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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:22,670 --> 00:00:28,910 I can say generally that every spy is making you a damage because the fact 2 00:00:28,910 --> 00:00:35,790 that the spy is in the surroundings of officers, people 3 00:00:35,790 --> 00:00:41,270 who are close to state secrets, it's harming. 4 00:00:42,830 --> 00:00:49,490 Shin Bet was penetrated. There was researching, biological research 5 00:00:49,490 --> 00:00:51,330 was penetrated. 6 00:00:52,620 --> 00:00:58,540 I know that there have been some cases in which were not 7 00:00:58,540 --> 00:01:02,820 published, and therefore I cannot talk about it. 8 00:01:03,820 --> 00:01:09,700 It's a question of censorship and gag orders, and as a law -abiding Israeli 9 00:01:09,700 --> 00:01:11,740 citizen, I don't break the law. 10 00:01:16,380 --> 00:01:23,140 I can tell you for sure that not 100 % of the spies were revealed 11 00:01:23,140 --> 00:01:28,420 or found by the Israeli agency. 12 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:53,580 Israel has never made any secrets of using espionage against its enemies and 13 00:01:53,580 --> 00:01:58,920 friends for many decades, not least in Lebanon, Iran, and in Gaza. 14 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:06,280 It often boasts that its intelligence agencies like Mossad and Shin Bet are 15 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,900 most effective in the world. 16 00:02:08,620 --> 00:02:13,860 It uses agents, high -tech surveillance, and sophisticated planned operations, 17 00:02:14,100 --> 00:02:18,880 like the Pager attacks on Hezbollah, in Lebanon in September 2024. 18 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:26,480 Espionage is a global game played by the world's most influential powers in war 19 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,100 and peacetime. 20 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:34,660 One of the strengths of the ISA is the connections, the cooperation that we 21 00:02:34,660 --> 00:02:37,700 with the American and the British intelligence. 22 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,060 This is very important. 23 00:02:39,340 --> 00:02:44,200 There is a way of cooperation, you know. We share with them, they share with us. 24 00:02:45,580 --> 00:02:50,120 The counter -intelligence, the counter -espionage system is working very 25 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,500 successfully because of, you know, the long experience that we are doing it for 26 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:56,460 so many years. There are so many cases. 27 00:02:57,820 --> 00:03:03,120 But sometimes Israel's high -tech intelligence operations have faltered. 28 00:03:08,860 --> 00:03:13,300 Despite their reputation, mistakes are made and failures occur. 29 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:19,620 like the 1973 Arab -Israeli war and the 7th of October, 2023. 30 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:27,060 This film examines some of these failures and counter -espionage by 31 00:03:27,060 --> 00:03:30,900 enemies, using spies to inform on their own country. 32 00:03:33,300 --> 00:03:40,280 Now, I'm hearing very much lately all the stories that we 33 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,080 have a case of treason. 34 00:03:43,060 --> 00:03:44,240 That's not true. 35 00:03:44,900 --> 00:03:51,800 What happened on the 7th of October was a colossal failure of 36 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:57,100 intelligence, of operational and of technical force. 37 00:03:57,460 --> 00:04:03,220 In this case of 7th of October, we didn't have intelligence, any concrete 38 00:04:03,220 --> 00:04:06,460 intelligence about what they are going to do tomorrow. 39 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,820 And even on the night, early morning. 40 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:17,980 of 7th of October, when there were some signals that 41 00:04:17,980 --> 00:04:24,280 something maybe is developing inside Gaza, 42 00:04:24,500 --> 00:04:30,640 among the Hamas, the decision was to see it as an exercise. 43 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:40,220 And they were preparing for it for at least two years. And we didn't know 44 00:04:40,220 --> 00:04:42,020 it. We had him have a clue. 45 00:04:45,380 --> 00:04:52,360 So in the case of October 7th, the intelligence failure is much worse than 46 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:53,360 73. 47 00:04:55,580 --> 00:05:00,140 The security breach that allowed the Hamas -led attack on southern Israel to 48 00:05:00,140 --> 00:05:05,180 take place in October 2023 caused some analysts to think about other 49 00:05:05,180 --> 00:05:06,340 intelligence failures. 50 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,940 Had Israel previously been compromised by foreign intelligence agencies that 51 00:05:13,940 --> 00:05:14,940 covered it up? 52 00:05:17,860 --> 00:05:23,980 We hear from a former director of the internal security agency Shin Bet and a 53 00:05:23,980 --> 00:05:27,380 journalist specializing in intelligence and strategic affairs. 54 00:05:39,669 --> 00:05:46,330 Society, many of them were recruited through the immigration waves. 55 00:05:46,490 --> 00:05:53,230 Always immigration and waves and refugees and movement of people are a 56 00:05:53,230 --> 00:05:56,650 good hunting ground to recruit spies. 57 00:05:59,710 --> 00:06:04,710 Most potential spies are lured into this murky world for two main reasons, 58 00:06:04,850 --> 00:06:06,830 ideology and money. 59 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,840 In the former Soviet Union and the old Eastern Bloc countries, intelligence 60 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:18,880 agencies, particularly the KGB, found Jewish immigration to Israel in the 61 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,760 fertile ground for recruitment. 62 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,740 They exploited the immigrants' experience of communism and their need 63 00:06:26,740 --> 00:06:31,440 to recruit hundreds of spies and deploy them in key Israeli institutions. 