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You could get a good shot from there
I just spotted a 'Romeo', an old tag of mine.
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- It was January, February '86
when we started writing our names...
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it started around our own neighborhoods
and then around Helsinki.
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We were little boys back then
and rolled in our own hoods
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Here in Itä-Pasila there was a lot of cool stuff around
construction sites, train tunnels etc.
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So there was a lot of surface where to make your own mark and from there it all started
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- When you were a kid,
you hardly had any patience to draw...
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and if you had just been drawing
images of war or something silly...
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and then suddenly. Graffiti!
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It seemed so difficult
with its weird shapes.
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- So it was all about learning
since we didn’t know anything about it.
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All we knew was that we wanted to write our own names, be painters and wreck the city
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and we had to learn
how it works.
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We were so young that with our small allowances
even getting the spray cans felt almost impossible.
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- When we went to tag our own names
in a another part of town...
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we found other people's tags
and realised…
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that there were others
doing this...
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and it was being done
in every part of the city.
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- And then something
just clicked in my head.
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and I was like, goddamn,
this is something I want to do!
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I hardly knew
what spray can was...
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and I hadn’t even painted a moped or anything
before I went to do my first piece
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All the colours
and shapes...
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I had to
master them...
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The early eighties graffiti scene
was extremely good...
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because there were new people coming in
and the progress was amazing
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all the time more colours
and characters started to appear
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it was cool back then and you didn’t
run over anybody's piece
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there was that respect.
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And if some spot
was already painted...
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you went around looking
for another one.
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It was a fine and fruitful period
for Finnish Graffiti.
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- Then a new phase started,
which slowly developed into an ’all city phase’...
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where I, writer from Herttoniemi, a long time tagger
of the backseats of busses…
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got myself into
slightly bigger circles...
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And then we founded TDF:
The Diamonds Five
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Which later on
became TDC...
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So the number of the crew members
wasn’t so strictly defined.
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- We started to sketch the pieces together
And painted them together...
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according to the plans...
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so that everybody had
their parts to play.
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and we could make
bigger pieces and do them faster...
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- And probably
cooler aswell
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since everybody had painted
on their own names...
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and when we put
our forces together...
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we could go
bigger and better.
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- Sometimes we went at it
with a big posse...
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something like 5-10 guys at
a time wrecking trams...
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sometimes things stayed cool...
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there were always somebody looking out
for us and telling us when to tag
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not to go all out
all the time...
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that everybody should
take turns and shit...
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but because of the fact
that we were such rascals...
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it often got out of hand anyway...
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and we were all a bunch of
termites with markers
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wrecking the shit...
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Then we would force the doors open
and run away...
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then we would maybe
walk around a block...
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or then take
another tram line...
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maybe some of us started
considering toning it down...
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some wanted to continue...
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and then eventually everybody
went their own way.
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Perhaps some of them
started to think that...
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since we wrecked the shit
out of those trams
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that we would eventually get caught
and heavily sanctioned.
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- We wanted to go...well...big…
- Yeah big!
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And what would be a better spot than that big wall next to Kulosaari Metro station
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and of course we had
couple of guys on a look out.
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- But at the end of the day they were just hanging around
-Just there to hang out and feeling the vibes
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- And it was a quite a surprise when someone went to check
after hearing something like a car nearby
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- He went to take a peek around the corner
and found two security guards standing.
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- Then we had to run like hell
- Yeah
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- We had to leave all the spray cans
and everything behind...
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- Among other things, my jacket with a note form school
inside its pocket, which stated my name.
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- And then, one day a police officer called
from the Pengerkatu police station...
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asking if I had lost
73 cans of spray paint.
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- The officer then said
what we had done looked goddamn fabulous
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- And he would see fit that if we finish what we had started,
since it was so fabulous
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- On top of that we could paint the other walls of the building too
as a bonus of sorts.
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- When walking between the Siilitie and Herttoniemi Metro stations,
you could always recognize other painters when you saw them...
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and then you were just like
‘Yo yo, whats up dude? Whats your tag?'...
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and that is how you
got to know other painters...
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There were people hanging out at the Railway Station and Citykäytävä where you could find other painters...
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- When you saw cool tags, you were interested to know who
and from where they were from...
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you were kinda hunting for them and would usually find them
hanging out at some local spots...
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especially if you didn’t know
which school someone was going to...
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since you could always find the bad boys smoking cigarettes around schools during recesses
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you quickly got to know people
from all around the city...
