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- This a Tom Ford custom.
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- Oh beautiful.
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- So I need something that goes
with this.
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- Okay.
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- And then if you have other red
tie pocket square combos.
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- Yep.
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- I'm-I'm shopping for.
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- Okay.
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- I'm looking for something
louder than this.
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- Okay.
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- Pops.
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- Pops.
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- Pops.
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- Okay
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- I'm taking those too.
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Definitely.
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We made a sale.
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Presentation is everything.
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- Roman Reigns, flanked, of
course, by the special counsel
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to the tribal chief,
Paul Heyman.
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There's no denying Mr. Heyman's
credentials, he has managed
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winners for 40 years now.
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- What compels you to
want to be great?
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My father was a personal injury
attorney in the Bronx.
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My mother was a Holocaust
survivor.
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That lives inside of me every
single day.
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- Paul E. Dangerously.
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That's right.
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The yuppie gone bad.
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- He can make people see things
that he sees in them
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that they don't see in
themselves.
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- The most powerful manager
in this sport.
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- Without Paul Heyman, this
business wouldn't be what it is.
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- This is EC [bleep] W.
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Both of my parents were
different.
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I was going to be a bit
different.
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I was a disruptor.
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- Paul did not get along with
everyone
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he needed to get along with.
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- What you got is my ideas and
you stole my legacy.
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I was immature,
I was a schmuck.
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I was thrown out the door.
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It was very frustrating.
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Infuriating.
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Fatherhood was the great game
changer.
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Fatherhood forced me to learn
accountability.
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- Paul's got nine lives.
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He's going to land cat like.
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- You had the temerity to doubt
the greatest manager
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in Sports Entertainment history.
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- Paul talks people listen
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That's a gift.
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- They ain't gonna cancel me
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because they know if they do,
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I'm coming back bigger, badder,
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stronger than ever before.
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- The great Paul Heyman.
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- He's an impeccable character.
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Great storyteller.
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- The harder the fight, the
greater the blessing.
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Cinema
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Was a big part of my childhood.
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In fact, my parents encouraged
me to pursue
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an appreciation for the arts.
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And part of the arts is cinema.
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Watching great performances.
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These are frames of reference
for me.
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When I watch a James Cagney, a
Laurence Olivier.
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When I watch someone completely
inhabit the character,
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a Tom Hardy, a Gary Oldman.
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- Never said a word.
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- I get very jealous or envious
of the greatness that that
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person got to achieve, and I
want to experience that high.
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There won't be no plea for
absolution or benediction.
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That's my fix.
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That's my drug of choice.
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Step out from a shadow of a
national monument.
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Greatness is greatness.
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I deliver spoilers.
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That's who I want to be.
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The GOAT of all GOATs.
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I was bound to be the greatest
disappointment
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of my mother's life.
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If I ended up being anything,
but the replacement for God.
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Anything short of that and my
mother would feel I didn't live
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up to my potential or my
responsibility as her son.
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My father, on the other hand,
was going to encourage me
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no matter what I did in my life,
because that was just
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the nature of that man.
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My father was a personal injury
attorney in the Bronx.
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From the day that
he passed the bar,
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He loved being a lawyer,
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and that's what he wanted
for his son.
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The same passion.
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The same love for what I was
doing, no matter what it was.
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But my mother,
on the other hand,
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she saw things a
little differently.
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And considering what she went
through in life,
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I understand that.
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My mother was a Holocaust
survivor, survived
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the Lodz ghetto, Auschwitz and
Bergen-Belsen.
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Every moment of every second,
of every minute
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of every hour of every day.
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Trauma.
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And that's what a Holocaust
survivor went through.
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So, the demands for my mother's
own vision for her only child.
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It's-It's not meant for human
comprehension.
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Because what she lived through
was inhumane.
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I don't know how that
affected me.
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This much, I can tell you.
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I don't blink in life.
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I'm ready for anything.
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When I was 7 or 8, my mother
would come to me,
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when my parents would go out
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on a Friday or
Saturday night and say,
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"If your father and I get hit by
a drunk driver,
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or if something goes wrong and
we never come home,
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you be ready for life.
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You move forward and you don't
let the past drag you behind."
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That was Sulamita Szarf-Heyman
and that lives inside her son.
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There was no stopping me.
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The first time I saw
professional wrestling,
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I was ten years old.
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- I'm the man of the hour.
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The man with the power,
too sweet to be sour.
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- And I was mesmerized by
Superstar Billy Graham.
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And I was a fan from that
moment on.
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- And the fans go wild.
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- I wanted to be part of it.
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I wanted to be inside on it.
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That's where I'm supposed to be.
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That's what I went after.
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All I had to do was seize
the moment.
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Born a New Yorker-
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on the Lower East Side of New
York at that time,
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especially in the 1970s,
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there were a lot of free,
radical newspapers.
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Now, one of these newspapers
actually had a sports column,
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which was more
of a gossip column.
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The reporter had chronicled the
fact that after Madison Square
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Garden, Vincent James McMahon
would take his inner circle
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to Ben Benson's Steakhouse
in New York City.
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This newspaper probably had a
circulation of about
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150 or 200 people.
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So there's no way that Vincent
James McMahon knew that his
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aftershow steak dinners were
being reported somewhere.
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So I called the WWE and I chased
down a conversation
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with Vince McMahon and
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I claimed to have been at Ben
Benson's Steakhouse,
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where I ran into Vincent James
McMahon and mentioned to him
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that I needed a press pass for
Madison Square Garden.
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And it worked.
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Where at 15 years old
with a great line of BS
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and a camera around my neck.
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I got in backstage behind the
scenes to start learning the
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inner workings of the business.
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- Many times we'd go to the
Garden and uh, Paul
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would be in the back in the
locker room with us.
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He just became part of the
woodwork and part of the family.
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Very interesting to listen to,
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and he always spoke up and gave
his opinion, which I felt was
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really a tremendous gift to do
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at that time his young age.
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And Paul had a lot of questions
and that's how you learn.
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- I got to see how the show was
run, and I was there
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when Vincent James McMahon
passed the torch
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to Vincent Kennedy McMahon.
