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Hey, let me get those.
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It's okay.
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No, it's cool, I got it.
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Thanks.
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Yeah, thank you.
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So, uh, you girls
at the University?
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Yeah.
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Most of the people in here are.
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You're kinda outta the
usual age range, no?
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Yeah, well, uh,
I'm not a student.
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You don't say?
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I did go to university,
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in Washington, in the late '60s.
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Washington? What are
you doing out here?
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Traveling.
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So, uh, you girls in a sorority?
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Yeah.
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Which one?
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Why do you wanna know?
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Just making conversation.
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We're in Chi Omega.
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Nice.
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Listen, we were
just heading home.
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We were?
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Uh, it was nice to meet you.
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You girls won't stick around?
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I'm buying.
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No, that's fine.
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Thanks again.
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Margaret?
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Lisa?
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So, what have we got?
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Female.
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I'd say she's about 16 or 17.
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Christ.
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Ligature marks
around the throat,
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no defensive wounds
on the hands,
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maybe she was taken by surprise.
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Perhaps approached from behind.
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She's been in the
water for a while.
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Hey.
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Hey, honey.
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Oh.
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Tough day, huh?
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You could say that.
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Deb home?
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Yeah, she's upstairs.
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Tell her dinner will
be ready in half hour.
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Yeah?
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Hey, Dad.
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Hey, how was school today?
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Ah, you know, the usual.
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A main course of
government propaganda
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with a side of condescension.
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You don't say things like
that to your teachers, do you?
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No.
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I toe the line like a good girl.
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Thank you.
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You okay, Dad?
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Um, yeah, yeah, I'm fine.
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Your mother said dinner
will be ready in half hour.
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Cool, thanks.
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Mm, that's nice.
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It's so good.
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Water?
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- Mm.
- Did you make this
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from the box again?
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- How did you know?
- 'Cause it's really good.
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Cheeky.
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And it's better than
your other one.
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- Don't be so cheeky.
- Better than my other one?
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Mm-hmm.
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I don't know.
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So...
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Mm-hmm?
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What's happened today?
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Well, you've got a funny
story about Mrs. Appleby,
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don't you?
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I think she stole the
other neighbor's baby.
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What?
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Yeah, 'cause I heard crying
coming from her house.
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Maybe it was her granddaughter.
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Hello?
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It's Tom, sorryto bother you at home,
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but you need to hear this.
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What is it?
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We found three more.
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Three more?
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Bodies.
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In the Green River.
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The ligature marks to the neck
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are consistent with an
approach from behind.
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All the victims share
the same features,
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the ligature marks,
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no defensive wounds
to the hands or arms,
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all had recently had sex.
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Both the missing women
worked as prostitutes.
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They were last seen at the
SeaTac strip, near the airport.
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Looks like we have a
serial killer on our hands.
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This isn't random opportunism.
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If all the victims share
the same profession,
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the killer's
cruising prostitutes.
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These women came
with him willingly.
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He may well be a regular
down on the strip.
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Considering the lack
of defensive marks
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and recent sexual activity,
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the women could've been
killed post-coitus,
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or even mid-coitus.
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Clear signs of
sexual motivation.
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We've had calls from the press.
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This is gonna be big news.
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You wanna handle the briefing?
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Sure.
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Have you
put any surveillance
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on the SeaTac strip?
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No, not at this stage.
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How many officers have you
put onto the task force?
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Um, that number I cannot
tell you right now.
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We'll get back to you on that.
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How much is this
going to cost the taxpayer?
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I can't answer that.
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Next.
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Is there any truth to the rumor
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that the police are not
taking this seriously
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because it involves prostitutes?
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No, there
is no truth in that.
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Anyone else?
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Well, do you have any suspects?
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No, no, no.
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Are we done?
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Thank you for coming.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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Detective Richards?
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Yes.
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I'm Bob Keller,
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I work with the FBI
Behavioral Science Unit.
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Come in.
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So, what brings
you to Green River?
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I saw the press conference.
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I thought maybe I could help.
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You gonna help me improve
my public relations skills?
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You know what we do at the
Behavioral Science Unit,
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Detective Richards?
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I'm vaguely familiar.
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Call me David.
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Okay, David.
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We develop and provide
programs of training,
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research, and consultation
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in the behavioral
and social sciences
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for the FBI and law
enforcement community.
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If you don't catch
this killer quick,
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dealing with the press
isn't gonna get any easier.
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Well, I've set up a task force,
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led by myself and
Detective Tom Johnson.
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We've had confirmation
all of the victims
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frequented an area
known for prostitution.
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It's likely the killer is
a regular visitor there,
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so we're staking it out, as
well as the Green River itself.
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But it may make it easier to
identify the killer's habits
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if we formed a
psychological profile.
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And that's something
I can help you with.
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Sure.
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Have you ever had
any direct experience
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with a serial killer,
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beyond just consulting
on the case files?
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I have.
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Back in '74, I was a rookie
detective in King County.
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Two girls disappeared from
Lake Sammamish State Park
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and several of us were assigned
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to assist the Issaquah Police.
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I became part of a task force.
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We identified Ted Bundy
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as the main suspect
in the murders.
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You came face to face with him?
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Yeah,
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I sat in on one of
his first interviews
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after he was arrested.
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What was he like?
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On the surface, very
articulate, always polite.
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In many ways, he reminded
me of a politician.
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Smart appearance
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and he knew how to dance
around the tough questions
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and divert the conversation
towards his own agenda.
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But you saw through it?
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I realized I had a nose
for this kind of thing.
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I knew the moment he sat
down in that interview room,
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he was wearing a mask of sanity.
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I saw the truth
behind those eyes.
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He's on death row now, right?
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Yeah.
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Actually, I've interviewed him
several times
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since he was convicted.
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There are lots of murders
he hasn't confessed to
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and bodies which
we never recovered.
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I think he will only
give up the information
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if he can get
something out of it,
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like a reprieve from execution.
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Ironically, for a man who dealt
out so much death to others,
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he fears dying.
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So, what are your
thoughts on this one, Bob?
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Can you help us build a profile?
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I'd say so.
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Obviously, the first
determination
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is that these murders
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were very likely the
work of one person.
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The same modus operandi
was employed in each death,
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and body clusters often suggest
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that one individual
is responsible.
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He has familiarity
with the Green River
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and surrounding area.
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This suggests a local man.
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He was likely raised in a
family with marital discord
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and physically and
emotionally abused.
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Possibly even strict religious
or puritanical morals
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imposed by one or both parents.
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I'd say he's currently between
his mid-20s and mid-30s.
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Given that all
the victims so far
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have worked in prostitution,
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we can assume that the killer
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has frequented the red light
district for sexual encounters
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which didn't always
end in murder.
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However, there will
likely be self-loathing
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as a result of these encounters,
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and it may trigger his
deep-seated hatred of women.
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Murderers who strangle often
speak of an intimate connection
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they feel with the
victim as they die.
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It's twisted to you and I,
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but this man may feel
at his most alive
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when he's causing death.
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That's why I know
he'll strike again.
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Every day, he deals with
the scars of childhood,
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poor relationships, and a
generally unremarkable life.
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That buzz he gets from killing,
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he'll seek it out at every
opportunity available to him.
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Strangulation,
same as the others.
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How old is she?
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I'd say she's in her 30s.
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They've all varied in age.
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It's clear that isn't a
factor when selecting victims.
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I bet this one
works the strip too.
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She's been posed
very deliberately.
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There's fish and a wine
bottle entwined with her body.
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They weren't placed by accident.
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He didn't do that with
any of the other victims.
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Could be some kind
of religious motive?
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That ties in with the
strict religious parents
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you mentioned in
the briefing, Bob.
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Could be,
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could also be game-playing.
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How do you mean?
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He watches the news
like everybody else,
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he could be sending us a message
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or having a personal
joke on our expense.
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She was stripped
naked like the others,
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but they found her dress
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just a few yards
down the riverbank.
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We bagged it and took it in.
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No sign of any
other items so far.
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Is he getting sloppy?
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Maybe.
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Or, like I said,
he's taunting us.
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Catch me if you
can, so to speak.
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Do you
have any suspects?
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Out of the way, please.
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Have you
made any arrests?
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No comment.
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Nothing to say at this stage.
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How many
more are gonna die?
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00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:50,887
Out of the way, please.
271
00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:51,622
Excuse me.
272
00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:52,222
Excuse me.
273
00:19:57,329 --> 00:19:59,797
In Seattle,another grim discovery today
274
00:19:59,798 --> 00:20:03,300
that could be connected to the
string of Green River murders
275
00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:05,569
that have shaken
that West Coast city.
276
00:20:05,571 --> 00:20:08,573
Explorer scouts today
found a fourth skull
277
00:20:08,575 --> 00:20:10,540
off in a wooded
area outside of town
278
00:20:10,542 --> 00:20:13,877
where three other skeletons
were discovered this weekend.
279
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,781
Most of the victims have
been young prostitutes.
280
00:20:17,849 --> 00:20:21,051
So, Sandra, how did
you and Dave meet?
281
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,854
We actually went to
the same high school,
282
00:20:23,855 --> 00:20:25,690
but we didn't really meet there.
283
00:20:25,692 --> 00:20:29,125
I used to see her in the
stands at the football games.
284
00:20:29,127 --> 00:20:30,327
I found it quite distracting,
285
00:20:30,329 --> 00:20:33,396
pretty sure I missed a few
catches because of her.
286
00:20:33,398 --> 00:20:35,199
Yeah, right.
287
00:20:35,201 --> 00:20:39,737
Anyway, um, I worked after
school at the local library,
288
00:20:39,739 --> 00:20:41,939
my mom worked there for
years, so she got me a job.
289
00:20:41,941 --> 00:20:43,708
It was just around the
corner from my house,
290
00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:47,744
so I'd go in every day after
school,
291
00:20:47,747 --> 00:20:48,945
check out some books.
292
00:20:48,948 --> 00:20:52,717
I'd find pretty much any
excuse to talk to her.
293
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,153
About... after two months,
294
00:20:56,154 --> 00:20:59,757
Dave had this huge
stack of overdue books.
295
00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,727
I liked talking to him, so
I didn't wanna remind him,
296
00:21:02,729 --> 00:21:05,895
and, um, then he
realized on his own
297
00:21:05,897 --> 00:21:08,766
and brought in this
big stack of books.
298
00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:11,102
And I told him I would
get rid of the fees
299
00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:14,305
if he took me out to
dinner, which he did,
300
00:21:14,307 --> 00:21:16,207
and here we are.
301
00:21:16,675 --> 00:21:18,108
What a great story.
302
00:21:18,577 --> 00:21:20,010
Are you married, Bob?
