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So, Kathy, the Prime Minister saw fit to invite one into the Cabinet
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and, well, here one is.
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Isn't it a terrific responsibility?
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I suppose, if one chooses to dedicate one's life to public service,
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responsibility is something one accepts.
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But all this power! I know, I know!
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Frightening sometimes. But it also makes one very humble.
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Sits at the Cabinet table, Number 10 Downing Street and realises
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Bernard rang, O humble one.
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Central House want you to watch a programme on BBC2.
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Maureen Watkins, MP. One of the backbench MPs.
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A rampaging feminist. I wont bother. Don't write that down.
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I like her. Don't you think that women are still the exploited sex?
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All of us in 5B think that women are exploited at work and at home
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it's a world designed and run by men for men's convenience.
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Like SHE says. Not any longer, surely?
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She doesn't carry any weight in the House. No, it's full of men.
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Thank you. Anything else you'd like to ask? Just one last question.
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As a minister, what have you personally achieved?
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Achieved? Oh, well, all sorts of things.
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Membership of the Privy Council, the Party Policy Committee...
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No, things you've done that makes life better for other people.
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Makes life better? Yes.
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For other people? There must be a number of things.
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That's what one's job is all about. 18 hours a day, 7 days a week.
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Could you give me examples?
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Makes it a bit boring otherwise. Examples.
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Where to start. So much of government is collective decisions.
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All of us together, best minds in the country, hammering it out.
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But what will you look back on afterwards and say "I did that. "
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You know, like a writer can look at his books.
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Government is a complex business people have to have their say.
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Take time. Rome wasn't built in a day. Is that the time?
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I really must be getting my boxes. Excuse me.
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Oh, thank you. Thank you so much.
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Such fun this little talk. Let me approve the article, as we agreed?
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Bye. Bye.
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Bright kid.
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Last interview for a school magazine. She asked difficult questions.
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She assumed there was some moral basis to your activities.
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Well, there is. Oh, Jim, don't be silly!
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What are you sighing for?
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I'm not sighing.
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Out with it. Well, what have I achieved? She's right.
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It really does make you humble! I can't get any bills through.
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The time's taken up for the next two years. Reform the Civil Service.
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Impossible. Catch 22. Why?
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I suggested 50 terrific reforms, who would have to implement them?
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The Civil Service.
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All right, I tell you what.
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Not 50 reforms, just one.
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Huh! What?
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If you achieve one import reform, that'd be something.
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Get me in the record books! What do you suggest?
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Make them put more women into top jobs.
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Half the population Should be half the Permanent Secretaries.
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How many women are there at the top? Not many.
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Equal opportunities.
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I'll have a go. After all, there's a principle at stake.
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You're going to do something out of pure principle?
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Yes. Oh, Jim.
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Principles are excellent vote winners.
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We don't have to do anything? No. Paragraphs 1 and 2 are wrong.
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And all the other points are covered.
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I don't have to make a decision. I don't even have to apologise.
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Can you do a reply for me? Done it.
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Fantastic. Why don't they make more Under-Secretaries like you?
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Anything else, Minister? No.
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How many women are there at the top of the Civil Service?
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No Permanent Secretaries. Four out of 150 Deputy Secretaries.
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What about your grade? Under-Secretary? There are 27 of us.
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Doesn't sound too bad. Out of how many? 578.
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But that's appalling! Aren't you appalled? I find it comic.
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But then I find most of the Civil Service comic. It's run by men
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What can you? What can I do?
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Are you serious, Minister? Yes.
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Bring top women from the professions, Straight into the top grades.
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The pay is good for women. You'd get high-quality applicants.
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And they could do the job? Of course.
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With respect, if you can make a journalist MP into a minister,
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why not make a partner from a legal firm into an Under-Secretary?
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Most of the work here only needs about two O-levels, anyway.
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Good point. Sarah, thank you very much. Thank you, Minister.
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You rang, Minister? Bernard, Sarah told...
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Yes, Minister? I wish you'd call me Jim when we're alone.
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Oh, I'll try to remember that, Minister.
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Sarah tells me this complaint is nonsense.
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Oh, fine. So we can CGSM it. CGSM?
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Civil service code. Consignment of Geriatric Shoe Manufacturers.
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Load of old cobblers, Minister.
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I shall use my own code. I shall write "round objects".
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Ah, Minister, you wanted a word about staffing?
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Yes, Humphrey. Morning, Bernard.
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I've made a policy decision.
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I'm going to change the number of women in the Civil Service.
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Surely there aren't all that many.
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That's my point. The Minister thinks we need more.
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Many more. More?