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So I saw the transition.
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I watched pro wrestling become
Sports Entertainment,
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- The wrestling extravaganza
of all time,
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WrestleMania.
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- My education was going to be
out there in the real world.
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I was bored out of my mind going
to school.
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I went to college.
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I got an associates degree in
three semesters and really had
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no desire to continue.
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There just weren't enough hours
in the day for me.
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I was 17, 18, 19 years old.
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I wanted to do it all.
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I went from being a photographer
to becoming the editor at three
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wrestling magazines that had
national distribution
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on the newsstands.
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I was a house photographer at
Studio 54, the world's most
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famous nightclub, that became
the in-house publicist,
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that also became then a producer
and a promoter as well.
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- I met Paul in March of 1985,
when I returned back to my old
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high school, which was running
an independent wrestling show,
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and Paul Heyman was taking
photographs.
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I was surprised to see someone
who had that many
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responsibilities at such
a young age.
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Both of us, 19 years old
and I was wrestling.
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Paul was pulling the strings.
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- I wanted to write and direct
and produce the shows.
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That was my dream.
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I had gotten in as far as I
could get in.
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I was never going to be able to
give instructions to the talent
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if I didn't have the cachet of
understanding their lives.
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So I had to become a performer
as my ticket in, and I developed
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the-the character of Paul E.
Dangerously,
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and lo and behold it hit-
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Fast.
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- You excited?
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- I was born for this [bleep]
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This is-
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- I know.
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This is chump change for you.
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- Nothing is chump change.
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Everything counts.
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- You're right
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- Everything counts.
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See in the old days.
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Megan would not be so lucky.
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Because-
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She's barefoot right now.
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And in the old days, I would
step on her feet before the
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interview so that she looks at
me like this.
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Because if the interviewer has
contempt and disdain for me,
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so will you as the audience.
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Just another little trick of
being a villain.
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Method acting.
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There were two guys that I had
known from taking pictures of
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them, and I started booking us
out throughout the Northeast
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Independents as a manager
and a tag team.
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So I'm six months into my run
and I wind up in Verne Gagne's
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AWA, which airs daily at 4:00 in
the afternoon on ESPN.
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This is enormous national
exposure.
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- He's a man of a few thousand
well-chosen words.
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- The mid 80s, the age
of the yuppie
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and the Gordon Gekko wannabe.
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AndIt permeated every room ely
intensthat I walked in.Yorker.
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Now, there was a movie in the
mid 80s called Johnny
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Dangerously, so I took the name
Paul E. Dangerously because it
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was so outlandish,
so over-the-top,
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that it drew your attention.
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When Paul E. Dangerously wants
to know something he finds out
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by picking up the phone.
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In 1987, the role of the
manager was already dying off.
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The manager would set up the
client's promo.
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Isn't that right, Golden Boy?
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- That's right.
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- And then inevitably interfere
in the match and/or get beat up
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on a nightly basis by the hero.
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- Would you say that Mr.
Dangerously is not exactly the
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favorite here tonight?
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- I think that you may have made
the understatement of the year.
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- Paul and I met each other in
the AWA, and so seeing his work
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as a manager, I think everybody
just knew that
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obviously was talented.
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- The greatest professional
wrestling manager
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in the world.
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- I drove the Gagnes nuts.
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I couldn't stand how old school
the AWA was, and the fact that
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just a young, vibrant
personality on their television
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show could get so much momentum
simply because I was young
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and vibrant, told me everything
I needed to know.
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So by the time I got a job in
WCW, they already knew we're
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bringing on someone that's going
to change the way we do things
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behind the scenes.
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If you want me to prove to you
that 1989 is going to be the
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year of Living Dangerously, I'm
going to prove it to you.
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- Paul was very good.
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Here's a guy
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that had been grown up and
groomed to do this stuff,
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and a brilliant mind who helps
make his people better.
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- Nobody's been able to stop
this mind.
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And now I got this man
backing me.
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And what we can do together,
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No man can stop.
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- First impressions of meeting
a young Paul Heyman.
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Loud and energetic,
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but passionate.
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Paul's always been very
passionate about this business,
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and when you're trying to come
up in this business,
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you can get discouraged
pretty quick.
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And Paul may be one of the best
cheerleaders out there.
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You know, we're traveling
together and just his
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energy is infectious.
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- You never will be half
the man that this man is.
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- He formed the Dangerous
Alliance,
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which I think is one of the most
overlooked factions
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in wrestling history.
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- It's an alliance of
businessmen,
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who will bring WCW down
to its knees.
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Steve, you're the man.
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- Paul and I had bonded
tremendously in WCW
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as he was my manager.
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Paul E. was one of the people
in my life who was paramount
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as far as my success
in this business.
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- That was a star making
moment for me.
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All of a sudden I'm on the cover
of magazines.
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I could get into the newspapers,
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which were big back
in those days.
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Before the internet,
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being in the newspaper
was everything.
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- We're on the road in WCW and
Paul's like,
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"Hey, hey, hey you, it's a
Monday night.
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Hey, let's go to the China
Club."
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China Club was hot
in New York City.
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I mean, it was the place to be.
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There was a line out the door
down the street and I'm like,
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"Oh, Paul."
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He goes, "Nah,
we ain't waiting in line."
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So we didn't.
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We go right in.
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- I would go to the China Club
and I'm hanging out with
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Lawrence Taylor, Brooke Shields
or Michael Jordan.
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- He was running around
everywhere,
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"Hey, hey."
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talking to everybody,
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knew everybody, was all hooked
up with everybody.
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- I'm never in the room going,
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"Wow, that's Michael Jordan.
He's the greatest of all time."
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I'm an equal.
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I'm sitting there going,
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"Hey, Michael Jordan is
a Paul Heyman guy.
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Lucky for him, he got
to take a picture with me."
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I really never cared about other
people's opinions.
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I wasn't raised to seek
acceptance or affirmation.
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It wouldn't have bothered me if
my parents were completely
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unaccepting of my choices.
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I don't think my mother was
very crazy about it.
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My father was always
encouraging.
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I was raised to pursue what
mattered to me.
