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The idea of doing a Lone Gunmen
spin-off had been suggested very early on.
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I always thought it
was perfectly cast.
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They all had that kind of great
visual take on who they were.
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We tell the stories
others refuse to tell.
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- I'm Bruce Harwood. I play Byers.
- I'm Dean Haglund. I play Langly.
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- I'm Tom Braidwood. I play Frohike.
- (all) And we're the lone gunmen.
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The lone gunmen were introduced
to The X-Files in the first season,
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in an episode written by Glen
Morgan and James Wong called "EBE".
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We're talking about
a dark network.
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A government within a government
controlling our every move.
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I went in. I auditioned once. I
got the part. I didn't think much of it.
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And they kept calling
me back for one day
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here, one day there,
playing these characters.
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All right. What do you know
about Gulf War syndrome?
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- Agent Orange of the '90s.
- Shells coated with depleted uranium.
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Jim Wong and Glen Morgan,
who created the characters,
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had a little difficulty casting
the character of Frohike.
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They had already cast
Bruce Harwood as Byers
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and they had cast
Dean Haglund as Langly,
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but that third character
was kind of elusive.
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- Hey, Frohike, can I borrow those?
- If I can have Scully's phone number.
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Glen Morgan and James Wong
had written them to become
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the even more paranoid
group than Agent Mulder.
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In fact, that's the way they
were billed, as the paranoids.
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These are unlikely heroes,
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not only in their characters,
but in the actors we cast,
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and that's, for
us, the fun of it.
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They were funny. They became, for the
writers subsequent to that, a comic relief.
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We'd go to the lone gunmen when we wanted
strange and weird facts, information.
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That is a Eurasian cluster fly.
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They infest vegetation
like apples or cherries,
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and inflict a great deal
of damage to crops.
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Each episode that we got as the
gunmen in those little early years
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were feeding the next one, so the
information that we got from the first one
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would inform the character
choices for each following episode.
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(Frank) The lone gunmen
were popular among the writers.
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We always looked for
ways to bring them back.
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Ironically, they almost
were no more in season four,
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because Glen and Jim, who'd returned
for a number of episodes in season four,
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wrote an episode called "Musings
of a Cigarette Smoking Man".
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The end of that episode
originally had Frohike
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being killed by the
Cigarette-Smoking Man.
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We were very upset. All of us
who were going to stay on the show,
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we didn't want these characters to
go, and so we made our case to Chris.
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If you watch that episode, the music
ramps up to when Frohike's about to die,
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then it's almost like it
goes back in reverse,
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like that moment was supposed
to happen, but didn't happen.
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But not today.
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We were glad they got a
reprieve and lived another day.
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So at the beginning of season five, we were
without David and Gillian for a few weeks
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because they were still
filming The X-Files feature film.
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So we had to find
ways to start the series
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so we could debut in time in the
fall, but not have their characters.
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Vince Gilligan, my colleague, came up with
the idea of doing a lone-gunmen episode.
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- You wanna cha-cha?
- Aw time, aw place.
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- Both of you, relax.
- Shut up, you narc.
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It's your fault we're here.
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(Vince) The lone gunmen first appeared as
cameo characters, and I wanted to see more.
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We got our opportunity with
the episode "Unusual Suspects".
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That was an episode that our three
guys carried, and carried it admirably.
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Welcome to the dark side.
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(Frank) Due to the success
of that, we did another one,
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a comedic episode with the lone gunmen
called "Three of a Kind", set in Las Vegas.
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I think that episode
was such a success
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and a pleasure
to write and watch,
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that it really was the spark for the
idea of doing a lone-gunmen TV series.
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Frank Spotnitz, Vince
Gilligan and John Shiban said:
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"We'd like to do a
spin-off of The X-Files
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starring the lone
gunmen." It seemed perfect.
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You wanna know why
Joey Ramone's my hero?
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Cos people like you never
managed to grind him down.
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They never stole his spirit. He never
gave in, never gave up, and never sold out.
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Right till his last breath.
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I'm not sure they got it until we pitched
it. When we sat with the Fox executives
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and pitched broad strokes of the
pilot episode, and the mystery of it.
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Because the three leading
men aren't classical leading men,
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aren't the types of guys
who drive a television series,
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and we all had a hard time
kind of picturing what it would be.
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When we finally did
this episode "Three of a
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Kind" at the end of
season six of The X-Files,
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it became clear what this show could
be - Mission: Impossible with three geeks.
