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>> I LIVED IN FEAR EVERY DAY.
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WHAT I WOULD FACE.
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>> YEAH, I WAS SCARED.
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DID I THINK SOMETHING MIGHT
HAPPEN?
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YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN MONEY'S
INVOLVED.
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THIS IS BUSINESS.
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>> IT'S DAVID VERSUS GOLIATH.
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>> IT'S A HUGE CORPORATION.
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THE INTIMIDATION IS THERE.
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IT'S THE FEAR FACTOR EVERYBODY
FEEDS ON.
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>> WHAT WOULD YOU DO WHEN
SOMETHING JUST FEELS WRONG?
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>> I WAS A DENTIST, AND I SAW
UNNECESSARY PROCEDURES, CHILDREN
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BEING TRAUMATIZED.
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I WAS STRESSED TO MY EYEBALLS.
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>> WHEN YOU FEAR PEOPLE COULD
GET HURT?
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>> I WOULD HEAR CHILDREN CRYING
AT WORK, ALL DAY.
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>> Reporter: DO YOU BELIEVE THAT
THE STRESS FROM WORKING AT KOOL
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SMILES BROKE UP YOUR MARRIAGE?
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>> MOST DEFINITELY.
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IT IS GOING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING
ABOUT YOU.
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>> THEY'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF
LITTLE KIDS.
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THEY WERE DOING BABY ROOT CANALS
ON TEETH THAT COULD'VE HAD
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REGULAR FILLINGS.
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IT WAS MONEY.
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IT WAS PRODUCTION.
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>> 911, WHAT IS YOUR EMERGENCY?
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>> WE HAVE A CHILD THAT IS NON-
RESPONSIVE.
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>> WOULD YOU BLOW THE WHISTLE?
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THESE PEOPLE DID.
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>> I AM DR. MICHAEL GREENWALD.
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>> I'M DR. RAI.
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>> I AM A WHISTLEBLOWER.
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>> AND I'M A WHISTLEBLOWER.
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>> I AM MYCHAL WILSON, AND I AM
A WHISTLEBLOWER.
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I WAS A PHARMACEUTICAL SALES REP
FOR BRISTOL-MYERS SQUIBB, AND I
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WITNESSED VARIOUS FORMS OF FRAUD
SUCH AS KICKBACKS IN EXCHANGE
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FOR PRESCRIPTIONS.
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>> Reporter: DO YOU THINK
PATIENTS WERE PUT AT RISK BY
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THIS PROCEDURE?
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>> COMPLETELY.
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>> THEY USED THE LAW, GOING
UNDERCOVER...
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>> I SAVED DOCUMENTS, AND I KEPT
THEM IN MY STORAGE UNIT.
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WHEN SOMEONE'S DOCUMENTING YOU,
YOU SHOULD DOCUMENT THEM.
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THIS IS THE HOT DOC BOX,
EVIDENCE WHICH WOULD LATER
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BECOME VALUABLE EVIDENCE.
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>> ...PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE
LINE.
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>> I BECAME SO PARANOID THAT I
STARTED CHECKING UNDER THE HOOD
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OF MY CAR.
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>> FOR THE FEW WHO WIN, THE
REWARDS CAN BE STAGGERING.
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>> I CAN SAY IT WAS A
MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR AWARD.
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>> BUT THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES.
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>> I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE GO INTO
BANKRUPTCY.
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THEY GET BLACKLISTED.
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IT'S VERY STRESSFUL.
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>> I ALWAYS KNEW WHAT I WAS
DOING WAS RIGHT, AND I ALWAYS
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KNEW THAT WHAT THEY WERE DOING
WAS WRONG.
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>> THEIR BIGGEST MISTAKE
WAS HIRING ME.
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>> Reporter: I'M ALEX FERRER.
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THIS IS "WHITLEBLOWER."
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WHAT'S THE LAST THING YOU
IMAGINE WOULD EVER HAPPEN WHEN
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YOU TAKE YOUR KID TO THE
DENTIST?
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MEET DR. MICHAEL GREENWALD, A
SUCCESSFUL CONNECTICUT DENTIST
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WHO SOLD HIS PRACTICE AND WENT
TRAVELING.
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>> THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER
ON THE OTHER SIDE.
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>> Reporter: YOU HAD YOUR FILL
OF ADVENTURE.
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>> OH, LORD, IF I SAW ANOTHER
PALM TREE, I SWEAR I'D GO CRAZY.
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>> Reporter: AN ONLINE JOB
POSTING CAUGHT HIS EYE.
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>> HEY, IN CASE YOU DIDN'T
ALREADY KNOW, KOOL SMILES IS AN
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AWESOME FAMILY DENTIST!
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>> KOOL SMILES!
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>> Reporter: KOOL SMILES IS A
MASSIVE, NATIONWIDE CORPORATION
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WITH MORE THAN 120 CLINICS
CATERING TO KIDS.
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>> KOOL SMILES TYPICALLY
TARGETED THOSE THAT ARE
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RECIPIENTS OF MEDICAID.
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IT IS AN INSURANCE THAT PROVIDES
COVERAGE FOR A POPULATION THAT
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OTHERWISE COULDN'T SEEK
COVERAGE.
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IT'S FANTASTIC.
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I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST, WOW, THIS
IS A GREAT IDEA.
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WE'RE TREATING CHILDREN.
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THEY'RE UNDERSERVED.
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WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME GOOD.
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>> Reporter: HE TOOK THE JOB,
AND REALITY HIT.
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SO, WHAT IS YOUR FIRST
IMPRESSION WHEN YOU START
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WORKING AT KOOL SMILES?
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>> FIRST IMPRESSION?
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PRODUCTION.
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>> Reporter: LIKE A MILL?
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>> LIKE A MILL.
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IT'S CHICKEN NUGGETS GETTING
PRODUCED DOWN A CONVEYOR BELT.
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I THINK THE SETTING WAS
CONTROLLED CHAOS.
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>> Reporter: HE SAYS CORPORATE
OWNERS DICTATED THE WORK TO BE
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DONE.
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>> I'D LISTEN TO WHAT THEY'D
RECOMMEND IN TERMS OF TREATMENT,
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AND IT RUBBED ME THE WRONG WAY.
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"INSTEAD OF DOING ONE FILLING,
WE WANT YOU TO GO TO TOWN AND DO
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EVERYTHING.
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IF NOT EVERYTHING IN THE ENTIRE
MOUTH, AT LEAST THE ENTIRE LEFT-
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HAND SIDE OR THE ENTIRE RIGHT-
HAND SIDE, TOP AND BOTTOM."
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IT'S PRETTY AGGRESSIVE
TREATMENT, ESPECIALLY FOR A
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LITTLE FIVE- OR SIX-YEAR-OLD.
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>> Reporter: DR. GREENWALD SAYS
KOOL SMILES TREATMENTS WEREN'T
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JUST AGGRESSIVE, THEY WERE
EXCESSIVE.
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HE SAYS DENTISTS REGULARLY
PERFORMED UNNECESSARY TOOTH
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EXTRACTIONS AND ROOT CANALS ON
BABY TEETH.
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AND THEN, THERE ARE STAINLESS
STEEL CROWNS LIKE THESE WHICH
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COST US ABOUT $4 A PIECE.
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THEY WERE A HIGH-PROFIT ITEM FOR
KOOL SMILES.
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GREENWALD SAYS DENTISTS THERE
PUT WAY TOO MANY OF THEM ON
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TEETH THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY FALL
OUT ON THEIR OWN.
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HERE'S HOW IT WORKED.
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>> YOU HAVE SOME BABY TEETH,
PEDIATRIC TEETH, THAT HAVE JUST
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A LITTLE PINHOLE INTO THE
ENAMEL, THE HARD SURFACE OF THE
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TOOTH.
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>> Reporter: A CAVITY.
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>> YEAH, A TEENY LITTLE CAVITY.
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AND, ON MEDICAID, A SMALL,
SILVER FILLING, A GENERAL
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PRACTICE MIGHT GET REIMBURSED
$35, $45.
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BUT ON A METAL CROWN, MAYBE
CLOSE TO $250, $300.
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>> Reporter: AND A ROOT CANAL?
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>> ADD ANOTHER $150.
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SO, EACH TOOTH WENT FROM A $30,
$40 FILLING TO A $500 GAIN.
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>> Reporter: EXPECTATIONS: DO AS
MUCH WORK AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE
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THE SUITS AT KOOL SMILES ASSUMED
MEDICAID PATIENTS WOULDN'T BE
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COMING BACK ANYTIME SOON.
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>> THEY'D SAY, "WELL, THIS MAY
BE YOUR ONLY CHANCE OF TREATING
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THE CHILD, SO, ACTUALLY, WE'RE
DOING THEM A FAVOR BY
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PREEMPTIVELY TREATING THAT TOOTH
BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT SEEK
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TREATMENT AGAIN FOR ANOTHER FIVE
YEARS."
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>> Reporter: UNLIKE DR.
GREENWALD, WHO HAD 30 YEARS OF
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DENTISTRY UNDER HIS BELT, KOOL
SMILES RECRUITS WERE MOSTLY
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YOUNG, INEXPERIENCED DENTISTS,
RECENT IMMIGRANTS.
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DR. RAI WAS ONE OF THEM.
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>> I HAD A RECRUITER CALL ME,
AND I WAS LOOKING FOR A JOB AT
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THAT TIME.
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I WAS STRUGGLING TO FIND A
POSITION.
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>> Reporter: AND WHAT DID YOU
LIKE ABOUT THE OFFER?
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>> THEY SAID THEY DID NOT NEED
ANY EXPERIENCE, AND THAT THEY
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WILL TRAIN US.
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IT WAS A DREAM JOB.
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>> Reporter: WHAT DID THEY OFFER
YOU AS A STARTING SALARY?
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>> THE TOTAL PACKAGE WAS
$180,000.
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I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A SMALL,
LITTLE SHOT THERE.
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IS THAT OKAY?
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>> Reporter: WITH A NEW BABY AT
HOME AND A MOUNTAIN OF STUDENT
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DEBT, DR. RAI PACKED HER BAGS
AND SHIPPED OFF TO AMARILLO,
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TEXAS.
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HOW BIG WERE YOUR STUDENT LOANS
WHEN YOU GOT OUT OF DENTAL
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SCHOOL?
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>> I HAD AROUND $250,000.
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>> Reporter: THAT'S LIKE A
MORTGAGE.
