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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 2 00:00:42,167 --> 00:00:47,161 So, Kathy, the Prime Minister saw fit to invite one into the Cabinet 3 00:00:47,327 --> 00:00:49,557 and, well, here one is. 4 00:00:49,727 --> 00:00:51,718 Isn't it a terrific responsibility? 5 00:00:52,727 --> 00:00:56,720 I suppose, if one chooses to dedicate one's life to public service, 6 00:00:56,887 --> 00:00:59,321 responsibility is something one accepts. 7 00:00:59,487 --> 00:01:03,275 But all this power! I know, I know! 8 00:01:03,447 --> 00:01:07,440 Frightening sometimes. But it also makes one very humble. 9 00:01:07,607 --> 00:01:12,601 Sits at the Cabinet table, Number 10 Downing Street and realises 10 00:01:12,767 --> 00:01:14,758 Bernard rang, O humble one. 11 00:01:14,927 --> 00:01:18,476 Central House want you to watch a programme on BBC2. 12 00:01:18,647 --> 00:01:22,242 Maureen Watkins, MP. One of the backbench MPs. 13 00:01:22,407 --> 00:01:27,800 A rampaging feminist. I wont bother. Don't write that down. 14 00:01:27,967 --> 00:01:33,360 I like her. Don't you think that women are still the exploited sex? 15 00:01:33,527 --> 00:01:38,282 All of us in 5B think that women are exploited at work and at home 16 00:01:38,447 --> 00:01:43,441 it's a world designed and run by men for men's convenience. 17 00:01:45,247 --> 00:01:48,239 Like SHE says. Not any longer, surely? 18 00:01:48,407 --> 00:01:52,685 She doesn't carry any weight in the House. No, it's full of men. 19 00:01:53,527 --> 00:01:59,124 Thank you. Anything else you'd like to ask? Just one last question. 20 00:01:59,287 --> 00:02:03,803 As a minister, what have you personally achieved? 21 00:02:03,967 --> 00:02:06,686 Achieved? Oh, well, all sorts of things. 22 00:02:06,847 --> 00:02:10,556 Membership of the Privy Council, the Party Policy Committee... 23 00:02:10,727 --> 00:02:14,436 No, things you've done that makes life better for other people. 24 00:02:15,287 --> 00:02:18,006 Makes life better? Yes. 25 00:02:18,167 --> 00:02:21,876 For other people? There must be a number of things. 26 00:02:22,047 --> 00:02:26,598 That's what one's job is all about. 18 hours a day, 7 days a week. 27 00:02:27,887 --> 00:02:29,878 Could you give me examples? 28 00:02:30,047 --> 00:02:33,039 Makes it a bit boring otherwise. Examples. 29 00:02:33,207 --> 00:02:38,201 Where to start. So much of government is collective decisions. 30 00:02:38,367 --> 00:02:43,202 All of us together, best minds in the country, hammering it out. 31 00:02:43,367 --> 00:02:47,519 But what will you look back on afterwards and say "I did that. " 32 00:02:47,687 --> 00:02:51,475 You know, like a writer can look at his books. 33 00:02:51,647 --> 00:02:56,482 Government is a complex business people have to have their say. 34 00:02:56,647 --> 00:03:02,244 Take time. Rome wasn't built in a day. Is that the time? 35 00:03:02,407 --> 00:03:05,877 I really must be getting my boxes. Excuse me. 36 00:03:06,047 --> 00:03:09,039 Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. 37 00:03:09,207 --> 00:03:14,406 Such fun this little talk. Let me approve the article, as we agreed? 38 00:03:14,567 --> 00:03:16,558 Bye. Bye. 39 00:03:22,767 --> 00:03:24,359 Bright kid. 40 00:03:24,527 --> 00:03:29,317 Last interview for a school magazine. She asked difficult questions. 41 00:03:29,487 --> 00:03:34,277 She assumed there was some moral basis to your activities. 42 00:03:34,447 --> 00:03:37,200 Well, there is. Oh, Jim, don't be silly! 43 00:03:40,847 --> 00:03:43,156 What are you sighing for? 44 00:03:43,927 --> 00:03:45,918 I'm not sighing. 45 00:03:49,727 --> 00:03:54,323 Out with it. Well, what have I achieved? She's right. 46 00:03:54,487 --> 00:03:58,196 It really does make you humble! I can't get any bills through. 47 00:03:58,367 --> 00:04:02,565 The time's taken up for the next two years. Reform the Civil Service. 