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Inside this envelope is a huge advantage
at the next immunity challenge.
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200. 200 to Danny. Fold for 200 to
Danny.
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Switch positions with any player.
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I'm going to switch with Steph.
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Steph doesn't like it.
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Steph is out.
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Danny wins immunity.
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Money well spent.
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Money well spent. Nothing more valuable
than this right now. Oh, I love this
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thing.
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Welcome to the Survivor Guatemala
reunion. So we have all 18 of the folks
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Survivor Guatemala going to check in
with everybody tonight.
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Starting with you, Danny. We showed that
clip of you buying the immunity
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advantage.
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On day 31, you pay $200 for that. It
saves you from getting voted out. Eight
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days later, it's a million dollars. With
my math, that's a 500 ,000 % return on
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investment.
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But seriously, that was critical for
you, right? You were gone that night.
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No, that was definitely the best move
for me in that game.
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Gosh, this is unbelievable. It's
overwhelming.
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That was money well spent, that's for
sure. Because, you know, at this point
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the game, it was all puzzles.
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And I'm terrible at puzzles.
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My family knows anything that's
physical, I'm fine.
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So I knew I was going to need a clue.
Aside from buying that, what was the
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move you made strategically in terms of
who to vote out or who to keep in?
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Probably at the end with Rafe,
strategically getting him out at the end
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Rafe was very well liked. And that's
something I still deal with today
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he's such an awesome guy, but we're here
to win the game.
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Rafe, you had...
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You made a deal. You were going to the
final two.
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What was it that made you give it up?
Was it really what you said about honor
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were you influenced by Stephanie and her
effort and crying and all that?
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You know, I was definitely influenced by
Steph and her effort, but I really
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wanted Dani to make a decision that
she'd look back now, look back five
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from now, and be proud of the decision
she made. I thought it would be to take
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me to the final two, but, you know, it
wasn't. And that's okay, because I
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her to make what she'd be proud of.
Well, Dani, I think you had mentioned to
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at one point that the minute you
realized this was going to be an
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once everybody made it to the sort of
leaning position, you started panicking,
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thinking, what am I going to do? I can't
take race.
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Yeah.
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When I was up there in that final
immunity challenge, I kept thinking
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family. And I have a huge family.
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And I just knew I could bless them so
much, you know, if I won the million
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dollars. And I started thinking about
them because if I came back and I hadn't
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made that move, they would have killed
me. I mean, they would have had my head
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on a chopping block. And it's so funny.
I kind of like to think of myself as
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like a stealth bomber. Like in this
game, I don't think anybody...
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I never flew under the radar. I think
they just beat the radar. They didn't
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I was coming until after I dropped the
bombs on them. Gary, that's a good point
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she makes.
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That's one of the questions I had. I
never really saw Dani play in the game
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until late. Was she just underrated?
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I don't think she was underrated at all.
I just think she just had a smile on
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her face. She was honest. She worked
hard, and it got her where she's at, and
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that's awesome.
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Ray.
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Going back to giving up this immunity,
because it seemed to me many times
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throughout the game, you were morally
conflicted. Should I? I could. I can't
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the chicken, which is a whole other
topic.
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And then you give back what might have
been a million dollars. We'll never know
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what happened because you didn't get a
chance to go to Final Two and make your
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case. Could have been a million dollar
give back.
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Was that the hardest part of the game
for you, the moral decisions?
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Definitely. You know, I was looking at
myself on day 38 as I watched Steph up
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there and I watched Danny up there, and
I was thinking, I truly am proud of
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every decision. I made some hard
decisions to get people out, and, you
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was proud of it at the end, and I didn't
want to on day 38.
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throw that away just to try and win. I
wanted to make a decision for that
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council too that I was also proud of.
Surprised a little at how well you did
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physically. Four individual immunity
wins. Pretty good.
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You know, I don't think anyone here ever
expected me to do well, and that's what
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I went in, you know, I was like, I
believe in myself, and I don't care what
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everyone else thinks. I'm going to come
out here, and every competition I go
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into, I'm going to give it my best. I'm
going to try to win it.