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We knew from the pilot that we needed
someone else for them to play off against,
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and someone who would help
redefine the world of The Lone Gunmen,
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as opposed to the
world of The X-Files,
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and that became the character Zuleikha
Robinson played, Yves Adele Harlow,
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which is an anagram
for Lee Harvey Oswald,
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and we always looked at
her as sort of a competitor.
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You would not know whether she was
good or bad, what side she was fighting on.
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All you knew is she thwarted
their attempts to get their stories.
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(Tom) The first day that Zuleikha
and I met was the day that...
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We were doing the episode
when I was on the wires
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and I end up upside down and she's
dressed up as a guy and she kisses me,
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and she was so bashful about it.
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She felt so badly that we
didn't know one another
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and she had to kiss me while
I was hanging upside down.
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I was the ugliest man I think
I've ever seen in my entire life.
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They put the wig on. I said, "I
don't look so bad with short hair."
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Then they put the moustache on
and I'm just like, "Oh, I'm so ugly",
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and I went outside and was asking
the women if they'd go out with me,
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and they're all just standing there
going... cos I was just so weird-looking.
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You sure that man
was Yves Adele Harlow?
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Trust me. No guy
kisses like that.
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The shot where Frohike was dangling was
kind of fun just because it was so comic.
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It was simple and difficult.
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(man) Wirework
is an alt in itself.
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You can't stick actors
in them and say:
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"Fly around like you
know what you're doing."
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There are artists who
do that, and double actors.
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The fact that he was able to stay in
character, survive a day in the harness,
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which makes your
mid-area really sore,
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and then perform acrobatics that
are actually fun and entertaining...
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He dove in to that role as
though he was made for it.
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(Byers) Frohike? Hang on tight.
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What?
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We did have a stunt
double, but poor Tom had
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to be hanging in
that thing an awful lot.
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I don't remember if he got out of it and
threw up or not, but we were all being...
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from the look on his face, we were
being careful not to stand under him
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after two or three takes.
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- Shut it down!
- Hang on!
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- Shut it down!
- Shut it down!
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ABC Recycling was an
actual car-reclamation thing,
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and it was filthy, it
was wet, it was cold.
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The mud was about this deep,
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and it was toxic mud, because it was full
of rust and gasoline and who knows what.
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- Come on, shut it down.
- Stop, stop!
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It was fun. The director really wanted
me to do it. They had a stunt double.
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I said I would do it, but
I would only do it once.
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If it didn't work, I
wouldn't do it twice.
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There was concerns
cos there was metal,
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so what we had to do is we scraped out a
square area about six to eight feet square,
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and nine inches deep,
and cleared it and put a
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base in there so that
it couldn't be polluted,
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and then we filled it with a
combination of peat moss
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and a special clay and mixed
it all up. So it was all very clean.
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I just went for it, you know. I
sort of figured out the timing on it,
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and we went back and did it in the first
take, and I did the face plant in the mud.
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I guess they were happy with it cos
that's what ended up in the picture.
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This old friend, you know,
run and fall down face first,
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dig his face into the mud
to make sure it's on good,
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and then come up and
then play as if it's not there,
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I can say that I had to cover
my mouth laughing at the monitor,
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and applaud his commitment to
doing it, and fearlessness, also.
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Byers, your flight's gonna
make an unscheduled stop.
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Corner of Liberty and
Washington. Lower Manhattan.
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World Trade Centre. They're gonna crash
the plane into the World Trade Centre.
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We were trying to imagine, you
know, crimes that weren't paranormal,
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that would involve serving terrorism - in
this case, government-sponsored terrorism.
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And so we had the
idea of running an airliner
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into the World Trade
Centre in Manhattan.
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As a writer, particularly on The
X-Files, that's how you spend your day.
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You imagine the unimaginable
and the unthinkable.
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We want to set them up as heroes who will,
unbeknownst to all of us, save the world.
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What would be a terrible,
horrible thing that could happen?
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Unfortunately, it was
the World Trade Centre.
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I have to say, at the time, if it
ever occurred to me, I imagined:
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"Of course the government
has thought about
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this. Of course there
are systems in place..."
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"If we can imagine it, we're
just Hollywood writers."
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"There are people in the Defense Department
charged with defending our country
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who think about these
things and that there
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are things in place to
defend us against it."
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I remember that Mat Beck, who did
our visual effects, flew to New York,
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and buzzed around the World
Trade Centre in a helicopter
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to get all the shots that were used
as plates to cut in with the CGI plane.