48 00:04:02,727 --> 00:04:04,922 Impossible. Catch 22. Why? 49 00:04:05,087 --> 00:04:10,002 I suggested 50 terrific reforms, who would have to implement them? 50 00:04:10,167 --> 00:04:12,158 The Civil Service. 51 00:04:12,327 --> 00:04:14,636 All right, I tell you what. 52 00:04:14,807 --> 00:04:17,401 Not 50 reforms, just one. 53 00:04:18,087 --> 00:04:19,566 Huh! What? 54 00:04:19,727 --> 00:04:23,117 If you achieve one import reform, that'd be something. 55 00:04:23,287 --> 00:04:26,279 Get me in the record books! What do you suggest? 56 00:04:26,447 --> 00:04:29,120 Make them put more women into top jobs. 57 00:04:29,287 --> 00:04:33,485 Half the population Should be half the Permanent Secretaries. 58 00:04:33,647 --> 00:04:37,640 How many women are there at the top? Not many. 59 00:04:37,807 --> 00:04:40,275 Equal opportunities. 60 00:04:40,447 --> 00:04:45,077 I'll have a go. After all, there's a principle at stake. 61 00:04:45,247 --> 00:04:48,319 You're going to do something out of pure principle? 62 00:04:48,487 --> 00:04:50,364 Yes. Oh, Jim. 63 00:04:50,527 --> 00:04:52,882 Principles are excellent vote winners. 64 00:04:56,687 --> 00:05:00,726 We don't have to do anything? No. Paragraphs 1 and 2 are wrong. 65 00:05:00,887 --> 00:05:03,606 And all the other points are covered. 66 00:05:03,767 --> 00:05:07,760 I don't have to make a decision. I don't even have to apologise. 67 00:05:07,927 --> 00:05:10,646 Can you do a reply for me? Done it. 68 00:05:10,807 --> 00:05:15,198 Fantastic. Why don't they make more Under-Secretaries like you? 69 00:05:15,367 --> 00:05:17,642 Anything else, Minister? No. 70 00:05:17,807 --> 00:05:23,086 How many women are there at the top of the Civil Service? 71 00:05:23,247 --> 00:05:27,081 No Permanent Secretaries. Four out of 150 Deputy Secretaries. 72 00:05:27,247 --> 00:05:30,842 What about your grade? Under-Secretary? There are 27 of us. 73 00:05:31,007 --> 00:05:33,805 Doesn't sound too bad. Out of how many? 578. 74 00:05:35,527 --> 00:05:40,920 But that's appalling! Aren't you appalled? I find it comic. 75 00:05:41,087 --> 00:05:46,844 But then I find most of the Civil Service comic. It's run by men 76 00:05:48,127 --> 00:05:50,687 What can you? What can I do? 77 00:05:50,847 --> 00:05:52,838 Are you serious, Minister? Yes. 78 00:05:53,007 --> 00:05:58,365 Bring top women from the professions, Straight into the top grades. 79 00:05:58,527 --> 00:06:04,682 The pay is good for women. You'd get high-quality applicants. 80 00:06:04,847 --> 00:06:07,680 And they could do the job? Of course. 81 00:06:07,847 --> 00:06:11,681 With respect, if you can make a journalist MP into a minister, 82 00:06:11,847 --> 00:06:16,841 why not make a partner from a legal firm into an Under-Secretary? 83 00:06:17,007 --> 00:06:21,205 Most of the work here only needs about two O-levels, anyway. 84 00:06:22,567 --> 00:06:26,355 Good point. Sarah, thank you very much. Thank you, Minister. 85 00:06:31,447 --> 00:06:34,439 You rang, Minister? Bernard, Sarah told... 86 00:06:34,607 --> 00:06:37,997 Yes, Minister? I wish you'd call me Jim when we're alone. 87 00:06:38,167 --> 00:06:40,965 Oh, I'll try to remember that, Minister. 88 00:06:41,127 --> 00:06:44,199 Sarah tells me this complaint is nonsense. 89 00:06:44,367 --> 00:06:48,326 Oh, fine. So we can CGSM it. CGSM? 90 00:06:48,487 --> 00:06:53,242 Civil service code. Consignment of Geriatric Shoe Manufacturers. 91 00:06:55,047 --> 00:06:57,641 Load of old cobblers, Minister. 92 00:06:58,967 --> 00:07:04,997 I shall use my own code. I shall write "round objects". 93 00:07:07,927 --> 00:07:12,125 Ah, Minister, you wanted a word about staffing? 94 00:07:12,287 --> 00:07:15,279 Yes, Humphrey. Morning, Bernard. 95 00:07:15,447 --> 00:07:17,438 I've made a policy decision. 96 00:07:17,607 --> 00:07:22,123 I'm going to change the number of women in the Civil Service. 97 00:07:22,287 --> 00:07:24,881 Surely there aren't all that many. 98 00:07:26,167 --> 00:07:29,443 That's my point. The Minister thinks we need more. 99 00:07:29,607 --> 00:07:31,404 Many more. More? 100 00:07:31,567 --> 00:07:37,881 We're up to establishment on typists and tea ladies. Any ideas? 