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Cannabis...
It's merely a plant, a wild weed...
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but it produces a range of effects
that is unmatched.
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but it produces a range of effects
that is unmatched.
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For some, it's a blissful release...
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It is nice.
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It is so nice. It is nicer than nice.
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It is... I don't know if I
can say this on camera, but
it's almost as nice as sex.
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While for others, it's something
that seems to have unravelled their
minds and emptied their lives.
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I'm an addict and
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I loathe myself, I really do.
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I'm ruled by it, I'm ruled.
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And I don't think it'll ever stop
until I'm dead.
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I hear the voice
of a girl I used to know.
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Sometimes she's told me to
commit suicide and things, but
I tend to just ignore it.
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In this film, I want to get to the
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bottom of this conflict by asking
the most basic questions
about cannabis.
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Can it really cause schizophrenia?
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The vulnerable group are
children under 15
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receiving high doses or
concentrations of THC repeatedly.
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Can it lead you to
take harder drugs?
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You don't have enduring
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biological changes that occur
because of the cannabis exposure.
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Or,
could cannabis even be good for you?
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With all the publicity around
the link with cannabis smoking
and the potential of increasing
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the risk of psychosis, here we
have a component of the plant
which itself is anti-psychotic.
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The science is so often
obscured by opinion
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but what
does the latest research reveal
about the world's favourite drug?
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In my job as a psychologist,
I deal with addiction.
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I work with people with heroin
and crack cocaine dependence.
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But with heroin and crack cocaine..
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I regularly see people
brought to their knees, lives
ruined, even deaths.
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But by comparison,
for cannabis, it seems to me the
effects are like a walk in the park.
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And yet this is the one drug
that's rarely out of the public eye,
and shrouded in controversy.
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And that's because more people
use cannabis than all other
illicit drugs put together.
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According to a United Nations
report,
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almost one in 20 adults across
the globe uses it each year.
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Of the people
watching this programme,
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one in three will have tried it,
and thousands will be smoking it
now.
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I've tried cannabis.
I've smoked it a few times.
And yes, I've inhaled.
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Did I like it? Not really.
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I was giggly, and having said
that, though,
I felt a bit uneasy and
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a bit behind the conversation,
a bit thick, to be honest.
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And it wasn't really for me.
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But I can see the attraction, I
can see that feeling out of control,
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relaxed and enjoying
the flow of a conversation
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would be, for many people,
a good thing to do.
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But I want to know why one simple
weed has such a profound impact
on all our lives.
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The story of the cannabis plant
begins 50 million years ago,
in an unexpected place.
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This is Kazakhstan.
I'm hoping to find out
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why this psychoactive plant might
have evolved here, of all places.
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Professor Kanat Sarsenbaev
is Kazakhstan's national
cannabis expert.
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He takes me to the nearby
mountains to explain.
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So here we are
in the Tian Shan mountains.
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Is this the origin of cannabis?
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I think so,
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because cannabis evolved in this
place many million years ago,
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After evolving, it distributed
through the Tian Shan chain
to China.
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After this, to all the world.
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The Tian Shan mountain
chain stretches 2,500km,
reaching into China and Pakistan.
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While it's hard to
know exactly where
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along this chain cannabis evolved,
what it evolved from is clear.
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Cannabis is a close
relative of the hop plant,
but with one crucial difference.
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Cannabis contains
a chemical called THC,
tetra-hydro-cannabinol,
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the active ingredient,
which gets you stoned.
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Here we are.
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We're in the mountains here and it's
not in great abundance but here it
is, here's a specimen of cannabis.
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This plant has been here for
millions of years but
what I don't understand is why
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would this plant have evolved THC,
this psychoactive compound. What was
the reason for the cannabis plant?
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I consider that accumulation of THC
gives a lot of privilege to cannabis.
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This plant very resistant to
ultra-violet. Extremely.
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So it's a defence against
ultra-violet light at this altitude?
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Another thing, the taste of the
leaves.. you can taste if you want.
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I'll have a little bite here.
Yes, it's not so good.
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Oh, yeah, that's really bad.
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Yes, cattle consider the
same and they don't eat leaves and
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plant during the vegetation period.
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So just like any other plant,
cannabis evolved defences
to enable it to survive.
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It just so happens that in the
case of cannabis, these defences
took the form of the chemical, THC.
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But the reason why THC gets
you stoned is due to another,
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entirely unrelated
accident of evolution.
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The origins of our response to
cannabis strangely preceded
the existence of the plant...
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..and can be traced back millions
of years to primitive creatures
living in the ancient oceans.
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And those creatures still exist
today, in the more familiar waters
of Portsmouth.
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What we're looking for are
some buoys, or a boat that
has been here a while,
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and maybe on the underside we'll see
hanging off the bottom of the buoy
hundreds of these creatures.
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In a minute we can take
a look with a camera,
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so if I just set that up
now as we're coming here.
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Shall I grab this monitor?
Yeah, grab the monitor.
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You should hopefully,
as I go under the water
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now start to see
one or two of the sea squirts.
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Oh, yes! Let's go further down,
and you can see one
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there right
now in the light. Can you see it?
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Oh, yes, now I can see. Close-up.
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And there's more here. There we are.
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But what on Earth
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does a sea-squirt have to do with
the way cannabis affects
the human brain?
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Well, if we go back say 500 million
years ago to the oceans
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that would have been
full of creatures like these
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before there were fish and animals
with backbones in the sea.
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We would find living in the oceans,
thriving, creatures such as these
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sea-squirts, that we find here
on the marina today.
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And they have within them,
very simple nervous systems
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that operate in much the same way
that our nervous systems operate.
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In all animals, the nervous system
is made of the same components -
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large numbers of nerve cells
carrying electrical signals,
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and wherever these cells meet,
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the signal is passed from one cell
to a receptor in the next cell,
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by a chemical messenger
called a neurotransmitter.
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Across the brain there are different
types of these neurotransmitters
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such as dopamine and serotonin.
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All animals from donkeys to humans
have inherited this basic structure.