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I think people did underestimate me the
whole game out here, and I used it to my
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advantage. Lydia, I'm going to ask you
the question that I ask you, bless your
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heart, at almost every tribal council.
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Sooner or later, I would say, Lydia, how
are you still in this game?
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Well, Jeff, you know, I came in this
game with a different kind of strategy.
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And first and foremost, you know, being
a mom, you know, nurturing compassion,
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you know, that plays a big key in
everybody, you know, for me to show
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You know, also, although I'm not real
athletic, you know, I was here as a
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provider, and I think I did my job well,
providing everybody food, my vote,
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water, a clean camp, and a smile and
motivation.
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Well, and there's something to be said
for that.
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Your attitude in what was the toughest
season we've done, your attitude
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was remarkable.
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Day after day, Lydia would show up and
have.
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She would have the smile on her face in
light of everything else. Right, and I
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just want to let everybody know a
positive attitude and a good heart and a
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kindred spirit, you know, will take you
far. All right.
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We're going to take a quick break. Up
next, we're going to talk to Bobby John
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and Stephanie, two people who returned
to play a second time and in spite of
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targets, played very well. Plus, we're
going to hear from one survivor who was
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never afraid to speak his mind. We are
back.
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Back to the Survivor Guatemala Live at
Union show.
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One of the big twists of this season was
inviting back Stephanie and Bobby John
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to play for a second time. And the
appealing part of the dilemma was they
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decide, those of you in the game, do we
get rid of these two guys who've already
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played or do we keep them around for
their knowledge?
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Steph, so coming in, you know you're
going to have a target on your back.
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How did that impact how you played this
game from day one?
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Well. For me coming in, it was pretty
difficult because I was like, well, I'm
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probably not going to get past the first
council, first of all. So I'm going to
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have to obviously do everything I can to
try to get sort of far.
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So the first thing on my mind is I'm
going to have to take a leadership role.
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can't sit back. I'm definitely going.
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And make a good alliance. And I did. I
made a major alliance with Ray and a few
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other people, and it got me all the way
to the end.
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Were you worried? Because in Palau, the
first time you played, you were sort of
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the sweetheart.
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And everybody loved Stephanie and how
she played. Well, that's hard. That
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expectation is hard to live up to a
second time.
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Did it go through your head, I might be
risking the way people see me if I play
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a tougher game?
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Absolutely. I mean, I guess I did come
off as America's sweetheart, but also
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coming into Guatemala, I wasn't playing
for seventh place.
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So I knew that I had to play hard.
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And I'm the same person I was on Palau.
I mean, you may have seen a different
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side of me, but that's me.
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Take them both.
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mash them together, it comes and I'm
there. I don't know what, but I am who I
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am. I'm a nice person, but I had to make
some tough decisions, and I hurt a few
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people along the way, but it's Survivor,
and if you want to get to the end,
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you've got to play hard, and I did. I'm
really proud of it. Did you think going
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to the end that you could win? Because
as you said, as far as Judd, Jamie, and
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Cindy are concerned, you're yesterday's
news.
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You cut their throats. That's three of
the four votes Danny needs to win.
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Yeah.
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I actually, I came into the game and I
thought I had a great chance at winning.
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And then as I'm playing the game and
kind of some of the reactions I got from
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few people, I was like, wait a minute, I
got a second chance.
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If I get to the end, no one's going to
vote for me.
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So I kind of thought maybe I definitely
won't win the game. So their best
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strategy was probably to take me to the
end because they're definitely going to
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win against me. But at the same time,
Rafe and I played the same game.
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The same game. I may have come off a
little differently, but we played the
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game. And he may have won. I mean, you
never know, but he may have won. That's
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why Danny took me. It was a good move.
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Another element of having both Bobby,
John, and Steph was there was a sense of
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starstruck, especially in the beginning.
For some of you, not for everybody.
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Amy's shaking her head. Hell no.
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Thanks, Danny. Cindy, without question,
you even said it. One of the challenges,
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you said part of the reason I'm on this
show is Stephanie.
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that if she can do that, I can do it,
and maybe better.
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Fair enough.
