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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,947 --> 00:00:09,346 150 years ago 2 00:00:09,667 --> 00:00:10,466 the business corporation 3 00:00:10,467 --> 00:00:13,459 was a relatively insignificant institution. 4 00:00:13,547 --> 00:00:16,220 Today it is all pervasive. 5 00:00:16,507 --> 00:00:17,383 Like the church 6 00:00:17,387 --> 00:00:19,457 the monarchy and the communist party 7 00:00:19,627 --> 00:00:21,379 in other times and places 8 00:00:21,467 --> 00:00:24,061 the corporation is today's dominant institution. 9 00:00:25,867 --> 00:00:28,345 This documentary examines the nature 10 00:00:28,346 --> 00:00:30,824 evolution impacts and possible futures 11 00:00:31,147 --> 00:00:33,297 of the modern business corporation. 12 00:00:35,467 --> 00:00:37,822 Initially given a narrow legal mandate 13 00:00:37,867 --> 00:00:40,142 what has allowed today's corporation to achieve 14 00:00:40,267 --> 00:00:44,146 such extraordinary power and influence over our lives? 15 00:00:44,147 --> 00:00:46,462 We begin our inquiry as scandals threaten to trigger 16 00:00:46,507 --> 00:00:49,226 a wide debate about the lack of public control 17 00:00:49,387 --> 00:00:51,457 over big corporations. 18 00:00:51,787 --> 00:00:59,626 I think there is an overhang over the market of distrust. 19 00:00:59,627 --> 00:01:01,776 listen 95 percent or some percent 20 00:01:01,867 --> 00:01:02,936 huge percentage 21 00:01:03,307 --> 00:01:05,741 of the business community are honest 22 00:01:05,742 --> 00:01:08,175 and unreveal all their assets 23 00:01:08,587 --> 00:01:11,499 got compensation programs that are balanced. 24 00:01:11,500 --> 00:01:13,583 But there are some bad apples... 25 00:01:13,867 --> 00:01:15,539 the media debate about the basic operating principles 26 00:01:15,787 --> 00:01:17,698 of the corporate world was quickly reduced 27 00:01:17,707 --> 00:01:19,626 to a game of follow the leader. 28 00:01:19,627 --> 00:01:20,946 I still happen to think the United States 29 00:01:21,427 --> 00:01:23,383 is the greatest place in the world to invest. 30 00:01:23,384 --> 00:01:25,340 We have some shake ups that are going on 31 00:01:25,547 --> 00:01:26,616 because of a few bad apples. 32 00:01:32,107 --> 00:01:36,180 Some people call me a bad apple 33 00:01:36,427 --> 00:01:41,660 but I may be bruised but I still taste sweet. 34 00:01:41,707 --> 00:01:45,985 Some people call me a bad apple 35 00:01:46,027 --> 00:01:49,463 but I may be the sweetest apple on the tree. 36 00:01:50,987 --> 00:01:54,059 These are not just a bunch of bad apples. 37 00:01:54,307 --> 00:01:55,899 This is just a few bad apples. 38 00:01:56,227 --> 00:01:57,666 This is not just a few bad apples. 39 00:01:57,667 --> 00:01:59,498 You've gotta get rid of the bad apples 40 00:01:59,587 --> 00:02:00,702 You can start with Tyco 41 00:02:01,027 --> 00:02:01,986 Bad apples 42 00:02:01,987 --> 00:02:03,386 We know all about WorldCom. 43 00:02:03,907 --> 00:02:04,866 Bad apples 44 00:02:04,867 --> 00:02:05,902 Xerox Corporation. 45 00:02:05,903 --> 00:02:06,623 Bad apples 46 00:02:06,787 --> 00:02:07,537 Arthur Anderson. 47 00:02:07,747 --> 00:02:08,543 Bad apples 48 00:02:08,707 --> 00:02:09,265 Enron obviously 49 00:02:09,266 --> 00:02:09,824 bad apples. 50 00:02:10,147 --> 00:02:11,216 K-mart Corporation 51 00:02:11,587 --> 00:02:12,066 Bad apples 52 00:02:12,067 --> 00:02:13,546 the fruit cart is getting a little more full. 53 00:02:13,987 --> 00:02:15,822 I don�t think it's just a few apples unfortunately. 54 00:02:15,823 --> 00:02:17,657 I think this is the worst crisis of confidence 55 00:02:17,827 --> 00:02:20,421 in business. 56 00:02:20,667 --> 00:02:22,605 What's wrong with this picture? 57 00:02:22,606 --> 00:02:24,543 Can we not pick a better metaphor 58 00:02:24,827 --> 00:02:27,182 to describe the dominant institution of our time? 59 00:02:29,507 --> 00:02:32,385 Through the voices of CEOs whistle blowers 60 00:02:32,387 --> 00:02:35,220 brokers gurus and spies 61 00:02:35,267 --> 00:02:37,178 insiders and outsiders 62 00:02:37,667 --> 00:02:39,925 we present the corporation as a paradox 63 00:02:39,926 --> 00:02:42,183 an institution which creates great wealth 64 00:02:42,467 --> 00:02:45,061 but causes enormous and often hidden harms. 65 00:03:02,027 --> 00:03:05,337 I see the corporation as part of a jigsaw 66 00:03:05,387 --> 00:03:06,740 in society as a whole 67 00:03:06,827 --> 00:03:08,485 which if you remove it 68 00:03:08,486 --> 00:03:10,144 the picture�s incomplete. 69 00:03:10,187 --> 00:03:13,065 But equally if it's the only part 70 00:03:13,547 --> 00:03:14,696 it's not going to work. 71 00:03:15,947 --> 00:03:16,902 A sports team. 72 00:03:16,907 --> 00:03:18,943 Some of us are blocking and tackling. 73 00:03:18,944 --> 00:03:20,226 Some of us are running the ball 74 00:03:20,587 --> 00:03:22,306 some of us are throwing the ball. 75 00:03:22,307 --> 00:03:23,865 But we all have a common purpose 76 00:03:24,267 --> 00:03:26,497 which is to succeed as an organization. 77 00:03:28,187 --> 00:03:30,064 A corporations like a family unit. 78 00:03:30,587 --> 00:03:34,262 People in a corporation work together for a common end 79 00:03:37,307 --> 00:03:39,059 Like the telephone system 80 00:03:39,227 --> 00:03:41,582 it reaches almost everywhere. 81 00:03:41,627 --> 00:03:45,745 It's extraordinarily powerful it's pretty hard to avoid. 82 00:03:45,947 --> 00:03:48,541 And it transforms the lives of people 83 00:03:48,542 --> 00:03:50,065 I think on balance 84 00:03:50,267 --> 00:03:51,222 for the better. 85 00:03:52,667 --> 00:03:54,419 The eagle 86 00:03:54,427 --> 00:03:58,545 soaring clear eyed competitive 87 00:03:58,747 --> 00:04:03,066 prepared to strike but not a vulture. 88 00:04:03,067 --> 00:04:08,619 Noble visionary majestic that people can believe in 89 00:04:08,827 --> 00:04:11,022 and be inspired by 90 00:04:11,227 --> 00:04:15,539 that creates such a lift that it soars. 91 00:04:15,547 --> 00:04:18,425 I can see that being a good logo 92 00:04:18,427 --> 00:04:20,224 for the principled company. 93 00:04:23,707 --> 00:04:25,584 Okay guys enough bullshit. 94 00:04:29,947 --> 00:04:32,905 Corporations are artificial creations. 95 00:04:32,906 --> 00:04:34,704 You might say they�re monsters 96 00:04:34,747 --> 00:04:39,104 trying to devour as much profit as possible 97 00:04:39,387 --> 00:04:42,982 at anyone's expense. 98 00:04:43,227 --> 00:04:44,455 I think of a whale. 99 00:04:44,667 --> 00:04:48,026 A gentle big fish 100 00:04:48,027 --> 00:04:51,815 which could swallow you in an instant. 101 00:04:51,816 --> 00:04:56,064 Dr. Frankenstein's creation 102 00:04:56,507 --> 00:04:59,362 has overwhelmed and overpowered him. 103 00:04:59,363 --> 00:05:02,217 As the corporate form has done with us. 104 00:05:12,827 --> 00:05:16,900 The word corporate gets attached in almost 105 00:05:16,901 --> 00:05:19,340 you know in a pejorative sense to 106 00:05:19,547 --> 00:05:21,826 and gets married with the word agenda. 107 00:05:21,827 --> 00:05:25,137 And one hears a lot about the corporate agenda 108 00:05:25,547 --> 00:05:27,742 as though it is evil 109 00:05:27,947 --> 00:05:29,744 as though it is an agenda 110 00:05:29,867 --> 00:05:32,097 which is trying to take over the world. 111 00:05:33,227 --> 00:05:36,105 Personally l don't use the word "corporation " 112 00:05:36,107 --> 00:05:37,301 I use the word business. 113 00:05:37,547 --> 00:05:41,825 I will use the word use the word company. 114 00:05:41,867 --> 00:05:44,620 I will use the words business community 115 00:05:44,747 --> 00:05:47,944 cause I think that is a much fairer representation 116 00:05:48,107 --> 00:05:51,816 than zeroing in on just this word corporation. 117 00:05:59,507 --> 00:06:00,735 It's funny that I've taught in a business school 118 00:06:00,747 --> 00:06:01,816 for as long as I have 119 00:06:02,187 --> 00:06:05,384 without ever having been asked so pointedly 120 00:06:05,547 --> 00:06:08,698 to say what I think a corporation is. 121 00:06:08,707 --> 00:06:12,825 ... it is one form of business ownership...? 122 00:06:13,027 --> 00:06:16,258 It's a group of individuals working together to serve 123 00:06:16,387 --> 00:06:18,298 a variety of objectives. 124 00:06:18,307 --> 00:06:20,696 The principal one of which is earning large 125 00:06:20,707 --> 00:06:25,178 growing sustained legal returns 126 00:06:25,507 --> 00:06:27,338 for the people who own the business. 127 00:06:32,947 --> 00:06:38,499 The modern corporation has grown out of the industrial age. 128 00:06:39,027 --> 00:06:42,386 The industrial age began in 1712 129 00:06:42,387 --> 00:06:44,981 with an Englishman named Thomas Newcomen 130 00:06:45,267 --> 00:06:48,426 invented a steam driven pump to pump water 131 00:06:48,427 --> 00:06:51,180 out of the English coalmine so the English coalminers 132 00:06:51,307 --> 00:06:52,945 could get more coal to mine 133 00:06:53,227 --> 00:06:55,900 rather than hauling buckets of water 134 00:06:56,107 --> 00:06:57,062 out of the mine 135 00:06:57,067 --> 00:07:01,106 It was all about productivity more coal per man hour. 136 00:07:01,307 --> 00:07:02,979 That was the dawn of the industrial age. 137 00:07:03,107 --> 00:07:05,860 And then it became more steel per man hour 138 00:07:05,861 --> 00:07:07,419 more textiles per man hour 139 00:07:07,747 --> 00:07:09,666 more automobiles per man hour 140 00:07:09,667 --> 00:07:11,783 and today it's more chips per man hour 141 00:07:12,067 --> 00:07:14,183 more gizmos per man hour. 142 00:07:14,467 --> 00:07:17,125 The system is basically the same system 143 00:07:17,126 --> 00:07:19,784 producing more sophisticated products today. 144 00:07:23,747 --> 00:07:27,586 The dominant role of corporations in our lives 145 00:07:27,587 --> 00:07:31,262 is essentially a product of roughly the past century. 146 00:07:31,427 --> 00:07:34,942 Corporations were originally associations of people 147 00:07:34,943 --> 00:07:36,425 who were chartered by a state 148 00:07:36,707 --> 00:07:38,743 to perform some particular function. 149 00:07:39,107 --> 00:07:41,541 Like a group of people want to build abridge 150 00:07:41,542 --> 00:07:44,658 over the Charles River or something like that. 151 00:07:44,867 --> 00:07:47,745 There were very few chartered corporations 152 00:07:47,747 --> 00:07:49,817 in early United States history. 153 00:07:50,027 --> 00:07:54,179 And the ones that existed had clear stipulations 154 00:07:54,347 --> 00:07:56,086 in their state issued charters 155 00:07:56,087 --> 00:07:57,825 how long they could operate 156 00:07:58,187 --> 00:08:00,106 the amount of capitalization 157 00:08:00,107 --> 00:08:03,179 what they made or did or maintained 158 00:08:03,467 --> 00:08:05,059 a turnpike whatever was in their charter 159 00:08:05,387 --> 00:08:07,298 and they didn't do anything else. 160 00:08:07,307 --> 00:08:10,936 They didn't own or couldn't own another corporation. 161 00:08:11,147 --> 00:08:13,183 Their shareholders were liable. 162 00:08:13,184 --> 00:08:14,978 And so on. 163 00:08:14,987 --> 00:08:17,421 In both law and the culture the corporation was considered 164 00:08:17,867 --> 00:08:21,826 a subordinate entity that was a gift from the people 165 00:08:21,827 --> 00:08:23,857 in order to serve the public good. 166 00:08:27,947 --> 00:08:29,386 So you have that history 167 00:08:29,387 --> 00:08:30,536 and we shouldn't be misled by it 168 00:08:30,827 --> 00:08:33,546 it's not as if these were the halcyon days 169 00:08:33,707 --> 00:08:36,096 when all corporations served the public trust 170 00:08:36,107 --> 00:08:37,779 but there's a lot to learn from that. 171 00:08:40,747 --> 00:08:45,184 The Civil War and the Industrial Revolution 172 00:08:45,267 --> 00:08:48,026 created enormous growth in corporations. 173 00:08:48,027 --> 00:08:50,786 And so there was an explosion of railroads 174 00:08:51,027 --> 00:08:54,144 who got large federal subsidies of land. 175 00:08:54,387 --> 00:08:57,697 Banking heavily manufacturing 176 00:08:57,747 --> 00:09:00,500 And corporate lawyers a century and a half ago 177 00:09:00,627 --> 00:09:03,505 realized that they needed more power to operate 178 00:09:03,507 --> 00:09:07,136 And wanted to remove some of the constraints 179 00:09:07,347 --> 00:09:11,386 that had historically been placed on the corporate form. 180 00:09:11,667 --> 00:09:13,484 The 14th amendment was passed 181 00:09:13,485 --> 00:09:15,302 at the end of the Civil War 182 00:09:15,507 --> 00:09:19,102 to give equal rights to black people. 183 00:09:19,103 --> 00:09:20,619 And therefore it said 184 00:09:20,787 --> 00:09:23,938 No state can deprive any person of life 185 00:09:24,147 --> 00:09:27,503 liberty or property without due process of law. 186 00:09:27,507 --> 00:09:29,338 And that was intended to prevent the states 187 00:09:29,427 --> 00:09:31,816 from taking away life liberty or property 188 00:09:32,307 --> 00:09:34,537 from black people as they had done 189 00:09:34,538 --> 00:09:36,582 for so much of our history. 190 00:09:37,107 --> 00:09:39,701 And what happens is the corporations come into court 191 00:09:39,702 --> 00:09:41,737 and corporation lawyers are very clever. 192 00:09:41,907 --> 00:09:43,056 And they say 193 00:09:43,347 --> 00:09:46,305 Oh you cant deprive a person of life 194 00:09:46,306 --> 00:09:47,376 liberty or property. 195 00:09:47,667 --> 00:09:48,816 We are a person. 196 00:09:49,107 --> 00:09:50,546 A corporation is a person. 197 00:09:50,547 --> 00:09:52,265 And so supreme court goes along with that. 198 00:09:53,907 --> 00:09:57,616 And what was particularly grotesque about this was 199 00:09:57,747 --> 00:10:00,703 that the 14th amendment was passed 200 00:10:00,704 --> 00:10:03,660 to protect newly freed slaves. 201 00:10:03,987 --> 00:10:07,826 So for instance between 1890 and 1910 202 00:10:07,827 --> 00:10:12,105 there were 307 cases brought before the court 203 00:10:12,627 --> 00:10:14,504 under the 14th amendment. 204 00:10:14,547 --> 00:10:17,983 288 of these brought by corporations 205 00:10:17,984 --> 00:10:20,062 19 by African Americans. 206 00:10:26,427 --> 00:10:31,820 600000 people were killed to get rights for people 207 00:10:32,187 --> 00:10:35,543 and then with strokes of the pen over the next 30years 208 00:10:35,547 --> 00:10:39,904 judges applied those rights to capital and property 209 00:10:39,905 --> 00:10:42,586 while stripping them from people. 210 00:10:57,027 --> 00:10:58,983 Everybody makes a mistake once in a while 211 00:10:59,227 --> 00:11:02,378 but I just cant be personally responsible. 212 00:11:02,587 --> 00:11:04,657 That's one of the weaknesses of a partnership 213 00:11:04,658 --> 00:11:06,179 isn't it Sid? 214 00:11:06,307 --> 00:11:09,379 Well maybe you�d better incorporate the store. 215 00:11:09,667 --> 00:11:10,577 Incorporate?! 216 00:11:10,627 --> 00:11:11,742 Yes 217 00:11:12,027 --> 00:11:14,985 Incorporating would give you the big advantage of 218 00:11:14,986 --> 00:11:18,422 what you want right now limited liability. 