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In retrospect, it's
a little bit painful to
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talk about, but I went
there and, you know,
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we did a lot of flying
around and I kept
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doing pass after pass
flying at the building.
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We flew over it
and quite close to it,
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and we got footage that,
you know, was beautiful
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and, in retrospect,
really poignant.
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We got special permits at the
time to go into New York City,
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to have a helicopter shoot at
night heading towards the towers.
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It was... The difficulty
in just mounting
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that and getting the
authorisation to do it,
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and hear, you
know, months later...
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The morning of 9/11, I was
directing an X-Files episode,
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and I woke up to see that on television,
and my first thought was The Lone Gunmen.
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And, you know, of course, my
first thought was, "God, I hope..."
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Cos I didn't know yet
what had happened or why,
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but, "I hope this has nothing
to do with what we did on TV."
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"I hope we aren't somehow
guilty of inspiring this or..."
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It became clear within hours
that we had nothing to do with it,
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but it was a terrible...
obviously a very terrible feeling.
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When you live and work in a
world that has so much imagination,
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and then when reality just comes and
sort of slaps you in the face, it's scary.
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I couldn't bring myself to
even look at that episode again
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until I sat down and prepared
for this interview today.
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Oh, no. No way.
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- Jimmy?
- I wanna help.
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After looking at the pilot,
which we were pleased with,
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we realised we needed one other
character, because the lone gunmen,
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even though we had
separate positions for
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them, they all basically
know the same thing.
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They work for the same newspaper,
have the same beliefs about conspiracies
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and the same knowledge
about computers,
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and they needed somebody
they could explain this stuff to,
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because the audience
doesn't know all these things.
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And so we came up with a character
who would not only serve that function...
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- Stupid, stupid, 5111954-
- (ball beeps in beat)
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(Frank) ..but also
stand in relief to them,
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because he would be a really
classically good-looking guy,
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and could potentially serve as a
love interest for Yves Adele Harlow,
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which was unlikely
for the lone gunmen.
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These boys are
out here because it's
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difficult, because people
say it can't be done.
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They have courage...
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Jimmy Bond had the heart.
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He wasn't really smart, but he
always saw the love and the heart
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and the emotional
side that people had.
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I knew that I was gonna
be in the other episodes.
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A lot of the crew just
thought I was a guest star.
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People were coming up and they
were saying, "Bye. What a great job."
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"It's a funny character too."
"lt'd be nice to see you again."
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Then I came back.
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Monday Night Football better
watch their butts. (Grunts)
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Love this game.
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I didn't know what
people's reactions would
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be to this character
that I'd been working on,
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cos it is a little
absurd and I thought:
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"Well, OK, let's film this
and hope everybody likes it."
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(speaks German)
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(commentator) "I will never
tell you. You'll never find her."
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I love the teaser for
"Eine Kleine Frohike",
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harking back to the old
Fox Movietone News.
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And I love the way our
special-effects team, led by Mat Beck,
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mixed old Movietone footage with
this really hi-tech computer animation,
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maps and stuff of Europe during
the war, that segueways beautifully.
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The child's father was this man.
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You think Frohike could
pass himself off as the son?
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And bring the poisoner
of Alsace to justice.
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Those of us who wrote for the show
were geeks in the best sense of the word,
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in that...
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A geek is someone who's very passionate
about a very small area, or minutiae,
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whether it's computers or cars,
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and I was always a
film geek in a lot of ways,
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and this was an opportunity for me to bring
a lot of influences and play with them.
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No, thanks, Ma. I'm not hungry.
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You have not eaten a
thing since you got here.
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This is made
special. Just for you.
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(John) I'd always been a big fan of the
Eating comedies of the late '40s and '50s -
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British comedies
- Alec Guinness.
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Once we started doing The Lone Gunmen,
it was something that I kept saying:
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"I want to do The Ladykillers."
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- Have you got a girl in there?
- Pardon me?
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(John) For a lot of reasons.
It's an undercover story.
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It's an undercover mission, and
there's so much tension in that,
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and from that, so much
comic possibilities, in my mind.
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Just the character
Frohike is such a...
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He's driven, he's a
little bit of a curmudgeon,
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and the idea to put
him in a situation
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where he has to be
a fish out of water and
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maintain another
identity, I knew it'd be fun.
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But it was so much fun to do,
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and playing with Ruth Manning from
New York, who played the old German Frau,
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she was just a delight.
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She was an absolutely
fantastic person to work with.
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Is that too hot for you?
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It's fine. Could I get
a lime privacy here?
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The idea was
outrageous and foolish,
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and the whole idea of making
me up to look like her son.