101 00:07:38,047 --> 00:07:43,644 Short on temporary secretaries. I'm talking Permanent Secretaries. 102 00:07:44,927 --> 00:07:47,760 Permanent... We need female mandarins. 103 00:07:47,927 --> 00:07:49,918 Sort of satsumas, Minister. 104 00:07:52,487 --> 00:07:54,796 Sit down, will you, Bernard. 105 00:07:54,967 --> 00:07:58,004 How many Permanent Secretaries are there? 41, I believe. 106 00:07:58,167 --> 00:08:02,160 And how many of those are women? Well, broadly speaking... 107 00:08:02,327 --> 00:08:05,000 Not having the figures to hand, I'm not sure. 108 00:08:05,167 --> 00:08:07,635 Approximately. Approximately... none. 109 00:08:09,087 --> 00:08:14,081 There are about 150 Deputy Secretaries. How many are women? 110 00:08:14,247 --> 00:08:16,477 Well, it's difficult to say. Why? 111 00:08:16,647 --> 00:08:19,559 There's a lot of old women among the men. 112 00:08:21,407 --> 00:08:24,843 Four. Are there really? 113 00:08:25,007 --> 00:08:30,001 A quota of 25% women Deputy and Permanent Secretaries 114 00:08:30,167 --> 00:08:32,158 to be achieved in four years. 115 00:08:32,327 --> 00:08:36,923 Wait. I'm obviously in total sympathy with your objectives. 116 00:08:37,087 --> 00:08:40,045 Obviously. Of course we must have more women. 117 00:08:40,207 --> 00:08:44,564 Of course! We are deeply concerned by this apparent imbalance, 118 00:08:44,727 --> 00:08:46,718 but these things take time. 119 00:08:46,887 --> 00:08:50,084 I want to make a start straight away. I agree. 120 00:08:50,247 --> 00:08:54,718 I propose we setting up an inter-departmental committee... 121 00:08:54,887 --> 00:08:58,436 No, no, no. That's not what I meant and you know it. 122 00:08:58,607 --> 00:09:02,964 This needs a sledgehammer. We must cut through the red tape. 123 00:09:03,127 --> 00:09:08,042 You can't cut tape with a sledgehammer... You know what I mean. 124 00:09:08,207 --> 00:09:12,246 You do me an injustice. I was not about to suggest delays. 125 00:09:12,407 --> 00:09:14,875 Oh, sorry. That's all right. 126 00:09:15,047 --> 00:09:18,039 I suggest that, if we are to have 25% quota, 127 00:09:18,207 --> 00:09:24,043 Larger intake at the stage so there'll be 25% in the top jobs. 128 00:09:24,207 --> 00:09:26,482 When? In 25 years. 129 00:09:26,647 --> 00:09:30,435 No, Humphrey, you haven't quite got my drift. I mean NOW. 130 00:09:33,287 --> 00:09:36,882 Oh... you mean, NOW? Got it in one, Humphrey. 131 00:09:37,927 --> 00:09:40,316 It takes time to do things NOW. 132 00:09:42,287 --> 00:09:46,280 3 articles of Civil Service: takes longer to do things quickly; 133 00:09:46,447 --> 00:09:51,202 more expensive to do them cheaply, more democratic in secret. 134 00:09:51,367 --> 00:09:54,279 I have suggested four years. Masses of time. 135 00:09:54,447 --> 00:09:57,644 Oh, dear me, no! 136 00:09:57,807 --> 00:10:01,402 I don't mean political time, I mean real time. 137 00:10:01,567 --> 00:10:07,199 Civil servants are grown like oak trees, not mustard and cress. 138 00:10:09,727 --> 00:10:14,164 They bloom and ripen with the seasons, they mature like... 139 00:10:14,887 --> 00:10:18,516 Like yourself. Well, I was about to say like an old port. 140 00:10:19,287 --> 00:10:22,279 Like Grimsby, perhaps. 141 00:10:23,607 --> 00:10:27,998 Yes, I was being serious, Minister. I foresaw this problem. 142 00:10:28,167 --> 00:10:32,763 By bringing in top women from outside the service 143 00:10:32,927 --> 00:10:34,997 to fill vacancies in the top jobs. 144 00:10:35,167 --> 00:10:36,566 I... 145 00:10:37,687 --> 00:10:41,885 I don't think I quite understood. Watch my mouth, Humphrey. 146 00:10:42,047 --> 00:10:45,164 We will bring in women from outside. 147 00:10:45,327 --> 00:10:50,321 But the strength is that it is unsullied by outside influences. 148 00:10:50,487 --> 00:10:53,479 People move jobs. Why should the Civil Service be different? 149 00:10:53,647 --> 00:10:56,241 It IS different. It demands subtlety. 