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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,760 - Good morning, Dr. Lüders. - Yes, good morning. 2 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,640 {\an8}We would like to do a short interview do with you. 3 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,600 {\an8}- But one minute, no longer. - One minute, yes. 4 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,160 {\an8}Then I'm leaving this beautiful landscape. 5 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,440 - Yes. - No no. 6 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,720 - We would like to… - I don't want to get under the car. 7 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:01,640 No. 8 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,760 We would like to warmly welcome you to Congratulations on your 80th birthday. 9 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:05,680 Thanks. 10 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,240 - And to the award of the honorary doctorate. - Thanks. 11 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,120 And would you like ask some questions. 12 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:17,000 What do you think today about the realization of your great concern, 13 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,280 women's equality? 14 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,480 It is partly fulfilled, on the other hand, not. 15 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,720 And if people don’t keep fighting, 16 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,520 they become what they have, lose again. 17 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:29,920 May I please address something? 18 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:30,840 And? 19 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:34,520 You are the mediator announced in the Bundestag. 20 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:38,040 What would you do today about the mediating role of women 21 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,040 in active politics? 22 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:45,320 I think that without the mediation the woman doesn't care at all, 23 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,320 because men have a strong have a tendency to quarrel, 24 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,120 and the women an equally have a strong tendency to reconcile. 25 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:53,920 - Thank you, Dr. Lüders. - Please. 26 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,200 Power is seen as unfeminine. 27 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,640 I've never understood that. 28 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:27,880 I can still remember to my first major event 29 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,520 with Susanne von Paczensky, with Eva Rühmkorf in Berlin. 30 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,960 Big posters, I was so proud. 31 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,240 It said "Women and Power?" And behind it a question mark. 32 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,760 And I was the only one on the podium, 33 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,960 who said, that I don't understand the question mark. 34 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:49,280 That I want power, that power something is not bad per se, 35 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,040 but only the way how to exercise power can be bad, 36 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,760 and of course then has to be criticized. 37 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,320 But if I am powerless, then I am powerless. 38 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,680 And precisely because I am a woman, I don't want to be powerless, 39 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,240 but I want power, that means having influence, 40 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,200 about the things that I think are right, to be able to enforce. 41 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,720 My German teacher always clearly expressed: 42 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,960 "Ursula, politics is unfeminine," she always told me. 43 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,440 And the more she said it, "Ursula, politics is unfeminine," 44 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,520 the more I annoyed her, of course. 45 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,120 But it made me to become increasingly involved in politics. 46 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,240 When I graduated from high school, they came to me and said: 47 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,080 "So, we wish you all the best for the future 48 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,520 and that you will become a Hamm-Brücher, but in our sense." 49 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,960 Hamm-Brücher was so the controversial politician in Bavaria, 50 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,760 has advanced education policy, but she was very, very argumentative, 51 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,160 and of course not in the spirit of the monastery school. 52 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,480 So I was allowed to become Hamm-Brücher, 53 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,720 but please with your values. 54 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,120 Since 1950 entered the Bavarian state parliament, 55 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,840 Hildegard Hamm-Brücher fights for better school policy. 56 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,280 Courage to be independent, Civil courage and expertise 57 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,760 made it one of the most famous German cultural politicians. 58 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,960 And what is her most urgent political goal at the moment? 59 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:21,240 {\an8}The external and internal school conditions for our children to improve 60 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,480 as urgently needed 61 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:29,120 and as unfortunately happened in the past Again and again, far too little happened. 62 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,400 My mother has me already driven to learn, 63 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,840 because she hadn't had a high school diploma 64 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,560 and said: "Girl, learn something! 65 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:42,800 What you have learned no one can take that away from you anymore." 66 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,840 My father was also something very conservative, he said: 67 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,600 "Girl, don't study so much, you won't get a man." 68 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,480 A woman has two questions in life: 69 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,880 What should I wear? And what should I cook? 70 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,440 Yes, that was the image of women. 71 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,560 The man is the breadwinner, the woman is a housewife/mother 72 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:08,480 and makes it possible for him if he has a corresponding position, 73 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:14,600 also invite guests, to lead a social life. 74 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:20,320 And with their own education it also supports the children. 75 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,360 {\an8}I remember a classmate, that was in high school, 76 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:29,400 {\an8}she suddenly said, she wants to study mathematics. 77 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,400 And even we all fell off our chairs, 78 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:37,280 because we couldn’t imagine that a girl studies mathematics. 79 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,440 When a woman, a young girl then danced out of line, 80 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,040 then it was made clear to her, that she violated the role model. 81 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,320 The sentence: "She's getting married anyway", accompanied me the whole time, 82 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,240 until finally at the beginning of my studies. 83 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,480 And when I arrived in Berlin started studying law, 84 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,120 There were less than 10% of us women. 85 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:04,600 Or in lectures, if then the famous Professor Raape in Hamburg 86 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:09,240 Auditorium day addressed as "gentlemen". 87 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:14,160 Although we all, the few Girls who were in the lecture 88 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,720 sat in the front row. He stuck with "gentlemen." 89 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,960 I still have the right to speak here! 90 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:36,480 From your trust 91 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,000 I am first in the German Reich. 92 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,200 The reunification a free fatherland, 93 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,720 This is where the wish comes from. 94 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,760 We want to dare more democracy. 95 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,160 We want to 96 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,320 don't experiment. 97 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,640 …no experiments, 98 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,040 because they are the German people again would fall into the abyss. 99 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,680 I was at the Adenauer Foundation yesterday, 100 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,280 the pictures were hanging there. Only blackcoats. 101 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:23,480 So the former leading commissions, ministers, 102 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,720 all blackcoats, not a single woman among them. 103 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,680 I once said: 104 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,000 "A democracy can't be just half." 105 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,840 To the wholeness of a people include women and men. 106 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,280 {\an8}I am of the opinion that the woman on gives all areas their own share, 107 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,000 {\an8}and therefore also in politics. 108 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,280 {\an8}I would like to say, also as Federal Minister there would be opportunities for a woman. 109 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,760 This would certainly affect the cabinet meetings revive, Mr. Minister. 110 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,960 Oh, please not just as a decorative item. 111 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:58,440 But I would like to believe that there are some capable woman in our country, 112 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:01,960 the professional and factual to the difficult conversation between the men 113 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,960 about order, about the future could give their part. 114 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,560 Yes, I meant that very seriously. 115 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:09,800 I believe women can contribute to cabinet meetings, 116 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,640 which the men don't immediately realize. Not, Minister? 117 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,280 I definitely think that women could help us, including in the cabinet. 118 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,920 That was my first experience, A real experience. In the Bundestag 119 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:27,240 our women's group called by Mrs Brauksiepe, 120 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,880 and then in each committee had to be a woman, 121 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,360 and in the federal government, Adenauer didn't get any. 122 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,040 And then four went to Adenauer, 123 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,400 Fr. Brauksiepe with a chic hat… 124 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:26,800 Then they came back and said: 125 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,760 "So we did it." 126 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,440 And then we were excited for Dr. Schwarzhaupt. 127 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:35,040 It was fantastic. 128 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:40,160 So it really wasn’t just later Minister of Health, 129 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:45,240 but as a very young woman she was in the Stresemann party, 130 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,240 in the German People's Party, leading in administration. 131 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,480 Then very active in the confessing church, 132 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,640 and then after the war also under construction immediately. 133 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,680 Dr. Schwarzhaupt did it really well 134 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,240 and introduced many new things. 135 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,480 For example labeling of food and such, 136 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,160 which did not exist before. 137 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,800 I swear it, so help me God. 138 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,240 Your appointment, Dr. Schwarzhaupt, 139 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,080 the first female minister the Federal Republic 140 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,400 causes us a little embarrassment, Regarding the salutation: 141 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,440 Madam Minister or Madam Minister? 142 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,840 {\an8}I mean Madam Minister, because I am a woman 143 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,480 {\an8}and since the German language has two forms, one female and one male, 144 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:52,840 for such words. 145 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,760 It may be a little ungallant, but it is it is not worth considering asking yourself, 146 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,800 whether a woman in politics has a completely wants to take a certain position, 147 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,600 should or must only because because she is a woman? 148 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,160 So ungallant seems to me Your question doesn't even exist. 149 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,240 It is a question that has been appears wherever you work. 150 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,360 But personally I have the encouraging experience, 151 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,280 that women can also be trusted, 152 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,520 because we are often expected to do a lot. 153 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:30,520 And what you have to contribute is something other than what the man brings. 154 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,480 When I work like a man, speak like a man, 155 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,760 could one have my own husband yes, have been sent here for 20 years, 156 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,880 and that is simply not the case. 157 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,400 Vive la différence, if you will. 158 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,960 Everyone brings the par he has, to do the whole thing right. 159 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,760 It is no one there to decide. 160 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,960 Gentlemen, in the hour of need 161 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,240 must be determined Decisions are made. 162 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,240 And there has always been in history courageous women of humanity, 163 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,240 who intervened to save the day. 164 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:00,000 I am the longest-serving member of the Company, everything obeys my command. 