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Um, one of the things that she
still remembers very vividly
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is that she did not want
to leave him at the cemetery.
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Like, she was freaking out
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that we were gonna
put dirt on him
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and leave him in the ground.
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Like, she just
couldn't handle that.
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She was so upset about it.
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I remember that we were
watching a movie
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in my grandma
and grandpa's bed and he kept--
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We kept on
bonking heads together.
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- Did it hurt?
- No.
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What do you miss
most about your uncle Tyler?
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Um...
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The football world
has been rocked this week
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by the sad
death of a former star.
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The Super Bowl-winning safety,
Dave Duerson,
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took his own life, convinced
that the despair he faced
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was caused in part by
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the damage he suffered
on the football field.
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Junior Seau was found dead
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in his Southern California
home of an apparent suicide.
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A former San Diego
Chargers linebacker
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was found dead of
a gunshot wound this morning.
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Today,
a team of doctors confirmed
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that he suffered from
degenerative brain disease,
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which could be linked
to the years he spent
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taking blows and giving them
on the football field.
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We're looking at
a dangerous full-contact sport
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where too many players play
too long,
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and therefore suffer physical
consequences, including,
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especially importantly, CTE.
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Where for you and I,
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long-term health's
the most important thing.
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After that, the ability
to play a pro career.
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And the lowest priority
is to play that play.
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The athlete
turns it on its head.
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It's that play.
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I unequivocally
think there's a link between
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playing football and CTE.
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I guess if my son
was Tom Brady or, you know,
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Brett Favre
or some of those guys,
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it might've
made a bigger impact.
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And-- And, you know,
I've thought about
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that before, or Peyton Manning.
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I thought, "Lord, I don't
want them to suffer this."
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But if one of them would
have it,
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it would get a lot
more attention from the--
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You know, from our country.
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And this time,
we give it to...
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Tyler Sash,
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juking tacklers
off to the race.
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Nobody's gonna catch Sash.
Touchdown in the end!
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Money. That's
the money shot right there.
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Here he goes,
Tyler Sash! Bye-bye!
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Tyler lands
really-- Oh, nice ditch.
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Big running
room here for Sash.
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Now, he cuts back!
Oh, my goodness.
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Picked off by Tyler Sash!
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Garcia!
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Threw it up for grabs
and Sash has another.
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And it was Sash
who's been all over the place
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tonight in their secondary.
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Oskaloosa's
very own, Tyler Sash,
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is heading to
the Super Bowl this Sunday.
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So, it's Corona,
so I-- I'll let you do it.
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I even have some Clorox wipes
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- if you want me to--
- I've got some too.
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So, this clips on
the back of my pants, right?
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Yeah, just in the back, yeah.
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On your, you know, where your--
your loop of your jean.
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Oskaloosa's a pretty
nice small town in Iowa.
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It's not, you know,
it's not real small,
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but it's, you know,
it's big enough that it, uh,
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you know,
has a few things to offer,
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but I kind of like that,
coming from New Jersey.
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I kind of like the quiet life,
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and it's a-- it's a good life,
and it's simple,
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and you can really spend
a lot of time
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being the best parent
that you can be
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and having your kids involved
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in lots of different
activities at school.
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So, Oskaloosa's, uh,
been good to us,
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and, uh, it's made
a lot of developments
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in the last few years.
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Tyler was just,
he's just such a funny kid.
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You know,
he'd come over and he's always,
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you know, thought he was--
I don't know what he thought.
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Anyway, he'd come in
and I'd see him,
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and he'd look at me real funny
and I'm like, "No, Tyler."
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And he'd start running
at me,
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and he'd run and he'd tackle me
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just like
I was a tackling dummy.
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And he'd pick me up
and run with me.
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And I'm like, "Stop it!
You gotta put me down."
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I mean, he-- he just
did that all the time.
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Just funny stuff like that.
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I have a picture of my father,
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and he looked
a lot like my father.
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And, uh, I never really saw
that so much until later.
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And all my sisters are like,
and my mom thought
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he looked just like my dad.
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That's a picture
of him and his brother.
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We had that made
when he had, um,
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when my oldest son had
his senior pictures done,
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we had that made because they
were just really good buddies.
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And he was a ball boy for
his brother's high school team.
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Josh is our older brother.
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I was the middle child,
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and then
Tyler was the surprise.
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He wasn't planned.
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So he, his joke would be,
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well, he turned out to
be an all right surprise.
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Tyler just had kind of
this magnetic personality.
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So, really for, for me,
he-- I treated him as--
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as my younger brother.
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I kind of
mothered him, I guess.
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He had these huge blue eyes,
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always had this
huge smile on his face,
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and he was just
the most precious thing.
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He was very,
very cute little kid.
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As a little kid, he had--
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he couldn't
just walk through here.
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He would come
running up the stairs
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from his bedroom,
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and he would jump and he would
slap the-- the doorway.
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Like he-- he was trying to
dunk a basketball or something.
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That was his thinking.
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The trim at
that time was painted,
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and so it chipped
everything off, and...
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And my mom
would constantly, uh, tell him
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that he wasn't
supposed to do that.
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And so it got to the place
where, you know,
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there was handprints
all up all over the wall, and--
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He didn't listen.
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He was practicing his,
you know,
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how he's going to slap the
backboard or-- or do a dunk.
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After Tyler's brother
graduated from high school,
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Tyler moved
right into his bedroom.
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And that is
in the basement,
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because it was
the biggest room in the house.
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So, we'll go down here.
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And this is the room
that his-- his brother and him
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both-- you know, had each when
they were in high school.
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Wha--what posters were
up when he was in here?
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Oh, Michael Jordan.
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You know, the one with
the basketball in his hands.
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Mostly they were
basketball posters.
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Here comes Sash.
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Good. And get
the blocking foul.
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Uh, I don't know if you want
my real opinion or not.
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I'm not-- not too happy.
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It's time to wake up, okay?
You guys with me?
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Loose ten, hut!
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Kramer! Let's go.
Right here, right here.
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Tyler Sash is kind of a--
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he's kind of a local--
local hero, really.
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I mean, he's a guy
that, he grew up here,
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and he was just an outstanding
all-around athlete.
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He was a phenomenal
basketball player.
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He's a really
good football player.
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Uh, he's really good
at track.
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I remember him
playing baseball.
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Basketball, of course,
was a-- was a huge one for him.
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And then, and then, football
from third or fourth grade.
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This is actually
the middle school right here.
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My husband taught there
for 39 years.
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But he played
his football games there?
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Yeah, he played all
of his football games there.
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We lived on that street.
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So, we used to sit in that--
the deck of that last house.
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We used to sit up there
and watch his football games.
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- Really?
- Yeah. We never went
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to go-- we never went in.
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We could have got in for free,
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because my husband
coached here.
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You know, he's one of
those guys that you'd have to
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kick out of a gym,
or kick out of a weight room
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or whatever it might be,
because he wasn't--
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He was going to put all the
extra time and effort into it.
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I can remember against, uh,
one of our arch rivals, Pella,
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we threw a toss out to him,
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and I-- I swear,
we didn't block hardly anybody.
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And there were, he ran, uh,
50 yards for a touchdown.
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There were seven Pella kids
that were laying on the floor,
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on the ground, that had tried
to tackle him, and nobody did.
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Look at that. Turnover by--
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Well, that's
good defense right there
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by Tyler Sash.
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Money. That's a money
shot right there.
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Tyler Sash, 7 carries,
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114 yards and a touchdown.
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Average 16 yards
a carry tonight for Sash.
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Hey, I tell you
what, fellas, uh,
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the kid's got some talent,
don't you think?
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He's one of those guys that
would just take a contest over,
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whether it was basketball,
whether it was football,
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whether it was track, he just
took it to another level.
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What I really
liked about Tyler
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was, he is so
coachable for us.
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And he was always,
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always wanting to learn
more and more and more.
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He thought he was going
to play college basketball
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his whole life.
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Oskaloosa, they had, uh,
this one kid
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that basically scored, uh,
36 of their 40 points.
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I'll never forget coming
back and telling our staff
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that Monday morning, I said,
"You know, I think I saw
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the next Steve Alford,"
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because he was
a legendary player in Indiana,
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you know, growing up,
so I figured
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he's going to be a Division
One basketball player.
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Did he set any records?
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Oh yeah, he had-- I don't--
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I couldn't even tell you,
my husband could tell you.
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He-- Tyler held
like 20 or 30 records.
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He holds our
100 meter dash record,
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10.65 at the high school.
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You look at even
just the basketball ones,
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he's known for football,
51 points in a game,
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12 threes in a game.
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That's-- that's never
going to be touched.
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I mean, that-- those are
things that people dream of.
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When did you decide
football full time?
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How long ago,
how many years ago was that?
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Um, well, my sophomore year,
not a lot of people know this.
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My sophomore year, um,
I told my dad,
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"I'm not playing
football this year."
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And he goes,
"No, you're going to put--"
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He basically made me
play one more year.
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And he's like, "You're going to
play and see how you like it."
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And, um, Coach Schumacher
at the time,
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moved me up to varsity and, um,
I-- I don't like talking about
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being all state or all this,
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whatever, but I ended up
making all state.
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And I was like,
"All right, this isn't so bad."
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Moved into high school,
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he really became
a-- a multi-sport athlete,
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and certainly
got our attention.
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Uh, as a football player, he's
a guy that we really liked,
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and I remember
distinctly, uh, talking to him
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and offering him
a scholarship.
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I believe he was on his way
home, uh, his junior year
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from the state championship,
the track-- track
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championship. So, he was
driving home from Des Moines,
247
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and I had him on the phone.
248
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That's when we offered
him the scholarship.
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And, uh, fortunately for us,
250
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he decided to come to
the University of Iowa.
251
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Throws right
to the Hawkeye.
252
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Tyler Sash lateralled
the ball off.
253
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Inside the five,
lunging, touchdown!
254
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It's all made
possible by Tyler Sash.
255
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He was at
the University of Iowa,
256
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and, um, he went down to
the cheerleaders one night,
257
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and he asked 'em
what they did with
258
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all those shirts over there.
259
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And they said,
well, they, you know,
260
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they, um, would shoot them up
into the crowd and stuff.
261
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And he said,
"Could I have some--"
262
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Here's the new
football stadium.
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He said,
"Could I have some of those?"
264
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And they said, "Sure."
So, what'd he do?
265
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He took a bunch of them, and
he went over
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to the handicapped section,
267
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and gave them
to all the handicapped kids
268
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sitting in the front row,
in their wheelchairs.
269
00:12:11,064 --> 00:12:12,566
Look at this
motion right here.
270
00:12:12,858 --> 00:12:14,108
Willis is, uh, throwing back.
271
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Play fake.
272
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And batted down from behind,
it's loose!
273
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Iowa on the move! Tyler Sash!
274
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Gonna take it back!
275
00:12:23,994 --> 00:12:27,331
Trick-or-treat, Iowa city!
276
00:12:31,877 --> 00:12:33,712
Well, you know, the most
famous play certainly is the,
277
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uh, you know, the, uh,
ricochet play against Indiana.
278
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And-- and, uh, that was
a game where we were,
279
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you know,
we were going down. Uh...
280
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They came in here and
got off to a real fast start,
281
00:12:43,305 --> 00:12:44,972
and-- and we never
got our hands up.
282
00:12:44,973 --> 00:12:47,016
I mean, we never
put up a fight at all.
283
00:12:47,017 --> 00:12:49,894
So, had they,
Indiana scored at that point,
284
00:12:49,895 --> 00:12:51,562
I think that game's over
and, you know,
285
00:12:51,563 --> 00:12:53,189
it was just one of
those things where, you know,
286
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he comes out
and makes a huge play,
287
00:12:54,733 --> 00:12:56,526
but, uh, he made
a lot of those.
288
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That was kind
of typical of his career.
289
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A lot of people say,
290
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even a lot of the analysts,
291
00:13:01,073 --> 00:13:02,365
say you just have
a nose for the ball.
292
00:13:02,366 --> 00:13:04,283
Where does that come from?
293
00:13:04,284 --> 00:13:05,993
Oh, you know, I don't know if
it's from playing basketball,
294
00:13:05,994 --> 00:13:07,620
playing point guard,
because I always had the ball
295
00:13:07,621 --> 00:13:08,746
in my hand, so maybe
I'm attracted to the ball.
296
00:13:08,747 --> 00:13:09,665
I don't know. I just--
297
00:13:09,957 --> 00:13:11,791
I just work hard
and practice,
298
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try to put myself
in those situations,
299
00:13:13,460 --> 00:13:15,461
and it translates--
translates to the game.
300
00:13:15,462 --> 00:13:17,297
He was picked
in the sixth round
301
00:13:18,131 --> 00:13:19,633
with the New York Giants.
302
00:13:20,634 --> 00:13:23,554
And, uh, it was kind of
a really stressful day.
303
00:13:23,846 --> 00:13:25,305
Me and him actually
were roommates
304
00:13:25,556 --> 00:13:27,390
for our first two years, uh,
with the New York Giants.
305
00:13:27,391 --> 00:13:31,186
Um, we, we did everything
together. I lived with Tyler.
306
00:13:31,478 --> 00:13:34,522
So, you know, he's playing
his music all day, every day.
307
00:13:34,523 --> 00:13:36,566
We went to the mall together.
We were going out together,
308
00:13:36,567 --> 00:13:38,902
every-- I mean, for all
intents and purposes, I mean,
309
00:13:39,194 --> 00:13:42,363
he was probably my best friend
in my times with the Giants.
310
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And Spencer Paysinger comes away
311
00:13:44,575 --> 00:13:45,659
with the football.
312
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The biggest concussion
313
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that I was around for,
314
00:13:51,331 --> 00:13:53,876
it was the NFC championship
game against the 49ers.
315
00:13:54,168 --> 00:13:55,960
And it's-- it was just
a physical game.
316
00:13:55,961 --> 00:13:57,880
Like if anybody asks, it's--
317
00:13:58,338 --> 00:14:00,882
that game was the hardest
game I've ever played.
318
00:14:00,883 --> 00:14:04,969
One of the 49ers
defensive ends, peels back.
319
00:14:04,970 --> 00:14:06,345
Tyler doesn't see him.
320
00:14:06,346 --> 00:14:09,098
He sees Tyler
and hit him so hard,
321
00:14:09,099 --> 00:14:12,727
he actually flipped
and slammed him to the ground.
322
00:14:12,728 --> 00:14:14,938
A player down for the Giants.
323
00:14:15,230 --> 00:14:16,732
That's Sash.
324
00:14:20,068 --> 00:14:23,030
He spun around like a rag
doll, and our TV went off.
325
00:14:24,573 --> 00:14:25,908
Perfect timing.
326
00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,202
I'm looking around like,
"Oh, where did Tyler go?"
327
00:14:28,702 --> 00:14:30,786
So, I called my older son.
328
00:14:30,787 --> 00:14:32,371
He said that
they were tweeting out
329
00:14:32,372 --> 00:14:34,708
that my son was--
was unconscious.
330
00:14:41,256 --> 00:14:43,091
Oskaloosa's very own
Tyler Sash
331
00:14:43,383 --> 00:14:45,426
is heading to
the Super Bowl this Sunday.
332
00:14:45,427 --> 00:14:48,096
The Giants rookie suffered
a concussion two weeks ago
333
00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:51,350
in the NFC championship
game against the 49ers.
334
00:14:51,642 --> 00:14:53,435
The 23-year old
has been examined
335
00:14:53,727 --> 00:14:55,562
and cleared
by team officials to suit up
336
00:14:55,854 --> 00:14:57,439
for the big game this weekend.
337
00:14:57,731 --> 00:14:59,233
I mean, I've watched every
Super Bowl since I can remember
338
00:14:59,483 --> 00:15:02,318
and for some people, this
is a once-in-a-lifetime thing.
339
00:15:02,319 --> 00:15:04,028
And being a rookie,
I-- I'm blessed.
340
00:15:04,029 --> 00:15:06,323
Uh, first year in,
I'm-- I'm in the Super--
341
00:15:12,496 --> 00:15:16,457
The game ends
here! To the end zone.
342
00:15:16,458 --> 00:15:18,627
Hernandez is there,
tipped and batted.
343
00:15:18,919 --> 00:15:21,295
Gronkowski can't get it.
Incomplete.
344
00:15:21,296 --> 00:15:25,425
And the New York Giants
are the Super Bowl champs.
345
00:15:25,717 --> 00:15:28,594
More nervous than I-- right now
than I am for the Super Bowl,
346
00:15:28,595 --> 00:15:30,221
or than I was
for the Super Bowl.
347
00:15:30,222 --> 00:15:31,682
Tyler Sash.
348
00:15:35,936 --> 00:15:37,854
"Can I have
your autograph, Tyler?"
349
00:15:37,855 --> 00:15:39,605
And then on
the other side, it said,
350
00:15:39,606 --> 00:15:42,442
"Can you get Tom Brady's
autograph for me? You're lame."
351
00:15:45,737 --> 00:15:47,488
I don't know--
I don't know what I'm doing,
352
00:15:47,489 --> 00:15:48,699
so you gotta tell me.
353
00:15:48,991 --> 00:15:50,658
Just watch!
354
00:15:50,659 --> 00:15:52,452
You know what I mean,
how does it feel
355
00:15:52,744 --> 00:15:54,662
to be a Super Bowl champ? I
know you've heard it all week.
356
00:15:54,663 --> 00:15:56,582
You know, it--
it's crazy just to think about
357
00:15:56,874 --> 00:16:01,170
um, being on a team that is
the best team in the world,
358
00:16:01,461 --> 00:16:02,671
you know, at-- at whatever.
359
00:16:05,465 --> 00:16:08,217
We met back in second grade.
360
00:16:08,218 --> 00:16:10,094
He was homeschooled,
361
00:16:10,095 --> 00:16:13,055
and he came to Whittier
Elementary for that year.
362
00:16:13,056 --> 00:16:15,851
And then, um, he came back
in seventh grade.
363
00:16:16,143 --> 00:16:19,228
So, we graduated together,
known him ever since then.
364
00:16:19,229 --> 00:16:21,272
I think we
are just a lot alike.
365
00:16:21,273 --> 00:16:23,983
I always say he's like
the male version of me.
