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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,072 --> 00:00:05,000 WHISTLING 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,024 DOOR SLAMS SHUT 3 00:00:15,048 --> 00:00:18,012 Any man who takes a criminal path... 4 00:00:24,052 --> 00:00:27,044 ..should be mindful of the consequences. 5 00:00:37,068 --> 00:00:40,040 My name is Peter Wildeblood. 6 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,040 CHEERING 7 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,056 Order! Order! 8 00:00:45,056 --> 00:00:48,076 May I ask the Right Honourable Home Secretary 9 00:00:48,076 --> 00:00:52,004 the number of cases involving male perversion 10 00:00:52,004 --> 00:00:57,052 this year, and how he intends to deal with this evil? 11 00:00:57,052 --> 00:01:00,088 Much of my private life has already been made public 12 00:01:00,088 --> 00:01:05,000 by the newspapers. So I have nothing left to hide. 13 00:01:06,088 --> 00:01:11,068 Roughly 5,500 offences have been recorded 14 00:01:11,068 --> 00:01:14,072 and over 600 offenders 15 00:01:14,072 --> 00:01:16,060 sent to prison. 16 00:01:19,056 --> 00:01:23,048 I don't pity myself and I do not ask for pity. 17 00:01:24,072 --> 00:01:26,056 But I am speaking out... 18 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,072 ..to give some hope and courage to other men like myself, 19 00:01:33,072 --> 00:01:35,092 and to the rest of the world some... 20 00:01:38,072 --> 00:01:40,044 ..understanding. 21 00:01:44,048 --> 00:01:47,036 I am...a homosexual. 22 00:01:53,044 --> 00:01:58,032 So as long as I hold office, I shall give no countenance to 23 00:01:58,032 --> 00:02:03,072 the view that they should not be prevented from being such a danger. 24 00:02:28,088 --> 00:02:31,028 MUFFLED MUSIC AND CHATTER 25 00:02:41,008 --> 00:02:43,032 CHATTER AND LAUGHTER 26 00:02:44,064 --> 00:02:46,012 Whisky, please. 27 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,084 Thank you. 28 00:03:01,072 --> 00:03:03,088 INDISTINCT CHATTER 29 00:03:28,076 --> 00:03:31,060 TRAIN WHISTLE BLOWS 30 00:03:31,060 --> 00:03:34,008 INDISTINCT RAILWAY ANNOUNCEMENT 31 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,000 I wonder, could I buy you a drink? 32 00:03:51,036 --> 00:03:53,088 Doesn't work that way, darling. 33 00:03:53,088 --> 00:03:56,016 Unless you're willing to play the part. 34 00:03:58,048 --> 00:03:59,092 Oh, no. 35 00:04:01,044 --> 00:04:04,044 So you're not a queen, then? 36 00:04:04,044 --> 00:04:07,004 It's a pity, you're quite pretty, really. 37 00:04:08,052 --> 00:04:10,012 Not a rough, either. 38 00:04:10,012 --> 00:04:11,068 I'm a homosexual. 39 00:04:11,068 --> 00:04:13,024 A what? 40 00:04:13,024 --> 00:04:14,068 A homosexual. 41 00:04:14,068 --> 00:04:16,044 Homosexual? 42 00:04:16,044 --> 00:04:18,020 I see. 43 00:04:18,020 --> 00:04:22,032 I thought that was just something doctors called us. 44 00:04:22,032 --> 00:04:24,084 Do all the queens use this word now? 45 00:04:24,084 --> 00:04:26,032 I don't know. 46 00:04:26,032 --> 00:04:28,056 I'm not sure I like it. 47 00:04:28,056 --> 00:04:30,036 Come along, Fanny dear. 48 00:04:30,036 --> 00:04:31,092 See you later, dear heart. 49 00:04:31,092 --> 00:04:33,044 Coming, Ducky. 50 00:04:35,084 --> 00:04:37,076 DOOR CLOSES 51 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,096 VOICEOVER:At that particular time 52 00:04:52,096 --> 00:04:55,048 there was a, you might call it a purge, 53 00:04:55,048 --> 00:04:57,092 on people who were gay. 54 00:04:57,092 --> 00:05:00,056 We were considered sick. 55 00:05:00,056 --> 00:05:05,008 We were considered, er, you know, child molesters. 56 00:05:05,008 --> 00:05:09,004 The police went out of their way to catch you and...and... 57 00:05:09,004 --> 00:05:13,000 and the Members of Parliament, "This filth and this... 58 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,076 "This is going to ruin the nation, we must...we must stub it out." 59 00:05:16,076 --> 00:05:18,056 I can't remember the name of the, erm, 60 00:05:18,056 --> 00:05:21,004 the Home Secretary at the time, but he was one of the worst. 61 00:05:21,004 --> 00:05:24,088 David Maxwell Fyfe, Sir David Maxwell Fyfe, 62 00:05:24,088 --> 00:05:27,016 later Viscount Kilmuir. 63 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:37,008 Well, he embodied all the worst attitudes 64 00:05:37,008 --> 00:05:39,060 of the British Establishment. 65 00:05:39,060 --> 00:05:43,004 You could be arrested for just looking at somebody... 66 00:05:44,016 --> 00:05:48,028 ..in the street, you know, winking at them or smiling at them. 67 00:05:49,060 --> 00:05:54,020 And, er, I thought this is mad, this world has gone a bit potty. 68 00:05:54,020 --> 00:05:57,092 I have to say it made it even more exciting 69 00:05:57,092 --> 00:06:03,060 because, you know, it is exciting, er, avoiding the police, 70 00:06:03,060 --> 00:06:10,020 keeping a look out. It's like being a member of an underground sect, 71 00:06:10,020 --> 00:06:14,040 or something, er, and you get a great kick out of it. 72 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,048 Wherever you went was liable to be raided... 73 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:24,084 ..um, whether it was a pub or it was a private drinking club 74 00:06:24,084 --> 00:06:27,032 or it was a private party. 75 00:06:28,088 --> 00:06:33,016 And you would have your name and address printed in the paper. 76 00:06:46,072 --> 00:06:50,052 Oh! Oh, I'm sorry! Oh. 77 00:06:50,052 --> 00:06:52,036 It's... It's fine. 78 00:06:58,036 --> 00:07:01,076 Um, do you need directions? 79 00:07:01,076 --> 00:07:03,036 No. 80 00:07:03,036 --> 00:07:08,064 No, I'm, erm... I'm just... I'm down off leave from Ely. 81 00:07:10,088 --> 00:07:14,048 And, er, it's going to rain again. 82 00:07:14,048 --> 00:07:16,012 Any minute. 83 00:07:34,096 --> 00:07:39,080 So, um, if you want to stay, there's a sofa, 84 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,068 which should be perfectly comfortable. 85 00:07:42,068 --> 00:07:46,040 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it should. 86 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,044 Yeah, it's a bit small. 87 00:07:55,096 --> 00:07:57,052 And besides... 88 00:08:01,004 --> 00:08:06,012 ..you and I could, er, fuck here. 89 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,008 Live a little. 90 00:09:35,096 --> 00:09:38,008 HE CHUCKLES 91 00:09:40,028 --> 00:09:41,068 What? 92 00:09:42,076 --> 00:09:45,076 "You and I could fuck maybe?" 93 00:09:47,068 --> 00:09:48,072 What? 94 00:09:50,028 --> 00:09:52,020 The romance of it. 95 00:09:53,024 --> 00:09:55,032 Dead romantic. 96 00:09:55,032 --> 00:09:57,004 That's one of my best lines. 97 00:10:09,076 --> 00:10:11,036 You heading back to Ely? 98 00:10:11,036 --> 00:10:12,072 In two days, yep. 99 00:10:15,016 --> 00:10:16,084 So what do you do? 100 00:10:16,084 --> 00:10:19,024 I'm a journalist. 101 00:10:19,024 --> 00:10:21,052 Oh, right. Which paper? 102 00:10:21,052 --> 00:10:23,020 The Mail. 103 00:10:23,020 --> 00:10:24,068 Nice. 104 00:10:24,068 --> 00:10:28,084 Not really. It's... Well, it's quite dull, actually. 105 00:10:42,068 --> 00:10:45,060 Well, it was nice meeting you. 106 00:10:46,084 --> 00:10:49,024 I'll, erm, you know? 107 00:10:49,024 --> 00:10:52,008 Keep in touch. I mean it. 108 00:10:54,016 --> 00:10:55,072 Do you want me to? 109 00:11:00,012 --> 00:11:02,068 Well, yes. I...All right, then. 110 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,032 Being a gay was a very tricky business. 111 00:11:31,032 --> 00:11:37,028 It was frowned upon by society, it was punishable 112 00:11:37,028 --> 00:11:44,016 by imprisonment, it was illegal, it was everything you could mention. 113 00:11:44,016 --> 00:11:47,084 I mean, you couldn't even talk about it. Erm... 114 00:11:47,084 --> 00:11:51,068 I felt very uncomfortable about it. Certainly. 115 00:11:51,068 --> 00:11:56,040 If heterosexuals had been subject to the force of law for being 116 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:01,004 heterosexual, if their relations had been frowned upon, it's most 117 00:12:01,004 --> 00:12:04,080 unlikely that they would have settled into long-term marriages. 118 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,028 They had public opinion and the law behind them. 119 00:12:08,028 --> 00:12:10,068 In the case of homosexuals, the law 120 00:12:10,068 --> 00:12:14,092 and public opinion were very distinctly against them, so I think 121 00:12:14,092 --> 00:12:20,040 the whole climate was opposed to the building of relationships. 122 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,092 In fact, I think many gay people half believed, because they were 123 00:12:24,092 --> 00:12:29,060 told so often, that if you were gay you couldn't have a relationship. 