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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,860 --> 00:00:20,280 7-Adam-15, we're code 6 at the 911 call location. 2 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:21,990 Any further contact from the distressed individual? 3 00:00:21,990 --> 00:00:23,325 Negative. 4 00:00:23,325 --> 00:00:24,868 Do you want me to start additional units? 5 00:00:24,868 --> 00:00:27,662 Uh, no. Give us a minute to scope it out first. 6 00:00:27,662 --> 00:00:29,790 - You ready? - Do I have a choice? 7 00:00:29,790 --> 00:00:31,082 {\an8}That's the spirit. 8 00:00:38,465 --> 00:00:39,925 LAPD. 9 00:00:39,925 --> 00:00:41,885 We've received a distress call from this location. 10 00:00:41,885 --> 00:00:44,471 We are making entry. 11 00:00:46,473 --> 00:00:47,974 Ooh. 12 00:00:51,311 --> 00:00:53,688 Oh. Do you feel that? 13 00:00:53,688 --> 00:00:54,689 Feel what? 14 00:00:54,689 --> 00:00:56,858 Ah, something evil's in here. 15 00:00:56,858 --> 00:00:58,652 Well, sure smells like it. 16 00:01:06,284 --> 00:01:09,913 I can't die. 17 00:01:09,913 --> 00:01:14,376 Won't let me die. 18 00:01:14,376 --> 00:01:16,837 - Police. Show yourself. 19 00:01:19,381 --> 00:01:21,967 - I can't die. It's inside of me. 20 00:01:21,967 --> 00:01:24,344 - It won't let me die. - Don't touch that, all right? 21 00:01:24,344 --> 00:01:26,012 Just... call this in. Call it in. 22 00:01:26,012 --> 00:01:28,265 I need an RA to my location for a stabbing victim. 23 00:01:28,265 --> 00:01:29,849 So I usually sit right next to camera 24 00:01:29,849 --> 00:01:31,101 to keep the eyeline tight. 25 00:01:31,101 --> 00:01:32,769 Then I'll just sit on the other side. 26 00:01:32,769 --> 00:01:34,104 No, because then you'll split his look. 27 00:01:34,104 --> 00:01:36,106 - I don't think it matters. - Oh, hey. Hi. 28 00:01:36,106 --> 00:01:37,941 Thanks... thanks again for sitting down with me. 29 00:01:37,941 --> 00:01:40,569 - Us. - What? Oh, right, us. 30 00:01:40,569 --> 00:01:42,737 Uh, why are you filming? 31 00:01:42,737 --> 00:01:44,406 {\an8}Oh, I just wanted to document the new partnership. 32 00:01:44,406 --> 00:01:46,074 {\an8}Abigail was very excited. 33 00:01:46,074 --> 00:01:47,951 - It's not a partnership. - It's totally a partnership. 34 00:01:47,951 --> 00:01:50,161 - The judge was very clear. - The judge? 35 00:01:50,161 --> 00:01:51,538 My name is Abigail Tierney. 36 00:01:51,538 --> 00:01:53,582 I'm currently trapped inside a secret lab 37 00:01:53,582 --> 00:01:54,958 at Westview Psychiatric. 38 00:01:54,958 --> 00:01:57,544 All attempts at escape have proven fruitless. 39 00:01:57,544 --> 00:01:59,879 I may have inadvertently used some of Abigail's footage 40 00:01:59,879 --> 00:02:02,841 in my last documentary without gaining the proper permissions. 41 00:02:02,841 --> 00:02:06,052 Translation, he stole my intellectual property, 42 00:02:06,052 --> 00:02:08,513 I sued, and the judge gave him a choice... 43 00:02:08,513 --> 00:02:10,599 pay me 200 thou in damages or give me equal partnership 44 00:02:10,599 --> 00:02:12,058 in his next project. 45 00:02:12,058 --> 00:02:13,476 He never said equal, but you know what? 46 00:02:13,476 --> 00:02:15,186 Never mind. 47 00:02:15,186 --> 00:02:17,022 Let's focus on the story that we're here to tell. 48 00:02:17,022 --> 00:02:18,315 Have a seat. 49 00:02:19,733 --> 00:02:22,110 Perhaps the most shocking case of murder 50 00:02:22,110 --> 00:02:23,695 and mayhem we've ever seen. 51 00:02:23,695 --> 00:02:25,071 Would you say that's a fair assessment? 52 00:02:25,071 --> 00:02:26,907 Um... 53 00:02:26,907 --> 00:02:28,533 - No, no, stay... stay back. Stay back. Stay back. 54 00:02:28,533 --> 00:02:29,868 - You don't understand. - OK, relax. 55 00:02:29,868 --> 00:02:32,203 OK, we're trying to help you. Who stabbed you? 56 00:02:32,203 --> 00:02:34,205 I stabbed myself. 57 00:02:34,205 --> 00:02:36,958 It's inside of me. I've tried everything else. 58 00:02:36,958 --> 00:02:38,168 I can't kill it. 59 00:02:38,168 --> 00:02:40,795 I can't die. See? 60 00:02:40,795 --> 00:02:42,380 - No, don't pull that... don't pull it out! 61 00:02:42,380 --> 00:02:43,673 Oh, God. 62 00:02:46,092 --> 00:02:47,344 Oh, he died instantly. 63 00:02:47,344 --> 00:02:49,763 I mean, the wound was fatal. 64 00:02:49,763 --> 00:02:52,641 You can't stab yourself in the heart and survive. 65 00:02:52,641 --> 00:02:55,852 But the way the knife was lodged, 66 00:02:55,852 --> 00:02:56,936 he wasn't bleeding. 67 00:02:56,936 --> 00:02:58,688 Once he pulled it out... 68 00:02:58,688 --> 00:03:01,316 - It was blood fountain city. - Not exactly, but... 69 00:03:01,316 --> 00:03:03,526 As shocking as that was, it was far from 70 00:03:03,526 --> 00:03:05,153 the most shocking thing you found. 71 00:03:05,153 --> 00:03:06,488 Oh, we should get him to say that 72 00:03:06,488 --> 00:03:07,989 to set up the opening credits. 73 00:03:07,989 --> 00:03:09,741 - That's not... we... we don't put words 74 00:03:09,741 --> 00:03:11,493 in people's mouths. It's a documentary. 75 00:03:13,912 --> 00:03:17,082 Yeah, it was, uh, straight-up crazy. 76 00:03:18,458 --> 00:03:20,335 - You don't think... - There's a body in there. 77 00:03:22,087 --> 00:03:23,296 May have finally found it. 78 00:03:25,215 --> 00:03:26,549 Please don't kill us. 79 00:03:26,549 --> 00:03:28,259 We will join your cult. 80 00:03:28,259 --> 00:03:30,011 - Oh. - Oh, God. 81 00:03:30,011 --> 00:03:32,389 {\an8}You arrived on scene as the sergeant's supervisor? 82 00:03:32,389 --> 00:03:33,682 {\an8}Yes. 83 00:03:33,682 --> 00:03:35,809 {\an8}I got there before the ambulance, 84 00:03:35,809 --> 00:03:37,686 {\an8}not that there was any aid they could have rendered. 85 00:03:37,686 --> 00:03:39,229 {\an8}Is there a reason you didn't want us 86 00:03:39,229 --> 00:03:40,730 {\an8}to interview you with Tim? 87 00:03:40,730 --> 00:03:41,898 {\an8}What? 88 00:03:41,898 --> 00:03:43,483 {\an8}No. We're just... 89 00:03:43,483 --> 00:03:45,318 {\an8}just shaking it up. 90 00:03:45,318 --> 00:03:46,695 {\an8}- Let's... let's... let's stay focused. 91 00:03:46,695 --> 00:03:48,488 {\an8}Were you the first to recognize the victim? 92 00:03:48,488 --> 00:03:50,615 {\an8}Uh, sort of. 93 00:03:50,615 --> 00:03:53,493 {\an8}I thought I knew his face, but it wasn't until 94 00:03:53,493 --> 00:03:54,786 {\an8}we ran his prints that we got a name. 95 00:03:54,786 --> 00:03:57,747 {\an8}Rich Rowley was retired LAPD. 96 00:03:57,747 --> 00:03:59,708 {\an8}He had been with the department for 30 years 97 00:03:59,708 --> 00:04:01,292 and was a little bit of a legend, 98 00:04:01,292 --> 00:04:04,587 {\an8}mostly because he made a series of training videos 99 00:04:04,587 --> 00:04:08,174 {\an8}from the mid-'90s till his retirement in 2015, 100 00:04:08,174 --> 00:04:12,137 {\an8}which by modern standards, are a little cringe. 101 00:04:12,137 --> 00:04:14,055 {\an8}- Hey, everybody. Rich Rowley here 102 00:04:14,055 --> 00:04:16,182 {\an8}with another installment of... 103 00:04:18,268 --> 00:04:20,520 {\an8}Now, today, we're gonna be talking about 104 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,189 {\an8}proper cuffing technique. 105 00:04:23,189 --> 00:04:24,315 {\an8}Excuse me, officer? 106 00:04:24,315 --> 00:04:26,568 {\an8}I hurt my shoulder at the gym. 107 00:04:26,568 --> 00:04:28,445 {\an8}Would you mind cuffing me in front? 108 00:04:29,863 --> 00:04:32,907 {\an8}Pretty lady like you, 109 00:04:32,907 --> 00:04:34,993 {\an8}what's the worst that could happen? 110 00:04:36,828 --> 00:04:39,706 {\an8}- Thank you. - You're welcome. 111 00:04:42,125 --> 00:04:43,626 {\an8}Rich was a trip. 112 00:04:43,626 --> 00:04:46,629 {\an8}The life of the party, at least early in his career. 113 00:04:46,629 --> 00:04:48,381 {\an8}Then as the years went on, 114 00:04:48,381 --> 00:04:52,093 {\an8}he became a little, uh, crazy. 115 00:04:52,093 --> 00:04:53,511 {\an8}Crazy how? 116 00:04:53,511 --> 00:04:55,430 {\an8}He was deep into conspiracy theories. 117 00:04:55,430 --> 00:04:59,100 {\an8}He had a real thing for cults and cabals. 118 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:01,478 {\an8}To be fair, Los Angeles does have a pretty dark history. 119 00:05:01,478 --> 00:05:04,064 {\an8}But Rich took it to the next level, 120 00:05:04,064 --> 00:05:05,482 {\an8}and his training videos got more 121 00:05:05,482 --> 00:05:06,900 {\an8}and more intense because of it. 122 00:05:06,900 --> 00:05:08,610 {\an8}We finally got around to updating the videos 123 00:05:08,610 --> 00:05:11,529 {\an8}this last year, but that caused quite a controversy 124 00:05:11,529 --> 00:05:12,947 {\an8}with some of the older officers. 125 00:05:12,947 --> 00:05:15,325 {\an8}They said we were being insensitive. 126 00:05:15,325 --> 00:05:17,911 {\an8}Why would updating training videos be insensitive? 127 00:05:17,911 --> 00:05:20,455 {\an8}Even three years on, a lot of his friends 128 00:05:20,455 --> 00:05:22,874 {\an8}were still mourning his death and saw the videos as a way 129 00:05:22,874 --> 00:05:25,251 {\an8}- to keep his memory alive. - I'm sorry. 