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MIKE BONANNO: Jeez,
this is terrible.
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It's the stupidest...
I can't...
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There's...
It's an hour's difference.
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The time zone
is different here.
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Fuck.
It's unbelievable.
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How the fuck
can that happen?
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Okay. Here.
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Okay, there.
That's done.
Now what?
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Okay. Got it.
Okay, next?
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BONANNO: Pull it up.
Okay.
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A few years ago,
we wanted to
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try to help out with some
activist anti-corporate
activities.
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And we heard
about this website
called rtmark.com.
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And, um,
we went there,
and they, they...
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They handed us
a domain name,
GWBush.com,
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and asked us
if we might like
to make a website
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that was critical
of George Bush.
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Um, because George
Bush's real domain name
was georgewbush.com.
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And this was 1999,
so it was just
during the campaign
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when he was beginning
to run for president.
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And we didn't really know
quite what to do,
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so we went
to Bush's website
and looked at it.
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And it turned out
to be full of
strange hypocrisies, like,
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for example,
he called himself
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"The environmental
governor of Texas,"
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but we looked
a little closer
at his record
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and found out that
he had actually created
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the most polluted
state in the country
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because he dismantled
the Clean Air laws
while he was there.
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And, actually, that's,
I guess, what he's
doing now nationally.
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So we thought, "Well,
this kind of hypocrisy
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"we can easily poke fun at
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"by making
a satire website."
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And we made
this satire website
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that looked
exactly like Bush's
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except for a few
key differences.
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Like there was a photo
on the banner,
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instead of him and his wife
in front of the Capitol
building in Texas,
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we showed him
pointing the finger
at black people.
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And this seemed to get
him a little bit angry.
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So the Bush campaign
tried to shut us down
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by sending us
a cease and desist letter
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and by complaining
to the Federal
Election Commission.
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But we were able
to just take those threats
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and send them
to the media.
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And immediately
The New York Times
wrote an article,
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and there were
a whole bunch
of other articles.
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BICHLBAUM: And in fact,
one reporter
read these articles,
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and at a press conference,
asked Bush,
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"So, what about
this website, GWBush.com,
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"what do you think of that?"
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(JOURNALIST SPEAKING)
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(BUSH SPEAKING)
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(JOURNALIST SPEAKING)
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(BUSH SPEAKING)
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So it was
all over the place.
Yeah.
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A lot of people
read about it,
including a guy
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who had another domain
name called gatt.org.
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And, of course,
GATT is the
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Global Agreement
on Tariffs and Trade,
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and it's the predecessor
agreement to the World
Trade Organization.
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And he said,
"If you could
do this for Bush,
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"then maybe you can
also do this for the WTO."
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MICHAEL MOORE: The WTO
is supposed to be
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sort of a United
Nations of commerce,
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a conglomeration
of all these countries
in the world
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uh, that get together
every now and then
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to discuss trade policies,
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and how exactly
goods will be bought
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and sold
throughout the world.
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Well, I'm sure,
originally,
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the stated purpose
of the WTO, uh,
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was to help these countries
who are developing
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so that, you know,
the world community
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can help raise them
out of poverty.
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In fact,
what it's done is,
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it's allowed
large corporations, uh,
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to go in and exploit
these people even further
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uh, so that Americans
become even wealthier
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and the people
in these countries
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continue to struggle
to get by.
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And I think that's...
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At this point it's upset
quite a few people.
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Okay, so I gotta
try and remember
where Sal lives.
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Um, it's a
little bit complicated.
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There's, like,
this snaking road
up over the hills.
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BONANNO: And who is Sal?
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Sal is a friend
who I met in San Diego,
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and, um,
he moved to L.A.
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to work in the
movie industry,
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and that's why...
Now he does,
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actually, costuming
professionally.
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He builds, like,
weird suits
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out of, you know,
pretty much any material
you can imagine.
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And so, when we
needed a costume,
I knew who to call.
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Yeah, this is it. Yeah.
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I'll maybe bring him
his mail, actually,
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as long as
we're at it here.
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Yeah, I don't like it.
Okay.
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It looks too much
like sex stuff
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instead of... It's not
very modern-looking.
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Okay.
It's gotta look...
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Remember,
this is the future.
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This isn't about, like,
straps and stuff.
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That's like dungeons
and torture in the past.
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The costume is
a manager's leisure suit.
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And the idea is that
Hank Hardy Unruh,
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the representative from the
World Trade Organization,
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is going to go and wear
this breakaway business suit
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that's gonna be
pulled off of him
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during the middle
of the keynote address
at the conference.
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And then, a big
inflatable phallus
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is going to emerge
from this golden suit,
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and on the end of it
is a TV screen
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that he uses to
manage sweatshops remotely.
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The reason we got invited
to these things
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is we have a website
called gatt.org.
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The gatt.org website
looks a lot like
the WTO website,
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but it is critical
of the WTO.
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Most people, though,
who find gatt.org
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by searching for the
World Trade Organization,
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will go without reading it
and will send us
e-mail directly.
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So a lot of people
ask us weird questions
about tariffs and trade,
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and we try to answer
as accurately as we can.
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And occasionally
invitations come in
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from official or, you know,
quasi-official organizations
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asking for opinions
or asking us to
attend a conference.
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And so, when they ask,
they really think
they're talking to the WTO,
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and we respond
by giving them
what we think they want,
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which is the
opinions of the WTO
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as accurately
as we can represent them.
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You know what
I'm thinking, actually,
looking at this,
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is that maybe
this is a zipper.
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Yeah! Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
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Then he just unzips it
and pulls the thing
at the same time.
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Oh, that could be
really good.
Because...
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To have it
burst out of the Velcro,
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it might not be
strong enough to...
BOTH: Burst out.
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And then he'd
have to pull it.
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Part of the thing
that gives us the courage
to go to Tampere
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with this really absurd suit
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is that we already went
to Salzburg, Austria,
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to represent the
World Trade Organization
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at a conference
on tariffs and trade.
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And so, there,
our representative,
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the same guy who is
Hank Hardy Unruh here
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was Dr. Andreas
Bichlbauer there.
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And he gave a lecture,
uh, that focused
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on, basically,
doing away with all customs
in the name of free trade,
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like getting rid of
the siesta in
Spain and Italy,
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um, so that business hours
could be the same.
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In Italy, on the other hand,
you have a totally
different situation,
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in which sleep is
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done during the day
as much as
at night, almost.
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And allowing people
to sell their votes
over the Internet
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to the highest bidder
so that the barriers
to, sort of, free trade
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and things like votes
were out of the way.
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BICHLBAUER:
One possible solution
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is being tested
in the field of
American politics
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to streamline the
grotesquely inefficient
system of elections.
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And Vote-auction.com,
in turn, employs
only four people
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to transmit
not merely information,
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but actual money directly
to the consuming voter.
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It's a forum
for people voluntarily
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to offer their vote
to the highest bidder.
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And despite giving
what we thought
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was a lecture
that would immediately
get us booed off stage
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or, you know,
get Bichlbauer maybe
even thrown in jail
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because people
would figure out
he was an impostor,
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the exact opposite happened.
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Everybody was
super polite. Nobody...
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It didn't seem like
everybody even noticed
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that what he said
was so absurd.
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Well, so far...
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We thought Bichlbauer
would be very extreme
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and people would react to it
and we'd get shut down,
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and nothing
of the sort happened.
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So...
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This time,
we just have to
really push it
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and make it totally extreme.
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I mean, we keep trying
to push things further
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to try to really
clarify the positions
of the WTO
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to make them very legible.
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It's one back,
but this is good.
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MAN: Yeah.
So...
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Andy.
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Andy.
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It has a terrible siren.
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(SIREN WAILING)
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BICHLBAUM: I have to
check the web
when we get upstairs.
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Oh, my God.
What are we gonna do
about this...
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We gotta watch
the Patrick video.
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Um...
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It's weird stuff,
isn't it?
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(BOTH CHUCKLING)
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That's one way
of putting it.
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It's really a problem.
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BICHLBAUM: It seems
about the weirdest
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I've seen from
him ever, I think.
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It looks
pretty good on this.
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Yeah, it's all right.
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PATRICK LICHTY: What we have
here is that we have
our cyber Andy here
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who's going to be
wearing the suit.
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And I'm going to be showing
all the different ways
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in which the
Management Leisure Suit
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can be useful
in industry today
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and maximize
leisure potential.
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(LAUGHS)
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Sometimes I don't think
they know what the hell
to expect out of me.
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What I'll come up with
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is frequently not exactly
what they had in mind,
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but it's, you know,
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it fits in perfectly
with what they're,
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what they're going to do.
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Well, I mean,
I came out of
a corporate environment
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and a company that
I really gave, you know,
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a good bit of my soul to
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over a long period
of time progressively.
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And there were
a lot of downsizings
and, of course,
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you know, the
company I was with
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I thought was gonna
take care of me, you know.
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And I realized that
the bottom line
is the bottom line,
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and there really
isn't any humanity
in corporate structures,
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so therefore I hope
that maybe being part
of the Yes Men
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might, in some way,
help raise issues
about global work issues
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and social issues
that are being
brought about
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by globalization, etcetera.
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I grew up
in the suburbs here,
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and then I moved
to Troy, uh,
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six years ago
for a job at the
university there, so...
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A place there
called Rensselaer
Polytechnic Institute,
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and I teach there.
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I was moving
back home, really,
because I'd been away,
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I'd been on the West Coast
for about 12 years.
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WOMAN: Wait,
what is this?
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BONANNO: This is, um,
it's this...
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SimCopter hack.
Here it is.
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I wanted to
watch this tape
'cause I...
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This is the tape...
I've been cleaning
out the archives,
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you know, and I found
this tape in there.
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I met Andy through
a friend, actually.
A mutual friend.
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Actually, two people,
that we both knew,
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suggested that
me and Andy
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get in contact
with one another
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because we'd both
done similar projects.
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One of the jobs
that I had
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was at this games
company called Maxis
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that makes SimCity.
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One of the games
they were making
at the time
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was SimCopter.
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I was in charge
of the little people
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that run around
in the game.
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And I made them
wearing nothing
but swim trunks.
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They'd all be boys,
and they'd be
running around
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kissing each other.
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So all the people
who ordered this
very popular video game
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suddenly were treated
to a completely
different spectacle.
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And so he got a lot
of press attention for it,
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and it was seen
as a kind of,
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an activist, you know,
kind of statement
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about video games
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and the sort of
macho nature of them.
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It all involves
the unexpected appearance
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of some gay,
kissing muscle men
every Friday the 13th.
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He's becoming
a celebrity of sorts
in the computer world.
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Especially the
gay computer world.
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And then I had done
a project using
Barbie dolls,
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where we switched
the voice boxes of
Barbie dolls and G.I. Joes.
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(RECORDED MALE VOICE)
Troops, attack
that Cobra jet
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with heavy firepower!
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(GUNFIRE)
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And that ended up
in G.I. Joes
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that said things like,
"I love to shop with you,"
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and Barbie dolls
that said things like, um,
"Dead men tell no lies."
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And we got them back
on store shelves,
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um, all over the country
in what we called our
"Shop Giving Program."
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We're like Santa Claus,
only less radical,
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because Santa Claus
breaks into people's houses.
We don't do that.
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BONANNO: So that
when kids got them
at Christmas,
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they were surprised
to find their doll
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saying something other
than what they expected.
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And the kids thought
it was hilarious.
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You know,
they loved having
these crazy dolls.
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Uh, we sent out
press releases,
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so it was in the news
on Christmas Day
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and for the week following.
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It just went
through every kind of
media channel imaginable.
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The BLO.
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The mission of the BLO.
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The Barbie Liberation
Organization, the BLO.
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It was real funny 'cause
(MAN TRANSLATING
IN FRENCH)
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it was like "Come on,
fight me. Fight me!"
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Except it says.
(RECORDED FEMALE VOICE)
I love school. Don't you?
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Let's sing
with the band tonight!
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Now we're,
with the Yes Men,
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we're calling that
sort of basic idea
"Identity Correction,"
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like saying, okay,
these things...
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These things that are
not really presenting
themselves honestly
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or that hide something
about their nature
that's really scary,
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we want to, we want to
bring that out.
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We want to show that.
We want to demonstrate that.
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And so, like
for the WTO,
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you know, we think
that the WTO
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is doing all these
terrible things
that are hurting people
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and they're saying
the exact opposite.
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And so we're interested
in correcting their identity,
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in the same way
that an identity thief
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steals somebody's
identity to...
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In order to,
basically, just engage
in criminal practices,
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we target people
we see as criminals,
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and we steal their identity
to try to make them honest
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or to try to present
a more honest face.
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And so, you know,
I guess this whole thing
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has its roots
for both me and Andy
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in stuff that
we've been doing
for a long time,
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which is trying to
create public spectacles
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that, in some kind of
poetic way,
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reveal something
about our culture that's
profoundly a problem.
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That must be Sal.
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Oh, dude.
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Are you okay?
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SAL: I got fuckin'
lost on that...
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Oh, no.
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(LAUGHING)
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It's been a long day.
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Holy shit!
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Oh!
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Well, I probably
started it in June or July.
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So, on and off
for a good
two to three months.
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Just a couple
more pieces of Velcro,
and that'll really be it.
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And, yeah, we're...
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We're at the
end of the line.
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(BLOWING RASPBERRY)
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Oh.
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Okay, look.
So here we're
making a list here.
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Wednesday we leave
for Finland early,
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so, Sunday...
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Make lecture.
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BICHLBAUM: Bigger?
Oh, no. That's a big one.
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PowerPoint.
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And then speech.
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Finish.
