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[indistinct radio chatter]
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[eerie music]
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♪ ♪
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- 7-Adam-15, we're code 6
at the 911 call location.
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Any further contact from
the distressed individual?
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- Negative.
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Do you want me to start
additional units?
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- Uh, no. Give us a minute
to scope it out first.
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You ready?
- Do I have a choice?
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- That's the spirit.
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[owl hooting]
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LAPD.
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We've received a distress call
from this location.
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We are making entry.
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♪ ♪
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- Ooh.
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♪ ♪
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Oh.
Do you feel that?
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- Feel what?
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- Ah, something evil's
in here.
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- Well, sure smells like it.
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- [muffled]
I can't die.
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[muffled indistinct speech]
Won't let me die.
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- Police.
Show yourself.
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[door thuds]
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- I can't die.
It's inside of me.
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It won't let me die.
- Don't touch that, all right?
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Just--call this in.
Call it in.
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- I need an RA to my location
for a stabbing victim.
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- So I usually sit
right next to camera
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to keep the eyeline tight.
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- Then I'll just sit
on the other side.
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- No, because then
you'll split his look.
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- I don't think it matters.
- Oh, hey. Hi.
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Thanks--thanks again
for sitting down with me.
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- Us.
- What? Oh, right, us.
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Uh, why are you filming?
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- Oh, I just wanted to document
the new partnership.
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Abigail was very excited.
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- It's not a partnership.
- It's totally a partnership.
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The judge was very clear.
- The judge?
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- My name is Abigail Tierney.
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I'm currently trapped
inside a secret lab
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at Westview Psychiatric.
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All attempts at escape
have proven fruitless.
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- I may have inadvertently used
some of Abigail's footage
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in my last documentary without
gaining the proper permissions.
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- Translation, he stole
my intellectual property,
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I sued, and the judge
gave him a choice--
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pay me 200 thou in damages
or give me equal partnership
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in his next project.
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- He never said equal,
but you know what?
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Never mind.
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Let's focus on the story
that we're here to tell.
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Have a seat.
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Perhaps the most shocking
case of murder
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and mayhem we've ever seen.
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Would you say
that's a fair assessment?
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- Um--
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- No, no, stay--stay back.
Stay back. Stay back.
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You don't understand.
- OK, relax.
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OK, we're trying to help you.
Who stabbed you?
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- I stabbed myself.
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It's inside of me.
I've tried everything else.
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I can't kill it.
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I can't die.
See?
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- No, don't pull that--
don't pull it out!
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Oh, God.
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Oh, he died instantly.
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I mean, the wound was fatal.
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You can't stab yourself
in the heart and survive.
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But the way the knife
was lodged,
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he wasn't bleeding.
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Once he pulled it out--
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- It was blood fountain city.
- Not exactly, but--
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- As shocking as that was,
it was far from
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the most shocking thing
you found.
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- Oh, we should get him
to say that
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to set up the opening credits.
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- That's not--we--
we don't put words
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in people's mouths.
It's a documentary.
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- Yeah, it was, uh,
straight-up crazy.
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[dynamic theme music]
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- You don't think--
- There's a body in there.
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- [grunts]
- [strains]
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- May have finally found it.
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[screaming]
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- Please don't kill us.
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We will join your cult.
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- Oh.
- Oh, God.
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- You arrived on scene
as the sergeant's supervisor?
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- Yes.
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I got there before
the ambulance,
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not that there was any aid
they could have rendered.
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- Is there a reason
you didn't want us
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to interview you with Tim?
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- What?
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[chuckles]
No. We're just--
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just shaking it up.
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- Let's-- let's--
let's stay focused.
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Were you the first
to recognize the victim?
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- Uh, sort of.
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I thought I knew his face,
but it wasn't until
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we ran his prints
that we got a name.
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- Rich Rowley was retired LAPD.
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He had been with
the department for 30 years
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and was a little bit
of a legend,
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mostly because he made a series
of training videos
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from the mid-'90s
till his retirement in 2015,
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which by modern standards,
are a little cringe.
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- Hey, everybody.
Rich Rowley here
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with another installment of...
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♪ ♪
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Now, today, we're gonna
be talking about
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proper cuffing technique.
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- Excuse me, officer?
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I hurt my shoulder at the gym.
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Would you mind
cuffing me in front?
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- Pretty lady like you,
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what's the worst
that could happen?
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[handcuffs click]
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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- [grunts]
- [straining]
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- Rich was a trip.
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The life of the party,
at least early in his career.
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Then as the years went on,
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he became a little, uh, crazy.
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- Crazy how?
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- He was deep into
conspiracy theories.
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He had a real thing
for cults and cabals.
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- To be fair, Los Angeles does
have a pretty dark history.
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But Rich took it
to the next level,
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and his training videos
got more
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and more intense because of it.
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We finally got around
to updating the videos
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this last year, but that
caused quite a controversy
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with some of
the older officers.
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They said we were
being insensitive.
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- Why would updating training
videos be insensitive?
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- Even three years on,
a lot of his friends
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were still mourning his death
and saw the videos as a way
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to keep his memory alive.
- I'm sorry.
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I thought Rich died
six months ago.
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- Yeah.
- He did.
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I'm talking about
the first time.
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- Divers are searching for
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any signs of retired
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Los Angeles police officer
Richard Rowley
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after a sailing trip
gone wrong.
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Coast Guard responded
to a distress call
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this morning
from Rowley's wife,
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who says the 55-year-old
fell overboard
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after the sailboat
he was captaining
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was struck by a rogue wave.
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- Any time someone disappears
from a boating trip,
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it automatically sets off
alarm bells.
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- Why is that?
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- It's just an ideal place
to cover up a crime.
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Throw a body overboard,
weigh it down,
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the likelihood of us
recovering it before
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it becomes fish food is low.
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- And circumstances
were suspicious.
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By all accounts,
Rich was a skilled sailor,
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it was a calm day, and the
only witness to his demise
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was Darla Phillips,
his on again, off again
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girlfriend, who he married
five days prior.
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- So you suspected foul play?
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- [screaming]
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- Not necessarily,
but we couldn't rule it out.
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- Why wasn't Rich
wearing a life vest?
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- He never did.
He was a strong swimmer.
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He must have hit
his head when he fell.
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- Why didn't you
jump in after him?
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- I'm scared of dark water.
- Dark water?
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- Water you can't see
the bottom of.
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Just blackness
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with God knows what
lurking below.
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- You stand to inherit
Rich's entire police pension.
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That's quite a bit of money.
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- How dare you?
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I just watched the love of
my life die in front of me.
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- We don't know that
for sure yet.
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They haven't found his body.
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Unless you know more
that you're not telling us.
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- Go to hell!
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This interview is over.
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- Did it ever occur to you
that Rich might still be alive?
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- As we said, we couldn't
rule anything out,
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but there was no evidence
that he'd faked his death.
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- Until he turned up
dead again.
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Needless to say, we had
a few more questions for Darla.
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- Helping someone fake
their death isn't a crime.
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I checked.
- You're right,
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but profiting
off of that death,
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collecting Rich's pension
and his life insurance,
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that's fraud.
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- Not to mention the resources
that were wasted
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trying to recover his body.
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You could be facing
some serious charges.
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So tell us.
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Why did Rich want to
fake his death?
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- After Rich retired,
he kind of fell apart.
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His drinking got worse,
and his paranoia.
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He was always a little intense,
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but it started to get scary.
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He covered all his windows
with newspapers,
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started writing down the
license plates of passing cars.
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- What was he so afraid of?
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- He said there was
this group, like,
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a secret society of dangerous
and powerful people.
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He'd been on to them for years.
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He said that they found out
about him,
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that he was in danger
because of it.
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It was too much for me,
so I broke up with him.
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And then a year later,
he showed up on my doorstep
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and asked me to help him
fake his death
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in return for his pension.
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I needed the money.
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So we got married,
and we did the deed,
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and I never saw him again.
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- So you have no idea why there
was a coffin in his garage?
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- We'll probably hold
this piece of the puzzle
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until the end of the first act,
you know,
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hit the audience
with a twist when
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it's dramatically expedient.
- Yeah.
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- Seems manipulative.
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- All good storytelling is, so.
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- Just tell us about
finding the coffin.
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- So once I arrived,
and we secured the crime scene,
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we cleared
the rest of the house,
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and then we moved on
to the garage.
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- Oh.
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Oh, you don't think there's--
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- That there's a body in there?
I absolutely do.
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- OK, are we gonna open it?
'Cause I don't wanna open it.
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- What do you think?
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- I mean,
it's clearly been dug up.
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Given the state of the coffin,
it's clearly been
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underground for a few years.
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If there is a body in there,
it's likely long dead.
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- Unless--
- Unless what?
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- Unless he put a fresh victim
in an old coffin.
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[suspenseful music]
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OK, got it.
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- Got it?
- Yep.
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- Oh.
Oh, God.
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[dramatic music]
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- The body belonged to
a 54-year-old truck driver
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named Marcus Ford,
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who was the victim of
an unsolved homicide
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back in 2020.
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- How was he killed?
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- Uh, he was stabbed
in the heart.
254
00:09:47,378 --> 00:09:49,547
- Just like Rich.
255
00:09:49,547 --> 00:09:52,175
Wait, Rich murdered
Marcus Ford.
256
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Did I just solve the case?
- No.
257
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We were able to alibi Rich out.
258
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He was hospitalized with double
pneumonia the day Marcus died.
259
00:10:00,266 --> 00:10:02,477
Medical records say
he was so weak that,
260
00:10:02,477 --> 00:10:04,145
uh, he could barely
get out of bed.