130 00:05:25,251 --> 00:05:26,544 {\an8}I thought Rich died six months ago. 131 00:05:26,544 --> 00:05:28,546 {\an8}- Yeah. - He did. 132 00:05:28,546 --> 00:05:29,964 {\an8}I'm talking about the first time. 133 00:05:29,964 --> 00:05:31,716 Divers are searching for 134 00:05:31,716 --> 00:05:33,259 any signs of retired 135 00:05:33,259 --> 00:05:36,262 {\an8}Los Angeles police officer Richard Rowley 136 00:05:36,262 --> 00:05:38,181 {\an8}after a sailing trip gone wrong. 137 00:05:38,181 --> 00:05:40,683 {\an8}Coast Guard responded to a distress call 138 00:05:40,683 --> 00:05:42,644 {\an8}this morning from Rowley's wife, 139 00:05:42,644 --> 00:05:44,938 {\an8}who says the 55-year-old fell overboard 140 00:05:44,938 --> 00:05:46,940 {\an8}after the sailboat he was captaining 141 00:05:46,940 --> 00:05:49,901 {\an8}was struck by a rogue wave. 142 00:05:49,901 --> 00:05:52,070 {\an8}Any time someone disappears from a boating trip, 143 00:05:52,070 --> 00:05:53,613 {\an8}it automatically sets off alarm bells. 144 00:05:53,613 --> 00:05:55,240 {\an8}Why is that? 145 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,075 {\an8}It's just an ideal place to cover up a crime. 146 00:05:57,075 --> 00:05:58,827 {\an8}Throw a body overboard, weigh it down, 147 00:05:58,827 --> 00:06:00,703 {\an8}the likelihood of us recovering it before 148 00:06:00,703 --> 00:06:02,747 {\an8}it becomes fish food is low. 149 00:06:02,747 --> 00:06:05,416 {\an8}And circumstances were suspicious. 150 00:06:05,416 --> 00:06:07,752 {\an8}By all accounts, Rich was a skilled sailor, 151 00:06:07,752 --> 00:06:10,213 {\an8}it was a calm day, and the only witness to his demise 152 00:06:10,213 --> 00:06:13,424 {\an8}was Darla Phillips, his on again, off again 153 00:06:13,424 --> 00:06:15,468 {\an8}girlfriend, who he married five days prior. 154 00:06:15,468 --> 00:06:17,136 {\an8}So you suspected foul play? 155 00:06:19,848 --> 00:06:22,183 {\an8}Not necessarily, but we couldn't rule it out. 156 00:06:22,183 --> 00:06:23,935 {\an8}Why wasn't Rich wearing a life vest? 157 00:06:23,935 --> 00:06:27,146 {\an8}- He never did. He was a strong swimmer. 158 00:06:27,146 --> 00:06:29,399 {\an8}He must have hit his head when he fell. 159 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:31,151 {\an8}Why didn't you jump in after him? 160 00:06:31,151 --> 00:06:33,695 {\an8}- I'm scared of dark water. - Dark water? 161 00:06:33,695 --> 00:06:36,155 {\an8}Water you can't see the bottom of. 162 00:06:36,155 --> 00:06:38,241 {\an8}Just blackness 163 00:06:38,241 --> 00:06:40,577 {\an8}with God knows what lurking below. 164 00:06:40,577 --> 00:06:43,163 {\an8}You stand to inherit Rich's entire police pension. 165 00:06:43,163 --> 00:06:44,581 {\an8}That's quite a bit of money. 166 00:06:44,581 --> 00:06:46,499 {\an8}How dare you? 167 00:06:46,499 --> 00:06:50,879 {\an8}I just watched the love of my life die in front of me. 168 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:52,797 {\an8}We don't know that for sure yet. 169 00:06:52,797 --> 00:06:54,924 {\an8}They haven't found his body. 170 00:06:54,924 --> 00:06:59,053 {\an8}Unless you know more that you're not telling us. 171 00:06:59,053 --> 00:07:00,805 {\an8}Go to hell! 172 00:07:00,805 --> 00:07:02,515 {\an8}This interview is over. 173 00:07:02,515 --> 00:07:05,018 {\an8}Did it ever occur to you that Rich might still be alive? 174 00:07:05,018 --> 00:07:06,936 {\an8}As we said, we couldn't rule anything out, 175 00:07:06,936 --> 00:07:10,481 {\an8}but there was no evidence that he'd faked his death. 176 00:07:10,481 --> 00:07:12,108 {\an8}Until he turned up dead again. 177 00:07:12,108 --> 00:07:14,694 {\an8}Needless to say, we had a few more questions for Darla. 178 00:07:14,694 --> 00:07:17,071 {\an8}Helping someone fake their death isn't a crime. 179 00:07:17,071 --> 00:07:18,489 {\an8}- I checked. - You're right, 180 00:07:18,489 --> 00:07:20,283 {\an8}but profiting off of that death, 181 00:07:20,283 --> 00:07:22,118 {\an8}collecting Rich's pension and his life insurance, 182 00:07:22,118 --> 00:07:24,078 {\an8}that's fraud. 183 00:07:24,078 --> 00:07:26,372 {\an8}Not to mention the resources that were wasted 184 00:07:26,372 --> 00:07:27,624 {\an8}trying to recover his body. 185 00:07:27,624 --> 00:07:30,168 {\an8}You could be facing some serious charges. 186 00:07:30,168 --> 00:07:32,420 {\an8}So tell us. 187 00:07:32,420 --> 00:07:34,339 {\an8}Why did Rich want to fake his death? 188 00:07:35,673 --> 00:07:39,594 {\an8}After Rich retired, he kind of fell apart. 189 00:07:39,594 --> 00:07:43,514 {\an8}His drinking got worse, and his paranoia. 190 00:07:43,514 --> 00:07:46,017 {\an8}He was always a little intense, 191 00:07:46,017 --> 00:07:48,478 {\an8}but it started to get scary. 192 00:07:48,478 --> 00:07:51,814 {\an8}He covered all his windows with newspapers, 193 00:07:51,814 --> 00:07:55,485 {\an8}started writing down the license plates of passing cars. 194 00:07:55,485 --> 00:07:57,403 {\an8}What was he so afraid of? 195 00:07:57,403 --> 00:08:00,156 {\an8}He said there was this group, like, 196 00:08:00,156 --> 00:08:05,328 {\an8}a secret society of dangerous and powerful people. 197 00:08:05,328 --> 00:08:07,205 {\an8}He'd been on to them for years. 198 00:08:07,205 --> 00:08:08,998 {\an8}He said that they found out about him, 199 00:08:08,998 --> 00:08:11,167 {\an8}that he was in danger because of it. 200 00:08:11,167 --> 00:08:14,128 {\an8}It was too much for me, so I broke up with him. 201 00:08:14,128 --> 00:08:18,132 {\an8}And then a year later, he showed up on my doorstep 202 00:08:18,132 --> 00:08:21,261 and asked me to help him fake his death 203 00:08:21,261 --> 00:08:23,846 in return for his pension. 204 00:08:23,846 --> 00:08:25,348 I needed the money. 205 00:08:25,348 --> 00:08:28,226 So we got married, and we did the deed, 206 00:08:28,226 --> 00:08:30,186 and I never saw him again. 207 00:08:30,186 --> 00:08:34,107 So you have no idea why there was a coffin in his garage? 208 00:08:34,107 --> 00:08:35,608 We'll probably hold this piece of the puzzle 209 00:08:35,608 --> 00:08:37,360 until the end of the first act, you know, 210 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:38,569 {\an8}hit the audience with a twist when 211 00:08:38,569 --> 00:08:40,571 {\an8}- it's dramatically expedient. - Yeah. 212 00:08:40,571 --> 00:08:41,739 {\an8}Seems manipulative. 213 00:08:41,739 --> 00:08:43,241 {\an8}All good storytelling is, so. 214 00:08:43,241 --> 00:08:45,868 {\an8}Just tell us about finding the coffin. 215 00:08:45,868 --> 00:08:49,747 {\an8}So once I arrived, and we secured the crime scene, 216 00:08:49,747 --> 00:08:51,541 we cleared the rest of the house, 217 00:08:51,541 --> 00:08:52,375 and then we moved on to the garage. 218 00:08:56,879 --> 00:08:57,880 Oh. 219 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,799 Oh, you don't think there's... 220 00:08:59,799 --> 00:09:03,094 - That there's a body in there? I absolutely do. 221 00:09:03,094 --> 00:09:06,723 - OK, are we gonna open it? 'Cause I don't wanna open it. 222 00:09:06,723 --> 00:09:08,182 What do you think? 223 00:09:08,182 --> 00:09:10,560 I mean, it's clearly been dug up. 224 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:12,729 Given the state of the coffin, it's clearly been 225 00:09:12,729 --> 00:09:14,188 underground for a few years. 226 00:09:14,188 --> 00:09:16,941 If there is a body in there, it's likely long dead. 227 00:09:16,941 --> 00:09:19,569 - Unless... - Unless what? 228 00:09:19,569 --> 00:09:22,530 Unless he put a fresh victim in an old coffin. 229 00:09:24,991 --> 00:09:26,909 OK, got it. 230 00:09:26,909 --> 00:09:28,328 - Got it? - Yep. 231 00:09:28,328 --> 00:09:30,496 - Oh. Oh, God. 232 00:09:37,754 --> 00:09:39,172 The body belonged to a 54-year-old truck driver 233 00:09:39,172 --> 00:09:41,174 named Marcus Ford, 234 00:09:41,174 --> 00:09:43,009 who was the victim of an unsolved homicide 235 00:09:43,009 --> 00:09:44,594 back in 2020. 236 00:09:44,594 --> 00:09:45,636 How was he killed? 237 00:09:45,636 --> 00:09:47,638 Uh, he was stabbed in the heart. 238 00:09:47,638 --> 00:09:49,807 Just like Rich. 239 00:09:49,807 --> 00:09:52,435 Wait, Rich murdered Marcus Ford. 240 00:09:52,435 --> 00:09:54,395 - Did I just solve the case? - No. 241 00:09:54,395 --> 00:09:58,274 We were able to alibi Rich out. 242 00:09:58,274 --> 00:10:00,526 He was hospitalized with double pneumonia the day Marcus died. 243 00:10:00,526 --> 00:10:02,737 Medical records say he was so weak that, 244 00:10:02,737 --> 00:10:04,405 uh, he could barely get out of bed. 245 00:10:04,405 --> 00:10:05,948 Or that's what he wanted you to think. 246 00:10:05,948 --> 00:10:07,241 Moving on. 247 00:10:07,241 --> 00:10:08,618 Digging up a body's no easy task. 248 00:10:08,618 --> 00:10:10,328 Why would Rich go to all that trouble? 249 00:10:10,328 --> 00:10:12,663 Initially, we thought it was simply 250 00:10:12,663 --> 00:10:16,084 the demented act of a clearly disturbed mind, 251 00:10:16,084 --> 00:10:17,919 and in some ways, it was. 252 00:10:17,919 --> 00:10:20,421 But then we found the tattoo. 