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Wait, Christine, wait.
I'm gonna get you from the front too.
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-Okay.
-I got it from the back.
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All right, this looks good.
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In 2016,
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my husband and I moved to Short Creek
on the Utah-Arizona border.
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It's the fundamentalist
Mormon version of Mecca.
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-You have a call from…
-Warren Jeffs.
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You may start the conversation now.
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At the time, their prophet,
Warren Jeffs, was in prison.
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Guilty of two counts of felony
sexual assault against two girls.
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We heard how dangerous this town was.
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We heard it was the most reclusive,
isolated town in America.
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Warren Jeffs may be in prison,
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but he's apparently
still very much in charge.
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Jeffs led the polygamous sect,
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the Fundamentalist Church
of Latter-day Saints.
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But I felt drawn to come here
to help these people.
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And they said,
"We don't need outsider help."
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You're trespassing.
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Well, guess what? Yes, they did.
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Yes, they fucking did.
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People who think this story came to an end
with Warren going to prison are wrong.
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They've left a very vulnerable population
wide open to predators.
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We didn't know who we could trust.
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Sam Bateman saw himself
being an heir apparent to Warren Jeffs.
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That tells you all you need to know.
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Predators don't come in
dressed with their horns and their cape.
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They come in
dressed in their suit and tie.
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The only reason I'm rich
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is Heavenly Father
blessed me with these girls.
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Everybody wants to jump in, huh?
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He said,
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"Are you having temptations
to report Samuel to the law?"
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What?
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Tolga, we have to…
I have to turn this tape in.
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We're the only ones in,
so we gotta get in more.
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Yeah, face the curtain.
Nice. Stay that way a little bit.
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I wasn't there to betray them.
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I don't know if it's traitors or what.
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I was there to save them.
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This is the police!
I want your hands above your head!
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Are you a prophet?
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I would be a liar if I said I wasn't.
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Go ahead.
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Here we go.
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There she goes.
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There we go.
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We're basically moving to the Crick.
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I mean, it is absolutely crazy out here.
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Especially for me. I'm a record producer.
What the hell am I doing out here?
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There we are. We're moving in.
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Colorado City.
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Gloves off.
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Okay, it's makeshift, okay?
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We gave up the life of comfort.
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For the life among the polygamists.
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Go this way.
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I'm gonna walk this way.
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-Tolga, you go this way.
-I'm gonna do ten different shots.
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Stop.
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When we got here,
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we felt like
we were in the Wild, Wild West.
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There were no outsiders here. I mean,
there was maybe one other outside family.
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That I knew of.
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Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy.
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My husband Tolga is
a music video producer and a photographer.
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And so of course, when we moved
to this town, he wanted to document it.
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Hold on.
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So…
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This is where the FLDS community
gets their food supplies.
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It's not just FLDS.
A lot of people come here.
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Well, that's true. Right. A lot of people
come here. Including… myself.
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When Christine came along,
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everybody was leery of her
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because nobody knew what she was about.
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We always had people looking at us
like we were a freak show.
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So there was a lot of speculation
among our people
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that they were just here to do something
for TV or write a book or something.
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We're documenting it all.
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They were a very eccentric couple,
and it was very odd.
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He was from Turkey,
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and he had long hair
with a little ponytail,
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and she was like a little blonde…
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…like, Hollywood girl.
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She wore a lot of vintage clothing,
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which I thought was darling.
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But I didn't know for sure
why she was here.
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Nobody has to buy water here.
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It's so beautiful to come up here.
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-It's not work. It's like… inspiration.
-Yeah, I know. It's true.
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I felt a sense of calling
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that I wanted to move here.
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Long ago, I used to be Mormon.
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I was mainstream Mormon,
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but I was absolutely zealous and devoted.
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Mormons believe in prophets.
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And I met a man who persuaded me
that he was a modern-day prophet.
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And I decided, if this man was a prophet,
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I was going to be completely obedient.
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I had to do what he said or risk my soul.
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Little by little, I got more confused,
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and I lost my critical thinking.
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Before I knew it,
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I was so broken.
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I didn't even know who I was anymore.
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So I then spent the next decade
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reading everything I could about cults.
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I became an expert in cult psychology.
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I believed that every single person
who was FLDS needed to be rescued
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from irrational cultic beliefs
and brainwashing.
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But I felt connected to these people.
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So all of this made me believe
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that I could be helpful here.
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And when I got here,
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I learned that the FLDS were floundering.
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In the aftermath
of Warren Jeffs's incarceration,
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the community has really been
fraying and fragmenting.
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Warren Jeffs wound up
in a prison down in Texas.
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He's been there a long time.
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But I've been around the story
long enough to know incarcerating Warren
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would do nothing to diminish his power.
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Having him in prison
doesn't change what he is.
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You know, Heavenly Father hasn't
appointed another to be the prophet.
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So as far as we're concerned,
he's still the prophet.
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-Do you know what happened in that trial?
-I don't want to know anything about it.
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You don't want to know anything about it?
How come?
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Just don't want to.
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I shut myself off
to that negative about him, I--
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-You don't believe it's true?
-I know it's not true.
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Warren Jeffs became more powerful
because he's now a martyr.
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And from his prison in Texas,
he would put out edicts.
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Behold that which you hear,
the revelations of God.
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He told his congregation,
"No more marriages."
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He told them to stop having sex.
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Because he's not having
any sort of intimate contact,
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apparently nobody else could.
