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7-Adam-15, we're code 6
at the 911 call location.
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Any further contact from
the distressed individual?
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Negative.
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Do you want me to start
additional units?
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Uh, no. Give us a minute
to scope it out first.
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You ready?
- Do I have a choice?
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That's the spirit.
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LAPD.
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We've received a distress call
from this location.
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We are making entry.
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Ooh.
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Oh.
Do you feel that?
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Feel what?
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Ah, something evil's in here.
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Well, sure smells like it.
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I can't die.
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Won't let me die.
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- Police.
Show yourself.
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- I can't die.
It's inside of me.
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It won't let me die.
- Don't touch that, all right?
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Just... call this in.
Call it in.
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I need an RA to my location
for a stabbing victim.
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So I usually sit
right next to camera
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to keep the eyeline tight.
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Then I'll just sit
on the other side.
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No, because then
you'll split his look.
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- I don't think it matters.
- Oh, hey. Hi.
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Thanks... thanks again
for sitting down with me.
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- Us.
- What? Oh, right, us.
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Uh, why are you filming?
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Oh, I just wanted to document
the new partnership.
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Abigail was very excited.
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- It's not a partnership.
- It's totally a partnership.
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The judge was very clear.
- The judge?
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My name is Abigail Tierney.
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I'm currently trapped
inside a secret lab
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at Westview Psychiatric.
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All attempts at escape
have proven fruitless.
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I may have inadvertently used
some of Abigail's footage
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in my last documentary without
gaining the proper permissions.
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Translation, he stole
my intellectual property,
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I sued, and the judge
gave him a choice...
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pay me 200 thou in damages
or give me equal partnership
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in his next project.
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He never said equal,
but you know what?
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Never mind.
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Let's focus on the story
that we're here to tell.
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Have a seat.
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Perhaps the most shocking
case of murder
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and mayhem we've ever seen.
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Would you say
that's a fair assessment?
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Um...
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- No, no, stay... stay back.
Stay back. Stay back.
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You don't understand.
- OK, relax.
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OK, we're trying to help you.
Who stabbed you?
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I stabbed myself.
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It's inside of me.
I've tried everything else.
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I can't kill it.
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I can't die.
See?
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- No, don't pull that...
don't pull it out!
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Oh, God.
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Oh, he died instantly.
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I mean, the wound was fatal.
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You can't stab yourself
in the heart and survive.
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But the way the knife
was lodged,
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he wasn't bleeding.
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Once he pulled it out...
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- It was blood fountain city.
- Not exactly, but...
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As shocking as that was,
it was far from
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the most shocking thing
you found.
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Oh, we should get him
to say that
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to set up the opening credits.
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- That's not... we...
we don't put words
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in people's mouths.
It's a documentary.
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Yeah, it was, uh,
straight-up crazy.
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- You don't think...
- There's a body in there.
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May have finally found it.
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Please don't kill us.
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We will join your cult.
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- Oh.
- Oh, God.
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You arrived on scene
as the sergeant's supervisor?
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Yes.
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I got there before
the ambulance,
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not that there was any aid
they could have rendered.
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Is there a reason
you didn't want us
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to interview you with Tim?
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What?
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No. We're just...
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just shaking it up.
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- Let's... let's...
let's stay focused.
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Were you the first
to recognize the victim?
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Uh, sort of.
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I thought I knew his face,
but it wasn't until
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we ran his prints
that we got a name.
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Rich Rowley was retired LAPD.
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He had been with
the department for 30 years
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and was a little bit
of a legend,
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mostly because he made a series
of training videos
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from the mid-'90s
till his retirement in 2015,
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which by modern standards,
are a little cringe.
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- Hey, everybody.
Rich Rowley here
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with another installment of...
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Now, today, we're gonna
be talking about
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proper cuffing technique.
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Excuse me, officer?
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I hurt my shoulder at the gym.
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Would you mind
cuffing me in front?
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Pretty lady like you,
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what's the worst
that could happen?
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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Rich was a trip.
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The life of the party,
at least early in his career.
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Then as the years went on,
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he became a little, uh, crazy.
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Crazy how?
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He was deep into
conspiracy theories.
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He had a real thing
for cults and cabals.
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To be fair, Los Angeles does
have a pretty dark history.
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But Rich took it
to the next level,
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and his training videos got more
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and more intense because of it.
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We finally got around
to updating the videos
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this last year, but that
caused quite a controversy
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with some of the older officers.
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They said we were
being insensitive.
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Why would updating training
videos be insensitive?
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Even three years on,
a lot of his friends
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were still mourning his death
and saw the videos as a way
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to keep his memory alive.
- I'm sorry.
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I thought Rich died
six months ago.
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- Yeah.
- He did.
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I'm talking about
the first time.
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Divers are searching for
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any signs of retired
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Los Angeles police officer
Richard Rowley
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after a sailing trip gone wrong.
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Coast Guard responded
to a distress call
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this morning from Rowley's wife,
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who says the 55-year-old
fell overboard
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after the sailboat
he was captaining
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was struck by a rogue wave.
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Any time someone disappears
from a boating trip,
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it automatically sets off
alarm bells.
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Why is that?
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It's just an ideal place
to cover up a crime.
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Throw a body overboard,
weigh it down,
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the likelihood of us
recovering it before
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it becomes fish food is low.
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And circumstances
were suspicious.
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By all accounts,
Rich was a skilled sailor,
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it was a calm day, and the
only witness to his demise
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was Darla Phillips,
his on again, off again
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girlfriend, who he married
five days prior.
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So you suspected foul play?
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Not necessarily,
but we couldn't rule it out.
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Why wasn't Rich
wearing a life vest?
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- He never did.
He was a strong swimmer.
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He must have hit
his head when he fell.
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Why didn't you
jump in after him?
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- I'm scared of dark water.
- Dark water?
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Water you can't see
the bottom of.
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Just blackness
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with God knows what
lurking below.
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You stand to inherit
Rich's entire police pension.
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That's quite a bit of money.
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How dare you?
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I just watched the love of
my life die in front of me.
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We don't know that for sure yet.
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They haven't found his body.
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Unless you know more
that you're not telling us.
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Go to hell!
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This interview is over.
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Did it ever occur to you
that Rich might still be alive?
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As we said, we couldn't
rule anything out,
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but there was no evidence
that he'd faked his death.
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Until he turned up dead again.
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Needless to say, we had
a few more questions for Darla.
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Helping someone fake
their death isn't a crime.
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I checked.
- You're right,
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but profiting off of that death,
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collecting Rich's pension
and his life insurance,
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that's fraud.
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Not to mention the resources
that were wasted
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trying to recover his body.
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You could be facing
some serious charges.
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So tell us.
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Why did Rich want to
fake his death?
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After Rich retired,
he kind of fell apart.
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His drinking got worse,
and his paranoia.
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He was always a little intense,
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but it started to get scary.
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He covered all his windows
with newspapers,
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started writing down the
license plates of passing cars.
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What was he so afraid of?
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He said there was
this group, like,
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a secret society of dangerous
and powerful people.
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He'd been on to them for years.
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He said that they found out
about him,
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that he was in danger
because of it.
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It was too much for me,
so I broke up with him.
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And then a year later,
he showed up on my doorstep
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and asked me to help him
fake his death
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in return for his pension.
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I needed the money.
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So we got married,
and we did the deed,
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and I never saw him again.
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So you have no idea why there
was a coffin in his garage?
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We'll probably hold
this piece of the puzzle
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until the end of the first act,
you know,
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hit the audience
with a twist when
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it's dramatically expedient.
- Yeah.
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Seems manipulative.
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All good storytelling is, so.
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Just tell us about
finding the coffin.
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So once I arrived,
and we secured the crime scene,
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we cleared
the rest of the house,
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and then we moved on
to the garage.
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Oh.
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Oh, you don't think there's...
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- That there's a body in there?
I absolutely do.
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- OK, are we gonna open it?
'Cause I don't wanna open it.
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What do you think?
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I mean,
it's clearly been dug up.
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Given the state of the coffin,
it's clearly been
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underground for a few years.
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If there is a body in there,
it's likely long dead.
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- Unless...
- Unless what?
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Unless he put a fresh victim
in an old coffin.
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OK, got it.
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- Got it?
- Yep.
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- Oh.
Oh, God.
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The body belonged to
a 54-year-old truck driver
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named Marcus Ford,
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who was the victim of
an unsolved homicide
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back in 2020.
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How was he killed?
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Uh, he was stabbed in the heart.
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Just like Rich.
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Wait, Rich murdered Marcus Ford.
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Did I just solve the case?
- No.
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We were able to alibi Rich out.
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He was hospitalized with double
pneumonia the day Marcus died.
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Medical records say
he was so weak that,
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uh, he could barely
get out of bed.
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Or that's what
he wanted you to think.
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Moving on.
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Digging up a body's
no easy task.
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Why would Rich go
to all that trouble?
