cake. You want to eat this thing?
660
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:46,950
Daddy.
661
00:46:47,890 --> 00:46:49,270
That's it. That's the last piece.
662
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:55,770
That was a good dinner, honey.
663
00:46:56,930 --> 00:46:58,090
It was a good dinner.
664
00:46:58,330 --> 00:46:59,330
A long way to go.
665
00:47:00,230 --> 00:47:02,210
But I'll come here again before he dies.
666
00:47:02,930 --> 00:47:06,830
I'll be on the road for three or four
months.
667
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,380
And I'd miss my wife. I'd been talking
to her once a week.
668
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,860
When I'd go home to take a little rest,
I'd probably knock up my wife, and then
669
00:47:15,860 --> 00:47:17,140
I'd go back on the road again.
670
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,460
And that happened until we had a poor
daughter.
671
00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:34,880
Harold has always been very supportive.
672
00:47:35,790 --> 00:47:39,270
We've just passed the 47th anniversary.
673
00:47:39,790 --> 00:47:42,710
That's not totally usual these days.
674
00:48:03,150 --> 00:48:05,550
It was his affair as far as I was
concerned.
675
00:48:06,510 --> 00:48:12,770
I always knew I could walk out if I
wanted to or decided to,
676
00:48:12,910 --> 00:48:19,890
which maybe is one reason that it lasted
as long as it did. Who
677
00:48:19,890 --> 00:48:20,890
knows?
678
00:48:21,530 --> 00:48:23,650
As long as it has, the better.
679
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:29,610
And what I didn't want to see of what I
had to sometimes sit through, I learned
680
00:48:29,610 --> 00:48:31,770
very early to...
681
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:36,440
close my eyes and my ears, and not just
didn't pay any attention to it.
682
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:42,020
I learned long ago in Hollywood that if
something was sort of, hmm, you really
683
00:48:42,020 --> 00:48:47,240
didn't particularly care for it, you
always said to the director or producer
684
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:50,000
whatever, oh, that's most interesting.
685
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:58,700
What is something that no one has done
that we could do that, you know,
686
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,980
suddenly the word gore comes up?
687
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:08,140
Could you think of a legitimate reason
for torture or
688
00:49:08,140 --> 00:49:10,040
mutilation? Oh, yeah.
689
00:49:10,460 --> 00:49:13,940
Have you ever had an Egyptian feast?
690
00:49:18,460 --> 00:49:25,360
Out of that comes the idea of this
ancient Egyptian caterer
691
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:30,580
who must prepare a blood feast using the
vital organs from virgins.
692
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:37,720
It was a blast.
693
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,460
It was a lot of fun.
694
00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:45,380
The big problem was all of these girls
who were being mutilated, horribly,
695
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:46,540
horribly mutilated.
696
00:49:47,140 --> 00:49:50,380
Keeping them from giggling was the
biggest problem we had.
697
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:57,740
In the key scene, I found a girl named
Astrid Olsen who had a very large mouth,
698
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,240
a very pretty girl.
699
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,380
She, too, came from Playboy.
700
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,740
And we had this sheep's tongue.
701
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,460
And we'd had it several days, and we'd
been keeping it in the refrigerator in
702
00:50:08,460 --> 00:50:12,440
little suite there, but it was getting a
little... So we put some pine salt on
703
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:19,160
it. And we fill Astrid's mouth up with
this combination
704
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:24,860
of jello, strawberry jello, and this...
The other advantage of this blood was
705
00:50:24,860 --> 00:50:26,080
that it was not fatal.
706
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:31,660
In fact, one of the components of it,
which we didn't tell the actors, it was
707
00:50:31,660 --> 00:50:32,660
kaopectate.
708
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:41,020
We fill the girl's mouth up with this
jello and this blood compound.
709
00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:47,120
And we show the close -up of him ripping
her tongue out.
710
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:56,060
And then we pan down to this gaping
mouth, oozing this jello and
711
00:50:56,060 --> 00:51:00,300
this blood concoction. And it was one of
the great scenes in motion picture
712
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:02,480
history. So I have a screening.
713
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:06,430
And Carol comes to see this reading. I
said, well, what do you think of it? She
714
00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:08,410
said, in one word? I said, yes, she
said, vomitous.
715
00:51:09,130 --> 00:51:13,190
So that's when I went out and made up
these vomit bags. You may need this when
716
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:14,370
you see Blood Feast.
717
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:16,570
Printed up a quarter of a million of
them.
718
00:51:17,410 --> 00:51:21,670
Now, Kohlberg, the man who had financed
this thing, was an exhibitor, had a
719
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:22,670
chain of drive -ins.
720
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:27,050
Well, where do you want to play it?
Well, let's not play it in Chicago,
721
00:51:27,050 --> 00:51:29,210
if it drops dead, it'll be all over the
business.