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But way back in time,
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the sea squirt evolved an
innovation to this system.
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What happened was the nervous system
acquired a new chemical,
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a chemical
if you like that had a new flavour,
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a new type of chemical, and
it's this chemical that is related
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in structure and a similar shape
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to the chemical
that's found in cannabis.
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Because of this similarity,
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these new signals
came to be known as cannabinoids.
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On this buoy here,
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you can see quite a lot of them.
And, what's been found is
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that these compounds,
the cannabinoid type compounds,
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they affect the time it takes
for the siphon to close
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in response to touch.
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It in fact takes longer
for the siphon to close
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when they've been exposed to these
cannabinoid compounds.
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Once the cannabinoid receptor
evolved in the sea-squirt
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then it was inherited by every other
vertebrate animal which followed
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including us humans.
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It was only a matter of time
before one of these creatures
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would encounter the cannabis plant,
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so that THC and the cannabinoid
receptor would meet.
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Since it was here in East Asia
that cannabis first proliferated,
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it was probably here that
that first meeting took place.
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It's not really difficult
to imagine how it happened,
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I mean no-one knows for sure
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when THC and the cannabinoid
receptor first came together
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but it has to
have been here in these mountains.
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And whether it was
an animal who, hungry,
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overcame the unpleasant taste and
had a good munch on a cannabis bush,
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or it was a bird
flying around, or a rodent...
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the first stoned animal
is lost to history.
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In that very first stoned animal,
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THC from the cannabis plant flowed
from its gut into its bloodstream
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and was carried to its brain.
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There, it met the cannabinoid
receptor evolved so many
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millions of years earlier
in the humble sea-squirt.
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And it just so happened to fit...
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like a key in a lock.
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It was inevitable that eventually
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cannabis would meet
its perfect partner...us.
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It's not known exactly when humans
started consuming cannabis,
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but there's evidence
that it's been used in this region
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for nearly three thousand years.
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Nomadic tribes passing through
Kazakhstan would pick the plant
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and then distribute it selling it
along the silk road and other ancient
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supply routes, to China, to India
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and to other countries to the west,
And in a way cannabis joined
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the ancient commodities
of salt and tea,
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and its progress from that point on
became unstoppable.
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From 2700BC cannabis was used in
China, as a treatment for pain,
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malaria and constipation.
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From there, as it spread along trade
and slave routes, cannabis became
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more closely entwined with human
history than any other illicit drug.
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Despite the global and enduring
popularity of cannabis,
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modern science is only just
beginning to comprehend its effects.
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Here, just outside Washington DC,
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scientists are trying,
for the first time,
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to find the density and location
of the cannabinoid receptors
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in the human brain.
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Conducting the research
is Dr Garth Terry.
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What stage are you at, what's
happening? We have our volunteer here
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who is being put into the
scanner. First we have to make sure
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his head's in the right position, so
he has this white mask on his face.
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What are you injecting him with?
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We're injecting him with the
radioactive drug,
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it works like a dye.
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It targets only the cannabinoid
receptors throughout the entire body
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and we're imaging the
cannabis receptors in the brain.
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So this drug will accumulate
in the brain
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and we'll get a picture of where
those cannabinoid receptors are
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and how dense they are
throughout the entire brain.
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By mapping out where cannabinoid
receptors exist in the brain,
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and in what density,
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it should help shed light on the
role of the cannabinoid system
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which scientists are only
just beginning to understand.
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What would you say the function is
of these endo-cannabinoid chemicals?
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They act like a dimmer switch
for other neurotransmitters,
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like dopamine, when they're
released in large quantities.
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You need to have a way
to turn down that signal,
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sort of turn down the amount
of neurotransmitter released.
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Why do these other chemical
messengers need regulating?
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That's a good question.
If you have too much of a signal,
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it can actually be toxic
to some brain cells.
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Imagine the case in epilepsy.
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A lot of message is getting across,
it's not being regulated
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it's all garbled, it's being
sent all at once, in full force.
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In cases such as epilepsy, too much
of a neurotransmitter is released,
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flooding through the brain
and activating too many nerve cells.
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But when the cannabinoid receptors
are activated,
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they cause the nerve cells
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to reduce the amount
of neurotransmitter they release.
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In this way, the cannabinoid
system keeps the brain stable,
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with levels of neurotransmitters
at a happy medium.
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After five hours,
the scan is complete.
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So Garth, have you
got the results in?
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Yes, we finished our five-hour scan
and let me show you what we have.
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So this is an image
from our subject from today.
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The receptors are
highlighted in what colour?
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In bright red. Well, any colour
you see, there are receptors,
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and red is the really
dense areas, and you can see
there's a lot of red and yellow.
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Green and blue are the really
not dense areas, where there are
not many receptors.
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So they really are everywhere?
Yes.
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They are the densest receptors
in the brain,
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the most populated throughout
the entire brain.
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Are they only in the brain or are
they in other parts of the body?
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I can show you an
image of a whole body
scan we've done here, here's one.
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Oh, my god, look at that.
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You can see it goes right into
the brain, look how hot that is.
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But there's also cannabinoid
receptors in the liver.
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Look at the bone marrow,
the vertebral column, the ribs.
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So how does what we're seeing
in this image relate to
the experience of using cannabis?
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Well, look at the amount
of cannabinoid receptors
in the brain - a lot of them.
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A lot of the effects of
cannabis use are in the brain.
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Euphoria... As an anxiolytic,
it dissolves your anxiety or it
can even cause your anxiety.
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So cannabis abusers
or cannabis users
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talk about having this high,
this euphoria,
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that's probably from some of
the deep structures in the brain.
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Garth's research shows that
the cannabinoid system protects
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the brain by regulating the other
neurotransmitters within it.
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And the fact that it is so
widespread is reflected in
the range of sensations it brings.
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I have one spliff, nice and relaxed.
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Another one, more relaxed.
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By the third I might start giggling.
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I could do anything.
Right now I could run in this sand.
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I could run in the sand
from here to the pier and back,
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and probably just
barely have a sweat.