261
00:10:04,145 --> 00:10:05,688
- Or that's what
he wanted you to think.
262
00:10:05,688 --> 00:10:06,981
- Moving on.
263
00:10:06,981 --> 00:10:08,358
Digging up a body's
no easy task.
264
00:10:08,358 --> 00:10:10,068
Why would Rich go
to all that trouble?
265
00:10:10,068 --> 00:10:12,403
- Initially,
we thought it was simply
266
00:10:12,403 --> 00:10:15,824
the demented act of
a clearly disturbed mind,
267
00:10:15,824 --> 00:10:17,659
and in some ways, it was.
268
00:10:17,659 --> 00:10:20,161
But then we found the tattoo.
269
00:10:20,161 --> 00:10:21,996
- At first, it was
a little bit difficult
270
00:10:21,996 --> 00:10:23,915
to make out exactly
what it was.
271
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A half a decade of decomp
does a number on the skin.
272
00:10:27,335 --> 00:10:29,921
- But when we look back
at the case file,
273
00:10:29,921 --> 00:10:32,298
there was a photo of it taken
during the original autopsy.
274
00:10:32,298 --> 00:10:33,675
- That's actually kind of sick.
275
00:10:33,675 --> 00:10:35,802
I wonder if there's a way
to track down the artist.
276
00:10:35,802 --> 00:10:36,970
I've been meaning
to start the sleeve
277
00:10:36,970 --> 00:10:38,847
on my other arm, like a--
278
00:10:38,847 --> 00:10:40,348
- To my collaborator's point,
279
00:10:40,348 --> 00:10:42,433
lots of people have tattoos.
280
00:10:42,433 --> 00:10:44,727
What was it about this one
that jumped out at you?
281
00:10:44,727 --> 00:10:47,981
- Well, something about it
was familiar to both of us,
282
00:10:47,981 --> 00:10:49,816
but we couldn't place it.
283
00:10:49,816 --> 00:10:53,278
So we started asking around,
and the answer couldn't come
284
00:10:53,278 --> 00:10:56,197
from a more unlikely place.
285
00:10:56,197 --> 00:10:58,074
- I watched the Rich Rowley
training videos
286
00:10:58,074 --> 00:11:00,535
more than any person alive,
287
00:11:00,535 --> 00:11:04,080
so I recognized
the symbol immediately.
288
00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,291
- Sometimes,
citizens panic when
289
00:11:06,291 --> 00:11:08,960
they can't get in touch with
their friends or loved ones.
290
00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,004
That is why we always
advise the public
291
00:11:11,004 --> 00:11:14,424
to wait 24 hours before
reporting someone missing.
292
00:11:14,424 --> 00:11:16,384
While most missing
person reports stem
293
00:11:16,384 --> 00:11:18,094
from a lapse
in communication,
294
00:11:18,094 --> 00:11:19,971
every once in a while,
you'll encounter
295
00:11:19,971 --> 00:11:22,557
a true, workable case.
296
00:11:22,557 --> 00:11:25,351
- Officer, help.
My sister is missing.
297
00:11:25,351 --> 00:11:26,811
- When's the last time
you saw her?
298
00:11:26,811 --> 00:11:28,479
- Last night at the bar.
299
00:11:28,479 --> 00:11:30,857
Her boyfriend said
she never made it home.
300
00:11:30,857 --> 00:11:34,694
- You always wanna take a
report like this one seriously.
301
00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:37,280
- So Rich hid the same symbol
in his training videos
302
00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,657
that was tattooed on
the body of a murder victim.
303
00:11:39,657 --> 00:11:41,868
What did you think that meant?
304
00:11:41,868 --> 00:11:44,120
- Uh, I don't know.
305
00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:44,871
- I can't believe
I'm saying this,
306
00:11:44,871 --> 00:11:46,080
but Smitty was right.
307
00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,082
In lesson 187,
the tattoo symbol
308
00:11:48,082 --> 00:11:49,959
was hidden in the background,
309
00:11:49,959 --> 00:11:51,669
although the instructions
310
00:11:51,669 --> 00:11:53,963
to wait 24 hours before
reporting a missing person
311
00:11:53,963 --> 00:11:55,882
are wildly outdated.
312
00:11:55,882 --> 00:11:57,634
Anyways, it got me thinking.
313
00:11:57,634 --> 00:12:00,803
What if Rich put messages
in other videos?
314
00:12:00,803 --> 00:12:02,055
- What kind of messages?
315
00:12:02,055 --> 00:12:03,514
- I'm not totally sure yet.
316
00:12:03,514 --> 00:12:05,558
I binged every single
Rich training video
317
00:12:05,558 --> 00:12:06,559
I could get my hands on.
318
00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,102
- Yeah, it's been
a fun few nights.
319
00:12:08,102 --> 00:12:10,021
- And I did find a few
other possible leads,
320
00:12:10,021 --> 00:12:11,356
but there's a problem.
321
00:12:11,356 --> 00:12:12,649
The department's
archive is incomplete,
322
00:12:12,649 --> 00:12:14,067
and without all of the videos,
323
00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:15,234
I can't be sure
that I'm not missing
324
00:12:15,234 --> 00:12:16,653
a vital piece of information.
325
00:12:16,653 --> 00:12:18,529
- So what happened
to the missing videos?
326
00:12:18,529 --> 00:12:20,698
- So when the training topics
and the videos
327
00:12:20,698 --> 00:12:24,327
become outdated because
of new laws or protocols,
328
00:12:24,327 --> 00:12:26,037
the department has
to make new ones,
329
00:12:26,037 --> 00:12:28,498
and obsolete videos
are supposed to be digitized
330
00:12:28,498 --> 00:12:31,709
and archived
for historical record.
331
00:12:31,709 --> 00:12:34,087
But Rich's were just gone.
332
00:12:34,087 --> 00:12:35,713
- Gone as in destroyed?
333
00:12:35,713 --> 00:12:38,341
- Like a cover-up?
- No one's saying that.
334
00:12:38,341 --> 00:12:40,551
Most likely,
it was a human error.
335
00:12:40,551 --> 00:12:43,179
You know, someone got lazy,
didn't archive them.
336
00:12:43,179 --> 00:12:45,014
- I tried reaching out
to the production company
337
00:12:45,014 --> 00:12:48,184
that made the videos to see
if they had any copies left.
338
00:12:48,184 --> 00:12:51,229
Bad news is they went out
of business a few years back
339
00:12:51,229 --> 00:12:53,106
and auctioned off
all their equipment.
340
00:12:53,106 --> 00:12:55,191
- What's the good news?
341
00:12:55,191 --> 00:12:58,486
- Well, I managed to track down
the auction logs,
342
00:12:58,486 --> 00:13:00,488
and I actually know
the person who purchased
343
00:13:00,488 --> 00:13:02,949
the studio's old hard drives.
344
00:13:02,949 --> 00:13:06,202
- Careful, I'm very ticklish,
like the Pillsbury Doughboy.
345
00:13:06,202 --> 00:13:07,203
- Same.
346
00:13:07,203 --> 00:13:09,247
I hear it's a sign
of intelligence.
347
00:13:09,247 --> 00:13:10,540
- Is that a fact?
- Yep.
348
00:13:10,540 --> 00:13:13,167
- Then I am smart
as the dickens.
349
00:13:13,167 --> 00:13:14,919
- So you purchased hard drives
350
00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:16,754
from Speak Now Studios?
351
00:13:16,754 --> 00:13:18,840
- Yeah. Dropout was still
in its infancy.
352
00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,134
I was building the company
from the ground up.
353
00:13:21,134 --> 00:13:23,386
We had to be smart about
how we were spending our money.
354
00:13:23,386 --> 00:13:26,055
We bought a huge amount
of equipment secondhand--
355
00:13:26,055 --> 00:13:27,974
hard drives, cameras, wigs.
356
00:13:27,974 --> 00:13:31,019
- Wait, you bought
second-hand wigs?
357
00:13:31,019 --> 00:13:32,311
- Give them a little shake
before we put them on.
358
00:13:32,311 --> 00:13:33,771
- That's awesome.
359
00:13:33,771 --> 00:13:35,023
Do you still have
that wig connect?
360
00:13:35,023 --> 00:13:37,650
'Cause I'd love a referral.
My guy is--
361
00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:39,527
- Back on track.
362
00:13:39,527 --> 00:13:41,779
The hard drives you bought
contain police training videos.
363
00:13:41,779 --> 00:13:43,364
Did you happen to watch
any of them?
364
00:13:43,364 --> 00:13:45,366
- Of course.
Rich Rowley, right?
365
00:13:45,366 --> 00:13:47,368
We were obsessed
with those videos.
366
00:13:47,368 --> 00:13:50,079
We probably watched them,
like, a dozen times.
367
00:13:50,079 --> 00:13:52,749
I'm Rich Rowley, and this is
"Survive the Streets."
368
00:13:52,749 --> 00:13:54,375
- Oh, that's great.
369
00:13:54,375 --> 00:13:55,752
- Vic can do
the best impression.
370
00:13:55,752 --> 00:13:57,670
- Do you think you'd be able
to make copies for us?
371
00:13:57,670 --> 00:14:00,048
- I totally would,
372
00:14:00,048 --> 00:14:01,340
but I can't because
373
00:14:01,340 --> 00:14:03,051
we wiped all of those
hard drives
374
00:14:03,051 --> 00:14:04,635
to use as servers months ago.
375
00:14:04,635 --> 00:14:06,512
Sorry I couldn't be
of more help.
376
00:14:06,512 --> 00:14:10,349
You'll still feature
this interview, right?
