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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,267 Sometimes we're all a little careless. 2 00:00:46,392 --> 00:00:48,600 Me dead. Oh! 3 00:00:49,975 --> 00:00:52,391 And tell these dickheads in the embassy 4 00:00:52,392 --> 00:00:54,641 to just give me simple sentences. 5 00:00:54,642 --> 00:00:56,849 I'm on a prescription drug 6 00:00:56,850 --> 00:01:01,182 and they say certain things may happen to you if you drink 7 00:01:01,183 --> 00:01:04,016 and they were absolutely 100% right. 8 00:01:14,392 --> 00:01:17,474 Politics can be a bruising sport. 9 00:01:23,933 --> 00:01:26,766 In countries all over the world, 10 00:01:26,767 --> 00:01:29,266 populations are getting older. 11 00:01:29,267 --> 00:01:31,516 Some countries provide good care 12 00:01:31,517 --> 00:01:33,724 for their ageing populations. 13 00:01:33,725 --> 00:01:35,307 Many countries are worried 14 00:01:35,308 --> 00:01:38,974 about the rapid increase in the number of old people. 15 00:01:38,975 --> 00:01:42,558 It's a problem that gets bigger every year. 16 00:01:43,058 --> 00:01:45,724 In Australia, governments seem to think 17 00:01:45,725 --> 00:01:49,891 that old people and their care don't win elections. 18 00:01:49,892 --> 00:01:53,683 But what's it like to be an older Australian? 19 00:01:54,308 --> 00:01:57,642 If we're lucky, this will be us one day. 20 00:02:05,392 --> 00:02:08,349 Let's go into the kitchen and make a cup of tea. 21 00:02:08,350 --> 00:02:13,058 Oh, yeah. I'm gonna need some help, I think. 22 00:02:16,350 --> 00:02:17,932 Yeah. 23 00:02:17,933 --> 00:02:20,599 See, it's because I... I'm not concentrating. 24 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,308 It's all right. 25 00:02:22,725 --> 00:02:24,557 I don't know whether I can. 26 00:02:24,558 --> 00:02:27,557 - You'll have to pull me up. - Oh, okay. Sorry. 27 00:02:27,558 --> 00:02:29,517 - Oh! - Yep, yep, yep. 28 00:02:30,558 --> 00:02:33,391 - There I am. - Oh, we did it! 29 00:02:33,392 --> 00:02:35,391 How's your arm? 30 00:02:35,392 --> 00:02:38,724 Okay, are we stable? 31 00:02:38,725 --> 00:02:40,432 Yes, I'm stable now. 32 00:02:40,433 --> 00:02:43,516 Just stand and look ahead and just take a breather. 33 00:02:43,517 --> 00:02:45,724 Oh, my goodness. That was full-on. 34 00:02:45,725 --> 00:02:48,766 Oh, you poor girl. I'm so sorry. 35 00:02:48,767 --> 00:02:50,850 No, it's fine! 36 00:02:52,308 --> 00:02:54,307 - Yeah, bash up your daughter. - Normally... 37 00:02:54,308 --> 00:02:56,724 Yeah, just you watch what you're doing on your feet. 38 00:02:56,725 --> 00:02:58,142 Yes. 39 00:03:01,100 --> 00:03:04,932 So did you ever imagine that you would end up 40 00:03:04,933 --> 00:03:07,641 having to consider going into aged care? 41 00:03:07,642 --> 00:03:11,974 Never. Never, never in my wildest dreams. 42 00:03:11,975 --> 00:03:13,392 Why? 43 00:03:14,433 --> 00:03:20,432 Because it was like a black mark against you 44 00:03:20,433 --> 00:03:25,307 if someone had to go into a nursing home 45 00:03:25,308 --> 00:03:27,308 when they had family. 46 00:03:28,350 --> 00:03:30,350 It was all on the families. 47 00:03:31,142 --> 00:03:33,641 I think that's a good point, to be honest. 48 00:03:33,642 --> 00:03:37,100 Do you know, that's why I'm making a film about it. 49 00:03:37,225 --> 00:03:40,766 It was nice meeting you guys. 50 00:03:40,767 --> 00:03:44,724 You might make a fortune out of this, you know? 51 00:03:47,100 --> 00:03:51,307 Then you'll be careful! 52 00:03:51,308 --> 00:03:53,058 Oh, dear. 53 00:03:55,267 --> 00:03:58,516 So thanks for doing whatever it is you do. 54 00:04:57,683 --> 00:05:00,475 You just walk behind me, dear. 55 00:05:03,183 --> 00:05:05,974 Do you know your My Aged Care number? 56 00:05:05,975 --> 00:05:07,224 No. 57 00:05:07,225 --> 00:05:11,307 And what about myGov? Do you know how to access that? 58 00:05:11,308 --> 00:05:15,724 MyGov? Well, ask the operator. 59 00:05:15,725 --> 00:05:18,850 Okay, here. We can ring My Aged Care. 60 00:05:19,517 --> 00:05:21,349 Why are you ringing them? 61 00:05:21,350 --> 00:05:24,682 'Cause we've gotta ask them about your respite... 62 00:05:24,683 --> 00:05:26,225 Oh. 63 00:05:27,392 --> 00:05:29,141 ...and see if they can help us. 64 00:05:29,142 --> 00:05:31,099 Welcome to My Aged Care. 65 00:05:31,100 --> 00:05:34,182 Our calls are recorded for training and quality purposes. 66 00:05:34,183 --> 00:05:36,807 If you do not wish for your call to be recorded, 67 00:05:36,808 --> 00:05:39,349 please advise your contact center agent. 68 00:05:53,183 --> 00:05:55,224 When you had to become a single mum, 69 00:05:55,225 --> 00:05:58,349 when Dad and you separated, was that hard? 70 00:05:58,350 --> 00:06:00,057 Oh, terribly. 71 00:06:00,058 --> 00:06:03,724 That hurt me because I wanted my children 72 00:06:03,725 --> 00:06:06,474 to be brought up by the same people 73 00:06:06,475 --> 00:06:10,058 and live a very ordinary life. 74 00:06:12,558 --> 00:06:15,724 On the whole, my life has been all right, 75 00:06:15,725 --> 00:06:22,141 but old age is nothing to be pleased about, in my opinion. 76 00:06:31,308 --> 00:06:34,683 It was better to be an older person in the '50s. 77 00:06:35,558 --> 00:06:38,183 At least that's what I think. 78 00:06:40,100 --> 00:06:44,183 Governments used to take better care of older people. 79 00:06:45,225 --> 00:06:47,392 That's how I remember it. 80 00:06:55,308 --> 00:06:58,766 I think it probably changed at the end of the '60s 81 00:06:58,767 --> 00:07:01,182 and there was a rapid increase 82 00:07:01,183 --> 00:07:03,224 in for-profit providers 83 00:07:03,225 --> 00:07:06,057 and they really were interested in the money. 84 00:07:17,350 --> 00:07:19,807 Hello. 85 00:07:19,808 --> 00:07:21,432 - Hello. - Hi. 86 00:07:21,433 --> 00:07:23,183 I'll let you in now. 87 00:07:29,683 --> 00:07:33,474 Mum, remember I told you the idea that I had 88 00:07:33,475 --> 00:07:35,599 of getting young people 89 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,266 to narrate a film about old people? 90 00:07:38,267 --> 00:07:40,307 - Yes. - So these three 91 00:07:40,308 --> 00:07:42,849 have been part of the narration team, 92 00:07:42,850 --> 00:07:46,557 - 'cause there's a few people doing it. - Well done, girls. Well done. 93 00:07:46,558 --> 00:07:49,724 - And do you have grannies? - Yes. 94 00:07:49,725 --> 00:07:51,682 And how old are they? 95 00:07:51,683 --> 00:07:54,307 My gran is around 72. 96 00:07:54,308 --> 00:07:55,891 Oh, that's good. 97 00:07:55,892 --> 00:07:57,974 I'm much older than that. 98 00:07:57,975 --> 00:07:59,641 Well, how old are you, Mum? 99 00:07:59,642 --> 00:08:05,057 I'm, um, 80... 89. 100 00:08:05,058 --> 00:08:07,349 Are you going to be in the film? 101 00:08:07,350 --> 00:08:08,641 Yes. 102 00:08:08,642 --> 00:08:11,016 Oh, well done. 103 00:08:11,017 --> 00:08:12,599 - Thanks. - Thank you. 104 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,891 Absolutely marvelous. And I'm sure you'll star. 105 00:08:23,808 --> 00:08:27,307 Once upon a time, a Labor prime minister was elected. 106 00:08:31,183 --> 00:08:34,224 His government decided to do things differently. 107 00:08:34,225 --> 00:08:38,057 They wanted to work closely with the business community. 108 00:08:38,058 --> 00:08:40,932 We are about a fundamental change 109 00:08:40,933 --> 00:08:42,932 in the way government operates 110 00:08:42,933 --> 00:08:44,849 and the way it cooperates 111 00:08:44,850 --> 00:08:48,141 with important sectors of the Australian community. 112 00:08:48,142 --> 00:08:51,266 Hawke's treasurer was a man named Paul. 113 00:08:51,267 --> 00:08:54,891 We were not trying to run prosperity 114 00:08:54,892 --> 00:08:56,766 out of the Commonwealth budget. 115 00:08:56,767 --> 00:08:59,974 Rather, we wanted to employ the markets 116 00:08:59,975 --> 00:09:02,807 to make the whole economic pie larger. 117 00:09:02,808 --> 00:09:04,557 From Keating onwards, 118 00:09:04,558 --> 00:09:07,642 you've got the march of neoliberal groupthink. 119 00:09:08,767 --> 00:09:10,432 Governments come and go. 120 00:09:10,433 --> 00:09:13,641 Then, a Liberal named John became prime minister. 121 00:09:13,642 --> 00:09:16,974 He decided to do things differently. 122 00:09:26,683 --> 00:09:30,141 Welcome to our show-and-tell on the Aged Care Act. 123 00:09:30,142 --> 00:09:32,391 To begin our presentation on ageing, 124 00:09:32,392 --> 00:09:36,891 we're going to read a bit from the 1997 Australian Aged Care Act. 125 00:09:39,975 --> 00:09:42,724 "The objects of this act are as follows." 126 00:09:42,725 --> 00:09:44,932 "To provide for funding of aged care 127 00:09:44,933 --> 00:09:48,641 - that takes account of..." - "The quality of the care..." 128 00:09:48,642 --> 00:09:51,849 "The need to ensure access to care that is affordable..." 129 00:09:51,850 --> 00:09:55,099 "And appropriate to the needs of the people who require it." 130 00:09:55,100 --> 00:09:57,891 Basically, what the government is saying here 131 00:09:57,892 --> 00:10:00,682 is every older person will have access 132 00:10:00,683 --> 00:10:03,432 to affordable aged care as they grow old. 133 00:10:04,642 --> 00:10:06,599 In reading the Aged Care Bill, 134 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,516 it would appear that nursing homes 135 00:10:08,517 --> 00:10:12,141 have disappeared and vanished from the face of this earth. 136 00:10:12,142 --> 00:10:15,849 George Orwell would be proud of this bill. 137 00:10:15,850 --> 00:10:20,724 It should be called the Aged Care Bill of 1984, not 1997. 138 00:10:20,725 --> 00:10:22,849 I must point out that there is general agreement 139 00:10:22,850 --> 00:10:24,682 throughout much of the aged care sector 140 00:10:24,683 --> 00:10:26,849 that the lack of capital care funding... 141 00:10:26,850 --> 00:10:28,266 in particular, for nursing homes, 142 00:10:28,267 --> 00:10:30,766 estimated to be approximately 800 million 143 00:10:30,767 --> 00:10:34,641 constitutes nothing less than a crisis which must be urgently addressed. 144 00:10:34,642 --> 00:10:36,766 Say hello to my grandma. 145 00:10:36,767 --> 00:10:38,557 That's not your grandma. 146 00:10:38,558 --> 00:10:41,682 Grandma represents everyone who needs care in Australia. 147 00:10:41,683 --> 00:10:44,849 Before 1997, Grandma and her friends 148 00:10:44,850 --> 00:10:47,682 felt the care was already going downhill. 149 00:10:47,683 --> 00:10:51,057 The government didn't like spending on aged care anymore 150 00:10:51,058 --> 00:10:52,641 and the money they did spend 151 00:10:52,642 --> 00:10:55,557 was incentivizing nursing homes to make money. 152 00:10:55,558 --> 00:10:57,267 Not great for Grandma. 153 00:10:58,350 --> 00:11:01,724 But if Grandma thought things were bad before 1997, 154 00:11:01,725 --> 00:11:03,891 she had another thing coming, 155 00:11:03,892 --> 00:11:07,391 and that thing coming was privatization. 156 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,307 That's where the government said, 157 00:11:11,308 --> 00:11:14,391 "Hey, who wants to make money off Grandma? 158 00:11:14,392 --> 00:11:17,266 We don't want to be responsible for Grandma's care. 159 00:11:17,267 --> 00:11:18,641 You can do it." 160 00:11:18,642 --> 00:11:22,182 So they gave aged care over to private companies 161 00:11:22,183 --> 00:11:24,224 who were very happy about it. 162 00:11:28,017 --> 00:11:29,766 Ageing is an industry 163 00:11:29,767 --> 00:11:33,767 worth over $22 billion a year, and growing. 164 00:11:35,933 --> 00:11:38,141 Today, nursing homes are marketed 165 00:11:38,142 --> 00:11:40,724 more like hotels than hospitals. 166 00:11:40,725 --> 00:11:43,016 The elderly no longer patients, 167 00:11:43,017 --> 00:11:44,267 rather customers. 168 00:11:46,142 --> 00:11:49,057 You don't call most people "consumers." 169 00:11:49,058 --> 00:11:52,391 I think that's quite a demeaning, derogatory term. 170 00:11:52,392 --> 00:11:54,224 Most of the consumer... consumer... 171 00:11:54,225 --> 00:11:55,766 consumer... consumer... consumer... 172 00:11:55,767 --> 00:11:58,057 All consumers are... Consumers... 173 00:11:58,058 --> 00:12:01,016 The thought of them just ordering a glass of wine 174 00:12:01,017 --> 00:12:02,724 or, you know... 175 00:12:02,725 --> 00:12:06,225 I mean, these people are struggling to have their dentures put in. 176 00:12:08,100 --> 00:12:10,974 Well, you're more like selling a cruise. 177 00:12:10,975 --> 00:12:13,349 You're selling a cruise with extra packages. 178 00:12:13,350 --> 00:12:15,432 You're not selling a service 179 00:12:15,433 --> 00:12:18,891 that's keeping your mother, father or whoever 180 00:12:18,892 --> 00:12:21,641 safe, well-looked-after and happy. 181 00:12:21,642 --> 00:12:27,225 You know, it's stuff on top that's fluff. It's fluff. 