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Gary, I know from talking to you, you
sense even more than just inspiration.
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You sense a bit of, wow, that's
Stephanie and Bobby John.
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And how did that impact the game from
you as a new player playing?
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Well, I'm a big Survivor fan, and
Stephanie was one of my favorites, and
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Bobby John and Plow.
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And I think they used it to their
advantage. And that's smart playing, so
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got to give them credit.
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Okay, but I'm not going to let you off
the hook.
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I want to hear the truth, which is
you've told me before that you think it
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impact the game because for a while
people were kind of like, it's just cool
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be around these two people.
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There's no doubt.
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people were asking him question after
question and you know and Stephanie was
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just given answers and it was people
were look after she was on TV for how
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in the previous season and there's no
doubt that There was some people that
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really really glad she was there. Well,
I have to say Steph in Two seasons you
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definitely set a couple of records 46
challenges you took part in you won 10
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lost 36 times on the flip side you
survived enough to
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make it through 25 tribal councils. Now,
you got voted out twice, but it really
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does say a lot for how well you played
this game, because it's tough to survive
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that many votes.
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So, hats off to you for that.
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Now, you had a bond with Judd that
seemed very tight, and when Judd was
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voted out, it was a blindside, and it
led to one of the best...
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exit lines I think we've ever had.
Remember this?
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Thirteenth person voted out of Survivor
Guatemala.
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Judd. Thanks, guys.
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Hope you guys all get bit by a freaking
crocodile.
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Scumbags.
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You say you're brutally honest. Brutally
honest.
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Yeah, you were every single day brutally
honest.
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What is the relationship between you and
Steph? Because that night, it was not
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good. Steph's awesome.
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I mean, you know, nobody hates to lose.
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There's nothing fun about losing, so I
was pretty PO'd.
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She's still a good girl. She played
hard.
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What's been the perception, because
you're adornment.
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in a big city where you meet a lot of
people every day, what's been the
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from people? Do they recognize you and
what's their take on how you play? Yeah,
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no, they look at me and they say, holy
cow, that's the big fat dude from
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Survivor. The big mouth.
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Oh, that's it, man. That's it, I'm
telling you.
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So you're okay because a lot of people
would say you were a villain this
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And you're okay with that. That's Judd.
Yeah, like I said, brutally honest.
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You know, I said it the way it was and I
got no regrets whatsoever.
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Is it?
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That's a good way to play this game, for
sure.
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What's the status with Margaret? Because
I got to say, I've been through a lot
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of tribal councils. I've never seen
anybody stand up and do the speech you
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to Margaret about ADD and all that
stuff.
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You know what? That was just part of my
strategy.
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What can I tell you? No hard feelings,
Margaret, whatsoever.
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Oh, nice. One thing I have to clear up,
Judd.
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You did lie in this game.
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Because even after we outed you for
lying about the idol, when you got voted
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in your confessional, you said, I don't
know. I mean, I never lied.
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I'm looking at the TV going, who is this
guy?
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Yeah, but, you know, the night before I
lied, the night before I lied, I kind of
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had a big party. And, you know, it was
still a little going into the next day.
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This is what it's like at Tribal
Council.
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So I felt like Santa Claus, and I said,
it's on the ground.
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Bobby John said if I told him it was in
a water, he would have jumped in the
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water.
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Speaking of Bobby John, Bobby John,
also, big target on your back. You come
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this game as one of the toughest, one of
the strongest guys, and on day one,
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eyes rolling in the back of your head.
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That trek obviously surprised you. Even
you, a guy built for this game in a lot
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of ways. No, it did. It beat me right
down on my back. I mean, I felt
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embarrassed.
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It pretty much humbled me in more ways
than one, I think. Did you come in also
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with a different strategy? Because I
know at the end of Palau, it seemed like
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you were starting to realize there's
some strategy to how you play people in
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game. Well, you've got to mash the gas
in order for the car to go. And that's
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the whole thing about this game. If you
think you can just work and be nice and
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be sweet and go through this game and
not get voted out, that's not going to
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happen. What was it you said just now?
You have to what?
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Something about mashing the gas in the
car.
