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7-Adam-15, we're code 6
at the 911 call location.
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Any further contact from
the distressed individual?
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Negative.
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Do you want me to start
additional units?
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Uh, no. Give us a minute
to scope it out first.
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- You ready?
- Do I have a choice?
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{\an8}That's the spirit.
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LAPD.
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We've received a distress call
from this location.
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We are making entry.
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Ooh.
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Oh.
Do you feel that?
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Feel what?
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Ah, something evil's in here.
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Well, sure smells like it.
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I can't die.
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Won't let me die.
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- Police.
Show yourself.
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- I can't die.
It's inside of me.
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- It won't let me die.
- Don't touch that, all right?
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Just... call this in.
Call it in.
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I need an RA to my location
for a stabbing victim.
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So I usually sit
right next to camera
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to keep the eyeline tight.
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Then I'll just sit
on the other side.
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No, because then
you'll split his look.
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- I don't think it matters.
- Oh, hey. Hi.
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Thanks... thanks again
for sitting down with me.
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- Us.
- What? Oh, right, us.
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Uh, why are you filming?
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{\an8}Oh, I just wanted to document
the new partnership.
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{\an8}Abigail was very excited.
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- It's not a partnership.
- It's totally a partnership.
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- The judge was very clear.
- The judge?
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My name is Abigail Tierney.
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I'm currently trapped
inside a secret lab
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at Westview Psychiatric.
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All attempts at escape
have proven fruitless.
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I may have inadvertently used
some of Abigail's footage
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in my last documentary without
gaining the proper permissions.
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Translation, he stole
my intellectual property,
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I sued, and the judge
gave him a choice...
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pay me 200 thou in damages
or give me equal partnership
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in his next project.
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He never said equal,
but you know what?
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Never mind.
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Let's focus on the story
that we're here to tell.
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Have a seat.
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Perhaps the most shocking
case of murder
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and mayhem we've ever seen.
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Would you say
that's a fair assessment?
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Um...
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- No, no, stay... stay back.
Stay back. Stay back.
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- You don't understand.
- OK, relax.
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OK, we're trying to help you.
Who stabbed you?
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I stabbed myself.
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It's inside of me.
I've tried everything else.
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I can't kill it.
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I can't die.
See?
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- No, don't pull that...
don't pull it out!
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Oh, God.
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Oh, he died instantly.
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I mean, the wound was fatal.
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You can't stab yourself
in the heart and survive.
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But the way the knife
was lodged,
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he wasn't bleeding.
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Once he pulled it out...
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- It was blood fountain city.
- Not exactly, but...
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As shocking as that was,
it was far from
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the most shocking thing
you found.
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Oh, we should get him
to say that
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to set up the opening credits.
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- That's not... we...
we don't put words
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in people's mouths.
It's a documentary.
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Yeah, it was, uh,
straight-up crazy.
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- You don't think...
- There's a body in there.
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May have finally found it.
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Please don't kill us.
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We will join your cult.
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- Oh.
- Oh, God.
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{\an8}You arrived on scene
as the sergeant's supervisor?
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{\an8}Yes.
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{\an8}I got there before
the ambulance,
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{\an8}not that there was any aid
they could have rendered.
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{\an8}Is there a reason
you didn't want us
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{\an8}to interview you with Tim?
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{\an8}What?
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{\an8}No. We're just...
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{\an8}just shaking it up.
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{\an8}- Let's... let's...
let's stay focused.
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{\an8}Were you the first
to recognize the victim?
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{\an8}Uh, sort of.
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{\an8}I thought I knew his face,
but it wasn't until
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{\an8}we ran his prints
that we got a name.
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{\an8}Rich Rowley was retired LAPD.
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{\an8}He had been with
the department for 30 years
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and was a little bit
of a legend,
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{\an8}mostly because he made a series
of training videos
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{\an8}from the mid-'90s
till his retirement in 2015,
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{\an8}which by modern standards,
are a little cringe.
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{\an8}- Hey, everybody.
Rich Rowley here
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{\an8}with another installment of...
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{\an8}Now, today, we're gonna
be talking about
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{\an8}proper cuffing technique.
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{\an8}Excuse me, officer?
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{\an8}I hurt my shoulder at the gym.
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{\an8}Would you mind
cuffing me in front?
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{\an8}Pretty lady like you,
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{\an8}what's the worst
that could happen?
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{\an8}- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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{\an8}Rich was a trip.
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{\an8}The life of the party,
at least early in his career.
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{\an8}Then as the years went on,
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{\an8}he became a little, uh, crazy.
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{\an8}Crazy how?
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{\an8}He was deep into
conspiracy theories.
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{\an8}He had a real thing
for cults and cabals.
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{\an8}To be fair, Los Angeles does
have a pretty dark history.
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{\an8}But Rich took it
to the next level,
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{\an8}and his training videos got more
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{\an8}and more intense because of it.
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{\an8}We finally got around
to updating the videos
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{\an8}this last year, but that
caused quite a controversy
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{\an8}with some of the older officers.
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{\an8}They said we were
being insensitive.
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{\an8}Why would updating training
videos be insensitive?
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{\an8}Even three years on,
a lot of his friends
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{\an8}were still mourning his death
and saw the videos as a way
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{\an8}- to keep his memory alive.
- I'm sorry.
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{\an8}I thought Rich died
six months ago.
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{\an8}- Yeah.
- He did.
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{\an8}I'm talking about
the first time.
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Divers are searching for
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any signs of retired
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{\an8}Los Angeles police officer
Richard Rowley
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{\an8}after a sailing trip gone wrong.
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{\an8}Coast Guard responded
to a distress call
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{\an8}this morning from Rowley's wife,
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{\an8}who says the 55-year-old
fell overboard
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{\an8}after the sailboat
he was captaining
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{\an8}was struck by a rogue wave.
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{\an8}Any time someone disappears
from a boating trip,
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{\an8}it automatically sets off
alarm bells.
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{\an8}Why is that?
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{\an8}It's just an ideal place
to cover up a crime.
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{\an8}Throw a body overboard,
weigh it down,
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{\an8}the likelihood of us
recovering it before
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{\an8}it becomes fish food is low.
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{\an8}And circumstances
were suspicious.
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{\an8}By all accounts,
Rich was a skilled sailor,
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{\an8}it was a calm day, and the
only witness to his demise
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{\an8}was Darla Phillips,
his on again, off again
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{\an8}girlfriend, who he married
five days prior.
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{\an8}So you suspected foul play?
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{\an8}Not necessarily,
but we couldn't rule it out.
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{\an8}Why wasn't Rich
wearing a life vest?
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{\an8}- He never did.
He was a strong swimmer.
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{\an8}He must have hit
his head when he fell.
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{\an8}Why didn't you
jump in after him?
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{\an8}- I'm scared of dark water.
- Dark water?
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{\an8}Water you can't see
the bottom of.
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{\an8}Just blackness
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{\an8}with God knows what
lurking below.
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{\an8}You stand to inherit
Rich's entire police pension.
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{\an8}That's quite a bit of money.
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{\an8}How dare you?
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{\an8}I just watched the love of
my life die in front of me.
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{\an8}We don't know that for sure yet.
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{\an8}They haven't found his body.
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{\an8}Unless you know more
that you're not telling us.
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{\an8}Go to hell!
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{\an8}This interview is over.
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{\an8}Did it ever occur to you
that Rich might still be alive?
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{\an8}As we said, we couldn't
rule anything out,
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{\an8}but there was no evidence
that he'd faked his death.
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{\an8}Until he turned up dead again.
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{\an8}Needless to say, we had
a few more questions for Darla.
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{\an8}Helping someone fake
their death isn't a crime.
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{\an8}- I checked.
- You're right,
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{\an8}but profiting off of that death,
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{\an8}collecting Rich's pension
and his life insurance,
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{\an8}that's fraud.
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{\an8}Not to mention the resources
that were wasted
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{\an8}trying to recover his body.
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{\an8}You could be facing
some serious charges.
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{\an8}So tell us.
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{\an8}Why did Rich want to
fake his death?
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{\an8}After Rich retired,
he kind of fell apart.
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{\an8}His drinking got worse,
and his paranoia.
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{\an8}He was always a little intense,
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{\an8}but it started to get scary.
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{\an8}He covered all his windows
with newspapers,
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{\an8}started writing down the
license plates of passing cars.
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{\an8}What was he so afraid of?
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{\an8}He said there was
this group, like,
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{\an8}a secret society of dangerous
and powerful people.
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{\an8}He'd been on to them for years.
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{\an8}He said that they found out
about him,
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{\an8}that he was in danger
because of it.
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{\an8}It was too much for me,
so I broke up with him.
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{\an8}And then a year later,
he showed up on my doorstep
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and asked me to help him
fake his death
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in return for his pension.
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I needed the money.
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So we got married,
and we did the deed,
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and I never saw him again.
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So you have no idea why there
was a coffin in his garage?
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We'll probably hold
this piece of the puzzle
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until the end of the first act,
you know,
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{\an8}hit the audience
with a twist when
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{\an8}- it's dramatically expedient.
- Yeah.
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{\an8}Seems manipulative.
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{\an8}All good storytelling is, so.
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{\an8}Just tell us about
finding the coffin.
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{\an8}So once I arrived,
and we secured the crime scene,
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we cleared
the rest of the house,
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and then we moved on
to the garage.
