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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:37,958 --> 00:00:40,625 [girl] Sometimes we're all a little careless. 4 00:00:46,750 --> 00:00:48,958 {\an8}[bleep] me dead. Oh! 5 00:00:50,333 --> 00:00:52,749 {\an8}And tell these dickheads in the embassy 6 00:00:52,750 --> 00:00:54,999 {\an8}to just give me simple sentences. 7 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,207 {\an8}[Barnaby Joyce] I'm on a prescription drug 8 00:00:57,208 --> 00:01:01,540 {\an8}and they say certain things may happen to you if you drink 9 00:01:01,541 --> 00:01:04,374 {\an8}and they were absolutely 100% right. 10 00:01:04,375 --> 00:01:06,541 {\an8}[Anthony Albanese speaks indistinctly] 11 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,500 {\an8}[audience exclaims] 12 00:01:10,958 --> 00:01:12,582 {\an8}[ball thwacks] 13 00:01:12,583 --> 00:01:14,749 {\an8}[speaks indistinctly] 14 00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:17,832 {\an8}[reporter] Politics can be a bruising sport. 15 00:01:17,833 --> 00:01:19,833 {\an8}[people exclaim] 16 00:01:24,291 --> 00:01:27,124 [girl] In countries all over the world, 17 00:01:27,125 --> 00:01:29,624 populations are getting older. 18 00:01:29,625 --> 00:01:31,874 Some countries provide good care 19 00:01:31,875 --> 00:01:34,082 for their ageing populations. 20 00:01:34,083 --> 00:01:35,665 Many countries are worried 21 00:01:35,666 --> 00:01:39,332 about the rapid increase in the number of old people. 22 00:01:39,333 --> 00:01:42,916 It's a problem that gets bigger every year. 23 00:01:43,416 --> 00:01:46,082 In Australia, governments seem to think 24 00:01:46,083 --> 00:01:50,249 that old people and their care don't win elections. 25 00:01:50,250 --> 00:01:54,041 But what's it like to be an older Australian? 26 00:01:54,666 --> 00:01:58,000 If we're lucky, this will be us one day. 27 00:02:05,750 --> 00:02:08,707 [Sue Thomson] Let's go into the kitchen and make a cup of tea. 28 00:02:08,708 --> 00:02:13,416 Oh, yeah. I'm gonna need some help, I think. 29 00:02:16,708 --> 00:02:18,290 [grunts] Yeah. 30 00:02:18,291 --> 00:02:20,957 See, it's because I… I'm not concentrating. 31 00:02:20,958 --> 00:02:22,666 [Sue] It's all right. 32 00:02:23,083 --> 00:02:24,915 [sighs] I don't know whether I can. 33 00:02:24,916 --> 00:02:27,915 - You'll have to pull me up. - [Sue] Oh, okay. Sorry. 34 00:02:27,916 --> 00:02:29,875 - Oh! [chuckles] - [Sue] Yep, yep, yep. 35 00:02:30,916 --> 00:02:33,749 - There I am. - Oh, we did it! [laughs] 36 00:02:33,750 --> 00:02:35,749 How's your arm? 37 00:02:35,750 --> 00:02:39,082 [Sue chuckles] Okay, are we stable? 38 00:02:39,083 --> 00:02:40,790 Yes, I'm stable now. 39 00:02:40,791 --> 00:02:43,874 Just stand and look ahead and just take a breather. 40 00:02:43,875 --> 00:02:46,082 Oh, my goodness. That was full-on. 41 00:02:46,083 --> 00:02:49,124 Oh, you poor girl. I'm so sorry. 42 00:02:49,125 --> 00:02:51,208 No, it's fine! 43 00:02:52,666 --> 00:02:54,665 - Yeah, bash up your daughter. - Normally… 44 00:02:54,666 --> 00:02:57,082 Yeah, just you watch what you're doing on your feet. 45 00:02:57,083 --> 00:02:58,500 [woman] Yes. 46 00:03:01,458 --> 00:03:05,290 [Sue] So did you ever imagine that you would end up 47 00:03:05,291 --> 00:03:07,999 having to consider going into aged care? 48 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,332 Never. Never, never in my wildest dreams. 49 00:03:12,333 --> 00:03:13,750 [Sue] Why? 50 00:03:14,791 --> 00:03:20,790 Because it was like a black mark against you 51 00:03:20,791 --> 00:03:25,665 if someone had to go into a nursing home 52 00:03:25,666 --> 00:03:27,666 when they had family. 53 00:03:28,708 --> 00:03:30,708 It was all on the families. 54 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:33,999 [Sue] I think that's a good point, to be honest. 55 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,458 Do you know, that's why I'm making a film about it. 56 00:03:37,583 --> 00:03:41,124 [woman] It was nice meeting you guys. 57 00:03:41,125 --> 00:03:45,082 You might make a fortune out of this, you know? 58 00:03:45,083 --> 00:03:47,457 [all laugh] 59 00:03:47,458 --> 00:03:51,665 Then you'll be careful! [chuckles] 60 00:03:51,666 --> 00:03:53,416 Oh, dear. 61 00:03:55,625 --> 00:03:58,874 So thanks for doing whatever it is you do. 62 00:03:58,875 --> 00:04:00,332 [laughs] 63 00:04:00,333 --> 00:04:03,250 [driving jazz music playing] 64 00:04:39,708 --> 00:04:41,833 [soft clattering] 65 00:04:58,041 --> 00:05:00,833 You just walk behind me, dear. 66 00:05:03,541 --> 00:05:06,332 [Sue] Do you know your My Aged Care number? 67 00:05:06,333 --> 00:05:07,582 [woman] No. 68 00:05:07,583 --> 00:05:11,665 [Sue] And what about myGov? Do you know how to access that? 69 00:05:11,666 --> 00:05:16,082 MyGov? Well, ask the operator. 70 00:05:16,083 --> 00:05:19,208 [Sue] Okay, here. We can ring My Aged Care. 71 00:05:19,875 --> 00:05:21,707 Why are you ringing them? 72 00:05:21,708 --> 00:05:25,040 [Sue] 'Cause we've gotta ask them about your respite… 73 00:05:25,041 --> 00:05:26,583 Oh. 74 00:05:27,750 --> 00:05:29,499 [Sue] …and see if they can help us. 75 00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:31,457 [automated voice] Welcome to My Aged Care. 76 00:05:31,458 --> 00:05:34,540 Our calls are recorded for training and quality purposes. 77 00:05:34,541 --> 00:05:37,165 If you do not wish for your call to be recorded, 78 00:05:37,166 --> 00:05:39,707 please advise your contact center agent. 79 00:05:39,708 --> 00:05:42,833 [pensive music playing] 80 00:05:53,541 --> 00:05:55,582 [Sue] When you had to become a single mum, 81 00:05:55,583 --> 00:05:58,707 when Dad and you separated, was that hard? 82 00:05:58,708 --> 00:06:00,415 [Margaret] Oh, terribly. 83 00:06:00,416 --> 00:06:04,082 That hurt me because I wanted my children 84 00:06:04,083 --> 00:06:06,832 to be brought up by the same people 85 00:06:06,833 --> 00:06:10,416 and live a very ordinary life. 86 00:06:12,916 --> 00:06:16,082 On the whole, my life has been all right, 87 00:06:16,083 --> 00:06:22,499 but old age is nothing to be pleased about, in my opinion. 88 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:25,791 [sentimental carefree music playing] 89 00:06:31,666 --> 00:06:35,041 It was better to be an older person in the '50s. 90 00:06:35,916 --> 00:06:38,541 At least that's what I think. 91 00:06:40,458 --> 00:06:44,541 Governments used to take better care of older people. 92 00:06:45,583 --> 00:06:47,750 That's how I remember it. 93 00:06:50,208 --> 00:06:53,291 [frantic music playing] 94 00:06:55,666 --> 00:06:59,124 I think it probably changed at the end of the '60s 95 00:06:59,125 --> 00:07:01,540 {\an8}and there was a rapid increase 96 00:07:01,541 --> 00:07:03,582 {\an8}in for-profit providers 97 00:07:03,583 --> 00:07:06,415 {\an8}and they really were interested in the money. 98 00:07:06,416 --> 00:07:09,500 [people jostling] 99 00:07:14,750 --> 00:07:16,291 [cash register dings] 100 00:07:17,708 --> 00:07:20,165 - [doorbell dings] - [Margaret on intercom] Hello. 101 00:07:20,166 --> 00:07:21,790 - Hello. - Hi. 102 00:07:21,791 --> 00:07:23,541 I'll let you in now. 103 00:07:30,041 --> 00:07:33,832 [Sue] Mum, remember I told you the idea that I had 104 00:07:33,833 --> 00:07:35,957 of getting young people 105 00:07:35,958 --> 00:07:38,624 to narrate a film about old people? 106 00:07:38,625 --> 00:07:40,665 - Yes. - So these three 107 00:07:40,666 --> 00:07:43,207 have been part of the narration team, 108 00:07:43,208 --> 00:07:46,915 - 'cause there's a few people doing it. - Well done, girls. Well done. 109 00:07:46,916 --> 00:07:50,082 - And do you have grannies? - [girls] Yes. 110 00:07:50,083 --> 00:07:52,040 [Margaret] And how old are they? 111 00:07:52,041 --> 00:07:54,665 My gran is around 72. 112 00:07:54,666 --> 00:07:56,249 Oh, that's good. 113 00:07:56,250 --> 00:07:58,332 I'm much older than that. 114 00:07:58,333 --> 00:07:59,999 [Sue] Well, how old are you, Mum? 115 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,415 I'm, um, 80… 89. 116 00:08:05,416 --> 00:08:07,707 Are you going to be in the film? 117 00:08:07,708 --> 00:08:08,999 [girls] Yes. 118 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,374 Oh, well done. 119 00:08:11,375 --> 00:08:12,957 - [girl 1] Thanks. - [girl 2] Thank you. 120 00:08:12,958 --> 00:08:17,249 Absolutely marvelous. And I'm sure you'll star. 121 00:08:17,250 --> 00:08:18,708 [girls giggle] 122 00:08:24,166 --> 00:08:27,665 Once upon a time, a Labor prime minister was elected. 123 00:08:27,666 --> 00:08:29,958 [camera shutters click] 124 00:08:31,541 --> 00:08:34,582 {\an8}[girl 2] His government decided to do things differently. 125 00:08:34,583 --> 00:08:38,415 {\an8}They wanted to work closely with the business community. 126 00:08:38,416 --> 00:08:41,290 {\an8}We are about a fundamental change 127 00:08:41,291 --> 00:08:43,290 {\an8}in the way government operates 128 00:08:43,291 --> 00:08:45,207 {\an8}and the way it cooperates 129 00:08:45,208 --> 00:08:48,499 {\an8}with important sectors of the Australian community. 130 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:51,624 {\an8}Hawke's treasurer was a man named Paul. 131 00:08:51,625 --> 00:08:55,249 {\an8}[Paul Keating] We were not trying to run prosperity 132 00:08:55,250 --> 00:08:57,124 {\an8}out of the Commonwealth budget. 133 00:08:57,125 --> 00:09:00,332 {\an8}Rather, we wanted to employ the markets 134 00:09:00,333 --> 00:09:03,165 to make the whole economic pie larger. 135 00:09:03,166 --> 00:09:04,915 From Keating onwards, 136 00:09:04,916 --> 00:09:08,000 you've got the march of neoliberal groupthink. 137 00:09:09,125 --> 00:09:10,790 [girl 1] Governments come and go. 138 00:09:10,791 --> 00:09:13,999 {\an8}Then, a Liberal named John became prime minister. 139 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,332 {\an8}[girl 2] He decided to do things differently. 140 00:09:17,333 --> 00:09:20,500 {\an8}[dramatic sinister operatic music playing] 141 00:09:27,041 --> 00:09:30,499 Welcome to our show-and-tell on the Aged Care Act. 142 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:32,749 To begin our presentation on ageing, 143 00:09:32,750 --> 00:09:37,249 we're going to read a bit from the 1997 Australian Aged Care Act. 144 00:09:37,250 --> 00:09:40,332 [students groan] 145 00:09:40,333 --> 00:09:43,082 "The objects of this act are as follows." 146 00:09:43,083 --> 00:09:45,290 "To provide for funding of aged care 147 00:09:45,291 --> 00:09:48,999 - that takes account of…" - "The quality of the care…" 148 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,207 "The need to ensure access to care that is affordable…" 149 00:09:52,208 --> 00:09:55,457 "And appropriate to the needs of the people who require it." 150 00:09:55,458 --> 00:09:58,249 Basically, what the government is saying here 151 00:09:58,250 --> 00:10:01,040 is every older person will have access 152 00:10:01,041 --> 00:10:03,790 to affordable aged care as they grow old. 153 00:10:03,791 --> 00:10:04,999 [girls cheer] 154 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,957 [woman] In reading the Aged Care Bill, 155 00:10:06,958 --> 00:10:08,874 it would appear that nursing homes 156 00:10:08,875 --> 00:10:12,499 have disappeared and vanished from the face of this earth. 157 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:16,207 {\an8}George Orwell would be proud of this bill. 158 00:10:16,208 --> 00:10:21,082 {\an8}It should be called the Aged Care Bill of 1984, not 1997. 159 00:10:21,083 --> 00:10:23,207 {\an8}I must point out that there is general agreement 160 00:10:23,208 --> 00:10:25,040 {\an8}throughout much of the aged care sector 161 00:10:25,041 --> 00:10:27,207 {\an8}that the lack of capital care funding… 162 00:10:27,208 --> 00:10:28,624 {\an8}in particular, for nursing homes, 163 00:10:28,625 --> 00:10:31,124 estimated to be approximately 800 million 164 00:10:31,125 --> 00:10:34,999 constitutes nothing less than a crisis which must be urgently addressed. 165 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,124 [girl 2] Say hello to my grandma. 166 00:10:37,125 --> 00:10:38,915 That's not your grandma. 167 00:10:38,916 --> 00:10:42,040 Grandma represents everyone who needs care in Australia. 168 00:10:42,041 --> 00:10:45,207 Before 1997, Grandma and her friends 169 00:10:45,208 --> 00:10:48,040 felt the care was already going downhill. 170 00:10:48,041 --> 00:10:51,415 The government didn't like spending on aged care anymore 171 00:10:51,416 --> 00:10:52,999 and the money they did spend 172 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,915 was incentivizing nursing homes to make money. 173 00:10:55,916 --> 00:10:57,625 Not great for Grandma. 174 00:10:58,708 --> 00:11:02,082 But if Grandma thought things were bad before 1997, 175 00:11:02,083 --> 00:11:04,249 she had another thing coming, 176 00:11:04,250 --> 00:11:07,749 and that thing coming was privatization. 177 00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:09,957 [dramatic interlude] 178 00:11:09,958 --> 00:11:11,665 That's where the government said, 179 00:11:11,666 --> 00:11:14,749 "Hey, who wants to make money off Grandma? 180 00:11:14,750 --> 00:11:17,624 We don't want to be responsible for Grandma's care. 181 00:11:17,625 --> 00:11:18,999 You can do it." 182 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,540 So they gave aged care over to private companies 183 00:11:22,541 --> 00:11:24,582 who were very happy about it. 184 00:11:24,583 --> 00:11:27,333 [easygoing music playing] 185 00:11:28,375 --> 00:11:30,124 [reporter] Ageing is an industry 186 00:11:30,125 --> 00:11:34,125 worth over $22 billion a year, and growing. 187 00:11:36,291 --> 00:11:38,499 Today, nursing homes are marketed 188 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:41,082 more like hotels than hospitals. 189 00:11:41,083 --> 00:11:43,374 The elderly no longer patients, 190 00:11:43,375 --> 00:11:44,625 rather customers. 191 00:11:46,500 --> 00:11:49,415 [woman] You don't call most people "consumers." 