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'I'm Ben Fogle.
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'And over the next few weeks,
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'I'm going to live with
different people
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'who inhabit some of the most remote
locations on earth.'
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There is nothing here.
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'From the mountain forests
of Northwest USA
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'to the freezing Mongolian tundra.
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'The barren Hungarian countryside
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'to the wild African bush.
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'A Mediterranean island
and the deep Canadian wilderness.
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'These are the people who decided
to make a massive life change.'
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I said, "So, what do you think?
Shall we just do it?
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Give up everything?"
And, er...she said, "OK".
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Oh, boy!
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'Are they daring,
or just downright crazy?'
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Come on, Ben! Oh!
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We didn't even know
where Mongolia was!
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This is who I am,
it's not who you want me to be.
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'I want to find out what happens
when you quit the rat race...'
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If the whole world folds up,
my pension is here.
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'..and create a new wife
in the wild.'
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Today, I'm heading
to a vast wilderness.
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Home to mountains, glaciers
and grizzly bears.
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West of Canada's Rocky Mountains,
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I'll be living with bear guide
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Julius Strauss and his wife
Kristin -
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a couple for whom the wild
has not just become home...
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..but also their refuge.
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When I came here, I was in a mess.
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I mean, in the end, I could barely
go out on the street on my own.
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I'll learn how, against the odds,
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they've found a way of surviving
in the wilderness.
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It doesn't matter
how many degrees you have
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because if you can't chop wood,
you're useless, right?
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And how, together,
they're facing a new battle.
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That's almost certainly a hunter,
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and that really, really
pisses me off.
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Yeah.
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'My journey begins over 7,000km away
in Vancouver, Western Canada.
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'It's then a further 11 hours east
to Meadow Creek,
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'in the Selkirk Mountains.
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'This vast landscape surrounds me.'
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Canada is the second-biggest country
in the world.
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40 times larger than the UK,
but with half the population.
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That is a lot of
unpopulated wilderness.
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If you want to escape,
this is the place to come.
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'Arriving deep in the forest,
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'I can't help but feel
I might be being watched.'
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I'm very aware
this is grizzly bear country.
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Wow, look at this!
That is quite a river.
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'The only way to meet my host
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'is to cross this old military
Bailey bridge.'
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Whoo! I don't know if I want
to fall in there.
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'It's in desperate need of repair.
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'I can see why I had to leave
the car behind.'
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Julius?
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Hey-hey-hey! Hello, Ben!
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What a place to bump into
an Englishman!
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It's good to meet you.
Hey, how are you? Really well.
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I don't know if I want
to fall in there right now.
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You haven't seen anything yet.
We'll be taking a raft.
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A buddy of mine has got a raft
and that's how we'll get down
to the ranch.
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Seriously? Yep. Come this way.
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This is amazing! Look at this.
And we're in bear country?
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So, there could be bears now?
Totally, totally.
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There could be bears either side
of us, or in front of us.
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You can go ahead, then.
BEN LAUGHS
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48-year-old Julius Strauss
was born in London.
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After college, he became
a journalist for The Telegraph,
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and by 27, was a foreign
correspondent sent to war zones.
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He had a £40,000 salary
and generous perks.
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But ten years of reporting on the
front line began to take its toll.
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Julius became ill,
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and, in 2005, he and then-girlfriend
Kristin quit their jobs,
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left Europe, bought an old campervan
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and drove across the wilds
of Canada.
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They stopped at a remote ranch
and never left.
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It's here where they now offer
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an unique wilderness experience
to visitors.
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THEY LAUGH
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THEY LAUGH
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That's certainly woken me up,
thank you!
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Pull again, please, guys.
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'And Julius is now one of
North America's top bear guides.'
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And stop. Take a break.
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So, are we getting near now, Julius?
Yeah, that's it there.
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Oh, look at that!
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That's the ranch
on the right-hand side, yeah.
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Wow!
This is incredibly beautiful here.
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The property covers 32 acres,
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with a main house
and six small guest cabins.
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This is absolutely beautiful.
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Has all of this changed a lot,
then, from when you first arrived?
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Have you done all this yourselves?
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We've done a lot, and it's very
different from when we arrived, yes.
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So it looks very different from
ten years ago. Mm-hm. Absolutely.
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And have you had to put a huge
amount of effort in here, then?
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We've had to put a huge amount.
And it wasn't just that.
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Right at the beginning,
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we didn't have the money
to buy what there was,
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so we had to take this
enormous risk.
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And, um...what we did is we
collected all the money we had,
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we put it down,
it came to just under half
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what the previous owners
wanted for it.
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So we promised them
that we would get
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the other half of the money
together within six months.
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And it took us five months
and about nine days,
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and by the end of it, we were
getting a little bit hot
under the collar.
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So we almost lost all our money
and this place,
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but then finally, the last minute,
it all came together.
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The couple still use all their old
sheds for storage
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and a outdoor toilet.
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And three of the cabins
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are still painted in their
original engine oil.
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But their main house,
made from fir-tree wood,
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is their pride and joy
and took six months to build.
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So, come in. Thank you very much.
This is very cosy in here.
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Oh, wow! So, did you start with,
like, a very basic structure
here and build up?
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Very basic. Very basic.
There was a little log cabin here.
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No foundation, no upstairs, nothing.
Just a simple log cabin.
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And for eight years,
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Kristin and I slept in that
little space right there.
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And then a couple of years ago,
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we decided to turn it into
what we wanted.
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We ripped out that wall,
put in some glass and, er...
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this is what you see now, yeah.
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Now, that massive gamble
you were saying that you took,
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you know, 50% promised later on,
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what kind of figure are we talking?
I mean, a huge amount?
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We, um...the place cost us around
£150,000,
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so we put down £75,000,
which was everything we had.
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And then, yeah, the balance
came a lot later, just in time.
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Just in time.
I love your smile there. Yeah.
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Was that...was that quite
a nerve-racking period?
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Yes, it was. Because I remember
when we got the mortgage,
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we went out and we got really drunk.
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Just being happy that we made it
and that we got the place.
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Otherwise, we would have lost
everything.
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We got so drunk, we forgot the name
of the place that we'd bought.
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Solar panels provide electricity.
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There's propane gas for cooking
and a water well.