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- The most powerful manager
in this sport,
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and he is really on
a roll right now.
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- So the year is 1992.
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I'm 26 years old.
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And I'm on top of the world.
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- Say what you want to about
Paul E.
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You cannot deny that this man is
maybe the most successful
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manager this sport
has ever seen.
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- WCW instead of reaching
for the future,
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regresses to the past,
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and they bring in Cowboy Bill
Watts to run the company.
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- Yeah, I had idiots, uh-
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There was a guy named Heyman,
Paul Heyman or something.
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He was a great talent.
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Phenomenal talent,
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but he wouldn't fit in with what
I wanted.
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- Now, Paul did not get along
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with everyone he needed
to get along with.
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He rubbed some people
the wrong way.
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- I ended up firing him.
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- I'm gone.
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I'm out.
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I'm so bitter by this
experience.
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I figure I'm done with this
business.
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Time for something else.
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I signed with the William Morris
Agency and the first gig I land,
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is to go head to head with
Howard Stern
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on New York morning radio.
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And just as I'm about to start
promoting that new gig-
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It's like the line from The
Godfather movie,
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"That's when they pulled
me back in."
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ECW.
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- This is ECW.
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- Hello everyone,
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and welcome to Extreme
Championship Wrestling.
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This is Joey Styles and you are
watching the wrestling promotion
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that's changing the
face of the sport today.
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- My best friend asked me to
start running the creative for a
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small promotion called ECW.
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My goal was to start with a
blank piece of paper and imagine
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what it could be,
and watching it come to life.
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We were going to take the entire
business to the extreme.
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- You've got this rogue outfit,
ECW, that's on the periphery,
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There kind of doing
their own thing.
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They were really cutting edge
with things that they were
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doing, and Paul was definitely
the visionary there.
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- When ECW came along and Paul
took on a different role as the
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leader, he was the leader of a
revolution
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for my age group, my people.
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He was at the forefront.
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- There was nobody that the 18
to 34 male demographic could
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look at and say, "Oh yeah,
you know what?
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That's the new thing
that's out there."
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There was nothing out of bounds.
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There was nothing,
nothing off limits.
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We went for it.
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- Well, ECW understood with Paul
Heyman at the helm that you
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could not out WWE, WWE and you
could not out WCW, WCW.
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So they did not even try.
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- Oh my God.
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- They just set about putting
out completely alternative
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product than most anyone
had ever seen.
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- My younger brother and my dad
and I would not miss a show.
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I loved ECW.
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- They were the cool thing.
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00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,041
Who doesn't want to be
the cool thing?
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- I did anything and everything
to create stars for ECW.
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I can see the greatness in
others that
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they can't see in themselves.
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Rhino
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And when you say Rhino,
I want you to take the belt,
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and stick it, you know what I'm
saying?
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'Cause now I want them to
associate the name
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Rhino with the title, so that
to them you're one and the same.
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Real subliminal, okay?
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But it's one and the same.
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I'm Rhino.
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00:20:37,536 --> 00:20:39,238
- Paul is a wrestling genius.
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The man spent countless hours
with us when it came to
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the art of the promo.
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Yo, Hack.
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- More.
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- Sorry about
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- No.
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More, come on.
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Come on, more.
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Come on.
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Yo Hack
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- Yo Hack
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- Yo Hack
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- Every now and then,
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It takes someone else to reach
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deep inside their soul
and their spiritual being,
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and drag that greatness
out of them.
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- There's just something
about Paul E.
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He can take anybody
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and turn them into a walking,
talking promo machine.
422
00:21:09,869 --> 00:21:14,373
Paul has a way of dispensing
advice like nobody else.
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He's like, he's like a horse
whisperer.
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He's the wrestler whisperer.
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00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:23,015
I'm going to be the superstar
that I always knew
426
00:21:23,082 --> 00:21:25,151
that I could be.
427
00:21:25,217 --> 00:21:28,220
- Paul was good
at scouting talent.
428
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,557
Paul's always been good with
using wrestlers
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not noticed abilities.
430
00:21:33,893 --> 00:21:35,528
- This is the man that
taught me respect.
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- No meaning of the word
432
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- It was great though.
433
00:21:39,198 --> 00:21:41,901
- ECW was a beautiful place to
grow
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because you were given such
freedom.
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00:21:45,237 --> 00:21:48,674
I made my bed of nails and now
I've got no other choice,
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00:21:48,741 --> 00:21:49,842
but to be powerbombed on it.
437
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So yeah, I'm a lot more
comfortable here.
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I mean, this has been probably
the best year I've ever had in
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wrestling, and a lot of it has
to do with the lack of
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that corporate pressure.
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00:22:02,588 --> 00:22:07,393
And so Paul helped people
believe in themselves.
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by his belief in them.
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And I think it's a primary
reason why some of my very best
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stuff, may be my best stuff
ever, was done in ECW.
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00:22:19,505 --> 00:22:21,440
- I really don't know what my
parents thought of ECW.
446
00:22:22,875 --> 00:22:24,410
I'm sure my mother hated it.
447
00:22:25,911 --> 00:22:27,446
My mother was going to hate
anything I was doing anyway.
448
00:22:28,948 --> 00:22:30,916
I could be a Supreme Court
justice and my mother would
449
00:22:30,983 --> 00:22:32,184
not have been satisfied.
450
00:22:33,586 --> 00:22:36,622
But my parents were very
supportive of it.
451
00:22:37,389 --> 00:22:40,426
$4 million of the funding of ECW
came from my parents.
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But ECW didn't have the
resources or the wherewithal
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to last six months-
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In the 1990s.
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In the most hypercompetitive
environment
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in the history of this industry.
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00:22:59,345 --> 00:23:01,547
- The Rock scores with the
People's Elbow.
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The Rock is the champion.
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- The Rock.
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00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:14,593
- There were so many financial
problems in ECW where money was
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00:23:14,660 --> 00:23:18,430
owed that it just became
unsustainable for him.
462
00:23:20,666 --> 00:23:22,334
- I went personally bankrupt.
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And we go out of business.
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ECW was seven and a half years
of my life.
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and I loved every minute of it.
