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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,520 --> 00:00:09,480 In the criminal justice system, sexually based offenses are considered 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:10,620 especially heinous. 3 00:00:10,900 --> 00:00:14,960 In New York City, the dedicated detectives who investigate these vicious 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,300 felonies are members of an elite squad known as the Special Victims Unit. These 5 00:00:19,300 --> 00:00:20,300 are their stories. 6 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,160 What the hell? That's my car. 7 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:46,680 Hey, don't give him any closer. Look what you did. He said stand back. 8 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,700 What is it? 9 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:54,760 Police! 10 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:58,840 Hey, watch where you're going. 11 00:00:59,780 --> 00:01:00,780 Don't move. 12 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:01,960 Put your hands on the car. 13 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:03,400 Go. 14 00:01:04,540 --> 00:01:07,460 Are you all right? Do you need an ambulance? 15 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,140 No. I'm okay. 16 00:01:09,580 --> 00:01:10,580 What happened? 17 00:01:11,340 --> 00:01:15,100 I just came out and found them messing up my car. Any idea why? 18 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,120 I mean, I guess that. 19 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:25,680 I take it you're that. 20 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,120 I just think it's important to believe victims. 21 00:01:32,780 --> 00:01:35,440 Well, I couldn't agree more. 22 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,440 But are you saying that you're a victim? I'm saying when people speak up, nobody 23 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:40,440 listens. I'm listening. 24 00:01:40,979 --> 00:01:44,400 Margo, I'm all ears. No, you're going to say what everyone else says. What was 25 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,018 she wearing? 26 00:01:45,020 --> 00:01:45,939 Was she drinking? 27 00:01:45,940 --> 00:01:47,900 Okay, Margo, please. Just yes or no. 28 00:01:48,460 --> 00:01:50,320 Were you a victim of sexual assault? 29 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,860 You see, you're not listening. 30 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,660 This all got out of hand. Nobody intended for anybody to get hurt. 31 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,700 Yeah, kind of hard to buy that when you show up with a baseball bat, Harrison. 32 00:02:02,340 --> 00:02:04,000 Margo said it was just a precaution. 33 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,200 What else did Margo say? 34 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,160 That it's important to take a stand. 35 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:10,759 And it is. 36 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,040 And that we should believe women, and I do. 37 00:02:13,340 --> 00:02:16,920 You always do what Margo tells you. She's very, very smart. 38 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,520 And she cares about the world. 39 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,240 And justice. 40 00:02:23,460 --> 00:02:25,160 And she's smart. 41 00:02:25,420 --> 00:02:28,680 And she told you that Zach was a rapist? 42 00:02:29,340 --> 00:02:31,340 I am not a rapist. 43 00:02:31,790 --> 00:02:33,670 I don't even know what they're talking about. 44 00:02:33,890 --> 00:02:38,190 You've never met either of them? No. A couple days ago, I started getting all 45 00:02:38,190 --> 00:02:43,430 these DMs on my socials. They found my work email. Total strangers saying I 46 00:02:43,430 --> 00:02:44,430 raped somebody. 47 00:02:44,530 --> 00:02:47,610 Zach, what I need you to focus on is why they'd get this idea about you. 48 00:02:48,090 --> 00:02:49,390 Man, I don't know. 49 00:02:50,530 --> 00:02:53,670 They're crazy. You know, mistaken identity. 50 00:02:53,890 --> 00:02:56,530 I don't even know who's saying I did that. 51 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,400 Marco, this is not a trick question. 