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Julius and Kristin stay connected
to the outside world
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via a satellite dish for
the internet and telephone,
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but other than that,
they're on their own.
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We don't have any services
from the outside.
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We have no garbage pick-up,
no mail service, no fire cover.
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It's not all as posh as it seems.
I mean, we've got composting toilets
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and to make it look this smart,
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there's a lot of work that goes on
behind the scenes.
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But, basically, yeah, you
can have everything out here
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that you can have in a town,
you just have to work a bit harder.
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The start of the new tourist season
is a month away,
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so, until then,
I get a cabin of my own.
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I have to stay, I don't think
I've ever stayed in a wilderness
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that's quite as comfortable as this.
Ha-ha!
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Is that because of the guests?
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Yeah. We had to... You know,
we've had to put all the...
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every cent we have into
this place, basically.
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If we're going to ask people
to come here, it has to be nice.
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So, we've really tried hard.
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Is this really going to be my home?
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This is going to be your home, yeah.
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Oh, thank you very much.
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The cabins have metal roofs
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as protection from flying ash
during summer bushfires.
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But in winter,
there can be four feet of snow,
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so they all have wood-burning stoves
inside.
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Everything here, a lot of thought
has gone into it.
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And I like it because I am
in the middle of a wilderness,
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make no mistakes about that.
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And although it looks like
you have everything,
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you're still relying on the wood
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that you chop down
to create the heat.
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So, everything is still sort of
self-produced.
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This is the quintessential
off-the-grid
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luxurious cabin in the woods,
surrounded by bears.
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It's great.
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The work my hosts have done
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and the environment
might look picture-perfect,
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but I'm curious to know what things
were like for them in the beginning.
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We were so useless when we arrived.
We didn't know how to do anything.
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We didn't know where the water
came from.
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I remember going to Kristin
and saying,
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"Where does the water come from?"
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And she said, "It comes out of
the tap". And I thought, "Yeah".
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Two days later, we were, like,
"Well, where does that come from?"
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We were... We were really useless.
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And we did have a big dream
back then, you know,
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the dream of living in the bush.
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And with the tasks around here, is
there anything
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that either of you
are particularly bad at?
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Money. Good at? Money.
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Both of us. Money.
Useless. Absolutely useless.
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Who does it? Well, I was hoping that
Kristin would be the responsible one
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and she was hoping I would be. We
encourage each other at being bad.
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If one of us was clever,
financially,
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we'd probably have a much more
profitable business.
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But neither of us are.
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But the great thing about that is
at least we agree on things.
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KRISTIN LAUGHS
Yes.
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Deep in these forests at night,
the wildlife is active.
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I'm told it's not safe to go back
to my cabin alone.
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So, do you often take guests back,
escort them like this?
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Yeah. Last year, in the autumn,
we had to do it every night
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because I think we had
six different grizzlies around.
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Really? In camp here?
Yeah. During that ten days.
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So, we were getting a bit worried
about our guests' safety,
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so we escorted them back
every night.
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What do we do if we do
come across a bear now?
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We should stand still, be calm,
not run.
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And, er...that's it.
And wait for it to go away.
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Because it doesn't want to have
anything to do with us.
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Thank you very much for escorting me
back to my cabin safely.
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I'm actually rather disappointed
there aren't any bears,
if I'm to be honest.
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Well, who knows, they
might be sitting right there.
Maybe in the morning.
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Maybe in the morning. Yeah, exactly.
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Kristin, thank you so much.
Sleep well. I'll see you in
the morning. Good night.
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Fascinating couple.
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Most of the people that
I've spent time with in the wild
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have shunned finances.
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They've cut themselves off from
the grid in every sense of the word.
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Especially the financial grid.
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But here is a couple who have...
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I don't whether I'd use the word
"embraced",
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but they've got themselves
tangled up in finances.
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They've got themselves
a wilderness mortgage.
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That's a pretty unique situation
to find yourself in,
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which is kind of counterintuitive
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to coming to a place like this.
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'I'm in the Canadian wilderness home
of Julius and Kristin Strauss -
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'a remote lodging they've created
attracting visitors,
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'hoping to see bears in the wild.'
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I slept very well.
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The noise of the river is just
amazing, with the window open.
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So beautiful. 32 acres here, so
something tells me there's probably
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quite a lot of tasks
and jobs to do.
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'The first guests will arrive
next month, so Kristin,
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'who's in charge of accommodation
and food,
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'has me busy in the garden.'
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Do you grow fruits as well?
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No, we can't, because of the bears.
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It would be a huge attraction
so that wouldn't work out.
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Would they probably just crawl
their way in, would they?
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Yes. Absolutely and if a 300lb bear
climbs up the tree,
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you can imagine
they just break in half.
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'A local farm supplies meat
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'but it's the forest that's their
real larder and where they forage.'
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I'm still a little bit suspicious
about it. Are you? Yes.
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If it's a berry I know,
I'll pick it and if it's
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a mushroom I know, I'll pick it,
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but here people do that a lot.
Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
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'The garden itself
takes six hours to mow,
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'and then there's the maintenance
of the cabins.
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'Julius is the hiking
and bear-guide,
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'so before the start of the season,
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'he makes essential checks
on the river rafts.'
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What's the big black thing
underneath?
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Those things there are my...
The wings from my old aeroplane.
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What happened to it? I had a mishap.
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A mishap with an aeroplane
is never good,
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especially when there's only
one wing left.
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No, there are two wings, two wings.
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The body didn't survive
but the wings are still there.
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I bought it from a logger in Oregon
and he made it himself.
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It wasn't the best...
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A homemade aeroplane.
A homemade aeroplane and um,
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I crashed it the second time
I flew it.
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'Julius's attitude to life
is fascinating.'
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Very elegant. Perfect.
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'I'm keen to know more
about the path that took him
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'from frontline war journalist
to wilderness bear guide.'
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Ten years of war really
chews away at your head.
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And some of my friends were killed.
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A lot more had problems - alcohol
problems, some had drugs problems
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and I thought I was all OK and then
one day in Sierra Leone, in 2000,
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I got hit by... I didn't know
what I got hit by at the time.
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I just felt this horrible dread
and sense that I was going to die
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and my balance completely went
and I think in retrospect
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it's probably what we would
now call PTSD.