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>> YES, MORE THAN THAT.
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JUST THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE
TO PRACTICE AND BE ABLE TO
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SUPPORT MY FAMILY WAS MOST
IMPORTANT TO ME.
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>> Reporter: BUT IT WAS A DEAL
WITH THE DEVIL.
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>> YOU HAVE A REPORT CARD THAT
SHOWS THAT... HOW MUCH YOU'RE
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PERFORMING, HOW MUCH PER PATIENT
YOU'RE PRODUCING.
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AND YOU KNOWTHE COMPENSATION OF
EACH PROCEDURE.
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IT DOESAFFECT THE MEDICAL
JUDGMENT.
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>> Reporter: THOSE REPORT CARDS
WERE COLOR-CODED-- GREEN FOR
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PRODUCTIVE DENTISTS, RED FOR
THOSE WHO FAILED TO HIT THEIR
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NUMBERS.
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>> THEY WOULD PUT UP TARGET
SHEETS SAYING, "LAST WEEK, YOU
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PRODUCED $5,000 ON MONDAY.
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THIS COMING WEEK, WE'D LIKE YOU
TO PRODUCE $6,000."
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IF THEY DIDN'T MEET THE NUMBERS,
THEY WERE OUT THE DOOR.
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THIS WAS PURELY PRODUCTION.
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THIS WAS CHASING A BONUS.
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AND...
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>> Reporter: "CHASING A BONUS"
BECAUSE THE DENTISTS WERE PAID
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ACCORDING TO HOW THEY WORKED?
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>> YES.
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AND I WAS WATCHING SOME OF THE
DENTISTS GETTING $5,000 TO
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$10,000 A MONTH IN PRODUCTION
BONUS.
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>> [ BABY CRYING]
>> Reporter: TAKE A LOOK AT
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THIS.
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KOOL SMILES USED A TYPE OF THESE
SO-CALLED PAPOOSE BOARDS THAT
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COULD POTENTIALLY CAUSE PHYSICAL
OR PSYCHOLOGICAL HARM.
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KOOL SMILES SAYS THEY WERE USED
IN ONLY 1.5% OF CASES, BUT DR.
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GREENWALD AND OTHER WHISTLE-
BLOWERS DISAGREE AND SAY KOOL
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SMILES USED THEM MUCH MORE THAN
NECESSARY.
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>> IMAGINE A BURRITO MADE OF
VELCRO.
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IT'S A LONG, NARROW BOARD THAT
HAS FABRIC COMING FROM BOTH
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SIDES.
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THE CHILD, IN ORDER TO MANAGE
THEM, IS LAID DOWN ON THE BOARD,
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AND THE TWO SHEETS OF VELCRO ARE
FOLDED OVER.
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AND AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE SORT
OF, LIKE, MUMMIFIED.
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>> Reporter: HAVE YOU EVER USED
IT?
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>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
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NO.
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>> Reporter: I HEAR THAT KOOL
SMILES HAD HAIR DRYERS AVAILABLE
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IN THEIR TREATMENT ROOMS FOR
PATIENTS.
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CAN YOU TELL ME WHY THEY WOULD
HAVE HAIR DRYERS?
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>> SMALL CHILDREN IN A PANIC
STAGE, IT'S NOT UNKNOWN FOR THEM
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TO OFTENTIMES URINATE
THEMSELVES.
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HAIRDRYER WAS THERE TO DRY THEM
OFF.
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>> Reporter: GREENWALD SAYS
WHILE THE USE OF HAIR DRYERS AND
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PAPOOSE BOARDS WAS QUESTIONABLE,
HIS BIG FEAR WAS THAT SOMEONE
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WOULD REALLY GET HURT.
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THE STAKES COULD NOT HAVE BEEN
HIGHER.
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>> 911, WHAT IS THE ADDRESS OF
YOUR EMERGENCY?
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>> I'M AT KOOL SMILES.
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>> YOU NEED POLICE OR MEDICAL?
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>> MEDICAL.
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>> Reporter: DR. MICHAEL
GREENWALD SAYS DEMANDS AT KOOL
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SMILES WERE DANGEROUS, DENTISTS
TREATING CHILDREN IN ASSEMBLY
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LINE FASHION.
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>> THE FASTER YOU WORK, THE
SLOPPIER YOU CAN GET, AND YOU
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RUN THE RISK OF INJURING THE
CHILD.
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MAYBE SLIPPING WITH THE HIGH-
SPEED DRILL, CUTTING THEIR
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CHEEK, CUTTING THEIR TONGUE.
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>> I THOUGHT THERE WAS NO ENDING
TO THIS.
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I FELT LIKE A SLAVE, AND
HUMILIATED EVERYDAY.
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>> Reporter: DR. RAI SAYS KOOL
SMILES REQUIRED ITS NEW
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EMPLOYEES TO SIGN AN IRON-CLAD
EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT THAT MADE IT
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ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO
QUIT.
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>> IF I BREAK OUT OF MY
CONTRACT, I CAN'T JUST LEAVE
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BECAUSE THEY'LL SUE US.
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IT'S A HUGE CORPORATION WITH
LAWYERS.
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THE INTIMIDATION IS THERE.
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WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY THEM $500 A
DAY IF WE LEFT.
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>> Reporter: $500 EVERY DAY?
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>> EVERY DAY FOR 60 DAYS IF I
DIDN'T GIVE THEM THE NOTICE.
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IT'S THE FEAR FACTOR EVERYBODY
FEEDS ON.
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>> Reporter: HOW DID THAT AFFECT
YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS?
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>> IT'S ALREADY HURT ME AND MY
LOVED ONES, SO I'VE BEEN IN MY
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OWN HEALING PHASE RIGHT NOW.
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IT HAS AFFECTED PROFOUNDLY.
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>> Reporter: DR. RAI FINALLY
BUCKLED UNDER THE PRESSURE TO
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HIT HER DAILY QUOTAS.
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AFTER LESS THAN TWO YEARS AT
KOOL SMILES, SHE GAVE HER
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NOTICE.
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SHE WANTED OUT.
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BUT BEFORE THAT TIME WAS UP, DR.
RAI STOOD HER GROUND.
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SHE OBJECTED TO THE DECISION TO
CLEAN A CHILD'S TEETH BECAUSE
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SHE SAYS HE HAD A SERIOUS
INJURY.
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>> HE WAS BIT BY A PIT BULL JUST
A WEEK BEFORE, AND THE CHILD
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COULD NOT OPEN THEIR MOUTH.
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THIS CHILD HAD STITCHES
EXTERNALLY AND INTERNALLY, AND I
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COULDN'T DO AN EXAM ON THE
CHILD.
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AND THEN, I DISMISSED THE
PATIENT.
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>> Reporter: DID YOU GET SOME
BLOWBACK FROM KOOL SMILES
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BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T CONTINUE WITH
TREATING THE PATIENT AND BILLING
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FOR IT?
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>> YES.
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THE HYGIENIST WENT AND
COMPLAINED.
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I WAS LET GO ON THAT DAY.
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>> Reporter: DR. RAI'S LIFELONG
DREAM TO BE A DENTIST WAS
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COLLAPSING.
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SHE FELT LIKE A FAILURE.
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HER MARRIAGE WAS IMPLODING.
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DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE STRESS
FROM WORKING AT KOOL SMILES
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BROKE UP YOUR MARRIAGE?
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>> YES.
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MOST DEFINITELY.
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>> Reporter: NOW A SINGLE MOM
WITHOUT A JOB, DR. RAI WAS IN
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SURVIVAL MODE.
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SHE FOUND PART-TIME WORK AS A
DENTIST BUT WAS HAUNTED BY THE
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MISTREATMENT OF THE KIDS SHE SAW
AT KOOL SMILES.
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>> I WAS NOT HAPPY.
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I USED TO BE A VERY PATIENT
PERSON.
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I WOULD NOT SNAP.
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I STARTED SNAPPING.
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>> Reporter: SHE WAS DETERMINED
TO TAKE ACTION AND TURNED TO A
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LAWYER FOR HELP.
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ATTORNEY DAN MILLER TOLD HER SHE
HAD A STRONG CASE AS A
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WHISTLEBLOWER.
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IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, WHAT IS A
WHISTLEBLOWER SUIT?
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>> WHISTLEBLOWER SUIT IS A
MATTER IN WHICH A PERSON WHO HAS
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INSIDE INFORMATION ABOUT A FRAUD
COMES FORWARD AND ON BEHALF OF
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THE GOVERNMENT, AND THEY SEEK TO
GET THE GOVERNMENT'S MONEY BACK
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BY SUING THE FRAUDSTER.
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>> Reporter: GIVE ME THE SPIEL
THAT YOU WOULD GIVE TO A CLIENT
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WHO IS A PROSPECTIVE
WHISTLEBLOWER WITH YOU.
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>> WE WOULD CAUTION THE PERSON
OF THE RISKS OF BEING A
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WHISTLEBLOWER.
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IT CAN COST THEM THEIR CAREER.
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IT'S VERYSTRESSFUL.
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AND THE WHISTLEBLOWER, THEY CAN
BE SUED BY THEIR EX-EMPLOYER.
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>> Reporter: DR. RAI STILL HAD
STUDENT LOANS AND KNEW THAT
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STANDING UP TO A MULTIMILLION-
DOLLAR CORPORATION LIKE KOOL
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SMILES COULD END HER CAREER.
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BUT SHE WAS WILLING TO TAKE THE
RISK.
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>> THE CORPORATE DENTISTS, THEY
MAY SEE YOU AS A TRAITOR.
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YOU MAY LOSE FRIENDS FOR NOT
SHARING THIS INFORMATION.
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ONCE THIS EXPERIENCE HAS
HAPPENED, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE
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IT WITH YOU THROUGHOUT YOUR
LIFE.
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IT IS GOING TO CHANGE YOU.
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IT IS GOING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING
ABOUT YOU.
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SO, EITHER YOU CAN DO SOMETHING
ABOUT IT OR YOU CAN KEEP THE
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EXPERIENCE WITHIN YOURSELF.
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YOU STILL HAVE A CHANCE IF YOU
COME FORWARD.
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>> Reporter: BY THE TIME DR. RAI
FILED HER WHISTLEBLOWER LAWSUIT
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IN TEXAS, DR. GREENWALD HAD
ALREADY GATHERED THE GOODS ON
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KOOL SMILES.
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>> THANK GOD FOR TECHNOLOGY.
