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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,000 the owner of the tokens. 2 00:00:10,100 --> 00:00:14,360 Utility tokens, on the other hand, refers to tokens that operate as 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:15,360 specific currencies. 4 00:00:15,869 --> 00:00:19,810 Imagine that, for instance, you do not utilize standard currency on social 5 00:00:19,810 --> 00:00:24,210 media, but a token that has been developed particularly for these 6 00:00:24,210 --> 00:00:28,190 subsequently you can exchange this token for certain features on the platform. 7 00:00:32,310 --> 00:00:36,410 The process of tokenization begins with the collection of information about the 8 00:00:36,410 --> 00:00:40,510 assets. This can be, for example, a detailed description of a property. 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,360 or a list of works of art in a collection with all their individual 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:51,220 characteristics this information is then converted 11 00:00:51,220 --> 00:00:55,980 into a digital form and stored subsequently a token is generated that 12 00:00:55,980 --> 00:01:01,240 the ownership rights to the described tangible asset the token is also stored 13 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,640 blockchain and contains a unique digital fingerprint of the asset thanks to 14 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:06,640 individual information 15 00:01:12,759 --> 00:01:17,080 There is a considerable opposition because it represents a new technology 16 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,240 paradigm shift in the approach. 17 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,960 Previously, when moving a security from A to B, physical transfer was necessary, 18 00:01:24,180 --> 00:01:25,720 hence the creation of securities. 19 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:31,500 Now, however, there is only a register, this sufficient to modify access rights 20 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:33,220 to a token and transfer it. 21 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,820 In essence, the security is now linked to the assets and no longer a freely 22 00:01:39,820 --> 00:01:40,940 transferable security. 23 00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:44,580 This change has various consequences for the process involved. 24 00:01:44,940 --> 00:01:49,380 Our current objective is to integrate all the available technologies, such as 25 00:01:49,380 --> 00:01:53,600 digital identities, digital currencies, and tokenization in a manner that 26 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,700 achieves genuine democratized access. 27 00:02:00,170 --> 00:02:04,030 Once a token has been created and stored on a blockchain, it can be managed 28 00:02:04,030 --> 00:02:05,230 through smart contracts. 29 00:02:06,210 --> 00:02:10,310 Smart contracts can be used to transfer rent payments to an investor on a pro 30 00:02:10,310 --> 00:02:13,170 rata basis as soon as the rent has been received. 31 00:02:13,670 --> 00:02:18,070 Or a smart contract automatically initiates payments as soon as certain 32 00:02:18,070 --> 00:02:19,950 milestones are reached in a project. 33 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,480 The interesting thing about token is we could say it's a smart contract that is 34 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:26,540 registered on a blockchain. 35 00:02:26,820 --> 00:02:29,660 But in the end, we talk about programmable values. 36 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:33,660 I don't want to say money here because there might be a difference between 37 00:02:33,660 --> 00:02:36,820 and its regulation and transferable values. 38 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,040 But it will be very important, for example, if we think about 39 00:02:41,140 --> 00:02:45,920 that we not only introduce a new digital asset, but that it generates impact. 40 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,680 So we need to add meaning. 41 00:02:49,550 --> 00:02:51,010 to a certain nominal factor. 42 00:02:51,530 --> 00:02:56,570 And this will be, I think, the most relevant aspect of tokenization, that we 43 00:02:56,570 --> 00:03:02,210 create digital units for whatever underlying asset, but that we can 44 00:03:02,210 --> 00:03:05,450 use, we can incentivize certain behaviors. 45 00:03:07,950 --> 00:03:11,410 Investment in tokenized real estates represents one of the most recent 46 00:03:11,410 --> 00:03:13,030 advancements in the property industry. 47 00:03:13,750 --> 00:03:18,130 Tokenization enables houses and apartments to be divided and sold in 48 00:03:18,130 --> 00:03:19,130 smaller units. 49 00:03:23,790 --> 00:03:27,670 More programs act like a bridge between the property and an online trading 50 00:03:27,670 --> 00:03:32,270 platform. Hence, tokens create a digital representation of a property, 51 00:03:32,390 --> 00:03:34,370 facilitating its digital transfer. 52 00:03:39,060 --> 00:03:43,240 Many potential investors are either unwilling to enter this market on a 53 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,940 scale or unable to do so due to factors such as lack of equity or difficulties 54 00:03:47,940 --> 00:03:49,340 in obtaining debt financing. 55 00:03:50,220 --> 00:03:55,000 The concept of tokenization offers a significant advantage by enabling the 56 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,700 smallest unit of investment to be acquired at a much lower threshold. 57 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,920 For instance, a flat owner could split a property worth €100 ,000 into 1 ,000 58 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:16,519 tokens. Each token would be valued at €100, representing a small portion of 59 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:17,519 flat. 60 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,660 Investors would then hold the rights to a particular percentage of rental income 61 00:04:22,660 --> 00:04:23,660 with each token. 62 00:04:24,900 --> 00:04:29,320 After deducting costs like property tax through payers and insurance, investors 63 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:34,040 stand to profit as the apartment increases in value over time and rental 64 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,040 grows. 65 00:04:38,820 --> 00:04:43,340 Another benefit of tokenization is the ability to convert the individual tokens 66 00:04:43,340 --> 00:04:46,620 anytime, 24x7 via apps or trading platforms. 67 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:52,120 Furthermore, the need to visit a notary and have the property or share notarized 68 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,100 before purchasing is eliminated. 69 00:05:02,230 --> 00:05:05,750 Purchasers can efficiently manage their tokens through a mobile wallet 70 00:05:05,750 --> 00:05:10,470 application. The app's features may vary depending on its design, allowing users 71 00:05:10,470 --> 00:05:14,850 to track their incoming payments, monitor token value fluctuations via 72 00:05:14,850 --> 00:05:17,090 displays, and sell tokens through their smartphones. 73 00:05:19,830 --> 00:05:24,310 Real estate tokens follow similar regulations to securities and do not 74 00:05:24,310 --> 00:05:26,650 physical ownership of the underlying property. 75 00:05:27,860 --> 00:05:32,060 Essentially, a real estate token functions as a loan that the provider 76 00:05:32,060 --> 00:05:33,060 for property financing. 77 00:05:34,740 --> 00:05:39,540 The loan's interest is covered by the rental income, which poses a risk of 78 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,240 The possibility of rent defaults, and in extreme cases, the provider's 79 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,700 insolvency, increases this risk as compared to investing through a property 80 00:05:48,700 --> 00:05:51,860 fund, which is usually diversified across many properties. 81 00:05:54,729 --> 00:05:59,350 In Germany, such a scenario isn't yet to be realized due to the absence of a 82 00:05:59,350 --> 00:06:03,230 regulatory framework that facilitates the scrutinization of property rights 83 00:06:03,230 --> 00:06:05,130 associated with land and real estate. 84 00:06:08,190 --> 00:06:12,050 The process of purchasing a property is still associated with significant 85 00:06:12,050 --> 00:06:15,710 bureaucracy, lengthy procedures, and subsequent high costs. 86 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,540 Digital art projects were the first to bring tokenization to public attention. 87 00:06:27,780 --> 00:06:32,140 With its assistance of non -fungible tokens, digital art pieces are typically 88 00:06:32,140 --> 00:06:34,020 secured as a whole in the blockchain. 89 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:40,920 In March 2021, American artist Beeple sold a digital collage comprising 5 ,000 90 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:46,980 individual images for an extraordinary $69 .35 million at an auction. 91 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:52,380 A single tweet by Jack Dorsey, founder of Twitter, was purchased by a fan for 92 00:06:52,380 --> 00:06:55,440 impressive sum of 2 .9 million US dollars. 93 00:06:56,060 --> 00:07:00,720 My name is Ever Fresh, also known as Sebastian Pfeiffer. So that's my real 94 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:04,580 We are not going to see anything like we've seen in 2021. 95 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:11,880 So that ship has sailed. My hope actually is that the market will reach 96 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,600 a more mature state where price levels are reasonable. 97 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:23,920 and artists can actually live off their art sales in that digital space. 98 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:30,800 It's never going to be everyone that's clear, but that's not how it works. 99 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,440 So it's always just going to be a few that will be able to make a living out 100 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,440 it. If you look at the clear number, the people collecting crypto are just 101 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,500 growing and growing and growing. 102 00:07:40,740 --> 00:07:42,940 My name is Sergio Roberto Schmolt. 103 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:48,880 i'm the founder and ceo of magal magal stands for meta art gallery there is of 104 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:54,720 course the 2021 january bubble where you had a crypto art nft market explosion 105 00:07:54,720 --> 00:08:01,000 with 14 000 percent if you have such a high increase you fall down very very 106 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,600 briefly so what we are doing right now we are trying to get a new base level 107 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,780 from that level we can progress together with crypto together with bitcoin 108 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:11,520 together with everything that is behind it 109 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,200 Art tokens may be obtained from any location worldwide, allowing for 110 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,300 international investment in the art industry. 111 00:08:19,580 --> 00:08:25,060 Twitter is the main platform to promote your stuff in the NFT world. 112 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:31,860 And you can also use other social media platforms, but Twitter is by far the one 113 00:08:31,860 --> 00:08:32,860 with the most impact. 114 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,679 I reach my audience mainly through Twitter. Of course, I promote my work on 115 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:42,840 other social media platforms as well. But I've not noticed any correlation 116 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,560 directly to sales through other platforms than Twitter. 117 00:08:46,940 --> 00:08:52,020 I would say the biggest trend right now is the thing that we are doing, coming 118 00:08:52,020 --> 00:08:56,780 from the metaverse and coming into in real life. So you can only feel... 119 00:09:21,090 --> 00:09:23,830 And that means that these are tokens 120 00:09:24,930 --> 00:09:27,530 And that means these tokens are essentially unique. 121 00:09:27,770 --> 00:09:31,530 We can illustrate this concept by considering a one -euro coin. 122 00:09:32,310 --> 00:09:36,410 When we hold this coin in our hand, we do not distinguish it from any other one 123 00:09:36,410 --> 00:09:39,090 -euro coin as they have identical purchasing power. 124 00:09:39,790 --> 00:09:42,330 Such coins are referred to as fungible. 125 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,280 The same principle applies to securities such as BMW shares. 126 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,680 We do not differentiate between individual shares as they are fungible. 127 00:09:51,260 --> 00:09:55,420 The BMW share represents identical voting rights and values. 128 00:09:55,740 --> 00:10:01,960 Non -fungible tokens, NFTs, can be likened to artworks such as owning a 129 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,000 Picasso painting or the Mona Lisa. 130 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,840 While forgeries may exist, the genuine Mona Lisa is one -of -a -kind and non 131 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,520 -fungible with no other exact copies. 132 00:10:13,380 --> 00:10:18,020 Art also employs the concept of limited edition prints where a photo may have, 133 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,580 for instance, only 100 copies, each with a unique number. 134 00:10:27,050 --> 00:10:31,550 These numbered prints belong to a specific series, although numerous 135 00:10:31,550 --> 00:10:32,550 be used. 136 00:10:32,830 --> 00:10:37,450 The idea is for each token to be exclusively identified, but on the other 137 00:10:37,510 --> 00:10:41,550 fungible security tokens are identical and can be exchanged for each other. 138 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,360 it's not because you call something an nft that it won't be under mica so they 139 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,800 really are mentioning that if something is issued in a large series uh it's an 140 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,920 indicator of the fungibility so then it doesn't necessarily mean it will be an 141 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,960 nft but again what is large series we don't know yet so we hope hope we'll 142 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,960 some clarification down the road but so those little things we can play with 143 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:22,540 words you don't know especially that the technology evolves so quickly most nft 144 00:11:22,540 --> 00:11:27,620 sales are actually auctions they're not auctions in the classical sense uh where 145 00:11:27,620 --> 00:11:33,660 there's like a guy with a hammer but it it just um you usually put your your pr 146 00:11:33,660 --> 00:11:38,780 your piece on the platform uh with a with the reserve and once the reserve is 147 00:11:38,780 --> 00:11:45,360 met um then there's like uh you can define that how long the auction goes 148 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,460 usually it's like a 24 -hour auction 149 00:11:48,220 --> 00:11:53,300 and then the timer starts, and it runs for 24 hours, and then it depends if 150 00:11:53,300 --> 00:11:57,520 other people put in their bids as well, if the price goes up or not. 151 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:04,480 Most platforms take between 5 % and 15%. Some also take 152 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:11,420 20%. Most take between 5 % and 15%. For artists themselves, 153 00:12:11,820 --> 00:12:15,640 tokenizations could also be an exciting vehicle for the sale of their works. 154 00:12:18,860 --> 00:12:23,200 Theoretically, the artists can even offer themselves to investors as an 155 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,200 investment. 156 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,540 If their value increases, investors will benefit. 157 00:12:30,460 --> 00:12:34,640 On the other hand, the artists generate a regular additional income. 158 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,940 The art market remains considerably unclear, necessitating a thorough 159 00:12:49,940 --> 00:12:54,240 of the players, the influencing factors, the dynamics of the market in order to 160 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,320 be competitive when buying works of art. 161 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:05,260 Our collection of works from the top 100 artists is usually unavailable 162 00:13:05,260 --> 00:13:06,260 at local galleries. 163 00:13:06,650 --> 00:13:09,530 but is sourced from the leading international galleries without access. 164 00:13:10,130 --> 00:13:14,190 Artworks become either unobtainable or extremely expensive due to multiple 165 00:13:14,190 --> 00:13:16,630 flows, each resulting in price increases. 166 00:13:25,470 --> 00:13:29,430 Fractional ownership of an asset is represented in the field of art via so 167 00:13:29,430 --> 00:13:34,550 -called art security tokens or AACs. These are digital assets that correspond 168 00:13:34,550 --> 00:13:35,610 a part of a work of art. 169 00:13:40,980 --> 00:13:41,980 Previously, 170 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,320 this market was exclusive to the super -rich due to the exorbitant prices of 171 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:53,540 art. Prices are often in the millions, which few can afford. But our trade is 172 00:13:53,540 --> 00:13:58,300 changing that. We possess a meticulous network of art experts who identify 173 00:13:58,300 --> 00:14:00,140 appealing works on your behalf. 174 00:14:00,580 --> 00:14:04,660 The entire process involves a complex data analysis procedure. 175 00:14:07,020 --> 00:14:11,240 the relevant information as each artwork is assigned a single digital security 176 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,700 which comes in a form of a security token. 177 00:14:18,340 --> 00:14:23,200 The value of one token corresponds to one euro of the artwork's view value. 178 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,640 In essence, this is a fully regulated digital security as per the new 179 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:29,660 Securities Act. 180 00:14:38,130 --> 00:14:43,190 This allows us to treat the token and its securities similarly to other 181 00:14:43,190 --> 00:14:47,630 conventional securities, ultimately facilitating their integration into the 182 00:14:47,630 --> 00:14:49,210 financial industry's infrastructure. 183 00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:59,020 Thanks to their assistance, Anyone can now invest in works of art that would 184 00:14:59,020 --> 00:15:02,700 typically be excluded from an average investor's portfolio under normal 185 00:15:02,700 --> 00:15:03,700 circumstances. 