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Give us a minute to scope it out first. 9 00:00:27,402 --> 00:00:29,530 You ready? - Do I have a choice? 10 00:00:29,530 --> 00:00:30,822 - That's the spirit. 11 00:00:32,616 --> 00:00:35,661 [owl hooting] 12 00:00:38,205 --> 00:00:39,665 LAPD. 13 00:00:39,665 --> 00:00:41,625 We've received a distress call from this location. 14 00:00:41,625 --> 00:00:44,211 We are making entry. 15 00:00:44,211 --> 00:00:46,213 ♪ ♪ 16 00:00:46,213 --> 00:00:47,714 - Ooh. 17 00:00:47,714 --> 00:00:51,051 ♪ ♪ 18 00:00:51,051 --> 00:00:53,428 Oh. Do you feel that? 19 00:00:53,428 --> 00:00:54,429 - Feel what? 20 00:00:54,429 --> 00:00:56,598 - Ah, something evil's in here. 21 00:00:56,598 --> 00:00:58,392 - Well, sure smells like it. 22 00:01:06,024 --> 00:01:09,653 - [muffled] I can't die. 23 00:01:09,653 --> 00:01:14,116 [muffled indistinct speech] Won't let me die. 24 00:01:14,116 --> 00:01:16,577 - Police. Show yourself. 25 00:01:16,577 --> 00:01:19,121 [door thuds] 26 00:01:19,121 --> 00:01:21,707 - I can't die. It's inside of me. 27 00:01:21,707 --> 00:01:24,084 It won't let me die. - Don't touch that, all right? 28 00:01:24,084 --> 00:01:25,752 Just--call this in. Call it in. 29 00:01:25,752 --> 00:01:28,005 - I need an RA to my location for a stabbing victim. 30 00:01:28,005 --> 00:01:29,589 - So I usually sit right next to camera 31 00:01:29,589 --> 00:01:30,841 to keep the eyeline tight. 32 00:01:30,841 --> 00:01:32,509 - Then I'll just sit on the other side. 33 00:01:32,509 --> 00:01:33,844 - No, because then you'll split his look. 34 00:01:33,844 --> 00:01:35,846 - I don't think it matters. - Oh, hey. Hi. 35 00:01:35,846 --> 00:01:37,681 Thanks--thanks again for sitting down with me. 36 00:01:37,681 --> 00:01:40,309 - Us. - What? Oh, right, us. 37 00:01:40,309 --> 00:01:42,477 Uh, why are you filming? 38 00:01:42,477 --> 00:01:44,146 - Oh, I just wanted to document the new partnership. 39 00:01:44,146 --> 00:01:45,814 Abigail was very excited. 40 00:01:45,814 --> 00:01:47,691 - It's not a partnership. - It's totally a partnership. 41 00:01:47,691 --> 00:01:49,901 The judge was very clear. - The judge? 42 00:01:49,901 --> 00:01:51,278 - My name is Abigail Tierney. 43 00:01:51,278 --> 00:01:53,322 I'm currently trapped inside a secret lab 44 00:01:53,322 --> 00:01:54,698 at Westview Psychiatric. 45 00:01:54,698 --> 00:01:57,284 All attempts at escape have proven fruitless. 46 00:01:57,284 --> 00:01:59,619 - I may have inadvertently used some of Abigail's footage 47 00:01:59,619 --> 00:02:02,581 in my last documentary without gaining the proper permissions. 48 00:02:02,581 --> 00:02:05,792 - Translation, he stole my intellectual property, 49 00:02:05,792 --> 00:02:08,252 I sued, and the judge gave him a choice-- 50 00:02:08,252 --> 00:02:10,339 pay me 200 thou in damages or give me equal partnership 51 00:02:10,339 --> 00:02:11,798 in his next project. 52 00:02:11,798 --> 00:02:13,216 - He never said equal, but you know what? 53 00:02:13,216 --> 00:02:14,926 Never mind. 54 00:02:14,926 --> 00:02:16,762 Let's focus on the story that we're here to tell. 55 00:02:16,762 --> 00:02:18,055 Have a seat. 56 00:02:19,473 --> 00:02:21,850 Perhaps the most shocking case of murder 57 00:02:21,850 --> 00:02:23,435 and mayhem we've ever seen. 58 00:02:23,435 --> 00:02:24,811 Would you say that's a fair assessment? 59 00:02:24,811 --> 00:02:26,647 - Um-- 60 00:02:26,647 --> 00:02:28,273 - No, no, stay--stay back. Stay back. Stay back. 61 00:02:28,273 --> 00:02:29,608 You don't understand. - OK, relax. 62 00:02:29,608 --> 00:02:31,943 OK, we're trying to help you. Who stabbed you? 63 00:02:31,943 --> 00:02:33,945 - I stabbed myself. 64 00:02:33,945 --> 00:02:36,698 It's inside of me. I've tried everything else. 65 00:02:36,698 --> 00:02:37,908 I can't kill it. 66 00:02:37,908 --> 00:02:40,535 I can't die. See? 67 00:02:40,535 --> 00:02:42,120 - No, don't pull that-- don't pull it out! 68 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:43,413 Oh, God. 69 00:02:45,832 --> 00:02:47,084 Oh, he died instantly. 70 00:02:47,084 --> 00:02:49,503 I mean, the wound was fatal. 71 00:02:49,503 --> 00:02:52,381 You can't stab yourself in the heart and survive. 72 00:02:52,381 --> 00:02:55,592 But the way the knife was lodged, 73 00:02:55,592 --> 00:02:56,676 he wasn't bleeding. 74 00:02:56,676 --> 00:02:58,428 Once he pulled it out-- 75 00:02:58,428 --> 00:03:01,056 - It was blood fountain city. - Not exactly, but-- 76 00:03:01,056 --> 00:03:03,266 - As shocking as that was, it was far from 77 00:03:03,266 --> 00:03:04,893 the most shocking thing you found. 78 00:03:04,893 --> 00:03:06,228 - Oh, we should get him to say that 79 00:03:06,228 --> 00:03:07,729 to set up the opening credits. 80 00:03:07,729 --> 00:03:09,481 - That's not--we-- we don't put words 81 00:03:09,481 --> 00:03:11,233 in people's mouths. It's a documentary. 82 00:03:13,652 --> 00:03:16,822 - Yeah, it was, uh, straight-up crazy. 83 00:03:16,822 --> 00:03:18,198 [dynamic theme music] 84 00:03:18,198 --> 00:03:20,075 - You don't think-- - There's a body in there. 85 00:03:20,075 --> 00:03:21,827 - [grunts] - [strains] 86 00:03:21,827 --> 00:03:23,036 - May have finally found it. 87 00:03:23,036 --> 00:03:24,955 [screaming] 88 00:03:24,955 --> 00:03:26,289 - Please don't kill us. 89 00:03:26,289 --> 00:03:27,999 We will join your cult. 90 00:03:27,999 --> 00:03:29,751 - Oh. - Oh, God. 91 00:03:29,751 --> 00:03:32,129 - You arrived on scene as the sergeant's supervisor? 92 00:03:32,129 --> 00:03:33,422 - Yes. 93 00:03:33,422 --> 00:03:35,549 I got there before the ambulance, 94 00:03:35,549 --> 00:03:37,426 not that there was any aid they could have rendered. 95 00:03:37,426 --> 00:03:38,969 - Is there a reason you didn't want us 96 00:03:38,969 --> 00:03:40,470 to interview you with Tim? 97 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:41,638 - What? 98 00:03:41,638 --> 00:03:43,223 [chuckles] No. We're just-- 99 00:03:43,223 --> 00:03:45,058 just shaking it up. 100 00:03:45,058 --> 00:03:46,435 - Let's-- let's-- let's stay focused. 101 00:03:46,435 --> 00:03:48,228 Were you the first to recognize the victim? 102 00:03:48,228 --> 00:03:50,355 - Uh, sort of. 103 00:03:50,355 --> 00:03:53,233 I thought I knew his face, but it wasn't until 104 00:03:53,233 --> 00:03:54,526 we ran his prints that we got a name. 105 00:03:54,526 --> 00:03:57,487 - Rich Rowley was retired LAPD. 106 00:03:57,487 --> 00:03:59,448 He had been with the department for 30 years 107 00:03:59,448 --> 00:04:01,032 and was a little bit of a legend, 108 00:04:01,032 --> 00:04:04,327 mostly because he made a series of training videos 109 00:04:04,327 --> 00:04:07,914 from the mid-'90s till his retirement in 2015, 110 00:04:07,914 --> 00:04:11,877 which by modern standards, are a little cringe. 111 00:04:11,877 --> 00:04:13,795 - Hey, everybody. Rich Rowley here 112 00:04:13,795 --> 00:04:15,922 with another installment of... 113 00:04:15,922 --> 00:04:18,007 ♪ ♪ 114 00:04:18,007 --> 00:04:20,260 Now, today, we're gonna be talking about 115 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:22,929 proper cuffing technique. 116 00:04:22,929 --> 00:04:24,055 - Excuse me, officer? 117 00:04:24,055 --> 00:04:26,308 I hurt my shoulder at the gym. 118 00:04:26,308 --> 00:04:28,185 Would you mind cuffing me in front? 119 00:04:29,603 --> 00:04:32,647 - Pretty lady like you, 120 00:04:32,647 --> 00:04:34,733 what's the worst that could happen? 121 00:04:34,733 --> 00:04:36,568 [handcuffs click] 122 00:04:36,568 --> 00:04:39,446 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 123 00:04:39,446 --> 00:04:41,865 - [grunts] - [straining] 124 00:04:41,865 --> 00:04:43,366 - Rich was a trip. 125 00:04:43,366 --> 00:04:46,369 The life of the party, at least early in his career. 126 00:04:46,369 --> 00:04:48,121 Then as the years went on, 127 00:04:48,121 --> 00:04:51,833 he became a little, uh, crazy. 128 00:04:51,833 --> 00:04:53,251 - Crazy how? 129 00:04:53,251 --> 00:04:55,170 - He was deep into conspiracy theories. 130 00:04:55,170 --> 00:04:58,840 He had a real thing for cults and cabals. 131 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:01,218 - To be fair, Los Angeles does have a pretty dark history. 132 00:05:01,218 --> 00:05:03,804 But Rich took it to the next level, 133 00:05:03,804 --> 00:05:05,222 and his training videos got more 134 00:05:05,222 --> 00:05:06,640 and more intense because of it. 135 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,350 We finally got around to updating the videos 136 00:05:08,350 --> 00:05:11,269 this last year, but that caused quite a controversy 137 00:05:11,269 --> 00:05:12,687 with some of the older officers. 138 00:05:12,687 --> 00:05:15,065 They said we were being insensitive. 139 00:05:15,065 --> 00:05:17,651 - Why would updating training videos be insensitive? 140 00:05:17,651 --> 00:05:20,195 - Even three years on, a lot of his friends 141 00:05:20,195 --> 00:05:22,614 were still mourning his death and saw the videos as a way 142 00:05:22,614 --> 00:05:24,991 to keep his memory alive. - I'm sorry. 143 00:05:24,991 --> 00:05:26,284 I thought Rich died six months ago. 144 00:05:26,284 --> 00:05:28,286 - Yeah. - He did. 145 00:05:28,286 --> 00:05:29,704 I'm talking about the first time. 146 00:05:29,704 --> 00:05:31,456 - Divers are searching for 147 00:05:31,456 --> 00:05:32,999 any signs of retired 148 00:05:32,999 --> 00:05:36,002 Los Angeles police officer Richard Rowley 149 00:05:36,002 --> 00:05:37,921 after a sailing trip gone wrong. 150 00:05:37,921 --> 00:05:40,423 Coast Guard responded to a distress call 151 00:05:40,423 --> 00:05:42,384 this morning from Rowley's wife, 152 00:05:42,384 --> 00:05:44,678 who says the 55-year-old fell overboard 153 00:05:44,678 --> 00:05:46,680 after the sailboat he was captaining 154 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,641 was struck by a rogue wave. 155 00:05:49,641 --> 00:05:51,810 - Any time someone disappears from a boating trip, 156 00:05:51,810 --> 00:05:53,353 it automatically sets off alarm bells. 