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you there.
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Shot down on the battlefields of
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Vietnam. You my enemy? My name is the
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white people, not Viet Congs or Chinese
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or Japanese.
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He refused to step forward. He was
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sentenced to five years in jail.
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They took they stripped his title.
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He gave young people the guts to come
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out against the war.
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The more I hear that song, it is a
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masterpiece.
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It does not have a coda. It doesn't have
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a riff. It is a blues song. It is a pop
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song. It is a jazz song. It is a folk
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song.
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1967 for me was the big fight for free
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radio. You know, they called it the
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summer of love but I missed out on
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two-thirds of it cuz I was living the
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life of a sailor on a pirate ship. I'm
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Radio Caroline.
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The thing about the
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the scene and the summer of love itself,
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which was a phenomenon. It was a moment.
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It was the greatest flash mob in
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history.
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London was the hip center of the
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universe in terms of bands, fashion, and
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experimentation.
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There were so many great clubs to choose
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from.
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There was the Bag O'Nails club. There's
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a Speakeasy where all the groups used to
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go. Cromwellian club was a big favorite.
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So, we just used to head for the clubs.
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I mean, one of the things I did on my
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week off is I went to the UFO
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in Tottenham Court Road.
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And you go down into this basement.
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And and there was all these really weird
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light shows.
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This is where Joe Boyd, the American
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Spengali producer,
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would book bands like the Soft Machine
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and Pink Floyd. And they'd perform and
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there'd be these light shows.
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And a lot of LSD would be ingested and
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it was really the sort of flowering of
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the beautiful people. And I think there
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was a period when when UFO was at its
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height, there was this feeling that
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anything is possible. It was the first
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manifestation in
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certainly in central London of
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that ethos which became known as the
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kind of
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summer of love.
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I mean, I was going to France. You know,
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kids go to Thailand, you know, South
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America now. Uh
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but going to France was as big a trip in
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those days. There were an interesting
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group of English people there and one of
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them's parents bought a house on the
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harbor of Saint-Tropez. Of course,
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Saint-Tropez was nothing then. It was
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just a small fishing port. The first day
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we were there, we saw Brigitte Bardot
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with a leopard on a on a chain walking
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through the street and we thought we'd
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gone to heaven and died. We thought it
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cannot get better than this.
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Sprint into springtime with a Mustang
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sport sprint sale at your Ford dealers.
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Those days guys had cars, you know,
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these big I mean, everybody loved the
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Mustang. I mean, if you got one,
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um your dad had money. So, the guys
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would show off by driving up in these
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red
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engine red Ford Mustangs. Three new ways
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to take the Mustang pledge. Your choice,
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the Mustang hardtop, which is hard to
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top. An optional full-width seat with
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center armrest.
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And so, we were all us girls were trying
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to find guys who had Mustangs because in
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the summertime, we could drive with the
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hood down by the lake. So, I think it
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was the feeling of going to the prom
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um
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and going with the guy I wanted to go
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with.
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Although, I
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was quite bookish. So, in a sense, I
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wasn't
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I only appealed to the intellectuals and
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the strange boys, you know, the really
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the radicals and you know, people you
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who did wouldn't have a Mustang because
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it was like not on to own anything. And
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these guys were like, I'm going to go
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live in a commune. I'm like, not going
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to have a job. And my father would say,
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get him out of here.
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I've always thought Ray Davies is a kind
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of brilliant
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character and
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the Kinks were always extraordinary
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they're always on their own.
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You know, there was they were kind of
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yes, you could fit them into sort of
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being other things but actually they
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were very much on their own and I
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thought they were they were a
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quintessentially British.
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This, ladies and gentlemen, is London.
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Swinging London it's been called.
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Up in Church Street, Kensington, which
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we used to go to a lot, there was Bus
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Stop and there was Biba and they were
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amazing. Clothes were hanging around and
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the lights were dark and there were bits
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of jewelry and scarves.
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And these these wonderful colors, these
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aubergines and quite a lot of pinks, if
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I remember rightly. Very some acid
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colors. I I think we broke a lot of zips
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in that Biba trying things on. A lot of
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them were very small.
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But it was great fun. It was just like
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nowhere you'd shopped before ever and it
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was completely brilliant. When Mary
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Quant invades new realms of fashion,
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bright young girls are interested and so
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is the national press. Mary Quant had a
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had a boutique on the King's Road. Mary
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Quant's the clothes were expensive. They
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weren't cheap.