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Oh.
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Oh, you don't think there's...
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- That there's a body in there?
I absolutely do.
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- OK, are we gonna open it?
'Cause I don't wanna open it.
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What do you think?
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I mean,
it's clearly been dug up.
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Given the state of the coffin,
it's clearly been
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underground for a few years.
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If there is a body in there,
it's likely long dead.
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- Unless...
- Unless what?
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Unless he put a fresh victim
in an old coffin.
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OK, got it.
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- Got it?
- Yep.
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- Oh.
Oh, God.
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The body belonged to
a 54-year-old truck driver
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named Marcus Ford,
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who was the victim of
an unsolved homicide
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back in 2020.
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How was he killed?
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Uh, he was stabbed in the heart.
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Just like Rich.
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Wait, Rich murdered Marcus Ford.
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- Did I just solve the case?
- No.
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We were able to alibi Rich out.
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He was hospitalized with double
pneumonia the day Marcus died.
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Medical records say
he was so weak that,
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uh, he could barely
get out of bed.
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Or that's what
he wanted you to think.
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Moving on.
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Digging up a body's
no easy task.
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Why would Rich go
to all that trouble?
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Initially,
we thought it was simply
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the demented act of
a clearly disturbed mind,
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and in some ways, it was.
252
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But then we found the tattoo.
253
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At first, it was
a little bit difficult
254
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to make out exactly what it was.
255
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A half a decade of decomp
does a number on the skin.
256
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But when we look back
at the case file,
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there was a photo of it taken
during the original autopsy.
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That's actually kind of sick.
259
00:10:33,935 --> 00:10:36,062
I wonder if there's a way
to track down the artist.
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I've been meaning
to start the sleeve
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on my other arm, like a...
262
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To my collaborator's point,
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lots of people have tattoos.
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What was it about this one
that jumped out at you?
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Well, something about it
was familiar to both of us,
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but we couldn't place it.
267
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So we started asking around,
and the answer couldn't come
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from a more unlikely place.
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I watched the Rich Rowley
training videos
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more than any person alive,
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so I recognized
the symbol immediately.
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{\an8}Sometimes, citizens panic when
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{\an8}they can't get in touch with
their friends or loved ones.
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That is why we always
advise the public
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to wait 24 hours before
reporting someone missing.
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While most missing
person reports stem
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from a lapse in communication,
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every once in a while,
you'll encounter
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a true, workable case.
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- Officer, help.
My sister is missing.
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When's the last time
you saw her?
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Last night at the bar.
283
00:11:28,739 --> 00:11:31,117
Her boyfriend said
she never made it home.
284
00:11:31,117 --> 00:11:34,954
You always wanna take a
report like this one seriously.
285
00:11:34,954 --> 00:11:37,540
So Rich hid the same symbol
in his training videos
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that was tattooed on
the body of a murder victim.
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00:11:39,917 --> 00:11:42,128
What did you think that meant?
288
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Uh, I don't know.
289
00:11:44,380 --> 00:11:45,131
I can't believe I'm saying this,
290
00:11:45,131 --> 00:11:46,340
but Smitty was right.
291
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In lesson 187, the tattoo symbol
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was hidden in the background,
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although the instructions
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to wait 24 hours before
reporting a missing person
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are wildly outdated.
296
00:11:56,142 --> 00:11:57,894
Anyways, it got me thinking.
297
00:11:57,894 --> 00:12:01,063
What if Rich put messages
in other videos?
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00:12:01,063 --> 00:12:02,315
What kind of messages?
299
00:12:02,315 --> 00:12:03,774
I'm not totally sure yet.
300
00:12:03,774 --> 00:12:05,818
I binged every single
Rich training video
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I could get my hands on.
302
00:12:06,819 --> 00:12:08,362
Yeah, it's been
a fun few nights.
303
00:12:08,362 --> 00:12:10,281
And I did find a few
other possible leads,
304
00:12:10,281 --> 00:12:11,616
but there's a problem.
305
00:12:11,616 --> 00:12:12,909
The department's
archive is incomplete,
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00:12:12,909 --> 00:12:14,327
and without all of the videos,
307
00:12:14,327 --> 00:12:15,494
I can't be sure
that I'm not missing
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a vital piece of information.
309
00:12:16,913 --> 00:12:18,789
So what happened
to the missing videos?
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So when the training topics
and the videos
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00:12:20,958 --> 00:12:24,587
become outdated because
of new laws or protocols,
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00:12:24,587 --> 00:12:26,297
the department has
to make new ones,
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00:12:26,297 --> 00:12:28,758
and obsolete videos
are supposed to be digitized
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and archived
for historical record.
315
00:12:31,969 --> 00:12:34,347
But Rich's were just gone.
316
00:12:34,347 --> 00:12:35,973
Gone as in destroyed?
317
00:12:35,973 --> 00:12:38,601
- Like a cover-up?
- No one's saying that.
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Most likely,
it was a human error.
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You know, someone got lazy,
didn't archive them.
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I tried reaching out
to the production company
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00:12:45,274 --> 00:12:48,444
that made the videos to see
if they had any copies left.
322
00:12:48,444 --> 00:12:51,489
Bad news is they went out
of business a few years back
323
00:12:51,489 --> 00:12:53,366
and auctioned off
all their equipment.
324
00:12:53,366 --> 00:12:55,451
What's the good news?
325
00:12:55,451 --> 00:12:58,746
Well, I managed to track down
the auction logs,
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00:12:58,746 --> 00:13:00,748
and I actually know
the person who purchased
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00:13:00,748 --> 00:13:03,209
the studio's old hard drives.
328
00:13:03,209 --> 00:13:06,462
Careful, I'm very ticklish,
like the Pillsbury Doughboy.
329
00:13:06,462 --> 00:13:07,463
Same.
330
00:13:07,463 --> 00:13:09,507
I hear it's a sign
of intelligence.
331
00:13:09,507 --> 00:13:10,800
- Is that a fact?
- Yep.
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Then I am smart as the dickens.
333
00:13:13,427 --> 00:13:15,179
So you purchased hard drives
334
00:13:15,179 --> 00:13:17,014
{\an8}from Speak Now Studios?
335
00:13:17,014 --> 00:13:19,100
{\an8}Yeah. Dropout was still
in its infancy.
336
00:13:19,100 --> 00:13:21,394
I was building the company
from the ground up.
337
00:13:21,394 --> 00:13:23,646
We had to be smart about
how we were spending our money.
338
00:13:23,646 --> 00:13:26,315
We bought a huge amount
of equipment secondhand...
339
00:13:26,315 --> 00:13:28,234
hard drives, cameras, wigs.
340
00:13:28,234 --> 00:13:31,279
Wait, you bought
second-hand wigs?
341
00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:32,571
Give them a little shake
before we put them on.
342
00:13:32,571 --> 00:13:34,031
That's awesome.
343
00:13:34,031 --> 00:13:35,283
Do you still have
that wig connect?
344
00:13:35,283 --> 00:13:37,910
'Cause I'd love a referral.
My guy is...
345
00:13:37,910 --> 00:13:39,787
Back on track.
346
00:13:39,787 --> 00:13:42,039
The hard drives you bought
contain police training videos.
347
00:13:42,039 --> 00:13:43,624
Did you happen to watch
any of them?
348
00:13:43,624 --> 00:13:45,626
- Of course.
Rich Rowley, right?
349
00:13:45,626 --> 00:13:47,628
We were obsessed
with those videos.
350
00:13:47,628 --> 00:13:50,339
We probably watched them,
like, a dozen times.
351
00:13:50,339 --> 00:13:53,009
I'm Rich Rowley, and this is
"Survive the Streets."
352
00:13:53,009 --> 00:13:54,635
Oh, that's great.
353
00:13:54,635 --> 00:13:56,012
Vic can do the best impression.
354
00:13:56,012 --> 00:13:57,930
Do you think you'd be able
to make copies for us?
355
00:13:57,930 --> 00:14:00,308
I totally would,
356
00:14:00,308 --> 00:14:01,600
but I can't because
357
00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,311
we wiped all of those
hard drives
358
00:14:03,311 --> 00:14:04,895
to use as servers months ago.
359
00:14:04,895 --> 00:14:06,772
Sorry I couldn't be
of more help.
360
00:14:06,772 --> 00:14:10,609
You'll still feature
this interview, right?
361
00:14:10,609 --> 00:14:12,194
- Yeah.
- Yeah, probably not.
362
00:14:12,194 --> 00:14:13,988
Wait, you said you
and the Dropout crew
363
00:14:13,988 --> 00:14:16,741
watched the video, like,
dozens of times, right?
364
00:14:16,741 --> 00:14:18,868
Yes, sometimes on an edible,
mostly sober.
365
00:14:18,868 --> 00:14:20,786
I have an idea.
366
00:14:20,786 --> 00:14:22,246
OK, so then he'd be like,
don't forget to check
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00:14:22,246 --> 00:14:23,748
the closet or you'll die.
So I don't know.
368
00:14:23,748 --> 00:14:25,458
I think it's
a little bit more like,
369
00:14:25,458 --> 00:14:27,251
like, if you forget
to check the closet,
370
00:14:27,251 --> 00:14:29,962
Freddy, Jason, and Chucky
will rip off your scrote!
371
00:14:29,962 --> 00:14:31,714
OK, I think
there's less foot stuff.