157 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:54,980 - Why is that? 158 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:56,815 - It's just an ideal place to cover up a crime. 159 00:05:56,815 --> 00:05:58,567 Throw a body overboard, weigh it down, 160 00:05:58,567 --> 00:06:00,443 the likelihood of us recovering it before 161 00:06:00,443 --> 00:06:02,487 it becomes fish food is low. 162 00:06:02,487 --> 00:06:05,156 - And circumstances were suspicious. 163 00:06:05,156 --> 00:06:07,492 By all accounts, Rich was a skilled sailor, 164 00:06:07,492 --> 00:06:09,953 it was a calm day, and the only witness to his demise 165 00:06:09,953 --> 00:06:13,164 was Darla Phillips, his on again, off again 166 00:06:13,164 --> 00:06:15,208 girlfriend, who he married five days prior. 167 00:06:15,208 --> 00:06:16,876 - So you suspected foul play? 168 00:06:16,876 --> 00:06:19,588 - [screaming] 169 00:06:19,588 --> 00:06:21,923 - Not necessarily, but we couldn't rule it out. 170 00:06:21,923 --> 00:06:23,675 - Why wasn't Rich wearing a life vest? 171 00:06:23,675 --> 00:06:26,886 - He never did. He was a strong swimmer. 172 00:06:26,886 --> 00:06:29,139 He must have hit his head when he fell. 173 00:06:29,139 --> 00:06:30,891 - Why didn't you jump in after him? 174 00:06:30,891 --> 00:06:33,435 - I'm scared of dark water. - Dark water? 175 00:06:33,435 --> 00:06:35,895 - Water you can't see the bottom of. 176 00:06:35,895 --> 00:06:37,981 Just blackness 177 00:06:37,981 --> 00:06:40,317 with God knows what lurking below. 178 00:06:40,317 --> 00:06:42,903 - You stand to inherit Rich's entire police pension. 179 00:06:42,903 --> 00:06:44,321 That's quite a bit of money. 180 00:06:44,321 --> 00:06:46,239 - How dare you? 181 00:06:46,239 --> 00:06:50,619 I just watched the love of my life die in front of me. 182 00:06:50,619 --> 00:06:52,537 - We don't know that for sure yet. 183 00:06:52,537 --> 00:06:54,664 They haven't found his body. 184 00:06:54,664 --> 00:06:58,793 Unless you know more that you're not telling us. 185 00:06:58,793 --> 00:07:00,545 - Go to hell! 186 00:07:00,545 --> 00:07:02,255 This interview is over. 187 00:07:02,255 --> 00:07:04,758 - Did it ever occur to you that Rich might still be alive? 188 00:07:04,758 --> 00:07:06,676 - As we said, we couldn't rule anything out, 189 00:07:06,676 --> 00:07:10,221 but there was no evidence that he'd faked his death. 190 00:07:10,221 --> 00:07:11,848 - Until he turned up dead again. 191 00:07:11,848 --> 00:07:14,434 Needless to say, we had a few more questions for Darla. 192 00:07:14,434 --> 00:07:16,811 - Helping someone fake their death isn't a crime. 193 00:07:16,811 --> 00:07:18,229 I checked. - You're right, 194 00:07:18,229 --> 00:07:20,023 but profiting off of that death, 195 00:07:20,023 --> 00:07:21,858 collecting Rich's pension and his life insurance, 196 00:07:21,858 --> 00:07:23,818 that's fraud. 197 00:07:23,818 --> 00:07:26,112 - Not to mention the resources that were wasted 198 00:07:26,112 --> 00:07:27,364 trying to recover his body. 199 00:07:27,364 --> 00:07:29,908 You could be facing some serious charges. 200 00:07:29,908 --> 00:07:32,160 So tell us. 201 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,079 Why did Rich want to fake his death? 202 00:07:35,413 --> 00:07:39,334 - After Rich retired, he kind of fell apart. 203 00:07:39,334 --> 00:07:43,254 His drinking got worse, and his paranoia. 204 00:07:43,254 --> 00:07:45,757 He was always a little intense, 205 00:07:45,757 --> 00:07:48,218 but it started to get scary. 206 00:07:48,218 --> 00:07:51,554 He covered all his windows with newspapers, 207 00:07:51,554 --> 00:07:55,225 started writing down the license plates of passing cars. 208 00:07:55,225 --> 00:07:57,143 - What was he so afraid of? 209 00:07:57,143 --> 00:07:59,896 - He said there was this group, like, 210 00:07:59,896 --> 00:08:05,068 a secret society of dangerous and powerful people. 211 00:08:05,068 --> 00:08:06,945 He'd been on to them for years. 212 00:08:06,945 --> 00:08:08,738 He said that they found out about him, 213 00:08:08,738 --> 00:08:10,907 that he was in danger because of it. 214 00:08:10,907 --> 00:08:13,868 It was too much for me, so I broke up with him. 215 00:08:13,868 --> 00:08:17,872 And then a year later, he showed up on my doorstep 216 00:08:17,872 --> 00:08:21,001 and asked me to help him fake his death 217 00:08:21,001 --> 00:08:23,586 in return for his pension. 218 00:08:23,586 --> 00:08:25,088 I needed the money. 219 00:08:25,088 --> 00:08:27,966 So we got married, and we did the deed, 220 00:08:27,966 --> 00:08:29,926 and I never saw him again. 221 00:08:29,926 --> 00:08:33,847 - So you have no idea why there was a coffin in his garage? 222 00:08:33,847 --> 00:08:35,347 - We'll probably hold this piece of the puzzle 223 00:08:35,347 --> 00:08:37,100 until the end of the first act, you know, 224 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:38,308 hit the audience with a twist when 225 00:08:38,308 --> 00:08:40,311 it's dramatically expedient. - Yeah. 226 00:08:40,311 --> 00:08:41,479 - Seems manipulative. 227 00:08:41,479 --> 00:08:42,981 - All good storytelling is, so. 228 00:08:42,981 --> 00:08:45,608 - Just tell us about finding the coffin. 229 00:08:45,608 --> 00:08:49,487 - So once I arrived, and we secured the crime scene, 230 00:08:49,487 --> 00:08:51,281 we cleared the rest of the house, 231 00:08:51,281 --> 00:08:52,115 and then we moved on to the garage. 232 00:08:56,619 --> 00:08:57,620 - Oh. 233 00:08:57,620 --> 00:08:59,539 Oh, you don't think there's-- 234 00:08:59,539 --> 00:09:02,834 - That there's a body in there? I absolutely do. 235 00:09:02,834 --> 00:09:06,463 - OK, are we gonna open it? 'Cause I don't wanna open it. 236 00:09:06,463 --> 00:09:07,922 - What do you think? 237 00:09:07,922 --> 00:09:10,300 - I mean, it's clearly been dug up. 238 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:12,469 Given the state of the coffin, it's clearly been 239 00:09:12,469 --> 00:09:13,928 underground for a few years. 240 00:09:13,928 --> 00:09:16,681 If there is a body in there, it's likely long dead. 241 00:09:16,681 --> 00:09:19,309 - Unless-- - Unless what? 242 00:09:19,309 --> 00:09:22,270 - Unless he put a fresh victim in an old coffin. 243 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:24,731 [suspenseful music] 244 00:09:24,731 --> 00:09:26,649 OK, got it. 245 00:09:26,649 --> 00:09:28,068 - Got it? - Yep. 246 00:09:28,068 --> 00:09:30,236 - Oh. Oh, God. 247 00:09:30,236 --> 00:09:33,073 [dramatic music] 248 00:09:37,494 --> 00:09:38,912 - The body belonged to a 54-year-old truck driver 249 00:09:38,912 --> 00:09:40,914 named Marcus Ford, 250 00:09:40,914 --> 00:09:42,749 who was the victim of an unsolved homicide 251 00:09:42,749 --> 00:09:44,334 back in 2020. 252 00:09:44,334 --> 00:09:45,376 - How was he killed? 253 00:09:45,376 --> 00:09:47,378 - Uh, he was stabbed in the heart. 254 00:09:47,378 --> 00:09:49,547 - Just like Rich. 255 00:09:49,547 --> 00:09:52,175 Wait, Rich murdered Marcus Ford. 256 00:09:52,175 --> 00:09:54,135 Did I just solve the case? - No. 257 00:09:54,135 --> 00:09:58,014 We were able to alibi Rich out. 258 00:09:58,014 --> 00:10:00,266 He was hospitalized with double pneumonia the day Marcus died. 259 00:10:00,266 --> 00:10:02,477 Medical records say he was so weak that, 260 00:10:02,477 --> 00:10:04,145 uh, he could barely get out of bed. 261 00:10:04,145 --> 00:10:05,688 - Or that's what he wanted you to think. 262 00:10:05,688 --> 00:10:06,981 - Moving on. 263 00:10:06,981 --> 00:10:08,358 Digging up a body's no easy task. 264 00:10:08,358 --> 00:10:10,068 Why would Rich go to all that trouble? 265 00:10:10,068 --> 00:10:12,403 - Initially, we thought it was simply 266 00:10:12,403 --> 00:10:15,824 the demented act of a clearly disturbed mind, 267 00:10:15,824 --> 00:10:17,659 and in some ways, it was. 268 00:10:17,659 --> 00:10:20,161 But then we found the tattoo. 269 00:10:20,161 --> 00:10:21,996 - At first, it was a little bit difficult 270 00:10:21,996 --> 00:10:23,915 to make out exactly what it was. 271 00:10:23,915 --> 00:10:27,335 A half a decade of decomp does a number on the skin. 272 00:10:27,335 --> 00:10:29,921 - But when we look back at the case file, 273 00:10:29,921 --> 00:10:32,298 there was a photo of it taken during the original autopsy. 274 00:10:32,298 --> 00:10:33,675 - That's actually kind of sick. 275 00:10:33,675 --> 00:10:35,802 I wonder if there's a way to track down the artist. 276 00:10:35,802 --> 00:10:36,970 I've been meaning to start the sleeve 277 00:10:36,970 --> 00:10:38,847 on my other arm, like a-- 278 00:10:38,847 --> 00:10:40,348 - To my collaborator's point, 279 00:10:40,348 --> 00:10:42,433 lots of people have tattoos. 280 00:10:42,433 --> 00:10:44,727 What was it about this one that jumped out at you? 281 00:10:44,727 --> 00:10:47,981 - Well, something about it was familiar to both of us, 282 00:10:47,981 --> 00:10:49,816 but we couldn't place it. 283 00:10:49,816 --> 00:10:53,278 So we started asking around, and the answer couldn't come 284 00:10:53,278 --> 00:10:56,197 from a more unlikely place. 285 00:10:56,197 --> 00:10:58,074 - I watched the Rich Rowley training videos 286 00:10:58,074 --> 00:11:00,535 more than any person alive, 287 00:11:00,535 --> 00:11:04,080 so I recognized the symbol immediately. 288 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,291 - Sometimes, citizens panic when 289 00:11:06,291 --> 00:11:08,960 they can't get in touch with their friends or loved ones. 290 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,004 That is why we always advise the public 291 00:11:11,004 --> 00:11:14,424 to wait 24 hours before reporting someone missing. 