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We experimented on Pet Sounds
and tried to write
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something better than the
surf songs and car songs.
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It taps into all those
feelings that we have as we're growing up,
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that somehow he's been able to
express musically and lyrically.
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♪ Wouldn't it be nice
if we were older?
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♪ Then we wouldn't
have to wait so long ♪
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Pet Sounds to me is this beautiful
marriage of a child-like innocence,
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emotional vulnerability and an
adult sort of musical genius.
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♪ I keep looking
for a place to fit in
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♪ Where I can speak my mind ♪
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It was different to
anything that was going on at that time.
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It was the leader
and everybody followed that.
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♪ I know there's an answer
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♪ I know now but I
have to find it by myself ♪
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Brian was
the master of the studio.
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No one was his equal.
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It'll always be somewhere
as long as you can hear music.
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♪ If you should ever leave me
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♪ Though life would
still go on, believe me ♪
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One of the greatest
songs I've ever heard.
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That's the genius of it.
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People think, "Oh, I can
do that," but they can't.
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It's something that only
Brian could do, you know.
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♪ God only knows
what I'd be without you
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♪ God only knows
what I'd be without you ♪
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My dad played a lot of music.
He taught me how to play...
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That kind of a bassline.
Like boogie-woogie music.
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He had a song called
His Little Darling And You.
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♪ He must return
to his queen bee
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♪ For his little
darling and me ♪
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He wrote that song.
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And then he said, "Do you like
it?" I said, "I love it."
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He had a father in Murry
Wilson who was classic showbiz.
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There was a lot of pressure
on him on many levels
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to keep
the family business going.
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As children, Mike and Brian would
frequent the family sing-alongs.
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Even back when they
were little tykes.
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They'd be in their car together
singing the stuff on the radio
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and making up silly words.
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So it was automatic.
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Just like it was automatic
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when Dennis was
tossed the drumsticks
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and he became
a drummer overnight.
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All of it just fell in.
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Brian's cousin
Mike would help him
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with the words in
the very beginning.
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They had a lot in common
with their taste.
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There were
the earlier rock and roll hits
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that were an inspiration
to so many of us.
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Chuck Berry and Little Richard
and The Everly Brothers.
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Those three were
big influences on both,
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you know, The Beatles and
The Beach Boys as well.
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We had the additional influence
of The Four Freshmen
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who did this amazing harmony.
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Brian loved
The Four Freshmen so much.
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♪ Day by day
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♪ You're making
all my dreams come true
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♪ So come what may
I want you to know ♪
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The Four Freshmen taught me how to
sing, you know, like, high falsetto.
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And Brian just melded that sweet
vocal harmony kind of a thing
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into something that
was just sensational.
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♪ Surfin' is the only life
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Mike was big into doo-wop.
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With the "bom boms"
and the "doop doops."
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♪ Bom Bom Dit Di Dit Dip
Bom Bom Dit Di Dit Dip ♪
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It started when we were asked
to do a folk song.
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And we said,
"Well, we like folk music,"
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"but we're really more into
R&B and rock and roll."
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Brian and I got around the piano
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and came up with
the song Surfin'.
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A very simple song.
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♪ We're going surfin'
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- ♪ Bom bom dip di dit.
- ♪ Surfin'
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- ♪ Bom bom dip di dit.
- ♪ Surfin'
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- ♪ Bom bom dip di dit.
- ♪ Surfin' ♪
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It was an R&B-influenced song
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with the "bom bom,
dip-di-dip-di-dips."
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But it was about surfing.
It was a way of life.
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A way of dress, a way of
talking, an attitude...
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A lifestyle.
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Capitol were
looking for younger acts.
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Murry Wilson,
The Beach Boys' dad,
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had sent in a demo
record to Voyle Gilmore
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who was then head
of A&R at Capitol.
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And Voyle gave it to Nick Venet,
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who was one of our producers
there, to listen to.
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Nick came running into my office
and said, "You gotta hear this."
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You know, he says...
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I listened to it.
It just knocked me out.
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And I said, "Oh my gosh, we
gotta sign them right now."
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"Before we lose them." You know?
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And we did Surfin' and it did really
well in about half a dozen markets.
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But then Surfin' Safari
became a reasonably big hit.
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♪ Let's go surfin' now
Everybody's learning how
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♪ Come on a safari with me ♪
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The sun was
always shining, for a start.
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And everybody was gorgeous.
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And on the beach
and all of that.
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I never aspired to go surfing
or anything like that, frankly.
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Just to be there,
see all these people
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and maybe go on a date
with a guy like that,
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would be smashing.
That's what we liked.
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I spoke to Brian about it after,
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and he said, "I love the
lifestyle, I'm an observer."
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Loved the sunshine, the whole
fashion thing that goes with it.
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"But I'm not into surfing
because I don't swim."
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That was a bit of a revelation.
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And then Surfin' USA in
1963 was number one.
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Surfing and girls...
Girls. Big on girl songs.
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So, and school...
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So, it kind of appealed to
everyone, really, didn't it?
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The Midwest, they
didn't know from surfing.
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It was the hot rod songs
that got those guys going.
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♪ Little deuce Coupe
You don't know what I got
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♪ Well, I'm not braggin' babe
so don't put me down
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♪ But I've got the fastest set
of wheels in town
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♪ When something comes
up to me he don't even try
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♪ 'Cause if I had a set of
wings man I know she could fly
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♪ She's my little deuce coupe
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♪ You don't know what I got ♪
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They loved the surfing records,
they loved the hot rod records.
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I'm talking about the marketing
guys, and the promotion guys
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who had to go out and
promote these things.
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I can remember when Brian
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wanted to put out, I think
it was Little Surfer Girl.
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And our promotion guys,
were all,
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"This is gonna kill it.
It's a ballad."
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Brian said,
"No, this is gonna..."
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Surfer Girl was
a wonderful record.
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I copied The Four Freshmen's singer.
The high singer...
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And I wrote Surfer Girl like...
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♪ Little surfer...
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♪ Little one
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♪ Made my heart come all undone
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♪ Do you love me?
Do you, surfer girl? ♪
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So you had your surfing and your
beach life, your car songs.
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But also everybody
had to go to school.
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So we wrote a song,
Be True To Your School.
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♪ So be true to your school now
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♪ Rah rah rah
Be true to your school
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♪ Rah rah rah
Be true to your school ♪
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I mean, we had our education pretty
much set out for us.
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Uh, Brian was our music teacher,
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and just being on the road
was our road scholar stuff.
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We were on the road
100 days a year or more.
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And in the studio that many.
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So it was getting tough.
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I think Brian went through a crisis.
I mean, the end of '64,
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The Beach Boys
had been touring relentlessly,
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as they did in those days. They
used to work those bands so hard.
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And the British
Invasion scared him to death.
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He thought, it's all over.
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The Beatles are gonna take it over and
that's it. We're out of business.
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And he was
the centre of this group.
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He was the main man
with The Beach Boys.
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So, in addition to doing all the
work in the studio and the writing,
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he'd have to do all the publicising
and all the promoting.
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Look at all those jobs he had.
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And anybody would cave in
at some point.
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That's too much.
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We observed him
being quite unhappy,
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being out on the road
and away from home.
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And not everyone's
suited for that life.
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He couldn't handle a lot of the
things that went along with that.
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Like, the travelling. The loudness
of it, it'd hurt his ear.
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He was having trouble hearing out of his...
He was deaf in one ear.
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I saw him have
a breakdown on an aeroplane.
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I was sitting right next to him,
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thinking, "Well, this is it!
It's over."
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"He's not gonna
recover from this."
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Well, I wanted to spend
more time at my house.
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Write songs at home.
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And...
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So I told the guys,
"I'm gonna stop touring."
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And nobody could sing like Brian
in terms of that falsetto
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and he played the bass with us
in our live shows.
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And so it was not
a happy occurrence
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to see him leave the live group.
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Capitol, on the other hand,
was thinking...
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"Well, if he can
make more records"
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"and make 'em as good
or better than they are,"
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"there's an upside to that."
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So there wasn't
a great deal of worry
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as far as Capitol was concerned.
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Brian Wilson's decision to get
off the road and to get into the studio
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is one of the most profound
moments in rock history.
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'Cause it really is when Brian
Wilson, I think, intuitively decided
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that he was gonna be an artist.
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Then he could spend
more time writing,
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arranging and recording
the tracks
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which we would sing when we would
come back off of the tour.
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He found that his instrument
was the recording studio.
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You could really hear instrumentation
that was unique to rock music.
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And I personally think that the
opening strains of California Girls
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is like an overture.
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It sounds symphonic to me,
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just the whole dynamic of it
and it's beautiful.
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♪ Well, east coast girls are hip
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♪ I really dig those
styles they wear
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♪ And the southern girls
with the way they talk
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♪ They knock me out
when I'm down there ♪
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Brian was growing exponentially
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out of that three to four year
time period since we started.
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He really... Boy, he blossomed.
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Yeah, everybody could see Brian
evolve as a songwriter, composer.
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He even said so himself,
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when our first album
was just released.
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And he was already talking
about down the road
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when he was going to produce
all this wonderful music.
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And he just kept
true to his word.
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♪ I wish they all could be
California
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♪ I wish they all could be
California girls ♪
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The Beach Boys were,
up till that point,
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sort of an embodiment
of the California dream.
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And the success of
"girls, surf, car, school"
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brought in
the ability to have budgets
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to keep recording
and experimenting,
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and now he's got a pack of
brilliant musicians in the studio.
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Most people know
them as The Wrecking Crew.
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And they were, basically,
the top LA session players.
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People who'd come up
through the jazz scene,
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who played on everything
from Sonny and Cher
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to Frank Sinatra
to The Mamas and The Papas,
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a lot of Phil Spector's records...
They were on pretty much everything.
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He didn't rely on the Beach
Boys band so much any more
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because he didn't have to.