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But very, very important, very
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revolutionary. The mini skirt was the
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most famous thing and also became a
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you know, a celebrity in her own right.
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Suddenly, there's this idea that there's
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a kind of meeting point between fashion
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and music and art.
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I wore mini skirts even though my mother
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I mean,
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my mother would say to me, don't go out
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looking like that. And I guess she must
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have been terrified, you know, because
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to her, I didn't have any clothes on.
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How did Twiggy strike you? Very
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refreshing. And her clothes? Adorable.
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She was extraordinary looking. I mean,
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she you know, I there was nothing that
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ever looked like Twiggy before. She was
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a working class shop girl. She was kind
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of out of worldly, you know, but she was
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she she was a gamin.
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She's quite boyish looking. I used to
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have a Saturday job at a hairdresser's
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where my sister worked and Justin's
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brother worked. My parents were like,
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no. You're supposed to have hair and
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it's bouffant and it's puffed out like
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that and you aren't going around with
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your hair cut short and big eyes and
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looking like
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a superannuated five-year-old, which is
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what Twiggy looked like when we think
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you think back on it now.
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Taylor, Firebird is a stallion. Brando,
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you disgust me. Elizabeth Taylor. Have
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you ever been collared and dragged out
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into the street and thrashed by a naked
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woman?
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Marlon Brando. I SWEAR I'LL KILL YOU.
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REFLECTIONS in a golden eye.
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We had tons of movie star magazines. I
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mean, it was all about Liz Taylor. Liz
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Taylor, Liz Taylor. And the hair,
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the eyes, the lipstick. Reflections in a
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golden eye stars the Elizabeth Taylor
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who showed the world what a woman really
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is. I grew up in Chicago when the
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Playboy Mansion was there and Hugh
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Hefner had started whole bunny thing.
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So, that was also a look. It's the hair.
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Hair, hair,
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tits out to there, lips, and be a Bond
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girl.
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What's a nice girl like you doing in a
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place like this? Bond is back. And then
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you add on top of it being a black
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woman, so we had to sort of
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sort of recalibrate that through our own
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experience and our own
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kind of examples, which would have been
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the Supremes and Diana Ross, basically.
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I mean, the Supremes were actually
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uh a black girl
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hot
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incredible group who could really sing
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and Berry Gordy just kept ironing them
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out, ironing them out, you know, pull
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ruffling the sheets, pressing them,
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pushing them down, throwing bleach on
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them.
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This is really a show tune, yeah. You
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can hear it. You can definitely hear
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this on Broadway and in nightclubs and
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everything else. But, it's kind of it's
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celebrating the the new hip culture the
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the new hip young culture, you know, the
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happening.
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In 1967, Prime Minister Harold Wilson
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applied for UK entry into the European
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Economic Community.
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NASA celebrated Surveyor 3, the first
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unmanned landing on the moon.
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You couldn't not be a Marvin Gaye fan.
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The talent of people that came out of
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Motown, there's never been anything
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anything to touch that anywhere
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in the world since.
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Tamla was very much part of the music I
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loved, but with that pop infusion.
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And I just thought this is the most
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incredible music. White people felt
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comfortable singing soulish type songs
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and black people felt comfortable
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singing more pop. So, it was starting to
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the cuz the Supremes were starting to
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sing pop, the Temptations were starting
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to sing pop.
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Um and so, right before the '70s when
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everything switched around, but this was
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so you could see this starting to open
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up.
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Now, at this point, we are going to
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leave Golden Gate Park to go into
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the Haight-Ashbury district of San
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Francisco.
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I would say that the last 18 months has
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seen a tremendous increase of the
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so-called hippie.
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In America, the young people were
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beginning to rebel against their '50s
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style parents.
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It just wasn't cool to be concerned
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about college or a profession.
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Suddenly, these things called hippies
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emerged, you know, and they were
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you know, they just
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they weren't conforming.
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I think maybe especially shocking were
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the guys who when you look back on it
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now, were taking a lot of feminine
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values. The philosophy
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that they brought with them and that was
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engendered right in that place was that
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everything would be free.
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It was a mini utopia.
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It completely freaked out so many
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American families. They just couldn't
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deal with it.
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When they had kids who suddenly wore
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weird clothes or let let their hair grow
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long, have left school college, looking
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strange or with a weird looking
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boyfriend or girlfriend or something
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like that.
