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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,679 We're asking that there be no restrictions 2 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,239 on the contents of speech, 3 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:22,399 and that's an enormous amount of freedom. 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:27,239 I'm confident that the students will exercise their freedom 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,559 with the same responsibility they've shown in winning their freedom. 6 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,320 APPLAUSE 7 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,999 {\an8}Yeah! Fuck free speech, bitches! 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,199 ♪ School's out for summer... ♪ 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,359 You need to get out. 10 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,719 {\an8}You are being racist. You are being offensive. 11 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,559 {\an8}Some of the words now forbidden at Stanford. 12 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,279 There has been a flurry of loud and angry debate 13 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,200 about what can be said and what ideas can be expressed. 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,600 I want you to be offended every single day on this campus... 15 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,799 ...and then you'll learn how to speak back. 16 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,719 Charlie Kirk drew an enthusiastic crowd. 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,599 Charlie Kirk was shot on a college campus. 18 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,719 {\an8}I've been saying we need to bring back political assassinations. 19 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:13,839 {\an8}I don't feel bad. 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,160 {\an8}And I don't think that everyone deserves the right to free speech. 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,279 Fuck you! 22 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,079 You're a fucking Nazi. 23 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,720 Get the fuck off campus! 24 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,479 - - No fascist USA! 25 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,839 The time has come to reclaim our once great educational institutions 26 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,919 from the radical Left. 27 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,199 The government's response to this problem has been Orwellian. 28 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,239 Donald Trump is trying to silence academic freedom. 29 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,359 I will sign an executive order to begin eliminating 30 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,079 the Federal Department of Education. 31 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:51,160 ♪ School's out completely! ♪ 32 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,759 When I started this film, 33 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,919 the loudest coverage of campus stories came from one direction. 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,119 Time now to look at some of the craziness on our nation's campuses. 35 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,679 It's clear the far-left only wants their voice heard. 36 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,879 Poison Ivy takes a deep dive into the wokeness of Ivy League schools. 37 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,399 People told me these blow-ups were just conservative spin - 38 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,079 clickbait, manufactured outrage 39 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,199 and, sure, right-wing media feasts on this stuff. 40 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,679 They love it. 41 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,839 But what I saw wasn't a few isolated incidents. 42 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,639 It was a pattern, 43 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:30,239 targeting real people, 44 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,839 damaging reputations, 45 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,519 destroying careers, 46 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:34,760 ruining lives. 47 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,599 And as these stories piled up, 48 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,359 you could feel the pressure building - 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,520 the pendulum picking up speed. 50 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,759 Because ideas that start on campus don't stay there. 51 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,359 They migrate outward 52 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,159 into bureaucracy, politics and law. 53 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,719 Can you provide a definition for the word "woman"? 54 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,240 {\an8}- I can't. - You can't? 55 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,679 {\an8}Not in this context. 56 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,760 {\an8}I'm not a biologist. 57 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,879 The question now being asked in the halls of power 58 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,400 had been taking shape on campus for years. 59 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,479 And that's where this part of the story begins - 60 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,920 with gender and sex. 61 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:34,159 ♪ Let's talk about sex, baby 62 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,639 ♪ Let's talk about you and me... ♪ 63 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,039 I think what really focused my interest 64 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,719 on trying to understand the evolutionary 65 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,959 and hormonal sources of sex differences in humans 66 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,239 was my experience out in Uganda studying chimpanzees, 67 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,479 because it was just so clear, 68 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,959 watching the chimps every day and being with them every day, 69 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,439 the sex differences they showed 70 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,879 and the high levels of aggression in the males 71 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,119 and their sort of obsession with sex and status, 72 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,759 that has obvious parallels to what we see in humans. 73 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,319 So that's really what sparked my interest. 74 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,919 ♪ Let's talk about sex... ♪ 75 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,479 In the human evolutionary biology department, 76 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,399 I got students from all different majors, 77 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:24,359 but I especially had students from Women, Gender and Sexuality - 78 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,719 a course that really challenged the idea 79 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,359 that sex differences have anything to do with 80 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,439 evolution or biology at all. 81 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,559 You know, the idea is that they're cultural and it's the patriarchy, 82 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,439 and I always appreciated their input. 83 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,999 But what started to happen 84 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,879 is I noticed people were becoming much more sensitive 85 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,199 about the language 86 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:48,560 and offended by my use of accurate and clear scientific terms. 87 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,279 I had been quoted in an article, 88 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:59,679 and it was an investigation of what's happening in medical schools, 89 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,319 where medical school professors were backing away 90 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,919 from using terms like "pregnant women", and "male" and "female", 91 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,399 in response to pressure from medical school students. 92 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,319 One med student in California 93 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,119 claiming her classmates shame and police professors 94 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,679 for "wrong speak" - 95 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,159 for using words like - hold your ears - "male" and "female". 96 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,319 And I commented in the article saying, 97 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,159 you know, these are our future doctors. 98 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,999 We should really just be sticking to teaching them about medicine 99 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,559 and using whatever language we need to. 100 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,719 So, Fox and Friends asked me to comment on that. 101 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:39,159 {\an8}The ideology seems to be that biology really isn't as important 102 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,519 {\an8}as how somebody feels about themselves or feels their sex to be. 103 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,759 {\an8}This kind of ideology has been infiltrating science. 104 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,599 Sex is a biological category. 105 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,159 It's a reproductive category. 106 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,319 It is at the centre of what I do - 107 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,279 my area of expertise, all of my research, right? 108 00:05:57,280 --> 00:05:59,279 {\an8}Do we make eggs, you know, big sex cells, 109 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:01,839 {\an8}or little sex cells - sperm? 110 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:05,679 {\an8}And that's how we know whether somebody is male or female. 111 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:11,439 What's powerful and interesting about that is that's it - 112 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,999 there are no other traits that uniformly, 113 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,639 discretely, cleanly, differentiate males and females. 114 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,799 And then I said, as a fact of nature, 115 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,839 it really has no implications for who we are as humans 116 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:27,999 in terms of our gender identity. 117 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,239 {\an8}You know, we can treat people with respect 118 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,119 {\an8}and respect their gender identities 119 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,759 {\an8}and, you know, use their preferred pronouns... 120 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,039 It's really just about the gametes. 121 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,959 And then sort of everything else is on a spectrum. 122 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,959 {\an8}It's very confusing when professors like me, or lecturers like me, 123 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,999 start backing away from certain terms 124 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,119 that they're afraid people will find offensive. 125 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,119 And... 126 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,960 ...I'll just say all hell broke loose after that interview. 127 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,879 "As the Director of the Diversity and Inclusion Taskforce 128 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,199 "for my department at Harvard Evolutionary Biology, 129 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,159 "I am appalled and frustrated by the transphobic 130 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,639 "and harmful remarks made by a member of my department 131 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,080 "in this interview with Fox and Friends." 132 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,479 So, I felt very panicked that the director 133 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,159 of our DEI committee went on to Twitter, 134 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,280 and this went out all over the, you know, Twitterverse, right? 135 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,439 "You are actually implicitly denying 136 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,400 "that trans men are men who can get pregnant." 137 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,359 And I felt... 138 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,119 ...like the ground shake under me. 139 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,999 I mean, this was... I was scared. 140 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,119 Suddenly I'm transphobic and I'm called transphobic by someone 141 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,799 who looks like they're speaking on behalf of Harvard. 142 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,679 So I retweeted her tweet 143 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,639 and I wrote something like, "I appreciate your concerns. 144 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,559 "Could you let me and the Twitterverse know exactly 145 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,919 "what I said that you consider transphobic 146 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,639 "or harmful to undergrads? 147 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,679 "I think you know that I care deeply about all of my students, 148 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,799 "and I also care about science." 149 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,839 Her reply - 150 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,959 "It is transphobic to imply 151 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,239 "that gender inclusive language limits medical education." 152 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:15,679 "Quite the contrary. 153 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,800 "It expands education to match our human reality." 154 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,479 So what happened from there 155 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:28,400 was mostly she was dumped on for attacking me. 156 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,319 And the narrative that developed was that I retweeted her tweet, 157 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,039 which was taken as an aggressive move on my part, 158 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:08,879 where I was punching down to use my power to harm her, essentially. 159 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,519 This was big gossip and news at Harvard. 160 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,200 My reputation now was trashed. 161 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:27,479 And it was picked up by newspapers from Australia to the UK, 162 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,920 in the States. It got a huge amount of coverage. 163 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,879 And now I'm just this transphobe at Harvard 164 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,839 because I said something which should not be controversial 165 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,599 in an evolutionary biology department, 166 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,200 to say that there are two sexes. 167 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,119 I grew up with the same idea that there were only two sexes. 168 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,559 You know, the stuff you learned in biology class. 169 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:53,519 This one has a penis. It's a boy! 170 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,479 This one has a vulva. It's a girl! 171 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,239 Over time, the conversation shifted. 172 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,599 In the '80s and '90s, gender studies separated sex - the biological - 173 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,799 and gender - how you live, act and identify in the world. 174 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,479 The way your body looks on the outside is only part of the story. 175 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,079 THEY GASP 176 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,319 Then came queer theory 177 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,919 and it blew up the whole idea of fixed categories. 178 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,959 Online, that vocabulary exploded. 179 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,239 For many who didn't fit the old categories, 180 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,559 it was liberating. 181 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:29,639 Finally, words that fit their lives. 182 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,039 Then the argument moved again from gender back to biology. 183 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,239 Some biologists now argue 184 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,159 that biological sex isn't a clean binary either - 185 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,559 that anatomy, chromosomes and hormones vary. 186 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:43,439 Sex is a spectrum. 187 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,279 The more you look, the more complex it gets. 188 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:47,879 Binary is bullshit. 189 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:52,000 Some push it even further, saying there are up to four or five sexes. 190 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,479 To many, that's a bridge too far. 191 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,119 What the hell is wrong with you?! 192 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,159 It's a threat to medicine, sports, safety and law. 193 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,239 And the debate isn't just academic. 194 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,799 It's moved into politics, media and the streets. 195 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:14,039 - Out of the closet! - - Into the streets! 196 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,279 ♪ Woman hear me roar 197 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,439 ♪ In numbers too big to ignore 198 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:24,399 ♪ And I know too much to go back and pretend... ♪ 199 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,279 SHOUTING 200 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,599 Kathleen Stock has attracted protests 201 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,679 over her views on gender identification. 202 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:34,039 She is a professor of philosophy at Sussex University... 