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I COULD LOOK AT MY COWORKER'S
PATIENT'S X-RAYS AND CHARTS.
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I COULD ALSO DIGITALLY TRAVEL TO
OTHER OFFICES ACROSS THE STATE
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OR ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
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I JUST STARTED BRINGING UP THE
CHARTS OF SOME OF MY CO-WORKERS.
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>> Reporter: HE HAD SECRETLY
BECOME A DENTAL DETECTIVE,
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KNOWING HE COULD BE FIRED OR
SUED.
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SO, FOR SIX MONTHS, YOU
BASICALLY WERE WORKING
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UNDERCOVER, SO TO SPEAK, TO
BUILD YOUR WHISTLEBLOWER CASE?
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>> I WANTED TO STOP THIS.
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IT WAS INSANE.
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PICK ON SOMEONE YOUR OWN SIZE.
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YOU'RE STEALING MONEY FROM EVERY
TAXPAYER IN THIS COUNTRY BY
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COMMITTING FRAUD.
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ADD TO THAT, YOU'RE PICKING ON
FIVE-YEAR-OLDS?
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>> Reporter: GREENWALD'S
ATTORNEY FILED THIS 42-PAGE
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COMPLAINT ALLEGING MEDICAID
FRAUD.
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TWO MONTHS LATER, THE DENTIST
EAGERLY MET WITH FEDERAL AGENTS
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TO SHARE THE EVIDENCE HE'D
COLLECTED.
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>> THEY TOOK OVER THE CASE THAT
I HAD PRESENTED AND DECIDED TO
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MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AS THEY
FELT IT WAS JUSTIFIED.
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I DILIGENTLY MAINTAINED SOME
RECORDS OF NAMES, DATES, TIMES,
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PROCEDURES.
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>> Reporter: SHOWING THAT
PROCEDURES WERE DONE THAT MAYBE
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WEREN'T WARRANTED, SHOWING THE
CULTURE AT KOOL SMILES THAT WAS
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PRODUCE, PRODUCE, PRODUCE?
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>> YES.
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I DIDN'T WANT TO BASE THIS ON
JUST PURE HEARSAY.
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I WANTED TO SAY, "LOOK AT THIS
DATE, LOOK AT THIS OFFICE."
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I STARTED PULLING UP RECORD
NAMES FROM NEW MEXICO AND
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ARIZONA AND MARYLAND AND
VIRGINIA AND TEXAS AND GEORGIA.
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AND I REALIZED, "OH, MY GOD,
THIS IS PERVASIVE THROUGHOUT THE
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ENTIRE SYSTEM."
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>> Reporter: ON DECEMBER 16,
2017, DR. GREENWALD'S WORST
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NIGHTMARE CAME TRUE.
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THAT'S THE DAY JOSEPH GASTELUM
AND VERONICA DE LOS REYES TOOK
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THEIR SON, ZION, TO A KOOL
SMILES CLINIC IN YUMA, ARIZONA.
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HE WAS JUST TWO YEARS OLD.
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>> ZION, HE'S... HE'S PERFECT.
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SAY THANKS!
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00:17:02,676 --> 00:17:04,057
HE'S SO BEAUTIFUL.
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00:17:04,092 --> 00:17:05,852
HE'S SO HANDSOME.
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00:17:05,886 --> 00:17:09,373
A REAL HANDSOME BABY!
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00:17:09,407 --> 00:17:13,584
HE WENT FOR CLEANINGS AND
CHECKUPS TWICE.
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00:17:13,618 --> 00:17:18,692
THEY SAID HIS TWO FRONT TEETH
WERE, LIKE, GETTING BAD, SO THAT
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00:17:18,727 --> 00:17:20,487
HE NEEDED TO GET THEM CROWNED.
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YOU COULD KIND OF SEE IT.
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>> THEY WANTED TO PREVENT IT
FROM GETTING WORSE.
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>> YEAH.
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>> SO, OF COURSE, WE WANT THE
BEST FOR HIM, SO WE SAID, "OKAY,
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LET'S DO IT."
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>> SO, HE WAS KIND OF SCARED,
BUT I TOLD HIM HE WAS GOING TO
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BE OKAY.
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>> Reporter: VERONICA SAYS THE
ANESTHESIOLOGIST PUT A MASK ON
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ZION.
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>> HE FELL ASLEEP.
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AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE
GOING TO HOOK HIM UP AND GET HIM
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READY TO DO THE WORK, SO TO GIVE
HIM A KISS AND TO GO WAIT IN THE
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WAITING ROOM.
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[ CRYING]
IT ACTUALLY WAS, LIKE, AN HOUR
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BEFORE THEY CALLED ME, AND
THAT'S WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT
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HIM.
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00:17:58,870 --> 00:18:01,873
AND I NOTICED THAT HIS CHEST
WASN'T MOVING, LIKE TO BREATHE.
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>> 911, WHAT'S YOUR EMERGENCY?
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>> I AM AT KOOL SMILES.
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WE HAVE A CHILD THAT... HE'S
NOT... NOT RESPONSIVE.
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>> Reporter: ACCORDING TO POLICE
REPORTS, AN ANESTHESIOLOGIST
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ATTEMPTED TO REVIVE ZION, BUT
COULDN'T.
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>> AND HE NEVER CAME OUT OF THAT
PLACE OKAY.
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HE NEVER WOKE UP.
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>> Reporter: KOOL SMILES
DENTISTS WORKED ON MUCH MORE
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THAN ZION GASTELUM'S TWO FRONT
TEETH.
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IN THE END, HE HAD SIX STAINLESS
STEEL CROWNS AND THREE BABY ROOT
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CANALS.
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ZION GASTELUM WAS DEAD, BUT KOOL
SMILES STILL SENT MEDICAID A
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BILL FOR $2,604.
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>> THEY'RE JUST MONEY HUNGRY.
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THEY DON'T WANT TO HELP YOU.
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THEY WANT TO HELP THEMSELVES.
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>> EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT
THEY DID TO OUR SON SO IT
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DOESN'T HAPPEN TO ANYBODY ELSE.
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THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO WATCH MY
SON.
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THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO TAKE CARE
OF HIM, AND THEY DIDN'T.
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AND NOW HE'S GONE, AND HE WAS
ONLY TWO.
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[ CRYING]
>> Reporter: THE AUTOPSY REPORT
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CLASSIFIED THE CAUSE AND MANNER
OF ZION'S DEATH AS UNDETERMINED.
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HIS HEARTBROKEN PARENTS INTEND
TO SUE KOOL SMILES.
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IN A STATEMENT TO CBS, KOOL
SMILES WROTE:
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IN A STATEMENT TO CBS, KOOL
SMILES WROTE:
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DR. RAI AND DR. GREENWALD'S
WHISTLEBLOWER LAWSUITS WERE
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FILED BEFORE ZION'S DEATH.
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SIX OTHER KOOL SMILES EMPLOYEES,
CONCERNED FOR CHILDREN'S SAFETY,
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ALSO BLEW THE WHISTLE.
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THEY WERE IN IT FOR THE LONG
HAUL.
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00:20:10,968 --> 00:20:15,248
>> I KNEW THAT I WANTED TO
FOLLOW MY CONSCIENCE AND FOLLOW
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THE TRUTH, WHATEVER PRICE IT MAY
BE.
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>> THEIR BIGGEST MISTAKE
WAS HIRING ME.
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>> Reporter: I'M ALEX FERRER.
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THIS IS "WHISTLEBLOWER."
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DR. RAI SPENT YEARS WORKING AS A
PART-TIME DENTIST IN TEXAS AS
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SHE STRUGGLED TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
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00:20:43,690 --> 00:20:47,142
DR. GREENWALD WENT BACK INTO
PRIVATE PRACTICE.
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NEITHER DENTIST HAD ANY REGRETS
ABOUT TAKING ON KOOL SMILES.
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00:20:50,835 --> 00:20:54,080
>> I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING
TO HAPPEN.
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00:20:54,114 --> 00:20:57,670
JUST THE MACHINE OF THE FEDERAL
SYSTEM CONFUSED ME.
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00:20:57,704 --> 00:21:01,743
THESE PEOPLE PUT EVERYTHING INTO
IT-- THOUSANDS OF MAN HOURS,
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00:21:01,777 --> 00:21:05,367
MILLIONS OF PAGES OF
DOCUMENTATION.
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00:21:05,402 --> 00:21:09,440
THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT
THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
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>> Reporter: THE WHISTLEBLOWERS
HAD NO IDEA IF THEY WOULD GET
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ANYTHING AT ALL FROM THEIR
LAWSUITS UNTIL 2018.
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00:21:16,344 --> 00:21:18,760
NEARLY TEN YEARS AFTER THE CASE
BEGAN, THEIR WAIT WAS FINALLY
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00:21:18,794 --> 00:21:20,555
OVER.
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00:21:20,589 --> 00:21:24,144
KOOL SMILES SETTLED, AGREEING TO
PAY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT $24
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00:21:24,179 --> 00:21:29,218
MILLION FOR ALLEGED MEDICAID
FRAUD.
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00:21:29,253 --> 00:21:32,912
DR. RAI, DR. GREENWALD AND THE
SIX WHISTLEBLOWERS SPLIT
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00:21:32,946 --> 00:21:37,226
$4 MILLION OF THAT.
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00:21:37,261 --> 00:21:39,539
KOOL SMILES PAID THE MONEY, BUT
ADMITTED NO WRONGDOING.
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00:21:39,574 --> 00:21:41,472
>> "WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG,
BUT HERE'S $24 MILLION."
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00:21:41,507 --> 00:21:42,887
PLEASE.
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00:21:42,922 --> 00:21:46,650
YOU'RE JUST NOT ADMITTING TO IT,
THAT'S ALL.
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00:21:46,684 --> 00:21:50,309
>> Reporter: THIS DEVOTED
DENTIST WHO GREW UP IN INDIA IS
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NOW LIVING IN A REMOTE PART OF
ALASKA, PRACTICING HER PASSION.
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00:21:54,347 --> 00:21:59,352
SHE IS CONTENT NOW, RAISING HER
DAUGHTER A WORLD AWAY FROM THAT
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00:21:59,387 --> 00:22:04,219
KOOL SMILES CLINIC IN AMARILLO,
TEXAS.
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00:22:04,253 --> 00:22:08,672
>> MY LIFE NOW IS VERY PEACEFUL.