64 00:06:36,610 --> 00:06:39,650 success stories of recruiting Israeli agents. 65 00:06:40,090 --> 00:06:46,330 And the first one, which I would like to mention, is Professor Kurt Sitte, 66 00:06:46,550 --> 00:06:51,170 who was a professor in the Israeli Technology Institute in Haifa. 67 00:06:51,610 --> 00:06:57,570 He actually was running by the Czech intelligence, but the Soviets were very 68 00:06:57,570 --> 00:07:03,190 much involved in it, because Kurt Sitte, who was a senior scientist, had an 69 00:07:03,190 --> 00:07:09,910 access. kind of engagement with the Israeli nuclear program that started to 70 00:07:09,910 --> 00:07:11,230 developed at that time. 71 00:07:37,419 --> 00:07:42,980 Professor Kurt Theta was one of the world's leading experts in cosmic rays, 72 00:07:42,980 --> 00:07:45,180 Czech intelligence managed to recruit him. 73 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:52,240 When he arrived in Israel in 1954, Theta got a job at the Israel Institute of 74 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,700 Technology, Technion. 75 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,120 which enabled him to pass on crucial military information. 76 00:07:59,380 --> 00:08:04,140 The Israeli authorities closely monitored Sita's meetings with his 77 00:08:04,140 --> 00:08:07,120 the Czech embassy and arrested him in 1960. 78 00:08:09,660 --> 00:08:14,300 Sita confessed to espionage and was sentenced to five years in prison. 79 00:08:16,140 --> 00:08:17,860 The trick in the matter is two things. 80 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:24,320 Number one, the Israeli scientists intervened and presented several 81 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,820 the President of the Republic and the Prime Minister to release him, as they 82 00:08:26,820 --> 00:08:31,820 considered him a scientist. But the other important part is that Mossad and 83 00:08:31,820 --> 00:08:38,080 Bet later discovered that the CIA knew that he was a spy for the 84 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,140 Cheeky investigation and did not report it. 85 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:49,340 Israel never revealed how much damage Sita caused, but soon after, another 86 00:08:49,340 --> 00:08:50,340 came to light. 87 00:08:52,540 --> 00:08:57,280 Senior Army Lieutenant Colonel Israel Baer worked with Israeli Prime Minister 88 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,480 and Defense Minister David Ben -Gurion. 89 00:09:00,220 --> 00:09:02,760 He was arrested in early 1961. 90 00:09:04,580 --> 00:09:09,000 Baer had been seen delivering a briefcase full of files to his handler 91 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,000 Soviet Embassy. 92 00:09:10,460 --> 00:09:14,940 The Israeli investigation said he provided the embassy with defense 93 00:09:14,940 --> 00:09:15,940 intelligence. 94 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:25,080 Israel there is a very interesting case because he immigrated 95 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:31,180 to Israel in the early 40s, and he wrote a few books about 96 00:09:31,180 --> 00:09:36,840 military strategy here in Israel, and somehow he became an advisor. 97 00:09:37,660 --> 00:09:41,820 to the Prime Minister and the Ministry of Defense of Israel at that time, David 98 00:09:41,820 --> 00:09:48,420 Ben -Gurion. He was talking to every military gathering 99 00:09:48,420 --> 00:09:53,700 in Israel, and he was speaking with a lot of confidence, and everybody saw 100 00:09:53,700 --> 00:10:00,700 he is prestigious, and people in the military would share with him, 101 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,300 would ask for his advice. 102 00:10:03,950 --> 00:10:07,290 Baer confessed that he spied for ideological reasons. 103 00:10:09,730 --> 00:10:13,870 He strongly believed that the Soviet Union would become the world's most 104 00:10:13,870 --> 00:10:17,390 influential superpower and that Israel should be its ally. 105 00:10:20,090 --> 00:10:24,970 He was sentenced to 15 years in prison, but the damage he caused remained 106 00:10:24,970 --> 00:10:25,970 classified. 107 00:10:28,850 --> 00:10:35,240 Israel Baer was one of the most powerful And I would say missing 108 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:40,680 most of the harmful spies that Israel had. 109 00:10:40,940 --> 00:10:47,640 Damage is considered to be something that Israel is not ready 110 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,480 to say it openly. 111 00:10:50,220 --> 00:10:56,500 That Israel is leaving it in a secret. If Israel Bear was a part 112 00:10:56,500 --> 00:11:01,580 of a secret consensus at the Prime Minister's office, 113 00:11:02,700 --> 00:11:07,220 And there they were talking about tactics. This kind of information is a 114 00:11:07,220 --> 00:11:10,840 big benefit to the other side. 115 00:11:13,660 --> 00:11:18,680 Around the same time as the Baer case, another spy was recruited purely for 116 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:19,680 money. 117 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:26,280 In the summer of 1948, Polish immigrant Lucjan Lewy arrived in the newly 118 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,020 established state of Israel. He quickly got a job at Shin Bet. 119 00:11:32,970 --> 00:11:37,530 His Polish handlers showered him with large sums of money, enabling him to 120 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:39,610 a lavish lifestyle in Tel Aviv. 121 00:11:40,130 --> 00:11:45,190 He was always photographing his Shin Bet colleagues and knew about most of their 122 00:11:45,190 --> 00:11:46,190 operations. 123 00:12:15,060 --> 00:12:20,320 He learned and knew all the information about him 124 00:12:35,729 --> 00:12:41,110 Levi passed on intelligence to his Polish handlers, who in turn shared it 125 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:42,110 Moscow. 126 00:12:43,230 --> 00:12:47,250 He continued spying for nine years until 1957. 127 00:12:48,270 --> 00:12:51,950 But another immigrant who'd worked with Polish intelligence arrived in Israel 128 00:12:51,950 --> 00:12:55,170 and implicated Levi under interrogation. 