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The minute those
guys were on the road,
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he was really in
the lab experimenting.
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One of the tracks he
did was Sloop John B
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which, the idea for that
came from Alan Jardine.
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Growing up as a teenager
in Hawthorne, California,
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we were all mesmerised by this
evolution of folk music
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that happened around
late '50s, early '60s.
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And here comes the amazing
trio, The Kingston Trio.
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♪ We come on the sloop John B
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♪ My grandfather and me
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So I wanted to share
my joy of that with the guys.
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And I started messing around
with some folk songs again.
239
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And, by golly, that darn ol' Kingston
Trio stuff started coming back.
240
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♪ Well, I feel so broke up
241
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♪ I want to go home ♪
242
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Al Jardine loved
folk music so much,
243
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and when he was in high school,
244
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he would sing
the Kingston Trio music
245
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and he always
wanted to record it.
246
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Without Al's interest, I don't think
Brian would've ever recorded it.
247
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I thought if I put
it in his language...
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Put it in a way that
he'd understand it,
249
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and give it a little oomph.
250
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You know, a little power,
a little change...
251
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Get off the folk rhythm,
get onto the Beach Boy rhythm.
252
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He actually showed Brian the
chords and so on, like that.
253
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This is probably
how I played it.
254
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A little more tempo.
255
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And here's the difference.
256
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There's the key.
There's the turnaround
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that actually
makes the vocals work.
258
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They become matchable
because we've added a minor.
259
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And we did it together.
260
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I told him I would adapt the melody
and make an arrangement to it.
261
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The next day, he had
an arrangement done on it.
262
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He surprised the hell out of me.
263
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And he came up with
quite a stunning track.
264
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Let's have
the flutes one more time.
265
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Could I hear...
266
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One more.
267
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- Right there, don't move.
- Don't move.
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All right, let's make it.
Here we go. Sloop John B.
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♪ We come on the sloop John B
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♪ My grandfather and me
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♪ Around Nassau town we did roam
272
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♪ Drinking all night
273
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♪ Got into a fight
274
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♪ Well, I feel so broke up
275
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♪ I want to go home
276
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♪ So hoist up the John B's sail
277
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♪ See how the...
278
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Down beats...
Unheard of, just down beats.
279
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♪ ...captain ashore
280
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♪ Let me go home
281
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♪ Let me go home
282
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Building a track was something
that Brian was very good at.
283
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It was a very simple part, obviously,
it would get more elaborate.
284
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And, except for the intro, the horns
and the flutes haven't played yet.
285
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They will come in here.
286
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♪ The first mate he got drunk
287
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♪ And broke in the Cap'n's trunk
288
00:15:27,757 --> 00:15:32,167
♪ The constable had to
come and take him away
289
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It's somehow the visualisation
of being on that ship,
290
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watching those waves,
watching the sails.
291
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To me, it's all visual.
292
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Just something to
spice up the feeling
293
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of being on the ocean.
294
00:15:51,298 --> 00:15:53,548
So, we're towards
the end of the song.
295
00:15:55,799 --> 00:15:58,469
And you'll see that
Hal's part changes.
296
00:16:02,423 --> 00:16:05,763
Now, another 16 bars, we want it...
We want it bigger.
297
00:16:08,340 --> 00:16:09,920
And it's still changing.
298
00:16:09,923 --> 00:16:11,923
It's a little
rougher seas, maybe.
299
00:16:14,048 --> 00:16:15,468
And it's getting
bigger and bigger,
300
00:16:15,473 --> 00:16:21,047
and now I'm playing straight
eighths with two drums,
301
00:16:21,048 --> 00:16:23,428
which is one of the tricks I
always did with The Beach Boys.
302
00:16:23,431 --> 00:16:26,631
Snare drum and a floor tom-tom.
303
00:16:26,632 --> 00:16:31,512
So you're getting the highs of the
snare, the lows of the floor tom-tom.
304
00:16:31,513 --> 00:16:33,797
♪ So hoist up the John B's sail
305
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♪ See how the mainsail sets ♪
306
00:16:35,050 --> 00:16:38,047
He didn't
invite me to the session,
307
00:16:38,048 --> 00:16:39,408
which I thought
was kind of rude,
308
00:16:39,409 --> 00:16:42,005
but, you know,
I quickly forgave him.
309
00:16:42,006 --> 00:16:45,836
Because he was on a roll, man.
He was on fire.
310
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So, you know, I just backed off.
311
00:16:48,674 --> 00:16:51,673
I thought, "You know what?
He got it. I got through."
312
00:16:51,674 --> 00:16:53,798
And that was the main thing.
313
00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:57,589
What you see with The Beach
Boys right before Pet Sounds
314
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is that rock and roll
was about getting a hit.
315
00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,670
It was always
about the next hit.
316
00:17:02,674 --> 00:17:05,673
And just giving you something that
maybe sounded enough like the last one
317
00:17:05,674 --> 00:17:07,422
to get another hit.
318
00:17:07,423 --> 00:17:10,922
Oh, man,
we became a touring jukebox.
319
00:17:10,923 --> 00:17:13,839
Yeah.
We were like a jukebox band.
320
00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,964
Really, that idea of the rock and roll
album was just beginning to exist.
321
00:17:18,965 --> 00:17:22,715
You know, it's really The
Beatles, around Rubber Soul,
322
00:17:23,507 --> 00:17:25,547
step up the game in a major way.
323
00:17:25,548 --> 00:17:31,378
Anything and everything The Beatles
did was worth paying notice to,
324
00:17:31,382 --> 00:17:35,297
and it was an inspiration.
Rubber Soul in particular.
325
00:17:35,298 --> 00:17:40,047
Brian Wilson is very
introspective, melancholy...
326
00:17:40,048 --> 00:17:42,588
Might have been afraid
to express himself that way.
327
00:17:42,590 --> 00:17:44,718
The Rubber Soul
album by The Beatles,
328
00:17:44,719 --> 00:17:46,545
I think,
might have sparked Brian,
329
00:17:46,548 --> 00:17:48,008
opened a little window for him.
330
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♪ Nowhere Man, please listen
331
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♪ You don't know
what you're missing
332
00:17:56,215 --> 00:18:03,295
♪ Nowhere Man
The world is at your command ♪
333
00:18:03,298 --> 00:18:06,378
"Maybe I can be
introspective in my art",
334
00:18:06,382 --> 00:18:10,506
"and express my melancholy
through songs and stuff."
335
00:18:10,507 --> 00:18:13,964
You could see there
that he was, you know...
336
00:18:13,965 --> 00:18:16,714
Something's going on
in this guy's head.
337
00:18:16,715 --> 00:18:19,505
It's not the average "My girlfriend
left me at the high school dance."
338
00:18:19,606 --> 00:18:20,966
There was
something more going on.
339
00:18:20,967 --> 00:18:23,585
I experimented on Pet Sounds.
340
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:25,589
I tried to write
something better
341
00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:27,920
than the surf songs
and car songs.
342
00:18:27,923 --> 00:18:30,260
Maybe my favourite
Brian song of all time is
343
00:18:30,261 --> 00:18:32,377
I Just Wasn't
Made For These Times.
344
00:18:32,382 --> 00:18:34,422
It's where he hits the truth.
345
00:18:34,423 --> 00:18:39,381
♪ I keep looking
for a place to fit in
346
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♪ Where I can speak my mind
347
00:18:45,257 --> 00:18:47,917
The first line.
348
00:18:47,923 --> 00:18:50,133
How many people in this world
haven't felt that way?
349
00:18:50,134 --> 00:18:53,130
"I'm looking for
a place to fit in."
350
00:18:53,131 --> 00:18:55,371
"I'm just looking for a place
where I can speak my mind."
351
00:18:55,372 --> 00:18:57,525
I think that really crystallises
352
00:18:57,632 --> 00:19:00,472
um, a lot of the impetus
behind Pet Sounds,
353
00:19:00,473 --> 00:19:04,375
that Brian was finding a place
to really express himself.
354
00:19:04,382 --> 00:19:09,672
♪ I've been trying hard
to find the people
355
00:19:09,674 --> 00:19:14,297
♪ That I won't leave behind ♪
356
00:19:14,298 --> 00:19:16,147
That was like a social
statement, like saying,
357
00:19:16,148 --> 00:19:19,214
I thought I was
a little bit out of time.
358
00:19:19,215 --> 00:19:22,085
I thought I was
a little ahead of my time.
359
00:19:22,090 --> 00:19:24,470
We had talked
about that idea even before
360
00:19:24,471 --> 00:19:26,795
we did some of the other songs.
361
00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:30,217
So I think it was something
that kinda came up occasionally,
362
00:19:30,218 --> 00:19:31,964
as we were
discussing lyric ideas.
363
00:19:31,965 --> 00:19:34,665
They're not clever-clever.
364
00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:37,673
None of the lyrics on Pet
Sounds are clever-clever.
365
00:19:37,674 --> 00:19:39,673
They would just get
right to the heart,
366
00:19:39,674 --> 00:19:40,974
and say what they've got to say.
367
00:19:40,975 --> 00:19:43,165
♪ They say, I got brains
368
00:19:43,173 --> 00:19:47,005
♪ But they ain't
doing me no good
369
00:19:47,006 --> 00:19:50,756
♪ I wish they could ♪
370
00:19:50,757 --> 00:19:52,797
It just had a feeling of like,
371
00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:57,256
"I wish I could find people that
could help me find a cooler place."
372
00:19:57,257 --> 00:19:58,257
It's a simple song.
373
00:19:58,258 --> 00:20:01,917
But when you hear
the vocal stuff on it,
374
00:20:01,923 --> 00:20:04,673
it's not a simple song,
it's not that easy to do.
375
00:20:04,674 --> 00:20:09,514
The harmonies are the distinctive
quality of The Beach Boys' recordings.