219 00:11:18,747 --> 00:11:20,544 You start with a group of people 220 00:11:20,667 --> 00:11:23,500 who wanna invest their money in accompany. 221 00:11:23,547 --> 00:11:28,337 Then these people apply for a charter as a corporation. 222 00:11:28,347 --> 00:11:31,976 This government issues a charter to that corporation. 223 00:11:32,187 --> 00:11:37,056 Now that corporation operates legally as an individual person 224 00:11:37,057 --> 00:11:39,581 it is not a group of people 225 00:11:39,867 --> 00:11:42,665 it is under the law a legal person. 226 00:11:43,507 --> 00:11:46,419 Imperial Steel Incorporated has many of the legal rights 227 00:11:46,747 --> 00:11:48,100 of a person. 228 00:11:48,187 --> 00:11:50,781 It can buy and sell property... 229 00:11:51,067 --> 00:11:52,986 It can borrow money. 230 00:11:52,987 --> 00:11:55,785 It can sue in court and be sued. 231 00:11:55,867 --> 00:11:58,620 It can carry on a business. 232 00:11:58,747 --> 00:11:59,975 Imperial Steel 233 00:12:00,187 --> 00:12:02,985 along with thousands of other legal persons 234 00:12:03,067 --> 00:12:05,706 is a part of our daily living. 235 00:12:05,947 --> 00:12:08,302 It is a member of our society. 236 00:12:10,267 --> 00:12:13,259 Having acquired the legal rights and protections of a person 237 00:12:13,260 --> 00:12:15,058 the question arises 238 00:12:15,307 --> 00:12:18,743 What kind of person is the corporation? 239 00:12:18,907 --> 00:12:22,377 Corporations were given the rights of immortal persons. 240 00:12:22,387 --> 00:12:24,378 But then special kinds of persons 241 00:12:24,667 --> 00:12:27,101 persons who had no moral conscience. 242 00:12:31,867 --> 00:12:34,062 These are a special kind of persons 243 00:12:34,267 --> 00:12:37,225 which are designed by law to be concerned 244 00:12:37,226 --> 00:12:39,741 only for their stockholders. 245 00:12:40,027 --> 00:12:42,257 And not say what are sometimes 246 00:12:42,427 --> 00:12:43,655 called their stakeholders 247 00:12:43,867 --> 00:12:46,142 like the community or the work force or whatever. 248 00:12:46,267 --> 00:12:50,977 The great problems of having corporate citizens 249 00:12:51,067 --> 00:12:55,424 is that they aren�t like the rest of us. 250 00:12:55,667 --> 00:12:58,261 As Baron Thurlow in England is supposed to have said 251 00:12:58,262 --> 00:12:59,341 They have no soul to save 252 00:12:59,507 --> 00:13:02,260 and they have no body to incarcerate. 253 00:13:02,387 --> 00:13:04,139 I believe the mistake that a lot of people make 254 00:13:04,307 --> 00:13:05,535 when they think about corporations 255 00:13:05,747 --> 00:13:10,141 is they think you know corporations are like us. 256 00:13:10,142 --> 00:13:14,535 General Electric is a kind old man with lots of stories. 257 00:13:14,547 --> 00:13:18,586 Nike young energetic. 258 00:13:18,867 --> 00:13:20,858 Microsoft aggressive 259 00:13:21,227 --> 00:13:25,982 McDonald's young outgoing enthusiastic 260 00:13:25,983 --> 00:13:29,183 Monsanto immaculately dressed 261 00:13:29,267 --> 00:13:31,861 Disney goofy. 262 00:13:32,147 --> 00:13:35,583 The Body Shop um deceptive 263 00:13:35,584 --> 00:13:36,986 very lovely. 264 00:13:38,867 --> 00:13:40,016 Do you know what the body shop is? 265 00:13:40,307 --> 00:13:41,066 Nope. 266 00:13:41,067 --> 00:13:43,137 They have feelings they have politics 267 00:13:43,467 --> 00:13:44,900 they have belief systems 268 00:13:44,907 --> 00:13:46,579 they really only have one thing 269 00:13:46,827 --> 00:13:48,101 the bottom line 270 00:13:48,267 --> 00:13:50,622 How to make as much money as they can 271 00:13:50,667 --> 00:13:51,861 in any given quarter. 272 00:13:52,107 --> 00:13:52,983 That's it. 273 00:13:53,067 --> 00:13:54,898 Of course they make a profit 274 00:13:54,987 --> 00:13:56,426 and it's a good thing. 275 00:13:56,427 --> 00:13:59,180 That's the incentive that makes capitalism work. 276 00:13:59,307 --> 00:14:02,026 To give us more of the things that wanted. 277 00:14:02,467 --> 00:14:05,186 That�s the incentive that other economic systems lack. 278 00:14:05,187 --> 00:14:07,906 People accuse us of only paying attention 279 00:14:08,067 --> 00:14:09,281 to the economic leg 280 00:14:09,282 --> 00:14:10,466 because they think 281 00:14:10,467 --> 00:14:12,423 that�s what a business persons mind set is 282 00:14:12,867 --> 00:14:14,424 it's just money. 283 00:14:14,425 --> 00:14:15,981 And it's not so 284 00:14:16,227 --> 00:14:18,616 because we as business people 285 00:14:18,627 --> 00:14:22,540 know that wanted to certainly address the environment 286 00:14:22,541 --> 00:14:27,063 but also wanted to be seen as 287 00:14:27,267 --> 00:14:29,462 constructive members of society. 288 00:14:29,667 --> 00:14:33,376 There are companies that do good for the communities. 289 00:14:33,507 --> 00:14:35,259 They produce services and goods 290 00:14:35,427 --> 00:14:38,305 that are of value to all of us 291 00:14:38,307 --> 00:14:40,104 that make our lives better 292 00:14:40,227 --> 00:14:41,819 and that's a good thing. 293 00:14:42,147 --> 00:14:47,016 The problem comes in in the profit motivation here 294 00:14:47,017 --> 00:14:48,175 because these people 295 00:14:48,387 --> 00:14:51,361 there�s no such thing as enough. 296 00:14:51,362 --> 00:14:54,336 And I always counterpoint out 297 00:14:54,627 --> 00:14:56,982 there�s no organization on this planet 298 00:14:57,027 --> 00:15:00,940 that can neglect its economic foundation. 299 00:15:01,147 --> 00:15:05,060 Even someone living under a banyan tree is dependent 300 00:15:05,061 --> 00:15:07,660 on support from someone. 301 00:15:07,867 --> 00:15:11,496 Economic leg has to be addressed by everyone. 302 00:15:11,907 --> 00:15:15,266 It's not just a business issue. 303 00:15:15,267 --> 00:15:18,100 But unlike someone under a banyan tree 304 00:15:18,467 --> 00:15:19,980 all publicly traded corporations 305 00:15:19,981 --> 00:15:21,056 has been structured 306 00:15:21,347 --> 00:15:23,258 through a series of legal decisions 307 00:15:23,267 --> 00:15:27,385 to have a peculiar and disturbing characteristic. 308 00:15:27,587 --> 00:15:29,506 They are required by law 309 00:15:29,507 --> 00:15:32,101 to place the financial interests of their owners 310 00:15:32,387 --> 00:15:35,140 above competing interests. 311 00:15:35,267 --> 00:15:37,626 In fact the corporation is legally bound 312 00:15:37,627 --> 00:15:40,425 to put its bottom line ahead of everything else 313 00:15:40,507 --> 00:15:44,580 even the public good. 314 00:15:44,827 --> 00:15:45,896 That�s not a law of nature 315 00:15:46,067 --> 00:15:47,739 that's a very specific decision. 316 00:15:47,987 --> 00:15:50,217 In fact a judicial decision. 317 00:15:50,387 --> 00:15:53,266 So they�re concerned only for the short term profit 318 00:15:53,267 --> 00:15:56,179 of their stockholders who are very highly concentrated. 319 00:15:59,467 --> 00:16:04,621 To whom do these companies owe loyalty? 320 00:16:04,747 --> 00:16:06,326 What does loyalty mean? 321 00:16:06,327 --> 00:16:07,905 Well it turns out that 322 00:16:08,107 --> 00:16:10,257 that was a rather naive concept anyways 323 00:16:10,467 --> 00:16:12,866 as corporations are always owed obligation 324 00:16:12,867 --> 00:16:15,586 to themselves to get large and to get profitable. 325 00:16:15,747 --> 00:16:16,941 In doing this 326 00:16:17,187 --> 00:16:20,142 it tends to be more profitable to the extent 327 00:16:20,143 --> 00:16:23,098 it can make other people pay for the bills 328 00:16:23,227 --> 00:16:26,105 for its impact on society. 329 00:16:26,107 --> 00:16:28,382 There's a terrible word that economists use for this 330 00:16:28,507 --> 00:16:30,145 called externalities. 331 00:16:30,427 --> 00:16:35,217 An externality is the effect of a transaction 332 00:16:35,218 --> 00:16:37,382 between two individuals. 333 00:16:37,907 --> 00:16:41,217 Third party who has not consented to 334 00:16:41,267 --> 00:16:44,145 or played any role in the carrying out 335 00:16:44,147 --> 00:16:45,586 of that transaction 336 00:16:45,587 --> 00:16:47,339 And there are real problems in that area. 337 00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:51,341 There�s no doubt about it. 338 00:16:51,347 --> 00:16:54,225 Running a business is a tough proposition. 339 00:16:54,707 --> 00:16:58,825 There are costs to be minimized at every turn 340 00:16:59,027 --> 00:17:01,461 and at some point the corporation says 341 00:17:01,462 --> 00:17:03,895 you know let somebody else deal with that. 342 00:17:04,307 --> 00:17:07,299 Let's let somebody else supply the military power 343 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:09,940 to the middle east to protect the oil at its source. 344 00:17:10,067 --> 00:17:13,696 Let's let somebody else build the roads that we can drive 345 00:17:13,867 --> 00:17:15,505 these automobiles on. 346 00:17:15,787 --> 00:17:19,621 Let's let somebody else have those problems 347 00:17:19,627 --> 00:17:22,824 And that is where externalities come from 348 00:17:22,987 --> 00:17:26,263 that notion of let somebody else deal with that. 349 00:17:26,347 --> 00:17:28,746 I got all I can handle myself. 350 00:17:28,747 --> 00:17:31,136 A corporation is an externalizing machine 351 00:17:31,147 --> 00:17:34,617 in the same way that a shark is a killing machine. 352 00:17:34,987 --> 00:17:38,821 Each one is designed in a very efficient way 353 00:17:38,827 --> 00:17:41,341 to accomplish particular objectives. 354 00:17:41,707 --> 00:17:43,538 In the achievement of those objectives 355 00:17:43,627 --> 00:17:47,905 there isn�t any question of malevolence or of will. 356 00:17:47,947 --> 00:17:49,858 The enterprise has within it 357 00:17:49,867 --> 00:17:51,459 and the shark has within it 358 00:17:51,787 --> 00:17:54,096 those characteristics that enable it to do that 359 00:17:54,187 --> 00:17:56,143 for which it was designed. 360 00:17:56,227 --> 00:17:58,377 The pressure is on the corporation 361 00:17:58,507 --> 00:18:01,738 to deliver results now 362 00:18:01,827 --> 00:18:03,746 and to externalize any cost 363 00:18:03,747 --> 00:18:05,942 that this unwary or uncaring public 364 00:18:06,147 --> 00:18:08,103 will allow it to eternalize. 365 00:18:19,627 --> 00:18:21,140 To determine the kind of personality 366 00:18:21,141 --> 00:18:22,420 that drives the corporation 367 00:18:22,507 --> 00:18:24,816 to behave like an externalizing machine 368 00:18:24,907 --> 00:18:25,976 we can analyze it 369 00:18:26,347 --> 00:18:28,065 like a psychiatrist would a patient. 370 00:18:30,187 --> 00:18:32,018 We can even formulate a diagnosis 371 00:18:32,107 --> 00:18:34,575 on the basis of typical case histories of harm 372 00:18:34,576 --> 00:18:36,737 that is inflicted on others 373 00:18:36,907 --> 00:18:39,023 selected from a universe of corporate activity. 374 00:18:55,427 --> 00:18:56,382 Well this is the office 375 00:18:56,867 --> 00:18:58,786 of the national labour committee 376 00:18:58,787 --> 00:19:01,904 here in the garment area of New York City. 377 00:19:02,067 --> 00:19:05,706 It's a little bit dishevelled. 378 00:19:05,707 --> 00:19:09,302 These are all from different campaigns. 379 00:19:09,547 --> 00:19:12,619 To make this stuff concrete as possible 380 00:19:12,907 --> 00:19:16,377 we purchased all of the products from the factories 381 00:19:16,378 --> 00:19:16,746 that we're talking about. 382 00:19:16,747 --> 00:19:21,218 This shirt sells for $ 14.99. 383 00:19:21,547 --> 00:19:24,778 And the women who made this shirt got paid $ 0.03. 384 00:19:24,907 --> 00:19:27,819 Liz Claiborne jackets made in El Salvador 385 00:19:27,820 --> 00:19:30,141 The jackets are $ 178 386 00:19:30,467 --> 00:19:32,378 and the workers were paid $ 0.74 387 00:19:32,387 --> 00:19:34,139 for every jacket they made. 388 00:19:34,307 --> 00:19:36,582 Alpine car stereos $ 0.31 an hour. 389 00:19:36,707 --> 00:19:37,662 It's not just sneakers. 390 00:19:37,667 --> 00:19:38,816 It's not just apparel. 391 00:19:39,107 --> 00:19:40,984 It's everything. 392 00:19:44,227 --> 00:19:47,139 We were in Honduras 393 00:19:47,467 --> 00:19:49,901 and some workers they knew what kind of work we did 394 00:19:49,902 --> 00:19:52,222 and they approached us and said 395 00:19:52,267 --> 00:19:54,622 conditions in our factory are horrible. 396 00:19:54,667 --> 00:19:56,339 Will you please meet with us. 397 00:19:56,587 --> 00:19:57,463 And we said we would. 398 00:19:57,547 --> 00:19:59,742 But you cant meet in the developing world 399 00:19:59,947 --> 00:20:02,177 you cant walk up in a factory with your notebook 400 00:20:02,347 --> 00:20:04,099 and workers come up and interview them. 401 00:20:04,267 --> 00:20:05,416 I mean there's goons there�s spies 402 00:20:05,417 --> 00:20:05,898 the military police 403 00:20:06,187 --> 00:20:08,826 so you do everything in a clandestine manner. 404 00:20:08,827 --> 00:20:09,906 We are about to start the meeting 405 00:20:10,027 --> 00:20:11,745 and in walk three guys 406 00:20:11,947 --> 00:20:13,665 very tough looking guys. 407 00:20:13,867 --> 00:20:15,823 The company had found out about our meeting 408 00:20:15,824 --> 00:20:16,902 and sent these spies. 409 00:20:17,227 --> 00:20:18,979 Obviously we didn�t have the meeting. 410 00:20:19,067 --> 00:20:20,864 But these young girls were really bright 411 00:20:20,867 --> 00:20:22,619 And as they were leaving 412 00:20:22,787 --> 00:20:23,746 away from the eyesight of the spies 413 00:20:23,747 --> 00:20:25,942 they started to put their hands underneath the table. 414 00:20:26,147 --> 00:20:28,502 And I put my hand under there 415 00:20:28,547 --> 00:20:30,378 and they put into my hand their pay stubs. 416 00:20:30,467 --> 00:20:33,345 So wed know who they were 417 00:20:33,827 --> 00:20:34,703 what they were paid 418 00:20:34,787 --> 00:20:36,584 and the labels that they made in the factory 419 00:20:36,707 --> 00:20:38,626 so wed know who they worked for. 420 00:20:38,627 --> 00:20:41,346 So I took my hand after everyone had left. 421 00:20:41,467 --> 00:20:42,786 And in the palm of my hand 422 00:20:42,907 --> 00:20:44,579 was the face was of Kathy Lee Gifford 423 00:20:44,827 --> 00:20:46,746 And on the bottom of it was 424 00:20:46,747 --> 00:20:49,341 A portion of the proceeds from the sale of this garment 425 00:20:49,627 --> 00:20:52,585 would be donated to various children�s charities. 426 00:20:52,586 --> 00:20:54,737 Very touching gets you right here. 427 00:20:54,907 --> 00:20:56,818 Wal-Mart is telling you if you purchase these pants 428 00:20:57,307 --> 00:20:58,706 and Kathy Lee is telling you 429 00:20:58,747 --> 00:20:59,721 if you purchase these pants 430 00:20:59,722 --> 00:21:00,696 you will be helping children. 431 00:21:01,147 --> 00:21:02,466 The problem was 432 00:21:02,587 --> 00:21:04,179 the people that handed us this label 433 00:21:04,180 --> 00:21:05,346 were 13 years of age. 434 00:21:06,427 --> 00:21:10,215 Do many people in your family work here? 435 00:21:10,216 --> 00:21:11,106 Just me. 436 00:21:11,107 --> 00:21:11,425 How many people do you support? 