303
00:21:20,413 --> 00:21:21,645
I was...
304
00:21:22,115 --> 00:21:23,446
to Kathleen.
305
00:21:24,349 --> 00:21:27,817
She died a year ago, cancer.
306
00:21:27,819 --> 00:21:31,055
Oh, god, I'm so sorry.
307
00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:41,632
Hey, Deb?
308
00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:44,969
What was that about?
309
00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:45,836
I don't know.
310
00:21:45,837 --> 00:21:47,771
Do you want me to
go talk to her?
311
00:21:47,839 --> 00:21:48,905
No,
312
00:21:48,907 --> 00:21:49,940
no,
313
00:21:49,942 --> 00:21:51,142
I'll go.
314
00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:53,144
Excuse me.
315
00:21:58,984 --> 00:22:00,183
What?
316
00:22:02,087 --> 00:22:03,386
You okay?
317
00:22:03,388 --> 00:22:05,155
Not really.
318
00:22:05,557 --> 00:22:07,857
Have I done something wrong?
319
00:22:11,530 --> 00:22:16,599
I'm sorry, it's just, I
was at a party earlier,
320
00:22:16,602 --> 00:22:19,336
some guys started saying things.
321
00:22:19,638 --> 00:22:21,204
About what?
322
00:22:22,942 --> 00:22:24,075
You.
323
00:22:24,576 --> 00:22:26,410
What did they say?
324
00:22:28,914 --> 00:22:30,413
They said everyone in town
325
00:22:30,415 --> 00:22:32,782
knows you're
messing up the case.
326
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,051
Some of them said
that their parents
327
00:22:35,054 --> 00:22:38,888
watch you on the news
and call you names.
328
00:22:39,057 --> 00:22:40,857
What kinda names?
329
00:22:40,859 --> 00:22:44,194
They say you
don't have any balls,
330
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:50,233
and that you're too weak
to catch the killer.
331
00:22:55,107 --> 00:22:57,407
I'm sorry you had to hear that.
332
00:22:58,478 --> 00:22:59,676
I know it's not your fault,
333
00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:02,346
I'm sorry for getting
mad, it's just--
334
00:23:02,347 --> 00:23:06,317
You have every
right to be annoyed.
335
00:23:06,752 --> 00:23:10,354
It's my job, you
didn't ask for this.
336
00:23:11,824 --> 00:23:14,924
It's not just your job
though, is it, Dad?
337
00:23:16,596 --> 00:23:18,429
What do you mean?
338
00:23:18,865 --> 00:23:19,930
It's your life.
339
00:23:19,932 --> 00:23:22,566
You and your mother are my life.
340
00:23:22,567 --> 00:23:23,666
But we have to share you
341
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:27,570
with all of the criminals in
this little part of the world.
342
00:23:27,973 --> 00:23:30,508
They get more of
your time than we do.
343
00:23:30,509 --> 00:23:35,346
I'm sorry, Deb, I'll try to
make more time for us.
344
00:23:37,215 --> 00:23:38,449
Okay.
345
00:23:39,352 --> 00:23:40,617
Okay.
346
00:23:52,565 --> 00:23:54,498
He's beencalled the Green River Killer
347
00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:57,401
ever since the first
bodies, five of them,
348
00:23:57,403 --> 00:23:58,701
were pulled from this river.
349
00:23:58,703 --> 00:24:02,338
You know, this issue with the
press isn't gonna go away.
350
00:24:02,340 --> 00:24:04,375
I didn't have any
new information,
351
00:24:04,376 --> 00:24:07,310
there was no point
talking to them.
352
00:24:07,512 --> 00:24:09,579
But we did get
something new today.
353
00:24:09,582 --> 00:24:10,914
Nothing to leak
to the press yet,
354
00:24:10,916 --> 00:24:13,217
but it could change how
you deal with the media.
355
00:24:13,219 --> 00:24:16,519
The posing of the body
with the wine and the fish?
356
00:24:16,521 --> 00:24:17,320
Yeah.
357
00:24:17,323 --> 00:24:19,656
That wasn't part of
his modus operandi
358
00:24:19,659 --> 00:24:21,125
with previous victims.
359
00:24:21,126 --> 00:24:23,493
That was his way of
engaging with us,
360
00:24:23,496 --> 00:24:25,261
or, more to the point, you.
361
00:24:25,263 --> 00:24:28,465
It's like he's saying, "This
is my banquet, Detective."
362
00:24:28,468 --> 00:24:32,569
You really think he sat at
home watching the news reports?
363
00:24:32,572 --> 00:24:33,436
Of course.
364
00:24:33,439 --> 00:24:36,507
Narcissism is one of the
symptoms of psychopathy,
365
00:24:36,509 --> 00:24:37,974
that's the dichotomy.
366
00:24:37,977 --> 00:24:39,876
Damaged self-esteem
on the one hand,
367
00:24:39,878 --> 00:24:44,647
but also a grandiose sense of
self-importance on the other.
368
00:24:44,650 --> 00:24:46,349
In the killer's head,
369
00:24:46,486 --> 00:24:49,586
this murder spree may
be the ultimate game.
370
00:24:49,588 --> 00:24:51,154
Now you're his main opponent.
371
00:24:51,156 --> 00:24:54,592
Sun Tzu, the Chinese general
who wrote "The Art of War",
372
00:24:54,594 --> 00:24:58,863
he said, "If you're
far from your enemy,
373
00:24:59,065 --> 00:25:01,565
"make him believe you're near."
374
00:25:04,436 --> 00:25:06,436
Just something to keep in mind.
375
00:25:16,348 --> 00:25:19,583
As you know, we've
discovered another body.
376
00:25:19,585 --> 00:25:22,752
I won't be taking
any questions today,
377
00:25:22,755 --> 00:25:25,021
I just came to say one thing.
378
00:25:25,124 --> 00:25:28,192
I wanna talk directly
to the killer.
379
00:25:33,798 --> 00:25:35,798
I know you're out there,
380
00:25:36,469 --> 00:25:38,201
watching this,
381
00:25:38,637 --> 00:25:41,572
I don't need profilers
and psychiatrists
382
00:25:41,574 --> 00:25:45,675
to tell me you're a
sick son of a bitch.
383
00:25:45,677 --> 00:25:47,310
You're not even a man,
384
00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:50,548
I doubt you have the
equipment for it.
385
00:25:50,849 --> 00:25:52,449
You're a demented pervert
386
00:25:52,451 --> 00:25:54,417
who doesn't deserve to
breathe the same air
387
00:25:54,420 --> 00:25:58,221
as the people you have
so callously murdered.
388
00:25:59,057 --> 00:26:01,959
You are gutless, pathetic,
389
00:26:01,961 --> 00:26:03,059
and when your luck runs out,
390
00:26:03,061 --> 00:26:05,395
and make no mistake, it will,
391
00:26:05,397 --> 00:26:07,298
I'll be right there
to take you down,
392
00:26:07,299 --> 00:26:09,700
you got that, you
piece of?
393
00:26:09,701 --> 00:26:12,569
That's a promise from me to you.
394
00:26:14,941 --> 00:26:15,739
Thank you.
395
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:20,544
Hey, slugger.
396
00:26:20,546 --> 00:26:21,711
How was school today?
397
00:26:21,713 --> 00:26:22,946
Good.
398
00:26:23,214 --> 00:26:24,280
He made you this.
399
00:26:24,282 --> 00:26:26,049
...Began inthe summer of 1982,
400
00:26:26,051 --> 00:26:27,651
and since then, an
army of detectives
401
00:26:27,653 --> 00:26:29,853
and a multimillion-dollar
computer system
402
00:26:29,855 --> 00:26:31,922
have been unable to
track the killer.
403
00:26:31,923 --> 00:26:32,823
Thank you.
404
00:26:32,825 --> 00:26:34,557
It is a familiar routine,
405
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:36,393
for the Green River Task
Force sifting through
406
00:26:36,394 --> 00:26:37,994
any remaining
evidence on the site
407
00:26:37,997 --> 00:26:41,865
where someone had stumbled
across human remains.
408
00:27:00,685 --> 00:27:02,853
Your office forwarded this.
409
00:27:04,856 --> 00:27:06,923
You haven't been demoted
to mailman already,
410
00:27:06,925 --> 00:27:07,891
have you, Tom?
411
00:27:07,893 --> 00:27:09,593
If we don't
catch this prick soon,
412
00:27:09,595 --> 00:27:10,994
maybe I will be.
413
00:27:24,542 --> 00:27:26,509
Oh my god.
414
00:27:29,848 --> 00:27:31,214
Dearest Bob.
415
00:27:31,217 --> 00:27:33,983
It has been the better
part of two years
416
00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:35,551
since we've corresponded,
417
00:27:35,554 --> 00:27:38,622
and I must admit,
I've missed it.
418
00:27:38,624 --> 00:27:40,190
I've followed,
with great interest,
419
00:27:40,192 --> 00:27:43,727
the case of "The Riverman",
and see from the news reports
420
00:27:43,729 --> 00:27:47,364
that you are advising
the task force.
421
00:27:47,365 --> 00:27:49,400
I recently saw a press
conference
422
00:27:49,402 --> 00:27:51,134
with Detective Richards.
423
00:27:51,136 --> 00:27:54,270
Not the usual police
officer, is he?
424
00:27:54,272 --> 00:27:57,775
He seems to be taking
it quite personally.
425
00:27:58,076 --> 00:27:59,175
As you know,
426
00:27:59,177 --> 00:28:04,347
I have some experience in The
Riverman's field of expertise.
427
00:28:04,349 --> 00:28:06,884
I believe I can help you.
428
00:28:07,086 --> 00:28:08,585
If you have the
time to visit me,
429
00:28:08,586 --> 00:28:12,388
along with Detective
Richards, please do.
430
00:28:12,724 --> 00:28:15,325
Time for me is running out,
431
00:28:15,326 --> 00:28:18,996
I would like to make
use of what remains.
432
00:28:18,998 --> 00:28:24,601
Kind regards, your old
friend, Theodore Bundy.
433
00:28:26,905 --> 00:28:29,373
David, your thoughts?
434
00:28:29,375 --> 00:28:32,241
Well, the key question is,
435
00:28:32,243 --> 00:28:34,845
could he actually help
the investigation,
436
00:28:34,846 --> 00:28:38,548
or would he be leading
us on some circle jerk
437
00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:40,416
for his own amusement?
438
00:28:40,752 --> 00:28:43,386
He has an agenda,
he always does.
439
00:28:43,388 --> 00:28:46,155
What's his agenda
here? To buy time?
440
00:28:46,157 --> 00:28:47,257
Yeah, I'd say so.
441
00:28:47,259 --> 00:28:50,961
Like he says in his letter,
time is running out for him.