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People got locked up, you know, because
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the parents could not handle
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the idea that everything they worked for
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to establish their toehold in the
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American dream
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is being thrown away by their son who
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was joining the three kids and jumping
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in the VW van and going to
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Haight-Ashbury. There is no family so
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busy but that it can come together in
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the evening for a dinner date which will
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give its members something to look back
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upon with happiness.
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Somebody who came to Britain, I noticed
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long-haired people I knew and kids with
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earrings, gold earrings and
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shoulder-length hair
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going home and having a drink with their
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dad in the pub who had a short
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haircut and
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it was very relaxed. One's parents
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didn't really I mean, they might have
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objected, but they they were more
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accommodating, I think, because they
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didn't perceive it in the same way as
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the Americans did. They didn't perceive
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it as a threat at all. They just
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thought, "Oh, it's it's a phase he's
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going through. This is uh this is the
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teenage years, you know, and he wants to
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express himself."
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But, the difference about '67 and I
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think the thing that makes it such a
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unique year and a year that's still to
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this day
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gets right-wing politicians
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steam coming out of their ears, you
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know, they feel it's like that's where
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everything went wrong
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is because of LSD. And I mean, drugs has
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to be mentioned as being a part of it
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cuz people's consciousness was expanded
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by by, you know, marijuana and and to a
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certain extent LSD. Paul, how often have
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you taken LSD?
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Uh four times.
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I don't know what everyone's so angry
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about. You know, when Paul McCartney
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acknowledged taking it, you know, it was
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blown up in all the newspapers. Shock,
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horror. You know, they busted the Stones
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and there was a huge trial.
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And there was a feeling of alarm among
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powers that be that things were getting
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out of control, that young people were
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going off in a dangerous direction which
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nobody could understand.
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And it did have to do with drugs, but it
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also had to do with dress, it had to do
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with music and
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most important, it did have to do with
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that sense
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that you could change things.
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And young people felt they could and in
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fact did.
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1967 for me was the big fight for free
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radio. You know, they call it the summer
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of love, but I missed out on two-thirds
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of it cuz I was living the life of a
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sailor on a pirate ship on Radio
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Caroline.
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I was already in the media by then and
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I'd been into this
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guy called Ronan O'Rahilly, this
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revolutionary idea of blasting out pop
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music from a ship in international
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waters, which already sounded very
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glamorous. I defy anybody, I mean,
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anybody in my generation. We were avid
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listeners to Radio Caroline. I mean, you
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forget BBC. That was
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it was old old people's stuff.
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So, it was the only place you could
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actually hear all this new music.
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Of course, we all had our little
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transistors radios that that were, you
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know, another wonderful thing that you
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could have cuz you had portable music.
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You know, I'd listen to Radio Caroline
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on that and it would come
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it would come and go with it was like
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the waves breaking sometimes and then,
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you know, but you you stuck with it cuz
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you admired them.
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They were doing something for us, it
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felt, against them. You know, in America
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you had thousands of commercial
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stations. We didn't have many in this
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country. We only had the BBC who had
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this idea of what was good for us and
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what we should hear and more
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importantly, what we're not supposed to
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hear. People like Johnny Walker, you
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know, great great DJs and they would mix
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the stuff up. You know, you'd have Sam
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and Dave and Arthur Conley followed by
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um I don't know, Cream or something. You
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know, they didn't sort of separate it
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out because it was all great music and
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it was all happening at the time. And he
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would do something so I thought was very
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romantic.
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He would ask the listeners to park their
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cars on the coastline
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and flash their headlights out to sea so
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he could see them. I always thought that
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was a
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I think the whole of
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to me radio is a very romantic thing. I
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mean, there were huge numbers of records
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that may not have been hits at all.
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Groups and artists we may not have heard
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of
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were it not for pirate radio.
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There were huge marches, thousands of
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teenagers would descend on Trafalgar
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Square. There was a massive
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Offences Act, which would become legal
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just a minute past midnight on the 14th
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of August, 1967. And Radio Caroline was
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the only station that said, "We're going
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to defy the government and keep on
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broadcasting."
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I think so many of these things which
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were played out very playfully in
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Britain
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with fashion, with demonstrations, with
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rebellion
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and were kind of
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amusing and they were entertaining and
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they made for a very lively arts, music,
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fashion, design
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scene. In America,
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they were deadly serious and they were
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much more threatening to the status quo
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and much more unsettling
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to authority and uh
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and the stakes seemed to be much higher.