186 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,860 You can invest in these works of art indirectly with as little as 1 ,000 187 00:15:09,860 --> 00:15:11,440 by purchasing these tokens. 188 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,940 This ensures that our enthusiasts with smaller budgets can engage in 189 00:15:16,940 --> 00:15:17,940 art projects. 190 00:15:22,100 --> 00:15:24,980 Even the old masters can now be found on the blockchain. 191 00:15:25,550 --> 00:15:30,270 Just recently, Pablo Picasso's masterpiece, Fier Obere, was tokenized 192 00:15:30,270 --> 00:15:31,270 blockchain. 193 00:15:32,850 --> 00:15:37,650 A Zurich -based crypto bank is responsible, which dismantled the oil 194 00:15:37,650 --> 00:15:42,650 into 4 ,000 of the art tokens and sold them for 1 ,000 Swiss francs each. 195 00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:47,950 For this purpose, the tokens were in turn converted into blockchain -based 196 00:15:47,950 --> 00:15:52,130 securities, which represent an undisputed legal claim to the unique 197 00:15:52,130 --> 00:15:54,430 from 1964 in Switzerland. 198 00:15:57,550 --> 00:16:04,150 As an investor, you do not acquire a piece of the artwork itself, but rather 199 00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:06,990 scrutinized claim to participate in its performance. 200 00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:12,250 We made a conscious choice to avoid fractional ownership and instead offer a 201 00:16:12,250 --> 00:16:16,610 security as it aligns with a traditional investment product and can seamlessly 202 00:16:16,610 --> 00:16:18,510 integrate into the financial system. 203 00:16:23,850 --> 00:16:28,930 When works are traded on a secondary market, often after a prior purchase, 204 00:16:28,930 --> 00:16:32,010 artist or artists typically do not participate further. 205 00:16:33,030 --> 00:16:37,910 However, we aim to expand this model in the long term by exploring the potential 206 00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:40,270 of structuring tokens in smart contracts. 207 00:16:42,090 --> 00:16:44,350 Currently, the concept remains uncertain. 208 00:16:47,380 --> 00:16:51,580 This would allow the artists to maintain a permanent stake in the value 209 00:16:51,580 --> 00:16:54,600 development of their artwork to a percentage of ownership. 210 00:16:55,460 --> 00:17:00,080 I see a very bright future. When I look at my kids, the things they collect, 211 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:06,020 Fortnite skins or some digital weapon for a game, this kind of collection 212 00:17:06,020 --> 00:17:10,760 feeling is parallel to crypto art collection. 213 00:17:10,980 --> 00:17:14,200 So people will not hang a Picasso. 214 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,900 in oil painting on their wall my kids will not do it they will collect other 215 00:17:18,900 --> 00:17:25,660 and this may be the art that they are collecting funding 216 00:17:25,660 --> 00:17:30,400 for major art galleries museums collections and artwork storage 217 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:35,880 also benefit from tokenization in the near future because they invest huge 218 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:42,120 in protection of their artworks theft vandalism preventing this cost money 219 00:17:42,860 --> 00:17:44,640 money that museums don't have. 220 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,080 The entrance fees and funding pots are often not enough to expand the 221 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:50,080 collections. 222 00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:53,260 Tokenizations could help them gain this liquidity. 223 00:17:53,460 --> 00:17:57,860 It could make the collection or a selected part of it available to 224 00:17:57,860 --> 00:18:00,540 make a profit from an increase in the value of the artwork. 225 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,140 A stock is a security issued by a company. 226 00:18:15,620 --> 00:18:19,640 Depending on the type of share, this can be a claim to a portion of the profits, 227 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,000 dividends, or a say. 228 00:18:23,140 --> 00:18:26,440 Companies issue shares to raise additional funds for their businesses' 229 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:27,600 development. 230 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:32,260 But despite digitalization, trading in shares remains inefficient in many 231 00:18:32,260 --> 00:18:33,260 places. 232 00:18:33,940 --> 00:18:37,460 If you want to invest in stocks, you have to buy a whole share. 233 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,240 However, the shares of large companies often cost over $1 ,000. 234 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,080 This limits the circle of those who can afford it. 235 00:18:46,300 --> 00:18:50,520 And even if you secure a fraction of the large companies, this automatically 236 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:55,080 eliminates the possibility of diversifying your portfolio by investing 237 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,080 multiple stocks. 238 00:19:00,260 --> 00:19:04,300 My name is Philip Piper. I'm the founder of Swarm. 239 00:19:04,700 --> 00:19:09,180 We are a tokenization platform that does both primary issuance as well as 240 00:19:09,180 --> 00:19:10,179 secondary trading. 241 00:19:10,180 --> 00:19:14,720 In the past two years, there's been obviously a very high degree of focus on 242 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,960 crypto assets. So basically, you know, Bitcoin and derivatives of Bitcoin, as 243 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,280 well as sort of other native assets that were on sort of the blockchain like 244 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,280 Ethereum. 245 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,780 But it's been shown obviously that there's a very high degree of 246 00:19:28,780 --> 00:19:30,300 amongst all these assets. 247 00:19:30,500 --> 00:19:33,780 So if the market goes up, everything goes up. If the market goes down and 248 00:19:33,780 --> 00:19:35,280 crashes down, everything goes down. 249 00:19:35,660 --> 00:19:40,080 So in that world, there is a need to actually have something called real 250 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,800 assets replicated onto chain, which actually derive the value of what they 251 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,940 from the underlying asset that is connected with that kind of digital 252 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,640 So a good example of that is basically a stablecoin. 253 00:19:55,690 --> 00:19:59,950 tokenization makes it possible to buy fractional shares of these large 254 00:19:59,950 --> 00:20:04,690 instead of buying an entire share you can only buy a portion of a share and 255 00:20:04,690 --> 00:20:10,590 generate a proportionate return this transformation is already reshaping 256 00:20:10,590 --> 00:20:15,710 investments BlackRock, the world's largest asset manager, has taken its 257 00:20:15,710 --> 00:20:20,530 steps by launching Bitcoin and tokenized ETFs. And today the fixed income 258 00:20:20,530 --> 00:20:27,470 markets are totally imbued by ETFs. And so at BlackRock, 259 00:20:27,490 --> 00:20:32,170 when we bought BGI, we had $290 billion of ETFs. Today we have $3 .5 trillion. 260 00:20:33,550 --> 00:20:35,870 And then this week alone. 261 00:20:37,230 --> 00:20:42,150 Just yesterday, we launched the iShares Bitcoin ETF. 262 00:20:42,510 --> 00:20:48,410 And so I would say to you, if we could ETF a Bitcoin, imagine what we could do 263 00:20:48,410 --> 00:20:50,050 with all financial instruments. 264 00:20:50,410 --> 00:20:54,470 Tokenization is used to create digital images of securities that have already 265 00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:55,409 been issued. 266 00:20:55,410 --> 00:20:58,090 This is referred to as a token derivative. 267 00:20:58,470 --> 00:21:02,570 These are scrutinized in the blockchain and thus embedded in a more flexible 268 00:21:02,570 --> 00:21:06,230 infrastructure. So in principle, you get a normal stock. 269 00:21:06,670 --> 00:21:08,050 but with the advantage of cryptocurrency. 270 00:21:13,290 --> 00:21:17,250 The price of the tokenized pair is always equal to the share price of the 271 00:21:17,250 --> 00:21:18,189 issuing company. 272 00:21:18,190 --> 00:21:21,150 Not everything recorded on -chain represents full ownership. 273 00:21:21,530 --> 00:21:23,230 Some tokens are only wrappers. 274 00:21:23,580 --> 00:21:25,660 price exposure without voting or dividend rights. 275 00:21:53,470 --> 00:21:54,850 you know, equity from a company. 276 00:21:55,050 --> 00:21:59,150 If the value of the deposited share doubles, the value of the tokenized 277 00:21:59,150 --> 00:22:00,150 also doubles. 278 00:22:00,290 --> 00:22:04,850 The price action is analyzed in a similar way to stocks, not like critical 279 00:22:04,850 --> 00:22:05,850 currencies. 280 00:22:07,230 --> 00:22:13,750 So stablecoin is effectively a token that represents maybe a dollar. So one 281 00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:17,250 token equals one dollar. You should actually have the ability to put 282 00:22:17,250 --> 00:22:20,490 that has value, anything that has some kind of substance. 283 00:22:21,370 --> 00:22:25,530 onto the blockchain, into the trading environment, into the ability to 284 00:22:25,530 --> 00:22:31,090 fractionalize and mobilize these assets, there's a very large realm of different 285 00:22:31,090 --> 00:22:35,570 asset qualities that you can gain by putting them as a digital asset onto the 286 00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:38,990 chain. So if you have one Apple stock that is represented in one token, 287 00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:44,530 well, you can buy a cent of an Apple stock if you want to, right? 288 00:22:45,410 --> 00:22:47,410 That you cannot do in the traditional market. 289 00:22:49,780 --> 00:22:53,760 Tokenization significantly reduces the barriers to entry into the new financial 290 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,940 market. The vast majority of all companies worldwide are currently 291 00:22:57,940 --> 00:23:01,700 companies. There's derivative product that probably mimics some of that, but 292 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:02,760 it's not the degree of flexibility. 293 00:23:03,140 --> 00:23:06,840 The second thing is that you actually have an immediate settlement. 294 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:11,440 So if I go on to some kind of exchange, some kind of decentralized exchange, 295 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,820 some kind of trading venue, and you and I agree on a price, 296 00:23:16,980 --> 00:23:20,680 Actually, by executing on the blockchain, immediately the transfer of 297 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,600 ownership to you has been executed. 298 00:23:22,980 --> 00:23:26,740 Normally, in the financial market, that takes two to three days to settle. From 299 00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:29,540 a regular player perspective, the United States is also in a unique position 300 00:23:29,540 --> 00:23:30,540 because of the dollar. 301 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:37,080 So the dollar is, as famously once said, the dollar is the United States 302 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,300 currency, but everyone else's problem. 303 00:23:39,220 --> 00:23:43,000 But really, I don't... fully by that argument. I think that the dollar is 304 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,060 the United States' problem now because you have jurisdictions in other parts of 305 00:23:46,060 --> 00:23:50,980 the world that are essentially creating regulation for digital U .S. dollars in 306 00:23:50,980 --> 00:23:53,560 the future. And none of this is coming from the U .S. yet. 307 00:23:54,020 --> 00:23:59,400 So, you know, regulating stablecoins is one of the lower -hanging fruit that 308 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:00,079 they could... 309 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,400 that they could tackle in terms of, you know, reasserting the position of dollar 310 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,680 hegemony. And this is not a position that Europe has to the same degree. 311 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,960 I mean, you know, the U .S. dollar still makes up somewhere around like 60 % of 312 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,160 global reserve. 313 00:24:13,380 --> 00:24:17,220 The United States political system is also, by design, an invitation to 314 00:24:17,220 --> 00:24:20,960 struggle. It has been since the Declaration of Independence. 315 00:24:21,220 --> 00:24:24,020 So you always have to, when you're looking at the U .S., you always have to 316 00:24:24,020 --> 00:24:25,020 think of this. 317 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:28,880 The tokenized shares thus build a bridge between traditional stock exchange, 318 00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:33,200 such as Extra or the Frankfurt Stock Exchange, and a crypto exchange, such as 319 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,480 Binance. Institutional adoption now is a recognizable name. 320 00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:39,660 Global asset managers are already entering the tokenized economy. 321 00:24:40,020 --> 00:24:44,220 Our customers are the largest asset managers in the world, like BlackRock 322 00:24:44,220 --> 00:24:46,780 Apollo and Hamilton Lane, KKR, etc. 323 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,700 And that gives us a competitive advantage that now that they start the 324 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:52,140 regulatory clarity, we'll... 325 00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:56,280 probably ensure that we continue leading the industry as we've been doing it for 326 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,279 the last few years. 327 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,680 Depending on a network and crypto exchange, token transactions can be 328 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,780 in a matter of minutes. 329 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:12,040 If you have the ability to trade on a 24 -7 basis without any kind of stoppage 330 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,920 of the market, it's a benefit. It actually means real money for people. 331 00:25:16,830 --> 00:25:20,970 If you can attach governance processes to these technical things, it is a 332 00:25:20,970 --> 00:25:24,430 benefit because you have a much more real -time interaction with the way that 333 00:25:24,430 --> 00:25:26,890 the asset down below can actually transact. 334 00:25:27,270 --> 00:25:32,210 But even more so if you actually then have the confidence, which means that 335 00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:37,770 have some data that is connected with the token that points to where it 336 00:25:37,770 --> 00:25:42,070 goes and what it represents and the live data reporting what it actually has in 337 00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:43,070 terms of values. 338 00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:47,230 then suddenly you're not reliant on a quarterly report, but you have a real 339 00:25:47,230 --> 00:25:48,230 -time view on it. 340 00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:53,110 As smart contracts perform, buy and sell orders of tokens on a blockchain, 341 00:25:53,370 --> 00:25:57,570 there's no longer need to rely on a broker or banker as an intermediary. 342 00:25:59,070 --> 00:26:03,970 So I would say that broadly those would be some of the aspects where 343 00:26:03,970 --> 00:26:06,770 tokenization will transform the financial industry. 344 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:10,860 Whether or not you buy that there will be a complete removal of intermediaries, 345 00:26:10,860 --> 00:26:15,600 it will certainly limit the role of intermediaries or diminish the frequency 346 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,660 intermediaries in certain financial transactions. 347 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:23,060 In the world of tokenization, in the end, it all represents something that 348 00:26:23,060 --> 00:26:27,140 some kind of resemblance in real life. So there's a trust element that needs to 349 00:26:27,140 --> 00:26:31,500 be created, which also means that if the token gets lost, it really depends on 350 00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:36,300 how you set it up, you can actually sort of then make sure that it's either, you 351 00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:42,010 know, respecting who the real owner is, or basically gets redistributed back to 352 00:26:42,010 --> 00:26:43,009 the original owner. 353 00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:44,790 It's just an efficiency technology. 354 00:26:45,970 --> 00:26:50,470 The sale a company shares is bureaucratic, takes a long time, and 355 00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:51,470 actors. 356 00:26:52,679 --> 00:26:58,440 We need to unite the technical possibilities in the traditional world. 357 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,400 latter insists on maintaining the status quo as it has proven stable over the 358 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,400 last few decades. 359 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,300 There are stakeholders who profit from this naturally. 360 00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:11,720 And conversely, the DEFI and crypto community advocates for self 361 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,780 in every aspect. 362 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:18,040 However, the reality likely lies somewhere between these extremes and we 363 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,040 construct accordingly. 364 00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:24,370 Investors do not have access to these companies. 365 00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:28,830 Investments in these companies are mainly made by financial institutions in 366 00:27:28,830 --> 00:27:30,810 form of expensive loans or equity funds. 367 00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:33,490 The market therefore has a minimal liquidity. 368 00:27:34,270 --> 00:27:39,510 Yes, I think it will affect more the B2B space because for us as end users, we 369 00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:42,130 are interested in usability and of course in trust. 370 00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:47,650 But we're not necessarily interested if a banking or fintech app is using 371 00:27:47,650 --> 00:27:51,970 technology A or technology B, especially if we talk about mass adoption. 