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We weren't supposed to be getting married.
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We couldn't have marital relations.
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Even with your husband,
then we didn't hug anymore.
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We've been taught our whole lives
that not one year should go by
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without a child being born.
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And now there were no more children.
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Nobody was having babies.
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Oh my gosh.
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Look at these cribs.
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Holy mackerel. This is where
they took all the cribs and bassinets
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after you couldn't have children anymore.
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There are just hundreds and hundreds
of FLDS cribs in here.
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Wow.
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You have a group of people
who are paralyzed,
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waiting for their leader
to be released from prison,
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not knowing
what the right steps are to do.
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And around 2015,
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Warren seemed to be getting
more mentally unstable,
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and he stopped communicating
with almost everyone outside of prison.
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And then in 2016,
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the outside government came in
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and took control of the town away
from the FLDS and Warren Jeffs.
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The court sort of took control
of the entire community.
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The prophet was gone.
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We weren't getting directive.
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We were a very, very vulnerable
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and hungry… people.
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When we got to Short Creek,
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we began to see
what the FLDS were going through.
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We started seeing endless moving trailers
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packing up and leaving town.
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We learned that, when the town
had been taken over by the state of Utah,
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the FLDS started being evicted
from their homes.
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I need you off the property.
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I'm not gonna be off the property.
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-Okay, then I'll call the police.
-I want you to kick me out of my home.
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Because in order for them
to stay in their homes,
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they had to sign a document
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that they believed
was a violation of their religion.
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Take a picture of this.
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This is an eviction
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of somebody
who was just evicted last week,
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moved over temporarily into this house.
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So, Tolga and I
just started documenting these things.
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Do you need help?
Can we help him? Do you need help?
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I don't know what's going on,
but this looks really wrong.
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I feel bad for these people.
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This was my great-grandfather
Elmer's homestead.
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It's just totally heartless.
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We just saw what I felt was injustice,
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and no one cared because they were FLDS
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and had been painted
with the crimes of Warren Jeffs.
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So, we thought,
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well, maybe we could do a documentary
and tell the other side of the story
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of these FLDS people
because they're so stigmatized.
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Okay, that's rolling.
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And this is rolling.
Oh, I'm not rolling yet.
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I have to do this, so…
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it syncs to audio on both cameras.
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We wanted to help people understand
the positive side of the community.
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You look like you're going on a safari.
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-What's with the hat?
-I wanted to look like a producer.
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Okay, Tolga, I'm gonna do it.
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Let's do a little orientation,
um, real quick.
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Okay, do it.
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Okay. So, if he's filming,
if you see Tolga with a camera,
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then don't call his name
and don't call my name.
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We wanna show the regular life.
We wanna show the truth.
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It took us a while to totally trust,
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but she really knew
how to get into people's hearts
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and put 'em at ease.
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So, the FLDS people consider themselves
to be like the real Mormons, right?
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Yeah, we just feel like that we wanna
live it fundamentally, in its purity.
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-Yeah, okay.
-And…
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I didn't know about her backstory.
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I didn't know anything
about her ventriloquism.
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Happy birthday to you.
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I happen to be a ventriloquist.
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By the way, this is Zucchini.
She's my scarecrow.
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I'm not just a scarecrow.
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I'm half scarecrow, half cookie.
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Oh yeah…
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Before I moved here,
I lived a very colorful life.
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I had all kinds of adventures.
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Miss Michigan, Christine Marie.
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I am a former Miss Michigan,
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an escape artist,
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a certified life coach.
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We're gonna make vowel babies.
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I love these.
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So, what you do
is cut out two pieces of fabric.
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When I met Christine, she had
a TV show called Gingerbread House,
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and she was teaching kindergarten.
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I've never met
anybody like her in my life.
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I would catch her doing crazy stuff,
helping out people.
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Dean is here.
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He collected up a bunch of donations
for our community.
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Yeah, we got…
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As we were making the documentary,
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I also launched a nonprofit
called Voices for Dignity.
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We would bring comfort bags
and resource lists.
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And these are all new backpacks
and duffel bags.
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You're kidding. Woo!
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We needed a way
for the women to have an income,
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so Christine created Short Creek Cottage,
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where we'd sell homemade items.
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Oh, that's adorable.
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I don't know how I would have survived
without this cottage.
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Yeah, let's do… let's do it with energy.
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I had gained their trust.
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I thought, what an honor
and unique position it was for me.
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-How'd you get down? Tell Tolga.
-I landed.
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-I had to.
-How did you get down?
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I decided whether people leave the church
or don't, I want them to be okay.
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And that I would never say
anything negative about their prophet,
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because I have the unique opportunity
to help people.
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Why would they come to somebody
fighting against their way of life?
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Wait one second, Christine, wait.
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You can turn that one on.
Hold on. Wait, guys.
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We were very excited about
this documentary project we were making.
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I'm getting video.
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By this point,
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it was just known
that Tolga's around with a camera.
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Tolga! He's got a big lookin' camera!
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He's video-ing everyone
Around the world too!
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And that's how we met Sam Bateman.
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Hey, Christine.
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-Come right through here.
-Okay.
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-I'll push all this out of the way.
-Okay, thanks.
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All right. Got it.
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In the community,
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Sam was not generally a man with status.
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I don't mind doing things that
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could break my leg or something
if I wasn't careful.
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When I first met Sam Bateman,
I didn't think much about him.