366
00:16:23,984 --> 00:16:25,819
We'd finish
each other's sentences.
367
00:16:26,111 --> 00:16:28,154
Um, we had the same ideas.
368
00:16:28,155 --> 00:16:30,240
We were just two of a kind.
369
00:16:30,824 --> 00:16:32,701
Are we ready? Is it shooting?
370
00:16:32,993 --> 00:16:34,744
I'm wearing
an Iowa shirt tomorrow,
371
00:16:34,745 --> 00:16:36,412
and I will
do cartwheels all day.
372
00:16:36,413 --> 00:16:37,623
Thank you very much.
373
00:16:41,376 --> 00:16:43,002
He's in the NFL!
374
00:16:43,003 --> 00:16:44,963
- Oh, God! God!
- It's a video! Woo!
375
00:16:45,422 --> 00:16:48,216
Justin... Justin
got kicked out of Lit.
376
00:16:48,217 --> 00:16:50,552
Oh, here, New York Giants,
New England Patriots.
377
00:16:50,844 --> 00:16:54,472
He got the game ball,
um, was presented to him.
378
00:16:54,473 --> 00:16:56,725
He said he actually,
I think he got his,
379
00:16:57,017 --> 00:16:59,520
I think that he sacked,
uh, what's his name?
380
00:17:00,562 --> 00:17:01,605
Well, you know,
what's his name?
381
00:17:03,398 --> 00:17:04,482
- Tom Brady.
- From the Patriots,
382
00:17:04,483 --> 00:17:06,108
what's his name? Tom Brady.
383
00:17:06,109 --> 00:17:08,487
And he-- I think he did
in the preseason too,
384
00:17:08,779 --> 00:17:10,571
his first year
he was able to do that.
385
00:17:10,572 --> 00:17:12,157
But he got the game ball
because he played,
386
00:17:12,449 --> 00:17:14,784
you know,
played well on special teams.
387
00:17:14,785 --> 00:17:16,787
They called Tyler
"White Chocolate."
388
00:17:17,329 --> 00:17:19,455
Or they'd say,
"Where's Weirdo?"
389
00:17:19,456 --> 00:17:20,957
You know,
instead of, "Where's Waldo?"
390
00:17:20,958 --> 00:17:22,417
You know, because he was
the only white guy.
391
00:17:22,709 --> 00:17:24,628
I don't know, because
he was the only white guy.
392
00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,964
And he really
liked his coaches there, and--
393
00:17:27,965 --> 00:17:30,925
Antrel Rolle on
the defensive backfield
394
00:17:30,926 --> 00:17:32,636
was one of
his really close friends.
395
00:17:32,928 --> 00:17:34,887
No, I was just
joking about
396
00:17:34,888 --> 00:17:37,473
the, uh, the whole key to
the city in Oskaloosa thing.
397
00:17:37,474 --> 00:17:39,935
It was just a joke. But I was
just trying to--
398
00:17:40,227 --> 00:17:42,019
trying to make a point
399
00:17:42,020 --> 00:17:44,480
on, uh, how-- how big it
really was with that game.
400
00:17:44,481 --> 00:17:47,024
You know, it's, uh-- getting
a key to New York City,
401
00:17:47,025 --> 00:17:48,609
that's pretty,
pretty incredible.
402
00:17:48,610 --> 00:17:51,029
The people here in
Iowa caught wind of that,
403
00:17:51,822 --> 00:17:54,490
and they decided they were
going to make him a key.
404
00:17:54,491 --> 00:17:56,285
We have a foundry
here in town,
405
00:17:56,827 --> 00:17:59,495
and they came up with a key.
406
00:17:59,496 --> 00:18:02,457
So, he had to accept
the key to the city.
407
00:18:02,749 --> 00:18:05,043
He had to give a speech,
and he was a nervous wreck
408
00:18:05,335 --> 00:18:07,462
about getting--
Having to give a speech.
409
00:18:07,754 --> 00:18:10,339
It's with great pleasure
that I present you with this,
410
00:18:10,340 --> 00:18:11,592
the key to
the city of Oskaloosa.
411
00:18:11,884 --> 00:18:14,094
Congratulations.
It's well deserved.
412
00:18:23,312 --> 00:18:26,440
Hopefully, this opens Jaarsma
Bakery on Sunday mornings.
413
00:18:28,775 --> 00:18:30,277
Okay, I'm trying--
I'm going to try to
414
00:18:30,611 --> 00:18:32,487
keep giving back to this
community as much as I can,
415
00:18:32,779 --> 00:18:35,657
and, uh, help put Oskaloosa on
the map as much as we can.
416
00:18:35,949 --> 00:18:38,367
Definitely going to
be-- be put on the top shelf,
417
00:18:38,368 --> 00:18:41,245
uh, put the New York City key
on the shelf below.
418
00:18:41,246 --> 00:18:42,664
You know,
this is where I'm from,
419
00:18:42,956 --> 00:18:45,501
always be from here, uh,
be from the state of Iowa,
420
00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:47,544
and I'm-- I'm happy to
represent the state of Iowa.
421
00:19:02,851 --> 00:19:07,022
During his second year
with the New York Giants,
422
00:19:07,314 --> 00:19:11,193
he was having to give-- after
being a Super Bowl champion,
423
00:19:11,485 --> 00:19:12,985
Tyler's probably more like me
424
00:19:12,986 --> 00:19:15,780
where he doesn't love to
stand up on a podium
425
00:19:15,781 --> 00:19:17,491
and talk to--
In front of people.
426
00:19:17,783 --> 00:19:22,037
And he was invited to
some other, um, sports shows.
427
00:19:22,329 --> 00:19:24,330
So, he was so nervous about it.
428
00:19:24,331 --> 00:19:26,499
He went to a doctor
here in town,
429
00:19:26,500 --> 00:19:27,876
and was prescribed Adderall
430
00:19:28,168 --> 00:19:30,044
because he said,
"I can't focus."
431
00:19:30,045 --> 00:19:31,547
You know,
"Like, I have a hard time
432
00:19:31,839 --> 00:19:33,507
focusing because
I'm so nervous."
433
00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:34,800
He only had
434
00:19:35,259 --> 00:19:37,719
a-- a prescription
for-- for Adderall.
435
00:19:38,011 --> 00:19:42,139
And here he gave a speech over
here at William Penn University
436
00:19:42,140 --> 00:19:45,519
when they, uh, awarded him
the key to the city.
437
00:19:45,811 --> 00:19:47,896
After he did
that interview,
438
00:19:48,188 --> 00:19:50,023
for some unknown reason,
439
00:19:50,899 --> 00:19:53,067
somebody drove to Oskaloosa
440
00:19:53,068 --> 00:19:56,362
and tested his urine
for the NFL.
441
00:19:56,363 --> 00:19:58,407
And he knew from that point,
442
00:19:58,699 --> 00:20:01,075
um, talking to him
about it later on,
443
00:20:01,076 --> 00:20:04,328
and him telling us it was
probably going to--
444
00:20:04,329 --> 00:20:06,456
to come out in the news
445
00:20:06,748 --> 00:20:10,751
that-- that he'd tested
positive for a drug.
446
00:20:10,752 --> 00:20:12,920
He didn't follow
the proper protocol.
447
00:20:12,921 --> 00:20:15,716
So, he was suspended
for the first four games,
448
00:20:16,008 --> 00:20:18,010
because he tested
positive for Adderall.
449
00:20:18,552 --> 00:20:22,055
Even Tom Coughlin, his coach
for the New York Giants,
450
00:20:22,347 --> 00:20:24,348
stood in his defense and said,
451
00:20:24,349 --> 00:20:26,602
"This is a kid
who follows every single rule
452
00:20:26,894 --> 00:20:28,603
we ask him to follow,
453
00:20:28,604 --> 00:20:31,606
who jumps through every hoop,
and such a good kid.
454
00:20:31,607 --> 00:20:33,483
And for him
to be slapped on the hand
455
00:20:33,775 --> 00:20:37,613
because he was taking
a prescription drug
456
00:20:37,905 --> 00:20:41,199
that he has a prescription for
is just silly."
457
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,536
I-- I definitely, um, he didn't
have to accept to see me.
458
00:20:44,828 --> 00:20:47,330
And, uh, since
he did accept to see me,
459
00:20:47,331 --> 00:20:52,503
you never know if maybe he'll
reduce it or take it away or,
460
00:20:52,794 --> 00:20:55,171
you know, I might-- I might
still have the four games.
461
00:20:55,172 --> 00:20:58,257
So, you know, um, I just
want more of an explanation.
462
00:20:58,258 --> 00:21:01,553
Um, there's been some cases
that I know of, and
463
00:21:01,845 --> 00:21:04,013
um, that-- that people have
gotten off, um,
464
00:21:04,014 --> 00:21:05,682
with the same exact thing
as me.
465
00:21:05,974 --> 00:21:09,936
So I just want to know what
mine-- Why mine is different.
466
00:21:09,937 --> 00:21:13,273
My son was so confident
that he was right
467
00:21:13,565 --> 00:21:15,358
and he didn't break any rules.
468
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,028
He made an appointment
to go see Commissioner Goodell,
469
00:21:18,946 --> 00:21:22,366
and he-- he was sure of
himself that he would see it.
470
00:21:23,283 --> 00:21:24,951
He said,
"Well, Tyler," you know,
471
00:21:24,952 --> 00:21:27,328
he said, "Sorry,
but rules are rules."
472
00:21:27,329 --> 00:21:29,413
Tyler tried to explain that
473
00:21:29,414 --> 00:21:31,582
there was these other guys
that did so much worse,
474
00:21:31,583 --> 00:21:34,002
and they didn't even
get anything like he did.
475
00:21:34,586 --> 00:21:37,547
He felt like they made
an example out of him,
476
00:21:37,548 --> 00:21:40,341
and he was
so not happy about that.
477
00:21:40,342 --> 00:21:43,512
And so, he felt like
that cost him his chance
478
00:21:43,804 --> 00:21:47,641
at a starting position for,
you know, as safety that year.
479
00:21:47,933 --> 00:21:50,309
The Giants safety was
penalized back in March
480
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:52,353
for taking Adderall
without filling out
481
00:21:52,354 --> 00:21:54,105
the proper paperwork
with the league.
482
00:21:54,106 --> 00:21:56,441
Sash said the drug was
prescribed by a doctor
483
00:21:56,733 --> 00:21:58,819
to manage his anxiety
during public speaking events
484
00:21:59,111 --> 00:22:00,362
during the off season.
485
00:22:00,654 --> 00:22:03,614
He was fined somewhere
in the range
486
00:22:03,615 --> 00:22:07,326
of $100,000, and he had
to sit out for four--
487
00:22:07,327 --> 00:22:08,745
four games.
488
00:22:09,037 --> 00:22:10,622
And so then he,
from that point in the season,
489
00:22:10,914 --> 00:22:14,710
he struggled with ankle
injuries and-- and shoulder.
490
00:22:15,002 --> 00:22:16,377
Uh, I feel like, uh, you know,
491
00:22:16,378 --> 00:22:17,796
everybody's competing
every year.
492
00:22:18,088 --> 00:22:20,006
Every day. I'm just trying
to come out and improve
493
00:22:20,007 --> 00:22:21,592
and get better every day.
494
00:22:21,884 --> 00:22:23,719
And, you know, I know what kind
of a football player I am
495
00:22:24,011 --> 00:22:27,597
and, uh, that I can help
any team out that needs help.
496
00:22:27,598 --> 00:22:28,807
Of course,
it's a business,
497
00:22:29,099 --> 00:22:31,351
and so
you're always skeptical and--
498
00:22:31,643 --> 00:22:34,354
and somewhat nervous about
making the team
499
00:22:34,646 --> 00:22:37,523
when they cut down to that--
to that roster.
500
00:22:37,524 --> 00:22:40,611
And his,
his coaches had assured him
501
00:22:40,903 --> 00:22:44,656
that he had nothing
to worry about at all. Um...
502
00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:48,452
Well, he got released
going into our third year.
503
00:22:48,744 --> 00:22:50,453
Uh, he had a couple
of concussions,
504
00:22:50,454 --> 00:22:52,456
and it just got to the point
where they didn't know
505
00:22:52,748 --> 00:22:55,042
if he was going to be able to,
you know, play at a high level.
506
00:22:55,959 --> 00:22:59,045
And then I knew, uh,
after that third one,
507
00:22:59,046 --> 00:23:01,255
that his third year there
508
00:23:01,256 --> 00:23:04,217
in that preseason game,
he got hit really hard.
509
00:23:04,218 --> 00:23:06,136
Well, I don't think
he ever recovered from that.
510
00:23:06,428 --> 00:23:08,137
Quite a surprise
that he was cut.
511
00:23:08,138 --> 00:23:12,266
He was shocked
and of course, you know, he--
512
00:23:12,267 --> 00:23:14,477
That-- that fire though was,
513
00:23:14,478 --> 00:23:18,314
was in him that he was gonna
get picked up by another team.
514
00:23:18,315 --> 00:23:19,942
He couldn't--
He wasn't cleared,
515
00:23:20,234 --> 00:23:23,570
but he packed his stuff anyways
and drove from New York
516
00:23:23,862 --> 00:23:26,490
to Iowa so he could be ready.
517
00:23:29,618 --> 00:23:32,495
That's not a good thing.
518
00:23:32,496 --> 00:23:36,792
The eating here is,
it's good, but it's really bad.
519
00:23:37,376 --> 00:23:40,462
Probably came out the ocean
that day, or the day before.
520
00:23:40,754 --> 00:23:42,881
Yeah. I mean,
you down on the Gulf coast?
521
00:23:43,173 --> 00:23:44,674
where were y'all at, boat?
522
00:23:44,675 --> 00:23:48,594
There should be a--
How to turn it off.
523
00:23:48,595 --> 00:23:50,722
All of a sudden
I got balloons popping.
524
00:23:52,391 --> 00:23:54,309
You're not the only
person for this topic.
525
00:23:55,352 --> 00:23:58,313
I figured
that it was not on purpose.
526
00:23:58,605 --> 00:24:00,356
No, it was
not on purpose.
527
00:24:00,357 --> 00:24:02,275
It isn't, okay,
look at my hat.
528
00:24:02,276 --> 00:24:03,861
You smell.
529
00:24:05,612 --> 00:24:08,531
Atlanta has selected
Brett Favre,
530
00:24:08,532 --> 00:24:10,200
quarterback,
Southern Mississippi.
531
00:24:11,493 --> 00:24:15,329
I played, uh, 20 seasons in
the National Football League.
532
00:24:15,330 --> 00:24:16,748
Favre, ball down.
533
00:24:18,917 --> 00:24:20,586
Brett Favre!
534
00:24:21,378 --> 00:24:23,838
If you count college,
I played all four years
535
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:25,799
and started
all four years in college.
536
00:24:26,091 --> 00:24:30,012
So, 24. If you count high
school, 26. So, a long time.
537
00:24:31,138 --> 00:24:33,223
Favre bringing it
in for a touchdown.
538
00:24:33,515 --> 00:24:34,433
Look at my kid.
539
00:24:35,434 --> 00:24:38,228
Look at this kid.
High school! Take a look!
540
00:24:39,438 --> 00:24:42,523
I can't tell you how many times
my head hits the turf...
541
00:24:42,524 --> 00:24:44,484
and stars
542
00:24:44,776 --> 00:24:46,862
or fireworks
or whatever went off.
543
00:24:47,154 --> 00:24:49,030
Uh, did I lose my memory?
544
00:24:49,031 --> 00:24:52,408
No, not really.
Was I foggy? Yeah.
545
00:24:52,409 --> 00:24:55,494
Was I able to play?
Yeah. I never thought about it.
546
00:24:55,495 --> 00:24:57,288
I didn't think
that was a concussion.
547
00:24:57,289 --> 00:24:58,707
It's hard to even
put a number on...
548
00:24:59,833 --> 00:25:01,585
how many of those I had.
549
00:25:01,877 --> 00:25:03,003
There's an unwritten rule.
550
00:25:03,295 --> 00:25:04,796
You can't make the club
in the tub.
551
00:25:05,088 --> 00:25:10,135
If-- if-- if you're hurt,
sometimes, it's legitimate.
552
00:25:10,427 --> 00:25:12,303
Other times, you question it.
553
00:25:12,304 --> 00:25:16,141
But if-- if you're not playing,
you know,
554
00:25:16,433 --> 00:25:17,851
eventually they're not paying.
555
00:25:18,143 --> 00:25:20,854
And I got my job
because the guy in front of me
556
00:25:21,146 --> 00:25:22,272
sprained-- sprained his ankle.
557
00:25:22,564 --> 00:25:25,107
No one knew who I was,
including me.
558
00:25:25,108 --> 00:25:28,403
And I was thrust into the--
to the spotlight.
559
00:25:28,695 --> 00:25:30,404
And here is
the quarterback
560
00:25:30,405 --> 00:25:33,116
for the Green Bay Packers,
Brett Favre.
561
00:25:33,408 --> 00:25:37,286
Don Makowski, who had
been a very good quarterback,
562
00:25:37,287 --> 00:25:38,789
and I'm sure he thought,
"This guy'll screw it up.
563
00:25:39,081 --> 00:25:40,498
I'll be back soon."
564
00:25:40,499 --> 00:25:42,584
20 years later,
he's still waiting.
565
00:25:42,876 --> 00:25:44,670
Makowski under
pressure and goes down.
566
00:25:46,588 --> 00:25:48,631
And here's second year
quarterback, Brett Favre,
567
00:25:48,632 --> 00:25:50,926
out of Southern Mississippi,
by way of the Atlanta Falcons.
568
00:25:51,218 --> 00:25:53,344
With 35, 19 seconds left.
569
00:25:53,345 --> 00:25:55,556
Favre parks Brooks! Touchdown!
570
00:25:59,518 --> 00:26:01,769
No one would know
who Tom Brady is
571
00:26:01,770 --> 00:26:03,354
if it were not for
572
00:26:03,355 --> 00:26:05,732
a guy hitting
Drew Bledsoe on the sidelines.
573
00:26:07,693 --> 00:26:08,902
Bledsoe.
574
00:26:09,611 --> 00:26:11,445
Better run. Needs ten yards.
575
00:26:11,446 --> 00:26:13,198
Oh, a clean hit.