182 00:12:28,267 --> 00:12:30,141 I think it is fair to say 183 00:12:30,142 --> 00:12:33,391 that we have commodified the elderly in Australia. 184 00:12:33,392 --> 00:12:36,141 They're walking profit targets 185 00:12:36,142 --> 00:12:38,891 when you've got big corporates 186 00:12:38,892 --> 00:12:41,099 who are making a lot of money out of them. 187 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:44,807 The fact that they were able to, you know, release prospectuses 188 00:12:44,808 --> 00:12:48,224 and say, "Hey, literally profit from the elderly," 189 00:12:48,225 --> 00:12:51,683 that was one of their sub headlines, like, it's crazy to me. 190 00:12:54,017 --> 00:12:56,099 John Howard had set the ball rolling 191 00:12:56,100 --> 00:13:00,142 on a system that was dramatically outsourced 192 00:13:00,267 --> 00:13:02,183 but that was suddenly running out of money. 193 00:13:02,308 --> 00:13:05,974 What he basically did was opened it up to the free market. 194 00:13:05,975 --> 00:13:10,266 They are sacrificing older people for the good of the economy. 195 00:13:13,725 --> 00:13:17,516 Many older Australians in residential aged care 196 00:13:17,517 --> 00:13:20,766 are still not getting the minutes of care per day 197 00:13:20,767 --> 00:13:22,182 that they should be. 198 00:13:22,183 --> 00:13:26,849 Advocates say the for-profit sector is most at fault 199 00:13:26,850 --> 00:13:28,557 and there needs to be better scrutiny 200 00:13:28,558 --> 00:13:31,474 on how government funds are being spent. 201 00:13:31,475 --> 00:13:36,182 I love the radio and I learn such a lot. 202 00:13:36,183 --> 00:13:41,933 There's very interesting talks by interesting people, in my opinion. 203 00:13:42,975 --> 00:13:46,099 Yes, we've got a good relationship, 204 00:13:46,100 --> 00:13:48,517 the radio and me. 205 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:03,474 If I'm going to die, I'd like to die here, 206 00:14:03,475 --> 00:14:05,891 surrounded by my family. 207 00:14:05,892 --> 00:14:08,516 That's the most important thing. 208 00:14:08,517 --> 00:14:10,807 If I'm on my own somewhere, 209 00:14:10,808 --> 00:14:12,849 I'm going to be very frightened. 210 00:14:12,850 --> 00:14:14,392 I know I am. 211 00:14:15,642 --> 00:14:20,849 It's quite a common feeling, I've discovered amongst aged people. 212 00:14:20,850 --> 00:14:26,057 We lose all our "doing stuff on our own" decisions. 213 00:14:26,058 --> 00:14:29,724 It will be a group decision that's made, 214 00:14:29,725 --> 00:14:32,558 not an independent decision. 215 00:14:33,850 --> 00:14:36,932 The fear of death and dying and the taboo around that 216 00:14:36,933 --> 00:14:40,057 and the fear of losing agency and losing control, 217 00:14:40,058 --> 00:14:41,807 they go very, very deep 218 00:14:41,808 --> 00:14:46,516 and the reality is both of those things do relate to aged care. 219 00:14:46,517 --> 00:14:48,225 There's no sort of shying away from that. 220 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,016 There's no aged care services at Batchelor. 221 00:14:59,017 --> 00:15:00,933 It would be nice if there was. 222 00:15:01,475 --> 00:15:06,432 So the pressures on family members can be very overwhelming. 223 00:15:06,433 --> 00:15:12,267 As a carer, going in to help my sister do her insulin, 224 00:15:13,017 --> 00:15:15,517 it was very scary and daunting, 225 00:15:16,142 --> 00:15:21,350 but she didn't want to go to an aged care facility. 226 00:15:22,308 --> 00:15:24,016 Having her daughter there 227 00:15:24,017 --> 00:15:27,016 and her grandkids coming and great-grandchildren 228 00:15:27,017 --> 00:15:30,182 and her siblings come and visit, and friends, 229 00:15:30,183 --> 00:15:32,266 at her home... 230 00:15:32,267 --> 00:15:34,850 she still felt like she was the queen 231 00:15:35,725 --> 00:15:40,016 in her own environment, and that was important to her. 232 00:15:40,017 --> 00:15:45,142 It just helped her stay alive for a bit longer. 233 00:15:46,517 --> 00:15:49,266 Of course, we all want to do our bit 234 00:15:49,267 --> 00:15:53,641 to be able to share in our responsibilities 235 00:15:53,642 --> 00:15:55,724 and obligations to family members 236 00:15:55,725 --> 00:16:01,307 to make sure that they get as much support in their decision 237 00:16:01,308 --> 00:16:05,849 either to stay at home or to go into respite care. 238 00:16:05,850 --> 00:16:09,308 None of my family actually wanted respite care, 239 00:16:09,850 --> 00:16:12,141 'cause they thought they had enough family members 240 00:16:12,142 --> 00:16:14,642 that could come and look after them anyway. 241 00:16:18,142 --> 00:16:20,766 Do you mind if Jeremy puts a microphone on you? 242 00:16:20,767 --> 00:16:23,349 So we're just gonna stick this on the inside. 243 00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:27,807 Just actually I think we'll go between the jumper and the thing. 244 00:16:27,808 --> 00:16:29,599 So I'll get... I'll feed this... 245 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,766 Probably the easiest way is feeding it from upstairs to downstairs. 246 00:16:33,767 --> 00:16:35,807 Why are you... What are you... 247 00:16:35,808 --> 00:16:37,641 We're gonna put a microphone on you. 248 00:16:37,642 --> 00:16:39,724 We're doing a little bit of filming with Sue. 249 00:16:39,725 --> 00:16:41,307 - Yes, I know. - Oh, great. 250 00:16:41,308 --> 00:16:43,224 But why do you need to listen to me? 251 00:16:43,225 --> 00:16:45,057 Because you'll be talking. 252 00:16:45,058 --> 00:16:47,224 Because we want to hear what you're gonna say 253 00:16:47,225 --> 00:16:50,432 'cause we're just gonna film you in the car with Mum... 254 00:16:50,433 --> 00:16:51,807 Oh, right. 255 00:16:51,808 --> 00:16:53,474 ...going to the nursing home. 256 00:16:53,475 --> 00:16:54,766 Where? 257 00:16:54,767 --> 00:16:56,849 We're going to visit that nursing home. 258 00:16:56,850 --> 00:16:59,766 That's what we're doing today. We're going to look at... 259 00:16:59,767 --> 00:17:02,016 We'll be gone for half an hour, coming back, that's it. 260 00:17:02,017 --> 00:17:03,974 So we just want to hear what you think 261 00:17:03,975 --> 00:17:06,391 of the nursing home, we're gonna look at today. 262 00:17:06,392 --> 00:17:08,183 You can just be honest, Mum. 263 00:17:10,892 --> 00:17:14,308 - Mm-hmm. - So I'm just gonna put this one down. 264 00:17:17,558 --> 00:17:19,558 Oh, good glasses, Granny! 265 00:17:20,225 --> 00:17:23,016 Oh, they look so cool, Granny! 266 00:17:25,933 --> 00:17:30,557 You've got to put some purple in it. Yes. 267 00:17:33,850 --> 00:17:36,057 - Love you, Granny. - Love you too. 268 00:17:36,058 --> 00:17:37,183 See you soon. 269 00:18:00,183 --> 00:18:02,766 So this place we're going to, 270 00:18:02,767 --> 00:18:05,182 my friend, Mum, I told you is there. 271 00:18:05,183 --> 00:18:06,349 Right. 272 00:18:06,350 --> 00:18:09,974 Two of her children are doctors and they did their research 273 00:18:09,975 --> 00:18:12,557 and said this place is one of the better ones. 274 00:18:12,558 --> 00:18:13,517 All right. 275 00:18:26,558 --> 00:18:28,557 Ageing is often something 276 00:18:28,558 --> 00:18:30,141 we think happens to other people. 277 00:18:30,142 --> 00:18:32,182 It's not something that's ever gonna touch us. 278 00:18:32,183 --> 00:18:35,849 The same thing doubly so for aged care. 279 00:18:35,850 --> 00:18:38,182 "Aged care is something that other people go into. 280 00:18:38,183 --> 00:18:40,557 It's not a system that I'll ever need to go into." 281 00:18:40,558 --> 00:18:42,017 Most people think this way. 282 00:18:45,142 --> 00:18:47,891 Well done. Okay, can you just stand here? 283 00:18:47,892 --> 00:18:49,557 I'll get your handbag and mine. 284 00:19:17,975 --> 00:19:22,516 Most people try and keep their older person at home, 285 00:19:22,517 --> 00:19:24,349 however, the burden of that, 286 00:19:24,350 --> 00:19:29,016 the weight of that for a carer who's providing all the care 287 00:19:29,017 --> 00:19:30,975 is often too great. 288 00:19:32,350 --> 00:19:36,099 The person who generally gives the care is a woman, 289 00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:39,433 either the spouse or the daughter. 290 00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:44,307 The idea of sort of being 291 00:19:44,308 --> 00:19:48,641 in someone else's hands so completely, like you are in aged care, 292 00:19:48,642 --> 00:19:53,974 it's very confronting to our sense of who we are as competent people, 293 00:19:53,975 --> 00:19:56,350 as people who are making choices in life. 294 00:20:02,267 --> 00:20:05,391 I'm an only child and my parents had me 295 00:20:05,392 --> 00:20:07,224 relatively late for the time. 296 00:20:07,225 --> 00:20:11,307 So Dad was 45 when I was born and Mum was 35. 297 00:20:11,308 --> 00:20:14,141 Dad was a mineral metallurgist by trade, 298 00:20:14,142 --> 00:20:16,307 but he had so many other interests and hobbies. 299 00:20:16,308 --> 00:20:17,974 So he loved classical music. 300 00:20:17,975 --> 00:20:20,641 He loved jazz. He played jazz piano. 301 00:20:20,642 --> 00:20:22,266 He loved reading. 302 00:20:22,267 --> 00:20:26,057 He had a giant library that I was given free rein of, 303 00:20:26,058 --> 00:20:28,099 full of inappropriate books that, you know, 304 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:31,016 probably should have been withheld from me at that age. 305 00:20:31,017 --> 00:20:33,225 He was a wonderful, wonderful dad. 306 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,307 He was diagnosed with Parkinson's when I was 18. 307 00:20:39,308 --> 00:20:42,016 He had a relatively kind of slow decline 308 00:20:42,017 --> 00:20:45,224 and then it kind of caught up with him and, eventually, 309 00:20:45,225 --> 00:20:47,016 kind of with great reluctance, 310 00:20:47,017 --> 00:20:49,682 we had to move him into aged care. 311 00:20:49,683 --> 00:20:53,182 And at that moment, pretty much instantly 312 00:20:53,183 --> 00:20:55,974 Mum and I felt that we constantly were worried 313 00:20:55,975 --> 00:20:57,599 that things were being missed. 314 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,432 He was having lots of falls 315 00:20:59,433 --> 00:21:01,891 because he wasn't medicated at the right time. 316 00:21:01,892 --> 00:21:05,057 And then we had a sort of really awful crisis 317 00:21:05,058 --> 00:21:06,766 where a whistleblower came to us 318 00:21:06,767 --> 00:21:11,266 and mentioned that a staffer had been deliberately kind of abusing Dad. 319 00:21:11,267 --> 00:21:13,557 I presumed it would be relatively easy, 320 00:21:13,558 --> 00:21:15,932 that I would make a complaint to the regulator, 321 00:21:15,933 --> 00:21:18,516 the regulator would investigate the complaint. 322 00:21:18,517 --> 00:21:21,807 And then when that didn't happen, then I went to the police. 323 00:21:21,808 --> 00:21:25,266 And eventually I realized that it wasn't just bad luck, 324 00:21:25,267 --> 00:21:26,891 that it was the system. 325 00:21:26,892 --> 00:21:28,599 And so then when the Royal Commission 326 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,932 into Aged Care Quality and Safety was called, 327 00:21:30,933 --> 00:21:33,142 I made a submission to that. 328 00:21:36,308 --> 00:21:41,099 The room belonged to an 85-year-old woman with dementia 329 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:43,017 whose identity is protected. 330 00:21:44,183 --> 00:21:47,391 Within hours of putting the camera in place, 331 00:21:47,392 --> 00:21:49,516 this is what it captured. 332 00:21:49,517 --> 00:21:55,517 A warning. The footage is very confronting to watch and hear. 333 00:22:07,475 --> 00:22:10,057 Terrible revelations of abuse 334 00:22:10,058 --> 00:22:12,641 against some of society's most vulnerable 335 00:22:12,642 --> 00:22:16,807 have prompted the Prime Minister to call a royal commission into aged care. 336 00:22:16,808 --> 00:22:19,349 I just could not get past 337 00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:22,932 what was occurring in our residential aged care sector. 338 00:22:22,933 --> 00:22:24,724 I solemnly and sincerely... 339 00:22:24,725 --> 00:22:26,766 - Declare and affirm... - Declare and affirm... 340 00:22:26,767 --> 00:22:29,599 - That the evidence I shall give... - That the evidence I shall give... 341 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,932 I was sort of nervous about my father's privacy. 342 00:22:32,933 --> 00:22:36,099 I was nervous about my family's privacy. 343 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:38,349 And then I thought, "No, it's the right thing to do." 344 00:22:38,350 --> 00:22:41,807 So in your statement, you detail that from about 2016, 345 00:22:41,808 --> 00:22:43,974 you start noticing some issues. 