124 00:12:31,064 --> 00:12:35,032 It was a no-no, so I had to be on my own. 125 00:12:36,044 --> 00:12:41,008 And, erm, so I've been used to it, since...since childhood, 126 00:12:41,008 --> 00:12:47,024 being a loner. Never enjoyed it, I can tell you, it was awful. 127 00:12:47,024 --> 00:12:49,020 But that's the way it is. 128 00:12:55,028 --> 00:12:57,008 KNOCK ON DOOR 129 00:13:01,068 --> 00:13:04,096 Well, would you look at that. He meant what he said. 130 00:13:27,044 --> 00:13:29,080 Fancy a kickaround? 131 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,048 You're joking. 132 00:13:31,048 --> 00:13:33,012 Not physical, then? 133 00:13:35,028 --> 00:13:36,096 Not even at school? 134 00:13:36,096 --> 00:13:41,016 Football? I was useless, always the last to get picked. 135 00:13:41,016 --> 00:13:43,032 I can imagine, actually. 136 00:13:43,032 --> 00:13:46,056 I used to just gather with all the other outcasts. 137 00:13:49,052 --> 00:13:51,068 Teachers despised us for it. 138 00:13:53,052 --> 00:13:57,044 One of them said, "Oh, yes, there they are. 139 00:13:59,016 --> 00:14:05,040 "The sops. Sops of a feather flock together." 140 00:14:15,064 --> 00:14:17,020 Come on. 141 00:14:33,064 --> 00:14:36,004 Is that you?Oh, stop it! 142 00:14:41,076 --> 00:14:44,028 We have to be a lot more careful than that. 143 00:14:44,028 --> 00:14:46,024 I know, I know, I'm...unschooled. 144 00:14:46,024 --> 00:14:48,012 You're telling me. 145 00:14:49,092 --> 00:14:52,016 Am I the only poof you know? 146 00:14:52,016 --> 00:14:56,088 No. I know Edward, Lord Montagu, through my work. 147 00:14:59,028 --> 00:15:04,040 Smile all you like, Mr Inverted Snob, he is very nice. 148 00:15:10,084 --> 00:15:12,028 So it's love, then? 149 00:15:12,028 --> 00:15:15,084 To be honest, I never thought you'd come out of your shell far enough. 150 00:15:15,084 --> 00:15:17,072 Neither did I. 151 00:15:17,072 --> 00:15:19,056 What's his appeal? 152 00:15:22,068 --> 00:15:25,084 He's...confident... 153 00:15:27,064 --> 00:15:29,036 ..physical, 154 00:15:29,036 --> 00:15:32,080 a bit...dim, sort of. 155 00:15:35,076 --> 00:15:38,000 I suppose I always thought... 156 00:15:41,076 --> 00:15:43,028 Go on. 157 00:15:45,076 --> 00:15:47,088 I thought I'd meet a boy like him 158 00:15:47,088 --> 00:15:53,048 and he would make me brave, and in return... 159 00:15:55,068 --> 00:15:57,084 ..I would make him wise. 160 00:15:57,084 --> 00:16:00,056 You're blushing. 161 00:16:00,056 --> 00:16:04,084 All right, it's stupid, you know, it's comradeship. 162 00:16:06,012 --> 00:16:09,048 Plato wrote something along those lines, do you know it? 163 00:16:09,048 --> 00:16:15,036 Two men, very different strengths, but when they come together... 164 00:16:17,064 --> 00:16:20,076 ..an army of such lovers could conquer the world. 165 00:16:24,068 --> 00:16:26,060 Bring him down to Beaulieu. 166 00:16:26,060 --> 00:16:28,088 When did you last have a holiday? 167 00:16:28,088 --> 00:16:31,020 Oh, God. Three, four years ago. 168 00:16:31,020 --> 00:16:33,012 Bring him down to Beaulieu. 169 00:16:34,020 --> 00:16:35,088 Hmm. 170 00:16:49,032 --> 00:16:51,024 Just a small party... 171 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,016 God, you are such a... 172 00:16:57,020 --> 00:16:59,076 Live a little. 173 00:16:59,076 --> 00:17:01,008 Yes? 174 00:17:06,044 --> 00:17:08,076 MUSIC PLAYS 175 00:17:11,092 --> 00:17:14,000 INDISTINCT CHATTER 176 00:17:18,056 --> 00:17:21,072 Well, I think this party is really rather... 177 00:17:21,072 --> 00:17:24,020 Boring? Boring as fuck? 178 00:17:24,020 --> 00:17:26,032 Yes. That's about the size of it. 179 00:17:27,084 --> 00:17:31,024 I thought the aristocracy knew how to let its hair down. 180 00:17:31,024 --> 00:17:33,024 Uh-uh. You thought wrong. 181 00:17:56,008 --> 00:17:58,084 What happened to "be careful"? 182 00:17:58,084 --> 00:18:01,024 No-one about, you daft ape. 183 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:10,040 # You took the part that once was my heart 184 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,040 # So why not take all of me? # 185 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,056 Three weeks.I know. 186 00:18:25,004 --> 00:18:27,072 # ..All of me 187 00:18:27,072 --> 00:18:32,012 # Why not take all of me? 188 00:18:32,012 --> 00:18:35,024 # Can't you see... # 189 00:18:35,024 --> 00:18:38,060 You're blossoming, Mr Wildeblood. 190 00:18:38,060 --> 00:18:40,096 # ..I'm no good without you? 191 00:18:42,052 --> 00:18:45,000 # Take my lips 192 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,072 # I want to lose them... # 193 00:18:49,072 --> 00:18:51,056 TRAIN RUMBLES PAST 194 00:18:51,056 --> 00:18:53,088 # ..Take my arms 195 00:18:53,088 --> 00:18:58,036 # I'll never use them 196 00:19:00,044 --> 00:19:03,000 # Your goodbye 197 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,076 # Left me with eyes that cry 198 00:19:09,020 --> 00:19:15,088 # How can I go on, dear, without you? # 199 00:19:15,088 --> 00:19:21,072 My dearest, darling Eddie, I love you so much. 200 00:19:21,072 --> 00:19:26,016 # ..You took the best Why not take the rest? # 201 00:19:26,016 --> 00:19:29,056 There, I've said it. 202 00:19:29,056 --> 00:19:34,020 # ..Baby, take all of me... # 203 00:19:39,008 --> 00:19:42,084 In the '50s, homosexuals, erm, were in... 204 00:19:42,084 --> 00:19:47,044 were in a kind of secret world of their own. It was, erm... 205 00:19:47,044 --> 00:19:53,008 They were on another, rather delightful planet, in a way. 206 00:19:53,008 --> 00:19:57,060 It was fabulous, I was doing whatever young people do, 207 00:19:57,060 --> 00:20:01,036 I wanted to dance, I wanted to have beautiful clothes, 208 00:20:01,036 --> 00:20:05,012 I wanted to have lots of sex, I wanted somebody to love me. 209 00:20:05,012 --> 00:20:10,000 It was a world in which there was no class difference at all and 210 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,072 that, I think, was one of the things which made it very, very attractive. 211 00:20:14,072 --> 00:20:17,048 Members of the upper classes have always fancied 212 00:20:17,048 --> 00:20:19,040 members of the lower classes. 213 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,052 I was never actually particularly attracted to posh boys, 214 00:20:22,052 --> 00:20:25,036 but I did sometimes meet them if they looked right. 215 00:20:25,036 --> 00:20:30,076 And...and so I did find myself in the situation 216 00:20:30,076 --> 00:20:37,048 of mixing with a much wider range of social classes, 217 00:20:37,048 --> 00:20:41,008 I think, than straight boys of my background would have done. 218 00:20:41,008 --> 00:20:48,044 There was this strong sense of community within the gay world, 219 00:20:48,044 --> 00:20:53,096 and that rendered us not impervious 220 00:20:53,096 --> 00:20:58,036 but able to resist these awful... 221 00:20:58,036 --> 00:21:04,032 this, how shall I say, this constant barrage of propaganda, 222 00:21:04,032 --> 00:21:08,092 of depiction of us as being evil. 223 00:21:08,092 --> 00:21:11,020 THUNDER RUMBLES 224 00:21:16,028 --> 00:21:18,020 PHONE RINGS 225 00:21:18,020 --> 00:21:19,092 Wildeblood. 226 00:21:19,092 --> 00:21:21,096 Peter, it's Edward. 227 00:21:21,096 --> 00:21:23,032 Oh, hello, Edward. 228 00:21:23,032 --> 00:21:24,088 Are you alone? 229 00:21:26,072 --> 00:21:28,000 Yes. 230 00:21:29,036 --> 00:21:31,064 I'm at the police station. 231 00:21:31,064 --> 00:21:35,048 I called them about a camera that went missing at my place. 232 00:21:36,060 --> 00:21:40,048 I was - am - fairly sure it was one of the Boy Scouts 233 00:21:40,048 --> 00:21:43,088 we have showing the public round on open days. 234 00:21:43,088 --> 00:21:45,032 That's terrible. 235 00:21:49,036 --> 00:21:55,080 The Boy Scout made certain... allegations against me. 236 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,088 False, of course. 237 00:22:00,012 --> 00:22:04,004 I'm a public figure, Peter. They're trying to make an example of me. 238 00:22:07,024 --> 00:22:09,028 Well, I thought you should know. 239 00:22:10,052 --> 00:22:12,048 Yes, thank you, Edward. 240 00:22:15,004 --> 00:22:16,068 Good luck. 241 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,080 NEWS REPORT:At Winchester Assizes, the trial of Lord Montagu continues. 242 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:33,024 He stands accused of indecently assaulting... 243 00:22:35,016 --> 00:22:37,096 NEWS REPORT:He took the stand to claim his innocence 244 00:22:37,096 --> 00:22:40,084 and said he was the victim of a police witch-hunt... 245 00:22:47,004 --> 00:22:51,012 NEWS REPORT:The news at five o'clock. Lord Montagu of Beaulieu 246 00:22:51,012 --> 00:22:55,012 was today acquitted of several counts of indecent assault. 247 00:22:55,012 --> 00:22:59,064 The jury's decision was unanimous and brings to an end 248 00:22:59,064 --> 00:23:03,016 an acrimonious trial in which Lord Montagu claimed 249 00:23:03,016 --> 00:23:05,080 to be the victim of a smear campaign. 