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Promises of the Great Society
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have been shot down on the battlefields
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of Vietnam.
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You know, what Johnson called the Great
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Society,
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it was meant to be great for everyone.
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It wasn't meant to just be great for the
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middle-aged generation who got you know,
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who survived the
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Second World War, gone through that. It
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was meant to be great for their
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children, too. And yet, you had this
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this entire generation who
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were threatened by the war, they could
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have been drafted, they had that hanging
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over them and it didn't make any sense
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to them. It wasn't this noble fight the
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World War II was.
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The giant protests
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were
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not only not even so much the soldiers
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as their mothers.
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Because what the hell is my boy doing in
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Vietnam?
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Television news was full of the latest
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no real surprise that most of us were
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kind of dreaming and searching for a
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faith that things would get better. We
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didn't know the suffering that
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the soldiers on our side went through.
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We didn't know
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what they had inflicted as well on the
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on the Vietcong. We didn't know any of
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those things.
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We just knew that we were being sent to
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war by old guys.
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Were there any Americans who thought the
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Americans were going to win the war?
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So, what are you doing in the jungle?
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I still remember his name. His name was
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Richard Panaman. He was like the class,
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I guess, clown and always happy.
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And he went to Vietnam.
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And he stepped on a landmine and he was
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killed.
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And it resonated through our school.
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When you think about how many thousands
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of young American lives are sacrificed
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for that war and really
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what was it all about? We had no say in
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it at all. Just for us a bunch of old
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people who were saying you got to go.
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Uh, if you didn't want to go, you either
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went to jail like Muhammad Ali or
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you went to Canada. The thing about Ali
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was that he was very articulate. So, in
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spite of the fact that he was threatened
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with actually 5 years imprisonment,
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which is what he could have been for
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refusing the draft.
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Um, he gave very impassioned and very
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articulate speech as to why he wouldn't
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fight and didn't want to fight because
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um, he did not regard uh, the Vietnamese
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North Vietnamese and the Vietcong as his
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enemy. You my enemy? My enemy is the
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white people, not the Vietcong or the
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Chinese or Japanese. Yes, I'll just no
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comment on my boxing religion induction.
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No comments on whatever, nothing. He
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refused to step forward. He was
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sentenced to 5 years in jail.
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They took They stripped his title.
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While he was waiting for the Supreme
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Court to decide his case, he spent his
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time going to colleges, talked all over
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the country. He gave young people the
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guts to come out against the war.
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I remember Muhammad Ali said,
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"No Vietcong ever called me a [ __ ]
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So, why am I going to go and fight him?
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I'm not going to fight him."
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So, they took away his belt, his status,
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and he got convicted.
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'67 was the turning point where
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huge swaths of America
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went, "Wait a minute.
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What are we doing?"
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You know, Muhammad Ali opened their
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eyes.
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"What have we got against these
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Vietnamese? Why are we killing them?"
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And also he was a great athlete. He was
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very beautiful as well. So, you know,
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all of these things sort of welded
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together.
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Um, because we were little kids, he was
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in his prime, he was fighting, and he
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won every fight. So, he would you know,
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if you're a little child and you're
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sitting there and some guy comes on the
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ring and says,
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"I told him a lie. I'm going to get him
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in five." And then you get him in five.
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You sitting there as a little kid going,
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"Yeah." You know, so he meant
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an awful lot to us and his point of view
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is very important to us.
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Well, the Vietnam War was a huge shadow
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over which every young man faced, you
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know, you could be drafted. And that's
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absolutely terrifying. So, I think that
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the the the hippie movement was a huge
549
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,320
product of that. Certainly that was the
550
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,840
golden age of the San Francisco hate
551
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,240
ashbury scene. And
552
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,640
for that brief period,
553
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,920
it was a kind of it seemed like a sort
554
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,000
of wonderland, but I think the
555
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,960
wonderland was tempered by the fact that
556
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,520
it it was by its it had to be escapist
557
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,320
because there was such a horrible fear
558
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,000
of Vietnam.
559
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,360
On the one level you can talk about all
560
00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:02,720
the social changes,
561
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,640
sexual revolution,
562
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,880
anti-war protests and everything, but
563
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,360
meanwhile,
564
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,160
huge business was being done
565
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,080
with the sale of LPs.