129 00:12:55,410 --> 00:13:00,330 His trial lasted for three years, but his story remained confidential. 130 00:13:01,470 --> 00:13:07,090 So he also caused a lot of damage because he knew about all the plans, the 131 00:13:07,090 --> 00:13:11,650 operations of the Shin Bet, the Israeli security services. 132 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:19,220 against the Russian and the Bulgarian and the Romanian and the Polish and the 133 00:13:19,220 --> 00:13:25,280 Czech embassies in Tel Aviv. He warned them in advance, tomorrow or in two 134 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:31,840 time there is an operation against you. So it gave them an opportunity to fool 135 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:32,840 the Israelis. 136 00:13:38,250 --> 00:13:42,610 The truth is that this caused a great damage to the Schoenbeet, and it was 137 00:13:42,610 --> 00:13:46,050 forced, and this is the most important thing, to change all the methods of its 138 00:13:46,050 --> 00:13:51,270 work and all the movements that the Dutch spy did not know the real plans. 139 00:13:52,070 --> 00:13:53,530 This cost a lot. 140 00:13:54,290 --> 00:13:59,450 This continued to affect the work of the Schoenbeet, and continued to affect 141 00:13:59,450 --> 00:14:04,810 that they are always skeptical that they have a spy from the inside. 142 00:14:06,540 --> 00:14:10,840 But counter -espionage against Israel wasn't limited to the Soviets and the 143 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:11,840 Poles. 144 00:14:12,300 --> 00:14:18,280 In 1954, Israel recruited a network of Jewish agents to plant explosives in 145 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,900 American and British facilities in Egypt. 146 00:14:22,020 --> 00:14:27,380 Operation Susanna, also known as the Laon Affair, aimed to sabotage Western 147 00:14:27,380 --> 00:14:29,480 relationships with the Egyptian authorities. 148 00:14:30,820 --> 00:14:35,800 Egyptian intelligence discovered the network and prosecuted all except its 149 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,350 leader, Avri Elad. 150 00:14:38,110 --> 00:14:43,090 Israel accused Elad of treason after suspecting he'd been recruited by the 151 00:14:43,090 --> 00:14:44,770 Egyptians as a double agent. 152 00:14:46,370 --> 00:14:51,570 The case shook Israel and ultimately forced Israeli Defense Minister Pinhas 153 00:14:51,570 --> 00:14:52,750 Lavon to resign. 154 00:14:55,510 --> 00:15:02,410 The case of Avri Elad, or as we called in Israel the third man, that's a 155 00:15:02,410 --> 00:15:03,410 serious case. 156 00:15:03,490 --> 00:15:04,730 He was a traitor. 157 00:15:06,199 --> 00:15:12,260 who betrayed an entire network of 158 00:15:12,260 --> 00:15:18,880 Egyptian Jews who worked for the Israeli intelligence. Two of them were 159 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,780 hanged, others were sentenced to many, many years in jail. 160 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,660 Egypt also looked for opportunities to recruit Israeli spies. 161 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,920 In 1963, an Israeli, Sami Baruch, walked into the Egyptian embassy in 162 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:41,780 Switzerland. He'd lost a lot of money in a failed textile business in Israel, 163 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,720 and he offered his services to Egyptian intelligence. 164 00:15:45,820 --> 00:15:51,300 They gave Baruch a passport and sent him to Cairo for training, and then on to 165 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:52,500 spy in Israel. 166 00:15:52,860 --> 00:15:58,040 They gave him money to hire Eastern European workers for his factory, and 167 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,480 became his spy network. 168 00:16:01,100 --> 00:16:05,620 But Baruch was spotted in Switzerland getting off an Egyptian airline's plane, 169 00:16:05,820 --> 00:16:07,860 and the Israelis became suspicious. 170 00:16:08,580 --> 00:16:14,400 He sent some reports to Egypt, but he was arrested and sentenced to 18 years 171 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:15,400 prison. 172 00:16:25,930 --> 00:16:31,370 or debts from his fame or from other shops, he was not able to achieve that, 173 00:16:31,370 --> 00:16:34,490 he had a kind of financial support. 174 00:16:35,109 --> 00:16:39,370 And maybe he was angry that no one helped him, so he went to the Egyptian 175 00:16:39,370 --> 00:16:40,370 intelligence. 176 00:16:40,690 --> 00:16:43,770 And the Egyptian intelligence, in any case, I think it did its duty. 177 00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:47,610 It trained him well and told him what to do. 178 00:16:48,350 --> 00:16:53,290 But it seems that he is not an intelligence man. He is a businessman, 179 00:16:53,730 --> 00:16:56,470 And even if you trained him, it is not necessary for him to complete his new 180 00:16:56,470 --> 00:16:58,210 job. So he was discovered. 181 00:17:01,550 --> 00:17:05,849 As part of the Israeli -Palestinian conflict, there were counter -espionage 182 00:17:05,849 --> 00:17:07,970 attempts by Palestinian groups. 183 00:17:09,050 --> 00:17:13,430 Some based in Syria tried to build connections with the Israeli socialist 184 00:17:13,430 --> 00:17:17,770 movement as a ploy to infiltrate the political heart of Israel. 185 00:17:19,089 --> 00:17:23,930 They made contact with members of an Arab -Jewish network in Israel called 186 00:17:23,930 --> 00:17:24,749 Red Front. 187 00:17:24,750 --> 00:17:28,369 This was a left -wing Marxist anti -Zionist organization. 188 00:17:29,210 --> 00:17:34,830 that included Jews and Palestinians, best known were the Israeli Ehud Adib 189 00:17:34,830 --> 00:17:36,650 the Palestinian Dawud Turki. 190 00:17:37,850 --> 00:17:43,130 In 1972, Adib went to Syria and met Palestinian armed groups. 191 00:17:44,290 --> 00:17:49,150 But Shin Bet had the Red Front under close surveillance. They planted 192 00:17:49,150 --> 00:17:53,170 devices in their meeting places and arrested all of them. 193 00:17:54,010 --> 00:17:56,730 It was one of the first cases of betrayal. 194 00:17:58,889 --> 00:18:04,910 of young people who were considered to be the best of the best of this society. 