250 00:23:11,052 --> 00:23:13,032 When the trial collapsed 251 00:23:13,032 --> 00:23:17,008 and the public realised that it was all manufactured evidence, 252 00:23:17,008 --> 00:23:24,036 the general public, erm, did find that, erm, distasteful. 253 00:23:24,036 --> 00:23:29,068 It made me feel angry, really. I mean, I look back on it 254 00:23:29,068 --> 00:23:33,016 and thought, yeah, I was quite angry about this rubbish, you know? 255 00:23:33,016 --> 00:23:35,072 I got quite worked up about it. 256 00:23:35,072 --> 00:23:38,008 I mean, all gay men throughout... 257 00:23:38,008 --> 00:23:42,092 throughout the country felt that, and not only gay men 258 00:23:42,092 --> 00:23:45,096 but the general public, luckily, were feeling that. 259 00:23:48,064 --> 00:23:51,088 Why is Montagu being harassed like this? 260 00:23:51,088 --> 00:23:54,012 You know, what is the point? 261 00:23:54,012 --> 00:23:57,088 It seemed to me, it did turn public opinion against 262 00:23:57,088 --> 00:23:59,068 all that was going on. 263 00:24:01,012 --> 00:24:05,028 But, on the other hand, I think there was a kind of feeling among 264 00:24:05,028 --> 00:24:10,012 the police force that would get him in the end. 265 00:24:20,008 --> 00:24:21,048 Thank you. 266 00:24:26,028 --> 00:24:28,000 DOOR CLOSES 267 00:24:32,088 --> 00:24:34,048 Mm-hm. Oh... 268 00:24:34,048 --> 00:24:36,008 Mm? 269 00:24:37,096 --> 00:24:40,040 These letters - who wrote them? 270 00:24:44,024 --> 00:24:46,064 You know who wrote them. 271 00:24:46,064 --> 00:24:48,048 I want to hear it from you. 272 00:24:50,008 --> 00:24:53,012 Give me the dirt on Montagu and his two pals. 273 00:24:55,016 --> 00:24:58,096 Look, you might lose your job but I'll keep you out of prison. 274 00:25:01,088 --> 00:25:03,084 KNOCK ON DOOR 275 00:25:06,052 --> 00:25:08,020 Are you Peter Wildeblood? 276 00:25:08,020 --> 00:25:09,060 Yes. 277 00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:12,020 I'm arresting you on charges of gross indecency 278 00:25:12,020 --> 00:25:14,080 and buggery with certain other male persons. 279 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,056 Where do you sleep? 280 00:25:16,056 --> 00:25:18,012 My bedroom is upstairs. 281 00:25:18,012 --> 00:25:19,028 Anyone up there? 282 00:25:19,028 --> 00:25:20,052 No. 283 00:25:25,028 --> 00:25:27,024 Don't you have a warrant? 284 00:25:38,020 --> 00:25:39,064 Sit down. 285 00:25:48,052 --> 00:25:50,024 You were in Beaulieu this summer? 286 00:25:51,068 --> 00:25:53,000 Yes. 287 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,020 Are these your parents? 288 00:25:57,048 --> 00:25:59,080 Yes. 289 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,096 And this one is Edward McNally? 290 00:26:11,008 --> 00:26:12,092 Is this your handwriting? 291 00:26:16,032 --> 00:26:18,008 Yes. 292 00:26:57,028 --> 00:27:00,016 This could go very badly for you. 293 00:27:00,016 --> 00:27:01,096 Very badly indeed. 294 00:27:11,056 --> 00:27:13,096 What you should do is make a statement 295 00:27:13,096 --> 00:27:17,068 and you just get bound over, make a clean breast of things. 296 00:27:17,068 --> 00:27:21,036 Tell me about Montagu and his chum Pitt-Rivers and all of them, 297 00:27:21,036 --> 00:27:25,004 then I think you... No. No, I couldn't do that. 298 00:27:25,004 --> 00:27:26,076 And why not? 299 00:27:26,076 --> 00:27:28,024 Because... 300 00:27:35,008 --> 00:27:36,088 Because.... 301 00:27:39,016 --> 00:27:41,040 ..sops of a feather flock together. 302 00:27:43,072 --> 00:27:45,072 Hadn't you heard? 303 00:28:45,016 --> 00:28:48,080 The ones, for example, who had previous convictions, 304 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:54,024 it would be a fair cop, very sorry, plead guilty. 305 00:28:54,024 --> 00:29:00,004 Those who had never experienced the police intruding would be 306 00:29:00,004 --> 00:29:03,008 very upset and they were the more likely ones who would plead 307 00:29:03,008 --> 00:29:06,084 not guilty and challenge every aspect of the observations. 308 00:29:08,092 --> 00:29:13,048 I still say it was an inherent weakness, and still is. 309 00:29:15,024 --> 00:29:21,000 They went into these practices knowing that there's a great 310 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,092 element of risk of being arrested, being exposed, 311 00:29:25,092 --> 00:29:27,076 if you'll pardon the expression. 312 00:29:27,076 --> 00:29:33,008 Three or four weeks after I met Lee, I realised without doubt 313 00:29:33,008 --> 00:29:37,036 that he was the one person I wanted to spend the rest of my life with. 314 00:29:37,036 --> 00:29:41,068 I wrote him a long letter telling him of my feelings for him 315 00:29:41,068 --> 00:29:44,024 and my hopes for us. I thought 316 00:29:44,024 --> 00:29:47,084 he'd be so pleased about this letter and I couldn't believe it, 317 00:29:47,084 --> 00:29:50,088 he was so angry. I said, "What's the matter?" He said, 318 00:29:50,088 --> 00:29:53,068 "Well, the letter you sent to me 319 00:29:53,068 --> 00:29:56,080 "could have landed us both in prison." 320 00:29:58,028 --> 00:30:02,076 I was 14 years old and I had a boyfriend 321 00:30:02,076 --> 00:30:07,028 and he had written me a letter, very stupidly, 322 00:30:07,028 --> 00:30:09,092 and I had dropped the letter 323 00:30:09,092 --> 00:30:13,000 and my father said, "What's this?" 324 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,080 I can remember him now, 325 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,036 God bless him, 326 00:30:16,036 --> 00:30:21,048 "I'm having no son of mine a queer, you're going to the doctor." 327 00:30:21,048 --> 00:30:27,028 So I was taken down to the doctor, who said, "You've got a disease." 328 00:30:27,028 --> 00:30:30,080 This is great. "You've got a disease." 329 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,048 I never accepted that I had an illness. 330 00:30:34,048 --> 00:30:36,092 I accepted that I preferred 331 00:30:36,092 --> 00:30:42,024 to go to bed with a man rather than a woman. I didn't see that 332 00:30:42,024 --> 00:30:46,052 as an illness, but I did see it as something that you kept to yourself, 333 00:30:46,052 --> 00:30:49,092 because of... because of the implications, 334 00:30:49,092 --> 00:30:52,052 because of the consequences if you didn't. 335 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,060 You are each charged with gross indecency, 336 00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:06,040 buggery, attempted buggery, aiding and abetting buggery, 337 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,056 procuring male persons for acts of gross indecency, 338 00:31:10,056 --> 00:31:15,096 and conspiracy to incite male persons to commit gross indecency. 339 00:31:17,068 --> 00:31:21,088 To each of these charges, how do you, Edward Montagu, plead? 340 00:31:21,088 --> 00:31:24,000 Not guilty. 341 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,076 To each of these charges, how do you, Michael Pitt-Rivers, plead? 342 00:31:27,076 --> 00:31:29,032 Not guilty. 343 00:31:29,032 --> 00:31:34,008 And to each of these charges, how do you, Peter Wildeblood, plead? 344 00:31:34,008 --> 00:31:35,088 Not guilty. 345 00:31:40,036 --> 00:31:42,032 KEY RATTLES IN LOCK 346 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,000 All right? 347 00:31:56,044 --> 00:31:57,088 I've been better. 348 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,068 Right. 349 00:32:00,068 --> 00:32:03,076 The form is, basically we deny everything, 350 00:32:03,076 --> 00:32:05,064 none of us are queer, 351 00:32:05,064 --> 00:32:08,044 we've never dabbled, never even been tempted. 352 00:32:08,044 --> 00:32:09,092 Right? 353 00:32:09,092 --> 00:32:12,076 It's very hard to prove. 354 00:32:12,076 --> 00:32:16,024 Love on a page means nothing. 355 00:32:20,072 --> 00:32:22,056 I thought we'd be all right. 356 00:32:23,084 --> 00:32:25,048 We were discreet. 357 00:32:27,060 --> 00:32:30,056 Why are they doing this? Just stay calm, Peter. 358 00:32:41,008 --> 00:32:44,072 The case for the prosecution begins with Wildeblood. 359 00:32:44,072 --> 00:32:49,088 In March 1952, Wildeblood met an RAF corporal in Piccadilly. 360 00:32:49,088 --> 00:32:53,056 His name is McNally and he'll be called as a witness. 361 00:32:53,056 --> 00:32:57,092 McNally is a pervert. Wildeblood took him back to his flat 362 00:32:57,092 --> 00:33:02,028 and there committed an offence, namely buggery, with this McNally. 363 00:33:02,028 --> 00:33:05,096 McNally had a friend called John Reynolds, also a queer. 364 00:33:05,096 --> 00:33:08,096 You've probably heard of that term. 365 00:33:10,060 --> 00:33:14,012 Wildeblood was a friend of Lord Montagu. 