437 00:21:11,587 --> 00:21:13,145 Eight people? 438 00:21:13,507 --> 00:21:15,577 And how do you do it with that salary is it enough? 439 00:21:15,578 --> 00:21:17,816 No. 440 00:21:19,627 --> 00:21:21,265 Let's look at it from a different point of view 441 00:21:21,547 --> 00:21:23,185 Let's look at it from a point of view 442 00:21:23,467 --> 00:21:30,259 of the people in Bangladesh who are starving to death. 443 00:21:30,260 --> 00:21:33,657 The people in China who are starving to death 444 00:21:34,027 --> 00:21:37,224 and the only thing that they have to offer to anybody 445 00:21:37,387 --> 00:21:40,805 that is worth anything 446 00:21:40,806 --> 00:21:44,106 is their low cost labour. 447 00:21:44,107 --> 00:21:47,224 And in effect what they�re saying to the world 448 00:21:47,467 --> 00:21:50,618 is they have this big flag that says 449 00:21:50,827 --> 00:21:52,746 Come over and hire us. 450 00:21:52,747 --> 00:21:55,545 We will work for $ 0.10 an hour. 451 00:21:55,627 --> 00:21:57,822 Because $ 0.10 an hour will buy us the rice 452 00:21:58,027 --> 00:22:00,825 that's wanted not to starve. 453 00:22:00,907 --> 00:22:04,980 And come and rescue us from our circumstance. 454 00:22:05,227 --> 00:22:08,586 And so when Nike comes in 455 00:22:08,587 --> 00:22:10,976 they are regarded by everybody in the community 456 00:22:10,987 --> 00:22:12,545 as an enormous godsend. 457 00:22:18,507 --> 00:22:19,496 Hey wait! 458 00:22:19,907 --> 00:22:22,421 You are not permitted to be here! 459 00:22:22,422 --> 00:22:23,057 The door was wide open. 460 00:22:23,267 --> 00:22:24,017 No no no no no. 461 00:22:24,227 --> 00:22:25,103 That�s my clothes. 462 00:22:25,107 --> 00:22:25,903 Those are my clothes. 463 00:22:26,067 --> 00:22:27,785 This is not your clothes. 464 00:22:27,987 --> 00:22:29,386 Why your camera!? 465 00:22:29,387 --> 00:22:30,536 Don�t touch the woman. 466 00:22:30,537 --> 00:22:31,382 Why!? 467 00:22:31,587 --> 00:22:33,578 This is a private company. 468 00:22:33,987 --> 00:22:37,662 Without permission how can you come here? 469 00:22:37,827 --> 00:22:40,261 Yes well the door was wide open 470 00:22:40,262 --> 00:22:42,661 The doors for employees 471 00:22:42,662 --> 00:22:44,219 not for you. 472 00:22:45,507 --> 00:22:46,781 We went through the garbage dump 473 00:22:46,947 --> 00:22:47,857 in the Dominican Republic. 474 00:22:47,907 --> 00:22:48,862 We always do this kind of stuff 475 00:22:48,867 --> 00:22:50,266 we dig around. 476 00:22:50,707 --> 00:22:53,062 One day we found a big pile 477 00:22:53,107 --> 00:22:55,462 of Nikes internal pricing documents. 478 00:22:55,507 --> 00:22:58,101 Nike assigns a time frame to each operation. 479 00:22:58,387 --> 00:23:00,218 They don�t talk about minutes. 480 00:23:00,307 --> 00:23:04,061 They break the timeframe into ten thousandths of a second. 481 00:23:04,147 --> 00:23:06,523 You get to the bottom of all 22 operations; 482 00:23:06,524 --> 00:23:08,900 they give the workers 6.6 minutes to make the shirt. 483 00:23:08,947 --> 00:23:10,938 It's $ 0.70 an hour in the Dominican Republic. 484 00:23:11,347 --> 00:23:14,464 That�s 6.6 minutes equals $ 0.08. 485 00:23:14,587 --> 00:23:15,546 These are Nikes documents. 486 00:23:15,547 --> 00:23:17,663 That means the wages come to three tenths of one percent 487 00:23:17,947 --> 00:23:19,464 of the retail price. 488 00:23:19,465 --> 00:23:20,982 This is the reality. 489 00:23:21,307 --> 00:23:23,946 It's the science of exploitation. 490 00:23:34,747 --> 00:23:37,022 What happens in the areas where these corporations 491 00:23:37,147 --> 00:23:38,375 go in and are successful? 492 00:23:38,587 --> 00:23:43,615 They soon find that they cant do anymore in that country 493 00:23:43,867 --> 00:23:47,143 because the wages are too high now. 494 00:23:47,227 --> 00:23:48,182 And what�s that another way of saying 495 00:23:48,187 --> 00:23:49,626 well the people are no longer desperate. 496 00:23:49,627 --> 00:23:52,221 So okay we�ve used up all the desperate people there 497 00:23:52,507 --> 00:23:55,305 they�re all plump and healthy and wealthy. 498 00:23:55,387 --> 00:23:59,266 Let�s move on to the next desperate lot and employ them 499 00:23:59,267 --> 00:24:00,540 and raise their level up. 500 00:24:12,147 --> 00:24:14,138 Well the whole idea of the export processing zone 501 00:24:14,547 --> 00:24:17,300 is that it will be the first step towards 502 00:24:17,307 --> 00:24:19,546 this wonderful new development 503 00:24:19,547 --> 00:24:22,141 through the investment that�s attracted to these countries 504 00:24:22,427 --> 00:24:23,860 there will be a trickle down effect 505 00:24:23,867 --> 00:24:25,061 into the communities. 506 00:24:25,307 --> 00:24:28,424 But because so many countries are now in the game 507 00:24:28,507 --> 00:24:31,021 of creating these free trade enclaves 508 00:24:31,267 --> 00:24:33,906 they have to keep providing more and more incentives 509 00:24:34,147 --> 00:24:38,982 for companies to come to their little denationalized pocket. 510 00:24:38,983 --> 00:24:41,826 And the tax holidays get longer. 511 00:24:41,827 --> 00:24:43,897 So the workers rarely make enough money 512 00:24:44,227 --> 00:24:45,660 to buy three meals a days 513 00:24:45,667 --> 00:24:47,783 let alone feed their local economy. 514 00:25:17,067 --> 00:25:20,184 Something happened in 1940 515 00:25:20,427 --> 00:25:23,783 which marked the beginning of a new era. 516 00:25:23,787 --> 00:25:29,384 The era of the ability to synthesize and create. 517 00:25:29,547 --> 00:25:32,426 On an unlimited scale 518 00:25:32,427 --> 00:25:35,021 new chemicals that had never existed before 519 00:25:35,307 --> 00:25:36,422 in the world. 520 00:25:36,747 --> 00:25:38,666 And using the magic of research 521 00:25:38,667 --> 00:25:41,022 oil companies compete with each other 522 00:25:41,067 --> 00:25:43,820 in taking the petroleum molecule apart 523 00:25:43,947 --> 00:25:47,496 and rearranging it into well you name it... 524 00:25:47,787 --> 00:25:50,064 So suddenly it became possible 525 00:25:50,065 --> 00:25:52,342 to produce any new chemical 526 00:25:52,467 --> 00:25:53,741 synthetic chemicals 527 00:25:53,907 --> 00:25:55,863 the likes of which had never existed before in the world 528 00:25:55,864 --> 00:25:58,660 for any purpose and at virtually no cost. 529 00:25:59,667 --> 00:26:05,344 Fabrics toot brushes tires insecticides 530 00:26:05,427 --> 00:26:08,339 cosmetics weed killers. 531 00:26:08,787 --> 00:26:13,941 A whole galaxy of things to make a better life on earth. 532 00:26:14,067 --> 00:26:16,297 For instance if you wanted to go to a chemist and say 533 00:26:16,298 --> 00:26:18,626 look I want to have a chemical say a pesticide 534 00:26:19,147 --> 00:26:22,026 which will persist throughout the food chain 535 00:26:22,027 --> 00:26:25,178 and I don�t want to have to renew it very very often 536 00:26:25,387 --> 00:26:28,584 Id like it to be relatively non-destructible 537 00:26:28,585 --> 00:26:30,617 and then he�d put two benzene molecules 538 00:26:30,947 --> 00:26:33,415 on the blackboard and add a chlorine here 539 00:26:33,416 --> 00:26:35,542 and a chlorine there 540 00:26:35,747 --> 00:26:36,941 that was DDT! 541 00:26:38,147 --> 00:26:40,024 When the eighth army needed Jap civilians to help them out 542 00:26:40,067 --> 00:26:41,500 in our occupation 543 00:26:41,507 --> 00:26:44,101 they called on native doctors to administer DDT 544 00:26:44,387 --> 00:26:46,184 under the supervision of our men 545 00:26:46,307 --> 00:26:48,662 to stand a potential typhus epidemic. 546 00:26:48,707 --> 00:26:51,585 Dusting like this goes a long way in checking disease 547 00:26:51,587 --> 00:26:54,579 and the laughs on them. 548 00:26:54,787 --> 00:26:56,266 "Pardon our dust" 549 00:27:06,787 --> 00:27:11,941 As the petrochemical era grew and grew 550 00:27:12,067 --> 00:27:16,822 warning signs emerged that some of these chemicals 551 00:27:16,867 --> 00:27:19,256 could pose hazards. 552 00:27:19,267 --> 00:27:23,704 The data initially were trivial anecdotal 553 00:27:24,067 --> 00:27:28,746 but gradually a body of data started accumulating 554 00:27:28,747 --> 00:27:33,377 to the extent that we now know that the synthetic chemicals 555 00:27:33,467 --> 00:27:36,140 which have permeated our workplace 556 00:27:36,347 --> 00:27:37,860 our consumer products 557 00:27:38,267 --> 00:27:40,656 our air our water 558 00:27:40,667 --> 00:27:43,704 produced cancer and also birth defects 559 00:27:43,705 --> 00:27:45,219 and some other toxic effects. 560 00:28:11,067 --> 00:28:15,060 Furthermore industry has known about this 561 00:28:15,227 --> 00:28:16,979 at least most industries have known about this 562 00:28:17,147 --> 00:28:19,581 and have attempted to trivialize these risks. 563 00:28:25,787 --> 00:28:28,938 If I take a gun and shoot you that�s criminal. 564 00:28:29,147 --> 00:28:31,466 If I expose you to some chemicals 565 00:28:31,467 --> 00:28:33,786 which knowingly are going to kill you 566 00:28:33,947 --> 00:28:35,380 what difference is there? 567 00:28:35,867 --> 00:28:37,744 The difference is that it takes longer to kill you. 568 00:28:40,467 --> 00:28:43,937 We are now in the midst of a major cancer epidemic 569 00:28:43,938 --> 00:28:45,977 and I have no doubt 570 00:28:46,227 --> 00:28:49,139 and I have documented the basis for this 571 00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:52,986 that industry is largely responsible 572 00:28:53,427 --> 00:28:57,181 for this overwhelming epidemic of cancer 573 00:28:57,267 --> 00:29:01,226 in which one in every two men get cancer in their lifetimes 574 00:29:01,227 --> 00:29:04,497 and one in every three women get cancer. 575 00:29:21,267 --> 00:29:23,861 Towards the end of 1989 576 00:29:24,147 --> 00:29:26,946 a great box of documents arrived at my office 577 00:29:26,947 --> 00:29:29,746 without any indication where they came from. 578 00:29:29,907 --> 00:29:32,421 And I opened them 579 00:29:32,787 --> 00:29:35,745 and found in it a complete set of Monsanto files 580 00:29:35,746 --> 00:29:40,866 dealing with toxicological testing of cows 581 00:29:40,867 --> 00:29:42,425 who�d been given RBGH. 582 00:29:42,707 --> 00:29:45,744 BST trade name Posilac is being used in more than 583 00:29:46,067 --> 00:29:48,422 a quarter of the dairy herds in the United States 584 00:29:48,467 --> 00:29:49,906 according to Monsanto. 585 00:29:49,907 --> 00:29:52,216 The milk is being drunk by a large portion 586 00:29:52,307 --> 00:29:53,899 of the American population 587 00:29:54,227 --> 00:29:56,104 since the food and drug administration declared it safe 588 00:29:56,147 --> 00:29:58,066 for both cows and humans... 589 00:29:58,067 --> 00:29:59,978 And at that the Monsanto was saying 590 00:29:59,987 --> 00:30:01,215 There�s no evidence whatsoever 591 00:30:01,427 --> 00:30:02,621 of any adverse affects 592 00:30:02,867 --> 00:30:04,505 We don�t use antibiotics. 593 00:30:04,787 --> 00:30:08,416 And this clearly showed that they had lied 594 00:30:08,417 --> 00:30:10,024 through their teeth. 595 00:30:16,227 --> 00:30:18,741 The files described areas of chronic inflammation 596 00:30:18,742 --> 00:30:20,458 in the heart lungs kidneys spleen 597 00:30:20,547 --> 00:30:22,458 also reproductive effects 598 00:30:22,787 --> 00:30:26,746 also a whole series of other problems. 599 00:30:28,067 --> 00:30:29,944 ...the most comprehensive independent assessment of the drug 600 00:30:29,987 --> 00:30:33,582 "concludes that bust results in un necessary pain 601 00:30:33,827 --> 00:30:36,226 suffering and distress for the cows. 602 00:30:36,227 --> 00:30:38,821 This is not acceptable for a drug designed simply 603 00:30:39,107 --> 00:30:42,144 to increase milk production... 604 00:30:42,467 --> 00:30:44,386 It is a silly product. 605 00:30:44,387 --> 00:30:46,981 We have the industrial world is a wash in milk. 606 00:30:47,267 --> 00:30:48,586 We're over producing milk. 607 00:30:48,707 --> 00:30:50,618 We actually have governments around the world 608 00:30:50,627 --> 00:30:53,505 who pay farmers not to produce milk. 609 00:30:53,507 --> 00:30:55,737 So the first product Monsanto comes up with 610 00:30:55,907 --> 00:30:59,058 is a product that produces more of what we don�t need. 611 00:30:59,267 --> 00:31:03,545 Of course you�ll want to inject Posilac in every eligible cow 612 00:31:03,587 --> 00:31:07,023 as each cow is not treated is a lost income opportunity. 613 00:31:07,427 --> 00:31:08,386 But the problem was 614 00:31:08,387 --> 00:31:10,343 that use of the artificial hormone 615 00:31:10,787 --> 00:31:13,620 caused all sorts of problems for the cows. 616 00:31:13,667 --> 00:31:15,586 It caused something called mastitis 617 00:31:15,587 --> 00:31:20,103 which is a very painful infection of the udders. 618 00:31:20,267 --> 00:31:21,302 When you milk the cow 619 00:31:21,707 --> 00:31:23,425 if the cow has bad mastitis 620 00:31:23,426 --> 00:31:23,943 some of the 621 00:31:24,107 --> 00:31:25,301 and I don�t know how to say this in a you know 622 00:31:25,547 --> 00:31:27,906 I hope people aren�t watching at dinnertime 623 00:31:27,907 --> 00:31:30,265 but the pus from the infection of the udders 624 00:31:30,347 --> 00:31:31,541 ends up in the milk. 625 00:31:31,787 --> 00:31:33,743 And the somatic cell count they call it 626 00:31:34,187 --> 00:31:35,146 the bacteria count 627 00:31:35,147 --> 00:31:37,900 inside your milk goes up. 628 00:31:37,987 --> 00:31:40,581 There�s accost to the cows. 629 00:31:40,867 --> 00:31:44,257 The cows get sicker when they�re injected with RBGH. 630 00:31:44,258 --> 00:31:47,424 They�re injected with antibiotics. 631 00:31:47,587 --> 00:31:50,897 We know that people are consuming antibiotics 632 00:31:50,947 --> 00:31:52,175 through their food 633 00:31:52,387 --> 00:31:54,025 and we know that that�s contributing 634 00:31:54,307 --> 00:31:57,105 to antibiotic resistant bacteria and diseases. 635 00:31:57,187 --> 00:31:58,984 And we know we're at a crisis when somebody can go 636 00:31:59,107 --> 00:32:01,416 into a hospital and get a staff infection 637 00:32:01,507 --> 00:32:03,657 and it cant be cured and they die. 638 00:32:03,907 --> 00:32:05,826 That�s a crisis. 639 00:32:05,827 --> 00:32:07,021 Bad for the cow 640 00:32:07,267 --> 00:32:09,019 Bad for the farmer 641 00:32:09,187 --> 00:32:11,257 Bad potentially for the consumer 642 00:32:11,587 --> 00:32:12,546 The jury is out 643 00:32:12,547 --> 00:32:14,424 we see a lot of conflicting evidence 644 00:32:14,947 --> 00:32:16,503 about potential health risk. 645 00:32:16,504 --> 00:32:18,059 And of course as a consumer 646 00:32:18,307 --> 00:32:20,582 my belief is why should I take any risk? 647 00:32:25,987 --> 00:32:27,978 Factory farm cows have not been the only victims 648 00:32:28,387 --> 00:32:30,662 of Monsanto products. 649 00:32:30,787 --> 00:32:34,416 Large areas of Vietnam were deforested by the us military 650 00:32:34,417 --> 00:32:35,865 using Monsanto�s agent orange. 