346 00:22:43,975 --> 00:22:48,349 It was when Mum and I would go and visit, we would often find Dad disheveled, 347 00:22:48,350 --> 00:22:50,057 in unclean clothes... 348 00:22:50,058 --> 00:22:54,016 Aged care's an issue that's poorly understood by most people 349 00:22:54,017 --> 00:22:56,307 because they don't want to think about it, I understand. 350 00:22:56,308 --> 00:22:58,807 I'd never given it a moment's thought 351 00:22:58,808 --> 00:23:01,682 before we had to move Dad into care. 352 00:23:01,683 --> 00:23:06,474 She'd verbally abused him and told him that she was "sick of his shit," 353 00:23:06,475 --> 00:23:10,891 um, that she left his wheelchair away from the bed 354 00:23:10,892 --> 00:23:13,432 so that he was left completely immobile, 355 00:23:13,433 --> 00:23:15,891 and the whistleblower also mentioned to my mother 356 00:23:15,892 --> 00:23:20,182 that the reason that she'd told us and not the facility 357 00:23:20,183 --> 00:23:23,599 was that if she told the facility, it would get swept under the carpet 358 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,307 and absolutely nothing would be done. 359 00:23:25,308 --> 00:23:27,891 There was so much publicity 360 00:23:27,892 --> 00:23:32,600 about abuse and lack of care in aged care. 361 00:23:33,058 --> 00:23:38,224 I think that many, many family members 362 00:23:38,225 --> 00:23:44,557 would consider the care that their relative receives 363 00:23:44,558 --> 00:23:45,767 as being careless. 364 00:23:57,642 --> 00:24:01,599 What a tragedy that an old person at the end of their life 365 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,266 is treated with such disrespect. 366 00:24:04,267 --> 00:24:07,724 So, you see, it's not just breaking down in the nursing homes. 367 00:24:07,725 --> 00:24:09,517 It's breaking down everywhere. 368 00:24:10,517 --> 00:24:12,308 It's our humanity. 369 00:24:16,558 --> 00:24:18,975 How did things get so bad? 370 00:24:19,642 --> 00:24:23,850 Why was care forgotten and profits put before people? 371 00:24:24,642 --> 00:24:28,017 Perhaps it had something to do with this guy. 372 00:24:34,558 --> 00:24:37,641 Doug Moran was a man with a plan. 373 00:24:37,642 --> 00:24:41,141 I suppose it could be compared to a five-star hotel 374 00:24:41,142 --> 00:24:43,642 for the residents that are going to come in here. 375 00:24:45,642 --> 00:24:47,557 This is one of our private rooms, 376 00:24:47,558 --> 00:24:51,391 which has an ensuite bathroom attached to it. 377 00:24:51,392 --> 00:24:53,932 It's being built by Doug Moran, 378 00:24:53,933 --> 00:24:57,599 the country's largest private nursing home operator. 379 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,057 Moran lobbied to introduce the user-pays principle 380 00:25:01,058 --> 00:25:03,141 into nursing homes. 381 00:25:03,142 --> 00:25:06,641 I mean, there's almost no doubt that Doug Moran was heavily involved 382 00:25:06,642 --> 00:25:09,557 in writing the 1997 changes with John Howard. 383 00:25:09,558 --> 00:25:14,974 And he rallied the rest of the for-profit groups around him. 384 00:25:14,975 --> 00:25:16,724 Someone who's got power and money 385 00:25:16,725 --> 00:25:19,017 and who believes they can actually dictate the outcome. 386 00:25:19,642 --> 00:25:21,599 The Federal Government introduced 387 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,516 a user-pays system for nursing homes. 388 00:25:24,517 --> 00:25:28,432 Elderly people stood to pay up to a quarter of a million dollars 389 00:25:28,433 --> 00:25:30,474 as a bond for their accommodation. 390 00:25:30,475 --> 00:25:32,808 And the government has to accept their responsibility! 391 00:25:32,933 --> 00:25:35,600 The government's under pressure to overturn its decision 392 00:25:35,725 --> 00:25:37,599 on nursing home entry fees and bonds. 393 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,391 John Howard had said, "We'll give you accommodation bonds," 394 00:25:40,392 --> 00:25:44,725 and Moran was so disgusted he didn't get them, he quit the Liberal Party. 395 00:25:46,850 --> 00:25:49,349 There's got to be some good aged care providers out there. 396 00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:52,349 And there are, there are places that do it well, 397 00:25:52,350 --> 00:25:56,391 and isn't it a shame that they get a bad name 398 00:25:56,392 --> 00:25:58,724 based on the others. 399 00:26:11,183 --> 00:26:14,766 - She seemed very nice. - Yeah, they all seemed nice. 400 00:26:14,767 --> 00:26:16,225 Yes, they do. 401 00:26:17,433 --> 00:26:21,266 No, I think that's definitely one of the top ones so far. 402 00:26:21,267 --> 00:26:22,683 Yes, I think... 403 00:26:26,808 --> 00:26:28,766 I'd have to talk to people now. 404 00:26:28,767 --> 00:26:32,141 I'm getting worried about finances. 405 00:26:32,142 --> 00:26:34,516 Yeah, if you move into something like that, 406 00:26:34,517 --> 00:26:36,141 what do you do with your flat? 407 00:26:36,142 --> 00:26:38,308 Yes, I'd have to sell it. 408 00:26:43,392 --> 00:26:45,266 We'll go and see a financial adviser 409 00:26:45,267 --> 00:26:49,307 so you don't have to sell your flat in case you want to go home. 410 00:26:51,308 --> 00:26:54,307 I think if I make the effort to go somewhere, 411 00:26:54,308 --> 00:26:56,892 I'm not going to want to go back home... 412 00:26:58,183 --> 00:27:00,599 however nice that sounds. 413 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,017 Yeah. 414 00:27:06,183 --> 00:27:10,682 Oh, dear, it's exhausting doing all these things. 415 00:27:10,683 --> 00:27:12,641 Now we're done anyway. 416 00:27:12,642 --> 00:27:15,517 - We've looked at five now. - Four. 417 00:27:17,683 --> 00:27:20,307 Four. I've read all about them. 418 00:27:20,308 --> 00:27:23,807 All right, if you get to the point where you go, 419 00:27:23,808 --> 00:27:27,224 "I can't live alone, I can't do it, I'm too lonely, 420 00:27:27,225 --> 00:27:29,432 I don't like the weekends," 421 00:27:29,433 --> 00:27:31,225 - which is what... - I hate the weekends. 422 00:27:32,183 --> 00:27:34,016 And why do you hate the weekends? 423 00:27:34,017 --> 00:27:38,517 Because everyone's out having fun, fun, fun 424 00:27:39,267 --> 00:27:40,642 and I'm not. 425 00:27:49,267 --> 00:27:51,808 Oh, pardon me. 426 00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:54,392 Oh! 427 00:28:09,975 --> 00:28:12,391 I'm here today with Minister Butler 428 00:28:12,392 --> 00:28:14,350 to announce the Government's new policy 429 00:28:14,475 --> 00:28:16,349 on the future of aged care. 430 00:28:16,350 --> 00:28:18,432 When Labor were last in government, 431 00:28:18,433 --> 00:28:20,974 they picked up the baton from where Howard started. 432 00:28:20,975 --> 00:28:25,307 They introduced the so-called "Living Longer, Living Better" reforms. 433 00:28:25,308 --> 00:28:27,099 I'm sure that was more for industry, 434 00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:29,599 not for the actual recipients of care. 435 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,725 And that really just put everything on steroids. 436 00:28:33,225 --> 00:28:35,974 Today, we announce the most sweeping reforms 437 00:28:35,975 --> 00:28:38,891 to our aged care system in almost 30 years. 438 00:28:38,892 --> 00:28:40,516 In designing these reforms, 439 00:28:40,517 --> 00:28:42,724 we've listened to stakeholders in the sector 440 00:28:42,725 --> 00:28:44,557 who have worked with us very closely. 441 00:28:44,558 --> 00:28:47,641 Aged care in Australia is industry-driven 442 00:28:47,642 --> 00:28:51,057 and it's a partnership between government and industry. 443 00:28:51,058 --> 00:28:52,974 Industry... Industry... Industry... 444 00:28:52,975 --> 00:28:55,807 The community have been largely disenfranchised. 445 00:28:55,808 --> 00:28:57,932 Yeah, they've been shut out of the system. 446 00:28:57,933 --> 00:28:59,807 We will also finally introduce 447 00:28:59,808 --> 00:29:03,182 a single system of accommodation charging, 448 00:29:03,183 --> 00:29:06,182 reflecting the principle of ageing in place, which... 449 00:29:06,183 --> 00:29:08,766 So with the help of a Labor government, 450 00:29:08,767 --> 00:29:11,682 the industry finally had their bonds. 451 00:29:11,683 --> 00:29:13,724 John Howard was spooked by the reaction 452 00:29:13,725 --> 00:29:15,766 to wanting to introduce accommodation bonds. 453 00:29:15,767 --> 00:29:19,682 And so Mark Butler, whether he wants the crown or not, 454 00:29:19,683 --> 00:29:22,807 is the guy that finished Howard's reforms. 455 00:29:48,058 --> 00:29:51,682 I'm Olivia Dorothy Cornwell 456 00:29:51,683 --> 00:29:55,225 and I'm 94 years of age. 457 00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:57,516 She's a miracle. 458 00:30:07,267 --> 00:30:09,808 This is my daughter Jane 459 00:30:10,225 --> 00:30:14,432 and she's a journalist and she lives in London. 460 00:30:14,433 --> 00:30:18,141 She and I are in contact in some way or other 461 00:30:18,142 --> 00:30:20,267 pretty much every day. 462 00:30:22,933 --> 00:30:25,141 My knees are a bit sore. 463 00:30:25,142 --> 00:30:27,224 When I was a preschool teacher, 464 00:30:27,225 --> 00:30:30,766 I used to put out planks for the kids to jump 465 00:30:30,767 --> 00:30:32,599 and I'd have a plank under each arm. 466 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,807 I'm sure that's responsible. 467 00:30:34,808 --> 00:30:36,475 Oh, look at the parrot. 468 00:30:40,142 --> 00:30:42,225 I'm a Mallee girl. 469 00:30:43,267 --> 00:30:48,474 I was born in Birchip in the north-west of Victoria. 470 00:30:48,475 --> 00:30:51,642 I was trained to be a preschool teacher 471 00:30:52,767 --> 00:30:55,600 and then I went overseas. 472 00:30:56,850 --> 00:31:01,016 I went to the Buckingham Palace Garden Party 473 00:31:01,017 --> 00:31:03,432 and the Queen was cross with me 474 00:31:03,433 --> 00:31:07,142 because I didn't curtsy like everybody else was doing. 475 00:31:08,392 --> 00:31:10,432 One minute, we were all standing up, 476 00:31:10,433 --> 00:31:12,599 the Queen appeared, I looked around 477 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,349 and everybody was down there and I hadn't... 478 00:31:16,350 --> 00:31:19,517 And she really did give me an unpleasant look. 479 00:31:21,892 --> 00:31:25,307 I came back from England and I did some more preschool teaching, 480 00:31:25,308 --> 00:31:28,557 but then I decided I'd like to be an air hostess, 481 00:31:28,558 --> 00:31:30,308 as we were called in those days. 482 00:31:30,850 --> 00:31:36,224 Then I met my husband Alan. 483 00:31:36,225 --> 00:31:38,474 We eventually married. 484 00:31:38,475 --> 00:31:42,307 And then our beautiful daughter Jane was born 485 00:31:42,308 --> 00:31:47,891 and Alicia was the next one, and Chris was the next one. 486 00:31:51,392 --> 00:31:54,641 My husband liked outdoor sport 487 00:31:54,642 --> 00:31:56,432 and he was very fair-skinned 488 00:31:56,433 --> 00:32:01,392 and he got a melanoma and he died when he was 73. 489 00:32:02,892 --> 00:32:06,016 I suddenly lost interest in everything. 490 00:32:06,017 --> 00:32:07,807 I didn't want to do anything. 491 00:32:07,808 --> 00:32:11,516 I got a couple of rather unpleasant illnesses 492 00:32:11,517 --> 00:32:14,682 followed by depression 493 00:32:14,683 --> 00:32:17,474 and my doctor suggested I spend 494 00:32:17,475 --> 00:32:21,849 a few... a couple of weeks in respite care 495 00:32:21,850 --> 00:32:24,849 and the place I went to was wonderful. 496 00:32:24,850 --> 00:32:27,849 I always associated old people's homes 497 00:32:27,850 --> 00:32:33,224 with dear old ladies and bingo, you know, so... 498 00:32:33,225 --> 00:32:36,391 But I went there for a couple of weeks, 499 00:32:36,392 --> 00:32:38,724 and it was amazing. 500 00:32:38,725 --> 00:32:41,057 But after two weeks, 501 00:32:41,058 --> 00:32:42,974 I felt like I was living in a bubble. 502 00:32:42,975 --> 00:32:45,516 I thought, "Now, I'm still mobile. 503 00:32:45,517 --> 00:32:48,849 "I don't really want to spend any more time here." 504 00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:52,224 'Cause you went into respite with a view to long-term staying. 505 00:32:52,225 --> 00:32:54,349 So we got you a room with a courtyard, 506 00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:56,099 I'm back here because I thought 507 00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:59,266 I was going to have to sell the house to pay for... 508 00:32:59,267 --> 00:33:02,057 Well, I had no intention of staying there. 509 00:33:11,808 --> 00:33:15,599 I just love living at home. It's just great. 