165 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,480 Oh my God. 166 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,360 Initially, the women Lone fighters, all for themselves. 167 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:12,440 And then, in the 70s, the other women were discovered, 168 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,680 who were in the same situation. 169 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:20,520 And you no longer have to fight each other competes for the only women's place, 170 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,240 but they have joined forces, for more women's places, 171 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:26,720 in quotation marks. 172 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,960 I began, to be interested in politics. 173 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,920 I took take part in political events. 174 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,840 Until then, I had didn't trust anything at all, 175 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,160 I also lived in a marriage, who didn't have much faith in me. 176 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,200 And I started to get involved in political to go to events and noticed: 177 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,640 "People are listening to you, when you make an argument." 178 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,120 I suddenly felt two meters bigger, very confirmed, 179 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,160 and suddenly got courage to your own self start now. 180 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,880 How do you manage to have family and work under one roof? 181 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,760 This is a question that generally unfortunately only female politicians are asked. 182 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,560 I have… You have to of course make compromises. 183 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,760 {\an8}You have to live your life organize differently. 184 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,600 {\an8}But it can be done this way, how businesswomen manage 185 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,920 {\an8}as women of farmers. 186 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:19,000 The father of my children was very bad cope with this new role model. 187 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:23,680 Suddenly I was no longer the one who only idolized her husband 188 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,880 and otherwise kept his mouth shut. I had my own opinion. 189 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,040 He was very bad at dealing with it and we broke up. 190 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,200 In '68 I took my exams in Berlin, I then returned to Tübingen, 191 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,800 was then for a while district chairman there 192 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,680 and then, from 1970, 193 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:44,640 the social democratic women in Baden-Württemberg, 194 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,640 a bit scary our then state leaders, 195 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,400 because they support our cheerful terrorism, actually, we didn't really like it that much. 196 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:58,240 Because of course we said: "So, in the next local elections, 197 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:01,680 we want to increase the proportion of women to the Municipal Parliament 198 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,480 at least double, if not more." 199 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,120 We looked at 200 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,280 which regulations within the party you have to know, 201 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:14,720 how is a budget drawn up, how do I present myself, 202 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,040 what are the typical characteristics, how men behave in committees, 203 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,560 how do they negate women, what do you do about it and things like that. 204 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,560 And we had a lot of fun, and it was successful too. 205 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,280 My name is Herta Däubler-Gmelin, am 29 years old, 206 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,040 Member of Parliament since 19 November and by the way, Swabian. 207 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:46,440 It blows through the whole history a move towards emancipation 208 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:52,720 From humans to infusoria Everywhere the woman wants to be on the throne 209 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,480 From the Amazons to the Berlin Range 210 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,200 A cry like thunder roars 211 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,040 "What men can do, we have long been able 212 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,200 And maybe a whole lot more" 213 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,360 Get the men out of the Reichstag 214 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,120 And get the men out of the state parliament 215 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,400 And get the men out of the mansion 216 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,600 We're turning it into a women's shelter 217 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,760 Get men out of existence 218 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,760 And get the men out of here 219 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,840 And get the men out of there 220 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,680 They should have left long ago 221 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,600 Yes, get the men out of the building 222 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,080 And get into those things with the woman! 223 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,320 Morning, Sister Ina. 224 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,640 - May I? - But of course. 225 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,320 I advise you to to do with the head nurse. 226 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,640 She'll stick one on you. 227 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,760 Well, he might not like it. 228 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,800 But you do, You can see that. 229 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,160 You're confusing that. 230 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,960 I'm just being lenient, because you are sick. 231 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,480 Not that sick, huh? 232 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,800 Impudence! 233 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,800 - So what's going on? - Nothing more. 234 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,400 Some hold Nurses for fair game. 235 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,240 You take things like that with humor. 236 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,320 So, it was before the summer break. 237 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,880 A major educational policy debate was in the Bundestag. 238 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,320 I practically had to give the last speech. 239 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,920 And then I go back to my place where I am. 240 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:52,560 Halfway Stücklen stands in front of me and says: 241 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,520 "Mrs. Schuchardt…" Takes his Thumb, goes over my back 242 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,600 and suddenly makes the CSU like this… 243 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,840 Did I say, "What was that?" 244 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,160 "Yes, we bet: Is she wearing a bra or not? 245 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,520 I say, "So?" "Yeah, he doesn't wear one." 246 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,400 Someone has to the press. 247 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,280 Oh God, now the summer break was over, 248 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,760 and I think, how terrible, so I went to the presidium and said: 249 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,520 "Mr. Stücklen, excuse me. I didn't give this to the press." 250 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,840 Then the man actually says to me: 251 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,440 "Oh, don't worry, has strengthened my liberal image." 252 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,360 You also had to learn to ward off dredging, 253 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,880 that the Lord is not mortally offended and then your sworn enemy is in the faction. 254 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,720 I want to say this quite openly: 255 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,120 We have nothing against old men, 256 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,520 We don't have anything against old women either. 257 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,760 {\an8}We have nothing against young women either. I would like to say that too. 258 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,960 {\an8}Only… only… 259 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:55,280 {\an8}So dear Mrs. Nickels, Ms. Hickel, Ms. Vollmer, Ms. Schoppe, 260 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,400 I want to say, We all grow old together. 261 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:03,880 They look partly It sounds quite acceptable, that's true, but... 262 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,240 But I want to tell you this, as far as old men are concerned, 263 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:13,160 the ravages of time, the ravages of time is also bothering you quite a bit, 264 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,120 I want to tell you that. 265 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,920 You had to master that skillfully, this… this game, 266 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:23,800 defend, but not… not to insult as a man in any way. 267 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,440 This was the case in all groups, also with us. 268 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,640 Unfortunately, I have to say, Journalists also dug. 269 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,520 When something is taboo here on the political stage, 270 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,800 then it is the intimate lives of Bonn politicians. 271 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,680 A Sunday paper and the Greens 272 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,600 have now with this discretion Broke up. 273 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,640 Green MP Klaus Hecker from Kronberg in Hesse 274 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,240 has come under fire. 275 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:52,000 He is supposed to inform parliamentary group staff of the Greens who groped breasts, 276 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:54,440 if I ever can be expressed so casually. 277 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,320 Ms. Schoppe, what is wrong with the Accusations against Mr. Hecker? 278 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,200 It was actually the case that Mr. Hecker grabbed three women's breasts. 279 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,720 Wouldn’t it be better to resolve such conflicts humanely, 280 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,320 as the political club to swing? 281 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,840 A slap in the face would be there for example, also appropriate. 282 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,080 But then it would have been an isolated case, 283 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,240 the conflict between Klaus Hecker and a woman, and that's not how it is. 284 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:22,760 It is a social reality, and we want to uncover them. 285 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,880 What do you think of breast grabbing and butt pinching? 286 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,080 That is currently under discussion. 287 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,160 They don't do that to me anymore. 288 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,920 At work, you should avoid In my free time I am in favor of it. 289 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,600 If it were something extraordinary, I would do it anyway. 290 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,040 Haven’t you ever thought about doing something like that? 291 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,320 Why? I've actually done that before. 292 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,080 And what happened? 293 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,080 The woman said that was nice. But that wasn’t in the Bundestag either. 294 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,880 I have VIP service at the airport made for all the politicians, 295 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,240 that were "in" at the time: Strauss, Stücklen… 296 00:24:56,360 --> 00:25:01,040 Although I have to say, at my job there at the airport 297 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,400 I have the politicians not only positive experiences. 298 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,880 So, if you thinks about the MeToo debate 299 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,280 and to some of those I looked after there, 300 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,400 in the morning when they are completely drunk went on the plane, 301 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,600 then… there is a lot that could be said. 302 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,440 Touches and other things I have already experienced 303 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,280 also with Richard Stücklen. 304 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,440 I was at an event with him, still in my early stages. 305 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:26,840 Then he said: 306 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,320 "She's not married, She's not that ugly after all." 307 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,680 Uh… I thought that… I would prefer that… 308 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,680 If I hadn't been in front of people, I would have slapped him in the face. 309 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,320 Celebrity help for the lawyer Friedrich Bohl, 310 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,800 Member since 1970 of the Hessian State Parliament. 311 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,680 He is now moving to Bonn. 312 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,880 Richard Stücklen explains to Ms. Bohl, what she got herself into. 313 00:25:50,670 --> 00:25:54,910 {\an8}If my wife doesn't would have shown so much understanding, 314 00:25:55,145 --> 00:25:59,225 I would never have been in politics can do that, 315 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,800 what I have done in 31 years now. 316 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,000 I'm happy to believe that. 317 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:06,680 If the woman is not right, doesn't help at all. 318 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,600 Even today, people trivialize This MeToo debate. Um… 319 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:15,040 If women had spoken sooner… sooner, 320 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,240 one would also have in the areas, 321 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:19,920 I believe, developed a different sensitivity. 322 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,640 {\an8}I would like to say something briefly to say about last night. 323 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,520 {\an8}Dear ladies and gentlemen, Dear friends, 324 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,080 {\an8}last night is here been insulted in an unqualified manner. 325 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,760 You have… You still have to work on yourselves, gentlemen, 326 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,720 so that the dignity of this house doesn't quite get to the point. 327 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,680 The discussion about paragraph 218 has started again. 328 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,280 This paragraph, which, under certain conditions 329 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,720 the woman's abortion a pregnancy is possible, 330 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,520 has the suffering that the abortion cannot reduce the impact that this entails. 