651 00:32:39,427 --> 00:32:41,065 The toxic herbicide reportedly caused 652 00:32:41,347 --> 00:32:43,746 over 50000 birth defects 653 00:32:43,747 --> 00:32:47,899 and hundreds of thousands of cancers in Vietnamese civilians and soldiers 654 00:32:48,067 --> 00:32:52,663 and in former American troops serving in South East Asia. 655 00:32:52,867 --> 00:32:54,786 Unlike the Vietnamese victims 656 00:32:54,787 --> 00:32:57,506 U. S. Vietnam war veterans exposed to Agent Orange 657 00:32:57,667 --> 00:33:01,979 were able to sue Monsanto for causing their illnesses. 658 00:33:02,427 --> 00:33:04,179 Monsanto settled out of court 659 00:33:04,347 --> 00:33:07,706 paying $80 million in damages. 660 00:33:07,707 --> 00:33:10,175 But it never admitted guilt 661 00:33:32,667 --> 00:33:36,216 Sleeping in a motel in Brewer Maine one night 662 00:33:36,217 --> 00:33:37,585 I woke up with terrible hay fever 663 00:33:37,947 --> 00:33:39,141 and my eyes were burning. 664 00:33:39,387 --> 00:33:40,740 And I looked out at the river 665 00:33:40,827 --> 00:33:42,658 and there were great mounds of white foam 666 00:33:42,747 --> 00:33:44,465 going right down the river. 667 00:33:44,467 --> 00:33:45,695 And the next morning I got up and I said 668 00:33:45,907 --> 00:33:47,340 My God what was that happening last night 669 00:33:47,347 --> 00:33:48,541 He said "Oh that�s just the river". 670 00:33:48,627 --> 00:33:49,586 And I said "what do you mean?" 671 00:33:49,587 --> 00:33:51,100 He said "Well look every night the paper company sends 672 00:33:51,507 --> 00:33:53,426 the stuff down the river." 673 00:33:53,427 --> 00:33:54,746 And I said "What are you talking about?" 674 00:33:54,867 --> 00:33:56,186 And he said "Don�t you understand?" 675 00:33:56,307 --> 00:33:59,538 "That show we get rid of the effluent from the paper mills." 676 00:33:59,667 --> 00:34:01,578 Well I knew at that time I had been in the business. 677 00:34:02,067 --> 00:34:04,456 I had sold oil to the paper mills. 678 00:34:04,467 --> 00:34:05,424 I knew all the owners. 679 00:34:05,425 --> 00:34:06,382 I had been in politics. 680 00:34:06,387 --> 00:34:07,456 I knew the people in the towns. 681 00:34:07,827 --> 00:34:10,944 I knew not one constituent of the paper mills 682 00:34:10,945 --> 00:34:13,096 wanted to have the river polluted. 683 00:34:13,587 --> 00:34:15,506 And yet here the river was being polluted. 684 00:34:15,507 --> 00:34:19,102 And it was more or less as if we created a doom machine. 685 00:34:19,347 --> 00:34:22,305 In our search for wealth and for prosperity 686 00:34:22,547 --> 00:34:24,265 we created something that�s going to destroy us. 687 00:34:31,667 --> 00:34:34,306 The traders who are involved in the market 688 00:34:34,547 --> 00:34:35,775 are not guys who are 689 00:34:35,987 --> 00:34:36,746 whose moral fibre 690 00:34:36,747 --> 00:34:38,544 when it comes to environmental conditions 691 00:34:38,667 --> 00:34:41,704 are going to be rattled at all 692 00:34:42,027 --> 00:34:44,382 They�re seeing dollars and they�re making money. 693 00:34:44,427 --> 00:34:46,463 Brokers don�t stay away from copper 694 00:34:46,627 --> 00:34:48,902 because it violates their religious beliefs 695 00:34:49,027 --> 00:34:51,746 or your environmental policies. 696 00:34:51,907 --> 00:34:53,181 No. 697 00:34:53,347 --> 00:34:54,666 There are times when you think about it 698 00:34:54,787 --> 00:34:58,146 but it's fleeting. 699 00:34:58,147 --> 00:34:59,580 It really is a fleeting moment. 700 00:34:59,587 --> 00:35:01,623 It's like yeah oh yeah yeah 701 00:35:01,987 --> 00:35:04,182 well a town is being polluted down there in Peru 702 00:35:04,387 --> 00:35:07,026 but hey this guy needs to buy some copper. 703 00:35:07,267 --> 00:35:10,623 I�m getting paid a commission too. 704 00:35:10,627 --> 00:35:13,539 Our information that we receive does not include anything 705 00:35:13,540 --> 00:35:14,946 about the environmental conditions 706 00:35:14,947 --> 00:35:16,903 because until the environmental conditions 707 00:35:17,307 --> 00:35:20,140 become a commodity themselves or are being traded 708 00:35:20,187 --> 00:35:23,623 then obviously we will not have anything to do with that. 709 00:35:23,624 --> 00:35:26,619 It doesn�t come into our psyche at all. 710 00:35:26,747 --> 00:35:29,341 It's so far away and it's you hardly hear 711 00:35:29,627 --> 00:35:30,586 anything about it. 712 00:35:30,587 --> 00:35:32,339 I mean keep in mind there are things going on right in our 713 00:35:32,507 --> 00:35:35,658 backyards for god sake. 714 00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:37,306 We trade live hogs. 715 00:35:37,307 --> 00:35:39,582 I mean there are so many pigs in the state of Carolina 716 00:35:39,707 --> 00:35:41,299 and they�re polluting the rivers 717 00:35:41,627 --> 00:35:44,858 but how often do you find out about that? 718 00:35:50,267 --> 00:35:53,241 At Multinational Monitor we�ve put together a list 719 00:35:53,242 --> 00:35:56,216 of the top corporate criminals of the 1990s. 720 00:35:56,507 --> 00:35:59,863 We went back and looked at all the criminal fines that 721 00:35:59,867 --> 00:36:02,700 corporations had paid in the decade. 722 00:36:03,107 --> 00:36:06,941 Exxon pled guilty in connection to federal criminal charges 723 00:36:06,947 --> 00:36:11,737 with the Valdez spill and paid $ 125 million in criminal fines. 724 00:36:11,747 --> 00:36:12,623 General Electric 725 00:36:12,707 --> 00:36:14,186 was guilty of defrauding the federal government 726 00:36:14,187 --> 00:36:17,822 and paid $ 9.5 million in criminal fines. 727 00:36:17,987 --> 00:36:20,626 Chevron was guilty of environmental violations 728 00:36:20,867 --> 00:36:22,698 and paid $ 6.5 million in fines. 729 00:36:22,787 --> 00:36:24,982 Mitsubishi was guilty of anti-trust violations 730 00:36:25,187 --> 00:36:26,146 and paid $ 1.8 million in fines. 731 00:36:26,147 --> 00:36:28,866 IBM was guilty of illegal exports and paid. 732 00:36:29,347 --> 00:36:32,100 Eastman Kodak was guilty of environmental violations. 733 00:36:32,101 --> 00:36:33,745 Pfizer the drug manufacturer 734 00:36:33,947 --> 00:36:38,179 was guilty of antitrust violations. 735 00:36:38,227 --> 00:36:39,740 Odwalla was guilty of food and drug regulatory violations. 736 00:36:39,741 --> 00:36:41,976 Sears was guilty of... 737 00:36:42,067 --> 00:36:44,376 Damon Clinical Laboratories was guilty of... 738 00:36:44,467 --> 00:36:45,946 Blue Cross Blue Shield was guilty of 739 00:37:02,227 --> 00:37:03,626 Again and again we have the problem 740 00:37:03,987 --> 00:37:06,296 that whether you obey the law or not 741 00:37:06,387 --> 00:37:08,821 is a matter whether its cost effective. 742 00:37:08,822 --> 00:37:10,106 If the chance of getting caught 743 00:37:10,227 --> 00:37:14,664 and the penalties are less than it costs to comply 744 00:37:15,027 --> 00:37:17,382 people think of it as just a business decision. 745 00:37:19,827 --> 00:37:22,864 Drawing the metaphor of the early attempts to fly. 746 00:37:33,547 --> 00:37:37,506 Theban going off of a very high cliff in his airplane 747 00:37:37,507 --> 00:37:38,661 with the wings flapping 748 00:37:38,827 --> 00:37:40,624 and the guys flapping the wings 749 00:37:40,747 --> 00:37:42,586 and the wind is in his face 750 00:37:42,587 --> 00:37:44,623 and this poor fool think she�s flying 751 00:37:44,987 --> 00:37:47,101 but in fact he�s in freefall 752 00:37:47,102 --> 00:37:49,216 and he just doesn�t know it yet 753 00:37:49,307 --> 00:37:51,423 because the ground is so far away 754 00:37:51,707 --> 00:37:54,699 but of course the craft is doomed to crash. 755 00:37:58,907 --> 00:38:00,306 That�s the way our civilization is 756 00:38:00,347 --> 00:38:01,496 the very high cliff 757 00:38:01,707 --> 00:38:05,063 represents the virtually united resources 758 00:38:05,067 --> 00:38:08,264 we seem to have when we began this journey. 759 00:38:08,427 --> 00:38:10,895 The craft isn�t flying 760 00:38:11,307 --> 00:38:14,663 because it's not built according to the laws of aerodynamics 761 00:38:14,667 --> 00:38:17,022 and is subject to the law of gravity. 762 00:38:17,067 --> 00:38:18,506 Civilization is not flying 763 00:38:18,507 --> 00:38:22,386 because it's not built according to the laws of aerodynamics 764 00:38:22,827 --> 00:38:25,226 for civilizations that would fly. 765 00:38:25,227 --> 00:38:27,946 And of course the ground is still a long way away 766 00:38:28,107 --> 00:38:31,656 but some people have seen that ground rushing up 767 00:38:31,947 --> 00:38:33,778 sooner than the rest of us have. 768 00:38:33,867 --> 00:38:37,303 The visionaries have seen it and have told us its coming. 769 00:38:40,107 --> 00:38:42,986 There�s not a single scientific 770 00:38:42,987 --> 00:38:46,821 peer reviewed paper published in the last 25years 771 00:38:46,827 --> 00:38:52,936 that would contradict this scenario 772 00:38:53,427 --> 00:38:56,066 Every living system of earth 773 00:38:56,107 --> 00:38:57,066 is in decline 774 00:38:57,067 --> 00:39:00,980 every life support system of earth is in decline 775 00:39:01,387 --> 00:39:04,266 and these together constitute the biosphere 776 00:39:04,267 --> 00:39:07,806 the biosphere that supports and nurtures all of life 777 00:39:07,807 --> 00:39:11,346 not just our life but perhaps 30 million other species 778 00:39:11,667 --> 00:39:13,658 that share this planet with us. 779 00:39:19,227 --> 00:39:22,185 The typical company of the 20th century 780 00:39:22,267 --> 00:39:25,418 extractive wasteful abusive linear 781 00:39:25,419 --> 00:39:27,138 in all of its processes 782 00:39:27,547 --> 00:39:28,866 taking from the earth 783 00:39:28,987 --> 00:39:31,666 making wasting sending its products 784 00:39:31,667 --> 00:39:33,976 back to the biosphere waste to a landfill... 785 00:39:37,907 --> 00:39:41,183 I myself was amazed to learn just how much stuff 786 00:39:41,267 --> 00:39:46,660 the earth has to produce through our extraction process 787 00:39:47,147 --> 00:39:49,900 to produce a dollar of revenue for our company. 788 00:39:49,901 --> 00:39:51,503 When I learnt I was flabbergasted. 789 00:39:59,547 --> 00:40:04,063 We are leaving a terrible legacy of poison 790 00:40:04,064 --> 00:40:08,622 and diminishment of the environment 791 00:40:08,627 --> 00:40:12,461 for our grandchildren�s grandchildren 792 00:40:12,947 --> 00:40:15,780 generations not yet born. 793 00:40:15,827 --> 00:40:18,660 Some people have called that intergeneration tyranny 794 00:40:18,707 --> 00:40:22,383 a form of taxation without representation 795 00:40:22,384 --> 00:40:26,060 levied by us on generations yet to be. 796 00:40:29,267 --> 00:40:31,542 It's the wrong thing to do. 797 00:40:34,987 --> 00:40:36,818 One of the questions that comes up periodically 798 00:40:36,907 --> 00:40:40,183 is to what extent could corporation be considered 799 00:40:40,267 --> 00:40:42,986 to be psychopathic. 800 00:40:43,147 --> 00:40:45,866 And if we look at a corporation as a legal person 801 00:40:46,027 --> 00:40:48,386 that it may not be that difficult to actually draw 802 00:40:48,387 --> 00:40:50,745 the transition between psychopathy in the individual 803 00:40:50,827 --> 00:40:53,466 to psychopathy in a corporation. 804 00:40:53,707 --> 00:40:55,140 We could go through the characteristics 805 00:40:55,147 --> 00:40:57,945 that define this particular disorder one by one 806 00:40:58,027 --> 00:41:00,939 and see how they might apply to corporations. 807 00:41:09,507 --> 00:41:11,304 They would have all the characteristics 808 00:41:11,427 --> 00:41:13,338 and in fact in many respects 809 00:41:13,827 --> 00:41:15,146 the corporation of that sort 810 00:41:15,267 --> 00:41:17,701 is the proto typical of a psychopath. 811 00:41:23,467 --> 00:41:26,106 If the dominant institution of our time has been created 812 00:41:26,347 --> 00:41:28,178 in the image of a psychopath 813 00:41:28,267 --> 00:41:31,225 who bears moral responsibility for its actions? 814 00:41:33,547 --> 00:41:36,300 Can a building have moral opinions? 815 00:41:36,787 --> 00:41:39,540 Can a building have social responsibility? 816 00:41:39,667 --> 00:41:42,022 If a building cant have social responsibility 817 00:41:42,067 --> 00:41:44,466 what does it mean to say a corporation can? 818 00:41:44,467 --> 00:41:49,336 A corporation is simply an artificial legal structure 819 00:41:49,587 --> 00:41:51,339 but the people who are engaged in it 820 00:41:51,507 --> 00:41:53,145 whether the stockholder 821 00:41:53,427 --> 00:41:55,418 whether the executives in it 822 00:41:55,419 --> 00:41:57,065 whether the employees 823 00:41:57,267 --> 00:41:59,098 they all have moral responsibilities. 824 00:42:03,027 --> 00:42:05,302 It's a fair assumption that every human being 825 00:42:05,347 --> 00:42:06,336 real human beings 826 00:42:06,337 --> 00:42:07,217 flesh and blood ones 827 00:42:07,267 --> 00:42:08,541 not corporations 828 00:42:08,707 --> 00:42:11,858 but every flesh and blood human being is a moral person. 829 00:42:12,067 --> 00:42:13,978 You know we've got the same genes 830 00:42:13,987 --> 00:42:15,500 we're more or less the same 831 00:42:15,787 --> 00:42:18,859 but our nature 832 00:42:19,147 --> 00:42:20,106 the nature of humans 833 00:42:20,107 --> 00:42:21,699 allows all kinds of behaviour. 834 00:42:22,027 --> 00:42:24,963 I mean everyone of us under some circumstances 835 00:42:24,964 --> 00:42:27,899 could be a gas chamber attendant and a saint. 836 00:42:32,587 --> 00:42:37,103 No job in my experience with Goodyear 837 00:42:37,267 --> 00:42:40,862 has been as frustrating as the CEO job. 838 00:42:41,107 --> 00:42:43,706 Because even though the perception is 839 00:42:43,707 --> 00:42:46,305 that you have absolute power to do whatever you want 840 00:42:46,306 --> 00:42:49,025 the reality is you don�t have that power 841 00:42:49,587 --> 00:42:52,465 and so metes if you had really free hand 842 00:42:52,467 --> 00:42:54,901 if you really did what you wanted to do 843 00:42:54,902 --> 00:42:58,382 that suits your personal thoughts 844 00:42:58,707 --> 00:43:01,386 and your personal priorities you�d act differently. 845 00:43:01,387 --> 00:43:04,065 But as a CEOm you cannot do that 846 00:43:04,387 --> 00:43:06,855 Layoff shave become so wide-spread 847 00:43:06,856 --> 00:43:09,938 that people tend to believe that 848 00:43:10,147 --> 00:43:12,217 CEOs make these decisions 849 00:43:12,547 --> 00:43:15,664 without any consideration to the human implications 850 00:43:15,665 --> 00:43:16,701 of their decisions 851 00:43:16,827 --> 00:43:21,218 It is never a decision that any CEO makes lightly. 852 00:43:21,627 --> 00:43:24,986 It is a tough decision. 853 00:43:24,987 --> 00:43:31,540 But it is the consequence of modern capitalism 854 00:43:31,707 --> 00:43:33,060 When you look at a corporation 855 00:43:33,147 --> 00:43:36,219 just like when you look at a slave owner 856 00:43:36,507 --> 00:43:38,418 you want to distinguish between the institution 857 00:43:38,427 --> 00:43:40,179 and the individual. 