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The makeup girls and
the costume people had a
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lot of fun doing all
the different costumes.
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It was a fun, fun
show. It was great.
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Another one of the ideas we had
from the get-go about The Lone Gunmen
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was that we could be
a lot looser in the tone
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of the show than The
X-Files ever could be.
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And so that meant using
a lot more source music.
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There was a music supervisor who found this
most eclectic, bizarre, wonderful stuff.
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We used a music supervisor
named Barklie Griggs,
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who would come up
with dozens of possibilities
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of songs to use
for these pieces,
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and so we had a great
time inserting this music.
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And it was sort of an inspiration to
me, cos when I heard these pieces,
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it made me think, "Boy",
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and I knew that Chris Carter and
company was going for this stuff.
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I knew I could really
step out a bit, you know,
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out on a limb, and
try all kinds of things.
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Chris is enormously interested
in music, and listens to everything
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and is always listening to new music,
so he welcomed the chance to do a show
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where you could use a lot
more contemporary music.
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In the episode that he wrote by himself
- "Three Men and a Smoking Diaper" -
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he specified what all
the tracks would be.
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He knew exactly what he
wanted and wrote for those tracks.
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Sometimes Daddy feels
ill-equipped to bond with baby.
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And that's why we're here today.
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Gentlemen, keep those
nipples high and proud!
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Chris created The X-Files, and he
created that feeling of gloom and despair
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that we love so much
from The X-Files.
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The thing to know about
Chris - he's really a funny guy,
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and that episode is that other side
to him that you don't see that much.
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A lot of bodily-function jokes.
That's the other side to Chris Carter.
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- Melvin, you should be ashamed.
- (baby starts crying)
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How are we supposed to get any
work done? How do we publish our paper
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and root out graft,
corruption and greed for
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our readers if we 're
changing poop y diapers?
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What if this is some kind of
government-bred, superintelligent chimp?
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I'd heard whispers
of this for years.
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The military warns a
perfect undercover operative.
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Imagine what spies they'd be.
Total access. No one would suspect.
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I had the idea for
intelligent animals
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created by the CIA or the Department
of Defense a long time before this,
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and I was thinking
of a straight thriller.
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No one would even know
it was murder. It's brilliant.
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Except for one small detail.
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You can create an intelligent animal,
but you can't be assured of its politics.
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I always say you can tell
chimps are smarter than actors.
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The monkey would get it right on
the first take, then he'd be bored,
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and he couldn't understand
why he had to do it again.
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So you'd see that. You know, you'd
say, "Do this" and he'd do it once,
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but we'd have to take it again
and he'd think of other things to do.
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His trainers would have to
work really hard to get him back
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to do what he was
supposed to be doing.
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When they were
supposed to be typing,
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they would use their strong fingers
to pick off the keys and eat them,
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so they basically just ate
our really great laptops.
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Working with
chimpanzees is not easy,
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so we had a very hard
time executing that show.
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I remember there was one shot
where they wanted to film all the chimps.
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They were all sitting
together drawing.
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So I said, "Let me sit
down with the chimps."
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And it kind of reflects my character,
you know, very similar to the chimps.
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And I was drawing with crayons,
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and this chimpanzee reached over
and he'd take the crayon from me.
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So I'd pick another
one. He was like a kid.
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Every colour that I drew with, he
wanted. He would take it away from me.
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Chimpanzees don't work well in cold
weather. They're not cold-weather animals.
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I mean, that episode focused mainly
and was driven by these chimpanzees.
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I had a call saying, "The chimpanzees
won't work. They won't come out."
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(Vince) There's a scene
toward the end, on the
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bridge, when they're
gonna make the switch,
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the chimp was gonna go
back to his Air Force doctor,
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but it was, I hear, bitterly cold,
and chimps do not like the cold.
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There were special
accommodations made for the chimps.
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Ladies and gentlemen.
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Let's get ready to get married.
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Hold it. One minute. Hey,
hey. Hold it. One minute.
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I object.
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"Madam, I'm Adam" is one of
the craziest hours of TV ever,
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and I'm so glad we got to
somehow get it past the censors.
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(man) At the opening scene there's
a shot of Stephen sitting on the toilet,
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so you know you're in for
quality television when...
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You turn on your television
and there's a man on the toilet,
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it doesn't get any
better than this.
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The humour in that episode is so evil
and nasty and just deliciously bad taste.
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I pitched this idea about a man being
reprogrammed, who's... he's a bad guy.