442
00:28:50,962 --> 00:28:52,563
He'll do everything he can
443
00:28:52,565 --> 00:28:54,263
to court favor with
the authorities
444
00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:56,799
and get a reprieve
from execution.
445
00:28:58,203 --> 00:29:02,673
What's it like coming face to
face with someone like that?
446
00:29:02,674 --> 00:29:05,843
Maybe you need to
find out for yourself.
447
00:29:05,845 --> 00:29:06,844
At some point,
448
00:29:06,846 --> 00:29:09,011
you're gonna be face to face
with the Green River Killer.
449
00:29:09,013 --> 00:29:10,948
After you meet Ted Bundy,
450
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:14,017
evil will no longer
be a mystery to you.
451
00:29:22,694 --> 00:29:23,894
What?
452
00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:27,131
Two days talking to
a madman in Florida?
453
00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:29,967
Don't you have enough
to deal with right now?
454
00:29:30,269 --> 00:29:32,336
It might be a complete
waste of time,
455
00:29:32,337 --> 00:29:36,673
or it could help with the
investigation, who knows,
456
00:29:36,674 --> 00:29:39,910
but we have no suspects yet,
457
00:29:39,912 --> 00:29:42,613
I have to try everything I can.
458
00:29:45,250 --> 00:29:48,050
I just worry about
you, that's all.
459
00:29:48,653 --> 00:29:50,319
It'll be fine.
460
00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:52,689
Come here.
461
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:07,871
Where are you going?
462
00:30:08,007 --> 00:30:09,506
I've got a few errands to run.
463
00:30:09,508 --> 00:30:13,143
Well, you know you're
looking after Adam tonight.
464
00:30:14,313 --> 00:30:15,846
How come?
465
00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:22,986
I've got a dinner with
Amy and the girls.
466
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:28,858
It's her birthday, I told
you about this weeks ago.
467
00:30:32,597 --> 00:30:34,364
What's the matter?
468
00:30:37,102 --> 00:30:39,236
What's the matter?
469
00:30:42,141 --> 00:30:44,340
I've got something
important to do.
470
00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:46,375
It's been playing
on my mind all week,
471
00:30:46,377 --> 00:30:49,445
I need to take
care of it tonight.
472
00:30:49,548 --> 00:30:53,282
Come on, Gary, I
had my plans first.
473
00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:54,351
If you have to leave the house,
474
00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:56,686
can't you take Adam with you?
475
00:31:08,433 --> 00:31:10,067
I guess so.
476
00:31:11,069 --> 00:31:12,368
Thank you.
477
00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:16,772
I'll be home around 11.
478
00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:19,142
Alright.
479
00:31:57,182 --> 00:31:58,848
Dad, where are we going?
480
00:31:58,851 --> 00:32:03,452
I gotta pick up a friend of
mine, drop her off somewhere.
481
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:39,556
Hello, Bob.
482
00:32:40,558 --> 00:32:41,991
Ted.
483
00:32:57,241 --> 00:32:58,842
Long time no see.
484
00:33:00,045 --> 00:33:01,678
It's been a while.
485
00:33:02,748 --> 00:33:06,717
And this must be the
famous Detective Richards.
486
00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:22,865
As always, Ted, we'll
be recording this.
487
00:33:23,568 --> 00:33:24,934
Of course.
488
00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:33,876
It's the 2nd of September,
approximately 9:30 p.m.,
489
00:33:33,878 --> 00:33:35,912
at Florida State Prison.
490
00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:38,749
This is a tape-recorded
interview with Bob Keller,
491
00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:41,451
David Richards, and Ted Bundy.
492
00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:45,788
So, Ted, would
you like to begin?
493
00:33:46,090 --> 00:33:47,758
Well, this is just
494
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:52,028
sort of a spontaneous
dialogue we're having here.
495
00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:55,999
I'm not approaching it
in any organized fashion.
496
00:33:56,167 --> 00:34:00,002
I don't even know if I can
be of any real assistance.
497
00:34:00,005 --> 00:34:01,971
You're the detectives after all.
498
00:34:01,973 --> 00:34:05,241
We'd value any
insights you may have.
499
00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:08,644
Well, did you bring a
copy of the case file?
500
00:34:08,646 --> 00:34:12,449
Um, I'm not sure it would
be ethical to give you--
501
00:34:12,451 --> 00:34:13,983
It's fine.
502
00:34:45,317 --> 00:34:48,952
The Riverman enjoys easy prey.
503
00:34:49,387 --> 00:34:50,554
The victims?
504
00:34:50,556 --> 00:34:51,353
Yes.
505
00:34:51,356 --> 00:34:54,224
Prostitutes are low risk.
506
00:34:54,226 --> 00:34:55,826
Not many people would miss them.
507
00:34:55,827 --> 00:34:59,496
Who would you consider
to be high-risk prey?
508
00:34:59,931 --> 00:35:02,264
Well, people who
work normal jobs,
509
00:35:02,266 --> 00:35:05,335
have families, social circles,
510
00:35:05,336 --> 00:35:07,536
people who are noticed.
511
00:35:09,041 --> 00:35:09,972
You know,
512
00:35:09,974 --> 00:35:11,942
with all the slasher movies
being made at the moment,
513
00:35:11,943 --> 00:35:15,612
you should stake out the car
parks of the movie theaters.
514
00:35:15,614 --> 00:35:19,382
I am sure you'd find many
serial killers of the future,
515
00:35:19,384 --> 00:35:23,487
people who go to those films
to fuel their fantasies.
516
00:35:23,722 --> 00:35:26,722
When I was a kid, I just
had the detective magazines.
517
00:35:26,724 --> 00:35:28,023
I don't think staking out
518
00:35:28,025 --> 00:35:30,594
thousands of movie
theaters is practical,
519
00:35:30,596 --> 00:35:32,195
given the limited
numbers of police
520
00:35:32,197 --> 00:35:34,364
we can assign to the case.
521
00:35:34,666 --> 00:35:35,565
Perhaps not.
522
00:35:35,567 --> 00:35:38,168
But you could stake
out his old dump sites.
523
00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:40,836
You mean where he
left the bodies?
524
00:35:40,838 --> 00:35:42,005
Yes.
525
00:35:42,007 --> 00:35:43,306
He'll return to them.
526
00:35:43,307 --> 00:35:46,041
He's going back to
check out the scene
527
00:35:46,043 --> 00:35:48,077
and see the
condition of the body
528
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:49,445
after it's been
there for a while,
529
00:35:49,447 --> 00:35:54,784
for, uh, well, whatever kick
he might get out of that.
530
00:35:54,786 --> 00:35:56,152
Necrophilia?
531
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,887
Look, what he's
doing is not normal,
532
00:35:57,889 --> 00:36:01,023
so you can't apply
normal standards to it.
533
00:36:01,025 --> 00:36:04,894
He might just drive by, see if
the scene is being disturbed,
534
00:36:04,896 --> 00:36:07,597
if the body has been discovered.
535
00:36:07,766 --> 00:36:09,166
Well, if it hasn't,
536
00:36:09,168 --> 00:36:12,335
well, he might wanna
take it all in again.
537
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:20,543
Would he go back to a site
after we've discovered it?
538
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:21,478
Oh, no.
539
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,347
At that point, he wouldn't
touch it with a 10-mile pole.
540
00:36:24,949 --> 00:36:28,018
Why do you think
guys like him kill?
541
00:36:29,054 --> 00:36:33,088
Well, there's a certain
aspect of possessiveness
542
00:36:33,090 --> 00:36:34,891
in serial killing.
543
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960
I think that's one
way of describing it,
544
00:36:36,961 --> 00:36:38,195
well, in rather bland terms,
545
00:36:38,197 --> 00:36:40,931
but a possessiveness
where the corpse
546
00:36:40,932 --> 00:36:44,833
might easily be as important
as the live victim,
547
00:36:44,835 --> 00:36:47,137
in some respects.
548
00:36:47,139 --> 00:36:49,639
What I mean is,
a possessiveness,
549
00:36:49,641 --> 00:36:53,175
an ownership, a
taking, if you will,
550
00:36:53,177 --> 00:36:55,744
and that's part of the syndrome.
551
00:36:55,746 --> 00:36:57,447
And I think that's one
of the reasons why,
552
00:36:57,449 --> 00:36:59,748
in some cases, not
all, certainly,
553
00:36:59,751 --> 00:37:03,485
but he might be intending
to return to the scene,
554
00:37:03,487 --> 00:37:06,722
interact with the
body in some way.
555
00:37:08,994 --> 00:37:11,027
According to the time of death,
556
00:37:11,028 --> 00:37:14,130
all these murders
happened on a weekday.
557
00:37:14,132 --> 00:37:15,197
What does that tell you?
558
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:17,967
Well, he obviously prefers
to troll on a weekday.
559
00:37:17,969 --> 00:37:21,070
He might have other
commitments of the weekend,
560
00:37:21,072 --> 00:37:23,405
people he's close to, perhaps.
561
00:37:23,407 --> 00:37:24,873
You think he has family?
562
00:37:24,876 --> 00:37:26,443
Oh, possibly.
563
00:37:28,112 --> 00:37:30,746
What'd you mean by "troll"?
564
00:37:30,949 --> 00:37:33,750
Well, it's what he does.
565
00:37:33,751 --> 00:37:35,284
Watching,
566
00:37:35,721 --> 00:37:36,786
waiting,
567
00:37:36,788 --> 00:37:38,655
selecting.
568
00:37:39,023 --> 00:37:41,358
He knows his hunting ground.
569
00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:42,791
Hey, Julie.
570
00:37:42,793 --> 00:37:44,393
Hey.
571
00:37:44,396 --> 00:37:45,327
This is my son.
572
00:37:45,329 --> 00:37:48,197
You remember, I showed you
a picture of him before.
573
00:37:49,001 --> 00:37:51,201
Oh, sure, yeah.
574
00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:54,336
So, what's the deal here?
575
00:37:54,338 --> 00:37:56,172
You want the kid to watch?
576
00:37:56,173 --> 00:37:57,907
'Cause I'm in to that.
577
00:37:58,076 --> 00:37:58,842
No.
578
00:37:58,844 --> 00:38:00,976
I didn't plan on
bringing him along,
579
00:38:00,978 --> 00:38:03,346
but his mother had to go out.
580
00:38:03,949 --> 00:38:05,815
I figured we'd go to the woods
581
00:38:05,817 --> 00:38:07,751
and he could wait in the car.
582
00:38:07,753 --> 00:38:09,152
I'll be quick.
583
00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:11,887
Sure, I remember.
584
00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:14,824
Get in.
585
00:38:14,893 --> 00:38:17,092
He targets his prey.