292 00:11:14,424 --> 00:11:16,384 While most missing person reports stem 293 00:11:16,384 --> 00:11:18,094 from a lapse in communication, 294 00:11:18,094 --> 00:11:19,971 every once in a while, you'll encounter 295 00:11:19,971 --> 00:11:22,557 a true, workable case. 296 00:11:22,557 --> 00:11:25,351 - Officer, help. My sister is missing. 297 00:11:25,351 --> 00:11:26,811 - When's the last time you saw her? 298 00:11:26,811 --> 00:11:28,479 - Last night at the bar. 299 00:11:28,479 --> 00:11:30,857 Her boyfriend said she never made it home. 300 00:11:30,857 --> 00:11:34,694 - You always wanna take a report like this one seriously. 301 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:37,280 - So Rich hid the same symbol in his training videos 302 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,657 that was tattooed on the body of a murder victim. 303 00:11:39,657 --> 00:11:41,868 What did you think that meant? 304 00:11:41,868 --> 00:11:44,120 - Uh, I don't know. 305 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:44,871 - I can't believe I'm saying this, 306 00:11:44,871 --> 00:11:46,080 but Smitty was right. 307 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,082 In lesson 187, the tattoo symbol 308 00:11:48,082 --> 00:11:49,959 was hidden in the background, 309 00:11:49,959 --> 00:11:51,669 although the instructions 310 00:11:51,669 --> 00:11:53,963 to wait 24 hours before reporting a missing person 311 00:11:53,963 --> 00:11:55,882 are wildly outdated. 312 00:11:55,882 --> 00:11:57,634 Anyways, it got me thinking. 313 00:11:57,634 --> 00:12:00,803 What if Rich put messages in other videos? 314 00:12:00,803 --> 00:12:02,055 - What kind of messages? 315 00:12:02,055 --> 00:12:03,514 - I'm not totally sure yet. 316 00:12:03,514 --> 00:12:05,558 I binged every single Rich training video 317 00:12:05,558 --> 00:12:06,559 I could get my hands on. 318 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,102 - Yeah, it's been a fun few nights. 319 00:12:08,102 --> 00:12:10,021 - And I did find a few other possible leads, 320 00:12:10,021 --> 00:12:11,356 but there's a problem. 321 00:12:11,356 --> 00:12:12,649 The department's archive is incomplete, 322 00:12:12,649 --> 00:12:14,067 and without all of the videos, 323 00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:15,234 I can't be sure that I'm not missing 324 00:12:15,234 --> 00:12:16,653 a vital piece of information. 325 00:12:16,653 --> 00:12:18,529 - So what happened to the missing videos? 326 00:12:18,529 --> 00:12:20,698 - So when the training topics and the videos 327 00:12:20,698 --> 00:12:24,327 become outdated because of new laws or protocols, 328 00:12:24,327 --> 00:12:26,037 the department has to make new ones, 329 00:12:26,037 --> 00:12:28,498 and obsolete videos are supposed to be digitized 330 00:12:28,498 --> 00:12:31,709 and archived for historical record. 331 00:12:31,709 --> 00:12:34,087 But Rich's were just gone. 332 00:12:34,087 --> 00:12:35,713 - Gone as in destroyed? 333 00:12:35,713 --> 00:12:38,341 - Like a cover-up? - No one's saying that. 334 00:12:38,341 --> 00:12:40,551 Most likely, it was a human error. 335 00:12:40,551 --> 00:12:43,179 You know, someone got lazy, didn't archive them. 336 00:12:43,179 --> 00:12:45,014 - I tried reaching out to the production company 337 00:12:45,014 --> 00:12:48,184 that made the videos to see if they had any copies left. 338 00:12:48,184 --> 00:12:51,229 Bad news is they went out of business a few years back 339 00:12:51,229 --> 00:12:53,106 and auctioned off all their equipment. 340 00:12:53,106 --> 00:12:55,191 - What's the good news? 341 00:12:55,191 --> 00:12:58,486 - Well, I managed to track down the auction logs, 342 00:12:58,486 --> 00:13:00,488 and I actually know the person who purchased 343 00:13:00,488 --> 00:13:02,949 the studio's old hard drives. 344 00:13:02,949 --> 00:13:06,202 - Careful, I'm very ticklish, like the Pillsbury Doughboy. 345 00:13:06,202 --> 00:13:07,203 - Same. 346 00:13:07,203 --> 00:13:09,247 I hear it's a sign of intelligence. 347 00:13:09,247 --> 00:13:10,540 - Is that a fact? - Yep. 348 00:13:10,540 --> 00:13:13,167 - Then I am smart as the dickens. 349 00:13:13,167 --> 00:13:14,919 - So you purchased hard drives 350 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:16,754 from Speak Now Studios? 351 00:13:16,754 --> 00:13:18,840 - Yeah. Dropout was still in its infancy. 352 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,134 I was building the company from the ground up. 353 00:13:21,134 --> 00:13:23,386 We had to be smart about how we were spending our money. 354 00:13:23,386 --> 00:13:26,055 We bought a huge amount of equipment secondhand-- 355 00:13:26,055 --> 00:13:27,974 hard drives, cameras, wigs. 356 00:13:27,974 --> 00:13:31,019 - Wait, you bought second-hand wigs? 357 00:13:31,019 --> 00:13:32,311 - Give them a little shake before we put them on. 358 00:13:32,311 --> 00:13:33,771 - That's awesome. 359 00:13:33,771 --> 00:13:35,023 Do you still have that wig connect? 360 00:13:35,023 --> 00:13:37,650 'Cause I'd love a referral. My guy is-- 361 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:39,527 - Back on track. 362 00:13:39,527 --> 00:13:41,779 The hard drives you bought contain police training videos. 363 00:13:41,779 --> 00:13:43,364 Did you happen to watch any of them? 364 00:13:43,364 --> 00:13:45,366 - Of course. Rich Rowley, right? 365 00:13:45,366 --> 00:13:47,368 We were obsessed with those videos. 366 00:13:47,368 --> 00:13:50,079 We probably watched them, like, a dozen times. 367 00:13:50,079 --> 00:13:52,749 I'm Rich Rowley, and this is "Survive the Streets." 368 00:13:52,749 --> 00:13:54,375 - Oh, that's great. 369 00:13:54,375 --> 00:13:55,752 - Vic can do the best impression. 370 00:13:55,752 --> 00:13:57,670 - Do you think you'd be able to make copies for us? 371 00:13:57,670 --> 00:14:00,048 - I totally would, 372 00:14:00,048 --> 00:14:01,340 but I can't because 373 00:14:01,340 --> 00:14:03,051 we wiped all of those hard drives 374 00:14:03,051 --> 00:14:04,635 to use as servers months ago. 375 00:14:04,635 --> 00:14:06,512 Sorry I couldn't be of more help. 376 00:14:06,512 --> 00:14:10,349 You'll still feature this interview, right? 377 00:14:10,349 --> 00:14:11,934 - Yeah. - Yeah, probably not. 378 00:14:11,934 --> 00:14:13,728 - Wait, you said you and the Dropout crew 379 00:14:13,728 --> 00:14:16,481 watched the video, like, dozens of times, right? 380 00:14:16,481 --> 00:14:18,608 - Yes, sometimes on an edible, mostly sober. 381 00:14:18,608 --> 00:14:20,526 - I have an idea. 382 00:14:20,526 --> 00:14:21,986 - OK, so then he'd be like, don't forget to check 383 00:14:21,986 --> 00:14:23,488 the closet or you'll die. So I don't know. 384 00:14:23,488 --> 00:14:25,198 - I think it's a little bit more like, 385 00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:26,991 like, if you forget to check the closet, 386 00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:29,702 Freddy, Jason, and Chucky will rip off your scrote! 387 00:14:29,702 --> 00:14:31,454 - OK, I think there's less foot stuff. 388 00:14:31,454 --> 00:14:33,039 I feel like he's like-- 389 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:35,041 and then your crazy methy ex-girlfriend 390 00:14:35,041 --> 00:14:37,251 who's been hiding in the hallway closet 391 00:14:37,251 --> 00:14:39,128 will chainsaw your face when you get home 392 00:14:39,128 --> 00:14:41,005 because you forgot to clear the room! 393 00:14:41,005 --> 00:14:42,006 - Clear the room! - Clear the room! 394 00:14:42,006 --> 00:14:43,591 - Check the room. 395 00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:45,551 - I think he was so close to pulling out his gun-- 396 00:14:45,551 --> 00:14:47,303 - What are you guys doing? - That's a great question. 397 00:14:47,303 --> 00:14:48,930 - They're reenacting the police training videos 398 00:14:48,930 --> 00:14:50,264 since you guys wiped them off your hard drive. 399 00:14:50,264 --> 00:14:51,933 - Oh, the Rich Rowley ones. 400 00:14:51,933 --> 00:14:53,434 Those are so funny. - Right. 401 00:14:53,434 --> 00:14:54,936 - I actually stole one of the hard drives 402 00:14:54,936 --> 00:14:56,145 so I could watch it when I'm in the tub. 403 00:14:56,145 --> 00:14:57,313 - You talking about your tub again? 404 00:14:57,313 --> 00:14:58,481 - Say what? - A little self-care. 405 00:14:58,481 --> 00:15:00,233 You know, trying to relax a little more. 406 00:15:00,233 --> 00:15:02,318 It's not working. - Can we have it? 407 00:15:02,318 --> 00:15:03,945 - If you want to borrow it, I could, you know. 408 00:15:03,945 --> 00:15:05,405 - No, I think this is actually working great. 409 00:15:05,405 --> 00:15:07,907 - I mean, you could. OK. - Keep this up. 410 00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:08,783 - Riffing. - Clearing the room. 411 00:15:08,783 --> 00:15:10,118 - Help us. 412 00:15:10,118 --> 00:15:11,369 - OK, I finally finished watching 413 00:15:11,369 --> 00:15:12,954 all of the Rich training videos, 414 00:15:12,954 --> 00:15:14,413 and there is a lot. 415 00:15:14,413 --> 00:15:17,500 Um, take lesson 277-- 416 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:20,753 - [screaming] 417 00:15:20,753 --> 00:15:22,505 My azaleas! 418 00:15:22,505 --> 00:15:26,134 - A cold case where victim Azalea Robinson was found 419 00:15:26,134 --> 00:15:27,969 stabbed near a ski resort. 