192 00:11:49,416 --> 00:11:52,749 I think that's quite a demeaning, derogatory term. 193 00:11:52,750 --> 00:11:54,582 Most of the consumer… consumer… 194 00:11:54,583 --> 00:11:56,124 consumer… consumer… consumer… 195 00:11:56,125 --> 00:11:58,415 All consumers are… Consumers… 196 00:11:58,416 --> 00:12:01,374 {\an8}The thought of them just ordering a glass of wine 197 00:12:01,375 --> 00:12:03,082 {\an8}or, you know… 198 00:12:03,083 --> 00:12:06,583 {\an8}I mean, these people are struggling to have their dentures put in. 199 00:12:08,458 --> 00:12:11,332 [woman 2] Well, you're more like selling a cruise. 200 00:12:11,333 --> 00:12:13,707 {\an8}You're selling a cruise with extra packages. 201 00:12:13,708 --> 00:12:15,790 {\an8}You're not selling a service 202 00:12:15,791 --> 00:12:19,249 {\an8}that's keeping your mother, father or whoever 203 00:12:19,250 --> 00:12:21,999 safe, well-looked-after and happy. 204 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:27,583 You know, it's stuff on top that's fluff. It's fluff. 205 00:12:28,625 --> 00:12:30,499 [woman 3] I think it is fair to say 206 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:33,749 that we have commodified the elderly in Australia. 207 00:12:33,750 --> 00:12:36,499 They're walking profit targets 208 00:12:36,500 --> 00:12:39,249 {\an8}when you've got big corporates 209 00:12:39,250 --> 00:12:41,457 {\an8}who are making a lot of money out of them. 210 00:12:41,458 --> 00:12:45,165 {\an8}The fact that they were able to, you know, release prospectuses 211 00:12:45,166 --> 00:12:48,582 {\an8}and say, "Hey, literally profit from the elderly," 212 00:12:48,583 --> 00:12:52,041 that was one of their sub headlines, like, it's crazy to me. 213 00:12:54,375 --> 00:12:56,457 John Howard had set the ball rolling 214 00:12:56,458 --> 00:13:00,500 on a system that was dramatically outsourced 215 00:13:00,625 --> 00:13:02,541 but that was suddenly running out of money. 216 00:13:02,666 --> 00:13:06,332 What he basically did was opened it up to the free market. 217 00:13:06,333 --> 00:13:10,624 They are sacrificing older people for the good of the economy. 218 00:13:10,625 --> 00:13:14,082 [melancholy music playing] 219 00:13:14,083 --> 00:13:17,874 [reporter] Many older Australians in residential aged care 220 00:13:17,875 --> 00:13:21,124 are still not getting the minutes of care per day 221 00:13:21,125 --> 00:13:22,540 that they should be. 222 00:13:22,541 --> 00:13:27,207 Advocates say the for-profit sector is most at fault 223 00:13:27,208 --> 00:13:28,915 and there needs to be better scrutiny 224 00:13:28,916 --> 00:13:31,832 on how government funds are being spent. 225 00:13:31,833 --> 00:13:36,540 [Margaret] I love the radio and I learn such a lot. 226 00:13:36,541 --> 00:13:42,291 There's very interesting talks by interesting people, in my opinion. 227 00:13:43,333 --> 00:13:46,457 Yes, we've got a good relationship, 228 00:13:46,458 --> 00:13:48,875 the radio and me. 229 00:14:00,458 --> 00:14:03,832 If I'm going to die, I'd like to die here, 230 00:14:03,833 --> 00:14:06,249 surrounded by my family. 231 00:14:06,250 --> 00:14:08,874 That's the most important thing. 232 00:14:08,875 --> 00:14:11,165 If I'm on my own somewhere, 233 00:14:11,166 --> 00:14:13,207 I'm going to be very frightened. 234 00:14:13,208 --> 00:14:14,750 I know I am. 235 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:21,207 It's quite a common feeling, I've discovered amongst aged people. 236 00:14:21,208 --> 00:14:26,415 We lose all our "doing stuff on our own" decisions. 237 00:14:26,416 --> 00:14:30,082 It will be a group decision that's made, 238 00:14:30,083 --> 00:14:32,916 not an independent decision. 239 00:14:34,208 --> 00:14:37,290 The fear of death and dying and the taboo around that 240 00:14:37,291 --> 00:14:40,415 {\an8}and the fear of losing agency and losing control, 241 00:14:40,416 --> 00:14:42,165 {\an8}they go very, very deep 242 00:14:42,166 --> 00:14:46,874 {\an8}and the reality is both of those things do relate to aged care. 243 00:14:46,875 --> 00:14:48,583 {\an8}There's no sort of shying away from that. 244 00:14:55,958 --> 00:14:59,374 [woman] There's no aged care services at Batchelor. 245 00:14:59,375 --> 00:15:01,291 It would be nice if there was. 246 00:15:01,833 --> 00:15:06,790 So the pressures on family members can be very overwhelming. 247 00:15:06,791 --> 00:15:12,625 {\an8}As a carer, going in to help my sister do her insulin, 248 00:15:13,375 --> 00:15:15,875 {\an8}it was very scary and daunting, 249 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:21,708 but she didn't want to go to an aged care facility. 250 00:15:22,666 --> 00:15:24,374 Having her daughter there 251 00:15:24,375 --> 00:15:27,374 and her grandkids coming and great-grandchildren 252 00:15:27,375 --> 00:15:30,540 and her siblings come and visit, and friends, 253 00:15:30,541 --> 00:15:32,624 at her home… 254 00:15:32,625 --> 00:15:35,208 she still felt like she was the queen 255 00:15:36,083 --> 00:15:40,374 in her own environment, and that was important to her. 256 00:15:40,375 --> 00:15:45,500 It just helped her stay alive for a bit longer. 257 00:15:46,875 --> 00:15:49,624 Of course, we all want to do our bit 258 00:15:49,625 --> 00:15:53,999 to be able to share in our responsibilities 259 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,082 and obligations to family members 260 00:15:56,083 --> 00:16:01,665 to make sure that they get as much support in their decision 261 00:16:01,666 --> 00:16:06,207 either to stay at home or to go into respite care. 262 00:16:06,208 --> 00:16:09,666 None of my family actually wanted respite care, 263 00:16:10,208 --> 00:16:12,499 'cause they thought they had enough family members 264 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:15,000 that could come and look after them anyway. 265 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:21,124 [woman] Do you mind if Jeremy puts a microphone on you? 266 00:16:21,125 --> 00:16:23,707 [Jeremy] So we're just gonna stick this on the inside. 267 00:16:23,708 --> 00:16:28,165 Just actually I think we'll go between the jumper and the thing. 268 00:16:28,166 --> 00:16:29,957 So I'll get… I'll feed this… 269 00:16:29,958 --> 00:16:34,124 Probably the easiest way is feeding it from upstairs to downstairs. 270 00:16:34,125 --> 00:16:36,165 Why are you… What are you… 271 00:16:36,166 --> 00:16:37,999 [woman] We're gonna put a microphone on you. 272 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,082 [man] We're doing a little bit of filming with Sue. 273 00:16:40,083 --> 00:16:41,665 - Yes, I know. - Oh, great. 274 00:16:41,666 --> 00:16:43,582 But why do you need to listen to me? 275 00:16:43,583 --> 00:16:45,415 [Jeremy] Because you'll be talking. 276 00:16:45,416 --> 00:16:47,582 [woman] Because we want to hear what you're gonna say 277 00:16:47,583 --> 00:16:50,790 'cause we're just gonna film you in the car with Mum… 278 00:16:50,791 --> 00:16:52,165 Oh, right. 279 00:16:52,166 --> 00:16:53,832 …going to the nursing home. 280 00:16:53,833 --> 00:16:55,124 Where? 281 00:16:55,125 --> 00:16:57,207 [Sue] We're going to visit that nursing home. 282 00:16:57,208 --> 00:17:00,124 That's what we're doing today. We're going to look at… 283 00:17:00,125 --> 00:17:02,374 We'll be gone for half an hour, coming back, that's it. 284 00:17:02,375 --> 00:17:04,332 So we just want to hear what you think 285 00:17:04,333 --> 00:17:06,749 of the nursing home, we're gonna look at today. 286 00:17:06,750 --> 00:17:08,541 You can just be honest, Mum. 287 00:17:11,250 --> 00:17:14,666 - Mm-hmm. - So I'm just gonna put this one down. 288 00:17:17,916 --> 00:17:19,916 [woman 2] Oh, good glasses, Granny! 289 00:17:20,583 --> 00:17:23,374 Oh, they look so cool, Granny! 290 00:17:23,375 --> 00:17:24,999 [Sue chuckles] 291 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,290 [woman speaks indistinctly] 292 00:17:26,291 --> 00:17:30,915 [Margaret] You've got to put some purple in it. Yes. 293 00:17:30,916 --> 00:17:34,207 [traffic rushes by] 294 00:17:34,208 --> 00:17:36,415 - [woman 2] Love you, Granny. - [Margaret] Love you too. 295 00:17:36,416 --> 00:17:37,541 [woman 2] See you soon. 296 00:17:38,708 --> 00:17:41,083 [gentle music playing] 297 00:18:00,541 --> 00:18:03,124 [Sue] So this place we're going to, 298 00:18:03,125 --> 00:18:05,540 my friend, Mum, I told you is there. 299 00:18:05,541 --> 00:18:06,707 [Margaret] Right. 300 00:18:06,708 --> 00:18:10,332 [Sue] Two of her children are doctors and they did their research 301 00:18:10,333 --> 00:18:12,915 and said this place is one of the better ones. 302 00:18:12,916 --> 00:18:13,875 All right. 303 00:18:26,916 --> 00:18:28,915 [Sarah Holland-Batt] Ageing is often something 304 00:18:28,916 --> 00:18:30,499 we think happens to other people. 305 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:32,540 It's not something that's ever gonna touch us. 306 00:18:32,541 --> 00:18:36,207 The same thing doubly so for aged care. 307 00:18:36,208 --> 00:18:38,540 "Aged care is something that other people go into. 308 00:18:38,541 --> 00:18:40,915 It's not a system that I'll ever need to go into." 309 00:18:40,916 --> 00:18:42,375 Most people think this way. 310 00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:48,249 [Sue] Well done. Okay, can you just stand here? 311 00:18:48,250 --> 00:18:49,915 I'll get your handbag and mine. 312 00:18:49,916 --> 00:18:52,000 [wind blusters] 313 00:18:58,375 --> 00:18:59,500 [car door shuts] 314 00:19:18,333 --> 00:19:22,874 [woman] Most people try and keep their older person at home, 315 00:19:22,875 --> 00:19:24,707 however, the burden of that, 316 00:19:24,708 --> 00:19:29,374 {\an8}the weight of that for a carer who's providing all the care 317 00:19:29,375 --> 00:19:31,333 {\an8}is often too great. 318 00:19:32,708 --> 00:19:36,457 The person who generally gives the care is a woman, 319 00:19:36,458 --> 00:19:39,791 either the spouse or the daughter. 320 00:19:42,458 --> 00:19:44,665 [Holland-Batt] The idea of sort of being 321 00:19:44,666 --> 00:19:48,999 in someone else's hands so completely, like you are in aged care, 322 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,332 it's very confronting to our sense of who we are as competent people, 323 00:19:54,333 --> 00:19:56,708 as people who are making choices in life. 324 00:20:02,625 --> 00:20:05,749 I'm an only child and my parents had me 325 00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:07,582 relatively late for the time. 326 00:20:07,583 --> 00:20:11,665 So Dad was 45 when I was born and Mum was 35. 327 00:20:11,666 --> 00:20:14,499 Dad was a mineral metallurgist by trade, 328 00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:16,665 but he had so many other interests and hobbies. 329 00:20:16,666 --> 00:20:18,332 So he loved classical music. 330 00:20:18,333 --> 00:20:20,999 He loved jazz. He played jazz piano. 331 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,624 He loved reading. 332 00:20:22,625 --> 00:20:26,415 He had a giant library that I was given free rein of, 333 00:20:26,416 --> 00:20:28,457 full of inappropriate books that, you know, 334 00:20:28,458 --> 00:20:31,374 probably should have been withheld from me at that age. 335 00:20:31,375 --> 00:20:33,583 He was a wonderful, wonderful dad. 336 00:20:35,958 --> 00:20:39,665 He was diagnosed with Parkinson's when I was 18. 337 00:20:39,666 --> 00:20:42,374 He had a relatively kind of slow decline 338 00:20:42,375 --> 00:20:45,582 and then it kind of caught up with him and, eventually, 339 00:20:45,583 --> 00:20:47,374 kind of with great reluctance, 340 00:20:47,375 --> 00:20:50,040 we had to move him into aged care. 341 00:20:50,041 --> 00:20:53,540 And at that moment, pretty much instantly 342 00:20:53,541 --> 00:20:56,332 Mum and I felt that we constantly were worried 343 00:20:56,333 --> 00:20:57,957 that things were being missed. 344 00:20:57,958 --> 00:20:59,790 He was having lots of falls 345 00:20:59,791 --> 00:21:02,249 because he wasn't medicated at the right time. 346 00:21:02,250 --> 00:21:05,415 And then we had a sort of really awful crisis 347 00:21:05,416 --> 00:21:07,124 where a whistleblower came to us 348 00:21:07,125 --> 00:21:11,624 and mentioned that a staffer had been deliberately kind of abusing Dad. 349 00:21:11,625 --> 00:21:13,915 I presumed it would be relatively easy, 350 00:21:13,916 --> 00:21:16,290 that I would make a complaint to the regulator, 351 00:21:16,291 --> 00:21:18,874 the regulator would investigate the complaint. 352 00:21:18,875 --> 00:21:22,165 And then when that didn't happen, then I went to the police. 353 00:21:22,166 --> 00:21:25,624 And eventually I realized that it wasn't just bad luck, 354 00:21:25,625 --> 00:21:27,249 that it was the system. 355 00:21:27,250 --> 00:21:28,957 And so then when the Royal Commission 356 00:21:28,958 --> 00:21:31,290 into Aged Care Quality and Safety was called, 357 00:21:31,291 --> 00:21:33,500 I made a submission to that. 358 00:21:36,666 --> 00:21:41,457 [reporter] The room belonged to an 85-year-old woman with dementia 359 00:21:41,458 --> 00:21:43,375 whose identity is protected. 360 00:21:44,541 --> 00:21:47,749 {\an8}Within hours of putting the camera in place, 361 00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:49,874 {\an8}this is what it captured. 362 00:21:49,875 --> 00:21:55,875 A warning. The footage is very confronting to watch and hear. 363 00:21:59,333 --> 00:22:04,125 [woman shrieks and yells] 364 00:22:07,833 --> 00:22:10,415 Terrible revelations of abuse 365 00:22:10,416 --> 00:22:12,999 against some of society's most vulnerable 366 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,165 {\an8}have prompted the Prime Minister to call a royal commission into aged care. 367 00:22:17,166 --> 00:22:19,707 {\an8}[Scott Morrison] I just could not get past 368 00:22:19,708 --> 00:22:23,290 {\an8}what was occurring in our residential aged care sector. 