195 00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:11,950 Udi was not the only one. Udi and Dani went to Syria and talked to the 196 00:18:11,950 --> 00:18:13,510 PLO representative there. 197 00:18:14,110 --> 00:18:19,290 They were thinking of having some common struggle, like in South Africa. 198 00:18:24,190 --> 00:18:26,990 ... ... ... 199 00:18:26,990 --> 00:18:37,370 ... 200 00:18:37,370 --> 00:18:42,590 ... ... ... ... ... ... 201 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:58,400 So first they were charged with having contact with the enemy. Then came also 202 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:05,280 the charge of spying against Udi Adib. The spionage 203 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:10,960 that was related to him was based on the fact that while he met the activists in 204 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:16,640 Syria, he wanted to show that he's really loyal to the idea, 205 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,900 and he spoke about his... 206 00:19:20,250 --> 00:19:26,530 experience as a paratrooper. And therefore he's 207 00:19:26,530 --> 00:19:30,730 being mentioned nowadays as the spy, the Israeli spy. 208 00:19:51,330 --> 00:19:57,010 Therefore, the punishment was so hard in order to deter other people from 209 00:19:57,010 --> 00:19:58,010 joining this idea. 210 00:19:59,910 --> 00:20:05,270 Ehud Adib saw himself as a revolutionary, fighting to achieve 211 00:20:05,650 --> 00:20:11,410 But he was tried for espionage in an Israeli court and sentenced to 17 years 212 00:20:11,410 --> 00:20:12,410 prison. 213 00:20:13,290 --> 00:20:19,510 Another activist, Sylvia Klingberg, married him in prison in 1975, hoping to 214 00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:22,270 Israeli public opinion to bring about his release. 215 00:20:25,570 --> 00:20:30,350 Sylvia's father was Marcus Klingberg, a founder of the Israeli Institute for 216 00:20:30,350 --> 00:20:31,390 Biological Research. 217 00:20:54,260 --> 00:20:55,460 However, 218 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,380 Marcus Klingberg was arrested in 1983. 219 00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:13,860 Shin Bet had long been suspicious about him, and they had a trap saying they 220 00:21:13,860 --> 00:21:15,380 wanted him to travel to Asia. 221 00:21:16,340 --> 00:21:20,540 But when he left the house on the day of his trip, he was taken for 222 00:21:20,540 --> 00:21:21,540 interrogation. 223 00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:27,980 Under Shin Bet questioning, Klingberg confessed to spying for the Soviet Union 224 00:21:27,980 --> 00:21:29,240 decades earlier. 225 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:36,980 His case remained secret until 1985, when a British journalist went to Tel 226 00:21:37,390 --> 00:21:41,790 planning to interview Klingberg for an investigative report on chemical 227 00:21:42,450 --> 00:21:49,130 So I arrived in Israel, and I checked in with the Israeli Defense 228 00:21:49,130 --> 00:21:53,450 Forces because he worked in this Chemical and Biological Weapons 229 00:21:54,610 --> 00:21:59,070 And they said, Marcus Klingberg? You want to see Marcus Klingberg? 230 00:21:59,350 --> 00:22:00,730 No, he disappeared. 231 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,020 At the time, I was 3 years old. He was told that he had a trip to Singapore. 232 00:22:11,660 --> 00:22:17,900 A car was waiting for him at Tel Aviv. Instead of taking him to the airport, 233 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,740 the car took him to an interrogation room. 234 00:22:22,540 --> 00:22:29,060 After one or two days, quite quickly, he finally confessed 235 00:22:29,060 --> 00:22:33,160 that he had spied on the benefit of the Soviet Union. 236 00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:34,420 He confessed... 237 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:40,340 at the moment when those who proceed to the interrogation tell him that they 238 00:22:40,340 --> 00:22:44,540 know the address of his daughter and his little son. 239 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,320 Everything is closed to him. 240 00:22:49,780 --> 00:22:53,180 And so my grandfather receives the maximum punishment at the time. 241 00:23:06,709 --> 00:23:13,210 Marcus Klingberg's daughter Sylvia, when she had seen this piece that I had 242 00:23:13,210 --> 00:23:20,090 written in the Observer, was determined to try and get her father out of jail. 243 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:30,900 Israel's intelligence services have the reputation of being among the most 244 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:32,660 sophisticated in the world. 245 00:23:36,060 --> 00:23:41,960 But espionage is a double -edged sword, and Israel itself has sometimes fallen 246 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,480 victim to covert enemy activity. 247 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:52,200 Yet it always seems to manage to play these failures down or keep them out of 248 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,200 the public domain. 249 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:02,420 In this film, we're looking at cases in which the Soviet Union, Iran, and other 250 00:24:02,420 --> 00:24:07,420 intelligence services recruited Israelis to spy on their own country. 251 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,780 One of these was the Israeli epidemiologist, Marcus Klingberg. 252 00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:19,540 He was arrested by Shin Bet in 1983, interrogated, and confessed to having 253 00:24:19,540 --> 00:24:20,560 for the Soviet Union. 254 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,800 Israel imposed a gagging order on the Klingberg family. 255 00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:30,350 But Klingberg's daughter, Sylvia, was determined to get her father released. 256 00:24:31,330 --> 00:24:36,790 She and her French lawyer reached a secret agreement with the Soviet Union 257 00:24:36,790 --> 00:24:38,430 spy swap deal with Israel. 