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How to explain the coming up
bit I guess... It's just...
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slipping in to a nice warm bath,
I think is the best way to...
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At the end of the day,
slipping into a nice warm bath,
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maybe a Jacuzzi going on,
few bubbles, little yellow duck.
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It's just sort of that
sort of like, "aaah..."
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That the cannabis plant should have
evolved to produce a chemical
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that fits the
highly complex receptors
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in our brain to cause these effects
feels like a wild coincidence.
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But it's not as strange
as you might think.
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There are hundreds of
thousands of plant species and
they create thousands of chemicals
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and it would be just remarkable
if there wasn't one that didn't
interact with the human brain.
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And they do, there's the opium
poppy and the tobacco plant,
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and both of those act on the brain.
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These plants can affect our body
chemistry because they're made of
the same building blocks as we are.
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Cannabis is no exception.
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Whether you like it or not,
each and every one of us
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is fundamentally
wired to respond to cannabis.
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So has it simply been
the victim of prejudice?
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How real is
the dark side of cannabis?
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It's like I married cannabis,
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I never had a relationship
of me own except with cannabis.
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That was my relationship...
with cannabis.
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I did have chances in the past
but I blew it because
I married that thing.
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I feel powerless over this drug,
I despise it.
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I gave up on life ten years ago.
I thought...
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that's me doomed now because I can't
stop this insidious addiction.
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John, not his real name,
began his relationship
with cannabis in his early 20s.
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It was 1991 and I got in
with the wrong crowd,
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going to rave clubs and things.
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Some of the lads would be smoking
spliffs and I wanted to fit in.
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Everybody else was doing it,
even me mates round where
I grew up, they were all doing it...
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and I thought, well, you know
just to join the club like, and...
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But I got stuck with it,
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it started to rule my life
and it was on my mind constantly,
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and I knew there
was going to be a problem there.
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Now, every day of John's life
is structured around cannabis.
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This morning I've been up since
four o'clock
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and I've smoked about six,
seven, eight spliffs, I don't know.
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My usual day is sad, but true...
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I'll get up in the morning
whatever time it may be.
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I'll brew up, have a cup of tea,
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have a cup of coffee,
spliff in between...
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Then I might go out for a walk
round the park sometimes
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or feed the birds and then I'll have
some more spliffs, cup of tea.
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Then come the evening time,
seven o'clock,
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I might have a couple of
glasses of wine, spliff, spliff.
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Then I'll roll a spliff
which I'll smoke when I'm in bed.
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And that's Groundhog Day.
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And that happens
most days in the week.
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And today is no exception.
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Right now...
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I have to be perfectly honest,
I want youse to go for a bit while
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I skin up and make a spliff and then
perhaps come back in half an hour.
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John can now barely imagine
life without cannabis.
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I think to myself, if I stop,
if I stop, how am I going to
cope in the real world?
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That's how I feel.
How am I going to function?
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How am I gonna mix with people?
How am I gonna converse with people?
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I'm not used to doing that.
I've spent 17 or 18 years
puffing away on cannabis.
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It's like I'd have to
start all over again...
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And I think it's too late now,
it's too late.
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I've squandered my opportunities.
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I'm an addict,
I loathe meself, I really do.
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Listening to John, he sounds
like he needs cannabis to live.
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It's undoubtedly an addiction, but
not in the same way as harder drugs.
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Heroin users that I see, there's no
question really, that if they don't
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take the drug on a regular basis,
they're going to be sick.
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They're going to get
physical withdrawal symptoms
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and those symptoms
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are going to get worse and worse
unless they take more of the drug.
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And that's I suppose, a classical
definition of physical dependence.
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Cannabis is clearly
much more subtle.
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It's not physical addiction,
in that if they stop, they're not
going to be physically ill.
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But if they stop
they'll feel craving...
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a strong need
to take the drug again.
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That is psychological addiction,
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and I don't think of it as a sort
of lesser cousin to physical
addiction, it's equally serious.
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So while it can be very damaging,
addiction to cannabis is not
a physical process in the body.
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Yet cannabis has been accused
of permanently changing
the brain in other ways.
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Does cannabis somehow make us more
likely to abuse other, stronger,
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drugs such as cocaine or heroin?
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To answer that question,
scientists have turned to rats.
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Their brain chemistry is similar
to ours, but unlike humans,
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it's possible to give them cannabis
in controlled amounts
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to see if this increases
their taste for heroin.
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Dr Steve Goldberg has been
measuring the effects.
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Well, in this room,
we've got two groups of chambers,
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one either side.
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We're working with rats
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on this side that have had
a previous exposure to cannabis.
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On the other side, the animals
are control animals that have not
had the exposure to cannabis.
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And we're looking at the
differences between these two groups
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in terms of how much
heroin they take
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and how hard they work for it.
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What does this individual rat
have to do here?
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He's in a test situation,
a light comes on,
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tells him that heroin's available.
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In order to get the heroin, he has
to poke his nose through a hole,
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and he gets a dose of heroin.
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The flashing light is now
him receiving a dose of heroin.
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He's just had a dose of heroin?
Yes.
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Each group of rats,
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those who have been exposed to THC
and the control group who haven't,
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have the opportunity to take heroin
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by poking their noses
against a dispenser.
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The number of nose-pokes
or doses
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that each rat takes
is measured automatically.
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Steve then compares the results to
see whether the past exposure to THC
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makes the rats more likely to
take more frequent doses of heroin.
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So what results have you
found for this rat and for
other rats in his group?
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We found that rats that had exposure
to cannabis in the past
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will work for and obtain
more heroin each session
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than the control rats that didn't
have the cannabis exposure.
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Actually, that's quite
shocking that you found a connection
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between cannabis and heroin.
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The history of cannabis exposure
produces a tolerance-like effect
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where they're less
sensitive to the drug
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and that carries over to heroin,
so they need a bigger dose to get
the same effect.
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Tolerance just refers to the
amount of a drug required to get
you high when used repeatedly.
