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Smart contracts can be used to transfer
rent payments to an investor on a pro
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rata basis as soon as the rent has been
received.
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Or a smart contract automatically
initiates payments as soon as certain
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milestones are reached in a project.
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The interesting thing about token is you
could say it's a smart contract that is
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registered on a blockchain.
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But in the end, we talk about
programmable values.
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I don't want to say money here because
there might be a difference between
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and its regulation.
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and transferable values but it will be
very important for example if we think
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about sustainability that we not only
introduce a new digital asset but that
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generates impact so we need to add
meaning to a certain nominal factor and
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this will be i think the most relevant
aspect of tokenization that we create
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digital units for whatever underlying
asset
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but that we can optimize its use, we can
incentivize certain behaviors.
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Investment in tokenized real estate
represents one of the most recent
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advancements in the property industry.
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Tokenization enables houses and
apartments to be divided and sold in
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smaller units.
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Small programs act like a bridge between
the property and an online trading
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platform. Hence, tokens create a digital
representation of a property
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facilitating its digital transfer many
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potential investors are either unwilling
to enter this market on a large scale
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or unable to do so due to factors such
as lack of equity or difficulties in
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obtaining debt financing The concept of
tokenization offers a significant
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advantage by enabling the smallest unit
of investment to be acquired at a much
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lower threshold.
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For instance, a flat owner could split a
property worth 100 ,000 Euro into 1
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,000 tokens.
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Each token would be valued at 100 Euros,
representing a small portion of the
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flat.
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Investors would then hold the rights to
a particular percentage of rental income
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with each token.
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After deducting costs like property tax,
repairs and insurance, investors stand
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to profit as the apartment increases in
value over time and rental income grows.
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Another benefit of tokenization is the
ability to convert the individual tokens
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anytime, 24x7 via apps or trading
platforms.
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Furthermore, the need to visit a notary
and have the property or share notarized
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before purchasing is eliminated.
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Purchasers can efficiently manage their
tokens through a mobile wallet
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application. The app's features may vary
depending on its design, allowing users
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to track their incoming payments,
monitor token value fluctuations via
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displays, and sell tokens through their
smartphones.
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Real estate tokens follow similar
regulations to securities and do not
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physical ownership of the underlying
property.
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Essentially, a real estate token
functions as a loan that the provider
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for property financing.
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The loan's interest is covered by the
rental income, which poses a risk of
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The possibility of rent defaults, and in
extreme cases, the provider's
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insolvency, increases this risk as
compared to investing through a property
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fund, which is usually diversified
across many properties.
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In Germany, such a scenario isn't yet to
be realized due to the absence of a
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regulatory framework that facilitates
the scrutinization of property rights
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associated with land and real estate.
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The process of purchasing a property is
still associated with significant
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bureaucracy, lengthy procedures, and
subsequent high costs.
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Digital art projects were the first to
bring tokenization to public attention.
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With this assistance of non -fungible
tokens, digital art pieces are typically
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secured as a whole in the blockchain.
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In March 2021, American artist Beeple
sold a digital collage comprising 5 ,000
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individual images for an extraordinary
$69 .35 million at an auction.
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A single tweet by Jack Dorsey, founder
of Twitter, was purchased by a fan for
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impressive sum of 2 .9 million US
dollars.
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My name is Everfresh, also known as
Sebastian Pfeiffer, so that's my real
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We are not going to see anything like
we've seen in 2021, so that ship has
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sailed. My hope actually is that...
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The market will reach a more mature
state where price levels are reasonable
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and artists can actually live off their
art sales in that
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digital space.
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It's never going to be everyone, that's
clear.
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You know, that's not how it works.
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So it's always just going to be a few
that will be able to make a living out
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it. If you look at the sheer number, the
people collecting crypto is growing and
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growing and growing.
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My name is Sergio Roberto Schmolt.
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I'm the founder and CEO of Magal. Magal
stands for Meta Art Gallery.
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There is, of course, the 2021 January
bubble where you had a crypto art NFT
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market explosion with 14 ,000%.
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If you have such a high increase, you
fall down very, very briefly.
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So what we are doing right now, we are
trying to get a new base level. And from
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that level, we can progress together
with crypto, together with Bitcoin,
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together with everything that is behind
it.
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allowing for international investment in
the art industry.
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Twitter is the main platform to promote
your stuff in the NFT world.
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You can also use other social media
platforms, but Twitter is by far the one
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with the most impact.
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I reach my audience mainly through
Twitter. Of course, I promote my work on
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other social media platforms as well.
But I've not noticed any correlation
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directly to sales through other
platforms than Twitter.
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I would say the biggest trend right now
is the thing that we are doing, coming
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from the metaverse and coming into in
real life. So you can only feel crypto
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if you can touch it, if you can see it,
like here on our screen.
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And this is the step that a gallerist
needs to do.
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With the help of non -fungible tokens,
digital works of art are usually
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scrutinized as a whole in the
blockchain.
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Even if an artist generates multiple
NFTs of the exact same image, each one
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a unique identity on the blockchain.
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And that means these tokens are
essentially unique.
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We can illustrate this concept by
considering a one -euro coin.
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When we hold this coin in our hand, we
do not distinguish it from any other one
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-euro coin as they have identical
purchasing power.
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Such coins are referred to as fungible.
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The same principle applies to securities
such as BMW shares.
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We do not differentiate between
individual shares as they are fungible.
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The BMW share represents identical
voting rights and values.
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Non -fungible tokens, NFTs, can be
likened to artworks such as owning a
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Picasso painting or the Mona Lisa.
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While forgeries may exist, the genuine
Mona Lisa is one -of -a -kind and non
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-fungible with no other exact copies.
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Art also employs the concept of limited
edition prints where a photo may have,
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for instance, only 100 copies, each with
a unique number.
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These numbered prints belong to a
specific series, although numerous
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be used.
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The idea is for each token to be
exclusively identified, but on the other
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fungible security tokens are identical
and can be exchanged for each other.
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It's not because you call something an
NFT that it won't be under MICA. So they
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really are mentioning that if something
is issued in a large series, it's an
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indicator of defungibility.
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So then it doesn't necessarily mean it
will be an NFT.
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But again, what is a large series? We
don't know yet. So we hope we'll have
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clarification down the road. But those
little things, we can play with words
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don't know, especially that the
technology evolves.
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so quickly most nft sales are actually
auctions they're not auctions in a
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classical sense uh where there's you
know like a guy with a hammer but it it
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just um you usually put your your pr
your piece on a platform uh with a with
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reserve and once the reserve is met um
then there's like uh you can define that
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how long the auction goes but usually
it's like a 24 -hour auction
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And then the timer starts, and it runs
for 24 hours, and then it depends if
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other people put in their bids as well,
if the price goes up or not.
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Most platforms take between 5 % and 15%.
Some also take
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20%. Most take between 5 % and 15%. For
artists themselves,
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tokenization could also be an exciting
vehicle for the sale of their works.
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Theoretically, the artists can even
offer themselves to investors as an
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investment.
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If their value increases, investors will
benefit.
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On the other hand, the artists generate
a regular additional income.
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The art market remains considerably
unclear, necessitating a thorough
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of the players, the influencing factors,
the dynamics of the market in order to
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be competitive when buying works of art.
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Our collection of works from the top 100
artists is usually unavailable
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at local galleries.
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but it's sourced from the leading
international galleries without access.
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Artworks become either unobtainable or
extremely expensive due to multiple
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flows, each resulting in price
increases.
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Fractional ownership of an asset is
represented in the field of art via so
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-called art security tokens or AACs.
These are digital assets that correspond
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a part of a work of art.
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Previously,
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this market was exclusive to the super
-rich due to the exorbitant prices of
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art. Prices are often in the millions,
which food can afford.
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But our trade is changing that. We
possess a meticulous network of art
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who identify appealing works on your
behalf.
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The entire process involves a complex
data analysis procedure.
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the relevant information, as each
artwork is assigned a single digital
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which comes in the form of a security
token.
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The value of one token corresponds to
one euro of the artwork's view value.
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In essence, this is a fully regulated
digital security as per the new
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Securities Act.
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This allows us to treat the token and
its securities similarly to other
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conventional securities, ultimately
facilitating their integration into the
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financial industry's infrastructure.
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Thanks to their assistance Anyone can
now invest in works of art that would
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typically be excluded from an average
investor's portfolio under normal
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circumstances.
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You can invest in these works of art
indirectly with as little as 1 ,000
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by purchasing these tokens.
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This ensures that our enthusiasts with
smaller budgets can engage in
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art projects.
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Even the old masters can now be found on
the blockchain.
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Just recently, Pablo Picasso's
masterpiece, Fier Obere, was tokenized
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blockchain.
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A Ruach -based crypto bank is
responsible, which dismantled the oil
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into 4 ,000 of the art tokens and sold
them for 1 ,000 Swiss francs each.
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For this purpose, the tokens were in
turn converted into blockchain -based
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securities, which represent an
undisputed legal claim to the unique
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from 1964 in Switzerland.
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As an investor, you do not acquire a
piece of the artwork itself, but rather
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scrutinized claim to participate in its
performance.
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We made a conscious choice to avoid
fractional ownership and instead offer a
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security as it aligns with a traditional
investment product and can seamlessly
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integrate into the financial system.
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When works are traded on a secondary
market, often after a prior purchase,
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artists typically do not participate
further.
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However, we aim to expand this model in
the long term by exploring the potential
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of structuring tokens in smart
contracts.
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Currently, the concept remains
uncertain.
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This would allow the artists to maintain
a permanent stake in the value
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development of their artwork to a
percentage of ownership.
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I see a very bright future when I look
at my kids, the things they collect,
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Fortnite skins or some digital weapon
for a game.
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This kind of collection feeling is
parallel to crypto art collection.
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So people will not hang a Picasso.
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in oil painting on their wall my kids
will not do it they will collect other
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and this may be the art that they are
collecting funding
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for major art galleries museums
collections and artwork storage
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also benefit from tokenization in the
near future because they invest huge
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in the protection of their artworks
theft vandalism preventing this cost
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money that museums don't have.
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The entrance fees and funding pots are
often not enough to expand the
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collections.
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Tokenizations could help them gain this
liquidity. It could make the collection
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or a selected part of it available to
investors who make a profit from an
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increase in the value of the artworks.
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A stock is a security issue by a
company.
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Depending on the type of share, this can
be a claim to a portion of the profits,
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dividends, or a say.
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Companies issue shares to raise
additional funds for their business's
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development.
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But despite digitalization, trading in
shares remains inefficient in many
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places.
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If you want to invest in stocks, you
have to buy a whole share.
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However, the shares of large companies
often cost over $1 ,000.
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This limits the circle of those who can
afford it.
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And even if you secure a fraction of the
large companies, this automatically
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eliminates the possibility of
diversifying your portfolio by investing
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multiple stocks.
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My name is Philip Piper. I'm the founder
of Swarm.
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We are a tokenization platform that does
both primary issuance as well as
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secondary trading.
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In the past two years, there's been
obviously a very high degree of focus on
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crypto assets. So basically, you know,
Bitcoin and derivatives of Bitcoin as
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well as sort of other native assets that
were on sort of the blockchain like
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Ethereum.
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But it's been shown, obviously, that
there's a very high degree of
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amongst all these assets.
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So if the market goes up, everything
goes up. If the market goes down and
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crashes down, everything goes down.
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So in that world, there is a need to
actually have something called real
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assets replicated onto chain, which
actually derive the value of what they
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from the underlying asset that is
connected with that kind of digital
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So a good example of that is basically a
stablecoin.
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Tokenization makes it possible to buy
fractional shares of these large
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companies. Instead of buying an entire
share, you can only buy a portion of a
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share and thus generate a proportionate
return.
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This transformation is already reshaping
global investment.
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BlackRock, the world's largest asset
manager, has taken its first steps by
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launching Bitcoin and tokenized ETFs.
And today the fixed income markets are
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totally imbued.
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By ETFs. And so at BlackRock, when we
bought BGI, we had $290 billion of ETFs.
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Today we have $3 .5 trillion.
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And then this week alone, just
yesterday, we launched the
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iShares Bitcoin ETF.
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And so I would say to you, if we could
ETF a Bitcoin, imagine what we could do
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with all financial instruments.
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Tokenization is used to create digital
images of securities.
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that have already been issued.
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This is referred to as a token
derivative.
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These are scrutinized in the blockchain
and thus embedded in a more flexible
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infrastructure. So in principle, you get
a normal stock, but with the advantage
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of cryptocurrency.
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The price of the tokenized share is
always equal to the share price of the
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issuing company.
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Not everything recorded on -chain
represents full ownership.
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Some tokens are only wrappers.
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price exposure without voting or
dividend rights.
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you know, equity from a company. If the
value of the deposited share doubles,
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the value of the tokenized share also
doubles.
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The price action is analyzed in a
similar way to stocks, not like
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cryptocurrencies.
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So stablecoin is effectively a token
that represents maybe a dollar. So one
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token equals one dollar. You should
actually have the ability to put
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that has value, anything that has some
kind of substance.
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onto the blockchain, into the trading
environments, into the ability to
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fractionalize and mobilize these assets,
there's a very large realm of different
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asset qualities that you can gain by
putting them as a digital asset onto the
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chain. So if you have one Apple stock
that is represented in one token, well,
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you can buy a cent of an Apple stock if
you want to, right?
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That you cannot do in the traditional
market.
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Tokenization significantly reduces the
barriers to entry into the new financial
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market. The vast majority of all
companies worldwide are currently
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companies. The derivative product that
probably mimics some of that, but it's
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not the degree of flexibility.
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The second thing is that you actually
have an immediate settlement.
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So if I go on to some kind of exchange,
some kind of decentralized exchange,
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some kind of trading venue, and you and
I agree on a price,
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Actually, by executing on the
blockchain, immediately the transfer of
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ownership to you has been executed.
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Normally in the financial markets, that
takes two to three days to settle. From
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a regular player perspective, the United
States is also in a unique position
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because of the dollar.
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So the dollar is...
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They famously once said that the dollar
is the United States currency, but
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everyone else's problem.
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But really, I don't fully buy that
argument. I think that the dollar is
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United States' problem now because you
have jurisdictions in other parts of the
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world that are essentially creating
regulation for digital U .S. dollars in
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future. And none of this is coming from
the U .S. yet.
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So, you know, regulating stable coins is
one of the lower hanging fruit that
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they could...
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that they could tackle in terms of, you
know, reasserting this position of
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dollar hegemony. And this is not a
position that Europe has to the same
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I mean, you know, the U .S. dollar still
makes up somewhere around like 60 % of
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global reserve. The United States
political system is also, by design, an
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invitation to struggle.
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It has been since the Declaration of
Independence.
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So you always have to, when you're
looking at the U .S., you always have to
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think of this.