331 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,120 That was a very sober speech, if you listen to it again. 332 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,600 She doesn't have raised his voice magnificently, 333 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,480 but she spoke rather quietly. 334 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,160 And probably because they also armed internally, 335 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,760 because she knew what was coming. 336 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,360 We move in a society, standardizes living conditions: 337 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,920 on uniform fashions, Uniform housing, uniform opinion, 338 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,480 also on a uniform morality. 339 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,000 What led to that people lie down in the evening 340 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,120 and before falling asleep perform a unit exercise. 341 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,440 The man usually carries out negligent penetration. 342 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,560 Negligent, because most men 343 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,160 take no action for contraception. 344 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,600 I admired her, I say this quite openly, 345 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,280 because I heard the same words in the Bundestag would probably not have voted, 346 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,200 but I thought it was absolutely right. 347 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,240 This speech was a great celebration for all women, 348 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,000 who is interested in women and women's movement. 349 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,120 So never, never has anyone spoken in the Bundestag. 350 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,920 We demand punishment in cases of marital rape. 351 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,640 We urge you to to finally acknowledge 352 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,040 that women have a right to self-determination 353 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,080 about her body and her life. 354 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:40,560 We urge all of you to to stop sexism here in Parliament. 355 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,320 The mood at the time of the speech at Mrs. Schoppe's, was simply disgusting. 356 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,880 I mean, something like "witch", well, that's not very nice, 357 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,960 but not below the belt. 358 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,280 But things happened, clearly sexualized, 359 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:13,400 which was shouted at her, something like: "Nobody wants to sleep with you anyway." 360 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,320 So really very ugly. 361 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,160 I would have not expected from MPs. 362 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,000 I realize I said the right thing, You are... you are hit. 363 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,480 That was, 364 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,600 yes, it was embarrassing sometimes for the men. 365 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,280 One really felt sorry for the men, 366 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,280 who had to roar like that in certain passages, 367 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,320 because they are so in their innermost being were attacked 368 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,120 and were no longer accepted as natural rulers in the world. 369 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,440 It was already like this, that the colleagues did not understand 370 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,280 how they actually treat us. 371 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,040 For them we were just a few garnishes, so little flowers, 372 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,400 but not necessarily serious politicians, 373 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,520 who have just as much to say as they do. 374 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,640 A real turning point would be 375 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,400 if up here for example a chancellor would stand 376 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,080 and would point out to people 377 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,640 that there are forms of lovemaking, who are lustful 378 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,040 and the possibility of a Completely rule out pregnancy. 379 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,960 But of course you can just talk about it, 380 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,680 of which at least understands a little bit. 381 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,360 Seriously, I would agree with the Chancellor never want to talk about it. 382 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,600 Anyone who, through their politics… 383 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,920 Anyone who destroys the environment through their policies and initiated misanthropic actions, 384 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,520 has missed the chance 385 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,160 in the conversation about sensuality to be included. 386 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,200 The word colleague Kleinert, Hanover. 387 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,720 Mr. President! 388 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,960 Ladies and gentlemen. 389 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,920 {\an8}We're not half as uptight, 390 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,000 {\an8}as I did after the lecture, that we just heard… here… 391 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,000 …have to accept that we suspect it. 392 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,400 A lot of people live in this country, 393 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,200 very healthy, balanced, also cheerful, 394 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,960 cheerful in a very healthy way, 395 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,720 and still don't do it the subject of plenary debates, 396 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,080 how they live. 397 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,840 That was, if I remember correctly, Her first speech in the Bundestag. 398 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,400 And then you get a rush 399 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,120 from, yes, not friendlier, relaxed cheerfulness, 400 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,120 but, as I felt, but one sees, 401 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,960 yes, actually being laughed at. 402 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,360 So I had cheerfulness and relaxation in Parliament anyway not expected, 403 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:36,960 I have to say. 404 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:42,080 And when that happened with the laughter and also with the aggressions, 405 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,160 I thought, just now, 406 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,520 there is still a lot to be done Basic work needs to be done. 407 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,000 And we have performed than women. 408 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,800 {\an8}The foreign policy orientation of our country is at stake. 409 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,000 {\an8}The Soviet Union must not succeed 410 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,960 {\an8}with the help of their enormous armament efforts, 411 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,840 which are not caused by any recognizable Need for defense and security 412 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:01,880 are to be justified, 413 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,120 to intimidate us Western Europeans, 414 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:08,680 our political restrict freedom of action 415 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,800 and us from the United States. 416 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,080 Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, 417 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,880 I would like to ask you first not to laugh. 418 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,600 The chain I have around my neck is not a carnival item. 419 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,840 She is more highly respected in Hiroshima than the Federal Cross of Merit here. 420 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,400 I ask you to support the chain here to show due respect. 421 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,480 It consists of 1,000 cranes. 422 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,560 The crane is a national symbol for happiness and peace in Japan, 423 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,680 and there is an old custom and an old legend: 424 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,480 Whoever folds 1,000 cranes, 425 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,840 he will be lucky, Blessings and a long life. 426 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,600 And after the bomb fell, 427 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:11,680 have many survivors in their misery and despair 428 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,680 raised himself up by the thought 429 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,480 and tried to fold 1,000 cranes, 430 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,840 before they die from radiation... well, just died away. 431 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:25,200 In 1982 I had in our area the entire peace movement was first built 432 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,880 and then expressly also a women's peace movement, 433 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,480 because I knew exactly: 434 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,080 One could this denunciation of the peace movement, 435 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,880 "all controlled by Moscow", 436 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,320 "Freaks who have nothing else to do than to demonstrate", 437 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,240 pull the tooth when mothers, Grandmothers and children appeared. 438 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,800 We have woven barracks gates shut, Breakfasts organized. 439 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,800 The General Commander came then secretly in civilian clothes by bicycle 440 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,280 and looked at it. 441 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,520 It has lifted them out of their forms, because they didn't expect it. 442 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,160 Fr. Nickels, 443 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:30,400 Your concern about the consequences the Hiroshima catastrophe is moving. 444 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,240 I share this concern, 445 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,360 because as a child in my severely destroyed hometown Koblenz 446 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,760 experienced the bombing nights. 447 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,240 I was buried twice. 448 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,240 I know, how terrible war was even back then. 449 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,480 I also know from his stories, 450 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:57,880 that our Chancellor Helmut Kohl suffered the war very personally. 451 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,800 At the age of 13 he was in a school fire engine 452 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,920 used in the bombing war in Ludwigshafen, 453 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,680 and he has his brother lost through the death of soldiers. 454 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,000 Yes, Helmut Kohl was an emotional person, 455 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,360 you have to know that. And I can still remember 456 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,320 as I stepped down from the lectern, the two stages, 457 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,760 I came past the Chancellor's square. 458 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,680 Then he struck me with his paw on the shoulder, appreciatively, 459 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,480 and was of the opinion I would have done well. 460 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,200 What is bad is 461 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,920 that many in the peace movement 462 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,520 from this dispute make a religious war. 463 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,560 That they themselves consider to be the public conscience 464 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,640 and with their intolerance destroy inner peace. 465 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,120 That the peace movement I reject the idea that it is a fear movement. 466 00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:57,120 This is the fear movement, 467 00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:00,600 who sit on this government bench and scare us. 468 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:05,880 If we use our non-violent Resistance and civil disobedience 469 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,920 Legal regulations and violate laws, 470 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,880 then because of that, because we are in agreement with a higher law, 471 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,120 reckon with the law of conscience and because we know: 472 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:17,480 The power of the state is not absolute. 473 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,520 Petra Kelly was already an icon back then. For some she was a saint. 474 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:24,400 For others, yes… 475 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,880 They didn't exactly think positively of her. 476 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,560 But the women were strong, been very strong, 477 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,520 not only in the NATO double-track decision. 478 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:36,400 For us, Wackersdorf was a very big question. 479 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,400 Reprocessing plant in the Upper Palatinate. 480 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,760 And women were massively involved. 481 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,560 A final word to the children in the peace movement. 482 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,080 Parents were denounced, 483 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:54,880 who take their children to peace demonstrations on October 22nd. 484 00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:00,160 I have three children myself, and I tell you, it's rather the other way around. 485 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,120 Already the ten-year-olds take their parents with them. 486 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:08,840 - Do you think that's good? - Two topics… Yes, I think that's good. 487 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,640 There are two topics that concern them: 488 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,120 forest dieback and rearmament. 489 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:20,880 And so I would like to conclude with the Text of the banner by young people. 490 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,360 Yes stand: 491 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:28,080 "You deal with the world, as if you had a second one in the basement." 492 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,240 Let us show them that they were mistaken. 493 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,800 Women, I mean this across party lines with all women together, 494 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,880 that they are also in the rearmament debate, for example, 495 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,400 much more intensively on the real problems entered than all the men in there. 