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And do you think coming to Canada,
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was this your way of overcoming
your post-traumatic stress?
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Ultimately I think it was. I mean
what happened was, I had just met
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Kristin. I'd been battling with this
whole post-traumatic stress thing
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for two or three years
and still working.
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I still went to Iraq and Afghanistan
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and I was trying to manage it
and then in September 2004,
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there was a horrible incident
in southern Russia, in Beslan,
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where more than 100 children
were killed and I was there
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and I came out that afternoon
and I had just met Kristin
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and I thought this has got to be
a changing point in my life.
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I can't do this any more.
I've just completely regressed
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in terms of all the progress
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I'd made over the last two
or three years.
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I've got a woman that cares for me,
loves me, and wants to be with me.
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So, maybe it's time for a change.
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And, so, Canada,
the idea of Canada came up.
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'This involved a 1,500km adventure
in an old camper van.
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'But it took its toll
on the new couple -
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'until Julius remembered
an advert he'd seen
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'about this secluded ranch.'
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I thought, "Ah, that's going
to be a good diversion."
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"I need a diversion before
she leaves me and buggers off
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"back to Europe."
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So, I stopped at an internet cafe
and looked it up.
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And I found it. I found out it was
for sale and I phoned up the real
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estate agents and said,
"Can we see it?"
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He said, "Are you serious
potential buyers?"
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I said, "Absolutely, definitely."
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I had no intention
of buying anything
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and that's how we came out here
and we were absolutely smitten.
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We left after an hour,
an hour and a half,
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set off down the road and I remember
I turned to her and said,
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"So, what do you think,
shall we just do it, buy it,
give up everything?"
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And she said, "OK, let's do it."
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'The couple had everything to learn.
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'They thought they'd bought
a ranch with
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'a viable bed and breakfast business
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'but after three months,
no guests and no enquiries,
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'they realised they'd been had.'
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I sat down with Kristin,
and we looked at each other.
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I think we were a bit slow
on the uptake.
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We looked at each other and said,
"There was no business, was there?"
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She's like, "No,
there was no business."
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So, that was when we suddenly
thought, "Shit, we've got to start
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"from scratch. We've got
to do something new."
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'Today, we're fixing a rotting fence
with 5lb wooden posts
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'but in the early days, they could
barely afford to stay here.'
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So, how did you turn it around?
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Slowly. We almost went
bust the first winter.
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I got a job in Alaska, luckily.
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A friend of mine called me up
who'd been offered the job
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and he couldn't do it and he said,
"Look, there's a job going
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"teaching journalism
at the University of Alaska.
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"Do you want to do it? And I'm like,
"Yeah, I definitely want to do it!"
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So, we went up to Alaska
for four months.
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I taught there and came back
in the spring.
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That gave us just a little bit
of money and allowed me
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to go off and train
as a grizzly bear guide.
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'Kristin trained as a chef
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'and together they gained the skills
to actually create the business
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'that had never existed.'
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I think for Julius and Kristin,
just moving here in the first place
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was pretty brave. They've come
from totally different worlds
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and they've come to the Canadian
wilderness, an extreme wilderness
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at that and then to take on
a business,
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that then transpired
to be a non-business,
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you know, they're ballsy risk takers
but they also work really hard
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to make sure that that risk
pays off.
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So far, it's Julius who seems
to be the driving force behind
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the risks they've taken, but he
did meet his match in Kristin.
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While at university in Estonia,
she married a diplomat.
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She was part of the country's
new elite and had
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a successful career of her own
at a leading news agency.
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But Kristin wasn't in love.
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Can I say that this is
the neatest pile of wood
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and the largest pile of wood
I think I've ever seen?
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Presumably though,
this is life out here,
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especially when it comes to winter.
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Yeah, you have no choice, because
we only have wood-burning stoves.
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This is what we do. It's the only
way to heat for us.
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Hey!
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Do you remember the first time
you met Julius?
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Yes, so I do remember it very well
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and I remember I didn't like him
very much, actually,
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the first time, when I met him.
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What did you think?
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I think he was really cocky,
actually! Did you?
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Yes, but a year later,
everything had changed,
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so then when we met a year later,
yeah, he was much nicer.
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And what did your family think
when they first met him?
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Oh, they thought I was crazy!
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Did they make their opinions known
to you? Yes, especially my mum!
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But actually my dad liked him
right away,
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so that made my life easier
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and right now my whole family adores
Julius because he's probably
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the most emotional person
we have in the crowd.
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And, obviously, you were actually
married when you met him, as well.
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Yes, yes. I was legally. So was he,
actually! Nobody has mentioned that!
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Yeah, we were both married
to somebody else but I think
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both marriages
were actually at the end.
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They were both crumbling, anyway.
Yeah, absolutely.
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Otherwise, it wouldn't have
happened, right? Of course.
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We both led kind of...
quite fancy lifestyles,
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and I think it was very healthy for
both of us to be removed from that
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status world and just
make it work here.
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You are as good as you are here.
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It doesn't matter how many
degrees you have or how much...
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And I remember... It's really
healthy for a person.
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The self-importance will disappear
very quickly because if you can't
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chop wood, you're useless, right?
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Yeah. On that note...
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It's spring and the snow-melt
from the mountains
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means the river's level
is at its highest.
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Upstream from the ranch, Julius has
asked me to help him with the most
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dangerous job he has to do - armed
with a chainsaw and a life-jacket.
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Fallen trees can create dams
in the river and this can be
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extremely dangerous for rafting.
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If the boat gets caught,
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it can be dragged under water
by the force of the current.
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So we have to clear the blockage.
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Doing this on your own is not
something you want to do,
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so it's good there
are two of us here.
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So that's what I've got this for.
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This is basically
your safety harness.
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You're going to clip it onto me,
you're going to hang onto me
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for dear life and when I do go in...
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You're going to trust me with
your life? You've only just met me!
When I go in, you let goof me.
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That's the deal. OK. Or you
follow me in. OK. Go on then.
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Just make sure you have one foot
safe before...
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..you go onto the next one.
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Can I say, of all the jobs I thought
you'd have out here, this is
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the last thing I thought I'd
be doing - standing on a raging
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Canadian river with a chainsaw.