203 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,279 ...who's been accused of being transphobic. 204 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,759 Kathleen Stock doesn't believe it's possible 205 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,399 for a person to change their biological sex. 206 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,679 ...that a trans woman isn't a woman. 207 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:45,959 A trans woman is a trans woman. 208 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,759 Kathleen Stock drew me to the UK 209 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,999 because she was another professor being shut out from campuses 210 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,159 with accusations of transphobia. 211 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,239 Every time I was announced as a speaker 212 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,839 at a different institution, there would be a protest 213 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,960 and there'd be some kind of attempt to stop the event. 214 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,640 ♪ I am invincible... ♪ 215 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,959 {\an8}She is a married lesbian professor, 216 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,639 {\an8}and all she states is that women's spaces should be women's spaces. 217 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,239 It just became extremely difficult 218 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,799 cos they would have to get in extra security at my talks. 219 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,519 Students at the University of Oxford 220 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,879 have demanded that the feminist academic Kathleen Stock 221 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,679 be no-platformed from its debating society... 222 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:28,159 Free speech is now actually problematic, 223 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,639 and if you try and defend free speech, 224 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,439 well, what kind of sinister opinions are you really arguing for? 225 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:34,999 Protect trans people! 226 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,919 We don't think she should speak here, 227 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,199 because her views are part of a broader hate campaign 228 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,599 and moral panic that's really damaging the lives of trans people. 229 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,360 - - We're fighting for our lives! 230 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,679 Amongst those protestors was Riz Possnett, 231 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:58,039 who silently glued their hand to the floor. 232 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,679 ♪ I am woman 233 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:04,320 ♪ I am a woman... ♪ 234 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:10,399 When it comes to, like, what should be protected as free speech, 235 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,399 everyone draws their line somewhere, right? 236 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,239 {\an8}The reason that I felt that Kathleen Stock surpassed that 237 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,559 {\an8}is because I think she plays such an integral part 238 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:24,039 to the way in which transphobia in the UK 239 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,120 has massively risen over the past few years. 240 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,359 Kathleen became a flash point in the UK, 241 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,159 a philosopher asking difficult questions about law, 242 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,879 gender and identity, 243 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,839 at a time when many believe those questions caused harm. 244 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,799 I was mostly interested in intervening in a political arena 245 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,279 because in the UK at the time, 246 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:52,519 we already had laws which allowed people to change their legal sex, 247 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,159 but they had certain safeguards built into the process. 248 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,639 Like, you needed two doctors to give you a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. 249 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,880 You needed to live as the opposite sex for a year. 250 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,359 In 2018, most of the political parties 251 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,920 were in favour of this new policy called Self-ID. 252 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,839 Basically, if you identify as the opposite sex, 253 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,919 you should be able to change your sex legally. 254 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,839 And, whether or not you've changed your sex legally, 255 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,959 you should also be able to access whatever spaces and resources 256 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,599 are traditionally connected to the opposite sex. 257 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,759 No hormones! No lipstick! No going under the knife! 258 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,919 You even get to keep your nuts! 259 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,239 It's easy peasy. 260 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,599 Go online - click, click, click. 261 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:45,760 Now I'm a bird. 262 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,759 Much of the opposition to the introduction of Self-ID in the UK 263 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,719 was about this idea that it was getting rid of all of these things 264 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,599 that made sure people were actually trans, 265 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,479 and actually, anyone could walk in and say, 266 00:14:58,480 --> 00:14:59,999 "I'm a penguin and you have to recognise me now." 267 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,599 In reality, the processes you had to go through in the UK 268 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,759 in order to have your gender identity recognised 269 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,799 without Self-ID were deeply pathologizing. 270 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:15,079 It's contributing to this idea that transness, or gender dysphoria, 271 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,039 is like some sort of mental disorder, right? 272 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,399 A, you can't trust them, 273 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,520 and B, you have to diagnose them in some sense. 274 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,559 I started writing blog posts and I just raised a few questions - 275 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,359 "There's this law change that's being proposed. 276 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,839 "Don't you think we should be talking about it? 277 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,879 "Do you think we should question whether trans women are women?" 278 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,279 I didn't say either way, but I said I'm a philosopher. 279 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,279 I've trained for this - I've got the arguments. 280 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,719 There are no voices that I can see 281 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,119 coming out of philosophy departments saying "There's some problems here." 282 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,039 There was plenty of voices coming out of philosophy departments 283 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,599 saying, "This is brilliant." You know? 284 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,079 "Trans women are women. Get over it." 285 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,879 I think the reason that I find it harmful in this sense to say, 286 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,279 "Trans women are not women, they are trans women", 287 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,279 is it creates a subcategory. 288 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,839 It, like, literally segregates them out. 289 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,239 Not being recognised with the right identity 290 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:09,919 so they can't get bank accounts properly, 291 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,439 they can't register for housing, 292 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,559 they can't get rents, they can't get mortgages, 293 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,799 all of these things, because they're not recognised within the system - 294 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,879 that is a massive component of the reasons 295 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,799 that trans people face so much discrimination 296 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,959 and so much transphobia in their lives. 297 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,359 The set of ideas that were being pushed that I rejected 298 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,399 was the idea that everyone's got a gender identity - 299 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,919 it's a feeling inside you, basically. 300 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,919 A male - a biological male who has penis, testicles, 301 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,679 you know, the usual, 302 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,639 can strongly feel that they are female, 303 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,319 or that they want to be female, 304 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,399 or that they should be female or something, 305 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,639 and that's their female gender identity. 306 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,959 Only you can know your gender identity. 307 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,719 No-one else can tell you what it is, 308 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,279 and as soon as it emerges, 309 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,279 as soon as you express it, 310 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:00,960 you have to be affirmed. 311 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,319 What's the real world impact? 312 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:06,719 Well, there's sports - 313 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,879 there's fairly obvious consequences. 314 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,239 Letting you on the sports team that fits with your gender identity. 315 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:13,879 Also, more importantly, 316 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,839 you have to say, "Yes, come into the ladies' changing rooms. 317 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,559 "Come into the rape crisis shelter. 318 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,119 "Come into the domestic violence shelter. 319 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:22,680 "You're a woman now." 320 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,359 There are women in domestic violence shelters 321 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:34,719 being forced to share a dormitory with a male who says he's a woman, 322 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,359 because the policy of the shelter is that he is a woman, 323 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:41,879 and if you complain, you're transphobic and you need to leave. 324 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,639 We've got issues, 325 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,039 ethical issues, at least to be explored. 326 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,959 Even if you think I'm wrong, you know, 327 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,279 you would think, "Well, we should maybe talk about this." 328 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,559 But we were also being told, "No debate." 329 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:58,119 As soon as you raise any problems about this, you are transphobic. 330 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:01,079 - - Trans rights now! 331 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,359 I get why this subject is so charged. 332 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:06,159 It's deeply personal - about people's lives, 333 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,439 bodies, their sense of who they are. 334 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,479 Trans people aren't going anywhere! 335 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,199 But I thought universities existed to test ideas, 336 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,840 even uncomfortable ones. 337 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,119 And when questioning ideas becomes off limits, 338 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:24,159 what happens to the pursuit of truth? 339 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,799 At Harvard, I felt so lucky to be at a place 340 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,879 that valued veritas - truth - more than anything. 341 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,839 Veritas, which is inscribed in stone all over the campus 342 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,519 and in the shield. 343 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,679 So, when things started to change, 344 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,199 that value - veritas - 345 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,199 started to somehow be overshadowed 346 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:54,079 by the messages coming through the growing DEI infrastructure, 347 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,359 not only down from the administration, 348 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:59,479 but also up from a lot of the students. 349 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,959 Then we started to get messages about how important it is 350 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,319 to protect people from offence. 351 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:13,759 This idea to keep our students safe and that ideas can harm, 352 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,880 and that knowledge itself can be harmful. 353 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,799 And so, according to the director of our DEI committee, 354 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,639 not only was I transphobic 355 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,119 because I said that sex is not a belief, 356 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:28,719 it's a physical property of your body, 357 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,799 but she was saying it's specifically harmful 358 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,200 to the students in our department. 359 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,199 What is ironic 360 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,639 is that I was that person who sort of made the department 361 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,479 feel like home and safe, you know, for our students, 362 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,599 because they would come to me often when 363 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,280 going through problems associated with things like gender identity. 364 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,039 Dr Hooven is an incredible professor. 365 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,919 At the heart of her love for endocrinology 366 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,639 is so clearly her care for the wellbeing of people 367 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,799 with all kinds of differences - in sex development, 368 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,120 gender identities and sexualities. 369 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,039 I don't know what to say outside the fact 370 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,119 that Carole was one of the only professors I've had 371 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:17,759 who genuinely cared about... 372 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,800 ...what I'm going to do in the world and wanted more than anything... 373 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:23,959 Sorry. 374 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,399 ...and wanted more than anything to teach us about the world 375 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,400 and ourselves and... to make us better off. 376 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:37,999 I had assumed, 377 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:43,439 "Of course the administration is going to have my back and protect me 378 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,599 "and my right to make statements about my area of expertise." 379 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,999 That was so stupid and naive of me. 380 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,439 Instead, my department chair 381 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,159 and the chair of the other biology department 382 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,279 wrote a letter with a team of administrators, 383 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,879 including a DEI person, that I begged not to be sent out. 384 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,599 "Dear colleagues, science has always created conflicts 385 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,719 "with people's social, political and religious views. 386 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,119 "At its best, science has pushed against..." 387 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:17,239 "..ancient orthodoxies to open broader vistas 388 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,759 "on our place in nature and in the universe." 389 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:20,959 SHE MOCK GAGS 390 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,959 OK. "Recently, tensions have increased within our community 391 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,479 "and in some cases shifted to an important discussion 392 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,999 "about the intersection of science, communication and language use. 393 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,439 "In our role as chairs, we should always strive 394 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,439 "to be responsive to the varied concerns..." 395 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,079 "..but must also balance the needs of the entire community 396 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,199 "and our shared values of open dialogue." 397 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:51,079 That sentence right there is anti-academic freedom. 