496 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,800 That was my feeling and I was happy because I felt 497 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,320 there is something connecting. 498 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,160 I don't want to sugarcoat it or strive for harmony, 499 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,600 but there is something there because maybe are more closely connected to everyday life. 500 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:03,200 As long as men rule us, carry the rockets in front of your head 501 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,040 like others have a plank in front of their heads, 502 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,360 things won't get better here, and we don't need new rockets. 503 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,840 We need new men in this country. 504 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,080 Mr President, 505 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,200 my dear Colleagues. 506 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,640 I can thank the Chancellor not express my distrust, 507 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,360 {\an8}after I told him just a few months ago 508 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,120 {\an8}I expressed my trust. 509 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,840 I find, that both of them don't deserve this: 510 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,280 Helmut Schmidt, to be overthrown without a vote, 511 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,840 and you, Helmut Kohl, without a vote to become Chancellor. 512 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,080 Hildegard Hamm-Brücher was a highly respected politician 513 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:46,040 and has in the Bundestag also gave really great speeches. 514 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,120 It was not easy, also in dealing with colleagues. 515 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:50,440 She had… 516 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,400 She was not a… "woman's woman", we said back then. 517 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,920 This was not a given for her, that she stands up for other women. 518 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:04,880 But then the famous Situation during the vote of no confidence. 519 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,760 It was then completely clear among us, 520 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,960 where it was clear that we would vote against it, that she would give the speech. 521 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,360 So I think these two processes have in my opinion 522 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,680 You give hatred. of violated democratic decency. 523 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,400 They damage 524 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,880 moral integrity of changes of power. 525 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,200 And then… 526 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,960 And then… 527 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,160 Yes, I see it that way, I'm sorry. 528 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,760 They see it differently and said so too. 529 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,240 I mean, that there can be no blessing on it. 530 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,760 It was clear to everyone, that an earthquake is now underway, 531 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,040 with this speech, and then also clear, 532 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,400 that this is now in the FDP would also trigger an earthquake. 533 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,720 Just two years ago the voter has clearly 534 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,480 in favor of the social-liberal Coalition decided. 535 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,360 Therefore we must ask him, before we change this. 536 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,200 Handshake between Dr. Hildegard Hamm-Brücher 537 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,480 and Chancellor Helmut Schmidt. 538 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,640 A very personal, 539 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,720 a very dense justification their voting behavior, 540 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,000 as soon as it comes to a vote. 541 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,240 {\an8}What I have heard here in terms of appeals, 542 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,240 {\an8}an Resentments, 543 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,720 of emotions, 544 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:49,280 I can only partially understand as an attack on our Constitution. 545 00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:02,080 {\an8}If freedom of expression a member of parliament 546 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,680 or a Member of Parliament, 547 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:12,720 who announce that according to their conscience to speak and act, 548 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:19,160 is referred to as an attack on our Constitution… 549 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:28,720 …as an attack on our Constitution, then the leadership must… 550 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,680 I only intend to speak three sentences. 551 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,080 And please let me finish. 552 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,360 I still have the right to speak here. 553 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,720 This Constitution is a moral institute of German politics. 554 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,200 And if, within the framework of this Constitution, 555 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:56,640 whether this is more or less in the specific situation, 556 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,400 decisions are made, work is done, 557 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,720 then it cannot be immoral 558 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,520 and certainly not be unchristian, Madam colleague. 559 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,400 Member of Parliament Dr. Helmut Kohl 560 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,480 is the Federal Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany. 561 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,880 - The question… - Buh! 562 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,800 Electing Helmut Kohl was a serious breach of trust among voters. 563 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,920 Truly a breach of an election promise. 564 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,280 We were not the only ones, it was a great uproar among the population. 565 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,640 That was against good faith, 566 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,040 and that is also the reason why I am with Genscher, 567 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,560 who kept it a secret until the end, never exchanged a word again. 568 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,480 Well, ladies and gentlemen, I am now really an old party conference warhorse. 569 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,160 I have most 570 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,480 in Germany since 1967 attended the party conferences that took place, 571 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,840 but I have never seen such a experienced a tearful party conference like this one. 572 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,320 Something must have happened here in this party. 573 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,360 I ask for your understanding, 574 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,040 that for me is simply a question of self-respect, 575 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:24,040 according to the result of this test to run for the Federal Executive Board. 576 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,600 That wasn't all. 577 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,680 For Ingrid Matthäus-Maier meant the re-election of Genscher 578 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,760 and the approval of the Bonn Change of power the loss of face of the FDP 579 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,400 and the development towards to a right-wing economic party. 580 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,720 Final concerns, final advice, final objections. 581 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,800 You can no longer change their minds. 582 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,120 She considers the FDP no longer as their political home. 583 00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:49,040 And the FDP party conference loses for a few moments 584 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,280 the atmosphere of businesslikeness, when she explains: 585 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,720 I am therefore resigning from my positions in the FDP down and leave the FDP. 586 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,480 Some more party resignations follow this evening. 587 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,200 Others hesitate and are at a loss. 588 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,400 Will there be a change after the Berlin party conference to a wave of resignations from the FDP? 589 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,680 Many fear it. 590 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,800 And so it was, with sometimes tragic outcomes. 591 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,800 Friendships have broken down. 592 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,640 I have experienced marriages who are broken by it, 593 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,440 on the change of coalition. 594 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,920 After that, life changed for many, for me, for example. 595 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:53,120 It was quite clear that this coalition… I could never have voted for Kohl. 596 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,040 I could never have chosen him. 597 00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:57,200 And with that I knew exactly: 598 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,280 I have to pay for this with my own political survival. 599 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,880 I am woman, hear me roar 600 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,800 In numbers too big to ignore 601 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,960 And I know too much To go back and pretend 602 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,280 'cause I've heard it all before 603 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,680 And I've been down there on the floor 604 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:52,120 No one's ever Going to keep me down again 605 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,200 - Oh yes, I am wise - Yes, I am wise 606 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,760 - But it's wisdom born of pain - Oh 607 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,600 - Yes, I've paid the price - Yes, I've paid the price 608 00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:03,360 But look how much I gained 609 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,280 - If I have to - Have to 610 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,320 - I can do anything - Anything 611 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,160 - I am strong - Strong 612 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,440 - I am invincible - Invincible 613 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,560 I am woman 614 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,640 May I introduce you to the Chancellor? 615 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,280 He will be happy, finally the chairwoman of a… 616 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:30,280 May I introduce you to Fr. Matthäus, the chairwoman of our Young Democrats? 617 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,000 And you already have had such a negotiation? 618 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,600 Yes, we already have had a negotiation. 619 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,880 At Bonn parties she is shown around like a bird of paradise. 620 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,400 A rare specimen: 621 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,200 a woman who, at the age of 26 622 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,720 Head of one of the three big political youth organizations. 623 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,320 But Ingrid Matthäus, new chairwoman of the Young Democrats, 624 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,880 wants to show it to their political fathers, would rather give them trouble than joy, 625 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,000 especially to his own party leader. 626 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,800 Many people were surprised, that for the first time a woman is now chairwoman 627 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,160 such a large organization. 628 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,240 And you? Do you think it is normal that a woman can hold such an office? 629 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,800 So I think that’s normal, 630 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,160 and the Young Democrats This is not abnormal either. 631 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,800 We have on many levels, 632 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,280 District, regional and state levels, Women as chairmen. 633 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,200 Of course, this is in previous public life 634 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:23,640 definitely not normal. 635 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,600 But I hope that this will be the or another woman gains more courage, 636 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:28,720 to do that too, 637 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,640 even if this is not the fundamental solves social problems, 638 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,600 which at the moment prevent women's emancipation. 639 00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:38,680 I still remember that dpa wrote at the time, 640 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,080 it might not have been entirely wrong: 641 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,560 "aggressive and attractive". 642 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,240 The problem is that as a woman, I noticed that very quickly, 643 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,200 if you are active, if you are decisive, 644 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:56,360 what you want and enforce it and say: "Now I get the majorities..." 645 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,400 I am sure a man would have been told: 646 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,480 "But he's decisive." 647 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,040 "He has ideas and visions, He wants to implement that." 648 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,040 But this is an experience, that I have collected over the years, 649 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:14,200 that when women say "I want it that way and that's what I'm fighting for," 650 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,560 which is viewed rather critically, also among viewers, rather than men. 651 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,680 That means "decisive" and not "authoritarian". 652 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,960 Since chaos rarely comes alone, 653 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,720 we now report about the expulsion of men 654 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,480 from paradise the Green Party leadership, 655 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,800 if there is a paradise should have been. 656 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,120 The Greens were as you already know, 657 00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:42,520 what in the average marriage The norm seems to be: 658 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,480 The women took command. 