586
00:38:17,094 --> 00:38:20,262
He plans what he wants
to do in his mind,
587
00:38:20,264 --> 00:38:22,965
down to the smallest detail.
588
00:38:23,101 --> 00:38:24,233
By the time he closes in,
589
00:38:24,235 --> 00:38:27,536
it's almost like it's
already happened.
590
00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:41,851
Okay,
591
00:38:42,653 --> 00:38:44,521
this is far enough.
592
00:38:46,257 --> 00:38:47,856
You got the money?
593
00:38:57,034 --> 00:39:00,336
So, how do you wanna do this?
594
00:39:01,505 --> 00:39:05,240
That tree over
there, bend over it.
595
00:39:16,188 --> 00:39:19,989
He's played it out inhis mind so many times.
596
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:21,657
But when the time is right,
597
00:39:21,659 --> 00:39:23,326
and he swoops on his chosen one,
598
00:39:23,327 --> 00:39:27,463
well, then it's like
the spider and the fly.
599
00:39:27,465 --> 00:39:30,733
Fantasy finally becomes reality.
600
00:39:30,735 --> 00:39:32,902
And speaking of fantasy,
601
00:39:32,903 --> 00:39:35,003
well, that's what normality is.
602
00:39:35,005 --> 00:39:37,273
What's normal for the spider,
603
00:39:37,275 --> 00:39:41,277
well, it can seem
like chaos to the fly.
604
00:40:48,914 --> 00:40:51,213
Did she get home okay?
605
00:40:53,018 --> 00:40:54,416
Yeah.
606
00:41:03,661 --> 00:41:06,028
Can you go there, Detective?
607
00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:09,032
Where?
608
00:41:09,034 --> 00:41:13,503
Inside his mind,
think like he thinks.
609
00:41:13,505 --> 00:41:15,538
I'm not sure I can.
610
00:41:16,273 --> 00:41:17,639
Oh, you can.
611
00:41:17,742 --> 00:41:22,911
We all have that coldblooded,
primal instinct within us.
612
00:41:23,047 --> 00:41:26,349
Whether you wanna
touch upon your own is...
613
00:41:26,585 --> 00:41:28,918
well, that's another story.
614
00:42:59,043 --> 00:42:59,909
Hello?
615
00:42:59,911 --> 00:43:01,945
Dave, it's Tom.
616
00:43:01,947 --> 00:43:02,978
What is it?
617
00:43:02,981 --> 00:43:04,681
We've found another body.
618
00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:06,782
Shit.
619
00:43:06,985 --> 00:43:09,552
I thought we had our guys
staking out the Green River?
620
00:43:09,554 --> 00:43:10,920
We didn't find it there,
621
00:43:10,922 --> 00:43:14,123
this one was found in a
woodland near Long Avenue.
622
00:43:14,125 --> 00:43:16,525
Definitely him though, same M.O.
623
00:43:16,527 --> 00:43:18,661
You tell the press yet?
624
00:43:18,663 --> 00:43:19,596
No.
625
00:43:19,597 --> 00:43:21,264
I've only just ordered the
forensics team down there.
626
00:43:21,266 --> 00:43:22,231
Call it off.
627
00:43:22,233 --> 00:43:24,534
- What do you mean?
- Tell the team to back off,
628
00:43:24,536 --> 00:43:27,170
leave the site just
as it was found.
629
00:43:27,172 --> 00:43:28,605
Don't tell the press,
630
00:43:28,606 --> 00:43:30,773
don't tell anyone
in the department
631
00:43:30,775 --> 00:43:31,907
who doesn't already know.
632
00:43:31,909 --> 00:43:35,545
Leave the body exactly
where it was found, Tom.
633
00:43:35,813 --> 00:43:37,146
Why?
634
00:43:37,148 --> 00:43:38,780
Bundy said the
killer will return
635
00:43:38,782 --> 00:43:41,016
to where he dumped the bodies.
636
00:43:41,018 --> 00:43:42,184
If you leave this body there
637
00:43:42,186 --> 00:43:43,820
and he doesn't see
anything on the news,
638
00:43:43,822 --> 00:43:46,322
he might think it's not
been discovered yet.
639
00:43:46,324 --> 00:43:48,657
Then he'll go back.
640
00:43:48,659 --> 00:43:51,094
That's when we'll be
staking out those woods.
641
00:43:51,096 --> 00:43:53,695
Okay, I'll go
myself with Kavanagh.
642
00:43:53,697 --> 00:43:55,465
No, no, I'll go with you,
643
00:43:55,467 --> 00:43:57,666
I'm heading to the
airport right now.
644
00:43:57,668 --> 00:44:00,670
I'll be back in a
few hours, yeah?
645
00:44:00,672 --> 00:44:01,804
Got it.
646
00:44:01,806 --> 00:44:03,005
Bye.
647
00:44:23,494 --> 00:44:25,394
Flying solo today, Bob?
648
00:44:25,396 --> 00:44:29,731
Detective Richards had to
travel back to the Green River.
649
00:44:29,733 --> 00:44:32,434
Have they found another body?
650
00:44:37,342 --> 00:44:42,110
Well, I hope the information
I gave yesterday was helpful.
651
00:44:42,112 --> 00:44:43,079
It was.
652
00:44:43,081 --> 00:44:45,414
And since you're
in a helpful mood,
653
00:44:45,416 --> 00:44:49,184
I thought today we could
discuss a different subject.
654
00:44:49,186 --> 00:44:50,952
What's that?
655
00:44:50,954 --> 00:44:52,588
You know, Ted,
656
00:44:52,657 --> 00:44:55,557
there are still five cases
we're concerned about,
657
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:59,628
missing girls,
Washington and Utah.
658
00:45:00,931 --> 00:45:02,297
Okay.
659
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:06,469
Well, maybe we can
talk about that.
660
00:45:06,938 --> 00:45:08,637
I guess it depends.
661
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:09,405
On what?
662
00:45:09,407 --> 00:45:12,375
Did you speak to the
attorney general?
663
00:45:12,811 --> 00:45:14,210
I spoke to him last night.
664
00:45:14,211 --> 00:45:17,914
I told him you'd been
receptive to our questioning.
665
00:45:17,916 --> 00:45:19,548
But truth be told, Ted,
666
00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:21,951
he knows there are a lot
of families out there
667
00:45:21,952 --> 00:45:23,885
that need closure.
668
00:45:23,954 --> 00:45:26,322
But before we get down to that,
669
00:45:26,324 --> 00:45:29,659
has the attorney general
discussed in firm terms
670
00:45:29,661 --> 00:45:35,164
what the outcome of these
conversations could be for me?
671
00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:38,333
He said any information
you can provide
672
00:45:38,335 --> 00:45:40,503
which can give the
families closure
673
00:45:40,505 --> 00:45:43,139
will be given the
greatest consideration
674
00:45:43,141 --> 00:45:44,340
when discussions take place
675
00:45:44,342 --> 00:45:47,744
about the implementation
of the death penalty.
676
00:45:48,313 --> 00:45:50,179
Okay.
677
00:45:50,181 --> 00:45:51,447
Good.
678
00:45:52,016 --> 00:45:54,650
Well, I'm sure you know, Bob,
679
00:45:54,652 --> 00:45:57,753
it all began in
Washington state.
680
00:45:58,155 --> 00:45:59,288
That's where I was living,
681
00:45:59,289 --> 00:46:02,492
where I grew up as a
kid and a young man,
682
00:46:02,494 --> 00:46:04,260
where those kinds of impulses
683
00:46:04,262 --> 00:46:09,398
which ultimately led to the
violent behavior were born.
684
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,599
Yeah.
685
00:46:12,036 --> 00:46:15,304
This is where I'm
a little, um...
686
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,306
The presence of the
officer down here,
687
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:21,344
well, it's a little unnerving.
688
00:46:21,346 --> 00:46:24,514
Some of this stuff I don't
mind talking about because,
689
00:46:24,516 --> 00:46:27,682
well, he wouldn't know
it from Adam, but,
690
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:30,219
well, I can write it down,
691
00:46:30,221 --> 00:46:33,822
or whisper it to you, whatever.
692
00:46:36,293 --> 00:46:37,559
Okay.
693
00:46:55,346 --> 00:46:57,380
Can you hear that?
694
00:46:59,184 --> 00:47:00,782
Yeah, I can hear it.
695
00:47:00,918 --> 00:47:06,021
I just wrote down the
name Joanne Dawkins.
696
00:47:07,224 --> 00:47:08,423
So...
697
00:47:09,260 --> 00:47:13,262
the Dawkins girl's
head was severed
698
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:19,034
and taken up the road
about 25-50 yards
699
00:47:19,036 --> 00:47:21,804
and then buried in a location
700
00:47:21,806 --> 00:47:24,739
about 10 yards west of the road
701
00:47:24,742 --> 00:47:29,010
on a rocky hillside
in Washington.
702
00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:34,349
Did you hear that?
703
00:47:35,018 --> 00:47:36,284
Yeah.
704
00:47:39,023 --> 00:47:42,992
Lord knows what the little
creatures up there did to it,
705
00:47:42,994 --> 00:47:45,894
what those animals
would have done.
706
00:47:45,963 --> 00:47:48,530
Well, I can draw you a map
to where you can find it,
707
00:47:48,532 --> 00:47:49,398
if you like.
708
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,001
Thank you, that
would be helpful.
709
00:47:52,003 --> 00:47:55,871
But first, how did
you encounter her?
710
00:47:56,007 --> 00:47:59,407
Oh, I was making my
way up an alleyway,
711
00:47:59,409 --> 00:48:03,246
with my briefcase,
using crutches,
712
00:48:03,547 --> 00:48:06,748
and a young woman
was walking down.
713
00:48:07,085 --> 00:48:10,253
I saw her walk around the
north end of the block
714
00:48:10,255 --> 00:48:12,420
and into the alleyway.
715
00:48:12,891 --> 00:48:13,922
She stopped for a moment
716
00:48:13,925 --> 00:48:17,492
and then kept on
walking down toward me.
717
00:48:17,929 --> 00:48:18,960
About halfway,
718
00:48:18,963 --> 00:48:20,762
I encountered her
719
00:48:20,831 --> 00:48:23,932
and asked if she'd help
carry my briefcase,
720
00:48:23,934 --> 00:48:25,400
which she did,
721
00:48:25,402 --> 00:48:29,070
and we went back
up the alleyway.
722
00:48:29,306 --> 00:48:31,539
Across the street,
we turned right,
723
00:48:31,541 --> 00:48:36,579
on the sidewalk outside the
old fraternity house there.
724
00:48:36,581 --> 00:48:38,481
We rounded the
corner on the left
725
00:48:38,483 --> 00:48:41,050
and headed north on 47.
