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In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups.

the police who investigate crime, and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders.

These are their stories.

I told you

This has to stop.

Please just leave me alone.

Emily, everyone's waiting to toast you.

You okay?

Gotta keep the bad energy far away, right?

I want to thank you all for coming.

Coming tonight, my fellow free thinkers, my passionate positivists.

Tomorrow we get to share so many of the ideas we've discovered together.

We get to help even more people embrace holistic wellness.

Here's to long, healthy lives ahead.

All right, what do we got?

Female, mid-30s, gunshot to the back of the head.

Name is Emily Starr.

Close range, huh?

MLI said there was some stipling on the scalp from the powder burns.

Time of death?

Body temp indicates between 10 and midnight.

Any witnesses?

A clerk at the bodega around the corner remembers hearing a loud noise around 10.

45 and seeing someone rush from the scaffolding in a puffy tan coat with a tote bag.

Man, woman?

He couldn't say.

Her put a hood and scarf on.

Guessing because of the scaffolding, no cameras.

Nothing functioning around here.

Thanks.

What we got wallet phone that's a pretty nice purse

Emily Starr, your amazing life just got cut short.

How long had you been working for her?

Three years.

Emily was a wellness influencer.

TikTok and all that?

It started that way.

About 10 years ago, she beat stomach cancer, naturally.

She started a vlog about it, that caught on, and pretty soon she was recommending homeopathic remedies for sleep issues, skin problems.

A few years ago, she opened the center here because so many of her followers wanted to work with her in person.

Does Emily have any family that we should be notifying?

No, her mom split when she was young and her dad died of lung cancer.

That's what got her started on her health journey.

Emily was killed on 10th and 27th.

You know what she was doing there?

She was walking home from her book party here.

Did she leave alone?

Yeah.

Were there any problems at the party, any arguments?

No.

It was a great night.

But she did get a call that kind of rattled her.

You know who from?

No.

She stepped away to take it and looked worried.

The ME says the slug pulled from the Vic was from a.

22 caliber.

The Great Sweeps have not found murder weapons, so where are we at with this medicine conversation?

According to Emily Star cell records, between 7 and 9 p.

m.

, she got seven calls from the same number.

And?

Number traces to Skyler Gibson.

Oh, she's another health influencer.

And judging by her social media posts, hashtag backstabber, hashtag snake, she's not a fan of Emily Starr.

She also texted Emily an hour before she was killed.

Watch your back, bitch.

That doesn't sound healthy.

Emily and I used to be friends, roommates for a couple years.

We planned to write a wellness book together.

And what, she went off on her own?

She wrote her book without even telling me.

And last week, I got my hands on an early copy, saw my recipes, my post-sequence.

And that ticked you off?

The wellness market is a $2 trillion industry, detectives.

We all want a piece.

This was a serious business dispute.

Watch your back, bitch.

That doesn't sound very businessy.

Mm-mm.

You got an alibi for last night?

I was leading an online breath class.

The whole thing was recorded.

I never set foot outside this building until 11 p.

m.

Look, I'm sorry she's dead, truly.

Okay, but can you think of anyone who might want to kill her?

Well, her ex-Zayn loved her too much.

Trolled her after the breakup.

Dude had anger issues.

And I'm betting he didn't like that Emily wrote about him.

In her new book?

Chapter 13: Cleansing Yourself of an Evil X.

Hi, Zane.

We're just gonna play a little show and tell, alright?

I'm gonna show you a video.

You're gonna tell me what the hell you're doing.

Sit down.

That's you at Emily's book party two nights ago, trying to get in while that nice gentleman with the iPad is telling you to take a hike.

That piss you off?

No.

I just wanted five minutes of her time.

I wanted to make amends.

Make amends for trolling her online for a year?

Look, I'm a better man now, okay?

I.

I'm getting married next month, and I credit Emily for motivating me to get my act together.

Why the sudden need to unburden yourself?