150 00:10:56,407 --> 00:10:58,204 Discretion. Devotion to duty. 151 00:10:58,367 --> 00:11:01,677 Soundness. Soundness! Well said, Bernard! 152 00:11:01,847 --> 00:11:06,477 Endless patience and boundless understanding. 153 00:11:06,647 --> 00:11:10,037 They need to be able to change horses mid-stream, 154 00:11:10,207 --> 00:11:13,438 as politicians change what they call their minds. 155 00:11:13,607 --> 00:11:17,680 You have these talents? Well, it is just that one's been properly 156 00:11:17,847 --> 00:11:21,697 Matured. Like Grimsby. Trained. 157 00:11:21,767 --> 00:11:24,884 Ask yourself if there isn't something wrong with the system. 158 00:11:25,047 --> 00:11:29,438 Why are there so few women? They keep leaving to have babies. 159 00:11:29,607 --> 00:11:33,600 At nearly 50? Surely not. I don't know. I'm on your side. 160 00:11:33,767 --> 00:11:37,760 We do need more women at the top. I'm not waiting 25 years. 161 00:11:37,927 --> 00:11:41,920 There's a vacancy for Deputy Secretary here. Ye-es. 162 00:11:42,087 --> 00:11:46,365 I shall appoint a woman. Sarah Harrison. Sarah Harrison?! 163 00:11:46,527 --> 00:11:48,586 I think she's very able? Very. 164 00:11:48,621 --> 00:11:50,645 For a woman, for a person. 165 00:11:50,807 --> 00:11:53,037 And she is an original thinker. 166 00:11:53,207 --> 00:11:57,405 Yes, that's true, but she doesn't let it interfere with her work. 167 00:11:57,567 --> 00:12:01,116 What have you got against her? Nothing. She's excellent. 168 00:12:01,287 --> 00:12:03,084 I'm a supporter of hers. 169 00:12:03,247 --> 00:12:07,559 I advocated her promotion to Under-Secretary at a very early age. 170 00:12:07,727 --> 00:12:10,924 Would you agree that she is outstanding? Yes. 171 00:12:11,087 --> 00:12:15,558 So, on balance, it is a good idea? On balance... yes and no. 172 00:12:16,927 --> 00:12:20,317 That's not a very clear answer. It's a balanced answer. 173 00:12:20,487 --> 00:12:23,877 The point is she's too young and it's not her turn. 174 00:12:24,047 --> 00:12:29,246 This is exactly what's wrong with the Civil Service Buggins' turn! 175 00:12:29,407 --> 00:12:34,003 The best people should be promoted As soon as it's their turn! 176 00:12:34,167 --> 00:12:38,558 Oh, nonsense! Napoleon ruled Europe when he was in his 30s! 177 00:12:38,727 --> 00:12:43,243 Alexander conquered the world at 20s They made poor Secretaries. 178 00:12:43,407 --> 00:12:46,956 They didn't wait their turn! And look what happened to them. 179 00:12:47,127 --> 00:12:49,118 And look what's happened to us! 180 00:12:49,287 --> 00:12:53,519 Instead of being run by a lot of young, able, energetic men, 181 00:12:53,687 --> 00:12:58,681 this country's being run by 55-year-olds who just want a quiet life! 182 00:13:00,167 --> 00:13:02,840 Had you anyone specific in mind? 183 00:13:05,127 --> 00:13:07,277 Yes and no, Humphrey. 184 00:13:08,527 --> 00:13:14,523 Sarah Harrison is an excellent civil servant, a hope for the future, 185 00:13:14,687 --> 00:13:19,807 but she is our most junior and I will not recommend her promotion. 186 00:13:19,967 --> 00:13:24,119 I think you're a sexist. Minister, how could you say such a thing? 187 00:13:24,287 --> 00:13:27,836 I'm very pro-women. Wonderful people, women. 188 00:13:28,967 --> 00:13:32,562 Sarah is a dear lady. I'm one of her greatest admirers. 189 00:13:32,727 --> 00:13:38,836 the cause of women must be done with care, tact and discretion. 190 00:13:39,007 --> 00:13:45,003 She is our only woman for a top job. We mustn't push her too fast. 191 00:13:45,167 --> 00:13:49,046 Women find top jobs very difficult. Can you hear yourself? 192 00:13:49,207 --> 00:13:55,203 If they could be good Permanent Secretaries there would be more. 193 00:13:55,367 --> 00:13:58,598 No... I'm not anti-feminist! I love women! 194 00:13:58,767 --> 00:14:01,964 Some of my best friends are women! 195 00:14:03,207 --> 00:14:05,004 Er... my wife, indeed. 196 00:14:07,407 --> 00:14:12,401 But Sarah is inexperienced and her children are still of school age. 197 00:14:12,567 --> 00:14:15,400 They might get mumps! You might get shingles! 