372
00:14:31,714 --> 00:14:33,299
I feel like he's like...
373
00:14:33,299 --> 00:14:35,301
and then your crazy
methy ex-girlfriend
374
00:14:35,301 --> 00:14:37,511
who's been hiding in
the hallway closet
375
00:14:37,511 --> 00:14:39,388
will chainsaw your face
when you get home
376
00:14:39,388 --> 00:14:41,265
because you forgot
to clear the room!
377
00:14:41,265 --> 00:14:42,266
- Clear the room!
- Clear the room!
378
00:14:42,266 --> 00:14:43,851
Check the room.
379
00:14:43,851 --> 00:14:45,811
I think he was so close
to pulling out his gun...
380
00:14:45,811 --> 00:14:47,563
- What are you guys doing?
- That's a great question.
381
00:14:47,563 --> 00:14:49,190
They're reenacting
the police training videos
382
00:14:49,190 --> 00:14:50,524
since you guys wiped them
off your hard drive.
383
00:14:50,524 --> 00:14:52,193
Oh, the Rich Rowley ones.
384
00:14:52,193 --> 00:14:53,694
- Those are so funny.
- Right.
385
00:14:53,694 --> 00:14:55,196
I actually stole
one of the hard drives
386
00:14:55,196 --> 00:14:56,405
so I could watch it
when I'm in the tub.
387
00:14:56,405 --> 00:14:57,573
You talking about
your tub again?
388
00:14:57,573 --> 00:14:58,741
- Say what?
- A little self-care.
389
00:14:58,741 --> 00:15:00,493
You know,
trying to relax a little more.
390
00:15:00,493 --> 00:15:02,578
- It's not working.
- Can we have it?
391
00:15:02,578 --> 00:15:04,205
If you want to borrow it,
I could, you know.
392
00:15:04,205 --> 00:15:05,665
No, I think this is
actually working great.
393
00:15:05,665 --> 00:15:08,167
- I mean, you could. OK.
- Keep this up.
394
00:15:08,167 --> 00:15:09,043
- Riffing.
- Clearing the room.
395
00:15:09,043 --> 00:15:10,378
Help us.
396
00:15:10,378 --> 00:15:11,629
OK, I finally finished watching
397
00:15:11,629 --> 00:15:13,214
all of the Rich training videos,
398
00:15:13,214 --> 00:15:14,673
and there is a lot.
399
00:15:14,673 --> 00:15:17,760
Um, take lesson 277...
400
00:15:21,013 --> 00:15:22,765
My azaleas!
401
00:15:22,765 --> 00:15:26,394
A cold case where victim
Azalea Robinson was found
402
00:15:26,394 --> 00:15:28,229
stabbed near a ski resort.
403
00:15:28,229 --> 00:15:29,605
- You're kidding.
- No.
404
00:15:29,605 --> 00:15:32,608
And in lesson 290,
Rich is holding a folder
405
00:15:32,608 --> 00:15:34,402
with a Post-It note
on the back with a brown star
406
00:15:34,402 --> 00:15:35,736
- drawn on it.
- I'm lost.
407
00:15:35,736 --> 00:15:38,489
Right, so I looked up
the cold cases
408
00:15:38,489 --> 00:15:40,199
to see if there were
any victims with names
409
00:15:40,199 --> 00:15:42,118
like Star or Stella,
410
00:15:42,118 --> 00:15:43,619
and there was one hit,
411
00:15:43,619 --> 00:15:45,121
Stella Brown,
412
00:15:45,121 --> 00:15:47,415
also found stabbed in the chest.
413
00:15:47,415 --> 00:15:49,375
In all,
Lucy found clues pointing
414
00:15:49,375 --> 00:15:51,794
to seven different cold cases.
415
00:15:51,794 --> 00:15:53,796
But why was Rich hiding
the names of murder victims
416
00:15:53,796 --> 00:15:55,631
in police training videos?
417
00:15:55,631 --> 00:15:56,882
Based on what
we could piece together,
418
00:15:56,882 --> 00:15:59,176
he believed he had stumbled
upon a conspiracy...
419
00:15:59,176 --> 00:16:01,512
a series of connected murders
committed by person
420
00:16:01,512 --> 00:16:03,139
or persons unknown.
421
00:16:03,139 --> 00:16:04,932
If that were the case,
why not just report
422
00:16:04,932 --> 00:16:07,309
his suspicion?
He was a cop for 30 years.
423
00:16:07,309 --> 00:16:09,812
Well, Rich had
a bit of a reputation
424
00:16:09,812 --> 00:16:14,358
within the department for,
shall we say, magical thinking.
425
00:16:14,358 --> 00:16:18,195
So unfortunately, his theory
was dismissed out of hand.
426
00:16:18,195 --> 00:16:20,156
But why did he think
the murders were connected?
427
00:16:20,156 --> 00:16:21,657
Well, for starters,
they were all stabbed
428
00:16:21,657 --> 00:16:23,784
in the chest,
but more importantly,
429
00:16:23,784 --> 00:16:25,411
each victim was found
with a penny
430
00:16:25,411 --> 00:16:26,871
either in or on their person.
431
00:16:26,871 --> 00:16:28,205
What do you mean "in"?
432
00:16:28,205 --> 00:16:30,332
One had a penny in her stomach.
433
00:16:30,332 --> 00:16:32,501
Another had one
shoved up his nose.
434
00:16:32,501 --> 00:16:33,836
Stella Brown lucked out.
435
00:16:33,836 --> 00:16:35,754
Hers was just
clasped in her hand.
436
00:16:35,754 --> 00:16:38,257
And when we re-examined
Marcus Ford's corpse,
437
00:16:38,257 --> 00:16:41,635
the ME found one inserted into
the heel of his left foot.
438
00:16:41,635 --> 00:16:43,345
Why?
439
00:16:43,345 --> 00:16:45,639
Did we mention that
they were all minted in 1930?
440
00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:47,892
- OK.
Well, I just got goosebumps.
441
00:16:47,892 --> 00:16:50,102
Rich's autopsy also revealed
that he had swallowed
442
00:16:50,102 --> 00:16:52,229
close to 50 pennies
before he died.
443
00:16:52,229 --> 00:16:53,481
Gross.
444
00:16:53,481 --> 00:16:55,191
So at this point,
was your theory...
445
00:16:55,191 --> 00:16:57,067
I actually have no idea what
their theory would have been.
446
00:16:57,067 --> 00:16:59,737
Yeah, well, I would tell you,
but we were way off the mark,
447
00:16:59,737 --> 00:17:01,947
which we were about to discover
448
00:17:01,947 --> 00:17:04,742
when we got access
to his cloud account.
449
00:17:04,742 --> 00:17:07,369
OK.
450
00:17:07,369 --> 00:17:09,955
I may have finally found it.
451
00:17:09,955 --> 00:17:12,708
I am so close to getting
some real answers.
452
00:17:14,919 --> 00:17:17,046
See that?
453
00:17:30,851 --> 00:17:33,354
Oh, whoa.
454
00:17:33,354 --> 00:17:34,355
Ha!
455
00:17:36,357 --> 00:17:38,400
Oh, my God.
No! No.
456
00:17:40,945 --> 00:17:43,364
For a guy pretending to be dead,
457
00:17:43,364 --> 00:17:45,241
breaking into a secure
military facility
458
00:17:45,241 --> 00:17:47,284
doesn't seem like the best idea.
459
00:17:47,284 --> 00:17:50,955
Well, he wasn't just breaking
into any military facility.
460
00:17:50,955 --> 00:17:52,414
It was Area 67.
461
00:17:52,414 --> 00:17:53,707
What does that mean?
462
00:17:53,707 --> 00:17:56,418
That's where the government
keeps the aliens.
463
00:18:04,677 --> 00:18:05,553
So Rich broke into
a secret government base
464
00:18:05,553 --> 00:18:07,429
on the hunt for
a massive conspiracy,
465
00:18:07,429 --> 00:18:08,931
then stabbed himself
in the chest?
466
00:18:08,931 --> 00:18:10,516
I mean, at that point,
it's obvious what happened.
467
00:18:10,516 --> 00:18:12,434
- Is it?
- Come on.
468
00:18:12,434 --> 00:18:14,520
Remember what Rich said
right before he died?
469
00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,105
I can't die.
470
00:18:16,105 --> 00:18:17,064
It's inside of me.
471
00:18:17,064 --> 00:18:18,816
It won't let me die.
472
00:18:18,816 --> 00:18:20,234
Yeah, I'm not following.
473
00:18:20,234 --> 00:18:22,987
Rich was exposed
to an alien parasite.
474
00:18:22,987 --> 00:18:25,531
It was inside him.
475
00:18:25,531 --> 00:18:28,075
Were you familiar with Area 67?
476
00:18:28,075 --> 00:18:29,868
- I'd heard of it.
Yeah.
477
00:18:29,868 --> 00:18:32,580
There's this AM radio station
I used to listen to
478
00:18:32,580 --> 00:18:34,206
back in Foxburg.
479
00:18:34,206 --> 00:18:35,833
Kept me awake when
I was working late.
480
00:18:35,833 --> 00:18:38,669
The host was obsessed with UFOs.
481
00:18:38,669 --> 00:18:40,880
- "Val's Velvet Bunker"?
- That's the one.
482
00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,174
He was a little bit out there,
but always entertaining.