722
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,780
Well, what about Gary? That's too close
to Chicago. Oh, wait a minute. I've got
723
00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:33,860
to drive in in Peoria.
724
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:38,520
Okay, that's great. We'll open in
Peoria. If it works in Peoria, it'll
725
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:44,200
anywhere. We drive 120 miles to Peoria.
We turn off on the road to get to this
726
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,980
drive -in, and suddenly I said, my God,
we're in the back of a funeral
727
00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:48,980
procession.
728
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,620
This is three miles from the theater.
729
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:56,940
And as we inch along, finally I can see
the screen tower. All these people are
730
00:51:56,940 --> 00:51:58,780
going in to see Blood Feast.
731
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,020
And there's an Illinois state trooper
there, and he said, no more, no more.
732
00:52:03,380 --> 00:52:08,080
And I said, excuse me, Sergeant. He was
actually a corporal, but you always
733
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:13,060
promote him. I said, I'm the producer. I
ought to run you in. You've got my
734
00:52:13,060 --> 00:52:14,460
whole district blocked up.
735
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,340
But he lets us in.
736
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,640
And that picture hit the screen that
night, and history was made.
737
00:52:22,540 --> 00:52:26,620
Some old boy had just gone down to the
concession stand to get some drinks for
738
00:52:26,620 --> 00:52:27,558
the kids.
739
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,140
And he said, they sure do make it look
real, don't they?
740
00:52:30,580 --> 00:52:32,900
And I said, you know what I heard?
741
00:52:33,340 --> 00:52:34,580
That is for real.
742
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,260
You know those Hollywood people, they'll
do anything.
743
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:38,480
He said, damn.
744
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,180
I did a lot of gimmicks with the thing.
I think in Sarasota, I...
745
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:48,750
got an injunction to stop the picture
from being shown in the town.
746
00:52:48,830 --> 00:52:50,250
Unfortunately, the injunction stuck.
747
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:57,330
I was going to get the injunction as a
fair -minded citizen and then go down
748
00:52:57,330 --> 00:53:04,130
have it lifted, but the judge, well, so
we had to play Bradenton the next town
749
00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:10,910
up. But I would say that that little $24
,000 picture brought back roughly a $30
750
00:53:10,910 --> 00:53:11,910
million.
751
00:53:11,950 --> 00:53:12,950
Gross. Oh, yeah.
752
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:15,470
That blood piece was terrible.
753
00:53:15,690 --> 00:53:19,430
Well, you know what they did? They cut
off a pig's head or something like that,
754
00:53:19,470 --> 00:53:23,510
wasn't it? I mean, I didn't even see it.
I didn't want to see it. I can't stand
755
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:24,570
to see things like that.
756
00:53:25,850 --> 00:53:27,670
It all got kind of ugly fast.
757
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:34,930
And, you know, while you still couldn't
show sex, the
758
00:53:34,930 --> 00:53:40,270
nudie substituted, you know, other forms
of shock for them, mostly violence.
759
00:53:41,770 --> 00:53:46,670
You know, or really ridiculous
storylines. I mean, really, really
760
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:49,290
Because you still couldn't show sex, so
you had to come up with something.
761
00:53:49,870 --> 00:53:54,450
And possibly the weirdest thing are
these films they call the roughies. And
762
00:53:54,450 --> 00:53:57,270
just find it interesting that one day
you have nudie cuties, the next day you
763
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:59,950
have roughies. I mean, there doesn't
seem to be much of a gap in between.
764
00:54:00,270 --> 00:54:06,030
And the roughies were just... It was as
if the audiences for these films were
765
00:54:06,030 --> 00:54:10,410
almost immediately frustrated at
watching beautiful women but not being
766
00:54:10,410 --> 00:54:11,410
touch them.
767
00:54:11,790 --> 00:54:14,450
So if we can't touch them, let's beat
them up or something. I don't know,
768
00:54:14,490 --> 00:54:16,790
because these films were just really
rough and rude.
769
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:21,290
We were just getting tired of nudist
camp pictures and nudie cuties. Let's
770
00:54:21,290 --> 00:54:22,310
something a little different.
771
00:54:24,650 --> 00:54:31,110
When I went out to California with Dan
Sonny in
772
00:54:31,110 --> 00:54:37,540
1964, I made what... Today, I don't like
to sound too
773
00:54:37,540 --> 00:54:41,200
immodest. He's still considered the
standard roughy, and that was a picture
774
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:42,200
called The Defilers.
775
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,460
Everything they touch is days.
776
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:50,980
The Defilers.
777
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:58,120
Two guys who just have to kick, and one
of them obviously is able to sort of
778
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,720
control the other one, and they kidnap a
girl and just...
779
00:55:02,660 --> 00:55:05,420
abuse her down in the basement as their
own personal little toy.