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He had got an eviction notice.
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And he asked me to help,
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which I did.
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At that time, he said,
"I'm not doing very well."
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"I am in financially dire straits."
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He and his wife were getting a divorce,
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and he was a broken man.
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People thought of Sam Bateman
as kind of a shlub.
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He could never seem
to make money at his jobs.
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He was looking for, you know, a lifeline.
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I didn't see him for some time.
283
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And then Sam reappears with a new wife.
284
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Okay. All better. There you are.
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Over 18, but young and beautiful.
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Where should I look?
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You can just look at him or Christine.
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Look at me.
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Keep in mind,
people are not getting married
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because the prophet
stopped marrying people.
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-I have…
-Is it an iPhone?
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I remember thinking, "That's interesting."
293
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How did Sam get a new wife, you know?
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You know, somebody's…
been doing something that
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wasn't put together by the prophet.
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-What background do you want? That?
-This one.
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-Yeah.
-Okay.
298
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The next time I saw Sam,
he had another wife.
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Again, over 18.
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And the younger sister of the first wife.
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I was running the Short Creek Cottage.
302
00:18:42,955 --> 00:18:45,541
And Sam showed up outside in the back.
303
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He was in a vehicle with a trailer.
Like a flatbed trailer.
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There's a gift we all can give
To help along the way…
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And I went out, and it was,
like, just… dripping with women.
306
00:19:04,518 --> 00:19:07,980
There are so many things to do
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He'd showed up
with all of these wives singing.
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I was like, "Really?"
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How did that happen?
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There were babies too.
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It was like they clear forgot
some of our core beliefs.
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It was really strange to me.
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All these women and girls.
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I had no desire to be…
close to that situation.
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I just started avoiding all of 'em.
316
00:20:04,703 --> 00:20:07,372
Everybody that I heard
was involved with him, I just…
317
00:20:07,873 --> 00:20:09,791
Okay, I don't wanna go there.
318
00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:16,298
Sam was always kind of a joke
in our whole friend group.
319
00:20:16,381 --> 00:20:19,259
So at first, I didn't believe it.
320
00:20:19,343 --> 00:20:20,469
I thought it was funny.
321
00:20:21,511 --> 00:20:25,057
But when Warren goes
to a whole group of people and says,
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"Thou shalt not have sex,"
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I'll bet you that lasts
about two and a half mi-- milliseconds.
324
00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:34,942
Why? Because you can't proselyte
human nature out of humans.
325
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They're gonna do it.
326
00:20:37,945 --> 00:20:39,446
And guess what? They did.
327
00:20:42,407 --> 00:20:46,453
Sam is apparently doing
his own version of being FLDS.
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00:20:46,536 --> 00:20:49,289
Getting married, having babies,
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00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,000
and who knows what else.
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The FLDS community shunned Sam.
331
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They knew something was wrong.
Red flag, Sam is shunned.
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I don't shun.
333
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If you shun, you can't help.
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00:21:03,804 --> 00:21:07,641
If you attack, they're not gonna
come to you when they're in need.
335
00:21:07,724 --> 00:21:09,309
You wanna go flyin'?
336
00:21:09,393 --> 00:21:12,020
Oh, it's working. Okay, so what happened?
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00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:14,523
Just seeing Sam with all these females
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00:21:14,606 --> 00:21:16,566
is concerning in and of itself.
339
00:21:17,734 --> 00:21:20,946
So I wanted to figure out
what was going on.
340
00:21:22,698 --> 00:21:25,867
Sam invited Tolga and I to come to dinner
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at a house where Sam
and a lot of his wives lived.
342
00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:34,501
-Hi.
-Hey.
343
00:21:35,836 --> 00:21:39,256
There were a lot of people there,
but mostly young women.
344
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And then some very small children.
345
00:21:46,930 --> 00:21:48,932
They gave us their Sunday best.
346
00:21:50,517 --> 00:21:51,852
And then after dinner,
347
00:21:52,728 --> 00:21:55,480
they started singing to us
like a talent show.
348
00:21:55,564 --> 00:21:57,983
I think these little girls
want to sing you a song too.
349
00:21:58,066 --> 00:21:59,359
-Okay.
-Some might.
350
00:21:59,443 --> 00:22:01,611
-All right.
-Oh, that'd be wonderful.
351
00:22:01,695 --> 00:22:03,655
I wanna go here so I get everybody.
352
00:22:03,739 --> 00:22:05,324
If you guys don't all fit in the camera,
353
00:22:05,407 --> 00:22:07,868
I have to, like, keep turning,
I guess, like this.
354
00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:11,121
All right, we're ready for the song.
355
00:22:12,205 --> 00:22:15,625
An inheritance
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With our Savior
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In Zion…
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I had alarm bells ringing everywhere.
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00:22:24,051 --> 00:22:29,014
Is everlasting
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00:22:29,097 --> 00:22:32,768
I knew that Sam was married
to some of these women,
361
00:22:32,851 --> 00:22:34,686
you know, even these young women.
362
00:22:35,187 --> 00:22:38,273
But there were rumors
that he was married to the children.
363
00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:40,400
And this group is called?
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00:22:40,484 --> 00:22:41,568
Us.
365
00:22:41,651 --> 00:22:42,611
Okay.
366
00:22:42,694 --> 00:22:45,572
-How old are you guys?
-Didn't you make the words and the…?
367
00:22:45,655 --> 00:22:47,240
-What?
