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Kyle, the reason I wanted to chat to you, and thank you for meeting me, in

Hampstead Heath, one of the most famous cruising grounds.

Probably because of George Michael.

This is a historical relic. Yeah.

Pre -internet, this is how gay men used to meet.

And then we would just start playing to each other.

And you wouldn't walk around with a torch, it'd freak people out. That is

etiquette. So this is where somebody would bring a sling.

Well, that guy chatted to us, he was lovely.

Yeah. He'd be like, oh, do you want to go, like, one -on -one in the cubicle?

turn the corner and you would just find somebody like nude just ass over

you

specialize in cruising content right so your sort of shtick is that

your videos are you having sex outside yeah but what is it about cruising in

your personal life that you really enjoy and find erotic

Um, just the freedom of it. I do like the kind of, like, naturist, kind of

exhibitionist exposure of it. So this is the infamous George Michael...

Cruising toilet.

Cruising toilet.

Yeah. And you said that you've worked here before or filmed something here.

Yeah, I came here with another contact probably, like, a couple of years ago.

This would have been a really popular place to go cruising in the 80s, the

toilet. Yeah.

Right. And then that kind of migrated over towards... that side public loo and

any form of nature are two incredibly popular spots yeah to go cruising yeah

which one would you say that you prefer which one turns you on you feel better

in oh definitely more outdoors right toilets yeah i think toilets are kind of

like a winter thing in my mind okay because they're indoors but some people

like that they're more kind of like

rough and dirty, the better. There it is. Oh, that's it?

Yeah, that's it. It's like a mythical house from Roald Dahl. It kind of makes

think of the house from Hocus Pocus.

Can we go and have a look? Yeah, if it's open.

It's actually very charming.

Yeah, gays ruin everything, don't they?

Yeah, it's definitely still not changed since the... since the 80s.

This is a historical relic. Yeah.

George Michael was in here.

It's gorgeous.

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back to cruising now. And you've hooked up in here before?

Yeah.

Yeah, I've shot like here.

And you feel completely comfortable?

Yeah. Just getting on with the guy here?

Without fear of someone's going to walk in. I think I have like a second person

who takes over the wheel.

There's like the build -up of like, oh, I need to take everything off.

I'm really nervous.

And then as soon as everything's off, I have a really unusual level of

confidence that everything's going to be fine.

Right.

And it usually is. Touch wood, I've never had a problem, never had a panic,

never had any problems.

So I am quite confident, even if I'm like in the zone, I'm like, this is

to be fine.

So let's imagine that I want to go cruising tonight.

Okay. And I, you're not here, Ru's not here with the camera. I come here and I

just, bam. I mean, here I wouldn't know because it's not the vibe here, I think,

anymore.

There's a lot of public loos in London which you could go to, except one of

them's just gone to the grave, sadly.

The one near Liberty.

When you say the grave, you mean... It's being refurbished, which just means

they're going to put in everything they can to make sure that people can't go in

there and cruise anymore, because it is notoriously bad for cruisers. They're

going to play straight music.

So in the era where this was a very popular space to come, let's imagine, I

to come cruising, I'm going to go to that toilet.

So I would just stand there. Imagine I'm the only one. I'd just stand there and

wait for another gentleman to walk in. I think your final etiquette is always

you're pretending to have a pee.

Okay. And then, you know, you just give each other the kind of look that you're

interested in.

You're looking over.

And then that's kind of the invitation.

You would just... And then we would just start playing to each other.

And what happens if I'm not into you? Would I go... You would know straight

away. Because if I'm giving you the eye... Yeah.

Like, I've had it before where somebody's kind of given me the eye and

you just look away the stall would anything i think that's more like if you

private like if we were hooking up here yeah maybe one of us wasn't comfortable

with like the group or maybe there was somebody trying to get involved we'd be

like oh do you want to go like one -on -one in the cubicle okay clean this here

oh the clean this shit okay we're not the cleaner the um

Yeah, the entrance to the dark room is just down here. And it's called the dark

room because... I think it's called the dark room because it's at the beginning,

and when it gets really, really dark, it's where people stay.

What have you thought?

It is cute.

Just going to go back to the toilet.

Does it work like that?

No, not with a runner.

Free internet. This is how gay men used to meet.

Yeah, they would have to come out and they would have to...