780
00:55:11,580 --> 00:55:17,720
And it's a very unsettling film, and
unlike a lot of the other roughies,
781
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:21,700
not on the side of the guys in this one.
You're really on the side of the girl,
782
00:55:21,740 --> 00:55:25,960
and it helps it a bit because it's
pretty intense, and it's also very well
783
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:26,960
and very well filmed.
784
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:28,520
That's only the biffy chick.
785
00:55:28,940 --> 00:55:30,820
The only way out of there is to pull the
chain.
786
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,720
It's inevitable, baby. Why not enjoy it?
787
00:55:39,380 --> 00:55:43,920
That was a good picture. We made money
with it.
788
00:55:44,540 --> 00:55:50,020
We made money with it. Dave was doing
the whole thing. I was putting up the
789
00:55:50,020 --> 00:55:52,960
money. And Dave was making it and
everything.
790
00:55:53,740 --> 00:55:56,960
And I get my money back. We go 50 -50 on
the problem.
791
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:03,600
I was around 55 years old. I was getting
a little tired. I had my building down
792
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:08,860
there, and I was, you know, I wanted
Dave to come out here because I knew he
793
00:56:08,860 --> 00:56:10,060
knew something about Chopin.
794
00:56:10,260 --> 00:56:16,140
Working with Dan Sonny was the happiest
period of my life. When I first saw
795
00:56:16,140 --> 00:56:20,060
Sonny Amusement, it wasn't a motion
picture company. It was the winter
796
00:56:20,060 --> 00:56:21,060
of a carnival.
797
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:25,160
There was the wax figures. There was the
body of Elmer McCurdy, the mummified
798
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,400
body of this old Oklahoma outlaw.
799
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:32,220
There were stuffed crocodiles hanging
from the ceiling.
800
00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:33,780
It was unreal.
801
00:56:34,020 --> 00:56:40,160
Dan's family, the first and foremost
family of exploitation in this country,
802
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:46,020
all of the tales of Dan's father, Louis
Sonny, who basically really founded the
803
00:56:46,020 --> 00:56:52,500
exploitation business in this country,
became my good
804
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:55,300
fortune and privilege to become the
chronicler.
805
00:56:55,740 --> 00:57:02,200
this family and all of their deeds and
adventures which is fun fun fun
806
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:37,200
The original title of that was The Man
Eater, but then the newspaper said they
807
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,200
couldn't take that.
808
00:57:38,620 --> 00:57:43,680
So the whole idea was she was a little
tease, and she would lead these guys
809
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:50,480
on so far and then holler, rape, rape,
and they'd get arrested.
810
00:57:51,020 --> 00:57:55,720
So it was a smell of honey and then a
swallow of brine.
811
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,920
It's basically a cock teaser film. I
mean, there's no other way of doing it.
812
00:57:58,920 --> 00:57:59,799
It's about a girl.
813
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,280
It's a wonderful actress named Stacey
Walker who only made two features.
814
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:04,560
Talk about offensive.
815
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:11,640
She actually leads one guy on so much
that he is, you know, he turns into a
816
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,040
rapist. All of a
817
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:21,740
sudden, he's so turned on by her
818
00:58:21,740 --> 00:58:23,960
that he is forced to run through the
streets.
819
00:58:24,380 --> 00:58:28,040
of Los Angeles stop briefly and look at
mannequins in a window and then rape the
820
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,040
first girl he sees.
821
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,480
Then he gets shot through the head and
you're supposed to feel sorry for him.
822
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:42,160
Okay, then, and then she, this being a
film made for the male audience too, she
823
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:46,520
receives her comeuppance by ending up
becoming a hooker at the end.
824
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:53,640
Stacey Walker.
825
00:58:54,430 --> 00:58:58,450
Notorious daughter of Fanny Hill and a
smell of honey, a swallow of brine. She
826
00:58:58,450 --> 00:59:01,350
was really one of the prettiest girls I
ever saw.
827
00:59:02,210 --> 00:59:03,770
What you used to call her precious.
828
00:59:04,550 --> 00:59:10,350
He always treated her as though she was
very, very precious.
829
00:59:11,610 --> 00:59:14,250
Two things you find in every one of
Dave's exploitation films.
830
00:59:14,490 --> 00:59:15,950
Lesbian scene and a whipping scene.
831
00:59:16,410 --> 00:59:20,090
Doesn't matter what the film is. It
doesn't matter what the context is. He's
832
00:59:20,090 --> 00:59:22,870
going to find an excuse to put those two
things in there. So in the midst of a
833
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:25,720
frothy, Silly sci -fi comedy.
834
00:59:25,940 --> 00:59:27,040
One girl gets whipped.
835
00:59:28,580 --> 00:59:31,080
Oh, God almighty.
836
00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:35,700
It's a formula, and, you know, obviously
it worked well for him.
837
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,320
You know, I mean, he had him down pat,
and, you know, his films made money, and
838
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,420
they were big and successful, and
they're the ones that hold up the best.