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00:22:08,706 --> 00:22:11,226
RURAL ALASKA HERE, LIFE IS SLOW.
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00:22:11,260 --> 00:22:14,194
LIFE IS NOT ABOUT THAT MUCH
PRESSURE.
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00:22:14,229 --> 00:22:17,025
>> Reporter: SHE IS HAPPY AT HER
NEW JOB, WORKING IN A NATIVE
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00:22:17,059 --> 00:22:18,475
AMERICAN HEALTH CLINIC.
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00:22:18,509 --> 00:22:20,891
>> HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY?
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00:22:20,925 --> 00:22:24,446
WE SEE OUR PATIENTS AND GIVE
THEM THE BEST POSSIBLE SERVICE
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00:22:24,481 --> 00:22:27,932
THAT WE CAN WITHOUT ANY CONFLICT
OF INTEREST.
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00:22:27,967 --> 00:22:30,901
THERE'S NO BONUS SYSTEMS THAT WE
ARE GOING TO GET HERE.
428
00:22:30,935 --> 00:22:36,838
THERE'S NO NUMBERS I NEED TO
HIT.
429
00:22:36,872 --> 00:22:38,702
>> I DID SOMETHING GOOD.
430
00:22:38,736 --> 00:22:41,567
EVERYBODY OUGHT TO TRY THAT.
431
00:22:41,601 --> 00:22:47,400
MY DAUGHTER'S NOT GOING TO, IN
ANOTHER 30 YEARS, LOOK AT HER
432
00:22:47,435 --> 00:22:53,717
CHILDREN AND SAY, "YEAH, YOU'RE
GRANDPA WAS A DENTIST."
433
00:22:53,751 --> 00:23:01,621
SHE'S GOING TO SAY, "YOUR
GRANDPA DID SOMETHING GOOD."
434
00:23:01,656 --> 00:23:06,281
I'M PROUD.
435
00:23:06,315 --> 00:23:10,009
>> Reporter: AND IF GIVEN A
CHOICE, DR. GREENWALD SAYS HE
436
00:23:10,043 --> 00:23:12,460
WOULD BLOW THE WHISTLE ALL OVER
AGAIN.
437
00:23:12,494 --> 00:23:13,702
>> WAS IT WORTH IT?
438
00:23:13,737 --> 00:23:15,635
ABSOLUTELY.
439
00:23:15,670 --> 00:23:17,361
DID I WANT TO SEE THEM PUNISH
KOOL SMILES?
440
00:23:17,396 --> 00:23:19,432
YES.
441
00:23:19,467 --> 00:23:21,607
DID I WANT TO SEE THEM SHUT DOWN
KOOL SMILES?
442
00:23:21,641 --> 00:23:23,367
NO.
443
00:23:23,402 --> 00:23:25,300
>> Reporter: WHY NOT?
444
00:23:25,334 --> 00:23:28,061
>> THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DENTISTS
OUT THERE THAT WILL TREAT
445
00:23:28,096 --> 00:23:32,238
MEDICAID.
446
00:23:32,272 --> 00:23:35,379
IT'S 120 OFFICES, TIMES HOW MANY
CHILDREN EACH ONE SEES.
447
00:23:35,414 --> 00:23:38,417
YOU ARE REMOVING ACCESS.
448
00:23:38,451 --> 00:23:42,628
SO, DO YOU DESTROY ACCESS TO
CARE FOR THE SAKE OF PUNISHING A
449
00:23:42,662 --> 00:23:43,974
COMPANY?
450
00:23:44,008 --> 00:23:46,010
NO.
451
00:23:46,045 --> 00:23:49,117
>> Reporter: WE REPEATEDLY ASKED
KOOL SMILES FOR AN ON-CAMERA
452
00:23:49,151 --> 00:23:51,671
INTERVIEW, BUT THE COMPANY NEVER
AGREED TO ONE.
453
00:23:51,706 --> 00:24:01,785
IN A STATEMENT, KOOL SMILES
WROTE:
454
00:24:01,819 --> 00:24:07,238
IN A STATEMENT, KOOL SMILES
WROTE:
455
00:24:07,273 --> 00:24:09,724
WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO THE
OWNERS OF KOOL SMILES?
456
00:24:09,758 --> 00:24:12,209
>> I'M NOT GOING TO STOP.
457
00:24:12,243 --> 00:24:17,007
SOME PEOPLE ARE CHEERING THE
YANKEES; I'M CHEERING THE... THE
458
00:24:17,041 --> 00:24:20,528
FEDS FOR NAILING THIS PERSON FOR
FRAUD AND NAILING THAT ONE.
459
00:24:20,562 --> 00:24:24,601
AND I'M REALIZING, "OH, MY GOD,
IT'S LIKE IF I COULD HAVE A
460
00:24:24,635 --> 00:24:27,604
CAREER CHANGE TOMORROW, I'D GO
TO WORK FOR THEM."
461
00:24:27,638 --> 00:24:29,916
I WANT TO CATCH THE BAD GUYS.
462
00:24:29,951 --> 00:24:31,055
AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
463
00:24:31,090 --> 00:24:33,920
I DID.
464
00:24:33,955 --> 00:24:36,958
>> Reporter: SOME WHISTLEBLOWER
CASES INVOLVE HUNDREDS OF
465
00:24:36,992 --> 00:24:38,235
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
466
00:24:38,269 --> 00:24:40,513
WHEN YOUR DOCTOR PRESCRIBES A
DRUG, IS IT BASED ON WHAT'S BEST
467
00:24:40,548 --> 00:24:42,204
FOR YOUR HEALTH?
468
00:24:42,239 --> 00:24:45,000
OR HAS THE DOCTOR'S DECISION
BEEN INFLUENCED BY KICKBACKS
469
00:24:45,035 --> 00:24:48,245
FROM A DRUG COMPANY?
470
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:52,525
MYCHAL WILSON WAS A YOUNG,
AMBITIOUS PHARMACEUTICAL SALES
471
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,253
REP FROM HUMBLE BEGINNINGS IN
WASHINGTON, D.C.
472
00:24:56,287 --> 00:24:59,359
>> WALKING TO SOCCER PRACTICE,
PASSING THE UNITED STATES
473
00:24:59,394 --> 00:25:01,879
SUPREME COURT BUILDING,
YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS SEE THE
474
00:25:01,914 --> 00:25:05,676
WORDS: EQUALITY, JUSTICE.
475
00:25:05,711 --> 00:25:08,783
>> Reporter: HE DIDN'T IMAGINE
HIMSELF A SALESMAN WHEN HE FIRST
476
00:25:08,817 --> 00:25:11,751
MOVED TO LOS ANGELES IN THE
EARLY '90s.
477
00:25:11,786 --> 00:25:14,133
HE WAS JUST ONE MORE ASPIRING
ACTOR.
478
00:25:14,167 --> 00:25:16,722
>> I WAS IN SOME TV ROLES LIKE
HOWARD STERN, "SON OF THE
479
00:25:16,756 --> 00:25:20,346
BEACH."
480
00:25:20,380 --> 00:25:21,830
>> OKAY, CHAD, HOW !¡BOUT BUFFY?
481
00:25:21,865 --> 00:25:24,971
[ LAUGHTER]
>> Reporter: WERE YOU ABLE TO
482
00:25:25,006 --> 00:25:25,938
SUPPORT YOURSELF ON ACTING?
483
00:25:25,972 --> 00:25:27,077
>> UH, NO.
484
00:25:27,111 --> 00:25:29,493
>> Reporter: THAT'S WHY HE TOOK
A JOB IN PHARMA SALES.
485
00:25:29,528 --> 00:25:31,806
>> I SOLD SKIN MEDICINES.
486
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,017
I SOLD EYE DROPS FOR BACTERIAL
CONJUNCTIVITIS.
487
00:25:36,051 --> 00:25:38,606
AND THEN, THE V.E.D., WHICH IS
KNOWN AS THE VACUUM ERECTION
488
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:39,710
DEVICE.
489
00:25:39,745 --> 00:25:40,849
>> Reporter: I'M SORRY?
490
00:25:40,884 --> 00:25:42,955
>> THE V.E.D., VACUUM ERECTION
DEVICE.
491
00:25:42,989 --> 00:25:44,163
>> Reporter: VACUUM ERECTION.
492
00:25:44,197 --> 00:25:45,267
>> SO, THIS IS PRE-VIAGRA.
493
00:25:45,302 --> 00:25:46,855
[ LAUGHS]
>> Reporter: WHAT IS A VACUUM
494
00:25:46,890 --> 00:25:47,822
ERECTION DEVICE?
495
00:25:47,856 --> 00:25:49,513
>> [ LAUGHS]
I HAVE ONE BACK THERE.
496
00:25:49,548 --> 00:25:51,929
I CAN BRING IT FOR SHOW AND
TELL, IF YOU WANT.
497
00:25:51,964 --> 00:25:53,724
>> Reporter: I'D RATHER YOU
DIDN'T, BUT...
498
00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:56,485
[ LAUGHS]
I'M CUR... I'M... I'M HALF
499
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,280
SCARED TO ASK YOU THE PITCH AND
CURIOUS ON THE OTHER HAND.
500
00:25:58,315 --> 00:25:59,143
SELL A LOT OF THESE?
501
00:25:59,178 --> 00:26:03,078
>> YEAH, I DID, ACTUALLY.
502
00:26:03,113 --> 00:26:05,736
>> Reporter: HE WAS SO GOOD AT
HIS NEW ROLE, IN 1998, HE LANDED
503
00:26:05,771 --> 00:26:08,636
A JOB WITH A GIANT: BRISTOL-
MYERS SQUIBB.
504
00:26:08,670 --> 00:26:11,155
IT WAS GOOD MONEY COMPARED TO
ACTING-- AROUND 40 GRAND PLUS
505
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:12,985
PERKS TO START.
506
00:26:13,019 --> 00:26:16,402
HIS SPECIALTY: MARKETING
POWERFUL DRUGS THAT NETTED THE
507
00:26:16,436 --> 00:26:20,026
COMPANY BILLIONS.
508
00:26:20,061 --> 00:26:21,718
>> THERE WAS GLUCOPHAGE.
509
00:26:21,752 --> 00:26:23,996
IT'S FOR TYPE-TWO DIABETES.
510
00:26:24,030 --> 00:26:27,620
THEN, THERE WAS PRAVACHOL, WHICH
IS A CHOLESTEROL-LOWERING DRUG.