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(KEYS CLACKING)
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It's 4:03 a.m.,
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and I guess
I'll just keep working
until morning.
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I feel somewhat awake.
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And then Andy
can take over again.
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We can do
around-the-clock shift,
I guess.
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I'm just trying
to add a few slides
into the PowerPoint here.
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Because, actually,
a lot of the things
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that, sort of,
business leaders
of the world
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say in relation
to these issues
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are actually sort of
very similar
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to what Unruh
Hank Hardy says,
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even though, maybe,
Unruh Hank Hardy
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is a little bit
more frank about it.
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And, in fact,
when he talked
to CNBC,
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when he was debating,
an activist, Barry Coates,
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just sort of agreed
with what he said
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when he said that
this is what the WTO does,
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and this is our position.
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And Barry Coates said,
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"Well, that's funny.
That's exactly right."
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After Salzburg,
we got an e-mail
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asking a representative
of the WTO
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to appear on CNBC
MarketWrap Europe.
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And the producer
apparently didn't notice
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that gatt.org
was not the WTO site.
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And Granwyth Hulatberi,
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which is another name
that Andy just came up with,
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responded and,
of course, said,
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"Well, I'd be happy to go
on CNBC MarketWrap."
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And that producer
wanted him to debate
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an anti-globalization
protester.
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If the WTO is serious
about addressing
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the issues
of world poverty,
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it would do things
completely differently
than it is now.
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Let me bring in
Granwyth on that.
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Is that a fair point?
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Well, of course it is,
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but, you know,
I think Barry,
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as well as all
the other protesters,
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are simply,
in a word,
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focused too much
on reality and
on facts and figures.
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00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,733
And I think
I would have to say
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that this is
a long-term problem
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that comes down
to a problem of education.
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00:19:06,533 --> 00:19:08,499
We have to find a way
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to convince perhaps
not the protesters,
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but the
protesters' children
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to follow thinkers like
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Milton Friedman
and Darwin and,
uh, and so on,
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rather than
what the protesters
have been reared on...
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Trotsky and Robespierre
and Abbie Hoffman.
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And I think that putting
the direction of education,
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being put into
private hands...
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A concentration of resources
in the private sector
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will naturally lead
to this result,
401
00:19:37,533 --> 00:19:39,732
and we'll see
the protesters' children
being reared
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with an entirely different
set of concerns.
403
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:43,699
Let me bring you
in on that, Barry.
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00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:45,532
I mean, can I just say
405
00:19:45,533 --> 00:19:48,099
that these kind of
simplistic arguments
406
00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:50,365
are really, I mean,
too insulting
407
00:19:50,366 --> 00:19:51,699
to most people
to believe.
408
00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:54,099
You know, the fact that
we have a choice between
409
00:19:54,100 --> 00:19:55,632
Milton Friedman
or Abbie Hoffman
410
00:19:55,633 --> 00:19:59,399
for where we get
our source of economic
history and philosophy.
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00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,399
There are many,
many thinkers
from around the world...
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Just not those one's
employed by the WTO.
413
00:20:05,266 --> 00:20:08,265
...that think
the World Trade
Organization policies
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00:20:08,266 --> 00:20:11,132
are deeply damaging
for the development prospects
of the poorest countries.
415
00:20:11,133 --> 00:20:12,766
Let me go out,
uh, to Granwyth.
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00:20:14,566 --> 00:20:18,766
Yes, um, well,
I wanted to speak
to Granwyth...
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00:20:19,033 --> 00:20:20,765
Sorry, to Barry's point that
there are other thinkers.
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00:20:20,766 --> 00:20:24,699
Well, who...
Who actually has
the power in the world
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and so who is correct
in this kind of world view?
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I mean, I think the
answer is easy
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and if you look
at the views held
by myself, my oganization
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and many, many of
the decision makers
in the world,
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the powerful people
they happen to coincide
with what I'm explaining
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and I think,
this is enough in
this sort of view.
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So... I mean,
what we have here
is a picture of
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the rich and powerful
people believe
a certain philosophy
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00:20:52,466 --> 00:20:56,099
which they then
propound through
the institutions
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in which they have
a powerful voice.
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And I think this is
exactly the model
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that is being questioned
and increasingly
what there is,
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00:21:04,433 --> 00:21:08,432
is a very large body
of people who are concerned
about these rules.
432
00:21:08,433 --> 00:21:11,565
The people on the streets
of Janeiro or in Seattle
433
00:21:11,566 --> 00:21:14,099
are not representative
of the overall movement.
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They are at the tip
of the iceberg.
We did the study last year
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that looked across
developing countries
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00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,599
and found that in
the space of one year
in 50 protests
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00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,699
more than a million people
from developing countries
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were out trying
to change the rules
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that were being
imposed on them
by the World Bank
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and the IMF
and locked down through
the World Trade Organization.
441
00:21:33,333 --> 00:21:34,732
All right. Thank you.
We must finish unfortunately.
442
00:21:34,733 --> 00:21:36,499
Barry Coates thank you
actually for joining us.
Thank you.
443
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And also Granwyth Hulatberi.
444
00:21:38,366 --> 00:21:40,333
And also Vern
and Alice on the line
from New York.
445
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,333
(SPEAKING FRENCH)
446
00:22:06,500 --> 00:22:08,566
Um, section three.
447
00:22:11,666 --> 00:22:13,332
Well...
448
00:22:13,333 --> 00:22:17,532
This isn't exactly
a garbage bag
but it's, uh...
449
00:22:17,533 --> 00:22:18,733
It'll work.
450
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,733
Yeah?
You think, this is
very business-like?
451
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,532
It's like,
it's very official...
452
00:22:25,533 --> 00:22:27,665
(WOMAN TALKING INDISTINCTLY)
Very big money.
453
00:22:27,666 --> 00:22:29,465
Okay, good.
That's what I need.
454
00:22:29,466 --> 00:22:31,433
I need a big
money watch.
455
00:22:33,033 --> 00:22:37,665
SALMONE: So, are you
as nervous as you were
for, uh, Salzburg?
456
00:22:37,666 --> 00:22:42,733
The thing is like,
even with the Salzburg thing
we went into it like...
457
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,665
Sort of, I mean we
went there really nervous
but the whole time kind of...
458
00:22:46,666 --> 00:22:49,365
It doesn't...
It doesn't really sink in
till you're actually there.
459
00:22:49,366 --> 00:22:50,665
Right.
460
00:22:50,666 --> 00:22:52,432
SALMONE: Well, I think
it's good you guys, like,
461
00:22:52,433 --> 00:22:54,532
from what I've seen
of the speech
462
00:22:54,533 --> 00:22:57,565
it kind of starts out
the most normal that is.
BONANNO: Yeah.
463
00:22:57,566 --> 00:23:00,199
So it'll help...
He can get comfortable
when people...
464
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,700
He can sort of like slowly
work his way up into it.
465
00:23:05,566 --> 00:23:07,433
You son
of a fucking bitch.
466
00:23:09,533 --> 00:23:11,500
(CLICKS TONGUE) Shit.
467
00:23:12,433 --> 00:23:14,065
Do you have a rag?
468
00:23:14,066 --> 00:23:15,432
BONANNO: Uh...
Fuck.
469
00:23:15,433 --> 00:23:17,565
Fuck, uh, shit, um...
470
00:23:17,566 --> 00:23:20,500
I have one with that has
shoe polish on it
but that's not right, right?
471
00:23:23,066 --> 00:23:24,399
The screen get
a little paint on it?
472
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,700
Yeah.
473
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,532
Hmm.
474
00:23:30,533 --> 00:23:32,766
(WHIRRING)
475
00:23:33,033 --> 00:23:34,532
It sounds like
a lawn mower.
476
00:23:34,533 --> 00:23:36,500
It's a little loud, yeah.
477
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:38,699
Mmm. That's not good.
Forget it.
478
00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:40,500
(WHIRRING CONTINUES)
479
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,532
Uh-oh.
Look, it made
a new noise.
480
00:23:50,533 --> 00:23:52,232
Good, good,
good. Great.
481
00:23:52,233 --> 00:23:53,699
Is that great?
Try it.
482
00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:55,266
And it doesn't work now.
483
00:23:55,633 --> 00:23:56,599
Oh, listen. Yes.
484
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,266
Okay. (LAUGHS)
485
00:23:59,733 --> 00:24:01,033
(LAUGHS)
486
00:24:07,433 --> 00:24:09,566
(SPEAKING FRENCH)
487
00:24:12,466 --> 00:24:14,633
Okay, 10 minutes.
They're both here.
488
00:24:15,466 --> 00:24:16,600
Phew.
489
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:18,666
Hey, Sal.
490
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,133
Thanks.
491
00:24:22,466 --> 00:24:24,066
(LAUGHS)
492
00:24:25,466 --> 00:24:27,099
We'll see how it goes.
Thanks for everything.
493
00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:29,533
Yeah. Sleep good
and have a good time here.
494
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,499
Yeah.
Enjoy.
495
00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:32,499
See you soon.
496
00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:35,099
Move into my room.
Have enjoyment.
497
00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:36,466
Okay.
(LAUGHS)
498
00:24:38,766 --> 00:24:40,265
Is this everything?
499
00:24:40,266 --> 00:24:41,533
Wow. Look how efficient.
500
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:43,632
Okay.
501
00:24:43,633 --> 00:24:45,099
(GRUNTS)
502
00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:47,533
Efficient.
A model of efficiency
right here.
503
00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:52,765
You have some crap
on your face right here.
504
00:24:52,766 --> 00:24:54,466
No, no, over here.
505
00:24:55,633 --> 00:24:56,500
Looks better.
506
00:25:03,633 --> 00:25:05,500
(TALKING INDISTINCTLY)
507
00:25:23,666 --> 00:25:25,466
(MUSIC PLAYING ON STEREO)
508
00:25:29,533 --> 00:25:31,632
BONANNO:
We arrived last night,
509
00:25:31,633 --> 00:25:33,532
you had to take a nap.
You had to get some sleep.
510
00:25:33,533 --> 00:25:34,665
BICHLBAUM: Oh,
I just crashed, yeah.
511
00:25:34,666 --> 00:25:37,132
And, uh, I went
512
00:25:37,133 --> 00:25:38,733
and basically scoped out
the lecture site.
513
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,232
There was a sign
on the door that said,
514
00:25:41,233 --> 00:25:42,732
"Textiles of the future,
515
00:25:42,733 --> 00:25:46,532
"Unruh Hank Hardy
was the first speaker.
Hank Hardy Unruh."
516
00:25:46,533 --> 00:25:48,766
And, um, you know, it all
looked sort of official.
517
00:25:49,033 --> 00:25:51,733
The coffee cups were out
for the morning.
518
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,532
So, I thought,
this is great.
I'm all ready,
519
00:25:53,533 --> 00:25:55,165
I know exactly
where it is.
520
00:25:55,166 --> 00:25:56,699
We can go there.
I had a time...
521
00:25:56,700 --> 00:25:59,165
Like set up
a little time table
and I got them, you know,
522
00:25:59,166 --> 00:26:02,766
maps of the thing,
and all the updated
conference information.
523
00:26:03,033 --> 00:26:05,665
Um, came back here,
524
00:26:05,666 --> 00:26:06,665
then we went to sleep early,
525
00:26:06,666 --> 00:26:09,699
but Hank was
snoring immediately.
526
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:11,766
But I wasn't able
to sleep at all, really.
527
00:26:12,033 --> 00:26:13,766
I just like stayed there
awake in bed
528
00:26:14,033 --> 00:26:17,265
and occasionally going
to bathroom and turn on
the light and read brochures,
529
00:26:17,266 --> 00:26:20,565
because I was like,
just unable to sleep.
530
00:26:20,566 --> 00:26:23,500
And eventually,
I think I fell asleep
just before waking up.
531
00:26:27,566 --> 00:26:29,166
Great.
532
00:26:31,733 --> 00:26:33,766
So, I'm leaving
my wallet here.
533
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,066
Okay, let's go.
534
00:26:42,566 --> 00:26:44,365
It's 8:00.
535
00:26:44,366 --> 00:26:46,133
I think I really will
leave it here.
536
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,666
Aren't you coming?
537
00:26:58,433 --> 00:27:00,566
Hank, it was
a little early to get up.
538
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,599
It's all right.
539
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,599
I mean, I thought
this was vacation.
540
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,232
(SNIFFS) Like, what?
541
00:27:06,233 --> 00:27:07,600
Vacation.
I know.
542
00:27:08,633 --> 00:27:10,733
They take me to Finland...
543
00:27:16,733 --> 00:27:19,365
Let me take care
of this egg for you.
I'll just peel it.
544
00:27:19,366 --> 00:27:21,099
That would be nice,
thank you.
545
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:22,666
Mmm-hmm.
546
00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:28,065
Well, you know,
we're a bit behind schedule.
547
00:27:28,066 --> 00:27:30,599
Are we?
Well, little bit.
It's after 8:00.
548
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,699
And I really wanted to be
at the venue at 8:00.
549
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:35,765
Okay.
But we're doing fine anyway.
550
00:27:35,766 --> 00:27:36,765
Is it after 8:00?
551
00:27:36,766 --> 00:27:38,300
It is after 8:00.
Yeah.
552
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,600
You know,
pretend like...
553
00:27:52,133 --> 00:27:53,300
Huh.
Great.
554
00:27:54,166 --> 00:27:55,700
We're early.
Ah. Good.
555
00:27:59,000 --> 00:27:59,765
Hello.
556
00:27:59,766 --> 00:28:01,699
I'm Hank Hardy Unruh.
I'm from the...
557
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:03,099
Oh, great.