576
00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:15,868
Apparently, Bledsoe knocked
around a little more
577
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:20,079
than it appeared,
and, uh, Brady in charge.
578
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,332
Uh, and-- and for me, it was
always like,
579
00:26:22,624 --> 00:26:24,375
"Remember how
you got your spot.
580
00:26:24,376 --> 00:26:28,045
And remember how quickly
he lost his.
581
00:26:28,046 --> 00:26:30,424
Don't ever be a fool
and think otherwise."
582
00:26:37,181 --> 00:26:40,308
Here's your basic problem.
583
00:26:40,309 --> 00:26:46,272
The NFL dominates
American culture in a way
584
00:26:46,273 --> 00:26:49,526
that no sport in
our lifetime has ever done.
585
00:26:50,277 --> 00:26:54,114
If you actually understand
the way football is played,
586
00:26:54,823 --> 00:26:58,660
we've created a new
generation of robo-players.
587
00:26:59,286 --> 00:27:03,748
Size that was
unimaginable 20 years ago.
588
00:27:03,749 --> 00:27:09,671
If a player was standing
on the 95th story building,
589
00:27:10,464 --> 00:27:13,550
um, threatening to jump,
590
00:27:13,842 --> 00:27:16,595
he would find 10 people around
him that would say,
591
00:27:16,887 --> 00:27:21,642
"Law of gravity? Doesn't apply
to you. Go ahead, show them."
592
00:27:22,518 --> 00:27:26,897
If you are engaging in a sport
that has head contact in it,
593
00:27:28,023 --> 00:27:30,066
you might as well come
to the conclusion that
594
00:27:30,067 --> 00:27:31,902
that is going to be one
of the manifestations
595
00:27:32,194 --> 00:27:33,654
of what happens.
596
00:27:33,946 --> 00:27:35,571
Yeah, everybody knows you're
going to have bad knees
597
00:27:35,572 --> 00:27:37,282
and shoulders and elbows
and stuff like that,
598
00:27:37,574 --> 00:27:38,659
but nobody
ever mentioned the brain.
599
00:27:40,702 --> 00:27:42,662
Well, we were
just together that summer
600
00:27:42,663 --> 00:27:44,288
before he went to
New York and then
601
00:27:44,289 --> 00:27:46,458
I went back to
Iowa State to finish up school.
602
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,335
Um, we kept in contact between
then,
603
00:27:49,336 --> 00:27:52,296
but then, um, after he got
cut from the Giants,
604
00:27:52,297 --> 00:27:55,509
and he came back here,
I had since had a daughter.
605
00:27:55,801 --> 00:27:57,635
Um, she's now four.
606
00:27:57,636 --> 00:28:03,224
And um, we just kind of picked
back up where we left off.
607
00:28:03,225 --> 00:28:04,643
Listen, I got up and I said,
608
00:28:04,935 --> 00:28:07,479
"I'm finally picking up
my niece for a game."
609
00:28:13,277 --> 00:28:16,154
Ready, set... go!
610
00:28:16,446 --> 00:28:17,406
Come on, jump!
611
00:28:20,617 --> 00:28:21,785
Haelyn, say, "Roar."
612
00:28:22,077 --> 00:28:23,370
Roar!
613
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:28,082
Haelyn, look at mama.
614
00:28:28,083 --> 00:28:29,168
Say hi!
615
00:28:32,171 --> 00:28:33,714
It was one of a kind.
616
00:28:34,006 --> 00:28:37,800
Tyler was definitely
her father figure.
617
00:28:37,801 --> 00:28:39,343
Talking to him every time
618
00:28:39,344 --> 00:28:42,806
he had gone out to do
a tryout for a team.
619
00:28:43,098 --> 00:28:47,185
I remember him going to Denver,
and I can't remember the--
620
00:28:47,186 --> 00:28:49,730
the team for sure in--
in Florida,
621
00:28:50,022 --> 00:28:53,232
but going
to multiple different places.
622
00:28:53,233 --> 00:28:55,234
I want to say he also
went to the Eagles, and--
623
00:28:55,235 --> 00:29:01,241
and did tryouts, and his body
basically couldn't handle it.
624
00:29:01,533 --> 00:29:02,659
He always felt
he can deal with pain.
625
00:29:02,910 --> 00:29:05,203
Pain was nothing.
It's just a way of life.
626
00:29:05,204 --> 00:29:06,621
So, when you try to talk to him
627
00:29:06,622 --> 00:29:08,415
about stuff
like that, you know,
628
00:29:08,707 --> 00:29:10,917
kind of brush it off as in,
you know, just-- we all deal
629
00:29:10,918 --> 00:29:12,877
with it. We all have to,
you know, worry about it,
630
00:29:12,878 --> 00:29:14,463
so we don't even need
to talk about it.
631
00:29:14,755 --> 00:29:18,174
He-- he had thrown up for,
632
00:29:18,175 --> 00:29:20,844
I'd say, six months
after that last concussion.
633
00:29:21,136 --> 00:29:25,140
Well, he was confused in
that he kept repeating himself
634
00:29:25,432 --> 00:29:28,184
over and over and over,
about things that were going on
635
00:29:28,185 --> 00:29:31,103
during the game, or stories
that he was telling us.
636
00:29:31,104 --> 00:29:34,190
And, you know, his brother
finally said to him,
637
00:29:34,191 --> 00:29:37,319
"Ty, you've already told us
that three or four times."
638
00:29:37,611 --> 00:29:41,615
I felt sad because I thought
his brother didn't understand,
639
00:29:41,907 --> 00:29:43,407
and I didn't understand,
640
00:29:43,408 --> 00:29:46,202
but I-- I knew that
something was not right.
641
00:29:46,203 --> 00:29:48,080
His mom told me about some
things that--
642
00:29:48,372 --> 00:29:49,331
that, uh, he was doing,
643
00:29:49,581 --> 00:29:51,457
you know,
asking repetitive things
644
00:29:51,458 --> 00:29:55,211
and leaving the door open,
leaving the refrigerator open,
645
00:29:55,212 --> 00:29:58,131
milk on the, you know,
on the counter,
646
00:29:58,423 --> 00:30:01,552
all sorts of things that
I didn't know was happening.
647
00:30:02,553 --> 00:30:05,681
And Tyler was so
excited about the opportunity.
648
00:30:05,973 --> 00:30:07,891
And then like,
tomorrow you'd ask Tyler,
649
00:30:08,183 --> 00:30:09,768
well, has Charles called? "No."
650
00:30:10,060 --> 00:30:12,437
You know, like he-- it was
like he didn't even remember.
651
00:30:12,729 --> 00:30:14,480
Right.
652
00:30:14,481 --> 00:30:17,275
So I had never actually
heard of CTE at all.
653
00:30:17,276 --> 00:30:20,319
My thinking was,
I have no idea what that is.
654
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,864
And so I immediately Googled it.
655
00:30:22,155 --> 00:30:24,949
And I-- I went down
the list of--
656
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:28,703
the list of symptoms,
and it was unbelievable.
657
00:30:28,704 --> 00:30:30,413
I looked at his girlfriend,
658
00:30:30,414 --> 00:30:32,291
her and I sat there
on the couch right here, and--
659
00:30:32,583 --> 00:30:36,252
And, I was like,
this is Tyler,
660
00:30:36,253 --> 00:30:39,506
a hundred percent,
like every single one of them,
661
00:30:39,798 --> 00:30:43,009
the anxiety, the depression,
the sleeplessness.
662
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:46,220
When you think about concussion,
663
00:30:46,221 --> 00:30:48,973
no one concussion's
really the same.
664
00:30:48,974 --> 00:30:52,561
You see different symptoms like
headaches, you see dizziness,
665
00:30:52,853 --> 00:30:55,230
you'll hear fogginess,
you know, you'll hear things
666
00:30:55,522 --> 00:30:58,149
like sleep deprivation
that are associated with it.
667
00:30:58,150 --> 00:31:01,195
But ultimately, that means
it's very heterogeneous.
668
00:31:01,612 --> 00:31:03,989
Um, the brain,
there's no one brain the same.
669
00:31:04,281 --> 00:31:05,866
If I get hit here
and you get hit here,
670
00:31:06,158 --> 00:31:07,743
it might be a little
bit different response.
671
00:31:08,035 --> 00:31:09,453
And that's the thing about--
672
00:31:09,745 --> 00:31:12,580
about concussions is,
you don't necessarily
673
00:31:12,581 --> 00:31:15,542
have to have a thousand to
have worse brain damage.
674
00:31:15,834 --> 00:31:19,295
You can suffer one concussion,
and the repercussions
675
00:31:19,296 --> 00:31:21,798
could be as bad as
having five thousand.
676
00:31:24,009 --> 00:31:27,595
We went five and six,
we lost three games
677
00:31:27,596 --> 00:31:29,848
by a point,
uh, each game by a point.
678
00:31:30,140 --> 00:31:31,850
Did you beat 'Bama
that year or the year before?
679
00:31:32,142 --> 00:31:34,228
- We didn't play 'em that year.
- Right.
680
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,315
No, we did play 'em.
We did play 'em. Uh...
681
00:31:38,815 --> 00:31:40,776
You guys
beat Alabama when you played?
682
00:31:41,401 --> 00:31:43,904
Why are you acting so surprised?
We beat Alabama.
683
00:31:44,196 --> 00:31:45,863
They haven't
lost in...
684
00:31:45,864 --> 00:31:47,908
We beat Alabama, and
we beat them up and down
685
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,538
the field and we lost, si--
uh, 16-14.
686
00:31:52,829 --> 00:31:55,999
We kicked field goal in, and--
and our straight on kicker,
687
00:31:56,291 --> 00:32:00,671
I'll never forget, his name's
Stump, Jim Taylor, and just--
688
00:32:00,963 --> 00:32:02,588
hit it. I mean,
it's like 20 yards.
689
00:32:02,589 --> 00:32:04,423
We lost him and then
the next week,
690
00:32:04,424 --> 00:32:06,677
we go to Auburn and
play, and we beat Auburn.
691
00:32:07,761 --> 00:32:09,595
I-if you can
imagine two guys,
692
00:32:09,596 --> 00:32:11,390
two big grown men,
693
00:32:12,015 --> 00:32:14,768
running from opposite sides of
the field, full speed,
694
00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:17,646
and running to each other,
that's exactly what it is.
695
00:32:17,938 --> 00:32:22,525
It's like having a bunch
of accidents within three hours.
696
00:32:22,526 --> 00:32:25,611
You know, I know that, uh,
we're all gonna have it.
697
00:32:25,612 --> 00:32:27,572
I know that it's in me.
698
00:32:27,573 --> 00:32:30,492
I know it's in a lot of
players that played in the NFL,
699
00:32:30,784 --> 00:32:34,745
especially those that played
right from Pop Warner.
700
00:32:34,746 --> 00:32:36,331
You know,
you played all your life.
701
00:32:36,623 --> 00:32:38,458
Uh, you're gonna have
some kind of damage
702
00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:40,126
when you keep hitting heads.
703
00:32:40,127 --> 00:32:41,460
You got
a little headache.
704
00:32:41,461 --> 00:32:43,088
You got a little dizziness.
705
00:32:43,380 --> 00:32:48,259
You make millions of dollars
versus out on the street.
706
00:32:48,260 --> 00:32:50,469
I-- I'm gonna take
the dizziness and just
707
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:52,139
try to go back in and play.
708
00:32:52,848 --> 00:32:56,810
But then at 50, when no one else
is, you know, worried about you,
709
00:32:57,102 --> 00:33:01,565
no one cares, what, you know,
what are you gonna be like?
710
00:33:01,857 --> 00:33:04,610
Mo-- for the most part,
people that live here, you know,
711
00:33:04,902 --> 00:33:07,738
they might say hello,
but, uh, they're good about it.
712
00:33:23,754 --> 00:33:27,882
For me, it's a bit
like, uh, Sherlock and Holmes.
713
00:33:27,883 --> 00:33:29,258
You know, you--
you've got the patient,
714
00:33:29,259 --> 00:33:31,303
you've got the--
the clinical symptoms.
715
00:33:31,595 --> 00:33:33,262
Last month,
Dr. Anne McKee
716
00:33:33,263 --> 00:33:35,599
was named the 2017
Bostonian of the Year
717
00:33:35,891 --> 00:33:37,559
by the Boston Globe
for all this work.
718
00:33:37,851 --> 00:33:41,020
And were recently named
the Time 2018 on the list
719
00:33:41,021 --> 00:33:44,691
of the 100 most influential
people in the world.
720
00:33:45,025 --> 00:33:46,735
I unequivocally
think there's a link
721
00:33:47,027 --> 00:33:49,237
between playing football
and CTE.
722
00:33:49,238 --> 00:33:51,155
But the fact
that over five years,
723
00:33:51,156 --> 00:33:54,659
I've been able to
accumulate this number of cases
724
00:33:54,660 --> 00:33:58,163
in football players,
ca-- uh, it cannot be rare.
725
00:33:58,580 --> 00:34:02,208
And the other feature of CTE is
that the individual themselves,
726
00:34:02,209 --> 00:34:05,003
uh, complains that they can't
control their mind.
727
00:34:05,295 --> 00:34:08,005
They have these, uh, impulses,
they want to behave
728
00:34:08,006 --> 00:34:11,051
in certain ways,
and it's very difficult for them
729
00:34:11,343 --> 00:34:15,805
to control this-- these thought
processes or these actions.
730
00:34:15,806 --> 00:34:19,225
My first year in
Atlanta, we-- I get drafted
731
00:34:19,226 --> 00:34:22,563
by Atlanta. A week before
this regular season starts,
732
00:34:22,855 --> 00:34:25,815
they cut every quarterback
except the starter and myself.
733
00:34:25,816 --> 00:34:27,526
I'm like, man,
this is pretty good.
734
00:34:27,818 --> 00:34:29,653
Why I was thinking that,
735
00:34:29,945 --> 00:34:33,824
I have no idea. I put on 25
pounds in about four weeks.
736
00:34:34,116 --> 00:34:36,951
I was drinking a lot of beer,
eating a lot of hot wings.
737
00:34:36,952 --> 00:34:38,704
And I'm thinking,
this is a good thing.
738
00:34:38,996 --> 00:34:41,415
Well-- no more than I said that,
739
00:34:41,707 --> 00:34:43,542
they bring
in Billy Joe Tolliver.
740
00:34:43,834 --> 00:34:45,544
Jim's walking in the building.
They had just traded for him.
741
00:34:45,836 --> 00:34:47,671
He was a starter in
San Diego for a while.
742
00:34:48,755 --> 00:34:52,801
And, uh, firecracker red hair,
cocky as all get out.
743
00:34:53,385 --> 00:34:55,052
Worse than me.
744
00:34:55,053 --> 00:34:58,473
We hit it off, but
we hated each other at first.
745
00:34:58,765 --> 00:35:01,643
And we sort of hated each other,
kinda, even when we hit it off.
746
00:35:02,477 --> 00:35:04,896
But I had a strong arm.
And one thing I knew,
747
00:35:04,897 --> 00:35:07,065
I didn't
think anybody in the country,
748
00:35:07,608 --> 00:35:10,526
or in the world, could throw it
as hard-- as-- as far as me.
749
00:35:10,527 --> 00:35:12,195
That was kind of my deal.
750
00:35:12,196 --> 00:35:15,199
He was f-five, six years
older than me, been around.
751
00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:16,491
So he kind of pushed me around.
752
00:35:16,783 --> 00:35:18,452
Hey-- hey, rookie,
carry my helmet.
753
00:35:18,744 --> 00:35:20,494
I'm like,
I ain't carrying your helmet.
754
00:35:20,495 --> 00:35:24,540
I said, I tell you what,
I challenge you to a throw off,
755
00:35:24,541 --> 00:35:26,418
'cause he had a strong arm.
I said--
756
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:29,128
He said, oh, ,
let's do it.
757
00:35:29,129 --> 00:35:31,673
So everybody in the whole team
ga-- gathered round,
758
00:35:31,965 --> 00:35:33,591
at the end of practice.
759
00:35:33,592 --> 00:35:34,927
And he said, all right,
rookie, you go first.
760
00:35:36,178 --> 00:35:38,012
Didn't matter to me.
761
00:35:38,013 --> 00:35:41,517
I backed up. I took two
steps, threw it.
762
00:35:41,808 --> 00:35:45,437
It kind of end-over-end
wobbled. 83.
763
00:35:45,729 --> 00:35:48,273
Billy Joe had a ball,
and he went, oh, hell, I quit.
764
00:35:50,234 --> 00:35:53,070
And we-- after that,
we were fine. We were fine.
765
00:36:02,287 --> 00:36:05,540
When I had talked
to Dr. Bales, he said,
766
00:36:05,541 --> 00:36:09,168
what I'm trying to do is--
is study living players,
767
00:36:09,169 --> 00:36:14,049
to find out how much tau
protein is in your brain.
768
00:36:14,341 --> 00:36:16,092
Well, I said, well, I don't
know what tau protein is.
769
00:36:16,093 --> 00:36:18,053
And he said, well, tau protein,
everyone has it.
770
00:36:18,971 --> 00:36:21,932
But what we're finding
is, all these deceased players
771
00:36:22,933 --> 00:36:24,768
have a high
level of tau protein.
772
00:36:25,394 --> 00:36:29,398
And he said, uh,
I want to see if
773
00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:32,233
living players have
it in elevated levels,
774
00:36:32,234 --> 00:36:35,279
that obviously play football,
or hockey, or whatever.
775
00:36:36,029 --> 00:36:40,199
And so I thought,
you know, interesting.
776
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,828
But my next comment was,
okay, doc.
777
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:46,540
So I got elevated
levels of tau protein.
778
00:36:47,332 --> 00:36:49,543
Do you, do you treat it?
779
00:36:50,085 --> 00:36:53,212
He said, no, there's no--
780
00:36:53,213 --> 00:36:56,424
All we can do is say
you have elevated levels.
781
00:36:56,425 --> 00:36:59,386
So, I chose not to
do it, because I said,
782
00:37:00,095 --> 00:37:02,388
then if I have el--
elevated levels,
783
00:37:02,389 --> 00:37:04,474
I'm always going to be
wondering, all right, when is,
784
00:37:04,766 --> 00:37:08,437
you know, you know, when am I
going to deteriorate to a point?