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and then you would hang out with them for a while,
tagging electric boxes or going on tram rides
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and that was the mission,
tagging together, thats it!
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and it wasn't a big deal
if you didn't become better friends
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you just kept on going.
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- When the Lepakko Hip Hop jams started,
you got so many contacts, which was awesome.
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There were breakdancers, rappers,
painters, everybody was united...
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The jams in Lepakko were extremely nice
and they had a really positive vibe...
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like it is with real Hip Hop to have fun, which is the main point. Enjoy what you do!
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- It’s funny how much this graffiti and hi
p hop thing had united people...
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last year someone could have been your worst enemy
but when they became painters...
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when you shared the same circles,
you became friends on a deeper level.
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- Back then, there were no fights whatsoever,
people had fun and respected one another...
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We were competing for who tagged the most,
painted the most, was the best beatboxer…
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was the best rapper, scratcher.
There was no violence back then.
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- The first wave of painters were these fucking breakers,
dj’s and ‘hip hoppers'.
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But we came in
with a rougher attitude.
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If these old school guys had done 10-20 pieces a year,
we did about 300 a year…
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There was a big difference
there already...
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And of course they were tagging too,
but we tagged the shit out of places...for real…
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- The amount of new people
that came in just exploded.
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- And of course you could see that from the walls.
There were new names and new pieces...
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and in many spots the wall space
got smaller and smaller.
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- We were the kings back then.
We got new subordinates that worshipped us. And it was...
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- We didn’t really like the styles…
a lot of silver, hasty shapes and all...
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it kinda killed the vibe…
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we stepped out from doing pieces for a while
because of that.
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- Some of them would just tag wherever…
new buildings, old buildings, fine buildings...
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- There was no question about the fact
that it wasn't some underpass...
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or some electric box etc.
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- There was no chance that I would have
painted a wall of some nice wooden building…
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located within a garden
or church wall...
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- When you really go tag,
you don’t fucking spare anything…
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You don’t have any specific targets,
you just wrecked everything...homes, cars…
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Fuck...we painted live frogs
and entire trees with chrome...
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shit like that...
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Maybe that wasn't
very romantic but...
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- The old school painters started to fade out a little
and the new generation of painters were just starting…
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- So it really didn’t look that creative…
It was more about how creative you could be at wrecking…
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- You didn’t go home before all your fucking cans were empty.
You emptied them on the walls.
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- Quite quickly one could see the scribbling
that had filled the walls.
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- But where it was most visible
was at the Lepakko jams…
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- I think it was during
the 1989 Lepakko jams...
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where you could see
that the clientele had really changed.
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- We would come into these jams
with a big crew...
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wreaking havoc
and fucking people up...
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Quite idiotic behavior.
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Maybe they weren't
too happy about that...
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Because they really had
this ‘hip hop united’ thing…
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But we were...
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maybe a little
too crazy for that.
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- The early nineties were...
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a golden age of sorts…
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There started to be
quite a lot of painters...
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you had different styles and attitudes
evolving in different parts of the city
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- When the Citykäytävä hangarounds split up…
in the end of 1991…
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People started doing
their pieces more...
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and it evolved
into this underground thing...
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where things happened
more within your own crew.
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- It didn’t seem
so serious then...
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we thought that we are painting nice things
with nice colours
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and what we were doing was more beautiful
than those grey concrete walls.
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Sometimes people passed by
when you were painting…
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but they didn’t seem
to mind much.
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You had to be careful
in certain places
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so that the cops
couldn't see what you were doing...
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because then
you'd have to stop...
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You also had to hide from the taxi drivers
because they had this ULA phone connection...
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that they could
call the cops with.
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But because
no one had cellphones...
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if someone would mind you painting,
it would take time before they reach a phone...
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and something would happen.
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- Feeling some pressure?
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- The marker's quite dry…
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- No, it doesn’t matter…
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- It'll be classical.
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- It wasn’t that dry when it started to open up.
- Yeah, yeah.
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- They got a deal to do a legal piece at Rekola station
- Yeah.
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- We didn’t approve
of that at all…
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- I was at a juvenile institution
at the time…
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- Fuck, that they would come to do
legal pieces at our stations!
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- Yeah, are they these...?
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- Comedy and Krylon did this
52-meter wide ‘Fuck The Cops’ on top of it.
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- It was unreal, because it was summer
and the track makes a slight curve...