-We're both 10.
368
00:22:47,324 --> 00:22:48,241
Really?
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00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,751
After the dinner and talent show,
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00:22:58,418 --> 00:23:00,504
I talked to a police officer.
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00:23:01,296 --> 00:23:04,091
The Colorado City/Hildale City
Police Department
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is a department that's contracted
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to manage policing services
on both sides of the border
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00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,057
in Utah and in Arizona.
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00:23:13,141 --> 00:23:15,310
We here in Colorado City/Hildale
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have… a nice little community.
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00:23:20,982 --> 00:23:22,609
The nickname's "the Crick."
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00:23:23,610 --> 00:23:25,695
It's been kind of a sanctuary place
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00:23:25,779 --> 00:23:29,574
for people who practice plural marriage.
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00:23:30,951 --> 00:23:34,162
Prior to Christine Marie speaking to us,
381
00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:36,748
members of the community
had reached out to the police department
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00:23:36,832 --> 00:23:40,252
on a number of occasions
about Sam Bateman.
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00:23:41,670 --> 00:23:47,968
We had heard that he was trying
to gather members of the FLDS community
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to his new offshoot,
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00:23:50,095 --> 00:23:53,807
that he was gathering multiple wives,
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00:23:53,890 --> 00:23:56,601
and that some of those wives
may be underage.
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00:23:57,727 --> 00:24:00,564
It was obviously cause for concern.
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00:24:01,398 --> 00:24:03,483
But I told Christine Marie at the time
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00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:09,239
that unless we could establish
that some criminal act occurred,
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00:24:09,322 --> 00:24:11,658
we did not have a crime to investigate.
391
00:24:12,325 --> 00:24:13,368
Okay.
392
00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:15,454
Sergeant Wilkinson told me,
393
00:24:15,537 --> 00:24:19,916
"It's not a crime to call someone
your wife, even if it's a child."
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00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,503
"What's a crime is to do
something with that child,
395
00:24:23,587 --> 00:24:25,505
something like to molest that child."
396
00:24:26,339 --> 00:24:28,717
And I didn't have that information.
397
00:24:31,803 --> 00:24:35,849
So I'm paying attention
to any clue I can get.
398
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:41,771
And Sam started inviting us to things
and wanting us to film.
399
00:24:42,397 --> 00:24:45,567
Wow, how many people
are coming out of there? Wow.
400
00:24:45,650 --> 00:24:47,903
What in the world?
401
00:24:50,322 --> 00:24:51,740
It was uncanny.
402
00:24:51,823 --> 00:24:54,701
We would go on a hike up in the mountains.
403
00:24:57,078 --> 00:24:58,246
Sam would be there.
404
00:24:58,788 --> 00:24:59,998
How's it going?
405
00:25:01,124 --> 00:25:03,084
That was amazing.
I'm gonna shake your hand.
406
00:25:03,168 --> 00:25:05,712
That was like,
how do you get up those rocks like that?
407
00:25:05,795 --> 00:25:07,714
And then we got an idea.
408
00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:10,050
Hello, Tolga.
409
00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:11,092
Hey, brother.
410
00:25:11,176 --> 00:25:14,262
Sorry, my voice is so bad,
but I just got back into town, so…
411
00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:17,349
…I'm gonna bring you
a little surprise. Is that okay?
412
00:25:17,432 --> 00:25:21,311
It's your birthday, so I wanted to kind of
film it and give this to you.
413
00:25:21,394 --> 00:25:22,854
The idea was,
414
00:25:22,938 --> 00:25:24,272
if they let us film…
415
00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:26,691
-Happy birthday!
-Where's the birthday boy?
416
00:25:26,775 --> 00:25:29,986
…maybe if we spent more time with them
417
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:32,697
and developed a relationship with them,
418
00:25:32,781 --> 00:25:35,742
maybe we would see
what was really going on.
419
00:25:36,409 --> 00:25:38,912
Was he sexually abusing
any of these girls?
420
00:25:39,663 --> 00:25:42,499
-How old are we now?
-Thank you, 46.
421
00:25:42,582 --> 00:25:44,334
Forty-six? Okay, good.
422
00:25:44,417 --> 00:25:45,544
Did you have a good birthday?
423
00:25:45,627 --> 00:25:47,379
What did you do for his birthday?
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00:25:47,462 --> 00:25:49,714
-We're doing it tomorrow.
-Tomorrow? Okay.
425
00:25:49,798 --> 00:25:51,550
I'm so glad we came tonight, then.
426
00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:52,926
This is for the king.
427
00:25:53,009 --> 00:25:54,678
Yes.
428
00:25:54,761 --> 00:25:56,805
We were gonna literally bring you a crown.
429
00:25:56,888 --> 00:25:59,349
We wanted to get a crown,
but we couldn't find any, so…
430
00:25:59,432 --> 00:26:00,475
Well, thank you.
431
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,519
What I told them is,
432
00:26:02,602 --> 00:26:04,437
"I'll go in my room and shut the door,
433
00:26:04,521 --> 00:26:06,648
and you sing 'Happy Birthday'
while I'm there."
434
00:26:06,731 --> 00:26:08,024
Oh.
435
00:26:12,654 --> 00:26:14,573
Sam, I learned,
436
00:26:14,656 --> 00:26:17,951
was the actual leader of this new group.
437
00:26:18,034 --> 00:26:19,160
The Samuelite Group.