I mean, do you really think she would have wanted you at her big night?

I heard her on the radio this week.

She was reading from her book.

It's a bit about me, and I sounded awful.

So I went to apologize, and then they wouldn't let me in, so I left.

Where'd you go?

Just a bar I know.

It's a mile north of the event.

Hey, Zane's alibi holds.

Got surveillance from outside the bar.

He leaves six minutes after the shot was fired.

Okay.

Is that a city bus coming up 10th Ave from the direction of the shooting?

It is, which means that it passed by the area of the shooting just minutes prior.

Did you pull the dash cam?

Mm-hmm.

And look what it found a few blocks north of the shooting.

You run facial?

No luck.

The face isn't visible enough.

But the figure does match the description we got from the witness.

Minus the tote bag.

So the shooter must have ditched the tote bag between the shooting and here.

Do you have a map of the area?

Yeah.

Okay, see right there, that passageway that the shooter's coming out of, that's a dead end.

So the shooter ducked in and ducked out.

Call the SRGs.

Sure, there's a couple of dumpsters in that alley.

The gun was still in the tote bag, so it wasn't contaminated with any trash.

Any prints?

Nothing on the weapon, but when we test-fired it, we found something interesting.

See those grooves?

Yeah.

Any matching night pin?

Primer pin markings on this casing are an exact match to a bullet pulled from a convenience store armed robbery six years ago.

What happened to that gun?

According to the file, it was never recovered, but they did get the shooter, got a conviction based on video.

Who is the shooter?

Eric Domingo.

From South Ozone Park, some narcotics priors.

Any idea where he is now?

Looks like he was up at Mid-State, but was released a month ago.

NYPD Domingo, open up NYPD Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Stand back.

Stand back.

You stand back.

There's nothing in the house, I swear.

All right, check it back through.

Make sure it's clear.

You're not gonna find anything.

We're not interested in your dope.

We wanna talk about Emily Starr.

I don't know what you're talking about.

That surprises me, because she was killed by the gun you used.

In an armed robbery a few years ago, and we also have a bullet from it that pierced the skull of a 34-year-old woman.

So, you want to tell us where you were two nights ago?

Around 10:45?

You mean Thursday?

Night?

Yeah.

That was my recovery meeting.

Yeah, yeah, at St.

Mary of Ascension.

Talk to Father Romano.

There were 10 of us.

He had us praying.

Praying to stay clean.

It was from 9 to 11.

So how did your gun end up as a murder weapon while you're talking to God?

Hey, look.

My girl ponded.

While I was in, she needed the cash.

Clayton boys?

You're law enforcement.

That is correct.

We're here about a gun a New York City pawn shop resold to you a few months ago.

Sounds like an illegal firearm and an illegal transaction, which I would not partake in.

That's so funny.

That's exactly what the pawn shop guy said to me right before I threatened to have the ATF shut him down.

I got rights.

I don't have to speak to you.

Oh, we got rights too.

We got rights to get a warrant for all your records, every transaction.

I mean, if you sold one single keychain without sales tax, the state has the right to revoke your business license.

And that's after we exercise our right to get your FFL yanked.

Listen, that 22 revolver was used in a murder.

If you help us find out who bought it, we may just get too busy chasing down our suspects.

We get very focused.

And we just don't have any time to look into your bookkeeping.

At the gun shows, people show up with cash looking for something under the table.

Some sellers unload stuff out back.

You got a place and date for this gun show where this 22, which you know nothing about, disappeared?

Fallen Rock Gun Show, 10 days ago.

There's no list of gun show attendants, but we managed to get parking lot video.

We're in 122 plates.

Any matches to anyone on Emily Star's contact list?

Nothing.

But three were rental cars, so we looked to video those drivers.

Two showed their face in broad daylight.

But this one, the one with the hat down, scarf up

Trying to hide?

That call was rented to a Roger Massey from Darien, Connecticut.