420 00:15:27,969 --> 00:15:29,345 - You're kidding. - No. 421 00:15:29,345 --> 00:15:32,348 And in lesson 290, Rich is holding a folder 422 00:15:32,348 --> 00:15:34,142 with a Post-It note on the back with a brown star 423 00:15:34,142 --> 00:15:35,476 drawn on it. - I'm lost. 424 00:15:35,476 --> 00:15:38,229 - Right, so I looked up the cold cases 425 00:15:38,229 --> 00:15:39,939 to see if there were any victims with names 426 00:15:39,939 --> 00:15:41,858 like Star or Stella, 427 00:15:41,858 --> 00:15:43,359 and there was one hit, 428 00:15:43,359 --> 00:15:44,861 Stella Brown, 429 00:15:44,861 --> 00:15:47,155 also found stabbed in the chest. 430 00:15:47,155 --> 00:15:49,115 - In all, Lucy found clues pointing 431 00:15:49,115 --> 00:15:51,534 to seven different cold cases. 432 00:15:51,534 --> 00:15:53,536 - But why was Rich hiding the names of murder victims 433 00:15:53,536 --> 00:15:55,371 in police training videos? 434 00:15:55,371 --> 00:15:56,622 - Based on what we could piece together, 435 00:15:56,622 --> 00:15:58,916 he believed he had stumbled upon a conspiracy-- 436 00:15:58,916 --> 00:16:01,252 a series of connected murders committed by person 437 00:16:01,252 --> 00:16:02,879 or persons unknown. 438 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:04,672 - If that were the case, why not just report 439 00:16:04,672 --> 00:16:07,049 his suspicion? He was a cop for 30 years. 440 00:16:07,049 --> 00:16:09,552 - Well, Rich had a bit of a reputation 441 00:16:09,552 --> 00:16:14,098 within the department for, shall we say, magical thinking. 442 00:16:14,098 --> 00:16:17,935 So unfortunately, his theory was dismissed out of hand. 443 00:16:17,935 --> 00:16:19,896 - But why did he think the murders were connected? 444 00:16:19,896 --> 00:16:21,397 - Well, for starters, they were all stabbed 445 00:16:21,397 --> 00:16:23,524 in the chest, but more importantly, 446 00:16:23,524 --> 00:16:25,151 each victim was found with a penny 447 00:16:25,151 --> 00:16:26,611 either in or on their person. 448 00:16:26,611 --> 00:16:27,945 - What do you mean "in"? 449 00:16:27,945 --> 00:16:30,072 - One had a penny in her stomach. 450 00:16:30,072 --> 00:16:32,241 Another had one shoved up his nose. 451 00:16:32,241 --> 00:16:33,576 Stella Brown lucked out. 452 00:16:33,576 --> 00:16:35,494 Hers was just clasped in her hand. 453 00:16:35,494 --> 00:16:37,997 - And when we re-examined Marcus Ford's corpse, 454 00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:41,375 the ME found one inserted into the heel of his left foot. 455 00:16:41,375 --> 00:16:43,085 - Why? 456 00:16:43,085 --> 00:16:45,379 - Did we mention that they were all minted in 1930? 457 00:16:45,379 --> 00:16:47,632 - OK. Well, I just got goosebumps. 458 00:16:47,632 --> 00:16:49,842 - Rich's autopsy also revealed that he had swallowed 459 00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:51,969 close to 50 pennies before he died. 460 00:16:51,969 --> 00:16:53,221 - Gross. 461 00:16:53,221 --> 00:16:54,931 So at this point, was your theory-- 462 00:16:54,931 --> 00:16:56,807 I actually have no idea what their theory would have been. 463 00:16:56,807 --> 00:16:59,477 - Yeah, well, I would tell you, but we were way off the mark, 464 00:16:59,477 --> 00:17:01,687 which we were about to discover 465 00:17:01,687 --> 00:17:04,482 when we got access to his cloud account. 466 00:17:04,482 --> 00:17:07,108 - OK. 467 00:17:07,108 --> 00:17:09,694 I may have finally found it. [laughs] 468 00:17:09,694 --> 00:17:12,448 I am so close to getting some real answers. 469 00:17:12,448 --> 00:17:14,659 [eerie music] 470 00:17:14,659 --> 00:17:16,786 See that? 471 00:17:20,790 --> 00:17:23,834 [straining] 472 00:17:23,834 --> 00:17:30,591 ♪ ♪ 473 00:17:30,591 --> 00:17:33,094 Oh, whoa. 474 00:17:33,094 --> 00:17:34,095 Ha! 475 00:17:34,095 --> 00:17:36,097 [indistinct shouting] 476 00:17:36,097 --> 00:17:38,140 Oh, my God. No! No. 477 00:17:38,140 --> 00:17:40,685 [people shouting indistinctly] 478 00:17:40,685 --> 00:17:43,104 - For a guy pretending to be dead, 479 00:17:43,104 --> 00:17:44,981 breaking into a secure military facility 480 00:17:44,981 --> 00:17:47,024 doesn't seem like the best idea. 481 00:17:47,024 --> 00:17:50,695 - Well, he wasn't just breaking into any military facility. 482 00:17:50,695 --> 00:17:52,154 It was Area 67. 483 00:17:52,154 --> 00:17:53,447 - What does that mean? 484 00:17:53,447 --> 00:17:56,158 - That's where the government keeps the aliens. 485 00:17:56,158 --> 00:17:59,954 ♪ ♪ 486 00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:05,293 - So Rich broke into a secret government base 487 00:18:05,293 --> 00:18:07,169 on the hunt for a massive conspiracy, 488 00:18:07,169 --> 00:18:08,671 then stabbed himself in the chest? 489 00:18:08,671 --> 00:18:10,256 I mean, at that point, it's obvious what happened. 490 00:18:10,256 --> 00:18:12,174 - Is it? - Come on. 491 00:18:12,174 --> 00:18:14,260 Remember what Rich said right before he died? 492 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:15,845 - I can't die. 493 00:18:15,845 --> 00:18:16,804 It's inside of me. 494 00:18:16,804 --> 00:18:18,556 It won't let me die. 495 00:18:18,556 --> 00:18:19,974 - Yeah, I'm not following. 496 00:18:19,974 --> 00:18:22,727 - Rich was exposed to an alien parasite. 497 00:18:22,727 --> 00:18:25,271 It was inside him. 498 00:18:25,271 --> 00:18:27,815 - Were you familiar with Area 67? 499 00:18:27,815 --> 00:18:29,608 - I'd heard of it. Yeah. 500 00:18:29,608 --> 00:18:32,320 There's this AM radio station I used to listen to 501 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,946 back in Foxburg. 502 00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:35,573 Kept me awake when I was working late. 503 00:18:35,573 --> 00:18:38,409 The host was obsessed with UFOs. 504 00:18:38,409 --> 00:18:40,620 - "Val's Velvet Bunker"? - That's the one. 505 00:18:40,620 --> 00:18:43,914 He was a little bit out there, but always entertaining. 506 00:18:43,914 --> 00:18:47,293 - Area 51 is theater. 507 00:18:47,293 --> 00:18:49,003 Do you believe? 508 00:18:49,003 --> 00:18:51,839 Do you really believe the most secretive 509 00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:54,467 military installation in the world would let itself 510 00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:56,469 become a tourist attraction? 511 00:18:56,469 --> 00:18:57,762 No, no, no, no. 512 00:18:57,762 --> 00:19:00,431 Area 51 is the distraction. 513 00:19:00,431 --> 00:19:03,392 Area 67 is the real deal. 514 00:19:03,392 --> 00:19:05,936 You know why California has all those earthquakes? 515 00:19:05,936 --> 00:19:08,689 It's not the San Andreas Fault, my friends. 516 00:19:08,689 --> 00:19:11,859 It's the sonic resonance from Area 67's 517 00:19:11,859 --> 00:19:13,694 underground testing chambers. 518 00:19:13,694 --> 00:19:15,613 - Did you believe in his theories? 519 00:19:15,613 --> 00:19:17,031 - No, no. 520 00:19:17,031 --> 00:19:18,824 Like I said, just entertainment. 521 00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:19,784 - Let's hear from a caller. 522 00:19:19,784 --> 00:19:21,535 - Hi, name's John. 523 00:19:21,535 --> 00:19:22,703 Longtime listener, fourth-time caller. 524 00:19:22,703 --> 00:19:25,373 - Hey, John from Foxburg. Welcome back. 525 00:19:25,373 --> 00:19:26,499 What have you got for us tonight? 526 00:19:26,499 --> 00:19:29,085 - I swear to God I just saw a UFO. 527 00:19:31,379 --> 00:19:34,465 John is such a common name. 528 00:19:34,465 --> 00:19:37,093 - I'm open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life. 529 00:19:37,093 --> 00:19:38,386 - You are? - Yeah. 530 00:19:38,386 --> 00:19:40,012 I mean, it's a big universe. 531 00:19:40,012 --> 00:19:42,056 Anything could be out there. - I don't know. 532 00:19:42,056 --> 00:19:44,892 People who claim to have seen aliens tend to be a little off. 533 00:19:44,892 --> 00:19:46,685 - You were friends with a corpse, right? 534 00:19:46,685 --> 00:19:48,062 - Well, yeah, we were more than friends, 535 00:19:48,062 --> 00:19:49,689 but fair enough. OK. 536 00:19:49,689 --> 00:19:52,108 - Legally, is it necrophilia 537 00:19:52,108 --> 00:19:53,692 if she only did over the clothes stuff? 538 00:19:53,692 --> 00:19:56,195 - That's a great question. - Oh, I definitely believe. 539 00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:57,988 In fact, 540 00:19:57,988 --> 00:20:00,241 I've been abducted by aliens. 541 00:20:00,241 --> 00:20:02,618 - Really? - Multiple times. 542 00:20:02,618 --> 00:20:06,038 Apparently, I'm a fascinating subject. 543 00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:09,250 - I remember the last time Smitty was "abducted." 544 00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:10,918 Turns out he partied too hard in Vegas 545 00:20:10,918 --> 00:20:12,545 and woke up in Wisconsin. 546 00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:14,296 - Missing time, 547 00:20:14,296 --> 00:20:17,258 one of the hallmarks of alien abductions. 548 00:20:17,258 --> 00:20:19,385 - And binge drinking. - Point is, 549 00:20:19,385 --> 00:20:22,054 the government had little gray men 550 00:20:22,054 --> 00:20:24,473 in their secret labs for decades. 551 00:20:24,473 --> 00:20:26,267 - What are they doing with them? 552 00:20:26,267 --> 00:20:28,894 - They're implanting the aliens in unsuspecting hosts 553 00:20:28,894 --> 00:20:30,521 and taking over their bodies. 554 00:20:30,521 --> 00:20:34,108 You just never know who might be one of them. 555 00:20:35,735 --> 00:20:38,612 - Some people in the station believed Rich stabbed himself 556 00:20:38,612 --> 00:20:40,573 to kill an alien parasite, 557 00:20:40,573 --> 00:20:42,074 but I wouldn't say 558 00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:44,034 that was a dominant theory. 559 00:20:44,034 --> 00:20:45,578 It wasn't long before we figured out 560 00:20:45,578 --> 00:20:48,038 Rich believed something darker, 561 00:20:48,038 --> 00:20:50,458 and it was connected to the seven murders. 562 00:20:50,458 --> 00:20:52,084 - Then why did Rich break into the army base? 563 00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:54,712 - Yes, I remember the incident. 