377
00:14:10,349 --> 00:14:11,934
- Yeah.
- Yeah, probably not.
378
00:14:11,934 --> 00:14:13,728
- Wait, you said you
and the Dropout crew
379
00:14:13,728 --> 00:14:16,481
watched the video, like,
dozens of times, right?
380
00:14:16,481 --> 00:14:18,608
- Yes, sometimes on an edible,
mostly sober.
381
00:14:18,608 --> 00:14:20,526
- I have an idea.
382
00:14:20,526 --> 00:14:21,986
- OK, so then he'd be like,
don't forget to check
383
00:14:21,986 --> 00:14:23,488
the closet or you'll die.
So I don't know.
384
00:14:23,488 --> 00:14:25,198
- I think it's
a little bit more like,
385
00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:26,991
like, if you forget
to check the closet,
386
00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:29,702
Freddy, Jason, and Chucky
will rip off your scrote!
387
00:14:29,702 --> 00:14:31,454
- OK, I think
there's less foot stuff.
388
00:14:31,454 --> 00:14:33,039
I feel like he's like--
389
00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:35,041
and then your crazy
methy ex-girlfriend
390
00:14:35,041 --> 00:14:37,251
who's been hiding in
the hallway closet
391
00:14:37,251 --> 00:14:39,128
will chainsaw your face
when you get home
392
00:14:39,128 --> 00:14:41,005
because you forgot
to clear the room!
393
00:14:41,005 --> 00:14:42,006
- Clear the room!
- Clear the room!
394
00:14:42,006 --> 00:14:43,591
- Check the room.
395
00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:45,551
- I think he was so close
to pulling out his gun--
396
00:14:45,551 --> 00:14:47,303
- What are you guys doing?
- That's a great question.
397
00:14:47,303 --> 00:14:48,930
- They're reenacting
the police training videos
398
00:14:48,930 --> 00:14:50,264
since you guys wiped them
off your hard drive.
399
00:14:50,264 --> 00:14:51,933
- Oh, the Rich Rowley ones.
400
00:14:51,933 --> 00:14:53,434
Those are so funny.
- Right.
401
00:14:53,434 --> 00:14:54,936
- I actually stole
one of the hard drives
402
00:14:54,936 --> 00:14:56,145
so I could watch it
when I'm in the tub.
403
00:14:56,145 --> 00:14:57,313
- You talking about
your tub again?
404
00:14:57,313 --> 00:14:58,481
- Say what?
- A little self-care.
405
00:14:58,481 --> 00:15:00,233
You know,
trying to relax a little more.
406
00:15:00,233 --> 00:15:02,318
It's not working.
- Can we have it?
407
00:15:02,318 --> 00:15:03,945
- If you want to borrow it,
I could, you know.
408
00:15:03,945 --> 00:15:05,405
- No, I think this is
actually working great.
409
00:15:05,405 --> 00:15:07,907
- I mean, you could. OK.
- Keep this up.
410
00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:08,783
- Riffing.
- Clearing the room.
411
00:15:08,783 --> 00:15:10,118
- Help us.
412
00:15:10,118 --> 00:15:11,369
- OK, I finally
finished watching
413
00:15:11,369 --> 00:15:12,954
all of the Rich
training videos,
414
00:15:12,954 --> 00:15:14,413
and there is a lot.
415
00:15:14,413 --> 00:15:17,500
Um, take lesson 277--
416
00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:20,753
- [screaming]
417
00:15:20,753 --> 00:15:22,505
My azaleas!
418
00:15:22,505 --> 00:15:26,134
- A cold case where victim
Azalea Robinson was found
419
00:15:26,134 --> 00:15:27,969
stabbed near a ski resort.
420
00:15:27,969 --> 00:15:29,345
- You're kidding.
- No.
421
00:15:29,345 --> 00:15:32,348
And in lesson 290,
Rich is holding a folder
422
00:15:32,348 --> 00:15:34,142
with a Post-It note
on the back with a brown star
423
00:15:34,142 --> 00:15:35,476
drawn on it.
- I'm lost.
424
00:15:35,476 --> 00:15:38,229
- Right, so I looked up
the cold cases
425
00:15:38,229 --> 00:15:39,939
to see if there were
any victims with names
426
00:15:39,939 --> 00:15:41,858
like Star or Stella,
427
00:15:41,858 --> 00:15:43,359
and there was one hit,
428
00:15:43,359 --> 00:15:44,861
Stella Brown,
429
00:15:44,861 --> 00:15:47,155
also found stabbed
in the chest.
430
00:15:47,155 --> 00:15:49,115
- In all,
Lucy found clues pointing
431
00:15:49,115 --> 00:15:51,534
to seven different cold cases.
432
00:15:51,534 --> 00:15:53,536
- But why was Rich hiding
the names of murder victims
433
00:15:53,536 --> 00:15:55,371
in police training videos?
434
00:15:55,371 --> 00:15:56,622
- Based on what
we could piece together,
435
00:15:56,622 --> 00:15:58,916
he believed he had stumbled
upon a conspiracy--
436
00:15:58,916 --> 00:16:01,252
a series of connected murders
committed by person
437
00:16:01,252 --> 00:16:02,879
or persons unknown.
438
00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:04,672
- If that were the case,
why not just report
439
00:16:04,672 --> 00:16:07,049
his suspicion?
He was a cop for 30 years.
440
00:16:07,049 --> 00:16:09,552
- Well, Rich had
a bit of a reputation
441
00:16:09,552 --> 00:16:14,098
within the department for,
shall we say, magical thinking.
442
00:16:14,098 --> 00:16:17,935
So unfortunately, his theory
was dismissed out of hand.
443
00:16:17,935 --> 00:16:19,896
- But why did he think
the murders were connected?
444
00:16:19,896 --> 00:16:21,397
- Well, for starters,
they were all stabbed
445
00:16:21,397 --> 00:16:23,524
in the chest,
but more importantly,
446
00:16:23,524 --> 00:16:25,151
each victim was found
with a penny
447
00:16:25,151 --> 00:16:26,611
either in or on their person.
448
00:16:26,611 --> 00:16:27,945
- What do you mean "in"?
449
00:16:27,945 --> 00:16:30,072
- One had a penny
in her stomach.
450
00:16:30,072 --> 00:16:32,241
Another had one
shoved up his nose.
451
00:16:32,241 --> 00:16:33,576
Stella Brown lucked out.
452
00:16:33,576 --> 00:16:35,494
Hers was just
clasped in her hand.
453
00:16:35,494 --> 00:16:37,997
- And when we re-examined
Marcus Ford's corpse,
454
00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:41,375
the ME found one inserted into
the heel of his left foot.
455
00:16:41,375 --> 00:16:43,085
- Why?
456
00:16:43,085 --> 00:16:45,379
- Did we mention that
they were all minted in 1930?
457
00:16:45,379 --> 00:16:47,632
- OK.
Well, I just got goosebumps.
458
00:16:47,632 --> 00:16:49,842
- Rich's autopsy also revealed
that he had swallowed
459
00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:51,969
close to 50 pennies
before he died.
460
00:16:51,969 --> 00:16:53,221
- Gross.
461
00:16:53,221 --> 00:16:54,931
So at this point,
was your theory--
462
00:16:54,931 --> 00:16:56,807
I actually have no idea what
their theory would have been.
463
00:16:56,807 --> 00:16:59,477
- Yeah, well, I would tell you,
but we were way off the mark,
464
00:16:59,477 --> 00:17:01,687
which we were about to discover
465
00:17:01,687 --> 00:17:04,482
when we got access
to his cloud account.
466
00:17:04,482 --> 00:17:07,108
- OK.
467
00:17:07,108 --> 00:17:09,694
I may have finally found it.
[laughs]
468
00:17:09,694 --> 00:17:12,448
I am so close to getting
some real answers.
469
00:17:12,448 --> 00:17:14,659
[eerie music]
470
00:17:14,659 --> 00:17:16,786
See that?
471
00:17:20,790 --> 00:17:23,834
[straining]
472
00:17:23,834 --> 00:17:30,591
♪ ♪
473
00:17:30,591 --> 00:17:33,094
Oh, whoa.
474
00:17:33,094 --> 00:17:34,095
Ha!
475
00:17:34,095 --> 00:17:36,097
[indistinct shouting]
476
00:17:36,097 --> 00:17:38,140
Oh, my God.
No! No.
477
00:17:38,140 --> 00:17:40,685
[people shouting indistinctly]
478
00:17:40,685 --> 00:17:43,104
- For a guy
pretending to be dead,
479
00:17:43,104 --> 00:17:44,981
breaking into a secure
military facility
480
00:17:44,981 --> 00:17:47,024
doesn't seem like
the best idea.
481
00:17:47,024 --> 00:17:50,695
- Well, he wasn't just breaking
into any military facility.
482
00:17:50,695 --> 00:17:52,154
It was Area 67.
483
00:17:52,154 --> 00:17:53,447
- What does that mean?
484
00:17:53,447 --> 00:17:56,158
- That's where the government
keeps the aliens.
485
00:17:56,158 --> 00:17:59,954
♪ ♪
486
00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:05,293
- So Rich broke into
a secret government base
487
00:18:05,293 --> 00:18:07,169
on the hunt for
a massive conspiracy,
488
00:18:07,169 --> 00:18:08,671
then stabbed himself
in the chest?
489
00:18:08,671 --> 00:18:10,256
I mean, at that point,
it's obvious what happened.
490
00:18:10,256 --> 00:18:12,174
- Is it?
- Come on.
491
00:18:12,174 --> 00:18:14,260
Remember what Rich said
right before he died?
492
00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:15,845
- I can't die.