258 00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:47,990 It was arranged by East German lawyer Wolfgang Vogel on the Soviet side and 259 00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:49,990 Amnon Zekroni for Israel. 260 00:24:52,639 --> 00:24:55,800 We have a meeting in my office, it was not this one, I was at Rue de Rivoli at 261 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:01,380 the time, with Sylvia, with Vogel, who only spoke German, with Zichroni. 262 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:08,280 And there, Sylvia and I attend a kind of ping -pong game, whose ping -pong balls 263 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,820 are the names of spies. 264 00:25:11,820 --> 00:25:13,180 Zichroni, I want Polar. 265 00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:18,700 Pollard was an Israeli spy who was arrested in the United States because he 266 00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:23,680 obviously done the same thing that was reproached to Klingberg for having done, 267 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,360 and he had also been sentenced elsewhere. 268 00:25:25,860 --> 00:25:32,820 And then I want Ron Arad. Ron Arad is a pilot of the Israeli army who had 269 00:25:32,820 --> 00:25:35,220 been shot down from memory above the Liban. 270 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,000 And Vogel said, well, I want Klingberg. 271 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,280 And then, unfortunately, 272 00:25:47,530 --> 00:25:53,650 The fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 torpedoed the spike change deal. 273 00:25:54,890 --> 00:25:59,530 So the Klingbergs appealed to mark his release on humanitarian grounds. 274 00:26:00,090 --> 00:26:04,750 His health had declined badly after 15 years of a life sentence. 275 00:26:07,950 --> 00:26:14,690 Our strategy obviously changed and we pleaded for a liberation on 276 00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:20,050 a humanitarian basis. It was long, but in the end we did it, especially because 277 00:26:20,050 --> 00:26:25,310 we had the support of a certain number of personalities and also the former 278 00:26:25,310 --> 00:26:26,810 leader of the Shin Bet. 279 00:26:29,530 --> 00:26:35,230 I went to the prime minister, to Yitzhak Rabin, and I told Yitzhak Rabin that I 280 00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:36,230 think 281 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:43,340 that we have reached to the stage that we can parole 282 00:26:43,340 --> 00:26:44,780 him. The system didn't want. 283 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:52,760 They all went against me because he was the worst spy, etc., and 284 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:53,760 the damage. 285 00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:00,040 And I told the court that my understanding that from humanitarian 286 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:05,540 reasons, and the court received my... 287 00:27:10,140 --> 00:27:13,980 But Israel kept Klingberg under close surveillance. 288 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:19,020 He still had details of their biological weapons, which he'd leaked to the 289 00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:20,020 Soviet Union. 290 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:29,440 Israeli intelligence considered Klingberg the worst kind of traitor 291 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,500 informed on one of the country's most secretive institutions. 292 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:39,680 His wife also worked for the KGB and 293 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:45,160 others, I think, in the Institute also, but we don't know about that. One of his 294 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:51,920 ideas was, I'm giving information which, OK, is top secret to the Soviet 295 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,640 Union and they are building these weapons and the Americans have these 296 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,640 and now we have a balance. 297 00:27:57,340 --> 00:28:03,400 And so hopefully that balance will equal out. 298 00:28:03,740 --> 00:28:06,100 and they won't go to war. 299 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:14,440 Klingberg got his wish in that the US and the Soviet Union never did go to 300 00:28:15,260 --> 00:28:19,700 But three years after his arrest, there was another Israeli security breach. 301 00:28:21,060 --> 00:28:25,940 Mordechai Vanunu was an Israeli technician at the nuclear research 302 00:28:25,940 --> 00:28:27,380 as the Dimona reactor. 303 00:28:27,940 --> 00:28:33,280 In the summer of 1986, he secretly gathered information and photographed... 304 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,680 and gave them to the British newspaper, the Sunday Times. 305 00:28:59,879 --> 00:29:05,720 We were asked when? 306 00:29:19,390 --> 00:29:21,330 You change your mind about Israel. 307 00:29:21,730 --> 00:29:27,350 And he said it was in 1982 at the first Lebanon war. 308 00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:34,410 And he said that at that time he decided that Israel, the behavior of the state 309 00:29:34,410 --> 00:29:41,110 of Israel is risking the world because according to his knowledge, that's what 310 00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:44,910 he said, Israel has nuclear facilities, nuclear capabilities. 311 00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:50,360 He thinks that Israel is risking the security of the whole world. 312 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,960 The Israeli external intelligence agency Mossad only found out about Venunu 313 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,440 after the Sunday Times checked the photos and information. 314 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:04,960 They then lured him to Italy, drugged him, and took him back secretly to 315 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,940 Venunu spent 18 years in jail. 316 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,460 When he was released in 2004, he was barred from speaking to journalists and 317 00:30:14,460 --> 00:30:16,120 remained under close surveillance. 