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The tokenized share starts to build a
bridge between traditional stock
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such as Extra or the Frankfurt Stock
Exchange, and a crypto exchange, such as
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Binance. Institutional adoption now is a
recognizable name.
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Global asset managers are already
entering the tokenized economy.
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Our customers are the largest asset
managers in the world, like BlackRock
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Apollo and Hamilton Lane, KKR, etc.
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And that gives us a competitive
advantage that now that there's further
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regulatory clarity, we'll...
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you know probably ensure that we
continue leading the industry as we've
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doing it for the last few years
depending on the network and crypto
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token transactions can be processed in a
matter of minutes if you have
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the ability to trade on a 24 7 basis
without any kind of stoppage of the
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it's a it's a it's a benefit it actually
means real money for people if you can
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attach governance processes to these
technical things it is a benefit because
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you have a much more real -time
interaction with the way that the asset
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below can actually transact.
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But even more so if you actually then
have the confidence, which means that
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have some data that is connected with
the token that points to where it
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goes and what it represents and the live
data reporting what it actually has in
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terms of values, then suddenly you're
not reliant on a quarterly report, but
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have a real -time view on it.
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As smart contracts perform, buy and sell
orders of tokens on a blockchain,
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there's no longer need to rely on a
broker or banker as an intermediary.
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So I would say that broadly those would
be some of the aspects where
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tokenization will transform the
financial industry.
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Whether or not you buy that there will
be a complete removal of intermediaries,
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it will certainly limit the role of
intermediaries or diminish the frequency
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intermediaries in certain financial
transactions.
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In the world of tokenization, in the
end, it all represents something that
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some kind of resemblance in real life.
So there's a trust element that needs to
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be created, which also means that if the
token gets lost, it really depends on
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how you set it up, you can actually sort
of then make sure that it's either
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respecting who the real owner is, or
basically gets redistributed back to the
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original owner.
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It's just an efficiency technology.
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The sale the company shares is
bureaucratic, takes a long time, and
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many actors.
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We need to unite the technical
possibilities in this traditional world.
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latter insists on maintaining the status
quo as it has proven stable over the
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last few decades.
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There are stakeholders who profit from
this naturally, and conversely, the DEFI
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and crypto community advocates for self
-determination in every aspect.
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However, the reality likely lies
somewhere between these extremes and we
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construct accordingly.
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Investors do not have access to these
companies.
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Investments in these companies are
mainly made by financial institutions in
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form of expensive loans or equity funds.
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The market, therefore, has a minimal
liquidity.
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Yes, I think it will affect more the B2B
space because for us as end users, we
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are interested in usability and, of
course, in trust.
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but we're not necessarily interested if
a banking or fintech app is using
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technology A or technology B, especially
if we talk about mass adoption.
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Then this should not play a role.
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It should be a well -performing app.
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When investing, it is almost always for
the long term. If the company's
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management takes a different direction,
investors cannot simply get out.
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They then try to influence the
management of the company. The process
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sluggish. Just to think of it as...
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well, it's an open system and therefore
everyone has access, that's also not
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entirely true. It means that depending
how you set up the system...
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And that very much depends on what asset
it represents.
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You have restrictions that you
artificially have to build into the
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only a certain type of customer can buy
into those specific asset tokens, or
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that there's only a certain behavior
that is allowed to be executed with the
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token. So there's very much a technology
-enforced restriction. But what it
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gives you is actually a much higher
degree of confidence from a regulatory
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process as well, that because it's code,
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And because it's actually enforcing what
the code is being told to do, that, you
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know, you cannot really bypass it.
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We expect tokenization and blockchain
technology to play a role to design more
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efficient and streamlined processes.
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So that's step number one. Then we will
potentially tokenize and also use
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blockchain technology to finance in
different ways and to tokenize different
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assets. So that's, let's say, a growth
aspect.
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depending on regulation but also on
let's say strategic decisions some fully
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automated neo blockchain banks or neo
blockchain players on the market we can
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expect that new use cases and a whole
new set of process designs will see the
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day of light so this means a totally new
category targeting new use cases that
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are not right there available
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Discussions regarding the energy
industry's future increasingly center
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energy tokenization.
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Renewable energies have grown
increasingly popular in our current era.
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Wind and solar parks continue to attract
a growing number of investors.
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My name is Eko. I am CEO of Realport.
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Decentralization of energy is already
there, and it's only going to
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I think, the past years.
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considering the Ukraine war and
considering the drive of governments
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and our society to become more
independent has shown an incredible boom
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rooftop solar and decentralized energy.
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So as not only the companies and supply
chains grow more mature, it's going to
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be even easier for tenants of houses and
for owners of houses in order to,
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number one, put solar into the roof.
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And then it's a matter of connecting
that amongst the various decentralized
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hubs, meaning from one roof to another,
and into the grid in a smart way. And I
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do think that technology can play a
fantastic.
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The energy sector's intricate network is
hindered by outdated infrastructure and
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numerous inefficient processes.
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Utilizing blockchain can enhance the
efficiency of the energy supply.
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And efficiency means saving costs.
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Saving costs means that you can bring in
smaller projects, and smaller projects
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also means that you can bring in smaller
investors. The biggest advantage is for
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the smaller guys, making it more
efficient, making access more efficient,
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also enabling smaller wind farms in
order to participate within the energy
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economy.
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Thanks to its decentralized
architecture, it can document and supply
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multiple energy producers
simultaneously.
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which is a much more complex process
with a centralized system.
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In such systems, every producer has to
first send their data to a central
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location for bundling and processing.
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In a decentralized blockchain network,
anyone can feed the data directly.
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By means of tokenization, a digital copy
of each physical energy unit can be
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stored on a blockchain.
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This automation of administrative
processes can significantly reduce the
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energy.
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You know, the way we see it, they're two
different forms. One form is sharing
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the economic performance out of an
energy project or out of a renewable
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project. That means a generator wants to
set up a wind farm and needs investors,
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right? And will promise essentially the
proceeds of this wind farm to be shared
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amongst the investors.
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So now we can...
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tokenize essentially the future proceeds
of this project with multiple
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investors. So that's one part.
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And the much more difficult part is how
do we certify renewable energy through
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national agencies and make it fungible
or tradable in a sense.
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Blockchain technology allows for the
tracing of energy from the source to the
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end consumer.
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Certificates can be issued if required
for proof of purchase.
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This can be a crucial factor,
particularly considering the stringent
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for renewable energy.
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Currently, it is difficult to ascertain
whether the energy derives from wind,
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solar or another source.
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A third party is required to certify the
origin and these certificates may be
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traded. Greenwashing is facilitated.
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legislative and also regulatory aspects
around that. Number one is the EU
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taxonomy, which nowadays tells us what
is green, what is not green. So that
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gives guidance to investors and also to
the issuers of financial products.
434
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,360
And number two, there is also a self
-disclosure regulation called SFDR.
435
00:31:43,620 --> 00:31:48,720
So every publisher or every issuer of
financial products will need to self
436
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,800
-assess themselves, whether they are
highly sustainable article 9 or not
437
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:59,160
sustainable basically article 7 and that
will give consumers tremendous guidance
438
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,480
as to what is green what is not green so
it means the leeway to kind of move
439
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:09,740
around and kind of greenwash has
becoming a whole lot smaller tokenized
440
00:32:09,740 --> 00:32:14,320
certificates can be produced by the
supplier providing an indisputable
441
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,220
the energy generated these certificates
are securely stored in the blockchain
442
00:32:18,750 --> 00:32:25,010
ensuring that the data cannot be altered
governance token
443
00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:30,730
is a specific type of token issued by
certain companies often tech companies
444
00:32:30,730 --> 00:32:35,750
so -called decentralized autonomous
organizations the governance token
445
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:39,970
have a certain rights from a technical
point of view they're often so -called
446
00:32:39,970 --> 00:32:45,570
erc20 tokens which means that they
follow the standard which is also used
447
00:32:45,570 --> 00:32:49,820
many other types tokens But the rights
that the owner of this governance token
448
00:32:49,820 --> 00:32:52,760
has may be different from security
tokens, for example.
449
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,440
The governance token often scrutinizes
voting rights, i .e., you own the
450
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,820
governance tokens, and they are issued
by companies.
451
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,280
And if the company wants to change
something, if it wants to implement
452
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:09,200
changes, for example, then I have the
right to vote, if I hold pieces of these
453
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,200
governance tokens.
454
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,440
This means that not only do I have a
monetary incentive to hold this token
455
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,380
maybe hope for a future profit, but I
also have a right of co -determination
456
00:33:20,380 --> 00:33:24,720
I can't get involved in communities and
my voice is heard based on the number of
457
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:25,720
tokens I hold.
458
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:34,820
Now, the big challenge here lies, how do
consumers, be it a business consumer or
459
00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:41,330
even a regular retail consumer, buy into
certificated or into certified
460
00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:42,570
renewable energy sources.
461
00:33:42,930 --> 00:33:45,550
And that's where blockchain can provide
a huge benefit.
462
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:50,770
And the vision is that eventually you'll
be able to match certificates at the
463
00:33:50,770 --> 00:33:54,510
time of production with consumption at
the time when you really need it.
464
00:33:57,410 --> 00:34:01,510
Tokenization makes wind farms or other
renewable energy sources much more
465
00:34:01,510 --> 00:34:02,630
accessible to investors.
466
00:34:03,610 --> 00:34:07,670
Investing in a solar park via token will
be an established procedure in the near
467
00:34:07,670 --> 00:34:11,929
future. The same applies to the purchase
of electricity from various energy
468
00:34:11,929 --> 00:34:12,929
sources.
469
00:34:15,090 --> 00:34:19,889
In the field of solar energy, the first
energy suppliers have already tokenized
470
00:34:19,889 --> 00:34:20,748
their systems.
471
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:25,250
In the case of wind turbines, too, there
are platforms that bring operators of
472
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:28,010
the turbines together with companies and
private individuals.
473
00:34:31,170 --> 00:34:35,170
Through tokenization, the owners of the
tokens become co -owners of a wind
474
00:34:35,170 --> 00:34:39,280
turbine. By selling the electricity,
they generate a proportionate return.
475
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,360
But the operators of the plants also
benefit.
476
00:34:42,739 --> 00:34:47,280
For them, tokenization is another way to
directly collect the capital of the
477
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,540
investment. This gives you a reach and
access to high liquidity.
478
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,520
So far, however, energy has mainly been
managed centrally. There's still a long
479
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,080
way to go before new technology becomes
established.
480
00:35:01,740 --> 00:35:04,660
The next step is now connecting
neighborhoods.
481
00:35:05,550 --> 00:35:11,950
The same way as larger projects of
renewable energies are now participating
482
00:35:11,950 --> 00:35:17,230
entire communities in exchange for the
permission of erecting a solar farm or a
483
00:35:17,230 --> 00:35:22,430
wind farm into participating into that,
right, into the consumption of the
484
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:23,650
energy which is being produced.
485
00:35:23,970 --> 00:35:29,810
And that will also create communities
which will be able to dispatch and to
486
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:32,170
trade energy amongst themselves.
487
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:35,060
and amongst multiple communities.
488
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,940
So yes, it is on the way. Difficult to
say really, right? I think Germany is
489
00:35:39,940 --> 00:35:46,700
probably the largest in Europe, a
rooftop solar market in that respect,
490
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:48,080
most installations.
491
00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:51,020
But you see this trend everywhere.
492
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:57,180
You see France has very, very strong
regulation and the UK and Italy as well.
493
00:35:57,860 --> 00:36:01,020
I think you must see it as a pan
-European move.
494
00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:08,040
The calls for sustainability, human
rights, or animal welfare have been
495
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,120
louder for years.
496
00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:19,880
Society is increasingly demanding
products whose origins can be
497
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,760
verified. Supply chain tokenization
represents a credible future of product
498
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,680
transparency. The technology will be
exciting in view of the newly passed
499
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,880
Chain Due Diligence Act.
500
00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:38,570
It is intended to prove that human
rights and environmental due diligence
501
00:36:38,570 --> 00:36:40,550
obligations have not been violated.
502
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:57,270
Companies will be required to document
every step of the supply chain for
503
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:58,270
authorities and consumers.
504
00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:03,290
Sustainability should thus become
comprehensible, verifiable, and visible.
505
00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:08,850
Tokenization makes it possible to track
a product along the entire value chain.
506
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:13,650
Using a commercially available
smartphone, all relevant information
507
00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:16,010
product is collected and stored in a
token.
508
00:37:16,590 --> 00:37:19,230
Any kind of information can be stored
via an app.
509
00:37:19,450 --> 00:37:23,730
Every production step and every raw
material within the supply chain can be
510
00:37:23,730 --> 00:37:25,570
reliably retrieved at any time.
511
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,400
In this way, global supply chains can be
traced seamlessly.
512
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,280
While a supply chain based on blockchain
technology can ensure complete
513
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,680
documentation for this reporting,
artificial intelligence can help to
514
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,960
corresponding risk analysis.
515
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:49,160
For example, AI can analyze contracts
with suppliers for human rights and
516
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,160
environmental standards.
517
00:37:50,380 --> 00:37:54,540
If necessary, this enables the company
to quickly adapt the contractual
518
00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:55,680
arrangement with the supplier.
519
00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:00,640
In agriculture, tokenization allows
farmers to tokenize their products.
520
00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:04,310
This allows international investors to
invest in regional agricultural
521
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:08,390
commodities. In the healthcare sector,
the tokenization of medical institutions
522
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:12,290
help in the use of sensitive data of
patients and healthcare organizations.
523
00:38:13,070 --> 00:38:17,610
The logistics industry is also currently
working on a concept of tokenization.
524
00:38:17,890 --> 00:38:22,590
Here, the bill of lading is to be
transferred to the blockchain and thus
525
00:38:22,590 --> 00:38:23,590
problem of administration.
526
00:38:24,940 --> 00:38:30,280
So that means that we can expect that if
tokenization is becoming part of, let's
527
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,000
say, the underlying process setup for
financial transactions, that the total
528
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,640
market size will be bigger than today's
financial asset market volume.
529
00:38:40,860 --> 00:38:44,000
But, of course, this will not happen
overnight. It will happen in different
530
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:49,240
steps, depending on regulation, on
innovation, and on general acceptance.
531
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:52,220
need democratic discussions about
things. We need governments.
532
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,720
So it could take anything between 5 and
20 years and it will have an end step.
533
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,500
But the addressable market size will
become bigger.
534
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,940
Despite the many benefits and its
increasing prevalence, blockchain -based
535
00:39:05,940 --> 00:39:08,120
tokenization also has its limitations.
536
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:16,220
A disadvantage that still exists with
tokens in general today is the
537
00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:17,560
of the underlying blockchain.