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from the Korso station...
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and you could see this
chrome mirror...
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that would reflect the evening sun.
- Yeah, yeah.
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- What’s up with this now?
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- Why is it not coming off?
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-There is still some left in the letter S...
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- What punishments could get
from those things back then?
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- You wouldn’t necessarily get anything.
- Mostly it was just a visit to the police station…
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where they would preach to you a little
and they would then see about it.
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- Back in the day, in the mid-nineties
and even at end of nineties...
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you would usually do some reconciling
and/or pay the cleaning fees...
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which were quite reasonable
back then...
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and you would try
to learn from your mistakes…
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you tried not to get caught
but that didn’t always work out.
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- If you have started out
with block letters…
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and when the wall
was filled with those...
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the next option
was to paint on top of them
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and then you had to
make it a bit bigger...
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- You couldn't be weak...
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you had to be strong…
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you had to have style.
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- Yeah, you had to practice first…
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before doing anything to the walls.
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- Graffiti quickly became popular
and then it wasn’t enough anymore…
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that you would only be seen
in many places...
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It became more about
how you were seen.
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A kind of visual competition,
where the thing was...
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to make your name seen
in the coolest possible way.
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- In the eighties
big brand logos started to appear...
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and I would see that graffiti
came to complement them...
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so this is the aspect of graffiti
that makes it an art form...
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- Art mirrors the society around it and graffiti
has reflected the kind of societal change in Finland…
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where trademarks and logos started
to appear in the city…
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in the shops, at the shelves
and on people’s clothes.
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- There's another one….
- What?
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- There’s another one…
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- During the so called
first 'train boom'...
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was when
I saw painted trains...
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rolling on these tracks.
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There was pieces by
Comedy, Krylon, Pyro, Comet etc.
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It had a kind of effect on me that...
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This is the thing!
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I have to start
doing this as well!
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This is totally insane!
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That there is no bigger way
of expressing yourself than this!
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These fucking trains going
back and forth…
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with your name
on the side.
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Then it took a couple of years
before I got…
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Well...
those are the ugly new ones...
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...to paint those trains
back then.
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- There's a certain limit here…
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perhaps I was aware that…
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for Finnish State Railway...
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the trains are in a way
228
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important phallic symbols...
229
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The railway company wouldn't look well upon
the fact that people would paint them.
230
00:25:07,380 --> 00:25:13,420
- It was in the early nineties
when there were pieces and tags everywhere...
231
00:25:13,420 --> 00:25:17,420
and I got the feeling
that any fool can…
232
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:19,420
or not necessarily a fool…
233
00:25:19,420 --> 00:25:25,420
Anybody could go and do a piece
at Pulu, Galleria or on the streets
234
00:25:28,740 --> 00:25:31,000
those places
didn’t require much effort
235
00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:34,500
and of course they were
completely full...
236
00:25:34,510 --> 00:25:36,500
and in order
to really stand out...
237
00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:38,500
you had to
do something wild...
238
00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:40,500
But painting trains
wasn’t something
239
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that everybody
was going for.
240
00:25:43,850 --> 00:25:46,550
- When the train fever hit me…
241
00:25:46,550 --> 00:25:49,900
I started to choose colours
more on the basis of...
242
00:25:50,250 --> 00:25:53,550
how quickly the paint
would come out from the can
243
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,750
and not so much
from an aesthetic perspective.
244
00:25:58,460 --> 00:26:01,500
- It's from where the entire
thing comes from...
245
00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:05,000
it’s the highest form of graffiti
that exists.
246
00:26:18,860 --> 00:26:21,000
- We’ve had these
fucking crazy moments…
247
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,240
where we’ve spotted
an empty cart
248
00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:26,000
and went at it
full force...
249
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,790
and suddenly...Fuck!
There were conductors on board...
250
00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:34,000
all four of them,
started walking towards us shouting...
251
00:26:34,350 --> 00:26:36,000
'- What the fuck?'
252
00:26:36,010 --> 00:26:39,000
the four of us had
completely wrecked the cart...
253
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,000
We just had to
force the doors open…
254
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:45,000
while the train was
moving at 30-40 Km/h.
255
00:26:47,020 --> 00:26:51,250
We then jumped into the snow
hoping that we wouldn't hit any poles.
256
00:26:51,260 --> 00:26:52,000
- Yeah
257
00:26:53,740 --> 00:26:55,200
- It was like that
back then.