369 00:22:23,291 --> 00:22:25,082 {\an8}[Holland-Batt] I solemnly and sincerely… 370 00:22:25,083 --> 00:22:27,124 {\an8}- [clerk] Declare and affirm… - Declare and affirm… 371 00:22:27,125 --> 00:22:29,957 {\an8}- That the evidence I shall give… - That the evidence I shall give… 372 00:22:29,958 --> 00:22:33,290 {\an8}I was sort of nervous about my father's privacy. 373 00:22:33,291 --> 00:22:36,457 {\an8}I was nervous about my family's privacy. 374 00:22:36,458 --> 00:22:38,707 {\an8}And then I thought, "No, it's the right thing to do." 375 00:22:38,708 --> 00:22:42,165 {\an8}So in your statement, you detail that from about 2016, 376 00:22:42,166 --> 00:22:44,332 {\an8}you start noticing some issues. 377 00:22:44,333 --> 00:22:48,707 {\an8}It was when Mum and I would go and visit, we would often find Dad disheveled, 378 00:22:48,708 --> 00:22:50,415 {\an8}in unclean clothes… 379 00:22:50,416 --> 00:22:54,374 {\an8}[Holland-Batt] Aged care's an issue that's poorly understood by most people 380 00:22:54,375 --> 00:22:56,665 because they don't want to think about it, I understand. 381 00:22:56,666 --> 00:22:59,165 I'd never given it a moment's thought 382 00:22:59,166 --> 00:23:02,040 before we had to move Dad into care. 383 00:23:02,041 --> 00:23:06,832 {\an8}She'd verbally abused him and told him that she was "sick of his shit," 384 00:23:06,833 --> 00:23:11,249 {\an8}um, that she left his wheelchair away from the bed 385 00:23:11,250 --> 00:23:13,790 {\an8}so that he was left completely immobile, 386 00:23:13,791 --> 00:23:16,249 {\an8}and the whistleblower also mentioned to my mother 387 00:23:16,250 --> 00:23:20,540 {\an8}that the reason that she'd told us and not the facility 388 00:23:20,541 --> 00:23:23,957 {\an8}was that if she told the facility, it would get swept under the carpet 389 00:23:23,958 --> 00:23:25,665 {\an8}and absolutely nothing would be done. 390 00:23:25,666 --> 00:23:28,249 {\an8}[Margaret Thorpe] There was so much publicity 391 00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:32,958 {\an8}about abuse and lack of care in aged care. 392 00:23:33,416 --> 00:23:38,582 {\an8}I think that many, many family members 393 00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:44,915 would consider the care that their relative receives 394 00:23:44,916 --> 00:23:46,125 as being careless. 395 00:23:52,958 --> 00:23:57,999 [person calls out repeatedly] 396 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,957 What a tragedy that an old person at the end of their life 397 00:24:01,958 --> 00:24:04,624 is treated with such disrespect. 398 00:24:04,625 --> 00:24:08,082 So, you see, it's not just breaking down in the nursing homes. 399 00:24:08,083 --> 00:24:09,875 It's breaking down everywhere. 400 00:24:10,875 --> 00:24:12,666 It's our humanity. 401 00:24:16,916 --> 00:24:19,333 [girl] How did things get so bad? 402 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,208 Why was care forgotten and profits put before people? 403 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,375 Perhaps it had something to do with this guy. 404 00:24:29,166 --> 00:24:32,291 [tense Western music playing] 405 00:24:34,916 --> 00:24:37,999 Doug Moran was a man with a plan. 406 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,499 {\an8}I suppose it could be compared to a five-star hotel 407 00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:44,000 {\an8}for the residents that are going to come in here. 408 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,915 This is one of our private rooms, 409 00:24:47,916 --> 00:24:51,749 which has an ensuite bathroom attached to it. 410 00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:54,290 [reporter] It's being built by Doug Moran, 411 00:24:54,291 --> 00:24:57,957 the country's largest private nursing home operator. 412 00:24:57,958 --> 00:25:01,415 Moran lobbied to introduce the user-pays principle 413 00:25:01,416 --> 00:25:03,499 into nursing homes. 414 00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:06,999 I mean, there's almost no doubt that Doug Moran was heavily involved 415 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,915 in writing the 1997 changes with John Howard. 416 00:25:09,916 --> 00:25:15,332 And he rallied the rest of the for-profit groups around him. 417 00:25:15,333 --> 00:25:17,082 Someone who's got power and money 418 00:25:17,083 --> 00:25:19,375 and who believes they can actually dictate the outcome. 419 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,957 [reporter] The Federal Government introduced 420 00:25:21,958 --> 00:25:24,874 a user-pays system for nursing homes. 421 00:25:24,875 --> 00:25:28,790 Elderly people stood to pay up to a quarter of a million dollars 422 00:25:28,791 --> 00:25:30,832 as a bond for their accommodation. 423 00:25:30,833 --> 00:25:33,166 And the government has to accept their responsibility! 424 00:25:33,291 --> 00:25:35,958 [reporter] The government's under pressure to overturn its decision 425 00:25:36,083 --> 00:25:37,957 on nursing home entry fees and bonds. 426 00:25:37,958 --> 00:25:40,749 John Howard had said, "We'll give you accommodation bonds," 427 00:25:40,750 --> 00:25:45,083 and Moran was so disgusted he didn't get them, he quit the Liberal Party. 428 00:25:47,208 --> 00:25:49,707 There's got to be some good aged care providers out there. 429 00:25:49,708 --> 00:25:52,707 And there are, there are places that do it well, 430 00:25:52,708 --> 00:25:56,749 and isn't it a shame that they get a bad name 431 00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:59,082 based on the others. 432 00:25:59,083 --> 00:26:01,875 [exhales deeply] 433 00:26:11,541 --> 00:26:15,124 - [Margaret] She seemed very nice. - [Sue] Yeah, they all seemed nice. 434 00:26:15,125 --> 00:26:16,583 Yes, they do. 435 00:26:17,791 --> 00:26:21,624 No, I think that's definitely one of the top ones so far. 436 00:26:21,625 --> 00:26:23,041 Yes, I think… 437 00:26:27,166 --> 00:26:29,124 I'd have to talk to people now. 438 00:26:29,125 --> 00:26:32,499 I'm getting worried about finances. 439 00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:34,874 [Sue] Yeah, if you move into something like that, 440 00:26:34,875 --> 00:26:36,499 what do you do with your flat? 441 00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:38,666 [Margaret] Yes, I'd have to sell it. 442 00:26:40,375 --> 00:26:42,500 [sighs] 443 00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:45,624 [Sue] We'll go and see a financial adviser 444 00:26:45,625 --> 00:26:49,665 so you don't have to sell your flat in case you want to go home. 445 00:26:49,666 --> 00:26:51,665 [chuckles] 446 00:26:51,666 --> 00:26:54,665 I think if I make the effort to go somewhere, 447 00:26:54,666 --> 00:26:57,250 I'm not going to want to go back home… 448 00:26:58,541 --> 00:27:00,957 however nice that sounds. 449 00:27:00,958 --> 00:27:02,375 [Sue] Yeah. 450 00:27:04,250 --> 00:27:06,540 [Margaret exhales] 451 00:27:06,541 --> 00:27:11,040 Oh, dear, it's exhausting doing all these things. 452 00:27:11,041 --> 00:27:12,999 [Sue] Now we're done anyway. 453 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,875 - We've looked at five now. - Four. 454 00:27:18,041 --> 00:27:20,665 Four. I've read all about them. 455 00:27:20,666 --> 00:27:24,165 [Sue] All right, if you get to the point where you go, 456 00:27:24,166 --> 00:27:27,582 "I can't live alone, I can't do it, I'm too lonely, 457 00:27:27,583 --> 00:27:29,790 I don't like the weekends," 458 00:27:29,791 --> 00:27:31,583 - which is what… - I hate the weekends. 459 00:27:32,541 --> 00:27:34,374 [Sue] And why do you hate the weekends? 460 00:27:34,375 --> 00:27:38,875 Because everyone's out having fun, fun, fun 461 00:27:39,625 --> 00:27:41,000 and I'm not. 462 00:27:49,625 --> 00:27:52,166 Oh, pardon me. 463 00:27:53,208 --> 00:27:54,750 Oh! 464 00:28:04,083 --> 00:28:05,916 {\an8}[camera shutters click] 465 00:28:10,333 --> 00:28:12,749 {\an8}I'm here today with Minister Butler 466 00:28:12,750 --> 00:28:14,708 {\an8}to announce the Government's new policy 467 00:28:14,833 --> 00:28:16,707 {\an8}on the future of aged care. 468 00:28:16,708 --> 00:28:18,790 {\an8}[Saltarelli] When Labor were last in government, 469 00:28:18,791 --> 00:28:21,332 they picked up the baton from where Howard started. 470 00:28:21,333 --> 00:28:25,665 They introduced the so-called "Living Longer, Living Better" reforms. 471 00:28:25,666 --> 00:28:27,457 I'm sure that was more for industry, 472 00:28:27,458 --> 00:28:29,957 not for the actual recipients of care. 473 00:28:29,958 --> 00:28:33,083 And that really just put everything on steroids. 474 00:28:33,583 --> 00:28:36,332 {\an8}Today, we announce the most sweeping reforms 475 00:28:36,333 --> 00:28:39,249 {\an8}to our aged care system in almost 30 years. 476 00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:40,874 In designing these reforms, 477 00:28:40,875 --> 00:28:43,082 we've listened to stakeholders in the sector 478 00:28:43,083 --> 00:28:44,915 who have worked with us very closely. 479 00:28:44,916 --> 00:28:47,999 Aged care in Australia is industry-driven 480 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,415 and it's a partnership between government and industry. 481 00:28:51,416 --> 00:28:53,332 Industry… Industry… Industry… 482 00:28:53,333 --> 00:28:56,165 The community have been largely disenfranchised. 483 00:28:56,166 --> 00:28:58,290 Yeah, they've been shut out of the system. 484 00:28:58,291 --> 00:29:00,165 We will also finally introduce 485 00:29:00,166 --> 00:29:03,540 a single system of accommodation charging, 486 00:29:03,541 --> 00:29:06,540 reflecting the principle of ageing in place, which… 487 00:29:06,541 --> 00:29:09,124 [girl] So with the help of a Labor government, 488 00:29:09,125 --> 00:29:12,040 the industry finally had their bonds. 489 00:29:12,041 --> 00:29:14,082 John Howard was spooked by the reaction 490 00:29:14,083 --> 00:29:16,124 to wanting to introduce accommodation bonds. 491 00:29:16,125 --> 00:29:20,040 And so Mark Butler, whether he wants the crown or not, 492 00:29:20,041 --> 00:29:23,165 is the guy that finished Howard's reforms. 493 00:29:23,166 --> 00:29:26,291 [plays moving tune] 494 00:29:46,708 --> 00:29:48,000 [ends song] 495 00:29:48,416 --> 00:29:52,040 I'm Olivia Dorothy Cornwell 496 00:29:52,041 --> 00:29:55,583 and I'm 94 years of age. 497 00:29:56,458 --> 00:29:57,874 She's a miracle. 498 00:29:57,875 --> 00:30:00,375 [both laugh] 499 00:30:01,375 --> 00:30:04,458 [plays heartwarming tune] 500 00:30:07,625 --> 00:30:10,166 This is my daughter Jane 501 00:30:10,583 --> 00:30:14,790 and she's a journalist and she lives in London. 502 00:30:14,791 --> 00:30:18,499 She and I are in contact in some way or other 503 00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:20,625 pretty much every day. 504 00:30:23,291 --> 00:30:25,499 My knees are a bit sore. 505 00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:27,582 When I was a preschool teacher, 506 00:30:27,583 --> 00:30:31,124 I used to put out planks for the kids to jump 507 00:30:31,125 --> 00:30:32,957 and I'd have a plank under each arm. 508 00:30:32,958 --> 00:30:35,165 I'm sure that's responsible. 509 00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:36,833 - [bird chirps] - Oh, look at the parrot. 510 00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:42,583 I'm a Mallee girl. 511 00:30:43,625 --> 00:30:48,832 I was born in Birchip in the north-west of Victoria. 512 00:30:48,833 --> 00:30:52,000 I was trained to be a preschool teacher 513 00:30:53,125 --> 00:30:55,958 and then I went overseas. 514 00:30:57,208 --> 00:31:01,374 I went to the Buckingham Palace Garden Party 515 00:31:01,375 --> 00:31:03,790 and the Queen was cross with me 516 00:31:03,791 --> 00:31:07,500 because I didn't curtsy like everybody else was doing. 517 00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:10,790 One minute, we were all standing up, 518 00:31:10,791 --> 00:31:12,957 the Queen appeared, I looked around 519 00:31:12,958 --> 00:31:16,707 and everybody was down there and I hadn't… 520 00:31:16,708 --> 00:31:19,875 And she really did give me an unpleasant look. 521 00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:25,665 I came back from England and I did some more preschool teaching, 522 00:31:25,666 --> 00:31:28,915 but then I decided I'd like to be an air hostess, 523 00:31:28,916 --> 00:31:30,666 as we were called in those days. 524 00:31:31,208 --> 00:31:36,582 Then I met my husband Alan. 525 00:31:36,583 --> 00:31:38,832 We eventually married. 526 00:31:38,833 --> 00:31:42,665 And then our beautiful daughter Jane was born 527 00:31:42,666 --> 00:31:48,249 and Alicia was the next one, and Chris was the next one. 528 00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:51,000 [film reel whirring] 529 00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:54,999 My husband liked outdoor sport 530 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,790 and he was very fair-skinned 531 00:31:56,791 --> 00:32:01,750 and he got a melanoma and he died when he was 73. 532 00:32:03,250 --> 00:32:06,374 I suddenly lost interest in everything. 533 00:32:06,375 --> 00:32:08,165 I didn't want to do anything. 534 00:32:08,166 --> 00:32:11,874 I got a couple of rather unpleasant illnesses 535 00:32:11,875 --> 00:32:15,040 followed by depression 536 00:32:15,041 --> 00:32:17,832 and my doctor suggested I spend 537 00:32:17,833 --> 00:32:22,207 a few… a couple of weeks in respite care 538 00:32:22,208 --> 00:32:25,207 and the place I went to was wonderful. 539 00:32:25,208 --> 00:32:28,207 I always associated old people's homes 540 00:32:28,208 --> 00:32:33,582 with dear old ladies and bingo, you know, so… 541 00:32:33,583 --> 00:32:36,749 But I went there for a couple of weeks, 542 00:32:36,750 --> 00:32:39,082 and it was amazing. 543 00:32:39,083 --> 00:32:41,415 But after two weeks, 544 00:32:41,416 --> 00:32:43,332 I felt like I was living in a bubble. 545 00:32:43,333 --> 00:32:45,874 I thought, "Now, I'm still mobile. 546 00:32:45,875 --> 00:32:49,207 "I don't really want to spend any more time here." 547 00:32:49,208 --> 00:32:52,582 'Cause you went into respite with a view to long-term staying. 