538
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,200
If you wanted to put the entire security
businesses that exist worldwide on a
539
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,480
blockchain today in order to tokenize
all securities, then the blockchains
540
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,880
not be able to map the transaction
volume that is processed there.
541
00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:37,160
This means that the system would simply
be overloaded and overwhelmed, and this
542
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,860
is probably one of the main
disadvantages of tokens.
543
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:44,480
So they're not included in the technical
standard at all, but rather on the
544
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,400
underlying platforms, namely the
blockchains on which these tokens exist.
545
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:54,860
There's a risk of hackers accessing and
stealing the digital assets.
546
00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:58,360
Blockchain technology itself is
considered to be very secure.
547
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,340
Despite this, there have been cases of
successful hacker attacks on crypto
548
00:40:03,340 --> 00:40:05,780
exchanges and other blockchain -based
systems.
549
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,900
As a rule, the attackers did not gain
access via the blockchain itself, but
550
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:12,840
the points where the blockchain is
connected.
551
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,760
There is therefore a need to develop a
comprehensive and reliable cybercrime
552
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:18,760
protection system.
553
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,680
I think Mika is a great first step.
554
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:32,100
If you can think of a global regulatory
waterfall that trickles down, I would
555
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:35,740
say that Europe is kind of sitting at
the top, at the crest of this waterfall.
556
00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:40,700
Banks
557
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:48,820
have
558
00:40:48,820 --> 00:40:50,660
traditionally acted as asset managers.
559
00:40:51,290 --> 00:40:55,110
They aim to broaden their range of
service and provide customers with the
560
00:40:55,110 --> 00:40:56,630
expensive possible choice.
561
00:40:57,450 --> 00:41:01,470
As a result, they have begun to
investigate the tokenization of assets.
562
00:41:01,710 --> 00:41:02,710
Is this the end of mutual funds?
563
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:09,750
I think, well, a lot of people, it's
just a wrapper. It's not the end of it,
564
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:15,970
I would say the dominant form of
bringing products going forward will be
565
00:41:15,970 --> 00:41:17,650
form of ETFs.
566
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:22,870
For Fink, tokenization is not a
disruption that destroys the old world.
567
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:27,030
next natural layer of it. A system where
traditional and digital finance merge
568
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:28,430
into one continuous structure.
569
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:33,430
It's possible that in the future, banks
may oversee the issuance and trading of
570
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:34,430
tokenized assets.
571
00:41:38,770 --> 00:41:42,130
Fintech has become one of the fastest
growing industries in recent times.
572
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,240
So one area where there is currently a
lot of innovation in tokens is the so
573
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:53,460
-called payment processing.
574
00:41:53,740 --> 00:41:58,840
You can also take the security tokens as
an example. A bond, for example, pays a
575
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,520
regular coupon, perhaps a certain
interest rate once a year, to those who
576
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:04,348
that bond.
577
00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:08,450
You can equip the token with so much
information that it knows the amount of
578
00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:12,470
interest coupon and automatically
collects the interest amount from the
579
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:15,310
and then automatically distribute it to
investors.
580
00:42:16,510 --> 00:42:20,450
In the traditional world, in the banking
world, there is the so -called paying
581
00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:25,270
agent. So when a company issues a bond,
there is a bank that is designated as
582
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:29,650
the paying agent and then ensures that
the issuer pays its interest on time and
583
00:42:29,650 --> 00:42:30,950
distributes it to the investors.
584
00:42:31,250 --> 00:42:33,750
And this can be automated by program
code.
585
00:42:34,140 --> 00:42:38,580
also by so -called smart contracts, and
this information can be given to the
586
00:42:38,580 --> 00:42:39,580
token.
587
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:46,060
Talking about the ecological impact of
blockchains, I think, is a big deal.
588
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:50,780
But we as an industry have to ask
ourselves what's right and wrong, right?
589
00:42:50,780 --> 00:42:54,140
of people from looking at it from the
outside then think that all that energy
590
00:42:54,140 --> 00:42:58,140
the same energy mix as the energy that
goes into our daily consumption.
591
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,420
And as much as that was the case, it's
changed dramatically.
592
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:08,060
So there's a lot of regenerative
energies that have been started to be
593
00:43:08,060 --> 00:43:12,380
hydro energy, wind energy, but also
solar energy, that basically go into
594
00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:19,300
node computations. And this is energy
that never has been used in a consumer's
595
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:23,700
perspective. So it's not competing
against the energy that you and I use in
596
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:24,618
daily lives.
597
00:43:24,620 --> 00:43:29,020
more than 60 right now is already
regenerative energy that the bitcoin
598
00:43:29,020 --> 00:43:35,340
actually uses and the rest is still
something to work on in particular
599
00:43:35,340 --> 00:43:39,860
financing by tokens has the chance to
drastically change the global economy in
600
00:43:39,860 --> 00:43:44,580
the future companies will be able to map
real assets online and finance them in
601
00:43:44,580 --> 00:43:48,880
a decentralized manner existing
financial services are being replaced by
602
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:49,920
decentralized solutions
603
00:43:51,020 --> 00:43:57,000
And I think that in the future, what
we're likely going to see is on the side
604
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,020
payments and crypto and, you know, we'll
have different digital currency areas.
605
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:07,100
So you could have stable coins and
commercial bank money tokens and
606
00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:10,480
kinds of PDDCs. And these will all exist
in cash.
607
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,320
So all exist in some, you know, as
Germans say, in some mix together.
608
00:44:15,980 --> 00:44:18,920
And I don't think that one will
necessarily crowd out the other.
609
00:44:19,470 --> 00:44:25,690
On the other hand, I also believe that a
lot of why we see an interest in
610
00:44:25,690 --> 00:44:31,230
crypto, and I think globally, about like
23 % of people globally hold crypto. In
611
00:44:31,230 --> 00:44:33,990
Europe, I think the average is around
17. So we're still on the lower side
612
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:35,430
compared to the global average, but it's
growing.
613
00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:38,770
And I think it's confidence, right? So
if people don't have confidence in the
614
00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:40,230
system, they look for alternatives.
615
00:44:40,890 --> 00:44:44,930
And I think that the challenge from a
political perspective for the
616
00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:49,590
of the nation states is how do we
instill confidence in our systems in an
617
00:44:49,590 --> 00:44:50,448
digital transformation?
618
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:51,750
And there's no easy answer to that
question.
619
00:44:52,590 --> 00:44:56,250
And I think that at the same time, it
might be a little naive to assume that
620
00:44:56,250 --> 00:45:01,330
crypto can solve all of the world's
problems. So I would say that we need
621
00:45:01,330 --> 00:45:04,790
sort of tempered optimism, right, or
tailored optimism.
622
00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:11,850
There is currently still a lack of
standardization of the network. In
623
00:45:12,090 --> 00:45:16,270
legal standards must be developed to
provide companies and investors alike
624
00:45:16,270 --> 00:45:17,530
clarity and thus security.
625
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:22,550
We can already see the effects on our
society today. The technology has
626
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:24,350
arrived in the here and now.
627
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,800
At the edge of the world, in a country
with more sheep than people, one of the
628
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,660
most powerful men in Silicon Valley
built an escape hatch.
629
00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:10,860
Not a vacation home, not a tax shelter,
a contingency plan.
630
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:19,540
In 2011, a billionaire quietly secured
citizenship in New Zealand after
631
00:47:19,540 --> 00:47:21,020
just days in the country.
632
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,060
A legal backdoor.
633
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:25,310
a geopolitical lifeboat.
634
00:47:25,950 --> 00:47:31,570
Deep in the rugged terrain of New
Zealand's South Island, Peter Thiel owns
635
00:47:31,570 --> 00:47:37,250
vast private estate, remote, secluded,
and far from the centres of power.
636
00:47:38,350 --> 00:47:43,870
While most billionaires buy yachts or
private islands, Thiel secures something
637
00:47:43,870 --> 00:47:50,790
more strategic, New Zealand citizenship,
and a vast estate in one of the most
638
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:52,650
remote democracies on Earth.
639
00:47:53,710 --> 00:47:57,250
The purchase price for this geopolitical
insurance policy?
640
00:47:57,890 --> 00:48:04,570
In 2011, Thiel obtained New Zealand
citizenship after spending just 12 days
641
00:48:04,570 --> 00:48:09,710
in the country over the previous two
years, a process that normally requires
642
00:48:09,710 --> 00:48:11,090
years of residency.
643
00:48:13,210 --> 00:48:16,790
The investment that secured this
exceptional pathway?
644
00:48:17,410 --> 00:48:22,190
Approximately $7 million in local assets
and business investments.
645
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:30,760
The centrepiece, a 477 -acre estate near
Lake Wanaka, purchased
646
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,500
for 13 .5 million New Zealand dollars,
about 10 million US dollars.
647
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:44,080
When New Zealand media exposed the deal
in 2017, it sparked a national scandal.
648
00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:48,260
Hi, Benedict. Nice to talk to you again.
So when we last spoke, you told us that
649
00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:52,400
Peter Thiel was granted citizenship
after having only visited New Zealand
650
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:58,480
times for an unknown number of days
because the documents had that
651
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,740
redacted, right?
652
00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:02,740
Politicians called it citizenship for
sale.
653
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,780
Opposition leaders demanded
investigations.
654
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,740
But Thiel had already achieved his
objective.
655
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:16,360
a legal escape hatch in the world's most
politically stable democracy, a
656
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,120
geopolitical insurance policy that money
can buy.
657
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:27,560
Why would a man who helped build the
digital future prepare for the collapse
658
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:28,560
the physical one?
659
00:49:29,020 --> 00:49:32,200
What does he see that others don't?
660
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:43,550
The slogan of the Antichrist is peace
and safety, which is nothing wrong with
661
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:47,450
peace and safety, but you have to sort
of imagine that it resonates very
662
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:51,610
differently in a world where the stakes
are so absolute, where the stakes are so
663
00:49:51,610 --> 00:49:58,570
extreme, where the alternative to peace
and safety is Armageddon
664
00:49:58,570 --> 00:50:00,070
and the destruction of all things.
665
00:50:01,010 --> 00:50:04,750
He is one of the most polarizing figures
in Silicon Valley.
666
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:11,200
To some, a visionary genius who saw the
future early. To others, the shadow
667
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:16,540
financier of movements and candidates
who challenge liberal democratic norms.
668
00:50:17,580 --> 00:50:20,540
This is not fear. This is strategy.
669
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:26,460
For decades, Peter Thiel has made the
same bet over and over again.
670
00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:29,120
Bet against consensus.
671
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:31,240
Bet against the crowd.
672
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,360
Bet against the system itself.
673
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:39,980
To understand why he built a fortress at
the end of the earth, we have to go
674
00:50:39,980 --> 00:50:45,720
back to a childhood of constant
displacement, to a chessboard where
675
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:51,160
meant nothing, to a company that tried
to replace money, and another that
676
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,460
learned to see everything.
677
00:50:54,940 --> 00:50:58,140
But the estate is more than a luxury
retreat.
678
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,160
It is a fortress designed for
civilizational uncertainty.
679
00:51:03,790 --> 00:51:09,690
Off -grid power systems, advanced
security infrastructure, multiple
680
00:51:09,690 --> 00:51:11,330
routes through the mountains.
681
00:51:11,650 --> 00:51:15,030
Not built for comfort, built for
continuity.
682
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:21,030
While the world debates progress, Peter
Thiel is preparing for a different
683
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:26,310
possibility. Not how to build the
future, how to survive it.
684
00:51:29,610 --> 00:51:32,130
The Architect of Dissidence
685
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:39,900
Total estimated value of field
contingency infrastructure, $20 to $30
686
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:46,920
Not for lifestyle, not for prestige, but
for the day the system he helped build
687
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,060
no longer holds.
688
00:51:48,860 --> 00:51:51,740
He didn't build this because he panics
easily.
689
00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:57,260
He built it because he has always
believed that the crowd is wrong, and
690
00:51:57,260 --> 00:52:00,840
future belongs to those willing to stand
apart from it.
691
00:52:01,610 --> 00:52:07,310
Every fortress begins as an idea, and
Peter Thiel has been building
692
00:52:07,310 --> 00:52:09,670
fortresses since he was a child.
693
00:52:15,930 --> 00:52:21,590
Before he was a billionaire, before he
funded political outsiders, before he
694
00:52:21,590 --> 00:52:26,930
built machines that could see
everything, he was a boy who never
695
00:52:26,930 --> 00:52:29,550
place long enough to believe the world
made sense.
696
00:52:30,670 --> 00:52:33,850
So he searched for a world where the
rules didn't change.
697
00:52:34,530 --> 00:52:36,790
He found it on a chessboard.
698
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:42,870
To understand Peter Thiel, you must
understand what it means to be a
699
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:43,870
outsider.
700
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:50,190
Born in Frankfurt, West Germany, Peter
Thiel spent part of his early childhood
701
00:52:50,190 --> 00:52:55,890
in South West Africa, now Namibia,
before growing up mainly in the United
702
00:52:55,890 --> 00:52:57,930
between Ohio and California.
703
00:52:59,470 --> 00:53:03,710
Before he was a teenager, he had already
experienced life on multiple
704
00:53:03,710 --> 00:53:08,050
continents, never staying long enough to
feel fully at home.
705
00:53:09,050 --> 00:53:10,930
He didn't have a hometown.
706
00:53:11,230 --> 00:53:18,070
He didn't have a tribe. He only had his
own mind, and in that isolation, he
707
00:53:18,070 --> 00:53:20,710
found a language that didn't require a
passport.
708
00:53:21,610 --> 00:53:22,610
Chess.
709
00:53:25,230 --> 00:53:29,630
For a child who changed consonants
before he could even make friends, the
710
00:53:29,630 --> 00:53:31,970
outside world was unpredictable noise.
711
00:53:32,490 --> 00:53:33,730
But the board?
712
00:53:33,970 --> 00:53:38,750
The board was the only place where the
rules didn't change depending on the
713
00:53:38,750 --> 00:53:39,750
country.
714
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:48,330
His father, an engineer trained in a
culture of precision and systems
715
00:53:48,690 --> 00:53:52,770
passed on a belief that reality could be
understood and optimized.
716
00:53:54,540 --> 00:53:58,720
While other children sought to fit in,
Peter sought the edge.
717
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,480
He learned that the consensus of the
crowd is usually a distraction.
718
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:09,940
If everyone is running toward the ball,
you run toward where the ball is going
719
00:54:09,940 --> 00:54:10,940
to be.
720
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,240
Chess is the ultimate antidote to
consensus.
721
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,340
In a crowd, you can hide behind a
popular opinion.
722
00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:22,360
In chess, you are either right or you
are dead.
723
00:54:23,050 --> 00:54:26,890
There is no middle ground, there is no
social construction of the board.