839
00:59:44,540 --> 00:59:48,640
They're the ones that sell the best. We
made pictures that made money. We made
840
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:49,960
pictures that we lost money.
841
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,940
On a picture we made, she freaked.
842
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,200
I still got like $20 ,000 to get back
before I break even.
843
00:59:59,020 --> 01:00:04,520
Dave, that was his baby. He thought that
was going to be a gone with the wind.
844
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,560
There are only two kinds of freaks,
ladies and gentlemen.
845
01:00:14,900 --> 01:00:18,740
Those created by God and those made by
man.
846
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,960
Look, if you must.
847
01:00:21,390 --> 01:00:23,890
The way I describe the film is I call it
carny noir.
848
01:00:24,250 --> 01:00:27,050
It almost seems like it was made by
somebody with a carnival fetish.
849
01:00:27,330 --> 01:00:31,050
I mean, you just see, I mean, it's like
tons of shots of the carnival setting
850
01:00:31,050 --> 01:00:35,290
up, taking down, the carnival at night,
the carnival in the day, the booth. And
851
01:00:35,290 --> 01:00:37,370
I find that quite lovely.
852
01:00:37,570 --> 01:00:40,090
I can't compare it to something. His
carnival picture.
853
01:00:40,330 --> 01:00:41,810
He had to sleep with that negative.
854
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:47,150
I had to send it to him to sleep with
it.
855
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:51,760
Sadly, to a film buff like myself, but
in many cases, the film is purely
856
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:56,280
incidental. The film is like, well,
Jesus, we've got a great title, we've
857
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,980
great idea, we've got great posters,
we've got great ads. Oh, shit, we've got
858
01:00:59,980 --> 01:01:04,600
get a film to go with it. I would spend
more time writing the trailer copy or
859
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,640
writing the poster copy than I ever
spent writing the script.
860
01:01:08,700 --> 01:01:15,060
If you are under 18, you are breaking
the law by even seeing this preview.
861
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,280
Ah, she blows.
862
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,460
Built for filth's sake.
863
01:01:19,820 --> 01:01:25,480
Teddy, a part -time swinger, full -time
female, came from a thousand years
864
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:31,960
beyond. A crock of smut. It's an all
-new, all -nude, lewd and
865
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,120
lascivious Zorro.
866
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,480
Here is a Zorro with balls.
867
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,380
What will you do next?
868
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,440
Next? I am getting laid.
869
01:01:43,060 --> 01:01:47,180
Garbage. Unfit to be seen by decent,
civilized people.
870
01:01:47,580 --> 01:01:50,160
The heathen ritual of penetration.
871
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:56,680
Performed on the sweating, pulsating
body of the defiled girl. This is a film
872
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,180
that literally assaults the sensual
senses.
873
01:02:00,860 --> 01:02:03,280
No matter how many times I am ripped
off.
874
01:02:03,690 --> 01:02:06,410
I'm still a sucker for the come on. If
they tell me we're going to show you
875
01:02:06,410 --> 01:02:09,010
something you've never seen before, I'm
like a damn fool going, really, uncle?
876
01:02:09,310 --> 01:02:10,610
A sweet sickness.
877
01:02:11,550 --> 01:02:15,150
It has also been called eight reels of
sewage.
878
01:02:15,370 --> 01:02:18,550
You know, it's the old razzle dazzle,
sell the sizzle, not the steak.
879
01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:20,110
That's what it was all about.
880
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:25,190
And it worked for me, it worked for Bab,
it worked for Barnum, it worked for
881
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:26,510
Bailey. So why change it?
882
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:30,950
We made a picture called Starlet, and I
had a line.
883
01:02:31,919 --> 01:02:36,800
Neuble starlet sucked and then into a
vortex of passion was the second line.
884
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:42,140
And this guy said, okay, you can't use
this copy here.
885
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:48,160
And I said, okay, you cut me. You caught
me. So he said, what's wrong?
886
01:02:49,140 --> 01:02:51,740
Like I didn't know. He said, this word
neuble.
887
01:02:52,460 --> 01:02:53,460
Neuble?
888
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:57,140
Yeah, I said, we know what it means. I
said, so do I know what it means. What
889
01:02:57,140 --> 01:02:59,560
you think it means? He said, it means
naked Negroes.
890
01:03:00,060 --> 01:03:04,620
I said, no, you've got it mixed up with
two words, nude and Nubian. It just
891
01:03:04,620 --> 01:03:09,240
means young girls of marriageable age.
Look it up. Never mind that. We know
892
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:10,038
it means.
893
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:11,040
I said, okay.
894
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,760
Is that all you want changed? He says,
yeah. I said, all right. Then blossoming
895
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,820
starlets sucked into a vortex of
passion.
896
01:03:18,140 --> 01:03:20,500
He said, now, why didn't you say that to
begin with?