398 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,599 It's saying that, 399 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,199 OK, you might have your views, but you've got to consider 400 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,479 how they're going to land on people 401 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,079 in a way that should... Maybe you shouldn't express them. 402 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,919 It was not the intent of the committee 403 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,759 to cause damage to Dr Hooven's reputation. 404 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,639 It wasn't our intent to, like, fuck her over for the rest of her life. 405 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,839 We simply wanted to point out 406 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,239 that she shouldn't have said what she said, 407 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,959 because it might have hurt others. 408 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,640 "We apologise"! 409 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,599 That email was sent out, which only made things worse for me. 410 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,239 I literally was walking around with my head down. 411 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,559 I was afraid that people would recognise me 412 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,719 and think that I am that transphobe or something. 413 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,959 I felt totally isolated. 414 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:41,159 I felt so betrayed and let down 415 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,799 and just disoriented. 416 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,879 And ultimately I was unable to teach my course in the spring 417 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:53,119 because no graduate student would agree to be my teaching assistant, 418 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:55,639 and I lost the... 419 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,039 Any hope for being able to ever do my job 420 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,119 the way that I knew I needed to do it, 421 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:01,799 which is to tell the truth, 422 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,719 and I knew that what had happened to me was scaring other people - 423 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,639 other faculty members - 424 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:13,359 and they started modifying what they taught and researched 425 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:17,679 in response to these fears about how students would react. 426 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,520 And I know that because they told me. 427 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,999 No individual felt that it was worth it to them 428 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:31,280 to be the one to go out on a limb and stand up for somebody like me. 429 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:46,279 Ultimately, I ended up getting a lawyer and negotiated a retirement. 430 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,719 So... It's so hard. It's hard every day 431 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,560 cos they're still right there. 432 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,919 Academic freedom might be 433 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,479 held up as a value that Harvard supports, 434 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,359 but in reality, in practice, 435 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:03,839 we do not have true academic freedom. 436 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,559 We don't have a culture of free speech. 437 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,879 And that is because people know what can happen to their reputation 438 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,680 and their livelihood if they express the wrong view. 439 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,799 "Stock is desperate for attention. 440 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,559 "Independently of her transphobia, 441 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,719 "she has always been a mediocre philosopher." 442 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,479 The first kind of pushback came from within philosophy. 443 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:41,239 Some extremely aggressive pushback that compared me to racists 444 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,399 and said that I was basically a bit like 445 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,719 someone committing indigenous genocide. 446 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,879 These were from philosophers, professors, 447 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,159 and everyone - like, like, like, tweet, tweet, tweet, 448 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,879 read this, you know, repost, repost, repost. 449 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,359 So it just was spreading around. 450 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,119 I was like... 451 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,159 "But hang on...!" You know? 452 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:06,039 I had not got the capacity I thought to fight that. 453 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,079 So a new post would come out, I'd read it, 454 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,519 I'd sort of go into some kind of catatonic depression. 455 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,839 I would lie on the floor, like, crying my eyes out, 456 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,239 and then about 3.00 in the morning, I would wake up 457 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,439 and go and write a response to that blog post, 458 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,319 and I would fire off, like, rebuttal, rebuttal, rebuttal. 459 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,399 Every point I would rebut, press send, 460 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,840 and I would feel relieved, like I'd fought back. 461 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,079 And then the next one would come out. 462 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,479 So that went on for a few months 463 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,040 where I just basically felt like I was under siege. 464 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,520 This mass character assassination was going on. 465 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,399 So it was just like a free-for-all, basically on campus... on my campus, 466 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:47,919 in my department. 467 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,560 People I knew, you know, people I had hung out with... 468 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,239 ...were liking and retweeting all these things. 469 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,959 It was quite a... Quite a bad time. 470 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,359 That was probably the worst time, 471 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:03,719 cos I felt like philosophy was... my home and my community. 472 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,000 Turns out it wasn't. 473 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,119 I had a lecture. 474 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:20,599 It was 9.00 in the morning and I was walking down the tunnel. 475 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,079 It's like the main thoroughfare into the campus, 476 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,559 and along every bit of this tunnel 477 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,959 were these big posters saying "Fire Kathleen Stock. 478 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,319 "Kathleen Stock is a transphobe. 479 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,240 "We're not paying our fees to be taught by a transphobe." 480 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,839 And then things obviously escalated and escalated. 481 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,959 Then these protests happened. 482 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,359 - - Kathleen Stock is a transphobe! 483 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:45,919 Kathleen Stock is a transphobe! 484 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,959 Kathleen Stock is... 485 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,319 - Stock out! - Stock out! - Stock out! 486 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,680 They were letting off flares. There was graffiti. 487 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,159 And from then on, they said they were basically going to come back 488 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,080 every day... until I left. 489 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,079 One thing I couldn't believe 490 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,679 is that my colleagues in the philosophy department 491 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,559 just all acted like it wasn't happening. 492 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:11,679 And I just thought, 493 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,959 perhaps they'll put out a statement in defence of me, 494 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,719 just even my academic freedom to do as I've done. 495 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,799 So I wrote and said, you know, "There are masked men on campus 496 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:27,319 "with posters saying that they want to get me fired or sacked. 497 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,559 "What more do you need to put out a statement in my support?" 498 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,039 And they never answered. 499 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,240 So... 500 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:36,880 ...nobody answered. 501 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,120 I'm not transphobic and they... 502 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,519 It's just... 503 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,960 Sometimes just the wall of misrepresentation just comes at you. 504 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,559 It was just like I was... 505 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,600 Sorry. 506 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,079 Sorry. 507 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,680 I don't want to cry on camera. 508 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,680 Anyway. It's fine. 509 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,199 It was like I was a contaminant. 510 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,320 So it felt. 511 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:19,959 And I just thought, "I don't want to be here any more." 512 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,440 So I resigned, basically. 513 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,080 So... 514 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,239 Kathleen Stock is not going to be 515 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,079 coming back to the University of Sussex as a professor. 516 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,799 Good fucking riddance. 517 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,239 This is a monumental victory for trans and nonbinary students, 518 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,679 who have protested the ways that this university 519 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,399 has enabled transphobia, abuse and discrimination. 520 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,879 Fuck the national press media, 521 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,599 who happily collaborated with the university and Stock 522 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,439 to turn this into a debate about free speech and academic freedoms. 523 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,759 This has been a campaign to get Stock out of Sussex, 524 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,399 and it fucking worked. 525 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,079 We acted as a community built on solidarity and love. 526 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,239 And that's fucking powerful. 527 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,279 "Trans resistance will always overcome. 528 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,120 "United. Never to be defeated." 529 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,400 Obviously, this all had a tremendous effect on me psychologically. 530 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,759 But I do think people should know the cost 531 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,959 that people face now, truly, for just saying how they feel 532 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,560 or what their view is. 533 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,839 I questioned my existence, my very existence, 534 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,279 and I've talked to a lot of people who've experienced the same thing, 535 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,999 when you are socially ostracised 536 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,919 and when the kind of rug is pulled out from under you, 537 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,359 and that is suicidal ideation. 538 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,680 I talked about suicide so much. 539 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,639 But... in front of my kid, 540 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,440 and I feel awful about that. 541 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,919 But I was... 542 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,479 I had to talk about it cos it's all I could... 543 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,319 I thought about it constantly 544 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,999 and I wanted it to stop, 545 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,519 and I couldn't make it stop. 546 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,359 And I thought very hard about meaning in life, 547 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:47,919 and what gives me more meaning now is, like, talking about 548 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,639 the issues I'm talking about 549 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,639 and things have really crystallised, 550 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,359 because I didn't really know how important free speech was to me. 551 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,199 I didn't really get what was so great about democracy before, 552 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,639 and I never just paid that much attention to it. 553 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,479 But I now really firmly believe 554 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,879 that each individual kid is so important, 555 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,079 and all of their views are so important 556 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,879 in learning and challenging each other, 557 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,439 and that we should respect everybody's different 558 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,199 perspectives and experiences. 559 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,119 And if we don't have free speech, we don't have that, 560 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,320 and that's robbing individuals of their right to be heard and seen. 561 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,360 Just cut it. 562 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,919 Watching what happened to Carole, Kathleen and all the others I met, 563 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,079 I kept waiting for institutions to defend their free speech, 564 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,159 even a little. 565 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,039 Mostly, they didn't. 566 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,079 And as more people went quiet out of fear, 567 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,719 the silence created a vacuum, 568 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,719 one conservative politicians were quick to exploit. 569 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,359 And their first stop was Florida. 570 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,560 Somehow, it's always Florida. 571 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,079 New College of Florida was founded in the civil rights era 572 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,399 with a mission - 573 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,559 to become an institution inclusive of students, 574 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,079 regardless of race, religion, national origin, or cultural status. 575 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,439 ♪ Welcome to America 576 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,159 ♪ Where everything is made in China 577 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,679 ♪ Where a girl can have a penis and the boys can have vaginas 578 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,319 ♪ Welcome to the home of the woke We're going broke 579 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,479 ♪ You'll get cancelled for a joke by folks who voted for Joe 580 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,839 ♪ Welcome to the Democratic USA 581 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,479 ♪ You're homophobic and racist if you ain't black or gay 582 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,959 ♪ Where the Stars and the Stripes, they go up in flames 583 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,439 ♪ But every classroom in the country has a rainbow flag... ♪ 584 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,439 Now, despite that history, or maybe because of it, 585 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,319 Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has targeted the public 586 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,199 liberal arts honours college as part of his "war on wokeism". 587 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,199 Florida is where woke goes to die! 588 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,919 {\an8}♪ You ain't gonna shut me up 589 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,639 {\an8}♪ I'll be saying what I want at the top of my lungs 590 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,999 ♪ You ain't gonna shut me up 591 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,399 {\an8}♪ You gonna hear what I say till I'm six feet deep 592 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,959 {\an8}♪ You ain't gonna shut me up 593 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,359 {\an8}♪ You can hate all you want, I got freedom of speech 594 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,600 {\an8}♪ And you ain't gonna shut me up! ♪ 595 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,239 I heard about a government-led shake-up 596 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,719 at a small liberal arts college in Florida. 597 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,759 We have witnessed harrowing incursions on academic freedom. 598 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,839 Focused on academic excellence 599 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,319 and not the imposition of trendy ideologies. 