493
00:18:15,845 --> 00:18:16,804
It's inside of me.
494
00:18:16,804 --> 00:18:18,556
It won't let me die.
495
00:18:18,556 --> 00:18:19,974
- Yeah, I'm not following.
496
00:18:19,974 --> 00:18:22,727
- Rich was exposed
to an alien parasite.
497
00:18:22,727 --> 00:18:25,271
It was inside him.
498
00:18:25,271 --> 00:18:27,815
- Were you familiar
with Area 67?
499
00:18:27,815 --> 00:18:29,608
- I'd heard of it.
Yeah.
500
00:18:29,608 --> 00:18:32,320
There's this AM radio station
I used to listen to
501
00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,946
back in Foxburg.
502
00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:35,573
Kept me awake when
I was working late.
503
00:18:35,573 --> 00:18:38,409
The host was obsessed
with UFOs.
504
00:18:38,409 --> 00:18:40,620
- "Val's Velvet Bunker"?
- That's the one.
505
00:18:40,620 --> 00:18:43,914
He was a little bit out there,
but always entertaining.
506
00:18:43,914 --> 00:18:47,293
- Area 51 is theater.
507
00:18:47,293 --> 00:18:49,003
Do you believe?
508
00:18:49,003 --> 00:18:51,839
Do you really believe
the most secretive
509
00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:54,467
military installation
in the world would let itself
510
00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:56,469
become a tourist attraction?
511
00:18:56,469 --> 00:18:57,762
No, no, no, no.
512
00:18:57,762 --> 00:19:00,431
Area 51 is the distraction.
513
00:19:00,431 --> 00:19:03,392
Area 67 is the real deal.
514
00:19:03,392 --> 00:19:05,936
You know why California
has all those earthquakes?
515
00:19:05,936 --> 00:19:08,689
It's not the San Andreas
Fault, my friends.
516
00:19:08,689 --> 00:19:11,859
It's the sonic resonance
from Area 67's
517
00:19:11,859 --> 00:19:13,694
underground testing chambers.
518
00:19:13,694 --> 00:19:15,613
- Did you believe
in his theories?
519
00:19:15,613 --> 00:19:17,031
- No, no.
520
00:19:17,031 --> 00:19:18,824
Like I said,
just entertainment.
521
00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:19,784
- Let's hear from a caller.
522
00:19:19,784 --> 00:19:21,535
- Hi, name's John.
523
00:19:21,535 --> 00:19:22,703
Longtime listener,
fourth-time caller.
524
00:19:22,703 --> 00:19:25,373
- Hey, John from Foxburg.
Welcome back.
525
00:19:25,373 --> 00:19:26,499
What have you got
for us tonight?
526
00:19:26,499 --> 00:19:29,085
- I swear to God
I just saw a UFO.
527
00:19:31,379 --> 00:19:34,465
John is such a common name.
528
00:19:34,465 --> 00:19:37,093
- I'm open to the possibility
of extraterrestrial life.
529
00:19:37,093 --> 00:19:38,386
- You are?
- Yeah.
530
00:19:38,386 --> 00:19:40,012
I mean, it's a big universe.
531
00:19:40,012 --> 00:19:42,056
Anything could be out there.
- I don't know.
532
00:19:42,056 --> 00:19:44,892
People who claim to have seen
aliens tend to be a little off.
533
00:19:44,892 --> 00:19:46,685
- You were friends
with a corpse, right?
534
00:19:46,685 --> 00:19:48,062
- Well, yeah,
we were more than friends,
535
00:19:48,062 --> 00:19:49,689
but fair enough.
OK.
536
00:19:49,689 --> 00:19:52,108
- Legally, is it necrophilia
537
00:19:52,108 --> 00:19:53,692
if she only did
over the clothes stuff?
538
00:19:53,692 --> 00:19:56,195
- That's a great question.
- Oh, I definitely believe.
539
00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:57,988
In fact,
540
00:19:57,988 --> 00:20:00,241
I've been abducted by aliens.
541
00:20:00,241 --> 00:20:02,618
- Really?
- Multiple times.
542
00:20:02,618 --> 00:20:06,038
Apparently,
I'm a fascinating subject.
543
00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:09,250
- I remember the last time
Smitty was "abducted."
544
00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:10,918
Turns out he partied
too hard in Vegas
545
00:20:10,918 --> 00:20:12,545
and woke up in Wisconsin.
546
00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:14,296
- Missing time,
547
00:20:14,296 --> 00:20:17,258
one of the hallmarks
of alien abductions.
548
00:20:17,258 --> 00:20:19,385
- And binge drinking.
- Point is,
549
00:20:19,385 --> 00:20:22,054
the government
had little gray men
550
00:20:22,054 --> 00:20:24,473
in their secret labs
for decades.
551
00:20:24,473 --> 00:20:26,267
- What are they
doing with them?
552
00:20:26,267 --> 00:20:28,894
- They're implanting the aliens
in unsuspecting hosts
553
00:20:28,894 --> 00:20:30,521
and taking over their bodies.
554
00:20:30,521 --> 00:20:34,108
You just never know
who might be one of them.
555
00:20:35,735 --> 00:20:38,612
- Some people in the station
believed Rich stabbed himself
556
00:20:38,612 --> 00:20:40,573
to kill an alien parasite,
557
00:20:40,573 --> 00:20:42,074
but I wouldn't say
558
00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:44,034
that was a dominant theory.
559
00:20:44,034 --> 00:20:45,578
It wasn't long before
we figured out
560
00:20:45,578 --> 00:20:48,038
Rich believed something darker,
561
00:20:48,038 --> 00:20:50,458
and it was connected
to the seven murders.
562
00:20:50,458 --> 00:20:52,084
- Then why did Rich break
into the army base?
563
00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:54,712
- Yes, I remember the incident.
564
00:20:54,712 --> 00:20:56,172
Rich Rowley
cut through a fence.
565
00:20:56,172 --> 00:20:58,340
He trespassed on
government property.
566
00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:01,051
He was promptly apprehended
and sent on his way.
567
00:21:01,051 --> 00:21:03,596
- Do you have any idea
what Rich was looking for?
568
00:21:03,596 --> 00:21:06,390
- Uh, as it turns out,
he was looking for me.
569
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:09,602
But not because of
any alleged aliens.
570
00:21:09,602 --> 00:21:12,021
- So why did he come?
571
00:21:12,021 --> 00:21:14,982
- Uh, this part is a--
572
00:21:14,982 --> 00:21:17,693
is a little bit embarrassing.
Um...
573
00:21:17,693 --> 00:21:19,987
before I found my calling
in the military,
574
00:21:19,987 --> 00:21:22,740
I thought that
I wanted to be an actor,
575
00:21:22,740 --> 00:21:25,701
and I was in a few DTV movies.
576
00:21:25,701 --> 00:21:26,827
- What's DTV?
577
00:21:26,827 --> 00:21:27,953
- You're so young.
578
00:21:27,953 --> 00:21:29,413
- Uh, direct to video.
579
00:21:29,413 --> 00:21:31,749
They made all these
super cheap movies
580
00:21:31,749 --> 00:21:33,542
back in the '80s and '90s.
581
00:21:33,542 --> 00:21:35,085
You make them as cheaply
as possible
582
00:21:35,085 --> 00:21:37,129
and then hope that someone
was drawn in enough
583
00:21:37,129 --> 00:21:39,548
by the cover art to rent them.
584
00:21:39,548 --> 00:21:42,134
- A guy can't have a side gig?
- Totally.
585
00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:43,719
How did you get into acting?
586
00:21:43,719 --> 00:21:46,263
- Some director scouted me
when I pulled him over.
587
00:21:46,263 --> 00:21:49,058
He said I had a bitchin' bod.
588
00:21:49,058 --> 00:21:50,726
Well, he wasn't wrong.
589
00:21:50,726 --> 00:21:53,604
But I gave it up 'cause
the people of this city
590
00:21:53,604 --> 00:21:55,689
needed a savior.
- Mm.
591
00:21:55,689 --> 00:21:57,942
- Yeah, you are the model
of public service.
592
00:21:57,942 --> 00:21:59,777
- Right.
593
00:21:59,777 --> 00:22:02,822
- Anyway, Rich became
interested in this terrible
594
00:22:02,822 --> 00:22:06,033
B movie that I was in.
I played a monk.
595
00:22:06,033 --> 00:22:08,577
It was called
"300 Days of Hell."
596
00:22:08,577 --> 00:22:10,579
[metal clangs]
597
00:22:10,579 --> 00:22:12,832
- [gasps]
598
00:22:12,832 --> 00:22:14,708
- Terrible B movie,
that's what he called it?
599
00:22:14,708 --> 00:22:17,086
"300 Days of Hell" is the
scariest film of the 1990s.
600
00:22:17,086 --> 00:22:18,671
- Really?
601
00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:20,631
"The Ring", "Scream,"
"Blair Witch Project"?
602
00:22:20,631 --> 00:22:22,591
- Which one of us executive
produced a horror movie?
603
00:22:22,591 --> 00:22:24,844
Trust me, "THDOH"
604
00:22:24,844 --> 00:22:26,846
is true nightmare fuel.
605
00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:28,931
- It's not that scary.
606
00:22:28,931 --> 00:22:31,475
She made me watch it at the
beginning of our relationship.
607
00:22:31,475 --> 00:22:34,353
- When he was still
trying to impress me.
608
00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:36,480
You wanna watch it
again tonight?
609
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,233
- I would.
Totally.
610
00:22:39,233 --> 00:22:42,236
I do have plans, though.