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00:23:32,578 --> 00:23:33,912
Even the worst times.
467
00:23:35,681 --> 00:23:38,751
ECW was meant to disrupt
the entire industry.
468
00:23:39,451 --> 00:23:42,788
It was so far ahead of its time,
it wasn't meant to last.
469
00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:46,191
It was just meant to show
everybody else the way.
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We accomplished that goal.
471
00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:56,201
Vince McMahon was very
supportive of my tenure at the
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head of ECW, that I had the
sheer ambition to go out
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and do something on my own
in this business.
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00:24:04,510 --> 00:24:05,811
He could relate to that.
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00:24:07,579 --> 00:24:12,685
And Vince McMahon made me an
offer I just couldn't refuse.
476
00:24:17,423 --> 00:24:19,825
- Paul, give us a little
bit of pad here,
477
00:24:19,892 --> 00:24:22,027
so we get that nice big boo pop
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00:24:22,094 --> 00:24:23,228
- Kirsh what am I saying?
479
00:24:23,295 --> 00:24:27,066
Baseball, boxing, WWE it's all
based on the same premise.
480
00:24:27,066 --> 00:24:28,467
Who are these two opponents?
481
00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:29,835
Why are they fighting?
482
00:24:29,902 --> 00:24:32,271
Why should I pay to see it?
483
00:24:32,338 --> 00:24:36,075
Ladies and gentlemen,
my name is Paul Heyman.
484
00:24:36,075 --> 00:24:38,010
What will people take away
from this?
485
00:24:38,077 --> 00:24:41,513
Say, "Wow, now I get it."
486
00:24:41,580 --> 00:24:42,648
- What do you think?
487
00:24:42,715 --> 00:24:43,749
- What do you think?
488
00:24:43,849 --> 00:24:44,917
- It was great.
489
00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:45,984
- Great I'll take.
490
00:24:45,984 --> 00:24:46,752
- That opens the show.
491
00:24:46,819 --> 00:24:47,619
- Great I'll take.
492
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:48,821
Damn right it does.
493
00:24:48,921 --> 00:24:51,423
This all dates back to my father
being in front of a jury.
494
00:24:51,523 --> 00:24:55,361
What does my father want the
jury to take away from
495
00:24:55,427 --> 00:24:57,196
what he's selling to them?
496
00:24:57,629 --> 00:24:58,797
Same thing that I do.
497
00:25:00,632 --> 00:25:06,004
The next big thing,
Brock Lesnar.
498
00:25:06,071 --> 00:25:08,974
- This massive human
being is scary.
499
00:25:09,041 --> 00:25:12,678
- When I first came to WWE,
I needed somebody to pull me
500
00:25:12,745 --> 00:25:15,280
by the reins and point me
in the right direction.
501
00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:17,716
And that guy was-was
Paul Heyman.
502
00:25:17,783 --> 00:25:18,951
He's the best in the business.
503
00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:22,354
Paul, smarten me up to
a lot of different things
504
00:25:22,421 --> 00:25:23,555
in the wrestling business.
505
00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:27,259
And I have a trust in Paul
and he has a trust in me.
506
00:25:29,028 --> 00:25:31,163
- A couple of weeks into our run
together, Brock and I are on a
507
00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:35,367
plane to the UK for an event and
one of us reveals to the other,
508
00:25:36,435 --> 00:25:39,071
Psst, um.
509
00:25:39,071 --> 00:25:40,906
"Hey, listen, nobody else knows
this, but I'm about
510
00:25:41,006 --> 00:25:42,307
to become a father.
511
00:25:43,075 --> 00:25:45,711
My girlfriend is pregnant
with a baby girl."
512
00:25:46,278 --> 00:25:48,046
And then the other revealed,
513
00:25:49,181 --> 00:25:52,785
"Hey, me too. I'm about to
become a father too.
514
00:25:52,851 --> 00:25:55,287
My girlfriend is also pregnant
with a baby girl
515
00:25:55,354 --> 00:25:56,789
and I'm keeping it secret."
516
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:58,323
[chuckles]
517
00:25:58,390 --> 00:26:03,862
We-we both realized just how
our approach to things was,
518
00:26:03,962 --> 00:26:07,032
so in line with two people that
were so different
519
00:26:07,099 --> 00:26:08,901
from each other.
520
00:26:08,967 --> 00:26:10,402
And we bonded over it.
521
00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:15,374
- I became a father because
of 9/11.
522
00:26:17,076 --> 00:26:18,210
- We have a breaking
news story
523
00:26:18,277 --> 00:26:19,078
to tell you
about.
524
00:26:19,144 --> 00:26:20,512
Apparently
a plane
525
00:26:20,512 --> 00:26:22,514
has just crashed into
the World Trade
526
00:26:22,514 --> 00:26:24,082
Center here in New York City.
527
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:26,351
It happened just
a few moments ago.
528
00:26:26,919 --> 00:26:29,288
- It was really the first time
I got in touch
529
00:26:29,354 --> 00:26:30,422
with my own mortality.
530
00:26:31,423 --> 00:26:33,158
It happened on my 36th birthday,
531
00:26:34,026 --> 00:26:35,994
and I realized that my parents
532
00:26:36,061 --> 00:26:39,665
were getting older, and I wanted
my parents to know my children
533
00:26:39,731 --> 00:26:41,300
and my children
to know my parents.
534
00:26:43,502 --> 00:26:46,438
Becoming a father was
the great game changer.
535
00:26:47,339 --> 00:26:50,175
I remember when my daughter was
a tiny little baby,
536
00:26:50,242 --> 00:26:53,278
and I-I got to a red light
537
00:26:53,979 --> 00:26:55,214
and someone ran that red light,
538
00:26:56,548 --> 00:26:59,184
and one's initial reaction is
always going to be
539
00:26:59,184 --> 00:27:03,355
"Whoa, that guy could have
killed me."
540
00:27:04,223 --> 00:27:07,593
- And my reaction was,
541
00:27:07,659 --> 00:27:11,897
"Whoa, that-that guy could have
taken me away from my daughter.
542
00:27:11,997 --> 00:27:14,299
What would have happened
to her in her life?"