318 00:30:46,059 --> 00:30:49,580 But the Veneno affair was not the end of it. 319 00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:59,040 Shortly before the collapse of the Soviet Union, reports emerged in 1990 320 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,880 the recruitment of Reserve Colonel Shimon Levinson. 321 00:31:03,150 --> 00:31:08,090 He was a senior Israeli military intelligence officer who worked for 322 00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:11,110 then as head of security at the office of the prime minister. 323 00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:16,610 After being lured to Tel Aviv, Levinson admitted that he went to the Soviet 324 00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:22,570 embassy in Bangkok in 1983 and later visited Moscow for instructions from his 325 00:31:22,570 --> 00:31:26,890 handlers. He said he demanded large sums of money in return. 326 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,700 This is an unbelievable case because Shimon Levinson was considered Israel to 327 00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:39,440 be, many people knew him, considered to be somebody who was beyond suspicious. 328 00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:46,040 He was a lieutenant colonel in the army for many years. He was living in 329 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:52,240 Jerusalem. People know him. He got this position of the head of the security of 330 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,240 the prime minister's office, which gave him fantastic access. 331 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,040 to the most sensitive information that can be, meaning that, you know, every 332 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:06,720 government meeting, every meeting of the Cabinet of Defense. 333 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,200 The information that Levinson leaked to the Soviet Union remained classified. 334 00:32:12,860 --> 00:32:19,200 His arrest and trial stayed secret until 1993, when he was sentenced to 12 years 335 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,200 in prison. 336 00:32:20,540 --> 00:32:24,580 Simon Levinson was a part of the prime minister's ministry. 337 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:32,480 And, of course, there are concentrations and all kinds of papers that are 338 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:39,320 produced by the intimate staff of the prime minister. And it 339 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:45,120 is the high secret of the country that nobody wants to 340 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,900 talk about them openly. 341 00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:53,920 And if a spy knows it, the other countries know it, and damage is done. 342 00:32:54,750 --> 00:32:59,530 With Shimon Levinson, it's much more easier. It's just money. And I 343 00:32:59,530 --> 00:33:06,290 met him as well. When I heard that Shimon Levinson was compromised as a 344 00:33:06,290 --> 00:33:09,130 Soviet agent, I thought it's a nightmare. 345 00:33:09,410 --> 00:33:12,750 I couldn't believe that something like this happened because Shimon Levinson 346 00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:13,750 one of us. 347 00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:18,230 Levinson turned out to be one of them, a major Soviet asset. 348 00:33:18,930 --> 00:33:21,690 But there was a shift in international espionage. 349 00:33:22,030 --> 00:33:24,930 when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. 350 00:33:25,950 --> 00:33:31,290 Vasily Mitrakin was a KGB archivist who spent years copying top -secret 351 00:33:31,290 --> 00:33:37,750 documents. But in 1992, he defected to Britain and gave some of the KGB 352 00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:39,250 to British intelligence. 353 00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:44,970 They then shared names of some of the Israeli agents who'd spied for the 354 00:33:44,970 --> 00:33:47,410 Union with Israeli intelligence. 355 00:33:48,430 --> 00:33:51,210 Israel banned publication of these documents. 356 00:33:51,870 --> 00:33:55,970 But that didn't stop the British historian Christopher Andrew publishing 357 00:33:55,970 --> 00:34:02,230 spies' names in a book he co -wrote with Massili Mitrokhin called The KGB in the 358 00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:03,230 World. 359 00:34:04,190 --> 00:34:11,030 This Mitrokhin was a KGB officer, and when he was interviewed, he spoke 360 00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:17,130 also, he knew, obviously, about Israel as well. Luckily, most of what he has 361 00:34:17,130 --> 00:34:20,510 shared there was already known to the ISA. 362 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,860 It's interesting, in a few cases he didn't know the real name. 363 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:31,380 He knew only the code name. Immediately after he was defected and was 364 00:34:31,380 --> 00:34:37,040 interviewed, already the information that has to be of interest to Israel was 365 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,420 transferred to Israel through the intelligence channels of cooperation. 366 00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:47,179 The collapse of the Soviet Union also made it easier to conduct business in 367 00:34:47,179 --> 00:34:48,639 Eastern European countries. 368 00:34:49,370 --> 00:34:53,010 Israeli businessman Nahum Manbar was based in Poland. 369 00:34:53,330 --> 00:34:58,770 At the time, Iran urgently needed weapons after its eight -year war with 370 00:34:59,650 --> 00:35:05,710 Manbar seized the opportunity, and between 1992 and 1993, he effectively 371 00:35:05,710 --> 00:35:08,550 Iran develop chemical and biological weapons. 372 00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:12,410 But his trips to Iran attracted Mossad's attention. 373 00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:16,370 Talking about... 