548 00:32:52,583 --> 00:32:54,707 So we got you a room with a courtyard, 549 00:32:54,708 --> 00:32:56,457 I'm back here because I thought 550 00:32:56,458 --> 00:32:59,624 I was going to have to sell the house to pay for… 551 00:32:59,625 --> 00:33:02,415 Well, I had no intention of staying there. 552 00:33:02,416 --> 00:33:05,583 [gentle musing music playing] 553 00:33:12,166 --> 00:33:15,957 [Olivia] I just love living at home. It's just great. 554 00:33:15,958 --> 00:33:18,415 I love my garden, I like playing the piano 555 00:33:18,416 --> 00:33:20,624 and I'm very keen on jigsaws. 556 00:33:20,625 --> 00:33:23,540 I'd like to spend a lot more time doing jigsaws. 557 00:33:23,541 --> 00:33:26,124 Oh, and I like to attract the birds 558 00:33:26,125 --> 00:33:30,375 even though the cockatoos come and take all the seed. 559 00:33:32,416 --> 00:33:35,500 I love to be independent and do my own thing. 560 00:33:36,833 --> 00:33:39,665 [Jane] The more research I started doing about aged care, 561 00:33:39,666 --> 00:33:42,249 it became obvious that there was a way 562 00:33:42,250 --> 00:33:44,957 that you could get help living in your home. 563 00:33:44,958 --> 00:33:47,374 And what I was told was that 564 00:33:47,375 --> 00:33:50,500 to be able to stay in your home was the goal of the government. 565 00:33:50,625 --> 00:33:52,915 You know, they have a vested interest 566 00:33:52,916 --> 00:33:55,749 in keeping, you know, people at home. 567 00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:58,750 They have to come out and inspect and I remember saying to you, 568 00:33:58,875 --> 00:34:01,124 "Please act as doddery as you can." 569 00:34:01,125 --> 00:34:02,750 [laughs] 570 00:34:04,958 --> 00:34:06,749 [woman] Most people that you speak to 571 00:34:06,750 --> 00:34:09,749 say that they want to grow old in their own home. 572 00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:12,332 So it's all very well and good for an older person 573 00:34:12,333 --> 00:34:15,915 to have their home modified and cleaned 574 00:34:15,916 --> 00:34:17,790 {\an8}and to get their nursing care 575 00:34:17,791 --> 00:34:20,957 {\an8}and their medication management in their home… 576 00:34:20,958 --> 00:34:22,915 {\an8}but if they walk down the street 577 00:34:22,916 --> 00:34:26,790 and nobody knows their name or cares to say hi to them 578 00:34:26,791 --> 00:34:29,082 or, you know, would even notice 579 00:34:29,083 --> 00:34:32,541 if they didn't step outside their door for a couple of days… 580 00:34:34,666 --> 00:34:37,207 [Holland-Batt] There have been some really harrowing stories 581 00:34:37,208 --> 00:34:38,624 coming out of home care 582 00:34:38,625 --> 00:34:40,874 just as there have out of residential care. 583 00:34:40,875 --> 00:34:43,874 The problems in home care are lesser known 584 00:34:43,875 --> 00:34:45,624 because they're not monitored. 585 00:34:45,625 --> 00:34:48,457 There's a huge degree of vulnerability in home care, 586 00:34:48,458 --> 00:34:50,374 so I don't think we want to romanticize it 587 00:34:50,375 --> 00:34:54,000 and say everything's great so long as you can stay at home. 588 00:34:54,791 --> 00:34:56,833 [phone rings] 589 00:35:00,375 --> 00:35:02,666 [phone continues ringing] 590 00:35:15,208 --> 00:35:17,166 [phone line ringing] 591 00:35:18,375 --> 00:35:19,832 [Margaret] Hello. 592 00:35:19,833 --> 00:35:22,124 - Hi, Mum. It's me. - Yeah. 593 00:35:22,125 --> 00:35:24,291 I'll be there in about 20 minutes. 594 00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:26,874 20 minutes. 595 00:35:26,875 --> 00:35:30,832 And is Lola going to do that bit of shopping for me? 596 00:35:30,833 --> 00:35:33,332 Yes, she's definitely gonna do that. 597 00:35:33,333 --> 00:35:35,249 And where are we going to go? 598 00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:38,790 [Sue] Given what happened, we're gonna go and look 599 00:35:38,791 --> 00:35:41,666 at a couple more aged care places. 600 00:35:42,708 --> 00:35:44,624 Oh, okay. 601 00:35:44,625 --> 00:35:47,625 We'll sort it out when you get here. 602 00:35:48,666 --> 00:35:51,957 [Sue] You just drive past this one 603 00:35:51,958 --> 00:35:53,832 because it's Glen Huntly Road. 604 00:35:53,833 --> 00:35:56,124 Right, is that the one we went to? 605 00:35:56,125 --> 00:35:58,124 No, no. 606 00:35:58,125 --> 00:36:01,582 And then there's another one, this one. 607 00:36:01,583 --> 00:36:03,832 So we'll just have a look out the car window 608 00:36:03,833 --> 00:36:06,665 and you think about, you know, what you think. 609 00:36:06,666 --> 00:36:08,207 [Margaret] Mm-hmm. 610 00:36:08,208 --> 00:36:10,040 [Sue] Can you put them in your bag? 611 00:36:10,041 --> 00:36:11,875 - [Margaret] Oh, okay. - Hang on. 612 00:36:14,250 --> 00:36:15,541 Here. 613 00:36:17,541 --> 00:36:19,832 We're actually out the back, Mum. 614 00:36:19,833 --> 00:36:21,582 [Margaret] Right. 615 00:36:21,583 --> 00:36:23,915 [Sue] Just… I'm gonna shut your front door. 616 00:36:23,916 --> 00:36:25,790 [Margaret speaks indistinctly] 617 00:36:25,791 --> 00:36:27,749 [Sue] Yeah, they're coming and they'll lock it. 618 00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:29,707 [gate shuts] 619 00:36:29,708 --> 00:36:32,000 [keys jangle] 620 00:36:36,833 --> 00:36:39,625 [Sue] Big step. Watch your head. 621 00:36:41,458 --> 00:36:43,832 Okay, I'm gonna just change those hearing aids. 622 00:36:43,833 --> 00:36:45,582 You've got them in the wrong ears. 623 00:36:45,583 --> 00:36:48,749 - Oh! - Anyway, that's the right way. 624 00:36:48,750 --> 00:36:52,041 [soft music playing] 625 00:36:58,291 --> 00:37:00,415 [Margaret] Where are we going now? 626 00:37:00,416 --> 00:37:02,832 [Sue] We're gonna go and show you 627 00:37:02,833 --> 00:37:06,332 - the two aged care places up here. - Oh, that's right. Yes. 628 00:37:06,333 --> 00:37:08,249 You can see just from the outside. 629 00:37:08,250 --> 00:37:10,207 - Yes. - So they're… 630 00:37:10,208 --> 00:37:12,415 Because what was your criteria? 631 00:37:12,416 --> 00:37:14,957 You said you wanted them around this area. 632 00:37:14,958 --> 00:37:16,583 Yes. 633 00:37:17,875 --> 00:37:21,124 - Anything else that you… - No, no. 634 00:37:21,125 --> 00:37:23,707 I'd just like to be left alone. 635 00:37:23,708 --> 00:37:25,749 [Sue chuckles] 636 00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:28,874 - In the place or now? - In the place. 637 00:37:28,875 --> 00:37:30,999 What, you don't want people coming into your room? 638 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,875 No, I don't want thousands of people coming in and out. 639 00:37:37,791 --> 00:37:41,207 The Aged Care Act was supposed to help old people, 640 00:37:41,208 --> 00:37:44,165 but were these changes really about helping Grandma 641 00:37:44,166 --> 00:37:46,833 or just making private companies more money? 642 00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:52,457 They were coming for the money, no doubt about it. 643 00:37:52,458 --> 00:37:55,707 If you look at the aged care providers 644 00:37:55,708 --> 00:37:58,582 and the owners and the CEOs, 645 00:37:58,583 --> 00:38:01,707 some of them are on the BRW rich list. 646 00:38:01,708 --> 00:38:04,749 They live in mansions, they drive luxury cars, 647 00:38:04,750 --> 00:38:07,749 yet they're constantly crying poor. 648 00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:09,790 [glasses clink] 649 00:38:09,791 --> 00:38:13,457 [girl] The industry was sought as independent experts 650 00:38:13,458 --> 00:38:17,040 to the newly created Aged Care Financing Authority, 651 00:38:17,041 --> 00:38:19,874 such as the CEO of Bupa. 652 00:38:19,875 --> 00:38:21,665 You know, Bupa is the biggest 653 00:38:21,666 --> 00:38:24,207 private aged care provider in the country. 654 00:38:24,208 --> 00:38:26,207 They had a shocking track record. 655 00:38:26,208 --> 00:38:30,540 That's a provider that time and again has failed care standards. 656 00:38:30,541 --> 00:38:32,249 There were so many of its homes 657 00:38:32,250 --> 00:38:36,332 that had failed with the regulator, but they were still operating. 658 00:38:36,333 --> 00:38:37,957 [girl] By 2019, 659 00:38:37,958 --> 00:38:41,374 over half of Bupa's 72 nursing homes 660 00:38:41,375 --> 00:38:45,124 were failing to meet all the health and safety standards. 661 00:38:45,125 --> 00:38:48,790 When you look at the failures over the last 20 years in aged care, 662 00:38:48,791 --> 00:38:52,082 it really is a story of provider influence. 663 00:38:52,083 --> 00:38:54,791 First and foremost, that is the issue. 664 00:38:57,625 --> 00:39:00,207 There is no doubt that the regulator 665 00:39:00,208 --> 00:39:03,040 is absolutely captured by industry. 666 00:39:03,041 --> 00:39:04,415 The regulator says, 667 00:39:04,416 --> 00:39:06,665 "Can you not do that? You're embarrassing us. 668 00:39:06,666 --> 00:39:09,540 But, you know, we'll let you get away with it 669 00:39:09,541 --> 00:39:12,999 if you, you know, tick some boxes on a piece of paper 670 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,332 and say that you will never be like that again." 671 00:39:15,333 --> 00:39:16,832 The fox is guarding the hen house. 672 00:39:16,833 --> 00:39:20,290 There does seem to be something of a revolving door, if you like, 673 00:39:20,291 --> 00:39:23,915 between industry and government positions. 674 00:39:23,916 --> 00:39:26,540 It's the same list of names that have been moving 675 00:39:26,541 --> 00:39:30,791 from government to regulation to industry and back again for 20 years. 676 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:36,207 [automated voice on phone] For myGov enquiries, press 1. 677 00:39:36,208 --> 00:39:39,999 For assistance with a myGov linking code, press 2. 678 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,374 For Centrelink online enquiries, press 3. 679 00:39:43,375 --> 00:39:46,749 For Medicare online enquiries, press 4. 680 00:39:46,750 --> 00:39:51,124 For Australian Taxation Office online enquiries, press 5. 681 00:39:51,125 --> 00:39:54,082 If you're an ATO customer service representative, 682 00:39:54,083 --> 00:39:55,624 press 6. 683 00:39:55,625 --> 00:39:58,290 To hear these options again, please press 9. 684 00:39:58,291 --> 00:40:00,624 [quirky music playing] 685 00:40:00,625 --> 00:40:03,750 [phone message continues indistinctly] 686 00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:13,957 For assistance linking your ATO to your myGov account, 687 00:40:13,958 --> 00:40:15,499 press 3. 688 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:17,999 For assistance with linking other government services 689 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,665 to your myGov account, press 4. 690 00:40:20,666 --> 00:40:24,083 You may need to contact the member services directly. 691 00:40:26,541 --> 00:40:28,208 - [door shuts] - [quirky music ends] 692 00:40:37,375 --> 00:40:40,874 [Margaret] I might have to go into that place a bit sooner. 693 00:40:40,875 --> 00:40:44,207 - [Sue] What place? - The nursing home. 694 00:40:44,208 --> 00:40:46,374 [Sue] Do you want to go into a nursing home? 695 00:40:46,375 --> 00:40:48,290 - No. - [Sue] Why? 696 00:40:48,291 --> 00:40:50,875 Not at this moment in time, 697 00:40:51,666 --> 00:40:57,790 because I've got enough faculties still going. 698 00:40:57,791 --> 00:41:01,915 There are a few that are going down the tubes, but… 699 00:41:01,916 --> 00:41:03,958 [chuckles] 700 00:41:05,458 --> 00:41:07,582 That's the trouble with old age. 701 00:41:07,583 --> 00:41:11,332 It's… a lot of it is very frightening. 702 00:41:11,333 --> 00:41:14,457 You find you can't do heaps of stuff. 703 00:41:14,458 --> 00:41:16,582 - [Sue] Mmm. - Um… 704 00:41:16,583 --> 00:41:22,749 For instance, I used to think cooking was quite an honorable job. 705 00:41:22,750 --> 00:41:25,874 [chuckles] I can't be bothered with it now. 706 00:41:25,875 --> 00:41:29,374 - I'd rather starve to death. - [Sue laughs] 707 00:41:29,375 --> 00:41:31,082 - I would! - [Sue] That's not good. 708 00:41:31,083 --> 00:41:33,874 What about, you know, you used to catch the bus 709 00:41:33,875 --> 00:41:38,957 to go and see movies, book clubs, walking group. 710 00:41:38,958 --> 00:41:40,582 You had so many things… 711 00:41:40,583 --> 00:41:43,165 Yes, I did and I loved them all, 712 00:41:43,166 --> 00:41:46,125 but it wasn't right anymore. 713 00:41:47,125 --> 00:41:48,915 [Sue] Yeah, now you don't… 714 00:41:48,916 --> 00:41:52,999 Now I go out to the doctor. [chuckles] 715 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,040 About the only one I see! [laughs] 716 00:41:57,041 --> 00:42:00,999 The long-awaited final report from the Aged Care Royal Commission 717 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,165 has delivered a damning assessment of the system 718 00:42:04,166 --> 00:42:06,875 which is supposed to protect the country's most vulnerable. 719 00:42:08,666 --> 00:42:11,332 [Anne Connolly] I was waiting for the report 720 00:42:11,333 --> 00:42:12,957 from the Royal Commission to come down. 721 00:42:12,958 --> 00:42:15,207 I mean, it was our Four Corners, 722 00:42:15,208 --> 00:42:18,082 our two-part Who Cares? stories 723 00:42:18,083 --> 00:42:20,082 that actually prompted the Royal Commission. 724 00:42:20,083 --> 00:42:23,957 {\an8}Scott Morrison got in the day before the first one went to air, 725 00:42:23,958 --> 00:42:25,791 {\an8}so he got ahead of it. 726 00:42:26,250 --> 00:42:27,749 This is the first of many volumes… 727 00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:31,165 Morrison got out there and brandished a copy of the report, 728 00:42:31,166 --> 00:42:32,665 you know, saying effectively, 729 00:42:32,666 --> 00:42:34,624 "Now we've done something about aged care," 730 00:42:34,625 --> 00:42:36,665 where the journalists had only been given 731 00:42:36,666 --> 00:42:39,832 access to the report 20 minutes beforehand 732 00:42:39,833 --> 00:42:42,165 and then he never did a press conference again. 