785
00:37:08,729 --> 00:37:10,689
So, it's best not to know.
786
00:37:11,023 --> 00:37:12,524
It's an emotional
roller coaster.
787
00:37:12,816 --> 00:37:14,734
Some days are good.
Some days are bad.
788
00:37:14,735 --> 00:37:16,862
I think about if he would
have gone the basketball route,
789
00:37:17,154 --> 00:37:19,488
you know,
this might not have happened.
790
00:37:19,489 --> 00:37:21,992
You know,
he's not making sense of things.
791
00:37:22,326 --> 00:37:23,744
He can't get the insurance.
792
00:37:24,036 --> 00:37:25,245
He can't move on,
because he
793
00:37:25,537 --> 00:37:26,955
hasn't had the shoulder surgery
yet.
794
00:37:27,247 --> 00:37:29,124
And he's still sitting
here on pain medicine...
795
00:37:29,416 --> 00:37:31,501
Or he would be really
focused on one thing.
796
00:37:31,502 --> 00:37:35,379
One time he would be
focused on selling insurance,
797
00:37:35,380 --> 00:37:37,465
or he would be leaning
more towards real estate.
798
00:37:37,466 --> 00:37:40,761
He's googling brain
injuries, and head trauma,
799
00:37:41,053 --> 00:37:43,304
and-- and things like that,
like on his phone,
800
00:37:43,305 --> 00:37:45,264
and on his computer.
801
00:37:45,265 --> 00:37:46,725
You know, when I would
stay there on the weekends,
802
00:37:47,017 --> 00:37:48,852
he would maybe
get an hour of sleep.
803
00:37:49,144 --> 00:37:50,896
If I would wake up,
he would be cleaning,
804
00:37:51,188 --> 00:37:54,649
or he would be watching movies,
or-- he was always awake.
805
00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:56,068
He could never fall asleep.
806
00:37:56,568 --> 00:37:59,488
He would get his mail every day,
and he'd throw it on the table.
807
00:37:59,780 --> 00:38:01,949
And I bet
it laid there for a month.
808
00:38:02,574 --> 00:38:05,576
And I said, honey,
don't you have some, you know,
809
00:38:05,577 --> 00:38:08,580
like your phone bill and your,
you know, utilities and stuff?
810
00:38:08,872 --> 00:38:10,540
And he goes, yeah,
I'll take care of it.
811
00:38:10,541 --> 00:38:12,166
You know,
he just couldn't
812
00:38:12,167 --> 00:38:16,255
focus long enough to do
the basic everyday tasks.
813
00:38:16,547 --> 00:38:19,423
When you do the physics of one
person running
814
00:38:19,424 --> 00:38:21,468
at eight miles an hour,
and another person running
815
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,094
at eight miles an hour,
816
00:38:23,095 --> 00:38:25,389
and them colliding
helmet to helmet,
817
00:38:25,681 --> 00:38:28,600
the forces is almost equal
to that of
818
00:38:28,892 --> 00:38:30,477
standing still and
swinging somebody--
819
00:38:30,769 --> 00:38:32,354
swinging a sledgehammer, and
hitting somebody in the head.
820
00:38:32,855 --> 00:38:33,939
Think of a woodpecker.
821
00:38:34,231 --> 00:38:35,816
Woodpecker smacks its head,
822
00:38:37,693 --> 00:38:40,778
thousands and thousands
of times every hour.
823
00:38:40,779 --> 00:38:44,073
Woodpeckers have a tongue
that's, surprisingly,
824
00:38:44,074 --> 00:38:45,576
longer than the bird is,
825
00:38:45,868 --> 00:38:48,245
and it goes back in
and it wraps around its brain.
826
00:38:48,704 --> 00:38:51,164
And when it starts--- when it
starts pecking the wood,
827
00:38:51,456 --> 00:38:54,585
it's safe inside of that tongue
828
00:38:54,877 --> 00:38:57,378
that's wrapped around--
it's cushioned in there.
829
00:38:57,379 --> 00:38:59,505
That's why a woodpecker
can do that, and not get
830
00:38:59,506 --> 00:39:01,967
chronic traumatic
woodpecker encephalopathy.
831
00:39:02,259 --> 00:39:05,553
Um, other animals were made
to do that. Humans were not.
832
00:39:05,554 --> 00:39:07,638
We have no protection,
but a little bit
833
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:09,433
of fluid around our brains.
834
00:39:09,725 --> 00:39:13,604
We weren't-- we weren't
meant, as a species, to do that.
835
00:39:13,896 --> 00:39:15,606
When I was
in college, before I started
836
00:39:15,898 --> 00:39:19,525
playing football, I used to
hear people say, I'm depressed.
837
00:39:19,526 --> 00:39:21,611
And I'm like, what is that like?
838
00:39:21,612 --> 00:39:24,448
You know, seriously, what is
depression like?
839
00:39:24,740 --> 00:39:26,073
I said, I love life.
840
00:39:26,074 --> 00:39:28,576
Life is great. You know,
why-- why--
841
00:39:28,577 --> 00:39:30,621
why are people depressed?
842
00:39:30,913 --> 00:39:35,541
You know, but, uh, today,
I catch myself, you know,
843
00:39:35,542 --> 00:39:40,880
sitting at home sometimes,
man, I'm really down right now.
844
00:39:40,881 --> 00:39:42,758
'Cause I played
with a bunch of guys.
845
00:39:43,050 --> 00:39:45,677
I know a bunch of guys
who took their lives and--
846
00:39:45,969 --> 00:39:49,515
and, um, they were in
the same boat as I am.
847
00:39:49,806 --> 00:39:51,516
Is that going to be me someday?
848
00:39:51,517 --> 00:39:53,519
You know,
will I get that low and,
849
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:56,396
you know,
something will happen to me?
850
00:39:56,688 --> 00:39:59,691
When they talk
about helmets, I laugh.
851
00:39:59,983 --> 00:40:02,026
I don't care what
kind of helmet
852
00:40:02,027 --> 00:40:05,447
you put on
a football player's head.
853
00:40:05,739 --> 00:40:08,366
When you have a collision,
you're not going to stop
854
00:40:08,367 --> 00:40:11,745
the brain from smacking up
against the inside of the skull.
855
00:40:29,304 --> 00:40:31,264
I had a traumatic injury.
856
00:40:31,265 --> 00:40:35,393
I broke my neck, uh, in 2016,
uh, against the Dallas Cowboys.
857
00:40:35,394 --> 00:40:37,855
And, uh, ever since that day,
you know, laying on the field
858
00:40:38,146 --> 00:40:40,106
and not knowing if I was going
to die, not knowing if I was
859
00:40:40,107 --> 00:40:42,818
going to live again, not knowing
what was going to happen.
860
00:40:43,110 --> 00:40:44,236
You don't feel anything.
861
00:40:44,528 --> 00:40:46,070
You just think
that you're going to die.
862
00:40:46,071 --> 00:40:48,197
And you're just
hoping for another chance.
863
00:40:48,198 --> 00:40:49,783
And you're thinking
about everything you did.
864
00:40:50,075 --> 00:40:51,577
And you're thinking about,
is it worth it?
865
00:40:51,869 --> 00:40:54,287
You're thinking about,
did I make the best of my time?
866
00:40:54,288 --> 00:40:56,956
You're thinking about, uh,
if I got another chance,
867
00:40:56,957 --> 00:40:58,458
what would I do differently?
868
00:40:58,709 --> 00:41:00,835
And it's hard to convince
somebody who wants to make
869
00:41:00,836 --> 00:41:03,672
money now, that the damage
that they're going to have
870
00:41:03,964 --> 00:41:07,091
five or ten years from now
is going to be so significant
871
00:41:07,092 --> 00:41:10,679
that they won't be able
to function appropriately.
872
00:41:10,971 --> 00:41:14,558
And there's an aspect to society
that we want to be entertained.
873
00:41:14,850 --> 00:41:17,310
There's nothing like
watching Terry Bradshaw
874
00:41:17,311 --> 00:41:20,188
throw a 60-yard pass at
John Stallworth, and he drags
875
00:41:20,189 --> 00:41:23,107
both his toes an inch
from the end zone line.
876
00:41:23,108 --> 00:41:24,442
He catches the ball
and makes a touchdown,
877
00:41:24,443 --> 00:41:25,610
and wins a Super Bowl.
878
00:41:25,611 --> 00:41:27,528
A couple things. I---
879
00:41:27,529 --> 00:41:31,617
I wasn't the sharpest guy,
but I was always one that had
880
00:41:31,909 --> 00:41:33,577
a really good memory.
881
00:41:33,869 --> 00:41:36,830
And I was able to
remember plays and recite plays.
882
00:41:37,122 --> 00:41:39,498
And-- and-- and still to this
day, I can think of
883
00:41:39,499 --> 00:41:41,459
high school plays and how to
call them,
884
00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:43,211
as if it were yesterday.
885
00:41:43,212 --> 00:41:49,342
But there are things
that happen almost daily,
886
00:41:49,343 --> 00:41:53,304
where I-- I'll meet someone,
and see them a week later,
887
00:41:53,305 --> 00:41:55,515
and know I know
that person from somewhere,
888
00:41:55,516 --> 00:41:57,142
but I can't remember
where I met them.
889
00:41:57,434 --> 00:42:00,645
And th-- to me, there's
absolutely no reason whatsoever
890
00:42:00,646 --> 00:42:03,524
that I-- there are certain
things that I-- that I--
891
00:42:03,815 --> 00:42:06,401
I can't remember,
whether it be a word,
892
00:42:06,693 --> 00:42:10,571
a word that I've said thousands
and thousands of times.
893
00:42:10,572 --> 00:42:12,366
And I'm like, yeah,
I want it-- I can't.
894
00:42:13,158 --> 00:42:14,825
And-- and-- and it happened
to me this morning.
895
00:42:14,826 --> 00:42:16,912
I was thinking of
a-- a person that I know
896
00:42:17,204 --> 00:42:23,125
very well, uh, that's actually
a doctor, uh, in my hometown,
897
00:42:23,126 --> 00:42:28,549
who I saw two days ago,
and could not think of his name.
898
00:42:28,841 --> 00:42:31,760
What used to not
bother me before bothers me.
899
00:42:32,052 --> 00:42:34,888
I'm sensitive to noise.
I forget things.
900
00:42:35,180 --> 00:42:37,056
People's names,
I can't remember at all.
901
00:42:37,057 --> 00:42:39,350
If you tell me your name,
I-- it's gone.
902
00:42:39,351 --> 00:42:41,520
I have two titanium
rods in my neck,
903
00:42:41,812 --> 00:42:44,273
and my spine right now,
with 16 screws.
904
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:47,234
You know,
holding me together, you know?
905
00:42:47,734 --> 00:42:51,529
So, um, that's one of the, um,
things I got from football.
906
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:55,616
Whether it be self-destructing
and comm-- committing suicide,
907
00:42:55,617 --> 00:42:59,912
considering it, losing
everything, health declining,
908
00:42:59,913 --> 00:43:02,123
not knowing who you are,
where you are,
909
00:43:02,124 --> 00:43:05,419
where you're going, um, those
are coming up
910
00:43:05,711 --> 00:43:08,672
way, way more frequent.
And-- and that's scary.
911
00:43:08,964 --> 00:43:11,592
There were times where
he'd sort of get up and we'd
912
00:43:11,884 --> 00:43:14,594
kind of look around and say,
wow, he got a big hit there.
913
00:43:14,595 --> 00:43:17,305
But there was not
the consciousness now of,
914
00:43:17,306 --> 00:43:19,557
well, we got
to take him in the tents.
915
00:43:19,558 --> 00:43:21,517
We got to have him
examined by an unaffiliated
916
00:43:21,518 --> 00:43:24,604
neurotrauma surgeon.
We have to get him
917
00:43:24,605 --> 00:43:26,522
in the locker room. We have
to go through these tests.
918
00:43:26,523 --> 00:43:28,942
It just wasn't
there on our awareness.
919
00:43:29,234 --> 00:43:31,987
Taking the-- the, uh,
helmet-to-helmet contact
920
00:43:32,279 --> 00:43:35,073
out of the NFL didn't
affect the game one bit.
921
00:43:35,365 --> 00:43:37,325
It's still a great game.
922
00:43:37,326 --> 00:43:40,954
The-- the-- the style, the--
the grace, the ballet
923
00:43:41,246 --> 00:43:44,625
is still there. We love
watching the athletes suffer,
924
00:43:44,917 --> 00:43:47,628
but that's part of making a lot
of money as an entertainer.
925
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,755
Tonight, we are learning
more about former Iowa Hawkeye
926
00:43:50,756 --> 00:43:53,050
football standout Tyler Sash,
who's in trouble after
927
00:43:53,342 --> 00:43:56,470
police say he led them on
a chase Saturday in Oskaloosa.
928
00:43:56,762 --> 00:44:01,557
So I guess he rode
the scooter to-- to this place,
929
00:44:01,558 --> 00:44:03,768
here in town where
all of his friends were at.
930
00:44:03,769 --> 00:44:07,939
And then had a drink,
and then he left and...
931
00:44:07,940 --> 00:44:11,026
there was a cop,
sitting there. And...
932
00:44:12,027 --> 00:44:15,322
Tyler, I don't know
what his thought process was,
933
00:44:15,739 --> 00:44:20,953
but he ditched the scooter
when he saw the-- the lights.
934
00:44:21,245 --> 00:44:24,705
And the cop said he really
was just gonna let Tyler know
935
00:44:24,706 --> 00:44:26,499
he needed to have
a light on that,
936
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:28,793
if he was going to be
driving it in the dark.
937
00:44:28,794 --> 00:44:31,671
They did have to tase him,
because they thought
938
00:44:31,672 --> 00:44:35,591
he wasn't cooperating by putting
his arms back to be handcuffed,
939
00:44:35,592 --> 00:44:38,428
but he could not put his
shoulders into that position.
940
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,639
After talking to Tyler
after that happened,
941
00:44:40,931 --> 00:44:42,598
he was embarrassed,
942
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,059
and he felt really bad
for-- for what he did.
943
00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:47,563
He called me,
'cause he wanted to tell me
944
00:44:47,855 --> 00:44:50,440
before it came out in the news.
945
00:44:50,732 --> 00:44:54,736
Uh, I know he came over here and
talked to my parents and cried.
946
00:44:55,028 --> 00:44:57,531
We asked, you know,
"Why? But why did you do it?"
947
00:44:57,823 --> 00:45:00,074
And he-- he literally
just kept saying,
948
00:45:00,075 --> 00:45:02,703
"I don't-- I don't know.
I don't really know."
949
00:45:02,995 --> 00:45:04,453
I think people, you know,
950
00:45:04,454 --> 00:45:06,455
not only does this affect
the individual,
951
00:45:06,456 --> 00:45:10,042
but the stress
and the trauma of taking care
952
00:45:10,043 --> 00:45:12,296
of these individuals
cannot be underestimated.
953
00:45:12,588 --> 00:45:14,839
These people with this disease,
954
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,508
they tend to behave
erratically.
955
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,385
They may be violent.
They may be suicidal.
956
00:45:19,386 --> 00:45:20,929
They can be homicidal.
957
00:45:21,221 --> 00:45:23,557
They can be frightening
for the family members.
958
00:45:39,781 --> 00:45:41,450
Uh, we got a call here
at Arrowhead Stadium
959
00:45:41,742 --> 00:45:43,702
to their practice facility,
in regard to a person
960
00:45:43,994 --> 00:45:45,871
who was in the parking lot
armed with a handgun.
961
00:45:47,748 --> 00:45:49,541
Yeah,
Jake, um, we've got,
962
00:45:49,833 --> 00:45:51,460
we do have a
confirmed shooting,
963
00:45:51,752 --> 00:45:54,671
and-- and-- and it is,
I believe, Belcher.
964
00:45:55,380 --> 00:45:58,008
Played with the Chiefs. We
haven't confirmed that, so...
965
00:46:02,513 --> 00:46:04,515
3-36, give me a couple
more cars,
966
00:46:04,806 --> 00:46:06,517
further out of district
or what.
967
00:46:06,808 --> 00:46:09,018
And if somehow, I don't know
if Arrowhead's got security
968
00:46:09,019 --> 00:46:11,896
or what,
but get somebody on the phone.
969
00:46:11,897 --> 00:46:17,110
He's
on the west side parking lot
970
00:46:17,402 --> 00:46:19,487
in a black Mercedes.
971
00:46:19,488 --> 00:46:21,155
Uh, when
the officers arrived,
972
00:46:21,156 --> 00:46:22,407
when they were pulling up,
they actually observed
973
00:46:22,699 --> 00:46:24,617
a Black male
who had a gun to his head.
974
00:46:24,618 --> 00:46:26,410
And he was talking
to a couple of coaches
975
00:46:26,411 --> 00:46:28,037
out in the parking lot.
976
00:46:28,038 --> 00:46:29,540
Uh, as officers pulled up
and, uh, began to park,
977
00:46:29,831 --> 00:46:31,416
that's when they
heard the gunshot.
978
00:46:31,708 --> 00:46:33,794
And, uh, it appears, uh, the
individual took his own life.
979
00:46:34,086 --> 00:46:36,046
A neuropathologist
says Belcher's brain
980
00:46:36,338 --> 00:46:38,590
showed evidence fully
consistent
981
00:46:38,882 --> 00:46:41,050
with the pathological
presentation
982
00:46:41,051 --> 00:46:43,637
of chronic traumatic
encephalopathy.
983
00:46:43,929 --> 00:46:45,597
No one really has
an answer for people,
984
00:46:45,889 --> 00:46:48,599
because they can go
to different hospitals,
985
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,769
and-- and they may not get
the advice they need.
986
00:46:51,061 --> 00:46:53,980
They may not understand
that it's caused by trauma,
987
00:46:53,981 --> 00:46:55,524
caused by their exposure
to football.
988
00:46:55,816 --> 00:46:58,776
So for the families,
it's-- it's devastating.
989
00:46:58,777 --> 00:47:01,320
And it's not just
the individual affected.
990
00:47:01,321 --> 00:47:02,781
It's everyone around them.