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He's troubled, and is it right
for society to change a person
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to make society safer, or
do you let the misfits run wild?
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It was a takeoff on Clockwork Orange, sort
of, somebody who was being reprogrammed.
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It became this thing about him arriving
at this house, where he thinks he lives,
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and the original owner coming in behind
him, and it becomes a very funny situation.
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What are you doing
with your hand?
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(screaming)
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Tom Schnauz, who has a
deliciously perverse sense of humour.
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If we worried about Frohike's
reaction to "Eine Kleine Frohike",
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in which he wore lederhosen
and was bathed by an old woman,
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we especially worried about his
reaction to "Madam, I'm Adam",
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where Stephen
Tobolowsky, who is hilarious,
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keeps flashing to a midget
wrestler whenever he sees Frohike.
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Tom Braidwood is
truly a class actor.
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He's a guy who put up with a
lot of indignities, to say the least,
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during the making of the
series, and God bless him for it.
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Cos some of those moments are absolutely
the funniest moments in the series.
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(police sirens)
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We shot quite a long
sequence of a wrestling
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match, that they
had to have for video,
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and I brought in a stunt guy
we have, who was an ex-jockey.
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He's the right size for
this, and he's pretty tough,
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and he went in there with this guy who's
actually done some professional wrestling,
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and the guy didn't
know how to pull a punch
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and he was just hammering the
living heck out of this poor stunt guy.
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We would do a shot, and
then we'd talk about it a bit.
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Our stunt guy'd come back and
he'd go, "This guy's really killing me."
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I'd talk to the wrestler again, they'd go
back and he'd hammer the heck out of him.
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He's just whaling on him and
kicking him and jumping on him.
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You couldn't get him to back away. It was
the toughest day that stunt guy ever had.
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My whole life is gone.
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There's strangers living in my house. Lois,
my wife, I don't know where she is now.
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Neighbours, they don't
know who I am any more.
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He's just a fantastic, funny actor, and
he was just the best casting for the role.
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I mean, I couldn't
imagine a better choice.
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Proof of alien contact.
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Take a look at this.
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I found this in every crevice of
my body all over, everywhere.
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I got a local hairstyling company
who made us 2,000 gallons of blue gel.
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It had nothing else in it. It was
just a blue gel, a clear, blue gel.
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We had to pump it into tanks.
We pumped it on the weekend,
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and the director, Bryan Spicer, came
over on Saturday morning and said:
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"I can't see anything.
You gotta change it."
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We worked all weekend,
and we got this big
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truck, we had to suck
it out, except one tank,
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and filled it with blue water,
so he could see the people in it.
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What we didn't know was
when you'd got 200 gallons of it,
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you couldn't see anything,
so we just changed it.
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The only time we
used the actual gel
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was when we saw him
climbing in and going
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into the bottom, but
the rest of it was water.
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I guess this looks bad.
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We found a house, that they were gonna tear
down, that we could cut the front off of.
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So that house was about to be demolished
and the locations guy found it perfectly,
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so that we could just shear off
the whole front and it comes down.
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00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,919
We only had one take to do that,
of course, as you can well imagine.
404
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,115
Did you let him see your face?
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Here he comes.
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00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,396
Whoa. What's he doing?
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00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,552
"Diagnosis, Jimmy",
as in Diagnosis: Murder.
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It didn't hurt that it was
gonna save us some money.
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00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,712
It had some very clear James-Bondian
elements in the ski chase.
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00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,315
We were looking to
give Steve Snedden more
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of a showcase episode,
to really feature him.
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He didn't see me. There
must be something else.
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I'll find out what.
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We got to go up in
Vancouver, up on the mountain,
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filmed two days in the
snow, which was a challenge.
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I'd never shot in the
snow before. It was fun.
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(man) Action.
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Did that work?
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(Vince) They shot the skiing scenes
up in Whistler, up north of Vancouver.
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I think it was one of those situations
where we wrote Jimmy and Yves skiing
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before we ever
asked the two actors,
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Zuleikha or Stephen Snedden,
whether or not they could ski.
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The scene where
I ski into the tree...
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Of course, I just kind of ski a couple feet
and then they put in someone and he skis,
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and there's a rope
that yanks him back.
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I was blown away.
I kept thinking,
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if he just leaned forward too
far he'd hit himself on the nose.
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Jimmy had a ski accident
and ended up in the hospital.
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- You going to be all right?
- Yeah, sure.
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(John) It's a challenge
when a character's immobile,
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and I kept, again, going
back to what inspires me.