376
00:20:09,515 --> 00:20:16,837
I think that's the one thing that's
very unique to The Beach Boys.
377
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,589
The refinement of the harmonies,
378
00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:20,420
and the closeness
of the harmonies,
379
00:20:20,423 --> 00:20:23,223
and the warmth of the
harmonies, and the blend.
380
00:20:23,224 --> 00:20:27,665
There's something that is in
their DNA, I guess, you know.
381
00:20:27,674 --> 00:20:30,381
They come from
the same heritage.
382
00:20:30,382 --> 00:20:33,172
The singing is an expression
of yourself, your feelings.
383
00:20:35,799 --> 00:20:40,339
And so, me and my
brothers sang together.
384
00:20:40,340 --> 00:20:43,549
Because we're a family, three
brothers and my cousin, Mike.
385
00:20:43,550 --> 00:20:45,967
So we blend together
very well, very good.
386
00:20:45,968 --> 00:20:50,835
Al Jardine, Mike Love, Carl
Wilson, Brian Wilson, Dennis Wilson,
387
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,339
it's those timbres.
388
00:20:53,340 --> 00:20:55,547
In fact, now slide me in there.
389
00:20:55,548 --> 00:20:57,047
Now there's six.
390
00:20:57,048 --> 00:20:59,758
And listen to, on the
Pet Sounds album,
391
00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,877
this track called I Just
Wasn't Made For These Times.
392
00:21:02,881 --> 00:21:04,964
There's six of us singing.
393
00:21:04,965 --> 00:21:09,214
♪ Each time things start
to happen again
394
00:21:09,215 --> 00:21:13,585
♪ I think I got something good
goin' for myself
395
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:16,050
♪ But what goes wrong?
396
00:21:16,757 --> 00:21:21,005
♪ Sometimes I feel very sad
397
00:21:21,006 --> 00:21:27,416
♪ Sometimes I feel very sad
398
00:21:27,423 --> 00:21:32,422
♪ Can't find nothin' I can
put my heart and soul into ♪
399
00:21:32,423 --> 00:21:36,798
And there's a quality and
a blend about the voices
400
00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:39,629
that nobody has copied.
401
00:21:39,632 --> 00:21:43,472
There've been tribute bands,
who've obviously copied them,
402
00:21:43,473 --> 00:21:49,125
but nobody's been able
to reach that height of...
403
00:21:49,131 --> 00:21:52,671
To me, it's quite jazzy, and that's
one of the reasons I like it.
404
00:21:52,674 --> 00:21:56,174
But that height of sophistication,
musically, and the sound,
405
00:21:56,715 --> 00:21:58,625
ah, it was unique.
406
00:21:58,632 --> 00:22:03,464
♪ I guess I just
wasn't made for these times
407
00:22:03,465 --> 00:22:09,255
♪ I guess I just
wasn't made for these times
408
00:22:09,257 --> 00:22:16,005
♪ I guess I just
wasn't made for these times ♪
409
00:22:16,006 --> 00:22:18,046
I Just Wasn't
Made For These Times
410
00:22:18,048 --> 00:22:19,547
is kind of
an artistic statement,
411
00:22:19,548 --> 00:22:22,008
saying, "I am not going
to fit in to my times."
412
00:22:22,009 --> 00:22:24,416
"I'm going to determine them."
413
00:22:24,423 --> 00:22:25,964
And he did.
414
00:22:25,965 --> 00:22:28,335
He did, The Beatles did,
and Bob Dylan.
415
00:22:28,340 --> 00:22:33,339
They all stopped
trying to make pop music
416
00:22:33,340 --> 00:22:36,170
in the traditional sense,
and tried to make art.
417
00:22:36,173 --> 00:22:38,093
And that's why
popular music became art.
418
00:22:38,094 --> 00:22:40,130
♪ Lucky Lockets are such fun
419
00:22:40,131 --> 00:22:43,381
♪ Tiny kiddles in each one ♪
420
00:22:43,382 --> 00:22:46,381
I met Brian Wilson the first
time at Capitol Recording Studios.
421
00:22:46,382 --> 00:22:49,172
I was working for
an advertising agency,
422
00:22:49,173 --> 00:22:51,005
it was part of my job.
423
00:22:51,006 --> 00:22:53,466
I was doing jingles
and writing commercials.
424
00:22:59,715 --> 00:23:03,045
That was it. That was the whole
jingle, and it was two notes,
425
00:23:03,048 --> 00:23:04,714
and so effective.
426
00:23:04,715 --> 00:23:07,165
And so I go outside the studio
and I walk down the hall,
427
00:23:07,173 --> 00:23:11,339
and I guess I
just ran into Brian,
428
00:23:11,340 --> 00:23:13,920
and the two of us were standing
there, we started talking.
429
00:23:13,923 --> 00:23:15,673
He said, "Hi, how are you?"
430
00:23:15,674 --> 00:23:18,424
"Hi, how are
you?" That's a Brian thing.
431
00:23:18,425 --> 00:23:19,882
And I said, "Great. How are you?"
432
00:23:19,883 --> 00:23:23,261
"What are you working on?" And he
said, "We're doing some stuff...
433
00:23:23,262 --> 00:23:25,667
"Hey, you wanna listen to this?"
434
00:23:25,674 --> 00:23:29,424
I was very impressed with some of
the stuff I heard in that session
435
00:23:29,425 --> 00:23:31,883
because they were
not finished tracks.
436
00:23:31,884 --> 00:23:34,964
It was sublime.
I mean, it was really...
437
00:23:34,965 --> 00:23:36,875
I couldn't have
imagined anything better.
438
00:23:36,881 --> 00:23:40,509
Tony was a very mellow person.
He was a very nice guy.
439
00:23:40,510 --> 00:23:44,667
Kind of low-key, he wasn't a real
peppy guy, he was kinda low-key.
440
00:23:44,674 --> 00:23:47,214
I went back to
doing what I was doing,
441
00:23:47,215 --> 00:23:48,775
and I didn't know if
I'd see him again.
442
00:23:48,882 --> 00:23:51,589
A few weeks later,
I got a phone call.
443
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:56,339
I was surprised, because I thought,
"Why would he be calling me?"
444
00:23:56,340 --> 00:23:58,689
Just to say, "Hey, it was fun
the other day," or something?
445
00:23:58,690 --> 00:24:00,089
It didn't seem to make sense.
446
00:24:00,090 --> 00:24:02,759
He was good with words
from his advertisements.
447
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,837
I asked him if he could write lyrics,
he said, "Sure I can write lyrics."
448
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,800
And he said, "Well, I'm just
sitting around at the piano."
449
00:24:08,801 --> 00:24:12,089
"I thought maybe you might
wanna do some stuff together."
450
00:24:12,090 --> 00:24:15,547
"The boys are in Japan."
451
00:24:15,548 --> 00:24:18,508
And he said, "I don't really
have anybody to write with."
452
00:24:18,509 --> 00:24:21,337
So he came to my house, and we
started writing Pet Sounds.
453
00:24:21,340 --> 00:24:24,547
♪ Wouldn't it be nice
if we were older
454
00:24:24,548 --> 00:24:28,464
♪ Then we wouldn't
have to wait so long
455
00:24:28,465 --> 00:24:31,415
♪ And wouldn't it be nice
to live together
456
00:24:31,423 --> 00:24:35,763
♪ In the kind of world
where we belong
457
00:24:36,881 --> 00:24:40,714
♪ You know it's gonna make it
that much better
458
00:24:40,715 --> 00:24:46,545
♪ When we can say goodnight
and stay together ♪
459
00:24:46,548 --> 00:24:50,005
Tony Asher's
contribution is fantastic.
460
00:24:50,006 --> 00:24:52,256
He's a marvellous writer.
461
00:24:52,257 --> 00:24:55,005
Well, I knew he was great.
462
00:24:55,006 --> 00:24:58,296
He liked the way I wrote melodies,
and I liked his lyrics.
463
00:24:58,298 --> 00:24:59,967
We wrote during the day.
464
00:24:59,968 --> 00:25:04,505
And he would come to my house, and
he'd have his paper and his pen.
465
00:25:04,507 --> 00:25:06,087
I would write a little bit,
466
00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:07,880
then he wrote a little lyrics.
467
00:25:07,881 --> 00:25:12,421
He must have just felt it was
someone who would listen to him,
468
00:25:12,423 --> 00:25:16,589
and who could help
channel him through lyrics.
469
00:25:16,590 --> 00:25:22,547
They're all great, and I really
like the work that Tony Asher did.
470
00:25:22,548 --> 00:25:26,128
The fact that Brian just meets
a guy who's in advertising,
471
00:25:26,131 --> 00:25:28,339
and somehow ends up writing
472
00:25:28,340 --> 00:25:34,256
some of the most important lyrics of
all time with this man, Tony Asher,
473
00:25:34,257 --> 00:25:36,007
that are timeless.
It's just, uh...
474
00:25:36,008 --> 00:25:37,166
It's kind of inexplicable.
475
00:25:37,173 --> 00:25:40,673
Well, he had the knack
for making people feel good.
476
00:25:40,674 --> 00:25:45,547
I thought that was a
nice, young idea for a song
477
00:25:45,548 --> 00:25:48,628
which is, you know, "Wouldn't
it be nice if we were older?"
478
00:25:48,632 --> 00:25:51,798
When I was 14 and I
came into the business,
479
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:55,258
well, I was 14 and whatever I'd have
done, I thought I was so grown-up.
480
00:25:55,259 --> 00:25:57,547
We were. The girls anyway.
The fellas...
481
00:25:58,465 --> 00:26:01,125
But we thought we
were so grown-up.
482
00:26:01,131 --> 00:26:03,009
We wanted to be older,
and be able
483
00:26:03,010 --> 00:26:04,546
to be free to do
this and to do that.