366 00:33:14,012 --> 00:33:17,060 Mention was made to Lord Montagu of this John Reynolds, 367 00:33:17,060 --> 00:33:21,024 introductions were arranged, offences against Reynolds 368 00:33:21,024 --> 00:33:25,040 were committed by Montagu at Wildeblood's flat in London, 369 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,092 and on a trip to Beaulieu, joined by Michael Pitt-Rivers, 370 00:33:29,092 --> 00:33:31,092 an orgy took place. 371 00:33:33,048 --> 00:33:37,068 McNally and Reynolds are men of the lowest possible moral character. 372 00:33:39,076 --> 00:33:44,052 Taken under the seductive influence of lavish hospitality of 373 00:33:44,052 --> 00:33:48,008 these three men so infinitely their social superiors, 374 00:33:48,008 --> 00:33:51,076 they were willing parties to unnatural acts. 375 00:33:51,076 --> 00:33:55,000 It would be dangerous to convict any of the defendants 376 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,048 purely on the evidence of men such as McNally and Reynolds. 377 00:33:58,048 --> 00:34:00,096 We hope to satisfy you by letters, 378 00:34:00,096 --> 00:34:04,096 and other documents, that there is copious confirmation that 379 00:34:04,096 --> 00:34:09,008 the story these men, Reynolds and McNally, are telling is true. 380 00:34:19,068 --> 00:34:21,064 And on that date in December, 381 00:34:21,064 --> 00:34:24,088 when you attended his property, did you see Wildeblood? 382 00:34:24,088 --> 00:34:26,024 He came to the door. 383 00:34:26,024 --> 00:34:27,060 Where did you go with him? 384 00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:29,004 To the living room. 385 00:34:29,004 --> 00:34:31,064 Did you suggest to him that he write a statement? 386 00:34:31,064 --> 00:34:32,088 No, sir. 387 00:34:32,088 --> 00:34:36,040 Did you promise him that if he write a statement he'd just be bound over? 388 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,064 I did not. And the letters you showed him, 389 00:34:39,064 --> 00:34:43,096 he recognised these as letters written by himself and McNally? 390 00:34:43,096 --> 00:34:45,084 Indeed he did, sir. 391 00:34:49,020 --> 00:34:52,032 I didn't think this could happen in Britain. 392 00:34:52,032 --> 00:34:53,068 I didn't think the police... 393 00:34:53,068 --> 00:34:55,020 Well, now you know. 394 00:34:56,072 --> 00:34:59,048 The rotten apples aren't the odd ones out, Peter. 395 00:35:04,032 --> 00:35:07,052 They're bastards. Jesus. 396 00:35:07,052 --> 00:35:08,096 Try to stay calm. 397 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,096 You're next, McNally. 398 00:35:23,088 --> 00:35:25,056 Call Edward McNally. 399 00:35:51,084 --> 00:35:54,032 You are Edward McNally? 400 00:35:54,032 --> 00:35:55,092 Yes. 401 00:35:55,092 --> 00:35:59,064 Do you know the accused, Peter Wildeblood? Yes. 402 00:35:59,064 --> 00:36:03,016 Look at the accused and confirm that he is the man known to you. 403 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,064 When you spent the night at his flat, where did you sleep? 404 00:36:09,064 --> 00:36:11,080 In the bedroom with Wildeblood. 405 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,076 Did anything occur between you? 406 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,024 We committed buggery with each other. 407 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,048 Did you write this letter to him, exhibit 44? 408 00:36:27,084 --> 00:36:29,032 Yes. 409 00:36:29,032 --> 00:36:33,052 "Dearest Peter, I've really got it bad, sweetheart. 410 00:36:33,052 --> 00:36:36,064 "In fact, I haven't felt so happy for a long time. 411 00:36:36,064 --> 00:36:39,080 "Just to let you know, I haven't forgotten you 412 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,032 "and I never will." Did you mean those words? 413 00:36:44,068 --> 00:36:46,052 I thought I did, sir. 414 00:36:46,052 --> 00:36:50,084 Were you what you would describe as "in love" with Peter Wildeblood? 415 00:36:53,036 --> 00:36:55,012 Yes, sir. 416 00:36:55,012 --> 00:36:58,000 Did you receive this letter from him, exhibit 45? 417 00:37:02,036 --> 00:37:04,060 Yes. 418 00:37:04,060 --> 00:37:07,040 "You are so much a part of my life that I do not think 419 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,048 "I could ever do without you. 420 00:37:09,048 --> 00:37:11,076 "I love you as much now as I did 421 00:37:11,076 --> 00:37:14,044 "when we spent our lovely holiday together. 422 00:37:14,044 --> 00:37:17,016 "The happiest time..." 423 00:37:22,088 --> 00:37:24,076 Did you believe those words? 424 00:37:24,076 --> 00:37:26,060 I suppose so, sir. 425 00:37:26,060 --> 00:37:30,052 Did you believe Peter Wildeblood to be in love with you? 426 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,032 Yes, sir. 427 00:37:48,044 --> 00:37:50,048 Why did he do this to me? 428 00:37:52,052 --> 00:37:55,000 Why did Eddie do this? 429 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,076 You know why he did it. 430 00:37:58,060 --> 00:38:00,048 To save his own skin. 431 00:38:04,064 --> 00:38:06,000 Forget him. 432 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,092 I joined the Navy ten days before my 17th birthday. 433 00:38:30,004 --> 00:38:34,020 It was on HMS Reggio that I was, 434 00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:40,016 um, er, to put it...crudely... 435 00:38:40,016 --> 00:38:42,040 caught in the act. 436 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,024 I was, er, court martialled, charged with 437 00:38:46,024 --> 00:38:52,088 buggery and gross indecency, then I was asked to give 438 00:38:52,088 --> 00:38:55,076 the names of the people with whom I had slept 439 00:38:55,076 --> 00:39:02,036 or had anything to do with, and was told, "If you tell us their names, 440 00:39:02,036 --> 00:39:05,004 "you're looking at 12 months. 441 00:39:05,004 --> 00:39:10,036 "If you don't tell us their names, you're looking at five years." 442 00:39:12,064 --> 00:39:16,056 I gave them the name of an Army officer with whom 443 00:39:16,056 --> 00:39:19,036 I had spent a night ashore. 444 00:39:23,008 --> 00:39:29,012 They found him, and one day the warder, screw, 445 00:39:29,012 --> 00:39:32,072 came in and said, "The chap's blown his brains out." 446 00:39:34,060 --> 00:39:39,092 And that is something which I've had to live with... 447 00:39:41,036 --> 00:39:44,080 ..for over 60 years. 448 00:39:47,004 --> 00:39:50,028 Erm, it is still... 449 00:39:52,048 --> 00:39:54,052 I hate myself for it... 450 00:39:55,052 --> 00:39:57,092 ..but it was just one of those things. 451 00:40:05,032 --> 00:40:07,024 Call Peter Wildeblood. 452 00:40:07,024 --> 00:40:09,020 DOOR OPENS 453 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,056 Place your right hand on the Bible, 454 00:40:27,056 --> 00:40:30,068 take the card in your other hand and read the statement. 455 00:40:30,068 --> 00:40:32,060 "I swear to tell the truth, 456 00:40:32,060 --> 00:40:35,076 "the whole truth and nothing but the truth." 457 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,024 Counsel for the defence. 458 00:40:44,048 --> 00:40:48,020 Is your name Peter Wildeblood? Yes. 459 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,076 Are you a homosexual, Mr Wildeblood? 460 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,024 Yes, I am. 461 00:41:00,036 --> 00:41:03,088 Thinking back to July 1952, 462 00:41:03,088 --> 00:41:08,096 how would you describe your relationship with Edward McNally? 463 00:41:09,088 --> 00:41:12,088 I'd become fond of him. 464 00:41:14,032 --> 00:41:18,024 He is not educated but he is intelligent. 465 00:41:18,024 --> 00:41:23,032 My work made me live in a kind of way I didn't much enjoy 466 00:41:23,032 --> 00:41:27,000 and I liked to be able to relax with someone who is quite simple, 467 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,024 unpretentious and fond of me. 468 00:41:30,024 --> 00:41:34,024 What kind of letters was he writing to you? 469 00:41:34,024 --> 00:41:36,080 They were emotional letters. 470 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,036 They contained endearments of an unusual kind 471 00:41:39,036 --> 00:41:41,072 for two men to exchange. 472 00:41:41,072 --> 00:41:44,084 And you wrote similar letters to him? 473 00:41:44,084 --> 00:41:47,016 I was extremely lonely at that time. 474 00:41:48,044 --> 00:41:51,068 You are familiar with what happened to Oscar Wilde? 475 00:41:51,068 --> 00:41:54,072 Oscar Wilde was accused of gross indecency. 476 00:41:54,072 --> 00:41:59,008 I have never committed gross indecency nor buggery with anybody. 477 00:41:59,008 --> 00:42:03,032 You never committed these offences with Edward McNally?No. 478 00:42:11,032 --> 00:42:13,068 Mr Wildeblood, when you went into this box, 479 00:42:13,068 --> 00:42:16,084 you took the oath in solemn form, you realise that?Yes. 480 00:42:16,084 --> 00:42:20,056 To tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? 