991
00:47:03,073 --> 00:47:04,533
Of course, I've got CTE,
992
00:47:04,825 --> 00:47:08,077
as does anybody,
in my opinion, who played ball,
993
00:47:08,078 --> 00:47:11,080
because Boston University
does a study.
994
00:47:11,081 --> 00:47:13,457
In the study, 99% of the people
995
00:47:13,458 --> 00:47:15,418
that they looked at
showed signs of CTE.
996
00:47:15,419 --> 00:47:18,337
I'd be a fool not to think
that I don't have it.
997
00:47:18,338 --> 00:47:20,715
It was-- I got my bell rung
when I was a little kid.
998
00:47:20,716 --> 00:47:22,383
Uh, back then it wasn't,
you know,
999
00:47:22,384 --> 00:47:23,886
you didn't have these
protocols where, you know,
1000
00:47:24,178 --> 00:47:25,345
you got to go
in the locker room,
1001
00:47:25,637 --> 00:47:26,972
and do a certain test
and everything.
1002
00:47:27,222 --> 00:47:28,849
Back then it was,
"All right, follow my finger."
1003
00:47:30,017 --> 00:47:31,685
You know, "How's--
how do you feel?
1004
00:47:31,977 --> 00:47:33,604
You're good? Okay, look, you're
back in the game."
1005
00:47:34,688 --> 00:47:35,814
Drive, Haelyn.
1006
00:47:38,317 --> 00:47:39,568
Other way.
1007
00:47:43,155 --> 00:47:44,281
Keep going.
1008
00:47:45,616 --> 00:47:48,743
You know, if something
was irritating him,
1009
00:47:48,744 --> 00:47:50,620
you could see it easier,
1010
00:47:50,621 --> 00:47:52,122
that it was really
bothering him.
1011
00:47:52,414 --> 00:47:54,540
I think before, Tyler just
kind of brushed it off.
1012
00:47:54,541 --> 00:47:58,211
He let things go easier
than he did more recently.
1013
00:47:58,212 --> 00:48:00,171
If he was upset,
he just wouldn't talk,
1014
00:48:00,172 --> 00:48:02,591
and he'd leave the room,
or he would cry.
1015
00:48:02,883 --> 00:48:05,510
And sometimes, you know,
I would ask him why,
1016
00:48:05,511 --> 00:48:07,012
and he couldn't tell me why.
1017
00:48:07,304 --> 00:48:09,263
And I always thought
he didn't want to tell me why,
1018
00:48:09,264 --> 00:48:10,849
but I really think
he didn't know.
1019
00:48:11,141 --> 00:48:12,142
Okay, eyes on the road.
1020
00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:14,978
Not on Snapchat.
Eyes on the road.
1021
00:48:15,521 --> 00:48:16,688
Push.
1022
00:48:20,484 --> 00:48:22,485
Stop.
1023
00:48:22,486 --> 00:48:23,819
Right by Tyler's.
1024
00:48:23,820 --> 00:48:25,489
Good job. Okay.
1025
00:48:28,325 --> 00:48:29,910
Pound it. All right.
1026
00:48:30,452 --> 00:48:32,119
Uh, well, I remember
when Charles Martin
1027
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,414
picked me up from behind
and slammed me down. Um...
1028
00:48:35,249 --> 00:48:37,417
That-- that was actually the
start of my neck problem,
1029
00:48:37,709 --> 00:48:40,336
'cause the doctor said, the only
way that-- that your C1 and 2
1030
00:48:40,337 --> 00:48:42,589
can get twisted like this,
if you get dumped on your head.
1031
00:48:42,881 --> 00:48:45,801
And I said, "Well, here's--
here's the replay of that."
1032
00:48:46,301 --> 00:48:49,012
But that-- and I told him,
I said, "That was 1986."
1033
00:48:49,930 --> 00:48:51,598
And he said,
"Well, this, you've been--
1034
00:48:51,890 --> 00:48:53,558
you've been--
struggling since then."
1035
00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:57,937
And the problem
in this area is that
1036
00:48:57,938 --> 00:49:01,608
players will not
help themselves,
1037
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:04,945
because from Pop Warner
and Little League,
1038
00:49:05,237 --> 00:49:07,239
they're brought up
in a culture of denial.
1039
00:49:10,075 --> 00:49:12,411
He had to
clean out his house.
1040
00:49:13,453 --> 00:49:17,456
And I saw that
he had notebook after notebook,
1041
00:49:17,457 --> 00:49:19,626
and he'd barely
written in anything.
1042
00:49:19,918 --> 00:49:22,713
I think he was trying so hard
to be organized,
1043
00:49:23,005 --> 00:49:25,048
because he said to me,
he couldn't remember anything.
1044
00:49:25,340 --> 00:49:28,217
And so he thought
he'd start out fresh,
1045
00:49:28,218 --> 00:49:29,636
and he'd have a new notebook,
and he,
1046
00:49:29,928 --> 00:49:31,346
you know, would be organized.
1047
00:49:31,972 --> 00:49:34,183
Well, I looked at this
and it really--
1048
00:49:34,474 --> 00:49:36,685
it made me feel really sad,
because to me,
1049
00:49:36,977 --> 00:49:40,981
this was a visible picture
of what CTE does to a mind.
1050
00:49:41,273 --> 00:49:44,483
This was a night
that I watched him on the news,
1051
00:49:44,484 --> 00:49:47,571
and, uh, doing this interview,
and he just kind of
1052
00:49:47,863 --> 00:49:49,448
struggled for something to say.
1053
00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:52,783
And when I saw this note,
I couldn't believe,
1054
00:49:52,784 --> 00:49:55,119
you know,
how confused his mind was,
1055
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,123
because what he wrote at
the very top half of the page,
1056
00:49:58,415 --> 00:50:00,959
he wrote almost
identically the same thing
1057
00:50:01,251 --> 00:50:02,503
on the bottom half of the page.
1058
00:50:02,794 --> 00:50:05,129
You can see what his thinking,
1059
00:50:05,130 --> 00:50:07,257
how confused his thinking
would have been.
1060
00:50:28,195 --> 00:50:29,946
I talked to Dave Duerson,
probably three months
1061
00:50:29,947 --> 00:50:31,405
before he killed himself.
1062
00:50:31,406 --> 00:50:33,533
And, uh, you know,
he-- he seemed like
1063
00:50:33,534 --> 00:50:35,536
the same kind of--
same-- same old guy,
1064
00:50:35,827 --> 00:50:37,662
but he was a little--
a little more reserved,
1065
00:50:37,663 --> 00:50:39,164
a little quieter.
1066
00:50:39,456 --> 00:50:42,042
And, uh, he was explaining to me
his frustrations with,
1067
00:50:42,334 --> 00:50:44,419
you know,
"Can't remember where I'm at."
1068
00:50:44,711 --> 00:50:46,587
You know, "I get in the car
to go pick up my kids.
1069
00:50:46,588 --> 00:50:47,881
I can't find my way home."
1070
00:50:48,423 --> 00:50:51,927
And I started having those
same thoughts, the same, uh,
1071
00:50:52,219 --> 00:50:54,136
you know, I walked down
the hall to-- to the kitchen.
1072
00:50:54,137 --> 00:50:56,722
And I-- I couldn't remember
why the hell I went down there.
1073
00:50:56,723 --> 00:50:58,516
I'd have to go back
and start again.
1074
00:50:58,517 --> 00:51:01,102
And, uh, it's-- it's very
frustrating for guys that,
1075
00:51:01,103 --> 00:51:03,104
you know, we're--
we're very competitive people.
1076
00:51:03,105 --> 00:51:05,231
And at the time,
I couldn't figure out how,
1077
00:51:05,232 --> 00:51:06,983
you know,
it could get so bad that,
1078
00:51:06,984 --> 00:51:08,443
you know, you think about
taking your own life.
1079
00:51:08,735 --> 00:51:10,445
But that-- it--
I had the same thoughts.
1080
00:51:10,737 --> 00:51:12,614
I mean, if I had a gun,
I probably wouldn't be here.
1081
00:51:14,408 --> 00:51:17,410
Do you think there is a link
between football
1082
00:51:17,411 --> 00:51:20,246
and degenerative brain disorders
like CTE?
1083
00:51:20,247 --> 00:51:22,082
Well, certainly, uh,
Dr. McKee's research shows
1084
00:51:22,374 --> 00:51:24,835
that a number of retired, uh,
NFL players were diagnosed
1085
00:51:25,127 --> 00:51:27,796
with CTE. So there-- the answer
to that question is-- is
1086
00:51:28,088 --> 00:51:29,339
certainly yes, but there's also
1087
00:51:29,631 --> 00:51:30,757
a number of questions that come
with that.
1088
00:51:31,675 --> 00:51:33,969
- Uh, what's the answer--
- So, I-- I guess I just want--
1089
00:51:34,261 --> 00:51:36,262
- Right. Yeah, Yeah.
- I-- Is there a link?
1090
00:51:36,263 --> 00:51:37,598
- Because-- beacause we...
- Sure.
1091
00:51:37,890 --> 00:51:40,517
...we feel that, or I feel that,
uh, you know,
1092
00:51:40,809 --> 00:51:43,896
that was not
the unequivocal answer,
1093
00:51:44,188 --> 00:51:47,858
three days before the Super
Bowl, by Dr. Mitchel Berger.
1094
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:50,359
Well, I-- I'm not going to speak
for Dr. Berger.
1095
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:51,695
- He's-- he's--
- Well, except you're speaking
1096
00:51:51,987 --> 00:51:53,197
for the NFL, right?
1097
00:51:56,116 --> 00:51:58,368
Well, this-- uh, it's
just like big tobacco. I mean,
1098
00:51:58,660 --> 00:52:01,913
they-- they said for years
cigarettes don't cause cancer.
1099
00:52:01,914 --> 00:52:03,957
But, you know, obviously
we know differently now.
1100
00:52:04,249 --> 00:52:05,625
And it's the same with the NFL.
1101
00:52:05,626 --> 00:52:07,502
They've-- they've known
for years.
1102
00:52:07,503 --> 00:52:10,254
Uh, when this settlement, we--
we just got this settlement,
1103
00:52:10,255 --> 00:52:13,842
uh, but they had-- they
didn't have to disclose
1104
00:52:14,134 --> 00:52:15,551
what they actually knew.
1105
00:52:15,552 --> 00:52:17,553
So they, you know,
it's still a--
1106
00:52:17,554 --> 00:52:19,181
it's still a big lie,
but, uh,
1107
00:52:19,473 --> 00:52:20,766
at least now
it's out in the open.
1108
00:52:21,058 --> 00:52:24,978
At that time,
the NFL said to players,
1109
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:28,064
one concussion
has no effect on another.
1110
00:52:28,065 --> 00:52:30,149
Doesn't matter
how many you get.
1111
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:33,069
We haven't found
any long-term consequences.
1112
00:52:33,070 --> 00:52:36,989
But intuitively,
you had to understand
1113
00:52:36,990 --> 00:52:39,326
that something
had to be happening.
1114
00:52:40,118 --> 00:52:41,870
Today, we'd like
to inform the public
1115
00:52:42,162 --> 00:52:44,623
of some of our findings
as we continue to investigate
1116
00:52:44,915 --> 00:52:46,416
the death of Aaron Hernandez.
1117
00:52:47,376 --> 00:52:51,046
I would have to wonder, and ask
what your reaction was to this,
1118
00:52:51,338 --> 00:52:53,966
considering how young
Aaron Hernandez was.
1119
00:52:54,591 --> 00:52:55,801
Uh, it's very frightening.
1120
00:52:56,051 --> 00:52:58,220
Um, I was shocked
by the information.
1121
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:01,264
Um, I was shocked
by the recent study
1122
00:53:01,265 --> 00:53:05,936
of the 110, uh, former players,
um, 111, 110 of them
1123
00:53:06,228 --> 00:53:10,314
having some form
or advanced stages of CTE.
1124
00:53:10,315 --> 00:53:11,650
The numbers were shocking.
1125
00:53:11,942 --> 00:53:15,695
The numbers were 110
NFL players out of 111
1126
00:53:15,696 --> 00:53:18,448
uh, that were examined had, uh,
1127
00:53:18,740 --> 00:53:20,784
histologic evidence of-- of CTE.
1128
00:53:21,076 --> 00:53:22,828
The implication is that
1129
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,913
individuals who play football,
particularly football
1130
00:53:25,914 --> 00:53:28,500
for long periods of time
and at a high level,
1131
00:53:28,792 --> 00:53:32,336
develop CTE
at a much higher rate
1132
00:53:32,337 --> 00:53:34,463
than those
who do not play football.
1133
00:53:34,464 --> 00:53:36,841
You could play flag football,
and that would reduce it a--
1134
00:53:36,842 --> 00:53:38,468
a considerable amount.
1135
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,220
But there'd be an occasion
a guy trips and hits his head,
1136
00:53:41,221 --> 00:53:44,725
or two guys bump into each other
and-- and get a concussion,
1137
00:53:45,017 --> 00:53:48,519
but you get maybe two per game
1138
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,229
as opposed to 20.
1139
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:53,525
And I-- I still think
that there's probably
1140
00:53:53,817 --> 00:53:55,652
a lot of concussions
that are not revealed.
1141
00:53:55,944 --> 00:53:58,362
There's some good
in what they-- they have done
1142
00:53:58,363 --> 00:54:00,406
as far as putting
the right rules in place,
1143
00:54:00,407 --> 00:54:01,992
but it's tackle football.
1144
00:54:02,284 --> 00:54:04,578
And unless
you reduce the athlete
1145
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:07,622
to 150 pounds, eight flat 40,
1146
00:54:07,623 --> 00:54:10,375
as weak as can be, you're not--
1147
00:54:10,667 --> 00:54:14,420
I mean, two guys,
300 pounds running full speed,
1148
00:54:14,421 --> 00:54:15,881
something's got to give.
1149
00:54:16,590 --> 00:54:18,634
♪
1150
00:54:18,926 --> 00:54:21,511
It was always confusing
to us, because he would--
1151
00:54:21,512 --> 00:54:24,263
he would say how much
he missed his parents
1152
00:54:24,264 --> 00:54:27,642
and his family,
but he wouldn't come over.
1153
00:54:27,643 --> 00:54:29,520
We could never figure that out.
1154
00:54:29,811 --> 00:54:32,188
And now, after knowing
about the CTE,
1155
00:54:32,189 --> 00:54:34,607
we understood
why he didn't come over,
1156
00:54:34,608 --> 00:54:37,401
because he would kind of
expose some of the things
1157
00:54:37,402 --> 00:54:39,779
that were wrong with him,
and he really,
1158
00:54:39,780 --> 00:54:42,366
bless his heart,
he tried not to, uh--
1159
00:54:43,116 --> 00:54:46,244
he tried not to let us know
all that was going on,
1160
00:54:46,245 --> 00:54:48,705
because he didn't want us
to worry about it.
1161
00:54:49,581 --> 00:54:52,667
The kids over here, of course,
with uncle Tyler,
1162
00:54:52,668 --> 00:54:54,503
playing-- playing softball.
1163
00:54:54,795 --> 00:54:56,671
So he was--
he was pitching to 'em.
1164
00:54:56,672 --> 00:54:58,548
He was running the bases.
1165
00:54:58,549 --> 00:55:01,969
He was trying to tag 'em out,
uh, sprinting after all of them,
1166
00:55:02,261 --> 00:55:06,598
and just cheering and kind of
acting like his wild self.
1167
00:55:06,890 --> 00:55:09,935
So, they all had-- they all had
a lot of fun with that.
1168
00:55:10,727 --> 00:55:13,480
I remember that
we were watching a movie
1169
00:55:13,772 --> 00:55:16,315
in my grandma and grandpa's bed
and he kept--
1170
00:55:16,316 --> 00:55:18,527
we kept on bumping heads
together.
1171
00:55:18,819 --> 00:55:21,320
And she kept saying, "oh,"
and he said,
1172
00:55:21,321 --> 00:55:23,114
he just, "Does that hurt?"
1173
00:55:23,115 --> 00:55:24,574
No.
1174
00:55:24,575 --> 00:55:25,951
And he said,
"So why did you say 'oh?'"
1175
00:55:26,243 --> 00:55:27,536
And then she'd say it again.
1176
00:55:27,828 --> 00:55:29,829
And so they'd just sit there,
bumping heads
1177
00:55:29,830 --> 00:55:31,331
and giggling about it.
1178
00:55:31,623 --> 00:55:34,710
We were laughing and we were
also watching a movie
1179
00:55:35,002 --> 00:55:36,586
at the same time.
1180
00:55:36,587 --> 00:55:37,713
When we started building
this house,
1181
00:55:38,005 --> 00:55:39,339
I hadn't played but about...
1182
00:55:40,591 --> 00:55:41,758
half of my career.
1183
00:55:42,843 --> 00:55:46,554
Fortunately,
I was able to play longer,
1184
00:55:46,555 --> 00:55:49,223
but I also got more game balls.
1185
00:55:49,224 --> 00:55:50,475
The mo-- longer you play,
1186
00:55:50,767 --> 00:55:53,270
the more good or bad
you get records.
1187
00:55:54,188 --> 00:55:56,355
So it's like, all right,
every-- what--
1188
00:55:56,356 --> 00:55:59,108
then you get to a point
when you break a record,
1189
00:55:59,109 --> 00:56:01,402
the next week you're always
breaking a record.
1190
00:56:01,403 --> 00:56:03,404
And I'm like, "All right,
1191
00:56:03,405 --> 00:56:05,866
we give out the game ball
to Brett, 'cause this is--
1192
00:56:06,158 --> 00:56:08,492
he just broke a record
that he set last week.
1193
00:56:08,493 --> 00:56:10,453
After a while,
you know, they were like,
1194
00:56:10,454 --> 00:56:12,246
I think the guy's going to play
another hundred games.
1195
00:56:12,247 --> 00:56:14,750
We ain't giving out
any more balls.
1196
00:56:15,042 --> 00:56:17,001
Only with the brain
1197
00:56:17,002 --> 00:56:18,754
do they not
treat that immediately,
1198
00:56:19,046 --> 00:56:20,546
other than the treatment being
1199
00:56:20,547 --> 00:56:23,132
going to a room,
turn the lights off,
1200
00:56:23,133 --> 00:56:25,511
don't let somebody talk as loud
as I'm talking right now,
1201
00:56:25,802 --> 00:56:26,637
whisper.