726
00:48:41,052 --> 00:48:42,418
About halfway up the block,
727
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:44,420
there used to be
this old parking lot,
728
00:48:44,422 --> 00:48:49,125
which they'd made out of the
burned-out buildings there.
729
00:48:49,626 --> 00:48:52,094
So what happened when
you rounded the corner?
730
00:48:52,096 --> 00:48:54,463
Oh, we went into
the parking lot.
731
00:48:54,465 --> 00:48:55,597
When we reached my car,
732
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:58,800
I knocked her unconscious
with a crowbar.
733
00:48:58,802 --> 00:49:00,335
Where'd you have that stashed?
734
00:49:00,338 --> 00:49:03,806
Hidden behind the
rear wheel of the car.
735
00:49:04,342 --> 00:49:05,474
Did she see it?
736
00:49:05,476 --> 00:49:06,442
No.
737
00:49:06,443 --> 00:49:10,512
There were some handcuffs
along with the crowbar.
738
00:49:10,514 --> 00:49:15,050
I handcuffed her, put her in
the passenger side of the car,
739
00:49:15,652 --> 00:49:17,152
and drove away.
740
00:49:40,378 --> 00:49:41,844
Dave.
741
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,981
Over there.
742
00:49:51,489 --> 00:49:52,989
Wait.
743
00:49:57,394 --> 00:49:58,561
Wait.
744
00:50:04,534 --> 00:50:05,835
Let's go.
745
00:50:07,405 --> 00:50:08,903
Don't fucking move!
746
00:51:25,449 --> 00:51:26,782
Put the fucking gun down now!
747
00:51:26,784 --> 00:51:29,418
Now put your hands on
your head and back away!
748
00:51:30,353 --> 00:51:35,990
Freeze!
749
00:51:35,992 --> 00:51:39,561
Society wants to
believe it can identify
750
00:51:39,563 --> 00:51:43,431
bad or harmful individuals,
751
00:51:44,001 --> 00:51:45,967
but it's not practical.
752
00:51:45,969 --> 00:51:49,472
The truth is, people who
indulge in this sort of thing,
753
00:51:49,474 --> 00:51:53,976
well, they look just
like everyone else.
754
00:51:53,978 --> 00:51:57,445
Their subconscious might
be a raging inferno,
755
00:51:57,447 --> 00:52:02,117
but you'd never tell,
they blend in so well.
756
00:52:02,786 --> 00:52:06,188
This is what it
comes down to, Bob,
757
00:52:06,356 --> 00:52:09,190
we serial killers,
758
00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:11,893
we're your sons,
759
00:52:11,896 --> 00:52:14,063
your husbands,
760
00:52:14,565 --> 00:52:16,465
we're everywhere,
761
00:52:17,335 --> 00:52:23,572
and there will be more of
your children dead tomorrow.
762
00:52:27,177 --> 00:52:29,545
All ofus on this earth
763
00:52:29,547 --> 00:52:32,380
know that there
is a time to live
764
00:52:32,382 --> 00:52:34,650
and that there is a time to die,
765
00:52:34,652 --> 00:52:39,288
yet death is always a
shock to those left behind.
766
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,161
Jesus, Dad, you scared me.
767
00:52:45,163 --> 00:52:48,063
I didn't realize
anyone else was up.
768
00:52:48,065 --> 00:52:49,398
Sorry.
769
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,333
Struggling to sleep?
770
00:52:52,068 --> 00:52:52,867
Yeah.
771
00:52:52,869 --> 00:52:54,702
I have a big test
at school tomorrow,
772
00:52:54,704 --> 00:52:57,773
and no matter how
hard I hit the books,
773
00:52:57,775 --> 00:52:59,909
I just, I don't feel prepared.
774
00:52:59,911 --> 00:53:03,012
You'll do great, you always do.
775
00:53:14,625 --> 00:53:16,791
Hey, take a seat,
776
00:53:17,561 --> 00:53:19,128
watch some TV.
777
00:53:24,902 --> 00:53:26,135
The funeral over,
778
00:53:26,137 --> 00:53:29,405
the saddened group
left the graveside.
779
00:53:39,717 --> 00:53:43,952
Deb, you know I
love you, don't you?
780
00:53:44,021 --> 00:53:47,922
Sure, Dad, I
know, I love you too.
781
00:53:47,925 --> 00:53:51,059
I'm very proud of you,
you know that, right?
782
00:53:51,061 --> 00:53:53,829
You got some
whiskey in that cup?
783
00:53:54,097 --> 00:53:56,264
No, it's just tea.
784
00:53:56,701 --> 00:53:59,768
Then what's with all
the declarations?
785
00:54:02,106 --> 00:54:04,739
I just want you to know
how much you mean to me,
786
00:54:04,742 --> 00:54:06,074
that's all.
787
00:54:07,945 --> 00:54:09,577
You're sweet, Dad.
788
00:54:10,681 --> 00:54:13,248
But I better get back to bed,
789
00:54:13,317 --> 00:54:15,150
see if I can get some sleep.
790
00:54:15,152 --> 00:54:16,918
Okay, sweetheart.
791
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:17,686
Goodnight.
792
00:54:17,688 --> 00:54:20,188
Goodnight.
793
00:54:33,103 --> 00:54:35,271
Where were you on June 17th?
794
00:54:36,974 --> 00:54:39,775
I had to take my
truck to the shop.
795
00:54:40,644 --> 00:54:44,112
Have you ever cruised
the SeaTac strip?
796
00:54:44,114 --> 00:54:47,148
I'm, I'm not familiar
with that place.
797
00:54:47,550 --> 00:54:49,918
His name is GaryRidgway.
798
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,719
He was picked up for
attempting to solicit
799
00:54:51,722 --> 00:54:56,891
an undercover police officer
posing as a prostitute in May.
800
00:54:56,893 --> 00:54:59,360
Tom got a hunch
and ran his record.
801
00:54:59,362 --> 00:55:02,931
He was accused of choking
a prostitute in 1980,
802
00:55:02,932 --> 00:55:04,465
near the SeaTac strip.
803
00:55:04,467 --> 00:55:06,635
At the time, he
pleaded self-defense,
804
00:55:06,637 --> 00:55:10,838
after claiming the woman bit
him, and he got released.
805
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,009
One of our officers stopped and
questioned Ridgway last year
806
00:55:14,010 --> 00:55:17,545
while he was in his
truck with a prostitute.
807
00:55:18,014 --> 00:55:19,280
They also approached this guy
808
00:55:19,282 --> 00:55:23,351
in connection with the
kidnapping of Marie Olsen.
809
00:55:23,554 --> 00:55:24,552
Ridgway was questioned,
810
00:55:24,554 --> 00:55:27,056
but not enough evidence
to make an arrest.
811
00:55:27,057 --> 00:55:30,259
Has anyone questioned the
sex workers on the strip?
812
00:55:30,260 --> 00:55:32,161
Several prostitutes saw a man
813
00:55:32,163 --> 00:55:33,429
matching Ridgway's description
814
00:55:33,431 --> 00:55:36,798
regularly cruising the
strip in the past two years.
815
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,336
Now he works at that
factory down in Bellevue,
816
00:55:41,338 --> 00:55:42,403
painting trucks,
817
00:55:42,405 --> 00:55:44,572
so he would pass that
strip almost daily
818
00:55:44,574 --> 00:55:46,574
on his way to and from work.
819
00:55:46,577 --> 00:55:48,242
Sarah Edgar.
820
00:55:48,846 --> 00:55:51,280
I've never heard of her.
821
00:55:51,648 --> 00:55:53,114
So what's your next move?
822
00:55:53,117 --> 00:55:56,018
I think we should get him
to take a polygraph test.
823
00:55:56,019 --> 00:55:59,855
You know those things can't
be considered 100% accurate.
824
00:55:59,856 --> 00:56:00,789
Yeah, I know,
825
00:56:00,791 --> 00:56:03,291
but I need something
more than circumstantial
826
00:56:03,293 --> 00:56:04,659
if I'm gonna convince the chief
827
00:56:04,661 --> 00:56:07,161
there's a case to be made here.
828
00:56:07,231 --> 00:56:09,697
Do you think he's the killer?
829
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,869
Something in my
gut tells me he is.
830
00:56:14,771 --> 00:56:17,239
Then do what you have to do.
831
00:56:24,547 --> 00:56:27,483
Is your name
Gary Leon Ridgway?
832
00:56:27,918 --> 00:56:29,251
Yes.
833
00:56:31,222 --> 00:56:34,789
Have you ever
cruised the SeaTac strip?
834
00:56:34,791 --> 00:56:36,057
No.
835
00:56:36,126 --> 00:56:39,427
Have you ever
hired a prostitute?
836
00:56:39,429 --> 00:56:40,896
No.
837
00:56:46,103 --> 00:56:49,070
Did you know Julie Kakova?
838
00:56:49,273 --> 00:56:50,405
No.
839
00:56:54,744 --> 00:56:56,911
Did you kill her?
840
00:56:57,347 --> 00:56:58,514
No.
841
00:57:05,922 --> 00:57:06,855
He passed.
842
00:57:06,856 --> 00:57:08,923
He fucking passed.
843
00:57:09,793 --> 00:57:10,858
Ridgway?
844
00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:11,994
Yeah.
845
00:57:13,197 --> 00:57:15,063
You know we got nothing
on this guy now.
846
00:57:15,065 --> 00:57:18,634
We executed a search warrant
on his home, turned up nothing.
847
00:57:18,635 --> 00:57:20,936
The forensics team
test this guy?
848
00:57:20,938 --> 00:57:22,237
They took everything from him,
849
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:24,572
saliva, piss, the whole shebang.
850
00:57:24,574 --> 00:57:25,673
There's nothing conclusive
851
00:57:25,675 --> 00:57:27,409
to link him to any
of the crime scenes.
852
00:57:27,411 --> 00:57:28,643
Shit.
853
00:57:30,514 --> 00:57:32,313
We gotta let him go.
854
00:58:37,313 --> 00:58:40,315
46
bodies found since 1982.
855
00:58:40,317 --> 00:58:41,650
There have been
several suspects,
856
00:58:41,652 --> 00:58:44,652
but a case can't be
made against any of 'em.
857
00:58:44,655 --> 00:58:48,556
$15 million of
public funds spent.
858
00:58:48,626 --> 00:58:52,760
As of today, the Green River
Task Force will be dismantled.
859
00:58:52,762 --> 00:58:56,297
We simply can't continue
spending this kinda money
860
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:57,699
and allocating
this much manpower
861
00:58:57,701 --> 00:59:01,469
to an investigation which
has yielded no results.
