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I definitely did not, please.

Holy shit.

Eric had nothing else going on, and I was an easy target.

Yeah, she wants to play this villain now that everyone thought was cool. She was

smoking, so now she walks around puffing her cigarette, acting like an asshole

because people thought it was cool. You have fun with that. This is about the

three of us coming apart.

I'm ready.

Tonight, the three -part Beverly Hills reunion begins.

Do you think he was emotionally abusive to you, Tom?

Kyle, if you do file for divorce, will you be asking for half of the agency?

Well, it's mine.

Did he realize that?

You accused her of lashing out. In order to save my job, I fucking came unglued.

Do you want to apologize?

Apologize for what, Andy?

She's saying that it made her flip.

I didn't say it was a failure. Yes, you did.

Get over it. Don't talk behind my back. I fucking told him.

I'm very sorry.

But do you mean it?

No, Erica. I'm a cold -hearted fucking cunt.

I really like that word.

Taking my selfie.

Well, hi, Miss Brown. Beverly Hills is in the house, I see.

So pretty.

Look at this showgirl.

Wow.

Hi. You look great.

Thank you. Wow. It's time to put a show on.

This is very heavy, I think. Dude, it's 74 pounds. This dress is going to be

hot. Oh, my God, you guys. This is what Rachel Doe wears to a reunion.

Yes.

Who is it, Rachel?

This is vintage Jim Endell. Oh, it's really gorgeous. Oh, my gosh.

Not the car on the set.

I've never had that before.

Look at you matching the car.

I really like it.

Everybody looks gorgeous.

Hello, everyone.

It's so cool.

Hi, Dorit.

Here, I'm going to go this way.

All right, we're waiting for the money queen. Hey, Dorit, guess what? You

weren't the last one. I know, baby.

Hey, money queen.

Hi, how are you?

Hello. Hello. Hello.

Are you ready?

I guess.

Yes, I am.

Camera's up. And to Andy in 3, 2, 1.

Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 15

reunion. I'm Andy Cohen, and here's what I'm manifesting today.

Friendship, conflict, followed by resolution.

And our set is manifesting the iconic Rodeo Drive.

Good evening, ladies.

Good evening, Andy.

Hi, Rachel Joan. Hi, Andy. Everyone's obsessed with your boys.

Oh, me too.

They love their mom.

Has Skylar bought an Hermes bangle for any girls lately? No, I have to say when

that's okay.

Skylar, I love this.

Don't just buy any random girl an Hermes bracelet.

Okay. Did he use his allowance?

He did.

That's really good.

Hey, Amanda, welcome to your first reunion.

Thank you. What are you manifesting for today?

Be myself.

Say the truth.

Maybe have some fun.

Okay. Hi, Sutton Brown.

Hello. Sutton Brown's first reunion.

Yes. Easy breezy. Easy breezy. Hi, Erica.

Hey. How you doing? I'm good.

How is DJing going?

Honey, I had two fabulous weeks in Australia. Oh, yeah.

I had the best time. Look, I get to wear

latex and play other people's records and have a good time. I like it. Hi,

Hello. Let's see that ring.

Wow. Exciting.

Beautiful. I do have a special request. Oh, okay.

For my Beverly Hills wedding.

I would love for you to DJ part of the wedding. Absolutely.

Consider it done. Thank you. Thank you. That's so great.

Hi, Dory. Hi, Andy. Great to see you. Good to see you. How are you feeling

tonight? Good. Good. Great. Hi, Kyle. Hi, Andy. Kyle, you are officially

longest running consecutive housewife across all franchises. Wow. This is your

15th season, 15th straight reunion.

How does it feel?

I'm still standing.

She deserves applause.

That's an achievement.

So before we get into it, I just want to talk about where everyone stands

because the once rock -solid friendships of Kyle, Dorit, and Erica were

shaken, which impacted really the whole group.

Do you all think that we can land in a positive spot by the end of the day?

I would love that.

You would? Of course I would love that.

What do you think, Dorit? I mean, listen, I'd always love that, but you

be realistic, you know.

See how the day goes.

Erica? I don't have much hope.

Really? No.

Okay.

When new housewife Rachel Zoe saw how excited fans were that she was back on

Bravo, she probably said, I'm dead. I can't. Are you okay?

And while the other women marveled at how stylish and put together their new

friend was, Rachel's home life was undergoing a painful new makeover. Take

look. Oh, God.

Hello. My name is Rachel Doe. You may or may not remember me from Bravo because

I've lived here before.

I'm so crazy.

Oh my God, I have that bag. I'm a little bit in awe of her because she is one of

the most famous stylists in Hollywood.

People are always like, oh my God, you have it so together. But on the inside,

I'm like, oh my God, I'm like crumbling.

I think we've outgrown each other.

He's always been grateful, Dad, and I've always been St. Bart. Do you know that

my ex has this girlfriend, right?

My kids are leaving.