438
00:26:21,454 --> 00:26:23,665
They all lived in the same house.
439
00:26:24,749 --> 00:26:26,001
A big blue house.
440
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,009
The group was very small,
441
00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:36,970
less than 50 people,
and that includes babies.
442
00:26:37,929 --> 00:26:41,725
Besides Sam,
there were three main families involved.
443
00:26:43,268 --> 00:26:46,146
He recruited Torrance Bistline.
444
00:26:47,355 --> 00:26:50,275
Torrance was a very motivated businessman.
445
00:26:51,443 --> 00:26:55,238
Sam also recruited Ladell Bistline Jr.
446
00:26:55,739 --> 00:26:57,991
and Moroni Johnson.
447
00:26:58,491 --> 00:27:02,662
I was so lacking
in that gift of revelation.
448
00:27:02,746 --> 00:27:05,415
I could not do it without Samuel's help.
449
00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:08,793
I love him more than I love anyone,
and I will do what he asks me to do.
450
00:27:08,877 --> 00:27:12,505
And he has proven it and proven it,
and God is my witness.
451
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:17,302
All the men in Sam's group
had status in the community,
452
00:27:17,385 --> 00:27:19,179
and they all were successful.
453
00:27:20,347 --> 00:27:21,431
And I thought,
454
00:27:22,432 --> 00:27:25,352
why are they going for Sam, of all people?
455
00:27:29,606 --> 00:27:31,316
For the FLDS,
456
00:27:31,399 --> 00:27:34,694
everyone was expected
to be obedient to the prophet.
457
00:27:34,778 --> 00:27:36,321
That's the way to heaven.
458
00:27:37,697 --> 00:27:40,325
So they're dying to hear from Warren,
459
00:27:40,408 --> 00:27:42,661
dying to know what their next step was.
460
00:27:45,288 --> 00:27:47,666
It's been five, six, seven years
461
00:27:47,749 --> 00:27:50,669
since some of these people
have heard from Warren.
462
00:27:53,713 --> 00:27:55,340
Now suddenly,
463
00:27:55,423 --> 00:27:57,676
Sam came up with
464
00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:00,512
that Warren Jeffs has actually died,
465
00:28:01,513 --> 00:28:05,016
and the media is lying to you,
as they always do,
466
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:07,811
and it's just a mannequin
that's in his room.
467
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:15,443
And Sam said,
"I am now Warren Jeffs's messenger."
468
00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:18,321
"He's giving me this direction
from the other side of death."
469
00:28:20,532 --> 00:28:23,410
This, in fact, was what Warren had said
470
00:28:23,493 --> 00:28:25,078
when his father died.
471
00:28:25,745 --> 00:28:27,956
His father had been the prophet,
472
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:31,751
and Warren said that his father
was now speaking through him.
473
00:28:33,503 --> 00:28:36,339
And so what Sam told his followers
474
00:28:36,423 --> 00:28:38,425
was that Warren had left his body
475
00:28:38,508 --> 00:28:41,720
and that he was now speaking
through Samuel.
476
00:28:41,803 --> 00:28:44,264
The other night we were talking,
and he said,
477
00:28:44,347 --> 00:28:46,599
"This is the spirit of Uncle Warren."
478
00:28:47,642 --> 00:28:50,603
And I thought, that's pretty bold.
479
00:28:50,687 --> 00:28:52,856
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
480
00:28:52,939 --> 00:28:56,192
But if he didn't say it,
he'd have never woke me up
481
00:28:56,276 --> 00:28:59,112
and never started down the path
of waking me up.
482
00:28:59,195 --> 00:29:02,115
He is now the mouthpiece for Warren Jeffs.
483
00:29:02,198 --> 00:29:04,993
I can feel… people's spirits.
484
00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:08,163
I can feel it. The spirit. It's a gift.
485
00:29:17,005 --> 00:29:21,050
Sam decided that the mantle
of Warren Jeffs had fallen upon him.
486
00:29:21,718 --> 00:29:24,262
I mean, shit,
you take people's faith away,
487
00:29:24,345 --> 00:29:26,181
they'll do anything to feel it.
488
00:29:28,475 --> 00:29:31,853
Moroni was the first person
to believe in Sam.
489
00:29:33,938 --> 00:29:36,733
And because Sam was now the prophet,
490
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,820
he agreed to turn over his daughters,
491
00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:43,823
even his very young daughters,
to marry Sam.
492
00:29:45,366 --> 00:29:47,118
By the time we met Moroni,
493
00:29:47,202 --> 00:29:50,580
he had given all of his daughters to Sam.
494
00:29:51,498 --> 00:29:52,791
I surrender
495
00:29:52,874 --> 00:29:54,459
the ladies under my care.
496
00:29:55,084 --> 00:29:57,128
They belong to Father Samuel.
497
00:29:57,212 --> 00:29:59,631
What he chooses to do with them
is his business.
498
00:30:00,632 --> 00:30:03,551
Moroni had many wives,
499
00:30:03,635 --> 00:30:06,346
and most of those wives married Sam.
500
00:30:09,265 --> 00:30:11,851
And then Sam starts taking
501
00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:14,103
Ladell's daughters
502
00:30:15,438 --> 00:30:16,856
and his wife
503
00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:19,692
and other women in his care.
504
00:30:20,777 --> 00:30:23,279
And I says, "Samuel, she's yours."
505
00:30:23,947 --> 00:30:25,907
And he said, "God bless you."