611
00:22:42,236 --> 00:22:43,821
- Yeah I'm not watching
that crap,
612
00:22:43,821 --> 00:22:45,531
even if it is for a case.
613
00:22:45,531 --> 00:22:47,783
I see enough horror on the job.
614
00:22:47,783 --> 00:22:50,828
That being said,
"300 Days of Hell"
615
00:22:50,828 --> 00:22:52,830
was our first real window
into the rabbit hole
616
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:54,248
that Rich had gone down.
617
00:22:54,248 --> 00:22:55,791
- A rabbit hole filled
with demons--
618
00:22:55,791 --> 00:22:58,711
or rather, a demon.
619
00:22:58,711 --> 00:23:00,421
- So Rich believed a demon
had killed all those people?
620
00:23:00,421 --> 00:23:02,131
- No, the killers
were definitely human.
621
00:23:02,131 --> 00:23:03,924
- Killers, plural?
- Yeah.
622
00:23:03,924 --> 00:23:06,385
There was different trace DNA
on all the bodies,
623
00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:08,512
all from different subjects,
and none of them
624
00:23:08,512 --> 00:23:10,931
were in the system.
- Meaning?
625
00:23:10,931 --> 00:23:12,182
- The murders were committed
by a group of people
626
00:23:12,182 --> 00:23:14,268
with shared beliefs.
627
00:23:14,268 --> 00:23:15,477
- A murder cult?
628
00:23:15,477 --> 00:23:17,938
- The cult believed a demon
named Malaphus
629
00:23:17,938 --> 00:23:20,274
had been possessing people
all across the city,
630
00:23:20,274 --> 00:23:24,236
jumping from host to host, and
it was up to them to stop it.
631
00:23:24,236 --> 00:23:27,031
[eerie music]
632
00:23:32,786 --> 00:23:34,872
- The legend of Malaphus
is centuries old.
633
00:23:34,872 --> 00:23:38,083
The first mention we see of him
is 1433's
634
00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:40,294
"Lesser Grimoire of Solomon"
635
00:23:40,294 --> 00:23:43,881
by Slovenian inquisitor
Terentius Bruma,
636
00:23:43,881 --> 00:23:48,010
a reference text of demons
and their attributes.
637
00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:50,137
- Gnarly.
- Right?
638
00:23:50,137 --> 00:23:53,140
He's also known as
the Deceiver, the Infestor,
639
00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:55,726
and Demon of 300 days.
Why?
640
00:23:55,726 --> 00:23:58,062
Once summoned to Earth,
Malaphus won't rest
641
00:23:58,062 --> 00:23:59,855
until he finds a human host.
642
00:23:59,855 --> 00:24:02,775
After possession begins,
he incubates
643
00:24:02,775 --> 00:24:04,985
300 days.
644
00:24:04,985 --> 00:24:06,528
- What happens after 300 days?
645
00:24:06,528 --> 00:24:08,322
- He reaches full strength,
646
00:24:08,322 --> 00:24:11,617
and his power
becomes uncontainable.
647
00:24:11,617 --> 00:24:12,993
- Uh-oh.
648
00:24:14,370 --> 00:24:16,622
- Um, if Malaphus
was summoned to Earth,
649
00:24:16,622 --> 00:24:18,248
how would one stop him?
650
00:24:18,248 --> 00:24:21,627
- Bruma suggests killing the
host might slow Malaphus down,
651
00:24:21,627 --> 00:24:25,339
forcing him to regenerate
before he can find a new host,
652
00:24:25,339 --> 00:24:28,133
a process
that also can be slowed
653
00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:30,636
by the use of copper.
654
00:24:30,636 --> 00:24:33,305
- It was the pennies.
- The pennies.
655
00:24:33,305 --> 00:24:34,848
- It all came back
to the pennies.
656
00:24:34,848 --> 00:24:38,435
- Before 1984,
U.S. pennies were 95% copper.
657
00:24:38,435 --> 00:24:40,980
- So the copper in the pennies
was meant to bind the demon,
658
00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:42,314
but what about the 1930 part?
659
00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:45,150
- Uh, are you familiar
with numerology?
660
00:24:46,694 --> 00:24:49,405
Some ancient peoples--
and Taylor Swift--
661
00:24:49,405 --> 00:24:52,408
believed there was
a mystical connection
662
00:24:52,408 --> 00:24:55,202
between letters and numbers.
663
00:24:55,202 --> 00:24:57,371
Using the Chaldean method,
the name Malaphus
664
00:24:57,371 --> 00:24:59,456
becomes a digit, 1930.
665
00:24:59,456 --> 00:25:02,000
- So you're saying--
- We had a theory.
666
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,628
Whoever killed those people
believed the victims
667
00:25:04,628 --> 00:25:06,797
were possessed by Malaphus.
668
00:25:06,797 --> 00:25:10,551
They had to reach
Malaphus's host before
669
00:25:10,551 --> 00:25:12,261
he reached his true form.
670
00:25:12,261 --> 00:25:13,762
A 1930 penny was
the perfect tool.
671
00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:16,348
- Yeah, Rich's talk of,
"it's inside me,
672
00:25:16,348 --> 00:25:18,684
it won't let me die,"
he thought he was infested
673
00:25:18,684 --> 00:25:20,102
by this demon, too,
674
00:25:20,102 --> 00:25:21,645
and that's why
he killed himself.
675
00:25:21,645 --> 00:25:23,147
- Wait.
676
00:25:23,147 --> 00:25:24,565
I thought Rich didn't
believe in Malaphus.
677
00:25:24,565 --> 00:25:26,859
Isn't that why he was
trying to stop the cult?
678
00:25:26,859 --> 00:25:29,111
- Well, yes, but, I mean,
years of obsession and paranoia
679
00:25:29,111 --> 00:25:31,071
can do a number
on a person's psyche.
680
00:25:31,071 --> 00:25:32,197
I mean, it seems as though,
in the end,
681
00:25:32,197 --> 00:25:33,866
Rich could no longer
distinguish
682
00:25:33,866 --> 00:25:35,492
fantasy from reality.
683
00:25:35,492 --> 00:25:37,244
- And you got this theory
from Rich's files?
684
00:25:37,244 --> 00:25:39,288
- Well, I mean,
we actually got it from Lopez.
685
00:25:39,288 --> 00:25:41,874
- And they say watching
old horror movies
686
00:25:41,874 --> 00:25:44,168
isn't a good use of time.
687
00:25:44,168 --> 00:25:46,420
- I never said that.
688
00:25:46,420 --> 00:25:49,423
[eerie music]
689
00:25:49,423 --> 00:25:53,635
♪ ♪
690
00:25:53,635 --> 00:25:55,846
- Are we safe, brother?
691
00:25:55,846 --> 00:25:57,848
Is Malaphus banished?
692
00:25:57,848 --> 00:25:59,600
- His sigil is drawn.
693
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,518
The rite is spoken.
694
00:26:01,518 --> 00:26:05,522
We have sealed his last
human vessel with copper.
695
00:26:05,522 --> 00:26:08,484
[eerie choral music]
696
00:26:08,484 --> 00:26:11,945
♪ ♪
697
00:26:11,945 --> 00:26:13,739
- Heaven forgive us.
698
00:26:13,739 --> 00:26:15,699
- Indeed.
699
00:26:15,699 --> 00:26:17,743
For hell will not.
700
00:26:17,743 --> 00:26:18,911
[bell tolling]
701
00:26:18,911 --> 00:26:21,121
- Midnight,
702
00:26:21,121 --> 00:26:24,166
the 300th day.
703
00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:26,794
Our task was done
none too soon.
704
00:26:26,794 --> 00:26:30,714
- [coughing]
705
00:26:30,714 --> 00:26:32,549
♪ ♪
706
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:35,803
[retching]
707
00:26:35,803 --> 00:26:39,181
♪ ♪
708
00:26:39,181 --> 00:26:41,975
[suspenseful music]
709
00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:44,394
♪ ♪
710
00:26:44,394 --> 00:26:47,689
- [screaming]
711
00:26:47,689 --> 00:26:53,070
♪ ♪
712
00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:55,114
[liquid pouring]
- Yeah, that was me.
713
00:26:57,491 --> 00:26:59,284
Do you guys want a glass?
- No, I'm good.
714
00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:01,787
- Oh, you got
anything stronger?
715
00:27:01,787 --> 00:27:04,331
Fine.
I'll just take a glass.
716
00:27:04,331 --> 00:27:06,375
OK, I'll, just--
I'll have nothing, actually.
717
00:27:06,375 --> 00:27:08,168
No fun for me.
718
00:27:08,168 --> 00:27:11,964
- Yeah, that was
my first big movie role.
719
00:27:11,964 --> 00:27:15,634
Well, my only one, really.
720
00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:18,512
Rich was so excited
when I told him I booked it.
721
00:27:18,512 --> 00:27:20,472
He helped me run lines.
722
00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:22,057
- Did Rich buy in
to the Malaphus mythology?
723
00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:23,725
- No.
724
00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:25,727
Weirdly, given all
the conspiracies that Rich
725
00:27:25,727 --> 00:27:28,897
believed in,
he was a total atheist.
726
00:27:28,897 --> 00:27:30,816
But I wouldn't have
blamed him after everything
727
00:27:30,816 --> 00:27:32,359
that happened on that shoot.
728
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,069
- Like what?
729
00:27:35,362 --> 00:27:37,281
- Before production wrapped,
730
00:27:37,281 --> 00:27:39,283
the DP was paralyzed
driving to set.
731
00:27:39,283 --> 00:27:41,827
A stunt person had
his leg amputated.
732
00:27:41,827 --> 00:27:43,704
There were divorces,
bankruptcies.