484
00:26:04,548 --> 00:26:07,047
Not have our parents
tell us "No, you can't."
485
00:26:07,048 --> 00:26:08,668
Asher was clever in that way,
486
00:26:08,674 --> 00:26:10,974
in the way he led
an ambiguity to his lyrics,
487
00:26:10,975 --> 00:26:16,085
which had, essentially, a very
simple message taken at face value.
488
00:26:16,090 --> 00:26:17,550
If you go into it, you'll find
489
00:26:17,551 --> 00:26:20,418
there's a more
spiritual side to it,
490
00:26:20,423 --> 00:26:25,506
and a more complex
message coming across.
491
00:26:25,507 --> 00:26:29,047
The album is the sound of him
trying to sort of explore
492
00:26:30,215 --> 00:26:32,085
becoming an adult.
493
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:36,670
Because I think he may have had
a sort of delayed go at that.
494
00:26:36,674 --> 00:26:37,674
Great song.
495
00:26:42,423 --> 00:26:44,013
Here's the explosion.
496
00:26:46,632 --> 00:26:49,022
You're trying to get Hal to play
the intro the way you want.
497
00:26:49,023 --> 00:26:50,673
Right.
498
00:26:50,674 --> 00:26:52,634
Hal, here's how I want to do it.
499
00:26:52,635 --> 00:26:53,922
It's like this.
500
00:26:55,923 --> 00:26:57,631
- Three, four...
- Boom...
501
00:26:57,632 --> 00:26:59,681
I wanted Hal to hit the drums
as hard as he could,
502
00:26:59,682 --> 00:27:01,022
so we can get an echo.
503
00:27:09,298 --> 00:27:12,628
♪ Wouldn't it be nice
if we were older
504
00:27:12,632 --> 00:27:15,756
♪ Then we wouldn't
have to wait so long
505
00:27:15,757 --> 00:27:20,417
♪ And wouldn't it be nice
to live together
506
00:27:20,423 --> 00:27:22,723
♪ In the kind of world
where we belong
507
00:27:24,632 --> 00:27:26,172
Everybody was doing that.
508
00:27:26,173 --> 00:27:29,256
It was double voicing,
double tracking.
509
00:27:29,257 --> 00:27:31,964
So we wanted to do
like everybody else.
510
00:27:31,965 --> 00:27:34,585
♪ ...and stay together
511
00:27:35,423 --> 00:27:37,547
♪ Wouldn't it be nice...
512
00:27:37,548 --> 00:27:39,028
The thing I've loved
about this track
513
00:27:39,032 --> 00:27:42,130
is that when you
take the leads out...
514
00:27:42,131 --> 00:27:44,300
- Right.
- And just play the backgrounds,
515
00:27:44,301 --> 00:27:46,297
- and the backing track, if you will.
- Right.
516
00:27:46,298 --> 00:27:48,297
It's such an amazing...
517
00:27:50,507 --> 00:27:51,947
Where are the voices?
The background?
518
00:27:54,674 --> 00:27:56,089
There they are.
519
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:57,839
The Beach Boys.
520
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,839
♪ Wouldn't it be nice
if we could wake up
521
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,464
♪ In the morning
when the day is new
522
00:28:05,465 --> 00:28:09,665
♪ And after having
spent the day together
523
00:28:09,674 --> 00:28:13,010
♪ Hold each other close
the whole night through ♪
524
00:28:13,011 --> 00:28:14,126
Yeah.
525
00:28:15,465 --> 00:28:17,255
Wouldn't It Be Nice,
total stress.
526
00:28:17,257 --> 00:28:18,717
Brings back good memories.
527
00:28:18,718 --> 00:28:22,255
That was one that just
was never quite right.
528
00:28:23,507 --> 00:28:27,005
And just... In his mind,
he just didn't hear it.
529
00:28:27,006 --> 00:28:28,036
He wasn't hearing it.
530
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,500
"Guys, you can do
better than that."
531
00:28:29,501 --> 00:28:34,047
Brian was between a hipster
532
00:28:34,048 --> 00:28:40,168
and one of your famous British
generals that was tough.
533
00:28:40,173 --> 00:28:43,093
He was tough. He demanded
everything from everybody.
534
00:28:43,094 --> 00:28:48,089
Wouldn't It Be Nice is upbeat and fabulous.
It's a great arrangement.
535
00:28:48,090 --> 00:28:54,798
We worked many hours perfecting
the harmonies on that one.
536
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:57,799
That was a labour of love,
that's for sure.
537
00:28:58,674 --> 00:29:00,839
Do you remember why you decided
538
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,798
to put Mike back in the bridge
on Wouldn't It Be Nice?
539
00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:06,379
Yeah, because I wanted him to
take part in that song. - Right.
540
00:29:06,382 --> 00:29:10,672
♪ Maybe if we think and wish and
hope and pray it might come true
541
00:29:14,881 --> 00:29:20,506
♪ Baby, then there wouldn't be
a single thing we couldn't do
542
00:29:20,507 --> 00:29:24,417
♪ We could be married
543
00:29:24,423 --> 00:29:26,093
♪ And then we'd be happy... ♪
544
00:29:26,094 --> 00:29:29,339
I was stunned sometimes
545
00:29:29,340 --> 00:29:35,047
by how much he had going on in his
head that I never dreamed was there
546
00:29:35,048 --> 00:29:38,088
because... You can't hear
it, until you can hear it.
547
00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:41,380
I wanted to record Wouldn't
It Be Nice at Gold Star
548
00:29:41,382 --> 00:29:44,760
because that has a good echo
chamber, and I like the echo.
549
00:29:44,761 --> 00:29:47,297
Be My Baby, Brian has
probably listened to that
550
00:29:47,298 --> 00:29:49,418
more than he's
listened to any other song
551
00:29:49,423 --> 00:29:51,756
or songs combined.
552
00:29:51,757 --> 00:29:55,587
He would play it repeatedly,
incessantly.
553
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:59,170
He was mesmerized by Be
My Baby, by The Ronettes,
554
00:29:59,173 --> 00:30:01,172
but produced by Phil Spector.
555
00:30:01,173 --> 00:30:02,263
And then, the bassline...
556
00:30:06,632 --> 00:30:10,132
It had a great bassline and a great
melody and a great singer, Ronnie.
557
00:30:10,133 --> 00:30:14,589
- ♪ So won't you, please?
- ♪ Be my, be my baby
558
00:30:14,590 --> 00:30:18,297
- ♪ Be my little baby.
- ♪ My one and only baby
559
00:30:18,298 --> 00:30:20,838
- ♪ Say you'll be my darlin'
- ♪ Be my, be my baby
560
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,464
- ♪ Be my baby now.
- ♪ My one and only baby
561
00:30:24,465 --> 00:30:27,125
♪ Whoa, oh, oh, oh
562
00:30:27,131 --> 00:30:28,971
Phil had a huge impact on him.
563
00:30:28,972 --> 00:30:34,964
Brian loved that Wall of Sound
that Phil Spector had.
564
00:30:34,965 --> 00:30:38,005
He loved the records
that Phil Spector made,
565
00:30:38,006 --> 00:30:41,506
and Phil was a genius, too. He was
making hit after hit after hit.
566
00:30:41,507 --> 00:30:44,377
♪ Be my, be my baby
567
00:30:44,382 --> 00:30:49,464
- ♪ Be my little baby.
- ♪ My one and only baby ♪
568
00:30:49,465 --> 00:30:52,214
Phil Spector got word about us.
569
00:30:52,215 --> 00:30:57,214
And Phil came, we started
working at Gold Star for Phil.
570
00:30:57,215 --> 00:31:01,125
Almost everything we touched with
Phil Spector became giant hits.
571
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,506
Big hits.
572
00:31:03,507 --> 00:31:05,147
And he was calling this
the Wall of Sound.
573
00:31:06,090 --> 00:31:09,506
There would be four
or five guitar players,
574
00:31:09,507 --> 00:31:12,297
three or four piano players,
always one drummer,
575
00:31:14,173 --> 00:31:17,053
two bass players, he liked to
use an upright bass player
576
00:31:17,054 --> 00:31:18,878
with a Fender bass player.
577
00:31:18,881 --> 00:31:21,381
And then he would have
a percussion section.
578
00:31:21,382 --> 00:31:25,591
And that was it, we were all in one
room, but it made a wonderful sound.
579
00:31:25,592 --> 00:31:27,630
And Brian fell
in love with that sound.
580
00:31:27,632 --> 00:31:32,172
He wanted the same enthusiasm.
581
00:31:33,215 --> 00:31:35,214
He wanted the same musicians.
582
00:31:35,215 --> 00:31:38,714
There were four or five of us
who were always with Brian.
583
00:31:38,715 --> 00:31:41,375
The Wall of Sound,
you have to give
584
00:31:41,382 --> 00:31:43,591
Phil Spector
credit for building it.
585
00:31:43,592 --> 00:31:45,420
But I think
the wall that Brian built
586
00:31:45,423 --> 00:31:49,214
was more textured
and much more subtle.
587
00:31:49,215 --> 00:31:52,125
There's just sort of a
musicality to Brian's work
588
00:31:52,131 --> 00:31:53,931
that goes beyond
what Spector ever dreamed of.
589
00:32:05,923 --> 00:32:11,422
♪ I came along
when he broke your heart
590
00:32:11,423 --> 00:32:13,880
♪ That's when you needed someone
591
00:32:13,881 --> 00:32:16,297
♪ To help forget about him
592
00:32:16,298 --> 00:32:19,838
Well, I wanted to mix up
a love song with a happy song.
593
00:32:20,423 --> 00:32:22,256
Put the two together.
594
00:32:22,257 --> 00:32:25,256
It's too easy to give all the
credit to Brian and Tony Asher.
595
00:32:25,257 --> 00:32:28,377
I'm Waiting For The Day is
great, that's not Tony Asher,
596
00:32:28,382 --> 00:32:31,214
that's an example of Mike
having real skill as a writer.