862
00:59:01,572 --> 00:59:06,141
I know you were expecting
this, and I hope you accept it.
863
00:59:06,677 --> 00:59:08,043
It's over, Dave.
864
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,480
Respectfully, sir,
865
00:59:12,882 --> 00:59:14,949
it'll never be over.
866
00:59:17,855 --> 00:59:20,054
A sad
and ugly chapter
867
00:59:20,056 --> 00:59:21,389
will end tomorrow morning
868
00:59:21,391 --> 00:59:24,192
as notorious serial
killer Ted Bundy
869
00:59:24,193 --> 00:59:27,528
is set to die in
Florida's electric chair.
870
00:59:27,530 --> 00:59:29,264
Officially, Bundy's
execution will be for
871
00:59:29,266 --> 00:59:33,302
the kidnap and murder of
12-year-old Caroline Keach,
872
00:59:33,304 --> 00:59:38,106
but he was also found guilty
of two additional 1978 slayings
873
00:59:38,108 --> 00:59:42,677
and is suspected in
20-40 other homicides,
874
00:59:42,679 --> 00:59:43,811
at least 23 of which
875
00:59:43,813 --> 00:59:45,514
he has confessed to law
enforcement officials
876
00:59:45,516 --> 00:59:48,349
in the past few years.
Faced with execution
877
00:59:48,351 --> 00:59:51,085
after nearly a decade
of court appeals,
878
00:59:51,088 --> 00:59:54,822
Bundy has attempted to
trade confessions for time
879
00:59:54,824 --> 00:59:55,891
to give lawmen details
880
00:59:55,893 --> 00:59:57,425
of all of the murders.
881
00:59:57,427 --> 01:00:00,561
The Florida governor refused
to make such a trade.
882
01:00:00,563 --> 01:00:05,099
Bundy is scheduled to
be executed at 7:00 a.m.
883
01:00:11,442 --> 01:00:13,208
Bob.
884
01:00:13,876 --> 01:00:15,043
Ted.
885
01:00:16,313 --> 01:00:18,981
You know, I could still
provide information.
886
01:00:18,983 --> 01:00:22,784
I've remembered things that
might help the families.
887
01:00:22,786 --> 01:00:24,652
I know you're hoping
for a phone call,
888
01:00:24,655 --> 01:00:27,989
but I don't think it'll come.
889
01:00:28,891 --> 01:00:32,561
Many feel justice is
being served tomorrow.
890
01:00:33,864 --> 01:00:35,230
What about you, Bob?
891
01:00:35,231 --> 01:00:38,634
Do you think justice
is being served?
892
01:00:39,702 --> 01:00:42,471
I'm not here to
pass judgment, Ted.
893
01:00:43,340 --> 01:00:45,474
Well, then why are you here?
894
01:00:45,541 --> 01:00:48,710
I'm interested in your
thoughts on something.
895
01:00:49,947 --> 01:00:51,480
What's that?
896
01:00:53,516 --> 01:00:55,650
Why'd you go down this road?
897
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,186
Well, everyone asks that.
898
01:00:58,188 --> 01:01:02,423
Yeah, but you never really
answered it before, have you?
899
01:01:03,594 --> 01:01:05,193
What's the point?
900
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:09,530
Help people understand perhaps.
901
01:01:09,666 --> 01:01:12,768
Maybe I can give you
a little insight too.
902
01:01:12,769 --> 01:01:13,768
Maybe the truth is
903
01:01:13,771 --> 01:01:17,672
I don't have an answer
to your question.
904
01:01:19,108 --> 01:01:20,307
Whenever I'm interviewed,
905
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:24,413
people always ask, do I feel
guilt for what I've done?
906
01:01:25,449 --> 01:01:26,581
Guilt...
907
01:01:28,152 --> 01:01:29,751
it's an illusion,
908
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:33,320
a mechanism of social control.
909
01:01:33,322 --> 01:01:37,726
It's very unhealthy, does
terrible things to the body.
910
01:01:38,896 --> 01:01:41,228
What about when you
were young, Ted?
911
01:01:41,231 --> 01:01:44,065
What was your emotional
state of mind?
912
01:01:44,702 --> 01:01:45,967
Confusion.
913
01:01:46,436 --> 01:01:51,072
I could never understand what
made people want to be friends,
914
01:01:51,074 --> 01:01:54,543
or what made people
attracted to one another,
915
01:01:54,545 --> 01:01:59,947
or what underlays
social interactions.
916
01:02:00,617 --> 01:02:02,583
I'd watch people
917
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:05,753
and see them feel,
918
01:02:07,490 --> 01:02:11,425
but, I don't know, I
could never be like them.
919
01:02:11,427 --> 01:02:16,231
Do you remember the first
time you felt the urges?
920
01:02:16,967 --> 01:02:18,967
I certainly fantasized.
921
01:02:18,969 --> 01:02:22,903
Well, as a young
boy of 12 or 13,
922
01:02:22,905 --> 01:02:26,141
I'd encountered
soft-core pornography,
923
01:02:26,143 --> 01:02:31,413
outside the home, local
drug or grocery stores.
924
01:02:31,748 --> 01:02:32,748
Young boys,
925
01:02:32,750 --> 01:02:37,686
they explore the sideways and
byways of their neighborhood.
926
01:02:37,788 --> 01:02:41,822
And in our neighborhood, people
would dump their garbage,
927
01:02:41,824 --> 01:02:43,324
and from time to time,
928
01:02:43,327 --> 01:02:45,427
we'd come across books
929
01:02:45,429 --> 01:02:49,530
of a more graphic nature,
930
01:02:49,532 --> 01:02:52,967
detective magazines and so on.
931
01:02:53,302 --> 01:02:54,936
Well, I wanna emphasize this,
932
01:02:54,938 --> 01:02:58,340
the most damaging
kind of pornography,
933
01:02:58,342 --> 01:03:01,242
I'm talking from real
personal experience here,
934
01:03:01,244 --> 01:03:07,648
is the kind which involves
violence and sexual violence.
935
01:03:07,885 --> 01:03:10,117
The wedding of those two forces,
936
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:13,355
as I know only too well,
937
01:03:13,356 --> 01:03:14,556
well, it brings about behavior
938
01:03:14,557 --> 01:03:17,826
that is too terrible
to describe.
939
01:03:18,094 --> 01:03:20,829
When did fantasy
become a reality?
940
01:03:22,166 --> 01:03:23,030
As a teen,
941
01:03:23,032 --> 01:03:25,967
I was dealing with
very strong inhibitions
942
01:03:25,969 --> 01:03:29,237
against violent and
criminal behavior
943
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:31,206
that had been conditioned
944
01:03:31,208 --> 01:03:34,208
and bred into me
by my environment,
945
01:03:34,210 --> 01:03:38,813
the neighborhood,
schools, church.
946
01:03:39,282 --> 01:03:43,518
It's a very difficult
thing to describe,
947
01:03:43,686 --> 01:03:46,521
the sensation of
reaching a point
948
01:03:46,523 --> 01:03:52,327
where I knew I couldn't
control it anymore.
949
01:03:52,528 --> 01:03:56,565
The barriers I had
learned as a child
950
01:03:56,567 --> 01:03:58,432
were not enough to hold me back
951
01:03:58,434 --> 01:04:02,871
from seeking out and
harming somebody.
952
01:04:04,007 --> 01:04:08,577
How did you feel the first
time you committed a murder?
953
01:04:08,811 --> 01:04:14,282
Even all these years later,
it's difficult to talk about.
954
01:04:14,284 --> 01:04:16,384
Reliving it through talking is,
955
01:04:16,385 --> 01:04:17,786
well, difficult,
to say the least,
956
01:04:17,788 --> 01:04:21,789
but I want you to
understand what happened.
957
01:04:23,025 --> 01:04:27,027
It was like coming out of some
958
01:04:27,965 --> 01:04:32,099
horrible trance or dream.
959
01:04:32,469 --> 01:04:35,103
I can only liken it
to being possessed
960
01:04:35,105 --> 01:04:39,106
by something so awful and alien,
961
01:04:39,108 --> 01:04:40,242
and then the next morning,
962
01:04:40,244 --> 01:04:41,809
waking up and remembering
what happened,
963
01:04:41,811 --> 01:04:45,579
and realizing that, well,
in the eyes of the law,
964
01:04:45,581 --> 01:04:48,215
and certainly in
the eyes of God,
965
01:04:48,217 --> 01:04:50,485
you're responsible.
966
01:04:51,088 --> 01:04:55,155
Possession is an
interesting word.
967
01:04:55,157 --> 01:04:59,327
What I did, it was like
possessing them, physically,
968
01:04:59,329 --> 01:05:03,797
as one might possess
a potted plant,
969
01:05:04,501 --> 01:05:06,268
or a painting,
970
01:05:06,570 --> 01:05:08,469
or a horse,
971
01:05:08,472 --> 01:05:12,773
owning, as it were, this person,
972
01:05:12,976 --> 01:05:18,413
and then taking
ownership of the remains.
973
01:05:19,115 --> 01:05:21,949
But when I'd wake
up in the morning
974
01:05:22,686 --> 01:05:25,786
and realize what I'd
done with a clear mind,
975
01:05:25,789 --> 01:05:31,960
with all my essential ethical
and moral feelings intact,
976
01:05:32,762 --> 01:05:35,996
well, it absolutely
horrified me.
977
01:05:37,467 --> 01:05:40,668
The feelings of pleasure
derived from what you did
978
01:05:40,670 --> 01:05:43,871
clearly outweighed any
feelings of being horrified,
979
01:05:43,873 --> 01:05:46,474
because you repeated it so much.
980
01:05:48,010 --> 01:05:48,876
Maybe so.
981
01:05:48,878 --> 01:05:51,746
Also, when you compare
people to possessions,
982
01:05:51,748 --> 01:05:56,284
well, I think it's hard to
believe that you felt anything,
983
01:05:56,286 --> 01:05:57,686
certainly if in your mind,
984
01:05:57,688 --> 01:06:00,956
people are no different
to material things.
985
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,927
What's your point, Bob?
986
01:06:06,195 --> 01:06:08,228
I've spoken to your family,
987
01:06:08,231 --> 01:06:09,364
quite in depth, actually,
988
01:06:09,365 --> 01:06:11,666
and they were very candid.
989
01:06:11,735 --> 01:06:12,967
I don't know if you know this,
990
01:06:12,969 --> 01:06:15,570
but your aunt has a very
interesting memory of you
991
01:06:15,572 --> 01:06:17,938
from when you were
three years old.
992
01:06:17,940 --> 01:06:19,206
And what's that?