600 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,119 When DeSantis took over the board of trustees at New College, 601 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,759 he installed loyalists like Christopher Rufo. 602 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,559 Rufo, who is vowing to remove focuses 603 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,519 on race and gender from the school's DNA. 604 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,279 Known for its quirky, progressive culture, 605 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,559 New College suddenly became the new front line in America's culture war. 606 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,359 New College is coming out on a united front 607 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,279 because we love our school. 608 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,239 New College has a culture problem. 609 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,199 The three phrases that most describe the culture here - 610 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,519 "politically correct", 611 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:58,599 "druggies", 612 00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:59,720 "weirdos". 613 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,559 I think New College has a reputation as a leftist bastion. 614 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,079 {\an8}A majority of our students have identified as LGBTQIA, 615 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,199 and we do have a fairly large percentage 616 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,719 of trans students on campus. 617 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:16,679 Unfortunately, New College's... 618 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,359 ...comfort in being a place where 619 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,879 students who didn't fit in could fit in 620 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:29,039 has led to this situation where we seemed like we were the easy target. 621 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,119 Political leaders abdicated their responsibility. 622 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,999 They delegated power to left-wing activists, 623 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,759 academics and administrators. 624 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,440 They gave them the keys and they ran the car into the ditch. 625 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,399 Meet Christopher Rufo, 626 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,439 the right's greatest anti-anti-racist weapon. 627 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,519 In 2020, as social justice initiatives 628 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,119 spread across institutions, 629 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,679 Rufo cast them as a threat 630 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,759 and identified critical race theory as the cause. 631 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,319 It's absolutely astonishing 632 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,639 how critical race theory has pervaded every institution 633 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:02,959 in the federal government. 634 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,039 Critical race theory, or CRT, 635 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,879 is a theory taught in law schools 636 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,159 that says racism isn't just individual prejudice, 637 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,799 it's also systemic - built into laws and institutions. 638 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,479 The problem isn't in the people. The problem is in the institutions. 639 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,079 But Rufo wasn't interested in the legal definition. 640 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,839 During Trump's first term, 641 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,999 he appeared on Fox with a message for the president. 642 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,359 {\an8}"CRT is a Marxist ideology threatening to destroy America..." 643 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,319 And I call on the president to immediately issue 644 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,559 this executive order and stamp out this destructive, 645 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,279 divisive, pseudoscientific ideology at its root. 646 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,159 The next morning, the president's chief of staff gave me a call 647 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,239 and said, "Hey, the president watched you on Tucker. 648 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:46,439 "He agrees with you. 649 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,759 "He's instructed me to design an executive order 650 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,559 "abolishing CRT from the federal government. Can you help?" 651 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,439 President Trump signed an executive order 652 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,399 to crack down on so-called critical race theory. 653 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,239 So that's really when the CRT movement 654 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,439 went from some reporting I was doing, 655 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,319 some activism, some policy work, 656 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,800 to, you know, a national spectacle. 657 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,999 By branding all kinds of DEI initiatives as critical race theory, 658 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,839 Rufo turned an academic theory into a political weapon. 659 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,159 And the thing is, it fucking worked! 660 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,319 CRT - or crucially, Rufo's definition of it - 661 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,839 was suddenly absolutely everywhere. 662 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,919 Within months, Republican-led states weren't just banning CRT, 663 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,799 they were scrapping DEI trainings, rewriting curricula 664 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,799 and eliminating mandatory diversity statements, 665 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,719 and Rufo became the go-to strategist 666 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:40,239 for turning culture war outrage into policy. 667 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:43,839 That caught the attention of Florida's governor, Ron DeSantis... 668 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:50,559 We are also going to eliminate all DEI and CRT bureaucracies. 669 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,479 ...handing Rufo something even more potent - 670 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,760 the machinery of state power. 671 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,679 Rufo and his conservative cohort now have the power 672 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,599 to make immediate change... 673 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,759 Good morning. Today is a big day 674 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,439 in the history of New College of Florida. 675 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,639 The trustees are meeting in Sarasota. 676 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,239 I'll be joining them virtually. 677 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:14,639 Our task today is to select a permanent president for the college. 678 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,119 ...and their first order of business was to fire New College's president. 679 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,039 - All in favour? - Let her finish. - Please... 680 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,239 - Let's let her finish. - Please. 681 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:29,879 I do not believe that students are being indoctrinated at New College. 682 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,839 ♪ Hit the road, Jack 683 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,319 ♪ And don't you come back no more, no more... ♪ 684 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,759 So this is the part of the meeting where we have 685 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,039 a call for public comment... 686 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,319 I would like to remind all of us 687 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,679 that we are in a time that requires a specific type of character. 688 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,679 One minute for each comment. 689 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,159 I am here to object to the appointment of Richard Corcoran. 690 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,439 Corcoran banned books, distorted history, including black history, 691 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,039 and attacked LGBTQ+ students. 692 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,559 He has demonstrated the unique kind of character that we need. 693 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,999 Making our students feel unsafe, 694 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,199 vilifying diversity, equity and inclusion, 695 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,359 repressing free speech and academic freedom, 696 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,919 making me lose sleep every night. 697 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,399 Under Richard Corcoran's leadership, 698 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,159 we've engaged in this ambitious, difficult and challenging process, 699 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,599 reinvigorating the institution. 700 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,999 What you're doing here is not about education. 701 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,639 This is political theatre. 702 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,839 And this requires a character that has strength... 703 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,839 I hold you responsible for using college students 704 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,679 as political pawns and unwilling subjects 705 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,119 in your great educational experiment. 706 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,399 ...that is willing to radically shake up an institution. 707 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,559 So you can be a bull in a China shop, 708 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,239 Corcoran, shattering academic freedom. 709 00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:41,719 Your time is up. 710 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:47,359 It's the most draconian attack on academic freedom in the nation! 711 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,359 Richard Corcoran has earned my confidence, 712 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,759 and for that reason, I'll be supporting him 713 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,399 as the permanent president of New College of Florida. 714 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,119 Richard Corcoran has a majority, 715 00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,840 so Richard Corcoran will be the new president of New College of Florida. 716 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,199 Finally, I want to publicly shame our president, 717 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,119 who has shown nothing but apathy and disregard for our student body, 718 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,519 our traditions, and to remind him 719 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,759 that he is not welcome or wanted on this campus. 720 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,759 Fuck you, Richard Corcoran! 721 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,400 CHEERING 722 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,759 Please... Please have him removed. 723 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:19,999 You're out. 724 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,399 Officer, please take him out. 725 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,319 This is not a hostile takeover. 726 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,319 This is like, let's get back to what was so wonderful. 727 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,799 It's clear as day 728 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,079 that the church that founded us wanted to create a wonderful, 729 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,839 great free speech, civil discourse, 730 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,200 classical liberal arts institution. 731 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,239 {\an8}Activist professors and administrators say very explicitly, 732 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,959 {\an8}"We want to turn the university into a recruiting ground 733 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,999 {\an8}"for partisan activists, to join the cause for BLM, 734 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,839 {\an8}"or for trans activism, 735 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,239 {\an8}"to participate in violent protests, 736 00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:57,759 "to push, you know, pseudoscientific and pseudo-academic disciplines 737 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,279 "like gender studies as a great truth." 738 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,759 And this is really the first attempt in American history 739 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,039 for conservatives to fight back against this process 740 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,479 and demand that the institution reflects 741 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,320 the political will of the people of Florida. 742 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,479 {\an8}One of the items that I discussed today with Governor DeSantis 743 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,999 and with legislators present 744 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,079 is that diversity, equity and inclusion, which sounds great, 745 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,319 but in practice divides people 746 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,519 and offers separate judgments on the basis of race and identity... 747 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,640 BOOING 748 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,479 My opinion does matter, actually, unfortunately for you. 749 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,079 Could I ask the audience to please offer... 750 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,439 My profession has always been around diversity, 751 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,879 equity and inclusion work. 752 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,199 I've been working in higher education for over 14 years, 753 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,279 creating an inclusive campus environment 754 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,679 and enriching experiences through programmes 755 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,639 and events and partnerships that we can cultivate. 756 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,679 It's a dead end job for a dead end ideology 757 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,079 that attracts dead end people. 758 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,279 What I'm trying to do is create a more positive 759 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,759 and welcoming community, 760 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,199 where everyone feels like they're being valued 761 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,839 and that they can be who they are without judgment. 762 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,719 We became the first public university 763 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,799 in the United States to abolish its DEI department. 764 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,639 We fired the DEI director, 765 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,200 and it's been a smashing success. 766 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,719 You have a due diligence as a board of trustees 767 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:30,479 to protect the institution and those who are attending it. 768 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,119 How are you going to support them? 769 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,999 How are they going to feel like they're a part of the institution 770 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,879 when you erase everybody of colour from your executive team? 771 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,279 If we look at the board of trustees, 772 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,999 if we're looking at who the leadership is now 773 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,720 at the table at New College, what do they look like? 774 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,799 And that's divisiveness, not DEI. 775 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,239 I don't call it a culture war. 776 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:54,799 What do you call it? 777 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,799 I call it... 778 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,319 ...white nationalism. 779 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,999 I call it racism. 780 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,840 I call it political erasure. 781 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,200 The changes at New College move fast. 782 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,159 And it didn't start with textbooks. 783 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,479 Students had already been doing work to get more bathrooms on campus 784 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,919 labelled as gender neutral or unisex. 785 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,159 One of the things that the new administration did 786 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,679 not long after they arrived 787 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,439 was literally rip the signs off the wall. 788 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,879 Like, there were pictures of, like, 789 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,359 the paint missing where the sign used to be. 790 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,999 {\an8}♪ Hit the road, Jack 791 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,519 {\an8}♪ And don't you come back 792 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,159 {\an8}♪ No more, no more no, no, no more 793 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,079 ♪ Hit the road, Jack... ♪ 794 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,999 At the same time, a very cruel slate 795 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,439 of anti-trans bills went into effect in Florida. 796 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,359 And one of them said that trans people must use the bathroom 797 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,039 that matches their sex assigned at birth. 