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What's great about you, Bobby John,
is...
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Still, after how many people played this
game, you have to be one of the most
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authentic and endearing guys to ever be
on here.
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And yet, sometimes that authenticity
explodes to the guy next to you.
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Before we get to that, I have to say,
watching you two guys from the South go
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it, I mean, sometimes it was heated, but
it was always entertaining.
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I just want to remind you kind of what
it was like. Take a look at this.
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Alabama and Georgia kind of have rivals.
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Just shut up, dude. I mean, God.
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So, Jamie, obviously the status of the
friendship is fine at this point.
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It's good to know there's still some
good old country boys around. I love
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kid.
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Love him.
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Were you really losing your mind out
there?
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I heard there was a vote tonight.
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I almost didn't come.
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A little paranoid.
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Promise you won't vote for me?
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Don't keep lying to me, Ray.
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Ray!
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Because, you know, that...
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That seemed to be a real reason that
people voted you out, as they thought,
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Ray said, he won't quit asking me if I'm
going to vote him out. I'm getting
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tired of him. I'm going to vote him out.
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Once you were voted out, did you have a
period where you realized, I think I
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was, seriously, kind of losing it out
there? I was definitely losing a little
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bit out there. I admit that.
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But I was also a competitor also, so it
goes both ways.
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I think I was just losing a little bit.
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It happens. What happens? They played a
game and they got me.
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All right. Well, up next, Gary said he
never played in the NFL, but Danny knew
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better. How did she know?
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Plus, which survivor wishes she was
still living in the jungles of
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We'll get her story after this.
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Who do you think I want?
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Oh, I thought you played with him so
much ago.
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I don't know. Maybe he just doesn't want
anybody to know he was a former
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professional quarterback.
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I'll call the locals over there. Can you
give me the lowdown on Mr. Gary
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Hawkins, ex -professional football
player? Ex -professional football? Yeah,
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wish. If you want, and I found it after,
I ain't going to beat you down.
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Welcome back to the Survivor Guatemala
reunion show. Now, the whole need
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for that lie actually started because
Danny
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recognizes you 10 minutes into the show.
How did you know who Hogeman was?
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Well, I work in sports radio back in
Kansas City for Sports Radio 610, and
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huge sports fanatic, but I wouldn't have
recognized him if I hadn't been for
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growing up with seven brothers and a dad
who was a Cowboys fan, just seeing
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pictures around him, because when we
were at casting, for the show, I was
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he looks familiar.
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First off, I thought he was like Brett
Favre.
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And I went back, and I'm like, gosh, I
recognize him. And then...
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You went to Central Michigan State, and
you go up there, and there's like a
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shrine of Gary there at Central Michigan
State. So it was kind of funny. It was
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kind of ironic. And you ended up at
Central Michigan State on a lark going
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see a game.
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Yeah, we just were up there.
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So, Gary, you show up. This is your
worst nightmare.
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She spotted you three different times
already.
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Yeah, it really was. I didn't expect
anybody to spot me just because of the
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differences and everything, but I
figured I had to go in with a different
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just to get as far as I could in the
game, but it shocked me.
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So you had the alter ego planned from
day one anyway.
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Yes, I did.
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And did you hear from any of your NFL
buddies?
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You know, they just wanted to know what
the heck I was doing on the show.
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What are you doing, man?
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I love the show.
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Amy, so you're suspicious the whole
time.
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And then you finally find out what was
the reaction. Did you call Gary? What
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happened? Oh, you have no idea. I wanted
to beat him down, baby.
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Grand Haven.
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Okay,
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you are a detective sergeant in the
major crime unit. Reveal PD.
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In major crime unit. What's up? Reveal
PD. I got to say hello.
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So what's the reaction? Do people
recognize you?
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Yes. Every time I go to lock up a bad
guy, they're like, hey, weren't you on
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Survivor? I'm like, listen, buddy,
you're under arrest.
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For a second here, let's just
acknowledge some real changes in
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starting with you, Amy. You look
fantastic.
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Thank you.
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And at the other end, Judd, how much did
you lose?