558
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:04,399
Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
559
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,765
We were expecting you.
560
00:28:05,766 --> 00:28:06,566
Oh, good. (LAUGHS)
561
00:28:07,633 --> 00:28:09,733
It's not 9:30, no?
It's 8:30, right?
562
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,299
Um. Uh,
but you will have a...
563
00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:14,399
It's 8:30 now.
8:30.
564
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,633
Is it?
It...
565
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:19,265
It is... It's 9:30.
566
00:28:19,266 --> 00:28:20,332
Now?
Yes.
567
00:28:20,333 --> 00:28:21,733
No. Yeah.
568
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:22,765
The time is 9:30?
569
00:28:22,766 --> 00:28:24,265
Yes.
Yeah. Almost.
570
00:28:24,266 --> 00:28:27,099
I'm on at...
Well, it's 9:27
at the moment.
571
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:29,300
Oh, my God.
We're an hour off.
572
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:30,733
Oh, my God.
Thank you.
573
00:28:31,033 --> 00:28:32,165
Okay.
574
00:28:32,166 --> 00:28:33,766
Well, we have to...
Anyhow.
575
00:28:34,033 --> 00:28:35,065
We're starting...
576
00:28:35,066 --> 00:28:36,766
Do they know that
he's going on now?
577
00:28:37,033 --> 00:28:39,699
Uh, yeah.
Well, perhaps he knows that
and was expecting.
578
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:40,766
Oh, geez. Okay.
579
00:28:41,033 --> 00:28:42,333
Okay, we...
580
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:47,766
Are you coming too?
Have you registered?
581
00:28:48,033 --> 00:28:49,732
Um, I'm his...
I'm his assistant.
582
00:28:49,733 --> 00:28:52,199
And this also.
We're both
working with him.
583
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,700
We have to go take care
of a few things now.
584
00:28:55,433 --> 00:28:56,699
BOTH: Okay.
585
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:57,665
Would you like
to join the dinner?
586
00:28:57,666 --> 00:28:59,199
Uh, yes, please.
587
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,733
Uh, or is there a fee or...
588
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,499
Uh, no, it's included.
589
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:04,766
Okay, yes. We'll...
We'll join the dinner.
That looks great.
590
00:29:05,033 --> 00:29:06,399
Um...
Uh...
591
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,299
Wow.
Well,
we must hurry, I guess.
592
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:10,766
So, please yes.
593
00:29:12,733 --> 00:29:14,732
Um, actually no,
you can't go in right now,
594
00:29:14,733 --> 00:29:17,065
'cause you have
to first take care
of that business.
595
00:29:17,066 --> 00:29:18,332
See we're an hour...
596
00:29:18,333 --> 00:29:20,065
We did...
We'll be five...
597
00:29:20,066 --> 00:29:21,065
We had an hour off so...
598
00:29:21,066 --> 00:29:23,365
I have to
do something, um...
Yes.
599
00:29:23,366 --> 00:29:25,065
He has to make
a very important
phone call right now.
600
00:29:25,066 --> 00:29:26,365
It'll take five minutes.
601
00:29:26,366 --> 00:29:28,065
Five minutes?
Yes.
602
00:29:28,066 --> 00:29:30,065
But, uh... But you will
have your presentation
603
00:29:30,066 --> 00:29:31,365
starting off
in two minutes.
604
00:29:31,366 --> 00:29:33,733
Yes, please tell him that
I'll be three minutes late.
605
00:29:39,766 --> 00:29:41,766
There is a detail.
606
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,065
Jesus. Fuck.
607
00:29:44,066 --> 00:29:45,765
How come we
didn't know that?
608
00:29:45,766 --> 00:29:47,400
That's really incredible.
609
00:29:48,466 --> 00:29:49,732
Come on.
610
00:29:49,733 --> 00:29:51,400
Okay. Now.
611
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:54,599
UNRUH: Jesus.
This is terrible.
612
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,033
This is the stupidest.
I can't...
613
00:29:58,333 --> 00:30:00,733
It's an hour's difference.
The time zone
is different here.
614
00:30:02,066 --> 00:30:03,566
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS)
615
00:30:04,133 --> 00:30:05,232
Unbelievable.
616
00:30:05,233 --> 00:30:07,465
How the fuck
can that happen?
617
00:30:07,466 --> 00:30:10,232
BONANNO: Okay. Here.
That's done. Now,
you tape them in.
618
00:30:10,233 --> 00:30:13,066
Okay. Now quick.
The shirt.
The underwear.
619
00:30:14,766 --> 00:30:15,733
Gold underwear.
620
00:30:16,366 --> 00:30:17,466
Okay.
621
00:30:18,733 --> 00:30:20,765
BONANNO: Does that...
Do I have to put
something through this?
622
00:30:20,766 --> 00:30:22,765
No.
Okay, uh...
623
00:30:22,766 --> 00:30:24,133
Mmm-hmm.
624
00:30:25,766 --> 00:30:26,732
Your testicles
hanging out?
625
00:30:26,733 --> 00:30:28,099
Uh, yeah.
626
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:29,300
Okay.
627
00:30:30,066 --> 00:30:31,233
Okay.
628
00:30:33,266 --> 00:30:34,733
Okay, great.
629
00:30:36,733 --> 00:30:38,265
Oh, God.
630
00:30:38,266 --> 00:30:40,532
Okay. Great.
631
00:30:40,533 --> 00:30:42,099
Let's go.
Now air in it.
632
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:43,000
Okay, now the pants.
633
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,100
Oh, hi.
Nice to meet you.
I'm so sorry.
634
00:30:53,466 --> 00:30:55,000
(SPEAKING ENGLISH)
635
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,132
Thank you. (LAUGHS)
636
00:31:11,133 --> 00:31:13,000
I'm terribly...
What?
637
00:31:14,133 --> 00:31:16,066
Yes. I have a presentation.
638
00:31:18,133 --> 00:31:20,132
I'm terribly sorry.
639
00:31:20,133 --> 00:31:24,066
Uh, I think the World Trade
Organization is supposed to
know about time zones but...
640
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:28,132
Somebody said,
"Isn't there
a time difference?"
641
00:31:28,133 --> 00:31:32,065
And I said,
"No. All of Europe,
same time zone."
642
00:31:32,066 --> 00:31:34,766
(LAUGHS)
So, that convinced us all.
643
00:31:35,033 --> 00:31:36,432
And we were convinced,
that it was
Me too.
644
00:31:36,433 --> 00:31:38,766
the right time when we
woke up this morning.
645
00:31:39,033 --> 00:31:41,733
And we were running...
We were running five
or 10 minutes late.
646
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,432
And then
figured out that, you know,
the laptop wasn't working.
647
00:31:46,433 --> 00:31:48,565
UNRUH: No, maybe we could
switch the order.
648
00:31:48,566 --> 00:31:50,733
Can we have
somebody else go
and then I go later?
649
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,132
And they said, "Okay,
I think we can do that."
650
00:31:53,133 --> 00:31:54,699
And then they called
the coffee people
651
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:57,665
and they talked to
the coffee people to see
if the coffee was possible.
652
00:31:57,666 --> 00:31:59,100
BICHLBAUM: That was it.
653
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:13,433
Thank you very much.
654
00:33:14,066 --> 00:33:15,765
It's this one.
655
00:33:15,766 --> 00:33:19,732
Um, it's quite an honor
to be here in Tampere
addressing this audience
656
00:33:19,733 --> 00:33:23,633
of the most outstanding
textile workers
in the world today.
657
00:33:25,066 --> 00:33:27,232
I see on all
the faces here today,
658
00:33:27,233 --> 00:33:29,365
a touching
childlike eagerness
659
00:33:29,366 --> 00:33:32,400
to tackle the biggest
textiles questions
in the world.
660
00:33:33,366 --> 00:33:35,565
How do we at the WTO fit in?
661
00:33:35,566 --> 00:33:37,232
What we want to do
at the WTO
662
00:33:37,233 --> 00:33:40,265
is help you achieve
your dollar results.
663
00:33:40,266 --> 00:33:42,532
And in just
20 minutes from now,
664
00:33:42,533 --> 00:33:47,132
I'm going to show you,
the WTO's very own solution
665
00:33:47,133 --> 00:33:50,565
to two of the very
biggest problems
in management.
666
00:33:50,566 --> 00:33:54,132
One, maintaining rapport
with distant workforce
667
00:33:54,133 --> 00:33:58,265
and two, maintaining
helpful amounts of leisure.
668
00:33:58,266 --> 00:34:01,633
This solution
appropriately enough
is based in textiles.
669
00:34:04,133 --> 00:34:09,165
Uh, but how did workers
ever get to be a problem?
670
00:34:09,166 --> 00:34:13,199
Before unveiling our solution,
I'd like to talk about
a bit of history
671
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,699
of the worker
management problem.
672
00:34:15,700 --> 00:34:19,665
Uh, we all know about
the American Civil War
at least in the US.
673
00:34:19,666 --> 00:34:24,132
Uh, it was the bloodiest,
least profitable war in the
history of our country.
674
00:34:24,133 --> 00:34:28,399
A war in which unbelievably
huge amounts of money
went right down the drain
675
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,199
and all for textiles.
676
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,699
By the 1860s
the South was
utterly flush with cash.
677
00:34:34,700 --> 00:34:37,132
It'd recently benefited
from the cotton gin.
678
00:34:37,133 --> 00:34:39,599
An invention that took
the seeds out of cotton
679
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,132
and the South out
of its preindustrial past.
680
00:34:43,133 --> 00:34:44,565
Hundreds of thousands
of workers
681
00:34:44,566 --> 00:34:47,332
previously unemployed
in their countries of origin
682
00:34:47,333 --> 00:34:50,199
were given
useful jobs in textiles.
683
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,500
Into this rosy picture of
freedom and boon stepped,
you guessed it,
684
00:34:54,166 --> 00:34:55,732
"The North."
685
00:34:55,733 --> 00:35:00,299
Now some Civil War apologists
have said that the Civil War
for all its faults
686
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:02,199
at least had
the effect of outlawing
687
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,332
an involuntarily
imported workforce
model of work.
688
00:35:05,333 --> 00:35:08,265
Now, this model is,
of course a terrible thing.
689
00:35:08,266 --> 00:35:10,299
I myself am an abolitionist.
690
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:14,465
But, uh, in fact,
there is no doubt, that left
to their own devices,
691
00:35:14,466 --> 00:35:19,166
markets would have
eventually replaced slavery
with cleaner sources of labor.
692
00:35:19,766 --> 00:35:21,699
To prove my point,
693
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:25,233
please join me on what
Albert Einstein used to call
a thought experiment.
694
00:35:26,766 --> 00:35:31,165
Suppose, involuntarily
imported labor
had never been outlawed.
695
00:35:31,166 --> 00:35:34,499
That slaves still existed,
and that it were easy
to own one.
696
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:38,632
What do you think,
it would cost today to
profitably maintain a slave
697
00:35:38,633 --> 00:35:41,232
say here in Tampere?
698
00:35:41,233 --> 00:35:46,165
Let's see,
a finished clothing set costs
$50 at the very least.
699
00:35:46,166 --> 00:35:49,765
Uh, two meals
from McDonalds,
uh, costs about $10.
700
00:35:49,766 --> 00:35:54,065
The cheapest small room
probably runs for
about $250 a month.
701
00:35:54,066 --> 00:35:56,532
To function well,
you have to pay
for your slaves health care.
702
00:35:56,533 --> 00:35:59,365
If its country of origin
was polluted for example
703
00:35:59,366 --> 00:36:01,365
that might run
very expensively.
704
00:36:01,366 --> 00:36:03,699
And of course,
with child labor laws
here in Finland,
705
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:06,533
uh, much of the youth market
is simply not available.
706
00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:12,232
Now leave the, uh,
same slave back at home,
let's say, Gabon.
707
00:36:12,233 --> 00:36:16,265
In Gabon $10 pays
for two weeks of food.
708
00:36:16,266 --> 00:36:21,265
Two hundred and fifty dollars
pays for two years of housing
not a month at best.
709
00:36:21,266 --> 00:36:24,766
Uh, $50 pays for a lifetime
of budget clothing
710
00:36:25,033 --> 00:36:28,365
and health care
is, of course, cheaper
and on top of it all
711
00:36:28,366 --> 00:36:31,699
youth can
be gainfully employed
without restriction.
712
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:34,265
The biggest benefit
of the remote
labor system though
713
00:36:34,266 --> 00:36:36,399
is to the slave
him or herself.
714
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,766
Because in Gabon,
there is no need for
the slave not to be free.
715
00:36:41,033 --> 00:36:45,232
This is primarily because
there are no one-time slave
transport costs to recoup
716
00:36:45,233 --> 00:36:47,399
and so the potential
losses from fleeing
717
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,565
are limited to the slave's
rudimentary training.
718
00:36:50,566 --> 00:36:52,699
So, since the slave
can be free,
719
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:56,432
he or she suddenly
becomes a worker
rather than a slave.
720
00:36:56,433 --> 00:37:00,265
Also terrific for morale
is that slaves, workers
721
00:37:00,266 --> 00:37:02,565
have the luxury
of remaining in
their native habitat
722
00:37:02,566 --> 00:37:05,332
and don't have to
relocate to places where
they would be subject to
723
00:37:05,333 --> 00:37:09,699
such unpleasantries
as home sickness and racism.
724
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:13,132
I think it's clear
from our little
thought experiment
725
00:37:13,133 --> 00:37:16,399
that if the North
and South had let
the market sort it out
726
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,399
without protectionist tariffs
727
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,265
they would have
quickly given up slavery
728
00:37:20,266 --> 00:37:22,599
for something
more efficient anyhow.