798 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,599 ♪ Oh, hit the road, Jack. ♪ 799 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,759 So, the bathroom that I've been using 800 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,319 in my workplace for the last five years, 801 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,199 legally, I'm not supposed to use that bathroom any more, 802 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,799 even though all of my legal documentation lists me as male. 803 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,119 ♪ Hit the road... ♪ 804 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,639 If you believe that a man can become a woman, 805 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,439 or if you believe that a man can get pregnant 806 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,279 and give birth to a child, 807 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,439 what you're saying is simply not true. 808 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,039 And if you're saying something so obviously untrue, 809 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,079 that could be easily debunked by anyone 810 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,519 over the age of maybe three or four, 811 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,479 you do not merit a place in a scholarly institution. 812 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,959 I feel like the assumption that's underneath that 813 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,279 is, like, if queer people have a place 814 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,119 where they can be happy, something is wrong. 815 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,879 We have not only the right, but we have the obligation to say, 816 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,119 "I will not participate in this." 817 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,279 And that's why, for example, I don't use they/them pronouns, 818 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,759 or ze/zir pronouns much less. 819 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,879 I'm currently under 820 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,559 a Department of Education Civil Rights investigation, 821 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,999 following a complaint that I did not use ze/zir pronouns 822 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,919 for the New College of Florida's DEI director. 823 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,839 And I met her briefly when I first became a trustee. 824 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,599 - Erm... - You met zir. 825 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,919 I met... I met... 826 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,279 Yoleidy Rosario-Hernandez. 827 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,799 She was very sweet. 828 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,079 She was very nice. 829 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,639 I had a nice, er, pleasant engagement with her. 830 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,519 - And people say, well... - You just misgendered. - Misgendered? 831 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,199 - Yeah. Misgendered, yeah. - You just misgendered zir again. 832 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,879 A synonym for misgendering is accurate sexing. 833 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,919 When we're looking at pronouns, right, 834 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,079 it's very subjective to the person, 835 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:44,559 and for me and who I am and what rings great to me is ze/zir, 836 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,879 as someone who identifies as trans fluid 837 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,959 and has a really great adoration 838 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,159 for both feminine and masculine energies, right? 839 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,559 As well as gender neutral energies. 840 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,359 I'm not going to use ze/zir pronouns. 841 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,799 And you could say, well, that's unnecessarily aggressive, 842 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,039 or that's, you know, not being kind, nice, respectful, 843 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,799 empathetic, you know, 844 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,759 whatever therapeutic word you want to insert there. 845 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,759 The reason I'm doing that is because I want 846 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,599 New College of Florida to be the kind of institution 847 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,839 that will not buckle to fads, trends, ideologies. 848 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,319 And so we became the first public university 849 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:28,279 in the United States to abolish its gender studies programme. 850 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,719 And we did so unapologetically 851 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:31,079 because it was the right thing to do. 852 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,639 Gender studies has been a firm part of the mainstream 853 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,679 of American academics for 50 years. 854 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,719 This is not some fly-by-night pseudo-discipline. 855 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:46,399 This is an interdisciplinary area of study. 856 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,679 It combines science, social sciences and humanities, 857 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,720 and it is recognised as central to the American liberal arts. 858 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,399 In May, DeSantis visited New College 859 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,000 to sign three controversial education bills. 860 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,999 Florida's new bills spelled out what could and couldn't be taught. 861 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,239 Suddenly, it was conservatives wanting safe spaces 862 00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:15,199 from ideas they found harmful and writing them into law. 863 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,399 Some of these niche subjects like critical race theory, 864 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,519 other types of DEI-infused courses and majors, 865 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,199 Florida's getting out of that game. 866 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,919 If you want to do things like... gender ideology... 867 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,159 ...go to Berkeley. Go to some of these other places, that's fine! 868 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,759 APPLAUSE 869 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,119 Next to Governor DeSantis was Christopher Rufo, 870 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,639 a conservative activist. 871 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,319 So when we arrived, 872 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,679 this was interpreted by the kind of activists on campus 873 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,519 as a great affront. 874 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,199 - - We are going to win this fight! 875 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,039 {\an8}All of this shows Ron DeSantis who New College is, 876 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,479 {\an8}and why we care about what we care about. 877 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,479 I think we're louder in here than they are out there. 878 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,599 All right. 879 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,159 And it was Trustee Rufo who decided that, 880 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,199 instead of leaving campus peacefully, 881 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,479 he was going to walk through the crowd of protesters, 882 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,479 clearly as a stunt and a way to provoke us. 883 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,279 This is a student who is very excitable, 884 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,959 very passionate, very dedicated, 885 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,439 but she took it way over the line. 886 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,079 She was screaming at us... 887 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,199 ..."Suck my tranny dick", which was very artful 888 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,279 and anatomically incorrect, as we found out. 889 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,439 I approached him, and as a form of protest to show my disgust, 890 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,599 I spat towards the ground. 891 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,999 And it is alleged that some of that spittle 892 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,399 may have landed on the toe of Christopher Rufo's shoe. 893 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,919 She spat on me. 894 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,959 And, I mean, that's gross, right? 895 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,239 It's unsanitary, it's disrespectful. 896 00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:03,359 You know, this is kind of protest politics. It happens. 897 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,439 It's not necessarily the end of the world, 898 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,199 but one of the officers called me 899 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,199 and said, "Hey, look. This is a crime. 900 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:11,359 "This is a first degree battery. 901 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,359 "This is a violent crime under Florida law." 902 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,239 And when students cross that line 903 00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:19,639 from free speech to illegal violence, 904 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,679 there have to be consequences. 905 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,439 So, a deal was struck. 906 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:30,759 Rufo told my lawyer that he would have the charges dropped 907 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,999 if I were to, and this is how he put it, 908 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,200 "Leave and never come back." 909 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:40,760 Which... 910 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,359 ...was devastating. 911 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,199 That, to me, was an adequate resolution that established 912 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,719 a standard of civil discourse 913 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,639 but allowed this young woman to go on with her life 914 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,600 and be successful elsewhere. 915 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,320 I was removed from campus as a form of political retaliation... 916 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,240 ...and it didn't stop with me. 917 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,199 We're going to create a foothold at New College. 918 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,199 We're going to inspire the next generation of academics, 919 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,799 the next generation of citizens, 920 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,039 and the next generation of legislators, 921 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,879 who will look at this little, small university on the beach 922 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,519 in Sarasota, Florida, as the blueprint, as the model, 923 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:25,639 as something to be pursued, not just in Florida but everywhere. 924 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:26,839 Well, there you go. 925 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,839 Rufo had laid out the battle plan in detail - 926 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,639 abolish DEI, reshape the curriculum 927 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,799 and use higher education as a political weapon. 928 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,599 In the lead-up to the 2024 election, 929 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,559 Trump was campaigning with the same promise. 930 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,879 We're going to smash the Marxist 931 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,439 diversity, equity and inclusion bureaucracies. 932 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,159 I will also take historic action to defeat 933 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,839 the toxic poison of gender ideology. 934 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,839 And this was where my film was supposed to end, with a warning. 935 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,479 The campus culture war had come full circle 936 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,519 and opened the door to a hostile takeover... 937 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,639 The days of subsidising communist indoctrination in our colleges 938 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,159 will soon be over. 939 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,399 ...not with reform, but with blunt force intervention 940 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,920 that didn't distinguish between what was broken and what wasn't. 941 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,720 And then came a shock that redrew the battle lines. 942 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,839 It began at dawn, with Hamas militants 943 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,839 firing thousands of rockets into Israel from Gaza. 944 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,079 October 7th changed everything. 945 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,319 Israelis woke up today to find their worst nightmares 946 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,199 had come true. 947 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,039 A massive surprise attack. 948 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,919 Hamas using motorised paragliders 949 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,160 carrying heavily armed fighters deep into Israeli territory. 950 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,479 It is not clear right now 951 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,639 how many Israelis have been taken hostage by Hamas. 952 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,919 While Israelis were still counting their dead 953 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,519 and families waited for news of hostages, 954 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,240 a wave of Western campuses were already blaming Israel. 955 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,199 Harvard in the hot seat now 956 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,199 after failing to swiftly respond and denounce a letter posted by 957 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,479 a student-run Harvard Palestine Solidarity Group... 958 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,199 The letter was co-signed by 33 other student organisations. 959 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,519 ...holding the Israeli regime entirely responsible 960 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,640 for all unfolding violence. 961 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,879 For me, the shock wasn't just what the students were saying. 962 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,240 It was the timing. 963 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,639 In the months that followed, 964 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,760 the human cost in Gaza would be overwhelming. 965 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,559 But this was only one day after Hamas's gruesome attack on Israelis, 966 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,959 and already across campuses, 967 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,200 it was being framed as a reasonable form of resistance. 968 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,079 Do you guys remember 969 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,959 the photos of the bulldozer breaking through the border? 970 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,119 - Yes! - And the several other joyful and powerful images 971 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,599 which came from the glorious October 7th? 972 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,279 Yes! 973 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,399 Images of the paragliders Hamas used in the attack 974 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,039 were turned into campus poster art - 975 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,999 transformed into symbols of liberation, 976 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,800 by any means necessary. 977 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,719 We are so horrible for showing a paraglider? 978 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:01,999 What about their jets? 979 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,879 Israeli jets have killed thousands 980 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,559 and thousands of thousands of Palestinians, but that's OK? 981 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:12,599 As this was playing out on campuses, Christopher Rufo was watching. 982 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,439 Much has happened since we first met, 983 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,239 especially in the field of higher education. 984 00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:21,919 The events of October 7th in Israel and Gaza, 985 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,799 I think changed everything. 986 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,639 I think anyone with even a meagre conscience 987 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:31,399 could see that this was a barbaric act of terror, 988 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,159 savagery, butchery. 989 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,919 And it seemed like the only people who could not immediately see that 990 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,199 were American academics. 991 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,880 They were able to breathe for the first time in years! 992 00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:50,319 It was exhilarating. 993 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,160 And if they weren't exhilarated... 994 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,679 ...by this... this challenge to the monopoly of violence, 995 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,439 by this shifting of the balance of power, 996 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,519 then they would not be human. 997 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,719 I was exhilarated! 998 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:06,600 CHEERING 999 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,199 I've always believed in free speech, 1000 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,679 defended it, even when it was hard. 1001 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,079 But this felt personal. 1002 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,279 I'm Jewish and I have family and friends in Israel, 1003 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,399 many who oppose their own government's policies 1004 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,919 and sympathise with Palestinian suffering. 