897
01:03:26,670 --> 01:03:30,490
See, this is what's wrong with today's
movies. Not enough bloody crotch shots.
898
01:03:36,330 --> 01:03:40,610
Where are these people today? Do you
think she's a grandmother today? You
899
01:03:40,610 --> 01:03:44,110
brings her little kids in and go, look,
watch mommy bear her hooters in this
900
01:03:44,110 --> 01:03:47,610
scene. Now look at the guy bleeding all
over them. Yes, mommy used to be in
901
01:03:47,610 --> 01:03:50,030
movies. Sure, there's her ass right now.
902
01:03:52,170 --> 01:03:56,490
The only film I'm aware that Dan was in
was Fabulous Bastard from Chicago.
903
01:03:57,710 --> 01:03:58,970
Boy, it was a lot of fun.
904
01:03:59,930 --> 01:04:02,530
It was a lot of fun. I stood down there
wheeling, dealing.
905
01:04:03,690 --> 01:04:05,730
Get out of here, you bitch, you!
906
01:04:06,570 --> 01:04:09,290
Or I'll break the goddamn bottle over
your head.
907
01:04:11,730 --> 01:04:14,610
I think it was simply that they were
having a good time.
908
01:04:15,050 --> 01:04:19,070
And also, when these films were made,
you know, they really weren't studied.
909
01:04:20,670 --> 01:04:23,590
We're doing more studying of them now
than they ever would have done back
910
01:04:23,810 --> 01:04:27,390
I mean, they played grindhouses and were
forgotten about. No one analyzed them.
911
01:04:27,690 --> 01:04:31,530
They weren't reviewed in legitimate
papers. The mainstream didn't pay any
912
01:04:31,530 --> 01:04:34,710
attention to this stuff. So what
difference does it make? You might as
913
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:38,250
the films, have a good time, you know,
count your loot and get out of town.
914
01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:45,770
There were roughly 750 theaters in the
United States by the end of the 60s
915
01:04:45,770 --> 01:04:46,850
that were playing.
916
01:04:49,470 --> 01:04:54,890
or roughies or nudie cuties or, you
know, adult films.
917
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:58,610
But that was the absolute peak.
918
01:04:58,910 --> 01:05:04,550
The name Pussycat became generic with
adult theaters all over the country. And
919
01:05:04,550 --> 01:05:07,190
Dan Sonny was the guy that came up with
that name.
920
01:05:07,550 --> 01:05:10,890
And where you and Margaret had been to
see it. Yeah, we went to see it.
921
01:05:11,490 --> 01:05:13,810
What's new Pussycat or something? No,
no.
922
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:18,350
Pussycat? No, no, no. There was a song?
No, no.
923
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:20,380
Goldfinger. Goldfinger.
924
01:05:20,940 --> 01:05:26,040
Goldfinger. No, the girl in Goldfinger.
No, no, no, the Goldfinger. The girl
925
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:31,100
was. Please believe me, because I've
been arguing with you for 25 years on
926
01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:37,540
Goldfinger had a balance out in front of
the theater, and the aviator girl that
927
01:05:37,540 --> 01:05:39,220
was bringing in the gold.
928
01:05:39,500 --> 01:05:40,500
Pussy Galore.
929
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,060
Pussy Galore.
930
01:05:42,260 --> 01:05:43,260
Okay.
931
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,940
Okay. You can't talk to him. He's a
mule.
932
01:05:47,100 --> 01:05:48,100
I'm a mule.
933
01:05:48,140 --> 01:05:49,140
He's a mule.
934
01:05:51,340 --> 01:05:52,500
I'm trying to tell you.
935
01:05:52,740 --> 01:05:58,220
I'd like to bet you $100, and I'd take
your $100 if we lost it.
936
01:05:58,540 --> 01:06:00,120
No, no. Shove it up in your ass.
937
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:04,700
No, no, no.
938
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,120
You lose me.
939
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,780
Because I don't know if you remember,
but I never lose a bet.
940
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:12,360
Never.
941
01:06:13,590 --> 01:06:17,090
In fact, I even put up a 100 -year tent.
942
01:06:18,750 --> 01:06:19,850
I'm so sure.
943
01:06:22,370 --> 01:06:27,470
The girls that Goldfinger had was the
aviators.
944
01:06:28,450 --> 01:06:34,810
They called them Pussy Glower. It wasn't
945
01:06:34,810 --> 01:06:36,810
Pussy Glower.
946
01:06:37,130 --> 01:06:39,270
Son of a bitch, you got me going crazy.
947
01:06:41,260 --> 01:06:48,020
I worked for Dad a few times. I worked
for him at the Pussycat down across from
948
01:06:48,020 --> 01:06:49,600
Pershing Square. What is that, Daddy?
949
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,560
Spring? What street is that? Hill
Street.