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45 pounds. 45 pounds.
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Well,
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for all of the pain and suffering of
this show, Cindy, you enjoyed this so
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You still wish, is this true that you
still wish you were living in the
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of Guatemala?
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Yeah, I do wish. I mean, I go to sleep
at night. I try to go to sleep at night,
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and I close my eyes, and I constantly
imagine the sounds of the jungle and
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imagine what the ground felt like and
the smell of the fire.
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You know people think you're slightly
nuts for thinking that. I know they do,
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but anybody that knows me very well all
knows that that is really Cindy.
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I felt like I left a part of who I am in
the Guatemalan jungle, and when I left
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for tribal council that night, I thought
I might go home tonight, and I really
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felt like I was leaving home, and I was
never going to get to come back.
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And you actually lost your job to be on
this show when you went for your first
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meeting with us. I did lose my job, and
that was my other home. The two things
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that people know about me within the
first five minutes of meeting me was she
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wants to be on Survivor, and she loved
her job at the zoo.
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It's the two things everybody knew.
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So, I mean, I lost my job at the zoo to
pursue the dream of Survivor, and then
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when I left that night thinking it might
be my last night, I thought, okay,
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well, this one's over, too.
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And I just feel like that those...
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Part of me is gone, and I feel like I
left home, and I was never going to come
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back. Which begs the big question. You
had a rare opportunity with this car
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curse.
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So everybody that has won that challenge
in 11 seasons has never went on to win
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the game. We gave you a chance not only
to, quote, unquote, get rid of the
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curse, whatever that is, but also to
give four other people a car.
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Rafe, do you think if she had made a
different decision, Would it have kept
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in until the final four?
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You know, it's hard to say what you
would have done at that time because
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not in that situation.
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I would have thought maybe it would
have, but if we'd been there and we
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her out, she would have lost everything.
So, you know, she did get the car and
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she has a Pontiac and she can drive to
Guatemala.
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Speaking of going back to Guatemala,
Margaret, up in the top row, you had
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good experience and connected so much
with Guatemala. I heard that you're
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actually going back there to do some
relief work.
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Yes, I am. I'm very excited.
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Francis Ping Bolton, School of Nursing
at Case Western, is teaming up with me,
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and I'm going back with Brian Corden,
and we're leading a group of university
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students to help in the relief effort.
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After we left Guatemala, The mudslides
devastated them and buried hundreds of
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people alive. So we're excited about
going back.
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And also, to your credit, those first
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few days, we actually monitored a lot of
what was going on out there through
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your interviews with the show because it
was like triage for those first few
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days. And you had Blake in your lap
several times trying to keep him going.
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Now, Blake, you had a couple of things
going on out there. One, you were the
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that was going to be the strong guy in
all this, and that was changed right
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away. But the part that I kind of
remember and take the joy of is golden
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the term that everybody gave you. Amy,
you want to feel this one?
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I gave him this. Go ahead.
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Well, because you said that we kind of
covered that about that everything he
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touches sort of.
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Yeah. Question I have is this.
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When you described your girlfriend, for
those people who saw that episode, you
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went into great detail about your
girlfriend. And I just wondered, what
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reaction when you're sitting at home
watching that with her?
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You know, she laughed.
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She knows me and loves me very much and
knows how I feel about her. And
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actually, the funnier part was when her
father called me and said, I can't
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believe my.
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My daughter's breath got you kicked off
Survivor.
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All right, on that note, this was,
without a doubt, the toughest season
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ever done, and we're going to hear a
little more about that when we return,
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updates from a few other people up here.
But first, here's a clip that you
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didn't see on the show. This is the
moment that helped keep Gary alive when
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found the hidden immunity idol.
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I've been looking in the seba tree.
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Well, lo and behold, I see the idol.
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This is highly secret.
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I'm going to keep it till I need it,
which could be tonight.
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Your first challenge. It is a grueling
11 -mile race through the
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jungles of Guatemala.
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Judd, you okay back there?
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These big, strong guys.
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Strong as losses, and they're all down.
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I have open, festering sores.
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And it sucks.
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Welcome back to the Survival Guatemala
reunion show.