733
00:27:43,704 --> 00:27:45,247
Careers ended.
734
00:27:45,247 --> 00:27:49,293
One of the actors even died
in his hotel room.
735
00:27:49,293 --> 00:27:51,253
People say the production
was cursed.
736
00:27:51,253 --> 00:27:53,672
- What about you?
What do you believe?
737
00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:57,968
- I believe the real curse
was the director.
738
00:27:57,968 --> 00:28:00,888
He was a reckless maniac that
didn't know how to run a set.
739
00:28:00,888 --> 00:28:03,473
- Cut.
Cut!
740
00:28:03,473 --> 00:28:05,851
Arthur! Arthur!
741
00:28:05,851 --> 00:28:09,730
Your strangulation,
it has to be real.
742
00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:11,899
I wanna feel the life
draining from him.
743
00:28:11,899 --> 00:28:15,611
You, you--you cannot move
from your position,
744
00:28:15,611 --> 00:28:17,321
Not even an inch.
745
00:28:17,321 --> 00:28:21,575
Guys, this ritual is
extremely specific.
746
00:28:21,575 --> 00:28:23,660
OK?
Let's go again.
747
00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:25,245
- OK, I thought I was
choking you pretty well.
748
00:28:25,245 --> 00:28:26,705
I'm sorry.
749
00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:27,539
OK, I'm gonna choke you
a little harder.
750
00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:29,333
Ready?
751
00:28:29,333 --> 00:28:31,335
- Douglas was real touchy
about the religious stuff.
752
00:28:31,335 --> 00:28:33,629
I guess he had grown up
in some sort of commune,
753
00:28:33,629 --> 00:28:36,548
and this was all based on
stories he was told growing up.
754
00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:38,967
- OK, but what I heard
is that they accidentally
755
00:28:38,967 --> 00:28:40,886
summoned Malaphus for real.
756
00:28:40,886 --> 00:28:42,596
The director found
some ancient tome
757
00:28:42,596 --> 00:28:45,974
and inserted the incantation
and rituals verbatim.
758
00:28:45,974 --> 00:28:47,351
- Ooh, I love that.
759
00:28:47,351 --> 00:28:48,852
- And that's
what got me thinking
760
00:28:48,852 --> 00:28:50,562
about the penny killings.
761
00:28:50,562 --> 00:28:53,482
We found the first victim
just a little under 300 days
762
00:28:53,482 --> 00:28:55,525
after the summoning ritual
was filmed.
763
00:28:55,525 --> 00:28:57,819
We knew Rich was aware
of the Malaphus legends.
764
00:28:57,819 --> 00:28:59,738
It was only natural
to link them.
765
00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:01,865
- So Rich thought the penny
victims were killed by people
766
00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:03,659
trying to stop Malaphus.
767
00:29:03,659 --> 00:29:05,953
Was he able to identify
any of these killers?
768
00:29:05,953 --> 00:29:07,162
- We know he tried.
769
00:29:08,538 --> 00:29:10,207
- Hi.
- Hey. How are you?
770
00:29:10,207 --> 00:29:12,584
Jared.
- Hello. Wow.
771
00:29:12,584 --> 00:29:15,212
Um, it's a--it's a pleasure
to meet you, gentlemen.
772
00:29:15,212 --> 00:29:16,630
- Pleasure to meet you too.
773
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:18,131
- Why don't you tell us
about yourselves?
774
00:29:18,131 --> 00:29:22,761
- Yeah, we, uh, co-starred
on a TV show together
775
00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,138
for 15 seasons
776
00:29:25,138 --> 00:29:26,890
called "Supernatural."
777
00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:29,059
- Yeah, we played Sam
and Dean Winchester,
778
00:29:29,059 --> 00:29:32,896
brothers that, you know,
tracked and fought
779
00:29:32,896 --> 00:29:34,856
supernatural beings.
780
00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:36,525
- Like "K-Pop Demon Hunters."
- No.
781
00:29:36,525 --> 00:29:37,818
No, not like that.
782
00:29:37,818 --> 00:29:39,653
- I mean, kind of like that.
783
00:29:39,653 --> 00:29:40,862
- No.
- Yeah.
784
00:29:40,862 --> 00:29:43,198
- OK, can you tell us
about your encounter
785
00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:44,992
with Rich Rowley?
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
786
00:29:44,992 --> 00:29:46,702
Rich Rowley.
787
00:29:46,702 --> 00:29:51,373
He came to a fan event we did
last year at MonsterCon.
788
00:29:51,373 --> 00:29:52,833
- Yeah, you know,
most people show up,
789
00:29:52,833 --> 00:29:57,045
and they just want
an autograph or a photo.
790
00:29:57,045 --> 00:30:00,632
But Rich was a bit of
a different beast altogether.
791
00:30:00,632 --> 00:30:02,843
- Yeah, yeah,
he was--he was super
792
00:30:02,843 --> 00:30:05,012
fixated on this one
particular episode
793
00:30:05,012 --> 00:30:07,389
where we fought a demon.
- Malaphus.
794
00:30:07,389 --> 00:30:09,558
- Yeah, uh, that one.
795
00:30:09,558 --> 00:30:14,104
Anyway he seemed to think
we, like, knew more
796
00:30:14,104 --> 00:30:15,939
about it than we were saying.
797
00:30:15,939 --> 00:30:16,690
- More about what?
798
00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:18,567
- Demon hunting.
799
00:30:18,567 --> 00:30:21,653
He kept, like, asking these
super pointed questions,
800
00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:23,864
like--like he was,
I don't know,
801
00:30:23,864 --> 00:30:25,032
testing us or something.
802
00:30:25,032 --> 00:30:27,242
- Did you have an answer?
- No.
803
00:30:27,242 --> 00:30:28,535
No, I mean, we didn't--
804
00:30:28,535 --> 00:30:30,162
we didn't come up
with these stories.
805
00:30:30,162 --> 00:30:31,830
You know, we just did
what the writers wrote.
806
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:33,373
It's called acting.
807
00:30:33,373 --> 00:30:35,584
There's no actual
demon hunters in real life.
808
00:30:35,584 --> 00:30:36,752
- Exactly.
809
00:30:36,752 --> 00:30:38,670
- Uh, that's not exactly true.
810
00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:40,839
There is at least one.
811
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:44,676
And it actually connected
to the movie.
812
00:30:44,676 --> 00:30:46,636
We heard the director
brought a priest named
813
00:30:46,636 --> 00:30:48,680
Father Simon McCabe
to bless the set
814
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,015
every day before filming.
815
00:30:50,015 --> 00:30:51,641
- Well, it was either that
or the whole crew
816
00:30:51,641 --> 00:30:53,226
was going to walk.
817
00:30:53,226 --> 00:30:56,355
- Does that name
mean anything to you?
818
00:30:56,355 --> 00:30:57,773
- About 15 years ago.
819
00:30:57,773 --> 00:31:00,233
Lopez and I had just finished
our rookie years.
820
00:31:00,233 --> 00:31:02,569
We responded to a call
at a house.
821
00:31:02,569 --> 00:31:05,113
Priest doing an exorcism
with a 16-year-old girl.
822
00:31:05,113 --> 00:31:06,239
Had been going on
for three days.
823
00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:09,076
- Father, no.
- [speaking Latin]
824
00:31:09,076 --> 00:31:11,828
- Police!
- [speaking Latin]
825
00:31:11,828 --> 00:31:13,455
- Help her!
826
00:31:13,455 --> 00:31:15,665
Please!
827
00:31:15,665 --> 00:31:17,793
- [screaming]
828
00:31:17,793 --> 00:31:21,088
- [speaking Latin]
829
00:31:21,088 --> 00:31:24,466
- Get away from her!
830
00:31:24,466 --> 00:31:28,220
- Father, forgive me.
831
00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:31,014
[ominous music]
832
00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:37,729
- Did you feel like
you'd seen the devil?
833
00:31:37,729 --> 00:31:38,939
- The only thing in that room
that belonged in hell
834
00:31:38,939 --> 00:31:42,109
was Father Simon.
- He kept saying he had to.
835
00:31:42,109 --> 00:31:44,444
The whole way to the station,
"I'm sorry, I had to.
836
00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:45,946
I'm sorry, I had to."
837
00:31:45,946 --> 00:31:47,823
- Because he believed
she was possessed?
838
00:31:47,823 --> 00:31:49,324
- She had a brain tumor.
839
00:31:49,324 --> 00:31:51,868
That's what they found
after the autopsy.
840
00:31:51,868 --> 00:31:53,912
She needed a doctor,
not an exorcism.
841
00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:56,414
And he wasn't a man of God.
He was a killer.
842
00:31:56,414 --> 00:31:58,125
- The courts agreed.
843
00:31:58,125 --> 00:32:01,044
So Father Simon was convicted
of first-degree murder.
844
00:32:01,044 --> 00:32:03,505
- When we processed him,
we found a penny in his pocket.
845
00:32:03,505 --> 00:32:05,090
Nothing else, just a penny.
846
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:06,424
It didn't mean anything
at the time,
847
00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:08,468
but after Rich connected
those seven murders,
848
00:32:08,468 --> 00:32:10,387
it seemed likely
he was involved.
849
00:32:10,387 --> 00:32:12,305
- Involved like,
he killed them?
850
00:32:12,305 --> 00:32:14,808
- No, Simon was already
in prison when five
851
00:32:14,808 --> 00:32:17,269
of the murders took place,
and his DNA didn't match
852
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:19,312
any that was found
on the corpses.