729
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,699
By forcing the issue,
730
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:27,733
the North not only committed
a terrible injustice against
the freedom of the South
731
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,733
but also deprived slavery
of its natural development
into remote labor.
732
00:37:34,733 --> 00:37:37,599
Had the leaders of the 1860s
United States understood
733
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,599
what our leaders
understand today,
734
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,465
the Civil War would
have never happened.
735
00:37:42,466 --> 00:37:44,465
In a world where the
headquarters of a company
736
00:37:44,466 --> 00:37:48,299
might be in New York,
Honk Kong,
or Espoo Finland
737
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:52,599
and the workers are
in Gabon, Rangoon,
or Estonia.
738
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,765
How does the manager
maintain proper rapport
with the workers
739
00:37:55,766 --> 00:37:59,299
and how does he or she
ensure from a distance that
workers perform their work
740
00:37:59,300 --> 00:38:00,466
in an ethical fashion?
741
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,465
I'm about to show you
an actual prototype
742
00:38:04,466 --> 00:38:09,099
of the WTO's solution
to two major management
problems of today.
743
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:12,299
Now, we all know that,
not even the best
workplace design can help
744
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:15,733
even the most astute manager
keep track of workers.
745
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,465
What you need is a solution
that enables complete
rapport with workers
746
00:38:21,466 --> 00:38:23,566
especially when they
are located far away.
747
00:38:24,766 --> 00:38:26,533
Mike, would you
help me a moment?
748
00:38:41,466 --> 00:38:43,300
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
749
00:38:49,633 --> 00:38:50,632
Thank you.
750
00:38:50,633 --> 00:38:54,765
This is much better.
Much more comfortable.
751
00:38:54,766 --> 00:38:59,399
This is the WTO's answer
to two of the major
management problems
752
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,532
and we're calling it
"The Management Leisure Suit."
753
00:39:02,533 --> 00:39:05,132
It's a...
The two problems again,
754
00:39:05,133 --> 00:39:07,665
how to maintain
close rapport
with distant workers
755
00:39:07,666 --> 00:39:12,532
and how to remain
comfortable and increase
leisure activities.
756
00:39:12,533 --> 00:39:15,532
How does the, uh,
Management Leisure Suit work?
757
00:39:15,533 --> 00:39:18,733
Besides being
extremely comfortable,
as I can guarantee you.
758
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,666
Well, allow me to describe
the Suit's core features.
759
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,166
(AIR HISSING)
760
00:39:39,166 --> 00:39:40,433
(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)
761
00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:47,166
(AIR HISSING)
762
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:49,633
This... This...
763
00:39:51,066 --> 00:39:53,065
Is the EVA.
764
00:39:53,066 --> 00:39:56,699
The Employee
Visualization Appendage.
765
00:39:56,700 --> 00:40:02,066
It's an instantly deployable
hip-mounted device with
totally handsfree operation
766
00:40:03,533 --> 00:40:07,699
that allows the manager
to see his employees
directly right here.
767
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:11,766
Signals communicating
the exact amount and
quality of physical work
768
00:40:12,033 --> 00:40:14,532
are transmitted
not only visually right here
769
00:40:14,533 --> 00:40:16,432
but directly through
electric channels
770
00:40:16,433 --> 00:40:19,165
implanted directly
into the manager.
771
00:40:19,166 --> 00:40:21,599
Uh, the workers,
for their part,
are fitted with
772
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,599
corresponding
transmitting chips
773
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,599
that are implanted humanely
directly into the shoulder.
774
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,432
But the other equally
important achievement
of the MLS
775
00:40:31,433 --> 00:40:33,565
has to do with leisure.
776
00:40:33,566 --> 00:40:34,599
In the United States
777
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,465
leisure, another word
for freedom really,
778
00:40:37,466 --> 00:40:41,099
has, uh, been decreasing
steadily since the 1970s.
779
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:42,599
The "Management Leisure Suit"
780
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,532
permits the manager
to reverse this trend
781
00:40:44,533 --> 00:40:47,199
by letting him
do his work anywhere
782
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,432
while remaining
in complete touch
with the workers.
783
00:40:50,433 --> 00:40:54,465
Physically sensing
what's going on in the
workforce on the floor
784
00:40:54,466 --> 00:40:57,099
through channels implanted
directly into the manager.
785
00:40:57,100 --> 00:41:00,165
Again the manager
sees the employees
786
00:41:00,166 --> 00:41:03,565
but also feels
what they're feeling
and can select
787
00:41:03,566 --> 00:41:06,133
where to focus
in the workplace environment.
788
00:41:07,433 --> 00:41:10,099
So, in conclusion
789
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:13,466
I'd like to ask
"Is this a science
fiction scenario?"
790
00:41:14,466 --> 00:41:15,533
(CHUCKLING)
791
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:20,433
The answer is "no."
792
00:41:21,433 --> 00:41:23,099
Everything we've seen here,
793
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:26,599
everything we've been
talking about is entirely
possible today.
794
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,732
We can always look forward
on the highways of progress,
795
00:41:29,733 --> 00:41:33,465
towards ever new horizons
with cooperation
796
00:41:33,466 --> 00:41:36,565
and mutual delight
in the fruits of prosperity.
797
00:41:36,566 --> 00:41:38,332
I'm very excited to be here.
798
00:41:38,333 --> 00:41:39,599
Thank you very much.
799
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,233
(AUDIENCE CLAPPING)
800
00:42:05,666 --> 00:42:08,566
Something we're trying
to do more and more as...
Yeah.
801
00:42:29,566 --> 00:42:31,699
I wasn't depressed
by people not reacting.
802
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:34,665
I wasn't depressed by
people just swallowing it
and not asking questions.
803
00:42:34,666 --> 00:42:36,699
Because I thought,
"Well, that shows
804
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:39,565
"that you need some
sort of control."
805
00:42:39,566 --> 00:42:40,699
Because here you can,
you know,
806
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:42,499
the WTO, me,
807
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:44,665
can come in
and say these
amazingly hideous things
808
00:42:44,666 --> 00:42:46,765
to this group of
the most educated people,
809
00:42:46,766 --> 00:42:51,165
like the top .1%,
education-wise, people
in the entire world
810
00:42:51,166 --> 00:42:52,766
in a developed country
like Finland...
811
00:42:53,033 --> 00:42:55,399
These people all have
PhDs or advanced degrees
812
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,665
and you can say
the most atrocious things
813
00:42:57,666 --> 00:42:59,665
and nobody
will really react
814
00:42:59,666 --> 00:43:01,199
and nobody
will really care.
815
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,265
It's like, you know,
what can...
816
00:43:03,266 --> 00:43:05,300
What can't corporations
get away with?
817
00:43:10,033 --> 00:43:11,699
(BELL DINGING)
818
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:13,533
(WOMAN ANNOUNCING IN SWEDISH)
819
00:43:14,566 --> 00:43:16,000
Mmm.
820
00:43:18,366 --> 00:43:19,599
MAN: So, where are we?
821
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,299
Well, we're arriving
in Helsinki right now.
822
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,199
Um, we left
the conference
this morning.
823
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,565
It was just, um...
824
00:43:26,566 --> 00:43:28,565
It had just driven
us completely mad.
825
00:43:28,566 --> 00:43:30,299
(CHUCKLING) After
dinner last night we...
826
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:32,599
I think we had
had our fill at dinner.
827
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,599
I had to actually
leave a little bit early.
828
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,732
I went over to the
table where Unruh...
829
00:43:38,733 --> 00:43:43,299
Where Hanky Hardy
had to sit with
the big man and eat.
830
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:45,665
And I told them that
we needed to leave
831
00:43:45,666 --> 00:43:47,599
because we had
a telephone meeting
832
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,666
with Mobutu Oblongatu
immediately.
833
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:52,732
(ALL LAUGHING)
834
00:43:52,733 --> 00:43:54,399
Great.
Hi!
835
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,632
Sorry,
but in a minute
836
00:43:55,633 --> 00:43:57,632
we're supposed
to meet Manduka Javango.
837
00:43:57,633 --> 00:43:59,732
Oh, God!
At 10:00.
838
00:43:59,733 --> 00:44:01,399
And then we both
started laughing
839
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,099
which is really
not convenient
for the context.
840
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:08,765
So, we left
and then we just decided
that basically like...
841
00:44:08,766 --> 00:44:13,399
We couldn't figure out
what else we could possibly
do at this conference.
842
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,000
So, we just thought,
"Well, let's go
to Helsinki instead."
843
00:44:18,266 --> 00:44:20,632
So, this is the paper.
On the front page, uh...
844
00:44:20,633 --> 00:44:22,265
Just discovered it.
845
00:44:22,266 --> 00:44:25,632
It says
"There's a seminar
at the university
846
00:44:25,633 --> 00:44:29,732
"and, um,
that somebody talked about
controlling remote workers
847
00:44:29,733 --> 00:44:31,632
"with electrical impulsions."
848
00:44:31,633 --> 00:44:32,733
Impulse, yeah.
849
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,033
And then you
turn to the page.
850
00:44:37,133 --> 00:44:38,632
And that's what you get.
851
00:44:38,633 --> 00:44:42,132
BONANNO: And this,
right here represents
852
00:44:42,133 --> 00:44:44,200
the World Trade
Organization.
853
00:44:44,733 --> 00:44:45,765
This...
854
00:44:45,766 --> 00:44:47,265
This is
This is
855
00:44:47,266 --> 00:44:49,700
the World Trade Organization.
the World Trade Organization.
856
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,665
MOORE: I went down
to this Mexican border
towns in the mid '80s.
857
00:44:58,666 --> 00:44:59,733
They were called maquiladoras.
858
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,765
And when they first had,
you know, this sort of
859
00:45:01,766 --> 00:45:05,765
the first trade agreements
between Mexico and
the United States.
860
00:45:05,766 --> 00:45:08,733
And everyone was saying
"Oh, this is gonna raise
Mexico out of poverty
861
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,665
"and things are
gonna be so great
862
00:45:10,666 --> 00:45:14,399
"and within 10 years
they'd all be driving
shiny new cars in Mexico."
863
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,699
And I went
down there and saw this...
The incredible poverty
864
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:21,432
in these Mexican
border towns.
865
00:45:21,433 --> 00:45:22,699
15 years later
I went back.
866
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:24,699
Not a damn thing
had changed.
867
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:28,733
Here's all these workers
working for all these
American corporations.
868
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,532
And you just go
across the street
869
00:45:31,533 --> 00:45:34,332
and you found people
living in the same
horrid conditions.
870
00:45:34,333 --> 00:45:36,766
The same poverty existing.
871
00:45:37,033 --> 00:45:40,299
And you have to ask
"Well, who is benefiting
from this?"
872
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:42,732
Well, who benefited
were these American
corporations.
873
00:45:42,733 --> 00:45:45,699
During the 1990s they
became even more wealthy.
874
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:48,665
They posted a record profit,
larger record profits.
875
00:45:48,666 --> 00:45:51,532
And the people of Mexico
just continue to suffer.
876
00:45:51,533 --> 00:45:53,766
It's all a big scam.
877
00:46:00,466 --> 00:46:02,733
(RADIO PLAYING)
878
00:46:11,366 --> 00:46:12,699
BONANNO: This is the one?
879
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:14,332
No.
(EXHALING)
880
00:46:14,333 --> 00:46:16,000
You got the wrong one.
881
00:46:16,433 --> 00:46:18,732
Shit!
882
00:46:18,733 --> 00:46:20,465
Will WTO stand up?
BICHLBAUM: Oh, yeah.
883
00:46:20,466 --> 00:46:23,065
Oh, my God!
It's got pictures.
They're nice.
884
00:46:23,066 --> 00:46:24,766
You see...
Yeah, they actually
look okay.
885
00:46:25,033 --> 00:46:26,565
at that size.
Bichlbaum isn't an employee...
886
00:46:26,566 --> 00:46:29,332
Wow, but he plays
one on TV.
887
00:46:29,333 --> 00:46:32,332
BONANNO: Yeah,
this is basically
the core of what we do.
888
00:46:32,333 --> 00:46:35,700
All of these newspapers
and magazines have articles
889
00:46:36,366 --> 00:46:37,499
on the Yes Men.
890
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:41,232
And this is why
we are doing these things.
891
00:46:41,233 --> 00:46:43,099
This is why we go
and do these conferences.
892
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:45,532
This is not
for the 200 people
or the 100 people
893
00:46:45,533 --> 00:46:48,099
that might see us
give the lecture.
894
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:49,532
Although we like them
895
00:46:49,533 --> 00:46:51,732
to come away with
an interesting experience
from the lecture.
896
00:46:51,733 --> 00:46:53,765
The reason we do it
897
00:46:53,766 --> 00:46:56,765
is so that people
who read Bizzarre magazine
898
00:46:56,766 --> 00:47:00,732
or the New York Times
or Fortune or Harper's
can read about it
899
00:47:00,733 --> 00:47:02,232
in the mainstream press.
900
00:47:02,233 --> 00:47:04,232
I mean this is how
millions of people
901
00:47:04,233 --> 00:47:06,232
can read about it
and potentially
902
00:47:06,233 --> 00:47:10,100
get turned on to
some of the ideas
of anti-globalization.
903
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,765
One of the problems
with the Fortune
thing is that
904
00:47:14,766 --> 00:47:16,599
it's in this, this, uh...
905
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,765
Well, Fortune, it's like
read by business people
906
00:47:19,766 --> 00:47:22,132
and accountants
and that kind of thing.
907
00:47:22,133 --> 00:47:24,766
And that's exactly
who we're um,
908
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:28,499
supposed to be talking to
in Australia in May.