52, married, works for Capstone Insurance.

Why don't you run the rental plates through the MTA and see?

See if that car was anywhere near Manhattan the night of the murder.

And now, does this guy have any link to Emily?

He's not on her client or follower list.

Looks like he came in over the Triborough at 8:18 p.

m.

Went back over the bridge at 11.

52 p.

m.

It's an hour after the murder.

It's calling a warrant.

What in the hell is going on?

We have a warrant to search your premises.

Step aside, sir.

Search you?

What?

Why?

Mr.

Massey, your rental car was in Pennsylvania last week.

Last week at a gun show, where we believe you purchased a weapon used in a recent murder.

Murder?

Pennsylvania?

Well, that's not possible.

My wife was only using the rental for errands while hers is in the shop.

Someone else must have used it.

Carol, come down!

They're here about the rental car.

Rental car?

Hey.

We found this in the garage, trashed, bagged a few times.

We sprayed luminol.

It's got blood spatter on it.

Blood?

What in the hell is going on here?

Mrs.

Massey, is that your jacket?

Roger, see nothing.

What?

Just say nothing.

All right, let's go.

Checking them both in.

He did nothing.

That's all.

Okay, come on, we're gonna let the DA make that call.

You have the right to remain silent.

Do you understand?

Anything you say, can or will be used to give significance.

Do you understand?

Say nothing.

Nothing.

Neither the wife nor the husband is talking.

Nope, not a peep.

And they both have lawyers on the way.

But I did call the insurance company where Roger works, and they say he was in the office on the day of the gun show.

Also, there was only one person in the surveillance video of the rental car who matches her guilt.

All the evidence points to the wife being a single shooter wearing the jacket that was found at the Massey house with the victim's blood.

I mean, Carol's DNA is all over it.

Why does a suburban wife execute a thirty-something influencer?

We pulled the phone records.

It seems like Roger called her.

Twice, five months ago, and then she stopped answering his calls.

What about her?

Do you have any contact with the victims?

She reached out a few times in the weeks before the murder, but the calls always went to voicemail.

So maybe the husband had an affair with Emily Starr and the wife got jealous?

Motive is iffy here.

But we can prove that she bought the gun the week before and then she shot the victim in the back of the head.

I think any grand jury in town will say yes.

So, cut the husband loose, charge the wife with murder, too.

So, what's the connection between Carol Massey and Emily Starr?

Because other than some unanswered phone calls, I don't see that she sent any emails to the victim.

No.

But.

Here's a flurry of emails with someone named Lauren Hope in the month before the murder.

Subject, why won't you listen and stop ignoring me?

Email address is at Hudson University.

Well, according to her social media, Lauren Hope, age 20, used to live in Darien, Connecticut before she went to Hudson.

Huh.

Used to be tagged in her photos as Lauren Massey.

She's the couple's daughter?

Is there a a Lauren Hope in Emily's records?

Lauren Hope.

Oh, just last year she spent 14 grand on Starr's workshop.

Three-day cleanse.

It's a lot of money for green juice.

She also paid weekly rent to stay at Stars Center last winter over the holidays.

Guessing mom didn't like that.

This email to her daughter says Emily Starr only wants your money.

And the woman is dangerous.

So.

Rebellious kid changes name, blows through thousands on fringe wellness regimen.

Mom kills to shut it down.

It's not perfect, but it's the beginning of a narrative.

An illegally purchased handgun.

A week before the murder, the victim's blood on the defendant's jacket, emails detailing Carol Massey's anger at her daughter's spending at Emily Starr's center.

The state has a preponderance of evidence.

Linking Carol Massey to this horrific crime, which ended the life of an innocent young woman.

Everything Mr.

Price said, absolutely true.

The evidence against my client is crystal clear.

What's not clear?

Why Carol Massey had to commit this horrific crime?

Well, I'll tell you, because Emily Starr is not, as Mr.