564 00:20:54,712 --> 00:20:56,172 Rich Rowley cut through a fence. 565 00:20:56,172 --> 00:20:58,340 He trespassed on government property. 566 00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:01,051 He was promptly apprehended and sent on his way. 567 00:21:01,051 --> 00:21:03,596 - Do you have any idea what Rich was looking for? 568 00:21:03,596 --> 00:21:06,390 - Uh, as it turns out, he was looking for me. 569 00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:09,602 But not because of any alleged aliens. 570 00:21:09,602 --> 00:21:12,021 - So why did he come? 571 00:21:12,021 --> 00:21:14,982 - Uh, this part is a-- 572 00:21:14,982 --> 00:21:17,693 is a little bit embarrassing. Um... 573 00:21:17,693 --> 00:21:19,987 before I found my calling in the military, 574 00:21:19,987 --> 00:21:22,740 I thought that I wanted to be an actor, 575 00:21:22,740 --> 00:21:25,701 and I was in a few DTV movies. 576 00:21:25,701 --> 00:21:26,827 - What's DTV? 577 00:21:26,827 --> 00:21:27,953 - You're so young. 578 00:21:27,953 --> 00:21:29,413 - Uh, direct to video. 579 00:21:29,413 --> 00:21:31,749 They made all these super cheap movies 580 00:21:31,749 --> 00:21:33,542 back in the '80s and '90s. 581 00:21:33,542 --> 00:21:35,085 You make them as cheaply as possible 582 00:21:35,085 --> 00:21:37,129 and then hope that someone was drawn in enough 583 00:21:37,129 --> 00:21:39,548 by the cover art to rent them. 584 00:21:39,548 --> 00:21:42,134 - A guy can't have a side gig? - Totally. 585 00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:43,719 How did you get into acting? 586 00:21:43,719 --> 00:21:46,263 - Some director scouted me when I pulled him over. 587 00:21:46,263 --> 00:21:49,058 He said I had a bitchin' bod. 588 00:21:49,058 --> 00:21:50,726 Well, he wasn't wrong. 589 00:21:50,726 --> 00:21:53,604 But I gave it up 'cause the people of this city 590 00:21:53,604 --> 00:21:55,689 needed a savior. - Mm. 591 00:21:55,689 --> 00:21:57,942 - Yeah, you are the model of public service. 592 00:21:57,942 --> 00:21:59,777 - Right. 593 00:21:59,777 --> 00:22:02,822 - Anyway, Rich became interested in this terrible 594 00:22:02,822 --> 00:22:06,033 B movie that I was in. I played a monk. 595 00:22:06,033 --> 00:22:08,577 It was called "300 Days of Hell." 596 00:22:08,577 --> 00:22:10,579 [metal clangs] 597 00:22:10,579 --> 00:22:12,832 - [gasps] 598 00:22:12,832 --> 00:22:14,708 - Terrible B movie, that's what he called it? 599 00:22:14,708 --> 00:22:17,086 "300 Days of Hell" is the scariest film of the 1990s. 600 00:22:17,086 --> 00:22:18,671 - Really? 601 00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:20,631 "The Ring", "Scream," "Blair Witch Project"? 602 00:22:20,631 --> 00:22:22,591 - Which one of us executive produced a horror movie? 603 00:22:22,591 --> 00:22:24,844 Trust me, "THDOH" 604 00:22:24,844 --> 00:22:26,846 is true nightmare fuel. 605 00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:28,931 - It's not that scary. 606 00:22:28,931 --> 00:22:31,475 She made me watch it at the beginning of our relationship. 607 00:22:31,475 --> 00:22:34,353 - When he was still trying to impress me. 608 00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:36,480 You wanna watch it again tonight? 609 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,233 - I would. Totally. 610 00:22:39,233 --> 00:22:42,236 I do have plans, though. 611 00:22:42,236 --> 00:22:43,821 - Yeah I'm not watching that crap, 612 00:22:43,821 --> 00:22:45,531 even if it is for a case. 613 00:22:45,531 --> 00:22:47,783 I see enough horror on the job. 614 00:22:47,783 --> 00:22:50,828 That being said, "300 Days of Hell" 615 00:22:50,828 --> 00:22:52,830 was our first real window into the rabbit hole 616 00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:54,248 that Rich had gone down. 617 00:22:54,248 --> 00:22:55,791 - A rabbit hole filled with demons-- 618 00:22:55,791 --> 00:22:58,711 or rather, a demon. 619 00:22:58,711 --> 00:23:00,421 - So Rich believed a demon had killed all those people? 620 00:23:00,421 --> 00:23:02,131 - No, the killers were definitely human. 621 00:23:02,131 --> 00:23:03,924 - Killers, plural? - Yeah. 622 00:23:03,924 --> 00:23:06,385 There was different trace DNA on all the bodies, 623 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:08,512 all from different subjects, and none of them 624 00:23:08,512 --> 00:23:10,931 were in the system. - Meaning? 625 00:23:10,931 --> 00:23:12,182 - The murders were committed by a group of people 626 00:23:12,182 --> 00:23:14,268 with shared beliefs. 627 00:23:14,268 --> 00:23:15,477 - A murder cult? 628 00:23:15,477 --> 00:23:17,938 - The cult believed a demon named Malaphus 629 00:23:17,938 --> 00:23:20,274 had been possessing people all across the city, 630 00:23:20,274 --> 00:23:24,236 jumping from host to host, and it was up to them to stop it. 631 00:23:24,236 --> 00:23:27,031 [eerie music] 632 00:23:32,786 --> 00:23:34,872 - The legend of Malaphus is centuries old. 633 00:23:34,872 --> 00:23:38,083 The first mention we see of him is 1433's 634 00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:40,294 "Lesser Grimoire of Solomon" 635 00:23:40,294 --> 00:23:43,881 by Slovenian inquisitor Terentius Bruma, 636 00:23:43,881 --> 00:23:48,010 a reference text of demons and their attributes. 637 00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:50,137 - Gnarly. - Right? 638 00:23:50,137 --> 00:23:53,140 He's also known as the Deceiver, the Infestor, 639 00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:55,726 and Demon of 300 days. Why? 640 00:23:55,726 --> 00:23:58,062 Once summoned to Earth, Malaphus won't rest 641 00:23:58,062 --> 00:23:59,855 until he finds a human host. 642 00:23:59,855 --> 00:24:02,775 After possession begins, he incubates 643 00:24:02,775 --> 00:24:04,985 300 days. 644 00:24:04,985 --> 00:24:06,528 - What happens after 300 days? 645 00:24:06,528 --> 00:24:08,322 - He reaches full strength, 646 00:24:08,322 --> 00:24:11,617 and his power becomes uncontainable. 647 00:24:11,617 --> 00:24:12,993 - Uh-oh. 648 00:24:14,370 --> 00:24:16,622 - Um, if Malaphus was summoned to Earth, 649 00:24:16,622 --> 00:24:18,248 how would one stop him? 650 00:24:18,248 --> 00:24:21,627 - Bruma suggests killing the host might slow Malaphus down, 651 00:24:21,627 --> 00:24:25,339 forcing him to regenerate before he can find a new host, 652 00:24:25,339 --> 00:24:28,133 a process that also can be slowed 653 00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:30,636 by the use of copper. 654 00:24:30,636 --> 00:24:33,305 - It was the pennies. - The pennies. 655 00:24:33,305 --> 00:24:34,848 - It all came back to the pennies. 656 00:24:34,848 --> 00:24:38,435 - Before 1984, U.S. pennies were 95% copper. 657 00:24:38,435 --> 00:24:40,980 - So the copper in the pennies was meant to bind the demon, 658 00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:42,314 but what about the 1930 part? 659 00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:45,150 - Uh, are you familiar with numerology? 660 00:24:46,694 --> 00:24:49,405 Some ancient peoples-- and Taylor Swift-- 661 00:24:49,405 --> 00:24:52,408 believed there was a mystical connection 662 00:24:52,408 --> 00:24:55,202 between letters and numbers. 663 00:24:55,202 --> 00:24:57,371 Using the Chaldean method, the name Malaphus 664 00:24:57,371 --> 00:24:59,456 becomes a digit, 1930. 665 00:24:59,456 --> 00:25:02,000 - So you're saying-- - We had a theory. 666 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,628 Whoever killed those people believed the victims 667 00:25:04,628 --> 00:25:06,797 were possessed by Malaphus. 668 00:25:06,797 --> 00:25:10,551 They had to reach Malaphus's host before 669 00:25:10,551 --> 00:25:12,261 he reached his true form. 670 00:25:12,261 --> 00:25:13,762 A 1930 penny was the perfect tool. 671 00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:16,348 - Yeah, Rich's talk of, "it's inside me, 672 00:25:16,348 --> 00:25:18,684 it won't let me die," he thought he was infested 673 00:25:18,684 --> 00:25:20,102 by this demon, too, 674 00:25:20,102 --> 00:25:21,645 and that's why he killed himself. 675 00:25:21,645 --> 00:25:23,147 - Wait. 676 00:25:23,147 --> 00:25:24,565 I thought Rich didn't believe in Malaphus. 677 00:25:24,565 --> 00:25:26,859 Isn't that why he was trying to stop the cult? 678 00:25:26,859 --> 00:25:29,111 - Well, yes, but, I mean, years of obsession and paranoia 679 00:25:29,111 --> 00:25:31,071 can do a number on a person's psyche. 680 00:25:31,071 --> 00:25:32,197 I mean, it seems as though, in the end, 681 00:25:32,197 --> 00:25:33,866 Rich could no longer distinguish 682 00:25:33,866 --> 00:25:35,492 fantasy from reality. 683 00:25:35,492 --> 00:25:37,244 - And you got this theory from Rich's files? 684 00:25:37,244 --> 00:25:39,288 - Well, I mean, we actually got it from Lopez. 685 00:25:39,288 --> 00:25:41,874 - And they say watching old horror movies 686 00:25:41,874 --> 00:25:44,168 isn't a good use of time. 687 00:25:44,168 --> 00:25:46,420 - I never said that. 688 00:25:46,420 --> 00:25:49,423 [eerie music] 689 00:25:49,423 --> 00:25:53,635 ♪ ♪ 690 00:25:53,635 --> 00:25:55,846 - Are we safe, brother? 691 00:25:55,846 --> 00:25:57,848 Is Malaphus banished? 692 00:25:57,848 --> 00:25:59,600 - His sigil is drawn. 693 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,518 The rite is spoken. 694 00:26:01,518 --> 00:26:05,522 We have sealed his last human vessel with copper. 695 00:26:05,522 --> 00:26:08,484 [eerie choral music] 696 00:26:08,484 --> 00:26:11,945 ♪ ♪ 697 00:26:11,945 --> 00:26:13,739 - Heaven forgive us. 698 00:26:13,739 --> 00:26:15,699 - Indeed. 