511
00:26:27,655 --> 00:26:30,899
>> Reporter: WILSON SHOWED US
WHERE HE PLIED HIS TRADE.
512
00:26:30,934 --> 00:26:32,280
SO, THIS IS CEDARS?
513
00:26:32,314 --> 00:26:37,975
>> THEWORLD FAMOUS CEDARS,
CEDARS-SINAI MEDICAL CENTER.
514
00:26:38,010 --> 00:26:40,702
>> Reporter: DID BRISTOL-MYERS
SQUIBB TRAIN YOU ON HOW TO TALK
515
00:26:40,737 --> 00:26:43,360
TO DOCTORS IN... IN PITCHING
THEIR DRUGS?
516
00:26:43,394 --> 00:26:44,533
>> OH, YES.
517
00:26:44,568 --> 00:26:45,707
COMPLETELY.
518
00:26:45,742 --> 00:26:47,364
THERE'S A LARGE TRAINING CLASS.
519
00:26:47,398 --> 00:26:50,229
YOU WERE TRAINED ON THE DRUGS,
THE DISEASE STATE, THE SALES,
520
00:26:50,263 --> 00:26:51,575
THE MESSAGING.
521
00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:54,820
AND THEN, AFTER THAT, ALSO WHAT
TO DO WHEN YOU GOT OUT IN THE
522
00:26:54,854 --> 00:26:58,858
FIELD.
523
00:26:58,893 --> 00:27:00,929
YOU PRESENT THE INFORMATION TO
THE PHYSICIAN.
524
00:27:00,964 --> 00:27:02,482
MAYBE YOU'RE DOING SOME LUNCHES.
525
00:27:02,517 --> 00:27:05,037
YOU COULD TAKE THEM TO A LAKERS
GAME, A KINGS GAME.
526
00:27:05,071 --> 00:27:07,660
>> Reporter: WILSON WAS EXPECTED
TO SPEND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
527
00:27:07,695 --> 00:27:14,287
DOLLARS A YEAR TO INFLUENCE
DOCTORS.
528
00:27:14,322 --> 00:27:15,461
IT WAS A SWEET GIG, AT FIRST.
529
00:27:15,495 --> 00:27:17,497
HOW MUCH WOULD YOU DROP FOR
THESE DOCTORS, ENTERTAINING
530
00:27:17,532 --> 00:27:18,809
THEM?
531
00:27:18,844 --> 00:27:20,362
>> YOU KNOW, YOU'D DIVIDE UP THE
COST AMONGST MANAGERS AND OTHER
532
00:27:20,397 --> 00:27:21,778
REPS.
533
00:27:21,812 --> 00:27:24,573
SO, SAY, ON MY EXPENSE REPORT,
IT MAY ONLY SHOW FOUR OR FIVE
534
00:27:24,608 --> 00:27:27,542
GRAND, BUT THE TOTAL EVENT MAY
EVEN BE, LIKE, $15,000 OR
535
00:27:27,576 --> 00:27:29,578
$20,000 TO WINE AND DINE THESE
PHYSICIANS.
536
00:27:29,613 --> 00:27:30,718
>> Reporter: FOR A DINNER.
537
00:27:30,752 --> 00:27:32,858
>> FOR A DINNER, YEAH.
538
00:27:32,892 --> 00:27:37,172
>> Reporter: ONE YEAR INTO HIS
JOB, THINGS STARTED TO SHIFT
539
00:27:37,207 --> 00:27:40,693
WHEN WILSON TOOK ADVANTAGE OF A
GENEROUS COMPANY EDUCATION
540
00:27:40,728 --> 00:27:44,076
BENEFIT, ENROLLING IN LAW SCHOOL
AT NIGHT.
541
00:27:44,110 --> 00:27:46,837
>> MY MANAGERS WOULD GET MAD AT
ME BECAUSE IT'S "YOU'VE GOT TO
542
00:27:46,872 --> 00:27:49,219
DO A DINNER PROGRAM AT SPAGO OR
A.O.C.," OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
543
00:27:49,253 --> 00:27:50,427
>> Reporter: WINE AND DINE THE
DOCTORS.
544
00:27:50,461 --> 00:27:51,704
>> YES.
545
00:27:51,739 --> 00:27:53,085
AND "YOU AREN'T DOING YOUR JOB.
546
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,328
WHY WEREN'T YOU AT THE LAKERS
GAME LAST NIGHT?
547
00:27:55,363 --> 00:27:58,746
WE HAD THE BOX SUITES."
548
00:27:58,780 --> 00:28:01,058
YOU KNOW, YOU SEE ALL THE STARS
UP THERE, LIKE ICE CUBE AND
549
00:28:01,093 --> 00:28:02,577
EVERYTHING.
550
00:28:02,611 --> 00:28:04,752
YOU KNOW, I BECAME A BAD GUY.
551
00:28:04,786 --> 00:28:09,170
MY PARENTS WERE MIDDLE CLASS
PARENTS, MIDDLE CLASS FAMILY,
552
00:28:09,204 --> 00:28:11,862
AND THEY SPENT THEIR MONEY ON
PRIVATE EDUCATIONS FOR THEIR
553
00:28:11,897 --> 00:28:13,519
SONS.
554
00:28:13,553 --> 00:28:14,658
SO, I WAS LIKE, "THERE'S NO WAY.
555
00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:15,901
I'M GOING TO LAW SCHOOL."
556
00:28:15,935 --> 00:28:17,765
AND I WAS KIND OF BASICALLY, YOU
KNOW WHAT?
557
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:20,008
I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE
FIRST ATTORNEY IN MY FAMILY, YOU
558
00:28:20,043 --> 00:28:21,216
KNOW.
559
00:28:21,251 --> 00:28:23,667
AND BEING A BLACK AMERICAN,
THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT THING.
560
00:28:23,702 --> 00:28:26,187
>> Reporter: AS WILSON LEARNED
MORE ABOUT THE LAW, HE STARTED
561
00:28:26,221 --> 00:28:28,983
TO WONDER IF THE COMPANY WAS
ASKING HIM TO DO SOMETHING
562
00:28:29,017 --> 00:28:30,570
WRONG.
563
00:28:30,605 --> 00:28:33,746
UNLIKE IN OTHER INDUSTRIES, THE
FEDERAL ANTI-KICKBACK STATUTE
564
00:28:33,781 --> 00:28:36,887
PROHIBITS REWARDING DOCTORS IN
ORDER TO GET THEM TO PRESCRIBE
565
00:28:36,922 --> 00:28:40,477
SPECIFIC DRUGS TO MEDICARE OR
MEDICAID PATIENTS.
566
00:28:40,511 --> 00:28:46,034
WILSON FELT UNEASY, BUT HE
NEEDED THE JOB.
567
00:28:46,069 --> 00:28:51,143
>> YOU WERE TO TARGET AND SPEND
THE MONEY ON HIGH PRESCRIBERS.
568
00:28:51,177 --> 00:28:54,318
YOU WOULD FIND CERTAIN DOCTORS
WHO YOU KNEW WERE SUSCEPTIBLE TO
569
00:28:54,353 --> 00:28:56,873
PERKS OR SWAG, WHATEVER YOU WANT
TO CALL IT.
570
00:28:56,907 --> 00:28:59,738
>> Reporter: LAVISH MEALS,
EXPENSIVE BOOZE AND CIGARS, GOLF
571
00:28:59,772 --> 00:29:02,430
OUTINGS, CONCERT TICKETS,
SWEDISH MASSAGES, EVEN CASH
572
00:29:02,464 --> 00:29:04,121
PAYMENTS.
573
00:29:04,156 --> 00:29:05,122
>> PAY TO PRESCRIBE.
574
00:29:05,157 --> 00:29:06,296
PAY FOR PLAY.
575
00:29:06,330 --> 00:29:07,815
A QUID PRO QUO.
576
00:29:07,849 --> 00:29:09,989
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT,
IT'S A BRIBE.
577
00:29:10,024 --> 00:29:12,681
>> Reporter: AND THE PERKS
WEREN'T JUST FOR DOCTORS; WILSON
578
00:29:12,716 --> 00:29:15,512
SAYS HE WAS ENCOURAGED TO CATER
LUNCHES FOR THEIR ENTIRE MEDICAL
579
00:29:15,546 --> 00:29:19,378
OFFICE, EVEN BUY THEM BIRTHDAY
GIFTS.
580
00:29:19,412 --> 00:29:22,622
>> WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS, YOU
COULD GET INTO THE OFFICE PAST
581
00:29:22,657 --> 00:29:25,453
THE NURSES AND THE OFFICE STAFF,
AND GET INTO THE FILE CABINETS.
582
00:29:25,487 --> 00:29:28,076
>> Reporter: BY "FILE CABINETS,"
MYCHAL WILSON MEANS PATIENT
583
00:29:28,111 --> 00:29:29,215
RECORDS.
584
00:29:29,250 --> 00:29:31,804
LAST TIME I CHECKED, THOSE
RECORDS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE
585
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:33,012
CONFIDENTIAL.
586
00:29:33,047 --> 00:29:36,360
BUT WILSON SAYS SALES REPS
ENCOURAGED DOCTORS TO GIVE THEM
587
00:29:36,395 --> 00:29:40,330
ACCESS TO PATIENT FILES SO THEY
COULD REVIEW THOSE FILES AND
588
00:29:40,364 --> 00:29:43,574
FLAG PATIENTS THE SALES REPS
SAID COULD BENEFIT FROM CERTAIN
589
00:29:43,609 --> 00:29:45,749
B.M.S. DRUGS.
590
00:29:45,784 --> 00:29:49,373
DID IT START BOTHERING YOU AT
SOME POINT THAT THESE PATIENTS
591
00:29:49,408 --> 00:29:52,998
WERE GETTING PRESCRIPTIONS FOR
THEIR MEDICAL CARE NOT BECAUSE
592
00:29:53,032 --> 00:29:56,622
THE DOCTOR THOUGHT IT WAS THE
BEST PRESCRIPTION FOR THEM BUT
593
00:29:56,656 --> 00:29:59,142
BECAUSE, AS YOU SAY, THE DOCTOR
WAS BEING BRIBED BY THE
594
00:29:59,176 --> 00:30:01,282
PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY TO WRITE
THIS PARTICULAR SCRIPT?
595
00:30:01,316 --> 00:30:02,421
>> YES.
596
00:30:02,455 --> 00:30:03,698
I MEAN, IT BOTHERED ME A LOT.