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Initially,
we thought it was simply
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the demented act of
a clearly disturbed mind,
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and in some ways, it was.
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But then we found the tattoo.
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At first, it was
a little bit difficult
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to make out exactly what it was.
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A half a decade of decomp
does a number on the skin.
256
00:10:27,335 --> 00:10:29,920
But when we look back
at the case file,
257
00:10:29,921 --> 00:10:32,297
there was a photo of it taken
during the original autopsy.
258
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That's actually kind of sick.
259
00:10:33,675 --> 00:10:35,801
I wonder if there's a way
to track down the artist.
260
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I've been meaning
to start the sleeve
261
00:10:36,970 --> 00:10:38,846
on my other arm, like a...
262
00:10:38,847 --> 00:10:40,347
To my collaborator's point,
263
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lots of people have tattoos.
264
00:10:42,433 --> 00:10:44,726
What was it about this one
that jumped out at you?
265
00:10:44,727 --> 00:10:47,980
Well, something about it
was familiar to both of us,
266
00:10:47,981 --> 00:10:49,815
but we couldn't place it.
267
00:10:49,816 --> 00:10:53,277
So we started asking around,
and the answer couldn't come
268
00:10:53,278 --> 00:10:56,196
from a more unlikely place.
269
00:10:56,197 --> 00:10:58,073
I watched the Rich Rowley
training videos
270
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more than any person alive,
271
00:11:00,535 --> 00:11:04,079
so I recognized
the symbol immediately.
272
00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,290
Sometimes, citizens panic when
273
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they can't get in touch with
their friends or loved ones.
274
00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,003
That is why we always
advise the public
275
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to wait 24 hours before
reporting someone missing.
276
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While most missing
person reports stem
277
00:11:16,384 --> 00:11:18,093
from a lapse in communication,
278
00:11:18,094 --> 00:11:19,970
every once in a while,
you'll encounter
279
00:11:19,971 --> 00:11:22,556
a true, workable case.
280
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- Officer, help.
My sister is missing.
281
00:11:25,351 --> 00:11:26,810
When's the last time
you saw her?
282
00:11:26,811 --> 00:11:28,478
Last night at the bar.
283
00:11:28,479 --> 00:11:30,856
Her boyfriend said
she never made it home.
284
00:11:30,857 --> 00:11:34,693
You always wanna take a
report like this one seriously.
285
00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:37,279
So Rich hid the same symbol
in his training videos
286
00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,656
that was tattooed on
the body of a murder victim.
287
00:11:39,657 --> 00:11:41,867
What did you think that meant?
288
00:11:41,868 --> 00:11:44,119
Uh, I don't know.
289
00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:44,870
I can't believe I'm saying this,
290
00:11:44,871 --> 00:11:46,079
but Smitty was right.
291
00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,081
In lesson 187, the tattoo symbol
292
00:11:48,082 --> 00:11:49,958
was hidden in the background,
293
00:11:49,959 --> 00:11:51,668
although the instructions
294
00:11:51,669 --> 00:11:53,962
to wait 24 hours before
reporting a missing person
295
00:11:53,963 --> 00:11:55,881
are wildly outdated.
296
00:11:55,882 --> 00:11:57,633
Anyways, it got me thinking.
297
00:11:57,634 --> 00:12:00,802
What if Rich put messages
in other videos?
298
00:12:00,803 --> 00:12:02,054
What kind of messages?
299
00:12:02,055 --> 00:12:03,513
I'm not totally sure yet.
300
00:12:03,514 --> 00:12:05,557
I binged every single
Rich training video
301
00:12:05,558 --> 00:12:06,558
I could get my hands on.
302
00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,101
Yeah, it's been
a fun few nights.
303
00:12:08,102 --> 00:12:10,020
And I did find a few
other possible leads,
304
00:12:10,021 --> 00:12:11,355
but there's a problem.
305
00:12:11,356 --> 00:12:12,648
The department's
archive is incomplete,
306
00:12:12,649 --> 00:12:14,066
and without all of the videos,
307
00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:15,233
I can't be sure
that I'm not missing
308
00:12:15,234 --> 00:12:16,652
a vital piece of information.
309
00:12:16,653 --> 00:12:18,528
So what happened
to the missing videos?
310
00:12:18,529 --> 00:12:20,697
So when the training topics
and the videos
311
00:12:20,698 --> 00:12:24,326
become outdated because
of new laws or protocols,
312
00:12:24,327 --> 00:12:26,036
the department has
to make new ones,
313
00:12:26,037 --> 00:12:28,497
and obsolete videos
are supposed to be digitized
314
00:12:28,498 --> 00:12:31,708
and archived
for historical record.
315
00:12:31,709 --> 00:12:34,086
But Rich's were just gone.
316
00:12:34,087 --> 00:12:35,712
Gone as in destroyed?
317
00:12:35,713 --> 00:12:38,340
- Like a cover-up?
- No one's saying that.
318
00:12:38,341 --> 00:12:40,550
Most likely,
it was a human error.
319
00:12:40,551 --> 00:12:43,178
You know, someone got lazy,
didn't archive them.
320
00:12:43,179 --> 00:12:45,013
I tried reaching out
to the production company
321
00:12:45,014 --> 00:12:48,183
that made the videos to see
if they had any copies left.
322
00:12:48,184 --> 00:12:51,228
Bad news is they went out
of business a few years back
323
00:12:51,229 --> 00:12:53,105
and auctioned off
all their equipment.
324
00:12:53,106 --> 00:12:55,190
What's the good news?
325
00:12:55,191 --> 00:12:58,485
Well, I managed to track down
the auction logs,
326
00:12:58,486 --> 00:13:00,487
and I actually know
the person who purchased
327
00:13:00,488 --> 00:13:02,948
the studio's old hard drives.
328
00:13:02,949 --> 00:13:06,201
Careful, I'm very ticklish,
like the Pillsbury Doughboy.
329
00:13:06,202 --> 00:13:07,202
Same.
330
00:13:07,203 --> 00:13:09,246
I hear it's a sign
of intelligence.
331
00:13:09,247 --> 00:13:10,539
- Is that a fact?
- Yep.
332
00:13:10,540 --> 00:13:13,166
Then I am smart as the dickens.
333
00:13:13,167 --> 00:13:14,918
So you purchased hard drives
334
00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:16,753
from Speak Now Studios?
335
00:13:16,754 --> 00:13:18,839
Yeah. Dropout was still
in its infancy.
336
00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,133
I was building the company
from the ground up.
337
00:13:21,134 --> 00:13:23,385
We had to be smart about
how we were spending our money.
338
00:13:23,386 --> 00:13:26,054
We bought a huge amount
of equipment secondhand...
339
00:13:26,055 --> 00:13:27,973
hard drives, cameras, wigs.
340
00:13:27,974 --> 00:13:31,018
Wait, you bought
second-hand wigs?
341
00:13:31,019 --> 00:13:32,310
Give them a little shake
before we put them on.
342
00:13:32,311 --> 00:13:33,770
That's awesome.
343
00:13:33,771 --> 00:13:35,022
Do you still have
that wig connect?
344
00:13:35,023 --> 00:13:37,649
'Cause I'd love a referral.
My guy is...
345
00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:39,526
Back on track.
346
00:13:39,527 --> 00:13:41,778
The hard drives you bought
contain police training videos.
347
00:13:41,779 --> 00:13:43,363
Did you happen to watch
any of them?
348
00:13:43,364 --> 00:13:45,365
- Of course.
Rich Rowley, right?
349
00:13:45,366 --> 00:13:47,367
We were obsessed
with those videos.
350
00:13:47,368 --> 00:13:50,078
We probably watched them,
like, a dozen times.
351
00:13:50,079 --> 00:13:52,748
I'm Rich Rowley, and this is
"Survive the Streets."
352
00:13:52,749 --> 00:13:54,374
Oh, that's great.
353
00:13:54,375 --> 00:13:55,751
Vic can do the best impression.
354
00:13:55,752 --> 00:13:57,669
Do you think you'd be able
to make copies for us?
355
00:13:57,670 --> 00:14:00,047
I totally would,
356
00:14:00,048 --> 00:14:01,339
but I can't because
357
00:14:01,340 --> 00:14:03,050
we wiped all of those
hard drives
358
00:14:03,051 --> 00:14:04,634
to use as servers months ago.
359
00:14:04,635 --> 00:14:06,511
Sorry I couldn't be
of more help.
360
00:14:06,512 --> 00:14:10,348
You'll still feature
this interview, right?
361
00:14:10,349 --> 00:14:11,933
- Yeah.
- Yeah, probably not.
362
00:14:11,934 --> 00:14:13,727
Wait, you said you
and the Dropout crew
363
00:14:13,728 --> 00:14:16,480
watched the video, like,
dozens of times, right?
364
00:14:16,481 --> 00:14:18,607
Yes, sometimes on an edible,
mostly sober.
365
00:14:18,608 --> 00:14:20,525
I have an idea.
