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Bye.
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Thank you so much for joining us. It has
been a busy week. The Iran war hit the
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60 -day mark. My mom and dad came to
visit the U .S.
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And last Saturday, a gunman charged the
White House correspondent's dinner. And
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just hours later, Trump announced the
big conclusion that he'd drawn.
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It's not a particularly secure building.
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And I didn't want to say this, but this
is why we have to have all of the...
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attributes of what we're planning at the
White House. We need the ballroom,
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that's why Secret Service, that's why
the military are demanding it.
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Okay, first and least importantly, it is
so weird to see those three men, that
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dressed up and that serious.
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The two possible contexts for that image
are emergency The White House
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Correspondents Dinner or Father of the
Bride and Two Groomsmen apologizing for
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accidentally giving the ring bearer
cocaine.
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For the record, just because someone
wanted to shoot you at the DC Hilton
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doesn't mean you get to push for an
unrelated personal ambition.
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To his credit, when Reagan got shot
there, he didn't immediately say, see,
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is what happens when you let air traffic
controllers get notions.
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But I guess, kudos to Trump for now
having the second most embarrassing
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on the topic of presidential ballroom,
with the most embarrassing still being
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when LBJ called the head of the Hagar
Pants Company to say this.
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The crotch down where your nuts hang.
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It's always a little too tight.
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So when you make them up, give me an
inch that I can let out there.
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Because they cut me. They're just like
riding a wire fence.
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Let's see if you can't leave me about an
inch from where the zipper ends.
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Around under my back of my bum hole.
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It's still so good.
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Every US history textbook should include
at least one chapter titled, That Phone
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Call Where LBJ Discusses Big Swingin'
Nuts, and then says the word bunghole
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loud. With an immediate follow -up
chapter called, Oh My God, Wait the
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Almost Forgot to Talk About the Burp.
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And I wish so much I could talk about
that all night. But sadly, we need to
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about the fact that on Wednesday, the
Supreme Court did this.
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Tonight, in a ruling that could reshape
the future makeup of Congress, the
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Supreme Court limiting the use of race
to determine how congressional districts
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are drawn, slicing away at the landmark
Voting Rights Act, signed into law by
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President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1965 at
the height of the civil rights movement.
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Yeah, the Supreme Court carved up one of
LBJ's signature achievements like it
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was, I don't know, just off the top of
my head here, a nutsack riding a wire
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fence.
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That ruling basically gutted Section 2
of the VRA, which prohibits race -based
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discrimination when it comes to voting,
including drawing election maps that
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dilute minority voting power. And in
writing the opinion for the majority,
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Justice Alito took a bold swing.
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Justice Alito writing, the only time
race can be a factor is when there's
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evidence the state intentionally drew
its districts to afford minority voters
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less opportunity because of their race.
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Alito noting, vast social change has
occurred throughout the country, and
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particularly in the South, which have
made great strides in ending entrenched
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racial discrimination.
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Okay, that is obviously horseshit.
Especially given, to the extent
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made progress on racial discrimination,
it's been thanks in part to the law. He
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just fucking got it. Still, credit to
ABC for picking that photo of Alito,
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has strong, this school dance wasn't
supposed to be integrated energy.
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He looks like he's angry about the
existence of jazz.
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Experts predict this ruling will roll
back decades of progress in minority
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representation at both the local and
national levels, with some anticipating
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could set up the largest ever decline in
the number of black representatives on
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Capitol Hill, which sure feels like a
few steps back from those giant strides
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forward that segregation Sammy here was
talking about.
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Now, some states... have already held
their congressional primaries for this
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year, so they can't redraw their lines
until 2028. But others are scrambling to
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take action. The governor of Louisiana
suspended its congressional primary two
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days before the start of early voting so
that the state could redraw its map,
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with this being the expected result.
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Only one of Louisiana's six
congressional districts will now be
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even though black voters make up one
-third of the state.
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Congressman Cleo Fields represents the
district now ruled unconstitutional,
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saying the decision will make it more
difficult for non -white candidates to
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elected. If you tell me I have to be
white to serve in Congress from
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I can't do nothing about that.
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That is rough. And of course he can't do
anything about that, because if he did,
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that wouldn't be a viable political
strategy. It would be, as we all know,
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long -awaited sequel to 2004's White
Chicks. And we don't want that.
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And it's not just Louisiana.
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Florida passed a new redistricting map
the same day this decision was handed
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down, and the governors of Alabama and
Tennessee have called special sessions
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try to ram new maps through.
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And this state senator in Georgia, who's
currently running for lieutenant
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governor, quickly urged his state to do
the same.
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The last thing that Republicans need to
do is be weak -kneed in this moment.
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This is a time to be bold. This is a
time to be aggressive. And in Georgia,
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means calling a special session and
redrawing our maps.
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Yet Republicans like radicalized Frankie
Muniz here are chomping at the bit to
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redraw maps. And all else aside, that
guy's name is Greg Dolezal.
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Greg Dolezal.
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And he's trying to turn black districts
white. So finally, someone has managed
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to pull off a reverse Dolezal. And that
is not easy to do.
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And look, so far, Georgia's governor
said he won't sign off on redrawing its
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map. for this election, and some new
maps will face challenges on procedural
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grounds. But long term, the harms are
going to be significant here.