506
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:29,410
So your whole family is now
going to be sealed to Samuel?
507
00:30:29,494 --> 00:30:30,578
Mm-hmm.
508
00:30:31,329 --> 00:30:34,040
However it might look to an earthly mind,
509
00:30:34,541 --> 00:30:35,959
you don't have any clue.
510
00:30:36,709 --> 00:30:38,002
Those girls love him.
511
00:30:38,878 --> 00:30:41,130
I'll testify that to the whole world.
512
00:30:41,631 --> 00:30:42,715
I've seen it.
513
00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:48,471
Everybody in a fundamental Mormon group
514
00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:50,807
want to be associated with the prophet.
515
00:30:51,808 --> 00:30:54,727
They want to be
the right-hand man of the prophet.
516
00:30:54,811 --> 00:30:57,188
They want to be the wife of the prophet.
517
00:30:57,272 --> 00:30:59,190
It's like being the wife of God.
518
00:30:59,691 --> 00:31:01,860
And if you're a believer,
who wouldn't want that?
519
00:31:09,033 --> 00:31:12,203
Several of my nieces ended up
520
00:31:12,996 --> 00:31:14,205
marrying him.
521
00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:17,542
It gave them the opportunity
to have children.
522
00:31:18,209 --> 00:31:20,837
And… I could…
523
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,341
I just felt like,
but by the grace of God, that could be me.
524
00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:32,098
It was really hard for me to see
525
00:31:32,181 --> 00:31:35,393
these people that
I really loved and respected
526
00:31:36,102 --> 00:31:37,020
go that way.
527
00:31:38,146 --> 00:31:40,773
You know, Lud and Torrance are my nephews.
528
00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:43,693
So I did know
529
00:31:44,235 --> 00:31:45,904
a lot of 'em very well.
530
00:31:47,572 --> 00:31:49,866
Now that he's a prophet,
531
00:31:49,949 --> 00:31:53,995
Sam would use his power
to make his desires known.
532
00:31:57,290 --> 00:32:01,169
Torrance had a very successful
green energy company
533
00:32:01,252 --> 00:32:03,087
that was making a lot of money.
534
00:32:04,255 --> 00:32:07,091
Moroni and Ladell worked for this company.
535
00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:12,931
And I learned that Sam's followers
were subsidizing his lifestyle.
536
00:32:15,391 --> 00:32:16,559
We found out where he lived,
537
00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:18,519
and so we'd drive by it
every couple of days
538
00:32:18,603 --> 00:32:20,063
and see how many cars he had there.
539
00:32:20,146 --> 00:32:22,065
And then all of a sudden, holy crap.
540
00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:26,861
That's basically the Bateman crew
541
00:32:27,403 --> 00:32:30,740
and their fleet of vehicles
driving by my house.
542
00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:36,871
They'd have a whole motorcade
with a Range Rover and two Bentleys
543
00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,665
and then another Range Rover.
544
00:32:41,876 --> 00:32:44,629
And they'd drive around town and show off.
545
00:32:44,712 --> 00:32:47,548
It was really sort of a…
546
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:50,843
a fuck you to all the men
547
00:32:50,927 --> 00:32:55,390
who had dissed on Sam and thought
he wasn't important in his life.
548
00:32:55,473 --> 00:32:59,060
He wanted to show those men
that he was the king.
549
00:33:13,908 --> 00:33:15,952
Did you ever hear the story
550
00:33:16,035 --> 00:33:18,663
of our Jan's Canyon experience?
551
00:33:19,247 --> 00:33:21,666
It was a training…
It was a training I was giving the girls.
552
00:33:21,749 --> 00:33:24,252
It was so dang deep.
553
00:33:24,335 --> 00:33:27,839
It looks… It looks small on the surface,
but it was… it was eternal.
554
00:33:27,922 --> 00:33:29,757
I… I could feel it from the start.
555
00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:32,218
Is it something
we should film them talking about?
556
00:33:32,301 --> 00:33:33,636
Oh, I… I think so, yeah.
557
00:33:37,598 --> 00:33:38,933
At some point,
558
00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:43,479
Sam started believing that
he should be the star of our documentary.
559
00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:48,735
What could be better than
blessing the world with his… his presence,
560
00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:50,903
his face, his teachings?
561
00:33:52,363 --> 00:33:53,406
Hi, Samuel.
562
00:33:53,489 --> 00:33:55,199
Okay, we're coming with cameras.
563
00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:56,993
Okay.
564
00:33:57,076 --> 00:34:00,747
Sam's calling us saying,
"Can you come film this?"
565
00:34:02,331 --> 00:34:03,666
We play along.
566
00:34:04,167 --> 00:34:07,670
The rule of thumb was,
if Sam wanted us to spend time,
567
00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:10,006
we were gonna go. This is our new job.
568
00:34:10,631 --> 00:34:12,925
-We brought Christine!
-Hi!
569
00:34:13,009 --> 00:34:14,218
Hi, Christine.
570
00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:16,387
We are going on an adventure.
571
00:34:17,764 --> 00:34:20,266
Tolga was making money doing music videos,
572
00:34:20,349 --> 00:34:23,186
but now his career was on hold.
573
00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:25,021
His life is on hold.
574
00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:28,357
He wanted us to film all the time.
575
00:34:28,441 --> 00:34:30,735
I'd like some videos
of me just walking real fast.