366
00:14:20,526 --> 00:14:21,985
OK, so then he'd be like,
don't forget to check
367
00:14:21,986 --> 00:14:23,487
the closet or you'll die.
So I don't know.
368
00:14:23,488 --> 00:14:25,197
I think it's
a little bit more like,
369
00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:26,990
like, if you forget
to check the closet,
370
00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:29,701
Freddy, Jason, and Chucky
will rip off your scrote!
371
00:14:29,702 --> 00:14:31,453
OK, I think
there's less foot stuff.
372
00:14:31,454 --> 00:14:33,038
I feel like he's like...
373
00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:35,040
and then your crazy
methy ex-girlfriend
374
00:14:35,041 --> 00:14:37,250
who's been hiding in
the hallway closet
375
00:14:37,251 --> 00:14:39,127
will chainsaw your face
when you get home
376
00:14:39,128 --> 00:14:41,004
because you forgot
to clear the room!
377
00:14:41,005 --> 00:14:42,005
- Clear the room!
- Clear the room!
378
00:14:42,006 --> 00:14:43,590
Check the room.
379
00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:45,550
I think he was so close
to pulling out his gun...
380
00:14:45,551 --> 00:14:47,302
- What are you guys doing?
- That's a great question.
381
00:14:47,303 --> 00:14:48,929
They're reenacting
the police training videos
382
00:14:48,930 --> 00:14:50,263
since you guys wiped them
off your hard drive.
383
00:14:50,264 --> 00:14:51,932
Oh, the Rich Rowley ones.
384
00:14:51,933 --> 00:14:53,433
Those are so funny.
- Right.
385
00:14:53,434 --> 00:14:54,935
I actually stole
one of the hard drives
386
00:14:54,936 --> 00:14:56,144
so I could watch it
when I'm in the tub.
387
00:14:56,145 --> 00:14:57,312
You talking about
your tub again?
388
00:14:57,313 --> 00:14:58,480
- Say what?
- A little self-care.
389
00:14:58,481 --> 00:15:00,232
You know,
trying to relax a little more.
390
00:15:00,233 --> 00:15:02,317
It's not working.
- Can we have it?
391
00:15:02,318 --> 00:15:03,944
If you want to borrow it,
I could, you know.
392
00:15:03,945 --> 00:15:05,404
No, I think this is
actually working great.
393
00:15:05,405 --> 00:15:07,906
- I mean, you could. OK.
- Keep this up.
394
00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:08,782
- Riffing.
- Clearing the room.
395
00:15:08,783 --> 00:15:10,117
Help us.
396
00:15:10,118 --> 00:15:11,368
OK, I finally finished watching
397
00:15:11,369 --> 00:15:12,953
all of the Rich training videos,
398
00:15:12,954 --> 00:15:14,412
and there is a lot.
399
00:15:14,413 --> 00:15:17,499
Um, take lesson 277...
400
00:15:20,753 --> 00:15:22,504
My azaleas!
401
00:15:22,505 --> 00:15:26,133
A cold case where victim
Azalea Robinson was found
402
00:15:26,134 --> 00:15:27,968
stabbed near a ski resort.
403
00:15:27,969 --> 00:15:29,344
- You're kidding.
- No.
404
00:15:29,345 --> 00:15:32,347
And in lesson 290,
Rich is holding a folder
405
00:15:32,348 --> 00:15:34,141
with a Post-It note
on the back with a brown star
406
00:15:34,142 --> 00:15:35,475
drawn on it.
- I'm lost.
407
00:15:35,476 --> 00:15:38,228
Right, so I looked up
the cold cases
408
00:15:38,229 --> 00:15:39,938
to see if there were
any victims with names
409
00:15:39,939 --> 00:15:41,857
like Star or Stella,
410
00:15:41,858 --> 00:15:43,358
and there was one hit,
411
00:15:43,359 --> 00:15:44,860
Stella Brown,
412
00:15:44,861 --> 00:15:47,154
also found stabbed in the chest.
413
00:15:47,155 --> 00:15:49,114
In all,
Lucy found clues pointing
414
00:15:49,115 --> 00:15:51,533
to seven different cold cases.
415
00:15:51,534 --> 00:15:53,535
But why was Rich hiding
the names of murder victims
416
00:15:53,536 --> 00:15:55,370
in police training videos?
417
00:15:55,371 --> 00:15:56,621
Based on what
we could piece together,
418
00:15:56,622 --> 00:15:58,915
he believed he had stumbled
upon a conspiracy...
419
00:15:58,916 --> 00:16:01,251
a series of connected murders
committed by person
420
00:16:01,252 --> 00:16:02,878
or persons unknown.
421
00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:04,671
If that were the case,
why not just report
422
00:16:04,672 --> 00:16:07,048
his suspicion?
He was a cop for 30 years.
423
00:16:07,049 --> 00:16:09,551
Well, Rich had
a bit of a reputation
424
00:16:09,552 --> 00:16:14,097
within the department for,
shall we say, magical thinking.
425
00:16:14,098 --> 00:16:17,934
So unfortunately, his theory
was dismissed out of hand.
426
00:16:17,935 --> 00:16:19,895
But why did he think
the murders were connected?
427
00:16:19,896 --> 00:16:21,396
Well, for starters,
they were all stabbed
428
00:16:21,397 --> 00:16:23,523
in the chest,
but more importantly,
429
00:16:23,524 --> 00:16:25,150
each victim was found
with a penny
430
00:16:25,151 --> 00:16:26,610
either in or on their person.
431
00:16:26,611 --> 00:16:27,944
What do you mean "in"?
432
00:16:27,945 --> 00:16:30,071
One had a penny in her stomach.
433
00:16:30,072 --> 00:16:32,240
Another had one
shoved up his nose.
434
00:16:32,241 --> 00:16:33,575
Stella Brown lucked out.
435
00:16:33,576 --> 00:16:35,493
Hers was just
clasped in her hand.
436
00:16:35,494 --> 00:16:37,996
And when we re-examined
Marcus Ford's corpse,
437
00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:41,374
the ME found one inserted into
the heel of his left foot.
438
00:16:41,375 --> 00:16:43,084
Why?
439
00:16:43,085 --> 00:16:45,378
Did we mention that
they were all minted in 1930?
440
00:16:45,379 --> 00:16:47,631
- OK.
Well, I just got goosebumps.
441
00:16:47,632 --> 00:16:49,841
Rich's autopsy also revealed
that he had swallowed
442
00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:51,968
close to 50 pennies
before he died.
443
00:16:51,969 --> 00:16:53,220
Gross.
444
00:16:53,221 --> 00:16:54,930
So at this point,
was your theory...
445
00:16:54,931 --> 00:16:56,806
I actually have no idea what
their theory would have been.
446
00:16:56,807 --> 00:16:59,476
Yeah, well, I would tell you,
but we were way off the mark,
447
00:16:59,477 --> 00:17:01,686
which we were about to discover
448
00:17:01,687 --> 00:17:04,481
when we got access
to his cloud account.
449
00:17:04,482 --> 00:17:07,107
OK.
450
00:17:07,108 --> 00:17:09,693
I may have finally found it.
451
00:17:09,694 --> 00:17:12,447
I am so close to getting
some real answers.
452
00:17:14,659 --> 00:17:16,786
See that?
453
00:17:30,591 --> 00:17:33,093
Oh, whoa.
454
00:17:33,094 --> 00:17:34,094
Ha!
455
00:17:36,097 --> 00:17:38,139
Oh, my God.
No! No.
456
00:17:40,685 --> 00:17:43,103
For a guy pretending to be dead,
457
00:17:43,104 --> 00:17:44,980
breaking into a secure
military facility
458
00:17:44,981 --> 00:17:47,023
doesn't seem like the best idea.
459
00:17:47,024 --> 00:17:50,694
Well, he wasn't just breaking
into any military facility.
460
00:17:50,695 --> 00:17:52,153
It was Area 67.
461
00:17:52,154 --> 00:17:53,446
What does that mean?
462
00:17:53,447 --> 00:17:56,157
That's where the government
keeps the aliens.
463
00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:05,292
So Rich broke into
a secret government base
464
00:18:05,293 --> 00:18:07,168
on the hunt for
a massive conspiracy,
465
00:18:07,169 --> 00:18:08,670
then stabbed himself
in the chest?
466
00:18:08,671 --> 00:18:10,255
I mean, at that point,
it's obvious what happened.
467
00:18:10,256 --> 00:18:12,173
- Is it?
- Come on.
468
00:18:12,174 --> 00:18:14,259
Remember what Rich said
right before he died?
469
00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:15,844
I can't die.
470
00:18:15,845 --> 00:18:16,803
It's inside of me.
471
00:18:16,804 --> 00:18:18,555
It won't let me die.
472
00:18:18,556 --> 00:18:19,973
Yeah, I'm not following.
473
00:18:19,974 --> 00:18:22,726
Rich was exposed
to an alien parasite.
474
00:18:22,727 --> 00:18:25,270
It was inside him.