This is usually the biggest hazard.
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00:21:20,590 --> 00:21:23,510
Well, this time last year,
I went straight into this river,
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a running chainsaw, high water.
Now you tell me!
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Yeah. So this will be my
first time out since then,
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so you're a brave man, Ben.
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OK, I've got it. You've got it?
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'Cutting too quickly and
the strength of the current
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'could snap the tree
and throw us into the river.'
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You happy, Julius?
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Happy so far! OK.
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'Here the water is ten feet deep
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'and it's flowing
at 15 kilometres per hour,
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'twice the speed of
an average river.
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00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:09,150
'When Julius first arrived here,
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'he was told these waters
were far too dangerous to raft.'
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CHAINSAW WHIRRS
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See how tense that is?
I can hear it starting to snap.
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00:22:23,630 --> 00:22:27,110
So that's the danger with these
things, there's so much pressure
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on it that we're not going to get
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much of a cut in before it's going
to go. Before it goes.
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Let's back up a little bit. Yeah.
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Whoa!
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She's close to going, isn't she?
Yeah.
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00:23:00,030 --> 00:23:02,350
OK. You OK? Yep. Well done!
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00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:04,990
Whoo!
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00:23:05,070 --> 00:23:07,550
Good job!
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Look at that!
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It's going to be sucked under,
I think.
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'Half of the 30ft tree
is finally released downstream.'
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00:23:15,150 --> 00:23:16,470
Look at it go!
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00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:20,590
Julius, I'm so impressed with that.
I'm quite impressed as well.
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00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:22,950
It didn't do anything over
here as well. Are you?
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00:23:23,070 --> 00:23:26,270
Is that quite... Do you get..
It's an adrenaline rush.
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An adrenaline rush. Do you still
need that adrenaline rush?
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You do! Do you think?
I can't answer that question.
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00:23:33,630 --> 00:23:36,430
But it strikes me... I know
you need to do all of this
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but I can see the smile on
your face now. I mean that's...
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It's total relief. Is it relief?
Yeah. No, no, no. It's... Yeah.
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Your heart rate goes up a bit.
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I don't know if I need
an adrenaline rush but life is
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a bit more interesting that way.
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'I could see there was genuine fear,
genuine nervousness there,
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'if one of those trees had
catapulted us both into the water,
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'as happened last time
he was there,'
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00:24:02,350 --> 00:24:06,510
that's quite a nerve-wracking
thing to take on again.
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But it seems to me that this
is part of the drive of his life.
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He is a risk-taker. Bears haven't
even come into this yet.
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They're still the big, invisible,
lurking mystery around us.
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00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:22,790
And that's the big thing
that keeps him here
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and undoubtedly with bears
come risk.
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00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:32,980
I'm deep in the Canadian wilderness.
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The climate here can hit extremes
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but in springtime,
it's very similar to home.
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Do you have a favourite season here?
467
00:24:41,660 --> 00:24:43,900
I mean it obviously gets
very cold here in the winter.
468
00:24:44,020 --> 00:24:46,220
Autumn... Autumn? ..when
the grizzlies are out.
469
00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:47,500
Is it all about the bears!
470
00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:49,980
It's all about the bears.
When the leaves are changing
471
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:52,780
and the grizzlies are out,
that's my favourite season.
472
00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:56,180
'At this time of year, the bears are
still high up in the mountains,
473
00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:59,620
'so we're packing essentials
for a hike up into the woods.'
474
00:24:59,740 --> 00:25:02,260
Obviously, a lot of people
are quite scared of bears.
475
00:25:02,340 --> 00:25:04,020
Are you quite fearful of them
476
00:25:04,140 --> 00:25:07,340
or is it just the beauty
that you're focusing on?
477
00:25:07,460 --> 00:25:10,340
I think you should never lose
your respect for bears.
478
00:25:10,460 --> 00:25:13,780
I probably have about one run-in
a year with a bear
479
00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:17,260
which is usually my fault and
something I've done slightly wrong
480
00:25:17,380 --> 00:25:20,540
and they are very tolerant
and they will allow you to get
481
00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:23,860
away with things but statistically,
you know, you could get mauled.
482
00:25:23,940 --> 00:25:25,140
You could get mauled.
483
00:25:25,260 --> 00:25:28,460
There was a guy I knew of.
He spent 30 years in Yellowstone,
484
00:25:28,580 --> 00:25:31,780
filming bears and he was mashed up
twice by bears and I think
485
00:25:31,900 --> 00:25:34,900
that's about the statistical
average. If you do it every day of
486
00:25:35,020 --> 00:25:37,820
your life for 30 years, things are
going to wrong at one point.
487
00:25:37,940 --> 00:25:40,860
But, you know, having the stuff
with you and being sensible
488
00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:42,860
will mitigate the risk a lot.
489
00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:52,260
'Upstream, we need to
cross the river
490
00:25:52,340 --> 00:25:53,940
and head further into the woods.
491
00:25:56,540 --> 00:26:00,260
Wow, look at this! What do
you think? This is incredible.
492
00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:06,020
That is being incredibly
resourceful to make this.
493
00:26:08,460 --> 00:26:10,820
Are you sure it's sturdy enough?
Trying it out.
494
00:26:10,940 --> 00:26:14,020
That is amazing. So that is
literally just a tree that
495
00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:16,820
has either fallen naturally
or someone's helped it.
496
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:18,140
We helped it.
497
00:26:18,260 --> 00:26:21,180
That must have been hard.
How did you do that with the water?
498
00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:24,060
The water was a little bit lower
and at the time I could just
499
00:26:24,140 --> 00:26:25,580
about scramble across.
500
00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:28,140
This is amazing.
It's like Indiana Jones now.
501
00:26:28,220 --> 00:26:29,820
It is, Indiana Jones in Canada.
502
00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:31,180
Has a bear used it yet?
503
00:26:31,300 --> 00:26:34,020
I don't know. I'd love to know
the answer to that question.
504
00:26:34,140 --> 00:26:36,420
It would be cool to see a bear
using your bridge. Totally.
505
00:26:38,740 --> 00:26:41,740
'We head up out of the valley
along tree-covered slopes.
506
00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:47,220
'Right now, this should be prime
bear-viewing habitat but it's not.'