198 00:14:15,567 --> 00:14:21,119 Indeed if you continue. What if children caused her to miss work? 199 00:14:21,287 --> 00:14:26,077 Would she have reached Under-Secretary? She is the best person! 200 00:14:26,247 --> 00:14:29,444 If you promote women just because they're the best person, 201 00:14:29,607 --> 00:14:33,520 you will create a lot of resentment throughout the Civil Service! 202 00:14:33,687 --> 00:14:37,680 Not from the women in it. Well, that hardly matters, does it? 203 00:14:38,927 --> 00:14:40,565 Hardly matters? 204 00:14:42,007 --> 00:14:44,567 There are so few of them. 205 00:14:48,687 --> 00:14:52,282 I've told him women are different, but he can't grasp it. 206 00:14:52,447 --> 00:14:54,836 They put such strains on a team. 207 00:14:55,007 --> 00:14:59,046 They react differently. They're so emotional. Not rational like us. 208 00:14:59,207 --> 00:15:04,884 Hopeless when tell them off. Either into a bate or blubbing. 209 00:15:05,047 --> 00:15:09,279 If not the sort who blub, they become frightfully hard and butch. 210 00:15:09,447 --> 00:15:11,438 Not the least bit attractive. 211 00:15:12,607 --> 00:15:15,804 They're full of prejudices. Make silly generalisations. 212 00:15:16,927 --> 00:15:21,125 They think in stereotypes. Mmm. 213 00:15:21,287 --> 00:15:24,006 Arnold, what do you think I should do? 214 00:15:24,167 --> 00:15:28,160 Lecture him at such length on the matter that he becomes bored 215 00:15:28,327 --> 00:15:30,363 and loses interest in the idea. 216 00:15:30,527 --> 00:15:34,520 Yes, might work. Mind you, he doesn't get bored easily. 217 00:15:34,687 --> 00:15:37,884 He even finds himself interesting. They all do. 218 00:15:38,047 --> 00:15:42,837 All the ones who listen to what we're saying. Not many of those. 219 00:15:43,007 --> 00:15:47,000 The standard second ploy is to tell him the unions won't wear it. 220 00:15:47,167 --> 00:15:49,886 They'd like it. That's beside the point. 221 00:15:50,047 --> 00:15:54,563 Oh, yes, sorry. What does his wife think about all this? 222 00:15:54,727 --> 00:15:59,323 I gather she's in favour of itn. In fact, she may be behind it. 223 00:15:59,487 --> 00:16:04,925 I see. Does she know that Sarah Harrison is rather attractive? 224 00:16:05,527 --> 00:16:07,916 No, I don't think they've ever met... 225 00:16:11,487 --> 00:16:13,478 Good idea. 226 00:16:13,647 --> 00:16:16,957 We must mobilise the Cabinet against this quota nonsense. 227 00:16:17,127 --> 00:16:21,325 They'll be in favour of it. We can get them to change their minds. 228 00:16:21,487 --> 00:16:25,719 They change their minds fairly easily. Just like a lot of women! 229 00:16:25,887 --> 00:16:28,037 Thank God they don't blub! 230 00:16:30,647 --> 00:16:34,401 Minister, I have come to the conclusion that you were right. 231 00:16:37,167 --> 00:16:39,761 Are you being serious? Yes, indeed. 232 00:16:39,927 --> 00:16:45,957 I am now positively against discrimination against women 233 00:16:46,127 --> 00:16:50,917 In favour of positive discrimination discriminating discrimination 234 00:16:52,407 --> 00:16:54,398 Yes... I think I've got that. 235 00:16:54,567 --> 00:16:58,321 The view is, at the very highest level, that this should happen. 236 00:16:58,487 --> 00:17:00,955 Good. However... 237 00:17:01,887 --> 00:17:06,961 Problem about the quota. The unions won't wear it. 238 00:17:07,607 --> 00:17:11,600 Really? Let's have 'em in. We'll talk about it. Er... no, Minister. 239 00:17:11,767 --> 00:17:15,726 That would... just stir up a hornets' nest. Why? 240 00:17:17,887 --> 00:17:22,438 Well, if I might suggest... that we be realistic about this. 241 00:17:22,607 --> 00:17:27,158 By realistic, you mean drop the whole scheme. Oh, dear me, no! 242 00:17:27,327 --> 00:17:30,046 But, perhaps, a pause to re-group. 243 00:17:30,207 --> 00:17:34,644 Reassess the situation and discuss alternative strategies. 244 00:17:34,807 --> 00:17:37,560 A space of time for reflection and deliberation. 245 00:17:38,567 --> 00:17:41,161 You mean drop the whole scheme. 