724
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:32,950
He became a serious tournament chess
player, drawn to a world where rules
725
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:37,110
fixed, outcomes were earned, and
consensus meant nothing.
726
00:54:39,090 --> 00:54:42,110
Mid -1980s, Stanford University.
727
00:54:43,310 --> 00:54:47,410
To the world, this was the peak of
American meritocracy.
728
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:51,750
To Thiel, it was a factory of
conformity.
729
00:54:52,590 --> 00:54:56,570
While his classmates were debating how
to change the world through activism,
730
00:54:57,190 --> 00:55:00,430
Thiel was wondering why they all sounded
exactly the same.
731
00:55:01,130 --> 00:55:06,330
He saw the multiculturalism movement not
as progress, but as a new form of
732
00:55:06,330 --> 00:55:07,330
fundamentalism.
733
00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:14,030
Stanford, in the late 1980s, was ground
zero for America's culture wars, battles
734
00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:18,450
over multiculturalism, speech, and the
purpose of higher education.
735
00:55:19,630 --> 00:55:21,430
Thiel believed the university
736
00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:27,220
was drifting toward ideological
conformity, that certain views were
737
00:55:27,220 --> 00:55:30,020
socially, if not formally, off -limits.
738
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,820
Here his investment methodology was
born.
739
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,660
Identify what the crowd considers sacred
and question it.
740
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:47,160
If everyone says identity diversity is
the most important thing, you argue that
741
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,840
intellectual diversity is the only thing
that matters.
742
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:57,240
He wasn't looking for friends. He was
looking to recruit others who, like him,
743
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,300
did not fear being hated.
744
00:55:59,980 --> 00:56:02,440
He founded the Stanford Review.
745
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:08,600
The paper quickly became one of the most
controversial publications on campus,
746
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:15,000
attacking what Fields saw as
intellectual monoculture and political
747
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:20,650
He saw that the smartest people in the
country were all competing for the same
748
00:56:20,650 --> 00:56:24,270
narrow prizes, thinking the same narrow
thoughts.
749
00:56:25,170 --> 00:56:29,850
He did what every top student does. He
followed the track.
750
00:56:30,590 --> 00:56:36,690
After Sanford Law, he secured a
prestigious federal appellate clerkship,
751
00:56:36,690 --> 00:56:40,030
kind of credential that opens every
elite door in America.
752
00:56:40,890 --> 00:56:46,130
After his clerkship, he joined Sullivan
& Cromwell in New York, one of the most
753
00:56:46,130 --> 00:56:48,130
elite law firms in the world.
754
00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:50,960
On paper, he had reached the summit.
755
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:54,660
Wall Street was his great negative
epiphany.
756
00:56:56,180 --> 00:57:01,000
But from his perspective, the brightest
graduates in America were locked in
757
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,520
brutal competition for careers they
didn't even seem to want.
758
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:11,460
It looked like Rene Girard's theory made
flesh, a system where everyone desired
759
00:57:11,460 --> 00:57:14,560
the same prize simply because everyone
else did.
760
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,720
Wall Street looked to Theo like a
laboratory of mimetic rivalry.
761
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:25,600
He realized that if he won that race,
his prize would be becoming the man in
762
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,640
office next door, a copy of a copy.
763
00:57:29,260 --> 00:57:34,340
The day he lost the opportunity to clerk
for the U .S. Supreme Court wasn't a
764
00:57:34,340 --> 00:57:36,560
defeat. It was his liberation.
765
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,520
He lasted less than a year.
766
00:57:40,380 --> 00:57:46,280
But Thiel's first venture after leaving
law was a humbling lesson in failure, a
767
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,980
lesson that would shape everything that
came after.
768
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:57,720
In 1996, he launched Thiel Capital
Management, a
769
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:02,320
hedge fund focused on currency trading
and macroeconomic derivatives.
770
00:58:03,060 --> 00:58:07,900
The strategy was to make big directional
bets on interest rates.
771
00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:11,880
inflation expectations, and foreign
exchange movements.
772
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:19,060
Initial capital raised $1 million,
mostly from Stanford Connections, who
773
00:58:19,060 --> 00:58:22,580
believed in the chess prodigy turned
lawyer turned financier.
774
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,720
The result was spectacular failure.
775
00:58:28,260 --> 00:58:32,140
Within the first year, the fund had lost
significant capital.
776
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:38,120
Industry estimates... suggests losses
between 30 and 40 % of the initial
777
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,120
investment pool.
778
00:58:39,820 --> 00:58:40,920
Investors fled.
779
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,480
Some demanded their remaining money back
immediately.
780
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,900
Thiel's reputation among finance
professionals, the people he had walked
781
00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:54,100
from at Sullivan and Cromwell, took a
serious hit.
782
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,700
He was no longer the Stanford genius.
783
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,860
He was just another failed trader.
784
00:59:01,780 --> 00:59:06,360
But... This failure taught him the most
important lesson of his career.
785
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:09,140
Competition is for losers.
786
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:15,340
Do not compete in crowded markets where
everyone is making the same trades with
787
00:59:15,340 --> 00:59:17,660
the same information and the same tools.
788
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:24,040
Wall Street was full of extremely smart
people doing the same macro trades,
789
00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:29,140
reading the same economic reports,
betting on the same currency movements.
790
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,760
It was a zero -sum game played by
thousands of nearly identical players.
791
00:59:36,740 --> 00:59:42,720
He needed to find a space where the
rules were still being written, where
792
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:48,440
first mattered more than being best,
where a monopoly position was still
793
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,200
available. He needed technology.
794
00:59:51,940 --> 00:59:57,500
And from the ashes of Thiel Capital
Management, a new philosophy was born.
795
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,260
If you want to create lasting value, you
have to build a monopoly.
796
01:00:03,020 --> 01:00:08,260
This became his investing mantra, and it
would make him billions.
797
01:00:12,220 --> 01:00:17,340
Thiel walked away from the firm and went
back to California, not to start a tech
798
01:00:17,340 --> 01:00:21,000
empire, but to try trading, then to
launch a hedge fund.
799
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:22,240
It failed.
800
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,900
The system he had rejected did not
welcome him back as a prodigy.
801
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,960
It treated him like a nobody.
802
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:34,500
That failure would become the last
lesson before his real beginning.
803
01:00:35,220 --> 01:00:36,760
But he'd learned something.
804
01:00:37,260 --> 01:00:41,820
If you play the system game as everyone
else, you've already lost.
805
01:00:42,780 --> 01:00:48,020
The chess master was done with the
board. He was ready to build his own.
806
01:00:55,690 --> 01:00:59,130
So this is an ATM, and what we're going
to do is transform the traditional
807
01:00:59,130 --> 01:01:00,130
banking industry.
808
01:01:01,250 --> 01:01:03,190
I do not fit the picture of a banker.
809
01:01:06,570 --> 01:01:11,530
Raising $50 million is a matter of
making a series of phone calls, and the
810
01:01:11,530 --> 01:01:12,530
is there.
811
01:01:13,330 --> 01:01:17,950
I've sunk the great majority of my net
worth into X .com, which is the new
812
01:01:17,950 --> 01:01:21,010
banking and mutual funds company on the
internet that I've started.
813
01:01:22,130 --> 01:01:23,310
December 1998.
814
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:30,660
Peter Thiel co -founds a company called
Confinity with Max Levchin, a brilliant
815
01:01:30,660 --> 01:01:36,060
Ukrainian -born programmer, and Luke
Nosek, a fellow Stanford reviewer
816
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:42,920
Initial funding, $300 ,000 scraped
together from friends, family, and
817
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,720
libertarian true believers from the
Stanford days.
818
01:01:46,420 --> 01:01:52,020
The original product idea, digital
wallet on Palm Pilot handheld devices.
819
01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:58,010
The vision was that people would beam
money to each other using infrared ports
820
01:01:58,010 --> 01:01:59,350
on the Palm pilots.
821
01:02:00,370 --> 01:02:06,690
In coffee shops, at restaurants, person
to person, by parking banks entirely.
822
01:02:09,290 --> 01:02:14,210
Total users after six months of
operation, 12 people.
823
01:02:14,690 --> 01:02:16,090
Literally 12.
824
01:02:17,410 --> 01:02:21,430
Most of them were employees and their
friends testing the system.
825
01:02:22,030 --> 01:02:24,410
It was a complete and utter flop.
826
01:02:24,930 --> 01:02:27,870
The technology worked, but nobody cared.
827
01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:29,490
Nobody wanted it.
828
01:02:30,270 --> 01:02:31,510
March 2000.
829
01:02:32,330 --> 01:02:35,790
Confinity pivots hard and launches a new
feature.
830
01:02:36,310 --> 01:02:38,350
Email -based money transfers.
831
01:02:39,390 --> 01:02:42,010
You send money to any email address.
832
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:47,230
The recipient gets a notification,
creates an account, and the money is
833
01:02:47,490 --> 01:02:49,650
Simple, instant, revolutionary.
834
01:02:50,730 --> 01:02:51,950
The name of this new service?
835
01:02:52,330 --> 01:02:53,330
PayPal.
836
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:59,590
Within weeks, user growth exploded at a
rate nobody had ever seen in financial
837
01:02:59,590 --> 01:03:00,590
services.
838
01:03:01,030 --> 01:03:03,870
Month 1, 10 ,000 users.
839
01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:07,410
Month 3, 100 ,000 users.
840
01:03:07,830 --> 01:03:08,930
Month 6,
841
01:03:09,630 --> 01:03:10,710
1 million users.
842
01:03:11,090 --> 01:03:14,170
Month 12, 5 million users.
843
01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:20,920
This was the fastest user adoption rate
in the entire history of financial
844
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:26,860
services. Faster than credit cards,
faster than checking accounts, faster
845
01:03:26,860 --> 01:03:27,860
anything.
846
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:32,500
But here is what most people do not know
about PayPal's growth.
847
01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:36,600
Here is the secret that the mythology
leaves out.
848
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:41,660
PayPal's explosive user acquisition was
not organic.
849
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,180
It was not word of mouth.
850
01:03:44,940 --> 01:03:47,620
It was not viral in the natural sense.
851
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,580
They literally bought their users with
cash.
852
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,700
The strategy was elegantly simple and
brutally expensive.
853
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:03,240
Sign up for a PayPal account, get $10
deposited instantly.
854
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,280
Refer a friend who signs up, gets
another $10.
855
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,040
Your friend also gets $10.
856
01:04:10,780 --> 01:04:17,540
Cost per acquisition, $20 to $40 per
user, depending on how many referrals
857
01:04:17,540 --> 01:04:18,540
user generated.
858
01:04:19,620 --> 01:04:24,400
Monthly cash burn rate at peak growth,
$10 to $12 million.
859
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,400
Just vanishing into user acquisition.
860
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:35,780
By late 2000, PayPal was spending $60 to
$70 million annually just to buy
861
01:04:35,780 --> 01:04:37,560
users with cash incentives.
862
01:04:38,890 --> 01:04:42,130
They were hemorrhaging money at a
terrifying rate.
863
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:46,610
Investors were panicking. Board members
were demanding answers.
864
01:04:48,350 --> 01:04:53,670
How long can you sustain spending $10
million a month buying users?
865
01:04:54,490 --> 01:04:56,950
But Thiel had done the mathematics.
866
01:04:57,530 --> 01:05:00,010
He had run the numbers obsessively.
867
01:05:00,470 --> 01:05:07,050
Each acquired user was worth $100 to
$200 in lifetime transaction fee
868
01:05:07,050 --> 01:05:09,090
revenue. through the PayPal network.
869
01:05:09,770 --> 01:05:13,890
They were buying $100 bills for $20
bills.
870
01:05:14,330 --> 01:05:20,370
It was either genius or insanity,
depending on whether the math actually
871
01:05:21,210 --> 01:05:22,970
Thiel believed it would work.
872
01:05:23,170 --> 01:05:25,090
He bet everything on it.
873
01:05:25,310 --> 01:05:28,250
But there was a problem, a major
problem.
874
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:31,990
Another company was doing the exact same
thing.
875
01:05:32,830 --> 01:05:39,470
X .com, a finance company founded by
Elon Musk, with money from his Zip2
876
01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:44,290
and a vision for online banking that was
nearly identical to PayPal's.
877
01:05:45,790 --> 01:05:52,750
Two companies, same idea, same market,
both burning massive amounts of cash at
878
01:05:52,750 --> 01:05:54,970
completely unsustainable rates.
879
01:05:55,530 --> 01:06:00,550
Total funding raised between both
companies, over $100 million.
880
01:06:01,950 --> 01:06:05,730
Combined monthly cash burn rate, over
$20 million.
881
01:06:06,830 --> 01:06:12,050
Time until both companies simultaneously
ran out of money, less than six months.
882
01:06:13,890 --> 01:06:16,050
The merger was inevitable.
883
01:06:17,090 --> 01:06:21,190
X .com and Confinity merged into a
single entity.
884
01:06:21,690 --> 01:06:26,890
The combined company kept the PayPal
name because users had already adopted
885
01:06:27,130 --> 01:06:28,630
The brand had momentum.
886
01:06:29,230 --> 01:06:35,210
Elon Musk became chief executive officer
of the merged company for five months.
887
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,160
October 2000.
888
01:06:40,740 --> 01:06:46,200
While Elon Musk was on his honeymoon,
the board of directors, led by Peter
889
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:52,060
and other Confinity founders, held an
emergency meeting and voted Musk out as
890
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:53,060
CEO.
891
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:58,860
The official reason cited strategic
disagreements over technology platform.
892
01:06:59,380 --> 01:07:02,200
Musk wanted to use Microsoft software.
893
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,820
The Confinity engineers believed in Unix
-based systems.
894
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:08,700
The actual reason?
895
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,860
Thiel wanted control, full control.
896
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,320
This was his company now.
897
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,020
Peter Thiel became chief executive
officer of PayPal.
898
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:25,720
Elon Musk remained a major shareholder,
but his operational control was
899
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:26,720
finished.
900
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:33,860
The two men, both future billionaires,
both future power brokers, had their
901
01:07:33,860 --> 01:07:34,860
first battle.
902
01:07:35,140 --> 01:07:36,140
Thiel won.
903
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:42,100
At its core, PayPal ran on a simple idea
that turned into a powerful engine.
904
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:50,140
Every time money moved, PayPal took a
small cut, 2 .9 % plus 30 cents per
905
01:07:50,140 --> 01:07:55,800
transaction. If that money crossed
borders, the fee climbed to between 2 .5
906
01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:01,780
and 4%. Then there was the float, the
cash sitting in PayPal's accounts
907
01:08:01,780 --> 01:08:04,940
payments, quietly earning interest for
the company.
908
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,840
Tiny slices, repeated millions of times.
909
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:14,320
By 2001, the numbers told the story of a
system coming to life.