258
00:27:18,250 --> 00:27:19,660
- Let’s go.
259
00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:19,450
- The logic of
'me tagging this ugly concrete wall...
260
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:24,180
to make it more beautiful’
Doesn’t necessarily justify me doing it.
261
00:28:29,340 --> 00:28:33,300
- In my opinion, the goal was
to make the city more beautiful…
262
00:28:33,850 --> 00:28:35,850
so our crew
had a good cause.
263
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,290
- Well it's a dilemma…
264
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:41,250
Where are you allowed paint?
And where you aren’t?
265
00:28:41,270 --> 00:28:44,700
I think that
it’s up to each painter to decide
266
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:48,200
I wouldn’t necessarily go
and paint on...
267
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,700
let’s say, historical sites
or religious sanctuaries
268
00:29:00,820 --> 00:29:03,860
But if this city
was built solely out of pyramids...
269
00:29:03,870 --> 00:29:05,950
I'd definitely tag them.
270
00:29:05,950 --> 00:29:12,950
- I haven’t touched private property,
Someone's house or something...
271
00:29:14,550 --> 00:29:18,750
I’ve had quite clear limits
on where I have painted.
272
00:29:18,750 --> 00:29:22,750
The places have always
had something in common...
273
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,750
like underpasses, train stops...
274
00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:30,750
Or...something like...
275
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,750
abandoned houses or
the walls of some storage building....
276
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:39,740
into places where I've felt
that painting does no harm...
277
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:44,500
I can of course be wrong about that,
someone might still get upset.
278
00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:49,480
"THE NEXT TIME YOU CLEAN THIS WALL…
THERE WILL BE PICTURES OF COCKS ON IT
IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE HOPING FOR??”
279
00:29:49,490 --> 00:29:54,480
- Well fuck, if you have started painting
and doing this thing…
280
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,480
you just have to
fucking ignore that kind of shit.
281
00:30:00,850 --> 00:30:04,570
Tax payers money…fuck it…
I’m not interested.
282
00:30:04,590 --> 00:30:08,570
We do have our own code
on where we don't paint.
283
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:10,570
Everybody
has it up in here.
284
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:17,140
"SECURITY"
285
00:31:00,020 --> 00:31:01,060
- Yeah, all good.
286
00:31:01,780 --> 00:31:06,060
- We’ve never messed around
with property of an individual
287
00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:09,060
in a way
this is all common property, this society…
288
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,140
but when the powers that be fuck around...
289
00:31:14,150 --> 00:31:17,140
and there is all this corruption
and everything…
290
00:31:17,140 --> 00:31:20,130
then you just pick up
your backpack full of paint...
291
00:31:20,130 --> 00:31:22,000
and go wreck the shit out of places.
292
00:31:25,820 --> 00:31:28,000
- Why you would
you just stay at home…
293
00:31:28,010 --> 00:31:30,000
and follow
all this crooked shit?
294
00:31:30,010 --> 00:31:33,000
When you have your
own way of making a stand...
295
00:31:33,010 --> 00:31:36,000
You can go out there
and write what you think.
296
00:31:36,010 --> 00:31:38,000
Your own view...
297
00:31:38,010 --> 00:31:42,000
Onto these trains,
stations or somewhere else.
298
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,500
I feel that you even have right to do so.
299
00:31:52,020 --> 00:31:57,060
- Yes, I have showed some mercy…
my ethics don’t bend..
300
00:31:57,070 --> 00:32:00,000
- I show mercy when I see
that there are four cameras...
301
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,450
Then I say that let’s not tag here,
we go somewhere else…
302
00:32:03,460 --> 00:32:07,450
- However drunk I would be,
I would get this feeling from somewhere…
303
00:32:07,460 --> 00:32:11,450
that this tag doesn't look good here…
nor it is easily removable…
304
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:17,450
But of course, while in my teens
and sometimes after…
305
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:21,450
I’ve felt the need to fuck shit up.
306
00:32:25,450 --> 00:32:28,250
But it never was my thing..
307
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:33,250
- But hey, you are from Eira.
I’m from Korso..that says it all..
308
00:32:33,260 --> 00:32:36,490
- Yeah, maybe there’s some
difference between a well-off rich kid…
309
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:39,000
and the true concrete jungle king.
310
00:32:39,010 --> 00:32:44,000
- In our hallway there was dog shit
and flames and neighbors shouting…
311
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,900
- Yeah, yeah.