909
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:31,132
It's an accounting
conference.
910
00:47:31,133 --> 00:47:33,300
It's a little,
little worrisome.
911
00:47:44,533 --> 00:47:45,733
You need a new shirt.
912
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,265
And one that's
not wrinkled.
Yeah.
913
00:47:47,266 --> 00:47:50,265
Will that be good
with your, um, thing?
Oh, yeah.
914
00:47:50,266 --> 00:47:51,733
Do you think it'll
work with your suit?
Yeah.
915
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,399
This one's extra-large.
Yeah, they'll all
work with my suit.
916
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:55,665
It's terrible.
917
00:47:55,666 --> 00:47:58,766
It's striped though.
Is that okay?
Yeah.
918
00:47:59,033 --> 00:48:01,132
I'm sure it's okay.
I mean, why don't you
go get a shirt then?
919
00:48:01,133 --> 00:48:02,299
I'll just get this. Wait.
Yeah.
920
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:04,766
It's co... Oh, it's not
very much cotton.
921
00:48:05,033 --> 00:48:06,665
How much is that?
I hate that.
922
00:48:06,666 --> 00:48:09,299
35.
It's 35%. It's like...
923
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:10,733
No, it's fine...
It doesn't wrinkle
much then.
924
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,165
That's nice about that.
925
00:48:12,166 --> 00:48:14,065
I'll just wear it. Okay.
You can pack it...
926
00:48:14,066 --> 00:48:15,300
All right.
927
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,132
BONANNO: I mean,
the thing is like...
928
00:48:23,133 --> 00:48:24,599
There's a question
of whether he is...
929
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,132
Like at what point
he recognizes you
doesn't really matter.
930
00:48:27,133 --> 00:48:28,365
What we want is that...
(CLEARING THROAT)
931
00:48:28,366 --> 00:48:30,733
That moment.
That moment when
he does recognize you.
932
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:31,766
So, if he recognizes
you here
933
00:48:32,033 --> 00:48:33,766
and sees that
you're in the room,
934
00:48:34,033 --> 00:48:37,132
then he'll be, he'll be
looking back and forth
at you, at the screen...
935
00:48:37,133 --> 00:48:40,566
At that point
if he recognizes you,
we better say something.
936
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,533
BONANNO: Guess, no.
I think it's down here
but I don't know.
937
00:49:10,066 --> 00:49:11,200
Thank you.
938
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:17,065
Barry, hi.
How are you doing?
Hi! Nice to meet you.
939
00:49:17,066 --> 00:49:20,165
Good to meet you.
Good. Great. Yeah.
940
00:49:20,166 --> 00:49:22,665
We're in London
and we were just at the
941
00:49:22,666 --> 00:49:24,732
offices of the World
Development Movement
942
00:49:24,733 --> 00:49:27,232
where we talked
to Barry Coates
943
00:49:27,233 --> 00:49:28,732
who's the director of the
World Development Movement.
944
00:49:28,733 --> 00:49:33,099
And who showed up
on CNBC MarketWrap Europe
945
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:37,199
debating, um,
our friend here
Granwyth Hulatberi
946
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,399
about, uh, the prospects
of WTO and globalization.
947
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,199
Um, we kind
of expected him
948
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,099
maybe to have a glimmer
of recognition immediately.
949
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:47,632
And he didn't. Okay.
Then we put on the tape.
950
00:49:47,633 --> 00:49:53,232
And he laughed
at how horribly
stupid it was.
951
00:49:53,233 --> 00:49:56,232
But he never realized
that this wasn't
952
00:49:56,233 --> 00:49:58,199
really a representative
of WTO.
953
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,099
Even when he
saw me like this
right next to him.
954
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:03,532
And then we switched seats
and he still didn't notice.
955
00:50:03,533 --> 00:50:07,599
And then I had to put
my face next to the thing
and like...
956
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,599
BONANNO: Yeah.
Let's just pause it here.
957
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,132
Okay. Hit stop.
Um, is there a pause?
958
00:50:12,133 --> 00:50:14,232
Stop button.
There's no pause.
959
00:50:14,233 --> 00:50:16,399
I don't know
what I could have
said after that.
960
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,599
After that clip.
961
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:18,765
I mean, really...
962
00:50:18,766 --> 00:50:21,265
(BOTH LAUGHING)
963
00:50:21,266 --> 00:50:22,565
Where did they
get this guy from?
964
00:50:22,566 --> 00:50:25,099
Afterwards.
Might have been
my first comment.
965
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:27,433
So, did you ever
figure out where
they got the guy from?
966
00:50:28,366 --> 00:50:30,099
I understood
that he was
967
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:35,265
part of the external
relations department
of the WTO.
968
00:50:35,266 --> 00:50:36,299
Right. That's what
they thought.
969
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:37,600
That's what
they thought as well too.
970
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,232
BOTH: But, as it happens...
971
00:50:41,233 --> 00:50:42,399
BONANNO: He wasn't.
972
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,532
BICHLBAUM: Yeah.
In fact...
973
00:50:43,533 --> 00:50:45,500
BICHLBAUM: Just take
one more close look.
974
00:50:47,266 --> 00:50:49,266
Oh, wait! Can we...
Is this reverse?
975
00:50:53,166 --> 00:50:55,066
No!
(BOTH LAUGHING)
976
00:50:58,266 --> 00:51:01,165
I wasn't going
to mention that.
The likeness.
977
00:51:01,166 --> 00:51:04,100
Are you serious?
BONANNO: You were being
very polite, weren't you?
978
00:51:05,166 --> 00:51:06,733
Yeah.
You did it as a spoof.
979
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,133
Yeah.
Yeah, basically.
980
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:13,565
Good. We weren't sure
how you'd...
981
00:51:13,566 --> 00:51:16,699
We were really hoping
you wouldn't be too
offended, really. Oh no!
982
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:18,199
Oh, hell no!
That's great!
983
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,432
(LAUGHING) That's really...
984
00:51:19,433 --> 00:51:20,599
I was wondering.
985
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,399
Cause I hadn't seen
that guy before
986
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,432
and I did know some of
the WTO external relations
987
00:51:25,433 --> 00:51:27,465
people and I was thinking,
988
00:51:27,466 --> 00:51:30,165
"My God!
They really put up
a ripe one this time."
989
00:51:30,166 --> 00:51:32,732
We wanted to talk
to Barry Coates as well
990
00:51:32,733 --> 00:51:37,199
because he has a lot
of statistics and
information about
991
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,732
globalization
that we thought
would be useful
992
00:51:38,733 --> 00:51:41,199
for the lecture
in Australia.
993
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,165
All of the WTO agreements,
bar one,
994
00:51:44,166 --> 00:51:47,199
are all about
restricting what
governments can do.
995
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,766
And so essentially
the whole trading system
is built on the premise
996
00:51:52,033 --> 00:51:57,332
that the companies
trading internationally,
investing internationally
997
00:51:57,333 --> 00:51:59,233
are going to be preyed upon
998
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:02,199
by nasty governments.
999
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,065
And really,
1000
00:52:04,066 --> 00:52:06,332
I mean, what we have
is an international system
1001
00:52:06,333 --> 00:52:07,465
that is entirely
the reverse.
1002
00:52:07,466 --> 00:52:10,265
What's got squeezed
out of the system
1003
00:52:10,266 --> 00:52:12,665
is democracy,
is development,
is environment,
1004
00:52:12,666 --> 00:52:16,232
is the kind
of human values
1005
00:52:16,233 --> 00:52:19,365
which really ought
to be the center of
what we're trying to do.
1006
00:52:19,366 --> 00:52:22,665
We don't kind
of live to trade.
Yeah.
1007
00:52:22,666 --> 00:52:26,232
You know, we live
to have decent lives.
1008
00:52:26,233 --> 00:52:28,365
And that ought
to be the goal
of our trade policy,
1009
00:52:28,366 --> 00:52:33,200
not maximizing trade
or getting rid of any
impediments to it.
1010
00:52:53,333 --> 00:52:54,665
(ELEVATOR DINGING)
1011
00:52:54,666 --> 00:52:56,300
Oh!
1012
00:52:57,366 --> 00:52:58,200
Okay.
1013
00:52:59,366 --> 00:53:00,766
That's good.
Got that.
1014
00:53:01,766 --> 00:53:03,200
Need to get the video.
1015
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,200
And we'll be off.
1016
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:09,300
Let's see.
1017
00:53:12,266 --> 00:53:15,399
Uh, one of the big reasons
why I'm up here is
1018
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,265
that we have
the Australia gig,
1019
00:53:17,266 --> 00:53:18,665
uh, for the Yes Men.
1020
00:53:18,666 --> 00:53:20,232
I did a animation
1021
00:53:20,233 --> 00:53:23,265
about, uh, you know
the recycling of
post-consumer waste
1022
00:53:23,266 --> 00:53:26,000
into, uh, hamburgers
and fast food.
1023
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,265
So, um...
1024
00:53:28,266 --> 00:53:29,733
BICHLBAUM: Here we go.
1025
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,132
LICHTY:
"The answer to the world's
sustainable food future
1026
00:53:32,133 --> 00:53:34,265
"is in recycling.
1027
00:53:34,266 --> 00:53:36,699
"And since over
half our nutrients
taken in are eliminated
1028
00:53:36,700 --> 00:53:38,366
"valuable resources
are at risk.
1029
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:40,399
"By using post-consumer waste
1030
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,299
"reBurger allows
essential nutrients
1031
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:43,565
"to be offered
to developing countries
1032
00:53:43,566 --> 00:53:45,299
"for greatly
reduced cost."
1033
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:48,000
Uh-huh. Oh! Okay.
1034
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,033
(ALL LAUGHING)
1035
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:54,565
Oh.
It gets, it gets better.
1036
00:53:54,566 --> 00:53:56,265
Oh!
Okay!
1037
00:53:56,266 --> 00:53:57,399
Wait!
What was that!
1038
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:58,265
Is that in outer space?
1039
00:53:58,266 --> 00:54:00,499
Yeah, I'm sorry!
1040
00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:03,366
(STAMMERING)
I think it does the job.
I think it does the job.
1041
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,299
BICHLBAUM: We're here
in New York because
1042
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:09,665
Herb Alpert,
1043
00:54:09,666 --> 00:54:13,065
um, of Herb Alpert
& the Tijuana Brass,
1044
00:54:13,066 --> 00:54:15,332
um, is, gave us this award.
1045
00:54:15,333 --> 00:54:16,699
Um, bunch of money
1046
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:19,766
to do what,
you know, the kind
of stuff that we do.
1047
00:54:20,033 --> 00:54:22,399
Um, so we had
to come here and
have dinner with him.
1048
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,299
And, and, you know,
get the money
1049
00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:26,599
and, and thank everybody
and it was very nice.
1050
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,599
And it's very surprising.
1051
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:29,765
But we're very pleased.
1052
00:54:29,766 --> 00:54:32,599
I think we can say
that we're very pleased.
1053
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,332
Yeah, it was a big
chunk of money.
1054
00:54:34,333 --> 00:54:36,765
It's gonna bank
roll a lot of
future activities
1055
00:54:36,766 --> 00:54:38,365
like going to Australia.
1056
00:54:38,366 --> 00:54:39,599
Oh, yeah.
Um...
1057
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,599
Yeah, so we got
this chunk of money
1058
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,065
but of course
now we're also using
this opportunity
1059
00:54:44,066 --> 00:54:45,766
and this hotel room
here in New York
1060
00:54:46,033 --> 00:54:47,065
to meet up with Matt,
1061
00:54:47,066 --> 00:54:48,632
who's been working
on the PowerPoint
1062
00:54:48,633 --> 00:54:50,465
presentation
for Australia.
1063
00:54:50,466 --> 00:54:53,065
And to meet up
with Patrick who's
been working on
1064
00:54:53,066 --> 00:54:55,332
animations for
Australia as well.
1065
00:54:55,333 --> 00:54:58,199
Fortunately we were
lucky too because, uh,
1066
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,365
Snafu was in town.
1067
00:54:59,366 --> 00:55:01,733
And he's sort of, uh,
a European Yes Man.
1068
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,365
Who's been sort of
circulating in the
European scene
1069
00:55:04,366 --> 00:55:07,099
doing Yes Man
type activities.
1070
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:10,132
But, uh, it's a good
thing he's here,
here in the States
1071
00:55:10,133 --> 00:55:11,633
so he can go
to Plattsburg with us.
1072
00:55:12,366 --> 00:55:13,499
"Yes, trade liberalization
1073
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:14,665
"is a religious undertaking.
1074
00:55:14,666 --> 00:55:16,765
"A project of faith,
a crusade of sorts
1075
00:55:16,766 --> 00:55:18,765
"and it has been
ever since its founders
1076
00:55:18,766 --> 00:55:22,499
"declared that financial
success comes from God
and that wealth is a sign
1077
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:24,065
"of divine favor.
1078
00:55:24,066 --> 00:55:28,099
"Now, why is starvation
a problem?
1079
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:29,599
"First, the facts.
As we all know,
1080
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,500
"investment and exports
has been on the rise..."
1081
00:55:34,333 --> 00:55:36,532
There's some bad news.
1082
00:55:36,533 --> 00:55:39,532
There's some really
bad news that came down
in the last two days.
1083
00:55:39,533 --> 00:55:43,132
Um, the conference
in Australia...
1084
00:55:43,133 --> 00:55:45,399
The people from
the conference
in Australia
1085
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,532
wrote an e-mail saying
that the conference
has been canceled
1086
00:55:48,533 --> 00:55:50,365
because of low enrollment.