Well, I guess because it was illegal back then, you'd have to be careful, but

you'd have to, like how they did in the toilets where George Michael got

arrested, you'd have to come out, you'd have to kind of psychically connect with

another guy and think, like, are you gay? I'm gay. Shall we, you know, shall

hook up?

I mean, you've said this, that you don't see many people under 25 doing this.

No, I don't think so. I think the younger generation, like the under 25,

-year -olds, I don't think they go out as much anymore.

Like, I don't, when I go cruising, I don't really see, like, the younger

guys. Especially outside, like Hanson Heath. I can't really think of any

guys. They'd be like my own age or older.

Feedback that since I started looking into cruising, I've had some messages

gay men saying that it should be something which should remain in the

because homosexuality now is legal in the US and the UK, if we're looking at

those places.

Therefore, you no longer need to fuck in public spaces.

away from your wives, away from the police, so therefore take it inside.

Cruising is something which gay people should leave in the past.

Do you think that there's any reason to think that or any truth in that?

I mean, I think when it comes to the reasons why, it's probably just because

public indecency and exposure obviously isn't good, but it's just

about...

being smart about it because you do get some people cruising and they aren't

really good etiquette about it and they just kind of take the piss where they

are like trying to get caught some people have a thrill about trying to get

caught which isn't like my vibe at all as long as like i'm always fully aware

like nobody's around nobody no regular people hello potentially a lot of

straight people who are resistant against it would argue if they were all

fucking outdoors

This could be bedlam of people just fucking everywhere.

Yeah. What sort of a world would that be in? Sure, yeah.

Is it part of gay culture that we should be sort of protecting and saying, no,

this is our roots in sexual liberation is cruising? Yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

It's still a way for some people to socialize. Because I've met, you know,

friends doing it. You know, some people have their relationships founded on it.

You know, some people...

meet their partners here and they do it together as like a social thing because

it's not like i don't think it's just a thing that people do to get their rocks

off it's something that they do for fun and to socialize and for me personally

to like enjoy my healthy body and yeah so it's not because i want some random

mum walking her dog to catch me i'm not getting off because of that and

As well in the interview, Dan said that not everyone has the luxury of taking it

inside. There are people due to religious reasons or they're migrants or

from extremely homophobic backgrounds.

You know, there's so many groups of people that might feel that meeting

men in a safer, more open environment like this. It's safer for them.

Yeah, it's safer for them.

Yeah, that's true. Because their home or their...

uh spaces that they inhabit day to day yeah people that haven't come out the

closet yet and yeah they have their first sex experiences out here and if

take that away from them they're going to be locked in the closet for a lot

longer than they should be i'm getting bitten a lot yeah i can feel my legs i'm

not in a good way so we need to continue on so this is the dark dark room

section this is the dark room yeah so this is when it gets really really dark

but this is where you'll get like a collection of guys

in here in fact i'm really surprised there's not anyone here now to be honest

still not hugely private though is it no that's why this is like the dark darker

later there's probably cruisers back in the forest that will come up here later

on and do you think there's any sort of cruising paraphernalia there will be

somewhere if you look if you look hard enough you will see this is a cute

spot but they um yeah you normally get people sat here like smoking

kind of taking a break in between this is the breakout area yeah you'll get a

couple of guys sat here um have a fag and then they watch the guys go up and

down and then they've like oh you look all right and then they follow him in

woods i'm disappointed though isn't that sort of catwalk of men today i'll cover

you a bit i've been you've done stuff in here a lot oh god yeah a lot okay so

it's everyone who's cruising yeah you reckon yeah yeah definitely everyone

where's the factory smells nice yes weed And you wouldn't walk around with a

torch. It'd freak people out. That's bad etiquette. That's bad etiquette.

Getting a torch out, smack down. Okay.

That's like in a dark room, somebody gets their phone out, like, no, no, no,

no. Yeah.

Kicking the balls, don't do that.

Okay. If you see someone with their phone out and the torch, they've never

cruising before.

It will get busy, and now it's getting, like, dimmer. They're obviously

interested in what we're doing, but it's... They think we're shooting a

It feels a lot calmer than I was expecting.

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It feels a lot calmer than I was expecting.

Oh, it's very chill, yeah.

Like, it's not like cruising in a club where it's just loud, constant music.

It's very chill, it's very quiet.

It's kind of unspoken interactions, because there's not a lot of talking.

I'm making a mini -doc about cruising.

Now, you'll see on YouTube, well, that guy chatted to us. He was lovely.