Price would have you believe, an innocent woman.

She was instead.

A deadly, imminent threat to the defendant's daughter, Lauren Massey.

Twenty-year-old Lauren nearly died under Emily Starr's so-called care.

And would have died had Carol Nassey not acted.

My client only killed Emily Starr to save her daughter's life.

This was an incontrovertible defense of others.

Objection, Your Honor, this is.

Unfair surprise.

Chambers.

Emily Starr was unarmed when she was shot.

We're not saying she was a threat to Carol Massey.

She was an imminent threat to Lauren.

Who was nowhere near the crime scene?

Your Honor, Lauren Massey has not responded to us, but maybe.

We can confirm that she was three miles from the shooting that night.

Is this true?

It's irrelevant to our defense.

Your Honor, Lauren Massey suffers from acute lymphocytic leukemia.

She won't respond to Mr.

Price.

because she was in the hospital, finally receiving proper medical care.

Your Honor, Section 3515, New York State Code, mandates that defense of others can only be invoked to stop the use of unlawful physical force against someone.

Physical harm was a component.

Emily Starr made Lauren Massey forsake life-saving medical treatment.

But her advice wasn't unlawful, and the defendant was too far from her daughter at the time of the shooting.

To possibly meet the reasonable belief standard that her daughter's death was imminent.

Your Honor, we will present science to show her death was imminent due to Emily Starr's reckless remedies.

Lauren Massey was on the brink of death till her mother intervened.

I'll allow.

The defense is totally meritless, but.

Need to be ready for whatever accusations they throw at the victim.

So, what did Emily Starr actually say about cancer?

Juicing cleanses the body of toxins and fights disease.

And rebalancing the body's pH level can kill cancer.

pH level, that is a nice touch.

So, Emily Starr peddled in unproven remedies, and a teenager ended up dangerously sick.

Yeah, but Emily didn't use physical force against law, and it doesn't meet the legal standard of the defense.

May not matter to the jury.

Defense is going to have a field day presenting Emily's homeopathic nonsense.

They will go for jury nullification and force us to defend her pH juice cleanses.

Dolan, just so you know, I don't think homeopathy is nonsense.

And I'm going to bet there are a few jury members who are just like me.

I actually followed Emily Starr.

You can't just dismiss an entire field.

As it pertains to this case, the defense will paint Emily Starr as a deadly snake oil saleswoman, and they will argue that the stakes for Lauren Massey, who is battling a serious leukemia,

We're life and death.

It's not going to be hard for the defense to garner sympathy for the mom of a cancer victim.

Okay.

So we remind the jury that this is about free speech.

It's about guarding care options they may very well want.

We defend Emily's integrity and we make damn sure she's sympathetic as well.

Healing others was her life's calling.

She wanted people to know they had choices outside of the establishment.

How did she help you?

I was an addict.

Opioids.

She walked me through detox, gave me natural remedies for the pain, sat with me through the worst of it.

Did Emily ever prevent you getting a second opinion from a real doctor?

No, but I've honestly been so healthy it hasn't even crossed my mind.

I owe everything to her guidance.

Nothing further.

How much did Emily's guidance cost?

I can't say exactly.

Ballpark, last year, how much did she make?

I mean, you had access to her business statements.

It was around $700,000.

Wow.

But her company earnings allowed her to grow her platform, reach more people.

How much money did Emily make off Lauren Massey, the defendant's daughter?

I'm not sure.

Your Honor, I'm handing over what has been marked Exhibit A, Lauren Massey's payment records to Star Serenity Center.

Would you read aloud the total amount?

$23,204.

$23,000.

Was that for high-tech machines, CT scans, MRIs?

Cutting-edge medicine.

She offered a full homeopathic regimen of juice, herbal teas, enemas, exercise.

Were you aware that doctors, people with actual medical degrees who study cancer had given Lauren an 85 to 100%

Long-term survival rate if she underwent chemo and radiation, but that if her cancer went untreated by those tested therapies, they estimated that she had only a year to live.