She fucking appears.

Dad was there, and it was just like, this is my friend, and it was like, hi,

I was like, hi, and I just looked away, and I was like, oh, that's the person.

It's an absolute myriad of bad decisions that have been made over the last

month, the last week, the last fucking hour that would trigger me to move

things forward.

it's everywhere like it's everywhere he will be the greatest disappointment of

my life forever i'm great i'm great it came as no

surprise uh the bravo verse was very excited to welcome you back into the

what did that tidal wave feel like honestly the love has

truthfully been overwhelming.

And I think it's part of the fear of coming back in is, you know, having

survived the tabloid era of being the subject of fodder a lot.

I came in like they're going to come for me. They're going to hate me. So it was

scary. But I also feel that I was a lot more open than I thought I would be.

You were a lot more open truthfully than I thought you were going to be to tell

you the truth. Was there any part of you that Wanted to get back at Roger

by coming on the show? No.

Not even a little.

I have to assume, though, that now that the show is airing, is he seeing things

and getting upset?

Yeah. I think he hears.

I'm sure that people tell him.

You know, listen, the only thing I could say very honestly is some really bad

things happened in real time this summer that were quite shocking, and there's a

lot that I didn't say.

Do you regret it? Do you regret being open?

I don't really regret anything that I said because I definitely meant it. And

honestly don't mean it. But look, here's the thing. The truth is painful

sometimes. Yeah. But overall, definitely not. Because I think if it helps as

many people as I would like it to, then I think that's great.

And you know.

And it helps you. Moving on to your divorce, we saw you file on the show.

Is it resolved yet? No, but soon.

We know that you weren't happy when Roger's new girlfriend saw the boys at

airport. Do you have a relationship with her at all?

Are you okay? I do okay. Are you okay?

Steve and I married coming up. Andy.

I have to ask. No.

No. And not ever.

And no.

Does he have any relationship with your parents?

No.

My dad can't really.

My mother is more able to talk to him because for her, she's very much like

he's the father of my grandchildren. So I did have him at Thanksgiving because

my mother, we were all in Miami, and he happened to have been there with a

friend, like a guy friend. And my mother was basically like, we need to invite

him at least for dessert or whatever. And I did, and he stayed. I thought it

going to be dessert, but it was.

From 9 to, like, 1 a .m. Wow. And Roger's relationship with the boys is...

good now. Better. Much, much better.

Good.

Rachel, when you shared your story about a pre -engagement hookup with a model,

Kyle, you said in an interview, what kind of marriage are you setting

up for?

I cheated on you, and guess what? I got a big diamond the next day.

I mean, that's sort of setting the precedent, no?

For diamonds.

You cheat and you get diamonds. No. That's great.

But here's the thing. I met him when I was 19.

For me to have made out with one guy in the span of 34 years. Oh, I thought you

had sex with somebody.

Girl. No.

I said we fooled around.

Oh, I thought sex. That's why I was like, wow. Well, I was wrong. No, that

have been a whole different conversation.

In happy news.

You were recently photographed on a red carpet with some guy called Sasha.

Is that a thing?

Do you have something to tell me? I'm hot. What did she say?

It was a friend.

Kim from Cincinnati said, wait, is Rachel dating a life coach who sells

courses like Amanda?

I would die.

Kim from Cincinnati said, wait, is Rachel dating a life coach who sells

courses like Amanda?

I would die.

Is that what he does? He's more of a...

It's more of

like a mind -body alignment, basically.

Alignment? Basically getting people back to a place of, you know, center of

forgiveness, things like that. I'm not a client.

He's a friend. Okay. You do know how many times I've said he's a friend. A

good -looking, tall friend. Okay. All right. Well, I'm going to move on.

With a husband in prison and a $25 million lawsuit on the horizon, the past

few years have given Erica a million different reasons to keep her walls

up. Sorry for that transition. I am laughing at this. But after decades of

walking on thin ice with Tom, A new gentleman in Erica's life melted this

queen's heart. Watch.

This is an intro.

Okay, Erica.

Yeah. Who is this guy that the picture of the paparazzi caught you with the

other day?

What stood out most in those pictures was the fact that Erica had not a stitch

of makeup, she was dressed totally down, and the guy was wearing crockery.

When I saw that picture, I thought she's so comfortable.

Yeah, you looked very comfortable. And I felt like you felt safe with him.

Yeah, there was no guard up. Erica, have you ever felt like you didn't have to

have your guard up? Not in a long time.

I know that you're so over everything with Tom.

Oh, I'm not over that.

I'm heartbroken.

Uh -huh.

Knowing he's going to die in prison. Right. That's heavy.

Certainly Tom's story.

is ending.

Mine is still ongoing.

I saw this thing about Erica and I texted her. I'm worried about her.

Erica Jane headed to trial over $25 million spent during Tom Girardi's

Wait, wait, I don't understand. She's headed to trial.