910
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:20,140
Every single day, $5 -8 million flowed
through PayPal's network.
911
01:08:20,740 --> 01:08:25,560
Each month, that translated into $10 -15
million in revenue.
912
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:30,040
But growth at this speed came at a cost.
913
01:08:30,420 --> 01:08:36,470
Running a system, fighting fraud,
scaling infrastructure, acquiring users
914
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:43,250
burning 20 to 30 million dollars every
month the machine worked it just
915
01:08:43,250 --> 01:08:49,689
wasn't profitable yet late 2000 paypal
data scientists
916
01:08:49,689 --> 01:08:56,170
discovered something crucial 70 of all
paypal transactions were happening on
917
01:08:56,170 --> 01:09:01,990
ebay auctions people buying and selling
random items on the internet's largest
918
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:05,300
marketplace were using PayPal to move
money.
919
01:09:05,740 --> 01:09:09,240
The strategic insight became immediately
clear.
920
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:15,180
Make PayPal the only payment method that
eBay users trust completely.
921
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,160
Own that market, become indispensable.
922
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:26,279
The execution, buyer protection
guarantees that eBay's own payment
923
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:27,279
not offer.
924
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:32,040
Instant payment transfers with no 7 -day
check clearing period.
925
01:09:35,050 --> 01:09:38,890
Fraud detection algorithms that were
better than credit card companies.
926
01:09:39,370 --> 01:09:42,310
Email notifications for every
transaction.
927
01:09:42,790 --> 01:09:45,170
Simple, clean user interface.
928
01:09:47,149 --> 01:09:52,229
By mid -2001, the strategy was working
beyond all projections.
929
01:09:52,729 --> 01:09:57,870
50 % of all e -mail auctions accepted
PayPal as a payment method.
930
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:04,640
PayPal was processing $50 million daily
in eBay -related transactions alone.
931
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,000
And then eBay noticed.
932
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,380
And eBay was not happy.
933
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:16,720
eBay launched their own competing
service called Billpoint and attempted
934
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,140
PayPal through the marketplace.
935
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,620
They promoted Billpoint in search
rankings.
936
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,520
They penalized sellers who only accepted
PayPal.
937
01:10:26,220 --> 01:10:28,920
They made it harder to display the
PayPal logo.
938
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:30,580
It was war.
939
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,100
PayPal's response was total war.
940
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,700
Temporarily lower transaction fees that
undercut bill points.
941
01:10:39,660 --> 01:10:43,180
Guarantee faster money transfers than
eBay could offer.
942
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:49,840
Invest heavily in superior $30 million
deployed in 2001 fraud protection.
943
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,340
Massive marketing spending alone.
944
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,260
By early 2002, the war was over.
945
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,660
PayPal controls 65 % of eBay's payment
market.
946
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:08,980
Billpoint at barely 10%. eBay executives
looked at the numbers
947
01:11:08,980 --> 01:11:10,280
and reached a conclusion.
948
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,420
If you cannot beat them, buy them.
949
01:11:14,140 --> 01:11:15,700
July 2002.
950
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:21,680
eBay acquires PayPal for $1 .5 billion
in eBay stock.
951
01:11:22,890 --> 01:11:28,670
Peter Thiel owned approximately 3 .7 %
of PayPal at the time of the
952
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:33,710
His equity stake was worth $55 million
in eBay stock.
953
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:39,570
After taxes, he walked away with
approximately $40 million in liquid
954
01:11:40,110 --> 01:11:44,110
At age 34, he had won his first billion
-dollar game.
955
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:50,150
But the money was not the most valuable
thing he extracted from PayPal.
956
01:11:50,910 --> 01:11:57,090
The real value was the network, the
PayPal Mafia, the name they gave
957
01:11:57,470 --> 01:11:59,110
and it was not ironic.
958
01:11:59,590 --> 01:12:00,930
It was descriptive.
959
01:12:01,290 --> 01:12:06,650
The core team that Thiel assembled at
PayPal would go on to create some of the
960
01:12:06,650 --> 01:12:09,130
most valuable companies in human
history.
961
01:12:09,930 --> 01:12:14,550
Elon Musk, Tesla market cap $650
billion.
962
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:19,930
SpaceX, estimated value... $150 billion.
963
01:12:20,570 --> 01:12:25,450
Reid Hoffman, LinkedIn, sold to
Microsoft for $26 billion.
964
01:12:26,410 --> 01:12:33,190
Steve Chen, Chad Hurley, Jawed Karim,
YouTube, sold to Google for $1
965
01:12:33,190 --> 01:12:38,110
.65 billion, now worth over $100
billion.
966
01:12:40,610 --> 01:12:46,970
Jeremy Stoppelman and Russell Simmons,
Yelp, peaked at $3 billion market cap.
967
01:12:47,580 --> 01:12:52,240
David Sachs, Yammer, sold to Microsoft
for $1 .2 billion.
968
01:12:53,340 --> 01:12:55,900
Later founded Craft Ventures.
969
01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:59,940
Max Levchin, a firm $12 billion company.
970
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,640
Also co -founded Yelp.
971
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:09,840
Keith Rabois, COO of Square, partner at
Founders Fund, investor in
972
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,640
dozens of unicorns.
973
01:13:13,460 --> 01:13:14,820
Roloff Boffer.
974
01:13:15,310 --> 01:13:21,010
Partner at Sequoia Capital led
investments in Instagram, YouTube,
975
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:23,250
MongoDB, Eventbrite.
976
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:29,510
Total value created by the PayPal Mafia
across all their companies,
977
01:13:29,710 --> 01:13:35,790
conservatively estimated at over $200
billion in combined market
978
01:13:35,790 --> 01:13:41,810
capitalization. Fields ownership stakes
across this extended network through
979
01:13:41,810 --> 01:13:47,680
direct investments and fund positions
estimated at 2 to 4 billion dollars.
980
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,000
This was not just a company that got
acquired.
981
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:56,920
This was the creation of the most
powerful business cartel in Silicon
982
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:57,920
history.
983
01:13:59,780 --> 01:14:03,600
But what made PayPal different was not
the technology.
984
01:14:03,900 --> 01:14:04,900
Not really.
985
01:14:05,060 --> 01:14:08,700
The technology was impressive, but not
miraculous.
986
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,280
What made PayPal different was the
culture.
987
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,540
The religion of extreme meritocracy.
988
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,780
Thiel's hiring criteria were brutally
specific.
989
01:14:20,980 --> 01:14:22,880
1. Raw intelligence.
990
01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:24,700
High test scores.
991
01:14:24,980 --> 01:14:27,380
Ability to solve complex puzzles.
992
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,960
Proof you could think better than
everyone else.
993
01:14:31,580 --> 01:14:37,960
2. Intensity. Are you willing to work
100 hour weeks? Are you willing to
994
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,700
sacrifice everything else in your life
for the mission?
995
01:14:41,300 --> 01:14:42,300
3.
996
01:14:42,860 --> 01:14:43,940
Missionary zeal.
997
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,340
Do you actually believe we are changing
the world?
998
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,560
Or are you here for a paycheck?
999
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:53,080
Loyalty to the tribe.
1000
01:14:53,660 --> 01:14:55,660
Will you protect the other members?
1001
01:14:55,900 --> 01:14:57,820
Will you put the group above yourself?
1002
01:14:59,700 --> 01:15:03,640
Average employee age at PayPal, 25 years
old.
1003
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,580
Average work week, 80 to 100 hours.
1004
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:11,980
Office culture, libertarian, anti
-regulation.
1005
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:17,900
contrarian, anti -establishment. They
called themselves the Mafia specifically
1006
01:15:17,900 --> 01:15:21,200
because loyalty mattered more than
credentials.
1007
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:29,880
More than degrees, more than previous
experience, Thiel's operating principle
1008
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:35,540
stated explicitly and repeatedly,
talented people do not want to work with
1009
01:15:35,540 --> 01:15:38,080
people who are less talented than they
are.
1010
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:43,850
So every new hire must be more talented
than the average current employee.
1011
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:47,370
Otherwise, we are diluting the talent
pool.
1012
01:15:47,970 --> 01:15:53,710
This created a self -reinforcing
escalation, an arms race of hiring.
1013
01:15:54,110 --> 01:15:59,530
Every new person raised the bar. The
standards became higher and higher.
1014
01:16:00,230 --> 01:16:05,870
Only the absolute best could get in. And
once you were in, you were family.
1015
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:09,690
But here is what most people forget
about PayPal.
1016
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:13,530
Here is the original vision that got
erased from the mythology.
1017
01:16:14,450 --> 01:16:17,670
PayPal was supposed to destroy the
Federal Reserve.
1018
01:16:18,170 --> 01:16:21,770
It was supposed to undermine state
control of currency.
1019
01:16:22,290 --> 01:16:27,250
That was the actual mission. That was
why Peter Thiel, the libertarian
1020
01:16:27,250 --> 01:16:29,210
ideologue, cared so much.
1021
01:16:30,830 --> 01:16:36,610
The original vision laid out in Thiel's
founding documents creates a new digital
1022
01:16:36,610 --> 01:16:39,050
currency outside government control.
1023
01:16:39,950 --> 01:16:45,270
Enable true peer to peer transactions
globally without state intermediaries.
1024
01:16:45,710 --> 01:16:49,610
Undermine the state monopoly on money
creation and management.
1025
01:16:50,650 --> 01:16:54,670
Build the financial infrastructure for a
stateless society.
1026
01:16:55,390 --> 01:16:57,270
What actually happened?
1027
01:16:57,530 --> 01:17:03,250
To become mainstream, to actually scale,
PayPal had to compromise every single
1028
01:17:03,250 --> 01:17:07,930
founding principle. They had to
integrate with the traditional banking
1029
01:17:08,730 --> 01:17:09,709
The enemy.
1030
01:17:09,710 --> 01:17:14,330
They had to comply with Know Your
Customer and anti -money laundering
1031
01:17:14,330 --> 01:17:15,330
regulations.
1032
01:17:15,530 --> 01:17:16,830
Government control.
1033
01:17:17,550 --> 01:17:20,330
They had to partner with credit card
companies.
1034
01:17:20,610 --> 01:17:23,030
The old system they wanted to destroy.
1035
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:26,410
They had to get licensed in every single
state.
1036
01:17:26,890 --> 01:17:28,090
Regulatory capture.
1037
01:17:28,510 --> 01:17:32,690
They had to report suspicious
transactions to federal authorities.
1038
01:17:33,530 --> 01:17:37,670
Surveillance. By 2002, PayPal was
regulated.
1039
01:17:38,170 --> 01:17:39,670
exactly like a bank.
1040
01:17:40,510 --> 01:17:45,830
Partnered with banks, dependent on banks
for all core functionalities, the
1041
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:50,890
libertarian revolution had become just
another fintech company, playing by the
1042
01:17:50,890 --> 01:17:51,890
government's rules.
1043
01:17:52,890 --> 01:17:57,650
Thiel learned the most important lesson
of his career from PayPal's failure to
1044
01:17:57,650 --> 01:17:59,470
achieve its revolutionary mission.
1045
01:17:59,870 --> 01:18:03,690
You cannot disrupt the system from
inside the system.
1046
01:18:04,330 --> 01:18:08,980
If you want to change the rules, You
cannot ask permission from the people
1047
01:18:08,980 --> 01:18:09,959
wrote them.
1048
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,080
This lesson would shape everything he
did next.
1049
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,400
Palantir. Facebook.
1050
01:18:17,580 --> 01:18:19,440
His political investments.
1051
01:18:19,980 --> 01:18:20,980
Everything.
1052
01:18:21,780 --> 01:18:26,120
The PayPal acquisition was not an
ending. It was a beginning.
1053
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,760
The start of something much larger.
1054
01:18:29,100 --> 01:18:32,120
The pattern that emerged over the next
20 years.
1055
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,160
PayPal veterans leave.
1056
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,740
and start new companies in different
sectors.
1057
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:42,220
Feel invest early as angel investor or
through founder's fund.
1058
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:46,120
PayPal mafia members join each other's
boards of directors.
1059
01:18:46,860 --> 01:18:50,500
Cross -investment between all their
venture funds creates alignment.
1060
01:18:51,380 --> 01:18:55,360
Preferential access to deals flow
because of network relationships.
1061
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,560
Shared intelligence about markets,
technology and opportunities.
1062
01:19:00,700 --> 01:19:03,500
Real examples of how the network
compounds.
1063
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:09,080
Reid Hoffman introduces Thiel to Mark
Zuckerberg in 2004.
1064
01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:16,160
Thiel invests $500 ,000 in Facebook,
eventually makes over $1 billion.
1065
01:19:17,460 --> 01:19:23,320
Roloff Botha joins Sequoia Capital and
invests in multiple Thiel -backed
1066
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,040
companies, creating reciprocal deal
flows.
1067
01:19:26,820 --> 01:19:31,640
David Sachs hosts high -dollar
fundraisers for Thiel's political
1068
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,640
mixing business and politics seamlessly.
1069
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:43,260
Max Levchin provides seed capital for
Palantir and serves as advisor, lending
1070
01:19:43,260 --> 01:19:44,260
credibility.
1071
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:51,680
This network effect multiplier is
precisely how Thiel turned $55 million
1072
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:55,800
PayPal into over $5 billion in net worth
today.
1073
01:19:56,700 --> 01:20:01,740
The PayPal Mafia is not a cute nickname.
It is not a metaphor.
1074
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:08,100
it is the most successful organized
business cartel in silicon valley
1075
01:20:08,100 --> 01:20:12,940
self -reinforcing network of wealth
power and influence that has shaped the
1076
01:20:12,940 --> 01:20:19,260
entire technology industry for two
decades and peter thiel sits at the
1077
01:20:19,260 --> 01:20:21,140
it all the godfather
1078
01:20:21,140 --> 01:20:29,120
after
1079
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:34,330
paypal Peter Thiel was a man with a
billion dollars and a dangerous secret.
1080
01:20:35,090 --> 01:20:40,710
While other investors were looking at
spreadsheets and profit margins, Thiel
1081
01:20:40,710 --> 01:20:45,170
looking at the human soul through the
eyes of his mentor, Rene Girard.
1082
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:48,510
Girard taught him a terrifying truth.
1083
01:20:49,010 --> 01:20:51,830
Human beings don't know what they want.
1084
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:54,310
We are mimetic creatures.
1085
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:57,410
We don't desire things for themselves.
1086
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:03,480
We desire them because other people
desire them. We are copy machines
1087
01:21:03,480 --> 01:21:04,480
as individuals.
1088
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:07,780
August 2004.
1089
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,300
Facebook has been online for exactly six
months.
1090
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:18,060
It started as a Harvard dorm project and
has now expanded to several college
1091
01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:19,060
campuses.
1092
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,160
The metrics that Zuckerberg shows seal.