507
00:26:48,820 --> 00:26:52,460
'The Canadian Government extended
the spring bear-hunting season,
508
00:26:52,580 --> 00:26:56,900
'so trophy hunters roam these valley
forests looking for grizzlies.'
509
00:26:59,740 --> 00:27:02,060
'Now, it's not safe
for Julius and Kristin
510
00:27:02,140 --> 00:27:03,940
'to take guests out to view bears.
511
00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:07,820
'They are campaigning
to get the hunt banned
512
00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:10,020
'and we're going in search of
new ground
513
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:11,820
'where the hunters can't reach.'
514
00:27:14,260 --> 00:27:17,260
We had a bear last year
called Apple, who we'd been watching
515
00:27:17,420 --> 00:27:21,780
for ten years, we watched her
bring up cubs, and she was shot
last spring. Now, I don't know
516
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:25,540
if she was shot within the extension
part or the basic part of the season
517
00:27:25,660 --> 00:27:28,620
but it's upsetting when something
like that happens.
518
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:30,540
From a business point of view,
519
00:27:30,660 --> 00:27:33,940
it's not totally disastrous
but it certainly means we're not
520
00:27:34,060 --> 00:27:37,380
going to make any money. We might
survive but it's going to be tough.
521
00:27:37,460 --> 00:27:39,500
And is it expensive to kill a bear?
522
00:27:39,620 --> 00:27:42,540
If you're a resident - and all
the bears shot round here are
523
00:27:42,660 --> 00:27:46,220
shot by residents -
it's going to cost you $88. $88.
524
00:27:46,340 --> 00:27:49,700
That's less than £50. $88 to kill
a bear, to take a bear's life.
525
00:27:49,820 --> 00:27:52,700
Are we talking a big grizzly?
Yep, that's a grizzly bear.
526
00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:54,860
What?!
What planet are they living on?
527
00:27:54,980 --> 00:27:58,580
I know. Seriously, I thought you
were gonna say thousands. No, $88.
528
00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:02,340
Do you feel in some ways that you're
in the midst of a war then now?
529
00:28:02,460 --> 00:28:05,060
Yeah, I mean if we could get
the grizzly hunt banned,
530
00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:07,420
that would be something
we could be proud of
531
00:28:07,540 --> 00:28:10,140
and it would be a legacy. Whatever
happens to us happens to us.
532
00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:13,020
We may be here for
another ten years, 20 years,
we could be here forever
533
00:28:13,140 --> 00:28:15,140
but it would be a legacy
that we could leave behind,
534
00:28:15,260 --> 00:28:19,300
something that was meaningful
and hopefully permanent.
535
00:28:19,380 --> 00:28:22,020
So, yeah, it would be a huge deal.
536
00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:25,500
I think part of the reason we came
here was to get away from politics
537
00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:28,020
and some of the worst of
human nature and what you find
538
00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:30,980
is everywhere you go in the world,
it doesn't matter where you are,
539
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:33,500
there's politics and
there's human nature and you
540
00:28:33,620 --> 00:28:36,980
can't really get away from that.
You just have to deal with it.
541
00:28:40,540 --> 00:28:44,300
'There are nearly 15,000 grizzly
bears in British Columbia -
542
00:28:44,420 --> 00:28:47,900
'about a quarter of the entire
North American population.'
543
00:28:49,820 --> 00:28:53,940
'Julius thinks there may be several
hundred in this area alone.'
544
00:28:54,060 --> 00:28:57,020
So, what do you look for,
for good bear habitat?
545
00:28:57,140 --> 00:29:01,180
This. This is exactly what you look
for. You look for avalanche slopes.
546
00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:03,940
I mean, they're unlikely to be
on the snow itself
547
00:29:04,060 --> 00:29:06,580
but just on the sides,
where the fresh green stuff
548
00:29:06,660 --> 00:29:08,460
is beginning to come in.
549
00:29:08,580 --> 00:29:11,940
That's the best place to find
grizzly bears at this time of year.
550
00:29:12,060 --> 00:29:15,020
And when you say fresh green stuff,
I mean berries, latterly,
551
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:16,340
later in the year...
552
00:29:16,460 --> 00:29:19,540
Later in the year, berries
but right now it's literally...
553
00:29:19,660 --> 00:29:22,820
it's grass, it's forbs,
it's young flowers, glacier lilies,
554
00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:24,060
all that kind of stuff -
555
00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:27,980
things that have got... They don't
look like much to us but in quantity
556
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:31,540
it's just enough to keep the bear
surviving through the spring.
557
00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:33,300
What do you think it is about bears
558
00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:35,940
that captures people's
imaginations so much?
559
00:29:36,060 --> 00:29:38,900
I mean, you were saying
you've got people that come here,
560
00:29:39,020 --> 00:29:43,020
big, grown, tough men and when
they see a bear, you see tears.
561
00:29:43,140 --> 00:29:46,940
It's totemic. It harks back
to an era of something that's
562
00:29:47,060 --> 00:29:49,620
mostly been lost in this world -
the wild.
563
00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:54,020
You know, the wild out there, but
also the wild inside us, as well,
564
00:29:54,140 --> 00:29:57,180
something we yearn for deeply, even
if we can't quite
565
00:29:57,260 --> 00:29:58,820
express that always.
566
00:29:58,940 --> 00:30:00,580
I think there's something
quite deep there.
567
00:30:06,380 --> 00:30:10,100
'After two hours of hiking, we're
now on an abandoned logging trail
568
00:30:10,220 --> 00:30:12,900
'and spot of our first sign
that we're not alone.'
569
00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:17,180
This is what we're after, isn't it?
Mm. Yum, yum.
570
00:30:22,660 --> 00:30:25,740
You wouldn't want to pick this apart
with your hands if it was fish
571
00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:28,140
but because it's vegetation,
it's fairly safe.
572
00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:32,740
So, that's some kind of maybe skunk
cabbage or something like this.
573
00:30:32,860 --> 00:30:36,860
Mm-hm. And any idea what kind of
bear this might be? Black? Grizzly?
574
00:30:36,980 --> 00:30:40,420
It's really difficult to say.
You can't tell, definitively.