1005 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,559 So watching a Cornell professor 1006 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,999 call the October 7th attacks "exhilarating", 1007 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,039 "energising", was hard to process. 1008 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,199 He wasn't some anonymous voice online. 1009 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,719 He was a tenured Ivy League professor 1010 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:39,679 who appeared to be celebrating mass murder. 1011 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,360 I needed to know what was happening on that campus... 1012 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,600 ...so I headed to Cornell. 1013 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,759 A Cornell professor is under fire 1014 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,519 after he called the attack on Israel "exhilarating". 1015 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,679 Russell Rickford spoke out at a pro-Palestinian rally on Sunday. 1016 00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,720 Listen to the absolute bile coming out of this man's mouth. 1017 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,559 I saw Russell Rickford's speech 1018 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,719 because I was the speaker who followed him at that rally. 1019 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:12,159 That speech talked about the long history 1020 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,359 of Jewish and black resistance and civil rights. 1021 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,199 It talked about the ways in which that as a community 1022 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,199 that is fighting for justice for everyone, 1023 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,439 we need to love each other and support each other. 1024 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,799 Professor Rickford, he made his comments, 1025 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,199 which I still maintain were taken out of context. 1026 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,600 That became an international... 1027 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,399 Can I say shitstorm? 1028 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,599 I hope that people can go back and read the transcript, 1029 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,599 because if anything, that speech brought people together 1030 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,240 in a way that I have never seen before. 1031 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,959 So I did go back and watch the entire speech, 1032 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,239 but I didn't hear the rally Bianca heard 1033 00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:54,640 unifying a movement for love and support. 1034 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,199 There was no room for Israelis, Jewish or not, 1035 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,879 who wanted peace, but also a country to call home. 1036 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,200 He was framing it all through an anti-colonial lens. 1037 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,520 And through that lens, Hamas was an anti-colonial force. 1038 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,319 And he came uncomfortably close 1039 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,720 to justifying the deliberate targeting of civilians. 1040 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,199 Disturbing as I found it, I knew it was his right to say it. 1041 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,559 Still, I kept thinking, what if this man was teaching my kids? 1042 00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,159 CHANTING 1043 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,279 It felt like an oversimplified lens 1044 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,199 projected onto a conflict half a world away, 1045 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,400 and it shut down any chance of conversation. 1046 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:17,919 People are complex, 1047 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,200 and this binary of oppressed and not oppressed... 1048 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:29,959 ...white or non-white, is... ludicrous 1049 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,359 and against the very ideals of nuance and understanding 1050 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,919 that progressivism is supposed to be, 1051 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,320 or at least the way I thought it was supposed to be. 1052 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,759 Campus protests against Israel's war in Gaza are continuing 1053 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,839 to grow across the US. 1054 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,279 Cornell University has joined the list. 1055 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,279 Dozens of students from groups including 1056 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,559 the Coalition for Mutual Liberation... 1057 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,239 ...started a pro-Palestine encampment. 1058 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,759 - Free, free... - Palestine! 1059 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,279 I think for me, a university is a key battleground amongst many. 1060 00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,399 I think university's a key battleground. 1061 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:25,159 I think the war of narratives, the battle of ideas, 1062 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,599 which then go on to shape public opinion, 1063 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,879 happens a lot and is produced at universities. 1064 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,919 People who have been starved by the colonial 1065 00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,519 Zionist entity of Israel... 1066 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,479 We hope through our campaigns 1067 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,519 that other students become more radicalised. 1068 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,039 The occupation's got to go! 1069 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,319 ...cannot bring down people power! 1070 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,640 CHEERING 1071 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,239 There's growing international pressure on Israel 1072 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:52,879 to halt the fighting. 1073 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,119 As diplomacy fails, desperation in Gaza increases. 1074 00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,239 Before we go further, I need to say this plainly. 1075 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,039 October 7th was a massacre, 1076 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,199 and the scale of civilian death in Gaza 1077 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,399 from Israel's military assault is devastating. 1078 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,560 Both are true. 1079 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,879 So I understand protest, 1080 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,199 the need to stand up when you're convinced something is wrong. 1081 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,439 But alongside the real grief and outrage, 1082 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,959 I started to recognise something else at work. 1083 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,559 This is the last fight, the last fight of Western imperialism, 1084 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,199 and it's nearing collapse. 1085 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,199 It appeared on campuses long before this conflict. 1086 00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,679 It was about power - who has it and who doesn't. 1087 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,039 Do you stand with the elite institution, 1088 00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:39,999 or do you stand with the working people? 1089 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,199 CHEERING 1090 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,600 An ideology woven into the fabric of education itself. 1091 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,399 {\an8}We actually need to crash the US settler state. 1092 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,639 {\an8}The moment that you grab the gun, you're no longer oppressed. 1093 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,279 {\an8}You're now free. 1094 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,479 How do we teach that in the class? 1095 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,119 The more I looked, the more it felt familiar. 1096 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,319 The revolutionary politics of the '60s and '70s 1097 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:05,799 back in circulation, 1098 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,920 like something pulled straight out of an old campus archive. 1099 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,599 - - Gaza, Gaza, don't you cry! 1100 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,079 Palestine will never die! 1101 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,719 I'm a PhD student in Africana. 1102 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,999 For those who know, Africana was built out of an armed occupation. 1103 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,959 {\an8}In 1969, students demanding an Africana study centre 1104 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,720 {\an8}occupied, with arms, Willard Straight, demanding that right. 1105 01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,559 I didn't know what Africana was. 1106 01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,719 Turns out, it's what's often called Black Studies, 1107 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,919 {\an8}a field born out of the campus protests of the '60s, 1108 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,119 when black students wanted their history reflected 1109 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,999 in an overwhelmingly white curriculum. 1110 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,399 One of the most famous protests happened here at Cornell. 1111 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:59,119 So, what drew me to Africana is a long tradition of activism, 1112 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,239 a long tradition of taking up causes 1113 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,719 for those who you believe are oppressed. 1114 01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,799 Who is the oppressor? Who is the oppressed? 1115 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,959 These were the same ideas that I'd heard come up at Evergreen... 1116 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,319 The oppressor. 1117 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,559 - ...York... - A lens of victimhood. 1118 01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:14,719 ...in conferences... 1119 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,479 We ain't just internally colonised... 1120 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:17,519 ...at Harvard... 1121 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,959 An oppression of minoritized communities. 1122 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,360 ...the same script adapted to every college major. 1123 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,479 Mathematics has supported 1124 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,079 {\an8}white supremacist capitalist patriarchy. 1125 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,999 Gender is a colonial imposition. 1126 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,559 And sometimes, it just lost me. 1127 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,479 Sort of the dimension of queerness and feminism, insofar as 1128 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,639 Islam, homonationalism, pinkwashing. 1129 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,399 I think I've practically been the only one to hold my classes 1130 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:49,559 in the encampment. 1131 01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,959 On queer and feminist Bipoc traditions 1132 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,039 from decolonial abolitionist perspectives, 1133 01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,119 that's what I was here to teach. 1134 01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:57,719 Colonialism as a structure... 1135 01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,639 Once this critical social justice ideology was launched, 1136 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,199 it pulled everything into its orbit - 1137 01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,759 colonialism, queerness, patriarchy, 1138 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,759 white supremacy, climate change, 1139 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:14,679 {\an8}and now Zionism, with Palestine at its symbolic core. 1140 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,679 People believe that if you're pro-Israel, 1141 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,519 you're pro-oppressor, and if you're pro-oppressor, 1142 01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:24,679 you're pro-slavery, you're pro, you know, 1143 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,879 like, stealing of indigenous land. 1144 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,399 Cornell's founding was enabled in the course 1145 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,639 of a national genocide 1146 01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,559 by the sale of almost one million acres of stolen Indian land. 1147 01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:39,719 And just as Native Americans are the indigenous people of the US, 1148 01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:40,959 Turtle Island, 1149 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:45,359 so Palestinians are the indigenous people of Israel-Palestine. 1150 01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:51,879 Professors are deeply problematic at creating this hostile environment 1151 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,359 by not exposing their students to a range of ideas 1152 01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,159 and only pushing one particular narrative. 1153 01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:59,959 I think it's a diverse faculty, 1154 01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:03,879 and so I don't think any single professor can or should be bound 1155 01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,599 to give all points of view. 1156 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,879 It doesn't unite. It just pushes us apart, 1157 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,440 which is really sad. 1158 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,119 I approached Professor Rickford at several rallies, 1159 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:24,840 but he declined an interview... 1160 01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:27,879 ...I assume, because his viral speech 1161 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,520 had already made him a target for online threats. 1162 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,800 {\an8}Still, I wondered how much influence professors like him... 1163 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,680 {\an8}...had on students like Momodou. 1164 01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,079 The reason why I find myself having affinity to Palestine 1165 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,359 is that my faith commands me and instructs me to, 1166 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,839 like, stand for justice and always side with those who are oppressed. 1167 01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:24,399 Last week, we saw the honourable Aaron Bushnell achieve martyrdom. 1168 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,839 He gave the greatest act of refusal. 1169 01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,559 My name is Aaron Bushnell. 1170 01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:32,800 I am an active duty member Of the United States Air Force... 1171 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,880 ...and I will no longer be complicit in genocide. 1172 01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,080 I'm about to engage in an extreme act of protest. 1173 01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,160 Hi, sir. Can I help you? 1174 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,160 Can I help you, sir? 1175 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,079 - Free Palestine. - Hey. Hey! - Free Palestine! 1176 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:11,439 Free Palestine! 1177 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:12,959 Man's on fire! Man's on fire! 1178 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,079 SCREAMING Free Palestine! 1179 01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:17,440 Get on the ground! 1180 01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,559 He will carry on the torch of protesting 1181 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,079 and fighting against this imperialist system. 1182 01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,199 I think what Aaron Bushnell had done, for many of us, 1183 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,239 is a call to action. 1184 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:38,359 And as someone who's a Muslim, martyrdom or dying in the way 1185 01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:44,319 of a just cause is very much a weighty, lofty and rewarded thing. 1186 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:45,999 So I was trying to make the connection between 1187 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,080 Aaron Bushnell, martyrdom and Islam. 1188 01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,759 Absolutely not, but I think the fact 1189 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,880 that he has got that desperate says something. 1190 01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,399 Yeah, I mean, it's not... Again, I see... When I read his posts, 1191 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,559 this is someone who has a clear mind, who knows what they're doing, 1192 01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:09,199 and I think it's unfair to say he was a mad man or... 1193 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,959 Because he was very lucid and his will was quite clear, 1194 01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,639 why he's doing what he's doing. 1195 01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:17,519 Again, that's not, for me, a tactic that ever should be, like, promoted, 1196 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,199 but for me, it's not about focusing on the act itself, 1197 01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,439 but rather what it represents. 1198 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,840 He gave the greatest act of refusal. 