483
00:18:44,174 --> 00:18:47,553
{\an8}Area 51 is theater.
484
00:18:47,553 --> 00:18:49,263
{\an8}Do you believe?
485
00:18:49,263 --> 00:18:52,099
Do you really believe
the most secretive
486
00:18:52,099 --> 00:18:54,727
military installation
in the world would let itself
487
00:18:54,727 --> 00:18:56,729
become a tourist attraction?
488
00:18:56,729 --> 00:18:58,022
No, no, no, no.
489
00:18:58,022 --> 00:19:00,691
Area 51 is the distraction.
490
00:19:00,691 --> 00:19:03,652
Area 67 is the real deal.
491
00:19:03,652 --> 00:19:06,196
You know why California
has all those earthquakes?
492
00:19:06,196 --> 00:19:08,949
It's not the San Andreas
Fault, my friends.
493
00:19:08,949 --> 00:19:12,119
It's the sonic resonance
from Area 67's
494
00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,954
underground testing chambers.
495
00:19:13,954 --> 00:19:15,873
Did you believe in his theories?
496
00:19:15,873 --> 00:19:17,291
No, no.
497
00:19:17,291 --> 00:19:19,084
Like I said, just entertainment.
498
00:19:19,084 --> 00:19:20,044
Let's hear from a caller.
499
00:19:20,044 --> 00:19:21,795
{\an8}Hi, name's John.
500
00:19:21,795 --> 00:19:22,963
{\an8}Longtime listener,
fourth-time caller.
501
00:19:22,963 --> 00:19:25,633
- Hey, John from Foxburg.
Welcome back.
502
00:19:25,633 --> 00:19:26,759
What have you got
for us tonight?
503
00:19:26,759 --> 00:19:29,345
I swear to God I just saw a UFO.
504
00:19:31,639 --> 00:19:34,725
John is such a common name.
505
00:19:34,725 --> 00:19:37,353
I'm open to the possibility
of extraterrestrial life.
506
00:19:37,353 --> 00:19:38,646
{\an8}- You are?
- Yeah.
507
00:19:38,646 --> 00:19:40,272
{\an8}I mean, it's a big universe.
508
00:19:40,272 --> 00:19:42,316
{\an8}- Anything could be out there.
- I don't know.
509
00:19:42,316 --> 00:19:45,152
People who claim to have seen
aliens tend to be a little off.
510
00:19:45,152 --> 00:19:46,945
You were friends
with a corpse, right?
511
00:19:46,945 --> 00:19:48,322
Well, yeah,
we were more than friends,
512
00:19:48,322 --> 00:19:49,949
but fair enough.
OK.
513
00:19:49,949 --> 00:19:52,368
Legally, is it necrophilia
514
00:19:52,368 --> 00:19:53,952
if she only did
over the clothes stuff?
515
00:19:53,952 --> 00:19:56,455
- That's a great question.
- Oh, I definitely believe.
516
00:19:56,455 --> 00:19:58,248
In fact,
517
00:19:58,248 --> 00:20:00,501
I've been abducted by aliens.
518
00:20:00,501 --> 00:20:02,878
- Really?
- Multiple times.
519
00:20:02,878 --> 00:20:06,298
Apparently,
I'm a fascinating subject.
520
00:20:06,298 --> 00:20:09,510
I remember the last time
Smitty was "abducted."
521
00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:11,178
Turns out he partied
too hard in Vegas
522
00:20:11,178 --> 00:20:12,805
and woke up in Wisconsin.
523
00:20:12,805 --> 00:20:14,556
Missing time,
524
00:20:14,556 --> 00:20:17,518
one of the hallmarks
of alien abductions.
525
00:20:17,518 --> 00:20:19,645
- And binge drinking.
- Point is,
526
00:20:19,645 --> 00:20:22,314
the government
had little gray men
527
00:20:22,314 --> 00:20:24,733
in their secret labs
for decades.
528
00:20:24,733 --> 00:20:26,527
What are they doing with them?
529
00:20:26,527 --> 00:20:29,154
They're implanting the aliens
in unsuspecting hosts
530
00:20:29,154 --> 00:20:30,781
and taking over their bodies.
531
00:20:30,781 --> 00:20:34,368
You just never know
who might be one of them.
532
00:20:35,995 --> 00:20:38,872
{\an8}Some people in the station
believed Rich stabbed himself
533
00:20:38,872 --> 00:20:40,833
{\an8}to kill an alien parasite,
534
00:20:40,833 --> 00:20:42,334
but I wouldn't say
535
00:20:42,334 --> 00:20:44,294
that was a dominant theory.
536
00:20:44,294 --> 00:20:45,838
It wasn't long before
we figured out
537
00:20:45,838 --> 00:20:48,298
Rich believed something darker,
538
00:20:48,298 --> 00:20:50,718
and it was connected
to the seven murders.
539
00:20:50,718 --> 00:20:52,344
Then why did Rich break
into the army base?
540
00:20:52,344 --> 00:20:54,972
{\an8}Yes, I remember the incident.
541
00:20:54,972 --> 00:20:56,432
{\an8}Rich Rowley cut through a fence.
542
00:20:56,432 --> 00:20:58,600
{\an8}He trespassed on
government property.
543
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,311
He was promptly apprehended
and sent on his way.
544
00:21:01,311 --> 00:21:03,856
Do you have any idea
what Rich was looking for?
545
00:21:03,856 --> 00:21:06,650
Uh, as it turns out,
he was looking for me.
546
00:21:06,650 --> 00:21:09,862
But not because of
any alleged aliens.
547
00:21:09,862 --> 00:21:12,281
So why did he come?
548
00:21:12,281 --> 00:21:15,242
Uh, this part is a...
549
00:21:15,242 --> 00:21:17,953
is a little bit embarrassing.
Um...
550
00:21:17,953 --> 00:21:20,247
before I found my calling
in the military,
551
00:21:20,247 --> 00:21:23,000
I thought that
I wanted to be an actor,
552
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,961
and I was in a few DTV movies.
553
00:21:25,961 --> 00:21:27,087
What's DTV?
554
00:21:27,087 --> 00:21:28,213
You're so young.
555
00:21:28,213 --> 00:21:29,673
Uh, direct to video.
556
00:21:29,673 --> 00:21:32,009
They made all these
super cheap movies
557
00:21:32,009 --> 00:21:33,802
back in the '80s and '90s.
558
00:21:33,802 --> 00:21:35,345
You make them as cheaply
as possible
559
00:21:35,345 --> 00:21:37,389
and then hope that someone
was drawn in enough
560
00:21:37,389 --> 00:21:39,808
{\an8}by the cover art to rent them.
561
00:21:39,808 --> 00:21:42,394
{\an8}- A guy can't have a side gig?
- Totally.
562
00:21:42,394 --> 00:21:43,979
How did you get into acting?
563
00:21:43,979 --> 00:21:46,523
{\an8}Some director scouted me
when I pulled him over.
564
00:21:46,523 --> 00:21:49,318
{\an8}He said I had a bitchin' bod.
565
00:21:49,318 --> 00:21:50,986
Well, he wasn't wrong.
566
00:21:50,986 --> 00:21:53,864
But I gave it up 'cause
the people of this city
567
00:21:53,864 --> 00:21:55,949
- needed a savior.
- Mm.
568
00:21:55,949 --> 00:21:58,202
Yeah, you are the model
of public service.
569
00:21:58,202 --> 00:22:00,037
Right.
570
00:22:00,037 --> 00:22:03,082
Anyway, Rich became
interested in this terrible
571
00:22:03,082 --> 00:22:06,293
B movie that I was in.
I played a monk.
572
00:22:06,293 --> 00:22:08,837
It was called
"300 Days of Hell."
573
00:22:13,092 --> 00:22:14,968
Terrible B movie,
that's what he called it?
574
00:22:14,968 --> 00:22:17,346
"300 Days of Hell" is the
scariest film of the 1990s.
575
00:22:17,346 --> 00:22:18,931
Really?
576
00:22:18,931 --> 00:22:20,891
"The Ring", "Scream,"
"Blair Witch Project"?
577
00:22:20,891 --> 00:22:22,851
Which one of us executive
produced a horror movie?
578
00:22:22,851 --> 00:22:25,104
Trust me, "THDOH"
579
00:22:25,104 --> 00:22:27,106
is true nightmare fuel.
580
00:22:27,106 --> 00:22:29,191
It's not that scary.
581
00:22:29,191 --> 00:22:31,735
She made me watch it at the
beginning of our relationship.
582
00:22:31,735 --> 00:22:34,613
When he was still
trying to impress me.
583
00:22:34,613 --> 00:22:36,740
You wanna watch it
again tonight?
584
00:22:36,740 --> 00:22:39,493
- I would.
Totally.
585
00:22:39,493 --> 00:22:42,496
I do have plans, though.
586
00:22:42,496 --> 00:22:44,081
Yeah I'm not watching that crap,
587
00:22:44,081 --> 00:22:45,791
even if it is for a case.
588
00:22:45,791 --> 00:22:48,043
I see enough horror on the job.
589
00:22:48,043 --> 00:22:51,088
That being said,
"300 Days of Hell"
590
00:22:51,088 --> 00:22:53,090
was our first real window
into the rabbit hole
591
00:22:53,090 --> 00:22:54,508
that Rich had gone down.