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And while there'll clearly be more to
say about this going forward, the one
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thing we can say for sure right now is
that this decision is yet another sign
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that the current Supreme Court seems to
have pretty much the exact same goal as
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LBJ's Taylor, and that is to make things
a lot more comfortable for a bunch of
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very unpleasant nuts and arseholes.
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And now, this.
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And now.
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Kids speak their truth in KTVH's Weather
Rookie segment.
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Good evening, everybody. I've got my new
friend, Dustin.
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Look at that smile.
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That's a million -dollar smile.
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You must have, like, five girlfriends.
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I actually have two.
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Your class is going to watch this
tomorrow.
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Do you want to give a shout -out to
anyone?
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Can I say the names? Yeah, go ahead.
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Javis, please be more responsible in
class.
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How should people jump into that pond?
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Whatever they want. Whatever they want.
What do you want to do? What would you
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do? Triple backflip?
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I don't think I'm capable of that.
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You said you've never been to Great
Falls, but look at that. By the magic of
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television, we have transported you to
Great Falls. How does it feel?
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Oh, good.
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It feels good. Would you say it feels
great to be in Great Falls?
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Well, technically I'm not.
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Say hello to everybody.
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Hi, everybody.
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Hi, everybody. The entire state, the
entire world could be watching this.
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How do you feel about that?
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Creeped out.
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Moving on. Our main story tonight
concerns drugs.
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We've talked about all sorts of them
before, from opioids to compounded drugs
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psychedelics to opioids again to lethal
injection drugs to opioids for a third
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and final time to, of course, a bonus
opioid story. But tonight...
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We're going to talk about so -called gas
station drugs. You know, the colourful
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products with weird names that you tend
to see behind the counter at gas
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stations, convenience stores and smoke
shops. It's a whole weird world of
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poppers, whippets, questionable
supplements and boner pills. And if you
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wondering who buys those last ones, I'll
let this convenience store clerk fill
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you in.
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This is why I got to leave Circle K
soon, bro, for real. Like, so today I
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just chilling, right?
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Working, whatever.
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This white dude come up. He's like, yo,
you got any, any dick pills? Like rhino
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dick pills? And he did this shit with
his arm. I was like, we had these. He's
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like, fuck it, bro. Let me take him. I
was like, all right, bet.
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And while he was paying and shit, he
opened it and he popped one.
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And he popped one in his fucking mouth.
And I was like, and he was like, shit.
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And then he popped another one. I was
like, oh, my fucking... What are you
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doing, bro? Why the fuck did you take
two in a public area like this? You
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couldn't go home?
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You couldn't wait till you go home?
Like, what the fuck is going on, son?
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Yeah, all valid questions.
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And I will say, after hearing that, I
won't feel nearly as bad the next time I
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open a Gatorade at the register before
paying. Look, I'll pay for it in a
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second, but trust me, this could be way
weirder.
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But again, it's not just boner pills.
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These products are part of a sprawling
industry, and they promise everything
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from increased energy to pain relief.
And while you might assume that they're
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just snake oil, that's not necessarily
true.
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Some of these drugs can be actively
dangerous, presenting risks of
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just like controlled substances.
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And here's some who've been addicted to
them tell it. The very fact that that's
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been allowed to happen is pretty
infuriating.
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It's a common sight in gas station
convenience stores across the country,
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-called natural supplements on display.
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Starting in like 2015, 2014, I had an
opiate aisle. This is what Hooked looked
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like for Brandon.
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250 bottles consumed in one month at the
height of his addiction.
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There is so much that is alarming there,
from the notion of a gas station having
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an opiate aisle to the fact that, I'm
just going to say it, that is too many
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tiny bottles of anything to go through
in a month.
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Whether it's gas station supplements,
airplane bottles of vodka, or even
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-size Olay body wash. First, buy full
-size, don't live like this. But also,
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that's just too many bottles. How dirty
are you getting?
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I'm worried about you.
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And the thing is, stories like that are
becoming more common as people
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increasingly seek these drugs out. For
some, it may be for recreational use,
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because these products generally don't
get detected on drug tests.
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But for others, it may be because they
don't have access to healthcare, have a
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mistrust of mainstream science, or are
self -treating anxiety, depression,
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fatigue, or opioid withdrawal.
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The problem is, though, these drugs
exist in a regulatory wild west.
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And in part, that is by their own
design. Many of the companies behind
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to evade regulation with creative
labelling, marketing them with language
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for research purposes only, or not for
human consumption. But the most common
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tactic is simply labelling the product a
dietary supplement.
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And that is because this 1994 law
exempted the supplement industry from
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all federal regulations.
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We actually talked about that before in
our piece on Dr.
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Oz and nutritional supplements, which,
by the way, ended with Steve Buscemi tap
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dancing in front of a kid's marching
band. And just trust me, it made sense
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the time.
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But thanks to that law, there is
currently no central process.
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whereby products calling themselves
supplements are tested or approved
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they hit the shelves.
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And while there are some rules they have
to follow regarding ingredients and
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marketing, many simply ignore them. All
of which means the FDA and other
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regulators are essentially playing an
impossible game of catch -up. And the
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result of that can be a guy with a pile
of bottles on his lawn wondering how the
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fuck that was allowed to happen.