950
01:06:52,780 --> 01:06:53,419
Hill Street.
951
01:06:53,420 --> 01:06:57,740
I would go down and work the cashier's
booth.
952
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:02,560
I never go in the theater because, you
know, I was like the girl.
953
01:07:02,980 --> 01:07:06,620
And a very interesting thing happened
down there.
954
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,640
I would get a lot of Oriental Japanese
men.
955
01:07:12,060 --> 01:07:16,820
buying tickets all the time. And they
come in groves and groves and groves.
956
01:07:16,820 --> 01:07:22,840
later on, one time after Vince Miranda
957
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:29,280
opened the Pussycat on Sunset Boulevard,
my husband and I went in there.
958
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,500
And we're sitting in there watching Deep
Throat or God knows what.
959
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:40,400
All of a sudden, like a busload of
Japanese men and women came in.
960
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:45,940
sat there for like half an hour. They
all got sat down. They all got up and
961
01:07:45,940 --> 01:07:49,080
left. And Vince, it was on the tour.
962
01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:51,060
It was on the Japanese tour.
963
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:57,980
The audience was basically a white male
past the age of 35,
964
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:03,700
normally in a business suit, salesman on
their lunch hour.
965
01:08:04,020 --> 01:08:07,300
This was the only business where the
matinee was as big as the night
966
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,700
So salesmen on their lunch hour would
come in.
967
01:08:12,100 --> 01:08:18,340
We had a theater in Minneapolis that I
was partnered with a man up there. There
968
01:08:18,340 --> 01:08:23,120
was a phone in the lobby and I could
hear these guys.
969
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:28,069
Well, tell Mr. So -and -so I got a deal
with 3M, but I'm going to be late. I
970
01:08:28,069 --> 01:08:30,990
probably won't be back in the office
today and hang up the phone, you know,
971
01:08:31,010 --> 01:08:34,450
talking to his secretary. And he'd go
into the theater. We were running double
972
01:08:34,450 --> 01:08:35,450
features there.
973
01:08:35,770 --> 01:08:40,149
I do remember in those theaters seeing
guys masturbating, you know, under the,
974
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:44,689
not overtly, but so you were, there were
guys there masturbating just at the
975
01:08:44,689 --> 01:08:45,349
bare breath.
976
01:08:45,350 --> 01:08:46,990
And that is what it was all about.
977
01:08:47,290 --> 01:08:48,890
I don't think the guys came there.
978
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:54,229
to see a plot. The Vice Squad comes in
to theaters, and they look, they got a
979
01:08:54,229 --> 01:09:00,390
peek -hole in the men's bathroom, or the
women's bathroom, and they want to see
980
01:09:00,390 --> 01:09:01,649
if men are jacking off.
981
01:09:02,510 --> 01:09:06,170
And I don't know why they do that, but
it's true. Did you know that?
982
01:09:06,910 --> 01:09:07,910
Oh, yeah.
983
01:09:08,430 --> 01:09:12,529
Every once in a while, they would arrest
somebody in my five theaters down
984
01:09:12,529 --> 01:09:13,529
there.
985
01:09:13,630 --> 01:09:16,470
And who do you think they would be, the
people jacking off?
986
01:09:17,090 --> 01:09:18,189
Attorneys, ministers?
987
01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:23,100
Teachers, those are the type of people
that jack off in theaters.
988
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,460
Pee -wee was jacking off in the theater.
989
01:09:26,700 --> 01:09:29,359
You know, they don't have nothing else
to do, I guess.
990
01:09:29,580 --> 01:09:34,399
There was an unwritten law in running an
adult theater that no one sat beside
991
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:37,859
anybody, no one sat in front of anybody
or behind anybody.
992
01:09:38,340 --> 01:09:43,540
Dan Sonny had a theater down on Main
Street, and one day he just took out
993
01:09:43,540 --> 01:09:45,420
other chair. It looked like a big
checkerboard.
994
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:52,380
I have no interest in this stuff today
because most of the porn made today is
995
01:09:52,380 --> 01:09:54,140
not movies. They're simply masturbatory
aids.
996
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,780
Our secret was the old Carney tease.
Boy, we didn't see it this week, but
997
01:09:58,780 --> 01:10:01,920
week we're going to see it. Did you see
the previews? Ha, ha, ha. Oh, boy, we've
998
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:02,920
got to come back next week.
999
01:10:03,300 --> 01:10:08,500
But here with explicit films, the minute
you raise the curtain, you're giving
1000
01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:09,500
away the third act.
1001
01:10:10,220 --> 01:10:14,160
Where do you go from there? It just
wasn't fun anymore.
1002
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:15,880
It wasn't my cup of tea.
1003
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:17,780
That's why we're out of the businesses.
1004
01:10:18,380 --> 01:10:19,380
Hardcore took over.
1005
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:23,740
God, I got to pee.