592
00:22:54,508 --> 00:22:56,051
A rabbit hole filled
with demons...
593
00:22:56,051 --> 00:22:58,971
or rather, a demon.
594
00:22:58,971 --> 00:23:00,681
So Rich believed a demon
had killed all those people?
595
00:23:00,681 --> 00:23:02,391
No, the killers
were definitely human.
596
00:23:02,391 --> 00:23:04,184
- Killers, plural?
- Yeah.
597
00:23:04,184 --> 00:23:06,645
There was different trace DNA
on all the bodies,
598
00:23:06,645 --> 00:23:08,772
all from different subjects,
and none of them
599
00:23:08,772 --> 00:23:11,191
- were in the system.
- Meaning?
600
00:23:11,191 --> 00:23:12,442
The murders were committed
by a group of people
601
00:23:12,442 --> 00:23:14,528
with shared beliefs.
602
00:23:14,528 --> 00:23:15,737
A murder cult?
603
00:23:15,737 --> 00:23:18,198
The cult believed a demon
named Malaphus
604
00:23:18,198 --> 00:23:20,534
had been possessing people
all across the city,
605
00:23:20,534 --> 00:23:24,496
jumping from host to host, and
it was up to them to stop it.
606
00:23:33,046 --> 00:23:35,132
{\an8}The legend of Malaphus
is centuries old.
607
00:23:35,132 --> 00:23:38,343
{\an8}The first mention we see of him
is 1433's
608
00:23:38,343 --> 00:23:40,554
"Lesser Grimoire of Solomon"
609
00:23:40,554 --> 00:23:44,141
by Slovenian inquisitor
Terentius Bruma,
610
00:23:44,141 --> 00:23:48,270
a reference text of demons
and their attributes.
611
00:23:48,270 --> 00:23:50,397
- Gnarly.
- Right?
612
00:23:50,397 --> 00:23:53,400
He's also known as
the Deceiver, the Infestor,
613
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,986
and Demon of 300 days.
Why?
614
00:23:55,986 --> 00:23:58,322
Once summoned to Earth,
Malaphus won't rest
615
00:23:58,322 --> 00:24:00,115
until he finds a human host.
616
00:24:00,115 --> 00:24:03,035
After possession begins,
he incubates
617
00:24:03,035 --> 00:24:05,245
300 days.
618
00:24:05,245 --> 00:24:06,788
What happens after 300 days?
619
00:24:06,788 --> 00:24:08,582
He reaches full strength,
620
00:24:08,582 --> 00:24:11,877
and his power
becomes uncontainable.
621
00:24:11,877 --> 00:24:13,253
Uh-oh.
622
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:16,882
Um, if Malaphus
was summoned to Earth,
623
00:24:16,882 --> 00:24:18,508
how would one stop him?
624
00:24:18,508 --> 00:24:21,887
Bruma suggests killing the
host might slow Malaphus down,
625
00:24:21,887 --> 00:24:25,599
forcing him to regenerate
before he can find a new host,
626
00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:28,393
a process
that also can be slowed
627
00:24:28,393 --> 00:24:30,896
by the use of copper.
628
00:24:30,896 --> 00:24:33,565
- It was the pennies.
- The pennies.
629
00:24:33,565 --> 00:24:35,108
It all came back to the pennies.
630
00:24:35,108 --> 00:24:38,695
Before 1984,
U.S. pennies were 95% copper.
631
00:24:38,695 --> 00:24:41,240
So the copper in the pennies
was meant to bind the demon,
632
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,574
but what about the 1930 part?
633
00:24:42,574 --> 00:24:45,410
Uh, are you familiar
with numerology?
634
00:24:46,954 --> 00:24:49,665
Some ancient peoples...
and Taylor Swift...
635
00:24:49,665 --> 00:24:52,668
believed there was
a mystical connection
636
00:24:52,668 --> 00:24:55,462
between letters and numbers.
637
00:24:55,462 --> 00:24:57,631
Using the Chaldean method,
the name Malaphus
638
00:24:57,631 --> 00:24:59,716
becomes a digit, 1930.
639
00:24:59,716 --> 00:25:02,260
- So you're saying...
- We had a theory.
640
00:25:02,260 --> 00:25:04,888
Whoever killed those people
believed the victims
641
00:25:04,888 --> 00:25:07,057
were possessed by Malaphus.
642
00:25:07,057 --> 00:25:10,811
They had to reach
Malaphus's host before
643
00:25:10,811 --> 00:25:12,521
he reached his true form.
644
00:25:12,521 --> 00:25:14,022
A 1930 penny was
the perfect tool.
645
00:25:14,022 --> 00:25:16,608
Yeah, Rich's talk of,
"it's inside me,
646
00:25:16,608 --> 00:25:18,944
it won't let me die,"
he thought he was infested
647
00:25:18,944 --> 00:25:20,362
by this demon, too,
648
00:25:20,362 --> 00:25:21,905
and that's why
he killed himself.
649
00:25:21,905 --> 00:25:23,407
Wait.
650
00:25:23,407 --> 00:25:24,825
I thought Rich didn't
believe in Malaphus.
651
00:25:24,825 --> 00:25:27,119
Isn't that why he was
trying to stop the cult?
652
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,371
Well, yes, but, I mean,
years of obsession and paranoia
653
00:25:29,371 --> 00:25:31,331
can do a number
on a person's psyche.
654
00:25:31,331 --> 00:25:32,457
I mean, it seems as though,
in the end,
655
00:25:32,457 --> 00:25:34,126
Rich could no longer distinguish
656
00:25:34,126 --> 00:25:35,752
fantasy from reality.
657
00:25:35,752 --> 00:25:37,504
And you got this theory
from Rich's files?
658
00:25:37,504 --> 00:25:39,548
Well, I mean,
we actually got it from Lopez.
659
00:25:39,548 --> 00:25:42,134
And they say watching
old horror movies
660
00:25:42,134 --> 00:25:44,428
isn't a good use of time.
661
00:25:44,428 --> 00:25:46,680
I never said that.
662
00:25:53,895 --> 00:25:56,106
Are we safe, brother?
663
00:25:56,106 --> 00:25:58,108
Is Malaphus banished?
664
00:25:58,108 --> 00:25:59,860
His sigil is drawn.
665
00:25:59,860 --> 00:26:01,778
The rite is spoken.
666
00:26:01,778 --> 00:26:05,782
We have sealed his last
human vessel with copper.
667
00:26:12,205 --> 00:26:13,999
Heaven forgive us.
668
00:26:13,999 --> 00:26:15,959
Indeed.
669
00:26:15,959 --> 00:26:18,003
For hell will not.
670
00:26:19,171 --> 00:26:21,381
Midnight,
671
00:26:21,381 --> 00:26:24,426
the 300th day.
672
00:26:24,426 --> 00:26:27,054
Our task was done none too soon.
673
00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:55,374
Yeah, that was me.
674
00:26:57,751 --> 00:26:59,544
- Do you guys want a glass?
- No, I'm good.
675
00:26:59,544 --> 00:27:02,047
Oh, you got anything stronger?
676
00:27:02,047 --> 00:27:04,591
Fine.
I'll just take a glass.
677
00:27:04,591 --> 00:27:06,635
OK, I'll, just...
I'll have nothing, actually.
678
00:27:06,635 --> 00:27:08,428
No fun for me.
679
00:27:08,428 --> 00:27:12,224
Yeah, that was
my first big movie role.
680
00:27:12,224 --> 00:27:15,894
Well, my only one, really.
681
00:27:15,894 --> 00:27:18,772
Rich was so excited
when I told him I booked it.
682
00:27:18,772 --> 00:27:20,732
He helped me run lines.
683
00:27:20,732 --> 00:27:22,317
Did Rich buy in
to the Malaphus mythology?
684
00:27:22,317 --> 00:27:23,985
No.
685
00:27:23,985 --> 00:27:25,987
Weirdly, given all
the conspiracies that Rich
686
00:27:25,987 --> 00:27:29,157
believed in,
he was a total atheist.
687
00:27:29,157 --> 00:27:31,076
But I wouldn't have
blamed him after everything
688
00:27:31,076 --> 00:27:32,619
that happened on that shoot.
689
00:27:32,619 --> 00:27:34,329
Like what?
690
00:27:35,622 --> 00:27:37,541
Before production wrapped,
691
00:27:37,541 --> 00:27:39,543
the DP was paralyzed
driving to set.
692
00:27:39,543 --> 00:27:42,087
A stunt person had
his leg amputated.
693
00:27:42,087 --> 00:27:43,964
There were divorces,
bankruptcies.
694
00:27:43,964 --> 00:27:45,507
Careers ended.
695
00:27:45,507 --> 00:27:49,553
One of the actors even died
in his hotel room.
696
00:27:49,553 --> 00:27:51,513
People say the production
was cursed.
697
00:27:51,513 --> 00:27:53,932
- What about you?
What do you believe?
698
00:27:53,932 --> 00:27:58,228
I believe the real curse
was the director.
699
00:27:58,228 --> 00:28:01,148
He was a reckless maniac that
didn't know how to run a set.
700
00:28:01,148 --> 00:28:03,733
- Cut.
Cut!
701
00:28:03,733 --> 00:28:06,111
{\an8}Arthur! Arthur!
702
00:28:06,111 --> 00:28:09,990
{\an8}Your strangulation,
it has to be real.