597
00:32:31,215 --> 00:32:32,455
We were dealing with emotions.
598
00:32:32,457 --> 00:32:35,337
I'm Waiting For The Day
is a beautiful way
599
00:32:35,340 --> 00:32:39,259
of saying that you can find
something special in someone,
600
00:32:39,260 --> 00:32:43,047
and they may not be ready at
that moment in time to engage.
601
00:32:43,048 --> 00:32:47,464
But you find that
they're worth waiting for.
602
00:32:47,465 --> 00:32:49,464
♪ I kissed your lips
603
00:32:49,465 --> 00:32:52,464
♪ When your face looked sad
604
00:32:52,465 --> 00:32:55,045
♪ It made me think about him
605
00:32:55,048 --> 00:32:58,714
♪ And that you
still loved him so
606
00:32:58,715 --> 00:32:59,964
Brian is such an artist,
607
00:32:59,965 --> 00:33:03,045
that he allowed
the genius of these players
608
00:33:03,048 --> 00:33:05,297
to also come into the equation.
609
00:33:05,298 --> 00:33:08,338
No one appreciated these great
players more than Brian.
610
00:33:08,340 --> 00:33:12,798
This was the very beginnings
of rock and roll, remember.
611
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:16,629
Many musicians refused
to play rock and roll music.
612
00:33:16,632 --> 00:33:20,422
They said it's junk, it's
garbage, it's rotten, it's dirty.
613
00:33:20,423 --> 00:33:24,303
Because they were always in suits and
ties, very straight, no smoking.
614
00:33:25,173 --> 00:33:28,673
Who knew that we
were gonna move in
615
00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:29,974
and take over
this kind of thing?
616
00:33:29,975 --> 00:33:32,130
And then
the guys that were doing
617
00:33:32,131 --> 00:33:35,130
all the movie calls,
the film calls, said,
618
00:33:35,131 --> 00:33:36,880
"Those guys are gonna
wreck the business."
619
00:33:36,881 --> 00:33:40,671
The tracking was fun,
I think, for him.
620
00:33:40,674 --> 00:33:44,047
Because he got to hang
with The Wrecking Crew,
621
00:33:44,048 --> 00:33:47,168
and just experiment to heck, and
spend as much money as he wanted.
622
00:33:47,173 --> 00:33:50,798
You know, he was like a kid
in a candy shop.
623
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:54,629
These players
could play anything.
624
00:33:54,632 --> 00:33:58,047
And Brian just had this
baby symphony pool
625
00:33:58,048 --> 00:34:01,468
of amazing
musicians to work with.
626
00:34:03,465 --> 00:34:09,835
♪ I'm waiting for the day
when you can love again ♪
627
00:34:17,757 --> 00:34:22,797
It was extremely unusual to see a
female musician working in the studios.
628
00:34:22,799 --> 00:34:24,967
Carol Kaye was a stand-out woman
629
00:34:24,968 --> 00:34:27,214
in her own right
in that capacity.
630
00:34:27,215 --> 00:34:29,314
She was the best, she was
better than any men around.
631
00:34:29,315 --> 00:34:30,405
So why not use the best?
632
00:34:33,799 --> 00:34:36,629
I always loved
that walking line.
633
00:34:37,881 --> 00:34:39,221
In fact, go like this...
634
00:34:49,257 --> 00:34:54,587
Carol Kaye's bass sound
is a really subtle undertone
635
00:34:54,590 --> 00:34:56,798
to a lot of Pet Sounds.
636
00:34:56,799 --> 00:34:59,589
But it's there like an anchor, it's
there in I'm Waiting For The Day.
637
00:34:59,590 --> 00:35:05,089
Quite driving guitar and drums,
like really pushing the song along,
638
00:35:05,090 --> 00:35:08,970
and then you've got her cool bass
notes in there just anchoring it,
639
00:35:08,971 --> 00:35:11,665
you know, keeping it grounded.
640
00:35:11,674 --> 00:35:14,424
Well, she was very creative and
she played right on the beat.
641
00:35:14,425 --> 00:35:17,223
She wouldn't like flub up, she
would play right on the beat.
642
00:35:19,507 --> 00:35:23,917
When we used to record in those
days, we made decisions.
643
00:35:23,923 --> 00:35:27,714
Nothing was left to later because
we only had three to four tracks.
644
00:35:27,715 --> 00:35:29,595
If you were putting the rhythm
all on one track,
645
00:35:29,598 --> 00:35:33,088
you got your sounds,
you've put your delays in,
646
00:35:33,090 --> 00:35:34,718
you did your echo,
you did it live,
647
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,125
and that's the sound I hear in my head,
that's what I want, let's record it.
648
00:35:38,131 --> 00:35:42,256
♪ It starts with
just a little glance now
649
00:35:42,257 --> 00:35:46,837
♪ Right away you're thinkin'
'bout romance now
650
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,880
♪ You know you
ought to take it slower
651
00:35:50,881 --> 00:35:53,471
♪ But you just can't wait
to get to know her
652
00:35:53,472 --> 00:35:58,715
♪ A brand new love affair
is such a beautiful thing
653
00:36:01,674 --> 00:36:06,964
♪ But if you're not careful think
about the pain it can bring
654
00:36:06,965 --> 00:36:10,214
It's very much the
album of someone in their 20s,
655
00:36:10,215 --> 00:36:14,005
that youthful
exploration of love.
656
00:36:14,006 --> 00:36:16,166
And there's
existential angst in there.
657
00:36:16,173 --> 00:36:22,172
I was uh... Experiencing,
you know, love,
658
00:36:22,173 --> 00:36:27,214
and having those kinds of... I
mean, it was that time in my life.
659
00:36:27,215 --> 00:36:31,335
The quest of the mid-'60s
was to define what love is.
660
00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:34,839
Uh, that's what the
counterculture was all about.
661
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,464
It feels genuine to me
when I listen to that stuff.
662
00:36:38,465 --> 00:36:42,755
♪ Right now you think
that she's perfection
663
00:36:42,757 --> 00:36:46,506
♪ This time is
really an exception
664
00:36:46,507 --> 00:36:50,587
♪ Well, you know
I hate to be a downer
665
00:36:50,590 --> 00:36:53,260
♪ But I'm the guy she left
before you found her ♪
666
00:36:53,261 --> 00:36:57,587
We experimented with
the musicians a lot, you know.
667
00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:59,714
It was all experimentation,
668
00:36:59,715 --> 00:37:04,964
and went on and on for about two
months to get the album recorded.
669
00:37:04,965 --> 00:37:07,464
He had different relationships
with different people,
670
00:37:07,465 --> 00:37:09,545
this from the best I can tell.
671
00:37:09,548 --> 00:37:12,378
And that's why he would go
from studio to studio
672
00:37:12,382 --> 00:37:15,882
searching out a particular
feeling that he was looking for.
673
00:37:15,883 --> 00:37:18,047
And that was a real departure
674
00:37:18,048 --> 00:37:20,528
because all the other Capitol
artists had to record at Capitol,
675
00:37:20,531 --> 00:37:22,171
or it was a slap in
the face of Capitol.
676
00:37:22,173 --> 00:37:24,723
But we let him record
where he wanted to record.
677
00:37:24,724 --> 00:37:27,005
He was bringing
in great records.
678
00:37:27,006 --> 00:37:29,506
Brian never came in before 2:00.
679
00:37:29,507 --> 00:37:34,047
It was almost always at Western
Studios, Studio Three,
680
00:37:34,048 --> 00:37:37,628
which was a small studio.
681
00:37:37,632 --> 00:37:39,381
And he'd say,
"I have a new song."
682
00:37:39,382 --> 00:37:42,922
"I'm writing a new song
and I wanna record it."
683
00:37:42,923 --> 00:37:45,880
You would start out...
684
00:37:45,881 --> 00:37:49,214
He basically knew
where it was gonna go.
685
00:37:49,215 --> 00:37:52,255
A lot of times we didn't know,
and you gotta remember
686
00:37:52,257 --> 00:37:54,687
that we were looking at songs
that didn't have titles on it.
687
00:37:54,690 --> 00:37:56,630
It was just the chord sheets,
688
00:37:56,632 --> 00:38:00,260
or maybe a few sketched out
lines that Brian would write.
689
00:38:00,261 --> 00:38:03,756
I would hand them all their
manuscript papers that I wrote.
690
00:38:03,757 --> 00:38:05,017
Then I'd take each guy and say,
691
00:38:05,023 --> 00:38:07,719
"Let me hear the bass player
play it for a minute."
692
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:11,795
And we'd get them. Then I'd do the
guitar players and the pianos,
693
00:38:11,799 --> 00:38:13,589
then the horns.
694
00:38:13,590 --> 00:38:16,964
I talked to them
individually and collectively.
695
00:38:16,965 --> 00:38:19,045
They were all good,
good for it, for me.
696
00:38:19,048 --> 00:38:23,588
He would sing parts to the
guys and they would write it down.
697
00:38:23,590 --> 00:38:26,630
He would lay out the rhythm
the way that he wanted it,
698
00:38:26,632 --> 00:38:30,760
and the basslines. I mean, he
would work the chart in the room
699
00:38:30,761 --> 00:38:33,047
before he went
into the control room.
700
00:38:33,048 --> 00:38:35,378
Because he had it up here.
701
00:38:35,382 --> 00:38:38,182
They took my direction. I'd tell them
what to play, and they'd play it.
702
00:38:40,048 --> 00:38:42,468
That's organ,
tack piano together.
703
00:38:45,090 --> 00:38:46,880
There were
always three pianists.
704
00:38:48,382 --> 00:38:52,256
And there was a special tuning
that we arrived at.
705
00:38:52,257 --> 00:38:56,297
So I worked with the piano
tuner to try different things,
706
00:38:56,298 --> 00:38:59,588
and I did put tacks
on the head of each...