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We're up to establishment on typists and tea ladies. Any ideas?
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Short on temporary secretaries. I'm talking Permanent Secretaries.
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Permanent... We need female mandarins.
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Sort of satsumas, Minister.
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Sit down, will you, Bernard.
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How many Permanent Secretaries are there? 41, I believe.
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And how many of those are women? Well, broadly speaking...
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Not having the figures to hand, I'm not sure.
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Approximately. Approximately... none.
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There are about 150 Deputy Secretaries. How many are women?
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Well, it's difficult to say. Why?
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There's a lot of old women among the men.
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Four. Are there really?
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A quota of 25% women Deputy and Permanent Secretaries
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to be achieved in four years.
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Wait. I'm obviously in total sympathy with your objectives.
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Obviously. Of course we must have more women.
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Of course! We are deeply concerned by this apparent imbalance,
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but these things take time.
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I want to make a start straight away. I agree.
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I propose we setting up an inter-departmental committee...
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No, no, no. That's not what I meant and you know it.
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This needs a sledgehammer. We must cut through the red tape.
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You can't cut tape with a sledgehammer... You know what I mean.
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You do me an injustice. I was not about to suggest delays.
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Oh, sorry. That's all right.
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I suggest that, if we are to have 25% quota,
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Larger intake at the stage so there'll be 25% in the top jobs.
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When? In 25 years.
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No, Humphrey, you haven't quite got my drift. I mean NOW.
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Oh... you mean, NOW? Got it in one, Humphrey.
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It takes time to do things NOW.
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3 articles of Civil Service: takes longer to do things quickly;
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more expensive to do them cheaply, more democratic in secret.
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I have suggested four years. Masses of time.
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Oh, dear me, no!
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I don't mean political time, I mean real time.
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Civil servants are grown like oak trees, not mustard and cress.
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They bloom and ripen with the seasons, they mature like...
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Like yourself. Well, I was about to say like an old port.
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Like Grimsby, perhaps.
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Yes, I was being serious, Minister. I foresaw this problem.
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By bringing in top women from outside the service
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to fill vacancies in the top jobs.
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I...
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I don't think I quite understood. Watch my mouth, Humphrey.
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We will bring in women from outside.
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But the strength is that it is unsullied by outside influences.
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People move jobs. Why should the Civil Service be different?
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It IS different. It demands subtlety.
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Discretion. Devotion to duty.
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Soundness. Soundness! Well said, Bernard!
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Endless patience and boundless understanding.
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They need to be able to change horses mid-stream,
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as politicians change what they call their minds.
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You have these talents? Well, it is just that one's been properly
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Matured. Like Grimsby. Trained.
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Ask yourself if there isn't something wrong with the system.
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Why are there so few women? They keep leaving to have babies.
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At nearly 50? Surely not. I don't know. I'm on your side.
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We do need more women at the top. I'm not waiting 25 years.
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There's a vacancy for Deputy Secretary here. Ye-es.
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I shall appoint a woman. Sarah Harrison. Sarah Harrison?!
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I think she's very able? Very.
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For a woman, for a person.
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And she is an original thinker.
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Yes, that's true, but she doesn't let it interfere with her work.
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What have you got against her? Nothing. She's excellent.
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I'm a supporter of hers.
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I advocated her promotion to Under-Secretary at a very early age.
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Would you agree that she is outstanding? Yes.
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So, on balance, it is a good idea? On balance... yes and no.
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That's not a very clear answer. It's a balanced answer.
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The point is she's too young and it's not her turn.
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This is exactly what's wrong with the Civil Service Buggins' turn!
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The best people should be promoted As soon as it's their turn!
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Oh, nonsense! Napoleon ruled Europe when he was in his 30s!
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Alexander conquered the world at 20s They made poor Secretaries.
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They didn't wait their turn! And look what happened to them.
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And look what's happened to us!
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Instead of being run by a lot of young, able, energetic men,
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this country's being run by 55-year-olds who just want a quiet life!
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Had you anyone specific in mind?
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Yes and no, Humphrey.
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Sarah Harrison is an excellent civil servant, a hope for the future,
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but she is our most junior and I will not recommend her promotion.
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I think you're a sexist. Minister, how could you say such a thing?
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I'm very pro-women. Wonderful people, women.
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Sarah is a dear lady. I'm one of her greatest admirers.
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the cause of women must be done with care, tact and discretion.
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She is our only woman for a top job. We mustn't push her too fast.
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Women find top jobs very difficult. Can you hear yourself?
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If they could be good Permanent Secretaries there would be more.
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No... I'm not anti-feminist! I love women!