481 00:42:20,056 --> 00:42:21,084 Yes. 482 00:42:21,084 --> 00:42:23,040 You know that we've heard McNally, 483 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,048 your friend of some 21 months, describe in detail 484 00:42:26,048 --> 00:42:30,044 what took place between you and him. You've heard the letters 485 00:42:30,044 --> 00:42:33,072 sent by you to him during this time read out in this court. 486 00:42:33,072 --> 00:42:37,040 Do you still say you've told the whole truth?I do. 487 00:42:39,024 --> 00:42:43,076 Have you any suggestion, then, as to why McNally would tell such 488 00:42:43,076 --> 00:42:45,052 wicked lies about you? 489 00:42:45,052 --> 00:42:49,052 Well, I should have thought his motive was perfectly obvious. 490 00:42:49,052 --> 00:42:51,088 He did it to save his own skin. 491 00:42:51,088 --> 00:42:54,000 Were you attracted to McNally? 492 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,052 I was not physically attracted to him. 493 00:42:56,052 --> 00:42:59,008 How do you say you were attracted to him, then? 494 00:42:59,008 --> 00:43:01,032 Emotionally.Emotionally? 495 00:43:02,064 --> 00:43:07,016 This McNally was very much your social inferior. Why then... 496 00:43:07,016 --> 00:43:11,000 During the war, I fought alongside men from many different backgrounds. 497 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,068 I don't recall anyone objecting then. 498 00:43:13,068 --> 00:43:17,004 Before God, I entirely commend that sentiment, Mr Wildeblood, 499 00:43:17,004 --> 00:43:19,068 but what the jury may wish to know is this. 500 00:43:20,084 --> 00:43:26,076 Why would you, a highly intelligent man, a beautiful writer, 501 00:43:26,076 --> 00:43:28,092 want to spend 21 months 502 00:43:28,092 --> 00:43:34,048 of his life with an uneducated RAF corporal from the pits of Glasgow? 503 00:43:37,096 --> 00:43:41,044 That night in Piccadilly when you met, did you smile at each other? 504 00:43:44,084 --> 00:43:46,020 I cannot remember. 505 00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:49,008 When you got into conversation, did a smile pass between you? 506 00:43:49,008 --> 00:43:50,064 I should think possibly, yes. 507 00:43:50,064 --> 00:43:53,008 And you took him back to your flat? He had nowhere to go. 508 00:43:53,008 --> 00:43:54,092 Resisted all temptation?Yes. 509 00:43:54,092 --> 00:43:56,040 Didn't even kiss him? 510 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,080 No, I did not. 511 00:43:59,056 --> 00:44:04,016 You never felt the need for physical expression of a healthy, 512 00:44:04,016 --> 00:44:06,068 emotional young man? 513 00:44:06,068 --> 00:44:09,064 I was incapable of sexual expression. 514 00:44:09,064 --> 00:44:11,024 Incapable? 515 00:44:14,020 --> 00:44:16,052 Have you consulted a doctor?No. 516 00:44:18,092 --> 00:44:21,052 "Dearest Peter, I've really got it bad, sweetheart." 517 00:44:21,052 --> 00:44:23,036 What had he got bad? Love, was it not? 518 00:44:23,036 --> 00:44:25,008 I don't accept for a moment... 519 00:44:25,008 --> 00:44:27,096 "In fact, I haven't felt so happy for a long time." 520 00:44:27,096 --> 00:44:30,032 Because of his friendship with you, yes? 521 00:44:31,092 --> 00:44:35,072 Because of his friendship with you? Yes? 522 00:44:35,072 --> 00:44:36,076 Yes. 523 00:44:40,072 --> 00:44:42,068 "This is being written in bed. 524 00:44:42,068 --> 00:44:46,076 "Wish you were here. But the RAF have definite views on such things." 525 00:44:49,052 --> 00:44:53,048 Would a young man write those words to you if you 526 00:44:53,048 --> 00:44:55,020 and he had not been intimate? 527 00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:57,044 Well, this young man would. 528 00:44:57,044 --> 00:45:00,024 "My dearest, darling Eddie, 529 00:45:00,024 --> 00:45:03,084 "oh, how relieved I was to hear from you at last. 530 00:45:03,084 --> 00:45:07,004 "You are so much a part of my life that I do not think 531 00:45:07,004 --> 00:45:09,056 "I could ever do without you." Is that right? 532 00:45:11,004 --> 00:45:13,012 He was a part of my life. 533 00:45:13,012 --> 00:45:15,000 "I love you as much now as I did 534 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,028 "when we spent our lovely holiday together." 535 00:45:17,028 --> 00:45:20,056 On this holiday, you spent that whole time resisting temptation? 536 00:45:20,056 --> 00:45:23,072 Yes.What, then, made it so happy for you? 537 00:45:23,072 --> 00:45:27,072 The friendship, you know, the... the conversation, the... 538 00:45:29,072 --> 00:45:31,044 ..the bathing. 539 00:45:31,044 --> 00:45:33,016 The weather? 540 00:45:35,096 --> 00:45:38,088 "All the love I've ever known, P." 541 00:45:44,088 --> 00:45:47,064 That was all the love I have ever known. 542 00:45:48,092 --> 00:45:51,092 The arrest must have placed a considerable burden on you? 543 00:46:02,020 --> 00:46:04,052 If you're born a sexual invert you will always have 544 00:46:04,052 --> 00:46:07,036 a burden on your soul. 545 00:46:07,036 --> 00:46:09,072 If there was any way of getting rid of it 546 00:46:09,072 --> 00:46:12,036 I should only be too pleased 547 00:46:12,036 --> 00:46:14,068 because it has been a handicap to me 548 00:46:14,068 --> 00:46:17,080 and led to nothing but loneliness and unhappiness. 549 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,012 I have no further questions. 550 00:46:22,060 --> 00:46:24,044 Witness is dismissed. 551 00:46:43,004 --> 00:46:45,052 To the charge of buggery, do you find 552 00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:48,000 the defendants guilty or not guilty? 553 00:46:50,072 --> 00:46:52,000 Guilty. 554 00:46:54,024 --> 00:46:56,072 To the charge of gross indecency, 555 00:46:56,072 --> 00:47:00,064 do you find the defendants guilty or not guilty? 556 00:47:00,064 --> 00:47:02,004 Guilty. 557 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,068 To the charge of conspiracy to incite male persons to commit 558 00:47:06,068 --> 00:47:11,064 gross indecency, do you find the defendants guilty or not guilty? 559 00:47:11,064 --> 00:47:13,004 Guilty. 560 00:47:14,024 --> 00:47:18,052 To the charge of procuring male persons for acts of gross indecency, 561 00:47:18,052 --> 00:47:21,060 do you find the defendants guilty or not guilty? 562 00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:23,076 SPEECH FADES 563 00:47:52,016 --> 00:47:54,064 NEWS REPORT:The Montagu trial ended today 564 00:47:54,064 --> 00:47:57,032 with jail terms for all three accused. 565 00:47:57,032 --> 00:48:00,016 Mr Justice Ormerod passed sentences of 12 months' 566 00:48:00,016 --> 00:48:01,096 imprisonment on Lord Montagu, 567 00:48:01,096 --> 00:48:05,096 and 18 months each on Michael Pitt-Rivers and Peter Wildeblood. 568 00:48:13,092 --> 00:48:17,012 I'd read all about it in the newspapers 569 00:48:17,012 --> 00:48:19,096 and I thought, "Good God, it's awful." 570 00:48:19,096 --> 00:48:23,016 They were determined to get verdicts of guilty on the three men 571 00:48:23,016 --> 00:48:27,080 involved - Montagu, Wildeblood and Michael Pitt-Rivers - 572 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:32,004 and they were sent to prison of course, and the two airmen 573 00:48:32,004 --> 00:48:35,048 who testified against them were given immunity. 574 00:48:35,048 --> 00:48:38,092 I didn't know how Peter Wildeblood, how he was... 575 00:48:38,092 --> 00:48:41,084 how the judiciary and the police behaved. 576 00:48:41,084 --> 00:48:43,076 I didn't understand that and when... 577 00:48:43,076 --> 00:48:46,044 I mean, when I read it, I was filled with terror. 578 00:48:46,044 --> 00:48:49,080 This is the kind of stuff that was reality, it was real, 579 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,028 this is what happened to you if you were gay. 580 00:48:52,028 --> 00:48:59,024 It was pretty heavy duty, erm, I don't know how it didn't 581 00:48:59,024 --> 00:49:02,064 deter me completely and, of course, it did deter lots of people. 582 00:49:02,064 --> 00:49:06,008 There were lots of very unhappy gay people 583 00:49:06,008 --> 00:49:09,008 really trying hard to be straight. 584 00:49:09,008 --> 00:49:14,008 Gradually, people were talking. Whereas this had been a taboo, 585 00:49:14,008 --> 00:49:17,076 now it was a taboo that was being discussed. 586 00:49:17,076 --> 00:49:20,088 That gave me an edge of hope, 587 00:49:20,088 --> 00:49:23,060 when I didn't have very much of that around me. 588 00:50:20,088 --> 00:50:22,076 DOOR SLAMS SHUT 589 00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:51,024 KNOCKING 590 00:51:13,008 --> 00:51:14,068 Wildeblood! 591 00:51:38,088 --> 00:51:41,000 INDISTINCT CHATTER 592 00:52:04,092 --> 00:52:07,024 I seen you come in. 593 00:52:10,088 --> 00:52:13,068 You look better in real life than you did in the papers. 