253 00:10:20,421 --> 00:10:22,256 At first, it was a little bit difficult 254 00:10:22,256 --> 00:10:24,175 to make out exactly what it was. 255 00:10:24,175 --> 00:10:27,595 A half a decade of decomp does a number on the skin. 256 00:10:27,595 --> 00:10:30,181 But when we look back at the case file, 257 00:10:30,181 --> 00:10:32,558 there was a photo of it taken during the original autopsy. 258 00:10:32,558 --> 00:10:33,935 That's actually kind of sick. 259 00:10:33,935 --> 00:10:36,062 I wonder if there's a way to track down the artist. 260 00:10:36,062 --> 00:10:37,230 I've been meaning to start the sleeve 261 00:10:37,230 --> 00:10:39,107 on my other arm, like a... 262 00:10:39,107 --> 00:10:40,608 To my collaborator's point, 263 00:10:40,608 --> 00:10:42,693 lots of people have tattoos. 264 00:10:42,693 --> 00:10:44,987 What was it about this one that jumped out at you? 265 00:10:44,987 --> 00:10:48,241 Well, something about it was familiar to both of us, 266 00:10:48,241 --> 00:10:50,076 but we couldn't place it. 267 00:10:50,076 --> 00:10:53,538 So we started asking around, and the answer couldn't come 268 00:10:53,538 --> 00:10:56,457 from a more unlikely place. 269 00:10:56,457 --> 00:10:58,334 I watched the Rich Rowley training videos 270 00:10:58,334 --> 00:11:00,795 more than any person alive, 271 00:11:00,795 --> 00:11:04,340 so I recognized the symbol immediately. 272 00:11:04,340 --> 00:11:06,551 {\an8}Sometimes, citizens panic when 273 00:11:06,551 --> 00:11:09,220 {\an8}they can't get in touch with their friends or loved ones. 274 00:11:09,220 --> 00:11:11,264 That is why we always advise the public 275 00:11:11,264 --> 00:11:14,684 to wait 24 hours before reporting someone missing. 276 00:11:14,684 --> 00:11:16,644 While most missing person reports stem 277 00:11:16,644 --> 00:11:18,354 from a lapse in communication, 278 00:11:18,354 --> 00:11:20,231 every once in a while, you'll encounter 279 00:11:20,231 --> 00:11:22,817 a true, workable case. 280 00:11:22,817 --> 00:11:25,611 - Officer, help. My sister is missing. 281 00:11:25,611 --> 00:11:27,071 When's the last time you saw her? 282 00:11:27,071 --> 00:11:28,739 Last night at the bar. 283 00:11:28,739 --> 00:11:31,117 Her boyfriend said she never made it home. 284 00:11:31,117 --> 00:11:34,954 You always wanna take a report like this one seriously. 285 00:11:34,954 --> 00:11:37,540 So Rich hid the same symbol in his training videos 286 00:11:37,540 --> 00:11:39,917 that was tattooed on the body of a murder victim. 287 00:11:39,917 --> 00:11:42,128 What did you think that meant? 288 00:11:42,128 --> 00:11:44,380 Uh, I don't know. 289 00:11:44,380 --> 00:11:45,131 I can't believe I'm saying this, 290 00:11:45,131 --> 00:11:46,340 but Smitty was right. 291 00:11:46,340 --> 00:11:48,342 In lesson 187, the tattoo symbol 292 00:11:48,342 --> 00:11:50,219 was hidden in the background, 293 00:11:50,219 --> 00:11:51,929 although the instructions 294 00:11:51,929 --> 00:11:54,223 to wait 24 hours before reporting a missing person 295 00:11:54,223 --> 00:11:56,142 are wildly outdated. 296 00:11:56,142 --> 00:11:57,894 Anyways, it got me thinking. 297 00:11:57,894 --> 00:12:01,063 What if Rich put messages in other videos? 298 00:12:01,063 --> 00:12:02,315 What kind of messages? 299 00:12:02,315 --> 00:12:03,774 I'm not totally sure yet. 300 00:12:03,774 --> 00:12:05,818 I binged every single Rich training video 301 00:12:05,818 --> 00:12:06,819 I could get my hands on. 302 00:12:06,819 --> 00:12:08,362 Yeah, it's been a fun few nights. 303 00:12:08,362 --> 00:12:10,281 And I did find a few other possible leads, 304 00:12:10,281 --> 00:12:11,616 but there's a problem. 305 00:12:11,616 --> 00:12:12,909 The department's archive is incomplete, 306 00:12:12,909 --> 00:12:14,327 and without all of the videos, 307 00:12:14,327 --> 00:12:15,494 I can't be sure that I'm not missing 308 00:12:15,494 --> 00:12:16,913 a vital piece of information. 309 00:12:16,913 --> 00:12:18,789 So what happened to the missing videos? 310 00:12:18,789 --> 00:12:20,958 So when the training topics and the videos 311 00:12:20,958 --> 00:12:24,587 become outdated because of new laws or protocols, 312 00:12:24,587 --> 00:12:26,297 the department has to make new ones, 313 00:12:26,297 --> 00:12:28,758 and obsolete videos are supposed to be digitized 314 00:12:28,758 --> 00:12:31,969 and archived for historical record. 315 00:12:31,969 --> 00:12:34,347 But Rich's were just gone. 316 00:12:34,347 --> 00:12:35,973 Gone as in destroyed? 317 00:12:35,973 --> 00:12:38,601 - Like a cover-up? - No one's saying that. 318 00:12:38,601 --> 00:12:40,811 Most likely, it was a human error. 319 00:12:40,811 --> 00:12:43,439 You know, someone got lazy, didn't archive them. 320 00:12:43,439 --> 00:12:45,274 I tried reaching out to the production company 321 00:12:45,274 --> 00:12:48,444 that made the videos to see if they had any copies left. 322 00:12:48,444 --> 00:12:51,489 Bad news is they went out of business a few years back 323 00:12:51,489 --> 00:12:53,366 and auctioned off all their equipment. 324 00:12:53,366 --> 00:12:55,451 What's the good news? 325 00:12:55,451 --> 00:12:58,746 Well, I managed to track down the auction logs, 326 00:12:58,746 --> 00:13:00,748 and I actually know the person who purchased 327 00:13:00,748 --> 00:13:03,209 the studio's old hard drives. 328 00:13:03,209 --> 00:13:06,462 Careful, I'm very ticklish, like the Pillsbury Doughboy. 329 00:13:06,462 --> 00:13:07,463 Same. 330 00:13:07,463 --> 00:13:09,507 I hear it's a sign of intelligence. 331 00:13:09,507 --> 00:13:10,800 - Is that a fact? - Yep. 332 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,427 Then I am smart as the dickens. 333 00:13:13,427 --> 00:13:15,179 So you purchased hard drives 334 00:13:15,179 --> 00:13:17,014 {\an8}from Speak Now Studios? 335 00:13:17,014 --> 00:13:19,100 {\an8}Yeah. Dropout was still in its infancy. 336 00:13:19,100 --> 00:13:21,394 I was building the company from the ground up. 337 00:13:21,394 --> 00:13:23,646 We had to be smart about how we were spending our money. 338 00:13:23,646 --> 00:13:26,315 We bought a huge amount of equipment secondhand... 339 00:13:26,315 --> 00:13:28,234 hard drives, cameras, wigs. 340 00:13:28,234 --> 00:13:31,279 Wait, you bought second-hand wigs? 341 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:32,571 Give them a little shake before we put them on. 342 00:13:32,571 --> 00:13:34,031 That's awesome. 343 00:13:34,031 --> 00:13:35,283 Do you still have that wig connect? 344 00:13:35,283 --> 00:13:37,910 'Cause I'd love a referral. My guy is... 345 00:13:37,910 --> 00:13:39,787 Back on track. 346 00:13:39,787 --> 00:13:42,039 The hard drives you bought contain police training videos. 347 00:13:42,039 --> 00:13:43,624 Did you happen to watch any of them? 348 00:13:43,624 --> 00:13:45,626 - Of course. Rich Rowley, right? 349 00:13:45,626 --> 00:13:47,628 We were obsessed with those videos. 350 00:13:47,628 --> 00:13:50,339 We probably watched them, like, a dozen times. 351 00:13:50,339 --> 00:13:53,009 I'm Rich Rowley, and this is "Survive the Streets." 352 00:13:53,009 --> 00:13:54,635 Oh, that's great. 353 00:13:54,635 --> 00:13:56,012 Vic can do the best impression. 354 00:13:56,012 --> 00:13:57,930 Do you think you'd be able to make copies for us? 355 00:13:57,930 --> 00:14:00,308 I totally would, 356 00:14:00,308 --> 00:14:01,600 but I can't because 357 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,311 we wiped all of those hard drives 358 00:14:03,311 --> 00:14:04,895 to use as servers months ago. 359 00:14:04,895 --> 00:14:06,772 Sorry I couldn't be of more help. 360 00:14:06,772 --> 00:14:10,609 You'll still feature this interview, right? 361 00:14:10,609 --> 00:14:12,194 - Yeah. - Yeah, probably not. 362 00:14:12,194 --> 00:14:13,988 Wait, you said you and the Dropout crew 363 00:14:13,988 --> 00:14:16,741 watched the video, like, dozens of times, right? 364 00:14:16,741 --> 00:14:18,868 Yes, sometimes on an edible, mostly sober. 365 00:14:18,868 --> 00:14:20,786 I have an idea. 366 00:14:20,786 --> 00:14:22,246 OK, so then he'd be like, don't forget to check 367 00:14:22,246 --> 00:14:23,748 the closet or you'll die. So I don't know. 368 00:14:23,748 --> 00:14:25,458 I think it's a little bit more like, 369 00:14:25,458 --> 00:14:27,251 like, if you forget to check the closet, 370 00:14:27,251 --> 00:14:29,962 Freddy, Jason, and Chucky will rip off your scrote! 371 00:14:29,962 --> 00:14:31,714 OK, I think there's less foot stuff. 372 00:14:31,714 --> 00:14:33,299 I feel like he's like... 373 00:14:33,299 --> 00:14:35,301 and then your crazy methy ex-girlfriend 374 00:14:35,301 --> 00:14:37,511 who's been hiding in the hallway closet 375 00:14:37,511 --> 00:14:39,388 will chainsaw your face when you get home 376 00:14:39,388 --> 00:14:41,265 because you forgot to clear the room! 377 00:14:41,265 --> 00:14:42,266 - Clear the room! - Clear the room! 378 00:14:42,266 --> 00:14:43,851 Check the room. 379 00:14:43,851 --> 00:14:45,811 I think he was so close to pulling out his gun... 380 00:14:45,811 --> 00:14:47,563 - What are you guys doing? - That's a great question. 381 00:14:47,563 --> 00:14:49,190 They're reenacting the police training videos 382 00:14:49,190 --> 00:14:50,524 since you guys wiped them off your hard drive. 