1202
00:56:26,929 --> 00:56:28,597
That's-- that's not treatment.
1203
00:56:28,889 --> 00:56:30,431
I know I've got it.
I don't really care
1204
00:56:30,432 --> 00:56:31,850
about, uh, how severe it is.
1205
00:56:32,142 --> 00:56:33,519
It's just--
1206
00:56:33,810 --> 00:56:35,521
you know, I-- I know because
it-- it-- that stuff
1207
00:56:35,812 --> 00:56:37,188
sat on my brain for 20 years.
1208
00:56:37,189 --> 00:56:38,607
It's--
1209
00:56:38,899 --> 00:56:40,525
I'm lucky to have a brain,
I guess, right now.
1210
00:56:40,526 --> 00:56:42,443
You still have the same
mentality in the players.
1211
00:56:42,444 --> 00:56:44,446
My mentality
is to run through you.
1212
00:56:44,738 --> 00:56:46,948
My mentality
is to dominate you.
1213
00:56:46,949 --> 00:56:48,742
So no matter
what rules you change,
1214
00:56:49,034 --> 00:56:50,618
I'm going to figure out
a way around the rules
1215
00:56:50,619 --> 00:56:51,537
to get that done.
1216
00:56:51,828 --> 00:56:53,413
You know, um...
1217
00:56:54,831 --> 00:56:56,041
...knowing what I know now,
1218
00:56:56,333 --> 00:56:58,042
probably I wouldn't have
played football,
1219
00:56:58,043 --> 00:57:00,045
because my dad didn't want me
playing football
1220
00:57:00,337 --> 00:57:02,673
when I told him that I would
want to play football.
1221
00:57:02,965 --> 00:57:04,174
Probably wouldn't have played
when I was hurt
1222
00:57:04,466 --> 00:57:07,176
as much as I did, but, uh,
1223
00:57:07,177 --> 00:57:08,803
especially the--
the head trauma.
1224
00:57:08,804 --> 00:57:11,556
Two.
1225
00:57:11,557 --> 00:57:13,851
Now, there-- didn't even
see Mark behind them.
1226
00:57:15,185 --> 00:57:16,687
Well, we expected
the rough stuff.
1227
00:57:16,979 --> 00:57:18,772
I mean, after a--
after a concussion...
1228
00:57:20,607 --> 00:57:22,316
I probably wouldn't have went
back in the game,
1229
00:57:22,317 --> 00:57:23,819
but back then you did.
1230
00:57:24,111 --> 00:57:25,445
Would I have done it different?
1231
00:57:26,446 --> 00:57:27,531
Had I known?
1232
00:57:28,866 --> 00:57:30,533
I d-- I don't know that.
1233
00:57:30,534 --> 00:57:32,494
I considered myself
a warrior. Uh,
1234
00:57:32,786 --> 00:57:35,664
You know, it meant a lot to me
to play and play every play
1235
00:57:35,956 --> 00:57:38,458
and be accountable
game after game,
1236
00:57:38,750 --> 00:57:40,335
and it-- it-- it got to a point
1237
00:57:40,627 --> 00:57:42,545
where it almost took on
a life of itself
1238
00:57:42,546 --> 00:57:44,214
that I can't miss.
1239
00:57:44,506 --> 00:57:45,716
You know, I've come this far,
I'm not gon--
1240
00:57:46,008 --> 00:57:47,425
I'm not going to miss,
1241
00:57:47,426 --> 00:57:49,344
re--regardless
of how much it hurts.
1242
00:57:49,636 --> 00:57:51,179
Well, you ca-- you know,
you're in the moment.
1243
00:57:51,180 --> 00:57:54,515
You're-- you're 28,
you're 33, you're 35.
1244
00:57:54,516 --> 00:57:57,226
Did one more game,
or did one more hit,
1245
00:57:57,227 --> 00:57:58,979
or one more play,
1246
00:57:59,271 --> 00:58:00,731
make a tremendous difference
1247
00:58:01,023 --> 00:58:02,774
in the quality of life...
1248
00:58:03,775 --> 00:58:04,943
after football?
1249
00:58:16,705 --> 00:58:18,498
Whenever he
came over here,
1250
00:58:18,790 --> 00:58:21,627
he bought something for me
and my brothers,
1251
00:58:21,919 --> 00:58:25,546
and he would always come over
with something for us.
1252
00:58:25,547 --> 00:58:27,466
We played in the backyard.
1253
00:58:27,758 --> 00:58:29,383
Who would win
in softball?
1254
00:58:29,384 --> 00:58:31,135
Your uncle or you and--
and your brothers?
1255
00:58:31,136 --> 00:58:33,555
Um, he-- he would win.
1256
00:58:33,847 --> 00:58:35,474
Your uncle Tyler
would win?
1257
00:58:36,433 --> 00:58:40,520
♪ ...birthday to you ♪
1258
00:58:40,521 --> 00:58:41,980
And Tyler.
1259
00:58:44,233 --> 00:58:48,695
♪ Happy birthday to Tyler ♪
1260
00:58:48,987 --> 00:58:53,200
Tyler was that kind of person
that-- he used what he had
1261
00:58:53,617 --> 00:58:57,538
to try and benefit Oskaloosa
and the kids that were in it.
1262
00:58:57,829 --> 00:59:00,165
They raised a lot of money,
and then they had a little boy
1263
00:59:00,457 --> 00:59:02,501
that died of cancer here,
1264
00:59:02,793 --> 00:59:06,630
and then, um, Tyler--
they-- they raised $106,000.
1265
00:59:06,922 --> 00:59:08,799
And there was hundreds
and hundreds of people that
1266
00:59:09,091 --> 00:59:12,510
came out, and-- and he sat and
he signed autographs for hours
1267
00:59:12,511 --> 00:59:15,931
until every person that
wanted one got an autograph,
1268
00:59:16,223 --> 00:59:17,599
and he made sure that
that money went
1269
00:59:17,891 --> 00:59:20,601
to help that kid
as he fought-- fought cancer.
1270
00:59:20,602 --> 00:59:23,062
So those are just
that's a small illustration
1271
00:59:23,063 --> 00:59:24,606
of some of the things
that he did.
1272
00:59:24,898 --> 00:59:28,443
I would say the holy grail here
is getting a marker,
1273
00:59:28,735 --> 00:59:31,445
a biomarker to detect CTE
in the living.
1274
00:59:31,446 --> 00:59:33,448
That will change everything.
1275
00:59:33,740 --> 00:59:36,785
Uh, first of all, we'll know
the prevalence of the disease
1276
00:59:37,077 --> 00:59:39,495
in college players,
and maybe high school players,
1277
00:59:39,496 --> 00:59:42,707
uh, if we have a way to diagnose
it, uh, during life.
1278
00:59:42,708 --> 00:59:45,878
And importantly, if we can find
a way to detect it during life,
1279
00:59:46,170 --> 00:59:49,463
not only will-- will we have
a diagnosis for individuals
1280
00:59:49,464 --> 00:59:51,007
that are concerned about it,
1281
00:59:51,008 --> 00:59:53,844
uh, but we'll have a way
to monitor treatments.
1282
00:59:54,136 --> 00:59:57,556
The NFL has 15 padded
practices a year.
1283
00:59:57,848 --> 01:00:00,058
Now, that is since I retired.
1284
01:00:00,601 --> 01:00:02,561
When I--
when I was playing, you could,
1285
01:00:03,437 --> 01:00:04,937
you know,
depending on the coach,
1286
01:00:04,938 --> 01:00:06,732
you could practice
in pads all the time.
1287
01:00:07,024 --> 01:00:09,193
But yet we're putting our youth,
1288
01:00:09,985 --> 01:00:13,530
8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and up
1289
01:00:14,865 --> 01:00:18,619
uh, kids in full pads,
1290
01:00:18,911 --> 01:00:20,537
and we're telling them,
to go out and tackle,
1291
01:00:21,288 --> 01:00:23,748
which I don't think
is a good thing, any,
1292
01:00:23,749 --> 01:00:26,919
whether it be
for a game or practice.
1293
01:00:31,173 --> 01:00:35,052
I got more interested
in looking at this epidemic,
1294
01:00:35,344 --> 01:00:38,055
which is concussion
or mild traumatic brain injury,
1295
01:00:38,972 --> 01:00:41,016
knowing that we were going to
have to create a drug
1296
01:00:41,308 --> 01:00:44,435
uh, that could be given longer
to be able to handle
1297
01:00:44,436 --> 01:00:46,730
a period of time
when things wax and wane.
1298
01:00:47,022 --> 01:00:50,817
And knowing that the outcome
measure to predict its efficacy
1299
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:53,278
was not going to be whether
the patient survived or not.
1300
01:00:53,570 --> 01:00:55,530
Uh, you know, of course,
for the most part,
1301
01:00:55,531 --> 01:00:57,406
you're going
to survive concussion.
1302
01:00:57,407 --> 01:00:59,826
What I realized is we just
really had not put any effort
1303
01:01:00,118 --> 01:01:03,288
into trying to find a way
to treat it acutely in hopes
1304
01:01:03,580 --> 01:01:06,708
that if you could get that
pathological cascade of events
1305
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,837
stopped in the short term, uh,
1306
01:01:10,128 --> 01:01:12,506
then you wouldn't end up
with post-concussion syndrome.
1307
01:01:12,798 --> 01:01:14,258
In the sports world,
and especially
1308
01:01:14,550 --> 01:01:16,510
in the violent sports worlds,
1309
01:01:17,469 --> 01:01:18,762
the individuals are violent.
1310
01:01:19,471 --> 01:01:21,389
And there's a pattern
of violence
1311
01:01:21,390 --> 01:01:23,809
that can spill over
into other parts of life.
1312
01:01:24,101 --> 01:01:26,227
There's a flag as--
1313
01:01:26,228 --> 01:01:29,188
Whoa, whoa.
1314
01:01:29,189 --> 01:01:30,607
Well, that's...
1315
01:01:31,650 --> 01:01:33,277
- Beyond words, Joe.
- Oh, gosh.
1316
01:01:33,569 --> 01:01:35,194
Especially when there is
1317
01:01:35,195 --> 01:01:37,489
something that is perceived
as irritating,
1318
01:01:37,781 --> 01:01:39,449
that actually
then can be addressed
1319
01:01:39,741 --> 01:01:42,578
in an impulsive way,
if you-- if you will.
1320
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:46,455
And they've developed protocols
to test for concussion
1321
01:01:46,456 --> 01:01:49,876
that can also be used
as a measure
1322
01:01:49,877 --> 01:01:52,588
of whether a drug
for concussion is working.
1323
01:01:53,255 --> 01:01:55,174
All right, here we are
at the tradition.
1324
01:01:56,550 --> 01:01:58,844
Great American
we've got a lot of discovery.
1325
01:02:04,308 --> 01:02:05,517
Come in.
1326
01:02:09,897 --> 01:02:12,566
We're going to go in
the clinic just here.
1327
01:02:12,858 --> 01:02:15,151
So, what will happen
is in phase 1B,
1328
01:02:15,152 --> 01:02:16,361
there will be
a concussed patient
1329
01:02:16,653 --> 01:02:18,197
at the hospital
right down the road.
1330
01:02:18,488 --> 01:02:20,240
They will be transitioned here.
1331
01:02:20,532 --> 01:02:22,451
There will be
intake done in this room.
1332
01:02:22,743 --> 01:02:25,704
They will have the drug
delivered nasally in this room
1333
01:02:25,996 --> 01:02:28,414
and then they will sit in here
and have blood draws
1334
01:02:28,415 --> 01:02:31,918
and testing after that drug
for a period off and on,
1335
01:02:31,919 --> 01:02:33,170
once a day for five days.
1336
01:02:33,879 --> 01:02:36,506
Football has increased
awareness of brain injury,
1337
01:02:36,507 --> 01:02:37,716
and it's increased awareness
1338
01:02:38,008 --> 01:02:39,509
of the consequences
of brain injury
1339
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:41,470
and that's been good
for all of society.
1340
01:02:41,762 --> 01:02:44,014
I think what's important
to realize is that
1341
01:02:44,306 --> 01:02:45,891
sports have risk-benefit.
1342
01:02:46,183 --> 01:02:47,851
And it's, in my opinion,
1343
01:02:48,143 --> 01:02:50,479
not prudent to ban activities
1344
01:02:50,771 --> 01:02:52,856
without understanding
the full ramifications of--
1345
01:02:53,148 --> 01:02:54,149
of such a ban.
1346
01:02:54,733 --> 01:02:57,110
We looked at 53 college players,
1347
01:02:57,402 --> 01:03:01,447
and 48 had CTE for about 91%.
1348
01:03:01,448 --> 01:03:04,200
And then we also looked at
high school players,
1349
01:03:04,201 --> 01:03:06,161
and we had 21
high school players
1350
01:03:06,453 --> 01:03:07,912
that had come into the bank,
1351
01:03:07,913 --> 01:03:10,666
and three of those,
uh, uh, had CTE.
1352
01:03:10,958 --> 01:03:13,668
But what that study says is that
1353
01:03:13,669 --> 01:03:15,462
this can affect
amateur athletes.
1354
01:03:15,754 --> 01:03:17,421
This can affect players
1355
01:03:17,422 --> 01:03:19,550
who don't go on to play
professionally.
1356
01:03:19,842 --> 01:03:22,886
And at least I-- In our
experience, it's fairly common.
1357
01:03:23,637 --> 01:03:26,640
My husband said
one day, he remembers
1358
01:03:26,932 --> 01:03:29,725
Tyler getting up
after getting hit by this kid,
1359
01:03:29,726 --> 01:03:32,312
and Tyler had tears in his eyes.
1360
01:03:32,604 --> 01:03:34,230
And I never sa--
I never saw that,
1361
01:03:34,231 --> 01:03:35,440
and I never knew that.
1362
01:03:35,732 --> 01:03:37,776
He-- he even remembers
some times
1363
01:03:38,068 --> 01:03:39,570
when Tyler was in...
1364
01:03:40,487 --> 01:03:42,531
maybe third
or fourth grade football,
1365
01:03:42,823 --> 01:03:46,076
and he-- he was kind of dazed
1366
01:03:46,368 --> 01:03:48,494
coming off the field
after a hit.
1367
01:03:48,495 --> 01:03:51,081
And I remember my dad
1368
01:03:51,373 --> 01:03:54,250
getting very choked up
about telling him
1369
01:03:54,251 --> 01:03:56,627
that he was all right
and sending him back out there,
1370
01:03:56,628 --> 01:03:58,505
because it's just, you know,
1371
01:03:58,797 --> 01:04:02,092
it's just the competitive
nature of it.
1372
01:04:02,384 --> 01:04:04,218
Like, you can work through this,
1373
01:04:04,219 --> 01:04:07,471
and you think...
1374
01:04:07,472 --> 01:04:11,517
that hardcore
competitive spirit,
1375
01:04:11,518 --> 01:04:13,227
like, nothing can break me,
1376
01:04:13,228 --> 01:04:15,647
is exactly
what broke my brother.
1377
01:04:15,939 --> 01:04:18,108
Another thing is that
people think that, you know,
1378
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,569
college athletes are catered to.
1379
01:04:20,861 --> 01:04:24,615
And, you know, maybe--
they are in some-- in some ways,
1380
01:04:24,907 --> 01:04:27,992
but I think that those people
also don't realize
1381
01:04:27,993 --> 01:04:31,329
the cost to those athletes
for what--
1382
01:04:31,330 --> 01:04:34,499
For their pleasure,
for their entertainment,
1383
01:04:34,958 --> 01:04:37,586
you know, that they get on
a Saturday or a Sunday,
1384
01:04:37,878 --> 01:04:40,171
how much it actually costs
those people.
1385
01:04:40,172 --> 01:04:42,089
I told my husband,
"I said, honey..." you know,
1386
01:04:42,090 --> 01:04:44,133
because he played football,
you know, I said,
1387
01:04:44,134 --> 01:04:45,761
and he loves sports,
and I said,
1388
01:04:46,053 --> 01:04:47,595
"If you want to go, you go."
1389
01:04:47,596 --> 01:04:49,889
And he said,
"No, I don't want to go,"
1390
01:04:49,890 --> 01:04:51,058
because I don't want
to keep him back,
1391
01:04:51,350 --> 01:04:53,017
just because I can't
watch it anymore,
1392
01:04:53,018 --> 01:04:56,270
because I just see more
than I want to see.
1393
01:04:56,271 --> 01:04:59,398
We have kids from our church
their parents have asked me,
1394
01:04:59,399 --> 01:05:01,817
"What do you think,
should we let our kid play?
1395
01:05:01,818 --> 01:05:03,194
You know,
"Should we let him play?"
1396
01:05:03,195 --> 01:05:04,905
And like, I had one dad say,
1397
01:05:05,197 --> 01:05:06,156
"Well, my son's a senior,
1398
01:05:06,448 --> 01:05:08,157
you know, and I'm like,
1399
01:05:08,158 --> 01:05:10,035
"You know, you have to do
what you have to do."
1400
01:05:10,327 --> 01:05:12,912
What's really I take
from looking at all this,
1401
01:05:12,913 --> 01:05:15,540
is how fast time goes by,
1402
01:05:15,541 --> 01:05:17,209
and, uh...
1403
01:05:18,085 --> 01:05:20,419
life goes on, man, you know.
1404
01:05:20,420 --> 01:05:21,797
When-- when I coached...
1405
01:05:22,756 --> 01:05:24,674
and my two daughters,
if they were here right now,
1406
01:05:24,675 --> 01:05:26,176
they'd tell you the same thing.
1407
01:05:26,468 --> 01:05:28,679
"Dad's always talking about,
'enjoy the moment...'
1408
01:05:29,847 --> 01:05:33,809
because before you know it,
you look back and you go,
1409
01:05:34,101 --> 01:05:35,685
I remember us
having that discussion,
1410
01:05:35,686 --> 01:05:36,812
and that was 10 years ago.'"
1411
01:05:37,104 --> 01:05:39,022
What happens when you go
from birth
1412
01:05:39,314 --> 01:05:40,816
through those early 20s,
1413
01:05:41,108 --> 01:05:44,068
when brain development
continues and develops, uh,
1414
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:46,946
what happens if it's interrupted
along the way?