576
00:34:31,235 --> 00:34:33,863
My day would start out,
eight o'clock in the morning,
577
00:34:33,946 --> 00:34:37,950
"Tolga, Sam wants you
to go film him on the motorcycle."
578
00:34:38,576 --> 00:34:40,411
Tolga, he's there. You see him?
579
00:34:42,121 --> 00:34:44,582
He was the worst.
He couldn't jump the motorcycle.
580
00:34:44,665 --> 00:34:46,918
He couldn't do anything.
I had to sit there and watch him
581
00:34:47,001 --> 00:34:47,877
like a fool.
582
00:34:49,378 --> 00:34:50,505
Amazing.
583
00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:54,967
He would say,
"I want you to watch me hike."
584
00:34:56,928 --> 00:34:59,472
Wow, you're really talented.
I didn't know that.
585
00:34:59,555 --> 00:35:03,267
-Where did you learn to do that?
-What, to hike? Just hiking, huh?
586
00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:07,563
We're here with Sam and the girls,
587
00:35:07,647 --> 00:35:12,777
and he's, um, facilitating
a reenactment of an experience.
588
00:35:12,860 --> 00:35:15,488
There's a message in it.
It's like a life lesson,
589
00:35:15,571 --> 00:35:17,907
and he wanted that captured,
so we're doing it.
590
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:19,575
So this is kind of how it was.
591
00:35:19,659 --> 00:35:21,410
Did you say, "Pray for me," right?
592
00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:23,037
Oh yeah, I didn't say that, did I?
593
00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:24,831
-Should we do that one again?
-Yeah.
594
00:35:26,624 --> 00:35:27,708
Pray for me.
595
00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:30,378
-That works.
-Perfect.
596
00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:32,797
I can't guarantee this is…
597
00:35:33,381 --> 00:35:35,007
this is the right path.
598
00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:37,718
Watch the cactus.
599
00:35:41,389 --> 00:35:43,641
Girls, I've been wondering
when you'd come down.
600
00:35:44,225 --> 00:35:48,646
I'm not displeased with you, but this is
a lesson that people have to learn,
601
00:35:48,729 --> 00:35:51,983
is that you can communicate
through the spirit of God.
602
00:35:53,943 --> 00:35:56,571
Okay. What?
Should we do it again, or what?
603
00:35:59,949 --> 00:36:01,200
Then one day,
604
00:36:01,284 --> 00:36:03,119
Sam called in the morning,
605
00:36:03,202 --> 00:36:05,163
and he said he had an impression.
606
00:36:05,246 --> 00:36:09,208
Now, an "impression" is
like God's telling you something.
607
00:36:09,292 --> 00:36:11,294
"I had an impression from the Lord
608
00:36:11,377 --> 00:36:13,379
that you and Tolga
609
00:36:13,462 --> 00:36:16,507
need to come over to my house this morning
610
00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:18,676
and we need to tell you some things."
611
00:36:18,759 --> 00:36:20,011
Oh my goodness, thank you.
612
00:36:20,094 --> 00:36:22,972
It might be a bit slushy
because it was in the freezer.
613
00:36:24,223 --> 00:36:27,226
He had all these women and children there.
614
00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:29,395
Because it's like
they're here to protect us…
615
00:36:29,478 --> 00:36:34,192
And then Sam said he had an impression
that he should leave the room
616
00:36:34,275 --> 00:36:37,028
while the girls talk to us.
617
00:36:39,322 --> 00:36:40,364
Okay.
618
00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:44,702
Finally, the chance
to talk to the girls by themselves.
619
00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:49,332
I was trying to figure out,
what can I ask without giving a red flag?
620
00:36:50,625 --> 00:36:53,336
So do you feel like…
do you feel like your life…
621
00:36:53,419 --> 00:36:55,922
Like, how has your life changed
since all this?
622
00:36:56,005 --> 00:36:58,007
Since you got your testimony of Samuel?
623
00:36:58,090 --> 00:36:59,842
All for the better.
624
00:36:59,926 --> 00:37:01,802
-Fifty times happier.
-Yeah.
625
00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:04,180
-Fifty times more at peace.
-Something to live for.
626
00:37:04,263 --> 00:37:07,350
There's always something to live for
and always an increase.
627
00:37:07,433 --> 00:37:09,393
And you always know
that somebody loves you,
628
00:37:09,477 --> 00:37:11,103
somebody's praying for you.
629
00:37:11,854 --> 00:37:16,025
What more could a girl ask for
but just to belong somewhere.
630
00:37:16,108 --> 00:37:17,610
Yeah.
631
00:37:18,611 --> 00:37:20,988
The girls were enamored with Sam.
632
00:37:21,614 --> 00:37:24,158
They told us that they had received
633
00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:27,620
confirmation from God
that they were meant to be with Sam.
634
00:37:27,703 --> 00:37:29,956
Should we hop in the Bentley
and get Toro and talk to him?
635
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:31,249
-Sure.
-Okay.
636
00:37:32,291 --> 00:37:35,419
And then Sam said, "Let's go for a drive."
637
00:37:36,504 --> 00:37:39,048
And he puts us in the car,
638
00:37:39,131 --> 00:37:43,219
and he picks three girls. "I want you
and you and you to come along."
639
00:37:44,553 --> 00:37:46,973
We start driving around.
640
00:37:47,056 --> 00:37:49,100
There's four of us in the back seat,
641
00:37:49,183 --> 00:37:53,479
and then Tolga in the front with Sam,
but he wasn't filming.