372 00:27:52,270 --> 00:27:55,870 Then this should not play a role. It should be a well -performing app. 373 00:27:56,770 --> 00:28:01,310 When investing, it is almost always for the long term. If the company's 374 00:28:01,310 --> 00:28:05,210 management takes a different direction, investors cannot simply get out. 375 00:28:05,410 --> 00:28:09,490 They then try to influence the management of the company. The process 376 00:28:09,490 --> 00:28:11,670 sluggish. Just to think of it as... 377 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,380 well, it's an open system and therefore everyone has access, that's also not 378 00:28:15,380 --> 00:28:20,720 entirely true. It means that depending how you set up the system, And that very 379 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,640 much depends on what asset it represents. 380 00:28:23,020 --> 00:28:26,500 You have restrictions that you artificially have to build into the 381 00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:32,000 only a certain type of customer can buy into those specific asset tokens, or 382 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,680 that there's only a certain behavior that is allowed to be executed with the 383 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,100 token. So there's very much a technology -enforced restriction. But what it 384 00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:44,260 gives you is actually a much higher degree of confidence from a regulatory 385 00:28:44,260 --> 00:28:49,660 process as well, that because it's code, And because it's actually enforcing 386 00:28:49,660 --> 00:28:53,980 what the code is being told to do, that you cannot really bypass it. 387 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,580 We expect tokenization and blockchain technology to play a role to design more 388 00:28:59,580 --> 00:29:04,760 efficient and streamlined processes. So that's step number one. Then we will 389 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,420 potentially tokenize and also use blockchain technology to finance in 390 00:29:09,420 --> 00:29:13,040 ways and to tokenize different assets. So that's, let's say, a growth aspect. 391 00:29:13,770 --> 00:29:19,530 Depending on regulation, but also on, let's say, strategic decisions, some 392 00:29:19,530 --> 00:29:24,730 automated neo -blockchain banks or neo -blockchain players are on the market. 393 00:29:24,970 --> 00:29:31,530 We can expect that new use cases and a whole new set of process designs will 394 00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:32,369 the day of light. 395 00:29:32,370 --> 00:29:38,690 This means a totally new category targeting new use cases that are not 396 00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:40,230 right there available. 397 00:29:45,199 --> 00:29:48,940 Discussions regarding the energy industry's future increasingly center 398 00:29:48,940 --> 00:29:49,940 energy tokenization. 399 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,200 Renewable energies have grown increasingly popular in our current era. 400 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,240 Wind and solar parks continue to attract a growing number of investors. 401 00:30:01,340 --> 00:30:04,700 My name is Echo. I am CEO of Realport. 402 00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:10,560 Decentralization of energy is already there, and it's only going to 403 00:30:10,580 --> 00:30:12,700 I think, the past years. 404 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:20,240 considering the Ukraine war and considering the thrive of governments 405 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,780 and of society to become more independent has shown an incredible boom 406 00:30:24,780 --> 00:30:27,200 rooftop solar and decentralized energy. 407 00:30:28,180 --> 00:30:34,960 So as not only the companies and supply chains grow more mature, it's going to 408 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:41,640 be even easier for tenants of houses and for owners of houses in order to, 409 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,760 number one, put solar into the roof. 410 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:50,340 And then it's a matter of connecting that amongst the various decentralized 411 00:30:50,340 --> 00:30:56,000 hubs, meaning from one roof to another, and into the grid in a smart way. And I 412 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,820 do think that technology can play a fantastic. 413 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,980 The energy sector's intricate network is hindered by outdated infrastructure and 414 00:31:03,980 --> 00:31:05,480 numerous inefficient processes. 415 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,860 Utilizing blockchain can enhance the efficiency of the energy supply. 416 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,180 And efficiency means saving costs. 417 00:31:14,540 --> 00:31:18,620 Saving costs means that you can bring in smaller projects, and smaller projects 418 00:31:18,620 --> 00:31:21,940 also means that you can bring in smaller investors. The biggest advantage is for 419 00:31:21,940 --> 00:31:26,040 the smaller guys. It's making it more efficient, making access more efficient, 420 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,680 and also enabling smaller wind farms in order to participate within the energy 421 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:31,680 economy. 422 00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:38,220 Thanks to its decentralized architecture, it can document and supply 423 00:31:38,220 --> 00:31:40,220 multiple energy producers simultaneously. 424 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:43,700 which is a much more complex process with a centralized system. 425 00:31:44,020 --> 00:31:48,400 In such systems, every producer has to first send their data to a central 426 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,300 location for bundling and processing. 427 00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:55,000 In a decentralized blockchain network, anyone can feed the data directly. 428 00:31:55,340 --> 00:32:00,420 By means of tokenization, a digital copy of each physical energy unit can be 429 00:32:00,420 --> 00:32:01,520 stored on a blockchain. 430 00:32:01,820 --> 00:32:06,740 This automation of administrative processes can significantly reduce the 431 00:32:06,740 --> 00:32:07,740 energy. 432 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,500 You know, the way we see it, there are two different forms. 433 00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:19,080 One form is sharing the economic performance out of an energy project, 434 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,300 renewable energy project. 435 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:26,800 That means a generator wants to set up a wind farm and needs investors, right? 436 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,320 And will promise essentially the proceeds of this wind farm to be shared 437 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,219 the investors. 438 00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:33,340 So now we can... 439 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,140 Blockchain technology allows for the tracing of energy from the source to the 440 00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:02,140 end consumer. 441 00:33:02,659 --> 00:33:05,460 Certificates can be issued if required for proof of purchase. 442 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,740 This can be a crucial factor, particularly considering the stringent 443 00:33:09,740 --> 00:33:11,060 for renewable energy. 444 00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:16,260 Currently, it is difficult to ascertain whether the energy derives from wind, 445 00:33:16,380 --> 00:33:17,780 solar or another source. 446 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,940 A third party is required to certify the origin, and these certificates may be 447 00:33:22,940 --> 00:33:25,480 traded. Greenwashing is facilitated. 448 00:33:29,220 --> 00:33:33,660 legislative and also regulatory aspects around that. Number one is the EU 449 00:33:33,660 --> 00:33:38,820 taxonomy, which nowadays tells us what is green, what is not green. So that 450 00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:43,680 gives guidance to investors and also to the issuers of financial products. 451 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:49,280 And number two, there is also a self -disclosure regulation called SFDR. 452 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:55,000 So every publisher, every issuer of financial products will need to self 453 00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,060 themselves, whether they are highly sustainable article 9 or not sustainable 454 00:34:00,060 --> 00:34:05,840 basically article 7 and that will give consumers tremendous guidance as to what 455 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,159 is green what is not green so it means the leeway to kind of move around and 456 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:16,639 kind of greenwash has becoming a whole lot smaller tokenized certificates can 457 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:20,600 produced by the supplier providing an indisputable origin of the energy 458 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,340 generated these certificates are securely stored in the blockchain 459 00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:26,860 the data cannot be altered. 460 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,600 Governance token is a specific type of token issued by certain companies, often 461 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,460 tech companies or so -called decentralized autonomous organizations. 462 00:34:40,380 --> 00:34:42,679 The governance token basically have certain rights. 463 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:47,960 From a technical point of view, they're often so -called ERC -20 tokens, which 464 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,340 means that they follow the standard, which is also used by many other type 465 00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:56,830 tokens. But the right that the owner of this governance token has may be 466 00:34:56,830 --> 00:34:58,690 different from security tokens, for example. 467 00:34:59,290 --> 00:35:03,390 The governance token often scrutinizes voting rights, i .e., you own the 468 00:35:03,390 --> 00:35:05,770 governance tokens and they are issued by companies. 469 00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:10,190 And if the company wants to change something, if it wants to implement 470 00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:15,150 changes, for example, then I have the right to vote if I hold pieces of these 471 00:35:15,150 --> 00:35:16,150 governance tokens. 472 00:35:16,570 --> 00:35:21,390 This means that not only do I have a monetary incentive to hold this token 473 00:35:21,390 --> 00:35:26,310 maybe hope for a future profit, but I also have a right of co -determination 474 00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:30,650 I can't get involved in communities and my voice is heard based on the number of 475 00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:31,650 tokens I hold. 476 00:35:34,090 --> 00:35:40,750 Now, the big challenge here lies, how do consumers, be it a business consumer or 477 00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:43,810 even a regular retail consumer, 478 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,460 buy into certificated or into certified renewable energy sources. 479 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,200 And that's where blockchain can provide a huge benefit. And the vision is that 480 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,240 eventually you'll be able to match certificates at the time of production 481 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,420 consumption at the time when you really need it. 482 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,420 Tokenization makes wind farms or other renewable energy sources much more 483 00:36:07,420 --> 00:36:08,540 accessible to investors. 484 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,600 Investing in a solar park via token will be an established procedure in the near 485 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,870 future. The same applies to the purchase of electricity from various energy 486 00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:18,870 sources. 487 00:36:21,010 --> 00:36:25,810 In the field of solar energy, the first energy suppliers have already tokenized 488 00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:26,689 their systems. 489 00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:31,190 In the case of wind turbines, too, there are platforms that bring operators of 490 00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:33,950 the turbines together with companies and private individuals. 491 00:36:37,110 --> 00:36:41,090 Through tokenization, the owners of the tokens become co -owners of a wind 492 00:36:41,090 --> 00:36:45,220 turbine. By selling the electricity, they generate a proportionate return. 493 00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:48,260 But the operators of the plants also benefit. 494 00:36:48,660 --> 00:36:53,220 For them, tokenization is another way to directly collect the capital of the 495 00:36:53,220 --> 00:36:57,460 investment. This gives you a reach and access to high liquidity. 496 00:36:59,380 --> 00:37:04,460 So far, however, energy has mainly been managed centrally. There's still a long 497 00:37:04,460 --> 00:37:07,000 way to go before new technology becomes established. 498 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,600 The next step is now connecting neighborhoods. 499 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,320 the same way as larger projects of renewable energy. 500 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,060 are now participating, entire communities, in exchange for the 501 00:37:21,060 --> 00:37:26,440 erecting a solar farm or a wind farm, into participating into that, right? 502 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,540 the consumption of the energy which is being produced. 503 00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:35,720 And that will also create communities which will be able to dispatch and to 504 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:42,280 trade energy amongst themselves and amongst multiple communities. So yes, it 505 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,920 on the way. Difficult to say really, right? I think, you know, Germany is... 506 00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:52,380 It's probably the largest in Europe rooftop solar market in that respect, 507 00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:54,020 the most installations. 508 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,940 But you see this trend everywhere. 509 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:03,140 You see France has very, very strong regulation and the UK and Italy as well. 510 00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:06,960 I think you must see it as a pan -European move. 511 00:38:09,340 --> 00:38:13,980 The calls for sustainability, human rights or animal welfare have been 512 00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:14,980 louder for years. 513 00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:25,800 Society is increasingly demanding products whose origins can be 514 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,800 verified. 515 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,140 Supply chain tokenization represents a credible future of product transparency. 516 00:38:31,740 --> 00:38:36,100 The technology will be exciting in view of the newly passed Supply Chain Due 517 00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:37,100 Diligence Act. 518 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,480 It is intended to prove that human rights and environmental due diligence 519 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,420 obligations have not been violated. 520 00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:03,180 Companies will be required to document every step of the supply chain for 521 00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:04,220 authorities and consumers. 522 00:39:05,140 --> 00:39:09,240 Sustainability should thus become comprehensible, verifiable, and visible. 523 00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:14,780 Tokenization makes it possible to track a product along the entire value chain. 524 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,580 Using a commercially available smartphone, all relevant information 525 00:39:19,580 --> 00:39:21,940 product is collected and stored in a token. 526 00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:25,040 Any kind of information can be stored via app. 527 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,640 Every production step and every raw material within the supply chain can be 528 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,500 reliably retrieved at any time. 529 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,300 In this way, global supply chains can be traced seamlessly. 530 00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:44,200 While a supply chain based on blockchain technology can ensure complete 531 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,580 documentation for this reporting, artificial intelligence can help to 532 00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:49,900 corresponding risk analysis. 533 00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:55,080 For example, AI can analyze contracts with suppliers for human rights and 534 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,080 environmental standards. 535 00:39:56,260 --> 00:40:00,460 If necessary, this enables the company to quickly adopt a contractual 536 00:40:00,460 --> 00:40:01,620 arrangement with the supplier. 537 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,560 In agriculture, tokenization allows farmers to tokenize their products. 538 00:40:06,780 --> 00:40:10,180 This allows international investors to invest in regional agricultural 539 00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:14,320 commodities. In the healthcare sector, the tokenization of medical institutions 540 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,220 helps in the use of sensitive data of patients and healthcare organizations. 541 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:23,520 The logistics industry is also currently working on a concept of tokenization. 542 00:40:23,780 --> 00:40:28,520 Here, the bill of lading is to be transferred to the blockchain and thus 543 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:29,520 problem of administration. 544 00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:36,180 So that means that we can expect that if tokenization is becoming part of, let's 545 00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:40,920 say, the underlying process setup for financial transactions, that the total 546 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,560 market size will be bigger than today's financial asset market volume. 