What, do they think they're going to get $25 million from her back?

I wanted to talk to you about the black eye I saw.

I wanted you to know.

I went through this too.

There's a lot of shame around that, getting hit or choked or kicked.

What happened to you, look, you were very lucky that you survived.

And by speaking about it, that's the first step in letting go of it.

Are you sure I did the right thing?

I'm 100 % positive.

Sure. Yeah.

I know it for sure.

Okay.

All right.

Erica,

I want to start by saying first how sorry and sad I am that you had to go

through such a horrible experience.

I also want to acknowledge how brave it was of you to share your story so

publicly.

Why did you feel like you wanted to share that?

Well, I'd held it for a long time.

And had Denise not said anything, I probably wouldn't have said anything

Mm -hmm. What has the reaction been like from viewers?

The one silver lining has been very positive. Thank you for coming forward.

too, have had this experience. And I think, you know, no one should have that

experience. But it's much more common than we know.

How did you get out of the relationship, if you don't mind me asking? I called

the cops.

You called the cops?

Yeah, that's how you get out.

You must have been so scared.

Yeah, terrified.

I gave this person a chance to leave.

They did not.

And I was like, fuck, no, man.

Okay. I have to call 911.

So after this aired, you didn't hear from this person?

No.

No. Were you worried about that?

It definitely occurred.

You know, I thought, how do I say this?

You don't know what someone will do.

You know, you just don't know.

And if they've shown you a certain pattern of behavior.

Just to say that it won't escalate. Uh -huh.

So it definitely was a concern of mine. You had said in the therapy session that

your mom didn't know about the abuse. Did you talk to her before the show

No.

My mother... Mom, you're the most...

Clutch mother ever my mom is terrible at everyday shit. She fills up in crisis

like no other. Thank you mommy How did she show up she text me she said Erica?

I'm so sorry.

I am so sorry for you, and she did not Chastise me why didn't you come to me?

How could you not say anything? She was so cool and so loving and I just cannot

thank her enough for that Who in the circle knew about this?

Well, the three of us were going to go on a trip. They were supposed to come to

Aspen with me.

And we couldn't leave at the right time.

And I panicked.

And I said, I need to leave town.

And I told them why. And I want to say, you and I spoke privately. And you go,

Erica, why didn't you say anything? And I said, Andy, the level of shame.

The level of shame that comes with this.

But you know what I realized?

through this DV shame, it also brought up a whole lot of other shame. Shame

about Tom.

You know, I walked on ice a lot with Tom.

Like, looking back at it, you know, it's always been ice. It was constantly an

interrogation. It was constantly, you know, a battle, you know?

Do you think he was emotionally abusive to you, Tom?

Yeah.

And financially abusive.

And, you know, Tom one time did not talk to me for six weeks.

And we lived in the same house. That's crazy.

That's such an emotional thing.

You know, as sweet as Tom could be, it's as vicious as Tom could be.

Were you nervous about appearing on camera with him? Oh, fuck yes.

You were?

Yes, because what if I said the wrong thing?

Right.

But he never thought I'd get on the show.

I remember him telling me after my first interview, you're not going to get this

job. Oh, that's nice.

Then when I said, oh, you know, I got the job. What an ass.

He was kind of like, you got the job.

Well, he's not going to tell me no.

You know, so I came on the cast.

When I think back about your first few seasons on the show, he would come

when you were performing and he would play this part of this, like, proud

husband. Sorry -eyed husband, yeah.

I was really proud of you. Were you? Yeah. Thank you. That was cool. Thank

I appreciate that.

You know how many times I've wondered how much of that was an act?

Oh. In the moment, did you wonder?

You know, you want to believe.

That your partner loves and supports you, but you know when it was fucked up

Which is it's very obvious when you said to me. I didn't like it that Tom didn't

come see you on Broadway. Yeah, I did like He also did not read my book I

remember yeah, and by the way you were cleaning up that mess on the couch And I

was saying to you. I think that's weird and you were like do you what is Tom

think he hasn't read it either? No one's read it No one's read it in my family.

I think that's weird.

Yeah, what's weird about it?

I was riding for him very hard. Yeah.

Having that hindsight and being able to look at it. You know, I was in the

Tom Girardi influence.

You told Sutton that you don't believe that visiting Tom will give you closure.

No, I do not. Especially since he may not even remember who you are.

If there was one question that you could ask him.

What would it be?

You told Sutton that you don't believe that visiting Tom will give you closure.

No, I do not. Especially since he may not even remember who you are.

If there was one question that you could ask him.

What would it be?

Wow, that's a good question.

Why?

Why?

Why would you throw me out like that?

You know?

Because... If you think about it, like I'm in an almost impossible situation.

I'm swimming under all of these lawsuits.

And the $26 million thing has been for years. They sued me for that right away.

And that's coming up? Yeah.

Worst possible case.

You have found that you owe somebody $25 million.