733 00:42:42,166 --> 00:42:45,207 [Connolly] You tabled the report while we were here. 734 00:42:45,208 --> 00:42:46,457 How can we ask questions… 735 00:42:46,458 --> 00:42:48,624 [Connolly] He didn't like being questioned. 736 00:42:48,625 --> 00:42:50,207 He thought he would get a free run. 737 00:42:50,208 --> 00:42:52,540 The Department of Health and the regulator 738 00:42:52,541 --> 00:42:54,332 put a submission into the Royal Commission… 739 00:42:54,333 --> 00:42:56,457 I'm the Prime Minister. This is my minister. 740 00:42:56,458 --> 00:42:58,540 Our cabinet will decide 741 00:42:58,541 --> 00:43:00,832 our response to this Royal Commission, okay? 742 00:43:00,833 --> 00:43:02,707 - So is this… - So we've released it. 743 00:43:02,708 --> 00:43:04,666 I think I've answered your question. Thank you. 744 00:43:06,125 --> 00:43:12,040 I think it says a lot about how we regard older people. 745 00:43:12,041 --> 00:43:15,290 We do regard them as disposable 746 00:43:15,291 --> 00:43:17,457 after a certain period of time. 747 00:43:17,458 --> 00:43:20,332 They're insignificant. They're not important in our lives. 748 00:43:20,333 --> 00:43:22,457 [man] Thank you. 749 00:43:22,458 --> 00:43:24,874 [Holland-Batt] I don't think any of the politicians 750 00:43:24,875 --> 00:43:27,457 are thinking, "Oh, this is a system I'd like to go into." 751 00:43:27,458 --> 00:43:30,999 They're not thinking, "Great! We've solved it. I'm gonna be right when I'm old." 752 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,999 They're thinking, "Thank God that I earn so much 753 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,290 "that I'm not gonna have to be touched by this system." 754 00:43:35,291 --> 00:43:37,082 You know, that's… that's the reality. 755 00:43:37,083 --> 00:43:39,999 And, you know, what we should be doing 756 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,707 is stepping back from all of this and saying, 757 00:43:43,708 --> 00:43:46,290 "What do we all actually want when we get old?" 758 00:43:46,291 --> 00:43:49,458 [pensive music playing] 759 00:43:55,125 --> 00:43:56,832 [woman] The majority of the people 760 00:43:56,833 --> 00:43:59,124 have worked their entire life and have been paying tax 761 00:43:59,125 --> 00:44:01,874 and have been contributing to the community 762 00:44:01,875 --> 00:44:03,499 and when they're older, 763 00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:06,957 I think everyone deserves to have a good life 764 00:44:06,958 --> 00:44:09,999 and to have a secure home, a safe home, 765 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,707 and I hope that I can contribute 766 00:44:12,708 --> 00:44:16,916 to someone's wellbeing to stay at home safely. 767 00:44:18,458 --> 00:44:22,707 {\an8}I am a care finder with Housing for the Aged Action Group 768 00:44:22,708 --> 00:44:29,457 {\an8}and the role is to help older people over 65 and plus 769 00:44:29,458 --> 00:44:32,166 navigating through the aged care system. 770 00:44:32,708 --> 00:44:34,332 I'm loving it. 771 00:44:34,333 --> 00:44:36,666 Like, that's really a calling. 772 00:44:39,333 --> 00:44:43,540 I have been in the social work field for about 20 years 773 00:44:43,541 --> 00:44:46,332 so I have been seeing, like, a lot of changes. 774 00:44:46,333 --> 00:44:48,082 Since it has been privatized, 775 00:44:48,083 --> 00:44:53,250 I don't think the clients are getting the help that they need. 776 00:44:56,458 --> 00:45:00,207 If you are living by yourself and don't have, like, a partner, 777 00:45:00,208 --> 00:45:03,665 and you are still fit in your mind, 778 00:45:03,666 --> 00:45:06,624 I still believe the best option for you 779 00:45:06,625 --> 00:45:09,290 would be staying at home and being independent 780 00:45:09,291 --> 00:45:12,165 and have some support in your home 781 00:45:12,166 --> 00:45:14,457 like cleaning, shopping 782 00:45:14,458 --> 00:45:18,499 or someone to take you to your medical appointments. 783 00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:21,625 [gentle music playing] 784 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,750 [teacup rattles] 785 00:45:33,625 --> 00:45:36,833 [Beverly] My husband's name was Lewis. 786 00:45:38,875 --> 00:45:42,707 I'd been with him for 27 years, yes, 787 00:45:42,708 --> 00:45:46,500 and, um, I miss him every day. 788 00:45:49,583 --> 00:45:54,540 When my husband died, I didn't know what I was up against. 789 00:45:54,541 --> 00:46:01,290 I realized that rent was getting way out of my league. 790 00:46:01,291 --> 00:46:03,291 When I'd get my pension, 791 00:46:04,166 --> 00:46:06,040 I paid my rent, 792 00:46:06,041 --> 00:46:10,500 I had a provision for my utilities, 793 00:46:11,250 --> 00:46:14,499 I could see things diminishing. 794 00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:17,624 [phone line rings] 795 00:46:17,625 --> 00:46:20,874 - [Beverly] Hello, Hanh. - Hi, Bev. It's Hanh speaking. 796 00:46:20,875 --> 00:46:23,415 - How are you going? - I'm good. 797 00:46:23,416 --> 00:46:26,582 We are now on our way to see you. 798 00:46:26,583 --> 00:46:27,875 Bye. 799 00:46:29,333 --> 00:46:31,457 [computerized voice] Continue on State Route 22 800 00:46:31,458 --> 00:46:33,291 for seven kilometers. 801 00:46:34,166 --> 00:46:36,999 [Beverly] I was frightened of what the future held. 802 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:42,415 I knew that it would reach a stage where I would be homeless. 803 00:46:42,416 --> 00:46:44,541 So I rang My Aged Care 804 00:46:45,125 --> 00:46:48,540 and along the way, I mentioned 805 00:46:48,541 --> 00:46:55,040 that I would like independent living if it could be arranged. 806 00:46:55,041 --> 00:46:57,040 And the next thing I knew, 807 00:46:57,041 --> 00:47:01,915 this little lass Hanh came to my front door. 808 00:47:01,916 --> 00:47:05,874 She put forward plans and we came out here 809 00:47:05,875 --> 00:47:09,583 and I loved the place straightaway, 810 00:47:10,375 --> 00:47:13,500 and, um, here I am. 811 00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:21,249 Once you get the services, you can stay at home. 812 00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:23,082 A nursing home means death. 813 00:47:23,083 --> 00:47:26,165 {\an8}I would say, "You no…" 814 00:47:26,166 --> 00:47:28,124 {\an8}I'll say it in Italian. 815 00:47:28,125 --> 00:47:30,165 {\an8}[speaking Italian] 816 00:47:30,166 --> 00:47:33,040 {\an8}"You're not going to put me there, are you?" 817 00:47:33,041 --> 00:47:36,124 [plane engines drone] 818 00:47:36,125 --> 00:47:39,250 [people chattering] 819 00:47:47,916 --> 00:47:50,749 [Luciana] We came to Australia in 1960. 820 00:47:50,750 --> 00:47:54,290 Dad was here, was injured at work, 821 00:47:54,291 --> 00:47:57,957 couldn't come back to Italy, so we joined him here. 822 00:47:57,958 --> 00:48:00,083 And I was… Loved it. 823 00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:04,249 I was 14 and a half. 824 00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:08,415 I went to work in a factory and said I was 16 825 00:48:08,416 --> 00:48:11,290 and I worked in a factory for four years 826 00:48:11,291 --> 00:48:13,499 and it was dreadful. 827 00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:17,332 The idea was that I could go and study, 828 00:48:17,333 --> 00:48:19,165 but then I met Mario. 829 00:48:19,166 --> 00:48:22,249 I met Mario when I was 17. 830 00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:24,999 We went to the Boathouse 831 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,957 and we had a really nice ride on the river. 832 00:48:28,958 --> 00:48:30,832 He said, "Well, I'm old enough. 833 00:48:30,833 --> 00:48:33,957 We need to get married. I want to start a family." 834 00:48:33,958 --> 00:48:35,707 I said, "Okay." 835 00:48:35,708 --> 00:48:39,375 And Mum said, "No, too young." 836 00:48:40,208 --> 00:48:44,165 I said, "Well, I feel good," and so we married. 837 00:48:44,166 --> 00:48:47,750 [traditional Italian folk music playing] 838 00:49:01,375 --> 00:49:04,875 Mum asked, "Where you gonna live?" 839 00:49:05,875 --> 00:49:08,957 And Mario said, "But I do have a house," 840 00:49:08,958 --> 00:49:11,916 and he brought me to this house. 841 00:49:12,666 --> 00:49:16,249 I said, "Fancy that! I feel really good in it." 842 00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:17,874 And that was it. 843 00:49:17,875 --> 00:49:21,999 And we have been here ever since, 59 years. 844 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,291 [chatters indistinctly] 845 00:49:28,416 --> 00:49:30,332 I always wanted to study, 846 00:49:30,333 --> 00:49:34,332 but Mario said, "But I think I'm old enough 847 00:49:34,333 --> 00:49:36,082 to start a family," 848 00:49:36,083 --> 00:49:38,208 but I was only 19. 849 00:49:39,541 --> 00:49:40,999 Oh, he won. 850 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,291 [quirky music playing] 851 00:49:52,291 --> 00:49:58,124 All right, here we go. Afternoon tea. 852 00:49:58,125 --> 00:50:02,957 And then I wanted very much to start working 853 00:50:02,958 --> 00:50:07,790 and I qualified a social diploma in community development. 854 00:50:07,791 --> 00:50:10,583 I worked at a community health center. 855 00:50:11,041 --> 00:50:14,249 At the time, I was studying, working, family 856 00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:17,958 and looking after Mum and Dad as well. 857 00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:21,207 Let's see, Theresa. 858 00:50:21,208 --> 00:50:24,749 Oh, we still have to wait. 859 00:50:24,750 --> 00:50:27,500 Lovely. [chuckles] 860 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,458 [Luciana] Afternoon tea. 861 00:50:32,125 --> 00:50:38,165 My father passed away July 2002. 862 00:50:38,166 --> 00:50:40,624 - [Theresa] Do you want some? - [Luciana] Yeah. 863 00:50:40,625 --> 00:50:43,000 Then Mum was alone for five years 864 00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:47,416 and then she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. 865 00:50:48,750 --> 00:50:51,957 There was not even a thought 866 00:50:51,958 --> 00:50:55,875 of Mum going into a nursing home. 867 00:50:56,250 --> 00:51:01,957 The idea of a nursing home was waiting for death. 868 00:51:01,958 --> 00:51:06,166 I've never known Mum to be selfish 869 00:51:07,208 --> 00:51:10,250 until the last two months. 870 00:51:11,083 --> 00:51:12,541 She said… 871 00:51:13,583 --> 00:51:16,415 "If I had my mother here, 872 00:51:16,416 --> 00:51:19,041 I would spend all my time with her." 873 00:51:19,875 --> 00:51:23,040 And I said, "Mum, I'm 60. 874 00:51:23,041 --> 00:51:24,874 Who would employ me?" 875 00:51:24,875 --> 00:51:28,166 I find my job terribly rewarding. 876 00:51:28,750 --> 00:51:30,749 You depend on your children, 877 00:51:30,750 --> 00:51:33,040 but children do have their own family. 878 00:51:33,041 --> 00:51:34,665 They have their own problems. 879 00:51:34,666 --> 00:51:37,666 They've got their own issues, their own work issues as well. 880 00:51:44,458 --> 00:51:46,499 [Jane] Often I am on a deadline 881 00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:51,624 or I will be travelling somewhere and I just feel like at any moment, 882 00:51:51,625 --> 00:51:54,415 I have to go back to Australia and sort Mum out. 883 00:51:54,416 --> 00:51:58,249 If you want to put your parent into an aged care facility 884 00:51:58,250 --> 00:52:00,249 and you live overseas, 885 00:52:00,250 --> 00:52:03,999 {\an8}to navigate the myGov or the Aged Care website 886 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,665 {\an8}is really, really hard. 887 00:52:05,666 --> 00:52:08,250 {\an8}To get on the phone to anyone is really, really hard. 888 00:52:10,333 --> 00:52:12,707 I found that when I was even getting her 889 00:52:12,708 --> 00:52:14,790 up the levels of aged care, 890 00:52:14,791 --> 00:52:16,665 because there's the four levels, 891 00:52:16,666 --> 00:52:19,457 I really needed to be there to do that. 892 00:52:19,458 --> 00:52:21,583 I don't think I could have done it from here. 893 00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:26,415 {\an8}[Anna Donaldson] My Aged Care is the system 894 00:52:26,416 --> 00:52:28,665 {\an8}of government-funded support 895 00:52:28,666 --> 00:52:30,749 for older people as they're ageing, 896 00:52:30,750 --> 00:52:34,540 which starts at really sort of low-level, 897 00:52:34,541 --> 00:52:36,999 entry-level support around the home 898 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,082 and goes all the way through to residential care. 899 00:52:40,083 --> 00:52:42,582 But actually the majority of the system 900 00:52:42,583 --> 00:52:45,875 is geared towards supporting people in their own homes. 901 00:52:47,375 --> 00:52:49,499 {\an8}I've spoken to so many older people 902 00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:52,249 who find it completely bamboozling. 903 00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:54,124 And not just older people, 904 00:52:54,125 --> 00:52:56,791 their carers and their families. 905 00:52:57,458 --> 00:53:00,249 [Linda] Just prior to this interview, I went and looked up 906 00:53:00,250 --> 00:53:04,374 the Aged Care and the categories there 907 00:53:04,375 --> 00:53:10,250 didn't really suit me at this point in time of my life and my career, 908 00:53:10,583 --> 00:53:13,916 and so I clicked on "Early Retirement" 909 00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:19,290 and it dropped down into all these boxes and I went, "Oh, my God! 910 00:53:19,291 --> 00:53:22,207 This is going to take forever to read." 911 00:53:22,208 --> 00:53:24,415 And I've got a PhD, 912 00:53:24,416 --> 00:53:26,832 and I just looked at the first paragraph 913 00:53:26,833 --> 00:53:29,874 and I went, "Oh, I'll look at that later." 914 00:53:29,875 --> 00:53:34,832 And I was thinking about how I would talk about this 915 00:53:34,833 --> 00:53:39,457 to other Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people 916 00:53:39,458 --> 00:53:41,999 that struggle with myGov. 