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It is not the same as addiction
or desire for a drug,
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which is better measured
by the effort made to get it.
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But if you then go on
and in both groups
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and increase the number of times
they have to nose-poke to get
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the heroin, in other words increase
the price for getting heroin,
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then the two groups are the same.
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Steve gradually increases
the number of nose-pokes required
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for one dose of heroin.
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As the workload rises, they reach
a point, around 75 nose-pokes
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where both groups give up
and stop working for the heroin.
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So with increased effort, the effect
between the two groups disappeared.
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That's true.
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This shows there's no difference
in the drive to get heroin
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between rats who have had
cannabis and rats who have not.
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So what's the human implication?
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Basically, that you don't have
enduring biological changes
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that occur because
of the cannabis exposure
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that predetermine that you're
going to go on and become
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addicted to other hard drugs.
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It says it's more of a social
and historical thing that drives it.
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As ever, the picture is more
complicated than a chemical
switch in the brain.
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It seems it's more likely
to be your peer group
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or life-stresses such as
unemployment or the
end of a relationship,
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that lead people from
cannabis on to harder drugs.
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Yet there's another accusation
levelled at cannabis.
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That it triggers one of the most
severe of all mental disorders.
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Permanent psychosis,
or schizophrenia.
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This is our family.
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This is Mark who's 28,
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Natalie who's 25 this is Paul who's
19 and this is his twin, Melissa.
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And, as far as we know,
none of them suffer from any
mental illness of any kind,
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so we think it's probably
the cannabis which has caused
the difficulties with Paul.
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Paul Floyd started smoking skunk,
one of the most potent
strains of cannabis,
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four years ago at
the age of fifteen.
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After a year, he started
to have strange experiences.
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'At first when I heard the voices,
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'I thought it was God talking to me,
and I had delusions about God'
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and they were causing me
to believe that I was Jesus
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and that I'd rise to heaven
and things if I took it.
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I first started hearing them when
I was on skunk and then they began
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to just start happening
in normal every day life, as well.
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At first, Paul's parents were
confused by his behaviour.
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It was a gradual change
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which we didn't really recognise
for what it was, at the time.
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So there were things
like staring very intently
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at members of the family,
other people, weren't there?
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Um, laughing to himself when
there was nothing to laugh about.
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And some strange sort of body
posturing sometimes,
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it's quite hard to describe,
like some strange sort of gestures.
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Almost boxing at times, wasn't it?
Yes.
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Quite peculiar, really.
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After that, Paul's behaviour
changed rapidly, as over time,
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twelve separate voices appeared
and gave him instructions.
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'They used to tell me
to throw things away
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'like I'd throw away
my CD collection.'
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They were saying I should
bring about the downfall of, like,
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the music industry
by throwing CDs away.
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Other people would follow
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through some sort of mind link
or something.
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Sometimes the voices would
speak to Paul through
the radio or television.
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From programmes like Coronation
Street, the characters would say
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to clean things.
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I had to buy a lot of cleaning
products and they had to be matching
in every room of the house,
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matching colours, he got quite
distressed if they weren't
the same colours in each room.
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I've got a shed full of mops
and buckets that he persuaded
me to buy when he was
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very fixated on cleaning.
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Yet even at this point,
Sheila and Dave didn't connect
Paul's behaviour with cannabis...
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because they didn't even
know he was smoking it.
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Innocently, every week,
we would give him an allowance...
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Even then we didn't make the
link between how he was behaving
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and the fact that he smoking
that necessarily, did we?
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I know that sounds
probably a bit naive now.
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It was only once Sheila and
Dave took Paul to a psychiatrist
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that they connected his
problems with cannabis.
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Paul was diagnosed
with schizophrenia,
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and prescribed anti-psychotic
medication which he may have to
take for the rest of his life.
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But although the connection between
Paul's cannabis use
and schizophrenia may seems clear...
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it's extremely hard to demonstrate.
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Proving the link between
cannabis and psychosis
is never going to be easy.
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It's a bit like a chicken
and the egg situation.
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Does the drug cause mental illness,
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or is it that people
with mental illness
in some way seek out cannabis?
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00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,040
'One person trying to untangle
this puzzle is Dr Cathy Fernandes.'
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Tell me, how are you
studying the link
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between cannabis
and schizophrenia?
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What we're really interested in
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is the long-lasting effects
of cannabis.
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We're using mice to do this
because we can control
when they have the cannabis,
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what age they have it,
and for how long.
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So this is the centre of your
experiment. What goes on here?
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This is a behavioural task
called the Morris Water Maze.
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It's a spatial memory task,
so we are looking at differences
in memory and learning.
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They have to learn the location
of a hidden platform in the pool,
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so here we have the platform that's
hidden below the level of the water.
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The water's sort of opaque,
isn't it?
452
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,840
That's right, it hides
the platform under the water.
453
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,080
So really they have to learn to
navigate by using cues
or objects outside the room,
454
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,680
so if you look around the room,
455
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,840
we have various objects outside
the pool and these help
the animals to navigate,
456
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,720
so when they reach the platform,
they can look up
and try and locate themselves.
457
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,320
So we're looking at how fast and how
quickly they reach the platform,
458
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,960
and whether they can swim
in a straight direction
when they reach the platform.
459
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:25,600
So Cathy took two groups of mice.
The first group were exposed to THC
460
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:31,360
when they were juveniles,
equivalent to age 10 to 15 in
humans.
461
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,000
So we gave them something equivalent
to two or three joints a day...
462
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,880
And we treated them for
two weeks, when they were young,
463
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,080
then we stopped their drug treatment
we waited for them to grow up,
until they were adults,
464
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,400
about two months later.
465
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,560
so now we're ready to test them,
they're drug free,
don't have any THC on board now.
466
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,200
'The first mouse goes in.'
467
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,560
But what can a swimming
mouse tell you about psychosis?
468
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,640
We don't know if any normal mice
would ever have schizophrenia.
469
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,280
But we do know there are some
very important core features
470
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,920
of schizophrenia
we can study in animals.