1093
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,220
Total registered users, 200 ,000.
1094
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:29,760
Almost entirely college students.
1095
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:35,120
Daily active user rate, 70 -80 %
engagement.
1096
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,280
Unprecedented in web services.
1097
01:21:38,980 --> 01:21:40,260
Revenue, $0.
1098
01:21:40,540 --> 01:21:42,560
No business model yet.
1099
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,620
Valuation Zuckerberg is asking for, $5
million.
1100
01:21:47,620 --> 01:21:52,800
Every single professional venture
capitalist in Silicon Valley has passed
1101
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,840
Facebook. Every major firm has looked
into it and said no.
1102
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,840
The reasons they gave? It is just a
college directory.
1103
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:02,740
Limited market.
1104
01:22:03,300 --> 01:22:08,700
Friendster has already 5 million users
and is the leader in social networking.
1105
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:13,020
Myspace is dominant with 8 million users
and growing fast.
1106
01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:17,080
There is no obvious business model or
revenue stream.
1107
01:22:17,700 --> 01:22:23,360
Mark Zuckerberg is too young, too
inexperienced, too risky as a founder.
1108
01:22:25,390 --> 01:22:30,630
Peter Thiel saw something completely
different, something that had nothing to
1109
01:22:30,630 --> 01:22:31,630
with technology.
1110
01:22:32,050 --> 01:22:38,410
Thiel had spent years studying Rene
Girard's mimetic theory, the
1111
01:22:38,410 --> 01:22:41,870
framework that would shape his entire
investment approach.
1112
01:22:42,210 --> 01:22:46,710
The core idea, humans do not have
original desires.
1113
01:22:47,090 --> 01:22:49,830
We desire what other people desire.
1114
01:22:50,250 --> 01:22:54,070
We learn what to want by watching other
people want.
1115
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:56,660
Desire is imitative.
1116
01:22:57,260 --> 01:22:58,760
Desire is social.
1117
01:22:59,220 --> 01:23:01,180
Desire is mimetic.
1118
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:06,560
When Thiel looked at Facebook, he did
not see a technology platform for
1119
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:07,560
connecting friends.
1120
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,240
He saw something far more powerful.
1121
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,280
He saw the perfect mimetic desire
machine.
1122
01:23:13,900 --> 01:23:16,240
The insight that made Thiel invest.
1123
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:20,420
Social networks do not create value by
connecting people.
1124
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:22,620
That is not where the money is.
1125
01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:24,520
The money is in comparison.
1126
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:29,500
The money is in making people compare
themselves to each other constantly.
1127
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:34,880
You see your friend's vacation photos,
you want a better vacation.
1128
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:39,760
You see someone's job promotion
announcement, you want higher status.
1129
01:23:40,180 --> 01:23:44,220
You see someone's relationship photos,
you want romance.
1130
01:23:45,900 --> 01:23:49,860
You see someone getting likes and
comments, you want validation.
1131
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:56,000
You see someone's perfect life. You feel
your own life is inadequate.
1132
01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:59,600
Facebook was not selling connections.
1133
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,280
Facebook was selling envy.
1134
01:24:02,580 --> 01:24:08,580
And envy, feel understood from Gerard,
is the most powerful economic force in
1135
01:24:08,580 --> 01:24:09,580
human history.
1136
01:24:09,900 --> 01:24:12,340
The desire for what others have.
1137
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:16,680
They need to keep up. The fear of being
left behind.
1138
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,900
Infinite envy creates infinite demand.
1139
01:24:20,540 --> 01:24:23,240
Infinite demand creates infinite value.
1140
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:26,540
September 2004.
1141
01:24:27,260 --> 01:24:31,820
Peter Thiel wires $500 ,000 to Facebook
Inc.
1142
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:38,460
The deal terms 10 .2 % equity ownership
in the company.
1143
01:24:38,900 --> 01:24:42,840
A board seat giving him governance
rights and inside information.
1144
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,920
Right of first refusal on all future
funding rounds.
1145
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,760
Post -money valuation of exactly $5
million.
1146
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,040
Mark Zuckerberg's reaction after the
deal closed?
1147
01:24:56,340 --> 01:25:00,500
This guy actually gets it. He
understands what we are building.
1148
01:25:01,260 --> 01:25:02,780
Silicon Valley's reaction?
1149
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:08,060
Peter Thiel just threw away half a
million dollars on a college kid's
1150
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:10,740
This will be his biggest failure.
1151
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,620
What happened next rewrote the history
of venture capital.
1152
01:25:16,420 --> 01:25:17,420
2004
1153
01:25:18,090 --> 01:25:19,049
End of year.
1154
01:25:19,050 --> 01:25:23,290
200 ,000 users grew to 1 million users.
1155
01:25:23,670 --> 01:25:26,270
5 times growth in 4 months.
1156
01:25:26,510 --> 01:25:27,510
2005.
1157
01:25:28,030 --> 01:25:32,450
1 million users becomes 5 .5 million
users.
1158
01:25:32,830 --> 01:25:38,230
2006. 5 .5 million users becomes 12
million users.
1159
01:25:38,730 --> 01:25:44,870
2007. 12 million users exploded to 50
million users.
1160
01:25:45,210 --> 01:25:46,210
2008.
1161
01:25:46,810 --> 01:25:50,510
50 million users doubled to 100 million
users.
1162
01:25:51,630 --> 01:25:57,430
2009, 100 million users becomes 350
million users.
1163
01:25:57,930 --> 01:26:03,430
Growth rate, the user base was doubling
every six to nine months for five
1164
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:04,590
consecutive years.
1165
01:26:05,310 --> 01:26:11,050
This growth curve has never been seen
before in business history, not even
1166
01:26:11,050 --> 01:26:14,990
close. As Facebook grew, its valuation
grew.
1167
01:26:15,420 --> 01:26:17,480
and Peter Thiel's stake grew with it.
1168
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,540
May 2005.
1169
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:26,960
Axel Partners invests $12 .7 million at
$100 million valuation.
1170
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:32,280
Thiel's 10 .2 % stake is now worth $10
.2 million.
1171
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,700
He has achieved 20 times return in nine
months.
1172
01:26:37,620 --> 01:26:39,560
April 2006.
1173
01:26:40,180 --> 01:26:46,870
Raylock Partners and Meritech Capital
invest $27 .5 million at $500 million
1174
01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:47,870
valuation.
1175
01:26:48,270 --> 01:26:54,990
Sealsake is now worth $51 million, 100
times return on his original investment.
1176
01:26:55,570 --> 01:26:57,510
October 2007,
1177
01:26:58,270 --> 01:27:05,050
Microsoft invests $240 million, valuing
Facebook at $15
1178
01:27:05,050 --> 01:27:06,050
billion.
1179
01:27:06,450 --> 01:27:09,810
Sealsake is now worth $1 .5 billion.
1180
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,480
A 300 ,000 times return in three years.
1181
01:27:15,300 --> 01:27:17,900
2009 through 2011.
1182
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:24,680
Multiple private sales and secondary
transactions value Facebook at $50
1183
01:27:25,580 --> 01:27:30,960
Seal's stake, if he had held everything,
would be worth $5 billion.
1184
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,400
May 18th, 2012.
1185
01:27:35,380 --> 01:27:39,240
Facebook goes public at a market
capitalization.
1186
01:27:39,850 --> 01:27:41,710
of $104 billion.
1187
01:27:42,810 --> 01:27:45,250
But Thiel does not hold everything.
1188
01:27:45,550 --> 01:27:46,570
He is strategic.
1189
01:27:46,850 --> 01:27:47,850
He is tactical.
1190
01:27:48,170 --> 01:27:49,490
He takes profits.
1191
01:27:49,930 --> 01:27:56,130
At the initial public offering, Thiel
sells $640 million worth of shares
1192
01:27:56,130 --> 01:27:57,130
immediately.
1193
01:27:57,730 --> 01:28:02,470
Over the following six months, he sells
the remainder of his stake in carefully
1194
01:28:02,470 --> 01:28:03,510
timed transactions.
1195
01:28:04,630 --> 01:28:09,990
Total cash realized from the Facebook
investment Approximately $1 billion.
1196
01:28:11,550 --> 01:28:16,190
Initial investment in August 2004, $500
,000.
1197
01:28:16,530 --> 01:28:21,610
Total cash realized by end of 2012, $1
billion.
1198
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:27,150
Total return, 2 ,000 times in 8 years.
1199
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:32,870
This is the single greatest venture
capital return in recorded history.
1200
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:34,050
else comes close.
1201
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:36,250
But here is the twist.
1202
01:28:36,970 --> 01:28:42,090
The haunting decision that Thiel himself
admits keeps him awake at night.
1203
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:44,150
Selling was a mistake.
1204
01:28:44,990 --> 01:28:51,390
If Peter Thiel had held his original 10
.2 % stake and had never sold a single
1205
01:28:51,390 --> 01:28:57,810
share, that stake at Facebook's peak
market capitalization in 2021 would have
1206
01:28:57,810 --> 01:29:00,070
been worth $102 billion.
1207
01:29:01,690 --> 01:29:03,310
$102 billion.
1208
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:08,440
He left $100 billion on the table by
selling early.
1209
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:14,860
Thiel himself admitted this publicly,
saying, The mistake was not investing in
1210
01:29:14,860 --> 01:29:17,800
Facebook. The mistake was selling
Facebook.
1211
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:20,360
I should have held longer.
1212
01:29:20,620 --> 01:29:25,760
I should have believed more. It is the
single most expensive decision of his
1213
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:26,760
life.
1214
01:29:28,100 --> 01:29:32,960
Years later, in a Stanford lecture,
Thiel explained his actual investment
1215
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:33,960
thesis.
1216
01:29:34,410 --> 01:29:36,170
The real reason he invested.
1217
01:29:36,670 --> 01:29:41,510
I did not invest in Facebook because I
thought social networks were going to be
1218
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:46,650
big. I invested because I understood
that humans will always want to be more
1219
01:29:46,650 --> 01:29:47,650
like their peers.
1220
01:29:47,890 --> 01:29:51,210
That desire is infinite. It never stops.
1221
01:29:51,550 --> 01:29:53,310
It only intensifies.
1222
01:29:53,890 --> 01:29:57,230
An infinite desire creates infinite
value.
1223
01:29:57,610 --> 01:30:00,910
The mimetic theory made him a
billionaire.
1224
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:06,640
The memetic theory also made him
terrified of what he had helped create.
1225
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:13,620
A machine that weaponizes human envy. A
system that profits from making people
1226
01:30:13,620 --> 01:30:14,620
feel inadequate.
1227
01:30:15,020 --> 01:30:19,780
An algorithm that amplifies the worst
aspects of human nature.
1228
01:30:20,700 --> 01:30:26,260
Peter Thiel helped build the most
powerful behavior modification system in
1229
01:30:26,260 --> 01:30:30,720
history. And then he cashed out for a
billion dollars.
1230
01:30:39,500 --> 01:30:42,880
2003. Peter Thiel has a problem.
1231
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:48,360
It is the CIA's problem that they think
Thiel can solve it.
1232
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:54,320
His PayPal anti -fraud algorithms have
become so sophisticated at detecting
1233
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:59,240
patterns in financial transactions, at
finding terrorists trying to move money
1234
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:06,000
through banking systems, that the CIA
venture capital arm In -Q -Tel requested
1235
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:07,000
meeting.
1236
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:08,800
The pitch from the CIA.
1237
01:31:09,380 --> 01:31:13,920
Can you build what you built for PayPal,
but for national security?
1238
01:31:14,440 --> 01:31:18,060
Can you find terrorists the way you
found fraudsters?
1239
01:31:18,940 --> 01:31:20,160
May 2003.
1240
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:26,340
Peter Thiel co -found Palantir
Technologies with an unusual group of co
1241
01:31:26,340 --> 01:31:31,620
-founders. The founding team, Alex Karp,
Chief Executive Officer.
1242
01:31:32,650 --> 01:31:37,710
Stanford Law degree, philosophy, PhD
from Frankfurt University in Germany.
1243
01:31:37,930 --> 01:31:42,070
Former human rights lawyer who once
worked on refugee cases.
1244
01:31:42,770 --> 01:31:47,690
An extremely odd choice to run a company
that will become the most powerful
1245
01:31:47,690 --> 01:31:50,210
surveillance technology provider on
earth.
1246
01:31:51,190 --> 01:31:54,390
Nathan Gettings, chief technology
officer.
1247
01:31:55,190 --> 01:31:57,470
PayPal's lead security engineer.
1248
01:31:58,010 --> 01:32:00,870
Brilliant programmer, Joe Lonsdale.
1249
01:32:01,370 --> 01:32:06,850
A Stanford undergraduate student, barely
20 years old, one of the first Thiel
1250
01:32:06,850 --> 01:32:11,710
fellows. Stephen Cohen, PayPal's chief
security architect.
1251
01:32:12,110 --> 01:32:15,530
The person who actually built the fraud
detection algorithms.
1252
01:32:16,190 --> 01:32:18,050
Initial funding, $2 million.
1253
01:32:19,210 --> 01:32:21,830
Entirely from Peter Thiel's personal
capital.
1254
01:32:22,210 --> 01:32:26,090
No outside investors yet. This is his
project.
1255
01:32:26,670 --> 01:32:28,570
The mission statement...
1256
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:34,040
Build software that can find patterns in
massive datasets from disparate
1257
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:35,340
incompatible sources.
1258
01:32:36,420 --> 01:32:42,360
The kind of data that, if intelligence
agencies have been able to analyze it
1259
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:46,700
properly, could have prevented September
11th, 2001.
1260
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:54,040
The company name, Palantir, named after
the seeing stones in Lord of the Rings.
1261
01:32:54,410 --> 01:32:58,830
The magical orbs that allow their
possessors to see anything happening
1262
01:32:58,830 --> 01:32:59,850
in Middle Earth.
1263
01:33:00,150 --> 01:33:02,390
Even the name revealed the ambition.
1264
01:33:02,870 --> 01:33:05,130
Total information awareness.
1265
01:33:05,890 --> 01:33:08,550
The ability to see everything.
1266
01:33:11,150 --> 01:33:17,530
2005. The CIA's venture capital arm, In
-Q -Tel, invests $2 million
1267
01:33:17,530 --> 01:33:20,370
in Palantir's Series A funding round.
1268
01:33:20,950 --> 01:33:22,610
This was not just money.
1269
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,060
This was validation from the
intelligence community.
1270
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:32,220
A stamp of approval from the most
secretive, most paranoid organization in
1271
01:33:32,220 --> 01:33:33,220
US government.
1272
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:37,140
Initial contract value undisclosed.
1273
01:33:37,660 --> 01:33:41,460
Government intelligence contracts are
classified by law.