659 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,880 What has developed gently over the years in a marriage almost imperceptibly, 660 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,400 The Green ladies managed in a rush, so to speak, 661 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,400 without sentimentality, with brutal access, 662 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,800 worse than the worst male chauvinists could have done. 663 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,200 We are now making this experiment here, 664 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,320 and we see this as a signal for the women in our party, 665 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,480 to become more involved, for women in other parties too. 666 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,480 And we also see this as a signal 667 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,720 across the borders of the Federal Republic of Germany for all women, 668 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,360 to become more involved in politics. 669 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,120 When we were with six women were elected as parliamentary group leader, 670 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:28,880 they are all… blown away. 671 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,600 Well, you can imagine it… The FAZ wrote: 672 00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:35,560 "On a broad trail of slime Crawling after women's emancipation, 673 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,560 the men abolished themselves." 674 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:42,280 Or then from the "gynaecocracy" spoke, to which I said: 675 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,200 "So if there are only men sitting there, You don't say 'urology' either." 676 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,400 So, simply, which terms do they… 677 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:54,080 But there were serious Moderators, journalists, 678 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,960 something like that… from which this broke out. 679 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,840 And one was of course, invited immediately. 680 00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:03,200 And… well, I… I found that interesting. 681 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,280 When I was standing with Nowottny, I first said: "What is that?" 682 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,800 He was quite small. 683 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,400 He had a transparent hump, where he stood. 684 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,400 Then of course he was taller than me. 685 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,280 "Aha, that's how it works!" So I had fun with it. 686 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,120 Christa Nickels on her first course 687 00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:24,160 as newly elected Group manager. 688 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,120 Since Tuesday, the fate the Greens in their hands 689 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,200 and in those of five other women. 690 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,080 A surprise coup, the background of which only become visible gradually. 691 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,480 Nervous but carefree negotiates nickels 692 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,640 already in the late morning with their colleagues from the other parties. 693 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,040 {\an8}Self-praise stinks, as we all know, and I don't want to praise myself, 694 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,280 {\an8}but I have the impression that today I have one leg 695 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,760 {\an8}I jumped in quite well. 696 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,040 I will definitely still need to be polished. 697 00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,400 I still have to get used to it, get more routine, 698 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,440 but this can be achieved, I have no concerns. 699 00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,520 No job that necessarily depends on the gender of the owner? 700 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,480 No, in the head, in the mind, 701 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,320 and it depends, as we know, not on long hair. 702 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,800 When we elected the women’s board, 703 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,960 were some SPD women, Left-wing SPD women, totally outraged. 704 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,200 What that is, one should not exaggerate, 705 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,080 throw the baby out with the bathwater. And… 706 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,960 Yes, these CSU women, 707 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,720 so this really strictly value-conservative, 708 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,800 They were really happy, congratulated us. 709 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,400 It was a topsy-turvy world, where one thought: 710 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,520 "My God, what is into the SPD women?" 711 00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:35,520 With the Feminat at the Greens 712 00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:40,360 I have now actually not necessarily so intensively engaged. 713 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,680 Whereby I say, I like men, and I think 714 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,000 that male experiences in life, 715 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,360 just not to this extent. 716 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,440 I congratulated you. 717 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,680 I congratulated them in writing, and of course they were also… 718 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,120 They made it public. 719 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,280 I then received a nasty letter 720 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,880 from my get parliamentary group manager, 721 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,360 whether I am still of all good spirits, 722 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,800 that I support such nonsense and then congratulate you. 723 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:19,120 And without the Green women and then without the SPD quota 724 00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:22,400 would that be in the Union area not possible. 725 00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,120 It is a bit difficult at first, to face only men. 726 00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:28,600 They have expectations, want to see 727 00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,560 whether you stand up for yourself, as the saying goes. 728 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,840 Of course there are still prejudices. An example from the last election campaign: 729 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,880 When I once had a regular meeting in a small Upper Bavarian town 730 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,840 and really made an effort… 731 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,800 After the event An older farmer told me: 732 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,040 "Well, maybe, Madel, 733 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,400 you'll get it on Monday, then you don't need to go to something like that." 734 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,240 You had to, because then the women stood up outside 735 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,000 and the new women's movement naturally came, Alice Schwarzer came. 736 00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,880 These were all consequences, all parallel processes over the years, 737 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,320 in Parliament and outside Parliament, 738 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,040 which have fertilized each other. 739 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,160 Come, don't be softened 740 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,440 Stay strong at your core 741 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,240 Don't slip into their switches 742 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,160 Don't drive yourself away 743 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,600 Under the pavement 744 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,640 There is the beach 745 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:33,160 Come on, tear it too a few stones from the sand 746 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,560 Come on, don't let them tell you 747 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,080 What you have to leave behind 748 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,080 You can choose yourself 749 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,120 Just slow, no rush 750 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,360 Under the pavement 751 00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,720 {\an8} There lies the beach 752 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,440 {\an8} Come on, you too 753 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,560 A few stones from the sand 754 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,400 Spin and dance 755 00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,240 {\an8} Then they can't grab you 756 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,520 {\an8} Chase them away completely 757 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,480 With your loud laughter 758 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:22,600 It's your turn! 759 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,400 {\an8}Even long-serving party conference veterans, ladies and gentlemen, 760 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,720 {\an8}cannot remember 761 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,600 at other events of this kind to have seen so many women 762 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,720 like the CDU in the Grugahalle in Essen. 763 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:41,520 Heiner Geißler's idea to bring the CDU to promote the "new partnership", 764 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,920 as the Secretary-General calls it, close, 765 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:49,360 organized the CDU meeting in the middle in the Ruhr area more amiable, 766 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,280 and, more importantly, future-oriented. 767 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:58,480 The party wants equality of men and women in everyday life 768 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,240 by the year 2000. 769 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,800 A high standard. 770 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,160 In the run-up to this party conference Heiner Geißler announced, 771 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,840 that after the party conference resigns as Minister for Family Affairs 772 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,480 and fully dedicated to his task as Secretary General. 773 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,960 Then I said in the Women’s Union: 774 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,080 "This is the moment now we must demand 775 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,800 that finally a second woman comes into the cabinet. 776 00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:30,040 Kohl can forget about the party conference, if he doesn't announce it credibly." 777 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,920 I assume that the CDU does not want to embarrass itself 778 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,760 and the second minister is due, because otherwise it would be ridiculous. 779 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,960 By the way, I think there should be at least three or four. 780 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,160 At least the number of female ministers 781 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,400 in your government on these demands 782 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,760 correspond to the share of female party members. 783 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,600 I'm not telling you anything new, You know how many you have. 784 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,160 I think 21 percent, but well, we might… 785 00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,880 May I say something about that? 786 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,680 - Yes, immediately... - You're jumping from one thing to the next. 787 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,280 No, I'll just finish it for you. 788 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,040 A second alibi woman will be found have to be satisfied. 789 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:10,720 Then the lovely ladies explained: "But then he won't take any of us. 790 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,920 Then he'll be really angry with us." 791 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,400 Then I said: "If you go there If you're afraid, I'll do it alone." 792 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,960 And had a very large press response, when I explained: 793 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,720 "Kohl can forget about the party conference, if he does not announce 794 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,600 that he takes a second wife." 795 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,360 He then told me, through third parties of course, 796 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,920 I should not imagine that I was the second wife. 797 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,560 Look how it's already going. 798 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,400 In advance, after the publication of your guidelines, 799 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,400 a politician dared and said: 800 01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,280 "Please, how about with a second female minister?" 801 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,960 From now on, the matter was only negotiated behind closed doors. 802 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,120 No woman dared to say anything anymore. 803 01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,880 And a very exposed, very capable Politician literally said to me: 804 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,200 "We don't want to talk about that now. 805 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,960 We know cabbage, and if we say that again, 806 01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,320 then we get no second chair at all." 807 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,160 - That is not true. - That's the balance of power. 808 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:11,800 - It's a matter of grace. - No. 809 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,600 The cabbage has said to Schäuble and Geißler: 810 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,000 "I'm not that stupid 811 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,040 and take me like Edward Heath a Thatcher to the chest." 812 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,560 I found that particularly funny, to find out. 813 01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,600 But he had to announce at the party conference, 814 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,760 that he has a second wife into the cabinet, 815 01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,440 and that was then Rita Süssmuth. 816 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:47,240 This is her: Rita Süssmuth, Geißler’s successor, professor. 817 01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:52,160 Previously social worker in Dortmund, 48 years old, 818 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,000 the new Minister for Family Affairs from the second half of September. 819 01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,480 Like Kai from the box she came to the new office. 820 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,400 They say you are very loyal. 821 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:06,000 Does this go so far that you might this word from the interim minister 822 01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,800 would refer to themselves? 823 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,600 So I am loyal, 824 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,720 where the cause and the people 825 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,800 that require and make possible for me. 826 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,440 What is very important to me, 827 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,720 that every person represents what he himself is. 828 01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,040 And I am me, 829 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:26,280 my predecessor was a different person and embodies what he is. 830 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,240 Pretty confident, Professor. 