858 00:43:40,347 --> 00:43:44,738 So slavery for example or other forms of tyranny 859 00:43:44,739 --> 00:43:47,056 are inherently monstrous 860 00:43:47,067 --> 00:43:49,137 but the individuals participating in them 861 00:43:49,467 --> 00:43:51,662 may be the nicest guys you could imagine 862 00:43:51,867 --> 00:43:55,098 benevolent friendly nice to their children 863 00:43:55,227 --> 00:44:00,176 even nice to their slaves caring about other people. 864 00:44:00,177 --> 00:44:03,815 I mean as individuals they may be anything. 865 00:44:03,867 --> 00:44:06,017 In their institutional role they're monsters 866 00:44:06,267 --> 00:44:08,462 because the institution is monstrous. 867 00:44:08,667 --> 00:44:10,146 Then the same is true here. 868 00:44:11,547 --> 00:44:15,506 My wife and l some years ago had a tour home 869 00:44:15,867 --> 00:44:17,603 a demonstration. 870 00:44:17,604 --> 00:44:19,339 25 people arrived 871 00:44:19,667 --> 00:44:22,135 they hung a big banner on the top of our house 872 00:44:22,136 --> 00:44:23,625 saying murderers 873 00:44:23,947 --> 00:44:26,336 they danced around outside with gasmasks and so on. 874 00:45:02,627 --> 00:45:05,044 As a public demonstration it wasn�t very effective 875 00:45:05,045 --> 00:45:07,461 due to the fact that this is a very rural area 876 00:45:07,462 --> 00:45:08,064 two people and a dog 877 00:45:08,387 --> 00:45:09,661 and it's not a very big house 878 00:45:09,827 --> 00:45:11,465 which I think rather surprised them 879 00:45:11,747 --> 00:45:13,738 but then we sat down and talked to them 880 00:45:13,739 --> 00:45:16,066 for a couple of hours 881 00:45:16,067 --> 00:45:17,216 and we gave them tea and coffee 882 00:45:17,507 --> 00:45:19,145 and they had lunch on our lawn. 883 00:45:34,787 --> 00:45:37,096 After about 20 minutes they said 884 00:45:37,187 --> 00:45:39,701 Well the problem is not you. It's Shell. 885 00:45:40,067 --> 00:45:42,581 And I said now wait a minute lets talk about 886 00:45:42,787 --> 00:45:44,140 what is Shell? 887 00:45:44,227 --> 00:45:45,666 It's made up of people like me. 888 00:45:45,667 --> 00:45:48,022 In the end what we found in that discussion 889 00:45:48,067 --> 00:45:49,944 were all the things they we're worried about 890 00:45:49,987 --> 00:45:51,500 I was worried about as well 891 00:45:51,907 --> 00:45:56,139 climate oppressive regimes human rights 892 00:45:56,227 --> 00:45:58,626 the big difference between us was 893 00:45:58,627 --> 00:46:01,505 I feel that I can actually make a contributions to this 894 00:46:01,507 --> 00:46:02,940 these people were frustrated 895 00:46:03,427 --> 00:46:06,146 because they felt that they had no nothing to do. 896 00:46:06,307 --> 00:46:09,140 So an individual CEO lets say 897 00:46:09,187 --> 00:46:11,906 may really care about the environment 898 00:46:11,907 --> 00:46:12,542 and in fact 899 00:46:13,027 --> 00:46:14,946 since they have such extraordinary resources 900 00:46:14,947 --> 00:46:17,381 they can even devote some of their resources to that 901 00:46:17,382 --> 00:46:20,259 without violating their responsibility 902 00:46:20,707 --> 00:46:24,097 to be totally inhuman 903 00:46:24,098 --> 00:46:24,977 which is why 904 00:46:25,027 --> 00:46:27,621 as the Moody Starts serve tea to protestors 905 00:46:27,907 --> 00:46:31,695 Shell Nigeria can flare unrivalled amounts of gas 906 00:46:31,747 --> 00:46:35,865 making it of the worlds single worst sources of pollution. 907 00:46:35,947 --> 00:46:39,243 And all the professed concerns about the environment 908 00:46:39,244 --> 00:46:42,540 do not spare Ken Saro Wiwa and eight other activists 909 00:46:42,907 --> 00:46:46,343 from being hung for opposing Shells environment practices 910 00:46:46,344 --> 00:46:47,541 in the Niger Delta. 911 00:46:57,067 --> 00:46:58,341 The corporation is not a person 912 00:46:58,507 --> 00:46:58,986 it doesn�t think. 913 00:46:58,987 --> 00:47:00,340 People in it think 914 00:47:00,427 --> 00:47:04,943 and for them it is legitimate to create terminator technology. 915 00:47:05,027 --> 00:47:08,542 So that farmers are not able to save their seeds. 916 00:47:08,867 --> 00:47:12,985 Seeds that will destroy themselves 917 00:47:13,187 --> 00:47:15,257 through a suicide gene. 918 00:47:15,387 --> 00:47:20,541 Seeds that are designed to only produce crop in one season. 919 00:47:20,667 --> 00:47:23,066 You really need to have a brutal mind. 920 00:47:23,067 --> 00:47:27,379 It's a war against evolution to even think in those terms. 921 00:47:27,387 --> 00:47:31,619 But quite clearly profits are so much higher in their minds 922 00:47:33,627 --> 00:47:35,066 The profit motive which drove Klutzy 923 00:47:35,067 --> 00:47:37,661 to accomplish so much may bring out the evil 924 00:47:37,947 --> 00:47:43,340 as well as the good... 925 00:47:43,341 --> 00:47:44,785 Hellooo? 926 00:47:47,387 --> 00:47:49,266 My work spans all industry sectors 927 00:47:49,267 --> 00:47:51,781 I mean I virtually have worked for like Id say 928 00:47:51,987 --> 00:47:55,662 25 percent of the fortune 500. 929 00:47:55,827 --> 00:47:58,216 I�ve posed as an investment banker. 930 00:47:58,227 --> 00:48:01,537 I�ve posed as a venture capitalist. 931 00:48:01,587 --> 00:48:03,657 I�ve set up front companies 932 00:48:03,987 --> 00:48:08,617 that are executive recruiting firms. 933 00:48:08,787 --> 00:48:11,426 Essentially I�m a spy. 934 00:48:13,587 --> 00:48:16,226 I'll locate your employees 935 00:48:16,467 --> 00:48:18,378 and I will tell them that I�m calling 936 00:48:18,387 --> 00:48:20,105 from Acme Recruiting Agency 937 00:48:20,307 --> 00:48:22,616 and that I�ve got a job that pays them 938 00:48:22,707 --> 00:48:24,857 considerably more than what they�re paying. 939 00:48:25,107 --> 00:48:28,224 Would they mind meeting me for an interview? 940 00:48:28,467 --> 00:48:29,900 And when the executive shows up 941 00:48:29,907 --> 00:48:31,101 what he doesn�t realize is 942 00:48:31,347 --> 00:48:35,056 I�m actually debriefing him on behalf of a competitor. 943 00:48:35,187 --> 00:48:37,337 That there is no job and that the office 944 00:48:37,338 --> 00:48:38,825 that he�s at has been rented 945 00:48:39,027 --> 00:48:43,623 and the picture on my desk of my family is a phoney 946 00:48:43,827 --> 00:48:46,706 and it's all just a big elaborate ruse 947 00:48:46,707 --> 00:48:52,100 to glean competitive information from him. 948 00:48:52,467 --> 00:48:53,786 I don�t feel any guilt. 949 00:48:53,907 --> 00:48:58,059 It's you know what I mean you have to expect 950 00:48:58,227 --> 00:49:00,377 that guys like me are out there. 951 00:49:03,027 --> 00:49:05,382 We're predators. 952 00:49:11,667 --> 00:49:14,101 It's about competition it's about market share 953 00:49:14,547 --> 00:49:16,466 it's about being aggressive 954 00:49:16,467 --> 00:49:18,621 and it's about shareholder value. 955 00:49:18,622 --> 00:49:20,776 What is your stock at today? 956 00:49:21,267 --> 00:49:24,065 If you�re a CEO 957 00:49:24,147 --> 00:49:28,466 I mean do you think your shareholders really care 958 00:49:28,467 --> 00:49:31,061 whether you�re Billie Buttercup or not? 959 00:49:31,062 --> 00:49:32,619 Do you think that they really 960 00:49:32,787 --> 00:49:35,426 they would prefer you to be a nice guy? 961 00:49:35,667 --> 00:49:38,625 Over having money in their pocket? 962 00:49:38,626 --> 00:49:40,105 I don�t think so. 963 00:49:40,467 --> 00:49:41,786 I think people want money. 964 00:49:41,907 --> 00:49:43,704 That�s the bottom line. 965 00:49:43,827 --> 00:49:46,182 The fact that most of these companies are run 966 00:49:46,227 --> 00:49:48,058 by white men white rich men 967 00:49:48,147 --> 00:49:50,263 means that they are out of touch 968 00:49:50,547 --> 00:49:52,466 with what the majority of the world is. 969 00:49:52,467 --> 00:49:53,980 Because the majority of this planet 970 00:49:53,981 --> 00:49:56,296 are not a bunch of rich white guys. 971 00:49:56,787 --> 00:49:58,186 They are people of other colours 972 00:49:58,227 --> 00:49:59,605 they are the majority. 973 00:49:59,606 --> 00:50:00,984 Women are the majority 974 00:50:01,107 --> 00:50:03,143 the poor and working poor 975 00:50:03,507 --> 00:50:05,782 make up the majority of this planet. 976 00:50:05,907 --> 00:50:08,306 So the decisions they make 977 00:50:08,307 --> 00:50:14,223 come from not the reality that exists in the world. 978 00:50:14,347 --> 00:50:15,575 How much is enough? 979 00:50:15,787 --> 00:50:16,981 How much is enough? 980 00:50:17,227 --> 00:50:18,945 If you are a billionaire 981 00:50:19,147 --> 00:50:20,546 would it be okay just to be a half a billionaire? 982 00:50:20,587 --> 00:50:23,385 Wouldn�t it be okay for your company 983 00:50:23,467 --> 00:50:24,741 to make a little less money... 984 00:50:24,907 --> 00:50:27,216 When I bought those two airplane tickets 985 00:50:27,307 --> 00:50:30,458 for Phil Knight and myself to fly to Indonesia 986 00:50:30,467 --> 00:50:34,221 I was prepared for him to say okay lets go. 987 00:50:34,307 --> 00:50:35,945 Oh no not a chance 988 00:50:36,227 --> 00:50:36,784 Not a chance. 989 00:50:36,785 --> 00:50:37,617 No? 990 00:50:37,667 --> 00:50:38,463 They�re transferable. 991 00:50:38,627 --> 00:50:39,696 I can change it to another day. 992 00:50:40,067 --> 00:50:40,922 And call me on it. 993 00:50:40,923 --> 00:50:41,777 Call my bluff. 994 00:50:41,987 --> 00:50:42,942 He�s a smart guy. 995 00:50:42,947 --> 00:50:44,266 I mean he�s not he�s not stupid. 996 00:50:44,387 --> 00:50:46,139 And so I thought okay get ready for this. 997 00:50:46,307 --> 00:50:49,060 Especially because you know I bought first-class tickets. 998 00:50:49,187 --> 00:50:52,103 So you know it would be a comfortable ride at least 999 00:50:52,104 --> 00:50:55,020 you know and of course he tells me then on camera. 1000 00:50:55,427 --> 00:50:57,657 I�ve never been to Indonesia. 1001 00:50:57,747 --> 00:50:59,738 And I�m like taken aback by this. 1002 00:50:59,739 --> 00:51:00,463 I cant believe it. 1003 00:51:00,627 --> 00:51:01,821 The guys the head of the company 1004 00:51:02,067 --> 00:51:04,297 he�s never walked through his own factories. 1005 00:51:04,467 --> 00:51:05,426 Oh you�ve got to go. 1006 00:51:05,427 --> 00:51:08,021 I cant go right now and the rest of this year. 1007 00:51:08,307 --> 00:51:10,383 When we were done filming he calls me up 1008 00:51:10,384 --> 00:51:12,459 a couple of weeks later and he goes 1009 00:51:12,627 --> 00:51:17,655 I may have a chance to go there with you to the factories. 1010 00:51:17,707 --> 00:51:23,703 I�m going to the Australian Open to watch some tennis. 1011 00:51:23,907 --> 00:51:28,378 and uh you know maybe I can get up there 1012 00:51:28,707 --> 00:51:31,505 or at least you can go there. 1013 00:51:31,507 --> 00:51:36,422 Would you like to go to the Australian open? 1014 00:51:36,423 --> 00:51:37,535 For 21years 1015 00:51:37,747 --> 00:51:40,420 I never gave a thought to what we were taking 1016 00:51:40,627 --> 00:51:43,699 from the earth or doing to the earth 1017 00:51:43,867 --> 00:51:45,778 in the making of our products. 1018 00:51:45,787 --> 00:51:49,146 And then in the summer of 1994 1019 00:51:49,147 --> 00:51:51,263 we began to hear questions from our customers 1020 00:51:51,547 --> 00:51:52,866 we had never heard before 1021 00:51:52,987 --> 00:51:55,945 What�s your company doing for the environment? 1022 00:51:55,946 --> 00:51:57,266 And we didn�t have answers. 1023 00:51:57,787 --> 00:52:00,096 The real answer was not very much. 1024 00:52:00,147 --> 00:52:02,820 And it really disturbed many of our people 1025 00:52:02,867 --> 00:52:05,146 not me so much as them 1026 00:52:05,147 --> 00:52:07,103 and a group in our research department 1027 00:52:07,547 --> 00:52:10,778 decided to convene a taskforce 1028 00:52:10,907 --> 00:52:13,626 and bring people from our businesses around the world 1029 00:52:13,707 --> 00:52:15,146 to come together to assess 1030 00:52:15,147 --> 00:52:17,741 our company�s world wide environment position 1031 00:52:18,027 --> 00:52:20,906 to begin to frame answers for those customers. 1032 00:52:20,907 --> 00:52:23,705 They asked me if I would come and speak to that group 1033 00:52:24,267 --> 00:52:25,706 and give them a kick off speech 1034 00:52:25,707 --> 00:52:30,178 and launch this new task force with an environmental vision 1035 00:52:30,179 --> 00:52:33,258 and I didn�t have an environmental vision 1036 00:52:33,387 --> 00:52:36,584 and I did not want to make that speech. 1037 00:52:36,747 --> 00:52:39,261 And at sort of the propitious moment 1038 00:52:39,627 --> 00:52:41,504 this book landed on my desk. 1039 00:52:41,547 --> 00:52:44,786 It was Paul Hawkins book The Ecology of Commerce 1040 00:52:44,787 --> 00:52:48,026 and I began to read The Ecology of Commerce, 1041 00:52:48,267 --> 00:52:50,497 really desperate for inspiration 1042 00:52:50,667 --> 00:52:53,420 and very quickly into that book 1043 00:52:53,547 --> 00:52:56,906 I found the phrase The death of birth. 1044 00:52:56,907 --> 00:53:00,695 It was E. O. Wilson�s expression for species extinction 1045 00:53:00,867 --> 00:53:02,786 The death of birth 1046 00:53:02,787 --> 00:53:06,416 and it was a point of a spear into my chest 1047 00:53:06,627 --> 00:53:08,982 and I read on and the spear went deeper 1048 00:53:08,983 --> 00:53:11,338 and it became an epiphanal experience 1049 00:53:11,907 --> 00:53:14,375 a total change of mindset for myself 1050 00:53:14,376 --> 00:53:18,061 and a change of paradigm. 1051 00:53:21,867 --> 00:53:23,903 Can any product be made sustainably? 1052 00:53:24,147 --> 00:53:26,820 Well not any and every product. 1053 00:53:27,027 --> 00:53:29,666 Can you make landmines sustainably? 1054 00:53:29,907 --> 00:53:32,306 Well I don�t think so. 1055 00:53:32,307 --> 00:53:35,458 There�s a more fundamental question than that 1056 00:53:35,587 --> 00:53:36,986 about landmines. 1057 00:53:37,027 --> 00:53:39,063 Some products ought not to be made at all. 1058 00:53:39,427 --> 00:53:43,265 Unless we can make carpets sustainably you know 1059 00:53:43,266 --> 00:53:47,103 perhaps we don�t have a place in a sustainable world 1060 00:53:47,587 --> 00:53:53,105 but neither does anybody else making products unsustainably. 1061 00:53:53,106 --> 00:53:58,021 One day early in this journey it dawned on me that 1062 00:53:58,147 --> 00:54:00,502 the way Id been running interface 1063 00:54:00,547 --> 00:54:02,139 is the way of the plunderer 1064 00:54:02,467 --> 00:54:05,823 plundering something that�s not mine 1065 00:54:05,827 --> 00:54:09,900 something that belongs to every creature on earth 1066 00:54:10,147 --> 00:54:11,546 and I said to myself 1067 00:54:11,587 --> 00:54:13,020 my goodness 1068 00:54:13,027 --> 00:54:16,417 the day must come when this is illegal 1069 00:54:16,418 --> 00:54:19,220 when plundering is not allowed 1070 00:54:19,747 --> 00:54:20,706 it must come. 1071 00:54:20,707 --> 00:54:23,904 So I said to myself my goodness 1072 00:54:23,987 --> 00:54:27,184 some day people like me will end up in jail. 1073 00:54:35,947 --> 00:54:37,903 I�ve got to be honest with you. 1074 00:54:38,267 --> 00:54:40,906 When the September 11th situation happened 1075 00:54:40,907 --> 00:54:43,977 I didn�t know that the and I must say 1076 00:54:44,027 --> 00:54:46,985 and I want to say this because its 1077 00:54:47,387 --> 00:54:50,185 I don�t want to take it lightly 1078 00:54:50,267 --> 00:54:51,905 it's not a light situation. 