510 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,057 I love my garden, I like playing the piano 511 00:33:18,058 --> 00:33:20,266 and I'm very keen on jigsaws. 512 00:33:20,267 --> 00:33:23,182 I'd like to spend a lot more time doing jigsaws. 513 00:33:23,183 --> 00:33:25,766 Oh, and I like to attract the birds 514 00:33:25,767 --> 00:33:30,017 even though the cockatoos come and take all the seed. 515 00:33:32,058 --> 00:33:35,142 I love to be independent and do my own thing. 516 00:33:36,475 --> 00:33:39,307 The more research I started doing about aged care, 517 00:33:39,308 --> 00:33:41,891 it became obvious that there was a way 518 00:33:41,892 --> 00:33:44,599 that you could get help living in your home. 519 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,016 And what I was told was that 520 00:33:47,017 --> 00:33:50,142 to be able to stay in your home was the goal of the government. 521 00:33:50,267 --> 00:33:52,557 You know, they have a vested interest 522 00:33:52,558 --> 00:33:55,391 in keeping, you know, people at home. 523 00:33:55,392 --> 00:33:58,392 They have to come out and inspect and I remember saying to you, 524 00:33:58,517 --> 00:34:00,766 "Please act as doddery as you can." 525 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,391 Most people that you speak to 526 00:34:06,392 --> 00:34:09,391 say that they want to grow old in their own home. 527 00:34:09,392 --> 00:34:11,974 So it's all very well and good for an older person 528 00:34:11,975 --> 00:34:15,557 to have their home modified and cleaned 529 00:34:15,558 --> 00:34:17,432 and to get their nursing care 530 00:34:17,433 --> 00:34:20,599 and their medication management in their home... 531 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,557 but if they walk down the street 532 00:34:22,558 --> 00:34:26,432 and nobody knows their name or cares to say hi to them 533 00:34:26,433 --> 00:34:28,724 or, you know, would even notice 534 00:34:28,725 --> 00:34:32,183 if they didn't step outside their door for a couple of days... 535 00:34:34,308 --> 00:34:36,849 There have been some really harrowing stories 536 00:34:36,850 --> 00:34:38,266 coming out of home care 537 00:34:38,267 --> 00:34:40,516 just as there have out of residential care. 538 00:34:40,517 --> 00:34:43,516 The problems in home care are lesser known 539 00:34:43,517 --> 00:34:45,266 because they're not monitored. 540 00:34:45,267 --> 00:34:48,099 There's a huge degree of vulnerability in home care, 541 00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:50,016 so I don't think we want to romanticize it 542 00:34:50,017 --> 00:34:53,642 and say everything's great so long as you can stay at home. 543 00:35:18,017 --> 00:35:19,474 Hello. 544 00:35:19,475 --> 00:35:21,766 - Hi, Mum. It's me. - Yeah. 545 00:35:21,767 --> 00:35:23,933 I'll be there in about 20 minutes. 546 00:35:25,142 --> 00:35:26,516 20 minutes. 547 00:35:26,517 --> 00:35:30,474 And is Lola going to do that bit of shopping for me? 548 00:35:30,475 --> 00:35:32,974 Yes, she's definitely gonna do that. 549 00:35:32,975 --> 00:35:34,891 And where are we going to go? 550 00:35:34,892 --> 00:35:38,432 Given what happened, we're gonna go and look 551 00:35:38,433 --> 00:35:41,308 at a couple more aged care places. 552 00:35:42,350 --> 00:35:44,266 Oh, okay. 553 00:35:44,267 --> 00:35:47,267 We'll sort it out when you get here. 554 00:35:48,308 --> 00:35:51,599 You just drive past this one 555 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,474 because it's Glen Huntly Road. 556 00:35:53,475 --> 00:35:55,766 Right, is that the one we went to? 557 00:35:55,767 --> 00:35:57,766 No, no. 558 00:35:57,767 --> 00:36:01,224 And then there's another one, this one. 559 00:36:01,225 --> 00:36:03,474 So we'll just have a look out the car window 560 00:36:03,475 --> 00:36:06,307 and you think about, you know, what you think. 561 00:36:06,308 --> 00:36:07,849 Mm-hmm. 562 00:36:07,850 --> 00:36:09,682 Can you put them in your bag? 563 00:36:09,683 --> 00:36:11,517 - Oh, okay. - Hang on. 564 00:36:13,892 --> 00:36:15,183 Here. 565 00:36:17,183 --> 00:36:19,474 We're actually out the back, Mum. 566 00:36:19,475 --> 00:36:21,224 Right. 567 00:36:21,225 --> 00:36:23,557 Just... I'm gonna shut your front door. 568 00:36:25,433 --> 00:36:27,391 Yeah, they're coming and they'll lock it. 569 00:36:36,475 --> 00:36:39,267 Big step. Watch your head. 570 00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:43,474 Okay, I'm gonna just change those hearing aids. 571 00:36:43,475 --> 00:36:45,224 You've got them in the wrong ears. 572 00:36:45,225 --> 00:36:48,391 - Oh! - Anyway, that's the right way. 573 00:36:57,933 --> 00:37:00,057 Where are we going now? 574 00:37:00,058 --> 00:37:02,474 We're gonna go and show you 575 00:37:02,475 --> 00:37:05,974 - the two aged care places up here. - Oh, that's right. Yes. 576 00:37:05,975 --> 00:37:07,891 You can see just from the outside. 577 00:37:07,892 --> 00:37:09,849 - Yes. - So they're... 578 00:37:09,850 --> 00:37:12,057 Because what was your criteria? 579 00:37:12,058 --> 00:37:14,599 You said you wanted them around this area. 580 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,225 Yes. 581 00:37:17,517 --> 00:37:20,766 - Anything else that you... - No, no. 582 00:37:20,767 --> 00:37:23,349 I'd just like to be left alone. 583 00:37:25,392 --> 00:37:28,516 - In the place or now? - In the place. 584 00:37:28,517 --> 00:37:30,641 What, you don't want people coming into your room? 585 00:37:30,642 --> 00:37:34,517 No, I don't want thousands of people coming in and out. 586 00:37:37,433 --> 00:37:40,849 The Aged Care Act was supposed to help old people, 587 00:37:40,850 --> 00:37:43,807 but were these changes really about helping Grandma 588 00:37:43,808 --> 00:37:46,475 or just making private companies more money? 589 00:37:49,142 --> 00:37:52,099 They were coming for the money, no doubt about it. 590 00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:55,349 If you look at the aged care providers 591 00:37:55,350 --> 00:37:58,224 and the owners and the CEOs, 592 00:37:58,225 --> 00:38:01,349 some of them are on the BRW rich list. 593 00:38:01,350 --> 00:38:04,391 They live in mansions, they drive luxury cars, 594 00:38:04,392 --> 00:38:07,391 yet they're constantly crying poor. 595 00:38:09,433 --> 00:38:13,099 The industry was sought as independent experts 596 00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:16,682 to the newly created Aged Care Financing Authority, 597 00:38:16,683 --> 00:38:19,516 such as the CEO of Bupa. 598 00:38:19,517 --> 00:38:21,307 You know, Bupa is the biggest 599 00:38:21,308 --> 00:38:23,849 private aged care provider in the country. 600 00:38:23,850 --> 00:38:25,849 They had a shocking track record. 601 00:38:25,850 --> 00:38:30,182 That's a provider that time and again has failed care standards. 602 00:38:30,183 --> 00:38:31,891 There were so many of its homes 603 00:38:31,892 --> 00:38:35,974 that had failed with the regulator, but they were still operating. 604 00:38:35,975 --> 00:38:37,599 By 2019, 605 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,016 over half of Bupa's 72 nursing homes 606 00:38:41,017 --> 00:38:44,766 were failing to meet all the health and safety standards. 607 00:38:44,767 --> 00:38:48,432 When you look at the failures over the last 20 years in aged care, 608 00:38:48,433 --> 00:38:51,724 it really is a story of provider influence. 609 00:38:51,725 --> 00:38:54,433 First and foremost, that is the issue. 610 00:38:57,267 --> 00:38:59,849 There is no doubt that the regulator 611 00:38:59,850 --> 00:39:02,682 is absolutely captured by industry. 612 00:39:02,683 --> 00:39:04,057 The regulator says, 613 00:39:04,058 --> 00:39:06,307 "Can you not do that? You're embarrassing us. 614 00:39:06,308 --> 00:39:09,182 But, you know, we'll let you get away with it 615 00:39:09,183 --> 00:39:12,641 if you, you know, tick some boxes on a piece of paper 616 00:39:12,642 --> 00:39:14,974 and say that you will never be like that again." 617 00:39:14,975 --> 00:39:16,474 The fox is guarding the hen house. 618 00:39:16,475 --> 00:39:19,932 There does seem to be something of a revolving door, if you like, 619 00:39:19,933 --> 00:39:23,557 between industry and government positions. 620 00:39:23,558 --> 00:39:26,182 It's the same list of names that have been moving 621 00:39:26,183 --> 00:39:30,433 from government to regulation to industry and back again for 20 years. 622 00:39:33,142 --> 00:39:35,849 For myGov enquiries, press 1. 623 00:39:35,850 --> 00:39:39,641 For assistance with a myGov linking code, press 2. 624 00:39:39,642 --> 00:39:43,016 For Centrelink online enquiries, press 3. 625 00:39:43,017 --> 00:39:46,391 For Medicare online enquiries, press 4. 626 00:39:46,392 --> 00:39:50,766 For Australian Taxation Office online enquiries, press 5. 627 00:39:50,767 --> 00:39:53,724 If you're an ATO customer service representative, 628 00:39:53,725 --> 00:39:55,266 press 6. 629 00:39:55,267 --> 00:39:57,932 To hear these options again, please press 9. 630 00:40:09,892 --> 00:40:13,599 For assistance linking your ATO to your myGov account, 631 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,141 press 3. 632 00:40:15,142 --> 00:40:17,641 For assistance with linking other government services 633 00:40:17,642 --> 00:40:20,307 to your myGov account, press 4. 634 00:40:20,308 --> 00:40:23,725 You may need to contact the member services directly. 635 00:40:37,017 --> 00:40:40,516 I might have to go into that place a bit sooner. 636 00:40:40,517 --> 00:40:43,849 - What place? - The nursing home. 637 00:40:43,850 --> 00:40:46,016 Do you want to go into a nursing home? 638 00:40:46,017 --> 00:40:47,932 - No. - Why? 639 00:40:47,933 --> 00:40:50,517 Not at this moment in time, 640 00:40:51,308 --> 00:40:57,432 because I've got enough faculties still going. 641 00:40:57,433 --> 00:41:01,557 There are a few that are going down the tubes, but... 642 00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:07,224 That's the trouble with old age. 643 00:41:07,225 --> 00:41:10,974 It's... a lot of it is very frightening. 644 00:41:10,975 --> 00:41:14,099 You find you can't do heaps of stuff. 645 00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:16,224 - Mmm. - Um... 646 00:41:16,225 --> 00:41:22,391 For instance, I used to think cooking was quite an honorable job. 647 00:41:22,392 --> 00:41:25,516 I can't be bothered with it now. 648 00:41:25,517 --> 00:41:29,016 I'd rather starve to death. 649 00:41:29,017 --> 00:41:30,724 - I would! - That's not good. 650 00:41:30,725 --> 00:41:33,516 What about, you know, you used to catch the bus 651 00:41:33,517 --> 00:41:38,599 to go and see movies, book clubs, walking group. 652 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,224 You had so many things... 653 00:41:40,225 --> 00:41:42,807 Yes, I did and I loved them all, 654 00:41:42,808 --> 00:41:45,767 but it wasn't right anymore. 655 00:41:46,767 --> 00:41:48,557 Yeah, now you don't... 656 00:41:48,558 --> 00:41:52,641 Now I go out to the doctor. 657 00:41:52,642 --> 00:41:56,682 About the only one I see! 658 00:41:56,683 --> 00:42:00,641 The long-awaited final report from the Aged Care Royal Commission 659 00:42:00,642 --> 00:42:03,807 has delivered a damning assessment of the system 660 00:42:03,808 --> 00:42:06,517 which is supposed to protect the country's most vulnerable. 661 00:42:08,308 --> 00:42:10,974 I was waiting for the report 662 00:42:10,975 --> 00:42:12,599 from the Royal Commission to come down. 663 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,849 I mean, it was our Four Corners, 664 00:42:14,850 --> 00:42:17,724 our two-part Who Cares? stories 665 00:42:17,725 --> 00:42:19,724 that actually prompted the Royal Commission. 666 00:42:19,725 --> 00:42:23,599 Scott Morrison got in the day before the first one went to air, 667 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,433 so he got ahead of it. 668 00:42:25,892 --> 00:42:27,391 This is the first of many volumes... 669 00:42:27,392 --> 00:42:30,807 Morrison got out there and brandished a copy of the report, 670 00:42:30,808 --> 00:42:32,307 you know, saying effectively, 671 00:42:32,308 --> 00:42:34,266 "Now we've done something about aged care," 672 00:42:34,267 --> 00:42:36,307 where the journalists had only been given 673 00:42:36,308 --> 00:42:39,474 access to the report 20 minutes beforehand 674 00:42:39,475 --> 00:42:41,807 and then he never did a press conference again. 675 00:42:41,808 --> 00:42:44,849 You tabled the report while we were here. 676 00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:46,099 How can we ask questions... 677 00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:48,266 He didn't like being questioned. 