831 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,920 Some ladies in the CDU/CSU Bundestag faction will sulk. 832 01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,720 We were a bit offended, but… 833 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,400 That's true, when Rita Süssmuth came. 834 01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:41,520 And… 835 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,480 Do you know, the Union was in opposition for so long. 836 01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,840 No one could become anything anymore, no one has ascended, 837 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,440 and the women rowed and rowed. 838 01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,200 {\an8}I then also have the beginning perceived as very difficult. 839 01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:02,280 {\an8}I also had a bad prognosis first in the newspapers: 840 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,600 "It'll be gone in half a year." 841 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:10,480 {\an8}I admit, of course, this particularly provoked to say: 842 01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,520 {\an8}"I don't want that. 843 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,640 If I get involved now, I also want to persevere." 844 01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,280 Rita Süssmuth was yes, a career changer, 845 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,480 a woman who was conservative in her values, 846 01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,960 but actually far from their time, was far ahead. 847 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,560 She would be good today fit into Angela Merkel's CDU. 848 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:35,120 Back then she was an absolute white raven in this black pile. 849 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:36,800 And they had taken her, 850 01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:42,280 to give the impression of sustainability, 851 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:47,920 also against the background of the awakening of women and the Greens in Parliament. 852 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:52,040 And then she saw herself immediately confronted with the HIV crisis, 853 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,400 has taken completely unorthodox paths, 854 01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,880 highly efficient, but highly controversial within his own party. 855 01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,480 In a tough exchange of blows with the state of Bavaria 856 01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,720 the minister enforces that the fight against AIDS 857 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,080 rather with a broad Awareness campaign and advice 858 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,720 can be reached, than with stricter laws. 859 01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,720 Tina, how much do the condoms cost? 860 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,400 {\an8}If you are for the homosexual scene has an understanding, 861 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,040 {\an8}that's not what it's about, but it is about 862 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,960 {\an8}that one must make it clear, that day is against nature , 863 01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:35,200 thus contrary to nature, and basically into pathological behavior. 864 01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:39,680 We must finally the protection of many in the population 865 01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,960 as a central goal in mind, and not just move around 866 01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,880 who on the edge can be understood even better. 867 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,280 This edge needs to be made thinner. 868 01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:50,960 It needs to be thinned out. 869 01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:52,560 It must be made clear 870 01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:56,280 that this is for our youth there are no future prospects. 871 01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:01,280 This also showed at that time, what is taboo: 872 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,720 the homosexuals, 873 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:09,600 those were all the villains, who spread AIDS in our country. 874 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,240 And to defend yourself, 875 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,200 that of course made me often brought into conflict 876 01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,240 with official policy. 877 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,880 {\an8}You and Helmut Kohl, that was… 878 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,720 {\an8}At some point this became a very familiar pair of opponents. 879 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,640 He was furious, that she was so different, 880 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,280 than he thought she would be. 881 01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,640 And she was quite stunned about the macho attitudes, 882 01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:37,760 which one, not only with Kohl, but simply experienced in this environment. 883 01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,440 Rita Süssmuth on the way to announce her candidacy 884 01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,840 for the office of President of the Bundestag. 885 01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,600 The Bonn powers she had become uncomfortable. 886 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,400 Later she will also admit, 887 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,600 that she was appointed to the second highest state office was praised away. 888 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,480 Everyone found this horrific. 889 01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,200 And a quick attempt was made 890 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,320 one or the other project 891 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,160 to irretrievably set in motion, 892 01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,120 so that this continued, when she was no longer there 893 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:11,920 and her protective hand over was able to hold certain important projects. 894 01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,880 So I should be elected here, 895 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,440 I remain Rita Süssmuth and active politician. 896 01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:22,120 I do not intend To say goodbye to politics. 897 01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,120 I really wanted to remain a minister. 898 01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,440 And came out of the meeting and was no longer. 899 01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,440 My team, 900 01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,040 or our team and me, into great sadness. 901 01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,240 And I thought: "There's nothing you can do now." 902 01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:46,280 As President of the Bundestag, she also made something of the job, yes? 903 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,720 You can be President of the Bundestag use very differently. 904 01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:55,120 And she has for the cause of women also made a lot of progress. 905 01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,320 And again and again, also with others, with all questions, 906 01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,560 she always warned put her finger in the wound. 907 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,600 Many initially thought: "Now she's calm. 908 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,720 Now we've silenced them." 909 01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,320 But she knew that was the hope, 910 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,480 and she didn't give in. 911 01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,040 Rita Süssmuth is causing unrest 912 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,040 at the Bremen party conference in September 1989, 913 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,400 when she was at the side of Lothar Späth and Heiner Geissler 914 01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,240 the Chancellor vainly contests power. 915 01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:29,000 What would actually the CDU has become a people’s party, 916 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:34,320 if we do not hold the Women’s Party Congress in Essen, 917 01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:39,680 As a result, for example, and I say this quite consciously, 918 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,040 not the most politically significant, 919 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,040 most popular and respected woman in our midst, 920 01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,960 namely Rita Süssmuth. 921 01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,200 What would happen then? 922 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:09,720 He probably had this picture of me: "die brave Katholikin". 923 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,160 "One of our own." 924 01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,160 And I wasn't. 925 01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:26,160 And I would have had to betray myself completely, if I had lived this picture. 926 01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,000 Well… it’s nice. 927 01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:50,920 The air is the most beautiful thing here. 928 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,760 I have observed that you have a preference for boots. 929 01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,520 And I know that you are in the service of the party 930 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,920 have already gone through many a pair. 931 01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,440 Of course are these boots black, 932 01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:54,680 and they should… 933 01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,080 But above all, they should help you 934 01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:09,640 the next election campaigns at the side to successfully overcome her husband's death. 935 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,800 Petra Kelly carries her own things. 936 01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,160 No pity, but some men watch the Greens, 937 01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,840 how this woman works hard, until she falls over. 938 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,160 After all, she is emancipated. 939 01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,880 In German: everything she does is her own fault. 940 01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,400 You are a woman like many others, who suffer from 941 01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,560 when they are in the shadow of the man. 942 01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,480 That's what you always say. 943 01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,200 It doesn't bother you, I'll ask again, 944 01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,200 a mute, albeit an attractive marginal figure? 945 01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,840 You have mute now claimed again. 946 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:07,920 But they are not always there. 947 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,160 I have participated in many state visits. 948 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,960 She excelled on her trips abroad, 949 01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,640 fluent in English, Fluent in French, 950 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,480 which was the case with Chancellor Kohl was not the case. 951 01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,560 I have many impressions also got about this marriage, 952 01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,200 but it would never have occurred to me to write or talk about it. 953 01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,320 I don't even have talked to my husband about it. 954 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,040 Because this woman was totally underestimated by many. 955 01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:38,160 You also talked about To bring tenderness into politics. 956 01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,560 What does this mean, should politicians hug or even kiss? 957 01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,720 I wouldn't mind but enough people do that. 958 01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:46,280 But they do so formally. 959 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,280 No, tenderness in politics is that it must be there for people, 960 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,280 it is charity in politics. 961 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:53,960 Tenderness also means 962 01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,760 the integrity of that what you want to protect, 963 01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:58,640 that you always do this carefully. 964 01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,960 Politics is cautious, or has to be, 965 01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,600 if she wants to be ecological or should be. 966 01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,680 Tenderness also means to approach each other, 967 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,120 to reduce the enemy image, 968 01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,400 not just out there, but also inside us. 969 01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:17,280 What does it look like now? 970 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,040 With the Greens… 971 01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,207 We finally won at the federal level! 972 01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,200 For me, Petra Kelly was the first global female politician. 973 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:44,200 She has the right to self-determination people took it very seriously. 974 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,200 The Australian and American Native people, but also the Black people… 975 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,680 The Black Power Movement. 976 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,960 Everyone referred to her. She received baskets full of mail. 977 01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,720 Mr. Beuys, Petra Kelly is not easy, 978 01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,840 not easy to describe in their diversity, 979 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,880 in their commitment. 980 01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,160 What would you say? Is it a small work of art? 981 01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,560 Yes, I would say a great work of art, if anything. 982 01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:14,520 A big, important and powerful Artwork within the movement. 983 01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,640 Naturally, She is, above all, human. 984 01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,320 And this humanity 985 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:25,720 really comes without inhibition fully expressed 986 01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,480 and cannot be stopped, cannot be stopped either. 987 01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,760 Many would like that the Petra finally stops, 988 01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,840 but she cannot be stopped, Thank God not. 989 01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,560 Her husband is occasionally accused of 990 01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,640 for all talents he is basically provincial. 991 01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,160 And this judgment immediately rubs off on his wife. 992 01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:47,280 Oh right. 993 01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,400 Does it offend you when someone says: 994 01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:54,240 "This Mrs. Kohl still has a trace of provincial character, 995 01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:55,920 Appearance, appearance"? 996 01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,000 Everyone has to come from somewhere. 