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Brandon, that was your shoulder. We were
looking at that at the end. When you
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see that...
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What goes through your head when you try
to describe what that 11 -mile trek
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through a dense jungle was like? How do
you do it?
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I don't know. It's pretty indescribable.
I mean, 11 miles through thick jungle,
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carrying bags of corn, I mean, it
explains itself. It is really, really
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difficult. Ever done anything that
compares to that?
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I did a little hiking in Montana over
the mountains and everything, but
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like that. I mean, it was really tough.
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You seem also like Rafe a little bit
that the tough part of this game for you
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was the moral compass. At a certain
point, you decided there are certain
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I'm going to do and certain things I
will not do.
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Would you play the game differently now
that you see it is just a game, or was
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that your line?
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No, I think I'd play the game the same
pretty much. I mean, that's how I went
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into the game, wanted to play a really
strong, clean game. But the game really
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brings out, I mean...
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A lot of ugliness. It's a really mean
game, you know. And I tried to bring a
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little bit of light and, you know, do
good.
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I think you did. I think your attitude
did bring some light.
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Jim.
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Jim, you come into this game with a lot
of years of experience in different
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areas, certainly in the fire department.
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And then early on, you know, you have a
freak accident.
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Can three days in still feel like the
survivor experience?
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The arm's doing good, and I'm going to
Disneyland.
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Brian, on the other corner, when we met
you about being on this show, you were,
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I'm the greatest student in the game,
Jeff. There's no one that can outfox me.
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can do anything. Let me tell you that.
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As a student of the game.
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I can't even say it. I'll just wait. Go
ahead.
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No, you were on the show because you
were fantastic, and you did know the
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and you did seem to have a very good
understanding of strategy.
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What didn't you anticipate?
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you know, luck is a huge, huge part of
the game. And when you're like, oh,
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got the most tribe pride?
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And then, oh, Brian, okay, well, screw
you, you're in the minority.
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You know, and I'm like, okay.
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So, you know, luck is just a huge part
of the game, and you really need to go
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into this game wanting to win, playing
hard, but being okay with the luck
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factor, you know. And, of course, I
could have overcome it, I think, if I
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had stronger bonds with Gary and Amy.
But, fact that matters, my game really
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changed when I was swapped over, or when
I stayed in your shop.
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You know, you have to be okay with luck
playing a factor. And I give you a hard
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time, and I'm not picking on you. You
really were delightful to have on the
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because you're so well -spoken, and you
are a good strategist. You maneuvered.
434
00:28:05,060 --> 00:28:08,000
You helped get Blake out of the game, no
doubt about it.
435
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:09,660
Blake's not buying it.
436
00:28:10,820 --> 00:28:14,060
Danny wanted to deserve it, you know.
Yeah.
437
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On the other end, Brooke.
438
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You get right away. You're leading this
tribe through the jungle you sort of got
439
00:28:21,570 --> 00:28:26,750
labeled it sounded like anyway as the
smart Person is that something that can
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hurt you in this game? Is that really
why you were voted out is because people
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00:28:29,710 --> 00:28:30,930
saw you early on as a threat?
442
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,260
I think in some ways, like, my first
original team appreciated me because I
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00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:39,520
smart, because I'd use the compass,
things like that, you know. And it was
444
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,660
that, like, Brandon got labeled as the
farm boy.
445
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,740
But here, I'd grown up on a farm my
entire life. You know, law school was
446
00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:49,600
the last three years of my life, but no
one ever called me a farm girl once.
447
00:28:49,940 --> 00:28:54,760
And then when I got on my new team, I
think Jamie, Judd, and Stephanie just
448
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,800
said, oh, law school girl's got to go.
She's not the athletic one, so we're
449
00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,800
going to get her out of here.
450
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,840
Brianna.
451
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:04,899
All right.
452
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:06,240
A couple of yeahs.
453
00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:11,800
Simply, to me, watching this game seemed
to overwhelm you.
454
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,940
That was my take. Am I wrong?
455
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,000
No, you're not wrong at all, actually.