1079 00:54:52,187 --> 00:54:54,781 It's a devastating act. 1080 00:54:54,782 --> 00:54:57,376 It was really a bad thing 1081 00:54:57,947 --> 00:54:58,906 it's one of the worse things 1082 00:54:58,907 --> 00:55:01,296 I�ve seen in my lifetime you know. 1083 00:55:01,307 --> 00:55:03,616 But l will tell you and every trader will tell you 1084 00:55:03,707 --> 00:55:05,857 who was not in that building 1085 00:55:06,107 --> 00:55:09,463 and who was buying gold and who owned gold and silver 1086 00:55:09,467 --> 00:55:11,185 that when it happened 1087 00:55:11,387 --> 00:55:13,298 the first thing you thought about was 1088 00:55:13,307 --> 00:55:15,901 well how much is gold up? 1089 00:55:16,187 --> 00:55:18,482 The first thing that came to mind was 1090 00:55:18,483 --> 00:55:20,778 my god gold must be exploding. 1091 00:55:20,987 --> 00:55:24,536 Fortunately for us all our clients were in gold. 1092 00:55:24,827 --> 00:55:28,103 So when it went up they all doubled their money. 1093 00:55:28,187 --> 00:55:30,541 They�ve all doubled their money. 1094 00:55:30,542 --> 00:55:32,896 It was a blessing in disguise. 1095 00:55:32,947 --> 00:55:38,180 Devastating you know crushing heart shattering 1096 00:55:38,707 --> 00:55:40,146 but on the financial sense 1097 00:55:40,147 --> 00:55:41,785 for my clients that were in the market 1098 00:55:42,067 --> 00:55:43,506 they all made money. 1099 00:55:43,507 --> 00:55:46,499 Now I wasn�t looking for this type of help 1100 00:55:46,867 --> 00:55:50,226 but it happened. 1101 00:55:50,227 --> 00:55:55,062 When the us bombed Iraq back in 1991 1102 00:55:55,507 --> 00:56:00,820 the price of oil went from $ 13 to $40 a barrel 1103 00:56:00,821 --> 00:56:02,186 for Christ sake! 1104 00:56:02,227 --> 00:56:03,785 Now we couldn�t wait for the bombs 1105 00:56:04,147 --> 00:56:05,819 to start raining down on Saddam Hussein. 1106 00:56:11,347 --> 00:56:12,302 We were all excited. 1107 00:56:12,787 --> 00:56:15,381 We wanted Saddam to really create problems 1108 00:56:15,382 --> 00:56:16,540 Do whatever you have to do 1109 00:56:16,627 --> 00:56:18,106 set fire to some more oil wells 1110 00:56:18,547 --> 00:56:20,777 because the price is going to go higher. 1111 00:56:20,778 --> 00:56:21,502 Every broker was chanting that 1112 00:56:21,907 --> 00:56:23,306 there was not a broker that I know of 1113 00:56:23,347 --> 00:56:27,898 that wasn�t excited about that. 1114 00:56:28,147 --> 00:56:29,106 This was a disaster. 1115 00:56:29,107 --> 00:56:30,142 This was something that was you know 1116 00:56:30,547 --> 00:56:31,641 catastrophe happening. 1117 00:56:31,642 --> 00:56:32,735 Bombing wars 1118 00:56:35,347 --> 00:56:37,622 In devastation there is opportunity. 1119 00:56:42,667 --> 00:56:44,658 The pursuit of profit is an old story 1120 00:56:45,067 --> 00:56:47,262 but there was a time when many things were regarded 1121 00:56:47,467 --> 00:56:51,062 either as too sacred or too essential for the public good 1122 00:56:51,063 --> 00:56:53,705 to be considered business opportunities. 1123 00:56:54,187 --> 00:56:55,620 They were protected by tradition 1124 00:56:55,627 --> 00:56:56,855 and public regulation. 1125 00:57:04,747 --> 00:57:08,137 We can really begin to take a look at the emergence 1126 00:57:08,138 --> 00:57:10,337 of the modern age with the enclosure movements 1127 00:57:10,507 --> 00:57:12,623 of the great European commons in the fourteenth 1128 00:57:12,907 --> 00:57:14,704 fifteenth and sixteenth century. 1129 00:57:14,827 --> 00:57:18,137 Medieval life uh was a collectively lived life 1130 00:57:18,187 --> 00:57:20,417 It was a brutish nasty affair. 1131 00:57:20,587 --> 00:57:22,817 But there was a collective responsibility 1132 00:57:22,987 --> 00:57:24,583 People belonged to the land; 1133 00:57:24,584 --> 00:57:26,179 the land did not belong to the people. 1134 00:57:26,347 --> 00:57:28,497 And in this European world 1135 00:57:28,747 --> 00:57:31,022 people farmed the land in a collective way 1136 00:57:31,147 --> 00:57:32,705 because they saw it as a commons. 1137 00:57:32,706 --> 00:57:33,781 It belonged to God. 1138 00:57:34,027 --> 00:57:36,905 And then it was administered by the church 1139 00:57:36,907 --> 00:57:38,181 the aristocracy 1140 00:57:38,347 --> 00:57:42,738 and then the local manors as stewards of gods creation. 1141 00:57:42,739 --> 00:57:44,100 Beginning with Tudor England 1142 00:57:44,587 --> 00:57:46,020 we began to see a phenomenon emerge 1143 00:57:46,027 --> 00:57:48,905 and that is the enclosure of the great commons 1144 00:57:48,906 --> 00:57:50,095 by Parliamentary Acts in England 1145 00:57:50,307 --> 00:57:51,266 and then in Europe. 1146 00:57:51,267 --> 00:57:53,986 And so first we began to take the great landmasses 1147 00:57:54,147 --> 00:57:54,897 of the world 1148 00:57:55,107 --> 00:57:56,546 which were commons and shared 1149 00:57:56,547 --> 00:57:58,617 and we reduced those to private property. 1150 00:57:58,947 --> 00:58:01,541 Then we went after the oceans the great oceanic commons 1151 00:58:01,827 --> 00:58:04,182 and we created laws and regulations 1152 00:58:04,227 --> 00:58:05,186 that would allow countries 1153 00:58:05,187 --> 00:58:07,701 to claim a certain amount of water outside 1154 00:58:08,067 --> 00:58:10,222 their coastal limits for exploitation. 1155 00:58:10,223 --> 00:58:12,378 In this century we went after the air 1156 00:58:12,387 --> 00:58:14,025 and we divided it into air corridors 1157 00:58:14,147 --> 00:58:15,580 that could be bought and sold 1158 00:58:16,067 --> 00:58:18,005 for commercial traffic for airplanes. 1159 00:58:18,006 --> 00:58:19,943 And then of course the rest is history. 1160 00:58:31,427 --> 00:58:35,102 With deregulation privatization free trade 1161 00:58:35,267 --> 00:58:39,897 what we're seeing is yet another enclosure 1162 00:58:40,067 --> 00:58:44,618 and if you like private taking of the commons. 1163 00:58:44,619 --> 00:58:46,025 One of the things I find very interesting 1164 00:58:46,307 --> 00:58:48,025 in our current debates 1165 00:58:48,227 --> 00:58:51,106 is this concept of who creates wealth. 1166 00:58:51,107 --> 00:58:55,623 That wealth is only created when it's owned privately. 1167 00:58:55,907 --> 00:58:58,705 What would you call clean water fresh air 1168 00:58:58,787 --> 00:59:00,186 a safe environment? 1169 00:59:00,227 --> 00:59:02,297 Are they not a form of wealth? 1170 00:59:02,627 --> 00:59:05,937 And why does it only become wealth when some entity 1171 00:59:05,987 --> 00:59:09,696 puts a fence around it and declares it private property? 1172 00:59:09,827 --> 00:59:11,943 Well you know that�s not wealth creation. 1173 00:59:12,227 --> 00:59:14,104 That�s wealth usurpation. 1174 00:59:15,587 --> 00:59:16,383 Over the centuries 1175 00:59:16,547 --> 00:59:19,061 we have put more and more things in that public realm 1176 00:59:19,427 --> 00:59:20,746 and lately just lately 1177 00:59:20,867 --> 00:59:21,777 in the last 1178 00:59:21,827 --> 00:59:22,862 lets say in the last three or four decades 1179 00:59:22,863 --> 00:59:24,266 started pulling them out again. 1180 00:59:24,707 --> 00:59:26,459 So fire-fighters for instance. 1181 00:59:30,427 --> 00:59:32,577 Fire-fighters started as private companies 1182 00:59:38,227 --> 00:59:39,706 and if you didn�t have the medallion 1183 00:59:39,707 --> 00:59:41,816 of a given fire-fighter brigade 1184 00:59:41,907 --> 00:59:43,898 on your house and it was on fire 1185 00:59:44,307 --> 00:59:46,582 those fire-fighters would just ride on by 1186 00:59:46,707 --> 00:59:48,982 because you didn�t have a deal. 1187 00:59:49,107 --> 00:59:51,906 Well it gradually evolved a public trust 1188 00:59:51,907 --> 00:59:56,264 for the provision of safety on that very specific level. 1189 00:59:56,707 --> 00:59:59,380 This is important. 1190 00:59:59,587 --> 01:00:01,986 We should not go back from that and start saying 1191 01:00:01,987 --> 01:00:04,023 well you know why don�t we put that back in the market 1192 01:00:04,387 --> 01:00:05,263 and see what that does? 1193 01:00:05,307 --> 01:00:08,219 Maybe it will make it more efficient 1194 01:00:15,867 --> 01:00:19,746 Privatization does not mean you take a public institution 1195 01:00:19,747 --> 01:00:24,144 and give it to some nice person. 1196 01:00:24,507 --> 01:00:26,816 It means you take a public institution and give it 1197 01:00:26,907 --> 01:00:28,863 to an unaccountable tyranny. 1198 01:00:33,627 --> 01:00:37,142 Public institutions have many side benefits 1199 01:00:37,143 --> 01:00:39,740 For one thing they may purposely run at a loss. 1200 01:00:39,867 --> 01:00:41,903 They're not out for profit. 1201 01:00:42,267 --> 01:00:44,019 They may purposely run at a loss 1202 01:00:44,187 --> 01:00:45,905 because of the side benefits. 1203 01:00:46,107 --> 01:00:50,020 So for example if a public steel industry runs at a loss 1204 01:00:50,021 --> 01:00:52,859 it's providing cheap steel to other industries 1205 01:00:52,860 --> 01:00:56,376 maybe that�s a good thing. 1206 01:00:56,667 --> 01:00:59,625 Public institutions can have a counter cyclic property 1207 01:01:00,027 --> 01:01:03,178 So that means that they can maintain employment 1208 01:01:03,179 --> 01:01:04,863 in periods of recession 1209 01:01:05,307 --> 01:01:06,546 which increases demand 1210 01:01:06,547 --> 01:01:08,856 which helps you get out of recession. 1211 01:01:08,867 --> 01:01:11,256 Private companies cant do that in a recession 1212 01:01:11,747 --> 01:01:15,137 throw out the work force cause that�s the way you make money. 1213 01:01:15,138 --> 01:01:17,262 There are those who intend that one day everything 1214 01:01:17,347 --> 01:01:19,463 will be owned by somebody 1215 01:01:19,747 --> 01:01:22,146 and we're not just talking goods here. 1216 01:01:22,147 --> 01:01:25,219 We're talking human rights human services 1217 01:01:25,507 --> 01:01:27,426 essential services for life. 1218 01:01:27,427 --> 01:01:30,339 Education public health social assistance 1219 01:01:30,340 --> 01:01:33,663 pensions housing. 1220 01:01:34,147 --> 01:01:39,824 We're also talking about the survival of the planet. 1221 01:01:39,907 --> 01:01:43,582 The areas that we believe must be maintained 1222 01:01:43,747 --> 01:01:44,706 in the commons 1223 01:01:44,707 --> 01:01:48,063 or under common control or we will collectively die 1224 01:01:48,067 --> 01:01:50,740 Water and air. 1225 01:01:50,947 --> 01:01:54,257 Even in the case of air there�s been some progress 1226 01:01:54,307 --> 01:01:57,743 and that is the trading of pollution permits. 1227 01:01:57,744 --> 01:01:59,020 And here the idea is to say 1228 01:01:59,107 --> 01:02:02,179 look we cant avoid the dumping of carbon dioxide. 1229 01:02:02,467 --> 01:02:05,106 We cant avoid the dumping of sulphur oxides 1230 01:02:05,307 --> 01:02:07,104 at least we cant at the moment afford to stopping it 1231 01:02:07,227 --> 01:02:09,616 so we're dumping a certain amount of stuff 1232 01:02:09,627 --> 01:02:10,343 into the environment. 1233 01:02:10,587 --> 01:02:13,659 So we're going to say with the current tonnage 1234 01:02:13,947 --> 01:02:16,745 of sulphur oxides for example 1235 01:02:16,746 --> 01:02:19,544 we will say that is the limit. 1236 01:02:19,707 --> 01:02:22,301 And well create permits for that amount 1237 01:02:22,587 --> 01:02:25,306 and give them to the people who�ve been doing the polluting 1238 01:02:25,467 --> 01:02:28,584 and now we will permit them to be traded. 1239 01:02:28,585 --> 01:02:30,941 And so now there�s a price attached 1240 01:02:31,227 --> 01:02:34,586 to polluting the environment. 1241 01:02:34,587 --> 01:02:36,339 Now wouldn�t it be marvellous if we have one of those prices 1242 01:02:36,507 --> 01:02:38,225 for everything? 1243 01:02:39,387 --> 01:02:41,264 It sounds like you�re advocating private ownership 1244 01:02:41,307 --> 01:02:42,979 of every square inch of the planet. 1245 01:02:43,227 --> 01:02:44,023 Absolutely. 1246 01:02:44,187 --> 01:02:47,184 Every cubic foot of air water. 1247 01:02:47,185 --> 01:02:50,181 It sounds outlandish to say 1248 01:02:50,427 --> 01:02:52,179 we want to have the whole universe 1249 01:02:52,347 --> 01:02:53,700 the whole of the earth owned. 1250 01:02:53,787 --> 01:02:56,381 That doesn�t mean I want to have Joe Bloggs 1251 01:02:56,667 --> 01:02:58,464 owning this square foot. 1252 01:02:58,587 --> 01:03:03,615 But it means the interests that are involved in that stream 1253 01:03:03,616 --> 01:03:06,618 are owned by some group 1254 01:03:06,747 --> 01:03:09,341 or by some people who have an interest in maintaining it. 1255 01:03:09,627 --> 01:03:13,024 And that you know that is not such a loony idea. 1256 01:03:13,025 --> 01:03:16,421 It's in fact the solution to a lot of these problems. 1257 01:03:28,107 --> 01:03:29,859 Imagine a world in which one of the things 1258 01:03:30,027 --> 01:03:33,144 owned by a corporation was the song happy birthday. 1259 01:03:35,307 --> 01:03:36,262 In fact 1260 01:03:36,267 --> 01:03:38,781 an Aol/Time Warner subsidiary holds the copyright. 1261 01:03:41,907 --> 01:03:43,056 In the past 1262 01:03:43,347 --> 01:03:45,066 it has demanded over $ 10000 1263 01:03:45,067 --> 01:03:47,376 to allow you to hear anyone sing this popular song 1264 01:03:47,467 --> 01:03:50,425 in a film. 1265 01:03:50,827 --> 01:03:52,499 We didn�t pay. 1266 01:03:56,067 --> 01:03:58,262 We preferred to use the money to fly our crew to Boston 1267 01:03:58,427 --> 01:04:01,180 and Los Angeles to bring you the following story 1268 01:04:13,307 --> 01:04:15,298 Comparing the marketing of yesteryear 1269 01:04:15,299 --> 01:04:17,058 to the marketing of today 1270 01:04:17,067 --> 01:04:21,265 is like comparing a b. b. gun to a smart bomb. 1271 01:04:21,387 --> 01:04:24,424 It's not the same as when I was a kid 1272 01:04:24,747 --> 01:04:26,186 or even when the people 1273 01:04:26,187 --> 01:04:28,382 who are young adults today were kids. 1274 01:04:31,747 --> 01:04:35,865 It's much more sophisticated and it's much more pervasive. 1275 01:04:36,347 --> 01:04:42,741 It's not that products themselves are bad or good. 1276 01:04:42,907 --> 01:04:46,456 It's the notion of manipulating children 1277 01:04:46,457 --> 01:04:49,179 into buying the products. 1278 01:04:51,067 --> 01:04:53,661 In 1998 Western International Media 1279 01:04:53,947 --> 01:04:56,825 Century City and Lieberman Research Worldwide 1280 01:04:56,827 --> 01:05:00,536 conducted a study on nagging. 