997 01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,960 And that is for me with provinciality difficult. 998 01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,320 You said in the opening credits, I moved 17 times. 999 01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:09,200 That's not true, it was 19 times. And where is the province after all? 1000 01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:10,520 Tell me. 1001 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,120 Yes, yes, we can use the 17 or 19 places, as you say, everyone... 1002 01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,720 - You know what I mean. - Secure. 1003 01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,440 I know you want to move away in a serpentine manner. 1004 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,040 So you keep not for provincial? 1005 01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,840 My personal opinion What do you want to hear from me? 1006 01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:27,320 Am I provincial? 1007 01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:28,760 - Just say it. - Yes. 1008 01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,480 - No. - No. Period. 1009 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:31,640 - Out of. - Thanks. 1010 01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,720 Ms. Kelly, you said earlier, 1011 01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,240 the movement is so strong in itself, 1012 01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,400 that has nothing to do with the media. 1013 01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,200 I have you today heard talk for the first time, 1014 01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,960 and yet it has a lot to do with the media. 1015 01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,120 The media had… 1016 01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,320 They drew a picture of you, that I thought: 1017 01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:56,720 "Wonder who will appear here." And then this speech, oh my God! 1018 01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,640 In Parliament, the deprived of its effect. 1019 01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:05,160 For me the picture is like a deer, what they then do in such a… 1020 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,200 into such a... into this space. 1021 01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,760 Suddenly all the magic was gone. 1022 01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,520 She really has didn't seem that way anymore 1023 01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,080 and then also incited the conservative colleagues, 1024 01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:17,360 to mock them. 1025 01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:21,440 I must say, since I have been in Bonn, I'm becoming more and more misogynistic. 1026 01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:27,080 I say this out of concern, because for the first time I gained my self-confidence, 1027 01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,160 everything that makes me safe in public, 1028 01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:32,400 lost in speaking in the Bundestag. 1029 01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,280 That I get terribly afraid, I say this openly, 1030 01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,760 an anxiety, a fear, to speak in the Bundestag. 1031 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,920 I am worried because I see how it wears out, 1032 01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:43,680 wears out unnecessarily. 1033 01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:49,320 How she gives too much of herself, how she lets herself be torn to pieces. 1034 01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:53,480 And of course I’m also a little afraid, that it is marketed. 1035 01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,840 This is the great danger for everyone, who becomes prominent. 1036 01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:01,040 Yes, the scale is applied with any actors, 1037 01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:02,560 Let's be honest, 1038 01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,160 which exclusively trimmed for this role, 1039 01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,800 to be styled, made, painted and then have their text. 1040 01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:13,680 If it didn’t work out, then repeat this 30 times, good. 1041 01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:14,760 And that's great. 1042 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,720 We are then up at eight in the evening 1043 01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,400 after five interviews and other activities 1044 01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,480 and then must in free fall, so to speak. 1045 01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:36,520 The lives of former Green Party MPs 1046 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,800 Petra Kelly and Gerd Bastian ended in tragedy. 1047 01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,440 The investigators announced in the afternoon the cause of death is known: 1048 01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,440 Then shot the former Bundeswehr general 1049 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,640 his 44-year-old partner. 1050 01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,240 Bastian then committed suicide. 1051 01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,360 About the background there is still uncertainty. 1052 01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,480 Gert Bastian may have thought, 1053 01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,280 if he himself can no longer care for them, 1054 01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,480 then it will perish. 1055 01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,000 That was a completely wrong assessment. 1056 01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,720 Also a patriarchal protective assessment. 1057 01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,000 It could have been that Petra Kelly had a burnout, 1058 01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,480 as we say today, would have folded 1059 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,040 and would have disappeared for a long time, in a health resort or somewhere else. 1060 01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:28,920 But I am 100 percent convinced, that Petra, when she had grown old, 1061 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,760 if she had had the chance, 1062 01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,600 could have found a second wind. 1063 01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:46,880 Hannelore Kohl, the wife the former Chancellor, is dead. 1064 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,520 She took in her house in Ludwigshafen-Oggersheim. 1065 01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,040 In farewell letters to family and friends 1066 01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:57,360 She justified the step with her serious illness, a light allergy. 1067 01:18:57,480 --> 01:19:00,760 She had therefore can hardly leave the house anymore. 1068 01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:06,520 After the funeral Bernhard Vogel told me, 1069 01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:11,920 he once visited Hannelore and had arranged to meet her, 1070 01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,720 he wanted to go out to dinner with her. 1071 01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,280 And Hannelore was wearing a white silk blouse, 1072 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:24,080 that fell over the hands, had such wide sleeves. 1073 01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:29,440 And then he sees, how dark spots appear, 1074 01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,200 wet spots. 1075 01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:37,280 And then Hannelore sees that he looks there and throws his arm back. 1076 01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,200 And there was raw meat. 1077 01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,000 And then the bird said: 1078 01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:46,840 "That so… that a person could not continue living like this, 1079 01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:48,640 I then understood that." 1080 01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,360 The word now has colleague Otto Schily, SPD. 1081 01:20:19,480 --> 01:20:22,640 Allow me at this point some personal remarks. 1082 01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,080 My uncle Fritz Schily, 1083 01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:39,960 a man of pure character, was a colonel in the Air Force. 1084 01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:46,480 At the end of the war 1085 01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:48,800 he was… 1086 01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,160 Excuse me. 1087 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,640 After weeks of dispute, currently in Munich the exhibition: 1088 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:09,520 War of annihilation: crimes the Wehrmacht from 1941 to 1944. 1089 01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,400 Mayor Ude accused the CSU today of 1090 01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:16,000 she bears the responsibility for the nationwide response 1091 01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,640 a neo-Nazi campaign against the exhibition. 1092 01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:23,080 I feel inspired by the exhibition insulted about my father. 1093 01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,680 {\an8}In my opinion, incitement to hatred, 1094 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,640 what this exhibition is about. 1095 01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:31,320 {\an8}Defamation of the memory of the deceased. 1096 01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:32,560 Buh! 1097 01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,800 - This is not… - Asshole! 1098 01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,880 - …to show… - Oh my god, we don't want you! 1099 01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:42,800 The press lies. 1100 01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,640 The press lies. 1101 01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,480 He wants to say something, what you might like. 1102 01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,960 The press is lying! 1103 01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:54,720 I remember how my sister and I went to the Wehrmacht exhibition… 1104 01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,080 …visited the Wehrmacht exhibition, 1105 01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,640 with what trepidation we are there. 1106 01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:03,560 We didn't talk about it, only when we were outside again. 1107 01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,320 We both had the same fear: 1108 01:23:06,440 --> 01:23:10,400 "Hopefully we don't see…" Which would have been a crazy coincidence. 1109 01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,200 "Hopefully we will see not our dad." 1110 01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,720 This bothered both of us a lot, and I believe 1111 01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:19,600 that happened to many people our generation so, 1112 01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:21,560 that they were afraid 1113 01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:25,200 a father or grandfather or brother, 1114 01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:28,760 to see someone like that, that you don't want to see there. 1115 01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:34,400 Then you also have right up to the Bundestag debates, 1116 01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,840 what everyone actually knew, but what was a no-go topic, 1117 01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,360 where nobody talked about it, a big taboo… 1118 01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:43,920 Then it became public discussed, also in families, 1119 01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:47,320 that actually all had such experiences 1120 01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:49,720 and that it was like, yes, like a lead blanket 1121 01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:54,000 on the German post-war society. 1122 01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,720 So this question is about 1123 01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:02,880 about our relationship with a entire generation of our people. 1124 01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,800 Whoever tries, and there are such attempts, 1125 01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,880 the entire war generation 1126 01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:15,200 as relatives and helpers to label a criminal gang, 1127 01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:19,360 who wants to hit Germany to the core, and we fight against it. 1128 01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:22,720 My colleague Nickels, please. 1129 01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,440 Mr President, Dear Colleagues. 1130 01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,240 My mother said, that my father in the 50s, 1131 01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:32,240 a seasoned man who is hard worked all his life, 1132 01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,840 no night slept with the window open, 1133 01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,480 every night while sleeping screamed terribly: 1134 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:41,400 from fire, from children and that it was simply horrible. 1135 01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:44,080 Mean… 1136 01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,800 My father Of course I loved it very much. 1137 01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:48,920 All the time… 1138 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:52,120 I have never heard that he told what it is like, 1139 01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:54,640 if you look at a have to shoot people. 1140 01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:58,320 Then this handshake was from our Chancellor and from Reagan 1141 01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,200 in Bitburg at the cemetery, with the Waffen-SS. 1142 01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,080 That’s when I first noticed 1143 01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:06,600 that the only photo from my father from this time 1144 01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,400 a uniform shows, which is also black and has skulls. 1145 01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,920 I was already there in the Bundestag for the Greens. 1146 01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:16,400 I didn't dare, to ask my father, 1147 01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,320 because it was incredibly difficult for me. 1148 01:25:18,440 --> 01:25:22,160 I wouldn't have had the heart to do that, I couldn't do that. 1149 01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:27,960 Then in '89 I was with the Alliance Greens Bundestag faction in Warsaw. 1150 01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:32,200 50 years since the invasion of Poland. We were there in Majdanek. 1151 01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:35,600 And I only know that Dad was in France, 1152 01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,840 in Russia and in Poland, and I know 1153 01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,920 that he was in Lviv was taken prisoner. 1154 01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,320 Then I was in the KZ in Majdanek, and I tell you: 1155 01:25:44,440 --> 01:25:47,040 I'm there at night literally collapsed, 1156 01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,680 terribly shocked about the one in Majdanek, 1157 01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,600 but also about that, what was done to these men, 1158 01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:55,680 which also included my father. 1159 01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,800 These were predominantly men, who loved life, 1160 01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:00,040 the children loved. 