383 00:14:50,524 --> 00:14:52,193 Oh, the Rich Rowley ones. 384 00:14:52,193 --> 00:14:53,694 - Those are so funny. - Right. 385 00:14:53,694 --> 00:14:55,196 I actually stole one of the hard drives 386 00:14:55,196 --> 00:14:56,405 so I could watch it when I'm in the tub. 387 00:14:56,405 --> 00:14:57,573 You talking about your tub again? 388 00:14:57,573 --> 00:14:58,741 - Say what? - A little self-care. 389 00:14:58,741 --> 00:15:00,493 You know, trying to relax a little more. 390 00:15:00,493 --> 00:15:02,578 - It's not working. - Can we have it? 391 00:15:02,578 --> 00:15:04,205 If you want to borrow it, I could, you know. 392 00:15:04,205 --> 00:15:05,665 No, I think this is actually working great. 393 00:15:05,665 --> 00:15:08,167 - I mean, you could. OK. - Keep this up. 394 00:15:08,167 --> 00:15:09,043 - Riffing. - Clearing the room. 395 00:15:09,043 --> 00:15:10,378 Help us. 396 00:15:10,378 --> 00:15:11,629 OK, I finally finished watching 397 00:15:11,629 --> 00:15:13,214 all of the Rich training videos, 398 00:15:13,214 --> 00:15:14,673 and there is a lot. 399 00:15:14,673 --> 00:15:17,760 Um, take lesson 277... 400 00:15:21,013 --> 00:15:22,765 My azaleas! 401 00:15:22,765 --> 00:15:26,394 A cold case where victim Azalea Robinson was found 402 00:15:26,394 --> 00:15:28,229 stabbed near a ski resort. 403 00:15:28,229 --> 00:15:29,605 - You're kidding. - No. 404 00:15:29,605 --> 00:15:32,608 And in lesson 290, Rich is holding a folder 405 00:15:32,608 --> 00:15:34,402 with a Post-It note on the back with a brown star 406 00:15:34,402 --> 00:15:35,736 - drawn on it. - I'm lost. 407 00:15:35,736 --> 00:15:38,489 Right, so I looked up the cold cases 408 00:15:38,489 --> 00:15:40,199 to see if there were any victims with names 409 00:15:40,199 --> 00:15:42,118 like Star or Stella, 410 00:15:42,118 --> 00:15:43,619 and there was one hit, 411 00:15:43,619 --> 00:15:45,121 Stella Brown, 412 00:15:45,121 --> 00:15:47,415 also found stabbed in the chest. 413 00:15:47,415 --> 00:15:49,375 In all, Lucy found clues pointing 414 00:15:49,375 --> 00:15:51,794 to seven different cold cases. 415 00:15:51,794 --> 00:15:53,796 But why was Rich hiding the names of murder victims 416 00:15:53,796 --> 00:15:55,631 in police training videos? 417 00:15:55,631 --> 00:15:56,882 Based on what we could piece together, 418 00:15:56,882 --> 00:15:59,176 he believed he had stumbled upon a conspiracy... 419 00:15:59,176 --> 00:16:01,512 a series of connected murders committed by person 420 00:16:01,512 --> 00:16:03,139 or persons unknown. 421 00:16:03,139 --> 00:16:04,932 If that were the case, why not just report 422 00:16:04,932 --> 00:16:07,309 his suspicion? He was a cop for 30 years. 423 00:16:07,309 --> 00:16:09,812 Well, Rich had a bit of a reputation 424 00:16:09,812 --> 00:16:14,358 within the department for, shall we say, magical thinking. 425 00:16:14,358 --> 00:16:18,195 So unfortunately, his theory was dismissed out of hand. 426 00:16:18,195 --> 00:16:20,156 But why did he think the murders were connected? 427 00:16:20,156 --> 00:16:21,657 Well, for starters, they were all stabbed 428 00:16:21,657 --> 00:16:23,784 in the chest, but more importantly, 429 00:16:23,784 --> 00:16:25,411 each victim was found with a penny 430 00:16:25,411 --> 00:16:26,871 either in or on their person. 431 00:16:26,871 --> 00:16:28,205 What do you mean "in"? 432 00:16:28,205 --> 00:16:30,332 One had a penny in her stomach. 433 00:16:30,332 --> 00:16:32,501 Another had one shoved up his nose. 434 00:16:32,501 --> 00:16:33,836 Stella Brown lucked out. 435 00:16:33,836 --> 00:16:35,754 Hers was just clasped in her hand. 436 00:16:35,754 --> 00:16:38,257 And when we re-examined Marcus Ford's corpse, 437 00:16:38,257 --> 00:16:41,635 the ME found one inserted into the heel of his left foot. 438 00:16:41,635 --> 00:16:43,345 Why? 439 00:16:43,345 --> 00:16:45,639 Did we mention that they were all minted in 1930? 440 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:47,892 - OK. Well, I just got goosebumps. 441 00:16:47,892 --> 00:16:50,102 Rich's autopsy also revealed that he had swallowed 442 00:16:50,102 --> 00:16:52,229 close to 50 pennies before he died. 443 00:16:52,229 --> 00:16:53,481 Gross. 444 00:16:53,481 --> 00:16:55,191 So at this point, was your theory... 445 00:16:55,191 --> 00:16:57,067 I actually have no idea what their theory would have been. 446 00:16:57,067 --> 00:16:59,737 Yeah, well, I would tell you, but we were way off the mark, 447 00:16:59,737 --> 00:17:01,947 which we were about to discover 448 00:17:01,947 --> 00:17:04,742 when we got access to his cloud account. 449 00:17:04,742 --> 00:17:07,369 OK. 450 00:17:07,369 --> 00:17:09,955 I may have finally found it. 451 00:17:09,955 --> 00:17:12,708 I am so close to getting some real answers. 452 00:17:14,919 --> 00:17:17,046 See that? 453 00:17:30,851 --> 00:17:33,354 Oh, whoa. 454 00:17:33,354 --> 00:17:34,355 Ha! 455 00:17:36,357 --> 00:17:38,400 Oh, my God. No! No. 456 00:17:40,945 --> 00:17:43,364 For a guy pretending to be dead, 457 00:17:43,364 --> 00:17:45,241 breaking into a secure military facility 458 00:17:45,241 --> 00:17:47,284 doesn't seem like the best idea. 459 00:17:47,284 --> 00:17:50,955 Well, he wasn't just breaking into any military facility. 460 00:17:50,955 --> 00:17:52,414 It was Area 67. 461 00:17:52,414 --> 00:17:53,707 What does that mean? 462 00:17:53,707 --> 00:17:56,418 That's where the government keeps the aliens. 463 00:18:04,677 --> 00:18:05,553 So Rich broke into a secret government base 464 00:18:05,553 --> 00:18:07,429 on the hunt for a massive conspiracy, 465 00:18:07,429 --> 00:18:08,931 then stabbed himself in the chest? 466 00:18:08,931 --> 00:18:10,516 I mean, at that point, it's obvious what happened. 467 00:18:10,516 --> 00:18:12,434 - Is it? - Come on. 468 00:18:12,434 --> 00:18:14,520 Remember what Rich said right before he died? 469 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,105 I can't die. 470 00:18:16,105 --> 00:18:17,064 It's inside of me. 471 00:18:17,064 --> 00:18:18,816 It won't let me die. 472 00:18:18,816 --> 00:18:20,234 Yeah, I'm not following. 473 00:18:20,234 --> 00:18:22,987 Rich was exposed to an alien parasite. 474 00:18:22,987 --> 00:18:25,531 It was inside him. 475 00:18:25,531 --> 00:18:28,075 Were you familiar with Area 67? 476 00:18:28,075 --> 00:18:29,868 - I'd heard of it. Yeah. 477 00:18:29,868 --> 00:18:32,580 There's this AM radio station I used to listen to 478 00:18:32,580 --> 00:18:34,206 back in Foxburg. 479 00:18:34,206 --> 00:18:35,833 Kept me awake when I was working late. 480 00:18:35,833 --> 00:18:38,669 The host was obsessed with UFOs. 481 00:18:38,669 --> 00:18:40,880 - "Val's Velvet Bunker"? - That's the one. 482 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,174 He was a little bit out there, but always entertaining. 483 00:18:44,174 --> 00:18:47,553 {\an8}Area 51 is theater. 484 00:18:47,553 --> 00:18:49,263 {\an8}Do you believe? 485 00:18:49,263 --> 00:18:52,099 Do you really believe the most secretive 486 00:18:52,099 --> 00:18:54,727 military installation in the world would let itself 487 00:18:54,727 --> 00:18:56,729 become a tourist attraction? 488 00:18:56,729 --> 00:18:58,022 No, no, no, no. 489 00:18:58,022 --> 00:19:00,691 Area 51 is the distraction. 490 00:19:00,691 --> 00:19:03,652 Area 67 is the real deal. 491 00:19:03,652 --> 00:19:06,196 You know why California has all those earthquakes? 492 00:19:06,196 --> 00:19:08,949 It's not the San Andreas Fault, my friends. 493 00:19:08,949 --> 00:19:12,119 It's the sonic resonance from Area 67's 494 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,954 underground testing chambers. 495 00:19:13,954 --> 00:19:15,873 Did you believe in his theories? 496 00:19:15,873 --> 00:19:17,291 No, no. 497 00:19:17,291 --> 00:19:19,084 Like I said, just entertainment. 498 00:19:19,084 --> 00:19:20,044 Let's hear from a caller. 499 00:19:20,044 --> 00:19:21,795 {\an8}Hi, name's John. 500 00:19:21,795 --> 00:19:22,963 {\an8}Longtime listener, fourth-time caller. 501 00:19:22,963 --> 00:19:25,633 - Hey, John from Foxburg. Welcome back. 502 00:19:25,633 --> 00:19:26,759 What have you got for us tonight? 503 00:19:26,759 --> 00:19:29,345 I swear to God I just saw a UFO. 504 00:19:31,639 --> 00:19:34,725 John is such a common name. 505 00:19:34,725 --> 00:19:37,353 I'm open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life. 506 00:19:37,353 --> 00:19:38,646 {\an8}- You are? - Yeah. 507 00:19:38,646 --> 00:19:40,272 {\an8}I mean, it's a big universe. 508 00:19:40,272 --> 00:19:42,316 {\an8}- Anything could be out there. - I don't know. 509 00:19:42,316 --> 00:19:45,152 People who claim to have seen aliens tend to be a little off. 510 00:19:45,152 --> 00:19:46,945 You were friends with a corpse, right? 511 00:19:46,945 --> 00:19:48,322 Well, yeah, we were more than friends, 512 00:19:48,322 --> 00:19:49,949 but fair enough. OK. 513 00:19:49,949 --> 00:19:52,368 Legally, is it necrophilia 514 00:19:52,368 --> 00:19:53,952 if she only did over the clothes stuff? 515 00:19:53,952 --> 00:19:56,455 - That's a great question. - Oh, I definitely believe. 