52 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,800 It's yes or no. Is the victim a friend of yours or not? What if she's not? 53 00:03:04,260 --> 00:03:05,500 Do we have to be besties? 54 00:03:05,740 --> 00:03:10,820 Oh, my God. You don't have to be anything. I don't know how to get 55 00:03:10,820 --> 00:03:16,140 you. I cannot move forward with this investigation until I have a name. 56 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,220 Who is this victim you are avenging? 57 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,160 Like a name? 58 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,060 Yeah. Exactly. Like a name. 59 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,920 I don't actually know her real life name. 60 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:31,480 I never met her. 61 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,500 You never had one conversation with her. No, but it doesn't matter. What matters 62 00:03:35,500 --> 00:03:38,340 is we found her rapist and you didn't. Okay, Margo. 63 00:03:38,700 --> 00:03:40,560 I need you to get me something to investigate. 64 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,040 Just one thing. 65 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,400 It could be anything. I need you to give me one thing. 66 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:54,700 Her name is Jaded Ember. 67 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,140 She's a VTuber on Twitch. 68 00:03:57,980 --> 00:03:59,800 Like a virtual streamer. 69 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:04,840 I 70 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:11,660 mean... 71 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,180 You'd have to be crazy to ignore that. 72 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,160 How could we just not try to help? 73 00:05:22,190 --> 00:05:26,110 So we think he's casing the houses until the occupants leave. So I'm assigning 74 00:05:26,110 --> 00:05:27,770 an additional unit to Sector David. 75 00:05:28,210 --> 00:05:29,210 Questions? 76 00:05:29,870 --> 00:05:34,550 All right. Then let's focus on quality stops and good collars and make sure 77 00:05:34,550 --> 00:05:38,550 body cams are up and running. Be professional, respectful, and everyone 78 00:05:38,550 --> 00:05:39,550 back in one piece. 79 00:05:39,870 --> 00:05:41,310 All right. Thanks. This is Smith. 80 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:49,640 Not one officer checking their phone name looks like you. Well, there may or 81 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,260 not be a rumor going around that anyone not paying attention to the role gets 82 00:05:53,260 --> 00:05:54,260 zero OT. 83 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:55,660 You're laying down the hammer. 84 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,040 Guess I'm a natural. 85 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:00,660 I don't like this. 86 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,540 Nothing to like. It is what it is. 87 00:06:03,820 --> 00:06:05,700 Yeah, but can I still be mad for you? 88 00:06:08,140 --> 00:06:12,880 Uh, shoot, I got a, uh, budgeting meeting coming up, but tell Griff if he 89 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,560 parks in front of the precinct again, I'm gonna have his ass towed. 90 00:06:21,140 --> 00:06:25,440 I'm not gonna lie, that interview from last night kind of broke my brain. Yeah, 91 00:06:25,500 --> 00:06:28,740 I feel like I know less after talking to them than I did after reading that two 92 00:06:28,740 --> 00:06:29,740 -sentence police report. 93 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,740 I had to cut Zach Lewis. He said he'd stay in town. Yeah, we got nothing to 94 00:06:32,740 --> 00:06:33,740 him on. What I meant. 95 00:06:34,090 --> 00:06:37,810 A whole lot of questions. Okay, so I found the rest of that clip from Jaded 96 00:06:37,810 --> 00:06:41,030 Ember's Twitch site. She's got a ton of fans on GameCast. 97 00:06:41,490 --> 00:06:44,730 Mostly live streams herself playing video games, but here's the part of the 98 00:06:44,730 --> 00:06:46,190 video where she talks about being raped. 99 00:06:46,570 --> 00:06:48,910 I was in therapy when it all came back to me. 100 00:06:49,330 --> 00:06:53,330 It's so crazy how your brain can just forget things that are, like, too 101 00:06:53,330 --> 00:06:59,810 traumatic. But I can feel him pressing down on my neck, telling me to relax. 