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And that's actually the least of the
consequences here. So given all of that,
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tonight, let's look at gas station
drugs. And to do that, we're going to
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on three areas in particular.
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Sexual enhancement products, a substance
called Kratom and its associated
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compound 7 -OH, and TNFD. And let's
start with the sexual enhancement stuff.
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Products like boner pills can be hard to
miss.
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Especially because they often have over
-the -top names and packaging involving
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an animal. For instance, there's Black
Panther, Blue Panther, Black Horse, The
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Goat, Superball, Ramit, Gold Lion, Super
Cheetah, Anaconda, Rhino 8, Rhino
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11, Rhino 69, of course, Rhino 96, Rhino
99, and my personal favourite, Boner
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Bears, which apparently contains a
proprietary Boner Bear blend.
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first series of words and which features
this image which looks like what a
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Beanie baby would see if it walked in on
his parents having sex But boner pills
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actually demonstrate pretty effectively
the extent to which gas station drugs
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can be made by just about anyone and I
do mean anyone It's not like there's a
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single company making all of these dick
pills and filling them with drugs
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What actually happens is that the empty
packaging for many of the most common
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sexual enhancement supplements gets
purchased online from China.
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Then, the packages get filled by an
unknown number of entities.
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Finally, the pills show up in stores
around the country. To show how easy it
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to get into the dick pill business, we
ordered a sample of empty rhino
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from Alibaba.
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Now, if we wanted to, we could fill them
with oregano, or pop rocks, or dirt.
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We could also fill the pills with
natural herbal supplements, as the
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advertise, or pharmaceuticals, both of
which are sold on Alibaba.
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Yeah, that's not ideal, is it? You don't
want a pill's ingredients to be
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essentially Delu's choice.
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And you would never tolerate that level
of variance in other products. You would
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be justifiably annoyed if it turned out
that some Cadbury cream eggs were filled
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with marinara sauce.
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Instead of what they're supposed to be
filled with, the Easter Bunny's thick,
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thick cum.
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And if you thought that clip was
exaggerating, just watch what happened
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they bought what looks like the same
pill from two different stores right
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in New York.
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The packaging on these products was
exactly the same. But when we opened the
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pills, it was evident there was
inconsistency between the contents,
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textures.
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Yet those two powders are clearly very
different. One just looks like sand,
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while the other looks more like cremated
Snoopy. And obviously, I hope it's not
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that.
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Unless that is, Snoopy's will
specifically directed his heirs to shove
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remains into a gas station dick pill, in
which case, I'm thankful his final wish
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was fulfilled.
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Woodstock, may his memory be a blessing.
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The point is...
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These pills could contain literally
anything, including, as they just said,
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actual pharmaceutical ingredients,
though importantly, not necessarily in
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careful or consistent dosages.
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Some rhino pills have been shown to
contain sildenafil.
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and Tadalafil, the respective active
ingredients in Viagra and Cialis, and
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sometimes at extremely high doses, which
isn't good, given that both drugs can
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lower blood pressure to dangerous
levels, particularly if they interact
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other medications.
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So, someone who can't get Cialis from
their doctor for good reason...
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might turn to these supplements without
knowing they're about to get a megadose
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of it.
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One pill was found to contain 14 times
the amount of active ingredient
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in a Cialis pill. Meanwhile, others were
found to include dyes and filler, like
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blue printer ink and drywall. So, on one
hand, these pills could end up
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poisoning you, but on the other, if your
printer runs out of blue ink, just jam
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a few boner pills in the cartridge and
you can finish printing off your Smurf
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porn.
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And because the FDA is basically
powerless before
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a problem emerges, the main
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action it often takes is to simply offer
public warning to avoid certain
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products. That is why you can come
across an official FDA release like this
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which reads, FDA continues to advise
consumers not to purchase or use schwing
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products.
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Which is embarrassing enough, even
before you realise that the release
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this image of the packaging, featuring
the brand's mascot, seen here answering
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the question, what if Alfred E. Newman
got heavily into gooning?
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The FDA's also publicly warned against,
and these are all real, my steel woody,
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willy -go -wild, big penis, Australia
kangaroo essence, strong horses, bull's
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genital, and bigger, longer, more time,
more sperms, which is just...
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Immaculate. AMC, please bring back Mad
Men, because I so badly want to see an
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entire episode about Don Draper pitching
a bigger, longer, more time, more sperm
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ad campaign.
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It's not a dick pill.
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It's a carousel.
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What I'm saying is, these pills can be
subject to far less oversight and be
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more dangerous than you would reasonably
hope. And that is also true of the next
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product that we're going to be looking
at tonight, Kratom.
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It's made from the leaves of the kratom
tree in Southeast Asia. In its natural
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form and smaller doses, it's generally
considered safe and acts as a stimulant.
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But in higher doses, it becomes more of
a sedative with addictive opioid -like
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properties. Kratom has become
increasingly popular with millions of
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estimated to use it nationwide.
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And it speaks to its growing popularity.
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That at trade shows for smoke shops,
kratom companies will happily brag about
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their expansion plans.
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This show is huge for Kratom now. We
just got into edibles and some drinks
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things like that.