597
00:30:03,732 --> 00:30:04,906
YOU'RE HURTING A PATIENT.
598
00:30:04,941 --> 00:30:07,012
IT'S COMPLETELY WRONG TO PULL
PATIENT CHARTS.
599
00:30:07,046 --> 00:30:09,393
IT'S COMPLETELY WRONG TO PUT
THESE... SOME OF THESE PATIENTS
600
00:30:09,428 --> 00:30:12,811
ON MEDICATIONS WHICH YOU KNEW
THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE ON OR
601
00:30:12,845 --> 00:30:15,054
THAT THE COMPETITORS' DRUGS
ACTUALLY MAY BE BETTER FOR THE
602
00:30:15,089 --> 00:30:19,369
PATIENTS.
603
00:30:19,403 --> 00:30:20,957
>> Reporter: RIGHT.
604
00:30:20,991 --> 00:30:24,719
>> THESE ARE THE... THE BACK
STAIRS THAT WE USED TO TAKE OVER
605
00:30:24,753 --> 00:30:29,724
HERE FROM FLOOR TO FLOOR, DOCTOR
TO DOCTOR, FILE CABINET TO FILE
606
00:30:29,758 --> 00:30:32,589
CABINET TO GET THOSE PATIENT
CHARTS.
607
00:30:32,623 --> 00:30:35,212
>> Reporter: ONE OF THE DOCTORS
WILSON USED TO CALL ON IS
608
00:30:35,247 --> 00:30:39,389
CEDARS-SINAI CARDIOLOGIST DR.
RICO SIMONINI.
609
00:30:39,423 --> 00:30:42,081
HE LIKED WILSON, BUT NOT HIS
PITCHES.
610
00:30:42,116 --> 00:30:44,290
>> THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS YOU
COULD LEARN ABOUT A DRUG.
611
00:30:44,325 --> 00:30:46,879
AND THE WORST WAY TO LEARN ABOUT
A DRUG IS BY A REP WHO'S TRYING
612
00:30:46,914 --> 00:30:50,020
TO SELL YOU ONE AND SHOWING YOU
DATA THAT'S BEEN CHERRY-PICKED
613
00:30:50,055 --> 00:30:52,574
FOR YOU TO LOOK AT BY PEOPLE WHO
HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO SELL IT TO
614
00:30:52,609 --> 00:30:54,231
YOU.
615
00:30:54,266 --> 00:30:57,372
>> Reporter: BUT HE SAYS SOME OF
HIS COLLEAGUES DIDFALL PREY TO
616
00:30:57,407 --> 00:30:59,788
THE ILLICIT PERSUASION
TECHNIQUES.
617
00:30:59,823 --> 00:31:02,412
>> THEY SEEM TO FORGET THAT
HIPPOCRATIC OATH THAT WE ALL
618
00:31:02,446 --> 00:31:07,072
TAKE, AND... AND, YEAH, THEY GET
CORRUPTED BY THE MONEY.
619
00:31:07,106 --> 00:31:11,041
>> Reporter: FOUR YEARS INTO HIS
JOB, WILSON BECAME CONVINCED
620
00:31:11,076 --> 00:31:14,458
BRISTOL-MYERS SQUIBB WAS
BREAKING THE LAW.
621
00:31:14,493 --> 00:31:17,841
CONCERNED FOR PATIENTS' SAFETY,
HE COMPLAINED TO MANAGEMENT.
622
00:31:17,876 --> 00:31:20,740
THEY DID NOTHING, HE SAYS, BUT
ASSIGN HIM A TOUGH NEW
623
00:31:20,775 --> 00:31:23,571
SUPERVISOR.
624
00:31:23,605 --> 00:31:27,920
>> SHE WAS A COMPLETE
MICROMANAGER.
625
00:31:27,955 --> 00:31:30,647
AND SHE TOTALLY, YOU KNOW, WAS
DOCUMENTING EVERYTHING I WAS
626
00:31:30,681 --> 00:31:32,062
DOING.
627
00:31:32,097 --> 00:31:34,858
I ALWAYS LEARNED THAT WHEN
SOMEONE'S DOCUMENTING YOU, YOU
628
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:36,032
SHOULD DOCUMENT THEM.
629
00:31:36,066 --> 00:31:38,931
>> Reporter: WILSON KNEW HE HAD
A GOOD JOB, BUT HE FELT
630
00:31:38,966 --> 00:31:40,899
COMPELLED TO EXPOSE THE FRAUD.
631
00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:43,487
>> MY POD MATES AND STUFF ARE
SAYING, "YOU KNOW, THIS... YOU
632
00:31:43,522 --> 00:31:45,455
KNOW, THIS MANAGER SAID, 'STAY
AWAY FROM HIM, HE'S BAD NEWS.'"
633
00:31:45,489 --> 00:31:47,388
OKAY?
634
00:31:47,422 --> 00:31:50,011
OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN
IS, I'D HAVE PEOPLE COME UP TO
635
00:31:50,046 --> 00:31:52,980
ME AT REGIONAL SALES MEETINGS
AND TAKE ME ASIDE AND SAY, "HEY,
636
00:31:53,014 --> 00:31:55,603
DON'T... DON'T MESS IT UP FOR
EVERYBODY."
637
00:31:55,637 --> 00:31:58,675
>> Reporter: BELIEVING HIS DAYS
IN THE JOB WERE NUMBERED, WILSON
638
00:31:58,709 --> 00:32:02,368
STARTED HIS OWN UNDERCOVER
OPERATION...
639
00:32:02,403 --> 00:32:06,959
>> I SAVED DOCUMENTS, AND I KEPT
THEM AT MY APARTMENT AND IN MY
640
00:32:06,994 --> 00:32:11,481
STORAGE UNIT.
641
00:32:11,515 --> 00:32:12,827
LUXURY SKY BOX.
642
00:32:12,861 --> 00:32:17,142
HOW ABOUT THAT?
643
00:32:17,176 --> 00:32:19,351
>> Reporter: ...COLLECTING HIGH-
TICKET RECEIPTS...
644
00:32:19,385 --> 00:32:20,662
>> CHARGERS VS. CLEVELAND.
645
00:32:20,697 --> 00:32:22,768
>> Reporter: ...MAKING COPIES IN
DOCTOR'S OFFICES...
646
00:32:22,802 --> 00:32:24,011
>> LAKERS, CLIPPERS, $8,000.
647
00:32:24,045 --> 00:32:26,737
>> Reporter: ...STASHING AWAY
ALL THE PAPERWORK HE COULD.
648
00:32:26,772 --> 00:32:32,571
>> THIS IS THE ADVANCE REPORT,
THE CAREER MANAGEMENT TOOL WHERE
649
00:32:32,605 --> 00:32:35,643
WE ACTUALLY DOCUMENTED ALL THE
FRAUD, ALL THE KICKBACKS WE WERE
650
00:32:35,677 --> 00:32:38,335
GIVING TO PHYSICIANS.
651
00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:43,375
>> Reporter: HE KNEW IT COULD
ALL BE VALUABLE EVIDENCE.
652
00:32:57,837 --> 00:33:00,806
>> THE COMPANY DID EVERYTHING
TO... TO TRY TO TERMINATE ME.
653
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,878
BUT, YOU KNOW, I WAS THE NUMBER-
THREE REP IN THE NATION FOR, YOU
654
00:33:03,912 --> 00:33:05,121
KNOW, ONE OF ITS DRUGS: PLAVIX.
655
00:33:05,155 --> 00:33:08,193
>> Reporter: MYCHAL WILSON SAYS
HE WAS HARASSED, INTIMIDATED,
656
00:33:08,227 --> 00:33:11,575
ACCUSED OF INSUBORDINATION.
657
00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:15,407
IN SEPTEMBER 2004, BRISTOL-MYERS
SQUIBB FIRED HIM FOR WHAT HE
658
00:33:15,441 --> 00:33:18,582
SAYS WAS A COMMON PAPERWORK
ERROR.
659
00:33:18,617 --> 00:33:20,929
YOU NEVER GOT ANYTHING AFTER YOU
WERE FIRED?
660
00:33:20,964 --> 00:33:24,312
>> NO, AND THEN THEY TRIED TO
DENY MY UNEMPLOYMENT, AS WELL.
661
00:33:24,347 --> 00:33:27,764
>> Reporter: AS CONFIDENT A
SALESMAN AS WILSON WAS, IT
662
00:33:27,798 --> 00:33:30,870
PROVED IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND A JOB
IN PHARMA SALES.
663
00:33:30,905 --> 00:33:35,427
HE SAYS HE WAS BLACKBALLED.
664
00:33:35,461 --> 00:33:38,395
>> I WENT ON INTERVIEWS, AND I
WOULD GET TO THE THIRD AND
665
00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:40,708
FOURTH INTERVIEW OF A NEW JOB, A
MEDICAL DEVICE JOB OR A PHARMA
666
00:33:40,742 --> 00:33:42,261
JOB.
667
00:33:42,296 --> 00:33:47,059
THEN, ALL OF A SUDDEN, I
REALIZED I DIDN'T GET THE JOB.
668
00:33:47,094 --> 00:33:50,373
>> Reporter: HE WAS FORCED TO
BORROW MONEY FROM HIS PARENTS,
669
00:33:50,407 --> 00:33:53,617
THE VERY PEOPLE WHO RAISED HIM
TO STAND UP FOR WHAT WAS RIGHT.
670
00:33:53,652 --> 00:33:56,310
>> I COULDN'T LIVE OFF CREDIT
CARDS BECAUSE AFTER, YOU KNOW, A
671
00:33:56,344 --> 00:33:59,934
CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME YOU'RE
UNEMPLOYED, YOU CAN'T PAY THE
672
00:33:59,968 --> 00:34:03,800
BILL, YOU GET SHUT OFF, INTEREST
COMPOUNDS, AND THEN YOU START
673
00:34:03,834 --> 00:34:07,045
GETTING THE CALL-- 8:00 ON A
SATURDAY MORNING, 8:01 ON A
674
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:09,495
SATURDAY MORNING-- THE
COLLECTIONS CALL.
675
00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:13,361
SO, IT WAS PRETTY... IT WAS
PRETTY TOUGH.
676
00:34:13,396 --> 00:34:16,847
>> Reporter: STILL STRUGGLING TO
MAKE ENDS MEET, WILSON MANAGED
677
00:34:16,882 --> 00:34:19,229
TO PASS THE CALIFORNIA BAR EXAM.