699 00:26:15,699 --> 00:26:17,743 For hell will not. 700 00:26:17,743 --> 00:26:18,911 [bell tolling] 701 00:26:18,911 --> 00:26:21,121 - Midnight, 702 00:26:21,121 --> 00:26:24,166 the 300th day. 703 00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:26,794 Our task was done none too soon. 704 00:26:26,794 --> 00:26:30,714 - [coughing] 705 00:26:30,714 --> 00:26:32,549 ♪ ♪ 706 00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:35,803 [retching] 707 00:26:35,803 --> 00:26:39,181 ♪ ♪ 708 00:26:39,181 --> 00:26:41,975 [suspenseful music] 709 00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:44,394 ♪ ♪ 710 00:26:44,394 --> 00:26:47,689 - [screaming] 711 00:26:47,689 --> 00:26:53,070 ♪ ♪ 712 00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:55,114 [liquid pouring] - Yeah, that was me. 713 00:26:57,491 --> 00:26:59,284 Do you guys want a glass? - No, I'm good. 714 00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:01,787 - Oh, you got anything stronger? 715 00:27:01,787 --> 00:27:04,331 Fine. I'll just take a glass. 716 00:27:04,331 --> 00:27:06,375 OK, I'll, just-- I'll have nothing, actually. 717 00:27:06,375 --> 00:27:08,168 No fun for me. 718 00:27:08,168 --> 00:27:11,964 - Yeah, that was my first big movie role. 719 00:27:11,964 --> 00:27:15,634 Well, my only one, really. 720 00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:18,512 Rich was so excited when I told him I booked it. 721 00:27:18,512 --> 00:27:20,472 He helped me run lines. 722 00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:22,057 - Did Rich buy in to the Malaphus mythology? 723 00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:23,725 - No. 724 00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:25,727 Weirdly, given all the conspiracies that Rich 725 00:27:25,727 --> 00:27:28,897 believed in, he was a total atheist. 726 00:27:28,897 --> 00:27:30,816 But I wouldn't have blamed him after everything 727 00:27:30,816 --> 00:27:32,359 that happened on that shoot. 728 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,069 - Like what? 729 00:27:35,362 --> 00:27:37,281 - Before production wrapped, 730 00:27:37,281 --> 00:27:39,283 the DP was paralyzed driving to set. 731 00:27:39,283 --> 00:27:41,827 A stunt person had his leg amputated. 732 00:27:41,827 --> 00:27:43,704 There were divorces, bankruptcies. 733 00:27:43,704 --> 00:27:45,247 Careers ended. 734 00:27:45,247 --> 00:27:49,293 One of the actors even died in his hotel room. 735 00:27:49,293 --> 00:27:51,253 People say the production was cursed. 736 00:27:51,253 --> 00:27:53,672 - What about you? What do you believe? 737 00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:57,968 - I believe the real curse was the director. 738 00:27:57,968 --> 00:28:00,888 He was a reckless maniac that didn't know how to run a set. 739 00:28:00,888 --> 00:28:03,473 - Cut. Cut! 740 00:28:03,473 --> 00:28:05,851 Arthur! Arthur! 741 00:28:05,851 --> 00:28:09,730 Your strangulation, it has to be real. 742 00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:11,899 I wanna feel the life draining from him. 743 00:28:11,899 --> 00:28:15,611 You, you--you cannot move from your position, 744 00:28:15,611 --> 00:28:17,321 Not even an inch. 745 00:28:17,321 --> 00:28:21,575 Guys, this ritual is extremely specific. 746 00:28:21,575 --> 00:28:23,660 OK? Let's go again. 747 00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:25,245 - OK, I thought I was choking you pretty well. 748 00:28:25,245 --> 00:28:26,705 I'm sorry. 749 00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:27,539 OK, I'm gonna choke you a little harder. 750 00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:29,333 Ready? 751 00:28:29,333 --> 00:28:31,335 - Douglas was real touchy about the religious stuff. 752 00:28:31,335 --> 00:28:33,629 I guess he had grown up in some sort of commune, 753 00:28:33,629 --> 00:28:36,548 and this was all based on stories he was told growing up. 754 00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:38,967 - OK, but what I heard is that they accidentally 755 00:28:38,967 --> 00:28:40,886 summoned Malaphus for real. 756 00:28:40,886 --> 00:28:42,596 The director found some ancient tome 757 00:28:42,596 --> 00:28:45,974 and inserted the incantation and rituals verbatim. 758 00:28:45,974 --> 00:28:47,351 - Ooh, I love that. 759 00:28:47,351 --> 00:28:48,852 - And that's what got me thinking 760 00:28:48,852 --> 00:28:50,562 about the penny killings. 761 00:28:50,562 --> 00:28:53,482 We found the first victim just a little under 300 days 762 00:28:53,482 --> 00:28:55,525 after the summoning ritual was filmed. 763 00:28:55,525 --> 00:28:57,819 We knew Rich was aware of the Malaphus legends. 764 00:28:57,819 --> 00:28:59,738 It was only natural to link them. 765 00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:01,865 - So Rich thought the penny victims were killed by people 766 00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:03,659 trying to stop Malaphus. 767 00:29:03,659 --> 00:29:05,953 Was he able to identify any of these killers? 768 00:29:05,953 --> 00:29:07,162 - We know he tried. 769 00:29:08,538 --> 00:29:10,207 - Hi. - Hey. How are you? 770 00:29:10,207 --> 00:29:12,584 Jared. - Hello. Wow. 771 00:29:12,584 --> 00:29:15,212 Um, it's a--it's a pleasure to meet you, gentlemen. 772 00:29:15,212 --> 00:29:16,630 - Pleasure to meet you too. 773 00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:18,131 - Why don't you tell us about yourselves? 774 00:29:18,131 --> 00:29:22,761 - Yeah, we, uh, co-starred on a TV show together 775 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,138 for 15 seasons 776 00:29:25,138 --> 00:29:26,890 called "Supernatural." 777 00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:29,059 - Yeah, we played Sam and Dean Winchester, 778 00:29:29,059 --> 00:29:32,896 brothers that, you know, tracked and fought 779 00:29:32,896 --> 00:29:34,856 supernatural beings. 780 00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:36,525 - Like "K-Pop Demon Hunters." - No. 781 00:29:36,525 --> 00:29:37,818 No, not like that. 782 00:29:37,818 --> 00:29:39,653 - I mean, kind of like that. 783 00:29:39,653 --> 00:29:40,862 - No. - Yeah. 784 00:29:40,862 --> 00:29:43,198 - OK, can you tell us about your encounter 785 00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:44,992 with Rich Rowley? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 786 00:29:44,992 --> 00:29:46,702 Rich Rowley. 787 00:29:46,702 --> 00:29:51,373 He came to a fan event we did last year at MonsterCon. 788 00:29:51,373 --> 00:29:52,833 - Yeah, you know, most people show up, 789 00:29:52,833 --> 00:29:57,045 and they just want an autograph or a photo. 790 00:29:57,045 --> 00:30:00,632 But Rich was a bit of a different beast altogether. 791 00:30:00,632 --> 00:30:02,843 - Yeah, yeah, he was--he was super 792 00:30:02,843 --> 00:30:05,012 fixated on this one particular episode 793 00:30:05,012 --> 00:30:07,389 where we fought a demon. - Malaphus. 794 00:30:07,389 --> 00:30:09,558 - Yeah, uh, that one. 795 00:30:09,558 --> 00:30:14,104 Anyway he seemed to think we, like, knew more 796 00:30:14,104 --> 00:30:15,939 about it than we were saying. 797 00:30:15,939 --> 00:30:16,690 - More about what? 798 00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:18,567 - Demon hunting. 799 00:30:18,567 --> 00:30:21,653 He kept, like, asking these super pointed questions, 800 00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:23,864 like--like he was, I don't know, 801 00:30:23,864 --> 00:30:25,032 testing us or something. 802 00:30:25,032 --> 00:30:27,242 - Did you have an answer? - No. 803 00:30:27,242 --> 00:30:28,535 No, I mean, we didn't-- 804 00:30:28,535 --> 00:30:30,162 we didn't come up with these stories. 805 00:30:30,162 --> 00:30:31,830 You know, we just did what the writers wrote. 806 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:33,373 It's called acting. 807 00:30:33,373 --> 00:30:35,584 There's no actual demon hunters in real life. 808 00:30:35,584 --> 00:30:36,752 - Exactly. 809 00:30:36,752 --> 00:30:38,670 - Uh, that's not exactly true. 810 00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:40,839 There is at least one. 811 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:44,676 And it actually connected to the movie. 812 00:30:44,676 --> 00:30:46,636 We heard the director brought a priest named 813 00:30:46,636 --> 00:30:48,680 Father Simon McCabe to bless the set 814 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,015 every day before filming. 815 00:30:50,015 --> 00:30:51,641 - Well, it was either that or the whole crew 816 00:30:51,641 --> 00:30:53,226 was going to walk. 817 00:30:53,226 --> 00:30:56,355 - Does that name mean anything to you? 818 00:30:56,355 --> 00:30:57,773 - About 15 years ago. 819 00:30:57,773 --> 00:31:00,233 Lopez and I had just finished our rookie years. 820 00:31:00,233 --> 00:31:02,569 We responded to a call at a house. 821 00:31:02,569 --> 00:31:05,113 Priest doing an exorcism with a 16-year-old girl. 822 00:31:05,113 --> 00:31:06,239 Had been going on for three days. 823 00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:09,076 - Father, no. - [speaking Latin] 824 00:31:09,076 --> 00:31:11,828 - Police! - [speaking Latin] 825 00:31:11,828 --> 00:31:13,455 - Help her! 826 00:31:13,455 --> 00:31:15,665 Please! 827 00:31:15,665 --> 00:31:17,793 - [screaming] 828 00:31:17,793 --> 00:31:21,088 - [speaking Latin] 829 00:31:21,088 --> 00:31:24,466 - Get away from her! 830 00:31:24,466 --> 00:31:28,220 - Father, forgive me. 831 00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:31,014 [ominous music] 832 00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:37,729 - Did you feel like you'd seen the devil? 