I don't think.

Your Honor, Mrs.

Siriani's questions are outside the scope of the witness's testimony.

Withdrawn.

But just so I can completely wrap my head around the finances.

True or false?

Emily Starr asked Lauren Massey to pay her $23,000

To be killed slowly within a year.

Objection.

Withdrawn.

Nothing further.

Get this.

Influencers' followers sing her holistic praises.

Emily Starr's subscribers list is growing.

Her followers are making TikTok testimonials.

After the defense painted her as a crook.

Yes, all price is good press.

Not according to the oncology community.

They're up in arms about all this anti-science wellness stuff.

They have officially denounced Emily, her center, and

18,000 other TikTok influencers whose cancer cures have no basis in science.

18,000?

That's a lot.

Yeah, it is.

And that could be useful.

And when did you learn that Lauren had decided on Emily Starr's so-called therapy?

Lauren missed a follow-up with her oncologist.

So I called her.

She said.

Big business had caused her cancer.

She didn't want big pharma to profit off her treatment.

She told us she was changing her name to reflect this new outlook, Lauren Hope.

And uh she didn't want my dangerous and doom-filled advice.

I was so confused, and then eventually we found a credit card bill for Star Serenity Center and

Figured out who Emily Starr was.

And what was the status of Lauren's cancer during this time?

We didn't know.

But last June, we got a phone call from an ambulance.

Lauren had collapsed in a store.

At the hospital, we got her an MRI, and the cancer, it was all over her insides, it was just eating her away.

And we thought this would snap her back to her senses, but Emily told her it was a natural cleansing stage.

That what she needed was rest at the center.

My husband and I had four different oncologists look at Lauren's scans, and they all said the same thing, that she would be dead within months.

Did you give this information to Lauren?

We couldn't.

Emily told her to avoid upsetting contact.

I couldn't find her at her dorm.

I didn't know if she was at the center or on a trip.

All I knew was that.

She was gonna die very soon.

Nothing further.

Mrs.

Massey, I can only imagine how stressful it is

To have a sick child, and I applaud your efforts to get her the best treatment.

Thank you.

She had chemo and radiation, correct?

At the start, yes.

So your daughter was well versed in the care options available, and yet she chose something else?

No.

She was led to believe that this juice option could be as effective as radiation and chemo.

And then Emily told her that she was better.

That's not a choice, that's a con.

You admit freely to shooting Emily Starr.

I do.

Because of the dangerous advice she gave your daughter?

Yes.

Did you know, Mrs.

Massey, that

Just last year, over 18,000 wellness advisors recommended alternatives to chemo and radiation.

Would you kill them all?

Those thousands didn't.

Shut my daughter away from her parents.

Is that what this is about?

Anger that Emily Starr assumed your role?

No.

Is that why you could think of no other remedy but to shoot her?

I just.

Went there to scare her, to beg her to leave Lauren alone.

With a loaded gun that you had driven across state lines to purchase.

Lauren needed treatment.

She needed a doctor.

Emily walked away.

Her spell over my daughter, it needed to be broken.

My baby was gonna die.

I wasn't gonna let that happen.

So, yes, I.

I shot her.

Nothing further.

Let's adjourn for the day.

Well, the jury knows the mom legally over.

Just not sure they care.

She was very sympathetic.

Well, you're assuming the jury can't keep their emotions out of this?

No, I'm assuming.

They think the mother was suffering some sort of extreme emotional distress when she was confronted with how dangerously her daughter's cancer had spread.

The girl

Was on the precipice of death.

Okay, no, Lion.

Don't go soft on me.

Okay, not now.

Look, I'm truly sorry for what that woman went through, but no way did she lose her hold.

Well, get ready to contend with another sympathetic witness.

Lauren Massey's out of the hospital.

Lauren, thank you for coming today.