594 00:52:13,068 --> 00:52:15,016 Oh... 595 00:52:16,044 --> 00:52:17,084 Thank you. 596 00:52:19,036 --> 00:52:22,084 It looked like you was dead, or something. 597 00:52:27,004 --> 00:52:28,064 How's your porridge going? 598 00:52:29,068 --> 00:52:32,080 It's, er, OK, it's going. 599 00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:35,056 Yours? 600 00:52:37,044 --> 00:52:39,000 All right. 601 00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:41,084 Two more years. 602 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,032 That RAF lad stitched you up proper, didn't he? 603 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,060 Not on, what he did to you. 604 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,064 Form up! 605 00:53:02,004 --> 00:53:03,060 Be seeing you. 606 00:53:05,004 --> 00:53:06,044 Be seeing you. 607 00:53:48,048 --> 00:53:51,008 8505, Wildeblood, sir. 608 00:53:51,008 --> 00:53:53,052 Wildeblood, yes. 609 00:53:53,052 --> 00:53:55,096 Have you given any thought to what you might do 610 00:53:55,096 --> 00:53:58,044 when you've finished your sentence? 611 00:53:58,044 --> 00:54:00,072 I plan to carry on as before, sir. 612 00:54:00,072 --> 00:54:03,072 Well, you'll certainly be returning to an institution like this 613 00:54:03,072 --> 00:54:05,048 if you do. 614 00:54:05,048 --> 00:54:08,004 I meant I shall go on writing. 615 00:54:08,004 --> 00:54:11,048 I suspect you'll find that rather harder than you imagine. 616 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,012 Do you know someone called Iris? 617 00:54:16,068 --> 00:54:18,012 Why, yes, sir. 618 00:54:18,012 --> 00:54:21,064 Quite a common name in your...circles. 619 00:54:23,060 --> 00:54:25,044 Iris is a woman, sir. 620 00:54:26,092 --> 00:54:30,076 Are you willing to undergo medical treatment for your condition? 621 00:54:30,076 --> 00:54:32,012 Yes, sir. 622 00:54:32,012 --> 00:54:35,004 And you'll see the psychiatrist in due course. 623 00:54:35,004 --> 00:54:36,080 That will be all. 624 00:54:47,028 --> 00:54:49,032 TYPEWRITER KEYS CLACK 625 00:54:49,032 --> 00:54:52,068 All the things that wants to find me as a man have evaporated... 626 00:54:56,016 --> 00:55:00,044 ..distilled down to a revolting caricature of homosexual man. 627 00:55:10,044 --> 00:55:12,084 INDISTINCT CHATTER 628 00:55:29,012 --> 00:55:31,048 Hello again. 629 00:55:31,048 --> 00:55:33,072 Hello. 630 00:55:33,072 --> 00:55:35,084 It's rotten how they did you. 631 00:55:35,084 --> 00:55:38,080 There but for the grace of God, you know. 632 00:55:40,008 --> 00:55:44,080 I'm sorry?It's people who have a little queer streak of their own 633 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,028 that does the most damage, if you ask me. 634 00:55:48,036 --> 00:55:51,020 On the plus side, this place is packed with queers. 635 00:55:51,020 --> 00:55:52,092 Receiving, mostly. 636 00:55:52,092 --> 00:55:55,040 MEN LAUGH 637 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,040 DOOR SLAMS SHUT 638 00:56:03,004 --> 00:56:07,056 I arrived there with a couple of other prisoners, I think. 639 00:56:09,004 --> 00:56:11,064 Er, it really did frighten me. 640 00:56:11,064 --> 00:56:15,076 You had the openly gay people who didn't seem to care 641 00:56:15,076 --> 00:56:17,080 if anyone knew they were gay. 642 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:21,020 They flaunted round in groups, were quite outrageous, effeminate, 643 00:56:21,020 --> 00:56:23,020 girlie names all the time. 644 00:56:23,020 --> 00:56:24,068 On the other hand, 645 00:56:24,068 --> 00:56:28,004 there were the "undercover Marys", as we liked to refer to them. 646 00:56:28,004 --> 00:56:30,096 Those who had, for one reason or another, 647 00:56:30,096 --> 00:56:33,060 good reason not to be blatantly gay, 648 00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:37,028 and there was certainly a certain tension between them. 649 00:56:37,028 --> 00:56:42,020 The governor said, "We know why you're here, erm... 650 00:56:44,064 --> 00:56:50,064 "..and I want nothing of a homosexual nature for you 651 00:56:50,064 --> 00:56:54,008 "to try and take because if you do, you'll be here for ever." 652 00:56:54,008 --> 00:56:59,084 Being homosexual was such an aberration, terrible, 653 00:56:59,084 --> 00:57:03,012 worse than anything, worse than a murderer. Much, much worse. 654 00:57:03,012 --> 00:57:06,044 There were times when one thought, 655 00:57:06,044 --> 00:57:11,028 will they ever understand that there's nothing unnatural, erm, 656 00:57:11,028 --> 00:57:13,020 about us at all? 657 00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:16,020 We're perfectly natural human beings 658 00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:19,036 with a natural desire for love, 659 00:57:19,036 --> 00:57:24,004 and it increased one's sense 660 00:57:24,004 --> 00:57:28,064 of alienation from society as a whole. 661 00:57:28,064 --> 00:57:35,096 I mean it just destroyed my... my...my...my personality, really. 662 00:57:37,096 --> 00:57:42,064 I couldn't let my... I couldn't be who I was, so I had nothing. 663 00:57:48,024 --> 00:57:50,008 BANGING 664 00:57:58,024 --> 00:58:00,048 TYPEWRITER KEYS CLATTER 665 00:58:04,092 --> 00:58:08,040 I now know what it is like to be a criminal. 666 00:58:11,032 --> 00:58:15,068 To know that everything you do will be misunderstood 667 00:58:15,068 --> 00:58:18,000 or used as evidence against you. 668 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,004 BANGING 669 00:58:25,024 --> 00:58:30,096 It makes me fearful of my future, and fear is a terrible emotion. 670 00:58:32,044 --> 00:58:34,048 It's like a black frost, 671 00:58:34,048 --> 00:58:38,048 which blights and stunts all the other qualities of a man. 672 00:59:07,060 --> 00:59:10,064 Dan, that's really... Pick it up, then. 673 00:59:17,024 --> 00:59:19,008 Got to keep your strength up. 674 00:59:34,044 --> 00:59:36,004 Pinched it out the garden. 675 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,044 Make your cell feel a bit more like home. 676 01:01:00,016 --> 01:01:02,084 RETCHING AND COUGHING 677 01:01:10,068 --> 01:01:12,000 KNOCK ON DOOR 678 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,020 Come in. 679 01:01:16,056 --> 01:01:17,084 Sit down. 680 01:01:21,024 --> 01:01:23,008 Wildeblood, isn't it? 681 01:01:23,008 --> 01:01:24,036 Yes, sir. 682 01:01:26,008 --> 01:01:29,076 Openly homosexual. 683 01:01:31,036 --> 01:01:33,028 Do you attend the orgies? 684 01:01:35,012 --> 01:01:36,072 Orgies? 685 01:01:36,072 --> 01:01:41,028 Yes. In Chelsea and other places? 686 01:01:42,056 --> 01:01:47,000 Male homosexuals gather together and engage in unnatural practices. 687 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,056 Really? 688 01:01:48,056 --> 01:01:50,004 So I'm told. 689 01:01:51,072 --> 01:01:54,004 I haven't heard of this, sir. 690 01:01:55,020 --> 01:02:00,068 Does not attend the orgies. 691 01:02:04,024 --> 01:02:07,036 You want to be cured?Yes, sir. 692 01:02:07,036 --> 01:02:09,072 Well, there are a number of options. 693 01:02:09,072 --> 01:02:14,000 I understood that glandular injections or hormone treatment... 694 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,084 We've tried oestrogen injections on a couple of cases here 695 01:02:17,084 --> 01:02:20,060 but with no great degree of success. 696 01:02:20,060 --> 01:02:26,000 One man underwent physical changes of a...a somewhat alarming nature. 697 01:02:27,012 --> 01:02:30,044 We use aversion therapy. 698 01:02:30,044 --> 01:02:32,020 How does that... 699 01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:34,044 Electrical aversion. 700 01:02:34,044 --> 01:02:38,084 Electrodes fixed to the wrists, calves, feet. 701 01:02:38,084 --> 01:02:41,000 You'd be told to fantasise, 702 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:46,080 watch pictures of men in various states of undress, receive shocks. 703 01:02:48,076 --> 01:02:52,096 Does it leave...marks? 704 01:02:52,096 --> 01:02:55,060 They fade after a while. 705 01:02:55,060 --> 01:02:58,056 Or chemical aversion - 706 01:02:58,056 --> 01:03:03,076 apomorphine injections - produces nausea, you'll vomit 707 01:03:03,076 --> 01:03:05,068 then you lie in it, 708 01:03:05,068 --> 01:03:09,056 no cleaning up allowed. Essential part of the therapy. 709 01:03:11,072 --> 01:03:13,020 For how long? 710 01:03:14,036 --> 01:03:17,000 Two days, sometimes three, it depends. 711 01:03:24,060 --> 01:03:26,032 I shouldn't be here. 712 01:03:28,028 --> 01:03:30,032 This shouldn't be happening to me. 713 01:03:30,032 --> 01:03:32,060 You broke the law, Wildeblood. 714 01:03:32,060 --> 01:03:35,016 Then the law is wrong. 715 01:03:58,028 --> 01:04:03,016 The two treatments, the kindest one was that you would do... 716 01:04:03,016 --> 01:04:07,072 you would go to a counsellor, erm, psychologist. 