374 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:22,700 The big damages that caused to Israeli national security, one can 375 00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:28,300 remember Nahum Manba. Nahum Manba was a 376 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:32,800 businessman who sold 377 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,640 chemicals to Iran. 378 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,680 The Israeli law doesn't differentiate between... 379 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,900 Israeli investigators probed Manbar for detailed information, but he continued 380 00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:02,440 to insist that Shin Bet and Mossad knew all along about his business dealings 381 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,259 with Iran. 382 00:36:03,260 --> 00:36:08,820 However, in 1998, an Israeli court convicted him of treason and what it 383 00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:13,470 called... aiding the enemy and sentenced him to 16 years in jail. 384 00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:19,410 The Israeli service knew about his ties to Iran. 385 00:36:19,610 --> 00:36:23,970 He was followed also by the Mossad guys when he was in Europe. 386 00:36:24,330 --> 00:36:31,290 And while he was followed, there was a car accident and two Mossad agents were 387 00:36:31,290 --> 00:36:35,610 killed. Yes, he was a pain in the neck. 388 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:46,080 And it was very, very damaging. It was serious, and it was astonishing 389 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:51,760 that, you know, an Israeli would cooperate with the enemy. 390 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,900 Following the Manbar case, both Israel and Iran aimed to recruit agents on the 391 00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:00,900 ground. 392 00:37:01,580 --> 00:37:06,200 Israel didn't seem to be able to prevent the Iranian recruitment, and this led 393 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,780 to more security breaches. 394 00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:14,530 There were reports that Mossad accused one of their own agents, Ben Zigir, of 395 00:37:14,530 --> 00:37:17,550 exposing details of a secret mission to Iran. 396 00:37:20,570 --> 00:37:26,270 Mossad arrested Zigir and kept his case secret, but it all came out when Zigir 397 00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:32,270 took his own life in 2010 in a maximum security cell monitored 24 -7. 398 00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:37,930 There is a case which was reported abroad of Ben Zigir. 399 00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:45,110 An Australian Jew emigrated to Israel out of Zionist 400 00:37:45,110 --> 00:37:51,730 ideology, was recruited by the Mossad, was in operations 401 00:37:51,730 --> 00:37:58,450 in the Mossad, in operations which were directed against 402 00:37:58,450 --> 00:38:03,030 Iran, against Iran's nuclear capabilities. 403 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:10,480 And then he talked to some people. He wanted to boost how important he is, 404 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,500 what a secret mission he has been involved in. 405 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:22,920 And he caused a great deal of damage, and he was arrested, and he was 406 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:29,880 in Israeli jail, and he was not properly guarded in jail and committed suicide. 407 00:38:32,330 --> 00:38:37,350 Israeli intelligence tends to play down Iranian attempts to recruit spies from 408 00:38:37,350 --> 00:38:42,750 within, including the case of the former Minister of Energy and Infrastructure, 409 00:38:42,910 --> 00:38:44,970 Gonan Segev, in 2018. 410 00:38:46,750 --> 00:38:51,730 Segev admitted spying for Iran since 2012, providing them with sensitive 411 00:38:51,730 --> 00:38:56,290 information about security, energy resources, and names of officials. 412 00:38:58,270 --> 00:39:01,910 Israel banned the publication of details of the Segev case. 413 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,720 after he was sentenced to 11 years in prison in 2019. 414 00:39:29,610 --> 00:39:35,370 But I think the Israeli intelligence, the security services, almost very 415 00:39:35,370 --> 00:39:41,690 got hold of him. They tricked him, basically, 416 00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:47,030 to bring him back to Israel. He was kind of kidnapped from another African 417 00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:48,030 country. 418 00:40:16,370 --> 00:40:21,570 Despite trying to keep cases like Segev's under wraps, reports about 419 00:40:21,570 --> 00:40:23,530 spies continued to come out. 420 00:40:23,830 --> 00:40:26,170 Like Omri Goren Gorachovsky. 421 00:40:26,650 --> 00:40:32,030 arrested in 2021 for dealing with a group of hackers linked to Iran called 422 00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:37,570 Shadow. He worked as housekeeper for then -Defense Minister Benny Gantz, 423 00:40:37,570 --> 00:40:43,210 information about Gantz and to install malware on his computer, all for a mere 424 00:40:43,210 --> 00:40:44,470 ,000 US dollars. 425 00:40:45,350 --> 00:40:50,370 It was another blow to Shin Bet, especially when it emerged that Gorin 426 00:40:50,370 --> 00:40:52,990 long criminal record, including robberies. 427 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,900 and had never been properly vetted before going to work for Benny Gantz. 428 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:04,640 All the cases that you have mentioned, Omri Goren, Goren Segev, and 429 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:10,460 others, are really not worth, they 430 00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:13,180 didn't make any harm. 431 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,000 No, Omri is not serious. 432 00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:22,140 I don't think this is the case that he was recruited by the Iranians. 