102 00:07:00,190 --> 00:07:03,150 I could hardly breathe. I couldn't scream. 103 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:09,920 I hope you guys believe me. 104 00:07:11,420 --> 00:07:13,120 So it's a recovered memory. 105 00:07:13,340 --> 00:07:16,360 Yeah, from someone who won't reveal their identity. It's tricky. 106 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:22,120 Did she identify her rapist? No, nothing. No name, no details. But our 107 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,140 Margo claims that her detective skills are so incredible that they have cracked 108 00:07:26,140 --> 00:07:26,739 the case. 109 00:07:26,740 --> 00:07:31,300 Zach is also a gamer. He's got a big following on Twitch. He and Jaded Ember 110 00:07:31,300 --> 00:07:34,280 were dating, but Zach claims they never met, only online. 111 00:07:35,130 --> 00:07:39,690 They had a big public ugly breakup about a year ago. Her fans just jumped to 112 00:07:39,690 --> 00:07:40,649 their own conclusions. 113 00:07:40,650 --> 00:07:41,790 He seems real thin. 114 00:07:42,050 --> 00:07:46,050 How many of her fans think that he's a rapist? Most of them. So he could be 115 00:07:46,050 --> 00:07:50,650 looking at more of her fans tracking him down and harassing him. Or worse. So 116 00:07:50,650 --> 00:07:54,750 let's get a subpoena for her identity. That way if she makes the complaint, we 117 00:07:54,750 --> 00:07:55,750 have something to investigate. 118 00:07:59,930 --> 00:08:00,970 April Dietzel. 119 00:08:01,290 --> 00:08:02,290 Uh, yeah? 120 00:08:02,350 --> 00:08:03,530 You're jaded in birth. 121 00:08:05,010 --> 00:08:08,130 What's this about? We're from special victims unit. Can we talk to you for a 122 00:08:08,130 --> 00:08:09,130 second? 123 00:08:10,630 --> 00:08:12,090 I don't recognize them. 124 00:08:13,010 --> 00:08:17,850 Yeah, I know Zach. He's a dick and a terrible boyfriend, but he didn't rape 125 00:08:18,110 --> 00:08:19,490 Thanks for clearing that up. 126 00:08:19,870 --> 00:08:21,510 How bad was it? Is he okay? 127 00:08:21,770 --> 00:08:24,050 He was shaken up, but he's fine. 128 00:08:25,090 --> 00:08:29,910 You made some pretty serious allegations on that live stream, and we are sorry 129 00:08:29,910 --> 00:08:32,350 that that happened to you, and we would like to investigate. 130 00:08:32,789 --> 00:08:33,789 No. 131 00:08:35,020 --> 00:08:39,320 I know that it sounds kind of weird that I'm saying I was raped, but I don't 132 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,320 really remember. 133 00:08:40,340 --> 00:08:43,400 And I know how crazy that sounds. But it's not crazy. 134 00:08:43,940 --> 00:08:49,780 So, April, it's very common for victims to block out significant details from 135 00:08:49,780 --> 00:08:50,780 their assault. 136 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,340 Right, but I only remember bits and pieces, and I don't want to be, like, 137 00:08:54,340 --> 00:08:55,299 quizzed on everything. 138 00:08:55,300 --> 00:08:58,220 You said you remember this while you were in therapy. Can you talk to us more 139 00:08:58,220 --> 00:08:59,220 about that? 140 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,820 I don't think I can. What do you mean? 141 00:09:04,010 --> 00:09:06,110 I was on a psychedelic. Okay. 142 00:09:06,350 --> 00:09:10,530 It was a clinical trial for PTSD. 143 00:09:11,350 --> 00:09:13,330 It's this drug called vitriptamine. 144 00:09:13,750 --> 00:09:17,350 Okay. I really shouldn't have said anything. 145 00:09:17,630 --> 00:09:22,010 I know how it sounds. Nobody's going to believe me. We're here because we think 146 00:09:22,010 --> 00:09:23,950 that there is something to investigate. 147 00:09:24,390 --> 00:09:25,390 There's not. 148 00:09:25,930 --> 00:09:27,450 I don't remember enough. 149 00:09:27,730 --> 00:09:30,350 You won't be able to find him. Let us try. 150 00:09:34,860 --> 00:09:39,200 So the clinical trial has been over for almost a year, and the drug is being 151 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,320 tested for the treatment of PTSD, anxiety, depression. 152 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,820 And April, I had no memory of this at all before taking a hallucinogen. No, 153 00:09:47,820 --> 00:09:52,680 doesn't. But it's not a hallucinogen. It's not like LSD or DMT. It activates 154 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:58,280 serotonin receptors, increases prolactin, which boosts about every 155 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,160 you can think of. And this makes you recover memories? 