246 00:17:41,327 --> 00:17:44,922 No, I've set my hand to the plough, I've made the decision. 247 00:17:45,087 --> 00:17:49,080 We shall have a 25% quota of women within the next four years 248 00:17:49,247 --> 00:17:52,239 and, to make a start, I shall appoint Sarah Harrison. 249 00:17:52,407 --> 00:17:56,605 That is the wrong decision. Principle, Humphrey, principle. 250 00:17:56,767 --> 00:18:01,716 I'm sure Cabinet will support me. A lot of votes in women's rights. 251 00:18:01,887 --> 00:18:05,675 Votes? I thought you said it was a matter of principle. 252 00:18:08,607 --> 00:18:11,201 For ME. I was talking about them. 253 00:18:11,367 --> 00:18:13,244 Yes? 254 00:18:13,407 --> 00:18:15,398 Mrs Hacker's here. Send her in. 255 00:18:15,567 --> 00:18:19,958 Could you sign the letters before you go, Minister? 256 00:18:20,127 --> 00:18:23,358 Hello. Get Humphrey to give you a drink. Sherry? 257 00:18:24,767 --> 00:18:27,964 Remember that letter you wrote "round objects" on? 258 00:18:28,127 --> 00:18:30,721 Sir Humphrey has commented on it. 259 00:18:30,887 --> 00:18:35,278 What's he say? "Who is Round and to what does he object?" 260 00:18:38,247 --> 00:18:40,966 Here you are. Your very good health. 261 00:18:41,127 --> 00:18:44,722 Yes, it's a slow business changing the Civil Service. 262 00:18:44,887 --> 00:18:47,879 What about promoting this woman Jim was talking about? 263 00:18:48,047 --> 00:18:53,644 Your husband certainly has an eye for talent, Sarah's very talented. 264 00:18:53,807 --> 00:18:56,799 Quite delightful, real charmer. Cheers. Really? 265 00:18:56,967 --> 00:19:01,119 I very much admire this new generation of women civil servants 266 00:19:01,287 --> 00:19:04,085 compared to the old battle-axes I remember! 267 00:19:05,487 --> 00:19:11,642 Not all as beautiful as Sarah but they keep their femininity. 268 00:19:11,807 --> 00:19:17,279 Jim never discussed what she looks like. Perhaps he hasn't noticed. 269 00:19:17,447 --> 00:19:22,043 I find that hard to believe. He does spend a lot of time with her. 270 00:19:22,207 --> 00:19:25,643 And even more... if she's promoted. Shall we sit down? 271 00:19:28,127 --> 00:19:33,724 Gentlemen, my minister is set on creating a quota of 25% women, 272 00:19:33,887 --> 00:19:36,082 leading to an eventual 50%. 273 00:19:36,247 --> 00:19:39,000 Parity, I see. Yes. Mm. 274 00:19:39,167 --> 00:19:44,195 It seems right to me that women be treated fairly and equally. 275 00:19:44,367 --> 00:19:47,916 I speak for all of us when I say that, in principle, 276 00:19:48,087 --> 00:19:50,965 there should be such targets set and goals achieved. 277 00:19:53,087 --> 00:19:57,205 Bill? Well, I'm fully in favour of this idea. 278 00:19:57,367 --> 00:20:00,962 We must have positive discrimination in favour of women. 279 00:20:01,127 --> 00:20:03,721 It wouldn't work with the Foreign Office. 280 00:20:03,887 --> 00:20:07,675 We couldn't post women ambassadors to Iran or Muslim nations. 281 00:20:07,847 --> 00:20:13,046 No, quite, quite. The Third World is not so advanced as us. 282 00:20:13,207 --> 00:20:17,803 We have to send diplomats to new postings every three years, 283 00:20:17,967 --> 00:20:22,040 this idea is obviously not for us, but I do approve the principle. 284 00:20:24,167 --> 00:20:26,158 Neil? I'm in favour of it. 285 00:20:26,327 --> 00:20:28,716 I think we need the feminine touch. 286 00:20:28,887 --> 00:20:33,278 Women are better at handling some problems than men. 287 00:20:33,447 --> 00:20:37,235 We would have to make an exception in the Home Office. 288 00:20:37,407 --> 00:20:41,195 Women are not the right people to run prisons or the police. 289 00:20:41,367 --> 00:20:44,404 Quite probably, they wouldn't want to do it, anyway. 290 00:20:44,567 --> 00:20:48,765 But you do agree with the principle? Oh, yes, without question. 291 00:20:48,927 --> 00:20:52,886 Peter? Yes, the same applies to Defence... alas. 292 00:20:53,047 --> 00:20:55,038 All those admirals and generals. 