917 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:47,124 Accessing a lot of the services like myGov 918 00:53:47,125 --> 00:53:51,457 would be near impossible in remote communities 919 00:53:51,458 --> 00:53:56,624 because the Telstra services are non-existent, 920 00:53:56,625 --> 00:54:00,374 and if they do exist in remote communities, 921 00:54:00,375 --> 00:54:03,083 it's intermittent. 922 00:54:04,333 --> 00:54:06,040 Like during the wet season, 923 00:54:06,041 --> 00:54:09,915 you might as well say there's no Telstra communication. 924 00:54:09,916 --> 00:54:13,124 They're talking to you, but it sounds like they're under water 925 00:54:13,125 --> 00:54:15,416 and you can hardly understand what they're saying. 926 00:54:17,833 --> 00:54:20,082 [Jane] Clearly, I'm on the other side of the world. 927 00:54:20,083 --> 00:54:22,582 It's a real worry to think that she could fall, 928 00:54:22,583 --> 00:54:24,207 something could happen to her. 929 00:54:24,208 --> 00:54:28,457 I'm so far away. I am her main point of contact. 930 00:54:28,458 --> 00:54:32,249 She has her aged care provider and they're brilliant, 931 00:54:32,250 --> 00:54:36,708 but it's not like if anything happens, she can, you know, call me. 932 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,499 Mum has to battle with loneliness. 933 00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:44,666 She watches a lot of television. 934 00:54:45,708 --> 00:54:48,666 She has some friends who are quite loyal, which is great. 935 00:54:48,791 --> 00:54:52,499 And she does kind of maybe sometimes overthink things 936 00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:55,624 and I think being on her own too much is not great. 937 00:54:55,625 --> 00:55:01,707 She's very youthful in her outlook and in her mind 938 00:55:01,708 --> 00:55:03,499 and I love her to bits, 939 00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:06,749 but that also means that she might rush at things. 940 00:55:06,750 --> 00:55:10,290 And, you know, lately we've got her a walker, 941 00:55:10,291 --> 00:55:13,082 a red walker, which we call the "Mean Machine." 942 00:55:13,083 --> 00:55:16,250 So I have had to encourage her to use that. 943 00:55:18,500 --> 00:55:22,249 I've set up various contingency plans, as it were, 944 00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:23,999 but at any moment, 945 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,415 I have to go back to Australia and sort Mum out. 946 00:55:26,416 --> 00:55:28,500 It's a constant source of stress. 947 00:55:31,916 --> 00:55:33,916 What did you do today? 948 00:55:34,958 --> 00:55:38,915 [Olivia] Uh… not a lot. 949 00:55:38,916 --> 00:55:41,207 No? Did you go for a walk? 950 00:55:41,208 --> 00:55:43,415 Yes, I went 'round the block. 951 00:55:43,416 --> 00:55:45,665 Did you take the Mean Machine? 952 00:55:45,666 --> 00:55:48,958 [Olivia chuckles] Yes. Yeah. 953 00:55:49,875 --> 00:55:52,540 Oh, by the way, I went to the doctor yesterday 954 00:55:52,541 --> 00:55:54,999 and she's given me a clean bill of health. 955 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,207 Yeah, well, you're a force of nature, Mum. That's amazing. 956 00:55:58,208 --> 00:56:03,207 Who are those two men in your house, darling? 957 00:56:03,208 --> 00:56:05,165 Can you see them? Look. Here they are. Look. 958 00:56:05,166 --> 00:56:07,165 - Lovely. Waving. - [man] Hey! 959 00:56:07,166 --> 00:56:10,999 Yes, they look rather nice. What are they doing? 960 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,624 They're filming me. 961 00:56:12,625 --> 00:56:14,332 They're just doing a little film thing. 962 00:56:14,333 --> 00:56:16,082 - Look. There they are. - Lovely! 963 00:56:16,083 --> 00:56:17,874 All right, off you go. 964 00:56:17,875 --> 00:56:19,540 Okay, darling. 965 00:56:19,541 --> 00:56:22,165 - All right, bye, Mum. - [man] See you later. 966 00:56:22,166 --> 00:56:24,957 - Waving. Bye! - Bye, darling. 967 00:56:24,958 --> 00:56:26,500 See you soon. 968 00:56:29,875 --> 00:56:33,041 [thoughtful music playing] 969 00:56:53,541 --> 00:56:56,708 [footsteps thud softly] 970 00:57:00,041 --> 00:57:03,083 [Margaret] I get lonely here on my own now. 971 00:57:04,125 --> 00:57:08,957 Last year, five of my friends died. 972 00:57:08,958 --> 00:57:12,082 One I'd known since I was 16. 973 00:57:12,083 --> 00:57:15,082 [indistinct chatter on TV] 974 00:57:15,083 --> 00:57:21,000 I spend at least four hours watching television. 975 00:57:22,041 --> 00:57:26,333 Most of the time, I can't work the television properly. 976 00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:44,707 [Sue] Okay, is that too tight or not tight enough? 977 00:57:44,708 --> 00:57:46,290 No. 978 00:57:46,291 --> 00:57:48,458 It seems to be all right. 979 00:57:59,791 --> 00:58:02,082 [Sue] Do you ever get frightened at night, Mum? 980 00:58:02,083 --> 00:58:04,541 - Mm-hmm. - [Sue] Tell me about that. 981 00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:10,750 Well, it's all very quiet. 982 00:58:12,208 --> 00:58:17,999 And I just have to tell myself that I'm all right 983 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,291 because if I… if I, um… 984 00:58:23,333 --> 00:58:28,166 talked about how I was feeling, it would make me even more frightened. 985 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,416 See, all this is exhausting for me… 986 00:58:44,458 --> 00:58:46,625 unfortunately. 987 00:58:47,666 --> 00:58:49,457 Is your granny… 988 00:58:49,458 --> 00:58:53,332 John, does your granny manage, like, on her own? 989 00:58:53,333 --> 00:58:55,624 - [John] Yeah. - Yeah? 990 00:58:55,625 --> 00:58:58,750 - How old is she? - [John] She's 90. 991 00:58:59,833 --> 00:59:03,249 - Really? - [John] But, uh… 992 00:59:03,250 --> 00:59:06,040 Is she in a care place? 993 00:59:06,041 --> 00:59:07,707 [John] No, not at the moment. 994 00:59:07,708 --> 00:59:09,665 - She's still at home? - [John] Still at home. 995 00:59:09,666 --> 00:59:11,875 She's got a lot of neighbors… 996 00:59:12,875 --> 00:59:15,415 uh, who visit her every day. 997 00:59:15,416 --> 00:59:18,415 - Wow. That's… - [John] But she's a very able woman. 998 00:59:18,416 --> 00:59:20,791 - Isn't that wonderful? - [John] She's very healthy. 999 00:59:30,375 --> 00:59:32,625 [Margaret] Ooh, it's very dark. 1000 00:59:36,291 --> 00:59:38,832 [solemn music playing] 1001 00:59:38,833 --> 00:59:41,957 [reporter] Across the country, nursing home residents 1002 00:59:41,958 --> 00:59:46,290 account for almost 60%, of coronavirus deaths, 1003 00:59:46,291 --> 00:59:49,457 amongst the worst in the world. 1004 00:59:49,458 --> 00:59:51,082 [Morton] The pandemic taught us a lot. 1005 00:59:51,083 --> 00:59:56,124 Above all else, I think, that privatized services don't work. 1006 00:59:56,125 --> 00:59:57,916 Particularly when they're essential services 1007 00:59:58,041 --> 01:00:00,499 because in the end, the government needs to intervene 1008 01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:02,165 to make sure we continue getting them. 1009 01:00:02,166 --> 01:00:05,582 This is a gig economy, it's a casualized workforce. 1010 01:00:05,583 --> 01:00:07,165 We get paid a pittance 1011 01:00:07,166 --> 01:00:09,749 and I need to work at five different homes in a week, 1012 01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:11,249 otherwise I cannot feed my family. 1013 01:00:11,250 --> 01:00:14,665 {\an8}The skill involved in caring 1014 01:00:14,666 --> 01:00:16,665 {\an8}is just not recognized, 1015 01:00:16,666 --> 01:00:19,207 {\an8}completely undervalued. 1016 01:00:19,208 --> 01:00:21,624 You don't usually remember all the machines 1017 01:00:21,625 --> 01:00:23,415 and the stethoscopes and the fancy thing, 1018 01:00:23,416 --> 01:00:25,374 but you will remember the touch 1019 01:00:25,375 --> 01:00:27,082 of the nurse or the care worker 1020 01:00:27,083 --> 01:00:29,082 and the kindness, the compassion. 1021 01:00:29,083 --> 01:00:32,915 We just don't have enough of the right people 1022 01:00:32,916 --> 01:00:35,958 with the right skills across the system. 1023 01:00:37,625 --> 01:00:40,040 [Sue] I'll just get the bubbles out. 1024 01:00:40,041 --> 01:00:41,541 [cork pops] 1025 01:00:47,333 --> 01:00:48,749 Well done. 1026 01:00:48,750 --> 01:00:52,082 Oh, look at this girl. She's got a pirate ship. 1027 01:00:52,083 --> 01:00:53,749 [Margaret] Oh, so she has. 1028 01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:55,374 [Sue chuckles] 1029 01:00:55,375 --> 01:00:57,665 [Margaret] I wonder if she's going to sail it. 1030 01:00:57,666 --> 01:01:01,375 I don't think she'll ever see it again if she lets it out now. 1031 01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:09,124 So, Mum, if you were in aged care, I could pick you up 1032 01:01:09,125 --> 01:01:11,541 and we could sneak out and do this maybe. 1033 01:01:12,208 --> 01:01:13,874 Well, I'll keep that in mind 1034 01:01:13,875 --> 01:01:18,249 because, you know, it's nerve-racking 1035 01:01:18,250 --> 01:01:23,540 that you're going to go into this place 1036 01:01:23,541 --> 01:01:25,499 where you're not alone, 1037 01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:28,624 which is one of the reasons I'd like to do it. 1038 01:01:28,625 --> 01:01:30,708 [Sue] Yeah, 'cause you're not alone. 1039 01:01:34,041 --> 01:01:36,082 Do you think you could ring and book yourself 1040 01:01:36,083 --> 01:01:37,749 into an aged care place? 1041 01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:39,707 - No, I don't want to do that. - [Sue] Why? 1042 01:01:39,708 --> 01:01:41,957 But why couldn't you do it rather than me? 1043 01:01:41,958 --> 01:01:43,707 I don't… 1044 01:01:43,708 --> 01:01:47,624 I don't want to do many of the things that you insist on. 1045 01:01:47,625 --> 01:01:49,832 - For instance… - No, but I would like you… 1046 01:01:49,833 --> 01:01:51,874 Why do I have to do it? 1047 01:01:51,875 --> 01:01:53,915 Now, that's a nice little dog. 1048 01:01:53,916 --> 01:01:55,665 - [Sue chuckles] - Look at that one. 1049 01:01:55,666 --> 01:01:57,749 That's cute, like Jerry. 1050 01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:59,833 Yeah, a bit like Jerry. 1051 01:02:00,708 --> 01:02:02,415 Can you do all the phone calls? 1052 01:02:02,416 --> 01:02:05,415 I used to, always. I did everything. 1053 01:02:05,416 --> 01:02:08,291 But I don't know. I've lost the… the will. 1054 01:02:09,208 --> 01:02:12,665 [Sue] But do you think you could do it without me? 1055 01:02:12,666 --> 01:02:13,999 No. 1056 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,624 What if I went somewhere and lived overseas? 1057 01:02:16,625 --> 01:02:18,332 - How would you do it? - Well, you did. 1058 01:02:18,333 --> 01:02:21,165 - You went away on holiday. - Yeah, for two weeks. 1059 01:02:21,166 --> 01:02:23,583 I'm talking about, what if I went for two years? 1060 01:02:24,916 --> 01:02:28,083 Well, I'd just turn up my toes and… 1061 01:02:34,041 --> 01:02:37,082 It's been such a great thing, 1062 01:02:37,083 --> 01:02:39,374 what you've done for me, 1063 01:02:39,375 --> 01:02:40,999 because I couldn't have done 1064 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,833 many of the things that you've taken over. 1065 01:02:45,958 --> 01:02:48,083 And you've done it well. 1066 01:02:50,958 --> 01:02:54,125 [waves crash softly in distance] 1067 01:02:57,458 --> 01:03:00,583 [pensive music playing] 1068 01:03:09,708 --> 01:03:11,165 [Beverly] Come in. 1069 01:03:11,166 --> 01:03:13,040 [Hanh] Hello, my dear. 1070 01:03:13,041 --> 01:03:14,874 Let me just… 1071 01:03:14,875 --> 01:03:16,624 - Whoops-a-daisy! - Hello! 1072 01:03:16,625 --> 01:03:18,750 - Heya. - Hey. 1073 01:03:20,625 --> 01:03:24,374 Now that I have moved away from your area, 1074 01:03:24,375 --> 01:03:26,624 I would like to introduce 1075 01:03:26,625 --> 01:03:29,582 another care finder in this area. 1076 01:03:29,583 --> 01:03:33,165 And they will assist me, like… 1077 01:03:33,166 --> 01:03:35,499 - What I do. - Going shopping? 1078 01:03:35,500 --> 01:03:40,457 That's something that I am going to find out today 1079 01:03:40,458 --> 01:03:42,624 with My Aged Care. 1080 01:03:42,625 --> 01:03:44,749 [phone line rings] 1081 01:03:44,750 --> 01:03:46,540 [automated voice on phone] Good afternoon. 1082 01:03:46,541 --> 01:03:49,540 Welcome to the Online Services Support Hotline. 1083 01:03:49,541 --> 01:03:53,665 This help desk provides customer support for your myGov account 1084 01:03:53,666 --> 01:03:56,582 or Services Australia online accounts. 1085 01:03:56,583 --> 01:03:59,582 If you haven't received your security code 1086 01:03:59,583 --> 01:04:01,832 to sign into your myGov account, 1087 01:04:01,833 --> 01:04:07,708 go to my.gov.au and search 'tips for troubleshooting'… 1088 01:04:08,416 --> 01:04:10,415 [Beverly] Keeping up with technology. 1089 01:04:10,416 --> 01:04:13,290 I'm not frightened of it, I just can't keep up with it, 1090 01:04:13,291 --> 01:04:15,582 you know, at the present moment. 1091 01:04:15,583 --> 01:04:22,582 Your whole system sort of goes into a bit of a rut and a grind. 1092 01:04:22,583 --> 01:04:24,165 [automated voice] For assistance 1093 01:04:24,166 --> 01:04:26,249 with a myGov linking code, press 2. 1094 01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:29,499 When they do that thing where they give you a little… 1095 01:04:29,500 --> 01:04:31,582 code, a special code, 1096 01:04:31,583 --> 01:04:33,457 I say, "Don't do that!" 1097 01:04:33,458 --> 01:04:35,457 Because my eyesight 1098 01:04:35,458 --> 01:04:38,707 and the rest of me just can't cope with it. 1099 01:04:38,708 --> 01:04:40,749 [automated voice] To hear these options again, 1100 01:04:40,750 --> 01:04:42,457 please press 9. 1101 01:04:42,458 --> 01:04:44,749 [rock music plays on phone] 1102 01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:46,583 [Beverly] When you can't hear, 1103 01:04:47,083 --> 01:04:49,957 sounds come in at different levels. 1104 01:04:49,958 --> 01:04:52,207 It can be very disconcerting. 