471
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,360
One of those features
is a memory impairment.
472
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,040
We can look at that directly in
mice, using this sort of task here,
473
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:20,040
we can pick up differences in memory
after giving the mice cannabis.
474
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,800
You have to say, he doesn't
look as if he's remembered
the location of the platform.
475
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:30,080
You can see he's swimming around
but really not finding the location
of the platform.
476
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,800
If he does find it,
you'd have to conclude
that it was by chance, I think.
477
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:39,280
That's right. He has already been
swimming for a while so now I will
guide him to the platform location.
478
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,440
And there he is.
479
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,360
'Cathy repeats the memory
test with a squad of 12 mice,
480
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,080
'before moving on to a second group
of mice who received THC
481
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,240
'when they were slightly older,
equivalent to teenagers
aged 15 and over.'
482
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,680
And straight there.
483
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:32,280
That's right, so you see a much
straighter, a more directed action
to the one he found it much quicker.
484
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,320
'Once more twelve mice are tested
before Cathy compares the results
485
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,520
'of the two groups
against a control group.'
486
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,000
So this is the track data
that we have from the computer
system that we use,
487
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,360
it's able to give us really accurate
recording and measures...
488
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,400
not just the time it takes for the
mice to reach the platform,
489
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,080
but also how far they've swam,
the distance they've swam.
490
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,920
So the first mice we have here,
these are the black mice
491
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,880
that received THC when they were
very young adolescents,
492
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,600
and if you look at the track,
they're really swimming
all over the pool,
493
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,560
not in a very straight
pattern, and taking a long time
to reach the location.
494
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:19,160
So if we now compare to the mice
who received the THC when they were
teenagers or young adults,
495
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,560
you can see they really have learnt
the location of the platform,
496
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,640
so clearly giving THC
when you're an older age doesn't
seem to cause an impairment.
497
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,120
Can you quantify the
difference between the two?
498
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,720
We do find a very large
significant difference,
499
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:36,560
as much as 25% deficit in the
THC-treated young adolescent mice,
500
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,200
so we really are fairly sure that
there's a strong impact in giving
501
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:45,760
THC to young adolescents, there's
a lasting effect on their memory
performance when they're adult.
502
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,400
Could you translate that
to human development?
503
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,480
We think that would indicate the
vulnerable group are children
504
00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:00,160
under 15 receiving high doses
or concentrations of THC repeatedly.
505
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,040
It's a worrying trend
because the number of children
506
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,000
who are now taking cannabis
is really on the rise.
507
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,360
So we know that in the UK at least,
40% of 15-year-olds
have tried cannabis already,
508
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:16,040
and this is the point at which they
might be developmentally vulnerable
to the effects of THC.
509
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,040
Cathy's research implies
that just a few years
510
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,080
can make a critical difference to
how cannabis affects your brain.
511
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,040
But for schizophrenia
to develop is rare.
512
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,040
The likelihood
of developing schizophrenia
in your lifetime is 1%.
513
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,120
Occasional cannabis use
can raise this to 2%
514
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,440
while heavy use might raise
the lifetime risk to 6%.
515
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:56,040
The problem is, anyone using
cannabis won't know whether they
are vulnerable until it's too late.
516
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,480
Now Paul is trying
to rebuild his life.
517
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,120
We're immensely proud of him.
518
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,440
The way he's got through things,
he's back at college...
519
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:12,440
We're really, really
proud of him, he's coped
amazingly well with it all.
520
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:23,080
I'm hoping to learn to drive
and possibly go to uni
and study further,
521
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,480
and I'd like to go to Africa and
build a school and things like that.
522
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,960
Despite stopping smoking cannabis
and starting medication,
523
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,480
the voices in Paul's head
have not left him entirely.
524
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,880
Now I hear the voice
of a girl I used to know -
525
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,880
I didn't know her very well,
526
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,200
but for some reason
she stuck in my head.
527
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,920
I hear her voice most of the day
528
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,800
and before I go to sleep
is the worst time.
529
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,720
Sometimes she's told me to
commit suicide and things
530
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,440
but I tend to just ignore that.
531
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,120
The thought that
he will always be hearing that
532
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,120
is really difficult to contemplate
533
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,080
because I can hardly imagine
what that must be like.
534
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,720
Paul's story
shows what long-term effects
535
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:16,240
cannabis might have
on the human brain.
536
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,400
Now, research into the short-term
effects of using cannabis
537
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,680
suggests that there may be a link
with schizophrenia here too.
538
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,760
The first studies of the immediate
effects of THC on the human brain
539
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,760
are now being made by
Dr Zerrin Atakan.
540
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,840
I really want to see how cannabis
does its effect,
541
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,680
especially in the brain,
542
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,960
because this is the most widely used
drug in the world
543
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,360
and we still know
not too much about it.
544
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,240
Especially how it works
in the brain.
545
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:55,920
Zerrin was particularly interested
in how THC can affect
546
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,360
the brain's internal control over
your behaviour and inner thoughts.
547
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,160
As you know,
when people smoke cannabis
548
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,040
sometimes they can have,
some of them,
549
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,680
have difficulty
in controlling their behaviour,
550
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,520
and that's why we chose a task
that could measure this.
551
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,360
And the task is called
response inhibition,
552
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,760
or how you stop yourself
from doing something,
553
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,400
or how you put the brakes on.
554
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,680
OK. Can you show me the task? Yeah.
555
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:26,920
When volunteer lies in the scanner,
this is what he sees.
556
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,200
He sees an arrow
pointing right or left,
557
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:35,280
and he is asked to press the
button right or left accordingly.
558
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,120
And then occasionally there will be
an arrow pointing upwards,
559
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,080
and he is asked
not to press the button.
560
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,200
So in a sense
he is asked to do nothing?
561
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,120
He is asked to stop himself from
pressing the button
562
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:54,200
and this was the particular bit of
the task that we were interested in.
563
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,360
And this is how we
put the brakes on...
564
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,680
So I guess that sort of braking
565
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,600
is the sort of control over behaviour
that we do all the time. Yeah.