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Jelly 708 Botanicals is our newest line
of Kratom gummies. I'm with this
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company, Hydroxy. We're a single
alkaloid Kratom extract company. And
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going to be the strongest, most purest
on the market right now.
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We're the first extract enhanced powder
and capital on the market.
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We wanted to be a soccer mom brand, you
know, just to get your energy in the
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morning instead of something else. You
know what I mean?
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Yeah, I do know what you mean, bro.
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And I've got to say, there's a lot that
is off -putting there, from the way
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Colby here talks about soccer moms, to
this guy being so wet, to these
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unappealing flavors of Kratom on
display, including fresh grape, mocha
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and Dave's brew.
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If your product is referring to Dave,
and I don't know who the fuck Dave is,
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not feeling inherently confident in it.
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Kratom products are usually marketed as
an energy booster, a mood lifter, or a
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pain reducer. But there are a number of
potential problems.
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Starting with the fact that because many
states have no requirement for
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labelling when it comes to these
products, it can be hard to know exactly
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you are buying.
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When the Tampa Bay Times ran an
investigation on Kratom, they tested 20
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products. And while some came in proper
packaging, like these, others, like this
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one, labelled train wreck, were just
powder in a bag.
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And if you think train wreck... looks
alarming, may I introduce you to red.
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Just red.
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A bag of something with the word red
sharpied on it.
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The Times found that of the products
they tested, five had no information
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ingredients, 11 had no dosing
instructions, and 13 had no details
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which probably shouldn't be that
surprising given, again, one of those
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was a bag of something called red.
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And the thing is, even when products are
packaged and have dosing information,
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the packaging itself
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may not encourage proper usage, as this
expert points out.
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Can you read this label here?
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So at the very bottom it says to not
consume more than one -third of that
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within a 24 -hour period.
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But it's sold as a shot.
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Right!
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And that's clearly a problem, because
everybody knows a bottle's type dictates
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how you drink its content. If it's in a
tiny shot bottle, you drink it all at
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once. If it's in a big tall bottle, you
pour it into a glass. And if it's in a
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Bud Light lime bottle, you throw it
directly into the trash. These are the
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rules of beverage consumption.
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We even found one praise and derive
product that claims a single tablet
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eight servings, meaning you'd have to
break it into eight pieces, even though
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it's only scored into four.
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And the thing is, because these products
can seem low -risk, people can feel way
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too comfortable taking much more than
the recommended dose.
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Just listen to this exchange that Joe
Rogan had with a guest.
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I was on this discussion about Kratom.
Are you familiar with this? I'm on it
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right now. Oh, wow.
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Yeah, I just took some. I fucked my knee
up the other day. I did something, and
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it's been...
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stiff and painful so i iced it before i
came here and then i just took uh took
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six of them see what happens wow ten
once now i get why people might think
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a drug what is the drug yeah for sure
but when i took four i was like well i
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took two for the first time i took it i
took two and a couple times i took two
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and this is like a mild stimulant but
then when you get into the range of
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to ten pills it's like oh this this will
fuck you up
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The stuff I take is Urban Ice Organics,
and, um... See, it
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says... It says take two.
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Joe!
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Joey!
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Josephine!
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What the fuck are you doing?
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You didn't even know the name of the
pill or how many you were supposed to
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What did you know?
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The main knowledge you had about those
pills before taking them was that they
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were pills.
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And that was apparently enough for you
to happily toss half a dozen of them
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back. But it really is worth knowing
exactly what you're ingesting and the
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potential dangers because the truth is
Kratom products can be addictive, as
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woman found.
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Amy has been addicted to Kratom for
nearly a decade and she didn't buy it
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dealer or off the street.
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Instead, she got these tiny bottles of
Kratom extract known as K -Shots.
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from a place many of you frequent every
day.
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I worked in the gas station behind my
house, trying not to take opiates
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opiates are bad, and it was in a little
display right beside me. 90 % of my
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money goes to this.
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The average price of Kratom is around
$15 to $25 per bottle or for the two
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of pills.
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Amy admits she spent more than $100 ,000
in one year on this substance.
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If you think about it, that is the price
of four Honda Civic LX sedans or a high
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-end RV.
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I mean, yeah, I guess that is true.
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But it's also a pretty strange way to
illustrate the purchasing power of $100
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,000.
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Because you don't expect the takeaway
from that story to be, if this woman
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wasn't addicted to Kratom, she'd be
rolling in Honda Civics right now.
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What's her voice worth?
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I don't need the news to tell me the
price of high -end recreational
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I'm well aware of the cost, and so, by
the way, is Charles Thomas.
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Now, a key reason some Kratom products
have the potential for addiction is
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because certain components of the Kratom
plant, like mitragynine, interact with
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the same receptors in your brain as
opioids.
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And while there is mitragynine in Kratom
in its natural state, some
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manufacturers will concentrate it.
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in their products and others will go
even further by synthesizing a compound
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from kratom called 7 -hydroxybitragynin
or 7 -oh it's a substance that
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researchers have found binds to the
opioid receptors at least seven times
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stronger than morphine as one researcher
put it the difference between natural
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kratom and 7 -oh is like the difference
between drinking a miller light versus
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drinking 12 ounces of everclear some
products have now even ditched the word
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Kratom completely and just put 70H front
and center. And sales have exploded.