543
00:27:15,067 --> 00:27:17,035
And I realized it's not about
me anymore.
544
00:27:18,003 --> 00:27:19,872
It's about my children.
545
00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:26,311
My mother was never proud of me
until she saw me as a father.
546
00:27:27,579 --> 00:27:29,548
In the eyes of a Holocaust
survivor,
547
00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:33,418
my life was about one thing.
548
00:27:34,052 --> 00:27:35,988
I was a conduit to the next
generation.
549
00:27:39,024 --> 00:27:43,629
My responsibility to those who
perished in the Holocaust
550
00:27:43,629 --> 00:27:47,866
was to tell their story to my
children and to make sure
551
00:27:47,933 --> 00:27:51,737
that my children tell that story
to the next generation.
552
00:27:52,204 --> 00:27:54,840
That's my sacred purpose.
553
00:27:59,511 --> 00:28:00,412
- Are you recording?
554
00:28:00,479 --> 00:28:01,246
- Wow.
555
00:28:01,313 --> 00:28:02,047
- Book, you say something?
556
00:28:02,114 --> 00:28:03,282
- No.
557
00:28:03,382 --> 00:28:05,751
- Also about that time, I became
the lead writer of SmackDown.
558
00:28:06,385 --> 00:28:07,386
- It's not just any
old ass kicking.
559
00:28:07,386 --> 00:28:09,021
It's a Stone Cold Steve
Austin ass kicking.
560
00:28:09,121 --> 00:28:10,155
It's not like anybody
else's asskicking.
561
00:28:12,057 --> 00:28:13,058
- Gotcha.
562
00:28:13,158 --> 00:28:14,459
- It happened at a time where
there was so much
563
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,161
concentration on Raw.
564
00:28:16,228 --> 00:28:18,196
I kind of got to do my own thing
for a while,
565
00:28:18,664 --> 00:28:20,232
and we were cookin'.
566
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:22,968
Good evening, ladies and
gentlemen, and welcome to the
567
00:28:23,035 --> 00:28:26,838
crown jewel of World Wrestling
Entertainment.
568
00:28:26,905 --> 00:28:28,707
Paul Heyman's SmackDown.
569
00:28:28,807 --> 00:28:29,775
- Look at Mysterio.
570
00:28:29,841 --> 00:28:31,009
Oh my God.
571
00:28:31,076 --> 00:28:33,111
- We start beating
Monday Night Raw
572
00:28:33,111 --> 00:28:35,514
on every conceivable
573
00:28:35,581 --> 00:28:36,915
analytic that one could chart.
574
00:28:36,915 --> 00:28:37,683
- Oh my God,
575
00:28:37,749 --> 00:28:40,185
- Look at this from the top
rope.
576
00:28:40,185 --> 00:28:43,789
- Paul Heyman was very
good for the SmackDown brand.
577
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:46,224
And, you know, I have a lot of
respect for Paul because he
578
00:28:46,291 --> 00:28:47,826
knows a lot about the business.
579
00:28:47,826 --> 00:28:50,228
And for the most part, he's
usually right when
580
00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:51,430
he makes a call.
581
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:54,299
So we all respected him, and we
did what he told us to do.
582
00:28:55,701 --> 00:28:58,337
- Paul was hell bent on making
sure that SmackDown
583
00:28:58,403 --> 00:29:00,205
was going to the best damn show
584
00:29:00,272 --> 00:29:01,373
in all of Sports Entertainment.
585
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,276
- Action you'll ony see here on
SmackDown.
586
00:29:04,276 --> 00:29:06,912
- So each and every Wednesday
night, Paul Heyman would put us
587
00:29:06,979 --> 00:29:11,350
into a studio and we would
recall SmackDown
588
00:29:12,451 --> 00:29:17,923
every single week until 5 or
6:00 in the morning.
589
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:21,126
And I wanted, you know, to kill
him at the time.
590
00:29:21,193 --> 00:29:22,461
I want to go home, right?
591
00:29:22,561 --> 00:29:24,129
I don't want to be here with you
all night long.
592
00:29:24,196 --> 00:29:26,264
And Paul's like, "Too bad
I'm the head of the show.
593
00:29:26,264 --> 00:29:28,033
We're going to do this
the way I want to do it."
594
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:30,235
And I didn't realize what he was
doing, which was turning me
595
00:29:30,235 --> 00:29:32,170
into a grade A announcer.
596
00:29:32,237 --> 00:29:34,439
It isn't often that you use the
word pretty when describing
597
00:29:34,506 --> 00:29:36,608
a wrestling match,
but that is a pretty maneuver
598
00:29:36,675 --> 00:29:37,643
by Eddie Guerrero.
599
00:29:38,777 --> 00:29:40,112
- When Paul has an idea
that he feels strongly about,
600
00:29:40,112 --> 00:29:41,246
he's committed to it.
601
00:29:41,313 --> 00:29:43,548
He's going to stand his ground
for as long as he can,
602
00:29:43,649 --> 00:29:47,586
where a lot of times
people will, just like
603
00:29:47,586 --> 00:29:50,122
"Screw it, man, whatever.
Let's just do it."
604
00:29:50,188 --> 00:29:53,058
But obviously, you know, the
decision ultimately goes
605
00:29:53,158 --> 00:29:54,926
to the Big Man.
606
00:29:56,361 --> 00:30:00,265
- I was no longer the final say,
the end all be all, the boss.
607
00:30:01,033 --> 00:30:05,470
And now I'm working for someone
and have to do things the way
608
00:30:05,470 --> 00:30:07,172
they want it done.
609
00:30:08,206 --> 00:30:09,508
I was immature.
610
00:30:10,609 --> 00:30:12,077
I was a schmuck.
611
00:30:13,278 --> 00:30:19,184
But then again, a disruptor
by nature can't be mature or
612
00:30:19,251 --> 00:30:20,919
complacent in their role.
613
00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:22,888
[grunt]
614
00:30:22,954 --> 00:30:26,258
- So by the end of 2006, Vince
McMahon and I were just butting
615
00:30:26,358 --> 00:30:30,962
heads and our relationship
becomes toxic.