547 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,940 But of course, this will not happen overnight. It will happen in different 548 00:40:49,940 --> 00:40:55,160 steps, depending on regulation, on innovation, and on general acceptance. 549 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,160 need democratic discussions about things. We need governments. 550 00:40:59,020 --> 00:41:02,580 So it could take anything between 5 and 20 years and it will happen in depth. 551 00:41:02,820 --> 00:41:05,420 But the addressable market price will become bigger. 552 00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:11,840 Despite the many benefits and its increasing prevalence, blockchain -based 553 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,040 tokenization also has its limitations. 554 00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:22,120 A disadvantage that still exists with tokens in general today is the 555 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,500 of the underlying blockchain. 556 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,120 If you wanted to put the entire security businesses that exist worldwide on a 557 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,420 blockchain today in order to tokenize all securities, then the blockchains 558 00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:35,820 not be able to map the transaction volume that is processed there. 559 00:41:37,820 --> 00:41:42,020 This means that the system would simply be overloaded and overwhelmed. 560 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,720 And this is probably one of the main disadvantage of tokens. 561 00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:50,410 So they're not included in the technical standard at all, but rather on the 562 00:41:50,410 --> 00:41:54,330 underlying platforms, namely the blockchains on which these tokens exist. 563 00:41:57,350 --> 00:42:00,790 There's a risk of hackers accessing and stealing the digital assets. 564 00:42:01,230 --> 00:42:04,290 Blockchain technology itself is considered to be very secure. 565 00:42:04,850 --> 00:42:09,250 Despite this, there have been cases of successful hacker attacks on crypto 566 00:42:09,250 --> 00:42:11,670 exchanges and other blockchain -based systems. 567 00:42:12,270 --> 00:42:16,810 As a rule, the attackers did not gain access via the blockchain itself, but 568 00:42:16,810 --> 00:42:18,790 the points where the blockchain is connected. 569 00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:23,710 There is therefore a need to develop a comprehensive and reliable cybercrime 570 00:42:23,710 --> 00:42:24,710 protection system. 571 00:42:28,010 --> 00:42:30,630 I think Mika is a great first step. 572 00:42:30,990 --> 00:42:36,150 So, you know, if you can think of like a global regulatory waterfall that 573 00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:37,150 trickles down. 574 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,300 I would say that Europe is kind of sitting at the top, at the crest of this 575 00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:46,860 waterfall. And I think that a lot of what we achieved with Mika in Europe as 576 00:42:46,860 --> 00:42:51,760 continent is now making its way into the regulatory thinking and action of other 577 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:52,760 jurisdictions. 578 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,600 Banks have traditionally acted as asset managers. 579 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,040 They aim to broaden their range of service and provide customers with the 580 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,560 extensive possible choice. 581 00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:07,410 As a result, they have begun to investigate the tokenization of assets. 582 00:43:07,630 --> 00:43:08,630 Is this the end of mutual funds? 583 00:43:09,590 --> 00:43:15,670 I think, well, a lot of people, it's just a wrapper. It's not the end of it, 584 00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:21,890 I would say the dominant form of bringing products going forward will be 585 00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:23,650 form of ETFs. 586 00:43:24,270 --> 00:43:28,810 For Fink, tokenization is not a disruption that destroys the old world. 587 00:43:28,810 --> 00:43:30,110 next natural layer of it. 588 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,980 a system where traditional and digital finance merge into one continuous 589 00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:38,840 structure. It's possible that in the future, banks may oversee the issuance 590 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,180 trading of tokenized assets. 591 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,060 FinTech has become one of the fastest growing industries in recent times. 592 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,200 So one area where there is currently a lot of innovation in tokens is the so 593 00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,380 -called payment processing. 594 00:43:59,660 --> 00:44:04,740 You can also take the security tokens as an example. A bond, for example, pays a 595 00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:09,460 regular coupon, perhaps a certain interest rate once a year, to those who 596 00:44:09,460 --> 00:44:10,279 that bond. 597 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,380 You can equip the token with so much information that it knows the amount of 598 00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:18,420 interest coupon and automatically collects the interest amount from the 599 00:44:18,420 --> 00:44:21,180 and then automatically distributes it to investors. 600 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,360 In the traditional world, in the banking world, there is the so -called paying 601 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,180 agent. So when a company issues a bond, there is a bank that is designated as 602 00:44:31,180 --> 00:44:35,580 the paying agent and then ensures that the issuer pays its interest on time and 603 00:44:35,580 --> 00:44:36,840 distributes it to the investors. 604 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,680 And this can be automated by program code. 605 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,500 also by so -called smart contracts, and this information can be given to the 606 00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:45,500 token. 607 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,980 Talking about the ecological impact of blockchains, I think, is a big deal. 608 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,720 But we as an industry have to ask ourselves what's right and wrong, right? 609 00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:00,080 of people from looking at it from the outside then think that all that energy 610 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,100 the same energy mix as the energy that goes into our daily consumption. 611 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,320 And as much as that was the case, it's changed dramatically. 612 00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:15,020 regenerative energies that have been started to be used, the hydro energy, 613 00:45:15,020 --> 00:45:20,320 energy, but also solar energy, that basically go into these node 614 00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:25,660 And this is energy that never has been used in a consumer's perspective. 615 00:45:25,980 --> 00:45:30,260 So it's not competing against the energy that you and I use in our daily lives. 616 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,920 More than 60 % right now is already regenerative energy that the Bitcoin 617 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,060 actually uses, and the rest is still something to work on. 618 00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:44,910 In particular, financing by tokens has the chance to drastically change the 619 00:45:44,910 --> 00:45:46,130 global economy in the future. 620 00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:50,610 Companies will be able to map real assets online and finance them in a 621 00:45:50,610 --> 00:45:51,610 decentralized manner. 622 00:45:52,090 --> 00:45:55,870 Existing financial services are being replaced by decentralized solutions. 623 00:45:56,810 --> 00:46:02,930 And I think that in the future, what we're likely going to see is on the side 624 00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:04,110 payments and crypto. 625 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,940 you know, we'll have different digital currency areas. 626 00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:13,020 So you could have stable coins and commercial bank money tokens and 627 00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:16,040 kinds of CBDCs. And these will all exist in cash. 628 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,260 So all exist in some, you know, as Germans say, in some mix together. 629 00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:24,840 And I don't think that one will necessarily crowd out the other. 630 00:46:25,180 --> 00:46:29,560 On the other hand, I also believe that a lot of... 631 00:46:30,020 --> 00:46:31,900 why we see an interest in crypto. 632 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:37,160 And I think globally, it's about like 23 % of people globally hold crypto. In 633 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,920 Europe, I think the average is around 17. So we're still on the lower side 634 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,360 compared to the global average, but it's growing. 635 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,700 And I think it's confidence, right? So if people don't have confidence in a 636 00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:46,180 system, they look for alternatives. 637 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,860 And I think that the challenge from a political perspective for the 638 00:46:50,860 --> 00:46:55,500 of the nation states is how do we instill confidence in our systems in an 639 00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:57,660 digital transformation? And there's no easy answer to that question. 640 00:46:58,010 --> 00:47:02,190 And I think that at the same time, it might be a little naive to assume that 641 00:47:02,190 --> 00:47:07,250 crypto can solve all of the world's problems. So I would say that we need 642 00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:10,750 sort of tempered optimism or tailored optimism. 643 00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:16,810 There is currently still a lack of standardization of the networks. 644 00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:20,970 In addition, legal standards must be developed to provide companies and 645 00:47:20,970 --> 00:47:23,450 investors alike with clarity and thus security. 646 00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:26,470 We can already see the effects on our society today. 647 00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:30,290 The technology has already arrived in the here and now. 648 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,920 At the edge of the world, in a country with more sheep than people, one of the 649 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,760 most powerful men in Silicon Valley built an escape hatch. 650 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:16,980 Not a vacation home, not a tax shelter, a contingency plan. 651 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:25,640 In 2011, a billionaire quietly secured citizenship in New Zealand after 652 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,120 just days in the country. 653 00:49:27,620 --> 00:49:29,160 A legal backdoor. 654 00:49:29,580 --> 00:49:31,420 a geopolitical lifeboat. 655 00:49:32,020 --> 00:49:37,660 Deep in the rugged terrain of New Zealand's South Island, Peter Thiel owns 656 00:49:37,660 --> 00:49:43,360 vast private estate, remote, secluded, and far from the centres of power. 657 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,980 While most billionaires buy yachts or private islands, Thiel secures something 658 00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:56,900 more strategic, New Zealand citizenship, and a vast estate in one of the most 659 00:49:56,900 --> 00:49:58,740 remote democracies on Earth. 660 00:49:59,820 --> 00:50:03,380 The purchase price for this geopolitical insurance policy? 661 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:11,000 In 2011, SEAL obtained New Zealand citizenship after spending just 12 days 662 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:16,340 the country over the previous two years, a process that normally requires years 663 00:50:16,340 --> 00:50:17,340 of residency. 664 00:50:19,340 --> 00:50:22,880 The investment that secured this exceptional pathway? 665 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:28,260 Approximately $7 million in local assets and business investments. 666 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:36,900 The centrepiece, a 477 -acre estate near Lake Wanaka, purchased 667 00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:42,560 for 13 .5 million New Zealand dollars, about 10 million US dollars. 668 00:50:43,460 --> 00:50:50,180 When New Zealand media exposed the deal in 2017, it sparked a national scandal. 669 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:51,779 Hi, Benedict. 670 00:50:51,780 --> 00:50:54,940 Nice to talk to you again. So when we last spoke, you told us that Peter Thiel 671 00:50:54,940 --> 00:51:00,480 was granted citizenship after having only visited New Zealand four times for 672 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,620 unknown number of days because the documents had that information redacted, 673 00:51:05,620 --> 00:51:08,840 right? Politicians called it citizenship for fail. 674 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,840 Opposition leaders demanded investigations. 675 00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:15,840 But Thiel had already achieved his objective. 676 00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:22,470 a legal escape hatch in the world's most politically stable democracy, a 677 00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:26,230 geopolitical insurance policy that money can buy. 678 00:51:28,330 --> 00:51:33,650 Why would a man who helped build the digital future prepare for the collapse 679 00:51:33,650 --> 00:51:34,650 the physical one? 680 00:51:35,110 --> 00:51:38,330 What does he see that others don't? 681 00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:49,660 The slogan of the Antichrist is peace and safety, which is nothing wrong with 682 00:51:49,660 --> 00:51:53,540 peace and safety, but you have to sort of imagine that it resonates very 683 00:51:53,540 --> 00:51:57,720 differently in a world where the stakes are so absolute, where the stakes are so 684 00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:04,660 extreme, where the alternative to peace and safety is Armageddon 685 00:52:04,660 --> 00:52:06,200 and the destruction of all things. 686 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,860 He is one of the most polarizing figures in Silicon Valley. 687 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:17,300 To some, a visionary genius who saw the future early. To others, the shadow 688 00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:22,640 financier of movements and candidates who challenge liberal democratic norms. 689 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,660 This is not fear. This is strategy. 690 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:32,560 For decades, Peter Thiel has made the same bets over and over again. 691 00:52:32,980 --> 00:52:35,240 Bets against consensus. 692 00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:37,360 Bets against the crowd. 693 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,480 Bets against the system itself. 694 00:52:41,580 --> 00:52:46,080 To understand why he built a fortress at the end of the earth, we have to go 695 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:51,800 back to a childhood of constant displacement, to a chessboard where 696 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:57,260 meant nothing, to a company that tried to replace money, and another that 697 00:52:57,260 --> 00:52:58,580 learned to see everything. 698 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,260 But the estate is more than a luxury retreat. 699 00:53:04,540 --> 00:53:08,300 It is a fortress designed for civilizational uncertainty. 700 00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:15,780 Off -grid power systems, advanced security infrastructure, multiple 701 00:53:15,780 --> 00:53:17,420 routes through the mountains. 702 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,120 Not built for comfort, built for continuity. 703 00:53:21,980 --> 00:53:27,120 While the world debates progress, Peter Thiel is preparing for a different 704 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,120 possibility. 705 00:53:28,340 --> 00:53:32,400 Not how to build the future, how to survive it. 706 00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:38,220 The Architect of Dissidence 707 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:46,000 Total estimated value of field contingency infrastructure, $20 to $30 708 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:53,040 Not for lifestyle, not for prestige, but for the day the system he helped build 709 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,180 no longer holds. 710 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,840 He didn't build this because he panics easily. 711 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:03,380 He built it because he has always believed that the crowd is wrong, and 712 00:54:03,380 --> 00:54:06,960 future belongs to those willing to stand apart from it. 713 00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:12,880 Every fortress begins with an idea, and Peter Thiel has been building 714 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,780 intellectual fortresses since he was a child. 715 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:27,700 Before he was a billionaire, before he funded political outsiders, before he 716 00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:33,040 built machines that could see everything, he was a boy who never 717 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,640 place long enough to believe the world made sense. 718 00:54:36,750 --> 00:54:39,930 So he searched for a world where the rules didn't change. 719 00:54:40,610 --> 00:54:42,910 He found it on a chessboard. 720 00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:48,970 To understand Peter Thiel, you must understand what it means to be a 721 00:54:48,970 --> 00:54:49,970 outsider. 722 00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:56,290 Born in Frankfurt, West Germany, Peter Thiel spent part of his early childhood 723 00:54:56,290 --> 00:55:01,990 in South West Africa, now Namibia, before growing up mainly in the United 724 00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:04,030 between Ohio and California. 