293 00:20:55,207 --> 00:20:59,598 It wouldn't be possible to appoint a woman as Head of Security. 294 00:20:59,767 --> 00:21:02,327 M would have to become F. 295 00:21:04,847 --> 00:21:09,238 Yes, Defence is clearly a man's world, like Industry and Employment. 296 00:21:09,407 --> 00:21:12,126 All those trade union leaders! 297 00:21:12,287 --> 00:21:14,482 But what about the DHSS? John? 298 00:21:14,647 --> 00:21:18,845 Woman are well represented near the top of the DHSS. 299 00:21:19,007 --> 00:21:23,125 After all, we have two of the four Deputy Secretaries in Whitehall. 300 00:21:24,327 --> 00:21:29,117 Not eligible for Permanent Secretary. Deputy Chief Medical Officers. 301 00:21:29,287 --> 00:21:33,439 I'm not sure they're really suitable. No, that's unfair. 302 00:21:33,607 --> 00:21:38,601 Women are 80% of our clerical staff and 99% of the typing grades. 303 00:21:38,767 --> 00:21:43,841 We're not doing too badly. In principle, I'm in favour of it. 304 00:21:44,007 --> 00:21:45,406 Good, good. 305 00:21:45,567 --> 00:21:49,799 The feeling of the meeting is, in principle we're all in favour 306 00:21:49,967 --> 00:21:52,162 of equal rights for the ladies, 307 00:21:52,327 --> 00:21:55,922 but there are special problems in individual departments. 308 00:21:56,087 --> 00:21:59,796 Hear hear! What about this question of the quota? 309 00:21:59,967 --> 00:22:03,482 Frankly, I'm against it. Oh, yes, not on! 310 00:22:03,647 --> 00:22:08,641 We must have the right to promote the best man for the job, 311 00:22:08,807 --> 00:22:11,367 regardless of sex. 312 00:22:12,727 --> 00:22:15,321 Speaking as an ardent feminist myself, 313 00:22:15,487 --> 00:22:19,685 I think the problem lies in recruiting the right sort of women. 314 00:22:19,847 --> 00:22:22,236 Married women with families drop out 315 00:22:22,407 --> 00:22:26,400 because they cannot give their work their full attention. 316 00:22:26,567 --> 00:22:28,558 Unmarried women with no children 317 00:22:28,727 --> 00:22:33,243 are not fully-rounded people with a thorough understanding of life. 318 00:22:34,167 --> 00:22:38,638 It's rarely possible to find a fully-rounded married woman, 319 00:22:38,807 --> 00:22:45,076 with a home and 3 children, devote her whole life to a department. 320 00:22:45,247 --> 00:22:50,480 It's Catch 22, really. Well, Catch 22, sub-paragraph A! 321 00:22:52,007 --> 00:22:57,400 We must ensure that our ministers oppose this quota idea 322 00:22:57,567 --> 00:23:02,561 by drawing their attention to each department's special problems. 323 00:23:02,727 --> 00:23:07,198 But we will recommend the principle of equal at every level. 324 00:23:09,527 --> 00:23:11,757 May I suggest one more thing? 325 00:23:11,927 --> 00:23:17,923 My minister sees the promotion as creating greater diversity 326 00:23:18,087 --> 00:23:20,078 at the top of the service. 327 00:23:20,247 --> 00:23:26,516 Stress to our ministers that there's no more diverse lot than us. 328 00:23:26,687 --> 00:23:31,761 Absolutely! A real cross-section of the nation. 329 00:23:36,887 --> 00:23:39,481 Ah, Minister, how was Cabinet? 330 00:23:41,527 --> 00:23:43,995 Bit odd, actually. Why? 331 00:23:44,167 --> 00:23:47,557 We were talking about the top jobs quota for women. 332 00:23:47,727 --> 00:23:50,446 Was it agreed? That's what's so odd. 333 00:23:50,607 --> 00:23:56,204 Agreed in principle, but said it wouldn't work in their departments. 334 00:23:56,367 --> 00:23:59,200 They didn't support me at all. Extraordinary. 335 00:23:59,367 --> 00:24:02,200 And I'm not getting support from Annie. 336 00:24:02,367 --> 00:24:06,280 Really? What, about this quota? Well, about promoting Sarah. 337 00:24:06,447 --> 00:24:09,245 You'd think she'd be 100% behind it. Indeed. 338 00:24:09,407 --> 00:24:12,524 She goes sort of distant when I mention it. 339 00:24:12,687 --> 00:24:16,157 Dead against it now. Even more extraordinary. 340 00:24:16,327 --> 00:24:18,921 Oh, well, seems the only thing left. 341 00:24:19,087 --> 00:24:21,920 Something I can achieve. Yes, indeed. 