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Here's the head of one company who
expanded from CBD products to 70H,
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at just how quickly his new product line
took off.
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I've truly never seen a product with the
type of sales as fast.
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You know, we had a 10 -year lead with
Kansas products, and I've just never
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anything move like this.
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Yeah,
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it turns out 708 products are as popular
as that man's shirt is, distractingly
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red.
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That is Vince Saunders, one of 7 -0 -H's
loudest proponents. Fun fact, he was
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once a car salesman slash large -scale
illegal marijuana dealer. And even
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fact, after he was arrested in 2000, his
attorney argued in court to void his
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prison term, citing, among other things,
the tax revenue lost from having the
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number one accurate salesman in the US
behind bars.
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And I shouldn't go to prison because I'm
America's number one accurate salesman
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might be the saddest sentence of all
time.
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Aside from, I shouldn't go to prison
because I'm America's number two agro
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-salesman. And while some manufacturers
position their products as pain
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relievers, or even as an off -ramp for
people from more dangerous drugs, just
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many seem to market them with a knowing
wink to consumers about their similarity
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to illicit substances. There is Dopium,
which is pretty on the nose, but also
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Opia and Perks and Bars, as well as
Roxy, Droxy and Moxie.
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And the addictive nature of these
products can be especially rough for
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like this woman, who'd already been
through an opioid addiction and thought
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-0 -H that she found something safe.
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This month, Madison McManus found
herself in a place she never wanted to
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again, drug rehab.
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Really disappointed in myself. I didn't
think that I would be there again.
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Yeah, it was really hard, you know,
lying in the detox for, I think, three
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just catatonic.
420
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,120
My body was just... I mean, everything
was on fire at her. I just didn't want
421
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:50,939
do it anymore.
422
00:25:50,940 --> 00:25:56,080
She was six and a half years clean from
heroin when a friend suggested she try 7
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00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,280
-0 to help with anxiety.
424
00:25:58,060 --> 00:25:59,240
Products like these.
425
00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:04,100
As soon as I took that 7 -0, it was like
taking heroin again for the first time.
426
00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:09,620
Wow. It was like taking heroin. Look,
you expect people to say that about
427
00:26:09,620 --> 00:26:13,000
things like fentanyl or watching a
Halloween dog parade or...
428
00:26:13,690 --> 00:26:17,330
Getting the push alert that Henry
Kissinger died. Inject that straight
429
00:26:17,330 --> 00:26:19,590
veins until I happily die.
430
00:26:19,790 --> 00:26:24,390
But what about taking a drug that's
readily available at gas station
431
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:28,870
stores? In working on this story, we've
seen so many clips of people talking
432
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:32,990
about how hard it is to quit these
products. Yet, some in this industry
433
00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:36,890
to direct people away from those
examples and instead tell them to focus
434
00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:40,650
positive. Like this guy in Mississippi
whose business is called Dr. Kratom.
435
00:26:40,940 --> 00:26:43,880
If you Google kratom and you Google what
are the downfalls, what are the
436
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,520
negative effects of kratom, that's what
you're going to get is the downfalls and
437
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,560
the negative effects of kratom.
438
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:51,460
If you Google what are the pros and the
positives and the good points of kratom,
439
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:53,980
that's what you're going to get. You've
got to learn how to Google.
440
00:26:54,940 --> 00:26:57,660
Google non -biasedly and you'll get the
truth.
441
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,420
Sure, but, you know, you could also say
that about anything, right?
442
00:27:03,860 --> 00:27:07,080
If you Google what are the good points
of mountain lion attacks...
443
00:27:07,530 --> 00:27:11,090
You might find some upsides to getting
mauled by a mountain lion, though the
444
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:14,790
results may also be from websites
secretly made by mountain lions.
445
00:27:15,310 --> 00:27:18,570
And then you're really just getting the
mountain lion's version of the truth.
446
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:23,500
But the thing is, if you don't just rely
on how you Google, troubling patterns
447
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:24,620
do begin to emerge.
448
00:27:24,940 --> 00:27:27,580
When the Washington Post went through
government statistics, it found that in
449
00:27:27,580 --> 00:27:31,340
recent three -year span, medical
examiners and coroners had listed kratom
450
00:27:31,340 --> 00:27:36,660
contributing to or causing at least 4
,100 deaths in 44 states and D .C. Now,
451
00:27:36,660 --> 00:27:41,780
be fair, most cases did involve other
substances, but kratom was listed as the
452
00:27:41,780 --> 00:27:46,360
sole substance causing death in 182 of
those cases, and there is every chance
453
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:47,360
that that is an undercount.
454
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:51,330
given these substances are new enough
that death investigations don't always
455
00:27:51,330 --> 00:27:53,590
test for or detect Kratom or 7 -OH.
456
00:27:53,850 --> 00:27:59,490
The fact is, despite how ubiquitous
these products are, they really haven't
457
00:27:59,490 --> 00:28:03,590
tested properly for safety, as the
former number one Acura salesman in the
458
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:05,570
country readily admits.