1161 01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:03,960 What these men have become in this criminal war. 1162 01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,880 And what they did not have the strength for, to escape from it. 1163 01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:10,520 They all have infinite, terrible guilt upon himself 1164 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,560 and did not have the strength to escape from it. 1165 01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:16,240 All the men and the women and the children… 1166 01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,080 I am the daughter from... from such a soldier. 1167 01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,120 …are still influenced by this today. 1168 01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:26,960 And Mr. Dregger, that's not true, that if you show the wounds, 1169 01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,400 without makeup, and begins, maybe talk about it, 1170 01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:34,480 that the affected people covered in dirt 1171 01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:36,560 or put it in a corner. 1172 01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:41,400 On the contrary, the best what could happen to us would be 1173 01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,440 if we could create a climate in Germany, 1174 01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:47,320 where the old fathers, the old mothers and the children, 1175 01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:50,000 more or less old, I am now 45 years old, 1176 01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,480 finally at the table be able to talk about it, calmly, 1177 01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:55,680 what happened to them. 1178 01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,240 It is important for me to say, and the debate impresses me. 1179 01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,600 I thought hard, whether I should say that, 1180 01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,000 because of course someone always says: 1181 01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,720 "How can you do that? That was your father." 1182 01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:08,960 But I feel it not as nest-fouling. 1183 01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:10,720 Everyone who knows me knows 1184 01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:14,120 how much I love my parents and love and have loved my father. 1185 01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:18,360 If this debate perhaps was something style-forming, then in that 1186 01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:22,280 that one can begin here the political reflection 1187 01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,120 and your own story honest, unvarnished, 1188 01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,440 in simple, albeit terrible images. 1189 01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,800 That is what I wish, and this Wehrmacht exhibition 1190 01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:35,160 can do exactly that possibly set in motion, 1191 01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,280 if you don't start, to patch up the wounds, 1192 01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:42,200 to give cheap consolation, which is not bread, but stones, 1193 01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,040 by giving those which were linked in it, 1194 01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:46,200 in retrospect says: 1195 01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,880 "It shall not hurt you anymore, because you were forced to." 1196 01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,160 That doesn't help. Thank you. 1197 01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,800 Mr. Dr. Dregger please… 1198 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,720 Are women too modest in politics? 1199 01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,720 They say they don't think about the majority. 1200 01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:53,400 There are more female than male voters. 1201 01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,680 But remember, one could be equally strong 1202 01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:58,720 or more strongly in parliaments, 1203 01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,000 one could female Prime Minister, 1204 01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:05,320 female party leaders or a female chancellor? 1205 01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,040 That wouldn't have worked at all. 1206 01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:10,240 You just have to stay grounded. 1207 01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:14,800 So in the 70s and 80s A woman as Chancellor was unimaginable. 1208 01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:16,000 Unimaginable, yes. 1209 01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:18,400 You can't jump out of the test tube. 1210 01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:22,560 Even if you have all the gifts blessed that one would have to have, 1211 01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:24,240 it wouldn't have helped. 1212 01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:25,800 There would be a… 1213 01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:29,560 If the choice had been between the best woman of all in the 70s 1214 01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:32,440 and a stupid August, would have become Chancellor. 1215 01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,160 Yes, ready. 1216 01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,400 That was no question at all. 1217 01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:40,160 I always dreamed of To become Chancellor, quite honestly. 1218 01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,480 And there was a man, who said that. 1219 01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,640 There is an old interview in Der Spiegel, 1220 01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:50,480 who he can imagine as Chancellor, by Franz Josef Strauss. 1221 01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:52,720 He mentioned Renate Hellwig. 1222 01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:56,120 This was of course for Helmut Kohl the absolute red rag. 1223 01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,480 But Strauss doesn’t have that for you but to annoy Kohl. 1224 01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,720 - Yes but… - Nee… 1225 01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:07,160 After all, he would have had no one else but me. 1226 01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:10,480 I have been appointed Federal Chairwoman the Young Democrats is running. 1227 01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,480 We know, but that was now the Chancellor's question. 1228 01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,080 Yes, that… 1229 01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:17,280 You would have been great. 1230 01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,680 That may be fine. On the other hand... 1231 01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,960 I have Chancellors… 1232 01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:28,960 …always partly these extreme, 1233 01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:32,360 unconditional, over dead bodies going will to power 1234 01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:35,240 partly seen, 1235 01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,800 partly admired, partly feared. 1236 01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,080 But I never really wanted to become like that. 1237 01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:44,200 And if it had worked without that, then maybe. 1238 01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,160 And why can you then don't say: "Yes sir..." 1239 01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,320 Now speaking very abstractly. "I would have." 1240 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,040 - No, I can't. - Yes! 1241 01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:54,560 Do you seriously believe 1242 01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:58,720 that my party to an offer of talks from Mrs Merkel 1243 01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:00,680 in this situation, 1244 01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,800 by saying, she wants to become Chancellor? 1245 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,480 We must the church also leave it in the village. 1246 01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:11,680 {\an8}The Germans… The Germans have voted clearly on the candidate question. 1247 01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:17,200 I swear that I will use my strength dedicate to the welfare of the German people, 1248 01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:21,360 increase its benefits, avert harm from him, 1249 01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:25,920 the Basic Law and the laws preserve and defend the Covenant, 1250 01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:28,920 fulfill my duties conscientiously 1251 01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:32,320 and justice against everyone, 1252 01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:34,600 so help me God. 1253 01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:38,920 Sometimes you could despair of history. 1254 01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:43,880 But sometimes you want also give short-term cheers. 1255 01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:48,800 I mean, Of course I can’t share everything, 1256 01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,000 what Angela Merkel does politically. 1257 01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:54,480 But I think it really great that… 1258 01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:59,040 How she became Chancellor and that she has been Chancellor for so long. 1259 01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:03,480 She is at least an expert, how she deals with power. 1260 01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:09,200 And how they all their older or younger competitors, 1261 01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:10,400 is impressive. 1262 01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:15,400 It must appear smooth, but hard fought. 1263 01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:16,960 I learned that too. 1264 01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:21,400 I know that this Word "fight" among women 1265 01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:26,120 and certainly not in the Man-woman relationship is the right word, 1266 01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:28,000 but it is the right thing to do. 1267 01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:55,040 In 1908, women were allowed not even at political events, 1268 01:32:55,440 --> 01:32:57,480 do not attend political clubs. 1269 01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,920 In 1918 they were granted the right to vote for the first time. 1270 01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,080 Then they have it taken away again. 1271 01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:07,520 Did their wife stand by during the war, 1272 01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:12,640 but then they could be push back to the stove, 1273 01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:16,800 made room for those who returned from the war. 1274 01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:20,240 It just has… Everything just takes time. 1275 01:33:20,440 --> 01:33:22,800 Because it is a fight, a power struggle. 1276 01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,880 Every position that today taken by a woman, 1277 01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,160 will no longer taken by a man. 1278 01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:30,200 Of course they have something to lose. 1279 01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,800 To make it clear that you don't lose anything, 1280 01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:36,480 but that it might be better when both do something together, 1281 01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:40,640 this awareness, that this is reflected in people’s minds, 1282 01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:44,120 that's hard to plant. 1283 01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:48,920 But maybe we can do it in the next 25 years. 1284 01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:54,760 I think so. 1285 01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:14,080 Well then… 1286 01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:09,320 I am woman, hear me roar 1287 01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:12,360 In numbers too big to ignore 1288 01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:18,000 And I know too much To go back and pretend 1289 01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:20,680 'cause I've heard it all before 1290 01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,480 And I've been down there on the floor 1291 01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,560 No one's ever going to keep me down again 1292 01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,080 - Oh yes, I am wise - Yes, I am wise 1293 01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,240 But it's wisdom born of pain 1294 01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:38,120 - Oh - Yes, I've paid the price 1295 01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:40,760 But look how much I gained 1296 01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:42,400 - If I have to - Have to 1297 01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:46,120 - I can do anything - Anything 1298 01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:48,200 - I am strong - Strong 1299 01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:51,720 - I am invincible - Invincible 1300 01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,200 I am woman 1301 01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:03,360 You can bend but never break me 1302 01:36:03,480 --> 01:36:05,920 'cause it only serves to make me 1303 01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:11,040 {\an8}More determined to achieve my final goal 1304 01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,560 {\an8}And I'll come back even stronger 1305 01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:17,360 {\an8}Not a novice any longer 1306 01:36:17,480 --> 01:36:21,000 {\an8}'cause you've deepened the conviction in my soul 1307 01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,720 {\an8}Whoa, yes, I am wise 1308 01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:29,080 {\an8}But it's wisdom born of pain 1309 01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,640 Yes, I've paid the price 1310 01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,200 But look how much I gained 1311 01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:38,760 If I have to, I can do anything 1312 01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:42,360 {\an8}- I am strong - Strong 1313 01:36:42,440 --> 01:36:45,560 {\an8}- I am invincible - Invincible 1314 01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:49,080 {\an8}I am woman 1315 01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:56,560 {\an8}I am woman, watch me grow 1316 01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,200 {\an8}See me standing toe-to-toe 1317 01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:04,480 {\an8}As I spread my loving arms across the land 1318 01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:08,200 {\an8}But I'm still an embryo 1319 01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:09,920 {\an8}With a long, long way to go 1320 01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:16,520 {\an8}Until I make my brother understand 1321 01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:18,920 Whoa, yes, I am wise 1322 01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:22,000 But it's wisdom born of pain 1323 01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:24,440 {\an8}Yes, I've paid the price 1324 01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:27,560 {\an8}But look how much I've gained 1325 01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:32,440 {\an8}If I have to, I can face anything 1326 01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:35,560 {\an8}- I am strong - Strong 1327 01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,320 - I am invincible - Invincible 1328 01:37:38,440 --> 01:37:43,160 I am woman 1329 01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:48,200 - Oh, I am woman - I am woman 1330 01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:52,400 I am invincible 1331 01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:54,560 I am strong 1332 01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:59,480 - I am woman - I am woman 1333 01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:03,720 I am invincible 1334 01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:05,920 I am strong 1335 01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:09,120 I am woman112713

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