1006
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,120
How are your prostrate glands? Pretty
good? Very good, Danny. As I said, since
1007
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,000
started taking that Palmetto.
1008
01:10:31,260 --> 01:10:32,260
Go ahead, Danny.
1009
01:10:32,740 --> 01:10:34,300
Mention my name, you get a good seat.
1010
01:10:36,140 --> 01:10:36,999
Where's Mike?
1011
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,000
Here he is.
1012
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,220
Mike, hey, hey, hey. Hey, kid.
1013
01:10:42,090 --> 01:10:43,090
How you doing, Mike?
1014
01:10:43,630 --> 01:10:45,730
You look like you grew two inches.
1015
01:10:46,970 --> 01:10:49,110
I'm sorry I'm so dirty, Dan. Come on in.
1016
01:10:49,690 --> 01:10:51,230
This is where I've been keeping
everything.
1017
01:10:52,210 --> 01:10:54,930
This will remind you of your old place.
1018
01:10:56,010 --> 01:10:58,030
Oh, my God. It really does.
1019
01:10:58,990 --> 01:11:00,930
Well, is this all yours?
1020
01:11:02,170 --> 01:11:04,090
Oh, you're crazier than I am.
1021
01:11:04,750 --> 01:11:06,570
Dan, it gets even better. Oh.
1022
01:11:08,370 --> 01:11:09,810
I can't believe it.
1023
01:11:11,660 --> 01:11:13,440
I'm a pretty organized guy, huh, Dan?
1024
01:11:14,340 --> 01:11:18,480
Young in the den, this is a colony
pussy.
1025
01:11:19,490 --> 01:11:20,690
No, no, no, no.
1026
01:11:20,890 --> 01:11:23,290
Colony. Wait a minute. That says pussy
there.
1027
01:11:23,530 --> 01:11:28,030
Oh, pussy galore. Pussy galore. You
know, you and I have been in this
1028
01:11:28,030 --> 01:11:31,350
so long that the word film had two
syllables.
1029
01:11:32,350 --> 01:11:39,330
I said to him, I said, nobody's
interested in this old
1030
01:11:39,330 --> 01:11:41,550
stuff. And he said, just give me a shot.
1031
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:46,570
And when I told you about it, you said
the same thing. Who'd look at that junk?
1032
01:11:47,730 --> 01:11:54,210
But I've been seeing things on these new
pictures that I think some of our old
1033
01:11:54,210 --> 01:11:57,470
shit's better than new ones. That costs
a million dollars.
1034
01:11:58,390 --> 01:12:00,950
I really mean it. I know. I agree with
you.
1035
01:12:01,250 --> 01:12:02,250
I agree with you.
1036
01:12:03,810 --> 01:12:07,890
So probably the most exciting thing is
these guys are still in the game.
1037
01:12:08,190 --> 01:12:12,090
You know, for ten more years when they
thought it was completely over, they
1038
01:12:12,090 --> 01:12:15,550
dumping the stuff, they were clean,
they're all moving in different
1039
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,380
you know, to retire and whatnot.
1040
01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:23,720
I came along, and now we've gone from
video to television to clips, stock
1041
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:27,880
footage, where this stuff is going to be
used over and over again and seen
1042
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,380
constantly probably until the end of
time.
1043
01:12:31,140 --> 01:12:34,460
Is that a school over there? Yeah, it
is. What kind of school?
1044
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:35,680
Elementary.
1045
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:39,900
Don't tell him you're over there. I
know. Isn't that just, you know?
1046
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,360
Danny, you're still thinking back in
those terms. Hey, little boy, you want
1047
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:48,500
buy some filthy pictures?
1048
01:12:50,980 --> 01:12:56,720
Every day for 28 years, I drove this.
1049
01:13:00,020 --> 01:13:02,440
And we had nice offices, didn't we? We
sure did.
1050
01:13:03,340 --> 01:13:07,640
All right, here we are on Cordova
Street. This is where it all happened.
1051
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:12,480
Silvestri is still here, Al. This used
to be the big popcorn plant.
1052
01:13:13,210 --> 01:13:16,310
And then all of the theater equipment
dealers were down here.
1053
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:19,970
The neon company. The neon company. Here
we are.
1054
01:13:20,330 --> 01:13:22,050
Park right here. Park right here.
1055
01:13:22,670 --> 01:13:23,870
Look, they got a gate on there.
1056
01:13:24,490 --> 01:13:25,550
I don't blame them.
1057
01:13:25,870 --> 01:13:27,950
I don't blame them. Okay, we're here.
1058
01:13:28,370 --> 01:13:30,150
Well, Danny, we're home.
1059
01:13:30,750 --> 01:13:31,728
We're home.
1060
01:13:31,730 --> 01:13:32,950
There it is down there.
1061
01:13:33,810 --> 01:13:36,090
Yeah. Oh, shit.