What the hell do you do then? File for bankruptcy? You can file for bankruptcy

or you can fight it out in court. And you can... Duke it out.

You know, you can go to trial.

You can cut a deal. You can die in the streets. I have no idea.

Dorit, in Italy, you questioned whether Erica was actually going through

a fuck ton.

She's going through a fuck ton.

We're all going through a fuck ton, Rachel.

You're going through a fuck ton?

Surely you knew that she was going through stuff. So what did you mean by

So, you know, first of all, when I was in Italy, I had a lot on my mind.

We had been talking a lot the three weeks leading up to Italy.

And there was no mention of the trial coming up. In fact, the first time I

it was in the Hamptons when Rachel saw it in the tabloids.

Eric and I never spoke about it.

So that was not even the top of my mind. If I'm not having the conversation, I'm

not thinking about it.

Your reaction was? On the one hand, I can see why she's got her own problems

she's very self -involved.

On the other hand, I've been talking about this shit for six years.

Not really.

Yeah, I've been going through it. This case has been around a long time.

But I also don't expect you to be keeping up with every fucking thing I'm

However, we have talked about it. And whether we talked about it five months

or two years ago, we're close.

Yeah, no, I know.

That's why it hurts.

I love you, and I'm scared for you.

I don't want to overload my friends all the time.

Well, I'm sorry you're going through it. But we also shouldn't have to mention

it all the time to have our friends be sympathetic. Right.

We're all going through stuff.

So, Kyle, you said Dorit never once asked about how you're doing this year.

Ladies, does anyone feel like Dorit took the time to ask about their lives, or

was she in her own moment?

Well, I clearly say, yeah, she did. Right.

That I didn't ask Kyle how... No, me.

You said he just asked you. Well, you know, Kyle doesn't talk about her life.

That's not... And she doesn't... I, listen, I don't talk about my separation

much as you, but I'm also not asked. You know, I have had stuff going on, too,

and I do feel that you...

are so wrapped up in your own situation that you're not realizing that other

people are going through a lot of stuff, too. Yeah, well, she said that at the

table. You know, Bo's is going through, you know, the fertility.

And what Erica's going through. And Sutton. Everybody here.

Sorry. And it didn't feel like you were... Sorry, Bo, please.

Oh, yeah, no. No, no, no. I don't think I was part of the question. No, no, she

said everyone has something going on.

I didn't say you did not. You're suggesting that I don't care. Oh, I'm

suggesting you don't care about Bo's.

I'm saying we all have stuff, but I'm a very, very empathetic person. In fact, I

don't think there's a single person here that would suggest that I wouldn't be

interested or care about things that other people are going through.

So I resent that. I always have thought that about you. I think what you're

going through right now has made you less like that.

I know that everyone has stuff going on in their lives. And my point was, I

think that you are so...

in the zone with your issue that you're not thinking about that with other

people. Right, and I'm telling you you're wrong.

Okay. Okay. This year, as I have said multiple times and again. Yes, I know

weren't going through it. Okay, so I was overwhelmed. But when I got to Italy,

it was a different ballgame. Okay, I want to bring it back to our current

relationship. It's been how long?

Since June, July.

Nine months. Nine months, yeah.

Yeah.

That's great. Thank you. How are things going in the relationship?

Thank you so much. It's good. Has your son met him? Yes. And what does your son

think? Oh my God, you're talking to like the ultimate G .I. Joe. My son's

probably more in love with this man than I could ever be.

Wow.

Let's call him G .I. John.

G .I. John.

That's a good nickname.

How has what happened to you impacted who you are in your current

relationship? I really enjoy the men that I'm dating.

And so I don't have those same concerns.

You feel safe.

I do. You feel safe.

Things seem to be going well. Day by day. Day by day.

We're going to leave it there. We'll be right back.

I need everyone to step out, please. We got to go. We got an hour.

That's the Chanel makeup kit that you used three minutes ago.

Three. Did I give you that makeup kit for that Chanel cosmetic bag?

I did.

Doctor.

That's how much you've meant to me.

Same.

What? What's happening?

You get what you get.

Some weird shit, Erica.

Coming up.

I can afford to spend $4 ,000 being judged especially from you, out of all

people. By the way, I'm not in the same financial position as you. I'm sorry.

We are back with the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

Last year, Dorit iconically dragged a cigarette, but this season her friends

warned her against dragging PK too hard in public.

And as Dorit sought to be unburdened financially via an exciting new book

she couldn't help but feel like Kyle was reading right from PK's playbook. Watch

this.

When I saw PK kissing that scene version of Dorit, First, I rolled my eyes.

Then I threw up a little.

The next day, you filed.

It was that day.

You know, I'm hearing, like, complete the opposite, that Drew is putting him

through a really hard time, making it hard for him to see the kids.

Last year, she was saying things that, you know, obviously came out, you know,

how he's parenting and things like that.