717 01:04:11,088 --> 01:04:16,044 The, erm, worst one, the worst option, was that you would 718 01:04:16,044 --> 01:04:19,000 have aversion therapy, 719 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:24,076 and aversion therapy, um, 720 01:04:24,076 --> 01:04:27,028 was probably 721 01:04:27,028 --> 01:04:33,080 the three worst days of my 67 years on this Earth as a nurse. 722 01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:37,040 They gave me an injection and I don't know to this day what it was - 723 01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:41,004 I have been told but I can't remember now - which made me 724 01:04:41,004 --> 01:04:46,080 feel very queasy and really started to react with inside me, 725 01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,068 and, er, pretty horrendous, and I said, "Excuse me, 726 01:04:50,068 --> 01:04:53,064 "I think I'm going to be sick." 727 01:04:53,064 --> 01:04:56,072 He said, "That's fine, just be sick," so I said, 728 01:04:56,072 --> 01:05:00,056 "Well, could I have a bucket or something or a bowl?" 729 01:05:00,056 --> 01:05:02,024 "No, just be sick." 730 01:05:02,024 --> 01:05:05,044 And then started feeling queasy down below and I said, 731 01:05:05,044 --> 01:05:07,012 "I've got to go to the toilet." 732 01:05:07,012 --> 01:05:08,064 "Don't worry about it, just do it." 733 01:05:08,064 --> 01:05:13,092 There was no talk about... about your...what you thought, 734 01:05:13,092 --> 01:05:16,056 what modern therapy would go into, 735 01:05:16,056 --> 01:05:19,064 no dialogue between the therapist and you 736 01:05:19,064 --> 01:05:21,092 with regard to your feelings and so on. 737 01:05:21,092 --> 01:05:24,076 There was no opportunity to express yourself. 738 01:05:24,076 --> 01:05:28,016 It was simply...it was simply medical treatments with tablets that 739 01:05:28,016 --> 01:05:29,096 tried to damp you down. 740 01:05:29,096 --> 01:05:35,060 And for 72 hours, I... Well, I had nothing left, there was 741 01:05:35,060 --> 01:05:41,024 no sick coming up, there was no poo coming out, there was nothing. 742 01:05:41,024 --> 01:05:45,028 There was no water coming out of my penis, there was nothing. 743 01:05:45,028 --> 01:05:50,092 I was a mental wreck, and this nurse was embarrassed, 744 01:05:50,092 --> 01:05:56,020 and I can see his face now, just didn't know what to say to me 745 01:05:56,020 --> 01:05:59,000 and I certainly didn't know what to say to him. 746 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,060 I can only say to you 747 01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,092 and all those who have had this dreadful treatment, 748 01:06:04,092 --> 01:06:10,004 as a nurse, I'm sorry that I was complicit in it. 749 01:06:11,064 --> 01:06:15,076 I can't do any more, I can't undo what's been done. 750 01:06:17,020 --> 01:06:19,068 I can only say I'm sorry. 751 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,044 SHRIEKS AND EXCITED CHATTER 752 01:06:26,044 --> 01:06:30,008 I thought he was going to my bottom off, or something! 753 01:06:30,008 --> 01:06:32,052 CHATTER AND LAUGHTER CONTINUES 754 01:06:36,048 --> 01:06:38,044 Absolutely beastly thing! 755 01:06:38,044 --> 01:06:40,040 I was scarred for life. 756 01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,000 Anyway, I forgot my soap, and I turned round and bent down 757 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,080 and said, "I can't. She'll go for me right in the derriere!" 758 01:07:06,024 --> 01:07:08,068 You landed on your feet there, girl. 759 01:07:08,068 --> 01:07:13,000 He's a lovely bit of stuff. Get right in there. 760 01:07:18,020 --> 01:07:19,084 Sorry. 761 01:07:19,084 --> 01:07:22,012 Touched a nerve? 762 01:07:22,012 --> 01:07:24,024 Your business, I'm sure. 763 01:07:27,024 --> 01:07:28,096 Seen this? 764 01:07:35,068 --> 01:07:38,008 Wolfenden.A committee. 765 01:07:38,008 --> 01:07:41,068 See if they might want to change the law against queers. 766 01:07:41,068 --> 01:07:44,096 They want people to come forward, have their say. 767 01:07:44,096 --> 01:07:48,000 There's a few things I could tell them. 768 01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,088 We should all do it, don't you think? Band together. 769 01:07:51,088 --> 01:07:54,016 No! 770 01:07:54,016 --> 01:07:56,072 No, we're not the same, you and I! 771 01:08:37,052 --> 01:08:39,024 I am a homosexual. 772 01:08:42,032 --> 01:08:47,052 For many years I kept this a secret from my family and friends 773 01:08:47,052 --> 01:08:50,056 and tried privately to resolve my struggle in a way 774 01:08:50,056 --> 01:08:53,040 as consistent as possible with moral law. 775 01:08:56,044 --> 01:08:59,044 I do not believe I ever did any harm to anyone. 776 01:09:03,020 --> 01:09:07,072 If any harm has been done, the fault lies not with me 777 01:09:07,072 --> 01:09:11,076 but with those who dragged into the merciless light of publicity 778 01:09:11,076 --> 01:09:15,000 things which would have been better left in darkness. 779 01:09:18,036 --> 01:09:21,000 If there is bitterness in my words, 780 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:27,032 I hope it will be the bitterness of medicine, not of poison. 781 01:09:35,044 --> 01:09:39,028 Just before he was imprisoned, he had just bought a house 782 01:09:39,028 --> 01:09:41,044 not far away from our flat. 783 01:09:44,052 --> 01:09:47,092 When he came out of prison, his neighbours had put up 784 01:09:47,092 --> 01:09:50,056 a big notice - "welcome home" - 785 01:09:50,056 --> 01:09:53,084 and I think that that more than anything 786 01:09:53,084 --> 01:09:56,088 erm, gave Peter a tremendous encouragement - 787 01:09:56,088 --> 01:10:02,032 these ordinary local people were accepting him for what he was. 788 01:10:09,012 --> 01:10:10,096 I must have my say. 789 01:10:12,044 --> 01:10:15,012 Wolfenden needs to hear the truth. 790 01:10:35,036 --> 01:10:38,016 I'm trying to get through to Malcolm Starr. 791 01:10:38,016 --> 01:10:39,092 The Home Office. 792 01:10:42,024 --> 01:10:43,084 Yes, I can wait. 793 01:10:55,012 --> 01:10:58,032 I realised, with the setting up of Wolfenden, 794 01:10:58,032 --> 01:11:01,096 and even before, that there was a change in the air. 795 01:11:05,076 --> 01:11:11,092 It was the first indication that the law against homosexuality 796 01:11:11,092 --> 01:11:17,064 might at least be reconsidered, the first glimmer of hope, 797 01:11:17,064 --> 01:11:20,092 and so we all knew about it, straights and gays. 798 01:11:32,096 --> 01:11:36,084 May I say, Mr Wildeblood, how very grateful we are to you 799 01:11:36,084 --> 01:11:41,012 for finding time to talk to us this afternoon.Not at all. 800 01:11:41,012 --> 01:11:46,020 But I was particularly aware of it because it so happened 801 01:11:46,020 --> 01:11:50,064 I was having an affair at the time with Jeremy Wolfenden, who was 802 01:11:50,064 --> 01:11:54,064 the son of Sir John Wolfenden, who was head of the committee. 803 01:11:59,004 --> 01:12:04,076 You say there are three distinct types of homosexual. 804 01:12:04,076 --> 01:12:09,076 Yes, the men who regard themselves as women 805 01:12:09,076 --> 01:12:13,000 through glandular or psychological maladjustment. 806 01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:14,044 Group A? 807 01:12:14,044 --> 01:12:19,008 Yes. Group B, pederasts. 808 01:12:21,032 --> 01:12:24,012 I cannot speak on their behalf. 809 01:12:24,012 --> 01:12:28,036 I regard them the same way a normal man might regard those 810 01:12:28,036 --> 01:12:30,040 pederasts who pray on young girls. 811 01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:35,048 And Group C? Men...like yourself. 812 01:12:35,048 --> 01:12:38,012 Homosexuals in the strictest sense. 813 01:12:39,092 --> 01:12:43,076 Adult men who are attracted to other adult men. 814 01:12:45,088 --> 01:12:51,044 Men who desire to lead their lives with discretion and decency, 815 01:12:51,044 --> 01:12:54,028 neither corrupting others 816 01:12:54,028 --> 01:12:56,092 nor publically flaunting their condition. 817 01:12:59,020 --> 01:13:02,064 We are by far the largest group of homosexuals. 818 01:13:02,064 --> 01:13:04,040 The discreet homosexual? 819 01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,016 Yes, my lord. 820 01:13:06,016 --> 01:13:10,024 We seek to find another of our own kind and... 821 01:13:12,036 --> 01:13:18,036 ..if possible, form a permanent attachment in private. 822 01:13:19,084 --> 01:13:23,092 But the law, as it stands, makes this kind of arrangement 823 01:13:23,092 --> 01:13:25,052 fraught with risk. 824 01:13:25,052 --> 01:13:30,040 A promiscuous and temporary liaison is far less likely to provide 825 01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,088 corroborative evidence, letters, that kind of thing, in court 826 01:13:33,088 --> 01:13:39,064 than an association in which genuine trust and fidelity play a part. 827 01:13:41,008 --> 01:13:42,076 I see. 828 01:13:43,096 --> 01:13:45,036 Yes. 829 01:13:45,036 --> 01:13:49,068 I was going to ask a little more about Group A, 830 01:13:49,068 --> 01:13:52,000 the glandular category. 