459
00:28:06,190 --> 00:28:11,790
So 7 -OH hasn't had any human trials for
regulations or anything like that? That
460
00:28:11,790 --> 00:28:12,409
is correct.
461
00:28:12,410 --> 00:28:16,250
Yeah, I mean, the human trials have been
people choosing to use it.
462
00:28:16,550 --> 00:28:21,910
Look. Look, I hate to second -guess that
man. I'm afraid of the impact it would
463
00:28:21,910 --> 00:28:26,190
have on the global economy. But that's
not how human trials work.
464
00:28:26,590 --> 00:28:29,690
That's just selling people shit, then
seeing what happens.
465
00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:34,730
And what happened in his case is that
the Missouri AG has sued his company for
466
00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:37,310
deceptively marketing 708 and Kratom as
safe products.
467
00:28:37,770 --> 00:28:40,790
Incidentally, during that investigation,
it was noted his company had recalled
468
00:28:40,790 --> 00:28:45,670
more than 3 million pills after a bottle
of tablet that were marketed as
469
00:28:45,670 --> 00:28:49,790
containing 7 .5 milligrams of 7 -OH
turned out to contain around...
470
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,120
34 milligrams.
471
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,260
Over four times as much. And while
apparently, I have to tell you, the
472
00:28:56,260 --> 00:29:00,420
has said it makes substantial efforts to
ensure its products are safe and
473
00:29:00,420 --> 00:29:04,720
reliable and that this appears to have
been an isolated outlier. First, I think
474
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,100
we might disagree on what the word
substantial means.
475
00:29:07,420 --> 00:29:12,460
And that statement appears much less
reassuring to me than I think they want
476
00:29:12,460 --> 00:29:13,339
to sound.
477
00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:17,660
Especially given 34 milligrams is more
than double the maximum recommended
478
00:29:17,660 --> 00:29:19,040
dosage on the package.
479
00:29:19,690 --> 00:29:24,490
And double the maximum dosage is one of
the more alarming reasons for a recall.
480
00:29:24,530 --> 00:29:28,430
It's right up there with, it's actually
horse meat and sometimes it just
481
00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:32,330
explodes. Oh shit, oh shit, another
one's gone. Oh, you know what?
482
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:34,770
I'm sure it's fine. Elon's a genius.
483
00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:40,650
Now, I should say, some states are
taking action. For example, as of
484
00:29:40,810 --> 00:29:45,050
all of these had some form of regulation
on 708 or Kratom, ranging from age
485
00:29:45,050 --> 00:29:48,190
restrictions and labelling requirements
to outright bans.
486
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,180
I admit, this is complicated.
487
00:29:51,780 --> 00:29:55,540
Because first, as we've talked about
multiple times before on this show, in
488
00:29:55,540 --> 00:29:59,900
general, full -on prohibition and
criminalisation just isn't great drug
489
00:30:00,220 --> 00:30:04,360
And second, when it comes to this
particular industry, whenever one drug
490
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,720
banned, another can quickly take its
place. All of which brings us to our
491
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,620
type of gas station drug, T -Neptine.
Remember that guy you saw earlier with
492
00:30:12,620 --> 00:30:14,160
big pile of bottles?
493
00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:15,680
Those weren't Kratom.
494
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,720
He'd already kicked an addiction to that
after his state banned it, only for him
495
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,320
to then get hooked on TNFD.
496
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,880
It's actually sold as a pharmaceutical
in Europe as an antidepressant, but has
497
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,120
not been approved by the FDA for any
medical use here.
498
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,620
Instead, it's been marketed as a
nootropic or cognitive enhancer in
499
00:30:33,620 --> 00:30:38,820
like Neptune's Fix, Zaza, and Piana. And
I will say, it is not a great sign that
500
00:30:38,820 --> 00:30:41,640
TNFD quickly picked up this catchy
nickname.
501
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:47,280
You can find it online at convenience
stores, even gas stations. But experts
502
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,420
sounding the alarm, calling what's in
these bottles and pills gas station
503
00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:57,540
heroin. Yeah, gas station heroin. And I
know on its face, that sounds like the
504
00:30:57,540 --> 00:31:02,340
title of a pretty good Lana Del Rey
song, but it's also a real nickname for
505
00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:06,040
widely available drug that can be
incredibly dangerous. Because TNFD has
506
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,900
linked to hundreds of reports of harm,
including overdoses and death.
507
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,940
Alabama actually banned it.
508
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,740
a few years ago, but in true whack -a
-mole style, a similar product called
509
00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:19,680
Frenzy quickly replaced it on shelves,
with at least one store there even
510
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,960
labelling it as From the Maker of Tiana.
511
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,220
And even when states pass laws, the
truth is they don't always get well
512
00:31:26,220 --> 00:31:30,320
enforced, meaning that TNeptine still
wound up sitting on shelves for people
513
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,840
buy. And that has led to some tragic
outcomes, like this story from a few
514
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:35,840
ago in Ohio.
515
00:31:35,950 --> 00:31:40,310
It was at this Midwestern gas station
that Chris Hagerty bought a bottle of
516
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:45,350
Neptune's Fix, even though the product
contained PNeptine banned a year earlier
517
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:46,430
by the state of Ohio.
518
00:31:47,290 --> 00:31:49,750
I miss him dearly.