1281 01:05:00,667 --> 01:05:03,181 We asked parents to keep a diary for three weeks 1282 01:05:03,182 --> 01:05:04,739 and to record every time 1283 01:05:04,987 --> 01:05:05,942 you could imagine 1284 01:05:05,947 --> 01:05:09,906 every time their child nagged them for a product 1285 01:05:10,267 --> 01:05:13,737 we asked them to record when where and why. 1286 01:05:18,307 --> 01:05:23,859 This study was not to help parents cope with nagging. 1287 01:05:24,027 --> 01:05:27,656 It was to help corporations help children nag 1288 01:05:27,747 --> 01:05:30,625 for their products more effectively. 1289 01:05:32,427 --> 01:05:35,658 Anywhere form 20 percent to 40 percent of purchases 1290 01:05:35,787 --> 01:05:37,226 would not have occurred 1291 01:05:37,227 --> 01:05:39,218 unless the child had nagged their parents. 1292 01:05:39,627 --> 01:05:41,936 That is we found for example 1293 01:05:42,027 --> 01:05:44,426 a quarter of all visits to theme parks 1294 01:05:44,427 --> 01:05:47,385 wouldn�t have occurred unless a child nagged their parents. 1295 01:05:47,787 --> 01:05:50,176 Four out of ten visits to places like Chuck E. Cheese 1296 01:05:50,187 --> 01:05:52,018 would not have occurred. 1297 01:05:52,107 --> 01:05:53,017 And any parent would understand that 1298 01:05:53,067 --> 01:05:54,420 you know when I think of Chuck E. Cheese 1299 01:05:54,507 --> 01:05:55,906 oh my goodness its noise. 1300 01:05:59,307 --> 01:06:00,217 And there�s so many kids. 1301 01:06:00,267 --> 01:06:01,495 Why would I want to spend two hours there? 1302 01:06:01,707 --> 01:06:04,540 But if the child nags enough you 're going to go 1303 01:06:04,587 --> 01:06:07,420 We saw the same thing with movies with home video 1304 01:06:07,467 --> 01:06:09,105 with fast food... 1305 01:06:09,387 --> 01:06:10,786 We do have to break through this barrier 1306 01:06:10,827 --> 01:06:13,978 where they do tell us or they say 1307 01:06:14,187 --> 01:06:16,781 they don�t like it when their kid snag. 1308 01:06:17,067 --> 01:06:20,264 Well that�s just a general attitude that they possess. 1309 01:06:20,265 --> 01:06:23,826 It doesn�t mean that they necessarily act upon it 1310 01:06:24,267 --> 01:06:26,383 a 100 percent of the time. 1311 01:06:28,107 --> 01:06:32,544 You can manipulate consumers into wanting 1312 01:06:32,907 --> 01:06:35,262 and therefore buying your products. 1313 01:06:35,307 --> 01:06:38,026 It's a game. 1314 01:06:39,147 --> 01:06:40,862 Children are not little adults; 1315 01:06:40,863 --> 01:06:42,578 their minds aren�t developed. 1316 01:06:42,987 --> 01:06:44,705 And what�s happening is that the marketers are playing 1317 01:06:44,907 --> 01:06:47,182 to their developmental vulnerabilities. 1318 01:06:50,187 --> 01:06:53,224 The advertising that children are exposed to today 1319 01:06:53,225 --> 01:06:56,025 is honed by psychologists; 1320 01:06:56,347 --> 01:06:58,266 it's enhanced by media technology 1321 01:06:58,267 --> 01:07:00,417 that nobody ever thought was possible. 1322 01:07:00,667 --> 01:07:04,865 The more insight you have about the consumer 1323 01:07:04,987 --> 01:07:09,538 the more creative you�ll be in your communication strategies. 1324 01:07:09,627 --> 01:07:11,379 So if that takes a psychologist 1325 01:07:11,547 --> 01:07:14,698 yeah we want one of those on staff. 1326 01:07:14,907 --> 01:07:18,343 I�m not saying it's wrong to make things for children. 1327 01:07:18,344 --> 01:07:20,064 I also think its important to distinguish 1328 01:07:20,187 --> 01:07:23,577 between psychologists who work on products for children 1329 01:07:24,027 --> 01:07:28,020 to help you know toy corporations make toys 1330 01:07:28,021 --> 01:07:29,380 that are developmentally appropriate. 1331 01:07:29,381 --> 01:07:30,342 I think that�s great 1332 01:07:30,747 --> 01:07:32,499 that�s different from selling the toys 1333 01:07:32,667 --> 01:07:34,144 directly to the children. 1334 01:07:34,145 --> 01:07:35,622 Initiative is huge. 1335 01:07:36,027 --> 01:07:38,385 I think in the U. S. we place 1336 01:07:38,386 --> 01:07:40,743 about $ 12 billion of media time. 1337 01:07:40,827 --> 01:07:43,102 So well put it on TV well put it in print 1338 01:07:43,227 --> 01:07:46,378 well put it up in outdoor well buy radio time; 1339 01:07:46,587 --> 01:07:50,546 so we're the biggest buyers of advertising time and space 1340 01:07:50,547 --> 01:07:53,578 in the U. S. and in the world. 1341 01:07:53,787 --> 01:07:57,336 One family cannot combat an industry that spends 1342 01:07:57,427 --> 01:08:00,499 $ 12 billion a year trying to get their children. 1343 01:08:00,787 --> 01:08:02,618 They cant do it. 1344 01:08:02,707 --> 01:08:05,106 They are tomorrows adult consumers 1345 01:08:05,107 --> 01:08:08,304 To start talking with them now build that relationship 1346 01:08:08,467 --> 01:08:09,422 when they�re younger... 1347 01:08:09,427 --> 01:08:11,497 And you�ve got them as an adult. 1348 01:08:14,227 --> 01:08:16,821 Somebody asked me you know Lucy is that ethical? 1349 01:08:17,107 --> 01:08:19,416 You know you�re essentially manipulating these children. 1350 01:08:19,507 --> 01:08:21,338 Well yeah is it ethical? 1351 01:08:21,427 --> 01:08:22,177 I don�t know. 1352 01:08:22,387 --> 01:08:26,505 But our role at initiative is to move products 1353 01:08:26,707 --> 01:08:28,503 And if we know you move products 1354 01:08:28,504 --> 01:08:30,299 with a certain creative execution 1355 01:08:30,547 --> 01:08:32,777 placed in a certain type of media vehicle 1356 01:08:32,778 --> 01:08:34,059 then we�ve done our job. 1357 01:08:36,547 --> 01:08:39,539 Every institution provides the people 1358 01:08:39,867 --> 01:08:42,461 who are members of it 1359 01:08:42,747 --> 01:08:45,500 with asocial role to occupy 1360 01:08:45,627 --> 01:08:48,506 And typically institutions that are vibrant 1361 01:08:48,507 --> 01:08:52,386 and have a lot of power will specify that role 1362 01:08:52,827 --> 01:08:55,842 in some sense as a list of virtues. 1363 01:08:55,843 --> 01:08:58,858 It's true for churches for schools 1364 01:08:59,067 --> 01:09:02,218 for any institution that has power over people 1365 01:09:02,219 --> 01:09:04,502 and shapes them. 1366 01:09:05,027 --> 01:09:05,986 The corporation likewise. 1367 01:09:05,987 --> 01:09:08,455 It provides us with a list of virtues 1368 01:09:08,456 --> 01:09:09,422 a kind of social role 1369 01:09:09,827 --> 01:09:12,899 which is the good consumer. 1370 01:09:13,187 --> 01:09:16,020 Like the waters of the mighty ocean 1371 01:09:16,067 --> 01:09:17,986 people also represent tremendous force 1372 01:09:17,987 --> 01:09:20,706 the understanding of which is the greatest importance 1373 01:09:20,787 --> 01:09:23,142 to the American way of life. 1374 01:09:23,627 --> 01:09:26,346 This force is known as consumer power. 1375 01:09:27,947 --> 01:09:31,098 The goal for the corporations is to maximize profit 1376 01:09:31,307 --> 01:09:33,138 and market share. 1377 01:09:33,227 --> 01:09:35,821 And they also have a goal for their target 1378 01:09:35,822 --> 01:09:37,185 namely the population. 1379 01:09:37,547 --> 01:09:42,575 They have to be turned into completely mindless consumers 1380 01:09:42,827 --> 01:09:45,546 of goods that they do not want. 1381 01:09:45,547 --> 01:09:49,062 You have to develop what are called created wants 1382 01:09:49,387 --> 01:09:51,776 So you have to create wants. 1383 01:09:51,787 --> 01:09:53,379 You have to pose on people what's called 1384 01:09:53,380 --> 01:09:55,695 a philosophy of futility. 1385 01:09:55,987 --> 01:09:58,137 You have to focus them 1386 01:09:58,387 --> 01:10:00,662 on the insignificant things of life 1387 01:10:00,663 --> 01:10:02,937 like fashionable consumption. 1388 01:10:06,067 --> 01:10:09,139 I�m just basically quoting business literature. 1389 01:10:09,427 --> 01:10:11,099 And it makes perfect sense. 1390 01:10:11,347 --> 01:10:13,266 The ideal is to have individuals 1391 01:10:13,267 --> 01:10:16,179 who are totally disassociated from one another. 1392 01:10:16,627 --> 01:10:20,859 Who�s conception of themselves the sense of value 1393 01:10:20,947 --> 01:10:24,576 is just how many created wants can I satisfy? 1394 01:10:27,947 --> 01:10:30,177 These people are customers 1395 01:10:30,347 --> 01:10:34,260 because they are willing to trade money for widgets. 1396 01:10:34,261 --> 01:10:37,145 And all the customers take the widgets home 1397 01:10:37,146 --> 01:10:40,264 to all parts of the country. 1398 01:10:40,427 --> 01:10:42,497 Look at all the money the widget builder has 1399 01:10:42,827 --> 01:10:45,226 taken in from the sale of his widgets. 1400 01:10:45,227 --> 01:10:48,458 We have huge industries public relations industry 1401 01:10:48,587 --> 01:10:49,906 monstrous industry 1402 01:10:50,027 --> 01:10:52,905 advertising and so on which are designed 1403 01:10:52,907 --> 01:10:57,298 from infancy to try to mould people 1404 01:10:57,707 --> 01:10:59,857 into this desired pattern. 1405 01:11:03,947 --> 01:11:05,062 We saw Tiger Woods on TV 1406 01:11:05,387 --> 01:11:07,662 with a hat with a Nike logo on it 1407 01:11:07,787 --> 01:11:09,345 and we figured you know he probably gets 1408 01:11:09,346 --> 01:11:10,740 like millions of dollars 1409 01:11:11,147 --> 01:11:12,586 just to wear the hat on a press conference. 1410 01:11:12,587 --> 01:11:14,942 And therefore we figured we can do that for someone else. 1411 01:11:15,467 --> 01:11:18,546 And hopefully get money in time so we can go to school. 1412 01:11:18,547 --> 01:11:21,625 And that show we came up with being corporately sponsored. 1413 01:11:21,707 --> 01:11:22,935 We made our sponsor announcement 1414 01:11:23,147 --> 01:11:24,660 on the Today Show on June 18 1415 01:11:24,867 --> 01:11:26,664 ...were thrilled to be sponsored by First U. S.A... 1416 01:11:26,787 --> 01:11:28,903 We're thrilled to be working with first U. S.A as our corporate 1417 01:11:29,187 --> 01:11:32,384 sponsor and they�re covering our college tuition... 1418 01:11:32,547 --> 01:11:33,741 ...we found First U.S.A as our sponsor and we're proud 1419 01:11:33,742 --> 01:11:34,576 to be working with them... 1420 01:11:34,947 --> 01:11:36,778 ...our sponsor if First U. S.A 1421 01:11:36,867 --> 01:11:39,825 we're really thrilled to announce First U.S.A 1422 01:11:39,826 --> 01:11:40,782 as our sponsor... 1423 01:11:41,187 --> 01:11:43,462 ...we're thrilled to be working with First U.S.A... 1424 01:11:43,587 --> 01:11:44,806 and so we give First U. S.A 1425 01:11:44,807 --> 01:11:45,986 a good name in the media 1426 01:11:45,987 --> 01:11:47,420 and include them in our news stories 1427 01:11:47,907 --> 01:11:48,817 and through there 1428 01:11:48,867 --> 01:11:51,984 they get as much advertising as we can give them. 1429 01:11:52,227 --> 01:11:53,186 They�ll be conforming 1430 01:11:53,187 --> 01:11:55,382 not to the wishes of demanding parents 1431 01:11:55,587 --> 01:11:58,946 but to the wishes of an image conscious corporation... 1432 01:11:58,947 --> 01:12:01,905 They�re not just out there for the money and they�re just... 1433 01:12:02,307 --> 01:12:03,103 I mean they want to work with us 1434 01:12:03,267 --> 01:12:05,986 and be our friends and let us help them help us 1435 01:12:05,987 --> 01:12:06,782 and vice versa. 1436 01:12:07,107 --> 01:12:07,983 And we became walking billboards 1437 01:12:08,067 --> 01:12:09,466 to pay for our college tuition. 1438 01:12:10,947 --> 01:12:12,983 Cool Site of the day picked us as a cool site 1439 01:12:13,347 --> 01:12:16,657 and Yahoo picked us and we were in U.S.A Today. 1440 01:12:16,707 --> 01:12:19,426 When we did our photo shoot for people magazine 1441 01:12:19,427 --> 01:12:24,059 This is where we stood up on top. 1442 01:12:24,487 --> 01:12:26,205 We stood up here and we smiled. 1443 01:12:26,407 --> 01:12:28,806 We smiled and took the picture. 1444 01:12:28,807 --> 01:12:31,605 Our parents had war stories and stuff to tell us. 1445 01:12:31,687 --> 01:12:33,120 We have our corporate sponsor story. 1446 01:12:33,127 --> 01:12:34,765 Exactly. 1447 01:12:36,967 --> 01:12:38,446 I have a lot of faith in the corporate world 1448 01:12:38,447 --> 01:12:39,635 because it's always going to be there 1449 01:12:39,847 --> 01:12:41,041 so you may as well have faith in it 1450 01:12:41,287 --> 01:12:43,881 because if you don�t then it's just not good. 1451 01:12:45,287 --> 01:12:46,643 Some of the best creative minds 1452 01:12:46,644 --> 01:12:47,999 are employed to assure our faith 1453 01:12:48,167 --> 01:12:50,158 in the corporate worldview. 1454 01:12:50,567 --> 01:12:53,365 They seduce us with corporate beguiling illusions. 1455 01:12:53,447 --> 01:12:55,324 Designed to divert our minds 1456 01:12:55,367 --> 01:12:57,403 and manufacture our consent. 1457 01:13:05,247 --> 01:13:07,920 Corporations don�t advertise products particularly; 1458 01:13:08,127 --> 01:13:09,196 they�re advertising a way of life. 1459 01:13:09,197 --> 01:13:10,361 A way of thinking. 1460 01:13:10,527 --> 01:13:15,282 A story of who we are as people and how we got here and 1461 01:13:15,327 --> 01:13:17,124 you know what�s the source of our so called liberty 1462 01:13:17,247 --> 01:13:18,475 and so called freedom. 1463 01:13:18,687 --> 01:13:21,326 You know so you have decades and decades and decades 1464 01:13:21,367 --> 01:13:23,198 of propaganda and education 1465 01:13:23,207 --> 01:13:25,243 teaching us to think in a certain way. 1466 01:13:25,567 --> 01:13:28,400 When applied to the large corporation 1467 01:13:28,407 --> 01:13:30,875 it's that the corporation is was inevitable 1468 01:13:31,127 --> 01:13:32,526 that it's indispensable 1469 01:13:32,567 --> 01:13:34,239 that it is somehow remarkably efficient 1470 01:13:34,327 --> 01:13:38,115 and that it is responsible for the sort of 1471 01:13:38,167 --> 01:13:40,158 for progress and the good life. 1472 01:13:51,007 --> 01:13:53,885 Perception management is a very interesting concept 1473 01:13:53,887 --> 01:13:56,082 It's basically a methodology 1474 01:13:56,287 --> 01:13:59,040 which helps us when we work with our clients 1475 01:13:59,167 --> 01:14:03,160 to go through a very systematic thoughtful process 1476 01:14:03,161 --> 01:14:06,044 in order to be able to help our clients identify 1477 01:14:06,367 --> 01:14:08,483 what the resources are that they have. 1478 01:14:08,647 --> 01:14:11,241 What the barriers to their success are 1479 01:14:11,527 --> 01:14:12,966 and how we can use communications 1480 01:14:12,967 --> 01:14:15,720 to help them accomplish their objectives. 1481 01:14:25,927 --> 01:14:28,600 If Michael or Angelica came tome and said 1482 01:14:28,807 --> 01:14:33,597 Dad what do you do and why is it important? 1483 01:14:33,607 --> 01:14:35,802 My answer to that question is basically 1484 01:14:36,007 --> 01:14:38,316 that I help corporations have a voice. 1485 01:14:44,647 --> 01:14:46,683 And I help corporations share the point of view 1486 01:14:46,684 --> 01:14:48,922 about how they feel about things. 