833 00:31:37,729 --> 00:31:38,939 - The only thing in that room that belonged in hell 834 00:31:38,939 --> 00:31:42,109 was Father Simon. - He kept saying he had to. 835 00:31:42,109 --> 00:31:44,444 The whole way to the station, "I'm sorry, I had to. 836 00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:45,946 I'm sorry, I had to." 837 00:31:45,946 --> 00:31:47,823 - Because he believed she was possessed? 838 00:31:47,823 --> 00:31:49,324 - She had a brain tumor. 839 00:31:49,324 --> 00:31:51,868 That's what they found after the autopsy. 840 00:31:51,868 --> 00:31:53,912 She needed a doctor, not an exorcism. 841 00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:56,414 And he wasn't a man of God. He was a killer. 842 00:31:56,414 --> 00:31:58,125 - The courts agreed. 843 00:31:58,125 --> 00:32:01,044 So Father Simon was convicted of first-degree murder. 844 00:32:01,044 --> 00:32:03,505 - When we processed him, we found a penny in his pocket. 845 00:32:03,505 --> 00:32:05,090 Nothing else, just a penny. 846 00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:06,424 It didn't mean anything at the time, 847 00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:08,468 but after Rich connected those seven murders, 848 00:32:08,468 --> 00:32:10,387 it seemed likely he was involved. 849 00:32:10,387 --> 00:32:12,305 - Involved like, he killed them? 850 00:32:12,305 --> 00:32:14,808 - No, Simon was already in prison when five 851 00:32:14,808 --> 00:32:17,269 of the murders took place, and his DNA didn't match 852 00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:19,312 any that was found on the corpses. 853 00:32:19,312 --> 00:32:21,481 But he could have been part of whatever group 854 00:32:21,481 --> 00:32:23,358 Rich was so afraid of. 855 00:32:23,358 --> 00:32:25,610 - Which means he knew more than he had told us. 856 00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:27,988 So we had to go back. 857 00:32:27,988 --> 00:32:30,782 - Officers, I remember you. 858 00:32:30,782 --> 00:32:32,617 You--you were the ones who tried to stop the ritual. 859 00:32:32,617 --> 00:32:34,369 - Just wish we would have gotten here sooner. 860 00:32:34,369 --> 00:32:35,912 Becca Scott might still be alive. 861 00:32:35,912 --> 00:32:38,373 - Oh, she was long gone before you arrived. 862 00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:40,792 The demon saw to that. - Malaphus? 863 00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:42,377 - Shh. 864 00:32:42,377 --> 00:32:44,671 Do not say its name in my presence. 865 00:32:44,671 --> 00:32:47,591 - What, are you afraid we might accidentally summon it? 866 00:32:47,591 --> 00:32:50,302 - You may scorn me and my beliefs, 867 00:32:50,302 --> 00:32:52,179 but I have fought this evil. 868 00:32:52,179 --> 00:32:54,347 I know enough to fear its power. 869 00:32:54,347 --> 00:32:56,892 - What's more evil than murdering a child? 870 00:32:56,892 --> 00:32:59,352 - I took no pleasure in the act. 871 00:32:59,352 --> 00:33:01,062 I'm grateful I had the courage to do what was necessary. 872 00:33:01,062 --> 00:33:02,647 - Courage? 873 00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:05,233 - Tell us about the penny that was in your pocket. 874 00:33:05,233 --> 00:33:07,235 In the movie "300 Days of Hell", 875 00:33:07,235 --> 00:33:09,321 Malaphus is sealed inside his host with copper 876 00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:11,031 before he can be killed-- 877 00:33:11,031 --> 00:33:13,116 - Uh, banished, not killed. 878 00:33:13,116 --> 00:33:14,868 - What's the difference? 879 00:33:14,868 --> 00:33:18,038 - The demon is a parasite. 880 00:33:18,038 --> 00:33:19,581 It needs a host. 881 00:33:19,581 --> 00:33:21,374 Once you kill the body that inhabits it, 882 00:33:21,374 --> 00:33:23,210 it'll find a new one. 883 00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:27,047 Becca Scott was just a single battle in a larger war. 884 00:33:27,047 --> 00:33:31,384 - If you're in here, who's doing the fighting now? 885 00:33:31,384 --> 00:33:33,678 - The Knights of Avila. 886 00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:35,680 - Los Angeles has a long history 887 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,266 of spiritualism, esoteric religions 888 00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:39,851 that go back over 100 years. 889 00:33:39,851 --> 00:33:42,729 So think Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons, 890 00:33:42,729 --> 00:33:44,731 L. Ron Hubbard. - He freaking loves this stuff. 891 00:33:44,731 --> 00:33:46,316 - I do. 892 00:33:46,316 --> 00:33:48,276 Anyway, a lot of these groups started out 893 00:33:48,276 --> 00:33:50,987 as fraternal orders, similar to the Freemasons, 894 00:33:50,987 --> 00:33:52,948 where people would gather and--and--share-- 895 00:33:52,948 --> 00:33:54,241 - Men. - Well, yeah. 896 00:33:54,241 --> 00:33:56,701 Yes, and-- and some women. 897 00:33:56,701 --> 00:33:59,829 And they would share new ideas, explore philosophies. 898 00:33:59,829 --> 00:34:02,916 - They also liked partying, doing drugs, 899 00:34:02,916 --> 00:34:05,502 and performing weird sex rituals. 900 00:34:05,502 --> 00:34:08,129 - [laughs] Sign me up. 901 00:34:08,129 --> 00:34:11,507 For the intellectual exchanging of ideas, obviously. 902 00:34:11,507 --> 00:34:12,926 - So the Knights of Avila is one of these groups? 903 00:34:12,926 --> 00:34:14,678 - It was. 904 00:34:14,678 --> 00:34:16,304 Like a lot of the similar organizations at the time, 905 00:34:16,304 --> 00:34:17,847 it fell apart when the founder died. 906 00:34:17,847 --> 00:34:18,931 It hasn't been active in-- 907 00:34:18,931 --> 00:34:20,641 60 years? 908 00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:22,561 - Then what was Father Simon talking about? 909 00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:25,563 - Based on Tim and Lopez's conversation with Father Simon, 910 00:34:25,563 --> 00:34:27,399 we began to believe that the group, 911 00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:29,859 or at least the name, 912 00:34:29,859 --> 00:34:32,362 had been revived sometime in the late '90s 913 00:34:32,362 --> 00:34:35,239 to the early 2000s and re-branded 914 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,159 as some kind of demon hunting cult. 915 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,495 - So Rich was actually right. 916 00:34:40,495 --> 00:34:42,664 There was a murderous cabal after him. 917 00:34:42,664 --> 00:34:43,956 - It seemed that way, 918 00:34:43,956 --> 00:34:46,083 and we were getting close 919 00:34:46,083 --> 00:34:48,295 to discovering who their ringleader was. 920 00:34:48,295 --> 00:34:51,214 - [screaming] - I found him. 921 00:34:51,214 --> 00:34:53,466 - Found who? - Doug Roberts. 922 00:34:53,466 --> 00:34:55,510 - I wanna feel the life draining from him! 923 00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:57,137 - Oh, you mean the director of the sad little demon porn? 924 00:34:57,137 --> 00:34:58,513 Where? 925 00:34:58,513 --> 00:35:00,098 - I was going through some old industry trades 926 00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:02,642 from around the time "THDOH" was slated to come out. 927 00:35:02,642 --> 00:35:04,853 One of the articles mentioned that Roberts 928 00:35:04,853 --> 00:35:06,021 was a client of Stewart Winecliff 929 00:35:06,021 --> 00:35:07,647 at the Golden Talent Agency. 930 00:35:07,647 --> 00:35:09,274 - The guy hasn't made a movie in 26 years. 931 00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:10,567 I doubt they still rep him. 932 00:35:10,567 --> 00:35:12,527 - Not actively, no. 933 00:35:12,527 --> 00:35:14,404 But I called their offices, and I bribed-- 934 00:35:14,404 --> 00:35:16,573 or like, I talked one of the assistants into giving me 935 00:35:16,573 --> 00:35:18,283 the address where his residual checks are sent. 936 00:35:18,283 --> 00:35:19,868 It's downtown. Let's go. 937 00:35:19,868 --> 00:35:21,578 - Uh, hold on. 938 00:35:21,578 --> 00:35:23,038 You just wanna go doorstep the guy? 939 00:35:23,038 --> 00:35:24,289 - If that means go knock on a door 940 00:35:24,289 --> 00:35:25,915 while also filming, then yes. 941 00:35:25,915 --> 00:35:28,126 - Yeah, I'm not in the business of gotcha journalism. 942 00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:31,212 - What about the business of making that paper? 943 00:35:31,212 --> 00:35:32,714 The guap? 944 00:35:32,714 --> 00:35:34,591 Money, guy. 945 00:35:34,591 --> 00:35:36,843 Come on, the doc business is over-saturated these days. 946 00:35:36,843 --> 00:35:39,387 We need footage that P-O-Ps, 947 00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:40,847 and what pops more than blindsiding 948 00:35:40,847 --> 00:35:43,350 a potential cult leader? 949 00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:44,392 Come on. 950 00:35:44,392 --> 00:35:46,019 What's the worst that could happen? 951 00:35:46,019 --> 00:35:47,562 [suspenseful music] 952 00:35:47,562 --> 00:35:50,190 This is it. - OK. 953 00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:52,025 - Um, here. Here's your camera. 954 00:35:52,025 --> 00:35:53,902 - Um, I don't operate. 955 00:35:53,902 --> 00:35:54,986 - Oh, well. 956 00:35:54,986 --> 00:35:57,781 ♪ ♪ 957 00:35:57,781 --> 00:36:01,326 [camera beeps] Now, you do. 958 00:36:01,326 --> 00:36:03,620 Let's go. 959 00:36:03,620 --> 00:36:06,206 - What floor is it on? - Eight. 960 00:36:06,206 --> 00:36:08,625 But there's an elevator. Don't worry. 961 00:36:08,625 --> 00:36:11,419 [panting] 962 00:36:14,506 --> 00:36:17,676 - Are you sure it's that way? - Yep. 963 00:36:17,676 --> 00:36:19,302 Nope. 964 00:36:19,302 --> 00:36:22,722 - You know, at the risk of being called a scaredy cat, 965 00:36:22,722 --> 00:36:24,724 you do understand that this is inherently 966 00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:27,268 neither a wise nor safe activity? 