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Some of my best friends are women!
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Er... my wife, indeed.
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But Sarah is inexperienced and her children are still of school age.
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They might get mumps! You might get shingles!
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Indeed if you continue. What if children caused her to miss work?
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Would she have reached Under-Secretary? She is the best person!
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If you promote women just because they're the best person,
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you will create a lot of resentment throughout the Civil Service!
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Not from the women in it. Well, that hardly matters, does it?
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Hardly matters?
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There are so few of them.
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I've told him women are different, but he can't grasp it.
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They put such strains on a team.
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They react differently. They're so emotional. Not rational like us.
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Hopeless when tell them off. Either into a bate or blubbing.
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If not the sort who blub, they become frightfully hard and butch.
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Not the least bit attractive.
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They're full of prejudices. Make silly generalisations.
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They think in stereotypes. Mmm.
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Arnold, what do you think I should do?
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Lecture him at such length on the matter that he becomes bored
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and loses interest in the idea.
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Yes, might work. Mind you, he doesn't get bored easily.
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He even finds himself interesting. They all do.
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All the ones who listen to what we're saying. Not many of those.
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The standard second ploy is to tell him the unions won't wear it.
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They'd like it. That's beside the point.
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Oh, yes, sorry. What does his wife think about all this?
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I gather she's in favour of itn. In fact, she may be behind it.
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I see. Does she know that Sarah Harrison is rather attractive?
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No, I don't think they've ever met...
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Good idea.
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We must mobilise the Cabinet against this quota nonsense.
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They'll be in favour of it. We can get them to change their minds.
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They change their minds fairly easily. Just like a lot of women!
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Thank God they don't blub!
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Minister, I have come to the conclusion that you were right.
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Are you being serious? Yes, indeed.
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I am now positively against discrimination against women
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In favour of positive discrimination discriminating discrimination
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Yes... I think I've got that.
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The view is, at the very highest level, that this should happen.
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Good. However...
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Problem about the quota. The unions won't wear it.
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Really? Let's have 'em in. We'll talk about it. Er... no, Minister.
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That would... just stir up a hornets' nest. Why?
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Well, if I might suggest... that we be realistic about this.
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By realistic, you mean drop the whole scheme. Oh, dear me, no!
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But, perhaps, a pause to re-group.
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Reassess the situation and discuss alternative strategies.
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A space of time for reflection and deliberation.
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You mean drop the whole scheme.
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No, I've set my hand to the plough, I've made the decision.
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We shall have a 25% quota of women within the next four years
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and, to make a start, I shall appoint Sarah Harrison.
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That is the wrong decision. Principle, Humphrey, principle.
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I'm sure Cabinet will support me. A lot of votes in women's rights.
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Votes? I thought you said it was a matter of principle.
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For ME. I was talking about them.
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Yes?
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Mrs Hacker's here. Send her in.
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Could you sign the letters before you go, Minister?
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Hello. Get Humphrey to give you a drink. Sherry?
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Remember that letter you wrote "round objects" on?
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Sir Humphrey has commented on it.
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What's he say? "Who is Round and to what does he object?"
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Here you are. Your very good health.
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Yes, it's a slow business changing the Civil Service.
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What about promoting this woman Jim was talking about?
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Your husband certainly has an eye for talent, Sarah's very talented.
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Quite delightful, real charmer. Cheers. Really?
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I very much admire this new generation of women civil servants
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compared to the old battle-axes I remember!
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Not all as beautiful as Sarah but they keep their femininity.
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Jim never discussed what she looks like. Perhaps he hasn't noticed.
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I find that hard to believe. He does spend a lot of time with her.
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And even more... if she's promoted. Shall we sit down?
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Gentlemen, my minister is set on creating a quota of 25% women,
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leading to an eventual 50%.
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Parity, I see. Yes. Mm.
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It seems right to me that women be treated fairly and equally.
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I speak for all of us when I say that, in principle,
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there should be such targets set and goals achieved.
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Bill? Well, I'm fully in favour of this idea.
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We must have positive discrimination in favour of women.
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It wouldn't work with the Foreign Office.
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We couldn't post women ambassadors to Iran or Muslim nations.
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No, quite, quite. The Third World is not so advanced as us.
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We have to send diplomats to new postings every three years,
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this idea is obviously not for us, but I do approve the principle.
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Neil? I'm in favour of it.
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I think we need the feminine touch.
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Women are better at handling some problems than men.
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We would have to make an exception in the Home Office.
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Women are not the right people to run prisons or the police.
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Quite probably, they wouldn't want to do it, anyway.
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But you do agree with the principle? Oh, yes, without question.