642
00:37:56,357 --> 00:37:59,777
Sam starts talking about
how much he suffered.
643
00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:04,573
And it seems as if he's trying
to build up to something.
644
00:38:05,741 --> 00:38:07,743
I thought, where is this gonna go?
645
00:38:07,827 --> 00:38:10,121
I put in a lot of hours
to wait for this moment
646
00:38:10,204 --> 00:38:11,831
to see what is really happening.
647
00:38:11,914 --> 00:38:14,917
So I reached my hand down into my purse,
648
00:38:15,001 --> 00:38:16,043
grabbed my phone,
649
00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:20,214
and I sneak it up my leg.
650
00:38:21,590 --> 00:38:24,677
And I very secretly hit record.
651
00:38:25,177 --> 00:38:27,179
And Sam
652
00:38:28,347 --> 00:38:30,099
just spilled the beans.
653
00:38:50,202 --> 00:38:51,329
Okay.
654
00:39:13,934 --> 00:39:14,935
Mmm.
655
00:39:17,146 --> 00:39:18,898
Sam explained
656
00:39:18,981 --> 00:39:23,861
that he had to atone
for the sins of wicked men
657
00:39:23,944 --> 00:39:27,531
by having these three wives
658
00:39:29,408 --> 00:39:30,451
have sex with them.
659
00:39:30,534 --> 00:39:33,162
The three girls
he had chosen to come in the car
660
00:39:33,245 --> 00:39:34,663
were the three he was telling you?
661
00:39:34,747 --> 00:39:35,581
Yes.
662
00:39:52,723 --> 00:39:55,393
This girl was 13 years old.
663
00:39:57,561 --> 00:40:00,356
It was clear, for the first time,
664
00:40:00,856 --> 00:40:04,402
that… there was sexual abuse of children.
665
00:40:08,739 --> 00:40:09,573
Yeah.
666
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:15,955
Mmm.
667
00:40:20,126 --> 00:40:20,960
Yeah.
668
00:40:24,171 --> 00:40:26,006
While he's telling this story,
669
00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:27,925
he's trying to describe
670
00:40:28,426 --> 00:40:31,512
all the pain and suffering
that he had to go through.
671
00:40:32,805 --> 00:40:33,973
In the meantime,
672
00:40:34,932 --> 00:40:39,019
these pure FLDS women,
673
00:40:39,103 --> 00:40:41,564
young women and child,
674
00:40:43,023 --> 00:40:45,317
are incredibly humiliated.
675
00:40:45,401 --> 00:40:46,444
They were like,
676
00:40:47,486 --> 00:40:49,238
you know, not good.
677
00:40:54,577 --> 00:40:56,537
Yeah, it hurts.
678
00:40:58,831 --> 00:41:02,334
She said, "I was so dang scared."
679
00:41:02,418 --> 00:41:05,546
And then Sam starts telling them
what to say.
680
00:41:13,179 --> 00:41:15,598
-Not one speck of anything.
-Trauma?
681
00:41:27,651 --> 00:41:28,569
Has it…?
682
00:41:47,796 --> 00:41:48,714
Wow.
683
00:41:50,257 --> 00:41:55,054
All of the panic circuitry
in my body was exploding.
684
00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:57,723
I mean, my mouth was turning into cotton,
685
00:41:57,806 --> 00:42:01,435
and I couldn't handle any more.
686
00:42:02,394 --> 00:42:05,272
Well, I am gonna go start getting ready
and feed the animals,
687
00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:07,983
but Tolga can stay
and talk more if… if you want.
688
00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:09,485
So, um…
689
00:42:09,568 --> 00:42:12,821
-We actually gotta be home too.
-Well, thank you.
690
00:42:12,905 --> 00:42:14,657
-Love you, guys.
-All good.
691
00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:16,617
-Thank you.
-Thank you. I love you.
692
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:18,160
-God bless you.
-Love you too.
693
00:42:18,244 --> 00:42:20,996
-Love you, Sam. Love you all.
-Thank you guys so much.
694
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,164
Bye.
695
00:42:26,043 --> 00:42:29,672
The date is November 10th, 2021.
696
00:42:31,924 --> 00:42:33,509
The location is
697
00:42:34,718 --> 00:42:36,887
Colorado City, Arizona.
698
00:42:37,471 --> 00:42:39,348
Driving around in a car.
699
00:42:49,608 --> 00:42:51,443
Yeah. Tolga, we have to… we have to…
700
00:42:51,527 --> 00:42:53,195
I have to turn this tape in.
701
00:42:54,071 --> 00:42:56,532
Yes, but you got… you got now full trust.
702
00:42:56,615 --> 00:42:57,992
You gotta wait a couple more days.
703
00:42:58,075 --> 00:43:00,494
-I know, I can't… I have to explain.
-They can't know.
704
00:43:00,578 --> 00:43:03,581
These girls need my…
They need to trust me,
705
00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:05,791
or they won't ever trust anybody.
706
00:43:05,874 --> 00:43:07,668
So I don't know what to do.
707
00:43:07,751 --> 00:43:10,838
-You know. They'll know--
-Just lay low for a second.
708
00:43:10,921 --> 00:43:13,632
-Just let the police know, and… lay low.
-Yeah.
709
00:43:13,716 --> 00:43:15,217
Yeah, I'm gonna call.
54756
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