That makes me nervous.

It's adding fuel to the fire.

I just don't think it's smart to be speaking so negatively about your ex so

publicly.

It's going to make your divorce down the line much more difficult.

Do you remember when you and I had dinner and I

said to you, I don't think it's a good idea to bash the father of your

Why do you think I said that? Do I remember that? I can remember.

I think when it comes to anything about this divorce between Dorit and PK, Kyle

should just be quiet because there's no winning here.

What you have kicked off and started is what's really

going to come back and kick me in the ass. Go up, Sheree.

Okay, so Dory, you said that what Kyle is doing is going to come back and bite

you in the ass. Has that happened?

Oh, yeah.

In what way?

Well, PK was sending me clearly...

Kyle was relaying information to Mo about me in the season, and PK was

me towards the end of the season, saying, apparently, you're not doing so

Apparently, you know. I didn't say anything about that.

Oh, he just, I mean, PK just, poof, got it out of the sky. No. He's a psychic.

No, someone's saying something that's not me.

Okay, well, anyway. So you can't keep saying things that you've been. I can

you that now that it's, listen, you have to be, you know, for somebody who's so

concerned. If she doesn't realize that suggesting that I am erratic, that

I'm not myself, not once thinking she's in an acrimonious divorce. I'm not in

your situation. I filed for divorce.

Telling me, you told me once in private. That's why we're telling you don't fuel

the fire.

So then why do you think fueling the fire by suggesting that I am erratic, by

making sure. I already said that was the wrong choice of words, but she's going

to hear this too. Kyle, making it a storyline.

Yeah, and you know what you didn't see? Is that they were having that

conversation with me as well, and that part wasn't filmed.

You missed it last night.

I lost Dory.

I'm not kidding, for like 45 minutes.

Where did you find her?

In the fucking smoking section outside.

Like, but here's the thing. Had I known there was a smoking section, that would

have been the first place I looked.

She disappears sometimes.

But like, you can't do that. I had a fucking heart attack.

Like, you can't do that.

You keep saying this.

So I'm going to go to each and every one. Amanda, did you go to Kyle and say,

Dorit is acting erratic, manic?

Did you go to her? No, she didn't say those words. I had my own words. Did you

go to Kyle?

Dorit, that's not what I'm saying. Stop saying you didn't see them coming to me.

I used my words that I already told you, but you don't listen. Kyle, you don't

realize that what you're saying.

Related it to my own experience and I even said this and I even said this a

number of times I equated it to how I felt after my separation that I was I

tend to get OCD and you know like all over the place like III mean I get very

ADHD and I might not

clear and, you know, maybe working out too much and, like, not focused and,

like, all over the place and scattered.

That's what I meant. And it became this big, huge thing that it shouldn't have

been. The word erratic. It's not a big, huge thing, Kyle.

It's not a big, because you made it. It's not that big of a fucking deal.

explain to you why it's a big deal. Bo talked about her financial concerns. She

came and she told me, never mind. Leave Bo out of it. Point at this, Kyle. You

know full well. You're trying to just focus on me and make me laugh out when I

wasn't saying things to be bossy or mean about you.

Okay. Kyle, do me a favor.

Let's stick with one thing right now. I'm making one point. Okay. I spent $4

,000 in one of Rachel's friends' shops that they cleared for us to shop.

Nobody bought anything but me.

I didn't want us to go into that shop and not buy anything. They had cute

things. I can afford to spend $4 ,000.

I'm very lucky to. Yeah. Being judged by you, having you go and speak to the

girls, the group, about, oh, it's a lot of money she's spending.

Kyle, especially from you out of all people. Let me ask you a question. By

way, I'm not in the same financial position as you. I'm sorry.

How do you know my financial position?

Well, the house came foreclosed on.

Because you speak to Mo and Mo speaks to PJ? No, because it was in the news.

Okay, so I really hope to God things stay amicable with you and Mo. I really

and I hope to God nothing turns.

Me too. But if and when it does, and you're dealing with what I have had to

with, maybe, maybe you'll find it difficult to sit in rooms and

when you're bursting at the seams and you want to actually be talking to your

girlfriends and have a little bit of support only to have people either

you, talking behind your back, or...

suggesting, I don't know, Moe, like that chance of surprise.

Mimi from Dallas said it was disappointing to see Moe downplaying

like it's no big deal. Oh, my God. And even admitting that he drinks with him,

that's called an enabler. I want him to be involved, but he has to show up clear

-headed. He's always been clear -headed. Moe, he started drinking again.

If I go to dinner with him, he's...

ordering, you know, a glass of wine, maybe two. We're not sitting there

it. He didn't stop drinking for a year because just for a casual thing.

He stopped drinking because he needed to stop drinking.

There's always two sides to every story.

That's such a guy thing. That's called guys.

That's such a bro thing. No, that's not called guys. That's what dudes do.

He's not a babysitter. He came in as a soldier.