312
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,750
- Even though your neighbors
probably shouted too…
313
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,750
You have this 200-year old jugend castle
with its ornaments and shit...
314
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:57,750
- Yeah, maybe it comes from there then..
- Well it has to come from somewhere!
315
00:33:00,260 --> 00:33:04,300
-Once I was tagging a seat
with a fresh marker.
316
00:33:05,620 --> 00:33:09,300
I got up and happened
to look over my shoulder...
317
00:33:10,420 --> 00:33:13,000
and saw
an old lady sit on it...
318
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,000
she was wearing a
electric blue fleece jacket...
319
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,750
and before I could open my mouth
as to warn her or something
320
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,350
because I really didn’t want
her to sit on it.
321
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:26,350
but she had
already sat down...
322
00:33:26,350 --> 00:33:29,800
when she got up,
she had my tag's imprint on her back.
323
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,800
That’s something that I
could have been left undone.
324
00:33:40,780 --> 00:33:44,820
- Then the fucking cellphones appeared
and shit got quite hectic…
325
00:33:46,380 --> 00:33:50,820
It took about one and half years from there and
phone records came along.
326
00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:53,820
Nobody knew about any of
that shit back then.
327
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:56,820
Nowadays you have to
fucking send smoke signals…
328
00:33:56,820 --> 00:33:58,820
when we are going out to paint.
329
00:34:00,220 --> 00:34:05,820
- I got called in
for a Police interrogation...
330
00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:08,820
I didn’t know for what
since they didn’t explain.
331
00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:12,820
I decided to go and I hadn’t really
thought much of it
332
00:34:12,820 --> 00:34:15,820
so I went in
with some sketches in my pocket...
333
00:34:17,699 --> 00:34:20,820
I ended up spending
a couple of nights there.
334
00:34:22,340 --> 00:34:26,820
It was back then in the early 2000’s
when they started to become…
335
00:34:26,820 --> 00:34:30,820
more interested about this thing
and wanted to stop it.
336
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:36,340
- It was like
The Inquisition all over...
337
00:34:36,350 --> 00:34:40,340
and one could say that
the cultural history of Finnish graffiti…
338
00:34:40,350 --> 00:34:44,340
was destroyed
in a Talebanish way.
339
00:34:44,350 --> 00:34:48,340
They cleaned everything,
even the really old ones…
340
00:34:48,350 --> 00:34:52,340
There was nothing left anywhere.
341
00:34:54,219 --> 00:34:58,340
- When the Zero Tolerance
and the persecution started…
342
00:34:58,340 --> 00:35:01,340
it had an effect
on the styles a lot.
343
00:35:03,980 --> 00:35:09,020
And I think that at some point the styles
had become really bad…
344
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:13,020
because the point was
to paint as fast as possible...
345
00:35:15,020 --> 00:35:17,020
and that became
the main thing...
346
00:35:17,020 --> 00:35:19,020
The style came second.
347
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:23,740
- We were thinking that
this cannot take many years…
348
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:27,400
that their campaign would
run out of money at some point...
349
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,400
But surprisingly enough.
It didn’t.
350
00:35:37,740 --> 00:35:41,780
- These northern Helsinki neighbourhoods
which are close to railway tracks
351
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,780
have been extremely restless
and violent places.
352
00:35:45,780 --> 00:35:47,780
And also tagged as fuck.
353
00:35:47,790 --> 00:35:50,500
So from here
they started the control...
354
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:54,500
and then the Vandal Squads
stepped into the picture.
355
00:35:54,510 --> 00:35:57,500
They wore plain clothes
at the stations…
356
00:35:57,500 --> 00:36:01,500
and they also had these
old ticket vending booths...
357
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:05,500
where they sat
and peeked between closed curtains.
358
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:10,500
There were like four guards inside,
waiting, with their batons ready…
359
00:36:10,510 --> 00:36:13,500
for someone to
make a wrong fucking move.
360
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:19,140
- With these
security companies…
361
00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:21,140
there was no...
362
00:36:21,140 --> 00:36:24,140
No reason or moral
in their way of operating.
363
00:36:25,620 --> 00:36:30,140
- When the telephone surveillance
and the overall heat from the cops came…
364
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:33,140
it caused some people
to go and snitch.
365
00:36:33,150 --> 00:36:36,140
Then you trusted
your own crew more...
366
00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:38,500
who really kept
their mouths shut.