616
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:33,632
And one of us has to go.
617
00:30:34,466 --> 00:30:36,768
And it ain't going to be the
majority shareholder
618
00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:38,236
and the chairman of the board.
619
00:30:40,872 --> 00:30:41,873
It's going to be me.
620
00:30:56,321 --> 00:30:57,155
- How are you, darling?
621
00:30:57,222 --> 00:30:58,423
How's the family?
622
00:30:58,523 --> 00:31:00,058
- All-all good.
623
00:31:00,158 --> 00:31:01,026
- Come on we're ready for you.
624
00:31:01,093 --> 00:31:03,261
- Yes, ma'am, thank you.
625
00:31:03,362 --> 00:31:04,329
Thank you sir.
626
00:31:04,396 --> 00:31:05,430
- You know the way.
627
00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:09,634
So I was out and I was starting
to pursue other dreams,
628
00:31:09,634 --> 00:31:11,970
and never thought I was
coming back.
629
00:31:12,037 --> 00:31:13,038
How are you?
630
00:31:13,105 --> 00:31:14,406
Thank you very much.
631
00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:17,843
Did a lot of things that I
never had the time to do.
632
00:31:18,410 --> 00:31:21,613
Started my own advertising,
marketing and branding agency.
633
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:23,215
Hola.
634
00:31:23,281 --> 00:31:24,282
How are ya?
635
00:31:24,349 --> 00:31:25,350
- How are you?
636
00:31:26,752 --> 00:31:29,388
- When we met as an
advertising and branding person,
637
00:31:29,454 --> 00:31:33,358
he went from the guy on camera
to the guy behind building
638
00:31:33,425 --> 00:31:35,994
brands or helping brands to
discover who they are.
639
00:31:36,495 --> 00:31:37,596
We're writing a movie.
640
00:31:38,163 --> 00:31:39,531
The agency has blown up.
641
00:31:40,132 --> 00:31:41,433
We have projects in England.
642
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:43,735
We have projects in Vegas,
L.A, New York.
643
00:31:44,369 --> 00:31:45,771
- We're in the middle of all
these projects,
644
00:31:45,837 --> 00:31:48,440
but Brock and I never stopped
working together.
645
00:31:48,507 --> 00:31:52,577
When Brock went to UFC, I was
doing all of his social media,
646
00:31:52,644 --> 00:31:53,879
all of his digital work.
647
00:31:54,513 --> 00:31:56,481
I co-wrote Brock's autobiography
with him.
648
00:31:58,817 --> 00:32:02,320
In fact, the only time Brock and
I stopped working together was
649
00:32:02,387 --> 00:32:03,755
when he went back to WWE,
650
00:32:04,790 --> 00:32:06,558
and I had no interest
in going back.
651
00:32:07,426 --> 00:32:10,395
When Brock Lesnar was out there
without me, he felt naked.
652
00:32:11,163 --> 00:32:12,998
He felt something missing,
653
00:32:13,064 --> 00:32:15,033
as much as the audience felt
something missing.
654
00:32:17,636 --> 00:32:18,837
No.
655
00:32:18,837 --> 00:32:19,538
No, think about it.
656
00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:20,472
I didn't miss anything.
657
00:32:20,572 --> 00:32:23,241
The only thing in life I miss is
my parents.
658
00:32:23,308 --> 00:32:24,609
I don't miss anything in life.
659
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:27,145
My mother died in 2009.
660
00:32:30,882 --> 00:32:32,250
I don't know how it affected me.
661
00:32:33,018 --> 00:32:34,619
Because I was too busy
managing it.
662
00:32:35,387 --> 00:32:39,291
I was too busy worried about how
that would affect my father,
663
00:32:39,357 --> 00:32:41,226
and how it would
affect my children.
664
00:32:41,293 --> 00:32:43,595
And that wiring inside of me,
665
00:32:45,063 --> 00:32:46,198
comes from her.
666
00:32:46,731 --> 00:32:51,837
Because if one can change the
past, imagine what she would
667
00:32:51,903 --> 00:32:53,438
change about her life.
668
00:32:54,072 --> 00:32:55,440
So I don't think about it.
669
00:32:57,142 --> 00:33:00,345
I move forward because from the
time I was seven years old,
670
00:33:00,445 --> 00:33:02,681
she had me ready to move
forward without her.
671
00:33:05,417 --> 00:33:06,785
- Oh, no.
672
00:33:06,852 --> 00:33:08,220
- What?
673
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,421
- Oh my god.
674
00:33:09,521 --> 00:33:12,791
Brock Lesnar has indeed sent
his legal representation.
675
00:33:12,858 --> 00:33:14,626
That is Paul Heyman,
ladies and gentlemen.
676
00:33:16,428 --> 00:33:18,129
- The package was not complete.
677
00:33:19,364 --> 00:33:22,067
And Vince McMahon said to Brock,
678
00:33:22,133 --> 00:33:23,869
"Wasn't exactly what I was
envisioning."
679
00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:27,272
And Brock looked Vince dead
in the eyes and said,
680
00:33:27,706 --> 00:33:30,208
"Then make Paul Heyman an offer
that he can't refuse."
681
00:33:31,943 --> 00:33:33,178
And so they did.
682
00:33:35,514 --> 00:33:37,315
It's just that simple.
683
00:33:38,783 --> 00:33:41,219
Five years after being
taken off the air.
684
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:43,221
I came back to WWE.
685
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:52,430
And I am here this evening as
the advocate for Brock Lesnar.
686
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,168
When I came back to WWE,
687
00:33:58,670 --> 00:34:00,238
I wanted to be the advocate.
688
00:34:00,939 --> 00:34:05,677
The fondest moments I have from
my childhood is when I got to
689
00:34:05,744 --> 00:34:09,281
skip school and go to court
with my father.
690
00:34:10,482 --> 00:34:16,021
My father put on a show, and
when the judge would admonish
691
00:34:16,121 --> 00:34:20,358
my father, my father would say,
"Oh oh, your Honor, your honor.
692
00:34:21,493 --> 00:34:23,194
I'm just an advocate."
693
00:34:25,764 --> 00:34:28,266
My father died
in 2013.