1274
01:33:41,780 --> 01:33:47,440
But industry analysts estimate the first
CIA contracts were worth five to ten
1275
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:48,640
million dollars annually.
1276
01:33:49,260 --> 01:33:52,340
The product was called Palantir Gotham.
1277
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:54,620
The name itself was significant.
1278
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:58,280
Gotham, the dark city that needs Batman.
1279
01:33:58,500 --> 01:34:01,800
The city that needs surveillance to
fight crime.
1280
01:34:02,440 --> 01:34:04,040
Core technical capabilities.
1281
01:34:04,940 --> 01:34:10,280
Integrate data from dozens of
incompatible government databases that
1282
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:15,380
designed to communicate with each other.
From hidden connections between people,
1283
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:19,720
places, financial transactions,
communications metadata.
1284
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:25,760
Visualize networks of relationships in
ways human analysts could understand
1285
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:31,740
intuitively. Predict future behavior and
likely attack patterns based on
1286
01:34:31,740 --> 01:34:32,860
historical data.
1287
01:34:33,540 --> 01:34:36,700
Specific use cases for intelligence
agencies.
1288
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:40,180
Track terrorist cells across multiple
countries.
1289
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:44,180
Map drug trafficking routes from
production to distribution.
1290
01:34:45,180 --> 01:34:49,640
Identify money laundering networks
moving funds for organized crime.
1291
01:34:50,440 --> 01:34:55,660
Predict insurgent attacks in Iraq and
Afghanistan based on pattern
1292
01:34:56,180 --> 01:34:57,320
It worked.
1293
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,920
The software actually worked.
1294
01:35:00,340 --> 01:35:07,180
By 2006, Palantir software was being
actively used in Iraq for
1295
01:35:07,180 --> 01:35:10,380
operations and in IED attack prediction.
1296
01:35:11,900 --> 01:35:15,600
Afghanistan for predicting Taliban
leadership networks.
1297
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:20,360
Langley, Virginia, at SCIA headquarters
for threat analysis.
1298
01:35:20,780 --> 01:35:25,640
FBI field officers nationwide for
domestic terrorism investigations.
1299
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:31,960
Early revenue growth told the story of
Palantir's expanding reach.
1300
01:35:32,300 --> 01:35:35,840
2005, $3 million in revenue.
1301
01:35:36,300 --> 01:35:40,300
Government contracts only. 2006, $10
million.
1302
01:35:40,940 --> 01:35:44,440
2007, $25 million.
1303
01:35:45,370 --> 01:35:47,450
2008, $50 million.
1304
01:35:47,950 --> 01:35:50,250
First commercial clients added.
1305
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:53,810
2010, $150 million.
1306
01:35:54,550 --> 01:35:57,250
2012, $400 million.
1307
01:35:57,710 --> 01:36:03,890
By 2012, Palantir had achieved something
extremely rare for a high -growth
1308
01:36:03,890 --> 01:36:06,170
technology company, profitability.
1309
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:11,430
They were actually making money, not
just burning venture capital.
1310
01:36:12,190 --> 01:36:14,930
Customer revenue breakdown in 2012.
1311
01:36:15,670 --> 01:36:21,250
Government contracts, 60 % of revenue,
$240 million.
1312
01:36:22,050 --> 01:36:27,290
Commercial clients, 40 % of revenue,
$160 million.
1313
01:36:29,210 --> 01:36:31,250
May 1, 2011.
1314
01:36:32,050 --> 01:36:38,270
Palantir Software plays a role in the
operation that kills Osama bin Laden, a
1315
01:36:38,270 --> 01:36:40,410
role that remains partially classified.
1316
01:36:40,940 --> 01:36:43,480
but has been confirmed by multiple
sources.
1317
01:36:44,460 --> 01:36:45,960
How Palantir contributed?
1318
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:50,860
Palantir Gotham integrated dozens of
different intelligence sources.
1319
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:55,080
CIA human intelligence on courier
networks.
1320
01:36:55,440 --> 01:37:01,000
NSA signal intelligence including phone
metadata and email communications
1321
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:02,000
patterns.
1322
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:09,040
National Geospatial Intelligence Agency
satellite imagery of potential compound
1323
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:10,040
locations.
1324
01:37:10,590 --> 01:37:15,250
historical pattern analysis of previous
high -value target operations in
1325
01:37:15,250 --> 01:37:16,250
Pakistan.
1326
01:37:17,570 --> 01:37:22,710
The system identified patterns and
connections that human analysts, working
1327
01:37:22,710 --> 01:37:26,410
separate databases, that did not
communicate, had missed.
1328
01:37:26,770 --> 01:37:32,350
It narrowed the search area and helped
confirm the identity of the Abbottabad
1329
01:37:32,350 --> 01:37:33,350
compound.
1330
01:37:34,370 --> 01:37:39,210
When asked about Palantir's role in the
Bin Laden operation, Field gave
1331
01:37:39,210 --> 01:37:40,670
carefully worded response.
1332
01:37:41,230 --> 01:37:46,430
I cannot comment on specific operations
or specific clients due to
1333
01:37:46,430 --> 01:37:49,890
classification requirements, but I will
say this.
1334
01:37:50,710 --> 01:37:55,790
Tools that help protect American lives
and help intelligence professionals do
1335
01:37:55,790 --> 01:37:58,870
their jobs better. That is our mission.
1336
01:38:00,850 --> 01:38:06,940
This single operation, this single
success, legitimized Palantir's entire
1337
01:38:06,940 --> 01:38:09,740
proposition to the national security
establishment.
1338
01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:14,160
After Bin Laden, the contract poured in.
1339
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:20,600
After the Bin Laden success, Palantir's
government business exploded.
1340
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:24,660
Revenue growth from 2012 to 2015.
1341
01:38:25,860 --> 01:38:26,900
2012,
1342
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:29,680
$400 million in revenue.
1343
01:38:29,900 --> 01:38:32,820
2013, $600 million.
1344
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:36,300
2014, $900 million.
1345
01:38:36,940 --> 01:38:41,140
2015, $1 .5 billion in revenue.
1346
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:44,300
Major new contracts announced publicly.
1347
01:38:47,500 --> 01:38:54,240
US Department of Defense, $222 million
for a three -year data
1348
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:56,100
integration platform contract.
1349
01:38:56,660 --> 01:38:58,200
US Army.
1350
01:38:58,830 --> 01:39:04,930
$800 million for comprehensive data
platform modernization across all Army
1351
01:39:04,930 --> 01:39:05,930
systems.
1352
01:39:06,090 --> 01:39:08,610
U .S. Special Operations Command.
1353
01:39:09,730 --> 01:39:13,930
$444 million for targeting and
intelligence fusion.
1354
01:39:14,710 --> 01:39:16,850
Department of Homeland Security.
1355
01:39:17,670 --> 01:39:22,750
$240 million for border security and
immigration enforcement systems.
1356
01:39:24,110 --> 01:39:29,470
Palantir had become the single most
important software company in the entire
1357
01:39:29,470 --> 01:39:34,390
.S. defense and intelligence
establishment, more important than
1358
01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:38,610
defense contractors, more embedded in
classified operations.
1359
01:39:40,250 --> 01:39:45,410
Simultaneously, Palantir launched a
commercial product called Palantir
1360
01:39:45,410 --> 01:39:47,310
for private sector clients.
1361
01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:49,850
The sales pitch to corporate America.
1362
01:39:50,700 --> 01:39:54,040
Your company has exactly the same
problem as the CIA.
1363
01:39:54,440 --> 01:40:00,200
Too much data. Too many incompatible
systems. Not enough insight.
1364
01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:03,380
We can help you find the patterns you
are missing.
1365
01:40:03,900 --> 01:40:07,800
Major commercial clients and estimated
contract values.
1366
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:11,600
JP Morgan Chase.
1367
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:14,060
Over $100 million.
1368
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:17,420
Fraud detection and financial crime
prevention.
1369
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:23,680
Morgan Stanley, over $50 million, risk
management and regulatory compliance.
1370
01:40:24,500 --> 01:40:30,800
Airbus, over $75 million, supply chain
optimization and manufacturing
1371
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:31,800
analytics.
1372
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:39,640
Merck Pharmaceuticals, over $60 million,
drug discovery analytics and clinical
1373
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:41,140
trial data integration.
1374
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:44,900
BP, over $80 million.
1375
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:49,660
Oil field production, optimization, and
predictive maintenance.
1376
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:54,940
Commercial revenue growth from 2015 to
2020.
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01:40:55,580 --> 01:41:00,520
In 2015, they got $600 million
commercial revenue.
1378
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:04,740
By 2016, the number was around $800
billion.
1379
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:11,980
In 2017, they reached $1 .1 billion in
commercial revenue, and it became their
1380
01:41:11,980 --> 01:41:12,980
peak year.
1381
01:41:13,390 --> 01:41:20,370
2018 made them hit the $750 million
mark, a temporary decline due to
1382
01:41:20,370 --> 01:41:21,370
churn.
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01:41:22,810 --> 01:41:27,930
In 2019, revenue was around $745
million.
1384
01:41:28,630 --> 01:41:33,430
And by 2020, they reached $1 .1 billion
again.
1385
01:41:33,790 --> 01:41:38,290
This recovery was driven by COVID
analytics contracts.
1386
01:41:39,130 --> 01:41:44,110
Palantir had created a business model
with two enormous locked -in customer
1387
01:41:44,110 --> 01:41:49,250
bases, the US government and the largest
corporations in the world.
1388
01:41:52,850 --> 01:41:58,210
But Palantir's work, especially for
government agencies, attracted intense
1389
01:41:58,210 --> 01:42:00,750
controversy and moral criticism.
1390
01:42:01,350 --> 01:42:06,870
In 2019, they secured a contract with
ICE for $49 million.
1391
01:42:08,010 --> 01:42:12,730
The purpose of the contract was
enforcement and removal operations
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01:42:12,990 --> 01:42:19,770
meaning a software used to identify,
track and process undocumented
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01:42:19,770 --> 01:42:21,030
for deportation.
1394
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:24,550
This project came with a controversy
attached.
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01:42:25,050 --> 01:42:29,350
The software was used during the family
separation policy at the southern
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01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:34,130
border. Children separated from their
parents, families torn apart.
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01:42:35,150 --> 01:42:38,610
Palantir software helped make it
operationally possible.
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01:42:39,330 --> 01:42:44,290
Hundreds of Palantir employees signed an
internal letter demanding the company
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01:42:44,290 --> 01:42:45,850
cancel the ICE contract.
1400
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:51,650
They argued the company was enabling
human rights abuses.
1401
01:42:52,430 --> 01:42:53,910
Thiel and Karp's response?
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01:42:54,630 --> 01:42:55,810
Absolute refusal.
1403
01:42:56,170 --> 01:42:58,050
The contract would continue.
1404
01:42:58,910 --> 01:43:03,350
Alex Karp gave a public statement saying
that they had chosen sides.
1405
01:43:03,790 --> 01:43:06,390
and that the company supported American
institutions.
1406
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:11,450
But this was not the only controversy
Palantir has faced.
1407
01:43:12,410 --> 01:43:18,550
Palantir worked alongside the NYPD with
a contract estimated between $50 and
1408
01:43:18,550 --> 01:43:19,550
$100 billion.
1409
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:20,970
The mission?
1410
01:43:21,690 --> 01:43:22,850
Predictive policy.
1411
01:43:23,630 --> 01:43:28,950
They were asked to use historical crime
data to predict where future crimes will
1412
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:32,630
occur and who is likely to commit them.
The controversy?
1413
01:43:33,390 --> 01:43:37,850
Civil rights groups argued that systems
perpetuated racial bias.
1414
01:43:38,630 --> 01:43:41,630
Minority neighborhoods were flagged as
high risk.
1415
01:43:42,210 --> 01:43:46,710
Innocent people were put under
surveillance based on algorithmic
1416
01:43:48,250 --> 01:43:54,730
Joe Lonsdale, Palantir co -founder, had
made a personal investment in Cambridge
1417
01:43:54,730 --> 01:44:00,400
Analytica. Multiple Palantir employees,
on their own time, helped Cambridge
1418
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:03,080
Analytica build data integration models.
1419
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:10,520
Both companies used similar approaches
to data harvesting and psychological
1420
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:16,540
profiling. When the connection was
exposed by journalists, Palantir claimed
1421
01:44:16,540 --> 01:44:22,200
there was no institutional relationship,
just coincidental personal connections.
1422
01:44:23,550 --> 01:44:26,410
But the damage to Palantir's reputation
was done.
1423
01:44:26,770 --> 01:44:32,650
Thiel had built the Panopticon, the all
-seeing eye of corporate and government
1424
01:44:32,650 --> 01:44:33,650
surveillance.
1425
01:44:34,510 --> 01:44:36,630
September 30, 2020.
1426
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:43,170
After 17 years with a private company,
one of the longest periods of private
1427
01:44:43,170 --> 01:44:48,950
operation for any major tech company,
Palantir finally goes public through a
1428
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:50,030
direct listing.
1429
01:44:51,950 --> 01:44:57,770
They went public at $10 per share, and
their market capitalization at market
1430
01:44:57,770 --> 01:44:59,850
open was $16 billion.
1431
01:45:00,890 --> 01:45:07,150
By the first day, shares were down 5%.
The stock was initially a
1432
01:45:08,010 --> 01:45:12,230
Investors were skeptical of the business
model, worried about customer
1433
01:45:12,230 --> 01:45:15,330
concentration, concerned about the
controversy.
1434
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:21,940
But then COVID -19 created massive new
demand for Palantir's capabilities.
1435
01:45:22,620 --> 01:45:29,260
2020 to 2021, Palantir wins enormous
pandemic -related government contracts
1436
01:45:29,260 --> 01:45:31,520
with governments across the world.
1437
01:45:31,860 --> 01:45:36,860
The pandemic proved that governments
needed Palantir, and the market
1438
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:43,860
By late 2021, Palantir stock had
exploded, $29 per share.
1439
01:45:44,780 --> 01:45:51,380
At 190 % gain from the direct listing
price, market capitalization $60
1440
01:45:51,380 --> 01:45:52,380
billion.
1441
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:57,040
Peter Thiel's stake.
1442
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:03,100
Approximately 7 % ownership, worth $4 .2
billion at the peak.
1443
01:46:03,860 --> 01:46:08,340
2022. The tech crash hits Palantir
brutally hard.
1444
01:46:08,900 --> 01:46:14,140
Stock prices crashed to $6 per share,
down 8 % from the peak.
1445
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:17,440
Market cap collapses to $13 billion.
1446
01:46:18,820 --> 01:46:22,160
Seals paper wealth from Palantir
evaporates.
1447
01:46:22,460 --> 01:46:23,560
Billions gone.
1448
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:29,700
2023 to 2024, the AI boom creates new
opportunities.