519
00:31:50,130 --> 00:31:54,870
In an interview with the I -Team almost
four months ago, Hagerty's mother billed
520
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:57,390
gas station heroin as death in a bottle.
521
00:31:57,690 --> 00:31:59,270
Fifteen dollars a bottle.
522
00:31:59,530 --> 00:32:01,070
How many people bought it?
523
00:32:01,580 --> 00:32:07,660
Besides my son, it was for sale at the
gas station, just right next to the
524
00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:09,420
lottery tickets and the cigarettes.
525
00:32:09,980 --> 00:32:14,220
Yeah, that is terrible. And it is hard
to believe that something so immediately
526
00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:17,840
dangerous could be sold at the gas
station next to lottery tickets.
527
00:32:18,140 --> 00:32:21,580
It would be like finding out that
PetSmart sells hand grenades next to the
528
00:32:21,580 --> 00:32:24,260
hamsters. Come on, PetSmart!
529
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,700
You know everyone always swings by the
hamsters. You're getting people at their
530
00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:29,720
weakest point.
531
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,160
And frustratingly, behind closed doors,
some in this industry seem well aware
532
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,080
that the products they're selling can be
dangerous. The reason that I know that
533
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,840
is that one of our producers actually
went to a trade show, like the one you
534
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,380
earlier, and to answer your first
question, yeah, of course she saw a
535
00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:48,980
-themed Cybertruck in the parking lot.
Of course she saw that. You could
536
00:32:48,980 --> 00:32:52,640
practically hear the Limp Bizkit music
wafting out of it.
537
00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:56,060
The whole convention was honestly a
pretty good glimpse.
538
00:32:56,460 --> 00:32:59,300
into an industry clearly already
planning for what comes next.
539
00:32:59,580 --> 00:33:03,280
A lot of vendors seemed ready for 7 -OH
to be banned as they were already
540
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,540
marketing newer products like this one,
whose marketing material said, the
541
00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:10,760
future of Kratom, compliant in all
Kratom legal states, seven hydroxy
542
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,860
replacement, three to four times
stronger than 7 -OH.
543
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,920
She also spoke to a rep from a
distribution company that sells boner
544
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,620
got surprisingly honest about the fact
that while some of their products are
545
00:33:21,620 --> 00:33:24,200
kind of bullshit, others could be
actively dangerous.
546
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,400
Take a listen.
547
00:33:41,170 --> 00:33:42,170
Wow.
548
00:33:42,670 --> 00:33:46,050
I wouldn't advise selling these to
people over 50.
549
00:33:46,450 --> 00:33:50,710
That is a reasonable thing to say if
you're selling tickets to an Olivia
550
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:51,710
concert.
551
00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:55,370
But not when you're talking about your
company's unregulated dick pills. And it
552
00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:59,490
does feel like don't consume if you're
over 50 is the kind of thing that
553
00:33:59,490 --> 00:34:02,870
shouldn't be whispered at trade shows,
but slapped in massive lettering on your
554
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:07,730
packaging. This is a photo of that man's
table. And these are some of the pills
555
00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:10,070
that he told us were super potent.
They're called Mr.
556
00:34:10,290 --> 00:34:11,009
Bull tablets.
557
00:34:11,010 --> 00:34:13,090
And their tagline is, do it like pro.
558
00:34:13,610 --> 00:34:18,690
So we actually ordered some and sent
them to this lab to be analysed. And
559
00:34:18,690 --> 00:34:22,389
found that when that guy said the pills
were super potent, he wasn't lying.
560
00:34:22,590 --> 00:34:26,889
Because each contained 180 milligrams of
dipoxetine. That's three to six times
561
00:34:26,889 --> 00:34:30,590
the prescription dose of a drug for
premature ejaculation that's not been
562
00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:35,710
approved for use here in the US. And
they contained 270 milligrams of
563
00:34:35,710 --> 00:34:40,150
sildenafil, the active ingredient in
Viagra. That's nearly three times the
564
00:34:40,150 --> 00:34:42,810
maximum prescription dose. That is a
lot.
565
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,360
And worryingly, none of those
ingredients were listed on the package,
566
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,820
instead claimed it's an all -natural
herbal supplement containing stuff like
567
00:34:50,820 --> 00:34:53,800
cinnamon bark, licorice, and deer root.
568
00:34:54,179 --> 00:34:57,800
All of which just sounds like the
ingredients on sleepy thyme tea.
569
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,980
And there is a reason that the sleepy
bear isn't rocking a massive hard -on on
570
00:35:02,980 --> 00:35:03,980
that package.
571
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,460
So, what do we do?
572
00:35:07,340 --> 00:35:11,360
Well, first, take care of it, but also,
RFK.
573
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:15,510
And his FDA director. I've actually been
talking about the dangers of some of
574
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:18,070
these products, which I guess is good.
575
00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:22,290
I do worry RFK is either going to say
they cause autism or suggest they
576
00:35:22,290 --> 00:35:26,370
be replaced with ground -up raccoon
carcass. But still, it's something.
577
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:30,910
Unfortunately, though, any good moves
that they take are likely to be
578
00:35:30,910 --> 00:35:34,130
by the fact that they've gutted the FDA,
which, even before they came along,
579
00:35:34,190 --> 00:35:35,710
wasn't exactly well -staffed.