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I kept watching Rear Window, and
thinking, "How do you solve this problem?"
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A lot of it is what he sees and reacts to,
even though he can't move, and hears.
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And so we tried to build set
pieces around what he sees on TV,
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his suspicions of the doctor, what he
hears from the next bed with the old man,
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who may or may not
be the victim, etcetera.
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The toughest part was actually
that they put me in a real cast.
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So I would have to
show up, put a cast on,
439
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,433
and then they would saw the cast
off and do the same thing the next day.
440
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,229
Say something.
Testing, one, two, three.
441
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,675
(Skinner's voice)
Testing, one, two, three.
442
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:56,119
This is Walter freakin' Skinner of the
FBI, and I am going to prison, big time.
443
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,750
"The Lying Game" was a fun one
because we worked with Mitch Pileggi,
444
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,434
and it was so much fun
to have him in that episode.
445
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,160
Mr Skinner, would you
explain what is going on?
446
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,359
You are interfering with an FBI
sting operation. That's what's going on.
447
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,670
You put an undercover
operative in danger.
448
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,639
At Ten Thirteen we'd always
been against crossovers.
449
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,189
We resisted them
throughout Millennium.
450
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,590
They'd been suggested
and we never did one.
451
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,231
Only after Millennium ended did we
bring over Lance Henriksen to The X-Files.
452
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,516
With Lone Gunmen
we felt differently.
453
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,151
We thought crossovers would be fun, because
it's comedy, it's a different genre.
454
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,550
So.
455
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,395
What's on for
tonight? Who do we...
456
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,275
What evil deeds are afoot?
457
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:42,354
It was so good to
see Mitch get to be
458
00:27:42,366 --> 00:27:44,752
funny, because Mitch
in person is hilarious.
459
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,710
He's absolutely not
Assistant Director Skinner.
460
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,271
Ara, buddy. Come on, will you...
Ow! Ow, ow, ow. OK, that hurt.
461
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:58,672
He's playing me playing him.
462
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,400
The funny thing was
Mitch is such a nice guy,
463
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,154
and he watched tapes of
me and my performances.
464
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:09,394
- Can I get anybody anything?
- Yeah, what the hey. I'll have a...
465
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,074
A Cuba libre.
466
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,596
Uh... Pretty cool, huh?
467
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,435
We had Mitch, who's a trouper,
a really great guy to work with.
468
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,673
We lined him up and we shot
him with and without a terrible mask,
469
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,434
and then in order to
make the sequence work,
470
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,832
we actually had to take
footage of him performing
471
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,878
and track it onto a
computer-generated face,
472
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,952
so that we had control
over the surfaces,
473
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,352
and that allowed him
to actually deliver a line,
474
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,592
and then have his mouth
pull off and deliver a line again.
475
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,231
Frohike, the radar composite
is in the CD. Get that CD.
476
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,312
I had this idea about them going
undercover and something to do with dance,
477
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:08,429
and I seem to remember
pitching it being in a disco,
478
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,673
and luckily Frank
Spotnitz said, "Tango".
479
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,640
(Frank) The tango episode
is one of my favourites,
480
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,749
because it gave Zuleikha Robinson so
much to do - I know she loved doing it-
481
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,400
and because it got to
deepen the romance
482
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,472
between her and Jimmy Bond
- Steve Snedden's character.
483
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,870
The tango is such
a beautiful dance,
484
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:35,592
and, you know, for Yves's character
to actually do something normal...
485
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,560
I think, for me, that was the
best part about the whole show.
486
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,793
The guy they cast to play
opposite me was a fantastic dancer.
487
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,520
He was a salsa dancer.
He was John Vargas.
488
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:53,676
It was very challenging because we really
didn't have much time to learn this dance.
489
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,037
Had to learn how to do an
Elvis impersonation pretty quick.
490
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,557
Then I had to learn how to
tango dance - two or three lessons.
491
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,077
I had a great partner, great people
teaching, and out of necessity, you learn.
492
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,272
But that frightened
me, cos I'm not much of
493
00:30:09,284 --> 00:30:12,554
a dancer, especially,
I'd never tango danced.
494
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,916
We had to spend
hours learning to tango,
495
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:20,234
for what was a 30-second
opening bit, or something like that.
496
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,915
I'm a terrible dancer, and I
hated learning how to tango.
497
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,949
The woman I danced with in the teaser was
the one who taught me. She was really good.
498
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:34,240
It was nice, because all I had to do was
the basic moves and she'd dance around me.
499
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,039
This crash course on
learning how to dance.