516 00:19:56,455 --> 00:19:58,248 In fact, 517 00:19:58,248 --> 00:20:00,501 I've been abducted by aliens. 518 00:20:00,501 --> 00:20:02,878 - Really? - Multiple times. 519 00:20:02,878 --> 00:20:06,298 Apparently, I'm a fascinating subject. 520 00:20:06,298 --> 00:20:09,510 I remember the last time Smitty was "abducted." 521 00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:11,178 Turns out he partied too hard in Vegas 522 00:20:11,178 --> 00:20:12,805 and woke up in Wisconsin. 523 00:20:12,805 --> 00:20:14,556 Missing time, 524 00:20:14,556 --> 00:20:17,518 one of the hallmarks of alien abductions. 525 00:20:17,518 --> 00:20:19,645 - And binge drinking. - Point is, 526 00:20:19,645 --> 00:20:22,314 the government had little gray men 527 00:20:22,314 --> 00:20:24,733 in their secret labs for decades. 528 00:20:24,733 --> 00:20:26,527 What are they doing with them? 529 00:20:26,527 --> 00:20:29,154 They're implanting the aliens in unsuspecting hosts 530 00:20:29,154 --> 00:20:30,781 and taking over their bodies. 531 00:20:30,781 --> 00:20:34,368 You just never know who might be one of them. 532 00:20:35,995 --> 00:20:38,872 {\an8}Some people in the station believed Rich stabbed himself 533 00:20:38,872 --> 00:20:40,833 {\an8}to kill an alien parasite, 534 00:20:40,833 --> 00:20:42,334 but I wouldn't say 535 00:20:42,334 --> 00:20:44,294 that was a dominant theory. 536 00:20:44,294 --> 00:20:45,838 It wasn't long before we figured out 537 00:20:45,838 --> 00:20:48,298 Rich believed something darker, 538 00:20:48,298 --> 00:20:50,718 and it was connected to the seven murders. 539 00:20:50,718 --> 00:20:52,344 Then why did Rich break into the army base? 540 00:20:52,344 --> 00:20:54,972 {\an8}Yes, I remember the incident. 541 00:20:54,972 --> 00:20:56,432 {\an8}Rich Rowley cut through a fence. 542 00:20:56,432 --> 00:20:58,600 {\an8}He trespassed on government property. 543 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,311 He was promptly apprehended and sent on his way. 544 00:21:01,311 --> 00:21:03,856 Do you have any idea what Rich was looking for? 545 00:21:03,856 --> 00:21:06,650 Uh, as it turns out, he was looking for me. 546 00:21:06,650 --> 00:21:09,862 But not because of any alleged aliens. 547 00:21:09,862 --> 00:21:12,281 So why did he come? 548 00:21:12,281 --> 00:21:15,242 Uh, this part is a... 549 00:21:15,242 --> 00:21:17,953 is a little bit embarrassing. Um... 550 00:21:17,953 --> 00:21:20,247 before I found my calling in the military, 551 00:21:20,247 --> 00:21:23,000 I thought that I wanted to be an actor, 552 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,961 and I was in a few DTV movies. 553 00:21:25,961 --> 00:21:27,087 What's DTV? 554 00:21:27,087 --> 00:21:28,213 You're so young. 555 00:21:28,213 --> 00:21:29,673 Uh, direct to video. 556 00:21:29,673 --> 00:21:32,009 They made all these super cheap movies 557 00:21:32,009 --> 00:21:33,802 back in the '80s and '90s. 558 00:21:33,802 --> 00:21:35,345 You make them as cheaply as possible 559 00:21:35,345 --> 00:21:37,389 and then hope that someone was drawn in enough 560 00:21:37,389 --> 00:21:39,808 {\an8}by the cover art to rent them. 561 00:21:39,808 --> 00:21:42,394 {\an8}- A guy can't have a side gig? - Totally. 562 00:21:42,394 --> 00:21:43,979 How did you get into acting? 563 00:21:43,979 --> 00:21:46,523 {\an8}Some director scouted me when I pulled him over. 564 00:21:46,523 --> 00:21:49,318 {\an8}He said I had a bitchin' bod. 565 00:21:49,318 --> 00:21:50,986 Well, he wasn't wrong. 566 00:21:50,986 --> 00:21:53,864 But I gave it up 'cause the people of this city 567 00:21:53,864 --> 00:21:55,949 - needed a savior. - Mm. 568 00:21:55,949 --> 00:21:58,202 Yeah, you are the model of public service. 569 00:21:58,202 --> 00:22:00,037 Right. 570 00:22:00,037 --> 00:22:03,082 Anyway, Rich became interested in this terrible 571 00:22:03,082 --> 00:22:06,293 B movie that I was in. I played a monk. 572 00:22:06,293 --> 00:22:08,837 It was called "300 Days of Hell." 573 00:22:13,092 --> 00:22:14,968 Terrible B movie, that's what he called it? 574 00:22:14,968 --> 00:22:17,346 "300 Days of Hell" is the scariest film of the 1990s. 575 00:22:17,346 --> 00:22:18,931 Really? 576 00:22:18,931 --> 00:22:20,891 "The Ring", "Scream," "Blair Witch Project"? 577 00:22:20,891 --> 00:22:22,851 Which one of us executive produced a horror movie? 578 00:22:22,851 --> 00:22:25,104 Trust me, "THDOH" 579 00:22:25,104 --> 00:22:27,106 is true nightmare fuel. 580 00:22:27,106 --> 00:22:29,191 It's not that scary. 581 00:22:29,191 --> 00:22:31,735 She made me watch it at the beginning of our relationship. 582 00:22:31,735 --> 00:22:34,613 When he was still trying to impress me. 583 00:22:34,613 --> 00:22:36,740 You wanna watch it again tonight? 584 00:22:36,740 --> 00:22:39,493 - I would. Totally. 585 00:22:39,493 --> 00:22:42,496 I do have plans, though. 586 00:22:42,496 --> 00:22:44,081 Yeah I'm not watching that crap, 587 00:22:44,081 --> 00:22:45,791 even if it is for a case. 588 00:22:45,791 --> 00:22:48,043 I see enough horror on the job. 589 00:22:48,043 --> 00:22:51,088 That being said, "300 Days of Hell" 590 00:22:51,088 --> 00:22:53,090 was our first real window into the rabbit hole 591 00:22:53,090 --> 00:22:54,508 that Rich had gone down. 592 00:22:54,508 --> 00:22:56,051 A rabbit hole filled with demons... 593 00:22:56,051 --> 00:22:58,971 or rather, a demon. 594 00:22:58,971 --> 00:23:00,681 So Rich believed a demon had killed all those people? 595 00:23:00,681 --> 00:23:02,391 No, the killers were definitely human. 596 00:23:02,391 --> 00:23:04,184 - Killers, plural? - Yeah. 597 00:23:04,184 --> 00:23:06,645 There was different trace DNA on all the bodies, 598 00:23:06,645 --> 00:23:08,772 all from different subjects, and none of them 599 00:23:08,772 --> 00:23:11,191 - were in the system. - Meaning? 600 00:23:11,191 --> 00:23:12,442 The murders were committed by a group of people 601 00:23:12,442 --> 00:23:14,528 with shared beliefs. 602 00:23:14,528 --> 00:23:15,737 A murder cult? 603 00:23:15,737 --> 00:23:18,198 The cult believed a demon named Malaphus 604 00:23:18,198 --> 00:23:20,534 had been possessing people all across the city, 605 00:23:20,534 --> 00:23:24,496 jumping from host to host, and it was up to them to stop it. 606 00:23:33,046 --> 00:23:35,132 {\an8}The legend of Malaphus is centuries old. 607 00:23:35,132 --> 00:23:38,343 {\an8}The first mention we see of him is 1433's 608 00:23:38,343 --> 00:23:40,554 "Lesser Grimoire of Solomon" 609 00:23:40,554 --> 00:23:44,141 by Slovenian inquisitor Terentius Bruma, 610 00:23:44,141 --> 00:23:48,270 a reference text of demons and their attributes. 611 00:23:48,270 --> 00:23:50,397 - Gnarly. - Right? 612 00:23:50,397 --> 00:23:53,400 He's also known as the Deceiver, the Infestor, 613 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,986 and Demon of 300 days. Why? 614 00:23:55,986 --> 00:23:58,322 Once summoned to Earth, Malaphus won't rest 615 00:23:58,322 --> 00:24:00,115 until he finds a human host. 616 00:24:00,115 --> 00:24:03,035 After possession begins, he incubates 617 00:24:03,035 --> 00:24:05,245 300 days. 618 00:24:05,245 --> 00:24:06,788 What happens after 300 days? 619 00:24:06,788 --> 00:24:08,582 He reaches full strength, 620 00:24:08,582 --> 00:24:11,877 and his power becomes uncontainable. 621 00:24:11,877 --> 00:24:13,253 Uh-oh. 622 00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:16,882 Um, if Malaphus was summoned to Earth, 623 00:24:16,882 --> 00:24:18,508 how would one stop him? 624 00:24:18,508 --> 00:24:21,887 Bruma suggests killing the host might slow Malaphus down, 625 00:24:21,887 --> 00:24:25,599 forcing him to regenerate before he can find a new host, 626 00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:28,393 a process that also can be slowed 627 00:24:28,393 --> 00:24:30,896 by the use of copper. 628 00:24:30,896 --> 00:24:33,565 - It was the pennies. - The pennies. 629 00:24:33,565 --> 00:24:35,108 It all came back to the pennies. 630 00:24:35,108 --> 00:24:38,695 Before 1984, U.S. pennies were 95% copper. 631 00:24:38,695 --> 00:24:41,240 So the copper in the pennies was meant to bind the demon, 632 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,574 but what about the 1930 part? 633 00:24:42,574 --> 00:24:45,410 Uh, are you familiar with numerology? 634 00:24:46,954 --> 00:24:49,665 Some ancient peoples... and Taylor Swift... 635 00:24:49,665 --> 00:24:52,668 believed there was a mystical connection 636 00:24:52,668 --> 00:24:55,462 between letters and numbers. 637 00:24:55,462 --> 00:24:57,631 Using the Chaldean method, the name Malaphus 638 00:24:57,631 --> 00:24:59,716 becomes a digit, 1930. 639 00:24:59,716 --> 00:25:02,260 - So you're saying... - We had a theory. 640 00:25:02,260 --> 00:25:04,888 Whoever killed those people believed the victims 641 00:25:04,888 --> 00:25:07,057 were possessed by Malaphus. 642 00:25:07,057 --> 00:25:10,811 They had to reach Malaphus's host before 643 00:25:10,811 --> 00:25:12,521 he reached his true form. 644 00:25:12,521 --> 00:25:14,022 A 1930 penny was the perfect tool. 645 00:25:14,022 --> 00:25:16,608 Yeah, Rich's talk of, "it's inside me, 646 00:25:16,608 --> 00:25:18,944 it won't let me die," he thought he was infested 647 00:25:18,944 --> 00:25:20,362 by this demon, too, 648 00:25:20,362 --> 00:25:21,905 and that's why he killed himself. 