1087
00:55:50,366 --> 00:55:52,365
In some ways
it's really kind of...
1088
00:55:52,366 --> 00:55:54,365
I guess, uh,
a nice thing
1089
00:55:54,366 --> 00:55:55,532
that there was
under-enrollment
1090
00:55:55,533 --> 00:55:57,399
because it was
really a hideous
conference.
1091
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,432
And it seemed like
a really dire thing that
1092
00:56:00,433 --> 00:56:02,665
people would actually
want to go to that thing.
1093
00:56:02,666 --> 00:56:05,399
And so, it's really
encouraging for humanity
1094
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,432
that the conference
actually has been canceled.
1095
00:56:07,433 --> 00:56:09,465
But at the same time
it's really, um,
1096
00:56:09,466 --> 00:56:11,365
made things
difficult for us.
1097
00:56:11,366 --> 00:56:14,733
And so I wrote back
to them as Hildegard West
and I asked them
1098
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,365
if they would please
set up another venue
1099
00:56:17,366 --> 00:56:21,432
because Kinnithrung Sprat
is already on route
to Australia.
1100
00:56:21,433 --> 00:56:25,399
So, right now,
I'm waiting to see
if they come back to us
1101
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,532
with a suggestion
that they'll actually
have a public presentation.
1102
00:56:28,533 --> 00:56:31,399
But since the conference
has been canceled
1103
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,699
now the event
in Plattsburg
is kind of like...
1104
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:36,399
It might be the only
venue we have
for this lecture.
1105
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,065
And so, it's really
important now
1106
00:56:38,066 --> 00:56:40,432
that we get the lecture
done and sort of together.
1107
00:56:40,433 --> 00:56:42,432
So, it's no longer
a dress rehearsal.
1108
00:56:42,433 --> 00:56:44,532
It's actually like
1109
00:56:44,533 --> 00:56:46,766
the final,
you know, production.
1110
00:56:48,633 --> 00:56:49,766
It's about time.
1111
00:56:50,033 --> 00:56:51,465
What?
I was so worried
about your shoes.
1112
00:56:51,466 --> 00:56:53,532
About what...
This guy
brought shoes.
1113
00:56:53,533 --> 00:56:55,265
He brought real
shoes for you. Look.
1114
00:56:55,266 --> 00:56:57,565
Do we have the
hamburgers yet?
1115
00:56:57,566 --> 00:56:58,766
Uh, we have to pick them up.
1116
00:56:59,033 --> 00:57:00,399
But, you, you mentioned...
They're ordered.
1117
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,465
They're ordered.
Yeah, Richard
ordered them.
1118
00:57:02,466 --> 00:57:04,565
BICHLBAUM: That's fantastic.
1119
00:57:04,566 --> 00:57:06,599
Basically there's this guy
named Richard Robbins
1120
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,499
who I met at a conference
about a month ago.
1121
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:14,599
And he has written
several books on sort of
global... Globalization.
1122
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,465
BICHLBAUM: He was interested
in having the WTO
1123
00:57:17,466 --> 00:57:20,199
come speak
at the Economics department.
1124
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,599
And only he really knows
that this isn't, um,
really the WTO.
1125
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,299
Everybody else
will think that
it's the WTO.
1126
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:28,599
But another good thing
is that it will be
a hungry audience.
1127
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,065
So there's a good chance
they are going to eat
those hamburgers.
1128
00:57:32,066 --> 00:57:34,565
Which we weren't sure
was actually gonna happen
1129
00:57:34,566 --> 00:57:36,466
with the accountants
in Australia.
1130
00:57:38,566 --> 00:57:40,065
You know,
I think for a,
1131
00:57:40,066 --> 00:57:42,499
for look,
I should probably
carry these in.
1132
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:43,633
Okay. Can you do it?
1133
00:57:44,633 --> 00:57:45,699
Yeah, I'm thinking
that, uh
1134
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:47,465
that you probably
shouldn't be associated
1135
00:57:47,466 --> 00:57:48,433
with the hamburgers.
Okay.
1136
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:51,732
BICHLBAUM: I'd like to thank
everybody for coming.
1137
00:57:51,733 --> 00:57:54,499
Um, you have many
education choices.
1138
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:57,632
And, uh, we're all
grateful at the WTO
1139
00:57:57,633 --> 00:58:00,465
that you have chosen
to listen to us for an hour.
1140
00:58:00,466 --> 00:58:04,332
And to our messages
about things that will
impact everyone.
1141
00:58:04,333 --> 00:58:05,765
I'd like to, to say that
1142
00:58:05,766 --> 00:58:08,332
by joining us here
you're essentially embarking
1143
00:58:08,333 --> 00:58:09,533
with us on a mission.
1144
00:58:10,633 --> 00:58:13,133
I'd like to start
right at the beginning.
1145
00:58:13,633 --> 00:58:15,265
As I was saying
1146
00:58:15,266 --> 00:58:17,632
trade liberalization
is a project of faith.
1147
00:58:17,633 --> 00:58:19,000
It's a crusade.
1148
00:58:19,766 --> 00:58:21,465
And in any crusade
there are problems.
1149
00:58:21,466 --> 00:58:24,132
There are invading armies,
there are big blockades.
1150
00:58:24,133 --> 00:58:28,499
And one of the, the problems
that we run into
1151
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:31,232
in this crusade is starvation
in the Third World.
1152
00:58:31,233 --> 00:58:33,665
You may recognize
that symbol from
those green bins you see.
1153
00:58:33,666 --> 00:58:36,499
You know, where cans,
bottles, blah-blah...
1154
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:38,365
The kind of recycling
I'm talking about
1155
00:58:38,366 --> 00:58:40,499
that we have
developed at the WTO
1156
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:45,499
is not, not really this,
this irrelevant kind
of recycling
1157
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:47,532
where the target
individual consumers
1158
00:58:47,533 --> 00:58:49,299
like you and me or
1159
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:52,165
of, uh, non-edible
industrial products
1160
00:58:52,166 --> 00:58:54,499
is such a tiny part
of the problem.
1161
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:55,665
Rather we're talking about
1162
00:58:55,666 --> 00:58:59,665
really recycling
what counts where it counts.
1163
00:58:59,666 --> 00:59:01,532
To begin to understand
the theory behind this
1164
00:59:01,533 --> 00:59:05,632
you must first realize
that the human body is
not really very efficient.
1165
00:59:05,633 --> 00:59:07,399
When ingesting heavy foods
1166
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,332
only about 20%
1167
00:59:09,333 --> 00:59:12,565
of the nutrients
are absorbed by the
elementary passageway,
1168
00:59:12,566 --> 00:59:17,665
while the other 80%
finds itself expelled in
post-consumer by-products.
1169
00:59:17,666 --> 00:59:19,665
Already 20 years ago,
NASA scientists
1170
00:59:19,666 --> 00:59:22,565
began to tap into
this nutritional goldmine
1171
00:59:22,566 --> 00:59:24,065
by developing filters
1172
00:59:24,066 --> 00:59:27,365
that could transform
their astronauts waste
into healthy,
1173
00:59:27,366 --> 00:59:30,265
hygienic and even
delicious food once again.
1174
00:59:30,266 --> 00:59:31,766
With the use
of this technology,
1175
00:59:32,033 --> 00:59:33,565
a single hamburger
for example
1176
00:59:33,566 --> 00:59:36,199
can be eaten more
than 10 times
1177
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,299
providing a cumulative total
1178
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:41,165
of three times
the nutritional value
1179
00:59:41,166 --> 00:59:43,565
of the original
fresh hamburger.
1180
00:59:43,566 --> 00:59:47,232
Now again,
a certain amount of cultural
openness is required,
1181
00:59:47,233 --> 00:59:50,332
um, as we
investigate solutions.
1182
00:59:50,333 --> 00:59:52,365
And I'd love
to take any, uh, questions.
1183
00:59:52,366 --> 00:59:53,599
Yes, you've been...
1184
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,232
Coming from
a Third World country
1185
00:59:55,233 --> 00:59:58,732
I found most
of what you said
pretty offensive.
1186
00:59:58,733 --> 01:00:02,065
It's as if, uh...
Everyone is equal
1187
01:00:02,066 --> 01:00:04,065
but some are
more equal than others?
1188
01:00:04,066 --> 01:00:05,599
And, uh...
1189
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,332
Who is to say
whether people in the
third world want a burger?
1190
01:00:09,333 --> 01:00:13,232
You know, I, in my heart
sometimes find it,
to agree that...
1191
01:00:13,233 --> 01:00:16,332
That cultures deserve
equal consideration
1192
01:00:16,333 --> 01:00:18,065
perhaps to develop
on their own terms
1193
01:00:18,066 --> 01:00:20,065
but, you know,
we're different.
1194
01:00:20,066 --> 01:00:22,332
We're culturally different.
We're rich, they're poor.
1195
01:00:22,333 --> 01:00:24,699
This is the
most humane solution
we can come up with
1196
01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:26,732
that stays within
the market logic.
1197
01:00:26,733 --> 01:00:29,365
BONANNO: If it's
all right, I could answer
a portion of that,
1198
01:00:29,366 --> 01:00:30,733
of that question as well.
1199
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,732
And this answers the question
about desire for the product
1200
01:00:34,733 --> 01:00:38,099
because, the biggest
growth areas are
the developing world.
1201
01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:42,165
And so, uh, in fact
people do want the product.
1202
01:00:42,166 --> 01:00:45,599
We do have a kind of
video presentation
about this that I...
1203
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,332
I came prepared
to show. It's not...
1204
01:00:48,333 --> 01:00:51,633
The program isn't actually
completely ready yet.
1205
01:00:54,366 --> 01:00:57,232
BONANNO: So, as you can
see here there's a consumer
1206
01:00:57,233 --> 01:01:01,765
uh, in the first world
entering McDonalds
and, uh...
1207
01:01:01,766 --> 01:01:03,333
Consuming a hamburger.
1208
01:01:05,233 --> 01:01:09,599
And afterward,
this is a process
we're all familiar with.
1209
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,200
I don't need to
explain it to anyone.
1210
01:01:13,166 --> 01:01:14,566
(AUDIENCE CHUCKLES)
BONANNO: But...
1211
01:01:16,133 --> 01:01:19,332
You see, it's rendered out
in this style because, uh,
1212
01:01:19,333 --> 01:01:23,399
studies have shown that
consumers are most responsive
1213
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:28,765
to 3D animation right now
particularly in
developing cultures.
1214
01:01:28,766 --> 01:01:30,265
(CLEARING THROAT)
So, as you can see
it goes through
1215
01:01:30,266 --> 01:01:32,132
a piping system,
a kind of...
1216
01:01:32,133 --> 01:01:34,632
And this isn't unusual,
we do this for oil.
1217
01:01:34,633 --> 01:01:36,632
We could do this
for food as well.
1218
01:01:36,633 --> 01:01:40,733
And as you can see
it goes back up through
the plumbing
1219
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,132
and emerges in a McDonalds.
1220
01:01:44,133 --> 01:01:47,665
Now the part of this video
that isn't completed yet
is the filtering process.
1221
01:01:47,666 --> 01:01:50,665
There will be a...
A very well rendered
1222
01:01:50,666 --> 01:01:53,700
uh, filtering...
(AUDIENCE GROANS)
1223
01:01:56,033 --> 01:01:57,600
(AUDIENCE CHUCKLES)
(CLAPPING)
1224
01:02:02,700 --> 01:02:04,699
BONANNO: And, uh,
as you can see,
1225
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:07,165
this might answer somebody's
question from before
1226
01:02:07,166 --> 01:02:09,766
but at the McDonalds
in a developing country,
1227
01:02:10,033 --> 01:02:11,432
and in fact
in this country as well,
1228
01:02:11,433 --> 01:02:13,299
you'd be able to choose...
1229
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:15,699
The number one,
number two, number three,
number four, number five
1230
01:02:15,700 --> 01:02:18,299
would no longer refer to
combinations of food.
1231
01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:22,532
But rather, uh, just
the number of times
a product had been recycled.
1232
01:02:22,533 --> 01:02:24,199
(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)
1233
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,699
We were lucky
to partner with the
World Trade Organization
1234
01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:29,732
which, uh, you know,
has slightly different goals.
1235
01:02:29,733 --> 01:02:32,665
Of course, McDonalds' goals
are to profit and grow
1236
01:02:32,666 --> 01:02:34,699
and, uh, we hope
that we can provide
1237
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:37,165
a nutritious and tasty
product in the process.
1238
01:02:37,166 --> 01:02:41,432
Our goals are to help
McDonalds profit and grow
and all other corporations.
1239
01:02:41,433 --> 01:02:44,766
I think you guys,
like the WTO
1240
01:02:45,033 --> 01:02:48,733
is kind of lacking
kind of like a human element.
You know, like...
1241
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:51,199
If you saw...
1242
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,199
Have you ever seen
starving people?
1243
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,233
Uh, in pictures, yes.
(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)
1244
01:02:57,333 --> 01:02:59,766
So tell me,
if you saw somebody
starving to death
1245
01:03:00,033 --> 01:03:03,065
you would probably think
a lot, you know, like...
1246
01:03:03,066 --> 01:03:07,699
That would kind of hit you
in a sensitive, you know,
place to say, like...
1247
01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:11,065
Oh, well, you know,
maybe markets and money
1248
01:03:11,066 --> 01:03:12,699
and this and that
don't really mean as much.
1249
01:03:12,700 --> 01:03:16,065
And actually, like,
feeding people means
a little bit more.
1250
01:03:16,066 --> 01:03:19,099
Yeah, well, it is true
that there is a personal
side of it that, um...