500
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,717
Once the guys learned that really in
the tango the woman does all the work
501
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,792
and you just stand there
like an idiot and look good.
502
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,157
Depending on how good she
dances, that's how good you look.
503
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,312
I don't want to brag, but
that was me doing the splits.
504
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,480
Arghg!
505
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,074
I have a bit of dance
training in my background.
506
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:01,280
Not that you can tell from that shot,
but I did four years of modern dance
507
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,752
and three years of ballet, as a
double major with my theatre degree.
508
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,959
So when they said, "Oh, just make
up any sort of dancing you want",
509
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,910
that is the result of
thousands of dollars of tuition.
510
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,430
(in Spanish)
511
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,937
One of the funny
ideas of that script was
512
00:31:23,949 --> 00:31:26,674
that Frohike was this
incredible tango dancer,
513
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,912
and that he had this very hot
Latin lover that he'd abandoned
514
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,470
and he had to go back and
pick up the mantle again,
515
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,313
which was just hilarious.
516
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:42,956
The idea that Frohike had had this
deep, platonic relationship with this woman
517
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,954
was kinda fun to work on,
you know, it was enjoyable.
518
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,829
(in Spanish)
519
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,073
It just thematically was the
perfect choice for an episode,
520
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,278
because it's all about
loneliness and isolation,
521
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,389
and these characters - Yves and the gunmen
themselves - they're lonely characters.
522
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,279
That's why the episode
is so sad in the end.
523
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,830
Yves and Santavos - two lonely
characters - make a connection,
524
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,278
but Yves is doing it
to get to another end,
525
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,558
but she ultimately has
romantic feelings for Santavos.
526
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,057
So that's what makes
it really sad in the end,
527
00:32:22,069 --> 00:32:24,871
when he takes a knife
in the back for her.
528
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,517
(Vince) Bryan Spicer, our
linchpin producer/director,
529
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,197
who directed most of the
Lone Gunmen episodes,
530
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,840
every time we'd do
one, he'd outdo himself.
531
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,391
But that one in particular, the
tango-contest sequence at the end,
532
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,869
I think he had half
a day to shoot it.
533
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,839
We only have seven days of
prep and eight days to shoot,
534
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,675
and the script was changing as we
were going, and it was challenging.
535
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,479
But we learned a lot
about tango and dancing,
536
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,350
and we were able to utilise the camera
movement and make it sexy and make it flow
537
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,080
and make it a really neat piece.
538
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:06,030
I got choked up every time I watched the
final dance with her and Steve Snedden.
539
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,398
I actually lost an argument about
that, because originally it was scripted
540
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,868
that he gets to dance
with her at the end,
541
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,395
and she's heartbroken
about what's happened.
542
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,474
And they dance, and it's a nice moment,
and then he stumbles - ever the klutz.
543
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,951
And I was insistent
that we had to preserve
544
00:33:21,963 --> 00:33:24,589
that stumble, and they
didn't want to shoot it.
545
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,038
They really wanted to preserve the niceness
of that moment, but they shot it for me,
546
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,636
and I saw both of them and I
realised that they were right.
547
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,356
With Jimmy Bond,
there was a lot of jealousy
548
00:33:36,368 --> 00:33:39,353
about Yves falling
for someone else.
549
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,831
Then the tragedy at the end.
550
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:48,632
But it was a great episode and I felt like
we were really getting into our groove.
551
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,590
We were really figuring
out what we wanted to do
552
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,629
and how we wanted to continue
the show and approach things.
553
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,112
(Vince) Our strongest
episode is "Al| About Yves" -
554
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,431
the one that should
have ended the series.
555
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,437
See that it gets
to Agent Mulder.
556
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,479
"Al| About Yves" was kind of the
beginning about "Al| About Yves",
557
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,029
and we never really
got into it that much.
558
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:22,399
We find out that she has a father
and he's this kind of ominous presence.
559
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,915
What about Romeo 61?
560
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,435
Someone who's been looking
for me for quite some time now.
561
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,150
Which means if we can't track
down Byers, Frohike and Langly...
562
00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:32,560
They'll kill them.
563
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,031
It took a while for the
character to find itself.
564
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,990
At first, she was simply just a
nemesis, a very pretty nemesis,
565
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,153
which was counterpoint to
us rough-and-tumble guys,
566
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:49,996
but then she grew and
became an interesting character.
567
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,759
But, hey, you know,
I'm not the hardware guy.
568
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,195
Tell us everything.