566
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,040
The album was a statement. You know,
567
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,520
before it would be that you know, you'd
568
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:19,880
write your hit single and then you'd do
569
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,080
a bunch of blues songs and live. And now
570
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,280
it got to the point where bands were
571
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,679
writing enough material to fill an
572
00:24:24,679 --> 00:24:26,840
entire album and making their own
573
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,080
statements and making and and so, you
574
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,880
know, the album, the artwork, the sleeve
575
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,080
notes, the lyric sheet, all that stuff
576
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,440
became very very important.
577
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:44,720
We'd all
578
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,760
gather and and sit around the the stereo
579
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,679
and listen to the whole album in
580
00:24:50,679 --> 00:24:52,760
silence. There was obviously a certain
581
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,120
amount of competition, you know, who'd
582
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:55,920
get the album first, whatever it
583
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,360
happened to be next, you know, the new
584
00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:00,480
Jimi Hendrix album.
585
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,560
Chas Chandler of The Animals
586
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,640
had seen him play in America. Said,
587
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,160
"I'll be your manager." Brought him to
588
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,800
the UK, got him on Track Records, which
589
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,720
was The Who's label.
590
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:12,640
Um,
591
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,840
and
592
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,240
got him to be heard by
593
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,120
the peer group.
594
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,880
By all accounts,
595
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,560
as soon as he arrived, he was an
596
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,520
absolute sensation. Played in front of
597
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,120
Eric Clapton and Eric Clapton sort of
598
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:40,800
right, "That's it. It's over. You know,
599
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,520
there's nobody like this." Played in
600
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:43,560
front of Pete Townshend, couldn't
601
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,440
believe it, you know. And so, all these
602
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,440
guitar gods had suddenly, you know, had
603
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,679
to sort of doff their cap to this
604
00:25:48,679 --> 00:25:50,000
incredible guy.
605
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,360
And he developed here, you know. So,
606
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,240
early songs like Hey Joe, you know, the
607
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,920
first album Are You Experienced, all
608
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,240
these things, it was it was developed in
609
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,400
Britain. So, Jimi Hendrix was kind of
610
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,280
introduced to the superstar straight
611
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,160
away cuz everyone wanted to
612
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,560
figure out this incredible talent he had
613
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,400
with guitar. And I mean, you know, you
614
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,440
could have regarded him as a threat
615
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,080
because he was so much better than
616
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,760
everybody else.
617
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,080
Being a DJ at Radio Caroline, we'd do
618
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,600
these Radio Caroline disco nights on
619
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,320
land. We did one at the Wimbledon
620
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,280
Palais, another one was the Chislehurst
621
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,960
Caves. They'd put a little stage in
622
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,720
there and a disco system and they had a
623
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,880
stage with a PA and bands used to play.
624
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,920
And in fact, Jimi Hendrix
625
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,000
played his first ever gig,
626
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,640
uh, I think I'm right in saying it, in
627
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,920
the Chislehurst Caves.
628
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,400
I used to go to skating rink a lot. And
629
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,000
Groovin' was what you skated to. So, you
630
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,480
put your skates on, rental skates, and
631
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,760
then they would put Groovin' on. And it
632
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,280
was a good thing. You could glide in
633
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,480
your skates. And if you had a boyfriend,
634
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,480
you could do like these two things to
635
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,120
Groovin'. It was all deeply corny, but
636
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,320
it was a good skating song, so it was
637
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,160
really nice.
638
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,520
Young Rascals are a great American band
639
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:19,840
and and
640
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,800
uh, and they came up with a record that
641
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,760
called Groovin'.
642
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,679
Groovin' on a a Sunday afternoon. What a
643
00:27:26,679 --> 00:27:30,480
perfect pop record that was.
644
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,160
The Beatles had achieved huge success
645
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,480
with Sergeant Pepper and were now caught
646
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,880
up in the emotion of the time and how to
647
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,600
achieve spirituality. It meant catching
648
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,000
a train to Bangor, North Wales.
649
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,880
And in 1967, they made the first UK
650
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,520
color TV transmission.
651
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,400
I've got an announcement to make. It's
652
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,200
about sir.
653
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,960
Well, sir, we'd all like to thank you
654
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,560
very much for everything you've done for
655
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,920
us.
656
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,880
And we'd like to give you a little
657
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,000
present to remember us by.