566
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:08,000
So Zerrin gave this task to
volunteers, inside a brain scanner.
567
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,480
Each of them had received THC
equivalent to smoking one joint.
568
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,720
She then repeated the experiment
with a placebo for comparison.
569
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,160
What she was looking for
was the brain activity in each group
570
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,480
as they tried not to press the
button in response to the up arrow.
571
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,000
This is the average
of 15 volunteers.
572
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,840
And this is the placebo condition,
573
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,320
basically
this is the normal situation.
574
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,160
This is the normal brain
responding to that task.
575
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,680
As you can see certain areas
are looking red there
576
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,120
which are activated,
that is the pre-frontal cortex...
577
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,680
and this is what you would
expect in a normal situation,
578
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,400
when we are stopping yourself
from doing something.
579
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,640
This is the average
of again 15 people
580
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,320
this time who have
taken THC, cannabis.
581
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,720
And what you see, very clearly,
that in fact the normal areas
582
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:11,760
are not working,
there's no activity.
583
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,960
Zerrin believes that
the inactivation of these
frontal areas of the brain
584
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,080
which interpret our surroundings
585
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,800
might explain some effects of
cannabis such as paranoia.
586
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,600
If your brakes aren't on,
you might misinterpret
587
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,440
or you could maybe
see a shadow or hear a sound.
588
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,360
Normally you would say this is just
a branch or this is just the wind,
589
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,560
but if you already misinterpreting
what is going on,
590
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,040
you're not putting the brakes on,
you might interpret
that as someone following you.
591
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,560
So this is showing how cannabis
affects the brain.
592
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,120
And would that be a similar way
593
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,960
in which the brain of
a schizophrenic might be working?
594
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,320
Yes, there are similarities,
I agree,
595
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,880
especially if you think that
cannabis can affect people
596
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,240
in a way that they become suspicious
597
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:05,480
and same thing you see also
in people with schizophrenia,
598
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,840
that they can be over-suspicious
about their environment,
599
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,160
and again we know that this area
is a suspect area
600
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,720
in severe mental illness
like schizophrenia.
601
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,040
Zerrin's research is preliminary
602
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,600
but implies that when the brain
is under the influence of THC,
603
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,160
the effects can be similar
to those seen in schizophrenia.
604
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,080
It reinforces the idea
that smoking cannabis
605
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,440
can, in a small number of cases,
trigger the condition.
606
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,280
But cannabis has another face
entirely.
607
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,720
Here in California, people are
using it to improve their health.
608
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,920
Following a legal statute
called the Compassionate Use Act,
609
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,760
passed in 1996,
those with a medical problem
610
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,000
can obtain cannabis
from a high street dispensary.
611
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,280
There's quite a strong smell
of cannabis.
612
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,600
Oh look, look.
613
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,680
These are all edible forms of
cannabis, I guess -
614
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,160
green label cakes,
single shot cakes, triple-X cakes,
615
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,520
vegan chocolate chip,
vanilla brownie,
616
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,200
down here various forms of soda, tea
and so forth,
617
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:42,040
chocolate chip, vanilla,
rich berries, mango,
618
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,120
all cannabis ice-cream.
619
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,120
There's two condensed buds
of cannabis.
620
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,600
Oh, and look - a joint itself.
621
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,080
And here's
the centre of the operation,
622
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,880
and lo and behold it's a sort of
bank of cannabis there.
623
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,400
One of the people making medical use
of marijuana,
624
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,080
as it's known in the US,
is Allison Stanley.
625
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,040
When I started to look into this
626
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:18,040
I thought "No way,
this is just another gimmick,
627
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,280
"this is for potheads,
this is for druggies," you know,
628
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,560
"I don't want to get addicted".
I wasn't for it in the beginning.
629
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,640
But after exhausting
all conventional treatments,
630
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,640
she had to reconsider.
631
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,880
I was in a very serious car accident
last summer,
632
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,760
where I was shoved under the
dashboard, and I had a detached colon
as a result of it,
633
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:44,320
I had a knee injury,
I have a shoulder injury, and
I'm going through multiple surgeries.
634
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,320
And my doctors weren't able to
address the pain issue,
635
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,160
or the lack of sleep
that I was getting.
636
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,840
I keep it in my bedroom,
and only in my bedroom.
637
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,960
All you do is insert this...
and you do this.
638
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,960
It helps with the pain, definitely,
639
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,160
and it definitely helps me
sleep at night.
640
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,280
So it's brought life back to me.
641
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,720
Elsewhere in Los Angeles,
Tom is using medical marijuana
642
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:15,880
for entirely different reasons.
643
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,600
I smoke medical marijuana, cannabis,
because it makes me relaxed.
644
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,240
It helps me deal with
day-to-day stress in life.
645
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,160
It really helps me with anxiety,
646
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,920
and I have incredible
anxiety attacks
647
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,400
where I just get stressed out,
I can't deal with reality.
648
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,080
Previously I had a prescription
to anxiety drugs
649
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:41,120
and those anxiety drugs,
taking them so much
650
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,760
and it was just really,
really bad for me.
651
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,360
It was the strain
of the business world
652
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,760
that drove Tom to find a release.
653
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,480
The corporate world
made me stressed,
654
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,080
extremely stressed.
655
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:56,720
Totally stressed.
656
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:59,760
I am so happy I'm out of
the corporate world, it's amazing.
657
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,440
TOM COUGHS
658
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,760
I'm not very social
when I don't smoke marijuana.
659
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,720
I like smoking marijuana...
It calms me down.
660
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:11,200
I just feel totally at ease,
everybody knows me -
661
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,840
"Smoke a little marijuana, Tom,
you'll be great.
662
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,440
"Everything's gonna be fine,
you know. Take a hit!"
663
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:26,200
Usually I'll do that, just smoking
large quantities with other patients
664
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,960
and we're all medicating together,
collectively,
665
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,560
and so we'll do that
in more of a social environment
666
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,000
where we're medicating,
yet being social.