1105 01:04:52,208 --> 01:04:56,125 And when they play that music… 1106 01:04:57,166 --> 01:05:02,082 Oh, it can play havoc with your hearing aids. 1107 01:05:02,083 --> 01:05:04,540 [laughs] You know, 1108 01:05:04,541 --> 01:05:06,749 sometimes they make funny noises 1109 01:05:06,750 --> 01:05:10,790 and then you're trying to listen to people on the telephone. 1110 01:05:10,791 --> 01:05:12,540 It's a challenge. 1111 01:05:12,541 --> 01:05:15,249 [rock music continues on phone] 1112 01:05:15,250 --> 01:05:17,540 [Hanh] I would simplify things, you know? 1113 01:05:17,541 --> 01:05:21,374 Like, I would put a person, a human being 1114 01:05:21,375 --> 01:05:24,582 to answer the phone 1115 01:05:24,583 --> 01:05:28,249 and I would not go, like, from option A to option C, 1116 01:05:28,250 --> 01:05:32,290 then to option B and then to option C again 1117 01:05:32,291 --> 01:05:34,124 and then by the time you reach someone, 1118 01:05:34,125 --> 01:05:35,874 it's, like, an hour. 1119 01:05:35,875 --> 01:05:38,999 [gentle music playing] 1120 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,165 One last thing that I also found out… 1121 01:05:42,166 --> 01:05:44,499 I don't know if you're interested at all. 1122 01:05:44,500 --> 01:05:48,415 Knox City Council, around here they have a talking cafe. 1123 01:05:48,416 --> 01:05:51,249 - They have which? - A talking cafe. 1124 01:05:51,250 --> 01:05:54,582 It's, like, for people who are over 65 1125 01:05:54,583 --> 01:05:57,999 who are feeling a bit isolated. 1126 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,415 Oh, they might have a book club too. 1127 01:06:00,416 --> 01:06:02,832 They do! They do meet, like, a lot of… 1128 01:06:02,833 --> 01:06:05,374 [Beverly] I love my independence. 1129 01:06:05,375 --> 01:06:08,916 I'll do the best I can to maintain it. 1130 01:06:10,041 --> 01:06:14,666 I am grateful for all those who made it happen. 1131 01:06:16,583 --> 01:06:19,332 That little lass, she's… 1132 01:06:19,333 --> 01:06:23,833 she's just absolutely wonderful. 1133 01:06:26,666 --> 01:06:28,332 - Thank you, sweetheart. - All right. 1134 01:06:28,333 --> 01:06:29,999 Okay, I will see you soon. 1135 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,915 [Hanh] You'd think, as a care finder, 1136 01:06:31,916 --> 01:06:34,832 you'd do, like, only linking someone in My Aged Care, 1137 01:06:34,833 --> 01:06:36,499 but I do more than that. 1138 01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:38,165 - Bye. - Bye, darling. 1139 01:06:38,166 --> 01:06:40,165 [Hanh] There's a lot of loneliness. 1140 01:06:40,166 --> 01:06:43,874 You rely on some worker to come to your home 1141 01:06:43,875 --> 01:06:47,125 and to give you that community connection. 1142 01:06:54,958 --> 01:06:57,000 [Luciana] Which one was the house you were born? 1143 01:06:58,083 --> 01:07:00,540 - This one. - And where did you ski? 1144 01:07:00,541 --> 01:07:03,832 Here, there, everywhere, cross-country. 1145 01:07:03,833 --> 01:07:06,707 [Luciana] And how old were you when you started skiing? 1146 01:07:06,708 --> 01:07:08,624 12. 1147 01:07:08,625 --> 01:07:13,124 And he's got also… He won a prize skiing. 1148 01:07:13,125 --> 01:07:15,540 Cross-country championship. Yeah. 1149 01:07:15,541 --> 01:07:17,833 Yeah, yeah, at 12. 1150 01:07:19,958 --> 01:07:21,999 I think at home 1151 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:28,165 you would have a better quality of life with support services. 1152 01:07:28,166 --> 01:07:31,499 [Sue] So your plan is for you and Mario to stay here? 1153 01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:35,582 I keep on telling him, "Mate, we've got to keep healthy. 1154 01:07:35,583 --> 01:07:37,332 We've got to keep healthy." 1155 01:07:37,333 --> 01:07:40,207 So Mario might want to go up the ladder. 1156 01:07:40,208 --> 01:07:41,915 I say, "No, no, no, no, no. 1157 01:07:41,916 --> 01:07:43,915 We've got to keep healthy 1158 01:07:43,916 --> 01:07:48,166 because the alternative is much worse." 1159 01:07:49,208 --> 01:07:54,040 We're a proud lot. We want to be independent as much. 1160 01:07:54,041 --> 01:07:58,833 So we ask for help when it's almost too late. 1161 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,457 Yes, there is some isolation, 1162 01:08:02,458 --> 01:08:05,999 but I think I feel confident 1163 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,166 that we could stay at home a long time. 1164 01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:14,207 I go to the University of the Third Age. 1165 01:08:14,208 --> 01:08:17,499 I love it because not only do I practice my Italian, 1166 01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:20,708 but the knowledge is great. 1167 01:08:21,750 --> 01:08:24,415 Mario loves his garden, 1168 01:08:24,416 --> 01:08:26,832 can fix anything you put in front of him, 1169 01:08:26,833 --> 01:08:28,582 but he doesn't want to read, 1170 01:08:28,583 --> 01:08:30,915 he doesn't want to learn anything else. 1171 01:08:30,916 --> 01:08:35,499 So take that away, and that would be real trouble. 1172 01:08:35,500 --> 01:08:39,915 There would be depression setting in and all that. 1173 01:08:39,916 --> 01:08:42,999 "No, no, no, no. I don't need anyone to do the garden." 1174 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,207 And Mario helps me to clean. 1175 01:08:45,208 --> 01:08:47,249 He does the kitchen every night. 1176 01:08:47,250 --> 01:08:53,124 I cook and he does the dishes, cleaning… 1177 01:08:53,125 --> 01:08:55,082 [Sue laughs] He's the perfect husband. 1178 01:08:55,083 --> 01:08:58,874 - Hey, hang on. - [Mario chuckles] Oh, dear! 1179 01:08:58,875 --> 01:09:01,500 Hang on a second! 1180 01:09:02,916 --> 01:09:05,624 [laughs] 1181 01:09:05,625 --> 01:09:07,415 There's no such thing. 1182 01:09:07,416 --> 01:09:10,040 You… you could say 98%. 1183 01:09:10,041 --> 01:09:13,207 - [Sue] All right. - Leave 2%. 1184 01:09:13,208 --> 01:09:16,375 [romantic Italian folk music playing] 1185 01:09:32,625 --> 01:09:36,165 [Luciana] We can't stay up until 12 o'clock anymore, 1186 01:09:36,166 --> 01:09:38,916 but we dance together. 1187 01:09:47,041 --> 01:09:50,166 [romantic music continues] 1188 01:09:52,958 --> 01:09:55,540 The first time I sat with him 1189 01:09:55,541 --> 01:09:59,415 when we went to that blessed Boathouse, 1190 01:09:59,416 --> 01:10:01,249 I felt good. 1191 01:10:01,250 --> 01:10:02,875 I just felt good. 1192 01:10:04,208 --> 01:10:05,875 And that's it. 1193 01:10:07,125 --> 01:10:10,624 [romantic music continues] 1194 01:10:10,625 --> 01:10:12,875 [ducks quacking] 1195 01:10:14,666 --> 01:10:17,041 But you need to want to grow old together. 1196 01:10:18,083 --> 01:10:22,332 I'm not perfect. He's not perfect. 1197 01:10:22,333 --> 01:10:26,582 But you have to make a decision whether you want that relationship 1198 01:10:26,583 --> 01:10:29,749 and, therefore, you work towards that. 1199 01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:34,749 If your idea is to grow old together, 1200 01:10:34,750 --> 01:10:37,125 then it can happen. 1201 01:10:39,708 --> 01:10:42,082 [girl] Older people need proper care. 1202 01:10:42,083 --> 01:10:44,957 They need things like strong communication. 1203 01:10:44,958 --> 01:10:46,999 - Touch. - Empathy. 1204 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,624 - Love. - Dignity. 1205 01:10:48,625 --> 01:10:51,332 - Respect. - [all] And care. 1206 01:10:51,333 --> 01:10:53,499 So if we keep cutting corners, 1207 01:10:53,500 --> 01:10:55,874 it's not just Grandma who's in trouble. 1208 01:10:55,875 --> 01:10:58,790 [all] We're all in trouble. 1209 01:10:58,791 --> 01:11:01,916 [students applaud] 1210 01:11:07,041 --> 01:11:09,750 [distant chatter] 1211 01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:17,457 [woman] When people arrive at our dementia cafes, 1212 01:11:17,458 --> 01:11:20,290 they're welcomed by our volunteer team, 1213 01:11:20,291 --> 01:11:22,082 by our facilitator. 1214 01:11:22,083 --> 01:11:24,040 Everybody has a name tag. 1215 01:11:24,041 --> 01:11:25,625 It just has their name on it. 1216 01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:28,374 There's no other labels 1217 01:11:28,375 --> 01:11:30,207 or anything that highlights 1218 01:11:30,208 --> 01:11:33,124 that they might be living with dementia themselves. 1219 01:11:33,125 --> 01:11:35,916 And the beauty of that is, is that nobody feels 1220 01:11:36,291 --> 01:11:38,165 different to anybody else. 1221 01:11:38,166 --> 01:11:40,790 That everybody is equal in our cafes. 1222 01:11:40,791 --> 01:11:44,249 [woman 2] Oh, we can't win. We don't remember the game! 1223 01:11:44,250 --> 01:11:46,415 [man] Yeah, coffee. 1224 01:11:46,416 --> 01:11:49,749 - [woman 3] Coffee? Milk? Milk? - [man] Yeah. 1225 01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:51,499 You've got the flat white? 1226 01:11:51,500 --> 01:11:53,374 No, it's a good atmosphere here. 1227 01:11:53,375 --> 01:11:56,082 Oh, and the people are interesting as well. 1228 01:11:56,083 --> 01:11:58,040 [indistinct chatter] 1229 01:11:58,041 --> 01:12:00,165 [Jess Conley] One story I hear time and time again 1230 01:12:00,166 --> 01:12:02,040 from new enquiries is, 1231 01:12:02,041 --> 01:12:04,124 "My partner has been diagnosed with dementia 1232 01:12:04,125 --> 01:12:06,915 and, as a result, they have withdrawn from society. 1233 01:12:06,916 --> 01:12:08,624 They're too scared to go out. 1234 01:12:08,625 --> 01:12:12,374 They're embarrassed, they're ashamed and so they withdraw." 1235 01:12:12,375 --> 01:12:17,082 So to have a social outlet to come to 1236 01:12:17,083 --> 01:12:20,499 where everybody's going through similar experiences, 1237 01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:24,290 the best feedback I can receive is when people say, 1238 01:12:24,291 --> 01:12:27,499 "I can't tell who are the ones living with dementia and who aren't," 1239 01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:30,374 because everybody's interacting, everybody's enjoying themselves 1240 01:12:30,375 --> 01:12:31,915 and everybody has a connection. 1241 01:12:31,916 --> 01:12:35,540 It's Judy and Roy's 65th wedding anniversary tomorrow. 1242 01:12:35,541 --> 01:12:38,707 [all applaud] 1243 01:12:38,708 --> 01:12:41,332 And she said, "Don't tell anyone!" 1244 01:12:41,333 --> 01:12:43,582 [laughter] 1245 01:12:43,583 --> 01:12:46,375 [Conley] And it looks like our guests are here! 1246 01:12:51,208 --> 01:12:55,915 Today we invited some of the Kinder children 1247 01:12:55,916 --> 01:12:57,624 from the early learning center 1248 01:12:57,625 --> 01:12:59,999 to come and join us preparing for Christmas. 1249 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:04,540 So we generally like to do some sort of craft activity 1250 01:13:04,541 --> 01:13:09,290 or something that we can then display at our Christmas party. 1251 01:13:09,291 --> 01:13:12,416 [light whimsical music playing] 1252 01:13:13,458 --> 01:13:16,583 [people chatter busily] 1253 01:13:22,875 --> 01:13:26,540 [Holland] They're part of a community, they get to speak with younger people, 1254 01:13:26,541 --> 01:13:30,124 they don't feel like they're locked away and I think that's the sort of… 1255 01:13:30,125 --> 01:13:32,790 That's the first thing that we get wrong in Australia. 1256 01:13:32,791 --> 01:13:36,249 Our aged care homes are pretty much completely segregated 1257 01:13:36,250 --> 01:13:37,958 from the rest of the community. 1258 01:13:38,458 --> 01:13:43,374 I think models that allow older people some presence in the general community 1259 01:13:43,375 --> 01:13:46,499 rather than being entirely kind of locked away, 1260 01:13:46,500 --> 01:13:48,749 seem like a really good starting place. 1261 01:13:48,750 --> 01:13:51,082 [Michael Wynne] Every one of us is going to get older. 1262 01:13:51,083 --> 01:13:54,082 It's the one sector, more than any other, 1263 01:13:54,083 --> 01:13:57,499 where we can start involving community. 1264 01:13:57,500 --> 01:13:59,957 Bring them back into taking control 1265 01:13:59,958 --> 01:14:02,457 of their lives, of their communities, 1266 01:14:02,458 --> 01:14:04,165 instead of being controlled. 1267 01:14:04,166 --> 01:14:07,374 And I think it's government's job to build community 1268 01:14:07,375 --> 01:14:10,749 so that community takes over these roles and local… 1269 01:14:10,750 --> 01:14:12,457 These things are managed locally 1270 01:14:12,458 --> 01:14:14,999 and supported by central government. 1271 01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,165 He's got a blue shirt, has he? 1272 01:14:17,166 --> 01:14:21,457 [Linda Payi Ford] As soon as babies can understand language 1273 01:14:21,458 --> 01:14:24,707 in the mother's tummy, in the womb, 1274 01:14:24,708 --> 01:14:27,457 through their growing years, 1275 01:14:27,458 --> 01:14:29,916 they should be hearing about aged care… 1276 01:14:30,875 --> 01:14:36,458 and the sorts of issues that elderly people face. 1277 01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:40,582 It would often be very difficult 1278 01:14:40,583 --> 01:14:43,499 if the person was solely on their own, 1279 01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:45,415 but if they're in a community 1280 01:14:45,416 --> 01:14:48,207 and they're loved by their community, 1281 01:14:48,208 --> 01:14:54,457 um, the community will step up and come and help. 1282 01:14:54,458 --> 01:14:58,625 [people chattering] 1283 01:15:00,750 --> 01:15:03,832 Until our community are engaged 1284 01:15:03,833 --> 01:15:06,040 as citizens and participants 1285 01:15:06,041 --> 01:15:11,165 who care about creating a better future of ageing, 1286 01:15:11,166 --> 01:15:13,583 no structural reform… 1287 01:15:14,625 --> 01:15:16,250 will get us there. 1288 01:15:18,875 --> 01:15:22,665 [girl 1] Once again, governments come and go. 1289 01:15:22,666 --> 01:15:26,874 [girl 2] A guy named Anthony promised to fix it all. 1290 01:15:26,875 --> 01:15:28,750 {\an8}Good afternoon. 