433 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:28,140 But even if Omri Goran and Gonan Segev were, as it were, not serious, October 434 00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:29,980 7th definitely was. 435 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,840 Spying had been a crucial activity on both sides of the Israeli -Palestinian 436 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,040 conflict for decades. 437 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,500 But by any standard, the Hamas -led attack on southern Israel on the 7th of 438 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:47,480 October 2023 was the biggest security breach in Israel's history. 439 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:55,740 What happened that day was unprecedented and led to an even more violent Israeli 440 00:41:55,740 --> 00:42:00,240 response. It also raised serious questions about Israeli intelligence. 441 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:06,480 Six months later, military intelligence director Aharon Haliva resigned. 442 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:12,060 His resignation letter included a request to set up an investigation to 443 00:42:12,060 --> 00:42:15,900 accurate answers as to what happened on October 7th. 444 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,800 It's not just an attack, it's invasion. 445 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:25,060 We didn't think that the Hamas could invade to Israel. 446 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:31,440 It's unbelievable that 50 years and one day after Yom Kippur War, something 447 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,700 quite similar happened to us as well. 448 00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:41,860 The failure of the intelligence here is worse than in 1973, and it's not just 449 00:42:41,860 --> 00:42:46,980 the intelligence, also the forces, the IDF forces who were on the border. 450 00:42:47,420 --> 00:42:48,420 We're not prepared. 451 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:20,820 In my opinion, there was a collection of information about the goal of the 452 00:43:20,820 --> 00:43:25,700 Hamas movement. And this is not an imagination. They didn't put the plan 453 00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:28,340 they don't know what's in front of them. They put the plan and they don't know 454 00:43:28,340 --> 00:43:34,120 what's in front of them. And this is the result of multiple means to collect 455 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,700 information about the desired goal. 456 00:43:41,450 --> 00:43:45,030 The October 7th attack by Hamas was a great humiliation. 457 00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:46,470 Israel was surprised. 458 00:43:47,050 --> 00:43:53,370 Israel was complacent. Israel was arrogant. And when I say Israel, it's 459 00:43:53,370 --> 00:43:58,170 to the bottom. It's from the prime minister, the government, the military, 460 00:43:58,170 --> 00:44:01,490 chief of staff, the head of the Shin Bet and the Shin Bet. 461 00:44:02,070 --> 00:44:06,650 All of them are rightly accused of this intelligence failure. 462 00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:13,090 So that's what happened on October the 7th. In that sense, it can be compared 463 00:44:13,090 --> 00:44:16,610 the Israeli failure before the 73 war. 464 00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:22,170 It's a failure that we will have to interrogate. I don't think that it's 465 00:44:22,170 --> 00:44:28,890 of treason. And those who were the chiefs 466 00:44:28,890 --> 00:44:31,990 of the army, of the intelligence, will have to go home. 467 00:44:34,930 --> 00:44:35,930 That's it. 468 00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:42,610 After October 7th, there were reports about Israelis being recruited by 469 00:44:42,610 --> 00:44:43,610 agents. 470 00:44:45,090 --> 00:44:46,890 In September 2024, 471 00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:51,290 the security services arrested Israeli businessman Moti Maman. 472 00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:57,810 They accused him of involvement in assassination attempts plotted by Iran 473 00:44:57,810 --> 00:44:59,190 prominent Israeli figures. 474 00:44:59,710 --> 00:45:03,130 Maman had asked the Iranians for a million dollars. 475 00:45:06,380 --> 00:45:11,720 Then, in October 2024, the authorities arrested a network of Israeli citizens 476 00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:14,140 they suspected of spying for Iran. 477 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,580 They were accused of taking photographs and collecting information on highly 478 00:45:19,580 --> 00:45:21,680 sensitive bases and facilities. 479 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:42,940 are trying to penetrate into Israeli army, Israeli 480 00:45:42,940 --> 00:45:49,840 security agencies. We have spotted several times 481 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:56,300 trials of the Iranians to recruit Israeli 482 00:45:56,300 --> 00:45:59,940 citizens, but there wasn't a big success. 483 00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:07,230 are not isolated events. 484 00:46:07,690 --> 00:46:11,890 They've taken place in a system that believes it can know and control 485 00:46:11,890 --> 00:46:17,690 everything, that its power, technology, and alliances will always be enough. 486 00:46:18,370 --> 00:46:23,410 In the war between the U .S. and Israel and Iran, intelligence agencies use the 487 00:46:23,410 --> 00:46:28,310 language of threat and risk, which has brought the whole of the Middle East to 488 00:46:28,310 --> 00:46:29,310 the brink of catastrophe. 489 00:46:31,210 --> 00:46:37,750 History suggests that no side can bomb or spy its way out of a conflict, that 490 00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:42,730 security cannot be built on fear alone, and that ignoring the rights and lives 491 00:46:42,730 --> 00:46:49,110 of ordinary people, Israeli, Palestinian, Iranian, Lebanese, and many 492 00:46:49,390 --> 00:46:54,750 will continue to create the very threat that intelligence services aim to 493 00:46:54,750 --> 00:46:55,750 prevent. 44646

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