678
00:34:19,264 --> 00:34:23,578
HE STARTED PRACTICING
ENTERTAINMENT LAW.
679
00:34:23,613 --> 00:34:28,721
THAT SAME YEAR, HE MET HIS
FUTURE WIFE, SIMONE RODMAN.
680
00:34:28,756 --> 00:34:29,895
>> OKAY, SIMONE'S GREAT.
681
00:34:29,929 --> 00:34:32,277
SO, SHE, AT THE TIME, WAS
WORKING FOR LEONARD NIMOY, THE
682
00:34:32,311 --> 00:34:34,106
ACTOR.
683
00:34:34,141 --> 00:34:38,041
AND I MET... I MET HER AND, YOU
KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TOGETHER SINCE
684
00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:39,663
OUR FIRST DATE.
685
00:34:39,698 --> 00:34:42,804
>> Reporter: TRYING TO START A
NEW LAW CAREER WHILE BURIED
686
00:34:42,839 --> 00:34:46,049
UNDER A MOUNTAIN OF DEBT, MYCHAL
WILSON FACED A GUT-WRENCHING
687
00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:48,983
DECISION: SHOULD HE ALSO TRY TO
TAKE ON THIS GIANT CORPORATION?
688
00:34:49,017 --> 00:34:52,020
>> IF THERE AREN'T
WHISTLEBLOWERS, THE FRAUD WILL
689
00:34:52,055 --> 00:34:53,815
CONTINUE AND CONTINUE.
690
00:34:53,850 --> 00:34:57,025
>> Reporter: HE KNEW IT WOULD BE
AN UPHILL BATTLE TO TAKE ON
691
00:34:57,060 --> 00:35:00,339
BRISTOL-MYERS SQUIBB, BUT WILSON
WAS READY TO BLOW THE WHISTLE.
692
00:35:00,374 --> 00:35:04,067
HE TURNED TO THE LAW FIRM OF
WATERS, KRAUS AND PAUL.
693
00:35:04,102 --> 00:35:07,450
>> WE THOUGHT MYCHAL'S CASE WAS
OBVIOUSLY VERY COMPELLING, BUT,
694
00:35:07,484 --> 00:35:10,349
LIKE ALL WHISTLEBLOWER CASES,
THERE'S NO GUARANTEES THAT THIS
695
00:35:10,384 --> 00:35:13,111
CASE IS EVEN GOING TO GO
ANYWHERE.
696
00:35:13,145 --> 00:35:14,940
THERE'S NOTHING EASY ABOUT IT.
697
00:35:14,974 --> 00:35:18,116
>> Reporter: IN SEPTEMBER 2006,
WILSON'S LAWYERS FILED A FEDERAL
698
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:21,602
SUIT ALLEGING THAT BRISTOL-MYERS
SQUIBB ENGAGED IN FRAUDULENT AND
699
00:35:21,636 --> 00:35:23,949
ILLEGAL PRACTICES.
700
00:35:23,983 --> 00:35:28,471
THE LAWSUIT LAID OUT HOW SALES
REPS TARGETED HIGH PRESCRIBING
701
00:35:28,505 --> 00:35:31,646
PHYSICIANS BY OFFERING HIGH-
PRICED PERKS.
702
00:35:31,681 --> 00:35:34,960
>> THE ESSENCE OF THE CASE WAS
THAT THE PRESCRIPTIONS HAD
703
00:35:34,994 --> 00:35:38,101
BEEN... BEEN WRITTEN AS A RESULT
OF THESE INDUCEMENTS AND THEN
704
00:35:38,136 --> 00:35:41,415
WERE SUBMITTED TO THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT FOR REIMBURSEMENT AS
705
00:35:41,449 --> 00:35:42,726
MEDICARE.
706
00:35:42,761 --> 00:35:45,453
>> Reporter: IN PLAIN ENGLISH,
THE LAWSUIT ALLEGED THAT B.M.S.
707
00:35:45,488 --> 00:35:49,768
DEFRAUDED THE GOVERNMENT BY
PAYING ILLEGAL KICKBACKS TO
708
00:35:49,802 --> 00:35:51,735
DOCTORS.
709
00:35:51,770 --> 00:35:55,291
>> WHEN SOMEONE IS DOING
SOMETHING FOR YOU, YOU'RE GOING
710
00:35:55,325 --> 00:35:57,983
TO DO SOMETHING IN RETURN FOR
THAT.
711
00:35:58,017 --> 00:36:02,608
>> Reporter: ONE INDUCEMENT WAS
ASSOCIATED WITH A FAMOUS
712
00:36:02,643 --> 00:36:05,024
CALIFORNIA NAME: LUCIUS ALLEN,
WHO ONCE PLAYED FOR THE L.A.
713
00:36:05,059 --> 00:36:06,233
LAKERS.
714
00:36:06,267 --> 00:36:09,408
HE AND HIS WIFE, EVE, WORKED
WITH WILSON, MARKETING DRUGS FOR
715
00:36:09,443 --> 00:36:10,616
BRISTOL-MYERS SQUIBB.
716
00:36:10,651 --> 00:36:13,067
>> LUCIUS AND EVE WERE KIND OF
THE CONDUITS TO THE STAPLES
717
00:36:13,101 --> 00:36:15,345
CENTER, TO THE LAKERS, TO THE
SUITES.
718
00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:16,381
THE COMPANY KNEW THAT.
719
00:36:16,415 --> 00:36:17,761
EVERYONE KNEW THAT.
720
00:36:17,796 --> 00:36:19,349
THE DOCTORS KNEW THAT.
721
00:36:19,384 --> 00:36:22,214
SO, THE LAKERS' DREAM CAMPS WAS
SOMETHING THAT WAS CREATED BY
722
00:36:22,249 --> 00:36:24,147
BRISTOL-MYERS SQUIBB.
723
00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:26,839
THE DOCTORS COME, THEIR FAMILIES
COME, AND THEY CAN DO DRILLS
724
00:36:26,874 --> 00:36:27,944
WITH THE LAKERS.
725
00:36:27,978 --> 00:36:31,775
THEY CAN PLAY WITH THEM.
726
00:36:31,810 --> 00:36:35,607
>> Reporter: WILSON KNEW THAT AS
A WHISTLEBLOWER, THERE WAS A
727
00:36:35,641 --> 00:36:38,748
CHANCE HE COULD GET 15% TO 25%
OF ANY MONEY THE GOVERNMENT
728
00:36:38,782 --> 00:36:41,302
RECOVERED.
729
00:36:41,337 --> 00:36:45,824
THERE WERE, HOWEVER, OTHER
WHISTLEBLOWERS WITH WHOM HE
730
00:36:45,858 --> 00:36:47,239
MIGHT HAVE TO SPLIT THE REWARD.
731
00:36:47,274 --> 00:36:51,105
>> BUT THE KEY THING IS, I HAD
THE GREAT MATERIAL EVIDENCE.
732
00:36:51,139 --> 00:36:52,727
HOLLYWOOD BOWL, L.A.
733
00:36:52,762 --> 00:36:54,764
PHILHARMONIC.
734
00:36:54,798 --> 00:36:57,042
THIS IS ARROWHEAD POND.
735
00:36:57,076 --> 00:36:59,251
>> Reporter: YOU HAD DONE THE
WORK.
736
00:36:59,286 --> 00:37:00,425
>> I HAD DONE THE WORK.
737
00:37:00,459 --> 00:37:02,772
I HAD THE CHECKS, I HAD THE
RECEIPTS, ALL THE... THE
738
00:37:02,806 --> 00:37:04,222
ILLEGAL, YOU KNOW, INDUCEMENTS.
739
00:37:04,256 --> 00:37:05,740
YOU KNOW, COPIES OF EVERYTHING.
740
00:37:05,775 --> 00:37:08,502
ALL I REMEMBER IS BRINGING THEM
TO MY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND
741
00:37:08,536 --> 00:37:10,849
MAYBE THERE WERE, LIKE, 14, 15
BANKER BOXES.
742
00:37:10,883 --> 00:37:13,852
BUT I THINK, AT ONE POINT, I
HEARD SOMETHING LIKE 40,000
743
00:37:13,886 --> 00:37:16,337
PAGES OF DOCUMENTS.
744
00:37:16,372 --> 00:37:20,272
>> Reporter: WHILE THE FEDERAL
SUIT WAS PENDING, MYCHAL WILSON
745
00:37:20,307 --> 00:37:23,827
FILED A SECOND SUIT, THIS TIME
UNDER STATE WHISTLEBLOWER LAW IN
746
00:37:23,862 --> 00:37:25,933
CALIFORNIA.
747
00:37:25,967 --> 00:37:28,798
WHAT WAS YOUR GOAL IN FILING
THAT SECOND LAWSUIT?
748
00:37:28,832 --> 00:37:32,422
>> SO, THE GOAL IN THE SECOND
LAWSUIT WAS TO HOLD B.M.S.
749
00:37:32,457 --> 00:37:35,874
ACCOUNTABLE FOR FRAUD ON... ON
BEHALF OF THE PRIVATE INSURERS
750
00:37:35,908 --> 00:37:39,084
IN CALIFORNIA AND STILL BRING
ABOUT JUSTICE.
751
00:37:39,118 --> 00:37:40,844
>> WE THOUGHT IT WAS A RIGHTEOUS
CASE.
752
00:37:40,879 --> 00:37:43,537
WELL, WE REALLY BELIEVED IN
MYCHAL, AND WE... WE BELIEVED IN
753
00:37:43,571 --> 00:37:46,194
THE... THE FACTS THAT HE WAS
REPORTING.
754
00:37:46,229 --> 00:37:48,645
AND WE HAD ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
WHO WERE GOING TO SUPPORT WHAT
755
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,302
HE WAS SAYING.
756
00:37:50,337 --> 00:37:51,683
>> Reporter: THOSE WITNESSES?
757
00:37:51,717 --> 00:37:53,478
NONE OTHER THAN FORMER L.A.
758
00:37:53,512 --> 00:37:56,964
LAKER LUCIUS ALLEN AND HIS WIFE,
EVE.
759
00:37:56,998 --> 00:38:00,139
>> THEY HAD PHOTOGRAPHS OF
LAKERS AND DOCTORS AND THEIR
760
00:38:00,174 --> 00:38:02,107
FAMILIES TOGETHER.