725 00:55:05,550 --> 00:55:09,810 Before he was a teenager, he had already experienced life on multiple 726 00:55:09,810 --> 00:55:14,170 continents, never staying long enough to feel fully at home. 727 00:55:15,150 --> 00:55:17,010 He didn't have a hometown. 728 00:55:17,350 --> 00:55:24,030 He didn't have a tribe. He only had his own mind, and in that isolation he 729 00:55:24,030 --> 00:55:26,790 found a language that didn't require a passport. 730 00:55:27,730 --> 00:55:28,730 Chess. 731 00:55:31,340 --> 00:55:35,740 For a child who changed continents before he could even make friends, the 732 00:55:35,740 --> 00:55:38,080 outside world was unpredictable noise. 733 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:43,980 But the board, the board was the only place where the rules didn't change 734 00:55:43,980 --> 00:55:45,240 depending on the country. 735 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:54,440 His father, an engineer trained in a culture of precision and systems 736 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,920 passed on a belief that reality could be understood and optimized. 737 00:56:00,650 --> 00:56:04,830 While other children sought to fit in, Peter sought the edge. 738 00:56:05,290 --> 00:56:09,550 He learned that the consensus of the crowd is usually a distraction. 739 00:56:10,590 --> 00:56:16,010 If everyone is running toward the ball, you run toward where the ball is going 740 00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:17,010 to be. 741 00:56:17,530 --> 00:56:20,310 Chess is the ultimate antidote to consensus. 742 00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:24,450 In a crowd, you can hide behind a popular opinion. 743 00:56:24,790 --> 00:56:28,450 In chess, you are either right or you are dead. 744 00:56:29,150 --> 00:56:32,990 There is no middle ground. There is no social construction of the board. 745 00:56:33,970 --> 00:56:39,050 He became a serious tournament chess player, drawn to a world where rules 746 00:56:39,050 --> 00:56:43,210 fixed, outcomes were earned, and consensus meant nothing. 747 00:56:45,210 --> 00:56:48,210 Mid -1980s, Stanford University. 748 00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:53,510 To the world, this was the peak of American meritocracy. 749 00:56:54,130 --> 00:56:57,850 To Thiel, it was a factory of conformity. 750 00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:02,660 While his classmates were debating how to change the world through activism, 751 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,520 Thiel was wondering why they all sounded exactly the same. 752 00:57:07,220 --> 00:57:12,420 He saw the multiculturalism movement not as progress, but as a new form of 753 00:57:12,420 --> 00:57:13,420 fundamentalism. 754 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:20,140 Stanford in the late 1980s was ground zero for America's culture wars, battles 755 00:57:20,140 --> 00:57:24,560 over multiculturalism, speech, and the purpose of higher education. 756 00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:27,540 Thiel believed the university 757 00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:33,310 was drifting toward ideological conformity, that certain views were 758 00:57:33,310 --> 00:57:36,130 socially, if not formally, off -limits. 759 00:57:36,810 --> 00:57:39,910 Here, his investment methodology was born. 760 00:57:40,590 --> 00:57:44,770 Identify what the crowd considers sacred and question it. 761 00:57:46,350 --> 00:57:53,250 If everyone says identity diversity is the most important thing, you argue that 762 00:57:53,250 --> 00:57:56,930 intellectual diversity is the only thing that matters. 763 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:03,340 He wasn't looking for friends. He was looking to recruit others who, like him, 764 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,420 did not fear being hated. 765 00:58:06,060 --> 00:58:08,540 He founded the Stanford Review. 766 00:58:09,180 --> 00:58:14,720 The paper quickly became one of the most controversial publications on campus, 767 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:21,100 attacking what Fields saw as intellectual monoculture and political 768 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,720 He saw that the smartest people in the country were all competing for the same 769 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,360 narrow prizes, thinking the same narrow thoughts. 770 00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:34,160 He did what every top student does. 771 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,940 He followed the track. 772 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:42,780 After Sanford Law, he secured a prestigious federal appellate clerkship, 773 00:58:42,780 --> 00:58:46,140 kind of credential that opens every elite door in America. 774 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,120 After his clerkship, he joined Sullivan and Cromwell in New York. 775 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,200 one of the most elite law firms in the world. 776 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,060 On paper, he had reached the summit. 777 00:58:57,380 --> 00:59:00,740 Wall Street was his great negative epiphany. 778 00:59:02,260 --> 00:59:07,100 But from his perspective, the brightest graduates in America were locked in 779 00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:10,620 brutal competition for careers they didn't even seem to want. 780 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:17,560 It looked like Rene Girard's theory made flesh, a system where everyone desired 781 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,680 the same prize simply because everyone else did. 782 00:59:21,420 --> 00:59:25,800 Wall Street looked to Theo like a laboratory of mimetic rivalry. 783 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:31,700 He realized that if he won that race, his prize would be becoming the man in 784 00:59:31,700 --> 00:59:34,740 office next door, a copy of a copy. 785 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:40,440 The day he lost the opportunity to clerk for the U .S. Supreme Court wasn't a 786 00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,680 defeat. It was his liberation. 787 00:59:43,620 --> 00:59:45,600 He lasted less than a year. 788 00:59:46,220 --> 00:59:52,380 But Thiel's first venture after leaving law was a humbling lesson in failure, a 789 00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:55,080 lesson that would shape everything that came after. 790 00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:03,820 In 1996, he launched Thiel Capital Management, a 791 01:00:03,820 --> 01:00:08,420 hedge fund focused on currency trading and macroeconomic derivatives. 792 01:00:09,140 --> 01:00:14,020 The strategy was to make big directional bets on interest rates. 793 01:00:14,410 --> 01:00:18,010 inflation expectations, and foreign exchange movements. 794 01:00:18,790 --> 01:00:25,130 Initial capital raised $1 million, mostly from Stanford Connections, who 795 01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:28,770 believed in the chess prodigy turned lawyer turned financier. 796 01:00:31,110 --> 01:00:33,830 The result was spectacular failure. 797 01:00:34,350 --> 01:00:38,230 Within the first year, the fund had lost significant capital. 798 01:00:38,610 --> 01:00:44,230 Industry estimates... suggests losses between 30 and 40 % of the initial 799 01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:45,230 investment pool. 800 01:00:45,970 --> 01:00:47,010 Investors fled. 801 01:00:47,370 --> 01:00:50,570 Some demanded their remaining money back immediately. 802 01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:57,010 Thiel's reputation among finance professionals, the people he had walked 803 01:00:57,010 --> 01:01:00,210 from at Sullivan and Cromwell, took a serious hit. 804 01:01:01,270 --> 01:01:03,770 He was no longer the Stanford genius. 805 01:01:04,250 --> 01:01:06,950 He was just another failed trader. 806 01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:12,460 But... This failure taught him the most important lesson of his career. 807 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,260 Competition is for losers. 808 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:21,420 Do not compete in crowded markets where everyone is making the same trades with 809 01:01:21,420 --> 01:01:23,740 the same information and the same tools. 810 01:01:24,540 --> 01:01:30,200 Wall Street was full of extremely smart people doing the same macro trades, 811 01:01:30,420 --> 01:01:35,240 reading the same economic reports, betting on the same currency movements. 812 01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,880 It was a zero -sum game played by thousands of nearly identical players. 813 01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:48,820 He needed to find a space where the rules were still being written, where 814 01:01:48,820 --> 01:01:54,540 first mattered more than being best, where a monopoly position was still 815 01:01:54,540 --> 01:01:57,320 available. He needed technology. 816 01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:03,640 And from the ashes of Thiel Capital Management, a new philosophy was born. 817 01:02:04,460 --> 01:02:08,340 If you want to create lasting value, you have to build a monopoly. 818 01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:14,360 This became his investing mantra, and it would make him billions. 819 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:23,460 Thiel walked away from the firm and went back to California, not to start a tech 820 01:02:23,460 --> 01:02:27,100 empire, but to try trading, then to launch a hedge fund. 821 01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:28,360 It failed. 822 01:02:28,780 --> 01:02:33,020 The system he had rejected did not welcome him back as a prodigy. 823 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,080 It treated him like a nobody. 824 01:02:35,820 --> 01:02:40,620 That failure would become the last lesson before his real beginning. 825 01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:42,820 But he learned something. 826 01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:47,940 If you play the system game as everyone else, you've already lost. 827 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:54,140 The chess master was done with the board. He was ready to build his own. 828 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:02,860 So this is an ATM. 829 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,060 All we're going to do is transform the traditional banking industry. 830 01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,300 I do not fit the picture of a banker. 831 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,140 Raising $50 million is a matter of making a series of phone calls. 832 01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:17,960 And the money is there. 833 01:03:19,380 --> 01:03:24,040 I've sunk the great majority of my net worth into X .com, which is the new 834 01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,120 banking and mutual funds company on the internet that I've started. 835 01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,380 December 1998. 836 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:36,760 Peter Thiel co -founds a company called Confinity with Max Levchin, a brilliant 837 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:42,260 Ukrainian -born programmer, and Luke Nosek, a fellow Stanford Review alumnus. 838 01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:49,040 Initial funding, $300 ,000 scraped together from friends, family, and 839 01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,780 libertarian true believers from the Stanford day. 840 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:58,120 The original product idea, digital wallet on Palm Pilot handheld devices. 841 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:04,140 The vision was that people would beam money to each other using infrared ports 842 01:04:04,140 --> 01:04:05,420 on the Palm Pilot. 843 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:12,780 In coffee shops, at restaurants, person to person, by parking banks entirely. 844 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:20,320 Total users after six months of operation, 12 people. 845 01:04:20,660 --> 01:04:22,200 Literally 12. 846 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,560 Most of them were employees and their friends testing the systems. 847 01:04:28,140 --> 01:04:30,500 It was a complete and utter flop. 848 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,980 The technology worked, but nobody cared. 849 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:35,580 Nobody wanted it. 850 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:37,600 March 2000. 851 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,860 Confinity pivots hard and launches a new feature. 852 01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:44,480 Email -based money transfers. 853 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,120 You send money to any email address. 854 01:04:48,460 --> 01:04:53,320 The recipient gets a notification, creates an account, and the money is 855 01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,760 Simple, instant, revolutionary. 856 01:04:56,730 --> 01:04:58,030 The name of this new service? 857 01:04:58,450 --> 01:04:59,450 PayPal. 858 01:05:00,030 --> 01:05:05,690 Within weeks, user growth exploded at a rate nobody had ever seen in financial 859 01:05:05,690 --> 01:05:06,690 services. 860 01:05:07,070 --> 01:05:09,970 Month 1, 10 ,000 users. 861 01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:13,510 Month 3, 100 ,000 users. 862 01:05:13,950 --> 01:05:16,850 Month 6, 1 million users. 863 01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:20,270 Month 12, 5 million users. 864 01:05:22,410 --> 01:05:27,030 This was the fastest user adoption rate in the entire history of financial 865 01:05:27,030 --> 01:05:32,970 services. Faster than credit cards, faster than checking accounts, faster 866 01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:33,970 anything. 867 01:05:34,270 --> 01:05:38,610 But here is what most people do not know about PayPal's growth. 868 01:05:39,210 --> 01:05:42,710 Here is the secret that the mythology leaves out. 869 01:05:43,590 --> 01:05:47,750 PayPal's explosive user acquisition was not organic. 870 01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:50,250 It was not word of mouth. 871 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,660 It was not viral in the natural sense. 872 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,680 They literally bought their users with cash. 873 01:05:59,220 --> 01:06:03,780 The strategy was elegantly simple and brutally expensive. 874 01:06:04,620 --> 01:06:09,360 Sign up for a PayPal account, get $10 deposited instantly. 875 01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,360 Refer a friend who signs up, gets another $10. 876 01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:16,140 Your friend also gets $10. 877 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:23,640 Cost per acquisition, $20 to $40 per user, depending on how many referrals 878 01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:24,640 user generated. 879 01:06:25,740 --> 01:06:30,500 Monthly cash burn rate at peak growth, $10 to $12 million. 880 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,500 Just vanishing into user acquisition. 881 01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:41,880 By late 2000, PayPal was spending $60 to $70 million annually just to buy 882 01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,660 users with cash incentives. 883 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,220 They were hemorrhaging money at a terrifying rate. 884 01:06:48,820 --> 01:06:52,720 Investors were panicking. Board members were demanding answers. 885 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:59,760 How long can you sustain spending $10 million a month buying users? 886 01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,020 But Thiel had done the mathematics. 887 01:07:03,580 --> 01:07:06,100 He had run the numbers obsessively. 888 01:07:06,620 --> 01:07:13,600 Each acquired user was worth $100 to $200 in lifetime transaction fee 889 01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:15,200 through the PayPal network. 890 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:20,000 They were buying $100 bills for $20 bills. 891 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:26,480 It was either genius or insanity, depending on whether the math actually 892 01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:31,200 Thiel believed it would work. He bet everything on it. 893 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,360 But there was a problem, a major problem. 894 01:07:34,820 --> 01:07:38,100 Another company was doing the exact same thing. 895 01:07:38,700 --> 01:07:45,530 X .com, a finance company founded by Elon Musk, with money from his Zip2 exit 896 01:07:45,530 --> 01:07:50,390 and a vision for online banking that was nearly identical to PayPal's. 897 01:07:51,970 --> 01:07:58,850 Two companies, same idea, same market, both burning massive amounts of cash at 898 01:07:58,850 --> 01:08:01,070 completely unsustainable rates. 899 01:08:01,710 --> 01:08:06,670 Total funding raised between both companies, over $100 million. 900 01:08:08,130 --> 01:08:11,830 Combined monthly cash burn rate, over $20 million. 901 01:08:12,940 --> 01:08:18,140 Time until both companies simultaneously ran out of money, less than six months. 902 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,160 The merger was inevitable. 903 01:08:23,180 --> 01:08:27,300 X .com and Confinity merged into a single entity. 904 01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:33,000 The combined company kept the PayPal name because users had already adopted 905 01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:34,740 The brand had momentum. 906 01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:41,279 Elon Musk became chief executive officer of the merged company for five months. 907 01:08:45,069 --> 01:08:46,250 October 2000. 908 01:08:46,830 --> 01:08:52,310 While Elon Musk was on his honeymoon, the board of directors, led by Peter 909 01:08:52,310 --> 01:08:58,149 and other Confinity founders, held an emergency meeting and voted Musk out as 910 01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:59,149 CEO. 911 01:08:59,670 --> 01:09:04,970 The official reason cited strategic disagreements over technology platform. 912 01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:08,330 Musk wanted to use Microsoft software. 913 01:09:08,649 --> 01:09:12,930 The Confinity engineers believed in Unix -based systems. 914 01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:14,819 The actual reason? 915 01:09:15,380 --> 01:09:16,520 Thiel wanted control. 916 01:09:16,740 --> 01:09:17,920 Full control. 917 01:09:18,260 --> 01:09:20,420 This was his company now. 918 01:09:22,540 --> 01:09:26,140 Peter Thiel became chief executive officer of PayPal. 919 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:31,840 Elon Musk remained a major shareholder, but his operational control was 920 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:32,840 finished. 