707
00:38:59,590 --> 00:39:00,670
- Yeah.
- Each hammer.
708
00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:05,880
And Brian immediately
was attracted to it,
709
00:39:05,881 --> 00:39:08,261
and it became kind
of a signature sound.
710
00:39:15,632 --> 00:39:19,964
♪ ... Love is here today
711
00:39:19,965 --> 00:39:23,214
♪ And it's gone tomorrow
712
00:39:23,215 --> 00:39:28,125
♪ It's here and gone so fast ♪
713
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,506
They knew he was
a special guy, musically.
714
00:39:36,507 --> 00:39:41,047
And sometimes they'd help him
write something down in a part,
715
00:39:41,048 --> 00:39:44,378
but it was all up here,
in his head,
716
00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:47,422
and he somehow communicated it
to all the players.
717
00:39:47,423 --> 00:39:49,547
And sometimes,
"Brian, we can't do that."
718
00:39:49,548 --> 00:39:52,078
And then they'd play it, I'd get,
"That's pretty good, Brian."
719
00:39:52,081 --> 00:39:53,081
It was so cool.
720
00:39:53,082 --> 00:39:55,172
I would try to
develop the arrangement
721
00:39:55,173 --> 00:39:56,969
to fit the song, the melody.
722
00:39:56,970 --> 00:39:58,545
I would write the melody,
723
00:39:58,548 --> 00:40:01,418
then I would try to
make the arrangements
724
00:40:01,423 --> 00:40:03,383
kind of like
surround the melody.
725
00:40:03,384 --> 00:40:06,214
And we started
getting reports about it.
726
00:40:06,215 --> 00:40:09,145
"Brian's doing something
really special, guys. He really is."
727
00:40:09,148 --> 00:40:11,878
But we were touring Japan.
728
00:40:11,881 --> 00:40:14,631
As soon as we got back,
we began to listen to the material.
729
00:40:14,732 --> 00:40:16,760
He couldn't wait for us
to get down to the studio.
730
00:40:16,861 --> 00:40:19,157
He didn't care about jetlag
or any of that stuff.
731
00:40:19,965 --> 00:40:21,665
Didn't mean anything to him.
732
00:40:21,674 --> 00:40:27,839
But it was sobering.
We had to really buckle down.
733
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,339
Now in the case of Here Today
and about half of Pet Sounds,
734
00:40:30,340 --> 00:40:34,964
Brian cut the vocals
at CBS up the street.
735
00:40:34,965 --> 00:40:36,464
I think primarily
because they had
736
00:40:36,465 --> 00:40:39,085
the only one one-inch
eight-track in town.
737
00:40:39,090 --> 00:40:41,468
I have a couple three-tracks
of backgrounds.
738
00:40:41,469 --> 00:40:44,545
♪ Right away you're
thinkin' 'bout romance now
739
00:40:50,423 --> 00:40:52,922
- They're probably doubled or tripled.
- Doubled, yeah.
740
00:40:52,923 --> 00:40:55,547
I think he's a visionary.
741
00:40:55,548 --> 00:40:58,338
He's a musical visionary,
as well as a social...
742
00:40:58,340 --> 00:41:01,880
In a social context
as well, a visionary.
743
00:41:02,423 --> 00:41:04,381
Uh...
744
00:41:04,382 --> 00:41:06,512
He sees things I don't
think the rest of us see.
745
00:41:06,513 --> 00:41:10,007
And hears things, certainly,
that we don't hear.
746
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,839
So, he's one of those special...
747
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,798
He's got a special receiver
going on up there in his brain.
748
00:41:17,799 --> 00:41:24,214
Brian truly is the most gifted
music person that I've ever met.
749
00:41:24,215 --> 00:41:26,964
I hate it when they call
him genius, because...
750
00:41:26,965 --> 00:41:29,125
And they're right,
but don't do that.
751
00:41:29,131 --> 00:41:31,230
That's too big of a load
to carry on your shoulders,
752
00:41:31,231 --> 00:41:32,231
but he's so gifted.
753
00:41:33,131 --> 00:41:35,921
He didn't realise his talent.
754
00:41:37,465 --> 00:41:40,125
I still think he doesn't.
755
00:41:40,131 --> 00:41:41,841
One of the magical
things about Brian
756
00:41:41,842 --> 00:41:46,339
is he was able to describe, without
having it on the written page,
757
00:41:46,340 --> 00:41:49,170
exactly the sound that he heard.
758
00:41:49,173 --> 00:41:50,513
Boy, then you'd hear them
759
00:41:50,514 --> 00:41:56,127
as they were transformed,
really, in that process.
760
00:41:56,131 --> 00:41:58,880
It was... It was staggering.
761
00:41:58,881 --> 00:42:00,921
Then when he
heard it, that was it,
762
00:42:00,923 --> 00:42:02,969
and that was
The Beach Boys sound.
763
00:42:02,970 --> 00:42:06,045
I don't know what your
definition of genius is,
764
00:42:06,048 --> 00:42:07,468
but he certainly might be.
765
00:42:07,469 --> 00:42:10,045
I think genius
just means clever.
766
00:42:10,048 --> 00:42:12,798
I don't think it
has any real meaning.
767
00:42:12,799 --> 00:42:16,258
It just means you're good at
something, genius. Like, you know...
768
00:42:16,259 --> 00:42:18,047
Like Albert Einstein
was a genius.
769
00:42:18,048 --> 00:42:22,714
♪ Hang on to your ego
770
00:42:22,715 --> 00:42:27,545
♪ Hang on, but I know that
you're gonna lose the fight
771
00:42:29,465 --> 00:42:31,464
♪ They come on
like they're peaceful
772
00:42:31,465 --> 00:42:34,915
♪ But inside they're so uptight
773
00:42:37,340 --> 00:42:40,170
♪ They trip through the day
774
00:42:40,173 --> 00:42:41,693
♪ And waste all
their thoughts at night
775
00:42:46,257 --> 00:42:49,417
♪ Now how can I say it
776
00:42:51,215 --> 00:42:53,464
♪ And how can I come on
777
00:42:53,465 --> 00:42:56,165
♪ When I know I'm guilty?
778
00:42:57,131 --> 00:43:00,798
There was a lot of LSD around.
779
00:43:00,799 --> 00:43:05,839
Brian heard that sometimes
the acid gives you certain colours
780
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,798
that you didn't know existed,
et cetera, et cetera.
781
00:43:09,799 --> 00:43:13,299
I think he was experimenting
a little bit then, too.
782
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:17,547
He told us that he was doing acid
during California Girls. "Oh!"
783
00:43:17,548 --> 00:43:20,468
I was very sceptical
about doing any of that stuff,
784
00:43:21,090 --> 00:43:23,089
and looked askance at
785
00:43:23,090 --> 00:43:27,260
anything having to do with that
kind of drug culture influence.
786
00:43:27,261 --> 00:43:32,417
♪ Hang on to your ego
787
00:43:32,423 --> 00:43:37,423
♪ Hang on, but I know that
you're gonna lose the fight ♪
788
00:43:38,590 --> 00:43:42,670
Mike disagreed on
Hang On To Your Ego,
789
00:43:42,674 --> 00:43:45,922
which allegedly is,
if you take LSD,
790
00:43:45,923 --> 00:43:48,214
you have to hang on to your ego.
791
00:43:48,215 --> 00:43:51,255
He didn't really
think that fit the image
792
00:43:51,257 --> 00:43:53,627
of The Beach Boys,
to allude to that.
793
00:43:53,632 --> 00:43:59,130
To me, that was
a little too drug-influenced.
794
00:43:59,131 --> 00:44:02,591
This track has been subject to all
kinds of speculation and contention
795
00:44:02,592 --> 00:44:07,130
that this was the track
that got fought over,
796
00:44:07,131 --> 00:44:10,214
and that Mike
didn't like the lyrics.
797
00:44:10,215 --> 00:44:12,795
♪ They come on
like they're peaceful
798
00:44:12,799 --> 00:44:15,589
♪ But inside
they're so uptight ♪
799
00:44:16,923 --> 00:44:18,882
Why don't I do a Jimmy Durante?
800
00:44:18,883 --> 00:44:21,301
♪ They come on
like they're peaceful
801
00:44:21,302 --> 00:44:23,964
♪ But inside
they're so uptight ♪
802
00:44:23,965 --> 00:44:25,464
Okay, I'm sorry.
803
00:44:25,465 --> 00:44:28,505
Do a take for our roll-ins.
I'd love a take like that
804
00:44:28,507 --> 00:44:30,547
- as soon as we're done, okay?
- Check.
805
00:44:30,548 --> 00:44:33,878
All I was saying is
I would make my feelings known
806
00:44:33,881 --> 00:44:39,671
if I felt it was going too far out on
a limb, lyrically or conceptually,
807
00:44:39,674 --> 00:44:44,339
having some relationship to some
kind of drugs and stuff like that.
808
00:44:44,340 --> 00:44:49,008
I didn't know what an ego was at the
time, but I learned very quickly.
809
00:44:49,009 --> 00:44:52,586
So I came up with an alternative lyric
called I Know There's An Answer.
810
00:44:52,590 --> 00:44:55,510
♪ I know there's an answer
811
00:44:56,632 --> 00:45:01,632
♪ I know now but I have
to find it by myself ♪
812
00:45:14,173 --> 00:45:16,506
But the two exist.
813
00:45:16,507 --> 00:45:20,837
And I Know There's An Answer is what
came out on the Pet Sounds issue.
814
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:26,756
It is my great suspicion that the
experimentation that had to happen
815
00:45:26,757 --> 00:45:29,417
for Brian to become the
great artist that he was
816
00:45:29,423 --> 00:45:31,551
had nothing to
do with chemicals.