Mo doesn't have a problem.

And if Mo really, really, really cared about him, Mo would be saying to him,

listen, buddy, you know what?

Let's slow down. I've seen guys at their darkest point and none of their friends

until they are literally on the ground.

I don't want to stick up for the men.

Sorry, I love men, Andy. So do I.

Moving on to your finances, last year on this stage, we talked about the news

that your home had gone into pre -foreclosure. You said at the time that

resolved it.

Yes, or so I thought, by the way. However, just this week, there are new

indicating the house is in trouble again with a debt of over $800 ,000.

It is in pre -foreclosure, and PK hadn't been paying the mortgage.

Could you downsize?

It's not...

It's not about staying in the house.

It's about I believed he was paying the mortgage. Oh, which is wrong. And so I'm

blindsided. Now, listen, it's my fault as well because at this point I

trust or believe without checking. But were you checking monthly that it was

being paid? No, no.

PK is saying he's going to bring the house current.

Then I'm going to put the house on the market and find a house for the kids and

I. This is the plan right now. Thank you. Okay. But it could change. Okay.

From what I've experienced, anything can change. Right. Like maybe he doesn't

bring the house current, but you need to get in a situation where you can be

flexible. I know exactly what I have to do.

Even before this news, people were shocked and concerned about your lack of

knowledge about your finances. I want to clear something up because you made a

statement that I outsourced my financial well -being to a man and it didn't go

well.

I want to clear something up because you made a statement that I outsourced my

financial well -being to a man and it didn't go well. Maybe she's intimidated.

Because I'm young and successful and I'm not financially dependent on a man and

she outsourced her financial well -being to a man and it didn't go well.

PK was coming out of bankruptcy when I met him.

Uh -huh. Him and I built everything together.

Okay. So that statement, not only was it inaccurate...

It was offensive.

It does feel like you're also insulting a lot of women who decided to have a

child and raise their kids and not make money.

That's how it feels.

But you can have a man be in charge of money and still know what's going on

your money, and you not make the money personally, and that can be a totally

wonderful life.

I thought you were talking about me, and I was upset. I thought you were talking

about me, too. But I can say... I mean, but a lot of people can put their... I

know. I was shocked. I was like, she doesn't fucking know me at all.

What I would want for all women and all of us is to know what's going on with

our money. And I don't think not knowing is a good plan.

Agreed. But I could see how that would be hurtful, and I'm sorry.

So as we close out, Dori, what is the latest on your divorce proceedings?

Listen, every time you ask me, how are things with you and PK, I really want to

be saying we're in a great place. Everything's great, but it's not the

And you know what?

It wasn't the truth.

Right now, things, thank God, after the kid's birthday, this is the first time

in almost two years, Andy.

So today, as we sit here today, things are better? Yes. Good. Thank God. That

is, by the way, the most important thing. And I've been waiting for you to

me, and I couldn't wait to tell you. Tell me about it. That's great.

All right.

Well, this season, money queen Amanda Francis was the new girl on the block,

even though she lived on a very familiar block in Kyle's old Bel -Air house.

But some people thought this self -proclaimed breadwinner spent a little

much time buttering herself up while only offering crumbs about her career

her traumatic past. Watch.

I'm best known for my best -selling book, Rich as Fuck, which helps women

redefine their relationship with money and manifests more into their lives.

She's getting married, too.

When's your date?

10 -10 -26.

Ooh, that sounds good.

People say you can't have it all, and I do.

I do have it all.

But I'm the breadwinner. I always have been. But he's very motivated to be able

to take care of me. I love being the fucking breadwinner. I really do love

It was my money, I should be clear, when I bought it.

I mean, we have renovated together, but I did buy it. Yeah. Sorry.

Why would you share that?

That doesn't, like, add value to the conversation.

You know?

I found that I had a gift around, like, the energetic part of money.

I have no formal business experience.

But I was like, let's make this a personal development brand.

What is this frou -frou mess we're talking about? I have all the stats.

80 % of people who buy a course buy a second course. I have less than a 3 %

refund rate, which is unheard of in my industry. That is a very, very low

of people wanting refunds on digital products.

So here's the problem, Amanda. You are defending your business instead of

telling us what you actually do. The baseline of Amanda's defense mechanism,

whenever she gets criticism, is that she's insecure.

I went looking up her book, and I see this blog that says, I was in a cult.

I'm sorry, what?

Do you think I'm fake? I think that you are not being clear about your life. I

can't have a life that looks good and feels good. Well, your life is not pure.

How do they expect me to be more open when they put me down and question

everything I do at every turn?

She's built a cult.

What happened? She walked away from one and built one.

This has got to stop.

All right. So, Amanda, not since Camille Grammer season one have I seen someone

enter this group and light up the audience.

Yeah, you're welcome.

So, let's start with the positive, shall we? Sure. Yes.