342 00:24:22,087 --> 00:24:26,683 Shall I ask Mrs Harrison to come in? Would you be kind enough? 343 00:24:27,287 --> 00:24:30,757 At least this is something I can say I have done. 344 00:24:30,927 --> 00:24:32,758 Indeed. Lighting a spark. 345 00:24:32,927 --> 00:24:35,122 Carrying a torch, even. 346 00:24:37,607 --> 00:24:39,996 Ah, Sarah, do sit down. 347 00:24:40,167 --> 00:24:42,158 Thank you. Humphrey. 348 00:24:43,247 --> 00:24:48,241 There is a vacancy for a Deputy Secretary in this department. 349 00:24:48,407 --> 00:24:51,399 In spite of you being the most junior Under-Secretary, 350 00:24:51,567 --> 00:24:54,161 but because you are the outstanding person, 351 00:24:54,327 --> 00:24:59,526 Sir Humphrey and I have recommend you to Deputy Secretary. 352 00:25:02,247 --> 00:25:04,477 I... I don't know what to say. 353 00:25:04,647 --> 00:25:08,959 No need to say anything. A single thank you should suffice. 354 00:25:10,407 --> 00:25:13,399 No... Well... I mean... 355 00:25:13,567 --> 00:25:17,560 Oh, gosh. Look, this is awfully embarrassing. I mean... 356 00:25:17,727 --> 00:25:22,755 I was going to tell you. I'm resigning from the Civil Service. 357 00:25:23,847 --> 00:25:25,838 What? Resigning? 358 00:25:26,487 --> 00:25:29,718 Yes, so... thank you, but no, thank you. 359 00:25:31,127 --> 00:25:35,678 Some problem at home with your children? Mumps? 360 00:25:37,287 --> 00:25:40,484 No, I'm joining a merchant bank... as a director. 361 00:25:41,527 --> 00:25:45,725 Sarah... I won't conceal from you the fact that this is a blow. 362 00:25:45,887 --> 00:25:49,004 The reason Humphrey and I decided to recommend you 363 00:25:49,167 --> 00:25:54,560 I've been fighting a losing battle to improve promotion for women. 364 00:25:54,727 --> 00:25:57,958 You were to be my, so to speak, Trojan horse. 365 00:25:59,727 --> 00:26:04,118 Quite honestly, I want a job where I don't spend endless hours 366 00:26:04,287 --> 00:26:09,884 Information about subjects don't matter to people aren't interested. 367 00:26:12,087 --> 00:26:17,684 I want a job where there's achievement rather than merely activity. 368 00:26:17,847 --> 00:26:21,362 I want to point to something and say "I did that. " 369 00:26:21,527 --> 00:26:24,121 I don't understand. 370 00:26:25,087 --> 00:26:27,078 I know. That's why I'm leaving. 371 00:26:28,727 --> 00:26:31,116 You're not saying the government is unimportant? 372 00:26:31,287 --> 00:26:35,565 It's just that I haven't met anyone who's doing it. 373 00:26:39,087 --> 00:26:42,284 Also I've had enough of the pointless intrigue. 374 00:26:42,447 --> 00:26:45,644 Intrigue? You know the sort of thing. 375 00:26:45,807 --> 00:26:50,801 Like this women's rights. Your using me as a Trojan horse. 376 00:26:50,967 --> 00:26:54,960 They probably said the unions wouldn't wear it if you promoted me. 377 00:26:55,127 --> 00:26:59,757 How did you know that? I didn't. I just know how things are done. 378 00:27:01,087 --> 00:27:04,079 You don't realise I've fought quite a battle for you. 379 00:27:04,247 --> 00:27:08,286 Oh, have you? I didn't ask you to fight a battle for me. 380 00:27:08,447 --> 00:27:11,519 I'm not pleased at being part of a 25% quota. 381 00:27:11,687 --> 00:27:16,203 Women are not inferior beings and I don't enjoy being patronised. 382 00:27:17,407 --> 00:27:22,003 You're just as paternalist and chauvinist as the rest of them. 383 00:27:23,567 --> 00:27:28,083 I'm going somewhere to be accepted an equal, as a person. 384 00:27:28,247 --> 00:27:30,477 You can't win, can you? 385 00:27:31,487 --> 00:27:34,877 May I go now? Hm? Yes, of course. 386 00:27:37,287 --> 00:27:40,996 I'm sorry I offended you, though I can't remember how I did. 387 00:27:41,167 --> 00:27:42,566 No. 388 00:27:42,727 --> 00:27:46,959 And thank you. I know you both mean well. 389 00:27:56,367 --> 00:27:59,245 Women! 390 00:27:59,407 --> 00:28:01,125 Yes, Minister. 391 00:28:02,305 --> 00:28:08,352 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from OpenSubtitles.org34328

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