1062
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:39,170
You got it.
1063
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:40,510
Oh, God.
1064
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:43,419
Oh, shit.
1065
01:13:43,420 --> 01:13:44,460
Oh, shit.
1066
01:13:44,980 --> 01:13:45,980
Oh, shit.
1067
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:48,379
Here, Danny.
1068
01:13:48,380 --> 01:13:49,380
Give me your hand.
1069
01:13:49,620 --> 01:13:51,500
Give me your hand. Okay. Okay.
1070
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,500
Okay, thank you, Danny. Okay, baby.
Thank you, Danny. You better lock the
1071
01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:01,100
Yeah, lock the car. It'll be gone
before... Danny, we're back.
1072
01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:04,980
We're back on Cordova Street. Well, they
painted the building. They painted it.
1073
01:14:04,980 --> 01:14:07,100
It looks good. They put bars up.
1074
01:14:07,580 --> 01:14:08,580
Looks good.
1075
01:14:11,020 --> 01:14:12,920
Remember, EVI used to be up there.
1076
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:14,200
Presbyterian Church.
1077
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,400
Haram, Haram Presbyterian Church.
1078
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:21,720
Can you imagine this citadel of sin
becoming a church?
1079
01:14:22,060 --> 01:14:23,060
That's right.
1080
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:30,980
Then, Armand was in here. Yeah, the next
door, the photographic studio we had
1081
01:14:30,980 --> 01:14:34,540
next door. The photographic studio we
owned, ultra -volume photo.
1082
01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:38,540
And we used to grind out.
1083
01:14:39,940 --> 01:14:43,520
Well, I guess 5 ,000 stills a day if you
had to. Oh, yeah, yeah.
1084
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,220
Then Armand was in here with the poster.
1085
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,760
Poster company was in there. In there.
1086
01:14:50,460 --> 01:14:55,800
And then our little Mexican artist,
Rudy, was here.
1087
01:14:56,220 --> 01:14:57,500
Yeah, right there. He was good.
1088
01:14:57,900 --> 01:15:00,980
Yeah, he was quite a guy. He was a whale
of an artist.
1089
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:02,280
A cocksman.
1090
01:15:03,380 --> 01:15:04,380
See,
1091
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:06,160
we had a regular.
1092
01:15:06,590 --> 01:15:10,210
A regular film roll here, you know, with
vaults and cutting rooms and
1093
01:15:10,210 --> 01:15:11,210
everything.
1094
01:15:11,370 --> 01:15:15,390
My dad built all this stuff here. That
was a pretty good little insert stage.
1095
01:15:15,650 --> 01:15:19,290
We shot down in Santa Monica, and then
when we wanted to shoot the scenes for
1096
01:15:19,290 --> 01:15:23,230
the group, we'd shoot it inside there.
You wouldn't know the difference.
1097
01:15:24,930 --> 01:15:29,650
See, these pictures, a lot of these, out
of 100 pictures that I donated to UCLA.
1098
01:15:34,020 --> 01:15:39,400
90 % of them, not 90, but 70 % of them
was made by other producers that died,
1099
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,020
like Irving Claw in New York.
1100
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:46,880
Well, after they died, I went and bought
these negatives from their estates,
1101
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:52,880
like J .D. Kennes, you've heard of him,
and Willis Kent, and all those people. I
1102
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:57,100
went ahead. For some reason, I don't
know, I guess I was the buyer, and I
1103
01:15:57,100 --> 01:16:02,220
up with them, and now that's why my name
is on UCLA, because I donated 100
1104
01:16:02,220 --> 01:16:03,220
pictures to them.
1105
01:16:03,950 --> 01:16:05,390
And that's it. That's the end.
1106
01:16:05,670 --> 01:16:08,350
They should have given you a doctrine.
1107
01:16:10,970 --> 01:16:14,730
You know, isn't it funny? I don't
actually remember when we came here.
1108
01:16:14,970 --> 01:16:16,250
It could have been 1950.
1109
01:16:19,210 --> 01:16:20,108
It's cold.
1110
01:16:20,110 --> 01:16:21,270
God, it's cold as hell.
1111
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:23,430
Don't you catch cold, though.
1112
01:16:23,670 --> 01:16:28,530
See how I walk? I walk like... It's
terrible how I walk.
1113
01:16:28,750 --> 01:16:29,750
You all right?
1114
01:16:29,810 --> 01:16:30,850
Oh, yeah, I'm fine.
1115
01:16:33,180 --> 01:16:35,760
Actually, you should walk some every
day, Danny.
1116
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,260
I try to walk a mile every day. Yeah.
1117
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:46,940
Well... Look at the picture.
1118
01:16:47,020 --> 01:16:49,160
Wow. Look at it. They don't shit on your
head.
1119
01:16:52,540 --> 01:16:53,540
That's great.
95893
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