475
00:18:25,271 --> 00:18:27,814
Were you familiar with Area 67?
476
00:18:27,815 --> 00:18:29,607
- I'd heard of it.
Yeah.
477
00:18:29,608 --> 00:18:32,319
There's this AM radio station
I used to listen to
478
00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,945
back in Foxburg.
479
00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:35,572
Kept me awake when
I was working late.
480
00:18:35,573 --> 00:18:38,408
The host was obsessed with UFOs.
481
00:18:38,409 --> 00:18:40,619
- "Val's Velvet Bunker"?
- That's the one.
482
00:18:40,620 --> 00:18:43,913
He was a little bit out there,
but always entertaining.
483
00:18:43,914 --> 00:18:47,292
Area 51 is theater.
484
00:18:47,293 --> 00:18:49,002
Do you believe?
485
00:18:49,003 --> 00:18:51,838
Do you really believe
the most secretive
486
00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:54,466
military installation
in the world would let itself
487
00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:56,468
become a tourist attraction?
488
00:18:56,469 --> 00:18:57,761
No, no, no, no.
489
00:18:57,762 --> 00:19:00,430
Area 51 is the distraction.
490
00:19:00,431 --> 00:19:03,391
Area 67 is the real deal.
491
00:19:03,392 --> 00:19:05,935
You know why California
has all those earthquakes?
492
00:19:05,936 --> 00:19:08,688
It's not the San Andreas
Fault, my friends.
493
00:19:08,689 --> 00:19:11,858
It's the sonic resonance
from Area 67's
494
00:19:11,859 --> 00:19:13,693
underground testing chambers.
495
00:19:13,694 --> 00:19:15,612
Did you believe in his theories?
496
00:19:15,613 --> 00:19:17,030
No, no.
497
00:19:17,031 --> 00:19:18,823
Like I said, just entertainment.
498
00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:19,783
Let's hear from a caller.
499
00:19:19,784 --> 00:19:21,534
Hi, name's John.
500
00:19:21,535 --> 00:19:22,702
Longtime listener,
fourth-time caller.
501
00:19:22,703 --> 00:19:25,372
- Hey, John from Foxburg.
Welcome back.
502
00:19:25,373 --> 00:19:26,498
What have you got
for us tonight?
503
00:19:26,499 --> 00:19:29,085
I swear to God I just saw a UFO.
504
00:19:31,379 --> 00:19:34,464
John is such a common name.
505
00:19:34,465 --> 00:19:37,092
I'm open to the possibility
of extraterrestrial life.
506
00:19:37,093 --> 00:19:38,385
- You are?
- Yeah.
507
00:19:38,386 --> 00:19:40,011
I mean, it's a big universe.
508
00:19:40,012 --> 00:19:42,055
Anything could be out there.
- I don't know.
509
00:19:42,056 --> 00:19:44,891
People who claim to have seen
aliens tend to be a little off.
510
00:19:44,892 --> 00:19:46,684
You were friends
with a corpse, right?
511
00:19:46,685 --> 00:19:48,061
Well, yeah,
we were more than friends,
512
00:19:48,062 --> 00:19:49,688
but fair enough.
OK.
513
00:19:49,689 --> 00:19:52,107
Legally, is it necrophilia
514
00:19:52,108 --> 00:19:53,691
if she only did
over the clothes stuff?
515
00:19:53,692 --> 00:19:56,194
- That's a great question.
- Oh, I definitely believe.
516
00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:57,987
In fact,
517
00:19:57,988 --> 00:20:00,240
I've been abducted by aliens.
518
00:20:00,241 --> 00:20:02,617
- Really?
- Multiple times.
519
00:20:02,618 --> 00:20:06,037
Apparently,
I'm a fascinating subject.
520
00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:09,249
I remember the last time
Smitty was "abducted."
521
00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:10,917
Turns out he partied
too hard in Vegas
522
00:20:10,918 --> 00:20:12,544
and woke up in Wisconsin.
523
00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:14,295
Missing time,
524
00:20:14,296 --> 00:20:17,257
one of the hallmarks
of alien abductions.
525
00:20:17,258 --> 00:20:19,384
- And binge drinking.
- Point is,
526
00:20:19,385 --> 00:20:22,053
the government
had little gray men
527
00:20:22,054 --> 00:20:24,472
in their secret labs
for decades.
528
00:20:24,473 --> 00:20:26,266
What are they doing with them?
529
00:20:26,267 --> 00:20:28,893
They're implanting the aliens
in unsuspecting hosts
530
00:20:28,894 --> 00:20:30,520
and taking over their bodies.
531
00:20:30,521 --> 00:20:34,108
You just never know
who might be one of them.
532
00:20:35,735 --> 00:20:38,611
Some people in the station
believed Rich stabbed himself
533
00:20:38,612 --> 00:20:40,572
to kill an alien parasite,
534
00:20:40,573 --> 00:20:42,073
but I wouldn't say
535
00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:44,033
that was a dominant theory.
536
00:20:44,034 --> 00:20:45,577
It wasn't long before
we figured out
537
00:20:45,578 --> 00:20:48,037
Rich believed something darker,
538
00:20:48,038 --> 00:20:50,457
and it was connected
to the seven murders.
539
00:20:50,458 --> 00:20:52,083
Then why did Rich break
into the army base?
540
00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:54,711
Yes, I remember the incident.
541
00:20:54,712 --> 00:20:56,171
Rich Rowley cut through a fence.
542
00:20:56,172 --> 00:20:58,339
He trespassed on
government property.
543
00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:01,050
He was promptly apprehended
and sent on his way.
544
00:21:01,051 --> 00:21:03,595
Do you have any idea
what Rich was looking for?
545
00:21:03,596 --> 00:21:06,389
Uh, as it turns out,
he was looking for me.
546
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:09,601
But not because of
any alleged aliens.
547
00:21:09,602 --> 00:21:12,020
So why did he come?
548
00:21:12,021 --> 00:21:14,981
Uh, this part is a...
549
00:21:14,982 --> 00:21:17,692
is a little bit embarrassing.
Um...
550
00:21:17,693 --> 00:21:19,986
before I found my calling
in the military,
551
00:21:19,987 --> 00:21:22,739
I thought that
I wanted to be an actor,
552
00:21:22,740 --> 00:21:25,700
and I was in a few DTV movies.
553
00:21:25,701 --> 00:21:26,826
What's DTV?
554
00:21:26,827 --> 00:21:27,952
You're so young.
555
00:21:27,953 --> 00:21:29,412
Uh, direct to video.
556
00:21:29,413 --> 00:21:31,748
They made all these
super cheap movies
557
00:21:31,749 --> 00:21:33,541
back in the '80s and '90s.
558
00:21:33,542 --> 00:21:35,084
You make them as cheaply
as possible
559
00:21:35,085 --> 00:21:37,128
and then hope that someone
was drawn in enough
560
00:21:37,129 --> 00:21:39,547
by the cover art to rent them.
561
00:21:39,548 --> 00:21:42,133
- A guy can't have a side gig?
- Totally.
562
00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:43,718
How did you get into acting?
563
00:21:43,719 --> 00:21:46,262
Some director scouted me
when I pulled him over.
564
00:21:46,263 --> 00:21:49,057
He said I had a bitchin' bod.
565
00:21:49,058 --> 00:21:50,725
Well, he wasn't wrong.
566
00:21:50,726 --> 00:21:53,603
But I gave it up 'cause
the people of this city
567
00:21:53,604 --> 00:21:55,688
needed a savior.
- Mm.
568
00:21:55,689 --> 00:21:57,941
Yeah, you are the model
of public service.
569
00:21:57,942 --> 00:21:59,776
Right.
570
00:21:59,777 --> 00:22:02,821
Anyway, Rich became
interested in this terrible
571
00:22:02,822 --> 00:22:06,032
B movie that I was in.
I played a monk.
572
00:22:06,033 --> 00:22:08,576
It was called
"300 Days of Hell."
573
00:22:12,832 --> 00:22:14,707
Terrible B movie,
that's what he called it?
574
00:22:14,708 --> 00:22:17,085
"300 Days of Hell" is the
scariest film of the 1990s.
575
00:22:17,086 --> 00:22:18,670
Really?
576
00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:20,630
"The Ring", "Scream,"
"Blair Witch Project"?
577
00:22:20,631 --> 00:22:22,590
Which one of us executive
produced a horror movie?
578
00:22:22,591 --> 00:22:24,843
Trust me, "THDOH"
579
00:22:24,844 --> 00:22:26,845
is true nightmare fuel.
580
00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:28,930
It's not that scary.
581
00:22:28,931 --> 00:22:31,474
She made me watch it at the
beginning of our relationship.
582
00:22:31,475 --> 00:22:34,352
When he was still
trying to impress me.
583
00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:36,479
You wanna watch it
again tonight?
584
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,232
- I would.
Totally.
585
00:22:39,233 --> 00:22:42,235
I do have plans, though.