367
00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:41,500
When you got caught,
you stayed quiet…
368
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:44,900
since you knew that
others would follow. That's that.
369
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,800
Which didn’t mean
you wouldn’t get sentenced…
370
00:36:47,810 --> 00:36:50,750
because in our case,
if you admit, you’re sentenced.
371
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,400
If you don’t,
you're sentenced.
372
00:36:52,450 --> 00:36:55,400
Its like…
fuck the whole thing.
373
00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:02,300
- I like doing what I do…
374
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:07,300
and not one punk ass security guard
or police could scare me...
375
00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:09,300
in a way
that I would stop doing it.
376
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:17,300
I just kept going and made
the whole thing more reasonable...
377
00:37:17,310 --> 00:37:22,300
For example, I always had a
couple of guys on the look out.
378
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:26,300
so that nobody would come,
when you are doing something.
379
00:37:29,540 --> 00:37:32,580
- Of course there were
less painters around…
380
00:37:34,660 --> 00:37:39,700
since many had got enough
of the persecution, cleaning...
381
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:42,900
and the punishments
that were severe.
382
00:37:42,910 --> 00:37:47,900
The ones who stayed,
were those who were the most enthusiastic...
383
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:53,000
and those who had nothing to lose,
who had already got their 'bills'.
384
00:37:53,550 --> 00:37:57,000
and of course they
just kept wrecking shit...
385
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000
just to fuck with them.
386
00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:06,780
- Maybe it was a good thing
for Finnish graffiti...
387
00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:13,080
that this crew came
and showed how to wreck shit...
388
00:38:13,090 --> 00:38:16,080
maybe it kinda needed that,
in order for things to change…
389
00:38:17,260 --> 00:38:22,080
and when the control came,
we didn't slow down...
390
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,080
but went in head first
and did even more.
391
00:38:43,580 --> 00:38:48,000
- The Police came to pick me up
from home one Sunday morning…
392
00:38:49,740 --> 00:38:53,050
I opened the door
and they said ''Pack your stuff…
393
00:38:53,060 --> 00:38:56,950
and take some books with you,
because this might take a while.''
394
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,950
They locked me up for a month
and then another…
395
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:02,950
and eventually they
transferred me to a prison.
396
00:39:05,380 --> 00:39:09,420
There I was with car thieves,
and all kinds of other looneys,
397
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:11,450
like robbers and killers.
398
00:39:14,140 --> 00:39:17,180
And even inside there
I didn't feel scared or anything,
399
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:20,180
in a way that would
have lead me to stop this art thing.
400
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:25,540
It made me think about all this
in a new way.
401
00:39:26,260 --> 00:39:30,540
The inmates were perplexed
that I ended up there just because of graffiti…
402
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:33,540
and especially there.
403
00:39:33,550 --> 00:39:37,540
Everybody was in there
for some really serious shit.
404
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:38,450
But no biggie…
405
00:39:38,460 --> 00:39:43,150
Of course I had the early symptoms
of a first time inmate,
406
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:51,340
like carrying the shit buckets
into the wrong place etc.
407
00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:56,000
Eventually
you get used to the routines,
408
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,000
because you're in there
for quite some time.
409
00:39:59,010 --> 00:40:02,000
I remember the day when
we went on trial again in Vantaa...
410
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000
going through
the same things…
411
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:08,850
and there was
a national TV news crew present.
412
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:15,540
There I woke up to the fact
that this had become a big thing.
413
00:40:15,540 --> 00:40:19,000
When I returned to prison,
after I was acquitted,
414
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,000
so as to be released immediately.
415
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,000
The other inmates asked
-"How did everything go?"
416
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,500
I told them
it felt kinda weird that...
417
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:33,000
there was a big reporter show
and in the end I got acquitted.
418
00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:38,000
They said "Fucking wonderful!
we were wondering…
419
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,000
what the fuck
you were doing here anyway".
420
00:42:48,780 --> 00:42:51,820
- We can't get through…
he can't get there…
421
00:42:51,820 --> 00:42:52,820
- Let's go now!
422
00:43:13,460 --> 00:43:19,500
- All the things people do on this planet
can’t be measured with money and shouldn’t…
423
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:22,500
everything
can't be profit-driven
424
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:23,900
it is an absurd idea.
425
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:26,900
We are not a factory…
The Earth is not a factory...
426
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:28,900
that would only strive...
427
00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:34,000
to make profit
and produce money.