678 00:42:48,267 --> 00:42:49,849 He thought he would get a free run. 679 00:42:49,850 --> 00:42:52,182 The Department of Health and the regulator 680 00:42:52,183 --> 00:42:53,974 put a submission into the Royal Commission... 681 00:42:53,975 --> 00:42:56,099 I'm the Prime Minister. This is my minister. 682 00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:58,182 Our cabinet will decide 683 00:42:58,183 --> 00:43:00,474 our response to this Royal Commission, okay? 684 00:43:00,475 --> 00:43:02,349 - So is this... - So we've released it. 685 00:43:02,350 --> 00:43:04,308 I think I've answered your question. Thank you. 686 00:43:05,767 --> 00:43:11,682 I think it says a lot about how we regard older people. 687 00:43:11,683 --> 00:43:14,932 We do regard them as disposable 688 00:43:14,933 --> 00:43:17,099 after a certain period of time. 689 00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:19,974 They're insignificant. They're not important in our lives. 690 00:43:19,975 --> 00:43:22,099 Thank you. 691 00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,516 I don't think any of the politicians 692 00:43:24,517 --> 00:43:27,099 are thinking, "Oh, this is a system I'd like to go into." 693 00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:30,641 They're not thinking, "Great! We've solved it. I'm gonna be right when I'm old." 694 00:43:30,642 --> 00:43:32,641 They're thinking, "Thank God that I earn so much 695 00:43:32,642 --> 00:43:34,932 "that I'm not gonna have to be touched by this system." 696 00:43:34,933 --> 00:43:36,724 You know, that's... that's the reality. 697 00:43:36,725 --> 00:43:39,641 And, you know, what we should be doing 698 00:43:39,642 --> 00:43:43,349 is stepping back from all of this and saying, 699 00:43:43,350 --> 00:43:45,932 "What do we all actually want when we get old?" 700 00:43:54,767 --> 00:43:56,474 The majority of the people 701 00:43:56,475 --> 00:43:58,766 have worked their entire life and have been paying tax 702 00:43:58,767 --> 00:44:01,516 and have been contributing to the community 703 00:44:01,517 --> 00:44:03,141 and when they're older, 704 00:44:03,142 --> 00:44:06,599 I think everyone deserves to have a good life 705 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,641 and to have a secure home, a safe home, 706 00:44:09,642 --> 00:44:12,349 and I hope that I can contribute 707 00:44:12,350 --> 00:44:16,558 to someone's wellbeing to stay at home safely. 708 00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:22,349 I am a care finder with Housing for the Aged Action Group 709 00:44:22,350 --> 00:44:29,099 and the role is to help older people over 65 and plus 710 00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:31,808 navigating through the aged care system. 711 00:44:32,350 --> 00:44:33,974 I'm loving it. 712 00:44:33,975 --> 00:44:36,308 Like, that's really a calling. 713 00:44:38,975 --> 00:44:43,182 I have been in the social work field for about 20 years 714 00:44:43,183 --> 00:44:45,974 so I have been seeing, like, a lot of changes. 715 00:44:45,975 --> 00:44:47,724 Since it has been privatized, 716 00:44:47,725 --> 00:44:52,892 I don't think the clients are getting the help that they need. 717 00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:59,849 If you are living by yourself and don't have, like, a partner, 718 00:44:59,850 --> 00:45:03,307 and you are still fit in your mind, 719 00:45:03,308 --> 00:45:06,266 I still believe the best option for you 720 00:45:06,267 --> 00:45:08,932 would be staying at home and being independent 721 00:45:08,933 --> 00:45:11,807 and have some support in your home 722 00:45:11,808 --> 00:45:14,099 like cleaning, shopping 723 00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:18,141 or someone to take you to your medical appointments. 724 00:45:33,267 --> 00:45:36,475 My husband's name was Lewis. 725 00:45:38,517 --> 00:45:42,349 I'd been with him for 27 years, yes, 726 00:45:42,350 --> 00:45:46,142 and, um, I miss him every day. 727 00:45:49,225 --> 00:45:54,182 When my husband died, I didn't know what I was up against. 728 00:45:54,183 --> 00:46:00,932 I realized that rent was getting way out of my league. 729 00:46:00,933 --> 00:46:02,933 When I'd get my pension, 730 00:46:03,808 --> 00:46:05,682 I paid my rent, 731 00:46:05,683 --> 00:46:10,142 I had a provision for my utilities, 732 00:46:10,892 --> 00:46:14,141 I could see things diminishing. 733 00:46:17,267 --> 00:46:20,516 - Hello, Hanh. - Hi, Bev. It's Hanh speaking. 734 00:46:20,517 --> 00:46:23,057 - How are you going? - I'm good. 735 00:46:23,058 --> 00:46:26,224 We are now on our way to see you. 736 00:46:26,225 --> 00:46:27,517 Bye. 737 00:46:28,975 --> 00:46:31,099 Continue on State Route 22 738 00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:32,933 for seven kilometers. 739 00:46:33,808 --> 00:46:36,641 I was frightened of what the future held. 740 00:46:36,642 --> 00:46:42,057 I knew that it would reach a stage where I would be homeless. 741 00:46:42,058 --> 00:46:44,183 So I rang My Aged Care 742 00:46:44,767 --> 00:46:48,182 and along the way, I mentioned 743 00:46:48,183 --> 00:46:54,682 that I would like independent living if it could be arranged. 744 00:46:54,683 --> 00:46:56,682 And the next thing I knew, 745 00:46:56,683 --> 00:47:01,557 this little lass Hanh came to my front door. 746 00:47:01,558 --> 00:47:05,516 She put forward plans and we came out here 747 00:47:05,517 --> 00:47:09,225 and I loved the place straightaway, 748 00:47:10,017 --> 00:47:13,142 and, um, here I am. 749 00:47:16,392 --> 00:47:20,891 Once you get the services, you can stay at home. 750 00:47:20,892 --> 00:47:22,724 A nursing home means death. 751 00:47:22,725 --> 00:47:25,807 I would say, "You no..." 752 00:47:25,808 --> 00:47:27,766 I'll say it in Italian. 753 00:47:29,808 --> 00:47:32,682 "You're not going to put me there, are you?" 754 00:47:47,558 --> 00:47:50,391 We came to Australia in 1960. 755 00:47:50,392 --> 00:47:53,932 Dad was here, was injured at work, 756 00:47:53,933 --> 00:47:57,599 couldn't come back to Italy, so we joined him here. 757 00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,725 And I was... Loved it. 758 00:48:02,392 --> 00:48:03,891 I was 14 and a half. 759 00:48:03,892 --> 00:48:08,057 I went to work in a factory and said I was 16 760 00:48:08,058 --> 00:48:10,932 and I worked in a factory for four years 761 00:48:10,933 --> 00:48:13,141 and it was dreadful. 762 00:48:13,142 --> 00:48:16,974 The idea was that I could go and study, 763 00:48:16,975 --> 00:48:18,807 but then I met Mario. 764 00:48:18,808 --> 00:48:21,891 I met Mario when I was 17. 765 00:48:21,892 --> 00:48:24,641 We went to the Boathouse 766 00:48:24,642 --> 00:48:28,599 and we had a really nice ride on the river. 767 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,474 He said, "Well, I'm old enough. 768 00:48:30,475 --> 00:48:33,599 We need to get married. I want to start a family." 769 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,349 I said, "Okay." 770 00:48:35,350 --> 00:48:39,017 And Mum said, "No, too young." 771 00:48:39,850 --> 00:48:43,807 I said, "Well, I feel good," and so we married. 772 00:49:01,017 --> 00:49:04,517 Mum asked, "Where you gonna live?" 773 00:49:05,517 --> 00:49:08,599 And Mario said, "But I do have a house," 774 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,558 and he brought me to this house. 775 00:49:12,308 --> 00:49:15,891 I said, "Fancy that! I feel really good in it." 776 00:49:15,892 --> 00:49:17,516 And that was it. 777 00:49:17,517 --> 00:49:21,641 And we have been here ever since, 59 years. 778 00:49:28,058 --> 00:49:29,974 I always wanted to study, 779 00:49:29,975 --> 00:49:33,974 but Mario said, "But I think I'm old enough 780 00:49:33,975 --> 00:49:35,724 to start a family," 781 00:49:35,725 --> 00:49:37,850 but I was only 19. 782 00:49:39,183 --> 00:49:40,641 Oh, he won. 783 00:49:51,933 --> 00:49:57,766 All right, here we go. Afternoon tea. 784 00:49:57,767 --> 00:50:02,599 And then I wanted very much to start working 785 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,432 and I qualified a social diploma in community development. 786 00:50:07,433 --> 00:50:10,225 I worked at a community health center. 787 00:50:10,683 --> 00:50:13,891 At the time, I was studying, working, family 788 00:50:13,892 --> 00:50:17,600 and looking after Mum and Dad as well. 789 00:50:18,892 --> 00:50:20,849 Let's see, Theresa. 790 00:50:20,850 --> 00:50:24,391 Oh, we still have to wait. 791 00:50:24,392 --> 00:50:27,142 Lovely. 792 00:50:29,642 --> 00:50:31,100 Afternoon tea. 793 00:50:31,767 --> 00:50:37,807 My father passed away July 2002. 794 00:50:37,808 --> 00:50:40,266 - Do you want some? - Yeah. 795 00:50:40,267 --> 00:50:42,642 Then Mum was alone for five years 796 00:50:43,142 --> 00:50:47,058 and then she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. 797 00:50:48,392 --> 00:50:51,599 There was not even a thought 798 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,517 of Mum going into a nursing home. 799 00:50:55,892 --> 00:51:01,599 The idea of a nursing home was waiting for death. 800 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,808 I've never known Mum to be selfish 801 00:51:06,850 --> 00:51:09,892 until the last two months. 802 00:51:10,725 --> 00:51:12,183 She said... 803 00:51:13,225 --> 00:51:16,057 "If I had my mother here, 804 00:51:16,058 --> 00:51:18,683 I would spend all my time with her." 805 00:51:19,517 --> 00:51:22,682 And I said, "Mum, I'm 60. 806 00:51:22,683 --> 00:51:24,516 Who would employ me?" 807 00:51:24,517 --> 00:51:27,808 I find my job terribly rewarding. 808 00:51:28,392 --> 00:51:30,391 You depend on your children, 809 00:51:30,392 --> 00:51:32,682 but children do have their own family. 810 00:51:32,683 --> 00:51:34,307 They have their own problems. 811 00:51:34,308 --> 00:51:37,308 They've got their own issues, their own work issues as well. 812 00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:46,141 Often I am on a deadline 813 00:51:46,142 --> 00:51:51,266 or I will be travelling somewhere and I just feel like at any moment, 814 00:51:51,267 --> 00:51:54,057 I have to go back to Australia and sort Mum out. 815 00:51:54,058 --> 00:51:57,891 If you want to put your parent into an aged care facility 816 00:51:57,892 --> 00:51:59,891 and you live overseas, 817 00:51:59,892 --> 00:52:03,641 to navigate the myGov or the Aged Care website 818 00:52:03,642 --> 00:52:05,307 is really, really hard. 819 00:52:05,308 --> 00:52:07,892 To get on the phone to anyone is really, really hard. 820 00:52:09,975 --> 00:52:12,349 I found that when I was even getting her 821 00:52:12,350 --> 00:52:14,432 up the levels of aged care, 822 00:52:14,433 --> 00:52:16,307 because there's the four levels, 823 00:52:16,308 --> 00:52:19,099 I really needed to be there to do that. 824 00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:21,225 I don't think I could have done it from here. 825 00:52:23,392 --> 00:52:26,057 My Aged Care is the system 826 00:52:26,058 --> 00:52:28,307 of government-funded support 827 00:52:28,308 --> 00:52:30,391 for older people as they're ageing, 828 00:52:30,392 --> 00:52:34,182 which starts at really sort of low-level, 829 00:52:34,183 --> 00:52:36,641 entry-level support around the home 830 00:52:36,642 --> 00:52:39,724 and goes all the way through to residential care. 831 00:52:39,725 --> 00:52:42,224 But actually the majority of the system 832 00:52:42,225 --> 00:52:45,517 is geared towards supporting people in their own homes. 833 00:52:47,017 --> 00:52:49,141 I've spoken to so many older people 834 00:52:49,142 --> 00:52:51,891 who find it completely bamboozling. 835 00:52:51,892 --> 00:52:53,766 And not just older people, 836 00:52:53,767 --> 00:52:56,433 their carers and their families. 837 00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:59,891 Just prior to this interview, I went and looked up 838 00:52:59,892 --> 00:53:04,016 the Aged Care and the categories there 839 00:53:04,017 --> 00:53:09,892 didn't really suit me at this point in time of my life and my career, 840 00:53:10,225 --> 00:53:13,558 and so I clicked on "Early Retirement" 841 00:53:14,392 --> 00:53:18,932 and it dropped down into all these boxes and I went, "Oh, my God! 842 00:53:18,933 --> 00:53:21,849 This is going to take forever to read." 843 00:53:21,850 --> 00:53:24,057 And I've got a PhD, 844 00:53:24,058 --> 00:53:26,474 and I just looked at the first paragraph 845 00:53:26,475 --> 00:53:29,516 and I went, "Oh, I'll look at that later." 846 00:53:29,517 --> 00:53:34,474 And I was thinking about how I would talk about this 847 00:53:34,475 --> 00:53:39,099 to other Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people 848 00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:41,641 that struggle with myGov. 