586
00:22:42,236 --> 00:22:43,820
Yeah I'm not watching that crap,
587
00:22:43,821 --> 00:22:45,530
even if it is for a case.
588
00:22:45,531 --> 00:22:47,782
I see enough horror on the job.
589
00:22:47,783 --> 00:22:50,827
That being said,
"300 Days of Hell"
590
00:22:50,828 --> 00:22:52,829
was our first real window
into the rabbit hole
591
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:54,247
that Rich had gone down.
592
00:22:54,248 --> 00:22:55,790
A rabbit hole filled
with demons...
593
00:22:55,791 --> 00:22:58,710
or rather, a demon.
594
00:22:58,711 --> 00:23:00,420
So Rich believed a demon
had killed all those people?
595
00:23:00,421 --> 00:23:02,130
No, the killers
were definitely human.
596
00:23:02,131 --> 00:23:03,923
- Killers, plural?
- Yeah.
597
00:23:03,924 --> 00:23:06,384
There was different trace DNA
on all the bodies,
598
00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:08,511
all from different subjects,
and none of them
599
00:23:08,512 --> 00:23:10,930
were in the system.
- Meaning?
600
00:23:10,931 --> 00:23:12,181
The murders were committed
by a group of people
601
00:23:12,182 --> 00:23:14,267
with shared beliefs.
602
00:23:14,268 --> 00:23:15,476
A murder cult?
603
00:23:15,477 --> 00:23:17,937
The cult believed a demon
named Malaphus
604
00:23:17,938 --> 00:23:20,273
had been possessing people
all across the city,
605
00:23:20,274 --> 00:23:24,235
jumping from host to host, and
it was up to them to stop it.
606
00:23:32,786 --> 00:23:34,871
The legend of Malaphus
is centuries old.
607
00:23:34,872 --> 00:23:38,082
The first mention we see of him
is 1433's
608
00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:40,293
"Lesser Grimoire of Solomon"
609
00:23:40,294 --> 00:23:43,880
by Slovenian inquisitor
Terentius Bruma,
610
00:23:43,881 --> 00:23:48,009
a reference text of demons
and their attributes.
611
00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:50,136
- Gnarly.
- Right?
612
00:23:50,137 --> 00:23:53,139
He's also known as
the Deceiver, the Infestor,
613
00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:55,725
and Demon of 300 days.
Why?
614
00:23:55,726 --> 00:23:58,061
Once summoned to Earth,
Malaphus won't rest
615
00:23:58,062 --> 00:23:59,854
until he finds a human host.
616
00:23:59,855 --> 00:24:02,774
After possession begins,
he incubates
617
00:24:02,775 --> 00:24:04,984
300 days.
618
00:24:04,985 --> 00:24:06,527
What happens after 300 days?
619
00:24:06,528 --> 00:24:08,321
He reaches full strength,
620
00:24:08,322 --> 00:24:11,616
and his power
becomes uncontainable.
621
00:24:11,617 --> 00:24:12,993
Uh-oh.
622
00:24:14,370 --> 00:24:16,621
Um, if Malaphus
was summoned to Earth,
623
00:24:16,622 --> 00:24:18,247
how would one stop him?
624
00:24:18,248 --> 00:24:21,626
Bruma suggests killing the
host might slow Malaphus down,
625
00:24:21,627 --> 00:24:25,338
forcing him to regenerate
before he can find a new host,
626
00:24:25,339 --> 00:24:28,132
a process
that also can be slowed
627
00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:30,635
by the use of copper.
628
00:24:30,636 --> 00:24:33,304
- It was the pennies.
- The pennies.
629
00:24:33,305 --> 00:24:34,847
It all came back to the pennies.
630
00:24:34,848 --> 00:24:38,434
Before 1984,
U.S. pennies were 95% copper.
631
00:24:38,435 --> 00:24:40,979
So the copper in the pennies
was meant to bind the demon,
632
00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:42,313
but what about the 1930 part?
633
00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:45,150
Uh, are you familiar
with numerology?
634
00:24:46,694 --> 00:24:49,404
Some ancient peoples...
and Taylor Swift...
635
00:24:49,405 --> 00:24:52,407
believed there was
a mystical connection
636
00:24:52,408 --> 00:24:55,201
between letters and numbers.
637
00:24:55,202 --> 00:24:57,370
Using the Chaldean method,
the name Malaphus
638
00:24:57,371 --> 00:24:59,455
becomes a digit, 1930.
639
00:24:59,456 --> 00:25:01,999
- So you're saying...
- We had a theory.
640
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,627
Whoever killed those people
believed the victims
641
00:25:04,628 --> 00:25:06,796
were possessed by Malaphus.
642
00:25:06,797 --> 00:25:10,550
They had to reach
Malaphus's host before
643
00:25:10,551 --> 00:25:12,260
he reached his true form.
644
00:25:12,261 --> 00:25:13,761
A 1930 penny was
the perfect tool.
645
00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:16,347
Yeah, Rich's talk of,
"it's inside me,
646
00:25:16,348 --> 00:25:18,683
it won't let me die,"
he thought he was infested
647
00:25:18,684 --> 00:25:20,101
by this demon, too,
648
00:25:20,102 --> 00:25:21,644
and that's why
he killed himself.
649
00:25:21,645 --> 00:25:23,146
Wait.
650
00:25:23,147 --> 00:25:24,564
I thought Rich didn't
believe in Malaphus.
651
00:25:24,565 --> 00:25:26,858
Isn't that why he was
trying to stop the cult?
652
00:25:26,859 --> 00:25:29,110
Well, yes, but, I mean,
years of obsession and paranoia
653
00:25:29,111 --> 00:25:31,070
can do a number
on a person's psyche.
654
00:25:31,071 --> 00:25:32,196
I mean, it seems as though,
in the end,
655
00:25:32,197 --> 00:25:33,865
Rich could no longer distinguish
656
00:25:33,866 --> 00:25:35,491
fantasy from reality.
657
00:25:35,492 --> 00:25:37,243
And you got this theory
from Rich's files?
658
00:25:37,244 --> 00:25:39,287
Well, I mean,
we actually got it from Lopez.
659
00:25:39,288 --> 00:25:41,873
And they say watching
old horror movies
660
00:25:41,874 --> 00:25:44,167
isn't a good use of time.
661
00:25:44,168 --> 00:25:46,419
I never said that.
662
00:25:53,635 --> 00:25:55,845
Are we safe, brother?
663
00:25:55,846 --> 00:25:57,847
Is Malaphus banished?
664
00:25:57,848 --> 00:25:59,599
His sigil is drawn.
665
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,517
The rite is spoken.
666
00:26:01,518 --> 00:26:05,521
We have sealed his last
human vessel with copper.
667
00:26:11,945 --> 00:26:13,738
Heaven forgive us.
668
00:26:13,739 --> 00:26:15,698
Indeed.
669
00:26:15,699 --> 00:26:17,742
For hell will not.
670
00:26:18,911 --> 00:26:21,120
Midnight,
671
00:26:21,121 --> 00:26:24,165
the 300th day.
672
00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:26,793
Our task was done none too soon.
673
00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:55,114
Yeah, that was me.
674
00:26:57,491 --> 00:26:59,283
Do you guys want a glass?
- No, I'm good.
675
00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:01,786
Oh, you got anything stronger?
676
00:27:01,787 --> 00:27:04,330
Fine.
I'll just take a glass.
677
00:27:04,331 --> 00:27:06,374
OK, I'll, just...
I'll have nothing, actually.
678
00:27:06,375 --> 00:27:08,167
No fun for me.
679
00:27:08,168 --> 00:27:11,963
Yeah, that was
my first big movie role.
680
00:27:11,964 --> 00:27:15,633
Well, my only one, really.
681
00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:18,511
Rich was so excited
when I told him I booked it.
682
00:27:18,512 --> 00:27:20,471
He helped me run lines.
683
00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:22,056
Did Rich buy in
to the Malaphus mythology?
684
00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:23,724
No.
685
00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:25,726
Weirdly, given all
the conspiracies that Rich
686
00:27:25,727 --> 00:27:28,896
believed in,
he was a total atheist.
687
00:27:28,897 --> 00:27:30,815
But I wouldn't have
blamed him after everything
688
00:27:30,816 --> 00:27:32,358
that happened on that shoot.
689
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,069
Like what?
690
00:27:35,362 --> 00:27:37,280
Before production wrapped,
691
00:27:37,281 --> 00:27:39,282
the DP was paralyzed
driving to set.
692
00:27:39,283 --> 00:27:41,826
A stunt person had
his leg amputated.
693
00:27:41,827 --> 00:27:43,703
There were divorces, bankruptcies.
694
00:27:43,704 --> 00:27:45,246
Careers ended.
695
00:27:45,247 --> 00:27:49,292
One of the actors even died
in his hotel room.
696
00:27:49,293 --> 00:27:51,252
People say the production
was cursed.