1291 01:15:29,791 --> 01:15:33,707 {\an8}Today, we are putting the care back into aged care. 1292 01:15:33,708 --> 01:15:36,332 We're announcing the greatest improvement 1293 01:15:36,333 --> 01:15:39,749 in aged care in 30 years. 1294 01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:41,499 [girl 3] This sounds good. 1295 01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:44,332 Will he make Grandma's life better? 1296 01:15:44,333 --> 01:15:47,040 [Annie Butler] In October 2022, 1297 01:15:47,041 --> 01:15:52,707 they passed a bill that was an amendment to the Aged Care Act. 1298 01:15:52,708 --> 01:15:55,582 "You must have a registered nurse in every nursing home." 1299 01:15:55,583 --> 01:15:57,999 [girl 1] But the aged care industry 1300 01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,124 didn't like this idea at all. 1301 01:16:00,125 --> 01:16:02,874 Once again, they cried poor. 1302 01:16:02,875 --> 01:16:05,915 {\an8}[reporter] The families of almost 200 aged care residents 1303 01:16:05,916 --> 01:16:08,124 {\an8}are in a state of disbelief tonight, 1304 01:16:08,125 --> 01:16:11,665 with the shock closure of three Wesley Mission nursing homes. 1305 01:16:11,666 --> 01:16:13,540 Joining me now is the CEO 1306 01:16:13,541 --> 01:16:16,832 and Superintendent of Wesley Mission, Reverend Stu Cameron. 1307 01:16:16,833 --> 01:16:19,165 People who are watching, should they be worried 1308 01:16:19,166 --> 01:16:22,582 the home that their parents are in could be next? 1309 01:16:22,583 --> 01:16:24,915 I think… Leila, I think there's a lot of change 1310 01:16:24,916 --> 01:16:27,040 that has happened and will continue to happen… 1311 01:16:27,041 --> 01:16:28,374 - So yes? - Yes. 1312 01:16:28,375 --> 01:16:29,749 I think there will be more. 1313 01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:34,999 So they're very worried about threats that come from nursing homes. 1314 01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,165 "Oh, we have to… We're gonna have to shut down. 1315 01:16:37,166 --> 01:16:39,457 If we don't get this, we're gonna have to shut down." 1316 01:16:39,458 --> 01:16:42,665 And so they basically hold the government hostage. 1317 01:16:42,666 --> 01:16:44,582 I think the profit motive 1318 01:16:44,583 --> 01:16:49,499 is very damaging to health and aged care. 1319 01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:52,041 They're very uncomfortable bedfellows. 1320 01:16:56,833 --> 01:16:58,541 [gate squeaks] 1321 01:17:08,250 --> 01:17:10,874 [footsteps approach] 1322 01:17:10,875 --> 01:17:12,707 What was that? 1323 01:17:12,708 --> 01:17:14,625 There's the phone. 1324 01:17:21,625 --> 01:17:24,000 Do I put this out tomorrow? 1325 01:17:25,041 --> 01:17:26,500 Friday. 1326 01:17:28,583 --> 01:17:31,416 How long have you been doing exercise classes for? 1327 01:17:32,083 --> 01:17:34,624 Oh, this is my second year. 1328 01:17:34,625 --> 01:17:37,499 - [Sue] And do you like it? - Yes, I do. 1329 01:17:37,500 --> 01:17:39,125 - Very much. - [Sue] Why? 1330 01:17:39,875 --> 01:17:41,541 Why do you like it? 1331 01:17:44,125 --> 01:17:47,040 I like it because it's… 1332 01:17:47,041 --> 01:17:51,457 I'm able to do or try to do all of them. 1333 01:17:51,458 --> 01:17:54,124 It's not that difficult. 1334 01:17:54,125 --> 01:17:56,832 And they're very nice people. 1335 01:17:56,833 --> 01:17:59,500 But do you do it for a reason? 1336 01:18:00,791 --> 01:18:04,540 Well, I keep hearing that exercises 1337 01:18:04,541 --> 01:18:06,750 are terribly important. 1338 01:18:07,916 --> 01:18:11,249 I should do some on other days as well, 1339 01:18:11,250 --> 01:18:14,083 but there is no-one that will pick me up. 1340 01:18:17,166 --> 01:18:20,624 Last year, my legs felt stronger 1341 01:18:20,625 --> 01:18:23,124 so I'm hoping the same thing will happen 1342 01:18:23,125 --> 01:18:27,791 'cause I've had no exercises over the Christmas period. 1343 01:18:28,833 --> 01:18:32,040 So doing it, surely, is partly trying to keep you 1344 01:18:32,041 --> 01:18:33,915 out of a nursing home maybe. 1345 01:18:33,916 --> 01:18:36,124 'Cause if you couldn't walk, what would happen? 1346 01:18:36,125 --> 01:18:38,915 Oh, I'd have to go in… 1347 01:18:38,916 --> 01:18:41,874 or you'd have to come and live with me. 1348 01:18:41,875 --> 01:18:46,207 [Sue laughs] We don't want that. Where would I sleep? 1349 01:18:46,208 --> 01:18:49,207 In one of the bedrooms. I've got two. 1350 01:18:49,208 --> 01:18:53,082 [Sue chuckles] I'll come and visit you at the nursing home. 1351 01:18:53,083 --> 01:18:54,333 Yeah. 1352 01:18:55,708 --> 01:18:58,083 - [woman] Take your time. - [Margaret] Yes. 1353 01:18:59,125 --> 01:19:00,707 [man speaks indistinctly] 1354 01:19:00,708 --> 01:19:03,540 - Yeah, just push my back. - Oh, push your back. All right. 1355 01:19:03,541 --> 01:19:05,499 - A bit of a shove. - [Margaret chuckles] 1356 01:19:05,500 --> 01:19:06,666 You right? 1357 01:19:08,041 --> 01:19:09,374 - All righty. - Yes, good. 1358 01:19:09,375 --> 01:19:11,332 - You comfortable? Sorry. - Thank you. Thank you. 1359 01:19:11,333 --> 01:19:13,374 - That's good. - No worries. 1360 01:19:13,375 --> 01:19:16,375 [quirky music playing] 1361 01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:20,708 [sighs] 1362 01:19:24,333 --> 01:19:27,582 I've travelled all around the world. 1363 01:19:27,583 --> 01:19:29,624 [woman] How lucky are you, Margaret? 1364 01:19:29,625 --> 01:19:32,415 - I don't know about that. - [woman] Yeah. 1365 01:19:32,416 --> 01:19:34,415 Some of it was terrific, 1366 01:19:34,416 --> 01:19:37,290 but we had a year in the Philippines… 1367 01:19:37,291 --> 01:19:39,915 [woman] Oh, wow. For your husband's work, was it? 1368 01:19:39,916 --> 01:19:43,624 Yes, he was at the University of the Philippines. 1369 01:19:43,625 --> 01:19:46,290 And I've been to the Chinese Wall. 1370 01:19:46,291 --> 01:19:49,290 - I nearly forgot that. - [woman] Oh! 1371 01:19:49,291 --> 01:19:52,832 Yeah, I went with a friend years ago. 1372 01:19:52,833 --> 01:19:54,291 [woman] Yep. 1373 01:19:55,958 --> 01:19:59,125 [people chattering] 1374 01:20:00,916 --> 01:20:03,332 [Margaret] That's my daughter, by the way, 1375 01:20:03,333 --> 01:20:05,957 that's doing the film, and that's my granddaughter. 1376 01:20:05,958 --> 01:20:08,999 [man] Oh, right, okay. Oh, hey. 1377 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,790 - [woman] Hello. - [man] How are you? 1378 01:20:10,791 --> 01:20:12,915 [Margaret] She's making one about old age. 1379 01:20:12,916 --> 01:20:16,124 - [man] Oh, yeah? - And I'm in it. [chuckles] 1380 01:20:16,125 --> 01:20:19,250 [people chattering indistinctly] 1381 01:20:25,083 --> 01:20:26,874 [Margaret] I thought I was going to fall. 1382 01:20:26,875 --> 01:20:28,999 That's always my terror. 1383 01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,125 [quirky music playing] 1384 01:20:40,958 --> 01:20:42,458 Three more each. 1385 01:20:44,208 --> 01:20:45,333 Two. 1386 01:20:46,833 --> 01:20:49,874 And one. All right, legs out straight. 1387 01:20:49,875 --> 01:20:52,500 Let's just raise them up and down 10 times. 1388 01:20:53,625 --> 01:20:56,665 Yep, and get them arms going! 1389 01:20:56,666 --> 01:20:58,957 Up and down, sideways. 1390 01:20:58,958 --> 01:21:01,208 Six, seven… 1391 01:21:03,208 --> 01:21:04,874 …eight… 1392 01:21:04,875 --> 01:21:07,040 So it'll be right, left, right. 1393 01:21:07,041 --> 01:21:11,207 Right up, left side, right straight. 1394 01:21:11,208 --> 01:21:12,665 [Margaret] Oh, my God! 1395 01:21:12,666 --> 01:21:16,375 - So, up, hook, right. - Side… 1396 01:21:16,875 --> 01:21:19,041 Right, hook, right. 1397 01:21:22,416 --> 01:21:26,000 All right, guys, I reckon you've done very well today. 1398 01:21:27,166 --> 01:21:30,375 [cheerful carnival music playing] 1399 01:21:35,333 --> 01:21:38,290 No-one really talks about aged care until they're old. 1400 01:21:38,291 --> 01:21:41,415 Yeah, we should be talking about it a lot earlier. 1401 01:21:41,416 --> 01:21:43,582 We'll never fix our aged care system 1402 01:21:43,583 --> 01:21:47,124 unless we realize we're all in this together. 1403 01:21:47,125 --> 01:21:49,457 Maybe governments could work for us 1404 01:21:49,458 --> 01:21:51,582 instead of whoever pays them the most. 1405 01:21:51,583 --> 01:21:55,624 But surely our governments care more about people than money. 1406 01:21:55,625 --> 01:21:57,374 Yeah, you'd hope so. 1407 01:21:57,375 --> 01:22:00,165 But the lobby is very powerful. 1408 01:22:00,166 --> 01:22:02,374 If they continue to drive policy, 1409 01:22:02,375 --> 01:22:04,208 aged care won't work for us. 1410 01:22:07,625 --> 01:22:11,583 [plays bright folk tune] 1411 01:22:31,333 --> 01:22:35,457 [Luciana] We're involved in a seniors Italian group 1412 01:22:35,458 --> 01:22:38,374 of 70 people. 1413 01:22:38,375 --> 01:22:42,207 There are 10 males. 1414 01:22:42,208 --> 01:22:45,041 The rest, they're all female, 1415 01:22:45,791 --> 01:22:49,124 and they all live at home. 1416 01:22:49,125 --> 01:22:52,250 [bright folk tune continues] 1417 01:23:22,250 --> 01:23:24,041 [music fades] 1418 01:23:25,583 --> 01:23:30,207 Most of our members have had a pretty hard life, 1419 01:23:30,208 --> 01:23:33,415 like all… all migrants 1420 01:23:33,416 --> 01:23:36,915 of the '50s, '60s and '70s. 1421 01:23:36,916 --> 01:23:40,957 You reach a certain age, you've had enough. 1422 01:23:40,958 --> 01:23:43,957 Not that once they stop working, 1423 01:23:43,958 --> 01:23:45,582 they've got nothing to do. 1424 01:23:45,583 --> 01:23:47,707 They raise all the grandchildren first. 1425 01:23:47,708 --> 01:23:52,165 But once you arrive at this age, you've had enough. 1426 01:23:52,166 --> 01:23:53,874 ["Forever Young" by Alphaville plays] 1427 01:23:53,875 --> 01:23:56,832 ♪ Let's dance in style Let's dance for a while ♪ 1428 01:23:56,833 --> 01:23:58,540 ♪ Heaven can wait ♪ 1429 01:23:58,541 --> 01:24:00,707 ♪ We're only watching the skies ♪ 1430 01:24:00,708 --> 01:24:02,374 ♪ Hoping for the best ♪ 1431 01:24:02,375 --> 01:24:04,082 ♪ But expecting the worst ♪ 1432 01:24:04,083 --> 01:24:07,083 ♪ Are you gonna drop the bomb or not? ♪ 1433 01:24:08,125 --> 01:24:11,665 ♪ Let us die young Or let us live forever ♪ 1434 01:24:11,666 --> 01:24:15,290 ♪ We don't have the power But we never say never ♪ 1435 01:24:15,291 --> 01:24:17,290 ♪ Sitting in a sandpit ♪ 1436 01:24:17,291 --> 01:24:19,124 ♪ Life is a short trip ♪ 1437 01:24:19,125 --> 01:24:21,458 ♪ The music's for the sad man ♪ 1438 01:24:22,666 --> 01:24:25,999 ♪ Can you imagine when this race is won? ♪ 1439 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,374 ♪ Turn our golden faces into the sun ♪ 1440 01:24:29,375 --> 01:24:31,582 ♪ Praising our leaders ♪ 1441 01:24:31,583 --> 01:24:33,290 ♪ We're getting in tune ♪ 1442 01:24:33,291 --> 01:24:35,582 ♪ The music's played by the ♪ 1443 01:24:35,583 --> 01:24:36,957 ♪ The mad man ♪ 1444 01:24:36,958 --> 01:24:39,207 ♪ Forever young ♪ 1445 01:24:39,208 --> 01:24:42,916 ♪ I want to be forever young ♪ 1446 01:24:43,958 --> 01:24:47,749 ♪ Do you really want to live forever? ♪ 1447 01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:49,249 ♪ Forever ♪ 1448 01:24:49,250 --> 01:24:51,332 ♪ And ever ♪ 1449 01:24:51,333 --> 01:24:53,915 ♪ Forever young ♪ 1450 01:24:53,916 --> 01:24:56,374 ♪ I want to be forever young… ♪ 1451 01:24:56,375 --> 01:24:58,290 So you want to do a cheers? 1452 01:24:58,291 --> 01:24:59,750 Mmm. 1453 01:25:01,250 --> 01:25:03,499 So, Mum, why are you doing this film? 1454 01:25:03,500 --> 01:25:06,290 Because I thought it would help you 1455 01:25:06,291 --> 01:25:09,749 because I wasn't as helpful when you were doing the others. 1456 01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:12,832 You must understand, I don't… 1457 01:25:12,833 --> 01:25:16,499 You're comfortable with all these things. I'm not. 1458 01:25:16,500 --> 01:25:19,374 - But we're finished now. - Nearly finished. 1459 01:25:19,375 --> 01:25:22,290 But it's a nice opportunity to spend time together. 1460 01:25:22,291 --> 01:25:24,040 Would you suggest that? 1461 01:25:24,041 --> 01:25:28,457 And Lola and Claudie and Ben and Jeremy and… 1462 01:25:28,458 --> 01:25:31,124 Well, I don't know so much about them, 1463 01:25:31,125 --> 01:25:36,124 but I'm sure if I got to know them more intimately, 1464 01:25:36,125 --> 01:25:39,958 I would find they were absolutely charming. 1465 01:25:40,958 --> 01:25:44,499 - I think that's enough now. - Okay, no worries. 1466 01:25:44,500 --> 01:25:46,499 - Good. - Well done. 1467 01:25:46,500 --> 01:25:48,999 - Thank you. - Nothing else you want to add? 1468 01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,207 - No. - You sure? 1469 01:25:51,208 --> 01:25:53,457 Absolutely certain. 1470 01:25:53,458 --> 01:25:55,499 Thank you so much, Mum, for doing it. 1471 01:25:55,500 --> 01:25:57,999 - Okay. - I really… You can relax. 1472 01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,791 - Yes, good, good. - Yeah. 1473 01:26:00,375 --> 01:26:01,707 Goodbye! 1474 01:26:01,708 --> 01:26:03,541 [laughter] 1475 01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:08,082 Oh, dear. Goodbye. 1476 01:26:08,083 --> 01:26:11,500 - [woman] Well done, Granny. - Oh, thank you, darling. 1477 01:26:12,041 --> 01:26:13,332 [woman] Thank you. 1478 01:26:13,333 --> 01:26:15,249 Oh, she's beautiful, isn't she? 1479 01:26:15,250 --> 01:26:16,749 Look how skinny she is. 1480 01:26:16,750 --> 01:26:18,665 All righty, well done. 1481 01:26:18,666 --> 01:26:20,749 And that's a wrap! 1482 01:26:20,750 --> 01:26:22,999 ♪ And ever ♪ 1483 01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,457 ♪ Forever young ♪ 1484 01:26:25,458 --> 01:26:29,250 ♪ I want to be forever young ♪ 1485 01:26:30,250 --> 01:26:34,207 ♪ Do you really want to live forever? ♪ 1486 01:26:34,208 --> 01:26:39,040 ♪ Forever young ♪ 1487 01:26:39,041 --> 01:26:42,583 [song continues] 1488 01:27:22,833 --> 01:27:24,916 [song fades] 1489 01:28:17,708 --> 01:28:21,250 {\an8}[light quirky music playing] 112925

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