658
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,840
Go on, Babs. You mean MISS PEG?
659
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,520
BABS.
660
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,200
THE TIME HAS come
661
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,120
for closing books and long last looks my
662
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,360
stare.
663
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,960
And as I leave,
664
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:40,760
I know that I am leaving my best friend.
665
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,280
Interestingly enough, the song that
666
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,679
topped the charts in 1967 was Lulu, um,
667
00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:47,880
To Sir, with Love, which came from the
668
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,760
score of this film in the same name. It
669
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,720
was a small Sidney Poitier film, partly
670
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,919
because it was filmed in London. So, it
671
00:28:54,919 --> 00:28:56,200
wouldn't have been
672
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,159
it wasn't a huge huge mainstream film,
673
00:28:59,159 --> 00:29:01,919
but the song was. To get to Billboard
674
00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:04,760
top 100 or to be in the number one, that
675
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,840
means everybody was buying you. Not just
676
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,120
people who would have been to Lulu's
677
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,200
music. Everybody was buying this.
678
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,560
Sidney Poitier had an unbelievable year
679
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,600
in 1967. He made To Sir, with Love,
680
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,400
Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, and In the
681
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,200
Heat of the Night.
682
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,280
We're all pretty sure you're something,
683
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,480
Virgil. Virgil, that's a funny name for
684
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,800
a boy that comes from Philadelphia. What
685
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,200
do they call you up there?
686
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,640
They call me Mr. Tibbs. MR. TIBBS? WELL,
687
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,919
MR. WOOD, TAKE MR. TIBBS. TAKE HIM DOWN
688
00:29:38,919 --> 00:29:41,159
TO THE DEPOT and I mean boy, like now.
689
00:29:41,159 --> 00:29:43,880
To see In the Heat of the Night
690
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,960
about a racist Southern cop,
691
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,320
a redneck, having to deal with this very
692
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,240
educated black man who comes down and
693
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,600
solves the crime. And he has to work
694
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,280
with this guy who's like educated 3,000
695
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,360
times above anything Rod Steiger could
696
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,240
be. It was a big movie. It was a big
697
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,920
movie. YOU CAN GET
698
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,400
JAMES BROWN
699
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,640
INVENTED EVERYTHING.
700
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,840
Let me just
701
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,200
say that even before he was born he
702
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,000
invented stuff. Nobody has touched cold
703
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,600
sweat. They had people who have
704
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,040
attempted to touch cold sweat.
705
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,040
There have been people who have come
706
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,240
close to cold sweat. That was the
707
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,640
mothership. That was the the foundation
708
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,720
record. You kind of underestimate the
709
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,040
significance of James Brown who invented
710
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,160
funk.
711
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,440
Is it Sly Stone? Is it James Brown? I
712
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,240
think it's James Brown.
713
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,920
Intriguing enough, although there was
714
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,880
this
715
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,280
movement towards um
716
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,320
peace and love and understanding. It It
717
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,600
coincided with with quite a lot of
718
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,360
international conflicts.
719
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,280
Um the Six-Day War began in Israel.
720
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,400
Which again was a was a fairly
721
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,240
unpleasant um period. The Six-Day War
722
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,440
was a you know huge headline news and
723
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,200
obviously um
724
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,080
you were aware of the impact it was
725
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,320
going to have on changing you know the
726
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,080
borders and politics in the Middle East.
727
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,960
Again, I mean we weren't really that
728
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,840
politically involved but you knew this
729
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,160
was obviously a momentous event really.
730
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,560
Israel was extremely important for us.
731
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,160
But I think the Six-Day War began to
732
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,280
change that a bit.
733
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,520
Because Israel began to take territory.
734
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,640
And that was something
735
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,520
that went against our own idea of what
736
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,360
it Israel was.
737
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,240
And we were caught up in Vietnam, too.
738
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,120
Every black kid on planet Earth loves
739
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,080
Stevie and I was made to love her. It
740
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,920
was just beautiful. It was a song you
741
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,560
danced to at your prom. It was the song
742
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,440
of the summer. It was a great great
743
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,360
great song.
744
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,520
This was the Ed Sullivan show and that
745
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,560
was the big showcase. Like Saturday
746
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,560
night the Palladium. It was massive. If
747
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,400
you got on that show,
748
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,400
you cracked open everything. And Ed
749
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,040
Sullivan was like this waxwork who had
750
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,880
been around for sort of like 50 years
751
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,280
and he would come out and he'd go, "No.