Maura from New Hampshire said, you know what I love about Amanda? She got all

the ladies activated and she barely had to try.

To real reality, said Amanda, has a cutest family and a very hot husband. I

this for her.

Speaking of your hot husband, I saw that the two of you got married. Yeah.

Congratulations. You had your first of two ceremonies.

Yeah, at 9 -9 -25, we had our courthouse wedding.

And the big you coming in on the helicopter and him coming on in the

Yeah. That's... 10 -10 -26, yeah. Wow.

So, on the other hand, many fans were taken aback by how you speak about your

husband. Nora from Topeka said, does Amanda realize every time she talks

her husband, she makes him sound like a freeloader?

Okay, Eddie's not a freeloader. He has a job. He owns a company. He works. He's

a wonderful man.

He's a good, good, good, good man. He takes care of me in a million ways every

day. He knows I make more money than him. He knows I'm super proud of it. How

does he feel about you putting that on blast, though?

My ex would have died. I don't think he would consider it on blast. Did he say

anything to you about that?

He said, hey, the only thing was when you paid for the house.

No, no, no, because I paid for the house. Listen, for what I do, it is in

that I want women to know always that they can do it.

But out of respect for your husband, who is so adoring. I don't think he

considers it disrespectful.

He wouldn't see that as disrespectful?

No, the house, I think, was fair. I did buy it. We renovated it together.

But what did he say this season? He said what? You were going to say... Uh -oh,

he was like that I make more... I make more in a month than he makes in a year,

specifically. He's like, yes, that is true.

And maybe you didn't have to say it that way.

And it is true.

But do you see how you could plant seeds of contempt that blossom years down the

road? You do plan to be with this man forever, right? Yeah. Right. Okay. So

you say things like this, they get buried and then they fester. They could.

Maybe. But as the show comes out, as you see the articles, as you see these

comments, we are in bed together talking. There's me saying, hey, I meant

My point to you is this.

everything is on the upswing everything is beautiful the seeds you plant now

they will blossom when it fucks up and you will you will pay for that

later but amanda i think what he's saying right now he he's not saying that

you're telling me how my husband feels no i'm telling you that when you

emasculate someone who adores you and loves you it doesn't matter how much

money I've made in my career than my husband if I did.

I'm still, there is not one moment in my entire life where I have said that to

anyone, let alone on television. But you don't teach women that they can make

money. I don't teach women that they can make money. No, no, you inspire women.

But it, absolutely you inspire women that they can make money. But this is my

job. Like, I look at myself a lot. With my marriage, my husband, if he had said

those things about me.

When we were 40 years old, like, well, I'm the bread maker. I bought the house.

I did this. I did that. And here's little old me, like, with a baby in my

like, great for you, you know. But men have always traditionally made the

Then it builds up resentment. This isn't a gang up on you. No. This is life.

This is for being helpful.

This is life. I asked him if he felt emasculated. He said absolutely not.

very secure. We're like not far.

Okay.

So. The criticism was not limited to how you speak about Eddie. You were getting

critiqued about millennial phrases, bragging about designers, or the money

of it all. Was there one thing that surprised you that you were hearing from

people that you were like, really?

The designer stuff a little bit or the bragging stuff a little bit because I

thought I was on a show about rich women with cool shit. I thought there was a

lot of designer talk. That's one part of the show you're on. That's not the lead

part of the show you're on. I didn't think I was leading with it. The lead

is your fucking heart and soul.

And we've had a hard time getting to your heart and soul.

Ding dong on Twitter said, Amanda's need to one -up and compete with everything

the women have acquired is exhausting.

Dirty Jenny on Twitter said, what is up with Amanda and mentioning the label so

much? What is she trying to prove? You're talking to a Hilton, for goodness

sake. I think everyone brought up label.

Often on the show, I would bring it up. There would be this, like, pause,

silence after.

But other people would say, this is this, this is this. We are on a set of

Drive, let me point out. Do you feel like you had to do that when you came

this group? Because I think it came off like that. Yes, and I saw her use in

Sedona saying, make sure you get a shot of this, telling the cameraman to please

make sure you get a shot of my Chanel bag.

You are sitting on a couch. I thought it was cute.

No.

Cannot lead with that shit. We are too old and too experienced.

I saw her use in Sedona telling the cameraman to please make sure you get a

of my Chanel bag.

You are with... I thought it was cute.

No.

Cannot lead with that shit.

We are too old and too experienced.

We want you, not the veneer. But I remember, I think, the misconception

was somehow hiding me.

It felt that way.

I should stop talking.

Rachel, you said you have a hard time with Amanda because she acts strong, but

she plays the victim at the same time. I think the conflict that I've had is

what you just said about how you want to teach women and how you want to...

welcome in every room and everyone knows who you are and whatever i said i want

to walk in everyone over and over you said that every room you walk into

everyone knows who you are outside of our group i'm in a world where everyone

gets me and everyone loves it all my friends take my courses and everyone has

this foundation of like what amanda's about and i haven't been in a world in a

long time where people didn't know who i was and what i built and like why

No, I said that I'm used to when I walk into a room, people know who I am and

what I do. They know my heart. They know my intention. Okay, no, no, you didn't

follow it with that. You did not. I did. I explained it.