703
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:12,159
I wanna feel the life
draining from him.
704
00:28:12,159 --> 00:28:15,871
You, you... you cannot move
from your position,
705
00:28:15,871 --> 00:28:17,581
Not even an inch.
706
00:28:17,581 --> 00:28:21,835
Guys, this ritual is
extremely specific.
707
00:28:21,835 --> 00:28:23,920
OK?
Let's go again.
708
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,505
OK, I thought I was
choking you pretty well.
709
00:28:25,505 --> 00:28:26,965
I'm sorry.
710
00:28:26,965 --> 00:28:27,799
OK, I'm gonna choke you
a little harder.
711
00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:29,593
Ready?
712
00:28:29,593 --> 00:28:31,595
Douglas was real touchy
about the religious stuff.
713
00:28:31,595 --> 00:28:33,889
I guess he had grown up
in some sort of commune,
714
00:28:33,889 --> 00:28:36,808
and this was all based on
stories he was told growing up.
715
00:28:36,808 --> 00:28:39,227
OK, but what I heard
is that they accidentally
716
00:28:39,227 --> 00:28:41,146
summoned Malaphus for real.
717
00:28:41,146 --> 00:28:42,856
The director found
some ancient tome
718
00:28:42,856 --> 00:28:46,234
and inserted the incantation
and rituals verbatim.
719
00:28:46,234 --> 00:28:47,611
Ooh, I love that.
720
00:28:47,611 --> 00:28:49,112
And that's what got me thinking
721
00:28:49,112 --> 00:28:50,822
about the penny killings.
722
00:28:50,822 --> 00:28:53,742
We found the first victim
just a little under 300 days
723
00:28:53,742 --> 00:28:55,785
after the summoning ritual
was filmed.
724
00:28:55,785 --> 00:28:58,079
We knew Rich was aware
of the Malaphus legends.
725
00:28:58,079 --> 00:28:59,998
It was only natural
to link them.
726
00:28:59,998 --> 00:29:02,125
So Rich thought the penny
victims were killed by people
727
00:29:02,125 --> 00:29:03,919
trying to stop Malaphus.
728
00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:06,213
Was he able to identify
any of these killers?
729
00:29:06,213 --> 00:29:07,422
We know he tried.
730
00:29:08,798 --> 00:29:10,467
- Hi.
- Hey. How are you?
731
00:29:10,467 --> 00:29:12,844
- Jared.
- Hello. Wow.
732
00:29:12,844 --> 00:29:15,472
Um, it's a... it's a pleasure
to meet you, gentlemen.
733
00:29:15,472 --> 00:29:16,890
Pleasure to meet you too.
734
00:29:16,890 --> 00:29:18,391
Why don't you tell us
about yourselves?
735
00:29:18,391 --> 00:29:23,021
{\an8} Yeah, we, uh, co-starred
on a TV show together
736
00:29:23,021 --> 00:29:25,398
for 15 seasons
737
00:29:25,398 --> 00:29:27,150
called "Supernatural."
738
00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:29,319
Yeah, we played Sam
and Dean Winchester,
739
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:33,156
brothers that, you know,
tracked and fought
740
00:29:33,156 --> 00:29:35,116
supernatural beings.
741
00:29:35,116 --> 00:29:36,785
- Like "K-Pop Demon Hunters."
- No.
742
00:29:36,785 --> 00:29:38,078
No, not like that.
743
00:29:38,078 --> 00:29:39,913
I mean, kind of like that.
744
00:29:39,913 --> 00:29:41,122
- No.
- Yeah.
745
00:29:41,122 --> 00:29:43,458
OK, can you tell us
about your encounter
746
00:29:43,458 --> 00:29:45,252
- with Rich Rowley?
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
747
00:29:45,252 --> 00:29:46,962
Rich Rowley.
748
00:29:46,962 --> 00:29:51,633
He came to a fan event we did
last year at MonsterCon.
749
00:29:51,633 --> 00:29:53,093
Yeah, you know,
most people show up,
750
00:29:53,093 --> 00:29:57,305
and they just want
an autograph or a photo.
751
00:29:57,305 --> 00:30:00,892
But Rich was a bit of
a different beast altogether.
752
00:30:00,892 --> 00:30:03,103
Yeah, yeah,
he was... he was super
753
00:30:03,103 --> 00:30:05,272
fixated on this one
particular episode
754
00:30:05,272 --> 00:30:07,649
- where we fought a demon.
- Malaphus.
755
00:30:07,649 --> 00:30:09,818
Yeah, uh, that one.
756
00:30:09,818 --> 00:30:14,364
Anyway he seemed to think
we, like, knew more
757
00:30:14,364 --> 00:30:16,199
about it than we were saying.
758
00:30:16,199 --> 00:30:16,950
More about what?
759
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:18,827
Demon hunting.
760
00:30:18,827 --> 00:30:21,913
He kept, like, asking these
super pointed questions,
761
00:30:21,913 --> 00:30:24,124
like... like he was,
I don't know,
762
00:30:24,124 --> 00:30:25,292
testing us or something.
763
00:30:25,292 --> 00:30:27,502
- Did you have an answer?
- No.
764
00:30:27,502 --> 00:30:28,795
No, I mean, we didn't...
765
00:30:28,795 --> 00:30:30,422
we didn't come up
with these stories.
766
00:30:30,422 --> 00:30:32,090
You know, we just did
what the writers wrote.
767
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:33,633
It's called acting.
768
00:30:33,633 --> 00:30:35,844
There's no actual
demon hunters in real life.
769
00:30:35,844 --> 00:30:37,012
Exactly.
770
00:30:37,012 --> 00:30:38,930
Uh, that's not exactly true.
771
00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:41,099
There is at least one.
772
00:30:41,099 --> 00:30:44,936
And it actually connected
to the movie.
773
00:30:44,936 --> 00:30:46,896
We heard the director
brought a priest named
774
00:30:46,896 --> 00:30:48,940
Father Simon McCabe
to bless the set
775
00:30:48,940 --> 00:30:50,275
every day before filming.
776
00:30:50,275 --> 00:30:51,901
Well, it was either that
or the whole crew
777
00:30:51,901 --> 00:30:53,486
was going to walk.
778
00:30:53,486 --> 00:30:56,615
Does that name
mean anything to you?
779
00:30:56,615 --> 00:30:58,033
About 15 years ago.
780
00:30:58,033 --> 00:31:00,493
Lopez and I had just finished
our rookie years.
781
00:31:00,493 --> 00:31:02,829
We responded to a call
at a house.
782
00:31:02,829 --> 00:31:05,373
Priest doing an exorcism
with a 16-year-old girl.
783
00:31:05,373 --> 00:31:06,499
Had been going on
for three days.
784
00:31:06,499 --> 00:31:09,336
Father, no.
785
00:31:09,336 --> 00:31:12,088
Police!
786
00:31:12,088 --> 00:31:13,715
Help her!
787
00:31:13,715 --> 00:31:15,925
Please!
788
00:31:21,348 --> 00:31:24,726
Get away from her!
789
00:31:24,726 --> 00:31:28,480
Father, forgive me.
790
00:31:36,821 --> 00:31:37,989
Did you feel like
you'd seen the devil?
791
00:31:37,989 --> 00:31:39,199
The only thing in that room
that belonged in hell
792
00:31:39,199 --> 00:31:42,369
- was Father Simon.
- He kept saying he had to.
793
00:31:42,369 --> 00:31:44,704
The whole way to the station,
"I'm sorry, I had to.
794
00:31:44,704 --> 00:31:46,206
I'm sorry, I had to."
795
00:31:46,206 --> 00:31:48,083
Because he believed
she was possessed?
796
00:31:48,083 --> 00:31:49,584
She had a brain tumor.
797
00:31:49,584 --> 00:31:52,128
That's what they found
after the autopsy.
798
00:31:52,128 --> 00:31:54,172
She needed a doctor,
not an exorcism.
799
00:31:54,172 --> 00:31:56,674
And he wasn't a man of God.
He was a killer.
800
00:31:56,674 --> 00:31:58,385
The courts agreed.
801
00:31:58,385 --> 00:32:01,304
So Father Simon was convicted
of first-degree murder.
802
00:32:01,304 --> 00:32:03,765
When we processed him,
we found a penny in his pocket.
803
00:32:03,765 --> 00:32:05,350
Nothing else, just a penny.
804
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:06,684
It didn't mean anything
at the time,
805
00:32:06,684 --> 00:32:08,728
but after Rich connected
those seven murders,
806
00:32:08,728 --> 00:32:10,647
it seemed likely
he was involved.
807
00:32:10,647 --> 00:32:12,565
Involved like, he killed them?
808
00:32:12,565 --> 00:32:15,068
No, Simon was already
in prison when five
809
00:32:15,068 --> 00:32:17,529
of the murders took place,
and his DNA didn't match
810
00:32:17,529 --> 00:32:19,572
any that was found
on the corpses.
811
00:32:19,572 --> 00:32:21,741
But he could have been part
of whatever group
812
00:32:21,741 --> 00:32:23,618
Rich was so afraid of.
813
00:32:23,618 --> 00:32:25,870
Which means he knew more
than he had told us.
814
00:32:25,870 --> 00:32:28,248
So we had to go back.
815
00:32:28,248 --> 00:32:31,042
Officers, I remember you.