1199 01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,679 He engaged in the greatest act of protest, 1200 01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,839 and the bare minimum we can do to honour his legacy 1201 01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,680 is to say, "Not in our name." 1202 01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,279 Protest has always been part of campus life, 1203 01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,959 but praising self-immolation as the greatest form of protest 1204 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,239 isn't what I expected to hear on an Ivy League campus. 1205 01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,520 And it left no room for dialogue. 1206 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,719 I was walking outside my class and there was an installation 1207 01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,719 of about 100 white flags on the ground, 1208 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,599 scattered in a circle, and I walk up and I found two women, 1209 01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:03,879 and I said, what is this? 1210 01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,719 And they said, "Oh, it's a memorial to commemorate 1211 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,279 "the lives lost in the genocides of Congo, 1212 01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:11,999 "Palestine and other places." 1213 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,999 And I said, "What about those who were brutally killed in Israel 1214 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,599 "on October 7th by Hamas?" 1215 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,399 And they said, "Well, we actually have a rabbi, 1216 01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,719 "Jewish representatives coming, 1217 01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,759 "and they are represented in these flags." 1218 01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:24,879 And I said, "Well, that's..." Like, I said, "Thank you. 1219 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,639 "That's exactly what we need. We need to stand together. 1220 01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,719 "We need people to see a rabbi standing next to an imam." 1221 01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:36,160 So, we had a conversation that was fairly heated and emotional... 1222 01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,479 ...for 45 minutes with two Arab women. 1223 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,319 We each cried at one point, we exchanged numbers, 1224 01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,999 and at one point they asked me, "Well, then why are you here?" 1225 01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,599 And I said, "Well, I'm here because I'm a proud Zionist, 1226 01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,839 "and what it means to me to be a Zionist is to push my country 1227 01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:07,839 "to continue being better. 1228 01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:11,679 "And I want to stand with you, and I want to understand what I can do." 1229 01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,639 And Mamadou overheard me say I was a proud Zionist, 1230 01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:16,879 and he immediately came over. 1231 01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,719 And at this point, he said, "You said you're a Zionist? 1232 01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,479 "You're the reason we're all here." You're the reason they're all dead. 1233 01:08:23,480 --> 01:08:24,799 "You're a racist country." 1234 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,679 And then he turns to everyone around and he says, "Here, everyone, 1235 01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,319 "you know what? This girl, she's a proud Zionist. 1236 01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,120 "She's a racist and that's how we're going to know her." 1237 01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:39,319 And I was like... I was just dumbfounded. 1238 01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,119 And he said at one point he said, "You're disrupting us 1239 01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,359 "with your Zionism." And I looked at the two women I was speaking to 1240 01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,279 and I said, "Have I been disruptive to you?" 1241 01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:50,759 And they both said, "No, Momodou, stop." He didn't stop berating me, 1242 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,319 and then at that point, I turned to him and I said, 1243 01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,119 "This is the problem that we have, 1244 01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,679 "that people like you are so angry that we can't 1245 01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,439 even have a proper discourse in this country." 1246 01:09:00,440 --> 01:09:01,839 There should be dialogue. 1247 01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,519 I'm just not that person. 1248 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:08,119 I understand the call for nuance, I really do, but I don't understand 1249 01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,599 why there's a call for nuance when we believe it is racism. 1250 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,519 I would not two-sides racism, I won't two-sides homophobia. 1251 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,999 I want two-sides white supremacy. So I don't... 1252 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,559 I'm a bit confused at this call for two-sidesing of the issue. 1253 01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,999 The Zionists are losing ground. They are cowards. 1254 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,359 They are scared and our global movement is growing daily. 1255 01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:33,839 {\an8}I have seen chat posts that detail Zionism being fascism, 1256 01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,279 {\an8}Zionism is the same thing as being a Nazi, 1257 01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,599 and honestly, it's no surprise to why half the student body, 1258 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,599 if not more, hates Zionists. 1259 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,759 It's because they don't know what it means to be a Zionist. 1260 01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,399 I think Zionism is white supremacy. 1261 01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:51,119 I think Zionism is a form of racism and the settler colonial entity, 1262 01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:58,319 and I think no amount of conflating with Judaism as a religion 1263 01:09:58,320 --> 01:09:59,879 is going to make me change my mind. 1264 01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:01,519 Zionism isn't an ugly word. 1265 01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,479 It's just been twisted to be that. 1266 01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:08,239 And it was the idea that Jews have the right to their own homeland, 1267 01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,879 their own state, and it's not intended to preclude 1268 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,039 the idea that there should be a Palestinian state, 1269 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,399 and I think that's probably the most important thing 1270 01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,000 that gets lost in translation. 1271 01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,239 - Rick. - Yeah. - I just forwarded you an email 1272 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,719 that I just got from a professor. 1273 01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:37,679 I guess word got out that we've been on campus. 1274 01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,759 - Check it out. - OK. Oh, my God. 1275 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,479 The following was posted by the camp today, the encampments, right? 1276 01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:44,519 Perhaps you've seen it. 1277 01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,479 "Update on documentary crew. Please wear masks. 1278 01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:50,959 "The director, who is a Zionist, is on site. 1279 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,599 "Be wary of what you are saying around them 1280 01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,799 "and guard yourself from a potentially unfriendly crew." 1281 01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,839 I mean, are you kidding? Zionist has become a dirty word. 1282 01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,599 - So... - Why do they think you're a Zionist? - I don't know. 1283 01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,479 I think we should speak to Zionists 1284 01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:05,999 and I think we should speak to anti-Zionists. 1285 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,720 Well, we're doing that, I think. 1286 01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,919 Last time I spoke with the encampment crowd, they were open to talking, 1287 01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,599 but something changed. 1288 01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,319 {\an8}I think it's conditional when just Garfield and whoever is, like, 1289 01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,279 {\an8}filming or doing audio to do the interview. 1290 01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:21,999 The only thing is that Ric is the director. 1291 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,159 So would it be OK 1292 01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,759 if it was just Ric and the camera person instead of me? 1293 01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,999 - I don't think so. - Can I ask you something? 1294 01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,479 - Sure. - We got an email. "Update on documentary crew, 1295 01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:34,679 "and the director, who is a Zionist, is on site. Be wary of 1296 01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,399 "what you're saying around them and guard yourself." 1297 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:37,799 Is that what this is coming from? 1298 01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,279 I think like in terms of our discussions with Zionists 1299 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:45,199 and how Zionists have been towards the movement, 1300 01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:49,919 they haven't been engaging in dialogue that has been productive. 1301 01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,480 {\an8}What does Zionist means to you that implies that it would not be fair? 1302 01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,439 But you can still believe that there could be 1303 01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:03,279 a state of Israel and care about Palestinian rights 1304 01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,999 and the need for Palestinians to have a homeland? 1305 01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,119 Mm-hm. No, that's a very fair point. 1306 01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,519 That's honestly not something I've heard too much, 1307 01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,079 because a lot of Zionists on campus have been very... 1308 01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:16,559 ...not open to discussion, 1309 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:21,159 and I think, like, that's what a lot of people are wary of. 1310 01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,799 Once I was labelled a Zionist without ever being asked 1311 01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,079 what I believe, the conversation was over. 1312 01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:28,799 The Zionists will fall 1313 01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,799 and I can't wait to see all of you in the liberated Palestine. 1314 01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:38,120 Israel will fall, Israel will fall. Israel will fall! 1315 01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,759 I imagined how I would feel if I was a Jewish student right now, 1316 01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:46,639 walking to class through these protests and hearing these slogans. 1317 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,639 - - Free, free, Palestine! 1318 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,999 Free, free Palestine! 1319 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,119 This one's easy - a call for freedom. 1320 01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,199 No problem standing with that. 1321 01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,639 But on campuses around the world, the chants didn't stop there. 1322 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,079 {\an8}From the river to the sea! 1323 01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,159 Palestine will be free! 1324 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,119 {\an8}From the river to the sea! 1325 01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:06,759 Palestine will be free! 1326 01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:11,399 This one's harder. Some hear it as a call for Palestinian liberation. 1327 01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,080 Others hear it as a call to erase Israel. 1328 01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,719 For me, "Globalise the intifada" lands like a threat - 1329 01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,959 and I heard that fear from students too. 1330 01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,279 I couldn't help wondering - why not "Ceasefire now", 1331 01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,839 "Peace for everyone," "Two states for two peoples"? 1332 01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,199 As someone who speaks Arabic, it's important 1333 01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,759 that intifada comes from the root word "nafada", 1334 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,719 which means just like the breaking off of chains, right? 1335 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,599 So I think that language first and foremost, 1336 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,279 again, is also rooted in, like, an Islamic-phobia, 1337 01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:53,759 Islamophobia, also rooted 1338 01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,959 in the painting the Muslim as the other, 1339 01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,719 painting Arabic-sounding words as the other, painting... 1340 01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:00,679 {\an8}Like, there's almost a fear around that, right? 1341 01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,439 {\an8}Intifada, intifada! 1342 01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:06,639 Sure, the word intifada might have poetic roots, 1343 01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,319 but in modern history, it's tied to uprisings 1344 01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:13,639 in the West Bank and Gaza and the targeting of Israelis. 1345 01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,399 That's the association the word carries for me - 1346 01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,520 not because of Islamophobia, but because of history. 1347 01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,199 So when people chant "Globalise the intifada", 1348 01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:25,720 what exactly do they mean? 1349 01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,999 {\an8}The moment you start chanting, "There's only one solution, 1350 01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,079 {\an8}"Intifada revolution," which is a genocidal chant, 1351 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:38,399 I'm sorry, your intentions are not for dialogue or to speak your mind. 1352 01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:42,159 Your intentions are to cause violence and to hate people. 1353 01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:43,919 Go back to Europe. 1354 01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,319 - You're from Europe. - I'm a New Yorker. - You're from Europe. 1355 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:47,360 I'm a New Yorker. 1356 01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,519 My mother survived Auschwitz in Poland. 1357 01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,639 My grandparents were murdered there, so no thanks. 1358 01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,399 I'm not going back. 1359 01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,719 But if I were a student hearing that on campus... 1360 01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,039 Zionists, they're Nazis. 1361 01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,359 ...it wouldn't feel especially inclusive. 1362 01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:13,479 {\an8}They're Nazis. They're fascists. They're supporters of genocide. 1363 01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:15,679 Someone, in the chat, right now, 1364 01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:19,319 should people who are supporters of genocide, 1365 01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:24,359 should Zionists - aka Nazis, white supremacists - 1366 01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:25,560 should they live? 1367 01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:27,960 Should they live? 1368 01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:32,559 If you say something about black people, 1369 01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:36,559 gay people, disabled people, whomever it may be, 1370 01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,839 you'll probably get kicked out of our school, 1371 01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,119 suspended, cancelled, whatever it may be. 1372 01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,240 What I'm seeing is just... 1373 01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,759 ...there is a defence of everyone's rights 1374 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,919 but Jewish people's rights. 1375 01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:56,799 I'd say that as a trans person, I've been very lucky. 1376 01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,359 Cornell is a very accepting place. 1377 01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,039 I've had much more difficulty 1378 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,879 being Jewish than I have being trans. 1379 01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,759 There's absolutely a double standard when it comes to 1380 01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:13,879 who has the free speech rights to voice their opinions. 1381 01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:17,079 And when it comes from the hyper progressive left, 1382 01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:21,280 there's a free pass to say whatever you want. 1383 01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:31,599 Ms Magill, at Penn, does calling for the genocide of Jews 1384 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,879 violate Penn's rules or code of conduct, 1385 01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:39,079 - yes or no? - If it... If the speech... - Yes or no. 1386 01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,919 If the speech becomes conduct, it can be harassment, yes. 1387 01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,960 Conduct meaning committing the act of genocide? 1388 01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,959 {\an8}This was a turning point. 1389 01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,319 {\an8}For years, conservatives had been circling, 1390 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,279 waiting for an opening. 