1415
01:05:46,947 --> 01:05:49,615
So, for example,
if a child really hits
1416
01:05:49,616 --> 01:05:52,077
the front-- front--
frontal regions of the brain
1417
01:05:52,369 --> 01:05:56,414
and sustains injury there
at age, say, eight or nine,
1418
01:05:56,415 --> 01:05:59,500
we might not really see
what's happening to that brain
1419
01:05:59,501 --> 01:06:03,337
and that brain development until
the child is 16, 17, or 18.
1420
01:06:03,338 --> 01:06:06,425
If 50 percent of the moms
in this country
1421
01:06:06,717 --> 01:06:11,305
understand the danger
of playing football
1422
01:06:12,097 --> 01:06:16,018
and tell their teenage boys,
"You can play any sport,
1423
01:06:16,894 --> 01:06:19,353
and your dad
and I will back you,
1424
01:06:19,354 --> 01:06:20,856
but not tackle football."
1425
01:06:21,565 --> 01:06:23,399
It won't kill football.
1426
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,485
It will just change
the socioeconomics,
1427
01:06:26,486 --> 01:06:29,948
but they need it
to escape economic poverty,
1428
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:31,491
they'll play.
1429
01:06:31,783 --> 01:06:33,827
The state has limited
the amount of time
1430
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:37,122
that you can have full contact
and teach how to tackle,
1431
01:06:37,414 --> 01:06:40,875
uh, which in turn,
you know, turns it around.
1432
01:06:40,876 --> 01:06:42,252
Go, go, go!
1433
01:06:42,544 --> 01:06:44,630
They sent this to you guys?
1434
01:06:44,922 --> 01:06:47,048
They sent it
to the high school.
1435
01:06:47,049 --> 01:06:48,549
So, like, it's like--
1436
01:06:48,550 --> 01:06:50,051
it's called
the High School Honor Roll,
1437
01:06:50,052 --> 01:06:53,846
and so they did this
at the fifth year, uh...
1438
01:06:53,847 --> 01:06:55,556
and they sent a football,
a gold football,
1439
01:06:55,557 --> 01:06:58,060
to every--
every high school that had a--
1440
01:06:59,311 --> 01:07:03,273
a player play in any Super Bowl
for the last 50 years.
1441
01:07:07,945 --> 01:07:11,156
You see a lot of guys
retiring early, young guys.
1442
01:07:11,448 --> 01:07:13,115
Not even at the peak
of their career,
1443
01:07:13,116 --> 01:07:15,159
they haven't even gotten
to that point, retiring.
1444
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,496
We're looking at a dangerous
full contact sport
1445
01:07:17,788 --> 01:07:20,039
where too many players
play too long
1446
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,416
and therefore suffer
physical consequences,
1447
01:07:22,417 --> 01:07:24,795
including especially,
importantly, CTE.
1448
01:07:25,087 --> 01:07:27,046
There's an enormous backlash
against that.
1449
01:07:27,047 --> 01:07:29,298
That, I believe,
is a bigger threat to the game
1450
01:07:29,299 --> 01:07:31,968
than anything in terms
of marginalizing the game.
1451
01:07:31,969 --> 01:07:33,178
But football's here to stay.
1452
01:07:33,887 --> 01:07:35,388
I love watching it.
1453
01:07:35,389 --> 01:07:37,849
At what age do you start
playing tackle football?
1454
01:07:37,850 --> 01:07:39,517
I wouldn't let kids
put helmets on
1455
01:07:39,518 --> 01:07:41,144
until they were juniors
in high school.
1456
01:07:41,436 --> 01:07:43,438
They should stop
playing football as a junior.
1457
01:07:43,730 --> 01:07:45,439
There's no reason
1458
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,484
whatsoever for anybody
to have any kind of contact,
1459
01:07:47,776 --> 01:07:49,027
in my opinion,
before the age of 12.
1460
01:07:49,319 --> 01:07:50,946
My son is eight.
He plays football.
1461
01:07:51,238 --> 01:07:52,698
He plays tackle as well.
1462
01:07:52,948 --> 01:07:55,032
Uh, the only reason he plays
is because I'm the coach.
1463
01:07:55,033 --> 01:07:58,619
There's nobody that can coach
my son better than me.
1464
01:07:58,620 --> 01:08:01,330
I think I would come down
on the side of saying,
1465
01:08:01,331 --> 01:08:04,542
we shouldn't have sports
in this society
1466
01:08:04,543 --> 01:08:07,421
that we know injure
kids' brains.
1467
01:08:07,713 --> 01:08:11,508
If everyone plays flag football
until you're 17,
1468
01:08:12,217 --> 01:08:15,219
then during that time,
you can teach
1469
01:08:15,220 --> 01:08:18,015
tackling fundamentals
without tackling.
1470
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,518
I really don't see any reason
why someone would need to play
1471
01:08:21,810 --> 01:08:24,437
tackle football
until they're in high school.
1472
01:08:24,438 --> 01:08:27,524
I have two teenage sons.
1473
01:08:27,816 --> 01:08:32,196
Both of them had heard me
talk about this many times.
1474
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:34,406
And both of them played.
1475
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,200
You know, I think
there's a risk at any age,
1476
01:08:37,201 --> 01:08:39,244
but at least
when you're, uh, old enough
1477
01:08:39,536 --> 01:08:41,454
to make a decision for yourself,
1478
01:08:41,455 --> 01:08:43,624
I think that's when you should
start playing tackle football.
1479
01:08:43,916 --> 01:08:45,459
So maybe that's 18.
1480
01:08:45,751 --> 01:08:48,503
You know, I see sports
can be a way out
1481
01:08:48,504 --> 01:08:50,254
from a tough situation,
1482
01:08:50,255 --> 01:08:52,256
but you can still do it
a better way.
1483
01:08:52,257 --> 01:08:54,426
You know, we like to tell
people with football,
1484
01:08:54,718 --> 01:08:56,011
no one's getting recruited off
1485
01:08:56,303 --> 01:08:58,388
of their fifth grade film, right?
1486
01:08:58,680 --> 01:08:59,973
You can still have
a great football career
1487
01:09:00,224 --> 01:09:02,183
waiting until high school
for the tackle part.
1488
01:09:02,184 --> 01:09:04,602
Don't play
tackle football too young.
1489
01:09:04,603 --> 01:09:06,437
There's a sort of
an inflection point
1490
01:09:06,438 --> 01:09:08,398
that if you play before 12,
and you get hit in the head
1491
01:09:08,690 --> 01:09:09,858
while your brain's
still developing,
1492
01:09:10,150 --> 01:09:11,401
you're worse off
in the long run.
1493
01:09:11,693 --> 01:09:13,402
You have a greater risk
of having symptoms
1494
01:09:13,403 --> 01:09:15,739
or a greater risk of,
uh, having earlier symptoms
1495
01:09:16,031 --> 01:09:17,491
related to CTE or brain damage.
1496
01:09:17,783 --> 01:09:20,910
I just think that you pass
a-- a law that says
1497
01:09:20,911 --> 01:09:23,496
no tackling until the age of 17.
1498
01:09:23,497 --> 01:09:26,165
If you don't want
to give a cell phone
1499
01:09:26,166 --> 01:09:29,294
to a--
to a 10 or 12-year-old
1500
01:09:29,586 --> 01:09:32,172
because their skull
is not fully developed,
1501
01:09:32,589 --> 01:09:35,759
then why are we putting
a football helmet...
1502
01:09:36,844 --> 01:09:38,303
on a 10 or 12-year-old?
1503
01:09:38,929 --> 01:09:41,223
I have a 12-year-old son,
1504
01:09:42,140 --> 01:09:44,559
and I don't want him
playing football,
1505
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,563
but his mom insists
that he plays football.
1506
01:09:48,230 --> 01:09:50,064
He's had
two concussions already,
1507
01:09:50,065 --> 01:09:52,192
and his mom still insists
that he plays.
1508
01:09:53,443 --> 01:09:54,570
Go figure.
1509
01:09:55,445 --> 01:09:57,113
All the work that I've done
with these doctors
1510
01:09:57,114 --> 01:09:58,657
the past couple of years,
1511
01:09:58,949 --> 01:10:00,950
and-- and what they've told me
about the head trauma,
1512
01:10:00,951 --> 01:10:04,204
he said there's probably
90% of kids shouldn't be playing
1513
01:10:04,496 --> 01:10:05,872
because their necks
and their heads
1514
01:10:05,873 --> 01:10:07,541
are just not strong enough.
1515
01:10:08,083 --> 01:10:10,127
Like, you've probably
never heard of Pat Dye.
1516
01:10:11,879 --> 01:10:13,213
Legendary coach.
1517
01:10:13,505 --> 01:10:15,464
He's-- he's what Bear Bryant
is to Alabama,
1518
01:10:15,465 --> 01:10:16,758
he is to Auburn.
1519
01:10:17,134 --> 01:10:19,928
He actually coached under, uh,
1520
01:10:20,387 --> 01:10:22,764
under and was really
his mentor, Bear Bryant.
1521
01:10:23,932 --> 01:10:26,267
We go stay
at Pat Dye's house every year.
1522
01:10:26,268 --> 01:10:28,187
We do a bike ride
at Bo Bikes Bama
1523
01:10:28,478 --> 01:10:30,731
just outside of Auburn, uh...
1524
01:10:31,607 --> 01:10:34,942
and he shows me
around his place.
1525
01:10:34,943 --> 01:10:39,238
And, you know,
Coach Dye is 78 years old,
1526
01:10:39,239 --> 01:10:40,782
but he's still sharp as a tack.
1527
01:10:41,074 --> 01:10:43,576
He goes, he says, "All right,
this is y'all's room.
1528
01:10:43,577 --> 01:10:46,704
This is our kitchen."
1529
01:10:46,705 --> 01:10:49,290
We kind of hang out
in the living room right here.
1530
01:10:49,291 --> 01:10:52,127
He says, "Now, the upstairs
bedroom is to go up here,"
1531
01:10:52,419 --> 01:10:55,588
and he said,
"No, that room here
1532
01:10:55,589 --> 01:10:56,965
really don't mean
a hell of a lot.
1533
01:10:57,257 --> 01:10:59,509
It's got my memorabilia in it."
1534
01:10:59,510 --> 01:11:00,886
He said, "I'm 78 years old.
1535
01:11:01,178 --> 01:11:02,179
Ain't none of it...
1536
01:11:03,347 --> 01:11:05,598
means a hell of a being,"
he said.
1537
01:11:05,599 --> 01:11:09,018
I'm still thankful in many ways
1538
01:11:09,019 --> 01:11:11,687
that Tyler playing football
brought us together
1539
01:11:11,688 --> 01:11:13,524
so many times. We went to--
1540
01:11:13,815 --> 01:11:16,526
I-- Josh was away,
but the rest of us
1541
01:11:16,527 --> 01:11:20,029
went to most of the games,
all of the games together,
1542
01:11:20,030 --> 01:11:22,783
and Josh came back
for as many as he could.
1543
01:11:23,075 --> 01:11:24,451
So, you know, we probably
1544
01:11:24,743 --> 01:11:27,537
would not have--
have enjoyed that--
1545
01:11:27,538 --> 01:11:29,413
that time together.
1546
01:11:29,414 --> 01:11:31,667
I just couldn't even
bring myself to watch it
1547
01:11:31,959 --> 01:11:34,377
because it wouldn't ever be
what it once was.
1548
01:11:34,378 --> 01:11:36,964
It just flatlined for me.
1549
01:11:38,715 --> 01:11:40,467
You know, I know
there's a lot of guys out there
1550
01:11:40,759 --> 01:11:45,429
that would still play football,
even knowing all the facts...
1551
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:47,975
but I'd like him
to make them all aware of it
1552
01:11:48,267 --> 01:11:49,560
when they come in as a rookie.
1553
01:11:50,269 --> 01:11:51,937
And let them choose.
1554
01:11:52,396 --> 01:11:54,273
Sometimes,
it's good to talk about it.
1555
01:11:55,774 --> 01:11:56,984
You know, it's not always good,
1556
01:11:57,276 --> 01:11:59,193
and there's times
when I get to a place
1557
01:11:59,194 --> 01:12:01,487
where I have to say,
"Lord, I can't go there.
1558
01:12:01,488 --> 01:12:05,783
You know,
I can't think about that.
1559
01:12:05,784 --> 01:12:08,662
And I guess there's other times
that I just feel like
1560
01:12:09,204 --> 01:12:11,581
I don't want other people
to have to go through this.
1561
01:12:11,582 --> 01:12:13,457
I want to help the cause.
1562
01:12:13,458 --> 01:12:16,420
I want the awareness
to be out there,
1563
01:12:16,879 --> 01:12:18,547
and I feel like
I'd be honoring Tyler
1564
01:12:18,839 --> 01:12:20,590
because he'd like
to help people.
1565
01:12:20,591 --> 01:12:23,385
You know, one of the things
that really hurts me
1566
01:12:23,969 --> 01:12:26,597
is when I look at
Tyler's baby pictures
1567
01:12:26,889 --> 01:12:28,265
and him as a little boy.
1568
01:12:30,184 --> 01:12:32,143
You know,
you think of an NFL player,
1569
01:12:32,144 --> 01:12:34,021
you think
there's some big tough guy,
1570
01:12:34,354 --> 01:12:35,981
but this is somebody's child.
1571
01:12:36,273 --> 01:12:37,858
This is a little boy
1572
01:12:38,609 --> 01:12:40,527
that was blessed
with that talent.
1573
01:12:42,696 --> 01:12:46,032
It's just hard to see-- see that
1574
01:12:46,033 --> 01:12:49,493
and think of
what could have been.
1575
01:12:49,494 --> 01:12:51,705
You could have had
grandchildren.
1576
01:12:51,997 --> 01:12:54,957
You know, we were planning on
more grandchildren.
1577
01:12:54,958 --> 01:12:57,586
Tyler helped me put it--
put together a crib
1578
01:12:57,878 --> 01:13:01,881
that I never bought a new one
for any of my own children,
1579
01:13:01,882 --> 01:13:04,760
but when the grandkids came
along, I bought a new one,
1580
01:13:05,052 --> 01:13:06,929
and Tyler helped me
put it together
1581
01:13:07,554 --> 01:13:10,848
and totally planned on
having more grandchildren
1582
01:13:10,849 --> 01:13:12,768
and a future,
you know, for Tyler.
1583
01:13:14,102 --> 01:13:16,021
But it wasn't in the plan,
1584
01:13:16,563 --> 01:13:20,399
and so God's ways are...
1585
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,695
Are different than our ways
and I accept that.
1586
01:13:25,614 --> 01:13:27,616
The story of Tyler Sash
1587
01:13:27,908 --> 01:13:31,911
in some ways revealing
of what this CTE is about.
1588
01:13:31,912 --> 01:13:33,413
Obviously, in the prime of his,
1589
01:13:33,705 --> 01:13:36,124
I say career,
but also in his life,
1590
01:13:36,416 --> 01:13:38,627
probably the most healthy
he would ever be,
1591
01:13:39,169 --> 01:13:45,133
uh, by all accounts
was a-- was a model citizen.
1592
01:13:45,717 --> 01:13:49,888
I think good things will come
from Tyler's story.
1593
01:13:53,183 --> 01:13:55,268
Former Hawkeye
football star, Tyler Sash,
1594
01:13:55,269 --> 01:13:57,145
found dead in his
Oskaloosa home in September.
1595
01:13:57,437 --> 01:13:59,939
Diagnosed Tyler with CTE.
1596
01:13:59,940 --> 01:14:01,024
It's a degenerative
brain disease caused
1597
01:14:01,316 --> 01:14:02,568
by repeated trauma.
1598
01:14:02,860 --> 01:14:04,695
It's rarely seen
in someone Sash's age.
1599
01:14:07,406 --> 01:14:09,991
The shock
of the death of Tyler Sash,
1600
01:14:09,992 --> 01:14:11,492
I mean, that,
I haven't seen Tyler
1601
01:14:11,493 --> 01:14:12,703
in a couple of years.
1602
01:14:12,995 --> 01:14:14,454
I didn't see
that coming, obviously.
1603
01:14:14,746 --> 01:14:17,582
Our condolences go out
to his family and his friends
1604
01:14:17,583 --> 01:14:19,585
and all those
that cared for him.
1605
01:14:19,877 --> 01:14:21,794
He was an outstanding
teammate now.
1606
01:14:21,795 --> 01:14:24,589
There's the-- When he was here,
during the time he was here,
1607
01:14:24,590 --> 01:14:27,593
the players really enjoyed
Tyler Sash.
1608
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:36,852
We traveled back here
for Labor Day weekend in 2015,
1609
01:14:37,144 --> 01:14:38,561
came on a Friday,
1610
01:14:38,562 --> 01:14:40,479
and my husband
didn't come with us
1611
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:42,983
because he had
a-- a bachelor party,
1612
01:14:43,275 --> 01:14:44,568
and they were in Ames.
1613
01:14:44,818 --> 01:14:47,153
And so, I brought the kids,
and Friday night,
1614
01:14:47,154 --> 01:14:49,488
Tyler came over
with his girlfriend and Haelyn,
1615
01:14:49,489 --> 01:14:51,116
Kids all played together.
1616
01:14:51,408 --> 01:14:53,201
And their favorite
thing to do is--
1617
01:14:53,202 --> 01:14:56,204
is slide down the stairs here
at Grandma and Grandpa's,
1618
01:14:56,205 --> 01:14:58,999
or have a dance party,
dance competition.
1619
01:14:59,291 --> 01:15:01,292
Tyler would play
some crazy music
1620
01:15:01,293 --> 01:15:04,171
and make them each
take a turn dancing those.
1621
01:15:04,463 --> 01:15:05,964
That was pretty fun for them.
1622
01:15:07,174 --> 01:15:08,800
There was an Iowa game,
1623
01:15:09,092 --> 01:15:11,469
my brother had just moved in
to a house there in Ottumwa,
1624
01:15:11,470 --> 01:15:13,764
so we all traveled down
to Ottumwa
1625
01:15:14,056 --> 01:15:16,891
and watched the game there
with Tyler.
1626
01:15:16,892 --> 01:15:20,686
And Tyler
was very confused that day.