575
00:30:40,540 --> 00:30:43,380
You can guess from the size
and you can guess from what
576
00:30:43,460 --> 00:30:44,980
they've been eating.
577
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:47,980
Erm... I couldn't tell you,
actually. It could go either way.
578
00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:49,220
Could be either.
579
00:30:49,340 --> 00:30:51,940
Did you ever think when you were
in Afghanistan that one day
580
00:30:52,060 --> 00:30:54,380
you'd be picking through bear shit
with your bear hands...
581
00:30:54,460 --> 00:30:56,140
No! ..in the pouring rain?
582
00:30:56,260 --> 00:30:58,620
Not in my wildest imagination
did I think that.
583
00:30:58,740 --> 00:31:01,700
Strange how life takes
its twists and turns. Yeah.
584
00:31:01,820 --> 00:31:05,300
Well, we know bears are around.
This is good. We certainly do.
585
00:31:08,580 --> 00:31:12,180
It's amazing to see.
He's like a detective,
586
00:31:12,340 --> 00:31:17,020
looking at all the scat
on the way and you can see
we're in the world of Julius
587
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:18,940
and the Canadian wilderness now.
588
00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:32,100
'Finally, up ahead on the track,
we spot a black bear.'
589
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:38,740
He or she is gone.
590
00:31:40,540 --> 00:31:42,300
'We attempt to track it.'
591
00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:47,620
WHISPERS: Just up here on the left.
592
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:49,620
We may miss him again.
593
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:50,980
We'll just have a look.
594
00:31:57,820 --> 00:32:00,580
WHISPERS: He went in about here
but he might come out further down
595
00:32:00,660 --> 00:32:02,340
or he might go up. OK.
596
00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:12,660
WHISPERS: Look at the tracks.
Awesome. That's great, isn't it?
597
00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:19,540
So, black bear -
any idea of sort of age?
598
00:32:19,660 --> 00:32:22,740
Youngish, but you can see
from the tracks definitively,
599
00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:26,180
it's a black bear, even if we
hadn't seen that ourselves. Yeah.
600
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:28,900
You can tell from the tracks
it's a black bear.
601
00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:31,460
I would say four
but it's a bit of a guess.
602
00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:35,420
Let's walk up to the corner
and we might still see him.
603
00:32:35,540 --> 00:32:38,580
It's fun tracking bears.
It's good, isn't it?
604
00:32:43,780 --> 00:32:46,900
WHISPERS: Yeah. He's still
in front of us, somewhere. Yeah.
605
00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:49,420
There it is. Yeah.
606
00:33:00,940 --> 00:33:03,220
So, the bear's just having
a little think now,
607
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:06,060
making a bit of a calculation.
608
00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:09,020
He doesn't really want to leave
this nice feeding zone
609
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:10,820
but he's not quite sure about us.
610
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:13,100
Whoops! And he's gone.
611
00:33:16,540 --> 00:33:18,100
Wow, that was pretty awesome.
612
00:33:22,020 --> 00:33:23,700
Amazing how such a big creature
613
00:33:23,820 --> 00:33:26,060
can just disappear like that,
isn't it? I know.
614
00:33:27,940 --> 00:33:29,780
It shouldn't be this difficult.
615
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:32,780
But do you think one of the things
that's made it harder here
616
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:36,140
is because it's the hunting season,
so they're much more skittish?
617
00:33:36,260 --> 00:33:39,980
Absolutely. I mean, really, bears
have no reason to be scared of us -
618
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:42,140
if it wasn't for hunting.
We're not...
619
00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:44,220
They don't naturally predate on us.
620
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:47,340
We don't naturally bother them
so this behaviour
621
00:33:47,460 --> 00:33:50,620
is unfortunately brought about
through the hunting. Yeah.
622
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:52,900
But, still, we saw a bear.
623
00:33:53,020 --> 00:33:56,940
Listen, I've seen my black bear now.
Yeah. Just a grizzly.
624
00:33:57,020 --> 00:33:59,220
Now we just need a grizzly. OK.
625
00:34:04,180 --> 00:34:07,660
'It's ten hours since we left
the ranch and Julius decides
626
00:34:07,780 --> 00:34:10,020
'we should set up camp
before nightfall.
627
00:34:12,260 --> 00:34:15,180
'Dusk and dawn are the main times
when bears are active.'
628
00:34:16,780 --> 00:34:19,780
Are we going to be attracting
bears with these? We might.
629
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:22,660
We'll have to eat them and make sure
we clean up properly.
630
00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:25,460
If you were to have a big pile
of bacon and you got it all over
631
00:34:25,580 --> 00:34:28,340
your T-shirt you definitely wouldn't
want to go and sleep in that
632
00:34:28,420 --> 00:34:29,860
same T-shirt in the tent.
633
00:34:31,700 --> 00:34:34,980
All those years you spent
in those pretty tough situations,
634
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:38,260
seeing things that
some of us can't imagine,
635
00:34:38,380 --> 00:34:41,980
do you think that has had
a long-lasting effect on you?
636
00:34:42,060 --> 00:34:43,660
Do you bear the scars?
637
00:34:43,740 --> 00:34:45,940
Yes, the scars will always be there.
638
00:34:46,060 --> 00:34:50,180
I mean, ten years ago, when
I came here, I was in a mess.
639
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:54,540
You know, no two ways about it.
Psychologically, I was in a mess.
640
00:34:54,660 --> 00:34:58,460
In the end, I could barely go out
on the street on my own.
641
00:34:58,580 --> 00:35:00,980
I couldn't drive a car
for nearly two years.
642
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:05,380
I had problems with my balance
and there was a feeling of dread.
643
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:09,460
Um... And then coming here,
it still lasted for quite a while
644
00:35:09,580 --> 00:35:12,140
but it got less and less and less
as time went by.
645
00:35:12,260 --> 00:35:15,860
I still have the odd flash
of something,
646
00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:18,860
a sort of remnant
of whatever it was
647
00:35:18,980 --> 00:35:22,980
but most of it has gone. So I think
this place has been good to me.
648
00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:35,620
'In the remote mountains
of British Columbia,
649
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:37,420
'my host Julius and I are up early
650
00:35:37,540 --> 00:35:39,580
'on our mission
to track grizzly bears.'
651
00:35:41,020 --> 00:35:42,780
So, it's about...