649 00:25:21,905 --> 00:25:23,407 Wait. 650 00:25:23,407 --> 00:25:24,825 I thought Rich didn't believe in Malaphus. 651 00:25:24,825 --> 00:25:27,119 Isn't that why he was trying to stop the cult? 652 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,371 Well, yes, but, I mean, years of obsession and paranoia 653 00:25:29,371 --> 00:25:31,331 can do a number on a person's psyche. 654 00:25:31,331 --> 00:25:32,457 I mean, it seems as though, in the end, 655 00:25:32,457 --> 00:25:34,126 Rich could no longer distinguish 656 00:25:34,126 --> 00:25:35,752 fantasy from reality. 657 00:25:35,752 --> 00:25:37,504 And you got this theory from Rich's files? 658 00:25:37,504 --> 00:25:39,548 Well, I mean, we actually got it from Lopez. 659 00:25:39,548 --> 00:25:42,134 And they say watching old horror movies 660 00:25:42,134 --> 00:25:44,428 isn't a good use of time. 661 00:25:44,428 --> 00:25:46,680 I never said that. 662 00:25:53,895 --> 00:25:56,106 Are we safe, brother? 663 00:25:56,106 --> 00:25:58,108 Is Malaphus banished? 664 00:25:58,108 --> 00:25:59,860 His sigil is drawn. 665 00:25:59,860 --> 00:26:01,778 The rite is spoken. 666 00:26:01,778 --> 00:26:05,782 We have sealed his last human vessel with copper. 667 00:26:12,205 --> 00:26:13,999 Heaven forgive us. 668 00:26:13,999 --> 00:26:15,959 Indeed. 669 00:26:15,959 --> 00:26:18,003 For hell will not. 670 00:26:19,171 --> 00:26:21,381 Midnight, 671 00:26:21,381 --> 00:26:24,426 the 300th day. 672 00:26:24,426 --> 00:26:27,054 Our task was done none too soon. 673 00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:55,374 Yeah, that was me. 674 00:26:57,751 --> 00:26:59,544 - Do you guys want a glass? - No, I'm good. 675 00:26:59,544 --> 00:27:02,047 Oh, you got anything stronger? 676 00:27:02,047 --> 00:27:04,591 Fine. I'll just take a glass. 677 00:27:04,591 --> 00:27:06,635 OK, I'll, just... I'll have nothing, actually. 678 00:27:06,635 --> 00:27:08,428 No fun for me. 679 00:27:08,428 --> 00:27:12,224 Yeah, that was my first big movie role. 680 00:27:12,224 --> 00:27:15,894 Well, my only one, really. 681 00:27:15,894 --> 00:27:18,772 Rich was so excited when I told him I booked it. 682 00:27:18,772 --> 00:27:20,732 He helped me run lines. 683 00:27:20,732 --> 00:27:22,317 Did Rich buy in to the Malaphus mythology? 684 00:27:22,317 --> 00:27:23,985 No. 685 00:27:23,985 --> 00:27:25,987 Weirdly, given all the conspiracies that Rich 686 00:27:25,987 --> 00:27:29,157 believed in, he was a total atheist. 687 00:27:29,157 --> 00:27:31,076 But I wouldn't have blamed him after everything 688 00:27:31,076 --> 00:27:32,619 that happened on that shoot. 689 00:27:32,619 --> 00:27:34,329 Like what? 690 00:27:35,622 --> 00:27:37,541 Before production wrapped, 691 00:27:37,541 --> 00:27:39,543 the DP was paralyzed driving to set. 692 00:27:39,543 --> 00:27:42,087 A stunt person had his leg amputated. 693 00:27:42,087 --> 00:27:43,964 There were divorces, bankruptcies. 694 00:27:43,964 --> 00:27:45,507 Careers ended. 695 00:27:45,507 --> 00:27:49,553 One of the actors even died in his hotel room. 696 00:27:49,553 --> 00:27:51,513 People say the production was cursed. 697 00:27:51,513 --> 00:27:53,932 - What about you? What do you believe? 698 00:27:53,932 --> 00:27:58,228 I believe the real curse was the director. 699 00:27:58,228 --> 00:28:01,148 He was a reckless maniac that didn't know how to run a set. 700 00:28:01,148 --> 00:28:03,733 - Cut. Cut! 701 00:28:03,733 --> 00:28:06,111 {\an8}Arthur! Arthur! 702 00:28:06,111 --> 00:28:09,990 {\an8}Your strangulation, it has to be real. 703 00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:12,159 I wanna feel the life draining from him. 704 00:28:12,159 --> 00:28:15,871 You, you... you cannot move from your position, 705 00:28:15,871 --> 00:28:17,581 Not even an inch. 706 00:28:17,581 --> 00:28:21,835 Guys, this ritual is extremely specific. 707 00:28:21,835 --> 00:28:23,920 OK? Let's go again. 708 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,505 OK, I thought I was choking you pretty well. 709 00:28:25,505 --> 00:28:26,965 I'm sorry. 710 00:28:26,965 --> 00:28:27,799 OK, I'm gonna choke you a little harder. 711 00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:29,593 Ready? 712 00:28:29,593 --> 00:28:31,595 Douglas was real touchy about the religious stuff. 713 00:28:31,595 --> 00:28:33,889 I guess he had grown up in some sort of commune, 714 00:28:33,889 --> 00:28:36,808 and this was all based on stories he was told growing up. 715 00:28:36,808 --> 00:28:39,227 OK, but what I heard is that they accidentally 716 00:28:39,227 --> 00:28:41,146 summoned Malaphus for real. 717 00:28:41,146 --> 00:28:42,856 The director found some ancient tome 718 00:28:42,856 --> 00:28:46,234 and inserted the incantation and rituals verbatim. 719 00:28:46,234 --> 00:28:47,611 Ooh, I love that. 720 00:28:47,611 --> 00:28:49,112 And that's what got me thinking 721 00:28:49,112 --> 00:28:50,822 about the penny killings. 722 00:28:50,822 --> 00:28:53,742 We found the first victim just a little under 300 days 723 00:28:53,742 --> 00:28:55,785 after the summoning ritual was filmed. 724 00:28:55,785 --> 00:28:58,079 We knew Rich was aware of the Malaphus legends. 725 00:28:58,079 --> 00:28:59,998 It was only natural to link them. 726 00:28:59,998 --> 00:29:02,125 So Rich thought the penny victims were killed by people 727 00:29:02,125 --> 00:29:03,919 trying to stop Malaphus. 728 00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:06,213 Was he able to identify any of these killers? 729 00:29:06,213 --> 00:29:07,422 We know he tried. 730 00:29:08,798 --> 00:29:10,467 - Hi. - Hey. How are you? 731 00:29:10,467 --> 00:29:12,844 - Jared. - Hello. Wow. 732 00:29:12,844 --> 00:29:15,472 Um, it's a... it's a pleasure to meet you, gentlemen. 733 00:29:15,472 --> 00:29:16,890 Pleasure to meet you too. 734 00:29:16,890 --> 00:29:18,391 Why don't you tell us about yourselves? 735 00:29:18,391 --> 00:29:23,021 {\an8} Yeah, we, uh, co-starred on a TV show together 736 00:29:23,021 --> 00:29:25,398 for 15 seasons 737 00:29:25,398 --> 00:29:27,150 called "Supernatural." 738 00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:29,319 Yeah, we played Sam and Dean Winchester, 739 00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:33,156 brothers that, you know, tracked and fought 740 00:29:33,156 --> 00:29:35,116 supernatural beings. 741 00:29:35,116 --> 00:29:36,785 - Like "K-Pop Demon Hunters." - No. 742 00:29:36,785 --> 00:29:38,078 No, not like that. 743 00:29:38,078 --> 00:29:39,913 I mean, kind of like that. 744 00:29:39,913 --> 00:29:41,122 - No. - Yeah. 745 00:29:41,122 --> 00:29:43,458 OK, can you tell us about your encounter 746 00:29:43,458 --> 00:29:45,252 - with Rich Rowley? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 747 00:29:45,252 --> 00:29:46,962 Rich Rowley. 748 00:29:46,962 --> 00:29:51,633 He came to a fan event we did last year at MonsterCon. 749 00:29:51,633 --> 00:29:53,093 Yeah, you know, most people show up, 750 00:29:53,093 --> 00:29:57,305 and they just want an autograph or a photo. 751 00:29:57,305 --> 00:30:00,892 But Rich was a bit of a different beast altogether. 752 00:30:00,892 --> 00:30:03,103 Yeah, yeah, he was... he was super 753 00:30:03,103 --> 00:30:05,272 fixated on this one particular episode 754 00:30:05,272 --> 00:30:07,649 - where we fought a demon. - Malaphus. 755 00:30:07,649 --> 00:30:09,818 Yeah, uh, that one. 756 00:30:09,818 --> 00:30:14,364 Anyway he seemed to think we, like, knew more 757 00:30:14,364 --> 00:30:16,199 about it than we were saying. 758 00:30:16,199 --> 00:30:16,950 More about what? 759 00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:18,827 Demon hunting. 760 00:30:18,827 --> 00:30:21,913 He kept, like, asking these super pointed questions, 761 00:30:21,913 --> 00:30:24,124 like... like he was, I don't know, 762 00:30:24,124 --> 00:30:25,292 testing us or something. 763 00:30:25,292 --> 00:30:27,502 - Did you have an answer? - No. 764 00:30:27,502 --> 00:30:28,795 No, I mean, we didn't... 765 00:30:28,795 --> 00:30:30,422 we didn't come up with these stories. 766 00:30:30,422 --> 00:30:32,090 You know, we just did what the writers wrote. 767 00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:33,633 It's called acting. 768 00:30:33,633 --> 00:30:35,844 There's no actual demon hunters in real life. 769 00:30:35,844 --> 00:30:37,012 Exactly. 770 00:30:37,012 --> 00:30:38,930 Uh, that's not exactly true. 771 00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:41,099 There is at least one. 772 00:30:41,099 --> 00:30:44,936 And it actually connected to the movie. 773 00:30:44,936 --> 00:30:46,896 We heard the director brought a priest named 774 00:30:46,896 --> 00:30:48,940 Father Simon McCabe to bless the set 775 00:30:48,940 --> 00:30:50,275 every day before filming. 