853
00:32:19,312 --> 00:32:21,481
But he could have been part
of whatever group
854
00:32:21,481 --> 00:32:23,358
Rich was so afraid of.
855
00:32:23,358 --> 00:32:25,610
- Which means he knew more
than he had told us.
856
00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:27,988
So we had to go back.
857
00:32:27,988 --> 00:32:30,782
- Officers, I remember you.
858
00:32:30,782 --> 00:32:32,617
You--you were the ones
who tried to stop the ritual.
859
00:32:32,617 --> 00:32:34,369
- Just wish we would
have gotten here sooner.
860
00:32:34,369 --> 00:32:35,912
Becca Scott
might still be alive.
861
00:32:35,912 --> 00:32:38,373
- Oh, she was long gone
before you arrived.
862
00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:40,792
The demon saw to that.
- Malaphus?
863
00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:42,377
- Shh.
864
00:32:42,377 --> 00:32:44,671
Do not say its name
in my presence.
865
00:32:44,671 --> 00:32:47,591
- What, are you afraid we
might accidentally summon it?
866
00:32:47,591 --> 00:32:50,302
- You may scorn me
and my beliefs,
867
00:32:50,302 --> 00:32:52,179
but I have fought this evil.
868
00:32:52,179 --> 00:32:54,347
I know enough
to fear its power.
869
00:32:54,347 --> 00:32:56,892
- What's more evil
than murdering a child?
870
00:32:56,892 --> 00:32:59,352
- I took no pleasure
in the act.
871
00:32:59,352 --> 00:33:01,062
I'm grateful I had the courage
to do what was necessary.
872
00:33:01,062 --> 00:33:02,647
- Courage?
873
00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:05,233
- Tell us about the penny
that was in your pocket.
874
00:33:05,233 --> 00:33:07,235
In the movie
"300 Days of Hell",
875
00:33:07,235 --> 00:33:09,321
Malaphus is sealed inside
his host with copper
876
00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:11,031
before he can be killed--
877
00:33:11,031 --> 00:33:13,116
- Uh, banished, not killed.
878
00:33:13,116 --> 00:33:14,868
- What's the difference?
879
00:33:14,868 --> 00:33:18,038
- The demon is a parasite.
880
00:33:18,038 --> 00:33:19,581
It needs a host.
881
00:33:19,581 --> 00:33:21,374
Once you kill the body
that inhabits it,
882
00:33:21,374 --> 00:33:23,210
it'll find a new one.
883
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:27,047
Becca Scott was just a single
battle in a larger war.
884
00:33:27,047 --> 00:33:31,384
- If you're in here,
who's doing the fighting now?
885
00:33:31,384 --> 00:33:33,678
- The Knights of Avila.
886
00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:35,680
- Los Angeles
has a long history
887
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,266
of spiritualism,
esoteric religions
888
00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:39,851
that go back over 100 years.
889
00:33:39,851 --> 00:33:42,729
So think Aleister Crowley,
Jack Parsons,
890
00:33:42,729 --> 00:33:44,731
L. Ron Hubbard.
- He freaking loves this stuff.
891
00:33:44,731 --> 00:33:46,316
- I do.
892
00:33:46,316 --> 00:33:48,276
Anyway, a lot of these groups
started out
893
00:33:48,276 --> 00:33:50,987
as fraternal orders,
similar to the Freemasons,
894
00:33:50,987 --> 00:33:52,948
where people would gather
and--and--share--
895
00:33:52,948 --> 00:33:54,241
- Men.
- Well, yeah.
896
00:33:54,241 --> 00:33:56,701
Yes, and--
and some women.
897
00:33:56,701 --> 00:33:59,829
And they would share new ideas,
explore philosophies.
898
00:33:59,829 --> 00:34:02,916
- They also liked partying,
doing drugs,
899
00:34:02,916 --> 00:34:05,502
and performing
weird sex rituals.
900
00:34:05,502 --> 00:34:08,129
- [laughs] Sign me up.
901
00:34:08,129 --> 00:34:11,507
For the intellectual exchanging
of ideas, obviously.
902
00:34:11,507 --> 00:34:12,926
- So the Knights of Avila
is one of these groups?
903
00:34:12,926 --> 00:34:14,678
- It was.
904
00:34:14,678 --> 00:34:16,304
Like a lot of the similar
organizations at the time,
905
00:34:16,304 --> 00:34:17,847
it fell apart
when the founder died.
906
00:34:17,847 --> 00:34:18,931
It hasn't been active in--
907
00:34:18,931 --> 00:34:20,641
60 years?
908
00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:22,561
- Then what was
Father Simon talking about?
909
00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:25,563
- Based on Tim and Lopez's
conversation with Father Simon,
910
00:34:25,563 --> 00:34:27,399
we began to believe
that the group,
911
00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:29,859
or at least the name,
912
00:34:29,859 --> 00:34:32,362
had been revived
sometime in the late '90s
913
00:34:32,362 --> 00:34:35,239
to the early 2000s
and re-branded
914
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,159
as some kind of
demon hunting cult.
915
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,495
- So Rich was actually right.
916
00:34:40,495 --> 00:34:42,664
There was a murderous cabal
after him.
917
00:34:42,664 --> 00:34:43,956
- It seemed that way,
918
00:34:43,956 --> 00:34:46,083
and we were getting close
919
00:34:46,083 --> 00:34:48,295
to discovering
who their ringleader was.
920
00:34:48,295 --> 00:34:51,214
- [screaming]
- I found him.
921
00:34:51,214 --> 00:34:53,466
- Found who?
- Doug Roberts.
922
00:34:53,466 --> 00:34:55,510
- I wanna feel
the life draining from him!
923
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:57,137
- Oh, you mean the director
of the sad little demon porn?
924
00:34:57,137 --> 00:34:58,513
Where?
925
00:34:58,513 --> 00:35:00,098
- I was going through
some old industry trades
926
00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:02,642
from around the time "THDOH"
was slated to come out.
927
00:35:02,642 --> 00:35:04,853
One of the articles
mentioned that Roberts
928
00:35:04,853 --> 00:35:06,021
was a client
of Stewart Winecliff
929
00:35:06,021 --> 00:35:07,647
at the Golden Talent Agency.
930
00:35:07,647 --> 00:35:09,274
- The guy hasn't made
a movie in 26 years.
931
00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:10,567
I doubt they still rep him.
932
00:35:10,567 --> 00:35:12,527
- Not actively, no.
933
00:35:12,527 --> 00:35:14,404
But I called their offices,
and I bribed--
934
00:35:14,404 --> 00:35:16,573
or like, I talked one of
the assistants into giving me
935
00:35:16,573 --> 00:35:18,283
the address where
his residual checks are sent.
936
00:35:18,283 --> 00:35:19,868
It's downtown.
Let's go.
937
00:35:19,868 --> 00:35:21,578
- Uh, hold on.
938
00:35:21,578 --> 00:35:23,038
You just wanna go
doorstep the guy?
939
00:35:23,038 --> 00:35:24,289
- If that means
go knock on a door
940
00:35:24,289 --> 00:35:25,915
while also filming, then yes.
941
00:35:25,915 --> 00:35:28,126
- Yeah, I'm not in the business
of gotcha journalism.
942
00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:31,212
- What about the business
of making that paper?
943
00:35:31,212 --> 00:35:32,714
The guap?
944
00:35:32,714 --> 00:35:34,591
Money, guy.
945
00:35:34,591 --> 00:35:36,843
Come on, the doc business
is over-saturated these days.
946
00:35:36,843 --> 00:35:39,387
We need footage
that P-O-Ps,
947
00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:40,847
and what pops more
than blindsiding
948
00:35:40,847 --> 00:35:43,350
a potential cult leader?
949
00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:44,392
Come on.
950
00:35:44,392 --> 00:35:46,019
What's the worst
that could happen?
951
00:35:46,019 --> 00:35:47,562
[suspenseful music]
952
00:35:47,562 --> 00:35:50,190
This is it.
- OK.
953
00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:52,025
- Um, here.
Here's your camera.
954
00:35:52,025 --> 00:35:53,902
- Um, I don't operate.
955
00:35:53,902 --> 00:35:54,986
- Oh, well.
956
00:35:54,986 --> 00:35:57,781
♪ ♪
957
00:35:57,781 --> 00:36:01,326
[camera beeps]
Now, you do.
958
00:36:01,326 --> 00:36:03,620
Let's go.
959
00:36:03,620 --> 00:36:06,206
- What floor is it on?
- Eight.
960
00:36:06,206 --> 00:36:08,625
But there's an elevator.
Don't worry.
961
00:36:08,625 --> 00:36:11,419
[panting]
962
00:36:14,506 --> 00:36:17,676
- Are you sure it's that way?
- Yep.
963
00:36:17,676 --> 00:36:19,302
Nope.
964
00:36:19,302 --> 00:36:22,722
- You know, at the risk of
being called a scaredy cat,
965
00:36:22,722 --> 00:36:24,724
you do understand
that this is inherently
966
00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:27,268
neither a wise
nor safe activity?
967
00:36:27,268 --> 00:36:29,479
- You're asking a woman
if she understands
968
00:36:29,479 --> 00:36:33,108
that it's inherently dangerous
to go anywhere or do anything?
969
00:36:33,108 --> 00:36:35,985
- When you put it that way,
I sound like an ass.
970
00:36:35,985 --> 00:36:37,070
- Yeah.
971
00:36:37,070 --> 00:36:39,697
[indistinct muffled speech]
972
00:36:39,697 --> 00:36:41,241
Maybe we should come back?
973
00:36:41,241 --> 00:36:43,660
- [knocking]
Hey. Hello.