652
00:35:46,020 --> 00:35:47,740
..five in the morning or so.
653
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:53,540
I'm hoping they're
foraging somewhere.
654
00:35:53,660 --> 00:35:56,020
200,000 berries a day
apparently they eat.
655
00:36:03,340 --> 00:36:05,540
'We head further
into the wilderness.
656
00:36:05,660 --> 00:36:08,140
'Julius thinks that over
the past few decades,
657
00:36:08,260 --> 00:36:11,060
'only a handful of people
have ever ventured here.'
658
00:36:12,460 --> 00:36:15,540
In terms of southern Canada,
this is about as remote as it gets.
659
00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:16,740
Really? Yeah.
660
00:36:16,860 --> 00:36:20,140
I love looking up at the peaks here
and imagining there are places
661
00:36:20,220 --> 00:36:22,420
where no human has ever set foot.
662
00:36:22,540 --> 00:36:24,620
You know, I've thought
about that a lot.
663
00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:27,260
You could almost go 100 yards
into the bush there
664
00:36:27,380 --> 00:36:29,780
and say with some certainty
the same thing.
665
00:36:29,860 --> 00:36:31,300
Isn't that amazing? Yeah.
666
00:36:36,340 --> 00:36:39,660
'Finally, there's evidence
we're in grizzly bear territory.'
667
00:36:41,860 --> 00:36:43,380
Whoa! Look at that!
668
00:36:45,340 --> 00:36:48,340
So that is one of the biggest
bear turds I have ever seen.
669
00:36:49,660 --> 00:36:51,020
Wow. Big grizzly?
670
00:36:51,140 --> 00:36:54,620
It's almost worth feeling
the temperature of it. It's cold.
671
00:36:56,020 --> 00:36:57,620
Yeah, big grizzly bear, that.
672
00:36:57,740 --> 00:37:00,780
And if you look at the shininess
and the greenness of that,
673
00:37:00,860 --> 00:37:03,820
it is cold but it's got to be today.
674
00:37:03,940 --> 00:37:07,140
I'm loving your enthusiasm
for turds out here. It's great.
675
00:37:07,220 --> 00:37:09,020
It's just such a good turd.
676
00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:10,620
BEN LAUGHS
677
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:14,860
'At this time of year,
678
00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:18,220
'the grizzly bears are in danger
from trophy hunters.
679
00:37:18,340 --> 00:37:22,020
'The new extension in the hunting
season means there's huge conflict
680
00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:25,780
'with those who simply want to view
bears in their natural habitat.'
681
00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:32,260
'We've trekked to 6,000 feet
to avoid the hunters.
682
00:37:32,380 --> 00:37:34,700
'But Julius spies something
in the valley below.'
683
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:40,460
So we've got a vehicle
right down there. Good spot.
684
00:37:41,780 --> 00:37:43,580
Let's just have a little look.
685
00:37:45,940 --> 00:37:49,180
That's almost certainly a hunter,
so from our perspective
686
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:52,780
not only are we going to see
less bears than we otherwise would
687
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:56,940
but also these guys are out to shoot
the bears that we're trying to view,
688
00:37:57,020 --> 00:37:59,300
so that's pretty infuriating.
689
00:37:59,420 --> 00:38:02,900
I can see that - anger, emotion,
everything seems to...
690
00:38:03,020 --> 00:38:05,540
Yeah, we've spent ten years
trying to do this
691
00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:09,060
and then somebody can just turn up
and blow that bear away
692
00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:12,460
and that's the end
of that...for $88.
693
00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:15,020
Doesn't make me happy.
694
00:38:15,140 --> 00:38:17,980
I kind of want to go and suggest
slashing their tyres.
695
00:38:19,580 --> 00:38:21,900
That would be your call, not mine.
Yeah, yeah.
696
00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:24,980
To be honest, we've been
through all those emotions
697
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:27,140
and we're trying to win
the argument rationally now
698
00:38:27,260 --> 00:38:29,020
because we just want
people to listen.
699
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:31,700
It's really, really irritating.
700
00:38:31,820 --> 00:38:33,740
Because, presumably,
if you're a bear,
701
00:38:33,860 --> 00:38:36,740
you're going to scarper
at any sign of... Yeah.
702
00:38:36,860 --> 00:38:39,140
So, it will hurt our chances,
anyway,
703
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:42,860
because these guys are up here
in general but the fact that they're
up here today is definitely
704
00:38:42,940 --> 00:38:44,340
going to hurt our chances.
705
00:38:44,420 --> 00:38:45,780
Yeah.
706
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:49,460
I'm curious - how much revenue
can they actually bring in?
707
00:38:49,580 --> 00:38:53,220
If it's $88 per bear, as you've
said, which I'm still shocked by,
708
00:38:53,340 --> 00:38:56,020
how does that compare to tourism,
for example -
709
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:57,980
what you guys are doing?
710
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:00,740
If you're a foreigner, you pay
a bit more to shoot a bear here
711
00:39:00,820 --> 00:39:02,220
than the locals do.
712
00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:04,860
But total, total, total
for the province,
713
00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:08,780
best case scenario, they bring in
about two million bucks a year.
714
00:39:08,860 --> 00:39:10,540
The hunters? The hunters.
715
00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:15,780
And bear viewing, right now,
our best estimates are 40 million.
716
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:19,020
$40 million a year and it's
a small, growing industry.
717
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:20,740
So there's really no...
718
00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:24,540
So there's no argument even
that the money from bear hunting
719
00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:29,900
is superior or could
go back into conservation. No.
720
00:39:29,980 --> 00:39:31,820
In fact, it's even worse than that.
721
00:39:31,940 --> 00:39:36,980
People in the ministry tell us they
spend more money regulating the hunt
722
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:40,700
than they bring in in income
from it. Now, if that's true,
723
00:39:40,820 --> 00:39:43,740
it means that as a British
Columbian, paying taxes,
724
00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:45,900
I'm subsidising
what's going on down there
725
00:39:46,020 --> 00:39:48,100
and that really, really
pisses me off.
726
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:51,700
Yeah.
727
00:39:54,020 --> 00:39:56,260
'In the autumn, when there's
no bear hunting,
728
00:39:56,380 --> 00:39:59,020
'the grizzlies are spotted
in huge numbers here.