776 00:30:50,275 --> 00:30:51,901 Well, it was either that or the whole crew 777 00:30:51,901 --> 00:30:53,486 was going to walk. 778 00:30:53,486 --> 00:30:56,615 Does that name mean anything to you? 779 00:30:56,615 --> 00:30:58,033 About 15 years ago. 780 00:30:58,033 --> 00:31:00,493 Lopez and I had just finished our rookie years. 781 00:31:00,493 --> 00:31:02,829 We responded to a call at a house. 782 00:31:02,829 --> 00:31:05,373 Priest doing an exorcism with a 16-year-old girl. 783 00:31:05,373 --> 00:31:06,499 Had been going on for three days. 784 00:31:06,499 --> 00:31:09,336 Father, no. 785 00:31:09,336 --> 00:31:12,088 Police! 786 00:31:12,088 --> 00:31:13,715 Help her! 787 00:31:13,715 --> 00:31:15,925 Please! 788 00:31:21,348 --> 00:31:24,726 Get away from her! 789 00:31:24,726 --> 00:31:28,480 Father, forgive me. 790 00:31:36,821 --> 00:31:37,989 Did you feel like you'd seen the devil? 791 00:31:37,989 --> 00:31:39,199 The only thing in that room that belonged in hell 792 00:31:39,199 --> 00:31:42,369 - was Father Simon. - He kept saying he had to. 793 00:31:42,369 --> 00:31:44,704 The whole way to the station, "I'm sorry, I had to. 794 00:31:44,704 --> 00:31:46,206 I'm sorry, I had to." 795 00:31:46,206 --> 00:31:48,083 Because he believed she was possessed? 796 00:31:48,083 --> 00:31:49,584 She had a brain tumor. 797 00:31:49,584 --> 00:31:52,128 That's what they found after the autopsy. 798 00:31:52,128 --> 00:31:54,172 She needed a doctor, not an exorcism. 799 00:31:54,172 --> 00:31:56,674 And he wasn't a man of God. He was a killer. 800 00:31:56,674 --> 00:31:58,385 The courts agreed. 801 00:31:58,385 --> 00:32:01,304 So Father Simon was convicted of first-degree murder. 802 00:32:01,304 --> 00:32:03,765 When we processed him, we found a penny in his pocket. 803 00:32:03,765 --> 00:32:05,350 Nothing else, just a penny. 804 00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:06,684 It didn't mean anything at the time, 805 00:32:06,684 --> 00:32:08,728 but after Rich connected those seven murders, 806 00:32:08,728 --> 00:32:10,647 it seemed likely he was involved. 807 00:32:10,647 --> 00:32:12,565 Involved like, he killed them? 808 00:32:12,565 --> 00:32:15,068 No, Simon was already in prison when five 809 00:32:15,068 --> 00:32:17,529 of the murders took place, and his DNA didn't match 810 00:32:17,529 --> 00:32:19,572 any that was found on the corpses. 811 00:32:19,572 --> 00:32:21,741 But he could have been part of whatever group 812 00:32:21,741 --> 00:32:23,618 Rich was so afraid of. 813 00:32:23,618 --> 00:32:25,870 Which means he knew more than he had told us. 814 00:32:25,870 --> 00:32:28,248 So we had to go back. 815 00:32:28,248 --> 00:32:31,042 Officers, I remember you. 816 00:32:31,042 --> 00:32:32,877 You... you were the ones who tried to stop the ritual. 817 00:32:32,877 --> 00:32:34,629 Just wish we would have gotten here sooner. 818 00:32:34,629 --> 00:32:36,172 Becca Scott might still be alive. 819 00:32:36,172 --> 00:32:38,633 Oh, she was long gone before you arrived. 820 00:32:38,633 --> 00:32:41,052 - The demon saw to that. - Malaphus? 821 00:32:41,052 --> 00:32:42,637 Shh. 822 00:32:42,637 --> 00:32:44,931 Do not say its name in my presence. 823 00:32:44,931 --> 00:32:47,851 What, are you afraid we might accidentally summon it? 824 00:32:47,851 --> 00:32:50,562 You may scorn me and my beliefs, 825 00:32:50,562 --> 00:32:52,439 but I have fought this evil. 826 00:32:52,439 --> 00:32:54,607 I know enough to fear its power. 827 00:32:54,607 --> 00:32:57,152 What's more evil than murdering a child? 828 00:32:57,152 --> 00:32:59,612 I took no pleasure in the act. 829 00:32:59,612 --> 00:33:01,322 I'm grateful I had the courage to do what was necessary. 830 00:33:01,322 --> 00:33:02,907 Courage? 831 00:33:02,907 --> 00:33:05,493 Tell us about the penny that was in your pocket. 832 00:33:05,493 --> 00:33:07,495 In the movie "300 Days of Hell", 833 00:33:07,495 --> 00:33:09,581 Malaphus is sealed inside his host with copper 834 00:33:09,581 --> 00:33:11,291 before he can be killed... 835 00:33:11,291 --> 00:33:13,376 Uh, banished, not killed. 836 00:33:13,376 --> 00:33:15,128 What's the difference? 837 00:33:15,128 --> 00:33:18,298 The demon is a parasite. 838 00:33:18,298 --> 00:33:19,841 It needs a host. 839 00:33:19,841 --> 00:33:21,634 Once you kill the body that inhabits it, 840 00:33:21,634 --> 00:33:23,470 it'll find a new one. 841 00:33:23,470 --> 00:33:27,307 Becca Scott was just a single battle in a larger war. 842 00:33:27,307 --> 00:33:31,644 If you're in here, who's doing the fighting now? 843 00:33:31,644 --> 00:33:33,938 The Knights of Avila. 844 00:33:33,938 --> 00:33:35,940 Los Angeles has a long history 845 00:33:35,940 --> 00:33:38,526 of spiritualism, esoteric religions 846 00:33:38,526 --> 00:33:40,111 that go back over 100 years. 847 00:33:40,111 --> 00:33:42,989 So think Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons, 848 00:33:42,989 --> 00:33:44,991 - L. Ron Hubbard. - He freaking loves this stuff. 849 00:33:44,991 --> 00:33:46,576 I do. 850 00:33:46,576 --> 00:33:48,536 Anyway, a lot of these groups started out 851 00:33:48,536 --> 00:33:51,247 as fraternal orders, similar to the Freemasons, 852 00:33:51,247 --> 00:33:53,208 where people would gather and... and... share... 853 00:33:53,208 --> 00:33:54,501 - Men. - Well, yeah. 854 00:33:54,501 --> 00:33:56,961 Yes, and... and some women. 855 00:33:56,961 --> 00:34:00,089 And they would share new ideas, explore philosophies. 856 00:34:00,089 --> 00:34:03,176 They also liked partying, doing drugs, 857 00:34:03,176 --> 00:34:05,762 and performing weird sex rituals. 858 00:34:05,762 --> 00:34:08,389 Sign me up. 859 00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:11,768 For the intellectual exchanging of ideas, obviously. 860 00:34:11,768 --> 00:34:13,186 So the Knights of Avila is one of these groups? 861 00:34:13,186 --> 00:34:14,938 It was. 862 00:34:14,938 --> 00:34:16,564 Like a lot of the similar organizations at the time, 863 00:34:16,564 --> 00:34:18,107 it fell apart when the founder died. 864 00:34:18,107 --> 00:34:19,192 It hasn't been active in... 865 00:34:19,192 --> 00:34:20,902 60 years? 866 00:34:20,902 --> 00:34:22,821 Then what was Father Simon talking about? 867 00:34:22,821 --> 00:34:25,823 Based on Tim and Lopez's conversation with Father Simon, 868 00:34:25,823 --> 00:34:27,659 we began to believe that the group, 869 00:34:27,659 --> 00:34:30,119 or at least the name, 870 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:32,622 had been revived sometime in the late '90s 871 00:34:32,622 --> 00:34:35,500 to the early 2000s and re-branded 872 00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:38,419 as some kind of demon hunting cult. 873 00:34:38,419 --> 00:34:40,755 So Rich was actually right. 874 00:34:40,755 --> 00:34:42,924 There was a murderous cabal after him. 875 00:34:42,924 --> 00:34:44,217 It seemed that way, 876 00:34:44,217 --> 00:34:46,344 and we were getting close 877 00:34:46,344 --> 00:34:48,555 to discovering who their ringleader was. 878 00:34:48,555 --> 00:34:51,474 I found him. 879 00:34:51,474 --> 00:34:53,726 - Found who? - Doug Roberts. 880 00:34:53,726 --> 00:34:55,770 I wanna feel the life draining from him! 881 00:34:55,770 --> 00:34:57,397 Oh, you mean the director of the sad little demon porn? 882 00:34:57,397 --> 00:34:58,773 Where? 883 00:34:58,773 --> 00:35:00,358 I was going through some old industry trades 884 00:35:00,358 --> 00:35:02,902 from around the time "THDOH" was slated to come out. 885 00:35:02,902 --> 00:35:05,113 One of the articles mentioned that Roberts 886 00:35:05,113 --> 00:35:06,281 was a client of Stewart Winecliff 887 00:35:06,281 --> 00:35:07,907 at the Golden Talent Agency. 888 00:35:07,907 --> 00:35:09,534 The guy hasn't made a movie in 26 years. 889 00:35:09,534 --> 00:35:10,827 I doubt they still rep him. 890 00:35:10,827 --> 00:35:12,787 Not actively, no. 891 00:35:12,787 --> 00:35:14,664 But I called their offices, and I bribed... 892 00:35:14,664 --> 00:35:16,833 or like, I talked one of the assistants into giving me 893 00:35:16,833 --> 00:35:18,543 the address where his residual checks are sent. 894 00:35:18,543 --> 00:35:20,128 It's downtown. Let's go. 895 00:35:20,128 --> 00:35:21,838 Uh, hold on. 896 00:35:21,838 --> 00:35:23,298 You just wanna go doorstep the guy? 897 00:35:23,298 --> 00:35:24,549 If that means go knock on a door 898 00:35:24,549 --> 00:35:26,175 while also filming, then yes. 899 00:35:26,175 --> 00:35:28,386 Yeah, I'm not in the business of gotcha journalism. 900 00:35:28,386 --> 00:35:31,472 What about the business of making that paper? 901 00:35:31,472 --> 00:35:32,974 The guap? 902 00:35:32,974 --> 00:35:34,851 Money, guy. 903 00:35:34,851 --> 00:35:37,103 Come on, the doc business is over-saturated these days. 904 00:35:37,103 --> 00:35:39,647 We need footage that P-O-Ps, 905 00:35:39,647 --> 00:35:41,107 and what pops more than blindsiding 906 00:35:41,107 --> 00:35:43,610 a potential cult leader? 907 00:35:43,610 --> 00:35:44,652 Come on. 908 00:35:44,652 --> 00:35:46,279 What's the worst that could happen? 909 00:35:47,822 --> 00:35:50,450 - This is it. - OK. 910 00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:52,285 - Um, here. Here's your camera. 