817
00:45:31,552 --> 00:45:34,878
If drugs made you a genius, we'd
have a lot more Pet Sounds.
818
00:45:34,881 --> 00:45:37,714
And we do not.
819
00:45:37,715 --> 00:45:40,875
He didn't necessarily explain
what it was he was trying to do.
820
00:45:40,881 --> 00:45:44,464
But he acknowledged
that this was different stuff.
821
00:45:44,465 --> 00:45:47,214
He said, "I don't wanna keep doing
the same stuff over and over."
822
00:45:47,215 --> 00:45:49,625
If you went back and looked at
all of the Beach Boys stuff
823
00:45:49,632 --> 00:45:52,547
that was created prior to that,
824
00:45:52,548 --> 00:45:53,718
there was a sameness to it.
825
00:45:53,723 --> 00:45:56,089
And it was good, very good
826
00:45:56,090 --> 00:45:59,260
and it wasn't like anybody was
getting tired of it, really.
827
00:45:59,261 --> 00:46:00,917
I don't think.
828
00:46:00,923 --> 00:46:02,839
But, you know...
829
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,670
Mike said,
"Don't fuck with the formula."
830
00:46:05,674 --> 00:46:09,724
He said, "Why are we trying to...
We've got this great thing"
831
00:46:09,725 --> 00:46:14,295
"and until somebody can show
me that it's not working,"
832
00:46:14,298 --> 00:46:17,756
"why are we fumbling around
trying to find something else?"
833
00:46:17,757 --> 00:46:19,117
Well,
that's not a crazy question.
834
00:46:19,123 --> 00:46:22,364
I mean, that's
a reasonable question to ask.
835
00:46:22,465 --> 00:46:25,255
But, um... But Brian saw it
in a whole different way,
836
00:46:25,257 --> 00:46:28,756
which was, "God, I've done that.
It's boring, I'm tired of it."
837
00:46:28,757 --> 00:46:31,067
That was something that would
never have occurred to Mike.
838
00:46:31,074 --> 00:46:33,839
He said, "Don't
mess with the formula."
839
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,880
I said, "I want to advance
to a better music place."
840
00:46:37,881 --> 00:46:40,801
We wouldn't have had as good an
album if I didn't. You know?
841
00:46:40,802 --> 00:46:47,714
Part of that, I think, led to me
getting a bad rap
842
00:46:47,715 --> 00:46:51,665
for, quote-unquote,
not liking Pet Sounds
843
00:46:51,674 --> 00:46:54,464
or something,
which is absolute...
844
00:46:54,465 --> 00:46:58,295
You know,
it's just absolute falsehood.
845
00:46:58,298 --> 00:47:01,964
'Cause not only did I name
the album "Pet Sounds,"
846
00:47:01,965 --> 00:47:05,125
and went with Brian to present
it to Capitol Records,
847
00:47:05,131 --> 00:47:09,631
but I sang on every single
song that was sung on.
848
00:47:09,632 --> 00:47:12,798
I was very satisfied.
Tony was, too.
849
00:47:12,799 --> 00:47:16,964
We both were. We both thought we
really achieved a good album.
850
00:47:16,965 --> 00:47:19,714
Brian and I went off to Capitol
Records to play it for Karl Engemann
851
00:47:19,715 --> 00:47:23,005
who was the A&R man
for Capitol Records.
852
00:47:23,006 --> 00:47:26,126
Capitol Records
loved The Beach Boys.
853
00:47:26,131 --> 00:47:28,341
I mean, they didn't
criticise them in any way,
854
00:47:28,342 --> 00:47:31,510
except they thought that maybe going
in the direction of Pet Sounds
855
00:47:31,511 --> 00:47:34,837
wasn't something that was...
856
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,714
It wasn't gonna be as wonderful
as the hot rod records,
857
00:47:38,715 --> 00:47:41,335
the surfing records,
those kinds of things.
858
00:47:41,340 --> 00:47:44,360
I couldn't understand why they didn't
like it. I said, "This is good music."
859
00:47:44,361 --> 00:47:46,667
They said, "It's not
commercial music."
860
00:47:46,674 --> 00:47:48,724
Brian thought it
would never be released
861
00:47:48,725 --> 00:47:51,505
because Capitol
wanted that surf thing.
862
00:47:51,507 --> 00:47:55,297
That's what was selling.
863
00:47:55,298 --> 00:47:58,418
So they didn't release it and a
little bit later, a few weeks later,
864
00:47:58,423 --> 00:48:00,383
they said,
"Okay, we'll release it."
865
00:48:00,384 --> 00:48:04,381
So they released it on the market
and it didn't sell very good.
866
00:48:04,382 --> 00:48:08,631
It hadn't gone the same height on the
charts as some of the prior records.
867
00:48:08,632 --> 00:48:12,381
So Capitol, right away,
in order to make quota,
868
00:48:12,382 --> 00:48:14,412
they hurried and put out a
Best Of The Beach Boys.
869
00:48:14,413 --> 00:48:17,714
We were in competition
with our history.
870
00:48:17,715 --> 00:48:20,545
The faith of the label
was right there, everybody.
871
00:48:20,548 --> 00:48:22,088
"We have Pet Sounds out."
872
00:48:22,090 --> 00:48:23,718
"By the way, we're going to put
out."
873
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,665
"Best Of The Beach
Boys volume one."
874
00:48:25,674 --> 00:48:27,172
Can you believe that?
875
00:48:27,173 --> 00:48:28,880
It's just so asinine.
876
00:48:28,881 --> 00:48:32,050
It didn't do as well
as some of the other albums
877
00:48:32,051 --> 00:48:34,418
and it might have if
there had been more
878
00:48:34,423 --> 00:48:35,882
of a spirit within
the company that.
879
00:48:35,883 --> 00:48:37,921
"This is great.
We'll push this thing"
880
00:48:37,923 --> 00:48:39,882
"we'll take it
where it should be."
881
00:48:39,883 --> 00:48:41,671
It's not what we were expecting.
882
00:48:41,674 --> 00:48:43,592
We're actually
grateful for that.
883
00:48:43,593 --> 00:48:46,300
My God, why do you want
only what people expect?
884
00:48:46,301 --> 00:48:49,506
How sad that is.
885
00:48:49,507 --> 00:48:51,087
They just didn't understand it.
886
00:48:51,090 --> 00:48:53,005
The direction,
887
00:48:53,006 --> 00:48:55,005
they didn't know
what to do with it.
888
00:48:55,006 --> 00:48:56,796
They're a marketing firm.
889
00:48:56,799 --> 00:48:59,547
How do you market The
Beach Boys with Pet Sounds?
890
00:48:59,548 --> 00:49:01,508
"Well, we'll send you down
to the San Diego Zoo"
891
00:49:01,509 --> 00:49:04,506
"we'll photograph you
with a bunch of damn goats."
892
00:49:04,507 --> 00:49:06,877
I mean, what's that all about?
893
00:49:06,881 --> 00:49:09,421
That was the biggest miscarriage
of justice of all.
894
00:49:59,757 --> 00:50:02,464
After the album was mixed,
895
00:50:02,465 --> 00:50:04,255
Bruce was off to England.
896
00:50:04,257 --> 00:50:07,837
I took two copies
of Pet Sounds with me.
897
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,506
With the sole intention
of promoting the album
898
00:50:11,507 --> 00:50:13,967
and playing it to people
for the first time.
899
00:50:13,968 --> 00:50:18,464
Derek Taylor was our publicist
and he just set up
900
00:50:18,465 --> 00:50:20,045
about 25 interviews for me.
901
00:50:20,048 --> 00:50:23,668
I got to meet him
at the Waldorf Hotel.
902
00:50:23,674 --> 00:50:27,761
Journalists came over. I think that's
probably how I met Keith Altham.
903
00:50:27,762 --> 00:50:30,007
And one of his
people came and said,
904
00:50:30,008 --> 00:50:34,166
"Lennon and McCartney
are in your room,"
905
00:50:34,173 --> 00:50:37,714
"they want to hear the album. Can
you go up and play it to them?"
906
00:50:37,715 --> 00:50:39,765
I played them the album
and they heard it two times,
907
00:50:39,774 --> 00:50:42,005
and they were delightful.
908
00:50:42,006 --> 00:50:44,666
He played it to them
twice. They loved it.
909
00:50:44,674 --> 00:50:47,883
Paul McCartney said God Only
Knows was the perfect song.
910
00:50:47,884 --> 00:50:49,718
This will be take one.
911
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,215
Take one, God Only Knows.
912
00:50:54,090 --> 00:50:55,340
One... Two...
913
00:51:22,423 --> 00:51:25,383
Okay, could we go to
the spot where the...
914
00:51:27,423 --> 00:51:28,756
That spot.
915
00:51:28,757 --> 00:51:30,837
Well, that part was...
916
00:51:37,257 --> 00:51:38,367
And it was bothering Brian.
917
00:51:38,373 --> 00:51:41,381
And we had done it
a number of times.
918
00:51:41,382 --> 00:51:43,547
And my suggestion was,
919
00:51:43,548 --> 00:51:45,628
"Brian,
why don't we play it short?"
920
00:51:45,632 --> 00:51:47,381
He said, "What do you mean?"
921
00:51:51,131 --> 00:51:52,714
Almost pizzicato.
922
00:51:52,715 --> 00:51:54,214
Brian. Yeah.
923
00:51:54,215 --> 00:51:56,415
Why don't we
do it short? Like this.
924
00:52:05,423 --> 00:52:06,423
We'll try it.
925
00:52:08,965 --> 00:52:12,255
Yeah, I remember that.
926
00:52:12,257 --> 00:52:14,506
- Yeah.
- Don Randi kind of came up with that.
927
00:52:14,507 --> 00:52:16,964
- Right.
- To play it staccato.
928
00:52:16,965 --> 00:52:20,585
It's so musical that it's
a pleasure to play with it.