761
00:38:02,141 --> 00:38:05,213
THEY HAD ACTUAL CHECKS, "THANK
YOU" LETTERS, FOR THEIR
762
00:38:05,248 --> 00:38:07,561
CONSULTING GIGS.
763
00:38:07,595 --> 00:38:11,461
>> MYCHAL NEVER DOUBTED HIMSELF
IN TAKING ON A MAJOR
764
00:38:11,496 --> 00:38:14,775
PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY.
765
00:38:14,809 --> 00:38:20,263
I THINK THAT HE... HE FEELS SO
STRONGLY ABOUT WHAT HE DOES, AND
766
00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:24,232
I THINK HE REALLY DOES IDENTIFY
WITH THE DAVID CHARACTER.
767
00:38:24,267 --> 00:38:27,063
YOU KNOW, THE UNDERDOG.
768
00:38:27,097 --> 00:38:30,894
>> Reporter: FOR MYCHAL WILSON
AND HIS GROWING FAMILY, HIS
769
00:38:30,929 --> 00:38:33,414
DAVID VERSUS GOLIATH BATTLE WAS
WORTH PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE
770
00:38:33,449 --> 00:38:35,589
LINE.
771
00:38:35,623 --> 00:38:38,039
>> I BECAME SO PARANOID THAT I
STARTED CHECKING UNDER THE HOOD
772
00:38:38,074 --> 00:38:39,731
OF MY CAR.
773
00:38:39,765 --> 00:38:43,597
>> Reporter: HOW WOULD IT END?
774
00:38:50,293 --> 00:38:53,469
>> I SPOKE OUT, I WAS
TERMINATED.
775
00:38:53,503 --> 00:38:56,368
>> Reporter: MYCHAL WILSON HAD A
LOT RIDING ON THE WHISTLEBLOWER
776
00:38:56,403 --> 00:38:57,576
LAWSUITS.
777
00:38:57,611 --> 00:39:02,374
HE COULD GET A LIFE-CHANGING
REWARD, OR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
778
00:39:02,409 --> 00:39:05,239
>> PEOPLE THINK THAT IT'S EASY
MONEY FOR WHISTLEBLOWERS TO
779
00:39:05,273 --> 00:39:06,792
BRING THESE CASES.
780
00:39:06,827 --> 00:39:09,795
IT'S A FARCE BECAUSE OF WHAT
WHISTLEBLOWERS LIKE MYCHAL GO
781
00:39:09,830 --> 00:39:12,004
THROUGH.
782
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:15,491
THEY HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN A
CASE FOR ALL THESE YEARS, WITH
783
00:39:15,525 --> 00:39:18,252
NO GUARANTEE THAT IT'S GOING TO
LEAD ANYWHERE AT THE END OF THE
784
00:39:18,286 --> 00:39:19,529
DAY.
785
00:39:19,564 --> 00:39:21,393
>> Reporter: THE FEDERAL CASE
ENDED WITH A SHOCKER.
786
00:39:21,428 --> 00:39:23,637
THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
AND BRISTOL-MYERS SQUIBB SETTLED
787
00:39:23,671 --> 00:39:24,914
IN JUST A YEAR.
788
00:39:24,948 --> 00:39:28,711
THE COMPANY ADMITTED NO
WRONGDOING, BUT PAID A
789
00:39:28,745 --> 00:39:31,369
STAGGERING SUM TO RESOLVE
ALLEGATIONS INVOLVING DRUG
790
00:39:31,403 --> 00:39:32,922
MARKETING AND PRICING.
791
00:39:32,956 --> 00:39:36,339
>> MY ATTORNEYS CALLED ME, AND
THEY SAID, LIKE, "THE D.O.J.
792
00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:38,755
JUST ANNOUNCED THAT THERE'S A
TENTATIVE AGREEMENT FOR
793
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:41,551
$515 MILLION."
794
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,349
>> Reporter: HALF A BILLION
DOLLARS?
795
00:39:46,384 --> 00:39:47,661
>> YES.
796
00:39:47,695 --> 00:39:49,317
>> Reporter: WILSON'S
PERSISTENCE PAID OFF.
797
00:39:49,352 --> 00:39:51,665
>> SO, I DID... I DID GET A
PORTION OF THE AWARD.
798
00:39:51,699 --> 00:39:55,185
I CAN SAY IT WAS A MULTIMILLION-
DOLLAR AWARD.
799
00:39:55,220 --> 00:39:57,774
>> Reporter: AS WILSON SET ABOUT
BUILDING HIS LAW PRACTICE, HIS
800
00:39:57,809 --> 00:40:03,090
CALIFORNIA CASE LANGUISHED FOR
NINE LONG YEARS.
801
00:40:03,124 --> 00:40:06,473
>> FOR A LAW FIRM TO EXPEND THE
TIME, EFFORT AND RESOURCES, YOU
802
00:40:06,507 --> 00:40:09,924
HAVE TO BE PRETTY, YOU KNOW,
CONFIDENT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
803
00:40:09,959 --> 00:40:11,063
GET A GOOD RESULT AT THE END.
804
00:40:11,098 --> 00:40:16,241
>> Reporter: HOW ABOUT
$30 MILLION?
805
00:40:16,275 --> 00:40:20,038
THAT'S WHAT BRISTOL-MYERS SQUIBB
AGREED TO PAY IN THE STATE CASE
806
00:40:20,072 --> 00:40:23,628
IN 2016, AGAIN WITHOUT ADMITTING
ANY WRONGDOING.
807
00:40:23,662 --> 00:40:27,459
ABOUT HALF OF THE SETTLEMENT
WENT TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA;
808
00:40:27,494 --> 00:40:31,567
THE REST WENT TO MYCHAL WILSON
AND THE OTHER WHISTLEBLOWERS.
809
00:40:31,601 --> 00:40:40,645
>> GIVEN WHAT MYCHAL HAD BEEN
THROUGH AND OUR OWN FIRM IN
810
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:43,199
JUST... IN LITIGATING THE CASE
ALL THAT TIME, IT WAS A GREAT
811
00:40:43,233 --> 00:40:44,338
DAY.
812
00:40:44,372 --> 00:40:45,995
>> Reporter: BRISTOL-MYERS
SQUIBB DECLINED AN ON-CAMERA
813
00:40:46,029 --> 00:41:00,906
INTERVIEW BUT GAVE US A
STATEMENT SAYING, IN PART:
814
00:41:00,941 --> 00:41:04,116
>> Reporter: MYCHAL WILSON
BELIEVES HE MADE A DIFFERENCE
815
00:41:04,151 --> 00:41:05,428
FOR PATIENTS.
816
00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:08,051
>> MOST WHISTLEBLOWERS FEEL THEY
HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING, AND
817
00:41:08,086 --> 00:41:11,641
A LOT OF THAT INVOLVES BRINGING
ABOUT A SENSE OF JUSTICE.
818
00:41:11,676 --> 00:41:14,955
>> Reporter: IF HIS EXPERIENCE
AS A WHISTLEBLOWER TAUGHT HIM
819
00:41:14,989 --> 00:41:18,372
ANYTHING, IT WAS HOW TO BE A
WHISTLEBLOWER LAWYER.
820
00:41:18,406 --> 00:41:19,891
>> EXACTLY.
821
00:41:19,925 --> 00:41:21,375
YEAH, YEAH.
822
00:41:21,409 --> 00:41:24,309
SO, IT WAS GREAT THAT, YOU KNOW,
WE KNOW THE PLAYBOOK NOW IN
823
00:41:24,343 --> 00:41:26,587
TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, RETALIATION
AGAINST THESE, YOU KNOW, THESE
824
00:41:26,622 --> 00:41:28,037
COMPANIES, SO...
825
00:41:28,071 --> 00:41:30,833
I'M PROBABLY THE... ONE OF THE
ONLY ONES OUT THERE WHO MAY BE
826
00:41:30,867 --> 00:41:33,456
BOTH THE WHISTLEBLOWER AND THE
WHISTLEBLOWER ATTORNEY.
827
00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:34,630
I... I... I KNOW THEIR ANXIETY.
828
00:41:34,664 --> 00:41:40,187
I KNOW THEIR FEELING OF BEING
SECLUDED.
829
00:41:40,221 --> 00:41:43,431
>> Reporter: WILSON HAS BECOME A
VERY PUBLIC ADVOCATE FOR
830
00:41:43,466 --> 00:41:44,709
WHISTLEBLOWERS EVERYWHERE.
831
00:41:44,743 --> 00:41:47,608
HE'S EVEN GOT HIS OWN
WHISTLEBLOWER SHOW.
832
00:41:47,643 --> 00:41:49,507
>> "RAD TV."
833
00:41:49,541 --> 00:41:52,130
THE REASON WHY I DID MY OWN SHOW
WAS TO INFORM THE PUBLIC OF WHAT
834
00:41:52,164 --> 00:41:54,891
REALLY GOES ON AND TO GIVE
SOMETHING BACK TO SOMEONE WHO,
835
00:41:54,926 --> 00:41:57,618
SAY, IS HAVING THE SAME
EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD BUT
836
00:41:57,653 --> 00:41:59,137
DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
837
00:41:59,171 --> 00:42:02,416
AND YOU KNOW, THEY MAY SEE THE
SHOW, THEY MAY SEE SOME OTHER
838
00:42:02,450 --> 00:42:05,350
VICTIM OR WHISTLEBLOWER, AND
SAY, "HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT?
839
00:42:05,384 --> 00:42:08,353
I CAN DO THAT," AND, YOU KNOW,
BRING ABOUT JUSTICE ULTIMATELY.
840
00:42:08,387 --> 00:42:10,182
GOOD GAME.
841
00:42:10,217 --> 00:42:12,806
MY SON WAS KIND OF LIKE, HE HAD
CERTAIN QUESTIONS LIKE ANY YOUNG
842
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:13,841
KID DOES.
843
00:42:13,876 --> 00:42:15,878
AND I SAID, "YOU KNOW WHAT?
844
00:42:15,912 --> 00:42:18,052
I SLAY CORPORATE DRAGONS."
845
00:42:18,087 --> 00:42:20,503
AND I LEAVE IT AT THAT.
846
00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:22,954
>> TWO, FOUR, SIX, EIGHT, WHO DO
WE APPRECIATE?
847
00:42:22,988 --> 00:42:25,577
>> Reporter: TURNS OUT MYCHAL
WILSON LIKES PLAYING THE HERO.
848
00:42:25,612 --> 00:42:33,585
BLOW THE WHISTLE, CHANGE THE
WORLD.
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