911 00:35:52,285 --> 00:35:54,162 Um, I don't operate. 912 00:35:54,162 --> 00:35:55,246 Oh, well. 913 00:35:58,041 --> 00:36:01,586 Now, you do. 914 00:36:01,586 --> 00:36:03,880 Let's go. 915 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,466 - What floor is it on? - Eight. 916 00:36:06,466 --> 00:36:08,885 But there's an elevator. Don't worry. 917 00:36:14,766 --> 00:36:17,936 - Are you sure it's that way? - Yep. 918 00:36:17,936 --> 00:36:19,562 Nope. 919 00:36:19,562 --> 00:36:22,982 You know, at the risk of being called a scaredy cat, 920 00:36:22,982 --> 00:36:24,984 you do understand that this is inherently 921 00:36:24,984 --> 00:36:27,528 neither a wise nor safe activity? 922 00:36:27,528 --> 00:36:29,739 You're asking a woman if she understands 923 00:36:29,739 --> 00:36:33,368 that it's inherently dangerous to go anywhere or do anything? 924 00:36:33,368 --> 00:36:36,245 When you put it that way, I sound like an ass. 925 00:36:36,245 --> 00:36:37,330 Yeah. 926 00:36:39,957 --> 00:36:41,501 Maybe we should come back? 927 00:36:41,501 --> 00:36:43,920 Hey. Hello. 928 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,672 Douglas Roberts, we're here to question you 929 00:36:45,672 --> 00:36:47,882 about murders and demons. 930 00:36:47,882 --> 00:36:50,134 That should get his attention. 931 00:36:50,134 --> 00:36:51,761 Oh. 932 00:36:51,761 --> 00:36:54,138 I am just an intern. 933 00:36:59,018 --> 00:37:02,605 So clearly we're not deceased, which means... 934 00:37:02,605 --> 00:37:04,190 We saved you from certain death. 935 00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:05,608 I'm not sure how certain it was, right? 936 00:37:05,608 --> 00:37:07,235 Oh, it felt pretty certain to me. 937 00:37:07,235 --> 00:37:08,653 Please don't kill us. 938 00:37:08,653 --> 00:37:10,154 We will join your cult. Is there a membership fee 939 00:37:10,154 --> 00:37:11,781 or a secret handshake? 940 00:37:11,781 --> 00:37:13,032 - I love a secret handshake. - Ignore her. 941 00:37:13,032 --> 00:37:14,534 She's not right in the head. 942 00:37:14,534 --> 00:37:16,327 In fact, she has short-term memory issues. 943 00:37:16,327 --> 00:37:18,121 So if you let her go now, she won't remember any of this. 944 00:37:18,121 --> 00:37:19,914 - Just shut up. No one's going anywhere. 945 00:37:19,914 --> 00:37:21,165 I mean, technically, we're all going somewhere. 946 00:37:25,753 --> 00:37:28,172 - All right, let them go. Put your hands up. 947 00:37:28,172 --> 00:37:31,801 {\an8}Up against the Jeep, now. Let's go. 948 00:37:36,597 --> 00:37:38,850 Oh, hey. 949 00:37:38,850 --> 00:37:41,436 Thanks for trying to save me, even though 950 00:37:41,436 --> 00:37:43,229 I'm the one who put us in danger. 951 00:37:43,229 --> 00:37:44,939 No problem. 952 00:37:44,939 --> 00:37:46,941 I was about to do the same thing, but you just 953 00:37:46,941 --> 00:37:48,484 beat me to it. 954 00:37:48,484 --> 00:37:50,695 - I can be noble, too. - No doubt. 955 00:37:50,695 --> 00:37:52,905 Uh, I get very claustrophobic. 956 00:37:52,905 --> 00:37:54,991 Can I just point out how claustrophobic I get, please? 957 00:37:54,991 --> 00:37:57,410 So when did you and Douglas meet? 958 00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:58,745 In the movie. 959 00:37:58,745 --> 00:38:02,498 He was, you know, so commanding and driven 960 00:38:02,498 --> 00:38:04,375 and everything I wasn't. 961 00:38:04,375 --> 00:38:06,544 When did he start talking about killing the demon? 962 00:38:06,544 --> 00:38:08,838 It was, uh, at least a year after that. 963 00:38:08,838 --> 00:38:11,507 He would call me late at night 964 00:38:11,507 --> 00:38:13,593 and talk about the demon and how scared 965 00:38:13,593 --> 00:38:15,136 he was for the world, 966 00:38:15,136 --> 00:38:17,764 and eventually it started to make sense. 967 00:38:17,764 --> 00:38:20,933 And he told you that someone was possessed? 968 00:38:20,933 --> 00:38:22,894 - Correct. Her name was Cynthia. 969 00:38:22,894 --> 00:38:24,562 Um, 970 00:38:24,562 --> 00:38:27,440 she cried when I tied her up, and she kept saying 971 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,859 that she was not a demon. 972 00:38:29,859 --> 00:38:31,652 She begged me to believe her, and... 973 00:38:35,865 --> 00:38:39,077 At that point, he was very deep in my head. 974 00:38:39,077 --> 00:38:41,496 And then tonight, you know, all the lies 975 00:38:41,496 --> 00:38:43,664 he was spewing at the end, 976 00:38:43,664 --> 00:38:45,500 it was like somebody turned on a light switch. 977 00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:48,127 I could just see him for who he was. 978 00:38:48,127 --> 00:38:49,712 So pathetic. 979 00:38:52,715 --> 00:38:55,259 We'll need you to write up a detailed confession. 980 00:38:59,972 --> 00:39:01,724 I would like to make a deal. 981 00:39:03,434 --> 00:39:06,020 Uh, we have already located your co-conspirators. 982 00:39:06,020 --> 00:39:09,190 You don't really have anything to offer. 983 00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:12,318 You don't want to know what an alien spaceship looks like? 984 00:39:13,986 --> 00:39:17,740 I am all that stands between the world 985 00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:19,325 and damnation. 986 00:39:19,325 --> 00:39:21,202 So all of the people that you had targeted, 987 00:39:21,202 --> 00:39:24,997 they had to die for the greater good? 988 00:39:24,997 --> 00:39:28,751 Yes, and my heart breaks for each of them. 989 00:39:28,751 --> 00:39:31,796 But I will not let innocents fall to perdition. 990 00:39:31,796 --> 00:39:33,923 OK, have you had your fill of BS? 991 00:39:33,923 --> 00:39:35,091 God, yes. 992 00:39:35,091 --> 00:39:36,175 OK, me, too. 993 00:39:36,175 --> 00:39:40,555 So, uh, first victim, Cynthia Green. 994 00:39:40,555 --> 00:39:42,807 You dated for two years before she cheated on you. 995 00:39:42,807 --> 00:39:45,768 Marcus Ford, he worked as a teamster on your movie, 996 00:39:45,768 --> 00:39:48,563 then later sued you for nonpayment. 997 00:39:48,563 --> 00:39:52,817 Pamela Jones wrote a scathing review of your movie. 998 00:39:52,817 --> 00:39:53,985 Really? I... 999 00:39:53,985 --> 00:39:56,070 I had no idea. 1000 00:39:56,070 --> 00:39:59,448 All seven victims were people who wronged you in some way. 1001 00:39:59,448 --> 00:40:01,325 You don't even believe in the demon. 1002 00:40:01,325 --> 00:40:03,369 You just used it as a tool to get people with weak minds 1003 00:40:03,369 --> 00:40:05,246 to do your dirty work for you. 1004 00:40:07,373 --> 00:40:09,167 Exactly. 1005 00:40:09,167 --> 00:40:10,793 I was the director. 1006 00:40:10,793 --> 00:40:13,087 I think you'll find I never laid a finger 1007 00:40:13,087 --> 00:40:14,922 on any of the victims. 1008 00:40:14,922 --> 00:40:18,384 And I think you will find that Manson died in prison. 1009 00:40:20,553 --> 00:40:22,096 All right. 1010 00:40:22,096 --> 00:40:23,598 Uh, anything else? 1011 00:40:23,598 --> 00:40:25,516 No, I think we got everything. 1012 00:40:25,516 --> 00:40:27,643 OK. 1013 00:40:27,643 --> 00:40:29,979 - That was a crazy one, huh? - Tell me about it. 1014 00:40:29,979 --> 00:40:32,148 And look, thanks so much for all of your time, 1015 00:40:32,148 --> 00:40:33,774 and for saving our lives. 1016 00:40:33,774 --> 00:40:35,318 Anything for my favorite documentarian. 1017 00:40:35,318 --> 00:40:36,611 Actually, the only documentarian I know. 1018 00:40:36,611 --> 00:40:37,695 Not true. 1019 00:40:37,695 --> 00:40:39,906 - I'm a documentarian too. - Of course. 1020 00:40:39,906 --> 00:40:42,783 Yes... oh, speaking of, how did this whole 1021 00:40:42,783 --> 00:40:44,785 working together thing go? 1022 00:40:44,785 --> 00:40:47,038 Is this the start of a beautiful friendship? 1023 00:40:47,038 --> 00:40:48,748 I don't know. 1024 00:40:48,748 --> 00:40:50,458 I mean, we have very different styles 1025 00:40:50,458 --> 00:40:52,960 and instincts and, well, basically everything, 1026 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,421 but I'd be open to another collaboration. 1027 00:40:57,590 --> 00:41:00,676 Oh, um, it's just I... 1028 00:41:00,676 --> 00:41:03,804 I kind of signed an exclusive three-film deal with Hulu? 1029 00:41:03,804 --> 00:41:05,890 What? 1030 00:41:05,890 --> 00:41:07,642 Yeah, I... I sent them a sizzle reel of this project, 1031 00:41:07,642 --> 00:41:10,519 just the me parts, and they freaked. 1032 00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:12,229 Said I'm gonna be "the new face of true crime." 1033 00:41:12,229 --> 00:41:13,814 - Their words. - Wow. 1034 00:41:13,814 --> 00:41:16,192 I mean, you'd probably be able to bring him along, 1035 00:41:16,192 --> 00:41:17,235 though, right? 1036 00:41:17,235 --> 00:41:20,154 - Oh, totally. Totally. 1037 00:41:22,031 --> 00:41:25,743 I gotta go, but thanks again. Hello. 1038 00:41:25,743 --> 00:41:28,412 No, I said Toronto and then Cannes. 1039 00:41:30,373 --> 00:41:32,375 She'll probably call you. 1040 00:41:32,375 --> 00:41:33,376 No. 1041 00:42:11,580 --> 00:42:12,456 Damn it. 78451

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