729
00:40:01,020 --> 00:40:03,940
'But after my 24 hours in the bush,
they remain elusive.'
730
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:09,860
I think what was more significant
for me was what we didn't see
731
00:40:09,980 --> 00:40:14,380
and that's what Julius really
wanted to drive home to me.
732
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:16,860
This extension
of the hunting season,
733
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:19,780
the hunters, they're having
a huge impact
734
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:22,820
and for someone like Julius
and Kristin who rely on
735
00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:27,260
those bears for tourism,
that's got a massive impact
736
00:40:27,380 --> 00:40:30,900
and for the bears themselves,
they're retreating
737
00:40:31,020 --> 00:40:35,980
to the deep wilderness but, you
know, I still saw that black bear.
738
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:40,100
It's a magical experience
to see one of these creatures.
739
00:40:40,220 --> 00:40:44,500
They're... It's so rare that
you actually get to see one
740
00:40:44,620 --> 00:40:47,860
that close-up on foot.
It was amazing.
741
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:55,860
'It's almost time for me to leave
but there's one last job Julius
742
00:40:55,940 --> 00:40:57,460
'and Kristin need help with.'
743
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:00,860
It does feel good
putting the sign up.
744
00:41:00,980 --> 00:41:04,860
We're kind of proud of what we do,
you know? We're not ashamed of it.
745
00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:07,980
Is there a part of you...
We know there's hunters out there.
746
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:11,300
They're going to be coming up
and down this road, aren't they?
747
00:41:11,420 --> 00:41:13,780
Yeah, they're not going
to like what they see
748
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:15,980
but, you know, we have
a right to be here, too.
749
00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:18,020
If the hunt is banned,
that's different.
750
00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:20,380
But, right now, they have
a right to do what they do,
751
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:22,660
so, for the time being,
we'll just do what we do.
752
00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:27,180
In a dream world, if I come back
in five, ten years, do you...
753
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:29,860
I suppose you hope
you might have helped
754
00:41:29,940 --> 00:41:31,980
change policy out here?
755
00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:33,580
Yeah, I think so.
756
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:36,860
I would think five, ten years is
a realistic target for us, actually,
757
00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:39,220
to have the bear hunt banned.
Absolutely.
758
00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:42,140
I hope it will be sooner than that.
Me too! And we're trying hard.
759
00:41:42,260 --> 00:41:43,980
This is being conservative, yeah.
Yeah.
760
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:46,380
Five to ten years
should be realistic, as well.
761
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:49,100
Do you think it will happen? Yeah,
it will happen, it will happen.
762
00:41:49,220 --> 00:41:51,820
It's just a question of time.
Absolutely.
763
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:53,300
It looks great, well done.
764
00:41:53,420 --> 00:41:55,940
Really, well done.
Thank you very much. It's brilliant.
765
00:41:56,020 --> 00:41:57,500
I don't doubt you both.
766
00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:05,820
'There's something rather special
about spending time
767
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:07,140
'with two individuals
768
00:42:07,220 --> 00:42:08,860
'that love where they are.'
769
00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:10,460
Wow.
770
00:42:10,580 --> 00:42:13,260
'You know, here's a couple
that have taken huge gambles
771
00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:16,780
'but, you know, sometimes,
if you don't take a risk in life,
772
00:42:16,860 --> 00:42:19,660
'you don't stand to benefit.
773
00:42:19,780 --> 00:42:24,060
'Those who take the biggest risks
stand to benefit the most.'
774
00:42:24,180 --> 00:42:27,700
They're still tied to the financial
model but that's the beauty
775
00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:29,620
of what they've done here.
776
00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:33,460
They've shown and demonstrated
to people that you can...
777
00:42:33,580 --> 00:42:38,340
You can do this if you're
willing to take that gamble.
778
00:42:39,580 --> 00:42:42,300
Can I say, guys, this has been
the most amazing, amazing trip.
779
00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:44,420
I'm not going to forget
that black bear.
780
00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:45,860
It's been awesome having you.
781
00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:48,300
It's been incredible. Give me a hug.
Thank you so much.
782
00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:49,780
Look after yourself. I will.
783
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,500
Thank you. Kristin,
thank you so much for everything.
784
00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:56,100
Thank you for coming. Good luck
with everything here. Bye, dogs.
785
00:42:56,220 --> 00:42:58,180
Thank you. Remind me
where I left the car.
786
00:42:58,260 --> 00:43:00,460
By the bridge, that way. That way.
787
00:43:00,580 --> 00:43:03,740
I bet I'm going to meet
a grizzly on my way out, aren't I?
788
00:43:03,820 --> 00:43:05,340
Let us know if you do.
789
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:08,180
A little smirk on your face.
I kind of hope I do.
790
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:10,540
Listen, guys,
thank you so much. Take care.
791
00:43:10,660 --> 00:43:13,020
Thank you for coming, Ben.
Bye, guys! Bye!
792
00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:18,900
'I think what's interesting as well,
from my perspective, is that I've
793
00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:23,420
'always known that the wilderness
is a great form of therapy.'
794
00:43:23,540 --> 00:43:28,900
The wilderness can heal people.
The wilderness can educate people.
795
00:43:29,020 --> 00:43:32,700
And it's fascinating
to see how much Julius
796
00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:36,900
has benefitted, in particular,
from a wilderness like this.
797
00:43:37,020 --> 00:43:40,820
This is a circumstance where I'd go
as far as to say that the wilderness
798
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:42,220
saved his life, really.
799
00:43:48,020 --> 00:43:50,740
'Next time...I'm in Ibiza,
800
00:43:50,860 --> 00:43:53,660
'living with a man
who's built a home from junk.'
801
00:43:53,780 --> 00:43:56,540
It's all really good material.
It's not garbage.
802
00:43:56,620 --> 00:43:57,940
'Leading a wild tribe...'
803
00:43:58,060 --> 00:44:00,420
I don't know which planet
you're from.
804
00:44:00,540 --> 00:44:03,380
'..on a mission to build
a community before time runs out.'
805
00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:06,420
If nothing changes, I think
we've got five years left
806
00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:09,980
and then it's all over. Five years?
Before the 'S' hits the fan.
70186
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