967 00:36:27,268 --> 00:36:29,479 - You're asking a woman if she understands 968 00:36:29,479 --> 00:36:33,108 that it's inherently dangerous to go anywhere or do anything? 969 00:36:33,108 --> 00:36:35,985 - When you put it that way, I sound like an ass. 970 00:36:35,985 --> 00:36:37,070 - Yeah. 971 00:36:37,070 --> 00:36:39,697 [indistinct muffled speech] 972 00:36:39,697 --> 00:36:41,241 Maybe we should come back? 973 00:36:41,241 --> 00:36:43,660 - [knocking] Hey. Hello. 974 00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:45,412 Douglas Roberts, we're here to question you 975 00:36:45,412 --> 00:36:47,622 about murders and demons. 976 00:36:47,622 --> 00:36:49,874 That should get his attention. 977 00:36:49,874 --> 00:36:51,501 Oh. 978 00:36:51,501 --> 00:36:53,878 I am just an intern. 979 00:36:58,758 --> 00:37:02,345 - So clearly we're not deceased, which means-- 980 00:37:02,345 --> 00:37:03,930 - We saved you from certain death. 981 00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:05,348 - I'm not sure how certain it was, right? 982 00:37:05,348 --> 00:37:06,975 - Oh, it felt pretty certain to me. 983 00:37:06,975 --> 00:37:08,393 - Please don't kill us. 984 00:37:08,393 --> 00:37:09,894 We will join your cult. Is there a membership fee 985 00:37:09,894 --> 00:37:11,521 or a secret handshake? 986 00:37:11,521 --> 00:37:12,772 I love a secret handshake. - Ignore her. 987 00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:14,274 She's not right in the head. 988 00:37:14,274 --> 00:37:16,067 In fact, she has short-term memory issues. 989 00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:17,861 So if you let her go now, she won't remember any of this. 990 00:37:17,861 --> 00:37:19,654 - Just shut up. No one's going anywhere. 991 00:37:19,654 --> 00:37:20,905 - I mean, technically, we're all going somewhere. 992 00:37:20,905 --> 00:37:25,493 [sirens blaring] 993 00:37:25,493 --> 00:37:27,912 - All right, let them go. Put your hands up. 994 00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:31,541 Up against the Jeep, now. Let's go. 995 00:37:31,541 --> 00:37:34,544 [dramatic music] 996 00:37:34,544 --> 00:37:36,337 ♪ ♪ 997 00:37:36,337 --> 00:37:38,590 - Oh, hey. 998 00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:41,176 Thanks for trying to save me, even though 999 00:37:41,176 --> 00:37:42,969 I'm the one who put us in danger. 1000 00:37:42,969 --> 00:37:44,679 - No problem. 1001 00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:46,681 - I was about to do the same thing, but you just 1002 00:37:46,681 --> 00:37:48,224 beat me to it. 1003 00:37:48,224 --> 00:37:50,435 I can be noble, too. - No doubt. 1004 00:37:50,435 --> 00:37:52,645 - Uh, I get very claustrophobic. 1005 00:37:52,645 --> 00:37:54,731 Can I just point out how claustrophobic I get, please? 1006 00:37:54,731 --> 00:37:57,150 - So when did you and Douglas meet? 1007 00:37:57,150 --> 00:37:58,485 - In the movie. 1008 00:37:58,485 --> 00:38:02,238 He was, you know, so commanding and driven 1009 00:38:02,238 --> 00:38:04,115 and everything I wasn't. 1010 00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:06,284 - When did he start talking about killing the demon? 1011 00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:08,578 - It was, uh, at least a year after that. 1012 00:38:08,578 --> 00:38:11,247 He would call me late at night 1013 00:38:11,247 --> 00:38:13,333 and talk about the demon and how scared 1014 00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:14,876 he was for the world, 1015 00:38:14,876 --> 00:38:17,504 and eventually it started to make sense. 1016 00:38:17,504 --> 00:38:20,673 - And he told you that someone was possessed? 1017 00:38:20,673 --> 00:38:22,634 - Correct. Her name was Cynthia. 1018 00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:24,302 Um, 1019 00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:27,180 she cried when I tied her up, and she kept saying 1020 00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:29,599 that she was not a demon. 1021 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:31,392 She begged me to believe her, and-- 1022 00:38:35,605 --> 00:38:38,817 At that point, he was very deep in my head. 1023 00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:41,236 And then tonight, you know, all the lies 1024 00:38:41,236 --> 00:38:43,404 he was spewing at the end, 1025 00:38:43,404 --> 00:38:45,240 it was like somebody turned on a light switch. 1026 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,867 I could just see him for who he was. 1027 00:38:47,867 --> 00:38:49,452 So pathetic. 1028 00:38:52,455 --> 00:38:54,999 - We'll need you to write up a detailed confession. 1029 00:38:59,712 --> 00:39:01,464 - I would like to make a deal. 1030 00:39:03,174 --> 00:39:05,760 - Uh, we have already located your co-conspirators. 1031 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,930 You don't really have anything to offer. 1032 00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:12,058 - You don't want to know what an alien spaceship looks like? 1033 00:39:12,058 --> 00:39:13,726 [eerie music] 1034 00:39:13,726 --> 00:39:17,480 - I am all that stands between the world 1035 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,065 and damnation. 1036 00:39:19,065 --> 00:39:20,942 - So all of the people that you had targeted, 1037 00:39:20,942 --> 00:39:24,737 they had to die for the greater good? 1038 00:39:24,737 --> 00:39:28,491 - Yes, and my heart breaks for each of them. 1039 00:39:28,491 --> 00:39:31,536 But I will not let innocents fall to perdition. 1040 00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:33,663 - OK, have you had your fill of BS? 1041 00:39:33,663 --> 00:39:34,831 - God, yes. 1042 00:39:34,831 --> 00:39:35,915 - OK, me, too. 1043 00:39:35,915 --> 00:39:40,295 So, uh, first victim, Cynthia Green. 1044 00:39:40,295 --> 00:39:42,547 You dated for two years before she cheated on you. 1045 00:39:42,547 --> 00:39:45,508 Marcus Ford, he worked as a teamster on your movie, 1046 00:39:45,508 --> 00:39:48,303 then later sued you for nonpayment. 1047 00:39:48,303 --> 00:39:52,557 Pamela Jones wrote a scathing review of your movie. 1048 00:39:52,557 --> 00:39:53,725 - Really? I-- 1049 00:39:53,725 --> 00:39:55,810 I had no idea. 1050 00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:59,188 - All seven victims were people who wronged you in some way. 1051 00:39:59,188 --> 00:40:01,065 You don't even believe in the demon. 1052 00:40:01,065 --> 00:40:03,109 You just used it as a tool to get people with weak minds 1053 00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:04,986 to do your dirty work for you. 1054 00:40:07,113 --> 00:40:08,907 - Exactly. 1055 00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:10,533 I was the director. 1056 00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:12,827 I think you'll find I never laid a finger 1057 00:40:12,827 --> 00:40:14,662 on any of the victims. 1058 00:40:14,662 --> 00:40:18,124 - And I think you will find that Manson died in prison. 1059 00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:20,293 ♪ ♪ 1060 00:40:20,293 --> 00:40:21,836 - All right. 1061 00:40:21,836 --> 00:40:23,338 Uh, anything else? 1062 00:40:23,338 --> 00:40:25,256 - No, I think we got everything. 1063 00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,383 - OK. 1064 00:40:27,383 --> 00:40:29,719 That was a crazy one, huh? - Tell me about it. 1065 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,888 And look, thanks so much for all of your time, 1066 00:40:31,888 --> 00:40:33,514 and for saving our lives. 1067 00:40:33,514 --> 00:40:35,058 - Anything for my favorite documentarian. 1068 00:40:35,058 --> 00:40:36,351 Actually, the only documentarian I know. 1069 00:40:36,351 --> 00:40:37,435 - Not true. 1070 00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:39,646 I'm a documentarian too. - Of course. 1071 00:40:39,646 --> 00:40:42,523 Yes--oh, speaking of, how did this whole 1072 00:40:42,523 --> 00:40:44,525 working together thing go? 1073 00:40:44,525 --> 00:40:46,778 Is this the start of a beautiful friendship? 1074 00:40:46,778 --> 00:40:48,488 - I don't know. 1075 00:40:48,488 --> 00:40:50,198 I mean, we have very different styles 1076 00:40:50,198 --> 00:40:52,700 and instincts and, well, basically everything, 1077 00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:55,161 but I'd be open to another collaboration. 1078 00:40:57,330 --> 00:41:00,416 - Oh, um, it's just I-- 1079 00:41:00,416 --> 00:41:03,544 I kind of signed an exclusive three-film deal with Hulu? 1080 00:41:03,544 --> 00:41:05,630 - What? 1081 00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:07,382 - Yeah, I--I sent them a sizzle reel of this project, 1082 00:41:07,382 --> 00:41:10,259 just the me parts, and they freaked. 1083 00:41:10,259 --> 00:41:11,969 Said I'm gonna be "the new face of true crime." 1084 00:41:11,969 --> 00:41:13,554 Their words. - Wow. 1085 00:41:13,554 --> 00:41:15,932 I mean, you'd probably be able to bring him along, 1086 00:41:15,932 --> 00:41:16,975 though, right? 1087 00:41:16,975 --> 00:41:19,894 - Oh, totally. Totally. 1088 00:41:19,894 --> 00:41:21,771 [phone buzzes] 1089 00:41:21,771 --> 00:41:25,483 I gotta go, but thanks again. Hello. 1090 00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:28,152 No, I said Toronto and then Cannes. 1091 00:41:28,152 --> 00:41:30,113 [quirky orchestral music] 1092 00:41:30,113 --> 00:41:32,115 - She'll probably call you. 1093 00:41:32,115 --> 00:41:33,116 - No. 1094 00:41:33,116 --> 00:41:34,200 ♪ ♪ 1095 00:41:38,121 --> 00:41:41,124 [upbeat music] 1096 00:41:41,124 --> 00:41:48,172 ♪ ♪ 1097 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,196 - Damn it. 81006

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