I know it took a lot to get here.

It did.

But I'm just grateful to be alive.

And I owe it to my mother.

Lauren, the jury has heard about Emily Starr's regiment, and there's been some speculation as to how and why you came to follow her advice.

Could you tell us in your own words?

I hated being a girl with a disease.

Emily made it seem like there was an easy way to get better.

The things the oncologist had told me didn't seem real.

Emily preyed upon that.

Then made sure hers was the only voice I heard.

Told me my cancer was gone.

Do you understand how crazy that is?

Did you show them the scans of what was going on inside me, the scans she prevented me from seeing?

Thank God for my mother.

Or I wouldn't be here.

Thank you, Lauren.

Nothing further.

I know you have been through a lot and clearly love your mother very much.

I do.

And you expressed dismay that Emily had lied to you, so I want to give you a chance to be honest.

You were nineteen when you decided to stop chemo and follow Emily's health recommendations?

Yes.

Of legal age to make medical decisions for yourself.

Yes.

Did Emily ever tell you she had medical training?

No.

And you understood that your doctor had recommended chemo and and radiation?

Yes.

Did Emily Starr ever lock you in a room?

No, but

She restrained me psychologically.

Told me to cut ties with anyone negative.

My parents.

My doctor.

She said their fear-mongering would make my care.

Or worse.

And you believed her.

When you're sick, you want it to go away so badly.

Any liar can own you.

My actual doctor?

He's not allowed to lie.

You all won't let him.

He had to tell me the treatment was going to be awful.

Why was Emily allowed to say anything?

It almost cost me my life.

I'm only better now because I finally saw the MRIs.

I saw proof.

That my cancer had gotten worse under Emily's care.

In all of this, my mother was the only person willing to fight for me, save me.

Please don't punish her.

Nothing for

Tough witness push too hard, backfires.

I can tell the jury feels really sorry for the daughter and the mom.

Frankly, Sam, I'm feeling it myself.

It doesn't justify murder.

A TikTok star convincing a teenager with cancer to forego life-saving treatment, that is bad enough, but.

Preventing the girl from receiving critical medical information from an actual oncologist after she collapsed.

All she did was tell Lauren to stay off email.

And to avoid speaking with her parents.

That's not free speech, Sam.

That's coercion.

Emily Starr assumed a duty of care when Lauren was at her center, and she violated it.

So now you're saying that the mother was reasonable in believing that this was the only way to save her daughter's life?

Reasonable?

No.

Understandable?

Well, then, what happened to the law is your compass.

My mother died of breast cancer.

I'm so sorry.

And the treatments, they were pretty brutal.

She'd always been a high octane war.

She was a lawyer.

She was a damn good one.

And she hated being so drained.

And then she started reading about homeopathic treatments.

Eventually she fell for the hope pitch.

She stopped chemo for a few months.

She got her hair back.

She got s some energy back.

But that cost her.

A year of her life.

When you are that sick, you are vulnerable.

Yeah.

But we need to get justice for Emily.

Yes.

But uh man won in in fifteen years is not a terrible outcome.

I'm not sure it's the just or appropriate outcome.

Oh, you want to risk losing this whole thing to jury nullification?

I'll set up the meeting.

Man one is a good offer, Carol.

But it's an admission of guilt.

You killed an unarmed woman.

I saved my daughter's life.

And I stand by the fact that Emily Starr's actions were deadly.

Mrs.

Massey, I am sympathetic to the horrible situation that you faced.

That's why we're here with an offer.

Very fair offer.

If you decline, the charge goes back to murder too, which carries a minimum sentence of fifteen years to life.

Think about Lauren.

Your daughter needs you.

I am thinking about Lauren and all the other Laurens out there.

Emily Starr's business is booming.

This is dangerous.

People need to know the truth.

Seems like a pretty emphatic no.

Come on.

The verdict is uh toss-up at best.