No, but in the moment you didn't follow it. But in the moment. But that's not

what I meant.

Okay. That's how you took it. It's not how I took it. It's what you said.

So I guess what I'm saying is like because when you say those things and

followed by the explanation of why you're saying it.

How could I hear it differently, right? So I'm saying, who actually said that?

Because if you knew who I was and what I do, you'd know that that's not what I

meant. But I don't.

We're trying to know you. You've rubbed everybody the wrong way.

It's hard to do that in this group.

Well, I did it.

There was a lot of, I feel uncomfortable. I feel unsafe.

I feel this. And that's very victim -y rather than I'm the strong person

believing in.

who I am as a woman and what I teach and how strong I am and how I lead. So

guess what? Don't come at me like that. What are you talking about? Not like,

this doesn't feel good to me. You go into victim mode.

It's just a contradiction, that's all.

Like, okay, are you the victim or are you the leader? Or are you uncomfortable

or are you unsafe?

Yeah, good question. Because life is uncomfortable.

And that's how you grow.

We're in uncomfortable.

Is this a show? If you're having fun on this show. This show is uncomfortable.

This show is uncomfortable.

This show is uncomfortable. Yeah. I think it is very uncomfortable.

And she obviously is not used to a setting like this, which it is a lot.

this is not an easy group to crack.

And the audience also noted that Amanda didn't seem to be welcomed with open

arms. Who is?

Tanyan on Twitter said, is anyone else finding it cringy how rude everyone's

treating Amanda? They're not giving her a chance at all.

It's screaming. overwhelming jealousy kyle what's your opinion of this um well

like i said when somebody new comes in i really do have a lot of empathy and you

know try to make them feel comfortable and i can sort of after this many years

see why someone acts a certain way or behave a certain way and you know maybe

someone's not your cup of tea you know that's fine that's one thing but i don't

think there's a reason to be unkind right like in kyle's defense she's

been the ambassador

But I mean, also, you know, it just felt like.

Well, listen, I mean, somebody had to agree.

Boze would disagree with that. Boze is very nice to you. I'm kidding. I'm

kidding. But by the way, Boze, I've been nothing but nice to you. I know.

Nothing but nice to you. And part of it is I'm kidding, right? Because I know.

And we talked about. But are you? I have been nothing but kind to you. And you

have been so kind. For two years. You have been very kind. And last year, what

said was that I found you cold. Yeah. Because you were holding back things

me, which is fine.

But it doesn't mean that, like, I felt a warm blanket.

But I feel like we keep growing.

I don't want to go back to where we keep going. I want to bring it back to

Amanda. And I want to move on to your business, Amanda. You did an interview

where you said both tried to create a personal development brand. It did not

well. She's losing money on her courses. She told me so. Let's talk about this.

Because when in the hell did I tell you that I was losing money on my business?

That is crazy.

In the vineyard. Girl, I did not tell you that.

Why would I have told you that?

Let's just consider our relationship at that point.

Let's pretend for one second that I was losing money, which I'm not.

Why would I confide that in you? It wasn't a confiding moment. It was

essentially saying, if I'm losing money on courses, there's no way you can be

making money.

making money on courses and not be doing something wrong. That doesn't make any

sense, Amanda.

That's what you said.

It's not what I said. I think they have it on camera.

And they don't because I didn't say that. Online workshopping, that's not

do for work. You know what I mean? I'm so curious about it because we have the

NLR. Yeah, you said I don't need to make money from this. I don't. Right. I'll

leave money on it. Yeah.

But that's okay with me because that's the choice I made. And additionally,

just let you know because I do need to clarify this comparison between our

online courses.

You have an online business.

I don't have an online business. I have a teaching course based on a class I

taught at Harvard for three semesters.

It gives people the opportunity to understand the keys I did not have as a

business person so that they understand how to negotiate for a better race, ask

for more promotion.

They understand how to present in a boardroom. And so for me, it's not about

making money.

My point is that my class is to open the door for people who can't go to

Harvard. You are promoting your businesses and setting up your margins

can be rich as fuck.

That is not my intention.

It's a charitable venture.

Absolutely. And so, by the way, that is not failure.

I didn't say it was a failure. Yes, you did.

Next week, the reunion continues.

Jennifer Tilly talked to me about this dress.

This is my face on the front of it. I see that.

Will you be asking for half of the agency?

Half of it's mine.

Did he realize that?

You told me that Amanda took out a $2 million loan just before she started

filming. Well, you did. You did?

You want to talk about the past two years, but we haven't been friends. This

exactly it. Stop saying that we are friends.