849 00:53:41,642 --> 00:53:46,766 Accessing a lot of the services like myGov 850 00:53:46,767 --> 00:53:51,099 would be near impossible in remote communities 851 00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:56,266 because the Telstra services are non-existent, 852 00:53:56,267 --> 00:54:00,016 and if they do exist in remote communities, 853 00:54:00,017 --> 00:54:02,725 it's intermittent. 854 00:54:03,975 --> 00:54:05,682 Like during the wet season, 855 00:54:05,683 --> 00:54:09,557 you might as well say there's no Telstra communication. 856 00:54:09,558 --> 00:54:12,766 They're talking to you, but it sounds like they're under water 857 00:54:12,767 --> 00:54:15,058 and you can hardly understand what they're saying. 858 00:54:17,475 --> 00:54:19,724 Clearly, I'm on the other side of the world. 859 00:54:19,725 --> 00:54:22,224 It's a real worry to think that she could fall, 860 00:54:22,225 --> 00:54:23,849 something could happen to her. 861 00:54:23,850 --> 00:54:28,099 I'm so far away. I am her main point of contact. 862 00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:31,891 She has her aged care provider and they're brilliant, 863 00:54:31,892 --> 00:54:36,350 but it's not like if anything happens, she can, you know, call me. 864 00:54:39,642 --> 00:54:42,141 Mum has to battle with loneliness. 865 00:54:42,142 --> 00:54:44,308 She watches a lot of television. 866 00:54:45,350 --> 00:54:48,308 She has some friends who are quite loyal, which is great. 867 00:54:48,433 --> 00:54:52,141 And she does kind of maybe sometimes overthink things 868 00:54:52,142 --> 00:54:55,266 and I think being on her own too much is not great. 869 00:54:55,267 --> 00:55:01,349 She's very youthful in her outlook and in her mind 870 00:55:01,350 --> 00:55:03,141 and I love her to bits, 871 00:55:03,142 --> 00:55:06,391 but that also means that she might rush at things. 872 00:55:06,392 --> 00:55:09,932 And, you know, lately we've got her a walker, 873 00:55:09,933 --> 00:55:12,724 a red walker, which we call the "Mean Machine." 874 00:55:12,725 --> 00:55:15,892 So I have had to encourage her to use that. 875 00:55:18,142 --> 00:55:21,891 I've set up various contingency plans, as it were, 876 00:55:21,892 --> 00:55:23,641 but at any moment, 877 00:55:23,642 --> 00:55:26,057 I have to go back to Australia and sort Mum out. 878 00:55:26,058 --> 00:55:28,142 It's a constant source of stress. 879 00:55:31,558 --> 00:55:33,558 What did you do today? 880 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,557 Uh... not a lot. 881 00:55:38,558 --> 00:55:40,849 No? Did you go for a walk? 882 00:55:40,850 --> 00:55:43,057 Yes, I went 'round the block. 883 00:55:43,058 --> 00:55:45,307 Did you take the Mean Machine? 884 00:55:45,308 --> 00:55:48,600 Yes. Yeah. 885 00:55:49,517 --> 00:55:52,182 Oh, by the way, I went to the doctor yesterday 886 00:55:52,183 --> 00:55:54,641 and she's given me a clean bill of health. 887 00:55:54,642 --> 00:55:57,849 Yeah, well, you're a force of nature, Mum. That's amazing. 888 00:55:57,850 --> 00:56:02,849 Who are those two men in your house, darling? 889 00:56:02,850 --> 00:56:04,807 Can you see them? Look. Here they are. Look. 890 00:56:04,808 --> 00:56:06,807 - Lovely. Waving. - Hey! 891 00:56:06,808 --> 00:56:10,641 Yes, they look rather nice. What are they doing? 892 00:56:10,642 --> 00:56:12,266 They're filming me. 893 00:56:12,267 --> 00:56:13,974 They're just doing a little film thing. 894 00:56:13,975 --> 00:56:15,724 - Look. There they are. - Lovely! 895 00:56:15,725 --> 00:56:17,516 All right, off you go. 896 00:56:17,517 --> 00:56:19,182 Okay, darling. 897 00:56:19,183 --> 00:56:21,807 - All right, bye, Mum. - See you later. 898 00:56:21,808 --> 00:56:24,599 - Waving. Bye! - Bye, darling. 899 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,142 See you soon. 900 00:56:59,683 --> 00:57:02,725 I get lonely here on my own now. 901 00:57:03,767 --> 00:57:08,599 Last year, five of my friends died. 902 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,724 One I'd known since I was 16. 903 00:57:14,725 --> 00:57:20,642 I spend at least four hours watching television. 904 00:57:21,683 --> 00:57:25,975 Most of the time, I can't work the television properly. 905 00:57:40,142 --> 00:57:44,349 Okay, is that too tight or not tight enough? 906 00:57:44,350 --> 00:57:45,932 No. 907 00:57:45,933 --> 00:57:48,100 It seems to be all right. 908 00:57:59,433 --> 00:58:01,724 Do you ever get frightened at night, Mum? 909 00:58:01,725 --> 00:58:04,183 - Mm-hmm. - Tell me about that. 910 00:58:07,142 --> 00:58:10,392 Well, it's all very quiet. 911 00:58:11,850 --> 00:58:17,641 And I just have to tell myself that I'm all right 912 00:58:17,642 --> 00:58:21,933 because if I... if I, um... 913 00:58:22,975 --> 00:58:27,808 talked about how I was feeling, it would make me even more frightened. 914 00:58:39,642 --> 00:58:43,058 See, all this is exhausting for me... 915 00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:46,267 unfortunately. 916 00:58:47,308 --> 00:58:49,099 Is your granny... 917 00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:52,974 John, does your granny manage, like, on her own? 918 00:58:52,975 --> 00:58:55,266 - Yeah. - Yeah? 919 00:58:55,267 --> 00:58:58,392 - How old is she? - She's 90. 920 00:58:59,475 --> 00:59:02,891 - Really? - But, uh... 921 00:59:02,892 --> 00:59:05,682 Is she in a care place? 922 00:59:05,683 --> 00:59:07,349 No, not at the moment. 923 00:59:07,350 --> 00:59:09,307 - She's still at home? - Still at home. 924 00:59:09,308 --> 00:59:11,517 She's got a lot of neighbors... 925 00:59:12,517 --> 00:59:15,057 uh, who visit her every day. 926 00:59:15,058 --> 00:59:18,057 - Wow. That's... - But she's a very able woman. 927 00:59:18,058 --> 00:59:20,433 - Isn't that wonderful? - She's very healthy. 928 00:59:30,017 --> 00:59:32,267 Ooh, it's very dark. 929 00:59:38,475 --> 00:59:41,599 Across the country, nursing home residents 930 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,932 account for almost 60%, of coronavirus deaths, 931 00:59:45,933 --> 00:59:49,099 amongst the worst in the world. 932 00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:50,724 The pandemic taught us a lot. 933 00:59:50,725 --> 00:59:55,766 Above all else, I think, that privatized services don't work. 934 00:59:55,767 --> 00:59:57,558 Particularly when they're essential services 935 00:59:57,683 --> 01:00:00,141 because in the end, the government needs to intervene 936 01:00:00,142 --> 01:00:01,807 to make sure we continue getting them. 937 01:00:01,808 --> 01:00:05,224 This is a gig economy, it's a casualized workforce. 938 01:00:05,225 --> 01:00:06,807 We get paid a pittance 939 01:00:06,808 --> 01:00:09,391 and I need to work at five different homes in a week, 940 01:00:09,392 --> 01:00:10,891 otherwise I cannot feed my family. 941 01:00:10,892 --> 01:00:14,307 The skill involved in caring 942 01:00:14,308 --> 01:00:16,307 is just not recognized, 943 01:00:16,308 --> 01:00:18,849 completely undervalued. 944 01:00:18,850 --> 01:00:21,266 You don't usually remember all the machines 945 01:00:21,267 --> 01:00:23,057 and the stethoscopes and the fancy thing, 946 01:00:23,058 --> 01:00:25,016 but you will remember the touch 947 01:00:25,017 --> 01:00:26,724 of the nurse or the care worker 948 01:00:26,725 --> 01:00:28,724 and the kindness, the compassion. 949 01:00:28,725 --> 01:00:32,557 We just don't have enough of the right people 950 01:00:32,558 --> 01:00:35,600 with the right skills across the system. 951 01:00:37,267 --> 01:00:39,682 I'll just get the bubbles out. 952 01:00:46,975 --> 01:00:48,391 Well done. 953 01:00:48,392 --> 01:00:51,724 Oh, look at this girl. She's got a pirate ship. 954 01:00:51,725 --> 01:00:53,391 Oh, so she has. 955 01:00:55,017 --> 01:00:57,307 I wonder if she's going to sail it. 956 01:00:57,308 --> 01:01:01,017 I don't think she'll ever see it again if she lets it out now. 957 01:01:05,392 --> 01:01:08,766 So, Mum, if you were in aged care, I could pick you up 958 01:01:08,767 --> 01:01:11,183 and we could sneak out and do this maybe. 959 01:01:11,850 --> 01:01:13,516 Well, I'll keep that in mind 960 01:01:13,517 --> 01:01:17,891 because, you know, it's nerve-racking 961 01:01:17,892 --> 01:01:23,182 that you're going to go into this place 962 01:01:23,183 --> 01:01:25,141 where you're not alone, 963 01:01:25,142 --> 01:01:28,266 which is one of the reasons I'd like to do it. 964 01:01:28,267 --> 01:01:30,350 Yeah, 'cause you're not alone. 965 01:01:33,683 --> 01:01:35,724 Do you think you could ring and book yourself 966 01:01:35,725 --> 01:01:37,391 into an aged care place? 967 01:01:37,392 --> 01:01:39,349 - No, I don't want to do that. - Why? 968 01:01:39,350 --> 01:01:41,599 But why couldn't you do it rather than me? 969 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,349 I don't... 970 01:01:43,350 --> 01:01:47,266 I don't want to do many of the things that you insist on. 971 01:01:47,267 --> 01:01:49,474 - For instance... - No, but I would like you... 972 01:01:49,475 --> 01:01:51,516 Why do I have to do it? 973 01:01:51,517 --> 01:01:53,557 Now, that's a nice little dog. 974 01:01:53,558 --> 01:01:55,307 Look at that one. 975 01:01:55,308 --> 01:01:57,391 That's cute, like Jerry. 976 01:01:57,392 --> 01:01:59,475 Yeah, a bit like Jerry. 977 01:02:00,350 --> 01:02:02,057 Can you do all the phone calls? 978 01:02:02,058 --> 01:02:05,057 I used to, always. I did everything. 979 01:02:05,058 --> 01:02:07,933 But I don't know. I've lost the... the will. 980 01:02:08,850 --> 01:02:12,307 But do you think you could do it without me? 981 01:02:12,308 --> 01:02:13,641 No. 982 01:02:13,642 --> 01:02:16,266 What if I went somewhere and lived overseas? 983 01:02:16,267 --> 01:02:17,974 - How would you do it? - Well, you did. 984 01:02:17,975 --> 01:02:20,807 - You went away on holiday. - Yeah, for two weeks. 985 01:02:20,808 --> 01:02:23,225 I'm talking about, what if I went for two years? 986 01:02:24,558 --> 01:02:27,725 Well, I'd just turn up my toes and... 987 01:02:33,683 --> 01:02:36,724 It's been such a great thing, 988 01:02:36,725 --> 01:02:39,016 what you've done for me, 989 01:02:39,017 --> 01:02:40,641 because I couldn't have done 990 01:02:40,642 --> 01:02:43,475 many of the things that you've taken over. 991 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,725 And you've done it well. 992 01:03:09,350 --> 01:03:10,807 Come in. 993 01:03:10,808 --> 01:03:12,682 Hello, my dear. 994 01:03:12,683 --> 01:03:14,516 Let me just... 995 01:03:14,517 --> 01:03:16,266 - Whoops-a-daisy! - Hello! 996 01:03:16,267 --> 01:03:18,392 - Heya. - Hey. 997 01:03:20,267 --> 01:03:24,016 Now that I have moved away from your area, 998 01:03:24,017 --> 01:03:26,266 I would like to introduce 999 01:03:26,267 --> 01:03:29,224 another care finder in this area. 1000 01:03:29,225 --> 01:03:32,807 And they will assist me, like... 1001 01:03:32,808 --> 01:03:35,141 - What I do. - Going shopping? 1002 01:03:35,142 --> 01:03:40,099 That's something that I am going to find out today 1003 01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:42,266 with My Aged Care. 1004 01:03:44,392 --> 01:03:46,182 Good afternoon. 1005 01:03:46,183 --> 01:03:49,182 Welcome to the Online Services Support Hotline. 1006 01:03:49,183 --> 01:03:53,307 This help desk provides customer support for your myGov account 1007 01:03:53,308 --> 01:03:56,224 or Services Australia online accounts. 1008 01:03:56,225 --> 01:03:59,224 If you haven't received your security code 1009 01:03:59,225 --> 01:04:01,474 to sign into your myGov account, 1010 01:04:01,475 --> 01:04:07,350 go to my.gov.au and search 'tips for troubleshooting'... 1011 01:04:08,058 --> 01:04:10,057 Keeping up with technology. 1012 01:04:10,058 --> 01:04:12,932 I'm not frightened of it, I just can't keep up with it, 1013 01:04:12,933 --> 01:04:15,224 you know, at the present moment. 1014 01:04:15,225 --> 01:04:22,224 Your whole system sort of goes into a bit of a rut and a grind. 1015 01:04:22,225 --> 01:04:23,807 For assistance 1016 01:04:23,808 --> 01:04:25,891 with a myGov linking code, press 2. 1017 01:04:25,892 --> 01:04:29,141 When they do that thing where they give you a little... 1018 01:04:29,142 --> 01:04:31,224 code, a special code, 1019 01:04:31,225 --> 01:04:33,099 I say, "Don't do that!" 1020 01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:35,099 Because my eyesight 1021 01:04:35,100 --> 01:04:38,349 and the rest of me just can't cope with it. 1022 01:04:38,350 --> 01:04:40,391 To hear these options again, 1023 01:04:40,392 --> 01:04:42,099 please press 9. 1024 01:04:44,392 --> 01:04:46,225 When you can't hear, 1025 01:04:46,725 --> 01:04:49,599 sounds come in at different levels. 