921 01:09:34,260 --> 01:09:39,960 The two men, both future billionaires, both future power brokers, had their 922 01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:40,960 first battle. 923 01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:42,200 Thiel won. 924 01:09:43,149 --> 01:09:48,189 At its core, PayPal ran on a simple idea that turned into a powerful engine. 925 01:09:49,390 --> 01:09:56,230 Every time money moved, PayPal took a small cut, 2 .9 % plus 30 cents per 926 01:09:56,230 --> 01:10:01,890 transaction. If that money crossed borders, the fee climbed to between 2 .5 927 01:10:01,890 --> 01:10:07,870 and 4%. Then there was the float, the cash sitting in PayPal's accounts 928 01:10:07,870 --> 01:10:11,050 payments, quietly earning interest for the company. 929 01:10:11,660 --> 01:10:14,960 Tiny slices, repeated millions of times. 930 01:10:15,660 --> 01:10:20,460 By 2001, the numbers told the story of a system coming to life. 931 01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:26,260 Every single day, $5 -8 million flowed through PayPal's network. 932 01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:31,680 Each month, that translated into $10 -15 million in revenue. 933 01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:36,140 But growth at this speed came at a cost. 934 01:10:36,460 --> 01:10:42,570 Running the system, fighting fraud, scaling infrastructure, acquiring users, 935 01:10:42,570 --> 01:10:46,130 burning $20 to $30 million every month. 936 01:10:46,910 --> 01:10:50,570 The machine worked, it just wasn't profitable yet. 937 01:10:51,630 --> 01:10:52,950 Late 2000. 938 01:10:53,970 --> 01:10:57,550 PayPal's data scientists discovered something crucial. 939 01:10:58,070 --> 01:11:03,230 70 % of all PayPal transactions were happening on eBay auctions. 940 01:11:03,890 --> 01:11:08,890 People buying and selling random items on the Internet's largest marketplace 941 01:11:09,370 --> 01:11:11,410 were using PayPal to move money. 942 01:11:12,110 --> 01:11:15,350 The strategic insight became immediately clear. 943 01:11:15,610 --> 01:11:21,290 Make PayPal the only payment method that eBay users trust completely. 944 01:11:22,090 --> 01:11:25,210 Own that market, become indispensable. 945 01:11:26,050 --> 01:11:32,330 The execution, buyer protection guarantees that eBay's own payment 946 01:11:32,330 --> 01:11:33,330 not offer. 947 01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:38,150 Instant payment transfers with no 7 -day check clearing period. 948 01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:45,000 Fraud detection algorithms that were better than credit card companies. 949 01:11:45,460 --> 01:11:48,400 Email notifications for every transaction. 950 01:11:48,900 --> 01:11:51,260 Simple, clean user interface. 951 01:11:53,220 --> 01:11:58,340 By mid -2001, the strategy was working beyond all projections. 952 01:11:58,820 --> 01:12:03,960 50 % of all e -mail auctions accepted PayPal as a payment method. 953 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:10,740 PayPal was processing $50 million daily in eBay -related transactions alone. 954 01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:13,100 And then eBay noticed. 955 01:12:13,460 --> 01:12:15,480 And eBay was not happy. 956 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:22,820 eBay launched their own competing service called Billpoint and attempted 957 01:12:22,820 --> 01:12:24,260 PayPal through the marketplace. 958 01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:27,720 They promoted Billpoint in search rankings. 959 01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:31,640 They penalized sellers who only accepted PayPal. 960 01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,040 They made it harder to display the PayPal logo. 961 01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:36,700 It was war. 962 01:12:37,700 --> 01:12:40,200 PayPal's response was total war. 963 01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,820 Temporarily lower transaction fees to undercut bill points. 964 01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,280 Guarantee faster money transfers than eBay could offer. 965 01:12:49,540 --> 01:12:55,960 Invest heavily in superior $30 million deployed in 2001 fraud protection. 966 01:12:56,820 --> 01:12:59,440 Massive marketing spending alone. 967 01:13:00,750 --> 01:13:03,350 By early 2002, the war was over. 968 01:13:03,670 --> 01:13:07,770 PayPal controlled 65 % of eBay's payment market. 969 01:13:08,530 --> 01:13:15,090 Billpoint at barely 10%. eBay executives looked at the numbers 970 01:13:15,090 --> 01:13:16,430 and reached the conclusion. 971 01:13:16,670 --> 01:13:19,530 If you cannot beat them, buy them. 972 01:13:20,190 --> 01:13:21,790 July 2002. 973 01:13:22,350 --> 01:13:27,770 eBay acquires PayPal for $1 .5 billion in eBay stock. 974 01:13:28,970 --> 01:13:34,750 Peter Thiel owned approximately 3 .7 % of PayPal at the time of the 975 01:13:35,230 --> 01:13:39,810 His equity stake was worth $55 million in eBay stock. 976 01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:45,670 After taxes, he walked away with approximately $40 million in liquid 977 01:13:46,150 --> 01:13:50,230 At age 34, he had won his first billion -dollar game. 978 01:13:51,950 --> 01:13:56,250 But the money was not the most valuable thing he extracted from PayPal. 979 01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,080 The real value was the network. 980 01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:03,180 The PayPal Mafia. The name they gave themselves. 981 01:14:03,580 --> 01:14:05,200 And it was not ironic. 982 01:14:05,660 --> 01:14:07,020 It was descriptive. 983 01:14:07,420 --> 01:14:12,760 The core team that Thiel assembled at PayPal would go on to create some of the 984 01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,200 most valuable companies in human history. 985 01:14:15,860 --> 01:14:20,600 Elon Musk. Tesla market cap $650 billion. 986 01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:26,050 SpaceX. Estimated value $150 billion. 987 01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:28,470 Reid Hoffman, LinkedIn. 988 01:14:28,830 --> 01:14:31,550 Sold to Microsoft for $26 billion. 989 01:14:32,510 --> 01:14:36,530 Steve Chen, Chad Hurley, Jawed Kareem. 990 01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:40,930 YouTube. Sold to Google for $1 .65 billion. 991 01:14:41,330 --> 01:14:44,170 Now worth over $100 billion. 992 01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:50,210 Jeremy Stoppelman and Russell Simmons, Yelp. 993 01:14:50,670 --> 01:14:53,090 peaked at $3 billion market cap. 994 01:14:53,470 --> 01:14:58,350 David Sachs, Yammer, sold to Microsoft for $1 .2 billion. 995 01:14:59,470 --> 01:15:01,970 Later founded Kraft Ventures. 996 01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:06,050 Max Levchin, a firm $12 billion company. 997 01:15:06,650 --> 01:15:08,730 Also co -founded Yelp. 998 01:15:09,250 --> 01:15:15,930 Keith Rabois, COO of Square, partner at Founders Fund, investor in 999 01:15:15,930 --> 01:15:17,710 dozens of unicorns. 1000 01:15:19,660 --> 01:15:25,520 Roloff Boffer, partner at Sequoia Capital, led investments in Instagram, 1001 01:15:25,820 --> 01:15:29,380 YouTube, Tumblr, MongoDB, Eventbrite. 1002 01:15:30,660 --> 01:15:35,620 Total value created by the PayPal mafia across all their companies, 1003 01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:41,900 conservatively estimated at over $200 billion in combined market 1004 01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:43,120 capitalization. 1005 01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:49,000 Fields ownership stakes across this extended network through direct 1006 01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,360 and fund positions estimated at $2 to $4 billion. 1007 01:15:54,300 --> 01:15:57,160 This was not just a company that got acquired. 1008 01:15:57,460 --> 01:16:03,020 This was the creation of the most powerful business cartel in Silicon 1009 01:16:03,020 --> 01:16:04,020 history. 1010 01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:09,640 But what made PayPal different was not the technology. 1011 01:16:09,900 --> 01:16:13,140 Not really. The technology was impressive. 1012 01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:20,240 but not miraculous what made paypal different was the culture the religion 1013 01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:25,960 extreme meritocracy seals hiring criteria were brutally specific 1014 01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:32,480 one raw intelligence high test scores ability to solve 1015 01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:39,320 complex puzzles proof you could think better than everyone else two intensity 1016 01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:45,120 are you willing to work 100 hour weeks Are you willing to sacrifice everything 1017 01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,820 else in your life for the mission? 1018 01:16:47,620 --> 01:16:48,620 3. 1019 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:50,040 Missionary zeal. 1020 01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,440 Do you actually believe we are changing the world? 1021 01:16:53,700 --> 01:16:55,640 Or are you here for a paycheck? 1022 01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,160 4. Loyalty to the tribe. 1023 01:16:59,700 --> 01:17:01,700 Will you protect the other members? 1024 01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,960 Will you put the group above yourself? 1025 01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,860 Average employee age at PayPal. 1026 01:17:08,180 --> 01:17:09,720 25 years old. 1027 01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:11,440 Average work week. 1028 01:17:11,870 --> 01:17:13,750 80 to 100 hours. 1029 01:17:14,190 --> 01:17:20,950 Office culture, libertarian, anti -regulation, contrarian, anti 1030 01:17:21,090 --> 01:17:26,730 They called themselves the Mafia specifically because loyalty mattered 1031 01:17:26,730 --> 01:17:27,730 credentials. 1032 01:17:30,230 --> 01:17:35,990 More than degrees, more than previous experience, Thiel's operating principle 1033 01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:38,470 stated explicitly and repeatedly. 1034 01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,860 Talented people do not want to work with people who are less talented than they 1035 01:17:43,860 --> 01:17:49,900 are. So every new hire must be more talented than the average current 1036 01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,500 Otherwise, we are diluting the talent pool. 1037 01:17:54,060 --> 01:17:59,820 This created a self -reinforcing escalation, an arms race of hiring. 1038 01:18:00,180 --> 01:18:05,660 Every new person raised the bar. The standards became higher and higher. 1039 01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:11,990 Only the absolute best could get in. And once you were in you were family. 1040 01:18:12,570 --> 01:18:15,790 But here is what most people forget about PayPal. 1041 01:18:16,170 --> 01:18:19,610 Here is the original vision that got erased from the mythology. 1042 01:18:20,410 --> 01:18:23,770 PayPal was supposed to destroy the Federal Reserve. 1043 01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:27,870 It was supposed to undermine state control of currency. 1044 01:18:28,490 --> 01:18:30,330 That was the actual mission. 1045 01:18:30,570 --> 01:18:35,310 That was why Peter Thiel, the libertarian ideologue, cared so much. 1046 01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:42,720 The original vision laid out in SEAL's founding documents creates a new digital 1047 01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,180 currency outside government control. 1048 01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:51,400 Enable true peer -to -peer transactions globally without state intermediaries. 1049 01:18:51,780 --> 01:18:55,680 Undermine the state monopoly on money creation and management. 1050 01:18:56,740 --> 01:19:00,760 Build the financial infrastructure for a stateless society. 1051 01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:03,360 What actually happened? 1052 01:19:03,580 --> 01:19:09,400 To become mainstream, to actually scale, PayPal had to compromise every single 1053 01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:10,420 founding principle. 1054 01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,000 They had to integrate with the traditional banking system. 1055 01:19:14,420 --> 01:19:20,440 The enemy. They had to comply with Know Your Customer and anti -money laundering 1056 01:19:20,440 --> 01:19:21,440 regulations. 1057 01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:22,940 Government control. 1058 01:19:23,660 --> 01:19:26,440 They had to partner with credit card companies. 1059 01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:29,140 The old system they wanted to destroy. 1060 01:19:29,420 --> 01:19:32,520 They had to get licensed in every single state. 1061 01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:34,260 Regulatory capture. 1062 01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:40,280 They had to report suspicious transactions to federal authorities, 1063 01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:45,760 By 2002, PayPal was regulated exactly like a bank. 1064 01:19:46,500 --> 01:19:51,940 Partnered with banks, dependent on banks for all core functionalities, the 1065 01:19:51,940 --> 01:19:57,000 libertarian revolution had become just another fintech company, playing by the 1066 01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:58,000 government's rules. 1067 01:19:59,150 --> 01:20:03,750 Thiel learned the most important lesson of his career from PayPal's failure to 1068 01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:05,570 achieve its revolutionary mission. 1069 01:20:06,090 --> 01:20:09,830 You cannot disrupt the system from inside the system. 1070 01:20:10,370 --> 01:20:15,070 If you want to change the rules, you cannot ask permission from the people 1071 01:20:15,070 --> 01:20:15,909 wrote them. 1072 01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:19,130 This lesson would shape everything he did next. 1073 01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:21,390 Palantir, Facebook. 1074 01:20:23,630 --> 01:20:25,530 His political investments. 1075 01:20:26,050 --> 01:20:27,050 Everything. 1076 01:20:28,170 --> 01:20:33,630 The PayPal acquisition was not an ending. It was a beginning, the start of 1077 01:20:33,630 --> 01:20:34,890 something much larger. 1078 01:20:35,190 --> 01:20:41,050 The pattern that emerged over the next 20 years, PayPal veterans leave and 1079 01:20:41,050 --> 01:20:42,810 new companies in different sectors. 1080 01:20:43,610 --> 01:20:48,310 Feel invest early as angel investor or through founder's fund. 1081 01:20:48,670 --> 01:20:52,290 PayPal mafia members join each other's boards of directors. 1082 01:20:52,770 --> 01:20:56,670 Cross -investment between all their venture funds creates alignment. 1083 01:20:57,430 --> 01:21:01,490 Preferential access to deal flow because of network relationships. 1084 01:21:02,030 --> 01:21:05,670 Shared intelligence about markets, technology and opportunities. 1085 01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:09,590 Real examples of how the network compounds. 1086 01:21:10,270 --> 01:21:14,990 Reid Hoffman introduces Thiel to Mark Zuckerberg in 2004. 1087 01:21:15,710 --> 01:21:19,150 Thiel invests $500 ,000 in Facebook. 1088 01:21:19,870 --> 01:21:22,250 Eventually makes over $1 billion. 1089 01:21:23,570 --> 01:21:26,530 Roloff Bosa joins Sequoia Capital. 1090 01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:32,180 and invests in multiple Thiel -backed companies, creating reciprocal deal 1091 01:21:32,860 --> 01:21:37,680 David Sachs hosts high -dollar fundraisers for Thiel's political 1092 01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,740 mixing business and politics seamlessly. 1093 01:21:42,820 --> 01:21:49,320 Max Levchin provides seed capital for Palantir and serves as advisor, lending 1094 01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:50,320 credibility. 1095 01:21:51,340 --> 01:21:57,760 This network effect multiplier is precisely how Thiel turned $55 million 1096 01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,920 PayPal into over $5 billion in net worth today. 1097 01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:07,840 The PayPal Mafia is not a cute nickname. It is not a metaphor. 1098 01:22:08,140 --> 01:22:12,860 It is the most successful organized business cartel in Silicon Valley 1099 01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:17,700 A self -reinforcing network of wealth, power, and influence. 1100 01:22:18,220 --> 01:22:21,800 that has shaped the entire technology industry for two decades. 1101 01:22:22,180 --> 01:22:25,760 And Peter Thiel sits at the center of it all. 1102 01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:27,320 The Godfather. 1103 01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:40,120 After PayPal, Peter Thiel was a man with a billion dollars and a dangerous 1104 01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:41,120 secret. 1105 01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:46,880 While other investors were looking at spreadsheets and profit margins, Thiel 1106 01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:51,320 looking at the human soul through the eyes of his mentor, René Girard. 1107 01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,600 Girard taught him a terrifying truth. 1108 01:22:55,180 --> 01:22:57,920 Human beings don't know what they want. 1109 01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,420 We are mimetic creatures. 1110 01:23:01,020 --> 01:23:05,980 We don't desire things for themselves. We desire them because other people 1111 01:23:05,980 --> 01:23:10,120 desire them. We are copy machines disguised as individuals. 1112 01:23:12,340 --> 01:23:13,700 August 2004. 1113 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,420 Facebook has been online for exactly six months. 1114 01:23:18,740 --> 01:23:24,160 It started as a Harvard dorm project and has now expanded to several college 1115 01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:25,160 campuses. 1116 01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:29,280 The metrics that Zuckerberg shows seal. 1117 01:23:29,540 --> 01:23:35,880 Total registered users, 200 ,000, almost entirely college students. 1118 01:23:36,780 --> 01:23:41,220 Daily active user rate, 70 to 80 % engagement. 1119 01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,420 Unprecedented in web services. 1120 01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:48,680 Revenue, zero dollars. No business model yet. 1121 01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:53,180 Valuation Zuckerberg is asking for, five million dollars. 1122 01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:58,900 Every single professional venture capitalist in Silicon Valley has passed 1123 01:23:58,900 --> 01:24:02,960 Facebook. Every major firm has looked into it and said no. 1124 01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:06,940 The reasons they gave? It is just a college directory. 