667
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,000
So it's not that we're socially
smoking the marijuana,
668
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,400
we're medicating it for use,
but we're doing it together.
669
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,760
For Tom and Alison, obtaining
cannabis is straightforward.
670
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,720
They go about it the same way as you
would obtain any other medicine,
671
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:54,240
by going to a doctor.
672
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,320
Alan, how does
your practice work here?
673
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,720
It works just like my internal
medicine office,
674
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:04,000
patients call in, they come in,
they're evaluated by myself,
675
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,000
I make a diagnosis
676
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,480
and if appropriate I recommend
medical cannabis for them.
677
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,120
What are some of the complaints
people come in with?
678
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,960
The common complaints are either
Chronic Pain Syndrome of some sort,
679
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,280
and that can be a specific
back or hip injury,
680
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,800
anxiety's a very common one,
681
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,840
depression, insomnia.
682
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:28,160
What proportion would you say come
in with the common mental health
disorders, anxiety and depression?
683
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,000
Probably anxiety, depression
represent about half the patients.
684
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,680
As many as that. Couldn't that
make their problems worse?
685
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,760
If somebody has mild daily anxiety,
686
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,760
they're just trying
to feel 25% better.
687
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,520
Is it reasonable for them to try
using a little plant extract,
688
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,360
if you look at it that way,
it's kind of hard to argue against.
689
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,840
It's just it's been built up
as being such a scary, scary thing.
690
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,240
And it just isn't.
691
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:56,960
What if I walked into your practice
on a Monday morning,
692
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,800
and I sat down and I said,
693
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,720
"Dr Frankel, my mood's good,
I don't have any pain,
694
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:07,320
"but you know what, I just can't seem
get over writer's block.
695
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,240
"I'm sitting at my PC
and I'm just not getting it
696
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:12,600
"and I've been stuck for a week,
697
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,400
"can you give me anything
for my creativity?"
698
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,400
I know that people would disagree
with it, with me for saying this,
699
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,840
but to me that's a reasonable,
I think, human right,
700
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,680
to try and improve your situation
by doing constructive things
701
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,520
under a professional's care.
702
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,400
And could that include cannabis?
703
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,360
Yes. In my opinion.
704
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:41,240
Would it be fair for me to think
that it doesn't really matter
705
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:44,560
what people come in with,
if they're the right age,
706
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,440
they've got general pain
or psychological problems,
707
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,880
the answer from Dr Frankel's
point of view is cannabis.
708
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,320
Yes, if I were a cardiologist
and patients were coming into me,
709
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,920
they'd leave with
cardiology medications.
710
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,000
If I'm a cannabiologist and they're
coming to me cos they've tried
711
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,920
so many other things
and they've failed,
712
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,240
the likelihood is they'll leave
with a cannabis recommendation.
713
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,600
While the system in place here
runs smoothly enough,
714
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,040
it worries me
that it's open to abuse,
715
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,880
but more than that,
it's an experiment
716
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,720
that is being stretched beyond
any available evidence.
717
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:29,400
I don't really have a problem
buying into the view
718
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,040
of cannabis as being connected
to treating pain,
719
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,720
you know, that seems
to be pretty clear.
720
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:39,160
Whether we can make
a much greater leap of faith
721
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,400
towards buying into the treatment
of common mental disorders
722
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,680
such as anxiety and depression
with cannabis
723
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,920
is a bigger order and I'm still
pretty sceptical about that.
724
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,800
To add to the uncertainty,
725
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,520
although medical cannabis is
approved by California state law,
726
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,160
it's still illegal
under federal law,
727
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,600
so even here where residents
have voted for medical cannabis,
728
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,520
the relationship is still
a confused one.
729
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:12,800
It's a surprising situation for a
plant that's been with us so long.
730
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,720
Other plant-based drugs
with medical uses,
731
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:18,000
such as aspirin, cocaine and heroin,
732
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,600
have all been exploited
for their full benefits.
733
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,840
But cannabis lags behind.
734
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,600
In fact only now is
the world's first legal medicine
735
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,000
based on the cannabis plant
being produced,
736
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,160
deep in the English countryside.
737
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,320
I'm going there for a rare glimpse.
738
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,120
Even though it's all done
completely legally,
739
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,360
with the permission
of the Home Office,
740
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,680
the security arrangements
means the exact location
has to remain a secret.
741
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,120
That means we're gonna have
to turn the camera off.
742
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,040
Come on through, John.
Thank you. So this is it?
743
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,360
This is it, you can see here,
one of our growing areas.
744
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,840
And a fairly wide selection
of plants.
745
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,120
Come on in, have a look. Thank you.
746
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:03,920
Gosh, there's loads of it!
747
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,600
How many plants have we got here?
748
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,200
There's about 5,000 plants here
and every year we grow about 30,000.
749
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,520
And how much volume of cannabis
would this produce per year?
750
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,360
The payload, the botanical raw
materials it's called, about a tonne.
751
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,800
Gosh.
752
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,040
To turn it into a saleable
pain relief medicine,
753
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,680
the cannabis is first dried.
754
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:37,160
Each and every plant is a clone,
so that the exact properties
are known and consistent.
755
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:38,493
It's like hanging out the washing.
756
00:51:38,528 --> 00:51:40,620
let's go in here now.
757
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,600
After you.
758
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,160
We need to get into
this kit I'm afraid.
759
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,960
Next it is milled and heated... .
760
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,240
So we See raw material, will be
761
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:02,840
put into the
762
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,960
mill and its grounded down
to particals of about a millimeter.
763
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,200
At this stage nothing's wasted...
764
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,360
Yes, it all goes in there exactly.
765
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,400
The plant material is reduced to a
concentrate And then it ends up in
766
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:23,040
here, spinning down to about
60 degrees and all the
liquid just evaporates away.
767
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,560
To give you an idea of
the sort of material it is,
768
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,880
it's sort of treacle like.
769
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,160
It's quite sticky. It really is
quite sticky, and that makes it
770
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,080
quite hard to work with therefore.
771
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,760
Let's have a look at that.