That's one thing I like about cruising, is you, like... Because I'm into, like I

said earlier, any types of guys, like, you do get, like, a nice... The...

cruising isn't specific to anyone like if i last time i came cruising here i

a nice guy who was a policeman and i was like even the police are cruising and

do you feel safe when you do this yeah i've never i think i've just got like

i've been in london for so long god all these trees are falling down i've been

in london for so long that i don't worry about

Like, I could be hit by a bus tomorrow. Like, I'm not worried somebody's going

to attack me or mug me or... Well, especially if it's... If it's so out in

open, yeah.

Like, they get fed up and then they walk to another section and then the people

follow them and continue watching and then they get fed up and then they move

another section.

Yeah. And then they just give up at the end.

Nobody here?

Oh, there's no one here.

No. There she is.

I was hoping there might be some sort of plaque.

A plaque.

Or maybe some, you know...

tom and jack forever so i think you said don't do this well it's fine it's

rained but i imagine yeah you would probably like turn the corner and you

just find somebody like nude just ass over it's nice being outdoors yeah it's

nice being outdoors and away from

distraction and technology and noisy club this is how it used to be like

would just like have sex outside and live in a cave and be outside and be

free i suppose because even like another thing on the side is there's these

groups called naked mates who run in um i think they just run in london but they

do like naked hikes through the woods where they they do a little rest stop

halfway through the hike and people just have their fun and they carry on with

the hike Like, that's not specifically cruising, but that is more kind of,

outdoorsy and exhibition -y and kind of freedom.

Have you had any bad experiences cruising?

Bad. You do get people that, like, try their luck, and I've had to, like, raise

my voice and, you know, directly say, like, no, like, you need to fucking stop

because, like, I've said no about five times and you're still trying your luck.

Because I think that they probably think the more they try their luck, the more

you're just going to give in and say yes.

But I've never been that kind of person. So that's like bad, but I think I've

been quite lucky never to have like Because I'm always the kind of person

never let myself get into any situations that I don't want to be in I'm very

much like I don't want to be here. I'm gonna leave the situation Yeah So

hooks that people have put into the tree here here. Oh, wow. Wow. So this is

where somebody would bring a sling

I wonder how long these hooks have been here.

They've been here as long as I can remember since at least like 2021 or

I guess somebody like brings their own because slings are like interchangeable

they're just chains and leather.

Are you into um anime porn?

Oh no I don't see like Pokemon dicks or Marge Simpson's tits.

I'm out of breath. Yeah. Why am I out of breath?

It was a slight incline there. Also I feel like there was something um Quite

exhilarating about that.

Especially because you're dressed like a cruiser because you're all in black.

Oh, I look like a cruiser today.

I think there's like an outfit choice when you come cruising as well. It has

be like, especially in the evening, it has to be dark and easily removable.

It's always like gym shorts, black t -shirt.

So you're perfect cruising. Yeah. Well, so are you apparently.

But I'm guessing a belt is like... No, belt's no.

Belt's no. Okay.

I couldn't help but think that there was a lot of guys looking a bit lost.

I think that's from the confidence thing because some people probably...

I feel a bit sad when you see people that they probably feel the confidence

try their luck with someone maybe once.

The whole time they're here, they probably get rejected and they just give

Maybe they just don't have the drive to properly cruise.

Because I've been here before for hours.

And I've seen the same people just walk around. They don't really get involved.

They just don't try their luck anymore.

But I don't really get why they come as well.

What do you think people get out of this?

They like to watch, I think.

I think there's more voyeurism, yeah. I think they like to watch.

Because when we were filming, people liked to come over. They want to see

going on. Is there the potential that I'm going to see people having sex or

maybe someone's going to film and only fans here and I can get a free live

So say, for instance, you and me just went cruising then.

We could have hooked up with multiple guys then, I'm sure, because there were

just lots of guys there around.

If you were to hook up now and then go home, what's the feeling you would get

leaving? Would you feel that was fun and exciting?

Would you feel energised? How would you feel? If it was successful. Sometimes

I've been and I haven't found anyone that I've been attracted to and I've

home without interacting with anyone.

And I do feel kind of like...

a bit disappointed but then again i wouldn't go straight home i would go

somewhere else for a hookup because if i've made the effort to like clean out

i'm definitely do you think that when it's good it when it's good it's great

it's worth it when it's good yeah like i've gone home feeling like very relaxed

and very happy yeah yeah i wonder wouldn't even go cruising like the

lesbian i don't know i don't know