I feel sorry for her, but I don't want anyone to walk for a crime like this.

If the jury is leaning into sympathy and emotion, let's play the game.

Meaning Emily had battled cancer herself, right?

She went through the same fear, same struggle.

Do you want to call a rebuttal witness?

Someone to remind the jury that Emily had legitimate personal reasons for her unusual recommendations, that it wasn't about greed, it was about choices that worked for her.

In her book, Emily writes about her cancer support group back in Pennsylvania.

I'll find them.

I heard about the court case.

I've just been too busy to follow it all.

Oh, I appreciate you taking the time to meet with me.

We're trying to paint a full picture of Emily.

It would be really useful to hear about her back when she joined your support group.

Well, Emily, um bundle of energy and positivity.

It was really inspiring at first.

You know, a lot of us were battling depression, struggling with our families.

I had just lost my consulting job because I'd taken so much time off of treatments, couldn't stay on my feet.

Emily got me feeling hopeful again.

You said it was inspiring at first.

Did something change?

It's just.

We'd all jumped in, drinking her teas and juices, but also doing our treatments.

We felt a little better, but Emily.

She had adenocarcinoma.

Stomach cancer.

It's brutal.

But she never had any weight loss, no abdominal pain, never even got tired.

I mean, Emily Starr never did any wrong by me, but don't you think that's strange?

No, no evidence of any tumor tissue and not a.

A single microscopic trace of a cancerous cell in her body.

And the stomach was in excellent shape.

You get a chance to talk to her diagnosing doctor?

No hospital within 200 miles of Emily's home.

Town where she says she was diagnosed with cancer, has a record of ever admitting her for anything.

Well, then I'm going to say she didn't beat cancer.

She never had it.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Emily's a whole foundation.

Story was a lie.

Jury is going to loathe her and quite possibly let the mom walk.

Why does the jury need to know?

This doesn't meet the Brady standard.

Sam, we've been in court defending Emily's right to share her theory of self-healing.

But it isn't exculpatory, and it sure as hell doesn't give the mom the right to gun her down.

Oh.

Of course it doesn't, but it does show that Carol Massey's mistrust was warranted, that she was right to think that she was full of crap, and that, in my opinion, is

Favorable to the defense, and quite frankly, the jury should know this, and so should her followers sitting in court.

Dolan, like you always say, her job is to follow the law.

And in my opinion, this information is irrelevant to Carol Massey's defense.

It has nothing to do with her daughter's imminent death.

So you think we should just sit on it?

Yes.

We have to.

One thing is clear.

Carol Massey killed Emily Starr.

And despite her extensive efforts to get away with it, she was caught.

Once caught, she couldn't contest the evidence, so she told you.

She had to do it because Emily Starr was about to kill her daughter.

This young wellness influencers.

Unconventional ideas were, according to Carol Massey, tantamount to homicide.

Fortunately for you, she's made your job easy because the law is crystal clear.

About what it considers a legitimate defense of others, the harm averted must be unlawful and imminent.

In this case, neither standard was met.

The defense called no expert to testify that Lauren was going to die that night or even that week.

More important, Emily broke no laws in advising Lauren.

In fact, for seven years as an active influencer, not a single civil or criminal charge was brought against her.

You want to know what unlawful physical force looks like?

It's this.

That is the person who needed protecting that night.

A young woman walking home from her own.

Own party when a gun was put to her head.

None of us could offer her that protection, but we can offer her justice.

It's okay to empathize and

And to sympathize with Carol Massey, I do.

But you cannot let her get away with murder.

Members of the jury, have you reached a verdict?

We have, Your Honor.

On the count of murder in the second degree, we find the defendant guilty.

Members of the jury, we thank you for your service.

We are adjourned.

Bob.

I'm sorry.

I'm so sorry.

Mr.

Price, we wanted to thank you for getting Emily justice.

As a great prosecutor once told me, a good person killed.

A bad person is still murder.