993
01:06:19,208 --> 01:06:22,443
She recalled waking
up from a nap one day
994
01:06:22,445 --> 01:06:23,677
at your grandparents' house
995
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:27,748
to find herself surrounded
by knives from the kitchen.
996
01:06:27,751 --> 01:06:32,954
You were stood by your
aunt's bed, smiling.
997
01:06:32,956 --> 01:06:35,356
Well, I can't
say I remember that, Bob,
998
01:06:35,358 --> 01:06:38,293
so I'll have to take
her word for it.
999
01:06:38,295 --> 01:06:41,528
If it's true, it's very
telling, don't you think?
1000
01:06:41,530 --> 01:06:42,530
How so?
1001
01:06:42,532 --> 01:06:44,898
Well, in my line of work,
1002
01:06:44,900 --> 01:06:45,800
I'm always asked
1003
01:06:45,802 --> 01:06:49,036
"is serial killing down
to nature or nurture?"
1004
01:06:49,271 --> 01:06:50,438
That incident with your aunt
1005
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,606
would suggest it's
down to nature,
1006
01:06:52,608 --> 01:06:55,809
that you were born with
a darkness inside of you.
1007
01:06:55,811 --> 01:06:57,545
But the thing is this,
1008
01:06:57,547 --> 01:06:59,514
there are many people out there
1009
01:06:59,516 --> 01:07:02,217
who are born with
darkness inside of them,
1010
01:07:02,219 --> 01:07:04,719
there are many people
who suffer violence
1011
01:07:04,721 --> 01:07:07,655
or have terrible things
happen to them as kids,
1012
01:07:07,657 --> 01:07:11,159
but they don't all grow
up to be serial killers.
1013
01:07:11,228 --> 01:07:15,030
Is this going somewhere, Bob?
1014
01:07:15,798 --> 01:07:19,266
It's like the parable
of the two wolves.
1015
01:07:19,268 --> 01:07:21,235
And what's that?
1016
01:07:21,237 --> 01:07:23,137
A father is talking to his son,
1017
01:07:23,139 --> 01:07:27,242
and he says there are
two wolves inside of us,
1018
01:07:27,244 --> 01:07:28,809
always at battle.
1019
01:07:28,811 --> 01:07:32,280
The good wolf represents
things like kindness,
1020
01:07:32,282 --> 01:07:33,414
bravery, and love.
1021
01:07:33,416 --> 01:07:38,552
The bad wolf represents things
like greed, hatred, and fear.
1022
01:07:38,554 --> 01:07:41,822
The son stops and thinks
about it for a second,
1023
01:07:41,824 --> 01:07:44,958
and then looks at
his father and says,
1024
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,728
"Which one wins?"
1025
01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:52,833
And the father quietly
replies, "The one we feed."
1026
01:07:56,005 --> 01:08:00,240
And I guess you think I
fed the bad wolf, right?
1027
01:08:00,476 --> 01:08:01,476
Yeah.
1028
01:08:01,478 --> 01:08:02,577
Is it nature or nurture?
1029
01:08:02,579 --> 01:08:05,813
A little of both for sure,
but the bottom line is this,
1030
01:08:05,815 --> 01:08:10,150
we all have a choice about
the person we become.
1031
01:08:10,519 --> 01:08:13,353
We create our own reality.
1032
01:08:17,694 --> 01:08:21,362
Ted Bundy, thenotorious serial killer,
1033
01:08:21,363 --> 01:08:23,398
died today in the electric chair
1034
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:26,533
after a night of
weeping and praying.
1035
01:08:51,261 --> 01:08:53,360
Let me do that.
1036
01:08:54,831 --> 01:08:55,997
So,
1037
01:08:56,166 --> 01:09:00,001
your first press conference
as the new chief.
1038
01:09:00,936 --> 01:09:01,836
You nervous?
1039
01:09:01,837 --> 01:09:04,404
Almost 20 years of
dealing with the press,
1040
01:09:04,407 --> 01:09:06,173
you get used to it.
1041
01:09:06,443 --> 01:09:07,475
I'm proud of you.
1042
01:09:07,476 --> 01:09:10,145
You deserve this, and
you've worked hard for it.
1043
01:09:10,146 --> 01:09:11,779
I couldn't have
done it without you.
1044
01:09:11,780 --> 01:09:15,550
Mm, behind every great
man is a great woman.
1045
01:09:15,551 --> 01:09:17,484
I know it's a cliche,
1046
01:09:17,487 --> 01:09:19,154
but it's true.
1047
01:09:20,524 --> 01:09:21,956
We're a team.
1048
01:09:21,957 --> 01:09:25,326
This isn't just my
achievement, it's ours.
1049
01:09:26,061 --> 01:09:28,195
Can I confess something?
1050
01:09:28,797 --> 01:09:29,997
Yeah.
1051
01:09:31,534 --> 01:09:33,001
I'm relieved.
1052
01:09:33,002 --> 01:09:33,768
You are?
1053
01:09:33,770 --> 01:09:36,637
Mm-hmm, a desk job gets
you off the streets,
1054
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,541
which means I'm gonna
sleep better at night
1055
01:09:39,542 --> 01:09:42,042
knowing you'll be safe.
1056
01:09:47,216 --> 01:09:48,649
What's wrong?
1057
01:09:48,652 --> 01:09:50,083
Nothing.
1058
01:09:51,121 --> 01:09:51,985
There you go.
1059
01:09:51,988 --> 01:09:53,387
Thanks, honey.
1060
01:10:13,777 --> 01:10:17,478
You've faced much
criticism over the years
1061
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:22,283
for your failure to apprehend
the Green River Killer,
1062
01:10:22,284 --> 01:10:26,921
how do you think the
victims' families might feel
1063
01:10:26,922 --> 01:10:31,158
watching your career go
from strength to strength
1064
01:10:31,161 --> 01:10:34,328
while the person who
murdered their daughters
1065
01:10:34,331 --> 01:10:36,163
is still at large?
1066
01:10:36,765 --> 01:10:37,998
Yes,
1067
01:10:38,001 --> 01:10:42,770
I've spent almost two
decades haunted by this.
1068
01:10:42,905 --> 01:10:46,073
My career has progressed, yes,
1069
01:10:46,243 --> 01:10:49,010
but it hasn't stopped
the nightmares.
1070
01:10:49,011 --> 01:10:55,416
My arrest and conviction rate
is the highest on the force,
1071
01:10:55,752 --> 01:10:57,284
but there is not a day goes by
1072
01:10:57,287 --> 01:11:01,788
when I don't think about
the one that got away
1073
01:11:02,458 --> 01:11:04,993
and all the pain he caused.
1074
01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:09,831
Which is why today,
1075
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:11,932
I am announcing
1076
01:11:11,935 --> 01:11:15,069
that I will be reforming
the Green River Task Force.
1077
01:11:17,506 --> 01:11:20,173
Considerable resources
will be diverted
1078
01:11:20,176 --> 01:11:21,643
to resuming the investigation,
1079
01:11:21,645 --> 01:11:24,912
and I will be personally
overseeing it.
1080
01:11:24,913 --> 01:11:28,983
I want the victims'
families to know one thing,
1081
01:11:29,051 --> 01:11:33,520
I will not rest until the
killer is behind bars.
1082
01:11:47,604 --> 01:11:49,537
You saw the conference on TV?
1083
01:11:49,538 --> 01:11:50,671
I did.
1084
01:11:50,774 --> 01:11:53,573
I know you wanted
me to play it safe
1085
01:11:53,576 --> 01:11:54,975
and stay behind a desk,
1086
01:11:54,978 --> 01:11:59,180
but I just can't
let this one go.
1087
01:11:59,682 --> 01:12:05,619
You gave years to this,
I saw what it did to you,
1088
01:12:05,622 --> 01:12:06,554
I'm worried.
1089
01:12:06,555 --> 01:12:08,155
I just gotta get back out there
1090
01:12:08,158 --> 01:12:09,856
and nail that son of a bitch.
1091
01:12:09,859 --> 01:12:11,059
And you think if you find him,
1092
01:12:11,060 --> 01:12:13,828
you're gonna not
be haunted anymore?
1093
01:12:13,829 --> 01:12:17,931
I don't know, but this
isn't just about me.
1094
01:12:17,934 --> 01:12:21,168
You gave your life
to public service,
1095
01:12:21,171 --> 01:12:24,204
you don't owe anyone anything.
1096
01:12:26,208 --> 01:12:31,878
If we'd have lost Deb, you'd
want justice, wouldn't you?
1097
01:12:31,881 --> 01:12:33,314
Yes, of course,
1098
01:12:33,315 --> 01:12:38,118
but you being a martyr
doesn't do anyone any favors.
1099
01:12:38,121 --> 01:12:41,521
When the case was active,
you were here physically,
1100
01:12:41,524 --> 01:12:43,925
but your mind was miles away.
1101
01:12:43,926 --> 01:12:45,292
Is it a good thing for you
1102
01:12:45,295 --> 01:12:46,961
to fight for other
people's families
1103
01:12:46,962 --> 01:12:48,762
when your own has
to suffer for it?
1104
01:12:48,765 --> 01:12:52,966
You know I love you, but
this is how I was made,
1105
01:12:52,969 --> 01:12:55,269
this is what you married.
1106
01:12:57,239 --> 01:12:58,840
Well, if you've
made up your mind,
1107
01:12:58,841 --> 01:13:03,778
I guess there's nothing
else for me to say.
1108
01:13:07,751 --> 01:13:09,550
Well, do you support me?
1109
01:13:10,686 --> 01:13:12,953
I can't do this without you.
1110
01:13:15,057 --> 01:13:19,092
I'll always be by your
side, you know that.
1111
01:13:19,828 --> 01:13:21,162
And I hope when
you find this guy,
1112
01:13:21,163 --> 01:13:25,832
you get the inner peace
that you're seeking.
1113
01:13:40,449 --> 01:13:42,350
One of the victims,
Marsha Intola,
1114
01:13:42,351 --> 01:13:45,853
the one who was posed with
the fish and the wine...
1115
01:13:45,854 --> 01:13:46,654
Yeah?
1116
01:13:46,655 --> 01:13:49,122
She was stripped
naked like the others,
1117
01:13:49,125 --> 01:13:50,957
but there was a
dress found nearby
1118
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,194
which was identified as hers.
1119
01:13:53,195 --> 01:13:55,363
There was a semen sample
taken from the dress.
1120
01:13:55,364 --> 01:13:59,332
We also recovered semen
from several of the victims.
1121
01:13:59,335 --> 01:14:02,235
I know we established
many years back
1122
01:14:02,238 --> 01:14:04,939
that the samples were
all from the same man,
1123
01:14:04,940 --> 01:14:07,408
we just did not
have the technology
1124
01:14:07,409 --> 01:14:09,944
for a more detailed DNA profile.