428
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:38,750
The reason why I paint graffiti
is because I like it…
429
00:43:40,060 --> 00:43:42,750
and I don’t want
any money from it…
430
00:43:42,750 --> 00:43:46,750
I want to feed my soul with it
and share it with others.
431
00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:53,000
So, keep your money!
I don’t want it!
432
00:43:53,010 --> 00:43:56,950
And maybe that’s the thing
which scares people the most…
433
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,950
That there are people
who aren't interested in money…
434
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:03,950
cars, televisions and
all these fucking pinnacles of hedonism.
435
00:44:06,260 --> 00:44:10,300
- As soon as I got out from prison,
we went and did more graffiti...
436
00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:12,000
on to public transportation.
437
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,750
Because I was pissed off
from being there for nothing.
438
00:44:18,740 --> 00:44:22,780
There was no other way
to show those security guards...
439
00:44:22,780 --> 00:44:24,250
that we're back in business.
440
00:44:24,250 --> 00:44:27,250
Even they understood
that it doesn’t help.
441
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:34,900
- One guy got a month in prison
for putting up concert posters.
442
00:44:36,820 --> 00:44:40,900
Other people also suffered
from this control of public space...
443
00:44:44,340 --> 00:44:47,380
so then The Zero Tolerance campaign ended…
444
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:50,380
That was the peak of hysteria around graffiti.
445
00:44:50,740 --> 00:44:54,380
In a way the whole thing fell
to its own impossibility.
446
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,000
- We, the second generation, came
and took over...
447
00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:09,000
and I would guess that it must have
been difficult for the old school guys...
448
00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:12,850
and it’s difficult for me now,
when its happening again…
449
00:45:12,860 --> 00:45:13,850
but that's how it goes.
450
00:45:13,850 --> 00:45:15,850
Someone needs take over.
451
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,180
There is always a new dictator
to replace the old one.
452
00:45:21,180 --> 00:45:23,180
That’s how it goes.
453
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:32,540
- Graffiti has been understood
to be taken more easily and lightly
454
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:37,000
That this isn’t so serious…
455
00:45:37,420 --> 00:45:41,000
Of course someone
can see it as being so fucking serious...
456
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,000
there's that serious aspect to it too...
457
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,800
You can be
playful with it....
458
00:45:50,660 --> 00:45:52,500
- Don’t paint there
where it’s oozing…
459
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:54,800
Let it dry for a moment…
460
00:45:54,810 --> 00:45:55,800
Just like that…
461
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,000
You can colour the whole diamond inside..
- I want to also!
462
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,000
- Well, let Ari colour it now.
463
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,200
- You just couldn’t resist
after that initial bite…
464
00:46:11,060 --> 00:46:15,200
- Every once in a while
I feel like I have to go and do a piece…
465
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,200
or then it’s a kind of call
to go out and do my thing…
466
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,200
But that’s how it is
with any other hobby...
467
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,200
be it fishing
or whatever...
468
00:46:26,020 --> 00:46:30,200
I think a fisherman
feels that he needs to go fishing.
469
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,200
So…
470
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,500
It’s that simple.
471
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,900
- I do it because I can
and I want to…
472
00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:42,180
It runs in my blood.
473
00:46:43,340 --> 00:46:45,180
Can you say it so?
I don’t know…
474
00:46:45,180 --> 00:46:49,180
the culture is part of me
and my personality.
475
00:46:54,700 --> 00:46:57,740
- Well…of course the trains
still run to the depot...
476
00:46:57,750 --> 00:47:00,740
you can go there and paint
it’s not about that.
477
00:47:00,740 --> 00:47:03,950
It’s all about whether or not
you feel the call in you heart.
478
00:47:07,380 --> 00:47:11,420
All the shitty fingernails
and huge fucking bills…
479
00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:18,500
Well..
fuck the bills...
480
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:21,500
I’ve gotten so many good friends
out of this…
481
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,000
That’s the most important thing.
482
00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:32,000
- Nowadays, the most important
thing for me is amusing myself…
483
00:47:34,660 --> 00:47:37,700
Well..I don't know
if it's the most important...
484
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:39,700
But the thing
that keeps me going.
485
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:42,700
- Of course there is no sense in it…
486
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,000
but what sense is there in ski jumping?
487
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:53,000
Or driving a Formula One car around a circuit?
How stupid is that?
488
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,000
This thing is a culture,
an art form.
489
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,000
I could do way more idiotic things.
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