694
00:34:30,468 --> 00:34:34,773
And that's whose
shoes I wanted to fill.
695
00:34:34,839 --> 00:34:39,411
And that's the persona I wanted
to portray to the world.
696
00:34:42,347 --> 00:34:44,849
I had to go back completely
different, reinvent myself,
697
00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:49,688
and absolutely top everything
that I had done to such a degree
698
00:34:49,754 --> 00:34:52,924
that everything I did before
2012 would pale by comparison.
699
00:34:54,793 --> 00:34:59,230
- The Undertaker takes on The
Beast Incarnate Brock Lesnar.
700
00:34:59,297 --> 00:35:01,833
This match is simply
about one thing.
701
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,870
The 21-0 undefeated streak of
The Undertaker.
702
00:35:07,072 --> 00:35:10,475
- There's no greater victory
that could have been offered.
703
00:35:10,542 --> 00:35:15,747
There's no championship, no
accomplishment as big in
704
00:35:15,847 --> 00:35:18,750
Sports Entertainment as
The Undertaker's undefeated
705
00:35:18,883 --> 00:35:19,985
streak at WrestleMania.
706
00:35:20,752 --> 00:35:22,754
- The streak took on
a life of its own.
707
00:35:22,821 --> 00:35:25,190
I was so glad I had a chance to
watch it.
708
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:28,660
It's our Joe DiMaggio 56 game
hitting streak.
709
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,863
- If Brock Lesnar ends the
streak, that would cement
710
00:35:31,963 --> 00:35:35,867
Paul Heyman's legacy as the
greatest strategist,
711
00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:38,803
the best manager ever.
712
00:35:39,237 --> 00:35:40,672
- You earned it.
713
00:35:40,672 --> 00:35:42,073
You earned everything
in your life.
714
00:35:42,073 --> 00:35:44,809
This history is yours
to conquer.
715
00:35:45,343 --> 00:35:47,078
Now, conquer it.
716
00:35:48,313 --> 00:35:49,280
Take it.
717
00:35:50,648 --> 00:35:52,250
- Oh.
718
00:36:01,493 --> 00:36:03,995
[bell ringing]
719
00:36:05,563 --> 00:36:08,199
- Oh my God.
Oh my God.
720
00:36:08,266 --> 00:36:10,001
Oh my God.
721
00:36:10,068 --> 00:36:12,003
You did it.
You did it.
722
00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:17,842
I was the one behind the one
in 21-1.
723
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:22,914
- If you're the manager of the
guy that did what
724
00:36:22,914 --> 00:36:24,516
no one else could do.
725
00:36:24,516 --> 00:36:27,552
I mean, you got to get some
credit somewhere, right?
726
00:36:27,619 --> 00:36:29,387
I'm a manager of the guy
that broke the streak.
727
00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:33,925
It's a pretty big feather
in a hat.
728
00:36:35,026 --> 00:36:37,395
- But I can't call it the
greatest accomplishment
729
00:36:37,462 --> 00:36:39,397
because then I've peaked.
730
00:36:40,265 --> 00:36:43,802
If you achieve a dream,
go after the next dream.
731
00:36:49,007 --> 00:36:54,245
Hey, as of right now, I think
Roman is landing at 1:00.
732
00:36:54,312 --> 00:36:55,213
- Okay.
733
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,615
- Which makes a 1:15 call
a little early.
734
00:36:57,682 --> 00:37:00,885
I'm wondering if we switch
Roman and Brock.
735
00:37:00,952 --> 00:37:02,554
- I will swap it around.
736
00:37:05,590 --> 00:37:08,827
- In April 2020, Brock's
contract came up.
737
00:37:09,627 --> 00:37:10,662
So Brock went home.
738
00:37:11,429 --> 00:37:13,732
And I thought my performing
career was over.
739
00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:18,002
- Without Paul Heyman, this
business wouldn't be what it is.
740
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:21,172
Paul behind the scenes wears
a lot of hats for this company.
741
00:37:22,073 --> 00:37:24,175
- There's just a lot of
different ways to jockey and
742
00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:27,912
position yourself that would
probably dive into the political
743
00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:30,115
side of what we do in the
backstage.
744
00:37:31,149 --> 00:37:34,586
Watching how Paul and Brock were
maneuvering at the time,
745
00:37:34,586 --> 00:37:36,187
it was a powerful duo,
746
00:37:36,187 --> 00:37:38,623
it really was so much
so that I had to snatch it.
747
00:37:40,191 --> 00:37:43,194
- Well, there is no doubt that
this is a frightening alliance
748
00:37:43,261 --> 00:37:47,198
that has been formed with Roman
Reigns and his special counsel,
749
00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:48,666
Paul Heyman.
750
00:37:48,733 --> 00:37:53,605
- Brock wasn't here, and I can't
imagine anyone else that would
751
00:37:53,671 --> 00:37:59,778
compel me to go to work every
day with that passion,
752
00:37:59,844 --> 00:38:01,746
other than Roman Reigns.
753
00:38:01,846 --> 00:38:04,449
I'm not just on camera with
Roman Reigns.
754
00:38:05,116 --> 00:38:08,786
I work very closely behind the
scenes with Roman Reigns.
755
00:38:09,788 --> 00:38:12,790
- He's just such a great mind
for the business creatively.
756
00:38:13,057 --> 00:38:15,393
- You're a righteous man in
shark infested water.
757
00:38:16,294 --> 00:38:19,164
If you don't ruthlessly,
viciously, violently
758
00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:21,366
stab the sharks, they're going
to eat you.
759
00:38:22,267 --> 00:38:25,436
- When Paul is someone's
manager,
760
00:38:25,436 --> 00:38:28,773
it doesn't stop when TV is
over.
761
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,008
- Text Roman Reigns.
762
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:34,112
You, comma, sir, comma,
763
00:38:34,212 --> 00:38:38,216
are all set with parking
dot dot dot, I just sent you-
764
00:38:38,283 --> 00:38:39,951
- He takes all these little
stressors away,
765
00:38:39,951 --> 00:38:40,985
being on the road is tough,
766
00:38:41,085 --> 00:38:44,222
I can lock in and focus on what
I need to focus on,
767
00:38:44,322 --> 00:38:45,757
and he just makes it easier.