816
00:32:31,042 --> 00:32:32,877
You... you were the ones
who tried to stop the ritual.
817
00:32:32,877 --> 00:32:34,629
Just wish we would
have gotten here sooner.
818
00:32:34,629 --> 00:32:36,172
Becca Scott
might still be alive.
819
00:32:36,172 --> 00:32:38,633
Oh, she was long gone
before you arrived.
820
00:32:38,633 --> 00:32:41,052
- The demon saw to that.
- Malaphus?
821
00:32:41,052 --> 00:32:42,637
Shh.
822
00:32:42,637 --> 00:32:44,931
Do not say its name
in my presence.
823
00:32:44,931 --> 00:32:47,851
What, are you afraid we
might accidentally summon it?
824
00:32:47,851 --> 00:32:50,562
You may scorn me and my beliefs,
825
00:32:50,562 --> 00:32:52,439
but I have fought this evil.
826
00:32:52,439 --> 00:32:54,607
I know enough to fear its power.
827
00:32:54,607 --> 00:32:57,152
What's more evil
than murdering a child?
828
00:32:57,152 --> 00:32:59,612
I took no pleasure in the act.
829
00:32:59,612 --> 00:33:01,322
I'm grateful I had the courage
to do what was necessary.
830
00:33:01,322 --> 00:33:02,907
Courage?
831
00:33:02,907 --> 00:33:05,493
Tell us about the penny
that was in your pocket.
832
00:33:05,493 --> 00:33:07,495
In the movie "300 Days of Hell",
833
00:33:07,495 --> 00:33:09,581
Malaphus is sealed inside
his host with copper
834
00:33:09,581 --> 00:33:11,291
before he can be killed...
835
00:33:11,291 --> 00:33:13,376
Uh, banished, not killed.
836
00:33:13,376 --> 00:33:15,128
What's the difference?
837
00:33:15,128 --> 00:33:18,298
The demon is a parasite.
838
00:33:18,298 --> 00:33:19,841
It needs a host.
839
00:33:19,841 --> 00:33:21,634
Once you kill the body
that inhabits it,
840
00:33:21,634 --> 00:33:23,470
it'll find a new one.
841
00:33:23,470 --> 00:33:27,307
Becca Scott was just a single
battle in a larger war.
842
00:33:27,307 --> 00:33:31,644
If you're in here,
who's doing the fighting now?
843
00:33:31,644 --> 00:33:33,938
The Knights of Avila.
844
00:33:33,938 --> 00:33:35,940
Los Angeles has a long history
845
00:33:35,940 --> 00:33:38,526
of spiritualism,
esoteric religions
846
00:33:38,526 --> 00:33:40,111
that go back over 100 years.
847
00:33:40,111 --> 00:33:42,989
So think Aleister Crowley,
Jack Parsons,
848
00:33:42,989 --> 00:33:44,991
- L. Ron Hubbard.
- He freaking loves this stuff.
849
00:33:44,991 --> 00:33:46,576
I do.
850
00:33:46,576 --> 00:33:48,536
Anyway, a lot of these groups
started out
851
00:33:48,536 --> 00:33:51,247
as fraternal orders,
similar to the Freemasons,
852
00:33:51,247 --> 00:33:53,208
where people would gather
and... and... share...
853
00:33:53,208 --> 00:33:54,501
- Men.
- Well, yeah.
854
00:33:54,501 --> 00:33:56,961
Yes, and...
and some women.
855
00:33:56,961 --> 00:34:00,089
And they would share new ideas,
explore philosophies.
856
00:34:00,089 --> 00:34:03,176
They also liked partying,
doing drugs,
857
00:34:03,176 --> 00:34:05,762
and performing
weird sex rituals.
858
00:34:05,762 --> 00:34:08,389
Sign me up.
859
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:11,768
For the intellectual exchanging
of ideas, obviously.
860
00:34:11,768 --> 00:34:13,186
So the Knights of Avila
is one of these groups?
861
00:34:13,186 --> 00:34:14,938
It was.
862
00:34:14,938 --> 00:34:16,564
Like a lot of the similar
organizations at the time,
863
00:34:16,564 --> 00:34:18,107
it fell apart
when the founder died.
864
00:34:18,107 --> 00:34:19,192
It hasn't been active in...
865
00:34:19,192 --> 00:34:20,902
60 years?
866
00:34:20,902 --> 00:34:22,821
Then what was
Father Simon talking about?
867
00:34:22,821 --> 00:34:25,823
Based on Tim and Lopez's
conversation with Father Simon,
868
00:34:25,823 --> 00:34:27,659
we began to believe
that the group,
869
00:34:27,659 --> 00:34:30,119
or at least the name,
870
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:32,622
had been revived
sometime in the late '90s
871
00:34:32,622 --> 00:34:35,500
to the early 2000s
and re-branded
872
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:38,419
as some kind of
demon hunting cult.
873
00:34:38,419 --> 00:34:40,755
So Rich was actually right.
874
00:34:40,755 --> 00:34:42,924
There was a murderous cabal
after him.
875
00:34:42,924 --> 00:34:44,217
It seemed that way,
876
00:34:44,217 --> 00:34:46,344
and we were getting close
877
00:34:46,344 --> 00:34:48,555
to discovering
who their ringleader was.
878
00:34:48,555 --> 00:34:51,474
I found him.
879
00:34:51,474 --> 00:34:53,726
- Found who?
- Doug Roberts.
880
00:34:53,726 --> 00:34:55,770
I wanna feel
the life draining from him!
881
00:34:55,770 --> 00:34:57,397
Oh, you mean the director
of the sad little demon porn?
882
00:34:57,397 --> 00:34:58,773
Where?
883
00:34:58,773 --> 00:35:00,358
I was going through
some old industry trades
884
00:35:00,358 --> 00:35:02,902
from around the time "THDOH"
was slated to come out.
885
00:35:02,902 --> 00:35:05,113
One of the articles
mentioned that Roberts
886
00:35:05,113 --> 00:35:06,281
was a client
of Stewart Winecliff
887
00:35:06,281 --> 00:35:07,907
at the Golden Talent Agency.
888
00:35:07,907 --> 00:35:09,534
The guy hasn't made
a movie in 26 years.
889
00:35:09,534 --> 00:35:10,827
I doubt they still rep him.
890
00:35:10,827 --> 00:35:12,787
Not actively, no.
891
00:35:12,787 --> 00:35:14,664
But I called their offices,
and I bribed...
892
00:35:14,664 --> 00:35:16,833
or like, I talked one of
the assistants into giving me
893
00:35:16,833 --> 00:35:18,543
the address where
his residual checks are sent.
894
00:35:18,543 --> 00:35:20,128
It's downtown.
Let's go.
895
00:35:20,128 --> 00:35:21,838
Uh, hold on.
896
00:35:21,838 --> 00:35:23,298
You just wanna go
doorstep the guy?
897
00:35:23,298 --> 00:35:24,549
If that means go knock on a door
898
00:35:24,549 --> 00:35:26,175
while also filming, then yes.
899
00:35:26,175 --> 00:35:28,386
Yeah, I'm not in the business
of gotcha journalism.
900
00:35:28,386 --> 00:35:31,472
What about the business
of making that paper?
901
00:35:31,472 --> 00:35:32,974
The guap?
902
00:35:32,974 --> 00:35:34,851
Money, guy.
903
00:35:34,851 --> 00:35:37,103
Come on, the doc business
is over-saturated these days.
904
00:35:37,103 --> 00:35:39,647
We need footage that P-O-Ps,
905
00:35:39,647 --> 00:35:41,107
and what pops more
than blindsiding
906
00:35:41,107 --> 00:35:43,610
a potential cult leader?
907
00:35:43,610 --> 00:35:44,652
Come on.
908
00:35:44,652 --> 00:35:46,279
What's the worst
that could happen?
909
00:35:47,822 --> 00:35:50,450
- This is it.
- OK.
910
00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:52,285
- Um, here.
Here's your camera.
911
00:35:52,285 --> 00:35:54,162
Um, I don't operate.
912
00:35:54,162 --> 00:35:55,246
Oh, well.
913
00:35:58,041 --> 00:36:01,586
Now, you do.
914
00:36:01,586 --> 00:36:03,880
Let's go.
915
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,466
- What floor is it on?
- Eight.
916
00:36:06,466 --> 00:36:08,885
But there's an elevator.
Don't worry.
917
00:36:14,766 --> 00:36:17,936
- Are you sure it's that way?
- Yep.
918
00:36:17,936 --> 00:36:19,562
Nope.
919
00:36:19,562 --> 00:36:22,982
You know, at the risk of
being called a scaredy cat,
920
00:36:22,982 --> 00:36:24,984
you do understand
that this is inherently
921
00:36:24,984 --> 00:36:27,528
neither a wise
nor safe activity?
922
00:36:27,528 --> 00:36:29,739
You're asking a woman
if she understands
923
00:36:29,739 --> 00:36:33,368
that it's inherently dangerous
to go anywhere or do anything?
924
00:36:33,368 --> 00:36:36,245
When you put it that way,
I sound like an ass.
925
00:36:36,245 --> 00:36:37,330
Yeah.
926
00:36:39,957 --> 00:36:41,501
Maybe we should come back?
927
00:36:41,501 --> 00:36:43,920
Hey. Hello.
928
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,672
Douglas Roberts,
we're here to question you
929
00:36:45,672 --> 00:36:47,882
about murders and demons.