1487 01:14:53,287 --> 01:14:54,197 They�re selling themselves 1488 01:14:54,247 --> 01:14:56,442 they�re selling their domination 1489 01:14:56,647 --> 01:14:57,875 they�re selling their rule 1490 01:14:58,087 --> 01:14:59,645 and they�re creating an image for themselves 1491 01:14:59,646 --> 01:15:01,279 as just regular folks down the block. 1492 01:15:03,527 --> 01:15:05,404 Hi how y'all doing today? 1493 01:15:05,447 --> 01:15:07,366 Good to see you. 1494 01:15:07,367 --> 01:15:09,164 How are you doing today? 1495 01:15:09,287 --> 01:15:11,323 Hi how you doing today? 1496 01:15:11,687 --> 01:15:12,961 We're from Pfizer. 1497 01:15:13,087 --> 01:15:13,963 We're your neighbours. 1498 01:15:14,047 --> 01:15:15,400 You're in the new houses? 1499 01:15:15,487 --> 01:15:17,478 Are you in the new houses? 1500 01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:18,476 Ohhhhhh! 1501 01:15:18,847 --> 01:15:20,644 These are some neighbours. 1502 01:15:20,767 --> 01:15:22,678 Can we say hello? 1503 01:15:22,687 --> 01:15:24,405 Can we say hello just for a minute? 1504 01:15:25,967 --> 01:15:27,639 So what do you think of the neighbourhood now? 1505 01:15:27,887 --> 01:15:29,684 It's all right it's good. 1506 01:15:29,807 --> 01:15:31,035 Yeah l think it�s been getting better 1507 01:15:31,247 --> 01:15:33,841 over the last 20years that I�ve been coming here. 1508 01:15:33,842 --> 01:15:34,602 Yeah 1509 01:15:34,607 --> 01:15:36,245 So I think together you know working with you 1510 01:15:36,527 --> 01:15:38,757 and Pfizer and our other partnership 1511 01:15:38,927 --> 01:15:40,645 well make this a better place. 1512 01:15:40,847 --> 01:15:41,757 Okay. 1513 01:15:41,807 --> 01:15:44,162 Okay nice to see you Miss Fraser bye. 1514 01:15:47,087 --> 01:15:49,476 There used to be a lot of crime at this subway. 1515 01:15:49,477 --> 01:15:51,921 One night as I was going home I got caught 1516 01:15:52,207 --> 01:15:55,404 and was almost mugged. 1517 01:15:55,567 --> 01:15:58,877 So we decided to make a change 1518 01:15:58,927 --> 01:16:01,646 to make this community better. 1519 01:16:05,047 --> 01:16:07,322 We're looking at turnstiles 1520 01:16:07,447 --> 01:16:09,756 that prevent fare beating. 1521 01:16:09,847 --> 01:16:12,726 It used to be you could just hop right over. 1522 01:16:12,727 --> 01:16:16,242 So Pfizer in collaboration with the transit authority 1523 01:16:16,567 --> 01:16:19,445 actually purchased these machines. 1524 01:16:25,047 --> 01:16:28,244 This is a talkback box that allows us to speak 1525 01:16:28,407 --> 01:16:29,846 to the Pfizer guard 1526 01:16:29,847 --> 01:16:33,476 which is approximately 500yards from here. 1527 01:16:33,687 --> 01:16:35,325 Now I haven�t seen the Pfizer guard today 1528 01:16:35,607 --> 01:16:36,960 but I�m going to see if I can call him. 1529 01:16:37,047 --> 01:16:39,277 If he�s not I'll have to go wake him up. 1530 01:16:39,447 --> 01:16:40,197 Hello. 1531 01:16:40,407 --> 01:16:41,283 Hello. 1532 01:16:41,367 --> 01:16:42,356 Tom Kline speaking. 1533 01:16:44,727 --> 01:16:46,957 So I'm sure 1534 01:16:47,127 --> 01:16:48,321 before we're through hell call back. 1535 01:16:48,567 --> 01:16:50,000 But particularly on the off-hours 1536 01:16:50,007 --> 01:16:53,966 this allows a passenger to call directly 1537 01:16:53,967 --> 01:16:56,281 to the Pfizer desk for assistance. 1538 01:16:56,727 --> 01:16:59,606 And then the Pfizer guard calls the transit police 1539 01:16:59,607 --> 01:17:04,203 and the transit police respond to any crime situation. 1540 01:17:04,407 --> 01:17:07,001 As a result of all this crime is down in that station. 1541 01:17:07,002 --> 01:17:09,241 It's much safer for our community partners. 1542 01:17:09,687 --> 01:17:10,597 Thank you. 1543 01:17:16,407 --> 01:17:17,601 I'll press the other button just to be sure... 1544 01:17:25,047 --> 01:17:26,799 Well go over and talk to him personally. 1545 01:17:34,847 --> 01:17:37,236 It's tough you know they�re putting 1546 01:17:37,247 --> 01:17:39,442 some taxpayer shareholder money into helping 1547 01:17:39,647 --> 01:17:41,558 and who can say? 1548 01:17:41,567 --> 01:17:43,364 But that money should be going to the taxpayers 1549 01:17:43,487 --> 01:17:46,240 to decide what to do. 1550 01:17:46,367 --> 01:17:48,756 And while they�re doing those sorts of nice things 1551 01:17:48,767 --> 01:17:51,679 they�re also playing a role in lowering taxes for corporations 1552 01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:53,558 and lowering taxes for wealthy people 1553 01:17:54,047 --> 01:17:56,402 and reconfiguring public policy. 1554 01:17:56,447 --> 01:17:58,597 And what we don�t see is all that reconfiguring going on; 1555 01:17:58,847 --> 01:18:01,024 we don�t see all that vacuuming up of money 1556 01:18:01,025 --> 01:18:03,201 vacuuming out the insides of public processes 1557 01:18:03,202 --> 01:18:05,123 but we do see the nice fa�ade. 1558 01:18:34,247 --> 01:18:36,166 When I was researching the takeover of public space 1559 01:18:36,167 --> 01:18:39,318 when I started off I thought okay this is just advertising. 1560 01:18:39,527 --> 01:18:41,242 We�ve always had advertising. 1561 01:18:41,243 --> 01:18:42,958 It's just more advertising. 1562 01:18:43,367 --> 01:18:44,595 But what l started to understand 1563 01:18:44,807 --> 01:18:45,766 and what I understand now 1564 01:18:45,767 --> 01:18:49,965 is that branding if not advertising its production. 1565 01:18:50,087 --> 01:18:51,281 The very successful corporations 1566 01:18:51,527 --> 01:18:54,360 the corporations of the future do not produce products. 1567 01:18:54,407 --> 01:18:57,444 They produced brand meaning. 1568 01:18:57,767 --> 01:18:59,962 The dissemination of the idea of themselves 1569 01:19:00,167 --> 01:19:01,606 is their act of production. 1570 01:19:01,607 --> 01:19:03,598 And the dissemination of the idea of themselves 1571 01:19:03,599 --> 01:19:07,964 is an enormously invasive project 1572 01:19:08,327 --> 01:19:10,682 so how do you make a brand idea? 1573 01:19:10,727 --> 01:19:14,322 Well a good place to start is by building 1574 01:19:14,487 --> 01:19:16,284 a three dimensional manifestation of your brand. 1575 01:19:16,407 --> 01:19:18,602 For accompany like Disney 1576 01:19:18,807 --> 01:19:20,684 it goes even further 1577 01:19:20,727 --> 01:19:22,763 where it's actually building a town Celebration Florida. 1578 01:19:22,764 --> 01:19:24,524 Currently there are about 5000 residents 1579 01:19:24,567 --> 01:19:26,523 who call Celebration home. 1580 01:19:26,967 --> 01:19:30,021 And there are about 1300 single-family homes 1581 01:19:30,022 --> 01:19:33,076 a town centre that�s a place where people gather. 1582 01:19:33,207 --> 01:19:36,438 It has about four or five restaurants 1583 01:19:36,567 --> 01:19:38,717 and about a dozen other shops. 1584 01:19:39,927 --> 01:19:41,804 Their inspiration their brand image 1585 01:19:42,327 --> 01:19:44,726 is the all American family. 1586 01:19:44,727 --> 01:19:46,922 And the sort of by gone American town. 1587 01:20:06,807 --> 01:20:10,595 Their brand driver is family magic and everything 1588 01:20:10,647 --> 01:20:15,596 that the company does is in and around those two words. 1589 01:20:15,597 --> 01:20:17,563 If you take that 1590 01:20:17,847 --> 01:20:20,998 a branded environment such as a Disney World 1591 01:20:21,207 --> 01:20:24,597 or a Disneyland is a logical extension of that brand. 1592 01:20:24,598 --> 01:20:28,401 Film animated film family oriented film; 1593 01:20:28,407 --> 01:20:31,160 it's a very logical extension of that. 1594 01:20:31,287 --> 01:20:32,561 As a business though 1595 01:20:32,727 --> 01:20:35,321 they also know that if they want to get 1596 01:20:35,607 --> 01:20:37,996 into other forms of entertainment 1597 01:20:38,007 --> 01:20:40,601 that does not fit family magic 1598 01:20:40,887 --> 01:20:43,345 they do not brand it Disney. 1599 01:20:43,346 --> 01:20:45,803 If they want to get into adult 1600 01:20:46,167 --> 01:20:48,086 more serious type fare 1601 01:20:48,087 --> 01:20:51,363 when it comes to film they brand it Touchstone. 1602 01:20:51,447 --> 01:20:53,802 Disney brand speaks of reassurance 1603 01:20:54,327 --> 01:20:56,966 it speaks of tradition it speaks of quality. 1604 01:20:56,967 --> 01:20:58,319 And you can see that here 1605 01:20:58,647 --> 01:21:01,526 in this community that we�ve built. 1606 01:21:01,527 --> 01:21:04,644 And that�s where you see the truly imperialist 1607 01:21:04,687 --> 01:21:08,316 aspirations of branding which is about building 1608 01:21:08,527 --> 01:21:10,995 these privatized branded cocoons. 1609 01:21:11,407 --> 01:21:13,637 Which maybe you start by shopping in 1610 01:21:13,807 --> 01:21:16,161 and then you continue by holidaying in 1611 01:21:16,162 --> 01:21:18,516 but eventually why not just move in. 1612 01:21:21,287 --> 01:21:23,403 What happens if we wake up one day 1613 01:21:23,687 --> 01:21:26,724 and we find out that virtually all of our relationships 1614 01:21:26,927 --> 01:21:29,395 that are mediated between us and our fellow human beings 1615 01:21:29,396 --> 01:21:31,126 are commercial? 1616 01:21:31,127 --> 01:21:34,164 We find out that virtually every relationship we have 1617 01:21:34,407 --> 01:21:36,443 is a commercially arbitrated relationship 1618 01:21:36,807 --> 01:21:38,604 with our fellow human being? 1619 01:21:38,607 --> 01:21:41,917 Can civilization survive on that narrow a definition 1620 01:21:41,918 --> 01:21:44,321 of how we interact with each other? 1621 01:21:44,687 --> 01:21:46,757 Wow what a dream... 1622 01:21:52,007 --> 01:21:55,636 I can give you the day in the life of a person 1623 01:21:55,847 --> 01:21:58,077 who might be the target of undercover marketing. 1624 01:21:58,247 --> 01:21:59,362 And I will tell you this 1625 01:21:59,687 --> 01:22:01,837 that some of these things are happening right now 1626 01:22:01,838 --> 01:22:02,642 around you. 1627 01:22:03,047 --> 01:22:04,685 So you walk out of your building in the morning 1628 01:22:04,686 --> 01:22:05,476 in some city 1629 01:22:05,927 --> 01:22:07,076 and you walk by the doorman and say 1630 01:22:07,077 --> 01:22:07,956 hey good morning! 1631 01:22:08,327 --> 01:22:10,921 And you notice there�s a bunch of boxes at his feet 1632 01:22:10,922 --> 01:22:13,446 from some on line or mail order retailer. 1633 01:22:13,607 --> 01:22:15,677 And there�s a bunch of boxes there with of course 1634 01:22:16,007 --> 01:22:17,235 big brand message on it. 1635 01:22:17,447 --> 01:22:18,846 You walk out and wonder 1636 01:22:18,887 --> 01:22:20,639 a lot of people must be ordering from that company. 1637 01:22:20,807 --> 01:22:23,275 Well what you don�t know is that we paid the doorman 1638 01:22:23,276 --> 01:22:24,037 to keep those empty boxes there. 1639 01:22:24,167 --> 01:22:26,006 You walk out into the street 1640 01:22:26,007 --> 01:22:27,998 and you hear some people having kind of a loud conversation 1641 01:22:28,407 --> 01:22:31,763 about a musical act 1642 01:22:31,767 --> 01:22:33,325 and they are passing headphones back and forth 1643 01:22:33,326 --> 01:22:34,606 and going this is great! 1644 01:22:36,567 --> 01:22:39,843 Hey do you know that I heard this C D is really hard to find 1645 01:22:39,927 --> 01:22:45,160 but I heard they sell it at store X. 1646 01:22:45,687 --> 01:22:47,006 You hear that and you register it 1647 01:22:47,127 --> 01:22:48,563 and you might kind of pick up on that 1648 01:22:48,564 --> 01:22:50,000 and may be later on you�ll think 1649 01:22:50,367 --> 01:22:51,436 hey I wonder what the hot act is bang 1650 01:22:51,437 --> 01:22:52,618 that might be in your head. 1651 01:22:52,619 --> 01:22:53,800 Now you get into your office 1652 01:22:54,207 --> 01:22:56,801 and there�s a certain brand of water in the refrigerator. 1653 01:22:57,087 --> 01:22:59,006 What is that? 1654 01:22:59,007 --> 01:23:00,918 You take it out you drink you slug it down it's there 1655 01:23:00,927 --> 01:23:02,918 not really thinking about it. 1656 01:23:03,327 --> 01:23:03,806 Wow! 1657 01:23:03,807 --> 01:23:05,525 That�s pretty good water. 1658 01:23:05,727 --> 01:23:07,046 Who knows? 1659 01:23:07,167 --> 01:23:08,486 Maybe someone placed the water there 1660 01:23:08,607 --> 01:23:09,566 You kind of go out for your lunch break 1661 01:23:09,567 --> 01:23:12,161 you�re sitting in the park and people are kind of out there 1662 01:23:12,407 --> 01:23:13,556 talking in the park and bang 1663 01:23:13,847 --> 01:23:14,996 all of a sudden you hear another message. 1664 01:23:18,927 --> 01:23:20,804 By the time you go to bed you've probably received 1665 01:23:20,847 --> 01:23:25,398 eight or nine different undercover messages. 1666 01:23:25,527 --> 01:23:26,403 People are always thinking 1667 01:23:26,487 --> 01:23:27,761 well oh I know product placement. 1668 01:23:27,927 --> 01:23:29,485 That�s when they put stuff in movies! 1669 01:23:29,486 --> 01:23:30,766 Well yes kind of. 1670 01:23:30,807 --> 01:23:32,638 I mean that�s definitely traditional product placement. 1671 01:23:32,727 --> 01:23:34,843 But real life product placement is just that: 1672 01:23:35,127 --> 01:23:38,676 Placing stuff in movies but the movie�s actually your life 1673 01:23:38,967 --> 01:23:41,356 Well take a group of attainable 1674 01:23:41,367 --> 01:23:42,197 but still inspirational people 1675 01:23:42,327 --> 01:23:43,237 they are not supermodels 1676 01:23:43,287 --> 01:23:45,482 they are kind of people just like you 1677 01:23:45,483 --> 01:23:46,960 they�re doing something for us 1678 01:23:47,367 --> 01:23:49,278 whether they are having a certain kind of drink 1679 01:23:49,287 --> 01:23:50,606 or they are using a certain laundry detergent 1680 01:23:50,727 --> 01:23:52,046 whatever it may be. 1681 01:23:52,167 --> 01:23:56,240 They are kind of the roach motel if you will 1682 01:23:56,487 --> 01:23:58,000 People are going to come over to them 1683 01:23:58,001 --> 01:23:59,280 and they are going to give them 1684 01:23:59,281 --> 01:24:00,559 this little piece of brand bait. 1685 01:24:00,807 --> 01:24:02,399 It could be a sound bite of knowledge or a ritual. 1686 01:24:02,727 --> 01:24:05,321 Consumers will get that piece of roach bait 1687 01:24:05,322 --> 01:24:06,242 then they would take it. 1688 01:24:06,567 --> 01:24:07,366 Oh pretty cool! 1689 01:24:07,367 --> 01:24:09,961 Then they go out and spread it to their friends. 1690 01:24:10,047 --> 01:24:11,082 If you want to be critical 1691 01:24:11,327 --> 01:24:12,282 if you want to go through your life like that 1692 01:24:12,287 --> 01:24:13,402 sure be critical of every single person 1693 01:24:13,527 --> 01:24:15,597 that walks up to you. 1694 01:24:15,727 --> 01:24:17,126 But if they are showing you something that fits 1695 01:24:17,167 --> 01:24:18,316 and something that works 1696 01:24:18,607 --> 01:24:20,040 and something that makes your life better in some way 1697 01:24:20,047 --> 01:24:21,446 well then who cares. 1698 01:24:21,487 --> 01:24:24,126 We again just say thanks! 131894

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