697
00:27:51,253 --> 00:27:53,671
- What about you?
What do you believe?
698
00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:57,967
I believe the real curse
was the director.
699
00:27:57,968 --> 00:28:00,887
He was a reckless maniac that
didn't know how to run a set.
700
00:28:00,888 --> 00:28:03,472
- Cut.
Cut!
701
00:28:03,473 --> 00:28:05,850
Arthur! Arthur!
702
00:28:05,851 --> 00:28:09,729
Your strangulation,
it has to be real.
703
00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:11,898
I wanna feel the life
draining from him.
704
00:28:11,899 --> 00:28:15,610
You, you... you cannot move
from your position,
705
00:28:15,611 --> 00:28:17,320
Not even an inch.
706
00:28:17,321 --> 00:28:21,574
Guys, this ritual is
extremely specific.
707
00:28:21,575 --> 00:28:23,659
OK?
Let's go again.
708
00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:25,244
OK, I thought I was
choking you pretty well.
709
00:28:25,245 --> 00:28:26,704
I'm sorry.
710
00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:27,538
OK, I'm gonna choke you
a little harder.
711
00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:29,332
Ready?
712
00:28:29,333 --> 00:28:31,334
Douglas was real touchy
about the religious stuff.
713
00:28:31,335 --> 00:28:33,628
I guess he had grown up
in some sort of commune,
714
00:28:33,629 --> 00:28:36,547
and this was all based on
stories he was told growing up.
715
00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:38,966
OK, but what I heard
is that they accidentally
716
00:28:38,967 --> 00:28:40,885
summoned Malaphus for real.
717
00:28:40,886 --> 00:28:42,595
The director found
some ancient tome
718
00:28:42,596 --> 00:28:45,973
and inserted the incantation
and rituals verbatim.
719
00:28:45,974 --> 00:28:47,350
Ooh, I love that.
720
00:28:47,351 --> 00:28:48,851
And that's what got me thinking
721
00:28:48,852 --> 00:28:50,561
about the penny killings.
722
00:28:50,562 --> 00:28:53,481
We found the first victim
just a little under 300 days
723
00:28:53,482 --> 00:28:55,524
after the summoning ritual
was filmed.
724
00:28:55,525 --> 00:28:57,818
We knew Rich was aware
of the Malaphus legends.
725
00:28:57,819 --> 00:28:59,737
It was only natural
to link them.
726
00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:01,864
So Rich thought the penny
victims were killed by people
727
00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:03,658
trying to stop Malaphus.
728
00:29:03,659 --> 00:29:05,952
Was he able to identify
any of these killers?
729
00:29:05,953 --> 00:29:07,162
We know he tried.
730
00:29:08,538 --> 00:29:10,206
- Hi.
- Hey. How are you?
731
00:29:10,207 --> 00:29:12,583
Jared.
- Hello. Wow.
732
00:29:12,584 --> 00:29:15,211
Um, it's a... it's a pleasure
to meet you, gentlemen.
733
00:29:15,212 --> 00:29:16,629
Pleasure to meet you too.
734
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:18,130
Why don't you tell us
about yourselves?
735
00:29:18,131 --> 00:29:22,760
Yeah, we, uh, co-starred
on a TV show together
736
00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,137
for 15 seasons
737
00:29:25,138 --> 00:29:26,889
called "Supernatural."
738
00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:29,058
Yeah, we played Sam
and Dean Winchester,
739
00:29:29,059 --> 00:29:32,895
brothers that, you know,
tracked and fought
740
00:29:32,896 --> 00:29:34,855
supernatural beings.
741
00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:36,524
- Like "K-Pop Demon Hunters."
- No.
742
00:29:36,525 --> 00:29:37,817
No, not like that.
743
00:29:37,818 --> 00:29:39,652
I mean, kind of like that.
744
00:29:39,653 --> 00:29:40,861
- No.
- Yeah.
745
00:29:40,862 --> 00:29:43,197
OK, can you tell us
about your encounter
746
00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:44,991
with Rich Rowley?
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
747
00:29:44,992 --> 00:29:46,701
Rich Rowley.
748
00:29:46,702 --> 00:29:51,372
He came to a fan event we did
last year at MonsterCon.
749
00:29:51,373 --> 00:29:52,832
Yeah, you know,
most people show up,
750
00:29:52,833 --> 00:29:57,044
and they just want
an autograph or a photo.
751
00:29:57,045 --> 00:30:00,631
But Rich was a bit of
a different beast altogether.
752
00:30:00,632 --> 00:30:02,842
Yeah, yeah,
he was... he was super
753
00:30:02,843 --> 00:30:05,011
fixated on this one
particular episode
754
00:30:05,012 --> 00:30:07,388
where we fought a demon.
- Malaphus.
755
00:30:07,389 --> 00:30:09,557
Yeah, uh, that one.
756
00:30:09,558 --> 00:30:14,103
Anyway he seemed to think
we, like, knew more
757
00:30:14,104 --> 00:30:15,938
about it than we were saying.
758
00:30:15,939 --> 00:30:16,689
More about what?
759
00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:18,566
Demon hunting.
760
00:30:18,567 --> 00:30:21,652
He kept, like, asking these
super pointed questions,
761
00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:23,863
like... like he was,
I don't know,
762
00:30:23,864 --> 00:30:25,031
testing us or something.
763
00:30:25,032 --> 00:30:27,241
- Did you have an answer?
- No.
764
00:30:27,242 --> 00:30:28,534
No, I mean, we didn't...
765
00:30:28,535 --> 00:30:30,161
we didn't come up
with these stories.
766
00:30:30,162 --> 00:30:31,829
You know, we just did
what the writers wrote.
767
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:33,372
It's called acting.
768
00:30:33,373 --> 00:30:35,583
There's no actual
demon hunters in real life.
769
00:30:35,584 --> 00:30:36,751
Exactly.
770
00:30:36,752 --> 00:30:38,669
Uh, that's not exactly true.
771
00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:40,838
There is at least one.
772
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:44,675
And it actually connected
to the movie.
773
00:30:44,676 --> 00:30:46,635
We heard the director
brought a priest named
774
00:30:46,636 --> 00:30:48,679
Father Simon McCabe
to bless the set
775
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,014
every day before filming.
776
00:30:50,015 --> 00:30:51,640
Well, it was either that
or the whole crew
777
00:30:51,641 --> 00:30:53,225
was going to walk.
778
00:30:53,226 --> 00:30:56,354
Does that name
mean anything to you?
779
00:30:56,355 --> 00:30:57,772
About 15 years ago.
780
00:30:57,773 --> 00:31:00,232
Lopez and I had just finished
our rookie years.
781
00:31:00,233 --> 00:31:02,568
We responded to a call
at a house.
782
00:31:02,569 --> 00:31:05,112
Priest doing an exorcism
with a 16-year-old girl.
783
00:31:05,113 --> 00:31:06,238
Had been going on
for three days.
784
00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:09,075
Father, no.
785
00:31:09,076 --> 00:31:11,827
Police!
786
00:31:11,828 --> 00:31:13,454
Help her!
787
00:31:13,455 --> 00:31:15,664
Please!
788
00:31:21,088 --> 00:31:24,465
Get away from her!
789
00:31:24,466 --> 00:31:28,219
Father, forgive me.
790
00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:37,728
Did you feel like
you'd seen the devil?
791
00:31:37,729 --> 00:31:38,938
The only thing in that room
that belonged in hell
792
00:31:38,939 --> 00:31:42,108
was Father Simon.
- He kept saying he had to.
793
00:31:42,109 --> 00:31:44,443
The whole way to the station,
"I'm sorry, I had to.
794
00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:45,945
I'm sorry, I had to."
795
00:31:45,946 --> 00:31:47,822
Because he believed
she was possessed?
796
00:31:47,823 --> 00:31:49,323
She had a brain tumor.
797
00:31:49,324 --> 00:31:51,867
That's what they found
after the autopsy.
798
00:31:51,868 --> 00:31:53,911
She needed a doctor,
not an exorcism.
799
00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:56,413
And he wasn't a man of God.
He was a killer.
800
00:31:56,414 --> 00:31:58,124
The courts agreed.
801
00:31:58,125 --> 00:32:01,043
So Father Simon was convicted
of first-degree murder.
802
00:32:01,044 --> 00:32:03,504
When we processed him,
we found a penny in his pocket.
803
00:32:03,505 --> 00:32:05,089
Nothing else, just a penny.
804
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:06,423
It didn't mean anything
at the time,
805
00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:08,467
but after Rich connected
those seven murders,
806
00:32:08,468 --> 00:32:10,386
it seemed likely
he was involved.
807
00:32:10,387 --> 00:32:12,304
Involved like, he killed them?
808
00:32:12,305 --> 00:32:14,807
No, Simon was already
in prison when five
809
00:32:14,808 --> 00:32:17,268
of the murders took place,
and his DNA didn't match
810
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:19,311
any that was found
on the corpses.