It was very overwhelming. It was
456
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:23,060
extremely, I mean, it was brutal. I'm
not going to lie. And I still don't know
457
00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:24,380
what a pick is, and I don't really care.
458
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,360
But did you have fun?
459
00:29:28,380 --> 00:29:29,560
Did you have a good time?
460
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,460
I had a great time. I had a really
awesome time. My friends at the Seattle
461
00:29:34,460 --> 00:29:36,420
Supersonics are definitely teaching me
some things.
462
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,420
Morgan, same question.
463
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,600
It surprised me that you got voted off
so early.
464
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,800
It surprised me, too.
465
00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:51,260
And I still wonder, because some people
are so competitive, that six days that
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00:29:51,260 --> 00:29:54,220
you lasted would not be enough. You'd
say, you know, I didn't even get my feet
467
00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:57,280
wet. You know, everything happens. Sure,
it wasn't enough, but everything does
468
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,880
happen for a reason. And my experience
getting voted off kind of made it all
469
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,579
worth it.
470
00:30:01,580 --> 00:30:05,800
But I never expected myself to do as
well physically.
471
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:12,380
And so I thought that I was doing so
good in this game. And, you know, like
472
00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:14,600
said, you can't just be nice.
473
00:30:15,050 --> 00:30:16,570
and win this game.
474
00:30:16,810 --> 00:30:21,390
And yet all you can really be in this
game is who you are ultimately.
475
00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:26,510
And that's why I have no regrets because
I was true to myself and I really
476
00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:27,510
impressed myself.
477
00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:30,090
So I just have to be proud of that.
478
00:30:30,330 --> 00:30:34,510
Well, you guys give us a great season in
a very, very tough situation.
479
00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:41,910
Tomorrow morning on The Early Show here
on CBS, Danny is going to get a check
480
00:30:41,910 --> 00:30:43,310
for a million dollars.
481
00:30:43,930 --> 00:30:48,110
And also as part of the prize for
winning Survivor Guatemala, she wins the
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00:30:48,110 --> 00:30:49,590
Pontiac Torrent.
483
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:51,510
Take a look at your ride.
484
00:30:54,910 --> 00:30:59,130
And as this season comes to a close, a
new season is just around the corner.
485
00:30:59,150 --> 00:31:01,050
We'll tell you all about it when we come
right back.
486
00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:26,740
with a couple of twists. We're going to
catch the next group of Survivors by
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00:31:26,740 --> 00:31:27,740
surprise.
488
00:31:32,580 --> 00:31:37,740
Next season, Survivor travels to a
stunning location with an all -new
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00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:48,680
In the exotic waters of Panama sits a
tiny island of exile that will play into
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00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,980
the game like never before.
491
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,780
Each week, at least one castaway will be
banished to this desolate place,
492
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,940
separated from their tribe mates for
days at a time in one of the most
493
00:31:58,940 --> 00:32:00,480
unforgiving environments yet.
494
00:32:02,460 --> 00:32:07,320
Strategy will be turned on its head, and
survival will take on a whole new
495
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,320
meaning.
496
00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:11,860
And though this island will be a place
to be feared,
497
00:32:13,260 --> 00:32:18,140
Something hidden within its rocky shores
may be the key to $1 million and the
498
00:32:18,140 --> 00:32:19,880
title of soul, Survivor.
499
00:32:21,380 --> 00:32:26,520
The 16 new castaways will be divided
into tribes in a way never before seen.
500
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,860
Who will outwit, outplay, and outlast
all the others?
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00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:40,220
Join us as the adventure continues with
Survivor Panama, Exile Island.
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00:32:46,890 --> 00:32:52,730
You can do so immediately following the
show. Go to survivor -auction .com at
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00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:56,970
eBay. All kind of props up for bid.
We've raised a million and a half
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00:32:56,970 --> 00:32:59,810
for the Elizabeth Glazer Pediatric AIDS
Foundation.
505
00:33:00,210 --> 00:33:05,650
And we will see you soon for Survivor
Panama Exile Island. Thank you, guys.
506
00:33:05,710 --> 00:33:06,709
Great season.
507
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:07,710
Good night.
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