772
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:36,880
Oh, gosh.
773
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:43,200
The final product is a liquid which
the patient sprays into their mouth
774
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,000
so removing the need
for harmful smoking.
775
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,080
Yet, despite this
meticulous processing,
776
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,360
it's still not widely available.
777
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,160
It's not exactly taking it's place
778
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,200
in the pharmacies
across the country.
779
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,640
Is that because
the effects are quite weak?
780
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,960
No, they're not weak at all.
781
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:03,720
I think that cannabis wouldn't
have survived over the millennia
782
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:07,880
as a medicinal...entity
if it had been weak.
783
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,960
And cannabis-medicines aren't weak.
784
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,840
It's simply that we're dealing
with a group of patients
785
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,480
who have tried all the standard
medicines and haven't responded
786
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,960
before they ever come
into the medical clinical
trials with this drug.
787
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,840
Dealing with outcome measures
which are really vague -
788
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,440
Pain and spasticity are very hard
to quantify in a research situation.
789
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,960
Despite this, so far,
the only available product
790
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,200
is a treatment for pain
caused by multiple sclerosis,
791
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,200
and this is licensed only in Canada.
792
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,440
But there's a possibility
of treating many more ailments
793
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,160
thanks to an unexpected
property of the plant.
794
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,760
If you look in
the microscope,
795
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,400
you can see some glistening
golfball-like structures.
796
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,880
And those are
the glandular trichomes
797
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,120
in the inflorescence of the plant
798
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,440
which contain the chemicals we're
interested in for making a medicine.
799
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:05,880
It's not just THC.
800
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:11,400
These trichomes contain CBD,
another valuable chemical.
801
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,640
There's a lot of CBD in
that particular one as well,
cannabidiol, another cannabinoid,
802
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,520
a non-psychoactive cannabinoid, an
important component to the medicine.
803
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,760
So, from your point of view, in
terms of developing medications,
804
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,800
cannabidiol, CBD,
what role does that have?
805
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,240
We hope it's gonna...
We're fascinated by this stuff,
806
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:34,520
which has tremendous potential
as an anti-inflammatory but
also as an anti-psychotic.
807
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,960
So you're telling me CBD
could be a treatment for psychosis?
808
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,440
Yes, isn't that ironic?
809
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,440
With all the tremendous
publicity around the link
between cannabis smoking
810
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,440
and the potential of increasing
the risk of psychosis,
811
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,480
here we have a component
of the plant which itself
is anti-psychotic.
812
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,800
And we're saying... Within the
same plant, you have a chemical
813
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,400
which has an opposite effect
814
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,080
and which therefore be protective
to some extent?
815
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,720
I think it's a level of concern
816
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:03,440
that some of the recreational
cannabis that's out there
817
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,720
contains no CBD at all
and that is a modern phenomenon.
818
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:11,840
Previously, it was much more usual
for people to be smoking cannabis
819
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,320
some CBD in it at least.
820
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:20,120
As recreational cannabis plants
are grown for higher THC content,
821
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,360
so their CBD content falls,
822
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,520
simply because the plant isn't able
to produce high levels of both.
823
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,000
So your trick,
as a developer of medication,
824
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,920
is, I suppose, to change the
relative balance of THC and CBD.
825
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:40,120
Exactly so... Getting that
proportion right for different
conditions is going to be key.
826
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:44,600
We think for pain and spasticity,
a roughly equal balance of THC
827
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,840
and CBD is good, because each has
their own type of pharmacology,
828
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:52,320
quite separate mechanisms
of action, and they interact
together in a helpful way.
829
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,840
Probably along with other
plant constituents too.
830
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,800
But for other conditions like
inflammation or psychosis,
831
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,080
you wouldn't want,
probably, any THC at all.
832
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,360
You'd want some of
the other plant components,
833
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:08,240
but you'd want the CBD mainly,
alongside those other components.
834
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,760
For a plant that's been
known and used medicinally
for almost 3,000 years,
835
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,720
it's surprising that new chemicals
and uses are still being discovered.
836
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:24,400
What I find even more surprising is
that the medicinal use of cannabis
837
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,640
is so far from being
widely accepted.
838
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:38,520
It seems to me that across the
world, our relationship with
cannabis remains confused.
839
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,760
And not without reason.
840
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,200
For many people, it brings
them a great deal of pleasure.
841
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,600
Unless you've actually tried it,
you can't say how good it feels.
842
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,840
All I know is that I feel
absolutely fantastic.
843
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,440
But all drug use comes
with a price.
844
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,960
It's like the old record says -
you reap what you sow.
845
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,040
And it's so true.
846
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:09,320
Because I'm reaping what I sowed,
and I regret it,
I've just wasted my life.
847
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:15,040
I've just let life pass me by
because I've been sat in the chair
just smoking cannabis.
848
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,440
From what I've seen,
unlike heroin and crack cocaine,
the drugs that I deal with
849
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:24,360
as a psychologist, cannabis
is just not in the same league.
850
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,200
It can't kill you, and it's
very unlikely to ruin your life.
851
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,840
But that's not to say
it's entirely safe.
852
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:36,720
Actually, I'm quite impressed
with how much evidence has been
gathered about the dangers.
853
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,160
It seems to me that cannabis has
no place in the developing brain.
854
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:44,200
And although the numbers of people
likely to be affected is tiny,
855
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,200
there does appear to be a link
856
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,040
between early use of cannabis
and mental health problems.
857
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,400
For our family, it's been
absolutely devastating.
858
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,000
Paul is still suffering the
effects, still hears the voices.
859
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,880
And possibly always will do.
860
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,760
Yet these extreme effects
are rare.
861
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:10,200
In the end, it's my impression
that the most significant damage
caused by cannabis is subtle.
862
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,880
It's not at the extremes,
863
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:16,560
it's the thousands of regular
smokers whose lives are held back.
864
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,160
It's the apathy.
865
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,960
It's the sitting around,
smoking, not getting things done.
866
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,360
The valuable, precious
opportunities of life are lost.
867
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:37,640
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