1251
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:22,365
I have to say,
in the WTO there are
questions that we...
1252
01:03:22,366 --> 01:03:24,765
We have about this
as human beings.
1253
01:03:24,766 --> 01:03:29,499
But we're not as subject...
We have a kind of
firmer grasp on theory.
1254
01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:32,765
We are able, um,
fortunately,
1255
01:03:32,766 --> 01:03:36,099
to simply direct
world trade in a
much more theoretical way.
1256
01:03:36,100 --> 01:03:40,099
Um, in collaboration
with our colleagues
at the largest corporations.
1257
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:43,099
So, uh, you know?
1258
01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:45,733
Yes, probably if I went
to these countries
1259
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,099
I'd be... I'd feel, um...
1260
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:51,732
I'd think about things
a little differently perhaps.
1261
01:03:51,733 --> 01:03:55,399
But, um, at the same time
I don't think I would
forget all my schooling.
1262
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,432
I don't think
I would forget you know,
all these theories, and so on.
1263
01:03:58,433 --> 01:04:01,733
So, um, perhaps
one day I'll do that.
1264
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,765
This is a money maker.
Correct?
1265
01:04:03,766 --> 01:04:07,765
Yes. Well,
it's a money maker,
starvation solver. Sure.
1266
01:04:07,766 --> 01:04:09,232
And how much does
McDonalds pay you
1267
01:04:09,233 --> 01:04:11,399
to come here
and speak this garbage?
1268
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,099
Like this is a mouse
with an ear growing
out of its back.
1269
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:18,132
How are you going to
get around cultural
and legal implications?
1270
01:04:18,133 --> 01:04:21,000
Cannibalism.
They're basically asking
us to recycle shit.
1271
01:04:31,766 --> 01:04:33,466
(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)
1272
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,765
The reality is
that we already
1273
01:04:51,766 --> 01:04:54,766
treat, um, people
in the third world
far worse than
1274
01:04:55,033 --> 01:04:56,299
we treat
our domestic animals.
1275
01:04:56,300 --> 01:04:58,733
That's, that's...
It's not saying
it's right.
1276
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,132
It's just saying
that's the reality.
1277
01:05:01,133 --> 01:05:02,366
(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)
1278
01:05:09,166 --> 01:05:12,132
(CLEARING THROAT) Well,
after thinking about it
for a little while
1279
01:05:12,133 --> 01:05:15,132
it seems the Plattsburgh
lecture just went great!
1280
01:05:15,133 --> 01:05:17,132
And it went
exactly the way
1281
01:05:17,133 --> 01:05:19,432
we originally expected
these lectures to work.
Yeah.
1282
01:05:19,433 --> 01:05:22,199
Which was that, at
a certain point it's like
light bulbs going off
1283
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,632
in the heads of
the different people
in the audience.
1284
01:05:24,633 --> 01:05:28,499
And they're
realizing that it was
just too crazy to be real
1285
01:05:28,500 --> 01:05:31,499
and yet sort of it was based
on reality and so...
1286
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:34,065
BONANNO: You know,
they started throwing
globes at us.
1287
01:05:34,066 --> 01:05:36,132
They got angry,
they got frustrated.
1288
01:05:36,133 --> 01:05:39,000
It worked.
Exactly like we
thought it would.
1289
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:43,732
They don't ask you
if you believe in it.
1290
01:05:43,733 --> 01:05:46,766
You don't get to vote
on the World Trade
Organization treaties.
1291
01:05:47,033 --> 01:05:48,199
They don't let you
vote on it.
1292
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:49,732
They don't give you
a say in it.
1293
01:05:49,733 --> 01:05:53,065
They let you listen
to the one sided
propaganda.
1294
01:05:53,066 --> 01:05:54,732
Name me a single
columnist in America
1295
01:05:54,733 --> 01:05:58,632
who doesn't stand up
and cheer under the banner
of so called free trade.
1296
01:05:58,633 --> 01:06:00,332
There's no public discussion.
1297
01:06:00,333 --> 01:06:03,766
There's no dissent
in any of the parties.
Political parties.
1298
01:06:04,033 --> 01:06:07,365
There's no debate,
there's no discussion.
There's no vote.
1299
01:06:07,366 --> 01:06:09,399
In fact, the only nation
1300
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,365
which has called
for a vote is Brazil.
1301
01:06:12,366 --> 01:06:15,232
And, already...
Which is saying
1302
01:06:15,233 --> 01:06:17,065
that it will not sign
any more trade treaties
1303
01:06:17,066 --> 01:06:19,365
without a plebiscite
of its people.
1304
01:06:19,366 --> 01:06:23,065
And the world trade barons
are losing their damn minds
1305
01:06:23,066 --> 01:06:26,232
trying to prevent
this type of democracy
1306
01:06:26,233 --> 01:06:28,099
from spreading
planet wide.
1307
01:06:28,100 --> 01:06:30,199
Because once
people know what
this stuff is about
1308
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:31,665
and get to vote on it,
1309
01:06:31,666 --> 01:06:34,200
no-one's going to vote
themselves into poverty.
1310
01:06:38,366 --> 01:06:41,066
BONANNO: Here we go.
Australia country code.
1311
01:06:41,366 --> 01:06:42,566
Oops.
1312
01:06:44,066 --> 01:06:47,000
BONANNO: Oh, Australia. 61.
It's 61.
Sixty one.
1313
01:06:48,566 --> 01:06:50,166
(DIAL TONE)
1314
01:06:52,233 --> 01:06:56,132
Hi, this is
Kinnithrung Sprat
from the WTO.
1315
01:06:56,133 --> 01:06:57,265
WOMAN: Hello, how are you?
1316
01:06:57,266 --> 01:06:59,199
Good, thanks.
How are you?
1317
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,099
Where are you now?
I'm in New York
at the moment.
1318
01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:04,265
New York, are you?
Yeah.
1319
01:07:04,266 --> 01:07:07,132
Kinninthrung Sprat,
just called a person
1320
01:07:07,133 --> 01:07:10,132
who's coordinating
Sprat's visit.
1321
01:07:10,133 --> 01:07:14,232
I'm due in Hong Kong
the week after, um, this.
1322
01:07:14,233 --> 01:07:16,065
And that date is firm
1323
01:07:16,066 --> 01:07:18,532
but my travel
to Australia
is as yet, um,
1324
01:07:18,533 --> 01:07:20,165
not, not firm.
1325
01:07:20,166 --> 01:07:22,099
Yeah.
She's actually,
it turns out
1326
01:07:22,100 --> 01:07:23,665
been e-mailing
all these people
1327
01:07:23,666 --> 01:07:26,432
and basically
calling journalists
1328
01:07:26,433 --> 01:07:28,699
and getting people
to attend his lecture.
1329
01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:30,465
And she fully
expects him to attend
1330
01:07:30,466 --> 01:07:32,565
because she had
spoken to Hildegard West,
1331
01:07:32,566 --> 01:07:34,265
uh, Sprat's assistant
1332
01:07:34,266 --> 01:07:37,265
and Hildegard West
had told her that
everything was on
1333
01:07:37,266 --> 01:07:39,165
and Sprat
was definitely going.
1334
01:07:39,166 --> 01:07:41,766
So now we just decided
we really have to go
1335
01:07:42,033 --> 01:07:45,132
to honor this arrangement
with, uh, Australia.
1336
01:07:45,133 --> 01:07:48,099
BONANNO: So, it's back on now.
After we totally thought
it was off.
1337
01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:50,265
And instead
of giving this lecture
1338
01:07:50,266 --> 01:07:52,565
that we've been planning
for like nine months,
1339
01:07:52,566 --> 01:07:54,632
we're gonna like,
you know,
1340
01:07:54,633 --> 01:07:57,100
disband the WTO.
(BOTH CHUCKLING)
1341
01:07:59,133 --> 01:08:02,265
BONANNO: Shouldn't we get you
a pair of shoes that
actually are reasonable?
1342
01:08:02,266 --> 01:08:04,132
I mean, they just don't
look like dress shoes.
1343
01:08:04,133 --> 01:08:05,733
They look like
wrestling shoes.
1344
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,432
All right.
There are no shoes
here for you.
1345
01:08:07,433 --> 01:08:09,599
BONANNO: Never mind.
No. Shoes are out.
1346
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,165
BONANNO: I like that tie.
1347
01:08:11,166 --> 01:08:13,166
Uh-huh.
Around...
1348
01:08:15,633 --> 01:08:17,166
Oh, wait.
Did you try this?
1349
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,200
Yeah.
1350
01:08:22,166 --> 01:08:24,232
I did a set of these
with an ink-jet
1351
01:08:24,233 --> 01:08:25,632
and they just don't
look as real.
1352
01:08:25,633 --> 01:08:28,232
Ah!
Something about them.
They look, um...
1353
01:08:28,233 --> 01:08:30,100
Kind of hand made.
BICHLBAUM: These look perfect.
1354
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,299
I printed off some
letterhead for you.
1355
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:34,465
BICHLBAUM: Nice.
I guess you guys
already saw that.
1356
01:08:34,466 --> 01:08:36,232
Yeah.
And I just kept it
real simple.
1357
01:08:36,233 --> 01:08:40,332
That's perfect.
So that it would
show up well on the fax.
1358
01:08:40,333 --> 01:08:42,732
BONANNO: That is
the most ridiculous photo.
1359
01:08:42,733 --> 01:08:45,632
(CHUCKLING) It's like
something really weird
about this public...
1360
01:08:45,633 --> 01:08:47,766
Public relations guy.
Wow! I love that.
1361
01:08:48,033 --> 01:08:50,199
A little magnetic strip
on the back.
1362
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,199
BONANNO: Wow!
BICHLBAUM: Really beautiful.
1363
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,499
You know what I did?
I went to, uh,
I went to Google.
1364
01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:58,065
(CHUCKLING) Uh-huh.
And I went to Google
image search
1365
01:08:58,066 --> 01:09:01,299
and I typed in
ID card.
1366
01:09:01,300 --> 01:09:03,365
And you wouldn't believe
the numbers of ID...
1367
01:09:03,366 --> 01:09:06,332
Pictures of ID cards
that show up on the web.
Wow.
1368
01:09:06,333 --> 01:09:09,065
And I just went through
and took a little bit
from each one.
1369
01:09:09,066 --> 01:09:10,465
You know, it said...
1370
01:09:10,466 --> 01:09:12,499
This one's got like
a little bar code
at the bottom.
1371
01:09:12,500 --> 01:09:15,365
And this one uses
the logo over here.
1372
01:09:15,366 --> 01:09:16,766
BICHLBAUM: That is so nice.
1373
01:09:25,533 --> 01:09:27,200
(TALKING INDISTINCTLY)
1374
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,532
No, I don't know.
I'm just really nervous
'cause, um...
1375
01:09:57,533 --> 01:10:00,665
I don't know, this feels
different from all the other
things that we've done.
1376
01:10:00,666 --> 01:10:05,366
It's not like the
same kind of play,
fun, crazy, weird,
1377
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:07,399
impossible stuff.
1378
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,299
This is like,
sincere, you know?
1379
01:10:09,300 --> 01:10:12,099
It's about like
replacing the WTO
with something better.
1380
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:14,365
Do you think
that satire is more fun?
1381
01:10:14,366 --> 01:10:16,065
BICHLBAUM: Yeah, definitely.
1382
01:10:16,066 --> 01:10:18,432
I got this feeling
that it's less...
For some reason, um...
1383
01:10:18,433 --> 01:10:21,132
Maybe it's less fun
to be sincere.
1384
01:10:21,133 --> 01:10:23,399
But it is less fun,
isn't it?
1385
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:24,699
In a way, yeah.
1386
01:10:24,700 --> 01:10:28,233
Maybe it's more fun
to be satirical than...
1387
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,266
Serious.
1388
01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:32,300
BICHLBAUM: Yeah.
1389
01:10:36,433 --> 01:10:38,432
BONANNO: It's about
9:00 in the morning.
1390
01:10:38,433 --> 01:10:41,299
And this is the big day
for Kinnithrung Sprat
1391
01:10:41,300 --> 01:10:43,299
to go talk to
CPA Australia
1392
01:10:43,300 --> 01:10:45,565
and close down the WTO.
1393
01:10:45,566 --> 01:10:48,265
It's kind of an
exciting day for us.
1394
01:10:48,266 --> 01:10:50,633
You know, we finally
get to shut it down.
1395
01:10:52,300 --> 01:10:53,733
(WHIRRING)
1396
01:11:05,066 --> 01:11:07,766
BONANNO: I'm writing
a local phone number
for this cell phone
1397
01:11:08,033 --> 01:11:10,265
on the business card
so...
1398
01:11:10,266 --> 01:11:12,332
We give these to journalists
or anybody else
1399
01:11:12,333 --> 01:11:15,565
who wants to contact
Mr. Sprat, they'll be
able to do it
1400
01:11:15,566 --> 01:11:17,266
in the next
couple of days.
1401
01:11:19,733 --> 01:11:23,432
We have to leave in about
10 minutes though.
I know.
1402
01:11:23,433 --> 01:11:26,033
BICHLBAUM: I'm just gonna do
as little as possible.
1403
01:11:29,466 --> 01:11:31,299
Okay, let's just
go by there.
1404
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:32,532
We have
some time yet.
Yeah.
1405
01:11:32,533 --> 01:11:35,299
Let's just keep walking.
Just walk straight.
1406
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:36,499
Don't look.
BONANNO: Don't look.
1407
01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:38,365
Don't turn left.
1408
01:11:38,366 --> 01:11:40,633
Don't...
Okay, no.
Oh...