929
00:52:20,590 --> 00:52:22,839
I don't think
Brian ever realised
930
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,964
that what he was doing
was so incredibly wonderful.
931
00:52:26,965 --> 00:52:29,295
God Only Knows
makes a deep love song
932
00:52:29,298 --> 00:52:31,758
because Tony Asher had a
lot of love in his heart.
933
00:52:31,759 --> 00:52:33,256
He wrote great love lyrics.
934
00:52:33,257 --> 00:52:35,756
Match made in
heaven for those two.
935
00:52:35,757 --> 00:52:37,837
They could evolve
something like that.
936
00:52:38,465 --> 00:52:40,214
And to such perfection.
937
00:52:40,215 --> 00:52:42,875
One of the greatest
love songs of all time
938
00:52:42,881 --> 00:52:45,050
begins with "I may
not always love you."
939
00:52:45,051 --> 00:52:48,128
Which is the antithesis of what
people want in a love song.
940
00:52:48,131 --> 00:52:51,839
We held each other up
to a certain standard
941
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,670
and said, "We don't wanna do
that same old stuff."
942
00:52:54,674 --> 00:52:57,544
You know, another love song, "I love
you because..." You know, whatever.
943
00:52:57,545 --> 00:53:04,170
So that's how when I would
come up with a line
944
00:53:04,173 --> 00:53:06,839
like,
"I may not always love you,"
945
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,130
Brian might have
said at that time,
946
00:53:10,131 --> 00:53:12,130
"What?"
947
00:53:12,131 --> 00:53:14,297
But he would only
have said it once.
948
00:53:14,298 --> 00:53:16,718
If I said, "Don't worry about
it, Brian, that's a good line,"
949
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,505
he would have said, "Okay."
950
00:53:18,507 --> 00:53:21,547
And then he would have listened to it a
few times and say, "Yeah, I like it."
951
00:53:21,648 --> 00:53:23,838
I think "I may not always
love you" was the great line,
952
00:53:23,940 --> 00:53:24,990
yeah, that he wrote.
953
00:53:24,991 --> 00:53:29,439
♪ I may not always love you
954
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,880
♪ But long as there are
stars above you
955
00:53:32,881 --> 00:53:36,005
♪ You never need to doubt it
956
00:53:36,006 --> 00:53:41,296
♪ I'll make you so sure about it
957
00:53:41,298 --> 00:53:45,838
♪ God only knows
what I'd be without you
958
00:53:48,090 --> 00:53:51,380
I'm surprised Brian
didn't sing it himself.
959
00:53:51,382 --> 00:53:54,089
But he wanted Carl to have it.
960
00:53:54,090 --> 00:53:58,047
♪ Though life would still
go on, believe me
961
00:53:58,048 --> 00:54:01,047
♪ The world could
show nothing to me
962
00:54:01,048 --> 00:54:05,297
♪ So what good
would living do me
963
00:54:05,298 --> 00:54:09,298
♪ God only knows
what I'd be without you ♪
964
00:54:12,006 --> 00:54:14,046
Carl had an ethereal voice.
Beautiful.
965
00:54:14,048 --> 00:54:16,217
Brian understood
the great character
966
00:54:16,218 --> 00:54:18,375
of the voices in The Beach Boys,
967
00:54:18,382 --> 00:54:22,506
and wrote to those
characters beautifully.
968
00:54:22,507 --> 00:54:26,667
And it's not like Brian was the
best voice for all of his songs.
969
00:54:26,674 --> 00:54:30,304
I remember when I first ever heard
the record of God Only Knows.
970
00:54:30,305 --> 00:54:33,256
When that came out,
I was blown away.
971
00:54:33,257 --> 00:54:36,167
Again, the harmonies,
the intricacy
972
00:54:36,173 --> 00:54:38,631
of the arrangements,
it was wonderful.
973
00:54:38,632 --> 00:54:41,092
And to actually be asked to go
on tour with them was a thrill.
974
00:54:41,093 --> 00:54:44,010
And now come the backgrounds.
975
00:55:00,382 --> 00:55:05,012
♪ God only knows
what I'd be without you
976
00:55:06,632 --> 00:55:11,130
♪ If you should ever leave me
977
00:55:11,131 --> 00:55:15,130
♪ Though life would still
go on believe me
978
00:55:15,131 --> 00:55:18,964
♪ The world could
show nothing to me
979
00:55:18,965 --> 00:55:23,214
♪ So what good
would living do me?
980
00:55:23,215 --> 00:55:29,545
♪ God only knows
what I'd be without you
981
00:55:29,548 --> 00:55:31,508
I think they liked the lyrics.
982
00:55:31,509 --> 00:55:34,297
It's a great love song,
a great love lyric.
983
00:55:34,298 --> 00:55:37,297
They all told me they liked it.
They said, "I love this song."
984
00:55:37,298 --> 00:55:38,714
They told me that.
985
00:55:38,715 --> 00:55:39,915
There's Bruce.
986
00:55:44,298 --> 00:55:48,088
♪ God only knows
what I'd be without you ♪
987
00:55:48,090 --> 00:55:49,460
And there's
a part you didn't use.
988
00:55:49,461 --> 00:55:50,917
Right.
989
00:55:53,298 --> 00:55:54,628
I always liked it.
990
00:55:54,632 --> 00:55:56,341
- I didn't use that.
- No.
991
00:55:56,342 --> 00:55:58,509
You know,
the first time I really got
992
00:55:58,510 --> 00:56:00,217
what he was doing
was God Only Knows.
993
00:56:02,423 --> 00:56:03,973
We talked about
994
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,008
something very esoteric within...
Like a family.
995
00:56:09,009 --> 00:56:13,086
When a brother has a secret, but
allows you to know it in an art form.
996
00:56:13,090 --> 00:56:14,610
He was able to
organise his thoughts...
997
00:56:16,757 --> 00:56:20,797
To a point where they were
hypnotic but yet entertaining,
998
00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:23,506
meaningful and spiritual, too.
999
00:56:23,507 --> 00:56:25,256
For want of a better phrase,
1000
00:56:25,257 --> 00:56:27,506
it's where rock and roll becomes
a religious experience.
1001
00:56:27,507 --> 00:56:32,547
The sentiment that he has
in it towards, like,
1002
00:56:32,548 --> 00:56:35,628
God only knows how much I love
you, you know, only God knows.
1003
00:56:35,632 --> 00:56:38,589
Because it's a feeling within
myself that nobody else can know,
1004
00:56:38,590 --> 00:56:39,590
except God.
1005
00:56:40,548 --> 00:56:45,838
♪ God only knows
what I'd be without you
1006
00:56:48,423 --> 00:56:51,964
♪ God only knows
what I'd be without you ♪
1007
00:56:51,965 --> 00:56:54,375
I was so inspired
that I wrote a great album.
1008
00:56:54,382 --> 00:56:56,798
I knew people would like it,
I knew they would.
1009
00:56:56,799 --> 00:56:57,799
Half a century later,
1010
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,169
we're still reckoning
with this record because
1011
00:57:01,173 --> 00:57:05,422
Brian went as deep
as pop music can go.
1012
00:57:05,423 --> 00:57:08,089
It put the standards up.
1013
00:57:08,090 --> 00:57:10,089
It said,
"This is how good it can be."
1014
00:57:10,090 --> 00:57:12,549
"You better go away
and think about it,."
1015
00:57:12,550 --> 00:57:16,007
"Mr Lennon and McCartney, Mr
Jagger and Richards, Mr Townshend."
1016
00:57:16,008 --> 00:57:19,005
"You better go away and think
about what you're doing next"
1017
00:57:19,006 --> 00:57:21,506
"because it could be this good."
1018
00:57:21,507 --> 00:57:24,417
It was something
that hadn't been done before
1019
00:57:24,423 --> 00:57:27,422
and everything
else came after that.
1020
00:57:27,423 --> 00:57:30,381
It took 20 years
for it to go platinum.
1021
00:57:30,382 --> 00:57:33,256
It was ridiculous
how long it took.
1022
00:57:33,257 --> 00:57:35,287
And yet at the same time
it was regarded so highly.
1023
00:57:35,290 --> 00:57:38,210
One of the great albums of all time,
maybe the greatest album of all time.
1024
00:57:39,423 --> 00:57:40,756
It's a piece of art.
1025
00:57:40,757 --> 00:57:46,797
Sonic art, vocal art that'll last
forever, it has everything in it.
1026
00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:50,009
It has really fabulous chord
structures, arrangements,
1027
00:57:50,010 --> 00:57:52,464
performance,
1028
00:57:52,465 --> 00:57:53,465
great songs to sing.
1029
00:57:54,715 --> 00:57:58,085
He did something with Pet
Sounds to me, all right.
1030
00:57:58,090 --> 00:58:00,090
He opened the door
for a lot of people.
1031
00:58:00,548 --> 00:58:02,878
Especially me.
1032
00:58:02,881 --> 00:58:04,800
A lot of people
are uplifted by it.
1033
00:58:04,801 --> 00:58:06,798
He grew immensely
during that time.
1034
00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:09,919
And he's being rewarded for
it now, 50 years later.
1035
00:58:09,923 --> 00:58:11,464
Isn't that nice?
1036
00:58:11,465 --> 00:58:15,625
My love for music inspires me.
I love music.
1037
00:58:15,632 --> 00:58:19,297
♪ I had to prove I could
make it alone now
1038
00:58:19,298 --> 00:58:20,468
♪ But that's not me
1039
00:58:23,799 --> 00:58:27,129
♪ I wanted to show
how independent I've grown now
1040
00:58:27,131 --> 00:58:29,971
♪ But that's not me
1041
00:58:32,298 --> 00:58:37,005
♪ I could try to be big
in the eyes of the world
1042
00:58:37,006 --> 00:58:45,006
♪ What matters to me is what I
could be to just one girl ♪
80943
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