752
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,520
It's
753
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,640
the Doors."
754
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,360
They said they wanted him to take out
755
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,760
the line about getting high.
756
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,320
Jim Morrison cheered, "Yeah, okay, we'll
757
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,760
do that."
758
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,760
And then when it came to the live show,
759
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,640
he sang about getting high. Fantastic.
760
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,040
I think the Doors are a very symbolic of
761
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,679
the darkness that was at the heart of
762
00:33:13,679 --> 00:33:15,600
the most interesting American music of
763
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,480
1967.
764
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,440
It was a demarcation
765
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,440
and it was indication of the demarcation
766
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,360
of our youth. The the the whole thing
767
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,920
that we've been brought up in and the
768
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,960
whole thing we've been brought to
769
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,640
respect, it was over over over.
770
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,600
The Mamas and the Papas were another
771
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,320
band that captured the whole California
772
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,480
vibe. Their harmonies were were
773
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,160
marvelous, classic. I mean never like
774
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,240
the Beach Boys with girls. I mean who
775
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,080
didn't want to go to California because
776
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,760
of California Dreaming? Who You couldn't
777
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,360
not want to go there. I was desperate to
778
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,840
get there. I was desperate to go to
779
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,520
Monterey.
780
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,120
Lou Adler and Andrew Oldham put on the
781
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,480
Monterey Pop Festival with a little help
782
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,560
from the Mamas and Papas. Well, this is
783
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,120
John Phillips of the Mamas and Papas.
784
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,960
And I'd like to talk to Dion. I had no
785
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,480
idea that the Monterey Pop Festival was
786
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,440
going to happen but I wished I could
787
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,359
have been there.
788
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:23,919
Uh
789
00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:25,800
to see Otis Redding. I mean one of my
790
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,840
big idols, one of my heroes of the 1960s
791
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,120
was Otis Redding. Have been
792
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,359
loving you
793
00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:42,600
too long
794
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,480
to stop now.
795
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,560
For him to go to Monterey was really
796
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:52,760
what
797
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,879
catapulted Otis Redding
798
00:34:54,879 --> 00:34:57,280
to becoming as famous as he did. Otis
799
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,359
Redding
800
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:02,000
in my mind, I think probably is the
801
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,880
greatest soul singer of all time. I just
802
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,000
love his voice. It was the year he did
803
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,760
it did Monterey and it was the year he
804
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,520
did I've been loving you too long at
805
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,080
Monterey which is again one of the most
806
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,800
beautiful songs.
807
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,440
So I think Otis, you know, absolutely
808
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,240
integral to the uh the story of 1967.
809
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:29,320
Not least because it was still quite a
810
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,080
segregated time and Otis had the the
811
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,120
foresight to cross over into the
812
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,720
predominantly white hippie culture.
813
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,080
The showmanship, the flair. I mean
814
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,720
British groups all had this sense of
815
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:58,240
showmanship whereas Americans were like
816
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,040
seriously playing the blues solo.
817
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,880
And and in way the first
818
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,800
manifestation of this was Monterey.
819
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,760
When all these groups that were sort of
820
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,600
legendary in America cuz they were been
821
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,359
famous in Britain
822
00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:17,440
were brought for the first time.
823
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,880
But the Animals were they were a
824
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,080
raw British blues band who
825
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,920
got involved in the early days of the
826
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,480
American hippie scene.
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00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,840
It was so competitive really. The groups
828
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,400
they they'd be real friends when they
829
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,520
met each other but my word that they did
830
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,560
not, you know, try to outdo each other.
831
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,040
Well, I made this documentary about Jimi
832
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,120
Hendrix and I have Pete Townshend
833
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,840
talking about backstage
834
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,640
at Monterey.
835
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,960
Where basically Hendrix says, "I'm not
836
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,680
going to follow you guys.
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00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,320
You're too good on stage." And Townshend
838
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,520
says, "Well, I'm not following you.
839
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,680
You're way better than us." And finally
840
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,480
Hendrix says, "Well, look, I'm warning
841
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,600
you.
842
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,600
If I follow you,
843
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,120
I'm going to pull out all the stops."
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00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,000
And so the Who go on stage and
845
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,920
Townshend, you know, smashes his guitar
846
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,320
and and the Americans had never seen
847
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,400
anything like it. And then out comes
848
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,080
Hendrix.