811
00:32:19,312 --> 00:32:21,480
But he could have been part
of whatever group
812
00:32:21,481 --> 00:32:23,357
Rich was so afraid of.
813
00:32:23,358 --> 00:32:25,609
Which means he knew more
than he had told us.
814
00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:27,987
So we had to go back.
815
00:32:27,988 --> 00:32:30,781
Officers, I remember you.
816
00:32:30,782 --> 00:32:32,616
You... you were the ones
who tried to stop the ritual.
817
00:32:32,617 --> 00:32:34,368
Just wish we would
have gotten here sooner.
818
00:32:34,369 --> 00:32:35,911
Becca Scott
might still be alive.
819
00:32:35,912 --> 00:32:38,372
Oh, she was long gone
before you arrived.
820
00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:40,791
The demon saw to that.
- Malaphus?
821
00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:42,376
Shh.
822
00:32:42,377 --> 00:32:44,670
Do not say its name
in my presence.
823
00:32:44,671 --> 00:32:47,590
What, are you afraid we
might accidentally summon it?
824
00:32:47,591 --> 00:32:50,301
You may scorn me and my beliefs,
825
00:32:50,302 --> 00:32:52,178
but I have fought this evil.
826
00:32:52,179 --> 00:32:54,346
I know enough to fear its power.
827
00:32:54,347 --> 00:32:56,891
What's more evil
than murdering a child?
828
00:32:56,892 --> 00:32:59,351
I took no pleasure in the act.
829
00:32:59,352 --> 00:33:01,061
I'm grateful I had the courage
to do what was necessary.
830
00:33:01,062 --> 00:33:02,646
Courage?
831
00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:05,232
Tell us about the penny
that was in your pocket.
832
00:33:05,233 --> 00:33:07,234
In the movie "300 Days of Hell",
833
00:33:07,235 --> 00:33:09,320
Malaphus is sealed inside
his host with copper
834
00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:11,030
before he can be killed...
835
00:33:11,031 --> 00:33:13,115
Uh, banished, not killed.
836
00:33:13,116 --> 00:33:14,867
What's the difference?
837
00:33:14,868 --> 00:33:18,037
The demon is a parasite.
838
00:33:18,038 --> 00:33:19,580
It needs a host.
839
00:33:19,581 --> 00:33:21,373
Once you kill the body
that inhabits it,
840
00:33:21,374 --> 00:33:23,209
it'll find a new one.
841
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:27,046
Becca Scott was just a single
battle in a larger war.
842
00:33:27,047 --> 00:33:31,383
If you're in here,
who's doing the fighting now?
843
00:33:31,384 --> 00:33:33,677
The Knights of Avila.
844
00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:35,679
Los Angeles has a long history
845
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,265
of spiritualism,
esoteric religions
846
00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:39,850
that go back over 100 years.
847
00:33:39,851 --> 00:33:42,728
So think Aleister Crowley,
Jack Parsons,
848
00:33:42,729 --> 00:33:44,730
L. Ron Hubbard.
- He freaking loves this stuff.
849
00:33:44,731 --> 00:33:46,315
I do.
850
00:33:46,316 --> 00:33:48,275
Anyway, a lot of these groups
started out
851
00:33:48,276 --> 00:33:50,986
as fraternal orders,
similar to the Freemasons,
852
00:33:50,987 --> 00:33:52,947
where people would gather
and... and... share...
853
00:33:52,948 --> 00:33:54,240
- Men.
- Well, yeah.
854
00:33:54,241 --> 00:33:56,700
Yes, and...
and some women.
855
00:33:56,701 --> 00:33:59,828
And they would share new ideas,
explore philosophies.
856
00:33:59,829 --> 00:34:02,915
They also liked partying,
doing drugs,
857
00:34:02,916 --> 00:34:05,501
and performing
weird sex rituals.
858
00:34:05,502 --> 00:34:08,128
Sign me up.
859
00:34:08,129 --> 00:34:11,506
For the intellectual exchanging
of ideas, obviously.
860
00:34:11,507 --> 00:34:12,925
So the Knights of Avila
is one of these groups?
861
00:34:12,926 --> 00:34:14,677
It was.
862
00:34:14,678 --> 00:34:16,303
Like a lot of the similar
organizations at the time,
863
00:34:16,304 --> 00:34:17,846
it fell apart
when the founder died.
864
00:34:17,847 --> 00:34:18,930
It hasn't been active in...
865
00:34:18,931 --> 00:34:20,640
60 years?
866
00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:22,560
Then what was
Father Simon talking about?
867
00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:25,562
Based on Tim and Lopez's
conversation with Father Simon,
868
00:34:25,563 --> 00:34:27,398
we began to believe
that the group,
869
00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:29,858
or at least the name,
870
00:34:29,859 --> 00:34:32,361
had been revived
sometime in the late '90s
871
00:34:32,362 --> 00:34:35,238
to the early 2000s
and re-branded
872
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,158
as some kind of
demon hunting cult.
873
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,494
So Rich was actually right.
874
00:34:40,495 --> 00:34:42,663
There was a murderous cabal
after him.
875
00:34:42,664 --> 00:34:43,955
It seemed that way,
876
00:34:43,956 --> 00:34:46,082
and we were getting close
877
00:34:46,083 --> 00:34:48,294
to discovering
who their ringleader was.
878
00:34:48,295 --> 00:34:51,213
I found him.
879
00:34:51,214 --> 00:34:53,465
- Found who?
- Doug Roberts.
880
00:34:53,466 --> 00:34:55,509
I wanna feel
the life draining from him!
881
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:57,136
Oh, you mean the director
of the sad little demon porn?
882
00:34:57,137 --> 00:34:58,512
Where?
883
00:34:58,513 --> 00:35:00,097
I was going through
some old industry trades
884
00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:02,641
from around the time "THDOH"
was slated to come out.
885
00:35:02,642 --> 00:35:04,852
One of the articles
mentioned that Roberts
886
00:35:04,853 --> 00:35:06,020
was a client
of Stewart Winecliff
887
00:35:06,021 --> 00:35:07,646
at the Golden Talent Agency.
888
00:35:07,647 --> 00:35:09,273
The guy hasn't made
a movie in 26 years.
889
00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:10,566
I doubt they still rep him.
890
00:35:10,567 --> 00:35:12,526
Not actively, no.
891
00:35:12,527 --> 00:35:14,403
But I called their offices,
and I bribed...
892
00:35:14,404 --> 00:35:16,572
or like, I talked one of
the assistants into giving me
893
00:35:16,573 --> 00:35:18,282
the address where
his residual checks are sent.
894
00:35:18,283 --> 00:35:19,867
It's downtown.
Let's go.
895
00:35:19,868 --> 00:35:21,577
Uh, hold on.
896
00:35:21,578 --> 00:35:23,037
You just wanna go
doorstep the guy?
897
00:35:23,038 --> 00:35:24,288
If that means go knock on a door
898
00:35:24,289 --> 00:35:25,914
while also filming, then yes.
899
00:35:25,915 --> 00:35:28,125
Yeah, I'm not in the business
of gotcha journalism.
900
00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:31,211
What about the business
of making that paper?
901
00:35:31,212 --> 00:35:32,713
The guap?
902
00:35:32,714 --> 00:35:34,590
Money, guy.
903
00:35:34,591 --> 00:35:36,842
Come on, the doc business
is over-saturated these days.
904
00:35:36,843 --> 00:35:39,386
We need footage that P-O-Ps,
905
00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:40,846
and what pops more
than blindsiding
906
00:35:40,847 --> 00:35:43,349
a potential cult leader?
907
00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:44,391
Come on.
908
00:35:44,392 --> 00:35:46,018
What's the worst
that could happen?
909
00:35:47,562 --> 00:35:50,189
This is it.
- OK.
910
00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:52,024
- Um, here.
Here's your camera.
911
00:35:52,025 --> 00:35:53,901
Um, I don't operate.
912
00:35:53,902 --> 00:35:54,985
Oh, well.
913
00:35:57,781 --> 00:36:01,325
Now, you do.
914
00:36:01,326 --> 00:36:03,619
Let's go.
915
00:36:03,620 --> 00:36:06,205
- What floor is it on?
- Eight.
916
00:36:06,206 --> 00:36:08,624
But there's an elevator.
Don't worry.
917
00:36:14,506 --> 00:36:17,675
- Are you sure it's that way?
- Yep.
918
00:36:17,676 --> 00:36:19,301
Nope.
919
00:36:19,302 --> 00:36:22,721
You know, at the risk of
being called a scaredy cat,
920
00:36:22,722 --> 00:36:24,723
you do understand
that this is inherently
921
00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:27,267
neither a wise
nor safe activity?
922
00:36:27,268 --> 00:36:29,478
You're asking a woman
if she understands
923
00:36:29,479 --> 00:36:33,107
that it's inherently dangerous
to go anywhere or do anything?
924
00:36:33,108 --> 00:36:35,984
When you put it that way,
I sound like an ass.