1627
01:15:20,687 --> 01:15:23,439
He multiple times asked me,
1628
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:25,358
I take AdvoCare Spark,
1629
01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:29,153
and he multiple times asked me
if he could have a Spark.
1630
01:15:29,154 --> 01:15:31,281
And I was like,
"You just had one."
1631
01:15:31,573 --> 01:15:34,034
And I said, "You can have
another one, I don't care."
1632
01:15:34,326 --> 01:15:37,913
He'd make another Spark,
and then he would say,
1633
01:15:38,413 --> 01:15:40,123
"Hey, anybody know
where my drink is?"
1634
01:15:40,415 --> 01:15:43,293
And it was probably five times
1635
01:15:43,585 --> 01:15:46,087
that he-- he would ask
where his drink went.
1636
01:15:46,088 --> 01:15:47,673
I'm like, "It's right
there on the counter,
1637
01:15:47,965 --> 01:15:49,423
right where you left it."
1638
01:15:49,424 --> 01:15:50,801
He went and played
with the kids there.
1639
01:15:51,093 --> 01:15:54,679
We watched the game,
and I know Tyler fell asleep
1640
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:58,559
uh, during that game,
which wasn't like him at all.
1641
01:15:58,851 --> 01:16:02,563
And he kept saying that he--
he had allergies like my mom,
1642
01:16:02,855 --> 01:16:06,649
and he kept saying
that his head hurt.
1643
01:16:06,650 --> 01:16:08,569
Well, Tyler came over Sunday,
1644
01:16:08,861 --> 01:16:10,486
and he was playing
out in the backyard
1645
01:16:10,487 --> 01:16:12,488
with them all,
you know, all day.
1646
01:16:12,489 --> 01:16:13,824
It was really a hot day.
1647
01:16:14,491 --> 01:16:18,077
And he, you know, just was
sprinting up and down the yard
1648
01:16:18,078 --> 01:16:19,620
and throwing balls,
and they were just doing
1649
01:16:19,621 --> 01:16:21,081
all kinds of fun things,
1650
01:16:21,373 --> 01:16:23,165
and they were laughing
and having fun.
1651
01:16:23,166 --> 01:16:25,293
And the kids all played,
and that's when they had
1652
01:16:25,294 --> 01:16:26,837
the softball game
here in the back.
1653
01:16:27,129 --> 01:16:30,298
And-- and we all
just hung out as a family,
1654
01:16:30,299 --> 01:16:35,011
and he seemed better on Sunday
than what he was on Saturday.
1655
01:16:35,012 --> 01:16:37,472
Grandson was
in the house sleeping,
1656
01:16:37,764 --> 01:16:38,974
and I came in to check on him.
1657
01:16:39,266 --> 01:16:41,392
And meanwhile,
Tyler had come in.
1658
01:16:41,393 --> 01:16:42,603
And, uh...
1659
01:16:43,562 --> 01:16:47,441
But then,
right before he left here, on--
1660
01:16:47,733 --> 01:16:51,778
on that Sunday night, he--
It was the strangest thing.
1661
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:56,408
He went to get a drink
at the sink in the kitchen.
1662
01:16:57,659 --> 01:17:01,455
And after he took his drink,
he-- he dropped to his knee...
1663
01:17:01,747 --> 01:17:04,749
...and really just, like,
grabbed his head
1664
01:17:04,750 --> 01:17:08,754
and sat here
for about 15, 20 seconds.
1665
01:17:09,379 --> 01:17:10,881
And I was looking at him,
and I said,
1666
01:17:11,173 --> 01:17:14,133
"Ty," I said,
"what's wrong, honey?"
1667
01:17:14,134 --> 01:17:16,803
And he said,
"I just feel like I could die."
1668
01:17:17,095 --> 01:17:18,513
And we're like,
"What is wrong?"
1669
01:17:18,514 --> 01:17:21,808
And he said,
"My head hurts so bad."
1670
01:17:23,602 --> 01:17:25,854
And that's haunted me
ever since then,
1671
01:17:26,146 --> 01:17:27,105
because I thought,
1672
01:17:27,940 --> 01:17:30,484
what could have been
going on with him
1673
01:17:30,776 --> 01:17:32,194
to make that statement?
1674
01:17:32,778 --> 01:17:34,612
And then he just stood up...
1675
01:17:34,613 --> 01:17:36,322
...ran out the backyard,
1676
01:17:36,323 --> 01:17:38,407
and started playing
with the kids all over again.
1677
01:17:38,408 --> 01:17:40,159
And so, I--
1678
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,663
You know, I-- I didn't think
much of it at the time.
1679
01:17:43,330 --> 01:17:46,416
Later that day,
Tyler left with his girlfriend
1680
01:17:46,708 --> 01:17:48,502
and her little girl,
and he said
1681
01:17:48,794 --> 01:17:50,420
they were going to go
get something to eat.
1682
01:17:50,963 --> 01:17:53,257
He called me about,
1683
01:17:53,549 --> 01:17:55,591
I think it was
quarter to nine that night.
1684
01:17:55,592 --> 01:17:57,761
And he said, "Mom,
did I leave my billfold there?
1685
01:17:58,053 --> 01:17:59,221
I can't find it."
1686
01:17:59,930 --> 01:18:01,765
And I said, "I'll look."
1687
01:18:02,057 --> 01:18:04,560
And so, I looked around
the house, and I, uh--
1688
01:18:05,477 --> 01:18:07,187
I couldn't find it and I said,
1689
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:09,397
"No, I don't see it here
anywhere, honey.
1690
01:18:09,398 --> 01:18:11,441
And he said, "I was just going
to buy a couple of Gatorades."
1691
01:18:11,733 --> 01:18:13,067
And so she gave him...
1692
01:18:13,068 --> 01:18:14,486
...a $20 bill,
1693
01:18:14,778 --> 01:18:16,071
and I really
hardly talked with him,
1694
01:18:16,363 --> 01:18:17,697
because he'd been here all day.
1695
01:18:17,698 --> 01:18:19,199
And I was helping the grandkids,
1696
01:18:19,491 --> 01:18:22,578
getting them ready
to get to bed, so he left.
1697
01:18:26,915 --> 01:18:30,210
Monday would have been
the day I left town,
1698
01:18:30,502 --> 01:18:32,713
because my kids
had school on Tuesday.
1699
01:18:33,005 --> 01:18:34,756
And so, I took them back
on Monday.
1700
01:18:35,048 --> 01:18:36,716
And I had texted him
when I left town,
1701
01:18:36,717 --> 01:18:37,926
but I thought he was busy,
1702
01:18:38,218 --> 01:18:40,011
because he was
supposed to be at a party
1703
01:18:40,012 --> 01:18:41,221
with his girlfriend.
1704
01:18:41,513 --> 01:18:42,972
And so, I didn't think
anything of it
1705
01:18:42,973 --> 01:18:44,558
that he didn't
message me back.
1706
01:18:44,850 --> 01:18:46,310
Took the dog for a walk,
1707
01:18:46,602 --> 01:18:48,144
and I went over to his house,
and I opened the door,
1708
01:18:48,145 --> 01:18:50,105
and I saw him
sleeping on the couch.
1709
01:18:51,106 --> 01:18:53,692
And, uh, so the dog
came running to the door,
1710
01:18:53,984 --> 01:18:55,985
and I took her,
and we went for an hour walk.
1711
01:18:55,986 --> 01:18:58,739
And I came back,
and he was still asleep.
1712
01:18:59,031 --> 01:19:00,240
And I was really surprised,
1713
01:19:00,532 --> 01:19:02,867
because he did not sleep
very well.
1714
01:19:02,868 --> 01:19:05,369
So, I kind of
snuck in and tiptoed
1715
01:19:05,370 --> 01:19:06,996
really pretty close to him
1716
01:19:06,997 --> 01:19:08,206
that I could have
reached out and touched him,
1717
01:19:08,207 --> 01:19:09,416
and I didn't look at him.
1718
01:19:12,794 --> 01:19:15,756
I hadn't heard from him,
uh, yet that morning.
1719
01:19:16,048 --> 01:19:18,424
It was still 8:30, nine o'clock.
1720
01:19:18,425 --> 01:19:20,259
And then I hadn't heard
from him the day before,
1721
01:19:20,260 --> 01:19:22,887
which is when I assumed
he was catching up on his sleep.
1722
01:19:22,888 --> 01:19:26,975
I got a text message
from his girlfriend saying,
1723
01:19:29,228 --> 01:19:30,395
She said...
1724
01:19:40,113 --> 01:19:42,491
And I asked her, you know,
if she saw him before she left,
1725
01:19:42,783 --> 01:19:44,408
and she hadn't.
1726
01:19:44,409 --> 01:19:46,160
And so she was going to get
a hold of her mom,
1727
01:19:46,161 --> 01:19:48,288
and that's when we kind of
put everything together.
1728
01:19:48,580 --> 01:19:53,126
My daughter had called
and said that, uh...
1729
01:19:54,044 --> 01:19:55,921
his girlfriend
had called her and said
1730
01:19:56,213 --> 01:19:57,797
she had text Tyler a few times,
1731
01:19:57,798 --> 01:19:59,257
and she didn't hear
back from him.
1732
01:19:59,258 --> 01:20:00,467
She was concerned.
1733
01:20:01,385 --> 01:20:03,553
She said, "Are you going
over there to get Bella?"
1734
01:20:03,554 --> 01:20:04,971
And I said,
"Yeah, I'll be over there
1735
01:20:04,972 --> 01:20:06,640
probably in a half an hour.
1736
01:20:06,932 --> 01:20:10,435
So I felt a little sense
of relief, and then I--
1737
01:20:10,727 --> 01:20:13,062
Then that fear started
creeping back up in me,
1738
01:20:13,063 --> 01:20:14,481
and I said-- I said,
1739
01:20:14,773 --> 01:20:16,567
"Just go make sure,"
because I thought,
1740
01:20:16,859 --> 01:20:18,568
you know,
she didn't talk to him.
1741
01:20:18,569 --> 01:20:22,029
So, I went over,
and I, uh, I opened the door.
1742
01:20:22,030 --> 01:20:23,948
The dog was sitting
in the chair,
1743
01:20:23,949 --> 01:20:24,992
scared to death.
1744
01:20:25,659 --> 01:20:28,202
I opened the door,
and she bolted right for me.
1745
01:20:28,203 --> 01:20:30,038
I took her out
and put her in my car.
1746
01:20:30,664 --> 01:20:33,708
I could see him.
1747
01:20:33,709 --> 01:20:36,545
And so, I went back in
after I got the dog, and I--
1748
01:20:37,629 --> 01:20:40,006
It was like somebody else
was inside my body
1749
01:20:40,007 --> 01:20:44,051
walking up to my son,
looking at him.
1750
01:20:44,052 --> 01:20:45,720
Because I knew
it would be the last time
1751
01:20:45,721 --> 01:20:47,222
I'd ever see his face.
1752
01:20:48,724 --> 01:20:50,517
And it wasn't a good picture.
1753
01:20:53,061 --> 01:20:54,313
And I just--
1754
01:20:55,939 --> 01:20:58,357
I don't know, I was hoping
to get some kind of peace
1755
01:20:58,358 --> 01:20:59,735
by seeing him...
1756
01:21:01,820 --> 01:21:04,031
but I-- but I didn't get that.
1757
01:21:04,823 --> 01:21:08,117
His sister, Megan, called me
and was crying hysterically,
1758
01:21:08,118 --> 01:21:10,494
and I couldn't really understand
what she was saying.
1759
01:21:10,495 --> 01:21:12,247
All I could make out
was she kept saying,
1760
01:21:12,539 --> 01:21:14,333
"He's gone, he's gone,
he's gone, Heather."
1761
01:21:15,334 --> 01:21:18,795
And then I started crying,
and I picked up my stuff...
1762
01:21:22,799 --> 01:21:23,967
and...
1763
01:21:25,052 --> 01:21:27,221
went out the door
and went over to the house.
1764
01:21:28,722 --> 01:21:30,015
I just stayed outside
1765
01:21:30,307 --> 01:21:32,308
because the police
were just getting there,
1766
01:21:32,309 --> 01:21:34,685
and then eventually
his mom came out
1767
01:21:34,686 --> 01:21:35,896
and said he was gone.
1768
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:44,196
♪ In a sea of stars ♪
1769
01:21:47,824 --> 01:21:51,411
♪ I can find you shining ♪
1770
01:21:55,249 --> 01:21:59,586
♪ Reflections on the water ♪
1771
01:22:01,797 --> 01:22:07,052
♪ For a million miles ♪
1772
01:22:10,222 --> 01:22:13,684
♪ Just don't say goodbye ♪
1773
01:22:17,646 --> 01:22:22,234
♪ The air is feeling thin ♪
1774
01:22:25,404 --> 01:22:29,491
♪ Breathe, take your time ♪
1775
01:22:31,493 --> 01:22:36,415
♪ And when you feel
like flying ♪
1776
01:22:38,458 --> 01:22:41,295
♪ Glow ♪
1777
01:22:43,130 --> 01:22:48,301
♪ Still see it in the shadow ♪
1778
01:22:48,302 --> 01:22:50,845
If you could have
two minutes with Tyler,
1779
01:22:50,846 --> 01:22:52,181
what would you tell him?
1780
01:22:56,768 --> 01:22:59,395
Oh, that's a hard one.
1781
01:22:59,396 --> 01:23:00,480
Two minutes, huh?
1782
01:23:01,106 --> 01:23:04,567
Is this the two-minute drill?
1783
01:23:04,568 --> 01:23:10,406
Um, I guess I would tell him
how sorry that I was...
1784
01:23:10,407 --> 01:23:11,992
that I didn't know...
1785
01:23:14,161 --> 01:23:16,788
...that I didn't have
the compassion for him.
1786
01:23:17,664 --> 01:23:20,542
Because I didn't understand,
because as a parent,
1787
01:23:21,335 --> 01:23:23,921
I was still hard on him.
1788
01:23:25,172 --> 01:23:28,675
I didn't understand why
he wasn't going to get a job,
1789
01:23:28,967 --> 01:23:32,804
even though he couldn't--
His mind was not there.
1790
01:23:33,805 --> 01:23:36,600
I just thought I needed to use
tough love on him...
1791
01:23:38,977 --> 01:23:41,355
but I would've told him
that I was so sorry.
1792
01:23:41,897 --> 01:23:44,775
Tyler was the type
of person that,
1793
01:23:45,067 --> 01:23:48,903
especially in the last
couple years of his life,
1794
01:23:48,904 --> 01:23:51,906
would just randomly
text me and say,
1795
01:23:51,907 --> 01:23:53,533
"I love you, Megan.
1796
01:23:53,534 --> 01:23:55,202
I'm so proud of you
for this, this, and this."
1797
01:23:55,494 --> 01:23:58,247
He just didn't leave it unsaid.
1798
01:23:58,539 --> 01:24:01,499
He-- he made sure
to tell the people that he loved
1799
01:24:01,500 --> 01:24:03,502
how much he cared about them,
1800
01:24:03,794 --> 01:24:08,757
and so because he did that,
it was reciprocated by-- by me,
1801
01:24:09,049 --> 01:24:12,719
and him and I had many of those
heartfelt conversations.
1802
01:24:13,595 --> 01:24:17,181
I think I'd tell him
I loved him,
1803
01:24:17,182 --> 01:24:19,393
and I would have done
anything for him,
1804
01:24:19,977 --> 01:24:21,854
but I know
he already knows that.
1805
01:24:24,690 --> 01:24:25,983
I'd tell him I love him,
1806
01:24:26,567 --> 01:24:30,987
and I'd tell him
how much we care about...
1807
01:24:30,988 --> 01:24:32,030
what he stood for.
1808
01:24:33,073 --> 01:24:34,491
That's what I'd--
1809
01:24:34,783 --> 01:24:37,703
That's what I'd do,
because, you know...
1810
01:24:38,996 --> 01:24:43,124
a special person, um...
1811
01:24:43,125 --> 01:24:47,461
you know, a special--
a special family person,
1812
01:24:47,462 --> 01:24:49,630
a great player.
1813
01:24:49,631 --> 01:24:50,966
I would tell him that,
1814
01:24:51,258 --> 01:24:52,843
and it had nothing
to do with football.
1815
01:24:53,468 --> 01:24:55,469
I'd tell him I love him,
and I'd tell him
1816
01:24:55,470 --> 01:24:57,472
what he stood for was--
was really important.
1817
01:24:57,764 --> 01:24:59,974
I'm still kind of lost.
1818
01:24:59,975 --> 01:25:01,435
I don't really know
1819
01:25:01,935 --> 01:25:05,439
where I want to be yet
or what I'm doing.
1820
01:25:07,524 --> 01:25:09,902
I just hope
everyone listens and...
1821
01:25:11,028 --> 01:25:13,280
and the awareness
is raised for it.
1822
01:25:13,822 --> 01:25:14,948
The facts come out.
1823
01:25:16,783 --> 01:25:17,868
Thanks.
1824
01:25:39,223 --> 01:25:40,349
Ouch.
1825
01:25:41,767 --> 01:25:43,810
- Did that hurt?
- No.
1826
01:25:44,436 --> 01:25:45,771
Then why did you say "ouch?"
1827
01:25:48,106 --> 01:25:49,983
Ouch.
1828
01:25:57,991 --> 01:26:00,535
What do you miss
most about your Uncle Tyler?
1829
01:26:00,536 --> 01:26:01,787
Um...
1830
01:26:09,336 --> 01:26:11,922
For people 15,
20 years down the road,
1831
01:26:12,214 --> 01:26:15,675
I'd want them to say,
that kid came out every day,
1832
01:26:15,676 --> 01:26:17,218
no matter what it was.
1833
01:26:17,219 --> 01:26:19,137
He'd do it,
he'd get it done,
1834
01:26:19,429 --> 01:26:20,764
and he'd work hard,
1835
01:26:21,056 --> 01:26:22,641
and he was a good
role model for kids.
1836
01:26:22,933 --> 01:26:26,103
Kids looked up to him,
and he was a leader.
1837
01:26:36,697 --> 01:26:39,700
Well, the good news
is that my son knows Jesus,
1838
01:26:40,617 --> 01:26:44,538
and my son's going to be
waiting
for me on the other side,
1839
01:26:44,830 --> 01:26:46,331
and so I have that hope.
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