1391 01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:55,799 Now, they had one - 1392 01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,119 {\an8}a chance to expose how higher education embraced... 1393 01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,439 The ideology of the radical left. 1394 01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:04,679 {\an8}Illiberal sewers of intolerance and bigotry. 1395 01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,120 On your campuses. 1396 01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,159 Their first assault was in the political theatre of Congress, 1397 01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:12,879 designed for viral clips. 1398 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,239 Dr Gay, a Harvard student calling 1399 01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,239 for the mass murder of African-Americans is not protected 1400 01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,479 free speech at Harvard, correct? 1401 01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:23,720 - Our commitment to free speech... - It's a yes or no question. 1402 01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,199 You have university presidents in the hot seat 1403 01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:29,599 and then the congressmen and congresswomen up on the dais, 1404 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:34,799 and they're grilling people trying to get a kind of viral clip. 1405 01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,039 That's how the game is played. 1406 01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,599 I will ask you one more time - 1407 01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,199 does calling for the genocide of Jews 1408 01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,479 violate Harvard's rules of bullying and harassment? 1409 01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:47,159 Yes or no? 1410 01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,639 It can be, depending on the context. 1411 01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,120 It depends on the context. 1412 01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,439 And you've got to think like, what is this per... 1413 01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:00,639 What is she thinking? I mean, this is like such a softball, 1414 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,839 such a slam dunk. 1415 01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:04,279 {\an8}The damage was done. 1416 01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,999 {\an8}Universities claim to defend free speech, 1417 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,279 {\an8}but their evasions seemed to reveal a glaring double standard. 1418 01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:11,639 What's the context? 1419 01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:15,879 {\an8}Stefanik and her party now had an arsenal of stories like Bret's, 1420 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,359 {\an8}Erec's, Zack's, Lee's and Carole's, 1421 01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,599 to use as examples of the universities' intolerance. 1422 01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:25,919 In the end, it was the institutions' failure to uphold 1423 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:31,319 {\an8}the very principles they preached that exposed a damaging hypocrisy. 1424 01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,199 {\an8}It's in the exercise of our freedom to speak 1425 01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:37,399 that we reveal the character of our institution. 1426 01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,799 Our university rejects the harassment 1427 01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,519 or intimidation of individuals based on their beliefs. 1428 01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:48,119 No, they don't. They explicitly do not do that. 1429 01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:51,439 This is offensive to me because it's not true. 1430 01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:52,919 It's just not true. 1431 01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,159 She was one person who could have defended my right 1432 01:18:56,160 --> 01:19:00,760 to express my views, and so this is just empty. Very empty to me. 1433 01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:07,119 And our university embraces a commitment to free expression. 1434 01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,799 - "That commitment extends..." - ...even to views 1435 01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:14,919 that many of us find objectionable, even outrageous, even outrageous. 1436 01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:15,999 In my case, 1437 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:20,079 it didn't even extend to views that almost everyone agrees with, 1438 01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,079 which are totally obvious. 1439 01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:26,799 That is why I became the poster child for Harvard's hypocrisy. 1440 01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,759 Carole Hooven, an evolutionary biologist, 1441 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,799 was forced to resign because she stated 1442 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,879 that a person's sex is biological and binary. 1443 01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:38,599 And so President Gay, 1444 01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:43,600 in what world is a call for violence against Jews protected speech... 1445 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,479 ...but a belief that sex is biological and binary isn't? 1446 01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:50,479 This is why I've called for your resignation. 1447 01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:53,240 These are unacceptable answers across the board. 1448 01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,879 {\an8}This was so shocking that I think it really cut through the noise, 1449 01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:03,239 and seeing this anti-Semitism on campus laid bare, 1450 01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,279 and then understanding it within the framework 1451 01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,679 of left-wing decolonisation theory, 1452 01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:11,039 I think, connected the dots for a lot of people who, 1453 01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:14,159 you know, previously might have felt that something was off, 1454 01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,559 but it was not quite clear, and then they couldn't 1455 01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,239 attach it to the ideology. 1456 01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:23,879 I think that illusion has been now dispelled. 1457 01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,559 {\an8}While anti-Semitism on campus is real, 1458 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,959 {\an8}here, it was being exploited to score points. 1459 01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,079 {\an8}And the hearings worked. 1460 01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:36,639 {\an8}"It depends on the context" became the clip that ended careers 1461 01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:40,599 and attracted conservative activists like moths to a flame. 1462 01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,239 I'm actually at Harvard Yard right now, 1463 01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,039 where we have our mobile billboard, 1464 01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,119 along with two U-Haul moving trucks - 1465 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,359 because after all, it's moving day for Claudine Gay. 1466 01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,959 Hey, guys, what do you think about Claudine Gay resigning from Harvard? 1467 01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:55,479 Adam Guillette, known for his confrontational tactics, 1468 01:20:55,480 --> 01:20:58,159 came looking for outrage and found it. 1469 01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,999 Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, Fuck you. 1470 01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,399 Well, you're cool. You're just walking around. 1471 01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,679 You guys are fucking sick. You're a fucking disgusting, 1472 01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,319 just gross, little man. 1473 01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,919 So, you don't think the moving trucks are a good idea, 1474 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,879 or should we have gone with Ryder rather than U-Haul? 1475 01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:15,919 "Should we have gone with Ryder?" Get a real fucking job, 1476 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:17,479 you fucking prick. How about that, 1477 01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:19,599 you Zionist fucking disgusting bitch? 1478 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,759 I hate y'all, dude. I fucking hate y'all. 1479 01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:26,079 Claudine Gay wasn't the first, and she wouldn't be the last. 1480 01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:30,199 Under pressure from Congress, alumni, donors and the media, 1481 01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,520 a string of university presidents were compelled to resign. 1482 01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,919 {\an8}But on campuses, the protests dragged on for months - 1483 01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,520 occupied halls, disrupted classes. 1484 01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,160 The lines had blurred between protest and threat... 1485 01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:54,119 ...dissent and disruption, legitimate criticism of Israel 1486 01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:56,240 and anti-Semitism. 1487 01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:02,959 A conflict thousands of miles away divided campuses into battlefields. 1488 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,519 And now Trump, hot on the campaign trail, 1489 01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:09,280 had a new rallying cry for his war on higher education. 1490 01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:14,839 {\an8}To every college president, I say, remove the encampments immediately, 1491 01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,999 {\an8}vanquish the radicals and take back our campuses 1492 01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,999 {\an8}for all of the normal students 1493 01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,719 {\an8}who want a safe place from which to learn. 1494 01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,439 {\an8}Give me a reason why you're doing this. 1495 01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:30,319 {\an8}Oh, my God, you people are fascists! You are Hitler! 1496 01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,639 {\an8}I'm peacefully protesting and they're fucking arrested me. 1497 01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,960 {\an8}They arrested over 100 individuals, then suspended them. 1498 01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,079 {\an8}Cornell University is suspending enrolment 1499 01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:45,000 {\an8}and study for students that participate in campus protests. 1500 01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,479 The school is alleging that I was involved 1501 01:22:56,480 --> 01:22:59,999 in the organisation of an unauthorised encampment on campus. 1502 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:01,879 The tents here have to go. 1503 01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:03,639 It will be a permanent moral stain 1504 01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,759 on the legacy of this university forever. 1505 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,399 The school is alleging that I led chants 1506 01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,639 that became disruptive for university activity. 1507 01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,119 That signals to me that there's something profoundly wrong 1508 01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:17,199 about our university's ability to guarantee our freedom of expression 1509 01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:18,720 on campus. 1510 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:25,519 You have elite academic institutions that are self-destructing, 1511 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,359 that have been exposed ideologically. 1512 01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:32,759 Should power change hands after the election this year, 1513 01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:37,039 I know for a fact that there are significant changes 1514 01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,000 coming to American higher education. 1515 01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,280 Look what has happened. Is this crazy? 1516 01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:53,679 ♪ The jukebox is pounding The bar is lit with smoke 1517 01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,319 ♪ The patrons, they've been brawling... ♪ 1518 01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,919 {\an8}Free speech used to be a shared value, no matter the politics. 1519 01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:02,519 I'm a very strong person for free speech. 1520 01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,679 Now, it's a weapon wielded by those in power. 1521 01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:07,959 ♪ The last dance... ♪ 1522 01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,920 Our country will be woke no longer. 1523 01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:18,759 It's Physics 101 - for every action, there's an opposite reaction. 1524 01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:23,719 On campus, a movement for fairness and inclusion slid into zealotry. 1525 01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:25,639 Supercharged by social media, 1526 01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:27,799 certain ideas became blasphemy 1527 01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:31,199 and disagreements put professors and students in the crosshairs. 1528 01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,719 It's not a debate. It's not a debate. 1529 01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,319 And when the pendulum swung back, 1530 01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:38,199 it was more like a wrecking ball swinging hard to the right, 1531 01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:39,959 with a reality TV grin. 1532 01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:43,519 I've notified every single government DEI officer 1533 01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,639 that their job has been deleted. 1534 01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:50,359 They're gone. They're fired. You're fired! 1535 01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:54,119 The culture war hasn't left campus, it's been taken over by government. 1536 01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,879 {\an8}We have to honestly and aggressively attack 1537 01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:58,919 the universities in this country. 1538 01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:03,039 {\an8}By weaponising anti-Semitism through lawsuits and funding freezes, 1539 01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:06,279 {\an8}Trump was executing on a campaign promise. 1540 01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:10,239 College presidents must end the anti-Semitic propaganda, 1541 01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:12,639 {\an8}or they will lose their accreditation 1542 01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:16,839 {\an8}and they will lose all federal support. 1543 01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:20,639 {\an8}He has threatened us through extortion with a billion-dollar fine 1544 01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:22,119 {\an8}unless we do his bidding. 1545 01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,319 {\an8}Freezing more than $2 billion in research funds. 1546 01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:27,119 {\an8}The impacts of those cuts will be severe 1547 01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,639 {\an8}to cutting-edge cures for cancer, cures for diseases. 1548 01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:32,559 These actions are not about anti-Semitism. 1549 01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,079 {\an8}They're about authoritarianism. 1550 01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:35,279 You're going to be under arrest. 1551 01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,759 It was a warning to anyone who spoke out... 1552 01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,719 {\an8}A Tufts University graduate student... 1553 01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:42,799 {\an8}Handcuffed and taken away by plainclothes ICE agents. 1554 01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:47,079 ...and activists like Momodou suddenly faced the blunt edge of state power. 1555 01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:49,399 Momodou Taal had his visa revoked 1556 01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,159 and decided to leave the country before ICE could catch him. 1557 01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:55,279 It was a ticking time bomb until I'm picked up off the streets. 1558 01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:56,919 Every time I find one of these lunatics, 1559 01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:58,559 I take away their visa. 1560 01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,559 For all their differences, 1561 01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,359 the extremes have something in common - 1562 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:08,359 the same impulse to use power to silence what they can't tolerate. 1563 01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,199 ♪ I see you in the shadows... ♪ 1564 01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,519 If I've learned anything going back to school, it's this - 1565 01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:17,519 if we want to hold on to our fragile democracy, 1566 01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,919 we've got to defend free speech, 1567 01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,960 even when it's hard, especially when it's personal. 1568 01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:26,719 Because once speech becomes a privilege 1569 01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:31,199 granted or revoked by those in power, it isn't free any more. 1570 01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,519 It's just power, 1571 01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,600 and then it's not just speech we're losing. 1572 01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:38,400 It's conversation... 1573 01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:42,439 ...the ability to speak across differences. 1574 01:26:42,440 --> 01:26:43,680 That's what's at stake. 1575 01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:50,080 So we better start talking again before we forget how. 1576 01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,479 At least that's what I think. 1577 01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:00,240 What do you think? 132595

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