1409
01:11:41,333 --> 01:11:42,499
Don't do that.
(BEEPING)
1410
01:11:42,500 --> 01:11:44,365
Uh-oh.
1411
01:11:44,366 --> 01:11:45,300
(CHUCKLING)
Answer it.
1412
01:11:46,500 --> 01:11:48,366
Hello.
Michael Bonanno here.
1413
01:11:51,500 --> 01:11:52,733
Hi, Jane. How are you?
1414
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,599
All right then.
I guess we'll see you
in just a few minutes.
1415
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,400
And we just come up
to level three then?
1416
01:12:01,066 --> 01:12:02,365
Great, thank you very much.
1417
01:12:02,366 --> 01:12:03,733
All right.
Bye bye.
1418
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,333
(BOTH CHUCKLING)
1419
01:12:09,633 --> 01:12:11,499
BONANNO: Oh wait, shit!
This is the building.
1420
01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:13,499
MAN: Thank you
for coming.
Oh, thank you for having us.
1421
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:17,099
MAN: Sorry for the
confusion and problems
and everything else.
1422
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:19,733
Oh. It's to be
expected these days,
I think.
1423
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,399
Um, no thanks for
going out of your way
to arrange this.
1424
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:24,400
This is really terrific.
1425
01:12:24,633 --> 01:12:26,366
(CLAPPING)
1426
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:31,766
Um, thank you all
for coming.
1427
01:12:32,033 --> 01:12:34,365
I'd like to, um...
1428
01:12:34,366 --> 01:12:36,332
BICHLBAUM: Like to thank
the organizers for
1429
01:12:36,333 --> 01:12:39,532
going out of their way
to create this panel,
1430
01:12:39,533 --> 01:12:42,065
this luncheon, um...
(CELL PHONE BEEPS)
1431
01:12:42,066 --> 01:12:44,132
In the face of some odds.
1432
01:12:44,133 --> 01:12:46,766
The conference having been
canceled of course.
1433
01:12:47,033 --> 01:12:49,532
(CLEARS THROAT) And I'd
especially like to begin
1434
01:12:49,533 --> 01:12:53,665
by apologizing for
a rather sudden
change in the program.
1435
01:12:53,666 --> 01:12:56,499
Uh, consequent upon
a rather dramatic
1436
01:12:56,500 --> 01:12:59,599
development in Geneva, yesterday.
1437
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:04,165
I originally intended
to transmit today
an upbeat report on
1438
01:13:04,166 --> 01:13:08,399
some new technologies
that affect agro business
in a global sense.
1439
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,699
Instead, I find myself
the messenger
1440
01:13:10,700 --> 01:13:12,532
of some rather
disturbing news.
1441
01:13:12,533 --> 01:13:16,465
Um, the WTO will be
issuing a public statement
1442
01:13:16,466 --> 01:13:18,565
in detail by the end
of the week.
1443
01:13:18,566 --> 01:13:20,399
But the die has been cast.
1444
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,132
As of September 2002,
1445
01:13:23,133 --> 01:13:25,699
having seen the effects
of policies
1446
01:13:25,700 --> 01:13:29,565
whose only intent
was to bring greater
prosperity and peace,
1447
01:13:29,566 --> 01:13:32,432
the World Trade Organization
in its present form
1448
01:13:32,433 --> 01:13:34,433
will cease to exist.
1449
01:13:35,433 --> 01:13:37,699
Over the next two years
we at the WTO
1450
01:13:37,700 --> 01:13:41,565
will endeavor to refound
our organization
along different lines.
1451
01:13:41,566 --> 01:13:46,465
Based in a different
understanding of the
purposes of world trade.
1452
01:13:46,466 --> 01:13:49,765
The new organization will have
as its foundation and basis
1453
01:13:49,766 --> 01:13:53,732
the United Nations, uh,
universal declaration
of human rights.
1454
01:13:53,733 --> 01:13:58,465
Upon which we feel, uh,
we can make a good foundation
1455
01:13:58,466 --> 01:14:01,065
to ensuring that the
organization will have human
1456
01:14:01,066 --> 01:14:03,465
rather than business interests
as its bottom line.
1457
01:14:03,466 --> 01:14:05,765
My reaction was one
of total surprise.
1458
01:14:05,766 --> 01:14:08,232
We were expecting
a speech more based on
1459
01:14:08,233 --> 01:14:09,766
what the World Trade
Organization does
1460
01:14:10,033 --> 01:14:11,599
in its relation
to Australian trade.
1461
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,232
It sort of blew me
out of the water
1462
01:14:13,233 --> 01:14:14,766
when the, uh,
the announcement
was made that
1463
01:14:15,033 --> 01:14:18,699
the World Trade Organization
is significantly
reinventing itself
1464
01:14:18,700 --> 01:14:21,532
to focus on issues
relating to
1465
01:14:21,533 --> 01:14:24,465
um, people
as opposed to economics.
1466
01:14:24,466 --> 01:14:26,099
Something that hopefully
1467
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:28,165
could be
of significant benefit
1468
01:14:28,166 --> 01:14:31,765
to, uh, the poor and needy
throughout the world in all
the developing countries.
1469
01:14:31,766 --> 01:14:34,499
The UN estimates that
poor countries...
1470
01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:36,632
The poorest countries
in the world lose
1471
01:14:36,633 --> 01:14:39,465
approximately two billion
dollars a day
1472
01:14:39,466 --> 01:14:41,465
because of unjust trade rules
1473
01:14:41,466 --> 01:14:45,099
many of them instituted
by our own organization.
1474
01:14:45,100 --> 01:14:47,499
And this is 14 times
the amount
1475
01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:50,765
that they receive in aid
from developed countries.
1476
01:14:50,766 --> 01:14:54,099
I thought the speech itself
was, um, was compelling
1477
01:14:54,100 --> 01:14:56,099
in terms of its information.
1478
01:14:56,100 --> 01:14:58,232
It was... I was astounded
to find
1479
01:14:58,233 --> 01:15:01,499
that they're actually
going to dismantle
the WTO.
1480
01:15:01,500 --> 01:15:03,765
I was also amazed
to see that, um,
1481
01:15:03,766 --> 01:15:06,232
there was admission that
perhaps it had failed.
1482
01:15:06,233 --> 01:15:09,665
Um, it's going to have
a huge effect on
international business.
1483
01:15:09,666 --> 01:15:12,665
And particularly for us
as an organization, I feel.
1484
01:15:12,666 --> 01:15:14,766
Um, the hardest thing
I find will be
1485
01:15:15,033 --> 01:15:19,532
the, um, the balance that,
let's say the U.S.
EU and Japan
1486
01:15:19,533 --> 01:15:23,532
in terms of being
major components
of the world economy.
1487
01:15:23,533 --> 01:15:25,499
The effect, you know,
will they really change
1488
01:15:25,500 --> 01:15:27,365
in terms of this
new organization?
1489
01:15:27,366 --> 01:15:29,765
And will there actually be
genuine change?
1490
01:15:29,766 --> 01:15:33,499
And perhaps a benefit
you know, to the world's
poorest countries.
1491
01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:36,499
I must admit
I'm a cynic with regards
to that occurring.
1492
01:15:36,500 --> 01:15:39,665
Liberalization.
The process of liberalization,
1493
01:15:39,666 --> 01:15:42,532
often enables the knowledge
of the poor to be converted
1494
01:15:42,533 --> 01:15:46,665
into the property of
global corporations.
1495
01:15:46,666 --> 01:15:49,399
BICHLBAUM: Specific statistics
are rather shocking.
1496
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,165
Out of 26,000 patents
1497
01:15:53,166 --> 01:15:58,065
um, applied for in Africa
in 2000 and 2001,
1498
01:15:58,066 --> 01:16:01,766
only 31 were from
residents of Africa.
1499
01:16:02,033 --> 01:16:04,699
The rest were from residents
of first world countries.
1500
01:16:04,700 --> 01:16:08,699
Thirty one out of 26,000
patent applications.
1501
01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:10,565
Uh, it wasn't what
I was expecting.
1502
01:16:10,566 --> 01:16:12,532
(CHUCKLING) I was
expecting something on
agro business
1503
01:16:12,533 --> 01:16:15,665
and what the
World Trade Organization does.
1504
01:16:15,666 --> 01:16:18,699
But I have to say I believe
it's fairly positive.
1505
01:16:18,700 --> 01:16:22,766
Um, because I think
that, uh, this,
as the gentleman said,
1506
01:16:23,033 --> 01:16:26,232
"The strong are getting
stronger and the weak
are getting weaker."
1507
01:16:26,233 --> 01:16:28,199
And you can't let that
keep on going.
1508
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,232
And even we know
to sit here in Australia
where some of
1509
01:16:31,233 --> 01:16:33,699
the trade arrangements
that are made.
1510
01:16:33,700 --> 01:16:35,766
If you're powerful,
you can get whatever you like
1511
01:16:36,033 --> 01:16:38,432
and if you're not, you can't.
And it's just...
1512
01:16:38,433 --> 01:16:41,565
The world with
the population we've got
can't keep going that way.
1513
01:16:41,566 --> 01:16:44,565
So I think it was
fairly positive and I think
it's a very brave decision
1514
01:16:44,566 --> 01:16:47,599
by an organization to admit
that they've been going
down the wrong track
1515
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,599
and dissolve themselves
and start to look
for something different.
1516
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,232
I think it's,
it's fantastic. Yeah.
1517
01:16:53,233 --> 01:16:55,765
Disparity is growing
between the rich and poor.
1518
01:16:55,766 --> 01:16:58,332
The richest fifth have 80%
of the world's income
1519
01:16:58,333 --> 01:17:00,465
and the poorest fifth
have one percent.
1520
01:17:00,466 --> 01:17:03,665
Um, this gap...
We all know this figure
1521
01:17:03,666 --> 01:17:08,699
but we don't always remember
that this gap has actually
doubled since 1960.
1522
01:17:08,700 --> 01:17:11,699
More and more thinkers
are therefore noting
1523
01:17:11,700 --> 01:17:13,765
uh, that there
is no evidence that
1524
01:17:13,766 --> 01:17:17,132
liberalization favors growth
or benefits the poor.
1525
01:17:17,133 --> 01:17:20,099
I think we are all
generally aware
of increases in poverty
1526
01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:23,099
and low living standards
and issues faced by
developing countries.
1527
01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:25,632
And what Mr. Sprat
I think had to say today,
1528
01:17:25,633 --> 01:17:27,632
really gives out
a terrific sign of hope
1529
01:17:27,633 --> 01:17:30,699
for what I think we all
aspire to.
1530
01:17:30,700 --> 01:17:34,666
And as a global economy
that benefits all people.
1531
01:17:43,766 --> 01:17:46,465
JOHN DUNCAN:
Now, after protected,
protracted and detailed review
1532
01:17:46,466 --> 01:17:49,599
of current trade policy,
the World Trade Organization
1533
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,665
has decided to effect
a cessation of all operations
1534
01:17:53,666 --> 01:17:56,265
to be accomplished
over the next four months
1535
01:17:56,266 --> 01:18:01,665
culminating by the end
of September. The World...
1536
01:18:01,666 --> 01:18:04,399
BICHLBAUM: Well, I think that
the Yes Men have kind of
played out their course
1537
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,632
in relation to
the World Trade Organization
for the moment.
1538
01:18:07,633 --> 01:18:10,665
You never know when we
might get another invitation.
1539
01:18:10,666 --> 01:18:15,632
We're lucky to be able
to provide a sort of sense
of closure by ending the WTO.
1540
01:18:15,633 --> 01:18:19,132
We also hope that other people
will just start doing
the same things
1541
01:18:19,133 --> 01:18:21,265
in all kinds
of different contexts.
1542
01:18:21,266 --> 01:18:26,765
You know, impersonating
whoever holds power,
that needs to be criticized.
1543
01:18:26,766 --> 01:18:29,099
So if the opportunity arises,
1544
01:18:29,100 --> 01:18:32,265
we're just going to
keep doing it.
We're going to go
1545
01:18:32,266 --> 01:18:36,399
and be the Yes Men again.
Or I should say be the WTO
again in another event.
1546
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,265
The future is bright
for the Yes Men.
1547
01:18:39,266 --> 01:18:43,200
The future of the world
is a different story.
1548
01:19:18,333 --> 01:19:21,065
BONANNO: You know,
this isn't, this isn't
the way he usually dresses.
1549
01:19:21,066 --> 01:19:23,232
He works for
the World Trade Organization.
1550
01:19:23,233 --> 01:19:25,199
You know, the WTO?
Yes.
1551
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,732
He works see...
We're at a conference
1552
01:19:27,733 --> 01:19:32,065
and he's demonstrating
a new kind of technology.
1553
01:19:32,066 --> 01:19:34,432
Uh, this is um...
Well, it's a device to
1554
01:19:34,433 --> 01:19:38,766
measure employee working
in less developed countries.
1555
01:19:39,033 --> 01:19:41,665
There's a thing here, where...
1556
01:19:41,666 --> 01:19:43,199
(THUDS)
1557
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,332
(CHUCKLING)
On this screen.
I can see the...
1558
01:19:46,333 --> 01:19:49,732
BONANNO: So, he watches...
He watches people
working there.
1559
01:19:49,733 --> 01:19:53,365
And they have
little devices that
give them shocks.
1560
01:19:53,366 --> 01:19:55,565
Uh, it's just regular fabric.
1561
01:19:55,566 --> 01:19:58,499
In the future, it'll be
sensitive, smart fabric.
1562
01:19:58,500 --> 01:20:01,599
It's a little hot.
(ALL LAUGHING)
1563
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,233
That one looks better.
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