930
00:36:47,882 --> 00:36:50,134
That should get his attention.
931
00:36:50,134 --> 00:36:51,761
Oh.
932
00:36:51,761 --> 00:36:54,138
I am just an intern.
933
00:36:59,018 --> 00:37:02,605
So clearly we're not
deceased, which means...
934
00:37:02,605 --> 00:37:04,190
We saved you from certain death.
935
00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:05,608
I'm not sure
how certain it was, right?
936
00:37:05,608 --> 00:37:07,235
Oh, it felt
pretty certain to me.
937
00:37:07,235 --> 00:37:08,653
Please don't kill us.
938
00:37:08,653 --> 00:37:10,154
We will join your cult.
Is there a membership fee
939
00:37:10,154 --> 00:37:11,781
or a secret handshake?
940
00:37:11,781 --> 00:37:13,032
- I love a secret handshake.
- Ignore her.
941
00:37:13,032 --> 00:37:14,534
She's not right in the head.
942
00:37:14,534 --> 00:37:16,327
In fact, she has
short-term memory issues.
943
00:37:16,327 --> 00:37:18,121
So if you let her go now,
she won't remember any of this.
944
00:37:18,121 --> 00:37:19,914
- Just shut up.
No one's going anywhere.
945
00:37:19,914 --> 00:37:21,165
I mean, technically,
we're all going somewhere.
946
00:37:25,753 --> 00:37:28,172
- All right, let them go.
Put your hands up.
947
00:37:28,172 --> 00:37:31,801
{\an8}Up against the Jeep, now.
Let's go.
948
00:37:36,597 --> 00:37:38,850
Oh, hey.
949
00:37:38,850 --> 00:37:41,436
Thanks for trying to save me,
even though
950
00:37:41,436 --> 00:37:43,229
I'm the one
who put us in danger.
951
00:37:43,229 --> 00:37:44,939
No problem.
952
00:37:44,939 --> 00:37:46,941
I was about to do
the same thing, but you just
953
00:37:46,941 --> 00:37:48,484
beat me to it.
954
00:37:48,484 --> 00:37:50,695
- I can be noble, too.
- No doubt.
955
00:37:50,695 --> 00:37:52,905
Uh, I get very claustrophobic.
956
00:37:52,905 --> 00:37:54,991
Can I just point out how
claustrophobic I get, please?
957
00:37:54,991 --> 00:37:57,410
So when did you
and Douglas meet?
958
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:58,745
In the movie.
959
00:37:58,745 --> 00:38:02,498
He was, you know,
so commanding and driven
960
00:38:02,498 --> 00:38:04,375
and everything I wasn't.
961
00:38:04,375 --> 00:38:06,544
When did he start talking
about killing the demon?
962
00:38:06,544 --> 00:38:08,838
It was, uh, at least
a year after that.
963
00:38:08,838 --> 00:38:11,507
He would call me late at night
964
00:38:11,507 --> 00:38:13,593
and talk about the demon
and how scared
965
00:38:13,593 --> 00:38:15,136
he was for the world,
966
00:38:15,136 --> 00:38:17,764
and eventually
it started to make sense.
967
00:38:17,764 --> 00:38:20,933
And he told you that
someone was possessed?
968
00:38:20,933 --> 00:38:22,894
- Correct.
Her name was Cynthia.
969
00:38:22,894 --> 00:38:24,562
Um,
970
00:38:24,562 --> 00:38:27,440
she cried when I tied her up,
and she kept saying
971
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,859
that she was not a demon.
972
00:38:29,859 --> 00:38:31,652
She begged me
to believe her, and...
973
00:38:35,865 --> 00:38:39,077
At that point,
he was very deep in my head.
974
00:38:39,077 --> 00:38:41,496
And then tonight,
you know, all the lies
975
00:38:41,496 --> 00:38:43,664
he was spewing at the end,
976
00:38:43,664 --> 00:38:45,500
it was like somebody
turned on a light switch.
977
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:48,127
I could just see him
for who he was.
978
00:38:48,127 --> 00:38:49,712
So pathetic.
979
00:38:52,715 --> 00:38:55,259
We'll need you to write up
a detailed confession.
980
00:38:59,972 --> 00:39:01,724
I would like to make a deal.
981
00:39:03,434 --> 00:39:06,020
Uh, we have already located
your co-conspirators.
982
00:39:06,020 --> 00:39:09,190
You don't really have
anything to offer.
983
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:12,318
You don't want to know what
an alien spaceship looks like?
984
00:39:13,986 --> 00:39:17,740
I am all that stands between
the world
985
00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:19,325
and damnation.
986
00:39:19,325 --> 00:39:21,202
So all of the people
that you had targeted,
987
00:39:21,202 --> 00:39:24,997
they had to die
for the greater good?
988
00:39:24,997 --> 00:39:28,751
Yes, and my heart breaks
for each of them.
989
00:39:28,751 --> 00:39:31,796
But I will not let innocents
fall to perdition.
990
00:39:31,796 --> 00:39:33,923
OK, have you had
your fill of BS?
991
00:39:33,923 --> 00:39:35,091
God, yes.
992
00:39:35,091 --> 00:39:36,175
OK, me, too.
993
00:39:36,175 --> 00:39:40,555
So, uh, first victim,
Cynthia Green.
994
00:39:40,555 --> 00:39:42,807
You dated for two years
before she cheated on you.
995
00:39:42,807 --> 00:39:45,768
Marcus Ford, he worked as
a teamster on your movie,
996
00:39:45,768 --> 00:39:48,563
then later sued you
for nonpayment.
997
00:39:48,563 --> 00:39:52,817
Pamela Jones wrote a scathing
review of your movie.
998
00:39:52,817 --> 00:39:53,985
Really? I...
999
00:39:53,985 --> 00:39:56,070
I had no idea.
1000
00:39:56,070 --> 00:39:59,448
All seven victims were people
who wronged you in some way.
1001
00:39:59,448 --> 00:40:01,325
You don't even believe
in the demon.
1002
00:40:01,325 --> 00:40:03,369
You just used it as a tool
to get people with weak minds
1003
00:40:03,369 --> 00:40:05,246
to do your dirty work for you.
1004
00:40:07,373 --> 00:40:09,167
Exactly.
1005
00:40:09,167 --> 00:40:10,793
I was the director.
1006
00:40:10,793 --> 00:40:13,087
I think you'll find
I never laid a finger
1007
00:40:13,087 --> 00:40:14,922
on any of the victims.
1008
00:40:14,922 --> 00:40:18,384
And I think you will find
that Manson died in prison.
1009
00:40:20,553 --> 00:40:22,096
All right.
1010
00:40:22,096 --> 00:40:23,598
Uh, anything else?
1011
00:40:23,598 --> 00:40:25,516
No, I think we got everything.
1012
00:40:25,516 --> 00:40:27,643
OK.
1013
00:40:27,643 --> 00:40:29,979
- That was a crazy one, huh?
- Tell me about it.
1014
00:40:29,979 --> 00:40:32,148
And look, thanks so much
for all of your time,
1015
00:40:32,148 --> 00:40:33,774
and for saving our lives.
1016
00:40:33,774 --> 00:40:35,318
Anything for
my favorite documentarian.
1017
00:40:35,318 --> 00:40:36,611
Actually, the only
documentarian I know.
1018
00:40:36,611 --> 00:40:37,695
Not true.
1019
00:40:37,695 --> 00:40:39,906
- I'm a documentarian too.
- Of course.
1020
00:40:39,906 --> 00:40:42,783
Yes... oh, speaking of,
how did this whole
1021
00:40:42,783 --> 00:40:44,785
working together thing go?
1022
00:40:44,785 --> 00:40:47,038
Is this the start of
a beautiful friendship?
1023
00:40:47,038 --> 00:40:48,748
I don't know.
1024
00:40:48,748 --> 00:40:50,458
I mean, we have
very different styles
1025
00:40:50,458 --> 00:40:52,960
and instincts and, well,
basically everything,
1026
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,421
but I'd be open
to another collaboration.
1027
00:40:57,590 --> 00:41:00,676
Oh, um, it's just I...
1028
00:41:00,676 --> 00:41:03,804
I kind of signed an exclusive
three-film deal with Hulu?
1029
00:41:03,804 --> 00:41:05,890
What?
1030
00:41:05,890 --> 00:41:07,642
Yeah, I... I sent them
a sizzle reel of this project,
1031
00:41:07,642 --> 00:41:10,519
just the me parts,
and they freaked.
1032
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:12,229
Said I'm gonna be
"the new face of true crime."
1033
00:41:12,229 --> 00:41:13,814
- Their words.
- Wow.
1034
00:41:13,814 --> 00:41:16,192
I mean, you'd probably be able
to bring him along,
1035
00:41:16,192 --> 00:41:17,235
though, right?
1036
00:41:17,235 --> 00:41:20,154
- Oh, totally.
Totally.
1037
00:41:22,031 --> 00:41:25,743
I gotta go, but thanks again.
Hello.
1038
00:41:25,743 --> 00:41:28,412
No, I said Toronto
and then Cannes.
1039
00:41:30,373 --> 00:41:32,375
She'll probably call you.
1040
00:41:32,375 --> 00:41:33,376
No.
1041
00:42:11,580 --> 00:42:12,456
Damn it.
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