1125
01:14:09,945 --> 01:14:12,113
So what can we do now?
1126
01:14:12,114 --> 01:14:15,515
Our advances mean that the
sample from the discarded dress
1127
01:14:15,518 --> 01:14:18,219
will stand strong
against the suspects
1128
01:14:18,220 --> 01:14:19,453
we have on our database.
1129
01:14:19,456 --> 01:14:21,889
We should also be
able to get matches
1130
01:14:21,890 --> 01:14:26,394
on the semen samples retrieved
from the other victims.
1131
01:14:27,130 --> 01:14:28,395
Okay.
1132
01:14:28,832 --> 01:14:30,331
Let's get it done.
1133
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,279
These are the results?
1134
01:14:46,548 --> 01:14:47,681
The same guy's DNA matches
1135
01:14:47,684 --> 01:14:50,451
every sample recovered
from the victims.
1136
01:14:50,552 --> 01:14:53,554
I don't even need to open this.
1137
01:14:55,958 --> 01:14:58,458
It's Gary Ridgway, isn't it?
1138
01:15:17,713 --> 01:15:19,514
Let's go get him.
1139
01:15:47,076 --> 01:15:48,775
Put your hands
in the air.
1140
01:15:48,778 --> 01:15:53,280
One false move and I'll put
two in the back of your head.
1141
01:15:53,283 --> 01:15:56,551
Slowly, put your hands
behind your back.
1142
01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:05,626
Gotcha, asshole.
1143
01:16:14,436 --> 01:16:16,069
In the early 1980s,
1144
01:16:16,072 --> 01:16:18,805
the area around the Green
River, south of Seattle,
1145
01:16:18,807 --> 01:16:19,907
was the site of one of
1146
01:16:19,908 --> 01:16:21,475
the most gruesome
serial-killing sprees
1147
01:16:21,476 --> 01:16:22,676
this country has ever seen.
1148
01:16:22,679 --> 01:16:24,712
At least 49 women, police say,
1149
01:16:24,713 --> 01:16:26,380
mostly prostitutes and runaways,
1150
01:16:26,381 --> 01:16:28,783
disappeared or
were found murdered
1151
01:16:28,784 --> 01:16:30,318
along this stretch of water.
1152
01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:32,920
Gary Leon Ridgway,
now in custody,
1153
01:16:32,921 --> 01:16:34,287
was a prime suspect back then,
1154
01:16:34,289 --> 01:16:37,792
but police didn't have enough
evidence to make a solid case.
1155
01:16:37,793 --> 01:16:39,726
Now, new technology, police say,
1156
01:16:39,729 --> 01:16:40,962
has linked Ridgway's DNA
1157
01:16:40,963 --> 01:16:42,997
with DNA found on three of
the Green River victims,
1158
01:16:42,998 --> 01:16:47,100
while other evidence, police
say, ties him to a fourth.
1159
01:16:47,103 --> 01:16:48,202
A team of scientists
1160
01:16:48,203 --> 01:16:51,037
spent more than 800
hours on the lab work.
1161
01:16:55,243 --> 01:16:58,845
They got you chained up
pretty good there, don't they?
1162
01:17:00,382 --> 01:17:01,349
Yeah.
1163
01:17:01,350 --> 01:17:02,817
They must be concerned about
1164
01:17:02,819 --> 01:17:06,020
whether or not you're
gonna run off, huh?
1165
01:17:07,756 --> 01:17:08,655
I guess so.
1166
01:17:08,658 --> 01:17:10,858
You wouldn't
do that, would you?
1167
01:17:11,728 --> 01:17:13,194
Not this time.
1168
01:17:20,670 --> 01:17:22,802
Give us a minute, will you, Tom?
1169
01:17:22,805 --> 01:17:24,171
Sure.
1170
01:17:33,015 --> 01:17:36,516
I'm the lead investigator
on this case.
1171
01:17:37,654 --> 01:17:38,452
I know.
1172
01:17:38,453 --> 01:17:40,421
That means you and
I must've stood
1173
01:17:40,422 --> 01:17:42,922
in a lot of the same places.
1174
01:17:43,426 --> 01:17:45,559
I think we stood in every place.
1175
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,761
What do you think about that?
1176
01:17:47,896 --> 01:17:51,532
You were on one side,
I was on the other.
1177
01:17:51,833 --> 01:17:56,671
Where I killed them, you were
the one who recovered them.
1178
01:17:57,539 --> 01:17:58,939
Now,
1179
01:17:58,940 --> 01:18:00,440
finally,
1180
01:18:00,443 --> 01:18:01,676
we meet.
1181
01:18:01,677 --> 01:18:02,909
Yeah.
1182
01:18:04,380 --> 01:18:07,881
I've been working on
this case a long time.
1183
01:18:08,751 --> 01:18:12,586
Looks like I've caused
you a few gray hairs.
1184
01:18:13,422 --> 01:18:18,391
So, Gary, you've been
pretty forthcoming so far,
1185
01:18:18,594 --> 01:18:21,929
but do I know everything
there is to know?
1186
01:18:22,030 --> 01:18:24,532
Yeah, I'm not holding
anything back.
1187
01:18:26,636 --> 01:18:28,069
Can you really
look me in the eye
1188
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:31,639
and tell me you're not
holding anything back?
1189
01:18:36,612 --> 01:18:39,947
I haven't been, um,
1190
01:18:39,948 --> 01:18:40,847
you know--
1191
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:44,885
Wait a minute, your eyes
are going back and forth.
1192
01:18:47,422 --> 01:18:48,988
I'm not lying to you.
1193
01:18:48,990 --> 01:18:50,591
Yes, you are.
1194
01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:52,960
The thing is, Gary,
1195
01:18:52,962 --> 01:18:55,595
you and I can be enemies
1196
01:18:56,198 --> 01:18:58,298
or we can be buddies,
1197
01:18:58,667 --> 01:19:00,935
that's your choice.
1198
01:19:00,936 --> 01:19:02,869
If you're gonna
keep lying to me,
1199
01:19:02,872 --> 01:19:04,805
then we'll be enemies.
1200
01:19:05,140 --> 01:19:08,641
So, what you gonna do?
1201
01:19:10,779 --> 01:19:12,712
I don't know what you want.
1202
01:19:12,715 --> 01:19:14,614
The bodies.
1203
01:19:17,787 --> 01:19:20,154
There are more, aren't there?
1204
01:19:24,961 --> 01:19:26,159
Yes.
1205
01:19:27,796 --> 01:19:32,600
So, how are we
gonna work together?
1206
01:19:33,136 --> 01:19:36,036
You want me to tell
you where they are?
1207
01:19:36,037 --> 01:19:37,304
Yes.
1208
01:19:37,707 --> 01:19:40,807
We're gonna find every
last one of them.
1209
01:19:46,649 --> 01:19:47,881
Alright.
1210
01:19:49,551 --> 01:19:52,953
My memory is hazy, but I'll try.
1211
01:19:52,954 --> 01:19:54,220
Yes, you will.
1212
01:20:19,015 --> 01:20:22,615
We should've gotten some
champagne to celebrate.
1213
01:20:22,618 --> 01:20:26,787
That's alright, I'm just happy
to be here with you both.
1214
01:20:26,956 --> 01:20:28,855
How do you feel, Dad?
1215
01:20:28,858 --> 01:20:30,157
Relieved.
1216
01:20:30,393 --> 01:20:34,662
But the hardest part
of it all... memories.
1217
01:20:34,663 --> 01:20:38,832
You'll get some closure now
that you've caught the guy.
1218
01:20:41,069 --> 01:20:45,439
Yeah, Dad, it's finally over.
1219
01:21:41,863 --> 01:21:44,564
Bob, what you doing here?
1220
01:21:44,567 --> 01:21:47,434
Thought I'd pay you a visit
given the recent headlines.
1221
01:21:47,435 --> 01:21:51,104
I stopped by the house,
Sandra said you might be here.
1222
01:21:51,106 --> 01:21:53,006
It's good to see you.
1223
01:21:53,074 --> 01:21:54,507
Been a while, huh?
1224
01:21:54,510 --> 01:21:55,943
Yeah, it has.
1225
01:21:55,944 --> 01:21:58,177
I think congratulations
are in order.
1226
01:21:58,180 --> 01:22:00,113
Oh, it was a team game,
1227
01:22:00,115 --> 01:22:01,582
you were part of that team,
1228
01:22:01,583 --> 01:22:03,817
you should give yourself
a pat on the back.
1229
01:22:03,819 --> 01:22:07,688
I think we can all be thankful
for the advances in DNA.
1230
01:22:07,689 --> 01:22:09,189
True.
1231
01:22:09,190 --> 01:22:11,257
So, what now?
1232
01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:12,725
Time to move on.
1233
01:22:12,929 --> 01:22:17,430
Ridgway's behind bars,
the healing can begin.
1234
01:22:19,467 --> 01:22:24,337
You know, there's one
thing I keep asking myself.
1235
01:22:24,340 --> 01:22:27,408
How do we stop this thing
from happening again?
1236
01:22:27,409 --> 01:22:28,542
There are a multitude of things
1237
01:22:28,543 --> 01:22:30,644
we could do to
make a difference,
1238
01:22:30,645 --> 01:22:34,213
greater education from
a psychology standpoint,
1239
01:22:34,216 --> 01:22:37,618
spotting the warning signs
of psychopathy early on.
1240
01:22:37,619 --> 01:22:40,287
From a law enforcement
standpoint, we have
1241
01:22:40,288 --> 01:22:42,823
advances in DNA
and a better network
1242
01:22:42,824 --> 01:22:45,792
of communication
between the agencies.
1243
01:22:46,028 --> 01:22:50,797
But, maybe I'm getting
soft in my old age,
1244
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,565
I just can't help
thinking about it
1245
01:22:52,568 --> 01:22:54,835
from a philosophical standpoint.
1246
01:22:55,237 --> 01:22:56,235
I'm intrigued.
1247
01:22:56,238 --> 01:22:59,907
Well, if those of us who are
positive in our intentions
1248
01:22:59,908 --> 01:23:01,975
spread enough love and light,
1249
01:23:01,978 --> 01:23:03,877
maybe there won't
be so much darkness
1250
01:23:03,878 --> 01:23:05,011
for evil to maneuver in.
1251
01:23:05,014 --> 01:23:08,181
I never had you down
as an idealist, Bob.
1252
01:23:08,184 --> 01:23:10,016
I never used to be.
1253
01:23:10,019 --> 01:23:12,987
But the times, they
are a changing.
1254
01:23:13,622 --> 01:23:15,021
You know what?
1255
01:23:20,328 --> 01:23:22,563
I think you're right.
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