569
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,271
(yells)
570
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,556
(screams)
571
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,635
They made these little appliances, and
it's basically just thin rubber around here
572
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:11,953
with little nodes to attach
the fishing-line stuff with.
573
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,835
We're betting that you need us.
574
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,752
Oh? And why's that?
575
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,116
Romeo 61.
576
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,959
(Byers) You're
soared of it, aren't you?
577
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,112
(Il/lichael) The lone gunmen
were growing when it was cancelled.
578
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,430
They were becoming
more and more defined.
579
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,229
We felt like we found our groove
and that the show was really working.
580
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,793
The ratings were acceptable and good
and as good as X-Files in the early days.
581
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,557
(Frank) We wanted to give
The Lone Gunmen a big finish,
582
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,519
and we knew that we'd
sort of let down our fans
583
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,592
by ending the Lone Gunmen
series with a "to be continued".
584
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,275
And there was a tremendous
battle royal with the studio
585
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,239
about bringing The
Lone Gunmen back at all.
586
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,556
(Frank) And then what
we attempted to do
587
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,396
was blend them into the fabric of The
X-Files at that point, which was not easy.
588
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,040
(Bruce) It was the
ninth season of X-Files,
589
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:13,274
they wanted to finish everything off
and they wanted close that loophole,
590
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,478
so they did an episode
called "Jump the Shark",
591
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,153
where they kind of tied up the loose
threads of the Lone Gunmen series
592
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:24,358
in an X-Files sort of way.
593
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,559
They brought back Morris
Fletcher to kind of tie it all in,
594
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,555
and Zuleikha and Stephen, and
sort of wrote an end to the series.
595
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,873
The decision to kill them off was made
because we didn't want to dishonour them
596
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,951
with sort of a tepid ending.
597
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,475
It was their last
appearance in the series.
598
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,519
We didn't know if there'd be any life
for The X-Files beyond that season,
599
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,538
so we wanted to give
them a proper heroes'
600
00:36:49,550 --> 00:36:52,710
exit, and that's why
we decided to kill them.
601
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,192
I felt like it would be the ultimate
tribute to these unsung heroes,
602
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,910
in that, if these guys really are
the guys who are saving the world,
603
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,551
and they're willing to sacrifice
themselves, there's nothing more heroic.
604
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,438
Guys?
605
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,478
(alarm bell)
606
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,670
I was actually quite thankful that
we got an awesome death scene,
607
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,513
cos, you know, if we
didn't it would just be:
608
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,514
"Oh, the gunmen walk off into the
sunset with a stick and a hobo bag."
609
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,436
That would have been a lame sendoff, so
it was something heroic and phenomenal,
610
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,672
but as you know, in science
fiction no one is ever dead.
611
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,550
I mean, level-five quarantine coffins
are supposed to be fitted to the person.
612
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,551
All the coffins
are the same size.
613
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,792
One of the gunmen is
shorter than the others. Huh?
614
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,269
Maybe our bodies
aren't in those things.
615
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,716
With purest intentions, we wanted
them to go out on a high note,
616
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,155
we wanted them to be
recognised as heroes,
617
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:56,374
and that ending with
them being buried in
618
00:37:56,386 --> 00:37:59,839
Arlington, you know,
heroes, national heroes,
619
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:04,835
was a high point, but
very bittersweet as well.
620
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,556
I think it was the right
thing to do. We tied
621
00:38:07,568 --> 00:38:10,393
up some loose ends in
the final X-Files episode.
622
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,629
Why risk your lives?
623
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:15,714
- Because I need to know the truth.
- You already know the truth.
624
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,474
We have been very blessed, both
with The X-Files and with Lone Gunmen
625
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,872
to have very loyal,
smart, supportive fans.
626
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,999
And the fans of Lone Gunmen have
been particularly vocal and active,
627
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,675
and loved these characters and
supported the show when it was on.
628
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,512
We're right there with them.
629
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,838
We would have loved
to have brought it back,
630
00:38:38,850 --> 00:38:41,151
and still would, if
there was a way to do it.
631
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:44,312
- When we started it was a day player.
- We were day players.
632
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,199
And what did we get?
Nine years and a spin-off.
633
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:53,117
- We're the luckiest day players around.
- Ready for that next day-player role.
634
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,999
- We are a bit of a fairy tale come true.
- Yeah.
635
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,271
- Including the frog prince and everything.
- Yeah.
636
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,319
- It has been fun.
- Yeah, fun. That's the word.
637
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,311
- Well, that's it.
- Thank you.
638
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,791
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