1026 01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,849 It can be very disconcerting. 1027 01:04:51,850 --> 01:04:55,767 And when they play that music... 1028 01:04:56,808 --> 01:05:01,724 Oh, it can play havoc with your hearing aids. 1029 01:05:01,725 --> 01:05:04,182 You know, 1030 01:05:04,183 --> 01:05:06,391 sometimes they make funny noises 1031 01:05:06,392 --> 01:05:10,432 and then you're trying to listen to people on the telephone. 1032 01:05:10,433 --> 01:05:12,182 It's a challenge. 1033 01:05:14,892 --> 01:05:17,182 I would simplify things, you know? 1034 01:05:17,183 --> 01:05:21,016 Like, I would put a person, a human being 1035 01:05:21,017 --> 01:05:24,224 to answer the phone 1036 01:05:24,225 --> 01:05:27,891 and I would not go, like, from option A to option C, 1037 01:05:27,892 --> 01:05:31,932 then to option B and then to option C again 1038 01:05:31,933 --> 01:05:33,766 and then by the time you reach someone, 1039 01:05:33,767 --> 01:05:35,516 it's, like, an hour. 1040 01:05:38,642 --> 01:05:41,807 One last thing that I also found out... 1041 01:05:41,808 --> 01:05:44,141 I don't know if you're interested at all. 1042 01:05:44,142 --> 01:05:48,057 Knox City Council, around here they have a talking cafe. 1043 01:05:48,058 --> 01:05:50,891 - They have which? - A talking cafe. 1044 01:05:50,892 --> 01:05:54,224 It's, like, for people who are over 65 1045 01:05:54,225 --> 01:05:57,641 who are feeling a bit isolated. 1046 01:05:57,642 --> 01:06:00,057 Oh, they might have a book club too. 1047 01:06:00,058 --> 01:06:02,474 They do! They do meet, like, a lot of... 1048 01:06:02,475 --> 01:06:05,016 I love my independence. 1049 01:06:05,017 --> 01:06:08,558 I'll do the best I can to maintain it. 1050 01:06:09,683 --> 01:06:14,308 I am grateful for all those who made it happen. 1051 01:06:16,225 --> 01:06:18,974 That little lass, she's... 1052 01:06:18,975 --> 01:06:23,475 she's just absolutely wonderful. 1053 01:06:26,308 --> 01:06:27,974 - Thank you, sweetheart. - All right. 1054 01:06:27,975 --> 01:06:29,641 Okay, I will see you soon. 1055 01:06:29,642 --> 01:06:31,557 You'd think, as a care finder, 1056 01:06:31,558 --> 01:06:34,474 you'd do, like, only linking someone in My Aged Care, 1057 01:06:34,475 --> 01:06:36,141 but I do more than that. 1058 01:06:36,142 --> 01:06:37,807 - Bye. - Bye, darling. 1059 01:06:37,808 --> 01:06:39,807 There's a lot of loneliness. 1060 01:06:39,808 --> 01:06:43,516 You rely on some worker to come to your home 1061 01:06:43,517 --> 01:06:46,767 and to give you that community connection. 1062 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,642 Which one was the house you were born? 1063 01:06:57,725 --> 01:07:00,182 - This one. - And where did you ski? 1064 01:07:00,183 --> 01:07:03,474 Here, there, everywhere, cross-country. 1065 01:07:03,475 --> 01:07:06,349 And how old were you when you started skiing? 1066 01:07:06,350 --> 01:07:08,266 12. 1067 01:07:08,267 --> 01:07:12,766 And he's got also... He won a prize skiing. 1068 01:07:12,767 --> 01:07:15,182 Cross-country championship. Yeah. 1069 01:07:15,183 --> 01:07:17,475 Yeah, yeah, at 12. 1070 01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,641 I think at home 1071 01:07:21,642 --> 01:07:27,807 you would have a better quality of life with support services. 1072 01:07:27,808 --> 01:07:31,141 So your plan is for you and Mario to stay here? 1073 01:07:31,142 --> 01:07:35,224 I keep on telling him, "Mate, we've got to keep healthy. 1074 01:07:35,225 --> 01:07:36,974 We've got to keep healthy." 1075 01:07:36,975 --> 01:07:39,849 So Mario might want to go up the ladder. 1076 01:07:39,850 --> 01:07:41,557 I say, "No, no, no, no, no. 1077 01:07:41,558 --> 01:07:43,557 We've got to keep healthy 1078 01:07:43,558 --> 01:07:47,808 because the alternative is much worse." 1079 01:07:48,850 --> 01:07:53,682 We're a proud lot. We want to be independent as much. 1080 01:07:53,683 --> 01:07:58,475 So we ask for help when it's almost too late. 1081 01:07:59,642 --> 01:08:02,099 Yes, there is some isolation, 1082 01:08:02,100 --> 01:08:05,641 but I think I feel confident 1083 01:08:05,642 --> 01:08:08,808 that we could stay at home a long time. 1084 01:08:11,392 --> 01:08:13,849 I go to the University of the Third Age. 1085 01:08:13,850 --> 01:08:17,141 I love it because not only do I practice my Italian, 1086 01:08:17,142 --> 01:08:20,350 but the knowledge is great. 1087 01:08:21,392 --> 01:08:24,057 Mario loves his garden, 1088 01:08:24,058 --> 01:08:26,474 can fix anything you put in front of him, 1089 01:08:26,475 --> 01:08:28,224 but he doesn't want to read, 1090 01:08:28,225 --> 01:08:30,557 he doesn't want to learn anything else. 1091 01:08:30,558 --> 01:08:35,141 So take that away, and that would be real trouble. 1092 01:08:35,142 --> 01:08:39,557 There would be depression setting in and all that. 1093 01:08:39,558 --> 01:08:42,641 "No, no, no, no. I don't need anyone to do the garden." 1094 01:08:42,642 --> 01:08:44,849 And Mario helps me to clean. 1095 01:08:44,850 --> 01:08:46,891 He does the kitchen every night. 1096 01:08:46,892 --> 01:08:52,766 I cook and he does the dishes, cleaning... 1097 01:08:52,767 --> 01:08:54,724 He's the perfect husband. 1098 01:08:54,725 --> 01:08:58,516 - Hey, hang on. - Oh, dear! 1099 01:08:58,517 --> 01:09:01,142 Hang on a second! 1100 01:09:05,267 --> 01:09:07,057 There's no such thing. 1101 01:09:07,058 --> 01:09:09,682 You... you could say 98%. 1102 01:09:09,683 --> 01:09:12,849 - All right. - Leave 2%. 1103 01:09:32,267 --> 01:09:35,807 We can't stay up until 12 o'clock anymore, 1104 01:09:35,808 --> 01:09:38,558 but we dance together. 1105 01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,182 The first time I sat with him 1106 01:09:55,183 --> 01:09:59,057 when we went to that blessed Boathouse, 1107 01:09:59,058 --> 01:10:00,891 I felt good. 1108 01:10:00,892 --> 01:10:02,517 I just felt good. 1109 01:10:03,850 --> 01:10:05,517 And that's it. 1110 01:10:14,308 --> 01:10:16,683 But you need to want to grow old together. 1111 01:10:17,725 --> 01:10:21,974 I'm not perfect. He's not perfect. 1112 01:10:21,975 --> 01:10:26,224 But you have to make a decision whether you want that relationship 1113 01:10:26,225 --> 01:10:29,391 and, therefore, you work towards that. 1114 01:10:29,392 --> 01:10:34,391 If your idea is to grow old together, 1115 01:10:34,392 --> 01:10:36,767 then it can happen. 1116 01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:41,724 Older people need proper care. 1117 01:10:41,725 --> 01:10:44,599 They need things like strong communication. 1118 01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,641 - Touch. - Empathy. 1119 01:10:46,642 --> 01:10:48,266 - Love. - Dignity. 1120 01:10:48,267 --> 01:10:50,974 - Respect. - And care. 1121 01:10:50,975 --> 01:10:53,141 So if we keep cutting corners, 1122 01:10:53,142 --> 01:10:55,516 it's not just Grandma who's in trouble. 1123 01:10:55,517 --> 01:10:58,432 We're all in trouble. 1124 01:11:13,892 --> 01:11:17,099 When people arrive at our dementia cafes, 1125 01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:19,932 they're welcomed by our volunteer team, 1126 01:11:19,933 --> 01:11:21,724 by our facilitator. 1127 01:11:21,725 --> 01:11:23,682 Everybody has a name tag. 1128 01:11:23,683 --> 01:11:25,267 It just has their name on it. 1129 01:11:25,392 --> 01:11:28,016 There's no other labels 1130 01:11:28,017 --> 01:11:29,849 or anything that highlights 1131 01:11:29,850 --> 01:11:32,766 that they might be living with dementia themselves. 1132 01:11:32,767 --> 01:11:35,558 And the beauty of that is, is that nobody feels 1133 01:11:35,933 --> 01:11:37,807 different to anybody else. 1134 01:11:37,808 --> 01:11:40,432 That everybody is equal in our cafes. 1135 01:11:40,433 --> 01:11:43,891 Oh, we can't win. We don't remember the game! 1136 01:11:43,892 --> 01:11:46,057 Yeah, coffee. 1137 01:11:46,058 --> 01:11:49,391 - Coffee? Milk? Milk? - Yeah. 1138 01:11:49,392 --> 01:11:51,141 You've got the flat white? 1139 01:11:51,142 --> 01:11:53,016 No, it's a good atmosphere here. 1140 01:11:53,017 --> 01:11:55,724 Oh, and the people are interesting as well. 1141 01:11:57,683 --> 01:11:59,807 One story I hear time and time again 1142 01:11:59,808 --> 01:12:01,682 from new enquiries is, 1143 01:12:01,683 --> 01:12:03,766 "My partner has been diagnosed with dementia 1144 01:12:03,767 --> 01:12:06,557 and, as a result, they have withdrawn from society. 1145 01:12:06,558 --> 01:12:08,266 They're too scared to go out. 1146 01:12:08,267 --> 01:12:12,016 They're embarrassed, they're ashamed and so they withdraw." 1147 01:12:12,017 --> 01:12:16,724 So to have a social outlet to come to 1148 01:12:16,725 --> 01:12:20,141 where everybody's going through similar experiences, 1149 01:12:20,142 --> 01:12:23,932 the best feedback I can receive is when people say, 1150 01:12:23,933 --> 01:12:27,141 "I can't tell who are the ones living with dementia and who aren't," 1151 01:12:27,142 --> 01:12:30,016 because everybody's interacting, everybody's enjoying themselves 1152 01:12:30,017 --> 01:12:31,557 and everybody has a connection. 1153 01:12:31,558 --> 01:12:35,182 It's Judy and Roy's 65th wedding anniversary tomorrow. 1154 01:12:38,350 --> 01:12:40,974 And she said, "Don't tell anyone!" 1155 01:12:43,225 --> 01:12:46,017 And it looks like our guests are here! 1156 01:12:50,850 --> 01:12:55,557 Today we invited some of the Kinder children 1157 01:12:55,558 --> 01:12:57,266 from the early learning center 1158 01:12:57,267 --> 01:12:59,641 to come and join us preparing for Christmas. 1159 01:12:59,642 --> 01:13:04,182 So we generally like to do some sort of craft activity 1160 01:13:04,183 --> 01:13:08,932 or something that we can then display at our Christmas party. 1161 01:13:22,517 --> 01:13:26,182 They're part of a community, they get to speak with younger people, 1162 01:13:26,183 --> 01:13:29,766 they don't feel like they're locked away and I think that's the sort of... 1163 01:13:29,767 --> 01:13:32,432 That's the first thing that we get wrong in Australia. 1164 01:13:32,433 --> 01:13:35,891 Our aged care homes are pretty much completely segregated 1165 01:13:35,892 --> 01:13:37,600 from the rest of the community. 1166 01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:43,016 I think models that allow older people some presence in the general community 1167 01:13:43,017 --> 01:13:46,141 rather than being entirely kind of locked away, 1168 01:13:46,142 --> 01:13:48,391 seem like a really good starting place. 1169 01:13:48,392 --> 01:13:50,724 Every one of us is going to get older. 1170 01:13:50,725 --> 01:13:53,724 It's the one sector, more than any other, 1171 01:13:53,725 --> 01:13:57,141 where we can start involving community. 1172 01:13:57,142 --> 01:13:59,599 Bring them back into taking control 1173 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,099 of their lives, of their communities, 1174 01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:03,807 instead of being controlled. 1175 01:14:03,808 --> 01:14:07,016 And I think it's government's job to build community 1176 01:14:07,017 --> 01:14:10,391 so that community takes over these roles and local... 1177 01:14:10,392 --> 01:14:12,099 These things are managed locally 1178 01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:14,641 and supported by central government. 1179 01:14:14,642 --> 01:14:16,807 He's got a blue shirt, has he? 1180 01:14:16,808 --> 01:14:21,099 As soon as babies can understand language 1181 01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:24,349 in the mother's tummy, in the womb, 1182 01:14:24,350 --> 01:14:27,099 through their growing years, 1183 01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:29,558 they should be hearing about aged care... 1184 01:14:30,517 --> 01:14:36,100 and the sorts of issues that elderly people face. 1185 01:14:37,142 --> 01:14:40,224 It would often be very difficult 1186 01:14:40,225 --> 01:14:43,141 if the person was solely on their own, 1187 01:14:43,142 --> 01:14:45,057 but if they're in a community 1188 01:14:45,058 --> 01:14:47,849 and they're loved by their community, 1189 01:14:47,850 --> 01:14:54,099 um, the community will step up and come and help. 1190 01:15:00,392 --> 01:15:03,474 Until our community are engaged 1191 01:15:03,475 --> 01:15:05,682 as citizens and participants 1192 01:15:05,683 --> 01:15:10,807 who care about creating a better future of ageing, 1193 01:15:10,808 --> 01:15:13,225 no structural reform... 1194 01:15:14,267 --> 01:15:15,892 will get us there. 1195 01:15:18,517 --> 01:15:22,307 Once again, governments come and go. 1196 01:15:22,308 --> 01:15:26,516 A guy named Anthony promised to fix it all. 1197 01:15:26,517 --> 01:15:28,392 Good afternoon. 