1125 01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:08,760 Limited market. 1126 01:24:09,340 --> 01:24:12,300 Friendster has already five million users. 1127 01:24:12,750 --> 01:24:14,890 and is the leader in social networking. 1128 01:24:15,230 --> 01:24:19,150 MySpace is dominant with 8 million users and growing fast. 1129 01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:23,190 There is no obvious business model or revenue stream. 1130 01:24:23,790 --> 01:24:29,490 Mark Zuckerberg is too young, too inexperienced, too risky as a founder. 1131 01:24:31,210 --> 01:24:34,290 Peter Thiel saw something completely different. 1132 01:24:34,510 --> 01:24:37,290 Something that had nothing to do with technology. 1133 01:24:38,410 --> 01:24:44,510 Thiel had spent years studying Rene Girard's mimetic theory, the 1134 01:24:44,510 --> 01:24:47,970 framework that would shape his entire investment approach. 1135 01:24:48,370 --> 01:24:52,810 The core idea, humans do not have original desires. 1136 01:24:53,170 --> 01:24:55,930 We desire what other people desire. 1137 01:24:56,330 --> 01:25:00,190 We learn what to want by watching other people want. 1138 01:25:00,890 --> 01:25:02,690 Desire is imitative. 1139 01:25:03,250 --> 01:25:04,890 Desire is social. 1140 01:25:05,190 --> 01:25:07,250 Desire is mimetic. 1141 01:25:08,430 --> 01:25:12,670 When Thiel looked at Facebook, he did not see a technology platform for 1142 01:25:12,670 --> 01:25:13,670 connecting friends. 1143 01:25:13,970 --> 01:25:19,390 He saw something far more powerful. He saw the perfect mimetic desire machine. 1144 01:25:20,090 --> 01:25:22,350 The insight that made Thiel invest. 1145 01:25:22,910 --> 01:25:26,530 Social networks do not create value by connecting people. 1146 01:25:26,910 --> 01:25:30,590 That is not where the money is. The money is in comparison. 1147 01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:35,590 The money is in making people compare themselves to each other constantly. 1148 01:25:36,650 --> 01:25:40,970 You see your friend's vacation photos, you want a better vacation. 1149 01:25:41,310 --> 01:25:45,810 You see someone's job promotion announcement, you want higher status. 1150 01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:50,330 You see someone's relationship photos, you want romance. 1151 01:25:52,030 --> 01:25:56,030 You see someone getting likes and comments, you want validation. 1152 01:25:57,170 --> 01:26:02,110 You see someone's perfect life, you feel your own life is inadequate. 1153 01:26:03,730 --> 01:26:05,670 Facebook was not selling connections. 1154 01:26:06,570 --> 01:26:08,410 Facebook was selling envy. 1155 01:26:08,710 --> 01:26:14,670 And envy, feel understood from Gerard, is the most powerful economic force in 1156 01:26:14,670 --> 01:26:15,670 human history. 1157 01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:18,450 The desire for what others have. 1158 01:26:18,750 --> 01:26:22,770 They need to keep up. The fear of being left behind. 1159 01:26:23,190 --> 01:26:29,310 Infinite envy creates infinite demand. Infinite demand creates infinite value. 1160 01:26:30,970 --> 01:26:32,390 September 2004. 1161 01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:37,920 Peter Thiel wires $500 ,000 to Facebook Inc. 1162 01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:45,840 The deal terms 10 .2 % equity ownership in the company, a board 1163 01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:51,840 seat giving him governance rights and inside information, right of first 1164 01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:57,820 on all future funding rounds, post -money valuation of exactly $5 million. 1165 01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:02,100 Mark Zuckerberg's reaction after the deal closed? 1166 01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:06,640 This guy actually gets it. He understands what we are building. 1167 01:27:07,260 --> 01:27:08,820 Silicon Valley's reaction? 1168 01:27:09,420 --> 01:27:14,160 Peter Thiel just threw away half a million dollars on a college kid's 1169 01:27:14,580 --> 01:27:16,860 This will be his biggest failure. 1170 01:27:17,860 --> 01:27:21,720 What happened next rewrote the history of venture capital. 1171 01:27:22,620 --> 01:27:24,860 2004, end of year. 1172 01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:29,340 200 ,000 users grew to 1 million users. 1173 01:27:30,250 --> 01:27:33,470 Five times growth in four months. 2005. 1174 01:27:34,130 --> 01:27:38,550 One million users becomes 5 .5 million users. 1175 01:27:38,830 --> 01:27:44,390 2006. 5 .5 million users becomes 12 million users. 1176 01:27:44,930 --> 01:27:50,970 2007. 12 million users exploded to 50 million users. 1177 01:27:51,230 --> 01:27:56,570 2008. 50 million users doubled to 100 million users. 1178 01:27:57,490 --> 01:27:58,570 2009. 1179 01:27:59,370 --> 01:28:03,550 100 million users becomes 350 million users. 1180 01:28:03,890 --> 01:28:09,530 Growth rate, the user base was doubling every six to nine months for five 1181 01:28:09,530 --> 01:28:10,690 consecutive years. 1182 01:28:11,450 --> 01:28:17,130 This growth curve has never been seen before in business history, not even 1183 01:28:17,130 --> 01:28:23,330 close. As Facebook grew, its valuation grew, and Peter Thiel's stake grew with 1184 01:28:23,330 --> 01:28:24,330 it. 1185 01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:26,290 May 2005. 1186 01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:33,080 Axel Partners invests $12 .7 million at $100 million valuation. 1187 01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:38,400 Theo's 10 .2 % stake is now worth $10 .2 million. 1188 01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:42,800 He has achieved 20 times return in nine months. 1189 01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:45,640 April 2006. 1190 01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:52,980 Greylock Partners and Meritech Capital invest $27 .5 million at $500 million 1191 01:28:52,980 --> 01:28:53,980 valuation. 1192 01:28:54,680 --> 01:29:01,100 Sealsake is now worth $51 million, 100 times return on his original investment. 1193 01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,600 October 2007, 1194 01:29:04,380 --> 01:29:11,100 Microsoft invests $240 million, valuing Facebook at $15 1195 01:29:11,100 --> 01:29:12,100 billion. 1196 01:29:12,620 --> 01:29:19,380 Sealsake is now worth $1 .5 billion, a 300 ,000 times return 1197 01:29:19,380 --> 01:29:20,560 in three years. 1198 01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:24,020 2009 through 2011. 1199 01:29:24,440 --> 01:29:30,780 Multiple private sales and secondary transactions value Facebook at $50 1200 01:29:31,660 --> 01:29:37,060 Thiel's stake, if he had held everything, would be worth $5 billion. 1201 01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,700 May 18th, 2012. 1202 01:29:41,480 --> 01:29:47,800 Facebook goes public at a market capitalization of $104 billion. 1203 01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,360 But Thiel does not hold everything. 1204 01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:52,640 He is strategic. 1205 01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:53,940 He is tactical. 1206 01:29:54,260 --> 01:29:55,600 He takes profits. 1207 01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:02,240 At the initial public offering, Thiel sells $640 million worth of shares 1208 01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:03,240 immediately. 1209 01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:08,580 Over the following six months, he sells the remainder of his stake in carefully 1210 01:30:08,580 --> 01:30:09,580 timed transactions. 1211 01:30:10,740 --> 01:30:16,080 Total cash realized from the Facebook investment, approximately $1 billion. 1212 01:30:17,740 --> 01:30:22,280 Initial investment in August 2004, $500 ,000. 1213 01:30:22,700 --> 01:30:27,680 Total cash realized by end of 2012, $1 billion. 1214 01:30:28,660 --> 01:30:33,180 Total return, 2 ,000 times in 8 years. 1215 01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:39,020 This is the single greatest venture capital return in recorded history. 1216 01:30:39,020 --> 01:30:40,160 else comes close. 1217 01:30:40,660 --> 01:30:42,400 But here is the twist. 1218 01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:48,160 The haunting decision... that Thiel himself admits keeps him awake at night. 1219 01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:50,240 Selling was a mistake. 1220 01:30:51,100 --> 01:30:57,480 If Peter Thiel had held his original 10 .2 % stake and had never sold a single 1221 01:30:57,480 --> 01:31:03,920 share, that stake at Facebook's peak market capitalization in 2021 would have 1222 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,180 been worth $102 billion. 1223 01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:09,400 $102 billion. 1224 01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,560 He left $100 billion on the table by selling early. 1225 01:31:15,740 --> 01:31:20,960 Thiel himself admitted this publicly, saying, The mistake was not investing in 1226 01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,900 Facebook. The mistake was selling Facebook. 1227 01:31:24,580 --> 01:31:26,460 I should have held longer. 1228 01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:31,860 I should have believed more. It is the single most expensive decision of his 1229 01:31:31,860 --> 01:31:32,860 life. 1230 01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:39,060 Years later, in a Stanford lecture, Thiel explained his actual investment 1231 01:31:39,060 --> 01:31:40,060 thesis. 1232 01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,280 The real reason he invested. 1233 01:31:42,740 --> 01:31:47,600 I did not invest in Facebook because I thought social networks were going to be 1234 01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:52,740 big. I invested because I understood that humans will always want to be more 1235 01:31:52,740 --> 01:31:53,740 like their peers. 1236 01:31:53,940 --> 01:31:57,300 That desire is infinite. It never stops. 1237 01:31:57,640 --> 01:31:59,420 It only intensifies. 1238 01:31:59,960 --> 01:32:03,320 An infinite desire creates infinite value. 1239 01:32:03,740 --> 01:32:06,980 The mimetic theory made him a billionaire. 1240 01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:12,760 The memetic theory also made him terrified of what he had helped create. 1241 01:32:13,300 --> 01:32:19,720 A machine that weaponizes human envy. A system that profits from making people 1242 01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:20,720 feel inadequate. 1243 01:32:21,140 --> 01:32:25,940 An algorithm that amplifies the worst aspects of human nature. 1244 01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:32,340 Peter Thiel helped build the most powerful behavior modification system in 1245 01:32:32,340 --> 01:32:36,820 history. And then he cashed out for a billion dollars. 1246 01:32:45,620 --> 01:32:48,980 2003. Peter Thiel has a problem. 1247 01:32:49,460 --> 01:32:54,460 It is the CIA's problem that they think Thiel can solve it. 1248 01:32:54,700 --> 01:33:00,440 His PayPal anti -fraud algorithms have become so sophisticated at detecting 1249 01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:05,360 patterns in financial transactions, at finding terrorists trying to move money 1250 01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:12,100 through banking systems, that the CIA venture capital arm in QTEL requested a 1251 01:33:12,100 --> 01:33:13,100 meeting. 1252 01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:14,900 The pitch from the CIA. 1253 01:33:15,480 --> 01:33:20,020 Can you build what you built for PayPal, but for national security? 1254 01:33:20,540 --> 01:33:24,180 Can you find terrorists the way you found fraudsters? 1255 01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:26,280 May 2003. 1256 01:33:26,940 --> 01:33:32,440 Peter Thiel co -found Palantir Technologies with an unusual group of co 1257 01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:37,720 -founders. The founding team, Alex Karp, Chief Executive Officer. 1258 01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:43,820 Stanford law degree, philosophy, PhD from Frankfurt University in Germany. 1259 01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:48,160 Former human rights lawyer who once worked on refugee cases. 1260 01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:53,780 An extremely odd choice to run a company that will become the most powerful 1261 01:33:53,780 --> 01:33:56,300 surveillance technology provider on earth. 1262 01:33:57,260 --> 01:34:00,500 Nathan Gettings, chief technology officer. 1263 01:34:01,300 --> 01:34:03,560 PayPal's lead security engineer. 1264 01:34:04,100 --> 01:34:06,920 Brilliant programmer, Joe Lonsdale. 1265 01:34:07,480 --> 01:34:12,960 A Stanford undergraduate student, barely 20 years old, one of the first Thiel 1266 01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:17,840 fellows. Stephen Cohen, PayPal's chief security architect. 1267 01:34:18,220 --> 01:34:21,620 The person who actually built the fraud detection algorithms. 1268 01:34:22,380 --> 01:34:24,160 Initial funding, $2 million. 1269 01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,940 Entirely from Peter Thiel's personal capital. 1270 01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:30,360 No outside investors yet. 1271 01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:32,200 This is his project. 1272 01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:34,720 The mission statement... 1273 01:34:34,940 --> 01:34:40,180 Build software that can find patterns in massive datasets from disparate, 1274 01:34:40,180 --> 01:34:41,520 incompatible sources. 1275 01:34:42,540 --> 01:34:48,480 The kind of data that, if intelligence agencies have been able to analyze it 1276 01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:52,800 properly, could have prevented September 11th, 2001. 1277 01:34:53,880 --> 01:35:00,160 The company name, Palantir, named after the seeing stones in Lord of the Rings, 1278 01:35:00,510 --> 01:35:04,950 The magical orbs that allow their possessors to see anything happening 1279 01:35:04,950 --> 01:35:05,950 in Middle Earth. 1280 01:35:06,290 --> 01:35:08,510 Even the name revealed the ambition. 1281 01:35:09,010 --> 01:35:11,230 Total information awareness. 1282 01:35:12,030 --> 01:35:14,650 The ability to see everything. 1283 01:35:17,290 --> 01:35:24,290 2005. The CIA's venture capital arm, In -Q -Tel, invests $2 million in 1284 01:35:24,290 --> 01:35:26,470 Palantir's Series A funding round. 1285 01:35:26,930 --> 01:35:28,710 This was not just money. 1286 01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:34,640 This was validation from the intelligence community, a stamp of 1287 01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:39,080 the most secretive, most paranoid organization in the US government. 1288 01:35:39,980 --> 01:35:43,260 Initial contract value, undisclosed. 1289 01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:49,480 Government intelligence contracts are classified by law, but industry analysts 1290 01:35:49,480 --> 01:35:54,420 estimate the first CIA contracts were worth $5 to $10 million annually. 1291 01:35:55,260 --> 01:35:58,440 The product was called Palantir Gotham. 1292 01:35:58,970 --> 01:36:00,710 The name itself was significant. 1293 01:36:01,230 --> 01:36:07,210 Gotham, the dark city that needs Batman. The city that needs surveillance to 1294 01:36:07,210 --> 01:36:08,210 fight crime. 1295 01:36:08,510 --> 01:36:10,130 Core technical capabilities. 1296 01:36:10,990 --> 01:36:16,370 Integrate data from dozens of incompatible government databases that 1297 01:36:16,370 --> 01:36:21,470 designed to communicate with each other. From hidden connections between people, 1298 01:36:21,650 --> 01:36:25,810 places, financial transactions, communications metadata. 1299 01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:31,840 Visualize networks of relationships in ways human analysts could understand 1300 01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:37,840 intuitively. Predict future behavior and likely attack patterns based on 1301 01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:38,900 historical data. 1302 01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:42,640 Specific use cases for intelligence agencies. 1303 01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:46,280 Track terrorist cells across multiple countries. 1304 01:36:46,660 --> 01:36:50,280 Map drug trafficking routes from production to distribution. 1305 01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:55,740 Identify money laundering networks moving funds for organized crime. 1306 01:36:56,520 --> 01:37:01,780 predict insurgent attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan based on pattern 1307 01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:03,420 It worked. 1308 01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:06,020 The software actually worked. 1309 01:37:06,440 --> 01:37:13,260 By 2006, Palantir software was being actively used in Iraq for 1310 01:37:13,260 --> 01:37:16,480 operations and in IED attack prediction. 1311 01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:21,660 Afghanistan for predicting Taliban leadership networks. 1312 01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:26,480 Langley, Virginia at SEIA headquarters for threat analysis. 1313 01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:31,740 FBI field officers nationwide for domestic terrorism investigation. 1314 01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:38,060 Early revenue growth told the story of Palantir's expanding reach. 1315 01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:41,940 2005, $3 million in revenue. 1316 01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:46,400 Government contracts only. 2006, $10 million. 1317 01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:50,540 2007, $25 million. 1318 01:37:51,450 --> 01:37:53,530 2008, $50 million. 1319 01:37:54,010 --> 01:37:56,350 First commercial clients added. 1320 01:37:56,810 --> 01:37:59,910 2010, $150 million. 1321 01:38:00,610 --> 01:38:03,330 2012, $400 million. 1322 01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:09,990 By 2012, Palantir had achieved something extremely rare for a high -growth 1323 01:38:09,990 --> 01:38:12,250 technology company, profitability. 1324 01:38:13,090 --> 01:38:17,530 They were actually making money, not just burning venture capital. 1325 01:38:18,250 --> 01:38:21,050 Customer revenue breakdown in 2012. 1326 01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:23,190 Government contracts. 1327 01:38:23,550 --> 01:38:25,390 60 % of revenue. 1328 01:38:26,090 --> 01:38:27,350 $240 million. 1329 01:38:28,110 --> 01:38:31,310 Commercial clients. 40 % of revenue. 1330 01:38:31,730 --> 01:38:33,390 $160 million. 1331 01:38:35,290 --> 01:38:37,330 May 1, 2011. 1332 01:38:38,130 --> 01:38:43,370 Palantir Software plays a role in the operation that kills Osama bin Laden. 1333 01:38:43,630 --> 01:38:46,490 A role that remains partially classified. 1334 01:38:47,050 --> 01:38:49,590 but has been confirmed by multiple sources. 1335 01:38:50,230 --> 01:38:52,050 How Palantir contributed? 1336 01:38:52,630 --> 01:38:56,950 Palantir Gotham integrated dozens of different intelligence sources. 