580
00:35:36,010 --> 00:35:39,290
Meanwhile, some states are taking a more
proactive approach. Missouri's AG, for
581
00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:42,390
instance, has launched an investigation
into major crater manufacturers and
582
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:44,870
retailers for potentially dangerous and
illegal practices.
583
00:35:45,090 --> 00:35:49,850
That is how they came to be suing this
guy. Although it shows how slippery this
584
00:35:49,850 --> 00:35:54,930
industry is that he said that if 708 is
banned, his company already has another
585
00:35:54,930 --> 00:36:00,250
product ready to replace it. Look,
something clearly has to be done with
586
00:36:00,250 --> 00:36:03,110
industry, but the key thing is to do it
very carefully.
587
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,760
Because in the case of products
containing Kratom, 70H and T -Neptine, a
588
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,000
people have now become dependent on
them.
589
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:14,600
And one thing I want to be absolutely
clear about is, if states are going to
590
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,260
start banning some of these drugs, that
should only happen alongside a plan to
591
00:36:18,260 --> 00:36:22,160
help people who cannot suddenly stop
using them. Whether it's because they're
592
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,920
using them to treat pain, or because
they've become addicted.
593
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,320
Because if we learned one thing from the
opioid crisis, it's that every family
594
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,660
fortune is built on the blood of
strangers. But if we learned...
595
00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:37,840
Two things is that when you take
something very strong off the market,
596
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,780
everyone can just quit cold turkey.
597
00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:45,040
So there has to be a harm reduction plan
to go alongside any potential ban. And
598
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,220
I know there are plenty of substances
out there that are addictive or
599
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:53,760
Alcohol, tobacco, prescription drugs.
But with those things, we've tried over
600
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,160
the years, and not always perfectly, to
match the level of regulation around
601
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,440
them to the level of risks they present.
602
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,920
to make sure that at the very least you
know what you're getting and what risks
603
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,180
you're taking when you choose to consume
them. What we haven't done, though, is
604
00:37:08,180 --> 00:37:11,640
let it be a total free -for -all where
companies can just sell whatever they
605
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,800
want to anyone who wants it and lie
about what it contains.
606
00:37:15,180 --> 00:37:19,100
And unfortunately, right now, it's
become incumbent upon all of us to make
607
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:22,640
ourselves aware of the potential dangers
here, because these products can be
608
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,560
much more addictive than you think, more
powerful than you may even want them to
609
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,100
be, and contain things you did not sign
up for.
610
00:37:29,550 --> 00:37:35,690
So if I may quote Joe Rogan, something I
really don't love to do, it's crucial
611
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:38,950
to know that this stuff could, in his
words, fuck you up.
612
00:37:39,570 --> 00:37:44,550
But unlike Joe Rogan, it's just as
crucial to not then swallow ten of them.
613
00:37:45,450 --> 00:37:49,290
Because while gas station drugs may look
fun and low -risk, especially when
614
00:37:49,290 --> 00:37:53,350
they're sold in familiar environments,
the truth is you could easily wind up
615
00:37:53,350 --> 00:37:57,330
addicted and losing tens of Honda Civics
worth of money to them.
616
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,140
Or indeed, far, far worse. And now,
this.
617
00:38:01,820 --> 00:38:05,700
And now, coming up on Inside Edition.
618
00:38:06,180 --> 00:38:08,400
Next, Grammy gamers.
619
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:09,960
Give me the kill shot.
620
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,020
And Gator face -off. No.
621
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,380
What? Worst birth pit ever?
622
00:38:18,020 --> 00:38:22,900
And identical triplets. They do
everything together.
623
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:30,340
including hair transplant, plus
bickering on Kiss Cam, plus underground
624
00:38:30,340 --> 00:38:37,220
serenade by the guy they call the Sewer
Singer, plus attacked by
625
00:38:37,220 --> 00:38:43,320
a giant crab on live TV, and... Jessica,
what's so magical about the name
626
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,260
Jessica that instantly brings temper
tantrums to a halt?
627
00:38:47,580 --> 00:38:52,220
Next, what are all these people in white
hazmat suits doing? And is that a
628
00:38:52,220 --> 00:38:54,440
former star from TV's Baywatch?
629
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:59,960
And the greatest kitchen hacks of all
time. Then, agony of defeat.
630
00:39:00,580 --> 00:39:03,660
Selena Gomez's husband's dirty feet
drama.
631
00:39:03,980 --> 00:39:05,980
And this can't end well.
632
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,280
That's our show. Thanks so much for
watching. We'll see you next week. Good
633
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,280
night.
634
00:39:16,510 --> 00:39:17,510
Tell everybody the headlines.
635
00:39:18,010 --> 00:39:20,390
There's a storm strike.
636
00:39:21,730 --> 00:39:23,650
Then, please be careful.
637
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:28,350
Hot. Then, that's so cool. Cool. Cool
air is cool?
638
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:33,010
Yeah. Are you going to come back and do
this at 10 o 'clock here tonight?
639
00:39:33,830 --> 00:39:35,910
You're having so much fun, we're going
to do this at 10?
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00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:38,230
Probably not.
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