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00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,120
As the climax of his set, burns his
850
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,720
guitar on stage.
851
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,800
In a way Monterey, you see
852
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,160
so many things being presented to the
853
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,040
mass American audience for the first
854
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,640
time. You know, this English flamboyance
855
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,400
in the form of the Who, this
856
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,200
transatlantic weird blend
857
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,640
um of Hendrix and the show
858
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,800
and and Otis and Janis. I mean all of
859
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,680
these together in one place in one
860
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,400
weekend in 1967.
861
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,160
It was amazing.
862
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,880
Janis Joplin was
863
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,080
completely wild. You know, she'd come
864
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,560
through Austin, Texas. She had been uh
865
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,440
you know, been in trouble at school in
866
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,280
various ways and then she she you know,
867
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,520
showed up in San Francisco and and had
868
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,800
the most incredible voice of you know,
869
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,440
kind of the best
870
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,120
the best blues voice you could have find
871
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,400
in a white woman.
872
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,520
These three days in June were as tense
873
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,440
as the all the music of 1967.
874
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:55,160
The importance of the music because it
875
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,040
was so central to the culture, I'd say
876
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,800
it was the most important art form in
877
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,000
Britain and America at the time is that
878
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:03,920
it
879
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,760
galvanized and unified people and made
880
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,720
people feel hopeful and positive and
881
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:11,320
capable of dealing with whatever was
882
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,760
being thrown their way. Which in
883
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,760
America, the big thing was Vietnam and
884
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,600
in in Britain, the big thing was
885
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,840
breaking away from the former war
886
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,560
generation.
887
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,240
It was about class thing, a social thing
888
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:35,840
and you could break through and do what
889
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,520
you dreamed of doing without having had
890
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,160
a very privileged background.
891
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,560
Suddenly there was a whole turnabout and
892
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,160
aristocrats wanted to employ working
893
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,080
class people because of the Beatles,
894
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,440
because of the Stones, because of that
895
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,200
whole movement.
896
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,040
You know, in that period in the '60s,
897
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,920
there was a feeling that we could do
898
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,240
anything. If you were young and you had
899
00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:01,480
ambition and you had drive, you could
900
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:02,960
get out there and do whatever you
901
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,480
wanted.
902
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,840
It gave us all
903
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,640
a moment in the sun to think that maybe
904
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,920
just maybe if we did this and not that,
905
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,040
then things would be a lot better.
906
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,200
I mean, it was all about love.
907
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,040
And it's a shame now people are kind of
908
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,680
shy and embarrassed to talk about love.
909
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,160
But then, it became known as the summer
910
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,680
of love.
911
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,280
If we want to talk about 1967, we have
912
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,880
to talk about Jefferson Airplane. We
913
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,480
have to talk about White Rabbit.
914
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,440
Masterpiece.
915
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,080
White Rabbit is a movie. It's a novel.
916
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,560
It's an opera. It is the darkness that
917
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,480
was about to come.
918
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,880
One pill makes you larger
919
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,600
and one pill makes you small. Jefferson
920
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,000
Airplane were very much a product of the
921
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,840
politics of the time.
922
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,120
They were a strident
923
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,000
revolutionary band born of the
924
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,680
Haight-Ashbury scene.
925
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,760
And even when you have songs like
926
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,360
Somebody to Love and White Rabbit,
927
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,920
there's a there's an edge of darkness
928
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,600
there. I mean, lot of people didn't I
929
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,240
think realize what White Rabbit was
930
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:33,640
about.
931
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:34,760
Um otherwise, it wouldn't have got
932
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,560
airplay. We didn't know that the madness
933
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,320
was coming. A lot of madness was coming
934
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,720
down. We didn't know that. But Grace
935
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:45,600
Slick and the Airplane actually told us
936
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,240
in so many ways that there was a dark
937
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:51,680
side to this. And it was the other side
938
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,240
of the summer of love. It was the other
939
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:55,960
side. She said it was coming. They said
940
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,440
it was coming.
941
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,720
And it came.
942
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:02,440
As the fighting raged on for years, the
943
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,600
U.S. military continued the bombing of
944
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,840
Vietnam and civil rights battles would
945
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,360
escalate to cities across America. We
946
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,320
will not tolerate lawlessness. Murder
947
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,680
and arson
948
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,760
have nothing to do with civil rights.64254
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