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Peter? Yes, the same applies to Defence... alas.
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All those admirals and generals.
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It wouldn't be possible to appoint a woman as Head of Security.
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M would have to become F.
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Yes, Defence is clearly a man's world, like Industry and Employment.
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All those trade union leaders!
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But what about the DHSS? John?
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Woman are well represented near the top of the DHSS.
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After all, we have two of the four Deputy Secretaries in Whitehall.
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Not eligible for Permanent Secretary. Deputy Chief Medical Officers.
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I'm not sure they're really suitable. No, that's unfair.
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Women are 80% of our clerical staff and 99% of the typing grades.
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We're not doing too badly. In principle, I'm in favour of it.
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Good, good.
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The feeling of the meeting is, in principle we're all in favour
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of equal rights for the ladies,
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but there are special problems in individual departments.
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Hear hear! What about this question of the quota?
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Frankly, I'm against it. Oh, yes, not on!
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We must have the right to promote the best man for the job,
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regardless of sex.
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Speaking as an ardent feminist myself,
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I think the problem lies in recruiting the right sort of women.
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Married women with families drop out
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because they cannot give their work their full attention.
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Unmarried women with no children
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are not fully-rounded people with a thorough understanding of life.
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It's rarely possible to find a fully-rounded married woman,
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with a home and 3 children, devote her whole life to a department.
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It's Catch 22, really. Well, Catch 22, sub-paragraph A!
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We must ensure that our ministers oppose this quota idea
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by drawing their attention to each department's special problems.
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But we will recommend the principle of equal at every level.
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May I suggest one more thing?
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My minister sees the promotion as creating greater diversity
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at the top of the service.
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Stress to our ministers that there's no more diverse lot than us.
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Absolutely! A real cross-section of the nation.
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Ah, Minister, how was Cabinet?
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Bit odd, actually. Why?
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We were talking about the top jobs quota for women.
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Was it agreed? That's what's so odd.
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Agreed in principle, but said it wouldn't work in their departments.
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They didn't support me at all. Extraordinary.
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And I'm not getting support from Annie.
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Really? What, about this quota? Well, about promoting Sarah.
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You'd think she'd be 100% behind it. Indeed.
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She goes sort of distant when I mention it.
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Dead against it now. Even more extraordinary.
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Oh, well, seems the only thing left.
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Something I can achieve. Yes, indeed.
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Shall I ask Mrs Harrison to come in? Would you be kind enough?
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At least this is something I can say I have done.
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Indeed. Lighting a spark.
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Carrying a torch, even.
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Ah, Sarah, do sit down.
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Thank you. Humphrey.
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There is a vacancy for a Deputy Secretary in this department.
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In spite of you being the most junior Under-Secretary,
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but because you are the outstanding person,
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Sir Humphrey and I have recommend you to Deputy Secretary.
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I... I don't know what to say.
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No need to say anything. A single thank you should suffice.
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No... Well... I mean...
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Oh, gosh. Look, this is awfully embarrassing. I mean...
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I was going to tell you. I'm resigning from the Civil Service.
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What? Resigning?
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Yes, so... thank you, but no, thank you.
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Some problem at home with your children? Mumps?
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No, I'm joining a merchant bank... as a director.
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Sarah... I won't conceal from you the fact that this is a blow.
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The reason Humphrey and I decided to recommend you
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I've been fighting a losing battle to improve promotion for women.
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You were to be my, so to speak, Trojan horse.
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Quite honestly, I want a job where I don't spend endless hours
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Information about subjects don't matter to people aren't interested.
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I want a job where there's achievement rather than merely activity.
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I want to point to something and say "I did that. "
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I don't understand.
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I know. That's why I'm leaving.
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You're not saying the government is unimportant?
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It's just that I haven't met anyone who's doing it.
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Also I've had enough of the pointless intrigue.
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Intrigue? You know the sort of thing.
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Like this women's rights. Your using me as a Trojan horse.
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They probably said the unions wouldn't wear it if you promoted me.
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How did you know that? I didn't. I just know how things are done.
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You don't realise I've fought quite a battle for you.
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Oh, have you? I didn't ask you to fight a battle for me.
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I'm not pleased at being part of a 25% quota.
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Women are not inferior beings and I don't enjoy being patronised.
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You're just as paternalist and chauvinist as the rest of them.
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I'm going somewhere to be accepted an equal, as a person.
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You can't win, can you?
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May I go now? Hm? Yes, of course.
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I'm sorry I offended you, though I can't remember how I did.
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No.
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And thank you. I know you both mean well.
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Women!
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Yes, Minister.
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