925
00:36:35,985 --> 00:36:37,069
Yeah.
926
00:36:39,697 --> 00:36:41,240
Maybe we should come back?
927
00:36:41,241 --> 00:36:43,659
Hey. Hello.
928
00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:45,411
Douglas Roberts,
we're here to question you
929
00:36:45,412 --> 00:36:47,621
about murders and demons.
930
00:36:47,622 --> 00:36:49,873
That should get his attention.
931
00:36:49,874 --> 00:36:51,500
Oh.
932
00:36:51,501 --> 00:36:53,878
I am just an intern.
933
00:36:58,758 --> 00:37:02,344
So clearly we're not
deceased, which means...
934
00:37:02,345 --> 00:37:03,929
We saved you from certain death.
935
00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:05,347
I'm not sure
how certain it was, right?
936
00:37:05,348 --> 00:37:06,974
Oh, it felt
pretty certain to me.
937
00:37:06,975 --> 00:37:08,392
Please don't kill us.
938
00:37:08,393 --> 00:37:09,893
We will join your cult.
Is there a membership fee
939
00:37:09,894 --> 00:37:11,520
or a secret handshake?
940
00:37:11,521 --> 00:37:12,771
I love a secret handshake.
- Ignore her.
941
00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:14,273
She's not right in the head.
942
00:37:14,274 --> 00:37:16,066
In fact, she has
short-term memory issues.
943
00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:17,860
So if you let her go now,
she won't remember any of this.
944
00:37:17,861 --> 00:37:19,653
- Just shut up.
No one's going anywhere.
945
00:37:19,654 --> 00:37:20,904
I mean, technically,
we're all going somewhere.
946
00:37:25,493 --> 00:37:27,911
- All right, let them go.
Put your hands up.
947
00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:31,540
Up against the Jeep, now.
Let's go.
948
00:37:36,337 --> 00:37:38,589
Oh, hey.
949
00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:41,175
Thanks for trying to save me,
even though
950
00:37:41,176 --> 00:37:42,968
I'm the one
who put us in danger.
951
00:37:42,969 --> 00:37:44,678
No problem.
952
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:46,680
I was about to do
the same thing, but you just
953
00:37:46,681 --> 00:37:48,223
beat me to it.
954
00:37:48,224 --> 00:37:50,434
I can be noble, too.
- No doubt.
955
00:37:50,435 --> 00:37:52,644
Uh, I get very claustrophobic.
956
00:37:52,645 --> 00:37:54,730
Can I just point out how
claustrophobic I get, please?
957
00:37:54,731 --> 00:37:57,149
So when did you
and Douglas meet?
958
00:37:57,150 --> 00:37:58,484
In the movie.
959
00:37:58,485 --> 00:38:02,237
He was, you know,
so commanding and driven
960
00:38:02,238 --> 00:38:04,114
and everything I wasn't.
961
00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:06,283
When did he start talking
about killing the demon?
962
00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:08,577
It was, uh, at least
a year after that.
963
00:38:08,578 --> 00:38:11,246
He would call me late at night
964
00:38:11,247 --> 00:38:13,332
and talk about the demon
and how scared
965
00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:14,875
he was for the world,
966
00:38:14,876 --> 00:38:17,503
and eventually
it started to make sense.
967
00:38:17,504 --> 00:38:20,672
And he told you that
someone was possessed?
968
00:38:20,673 --> 00:38:22,633
- Correct.
Her name was Cynthia.
969
00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:24,301
Um,
970
00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:27,179
she cried when I tied her up,
and she kept saying
971
00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:29,598
that she was not a demon.
972
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:31,392
She begged me
to believe her, and...
973
00:38:35,605 --> 00:38:38,816
At that point,
he was very deep in my head.
974
00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:41,235
And then tonight,
you know, all the lies
975
00:38:41,236 --> 00:38:43,403
he was spewing at the end,
976
00:38:43,404 --> 00:38:45,239
it was like somebody
turned on a light switch.
977
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,866
I could just see him
for who he was.
978
00:38:47,867 --> 00:38:49,452
So pathetic.
979
00:38:52,455 --> 00:38:54,999
We'll need you to write up
a detailed confession.
980
00:38:59,712 --> 00:39:01,464
I would like to make a deal.
981
00:39:03,174 --> 00:39:05,759
Uh, we have already located
your co-conspirators.
982
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,929
You don't really have
anything to offer.
983
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:12,057
You don't want to know what
an alien spaceship looks like?
984
00:39:13,726 --> 00:39:17,479
I am all that stands between
the world
985
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,064
and damnation.
986
00:39:19,065 --> 00:39:20,941
So all of the people
that you had targeted,
987
00:39:20,942 --> 00:39:24,736
they had to die
for the greater good?
988
00:39:24,737 --> 00:39:28,490
Yes, and my heart breaks
for each of them.
989
00:39:28,491 --> 00:39:31,535
But I will not let innocents
fall to perdition.
990
00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:33,662
OK, have you had
your fill of BS?
991
00:39:33,663 --> 00:39:34,830
God, yes.
992
00:39:34,831 --> 00:39:35,914
OK, me, too.
993
00:39:35,915 --> 00:39:40,294
So, uh, first victim,
Cynthia Green.
994
00:39:40,295 --> 00:39:42,546
You dated for two years
before she cheated on you.
995
00:39:42,547 --> 00:39:45,507
Marcus Ford, he worked as
a teamster on your movie,
996
00:39:45,508 --> 00:39:48,302
then later sued you
for nonpayment.
997
00:39:48,303 --> 00:39:52,556
Pamela Jones wrote a scathing
review of your movie.
998
00:39:52,557 --> 00:39:53,724
Really? I...
999
00:39:53,725 --> 00:39:55,809
I had no idea.
1000
00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:59,187
All seven victims were people
who wronged you in some way.
1001
00:39:59,188 --> 00:40:01,064
You don't even believe
in the demon.
1002
00:40:01,065 --> 00:40:03,108
You just used it as a tool
to get people with weak minds
1003
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:04,986
to do your dirty work for you.
1004
00:40:07,113 --> 00:40:08,906
Exactly.
1005
00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:10,532
I was the director.
1006
00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:12,826
I think you'll find
I never laid a finger
1007
00:40:12,827 --> 00:40:14,661
on any of the victims.
1008
00:40:14,662 --> 00:40:18,123
And I think you will find
that Manson died in prison.
1009
00:40:20,293 --> 00:40:21,835
All right.
1010
00:40:21,836 --> 00:40:23,337
Uh, anything else?
1011
00:40:23,338 --> 00:40:25,255
No, I think we got everything.
1012
00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,382
OK.
1013
00:40:27,383 --> 00:40:29,718
That was a crazy one, huh?
- Tell me about it.
1014
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,887
And look, thanks so much
for all of your time,
1015
00:40:31,888 --> 00:40:33,513
and for saving our lives.
1016
00:40:33,514 --> 00:40:35,057
Anything for
my favorite documentarian.
1017
00:40:35,058 --> 00:40:36,350
Actually, the only
documentarian I know.
1018
00:40:36,351 --> 00:40:37,434
Not true.
1019
00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:39,645
I'm a documentarian too.
- Of course.
1020
00:40:39,646 --> 00:40:42,522
Yes... oh, speaking of,
how did this whole
1021
00:40:42,523 --> 00:40:44,524
working together thing go?
1022
00:40:44,525 --> 00:40:46,777
Is this the start of
a beautiful friendship?
1023
00:40:46,778 --> 00:40:48,487
I don't know.
1024
00:40:48,488 --> 00:40:50,197
I mean, we have
very different styles
1025
00:40:50,198 --> 00:40:52,699
and instincts and, well,
basically everything,
1026
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:55,161
but I'd be open
to another collaboration.
1027
00:40:57,330 --> 00:41:00,415
Oh, um, it's just I...
1028
00:41:00,416 --> 00:41:03,543
I kind of signed an exclusive
three-film deal with Hulu?
1029
00:41:03,544 --> 00:41:05,629
What?
1030
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:07,381
Yeah, I... I sent them
a sizzle reel of this project,
1031
00:41:07,382 --> 00:41:10,258
just the me parts,
and they freaked.
1032
00:41:10,259 --> 00:41:11,968
Said I'm gonna be
"the new face of true crime."
1033
00:41:11,969 --> 00:41:13,553
Their words.
- Wow.
1034
00:41:13,554 --> 00:41:15,931
I mean, you'd probably be able
to bring him along,
1035
00:41:15,932 --> 00:41:16,974
though, right?
1036
00:41:16,975 --> 00:41:19,893
- Oh, totally.
Totally.
1037
00:41:21,771 --> 00:41:25,482
I gotta go, but thanks again.
Hello.
1038
00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:28,151
No, I said Toronto
and then Cannes.
1039
00:41:30,113 --> 00:41:32,114
She'll probably call you.
1040
00:41:32,115 --> 00:41:33,115
No.
1041
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,196
Damn it.
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