974
00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:45,412
Douglas Roberts,
we're here to question you
975
00:36:45,412 --> 00:36:47,622
about murders and demons.
976
00:36:47,622 --> 00:36:49,874
That should get his attention.
977
00:36:49,874 --> 00:36:51,501
Oh.
978
00:36:51,501 --> 00:36:53,878
I am just an intern.
979
00:36:58,758 --> 00:37:02,345
- So clearly we're not
deceased, which means--
980
00:37:02,345 --> 00:37:03,930
- We saved you
from certain death.
981
00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:05,348
- I'm not sure
how certain it was, right?
982
00:37:05,348 --> 00:37:06,975
- Oh, it felt
pretty certain to me.
983
00:37:06,975 --> 00:37:08,393
- Please don't kill us.
984
00:37:08,393 --> 00:37:09,894
We will join your cult.
Is there a membership fee
985
00:37:09,894 --> 00:37:11,521
or a secret handshake?
986
00:37:11,521 --> 00:37:12,772
I love a secret handshake.
- Ignore her.
987
00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:14,274
She's not right in the head.
988
00:37:14,274 --> 00:37:16,067
In fact, she has
short-term memory issues.
989
00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:17,861
So if you let her go now,
she won't remember any of this.
990
00:37:17,861 --> 00:37:19,654
- Just shut up.
No one's going anywhere.
991
00:37:19,654 --> 00:37:20,905
- I mean, technically,
we're all going somewhere.
992
00:37:20,905 --> 00:37:25,493
[sirens blaring]
993
00:37:25,493 --> 00:37:27,912
- All right, let them go.
Put your hands up.
994
00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:31,541
Up against the Jeep, now.
Let's go.
995
00:37:31,541 --> 00:37:34,544
[dramatic music]
996
00:37:34,544 --> 00:37:36,337
♪ ♪
997
00:37:36,337 --> 00:37:38,590
- Oh, hey.
998
00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:41,176
Thanks for trying to save me,
even though
999
00:37:41,176 --> 00:37:42,969
I'm the one
who put us in danger.
1000
00:37:42,969 --> 00:37:44,679
- No problem.
1001
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:46,681
- I was about to do
the same thing, but you just
1002
00:37:46,681 --> 00:37:48,224
beat me to it.
1003
00:37:48,224 --> 00:37:50,435
I can be noble, too.
- No doubt.
1004
00:37:50,435 --> 00:37:52,645
- Uh,
I get very claustrophobic.
1005
00:37:52,645 --> 00:37:54,731
Can I just point out how
claustrophobic I get, please?
1006
00:37:54,731 --> 00:37:57,150
- So when did you
and Douglas meet?
1007
00:37:57,150 --> 00:37:58,485
- In the movie.
1008
00:37:58,485 --> 00:38:02,238
He was, you know,
so commanding and driven
1009
00:38:02,238 --> 00:38:04,115
and everything I wasn't.
1010
00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:06,284
- When did he start talking
about killing the demon?
1011
00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:08,578
- It was, uh, at least
a year after that.
1012
00:38:08,578 --> 00:38:11,247
He would call me late at night
1013
00:38:11,247 --> 00:38:13,333
and talk about the demon
and how scared
1014
00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:14,876
he was for the world,
1015
00:38:14,876 --> 00:38:17,504
and eventually
it started to make sense.
1016
00:38:17,504 --> 00:38:20,673
- And he told you that
someone was possessed?
1017
00:38:20,673 --> 00:38:22,634
- Correct.
Her name was Cynthia.
1018
00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:24,302
Um,
1019
00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:27,180
she cried when I tied her up,
and she kept saying
1020
00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:29,599
that she was not a demon.
1021
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:31,392
She begged me
to believe her, and--
1022
00:38:35,605 --> 00:38:38,817
At that point,
he was very deep in my head.
1023
00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:41,236
And then tonight,
you know, all the lies
1024
00:38:41,236 --> 00:38:43,404
he was spewing at the end,
1025
00:38:43,404 --> 00:38:45,240
it was like somebody
turned on a light switch.
1026
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,867
I could just see him
for who he was.
1027
00:38:47,867 --> 00:38:49,452
So pathetic.
1028
00:38:52,455 --> 00:38:54,999
- We'll need you to write up
a detailed confession.
1029
00:38:59,712 --> 00:39:01,464
- I would like to make a deal.
1030
00:39:03,174 --> 00:39:05,760
- Uh, we have already located
your co-conspirators.
1031
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,930
You don't really have
anything to offer.
1032
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:12,058
- You don't want to know what
an alien spaceship looks like?
1033
00:39:12,058 --> 00:39:13,726
[eerie music]
1034
00:39:13,726 --> 00:39:17,480
- I am all that stands between
the world
1035
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,065
and damnation.
1036
00:39:19,065 --> 00:39:20,942
- So all of the people
that you had targeted,
1037
00:39:20,942 --> 00:39:24,737
they had to die
for the greater good?
1038
00:39:24,737 --> 00:39:28,491
- Yes, and my heart breaks
for each of them.
1039
00:39:28,491 --> 00:39:31,536
But I will not let innocents
fall to perdition.
1040
00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:33,663
- OK, have you had
your fill of BS?
1041
00:39:33,663 --> 00:39:34,831
- God, yes.
1042
00:39:34,831 --> 00:39:35,915
- OK, me, too.
1043
00:39:35,915 --> 00:39:40,295
So, uh, first victim,
Cynthia Green.
1044
00:39:40,295 --> 00:39:42,547
You dated for two years
before she cheated on you.
1045
00:39:42,547 --> 00:39:45,508
Marcus Ford, he worked as
a teamster on your movie,
1046
00:39:45,508 --> 00:39:48,303
then later sued you
for nonpayment.
1047
00:39:48,303 --> 00:39:52,557
Pamela Jones wrote a scathing
review of your movie.
1048
00:39:52,557 --> 00:39:53,725
- Really? I--
1049
00:39:53,725 --> 00:39:55,810
I had no idea.
1050
00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:59,188
- All seven victims were people
who wronged you in some way.
1051
00:39:59,188 --> 00:40:01,065
You don't even believe
in the demon.
1052
00:40:01,065 --> 00:40:03,109
You just used it as a tool
to get people with weak minds
1053
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:04,986
to do your dirty work for you.
1054
00:40:07,113 --> 00:40:08,907
- Exactly.
1055
00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:10,533
I was the director.
1056
00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:12,827
I think you'll find
I never laid a finger
1057
00:40:12,827 --> 00:40:14,662
on any of the victims.
1058
00:40:14,662 --> 00:40:18,124
- And I think you will find
that Manson died in prison.
1059
00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:20,293
♪ ♪
1060
00:40:20,293 --> 00:40:21,836
- All right.
1061
00:40:21,836 --> 00:40:23,338
Uh, anything else?
1062
00:40:23,338 --> 00:40:25,256
- No, I think
we got everything.
1063
00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,383
- OK.
1064
00:40:27,383 --> 00:40:29,719
That was a crazy one, huh?
- Tell me about it.
1065
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,888
And look, thanks so much
for all of your time,
1066
00:40:31,888 --> 00:40:33,514
and for saving our lives.
1067
00:40:33,514 --> 00:40:35,058
- Anything for
my favorite documentarian.
1068
00:40:35,058 --> 00:40:36,351
Actually, the only
documentarian I know.
1069
00:40:36,351 --> 00:40:37,435
- Not true.
1070
00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:39,646
I'm a documentarian too.
- Of course.
1071
00:40:39,646 --> 00:40:42,523
Yes--oh, speaking of,
how did this whole
1072
00:40:42,523 --> 00:40:44,525
working together thing go?
1073
00:40:44,525 --> 00:40:46,778
Is this the start of
a beautiful friendship?
1074
00:40:46,778 --> 00:40:48,488
- I don't know.
1075
00:40:48,488 --> 00:40:50,198
I mean, we have
very different styles
1076
00:40:50,198 --> 00:40:52,700
and instincts and, well,
basically everything,
1077
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:55,161
but I'd be open
to another collaboration.
1078
00:40:57,330 --> 00:41:00,416
- Oh, um, it's just I--
1079
00:41:00,416 --> 00:41:03,544
I kind of signed an exclusive
three-film deal with Hulu?
1080
00:41:03,544 --> 00:41:05,630
- What?
1081
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:07,382
- Yeah, I--I sent them
a sizzle reel of this project,
1082
00:41:07,382 --> 00:41:10,259
just the me parts,
and they freaked.
1083
00:41:10,259 --> 00:41:11,969
Said I'm gonna be
"the new face of true crime."
1084
00:41:11,969 --> 00:41:13,554
Their words.
- Wow.
1085
00:41:13,554 --> 00:41:15,932
I mean, you'd probably be able
to bring him along,
1086
00:41:15,932 --> 00:41:16,975
though, right?
1087
00:41:16,975 --> 00:41:19,894
- Oh, totally.
Totally.
1088
00:41:19,894 --> 00:41:21,771
[phone buzzes]
1089
00:41:21,771 --> 00:41:25,483
I gotta go, but thanks again.
Hello.
1090
00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:28,152
No, I said Toronto
and then Cannes.
1091
00:41:28,152 --> 00:41:30,113
[quirky orchestral music]
1092
00:41:30,113 --> 00:41:32,115
- She'll probably call you.
1093
00:41:32,115 --> 00:41:33,116
- No.
1094
00:41:33,116 --> 00:41:34,200
♪ ♪
1095
00:41:38,121 --> 00:41:41,124
[upbeat music]
1096
00:41:41,124 --> 00:41:48,172
♪ ♪
1097
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,196
- Damn it.
81006
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