1337 01:38:57,930 --> 01:39:01,170 CIA human intelligence on courier networks. 1338 01:39:01,530 --> 01:39:07,110 NSA signal intelligence including phone metadata and email communications 1339 01:39:07,110 --> 01:39:08,110 patterns. 1340 01:39:08,750 --> 01:39:15,170 National Geospatial Intelligence Agency satellite imagery of potential compound 1341 01:39:15,170 --> 01:39:16,170 locations. 1342 01:39:16,750 --> 01:39:21,350 historical pattern analysis of previous high -value target operations in 1343 01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:22,350 Pakistan. 1344 01:39:23,650 --> 01:39:28,810 The system identified patterns and connections that human analysts, working 1345 01:39:28,810 --> 01:39:32,510 separate databases, that did not communicate, had missed. 1346 01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:38,450 It narrowed the search area and helped confirm the identity of the Abbottabad 1347 01:39:38,450 --> 01:39:39,450 compound. 1348 01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:45,300 When asked about Palantir's role in the Bin Laden operation, Field gave 1349 01:39:45,300 --> 01:39:46,760 carefully worded response. 1350 01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:52,500 I cannot comment on specific operations or specific clients due to 1351 01:39:52,500 --> 01:39:55,980 classification requirements, but I will say this. 1352 01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:01,880 Tools that help protect American lives and help intelligence professionals do 1353 01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:04,960 their jobs better. That is our mission. 1354 01:40:06,940 --> 01:40:13,040 This single operation, this single success, legitimized Palantir's entire 1355 01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:15,820 proposition for the national security establishment. 1356 01:40:16,460 --> 01:40:20,260 After Bin Laden, the contract poured in. 1357 01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:26,660 After the Bin Laden success, Palantir's government business exploded. 1358 01:40:27,180 --> 01:40:30,740 Revenue growth from 2012 to 2015. 1359 01:40:31,940 --> 01:40:33,000 2012, 1360 01:40:33,740 --> 01:40:38,900 $400 million in revenue. 2013, $600 million. 1361 01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:42,400 2014, $900 million. 1362 01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:47,240 2015, $1 .5 billion in revenue. 1363 01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:50,420 Major new contracts announced publicly. 1364 01:40:53,680 --> 01:41:00,320 U .S. Department of Defense, $222 million for a three -year data 1365 01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,220 integration platform contract. 1366 01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:04,280 U .S. Army. 1367 01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:11,040 $800 million for comprehensive data platform modernization across all Army 1368 01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:12,040 systems. 1369 01:41:12,220 --> 01:41:14,700 U .S. Special Operations Command. 1370 01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:20,040 $444 million for targeting and intelligence fusion. 1371 01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:22,940 Department of Homeland Security. 1372 01:41:23,700 --> 01:41:28,880 $240 million for border security and immigration enforcement systems. 1373 01:41:30,230 --> 01:41:35,570 Palantir had become the single most important software company in the entire 1374 01:41:35,570 --> 01:41:40,490 .S. defense and intelligence establishment, more important than 1375 01:41:40,490 --> 01:41:44,690 defense contractors, more embedded in classified operations. 1376 01:41:46,410 --> 01:41:51,510 Simultaneously, Palantir launched a commercial product called Palantir 1377 01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:53,350 for private sector clients. 1378 01:41:53,690 --> 01:41:55,970 The sales pitch to corporate America. 1379 01:41:56,810 --> 01:42:00,130 Your company has exactly the same problem as the CIA. 1380 01:42:00,570 --> 01:42:06,290 Too much data, too many incompatible systems, not enough insight. 1381 01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:09,470 We can help you find the patterns you are missing. 1382 01:42:10,030 --> 01:42:13,910 Major commercial clients and estimated contract values. 1383 01:42:16,050 --> 01:42:17,690 J .P. Morgan Chase. 1384 01:42:18,070 --> 01:42:20,170 Over $100 million. 1385 01:42:20,650 --> 01:42:23,510 Fraud detection and financial crime prevention. 1386 01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:29,780 Morgan Stanley, over $50 million, risk management and regulatory compliance. 1387 01:42:30,620 --> 01:42:36,900 Airbus, over $75 million, supply chain optimization and manufacturing 1388 01:42:36,900 --> 01:42:37,900 analytics. 1389 01:42:38,660 --> 01:42:45,400 Merck Pharmaceuticals, over $60 million, drug discovery analytics and 1390 01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:47,240 clinical trial data integration. 1391 01:42:48,020 --> 01:42:51,020 BP, over $80 million. 1392 01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:55,760 Oil field production, optimization, and predictive maintenance. 1393 01:42:56,660 --> 01:43:01,020 Commercial revenue growth from 2015 to 2020. 1394 01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:06,600 In 2015, they got $600 million commercial revenue. 1395 01:43:06,940 --> 01:43:10,840 By 2016, the number was around $800 billion. 1396 01:43:11,380 --> 01:43:18,080 In 2017, they reached $1 .1 billion in commercial revenue, and it became their 1397 01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:19,080 peak year. 1398 01:43:19,480 --> 01:43:26,460 2018 made them hit the $750 million mark, a temporary decline due to 1399 01:43:26,460 --> 01:43:27,460 churn. 1400 01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:34,020 In 2019, revenue was around $745 million. 1401 01:43:34,780 --> 01:43:39,520 And by 2020, they reached $1 .1 billion again. 1402 01:43:39,980 --> 01:43:44,320 This recovery was driven by COVID analytics contracts. 1403 01:43:45,210 --> 01:43:50,170 Palantir had created a business model with two enormous locked -in customer 1404 01:43:50,170 --> 01:43:55,350 bases, the US government and the largest corporations in the world. 1405 01:43:58,870 --> 01:44:04,290 But Palantir's work, especially for government agencies, attracted intense 1406 01:44:04,290 --> 01:44:06,790 controversy and moral criticism. 1407 01:44:07,370 --> 01:44:12,970 In 2019, they secured a contract with ICE for $49 million. 1408 01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:18,820 The purpose of the contract was enforcement and removal operations 1409 01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:25,820 meaning a software used to identify, track and process undocumented 1410 01:44:25,820 --> 01:44:27,120 for deportation. 1411 01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:30,640 This project came with a controversy attached. 1412 01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:35,440 The software was used during the family separation policy at the southern 1413 01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:40,220 border. Children separated from their parents, families torn apart. 1414 01:44:41,260 --> 01:44:44,660 Palantir software helped make it operationally possible. 1415 01:44:45,380 --> 01:44:50,340 Hundreds of Palantir employees signed an internal letter demanding the company 1416 01:44:50,340 --> 01:44:51,940 cancel the ICE contract. 1417 01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:57,760 They argued the company was enabling human rights abuses. 1418 01:44:58,440 --> 01:45:00,020 Thiel and Karp's response? 1419 01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:01,900 Absolute refusal. 1420 01:45:02,260 --> 01:45:04,140 The contract would continue. 1421 01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:10,220 Alex Karp gave a public statement saying that they had chosen sides and that the 1422 01:45:10,220 --> 01:45:12,460 company supported American institutions. 1423 01:45:13,340 --> 01:45:17,560 But this was not the only controversy Palantir has faced. 1424 01:45:18,500 --> 01:45:24,640 Palantir worked alongside the NYPD, with a contract estimated between $50 and 1425 01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:25,640 $100 billion. 1426 01:45:25,980 --> 01:45:27,060 The mission? 1427 01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:28,920 Predictive policy. 1428 01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:35,040 They were asked to use historical crime data to predict where future crimes will 1429 01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:38,720 occur and who is likely to commit them. The controversy? 1430 01:45:39,500 --> 01:45:43,920 Civil rights groups argued that systems perpetuated racial bias. 1431 01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:47,720 Minority neighborhoods were flagged as high risk. 1432 01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:52,840 Innocent people were put under surveillance based on algorithmic 1433 01:45:54,460 --> 01:46:00,860 Joe Lonsdale, Palantir co -founder, had made a personal investment in Cambridge 1434 01:46:00,860 --> 01:46:06,480 Analytica. Multiple Palantir employees, on their own time, helped Cambridge 1435 01:46:06,480 --> 01:46:09,180 Analytica build data integration models. 1436 01:46:11,340 --> 01:46:16,620 Both companies used similar approaches to data harvesting and psychological 1437 01:46:16,620 --> 01:46:22,640 profiling. When the connection was exposed by journalists, Palantir claimed 1438 01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:28,280 there was no institutional relationship, just coincidental personal connections. 1439 01:46:29,480 --> 01:46:32,480 But the damage to Palantir's reputation was done. 1440 01:46:32,820 --> 01:46:38,760 Thiel had built the Panopticon, the all -seeing eye of corporate and government 1441 01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:39,760 surveillance. 1442 01:46:40,620 --> 01:46:42,720 September 30, 2020. 1443 01:46:43,860 --> 01:46:49,240 After 17 years as a private company, one of the longest periods of private 1444 01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:55,040 operation for any major tech company, Palantir finally goes public through a 1445 01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:56,120 direct listing. 1446 01:46:58,060 --> 01:47:03,860 They went public at $10 per share, and their market capitalization at market 1447 01:47:03,860 --> 01:47:05,940 open was $16 billion. 1448 01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:13,200 By the first day, shares were down 5%. The stock was initially a 1449 01:47:14,100 --> 01:47:18,340 Investors were skeptical of the business model, worried about customer 1450 01:47:18,340 --> 01:47:21,440 concentration, concerned about the controversy. 1451 01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:28,020 But then COVID -19 created massive new demand for Palantir's capabilities. 1452 01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:35,360 2020 to 2021, Palantir wins enormous pandemic -related government contracts 1453 01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:37,620 with governments across the world. 1454 01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:42,960 The pandemic proved that governments needed Palantir, and the market 1455 01:47:43,540 --> 01:47:49,960 By late 2021, Palantir stock had exploded, $29 per share. 1456 01:47:50,890 --> 01:47:57,490 At 190 % gain from the direct listing price, market capitalization $60 1457 01:47:57,490 --> 01:47:58,490 billion. 1458 01:48:01,530 --> 01:48:03,150 Peter Thiel's stake. 1459 01:48:03,890 --> 01:48:09,190 Approximately 7 % ownership, worth $4 .2 billion at the peak. 1460 01:48:09,870 --> 01:48:14,450 2022. The tech crash hit Palantir brutally hard. 1461 01:48:14,890 --> 01:48:20,270 Stock prices crashed to $6 per share, down 8 % from the peak. 1462 01:48:20,860 --> 01:48:23,560 Market cap collapses to $13 billion. 1463 01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:28,200 Seals paper wealth from Palantir evaporates. 1464 01:48:28,580 --> 01:48:29,660 Billions gone. 1465 01:48:30,340 --> 01:48:35,800 2023 to 2024, the AI boom creates new opportunities. 1466 01:48:36,460 --> 01:48:40,940 Palantir markets itself as the AI platform for governments and 1467 01:48:41,500 --> 01:48:44,080 And they get major new contract wins. 1468 01:48:44,810 --> 01:48:51,770 The U .S. Army invested $463 million for AI -powered battlefield analytics and 1469 01:48:51,770 --> 01:48:53,190 decision support systems. 1470 01:48:54,450 --> 01:49:00,210 Palantir stock recovered, 25 to 30 per share by 2024. 1471 01:49:01,390 --> 01:49:07,910 As of 2024, Peter Thiel's current Palantir holdings are approximately 7 % 1472 01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:13,690 shares, with the current value ranging from 3 .8 % to 4 .5 billion dollars 1473 01:49:13,690 --> 01:49:20,390 depending on daily stock price this 1474 01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:26,870 makes palantir field single largest source of personal wealth in 1475 01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:32,210 2024 palantir's financial performance was divided between government and 1476 01:49:32,210 --> 01:49:38,390 commercial revenues the company's net income was 2 .5 billion dollars annually 1477 01:49:39,100 --> 01:49:43,520 And, as big as the number is, this might represent a future problem for the 1478 01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:48,620 company. If government budget cuts happen, Palantir is extremely 1479 01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:53,300 Their entire business model depends on continued government spending. 1480 01:49:54,740 --> 01:49:57,760 Here is Peter Thiel's fundamental contradiction. 1481 01:49:58,340 --> 01:50:02,760 The paradox at the heart of everything he has built, he claims to be a 1482 01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:06,920 libertarian who values individual freedom above all else. 1483 01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:11,900 A man who believes government power should be minimal. A man who wrote that 1484 01:50:11,900 --> 01:50:14,700 freedom and democracy are incompatible. 1485 01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:20,600 Yet, he built the most powerful private surveillance technology company in human 1486 01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:26,620 history. A company that gives governments and corporations 1487 01:50:26,620 --> 01:50:30,900 to monitor, track, predict and control human behavior. 1488 01:50:31,980 --> 01:50:37,130 Palantir's technical capabilities include real -time tracking, of 1489 01:50:37,130 --> 01:50:43,650 across multiple data sources and databases predictive 1490 01:50:43,650 --> 01:50:49,830 behavioral modeling that forecasts what people will do before they do it network 1491 01:50:49,830 --> 01:50:54,910 analysis that maps every person you have ever contacted through any medium 1492 01:50:54,910 --> 01:51:01,390 complete integration of financial records communication metadata location 1493 01:51:01,390 --> 01:51:07,050 history and social relationship data into a single unified profile. 1494 01:51:08,050 --> 01:51:13,470 Thiel's defense of this contradiction was explaining that the alternative to 1495 01:51:13,470 --> 01:51:16,110 Palantir is not no surveillance. 1496 01:51:16,910 --> 01:51:22,230 The alternative is worse surveillance performed by incompetent government 1497 01:51:22,230 --> 01:51:26,970 bureaucrats using decades -old technology that does not work properly. 1498 01:51:30,990 --> 01:51:33,070 The critics' response was obvious. 1499 01:51:33,410 --> 01:51:39,630 They told Thiel he had built the Panopticon, the architecture of total 1500 01:51:39,630 --> 01:51:40,630 surveillance. 1501 01:51:41,230 --> 01:51:45,270 A system allowing governments around the world to use their citizens' 1502 01:51:45,530 --> 01:51:47,110 information to control them. 1503 01:51:47,310 --> 01:51:50,250 Not a system to protect them, said the critics. 1504 01:51:51,510 --> 01:51:54,750 Palantir now operates in dozens of countries worldwide. 1505 01:51:55,230 --> 01:52:00,010 The United States, the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Australia. 1506 01:52:00,570 --> 01:52:01,570 and even Japan. 1507 01:52:01,770 --> 01:52:07,910 The company has some controversial international clients, some confirmed, 1508 01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:14,450 alleged, but the total estimated value of all global contracts lifetime, over 1509 01:52:14,450 --> 01:52:17,410 $10 billion in contract value. 1510 01:52:18,350 --> 01:52:22,490 Palantir is Peter Thiel's most important company. 1511 01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:26,850 Not because of its valuation, though that is substantial. 1512 01:52:27,250 --> 01:52:28,970 Not because of its revenue. 1513 01:52:29,530 --> 01:52:30,850 though that is significant. 1514 01:52:31,550 --> 01:52:37,030 Palantir is important because it reveals the truth about Thiel's worldview. 1515 01:52:37,410 --> 01:52:42,510 It is the bridge between his libertarian philosophy and his authoritarian 1516 01:52:42,510 --> 01:52:43,510 reality. 1517 01:52:44,170 --> 01:52:50,050 He claims to want freedom from government control, but Palantir gives 1518 01:52:50,050 --> 01:52:53,630 governments unprecedented control over their citizens. 1519 01:52:53,990 --> 01:52:56,970 The resolution of this apparent contradiction 1520 01:52:57,930 --> 01:53:03,930 Peter Thiel believes in freedom for the elite and surveillance for everyone 1521 01:53:03,930 --> 01:53:04,930 else. 1522 01:53:05,790 --> 01:53:10,570 In his vision of the world, there are rulers and there are the rules. 1523 01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:15,810 There are the people who make the decisions and the people who are 1524 01:53:16,570 --> 01:53:22,650 Palantir is the enforcement mechanism for that hierarchy, the technology that 1525 01:53:22,650 --> 01:53:24,970 ensures the rulers can see everything. 1526 01:53:25,790 --> 01:53:31,530 the system that makes resistance impossible because privacy no longer 1527 01:53:32,030 --> 01:53:37,790 And Peter Thiel sits at the center of that eye, watching the world, seeing 1528 01:53:37,790 --> 01:53:41,730 everything, the architect of the surveillance state. 1529 01:53:46,230 --> 01:53:52,430 In 2016, Peter Thiel made an investment that every other major technology 1530 01:53:52,430 --> 01:53:53,550 investor avoided. 1531 01:53:55,790 --> 01:54:00,290 While his peers in Silicon Valley were contributing millions to the opposing 1532 01:54:00,290 --> 01:54:06,710 campaign, Thiel wrote a check for $1 .25 million for Donald Trump's presidential 1533 01:54:06,710 --> 01:54:09,850 campaign. This was not ideology. 1534 01:54:10,230 --> 01:54:13,350 This was portfolio diversification. 1535 01:54:14,330 --> 01:54:18,410 Thiel has always invested in contrarian positions. 1536 01:54:19,050 --> 01:54:21,890 When everyone zigs, he zags. 1537 01:54:22,110 --> 01:54:28,440 When consensus forms in one direction, He looks for asymmetric opportunities in 1538 01:54:28,440 --> 01:54:29,440 the other. 138013

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