1449
01:46:30,340 --> 01:46:34,820
Palantir markets itself as the AI
platform for governments and
1450
01:46:35,380 --> 01:46:38,000
And they get major new contract wins.
1451
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:45,720
The U .S. Army invested $463 million for
AI -powered battlefield analytics and
1452
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:47,140
decision support systems.
1453
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:54,120
Palantir stock recovered, 25 to 30 per
share by 2024.
1454
01:46:55,280 --> 01:47:01,800
As of 2024, Peter Thiel's current
Palantir holdings are approximately 7 %
1455
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:08,290
shares, with the current value ranging
from 3 .8 % to $4 .5 billion, depending
1456
01:47:08,290 --> 01:47:09,890
on daily stock price.
1457
01:47:13,390 --> 01:47:19,490
This makes Palantir Field's single
largest source of personal wealth.
1458
01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:26,110
In 2024, Palantir's financial
performance was divided between
1459
01:47:26,110 --> 01:47:27,190
commercial revenues.
1460
01:47:27,550 --> 01:47:32,250
The company's net income was $2 .5
billion annually.
1461
01:47:32,990 --> 01:47:37,430
And, as big as the number is, this might
represent a future problem for the
1462
01:47:37,430 --> 01:47:42,510
company. If government budget cuts
happen, Palantir is extremely
1463
01:47:43,210 --> 01:47:47,190
Their entire business model depends on
continued government spending.
1464
01:47:48,650 --> 01:47:51,650
Here is Peter Thiel's fundamental
contradiction.
1465
01:47:52,250 --> 01:47:56,650
The paradox at the heart of everything
he has built, he claims to be a
1466
01:47:56,650 --> 01:48:00,830
libertarian who values individual
freedom above all else.
1467
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:05,800
A man who believes government power
should be minimal. A man who wrote that
1468
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:08,580
freedom and democracy are incompatible.
1469
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:14,480
Yet, he built the most powerful private
surveillance technology company in human
1470
01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:20,520
history. A company that gives
governments and corporations
1471
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:24,800
to monitor, track, predict and control
human behavior.
1472
01:48:25,860 --> 01:48:31,030
Palantir's technical capabilities
include real -time tracking, of
1473
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:34,030
across multiple data sources and
databases.
1474
01:48:37,070 --> 01:48:42,410
Predictive behavioral modeling that
forecasts what people will do before
1475
01:48:42,410 --> 01:48:48,270
it. Network analysis that maps every
person you have ever contacted through
1476
01:48:48,270 --> 01:48:54,090
medium. Complete integration of
financial records, communication
1477
01:48:54,650 --> 01:48:56,030
location history.
1478
01:48:56,560 --> 01:49:00,820
and social relationship data into a
single unified profile.
1479
01:49:01,940 --> 01:49:07,360
Thiel's defense of this contradiction
was explaining that the alternative to
1480
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:10,020
Palantir is not no surveillance.
1481
01:49:10,820 --> 01:49:16,120
The alternative is worse surveillance
performed by incompetent government
1482
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:20,860
bureaucrats using decades -old
technology that does not work properly.
1483
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:26,960
The critics' response was obvious.
1484
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:33,540
They told Thiel he had built the
Panopticon, the architecture of total
1485
01:49:33,540 --> 01:49:38,740
surveillance, a system allowing
governments around the world to use
1486
01:49:38,740 --> 01:49:43,820
citizens' information to control them,
not a system to protect them, said the
1487
01:49:43,820 --> 01:49:44,820
critics.
1488
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:50,780
Palantir now operates in dozens of
countries worldwide, the United States,
1489
01:49:50,780 --> 01:49:53,020
United Kingdom, Germany, France.
1490
01:49:53,530 --> 01:49:58,890
australia and even japan the company has
some controversial international
1491
01:49:58,890 --> 01:50:05,550
clients some confirmed some alleged but
the total estimated value of all
1492
01:50:05,550 --> 01:50:11,330
global contracts lifetime over 10
billion dollars in contract value
1493
01:50:11,330 --> 01:50:18,230
palantir is peter thiel's most important
company not because of
1494
01:50:18,230 --> 01:50:24,200
its valuation though that is substantial
not because of its revenue So that is
1495
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:30,500
significant. Palantir is important
because it reveals the truth about
1496
01:50:30,500 --> 01:50:35,820
worldview. It is the bridge between his
libertarian philosophy and his
1497
01:50:35,820 --> 01:50:37,300
authoritarian reality.
1498
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:41,140
He claims to want freedom from
government control.
1499
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:47,540
But Palantir gives governments
unprecedented control over their
1500
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:50,960
The resolution of this apparent
contradiction
1501
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:57,840
Peter Thiel believes in freedom for the
elite and surveillance for everyone
1502
01:50:57,840 --> 01:50:58,840
else.
1503
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:04,480
In his vision of the world, there are
rulers and there are the ruled.
1504
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:09,740
There are the people who make the
decisions and the people who are
1505
01:51:10,460 --> 01:51:16,560
Palantir is the enforcement mechanism
for that hierarchy, the technology that
1506
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:18,880
ensures the rulers can see everything.
1507
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:25,480
the system that makes resistance
impossible because privacy no longer
1508
01:51:25,960 --> 01:51:31,760
And Peter Thiel sits at the center of
that eye, watching the world, seeing
1509
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:35,640
everything, the architect of the
surveillance state.
1510
01:51:40,140 --> 01:51:46,340
In 2016, Peter Thiel made an investment
that every other major technology
1511
01:51:46,340 --> 01:51:47,440
investor avoided.
1512
01:51:49,710 --> 01:51:54,190
While his peers in Silicon Valley were
contributing millions to the opposing
1513
01:51:54,190 --> 01:52:00,610
campaign, Thiel wrote a check for $1 .25
million to Donald Trump's presidential
1514
01:52:00,610 --> 01:52:03,730
campaign. This was not ideology.
1515
01:52:04,010 --> 01:52:07,250
This was portfolio diversification.
1516
01:52:08,210 --> 01:52:12,310
Thiel has always invested in contrarian
positions.
1517
01:52:12,930 --> 01:52:15,770
When everyone zigs, he zags.
1518
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:22,350
When consensus forms in one direction,
He looked for asymmetric opportunities
1519
01:52:22,350 --> 01:52:23,009
the other.
1520
01:52:23,010 --> 01:52:29,590
The 2006 donation gave him something
money usually cannot buy in Silicon
1521
01:52:29,770 --> 01:52:33,070
direct access to executive power.
1522
01:52:33,530 --> 01:52:37,430
The return on that $1 .25 million
investment?
1523
01:52:38,170 --> 01:52:41,890
A seat on the presidential transition
team.
1524
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:45,330
Input on federal technology policy.
1525
01:52:46,140 --> 01:52:51,400
direct communication channels to the
White House, credibility as a Washington
1526
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:52,480
power broker.
1527
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:59,500
And, most measurably, Palantir's
government contracts increased
1528
01:52:59,500 --> 01:53:01,120
during this period.
1529
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:07,900
But Thiel's most significant political
investments came in the 2022 midterm
1530
01:53:07,900 --> 01:53:13,980
elections. Two candidates, both former
employees, both running.
1531
01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:15,760
for United States Senate.
1532
01:53:16,140 --> 01:53:20,240
The financial commitment was
unprecedented in scale.
1533
01:53:21,380 --> 01:53:26,420
Vance had worked at Thiel's venture
capital firm before writing his best
1534
01:53:26,420 --> 01:53:32,020
-selling memoir, Thiel's Total Financial
Commitment. Direct campaign
1535
01:53:32,020 --> 01:53:34,620
contribution, $15 million.
1536
01:53:35,460 --> 01:53:37,360
Super PAC expenditures,
1537
01:53:38,100 --> 01:53:39,100
$5 million.
1538
01:53:39,620 --> 01:53:42,400
Combined investment, $20 million.
1539
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:49,320
This set a record as the largest single
donor contribution to an individual
1540
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:51,880
Senate campaign in American history.
1541
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:53,380
The outcome?
1542
01:53:53,660 --> 01:53:56,500
Vance won by six percentage points.
1543
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:02,960
Masters had worked directly for Thiel as
chief operating officer at Thiel
1544
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:03,960
Capital.
1545
01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:09,240
Thiel's financial commitment to his
campaign was a combined investment of
1546
01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:14,750
million. But unlike Vance, Masters...
lost by 5 percentage points.
1547
01:54:15,570 --> 01:54:22,370
Thiel's total 2022 midterm investment
was over $40 million in two Senate
1548
01:54:22,890 --> 01:54:27,490
Two different candidates that would have
allowed him to be in direct touch with
1549
01:54:27,490 --> 01:54:29,670
power at different chambers and stages.
1550
01:54:30,370 --> 01:54:35,810
For context, the average competitive
Senate race cost approximately $10
1551
01:54:35,810 --> 01:54:41,390
total. Peter Thiel invested four times
that amount on two races.
1552
01:54:44,460 --> 01:54:46,000
It's July 2024.
1553
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:51,620
J .D. Vance is selected as the
Republican vice presidential candidate.
1554
01:54:52,160 --> 01:54:57,980
From a pure investment analysis
perspective, this transforms the return
1555
01:54:57,980 --> 01:55:00,080
and seals $20 million commitment.
1556
01:55:00,540 --> 01:55:06,200
He has considered the potential
financial implications if this ticket
1557
01:55:06,200 --> 01:55:11,440
he gets access to executive branch
decision -making for eight years.
1558
01:55:12,110 --> 01:55:16,810
Influence over federal contract
allocation across multiple agencies.
1559
01:55:17,410 --> 01:55:22,530
Input on technology regulation affecting
sales portfolio companies.
1560
01:55:24,510 --> 01:55:29,490
If we consider what's the estimated
return on investment for Palantir's
1561
01:55:29,490 --> 01:55:35,610
government business, what we see is
current annual government revenue of $1
1562
01:55:35,610 --> 01:55:36,610
billion.
1563
01:55:37,630 --> 01:55:41,210
Potential additional contract value over
eight years.
1564
01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:44,220
conservatively $5 -10 billion.
1565
01:55:46,460 --> 01:55:52,900
Anduril and other defense companies in
SEAL's network, potential $3 -5 billion
1566
01:55:52,900 --> 01:55:54,000
in contracts.
1567
01:55:54,820 --> 01:56:01,060
Regulatory treatment of cryptocurrency
holdings, value potentially in tens of
1568
01:56:01,060 --> 01:56:02,060
billions.
1569
01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:11,850
The theoretical return of those $20
million invested is potentially 15 to 20
1570
01:56:11,850 --> 01:56:14,130
billion captured across the portfolio.
1571
01:56:14,730 --> 01:56:20,770
That represents a potential of 750 to
1000 times return.
1572
01:56:21,190 --> 01:56:26,470
By comparison, Thiel's Facebook
investment returned 2000 times.
1573
01:56:27,210 --> 01:56:33,850
To sum it up, the complete political
spending of Thiel from 2016 to 2022
1574
01:56:33,850 --> 01:56:36,990
is 70 to 80 million dollars.
1575
01:56:37,450 --> 01:56:42,180
For context, Amazon spends $20 million
annually on lobbying.
1576
01:56:42,420 --> 01:56:45,580
Meta spends $20 million annual on
lobbying.
1577
01:56:45,940 --> 01:56:49,600
Google spends $12 million annually on
lobbying.
1578
01:56:50,260 --> 01:56:52,040
Thiel's approach is different.
1579
01:56:52,300 --> 01:56:58,300
Rather than ongoing lobbying
expenditures, he makes concentrated
1580
01:56:58,300 --> 01:57:03,720
individual candidates who potentially
provide access for years or decades.
1581
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:09,620
It is the venture capital model applied
to politics.
1582
01:57:09,940 --> 01:57:13,460
Make early -stage investments in
promising candidates.
1583
01:57:14,020 --> 01:57:17,240
Provide sufficient capital to help them
win.
1584
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:21,720
Capture value through long -term
relationships and access.
1585
01:57:22,260 --> 01:57:27,080
The candidates Steele has supported now
serve on key committees.
1586
01:57:27,860 --> 01:57:33,440
Technology regulation, defense
appropriations, intelligence oversight.
1587
01:57:34,220 --> 01:57:36,360
banking and financial services.
1588
01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:42,460
Precisely the committees that oversee
industries where Thiel has billions
1589
01:57:42,460 --> 01:57:46,060
invested and where he can use some
privileged information.
1590
01:57:47,180 --> 01:57:50,860
Is political investment a good use of
capital?
1591
01:57:51,340 --> 01:57:54,000
The mathematics suggest yes.
1592
01:57:54,620 --> 01:57:59,840
70 to 80 million represents less than 1
% of Thiel's net worth.
1593
01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:01,640
The potential return?
1594
01:58:02,140 --> 01:58:07,220
if access translates to favourable
treatment for portfolio companies, could
1595
01:58:07,220 --> 01:58:08,220
worth billions.
1596
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:14,420
Even with a 50 % success rate, the
expected value is positive by orders of
1597
01:58:14,420 --> 01:58:15,420
magnitude.
1598
01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:19,340
Investment, 70 to 80 million over 8
years.
1599
01:58:19,680 --> 01:58:24,600
Potential value captured, 15 to 30
billion across portfolio.
1600
01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:30,540
Expected return, 200 to 400 times
invested capital.
1601
01:58:32,590 --> 01:58:36,430
That rivals the best venture capital
returns in history.
1602
01:58:37,150 --> 01:58:39,350
Peter Thiel is not playing politics.
1603
01:58:39,710 --> 01:58:42,250
He is optimizing his portfolio.
1604
01:58:45,610 --> 01:58:52,430
Chapter 7 The Final Exit Peter Thiel has
spent his life betting on the
1605
01:58:52,430 --> 01:58:55,910
future, building it, funding it,
accelerating it.
1606
01:58:56,190 --> 01:59:00,470
But there is one frontier he refuses to
accept as fixed.
1607
01:59:00,890 --> 01:59:01,890
Death.
1608
01:59:02,640 --> 01:59:05,480
To him, mortality is not destiny.
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It is an engineering problem waiting for
a breakthrough.
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And like every other system he has
challenged, he believes this one too can
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redesigned. While others plan for
retirement, Thiel funds longevity labs.
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While governments plan for decades, he
thinks in centuries.
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If time is the ultimate constraint on
power, then extending life... is the
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ultimate leverage.
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At the edge of the world, he built a
refuge.
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Far from political centers, far from
social unrest, close only to time.
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In Silicon Valley, there is a dark joke
shared quietly among founders and
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investors.
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How many billionaires does it take to
buy a country?
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Just one, if he is smart enough to get
there first.
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He invested in digital currencies that
governments cannot print, in
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systems that see what others cannot, in
political candidates who might
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