1198 01:15:29,433 --> 01:15:33,349 Today, we are putting the care back into aged care. 1199 01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:35,974 We're announcing the greatest improvement 1200 01:15:35,975 --> 01:15:39,391 in aged care in 30 years. 1201 01:15:39,392 --> 01:15:41,141 This sounds good. 1202 01:15:41,142 --> 01:15:43,974 Will he make Grandma's life better? 1203 01:15:43,975 --> 01:15:46,682 In October 2022, 1204 01:15:46,683 --> 01:15:52,349 they passed a bill that was an amendment to the Aged Care Act. 1205 01:15:52,350 --> 01:15:55,224 "You must have a registered nurse in every nursing home." 1206 01:15:55,225 --> 01:15:57,641 But the aged care industry 1207 01:15:57,642 --> 01:15:59,766 didn't like this idea at all. 1208 01:15:59,767 --> 01:16:02,516 Once again, they cried poor. 1209 01:16:02,517 --> 01:16:05,557 The families of almost 200 aged care residents 1210 01:16:05,558 --> 01:16:07,766 are in a state of disbelief tonight, 1211 01:16:07,767 --> 01:16:11,307 with the shock closure of three Wesley Mission nursing homes. 1212 01:16:11,308 --> 01:16:13,182 Joining me now is the CEO 1213 01:16:13,183 --> 01:16:16,474 and Superintendent of Wesley Mission, Reverend Stu Cameron. 1214 01:16:16,475 --> 01:16:18,807 People who are watching, should they be worried 1215 01:16:18,808 --> 01:16:22,224 the home that their parents are in could be next? 1216 01:16:22,225 --> 01:16:24,557 I think... Leila, I think there's a lot of change 1217 01:16:24,558 --> 01:16:26,682 that has happened and will continue to happen... 1218 01:16:26,683 --> 01:16:28,016 - So yes? - Yes. 1219 01:16:28,017 --> 01:16:29,391 I think there will be more. 1220 01:16:29,392 --> 01:16:34,641 So they're very worried about threats that come from nursing homes. 1221 01:16:34,642 --> 01:16:36,807 "Oh, we have to... We're gonna have to shut down. 1222 01:16:36,808 --> 01:16:39,099 If we don't get this, we're gonna have to shut down." 1223 01:16:39,100 --> 01:16:42,307 And so they basically hold the government hostage. 1224 01:16:42,308 --> 01:16:44,224 I think the profit motive 1225 01:16:44,225 --> 01:16:49,141 is very damaging to health and aged care. 1226 01:16:49,142 --> 01:16:51,683 They're very uncomfortable bedfellows. 1227 01:17:10,517 --> 01:17:12,349 What was that? 1228 01:17:12,350 --> 01:17:14,267 There's the phone. 1229 01:17:21,267 --> 01:17:23,642 Do I put this out tomorrow? 1230 01:17:24,683 --> 01:17:26,142 Friday. 1231 01:17:28,225 --> 01:17:31,058 How long have you been doing exercise classes for? 1232 01:17:31,725 --> 01:17:34,266 Oh, this is my second year. 1233 01:17:34,267 --> 01:17:37,141 - And do you like it? - Yes, I do. 1234 01:17:37,142 --> 01:17:38,767 - Very much. - Why? 1235 01:17:39,517 --> 01:17:41,183 Why do you like it? 1236 01:17:43,767 --> 01:17:46,682 I like it because it's... 1237 01:17:46,683 --> 01:17:51,099 I'm able to do or try to do all of them. 1238 01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:53,766 It's not that difficult. 1239 01:17:53,767 --> 01:17:56,474 And they're very nice people. 1240 01:17:56,475 --> 01:17:59,142 But do you do it for a reason? 1241 01:18:00,433 --> 01:18:04,182 Well, I keep hearing that exercises 1242 01:18:04,183 --> 01:18:06,392 are terribly important. 1243 01:18:07,558 --> 01:18:10,891 I should do some on other days as well, 1244 01:18:10,892 --> 01:18:13,725 but there is no-one that will pick me up. 1245 01:18:16,808 --> 01:18:20,266 Last year, my legs felt stronger 1246 01:18:20,267 --> 01:18:22,766 so I'm hoping the same thing will happen 1247 01:18:22,767 --> 01:18:27,433 'cause I've had no exercises over the Christmas period. 1248 01:18:28,475 --> 01:18:31,682 So doing it, surely, is partly trying to keep you 1249 01:18:31,683 --> 01:18:33,557 out of a nursing home maybe. 1250 01:18:33,558 --> 01:18:35,766 'Cause if you couldn't walk, what would happen? 1251 01:18:35,767 --> 01:18:38,557 Oh, I'd have to go in... 1252 01:18:38,558 --> 01:18:41,516 or you'd have to come and live with me. 1253 01:18:41,517 --> 01:18:45,849 We don't want that. Where would I sleep? 1254 01:18:45,850 --> 01:18:48,849 In one of the bedrooms. I've got two. 1255 01:18:48,850 --> 01:18:52,724 I'll come and visit you at the nursing home. 1256 01:18:52,725 --> 01:18:53,975 Yeah. 1257 01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:57,725 - Take your time. - Yes. 1258 01:19:00,350 --> 01:19:03,182 - Yeah, just push my back. - Oh, push your back. All right. 1259 01:19:03,183 --> 01:19:05,141 A bit of a shove. 1260 01:19:05,142 --> 01:19:06,308 You right? 1261 01:19:07,683 --> 01:19:09,016 - All righty. - Yes, good. 1262 01:19:09,017 --> 01:19:10,974 - You comfortable? Sorry. - Thank you. Thank you. 1263 01:19:10,975 --> 01:19:13,016 - That's good. - No worries. 1264 01:19:23,975 --> 01:19:27,224 I've travelled all around the world. 1265 01:19:27,225 --> 01:19:29,266 How lucky are you, Margaret? 1266 01:19:29,267 --> 01:19:32,057 - I don't know about that. - Yeah. 1267 01:19:32,058 --> 01:19:34,057 Some of it was terrific, 1268 01:19:34,058 --> 01:19:36,932 but we had a year in the Philippines... 1269 01:19:36,933 --> 01:19:39,557 Oh, wow. For your husband's work, was it? 1270 01:19:39,558 --> 01:19:43,266 Yes, he was at the University of the Philippines. 1271 01:19:43,267 --> 01:19:45,932 And I've been to the Chinese Wall. 1272 01:19:45,933 --> 01:19:48,932 - I nearly forgot that. - Oh! 1273 01:19:48,933 --> 01:19:52,474 Yeah, I went with a friend years ago. 1274 01:19:52,475 --> 01:19:53,933 Yep. 1275 01:20:00,558 --> 01:20:02,974 That's my daughter, by the way, 1276 01:20:02,975 --> 01:20:05,599 that's doing the film, and that's my granddaughter. 1277 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,641 Oh, right, okay. Oh, hey. 1278 01:20:08,642 --> 01:20:10,432 - Hello. - How are you? 1279 01:20:10,433 --> 01:20:12,557 She's making one about old age. 1280 01:20:12,558 --> 01:20:15,766 - Oh, yeah? - And I'm in it. 1281 01:20:24,725 --> 01:20:26,516 I thought I was going to fall. 1282 01:20:26,517 --> 01:20:28,641 That's always my terror. 1283 01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,100 Three more each. 1284 01:20:43,850 --> 01:20:44,975 Two. 1285 01:20:46,475 --> 01:20:49,516 And one. All right, legs out straight. 1286 01:20:49,517 --> 01:20:52,142 Let's just raise them up and down 10 times. 1287 01:20:53,267 --> 01:20:56,307 Yep, and get them arms going! 1288 01:20:56,308 --> 01:20:58,599 Up and down, sideways. 1289 01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,850 Six, seven... 1290 01:21:02,850 --> 01:21:04,516 ...eight... 1291 01:21:04,517 --> 01:21:06,682 So it'll be right, left, right. 1292 01:21:06,683 --> 01:21:10,849 Right up, left side, right straight. 1293 01:21:10,850 --> 01:21:12,307 Oh, my God! 1294 01:21:12,308 --> 01:21:16,017 - So, up, hook, right. - Side... 1295 01:21:16,517 --> 01:21:18,683 Right, hook, right. 1296 01:21:22,058 --> 01:21:25,642 All right, guys, I reckon you've done very well today. 1297 01:21:34,975 --> 01:21:37,932 No-one really talks about aged care until they're old. 1298 01:21:37,933 --> 01:21:41,057 Yeah, we should be talking about it a lot earlier. 1299 01:21:41,058 --> 01:21:43,224 We'll never fix our aged care system 1300 01:21:43,225 --> 01:21:46,766 unless we realize we're all in this together. 1301 01:21:46,767 --> 01:21:49,099 Maybe governments could work for us 1302 01:21:49,100 --> 01:21:51,224 instead of whoever pays them the most. 1303 01:21:51,225 --> 01:21:55,266 But surely our governments care more about people than money. 1304 01:21:55,267 --> 01:21:57,016 Yeah, you'd hope so. 1305 01:21:57,017 --> 01:21:59,807 But the lobby is very powerful. 1306 01:21:59,808 --> 01:22:02,016 If they continue to drive policy, 1307 01:22:02,017 --> 01:22:03,850 aged care won't work for us. 1308 01:22:30,975 --> 01:22:35,099 We're involved in a seniors Italian group 1309 01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:38,016 of 70 people. 1310 01:22:38,017 --> 01:22:41,849 There are 10 males. 1311 01:22:41,850 --> 01:22:44,683 The rest, they're all female, 1312 01:22:45,433 --> 01:22:48,766 and they all live at home. 1313 01:23:25,225 --> 01:23:29,849 Most of our members have had a pretty hard life, 1314 01:23:29,850 --> 01:23:33,057 like all... all migrants 1315 01:23:33,058 --> 01:23:36,557 of the '50s, '60s and '70s. 1316 01:23:36,558 --> 01:23:40,599 You reach a certain age, you've had enough. 1317 01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:43,599 Not that once they stop working, 1318 01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,224 they've got nothing to do. 1319 01:23:45,225 --> 01:23:47,349 They raise all the grandchildren first. 1320 01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:51,807 But once you arrive at this age, you've had enough. 1321 01:23:53,517 --> 01:23:56,474 # Let's dance in style Let's dance for a while # 1322 01:23:56,475 --> 01:23:58,182 # Heaven can wait # 1323 01:23:58,183 --> 01:24:00,349 # We're only watching the skies # 1324 01:24:00,350 --> 01:24:02,016 # Hoping for the best # 1325 01:24:02,017 --> 01:24:03,724 # But expecting the worst # 1326 01:24:03,725 --> 01:24:06,725 # Are you gonna drop the bomb or not? # 1327 01:24:07,767 --> 01:24:11,307 # Let us die young Or let us live forever # 1328 01:24:11,308 --> 01:24:14,932 # We don't have the power But we never say never # 1329 01:24:14,933 --> 01:24:16,932 # Sitting in a sandpit # 1330 01:24:16,933 --> 01:24:18,766 # Life is a short trip # 1331 01:24:18,767 --> 01:24:21,100 # The music's for the sad man # 1332 01:24:22,308 --> 01:24:25,641 # Can you imagine when this race is won? # 1333 01:24:25,642 --> 01:24:29,016 # Turn our golden faces into the sun # 1334 01:24:29,017 --> 01:24:31,224 # Praising our leaders # 1335 01:24:31,225 --> 01:24:32,932 # We're getting in tune # 1336 01:24:32,933 --> 01:24:35,224 # The music's played by the # 1337 01:24:35,225 --> 01:24:36,599 # The mad man # 1338 01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,849 # Forever young # 1339 01:24:38,850 --> 01:24:42,558 # I want to be forever young # 1340 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,391 # Do you really want to live forever? # 1341 01:24:47,392 --> 01:24:48,891 # Forever # 1342 01:24:48,892 --> 01:24:50,974 # And ever # 1343 01:24:50,975 --> 01:24:53,557 # Forever young # 1344 01:24:53,558 --> 01:24:56,016 # I want to be forever young... # 1345 01:24:56,017 --> 01:24:57,932 So you want to do a cheers? 1346 01:24:57,933 --> 01:24:59,392 Mmm. 1347 01:25:00,892 --> 01:25:03,141 So, Mum, why are you doing this film? 1348 01:25:03,142 --> 01:25:05,932 Because I thought it would help you 1349 01:25:05,933 --> 01:25:09,391 because I wasn't as helpful when you were doing the others. 1350 01:25:09,392 --> 01:25:12,474 You must understand, I don't... 1351 01:25:12,475 --> 01:25:16,141 You're comfortable with all these things. I'm not. 1352 01:25:16,142 --> 01:25:19,016 - But we're finished now. - Nearly finished. 1353 01:25:19,017 --> 01:25:21,932 But it's a nice opportunity to spend time together. 1354 01:25:21,933 --> 01:25:23,682 Would you suggest that? 1355 01:25:23,683 --> 01:25:28,099 And Lola and Claudie and Ben and Jeremy and... 1356 01:25:28,100 --> 01:25:30,766 Well, I don't know so much about them, 1357 01:25:30,767 --> 01:25:35,766 but I'm sure if I got to know them more intimately, 1358 01:25:35,767 --> 01:25:39,600 I would find they were absolutely charming. 1359 01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:44,141 - I think that's enough now. - Okay, no worries. 1360 01:25:44,142 --> 01:25:46,141 - Good. - Well done. 1361 01:25:46,142 --> 01:25:48,641 - Thank you. - Nothing else you want to add? 1362 01:25:48,642 --> 01:25:50,849 - No. - You sure? 1363 01:25:50,850 --> 01:25:53,099 Absolutely certain. 1364 01:25:53,100 --> 01:25:55,141 Thank you so much, Mum, for doing it. 1365 01:25:55,142 --> 01:25:57,641 - Okay. - I really... You can relax. 1366 01:25:57,642 --> 01:25:59,433 - Yes, good, good. - Yeah. 1367 01:26:00,017 --> 01:26:01,349 Goodbye! 1368 01:26:05,392 --> 01:26:07,724 Oh, dear. Goodbye. 1369 01:26:07,725 --> 01:26:11,142 - Well done, Granny. - Oh, thank you, darling. 1370 01:26:11,683 --> 01:26:12,974 Thank you. 1371 01:26:12,975 --> 01:26:14,891 Oh, she's beautiful, isn't she? 1372 01:26:14,892 --> 01:26:16,391 Look how skinny she is. 1373 01:26:16,392 --> 01:26:18,307 All righty, well done. 1374 01:26:18,308 --> 01:26:20,391 And that's a wrap! 1375 01:26:20,392 --> 01:26:22,641 # And ever # 1376 01:26:22,642 --> 01:26:25,099 # Forever young # 1377 01:26:25,100 --> 01:26:28,892 # I want to be forever young # 1378 01:26:29,892 --> 01:26:33,849 # Do you really want to live forever? # 1379 01:26:33,850 --> 01:26:38,682 # Forever young # 109731

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