831 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,040 They're known as "pansies". 832 01:13:59,064 --> 01:14:02,000 People of that kind are born like that. 833 01:14:04,028 --> 01:14:08,036 To that extent, I suppose they're not responsible. 834 01:14:11,072 --> 01:14:16,012 What they are responsible for is their nuisance value. 835 01:14:16,012 --> 01:14:18,076 They cause a lot of bad public feeling 836 01:14:18,076 --> 01:14:22,044 towards the other, more discreet homosexuals. 837 01:14:28,024 --> 01:14:33,064 When I ask for tolerance, it is for men like us... 838 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,012 ..not the corrupters of youth, 839 01:14:38,012 --> 01:14:42,004 not the effeminate creatures making an exhibition of themselves. 840 01:14:46,096 --> 01:14:52,028 I speak for the men who, despite their tragic disability, 841 01:14:52,028 --> 01:14:55,032 try to lead their lives as decent citizens. 842 01:14:57,052 --> 01:14:59,072 There are many thousands of us. 843 01:15:00,072 --> 01:15:02,040 How many, we do not know. 844 01:15:04,016 --> 01:15:07,020 I believe that we would be better 845 01:15:07,020 --> 01:15:10,020 and more useful members of society if we were allowed to 846 01:15:10,020 --> 01:15:15,040 live in peace, instead of being condemned to live outside the law. 847 01:15:22,056 --> 01:15:25,052 What did you do that for? Stop it... 848 01:15:25,052 --> 01:15:27,032 HE GROANS 849 01:15:27,032 --> 01:15:29,008 You're a fucking homo! 850 01:15:36,060 --> 01:15:38,048 Thank you, Mr Wildeblood. 851 01:15:41,016 --> 01:15:43,060 You've been most helpful. 852 01:15:43,060 --> 01:15:45,028 Thank you, sir. 853 01:16:14,036 --> 01:16:16,084 MAN WHISTLES 854 01:16:26,088 --> 01:16:30,004 You know, I was very pleased with the recommendations made 855 01:16:30,004 --> 01:16:32,080 and I thought, well, the law will change, but it wasn't changed 856 01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:36,016 for another, what, nine years or ten years, 857 01:16:36,016 --> 01:16:39,020 and when it did change, you know, 858 01:16:39,020 --> 01:16:41,056 as I said earlier, I thought, 859 01:16:41,056 --> 01:16:45,008 "Oh, yeah, nice condescending thing to do." 860 01:16:45,008 --> 01:16:47,004 I was quite irritated by it. 861 01:16:47,004 --> 01:16:48,080 INTERVIEWER: Why was that? 862 01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:52,020 Yeah, because I thought, you know, all this consenting adults 863 01:16:52,020 --> 01:16:56,048 in private, and if you had a threesome, say, you know, 864 01:16:56,048 --> 01:16:59,052 you could be brought up... sent to prison - 865 01:16:59,052 --> 01:17:02,076 not that people...not that people wanted threesomes, but you know 866 01:17:02,076 --> 01:17:06,032 what I mean, and it had to be in private, in a house, and if there 867 01:17:06,032 --> 01:17:10,092 were other people in the house, you know, you were breaking the law. 868 01:17:10,092 --> 01:17:14,028 The change in the law that took place in 1967 I'm quite sure 869 01:17:14,028 --> 01:17:18,048 had an enormous effect on a huge number of gay people but, erm, 870 01:17:18,048 --> 01:17:21,036 the problem was, it was a minor change. 871 01:17:21,036 --> 01:17:23,092 They weren't going to turn around to their parents and say, 872 01:17:23,092 --> 01:17:27,008 "Oh, I'm gay and it's legal now so you can't do anything about it." 873 01:17:27,008 --> 01:17:30,032 They were still going to be hiding, hiding themselves. It would take a 874 01:17:30,032 --> 01:17:34,088 social change to bring real freedom to these people, not a legal change. 875 01:17:34,088 --> 01:17:38,040 That is not to minimise the benefit the legal change made, 876 01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,084 if nothing else, to stop people going to prison for something 877 01:17:41,084 --> 01:17:44,084 that was nobody's business but their own. 878 01:17:44,084 --> 01:17:46,092 My mother was saying, 879 01:17:46,092 --> 01:17:49,004 "I know what you're going to do. 880 01:17:49,004 --> 01:17:51,060 "Later on, when I go, 881 01:17:51,060 --> 01:17:54,072 "you'll marry a non-Jewish girl." 882 01:17:54,072 --> 01:17:57,052 I said, "Mum, I won't marry a girl at all." 883 01:18:02,092 --> 01:18:05,072 It must have been a shock to her... 884 01:18:07,016 --> 01:18:09,096 ..but she just called me a dirty dog. 885 01:18:15,064 --> 01:18:18,064 I did hold back particularly 886 01:18:18,064 --> 01:18:23,036 because I knew my family would disown me pretty well, 887 01:18:23,036 --> 01:18:28,068 and here I am now, and, er, fortunately... 888 01:18:28,068 --> 01:18:33,040 I mean, it was only literally 889 01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:38,056 since September of last year, 890 01:18:38,056 --> 01:18:43,008 that I was able to come out to my family, 891 01:18:43,008 --> 01:18:46,072 well, to my sister, younger sister. 892 01:18:46,072 --> 01:18:51,016 Even now, I sometimes pinch myself and think, "Is it true? 893 01:18:51,016 --> 01:18:52,096 "Has it happened?" 894 01:18:52,096 --> 01:18:56,080 Erm, and I'm astonished. 895 01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:02,060 I would never have thought that the law would change, 896 01:19:02,060 --> 01:19:05,036 that public opinion would change. 897 01:19:07,004 --> 01:19:09,036 Hello, darling.Hello, darling. 898 01:19:09,036 --> 01:19:11,000 How are you? 899 01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:12,028 Not bad. 900 01:19:12,028 --> 01:19:14,032 Oh, good.And yourself? 901 01:19:14,032 --> 01:19:16,040 All right, thank you.Good. 902 01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:19,064 You had a good time? Very good time.Oh, good. 903 01:19:19,064 --> 01:19:24,084 Well, we were the first couple in Westminster 904 01:19:24,084 --> 01:19:31,004 as well as in the country to actually form the civil partnership, 905 01:19:31,004 --> 01:19:35,004 which was very exciting, actually. 906 01:19:41,084 --> 01:19:47,004 Lee died two years ago and we'd been together 66 years, and I found 907 01:19:47,004 --> 01:19:50,040 that letter that I wrote to him amongst his effects, 908 01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:54,072 and the address, his name, my name had been cut out, 909 01:19:54,072 --> 01:19:57,008 so I folded the letter up 910 01:19:57,008 --> 01:20:01,072 and placed it in his coffin so that it went with him wherever he went. 911 01:20:01,072 --> 01:20:03,092 Yeah. 912 01:20:11,008 --> 01:20:12,096 Queer. 913 01:20:12,096 --> 01:20:14,048 Homosexual. 914 01:20:14,048 --> 01:20:16,000 Poofter. 915 01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,024 # Say it out loud it'll be OK 916 01:20:18,024 --> 01:20:19,080 # I will be your light 917 01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:21,044 # I will be your light 918 01:20:21,044 --> 01:20:23,028 # I will be your light 919 01:20:23,028 --> 01:20:25,024 # I will be your light 920 01:20:25,024 --> 01:20:28,020 # If there's something inside that you wanna say... # 921 01:20:28,020 --> 01:20:29,048 Shirt-lifter. 922 01:20:29,048 --> 01:20:30,092 LAUGHTER 923 01:20:30,092 --> 01:20:32,016 Flamer. 924 01:20:33,036 --> 01:20:36,000 Never heard that one. Slamer? 925 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,068 Flamer, as in a flame. 926 01:20:37,068 --> 01:20:39,048 Flame. Flamer.Flamer. 927 01:20:39,048 --> 01:20:41,052 Not one I've ever heard of. 928 01:20:42,060 --> 01:20:44,020 I hadn't heard "brown hat". 929 01:20:46,052 --> 01:20:48,016 Nancy boy. 930 01:20:48,016 --> 01:20:49,048 Queen. 931 01:20:49,048 --> 01:20:51,072 Friend of Dorothy. 932 01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,064 Faggot.Bender. 933 01:21:01,064 --> 01:21:03,016 Batty boy. 934 01:21:11,068 --> 01:21:13,008 Fairy. 935 01:21:15,044 --> 01:21:17,020 You're very good at that? 936 01:21:18,072 --> 01:21:20,024 I've heard it once or twice! 937 01:21:20,024 --> 01:21:22,028 # ..Say it out loud, it'll be OK 938 01:21:22,028 --> 01:21:23,084 # I will be your light 939 01:21:23,084 --> 01:21:25,040 # I will be your light 940 01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:26,080 # I will be your light 941 01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,080 # I will be your light 942 01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:31,056 # If there's something inside that you wanna say 943 01:21:31,056 --> 01:21:34,080 # Say it out loud, it'll be OK 944 01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,036 # I will be your light 945 01:21:36,036 --> 01:21:37,096 # I will be your light 946 01:21:37,096 --> 01:21:39,060 # I will be your light 947 01:21:39,060 --> 01:21:41,016 # I will be your light. # 72845

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