768
00:38:55,733 --> 00:38:58,436
- The connection with Roman and
Paul, tight.
769
00:38:58,970 --> 00:39:00,972
He elevated the hell out
of me too.
770
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:02,006
He trying to help everybody.
771
00:39:03,107 --> 00:39:04,809
I see him chopping it up with a
lot of other talent.
772
00:39:04,876 --> 00:39:06,110
And if I don't see you
talking to Paul,
773
00:39:06,211 --> 00:39:07,178
then you missing out.
774
00:39:11,950 --> 00:39:14,586
- Paul Heyman has one of the
greatest minds I've ever talked
775
00:39:14,652 --> 00:39:16,788
to about the business of Sports
Entertainment.
776
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:20,792
You put him with anybody,
anybody, and he's going to make
777
00:39:20,792 --> 00:39:22,327
'em better than they
are by themselves.
778
00:39:25,496 --> 00:39:28,866
- This man right here,
the great Paul Heyman.
779
00:39:28,933 --> 00:39:30,602
I mean, there's very few people
780
00:39:30,902 --> 00:39:31,803
that have a career
that I look at
781
00:39:31,870 --> 00:39:32,737
and I go
like this,
782
00:39:32,804 --> 00:39:33,838
"I wish
I had that."
783
00:39:33,838 --> 00:39:35,707
How do you
view yourself?
784
00:39:35,807 --> 00:39:36,641
- I'm the
greatest
785
00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:37,675
of all time.
786
00:39:38,943 --> 00:39:40,044
- Please join me,
787
00:39:40,111 --> 00:39:42,113
and acknowledge
the newest member
788
00:39:42,113 --> 00:39:45,950
of the WWE Hall of Fame,
Paul Heyman.
789
00:39:50,588 --> 00:39:54,492
- You damn [bleep] right
I deserve it.
790
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:59,631
[crowd cheers]
791
00:39:59,631 --> 00:40:03,234
- I hope you can understand what
this means, and then-
792
00:40:04,636 --> 00:40:06,004
-now I'm getting emotional.
793
00:40:11,075 --> 00:40:14,679
What you brought to the table
for this business,
794
00:40:14,746 --> 00:40:16,214
what you've done
for the talent,
795
00:40:16,281 --> 00:40:18,049
what you still do
for the talent,
796
00:40:18,116 --> 00:40:20,351
what you've done
to change this business,
797
00:40:20,351 --> 00:40:21,719
we wouldn't be where
we are without you.
798
00:40:21,786 --> 00:40:22,387
- Thank you.
799
00:40:22,387 --> 00:40:23,388
- I [bleep] mean that.
800
00:40:23,388 --> 00:40:24,489
- I know you do.
801
00:40:25,390 --> 00:40:27,792
- People think of, man,
here's this wrestling guy,
802
00:40:27,859 --> 00:40:29,560
best mouthpiece in the game.
803
00:40:29,627 --> 00:40:32,630
But I think if you really want
to tap into Paul's legacy,
804
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:34,899
you have to meet Azalea
and Jacob.
805
00:40:38,036 --> 00:40:40,438
One of the most impressive
things about Paul is his
806
00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:42,840
relationship with his children,
and I think that's
807
00:40:42,907 --> 00:40:44,442
his true legacy.
808
00:40:46,678 --> 00:40:51,115
- I don't really worry about my
my legacy anymore.
809
00:40:51,549 --> 00:40:56,020
I wasn't raised to seek
acceptance or affirmation.
810
00:40:57,555 --> 00:41:00,491
I was raised to pursue what
mattered to me.
811
00:41:02,226 --> 00:41:04,162
That's how I raised my kids.
812
00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:10,968
And if my children can find
whatever it is in life that
813
00:41:11,035 --> 00:41:18,209
elicits the passion and the
exhilaration and the lust for
814
00:41:18,276 --> 00:41:21,679
life that I have found in mine-
815
00:41:22,113 --> 00:41:23,081
Showtime.
816
00:41:24,716 --> 00:41:29,587
-then I've done them a service
above and beyond what most other
817
00:41:29,587 --> 00:41:31,889
parents can instill in their
children.
818
00:41:32,857 --> 00:41:40,198
Ladies and gentlemen,
my name is Paul Heyman.
819
00:41:41,165 --> 00:41:44,035
[crowd cheers]
820
00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:48,172
I don't have any regrets
in life.
821
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,442
Everything I've lived through
gets me to this point.
822
00:41:52,744 --> 00:41:56,414
I've learned the lessons of not
only my failures,
823
00:41:56,481 --> 00:41:59,450
but of the enormity of my past
824
00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:00,752
schmuckery.
825
00:42:05,423 --> 00:42:06,557
I'm not done disrupting.
826
00:42:08,259 --> 00:42:09,827
- Right now I'm looking to get
a word with
827
00:42:09,894 --> 00:42:10,862
Paul Heyman tonight.
828
00:42:10,962 --> 00:42:12,730
- Watch, watch, go back, go
back, go back.
829
00:42:12,797 --> 00:42:14,132
I'm not done creating.
830
00:42:15,299 --> 00:42:16,334
I'm not done dreaming.
831
00:42:17,402 --> 00:42:19,637
I'd like to think that at 58,
I'm just starting
832
00:42:19,637 --> 00:42:21,272
to figure this [bleep] out.
833
00:42:23,508 --> 00:42:26,044
And that I'm going to be better
at it tomorrow than I am today.
834
00:42:26,744 --> 00:42:28,813
This is what we call,
835
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,084
"Do or die on the island
of relevancy."
836
00:42:33,951 --> 00:42:35,086
And the beauty of it all
837
00:42:36,754 --> 00:42:38,756
is, hopefully, if you're along
for the ride with me,
838
00:42:40,425 --> 00:42:43,327
you'll get to see it unfold in
front of our very eyes.
839
00:42:46,397 --> 00:42:48,433
I'm an extraordinarily
blessed man.
840
00:42:48,483 --> 00:42:53,033
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