156 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:02,780 Or invent them? 157 00:10:03,060 --> 00:10:08,630 Look. I got to ask you, are you sure that this assault actually happened? We 158 00:10:08,630 --> 00:10:14,450 don't know yet, but April believes that it did, and now so do a lot of Internet 159 00:10:14,450 --> 00:10:17,730 warriors. We're just trying to get to the truth. 160 00:10:18,030 --> 00:10:22,170 All right, look, even if April recalls details, you're going to need a lot more 161 00:10:22,170 --> 00:10:25,450 than that. The issue here is that she wasn't aware this crime happened before 162 00:10:25,450 --> 00:10:28,590 taking a psychedelic. Even if the treatment is gaining legitimacy? 163 00:10:28,890 --> 00:10:29,689 Well, it doesn't matter. 164 00:10:29,690 --> 00:10:30,690 People be Hughes. 165 00:10:30,950 --> 00:10:32,090 People be Tunstall. 166 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,380 Both of these cases evaluated memories that were recovered through hypnosis, 167 00:10:36,380 --> 00:10:40,720 the courts have repeatedly found that testimony needs to be supported by pre 168 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,020 -hypnotic recollection, okay? They're absolutely going to apply that here. So, 169 00:10:44,060 --> 00:10:48,440 this is dead in the water? You can use this statement to ID a suspect, but then 170 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,820 you're going to need independent evidence. You're going to need a 171 00:10:51,140 --> 00:10:53,780 Well, you know, it's a clinical trial. They've got to have records, so maybe 172 00:10:53,780 --> 00:10:56,480 there's more details in the session. Those are not going to be admissible. 173 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:57,900 it's a very good place to start. 174 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:01,200 Let's see if I can get permission from April to talk to the therapist. 175 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,160 Protryptamine is both plant -derived and chemically stabilized, making it more 176 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,620 compatible with our brain chemistry than most psychedelics. And the vast 177 00:11:12,620 --> 00:11:17,420 majority of our participants, they no longer meet the diagnostic criteria for 178 00:11:17,420 --> 00:11:18,420 PTSD. 179 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,440 I won't be going back to traditional treatment again. 180 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,140 So it's a miracle drug. 181 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:29,080 I know it all sounds a little kooky. Pop a pill, listen to music, lay down in a 182 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,920 dark room and see what feelings come up. But we have seen what it could do for 183 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:33,920 people. 184 00:11:34,090 --> 00:11:35,530 Which one of you treated April? 185 00:11:35,810 --> 00:11:36,810 We both did. 186 00:11:36,990 --> 00:11:39,910 At the same time? Is that typical? 187 00:11:40,230 --> 00:11:42,230 It's protocol and necessary. 188 00:11:42,670 --> 00:11:46,270 I mean, the sessions can bring up strong, sometimes difficult emotions and 189 00:11:46,270 --> 00:11:47,169 last hours. 190 00:11:47,170 --> 00:11:48,350 What were you treating her for? 191 00:11:48,590 --> 00:11:52,970 PTSD. At the time, we believed her symptoms, hyperarousal, numbness, 192 00:11:53,070 --> 00:11:56,890 hypervigilance, all stemmed from growing up in an unstable household with an 193 00:11:56,890 --> 00:11:57,890 alcoholic mother. 194 00:11:57,990 --> 00:12:01,010 Think it's possible it actually stemmed from sexual assault? 195 00:12:01,470 --> 00:12:04,630 Obviously, we don't know for certain, but whether or not an event happened is 196 00:12:04,630 --> 00:12:06,950 unimportant. Seems it would be very important. 197 00:12:07,630 --> 00:12:11,270 Detectives, we are not in the business of investigating the accuracy of a 198 00:12:11,270 --> 00:12:14,530 or catching criminals. We are in the business of healing. 199 00:12:15,170 --> 00:12:17,150 We explore the meaning behind the memory. 200 00:12:17,550 --> 00:12:18,550 True or not? 201 00:12:19,310 --> 00:12:20,310 Yes or no? 202 00:12:20,490 --> 00:12:21,730 You think she was raped? 203 00:12:22,210 --> 00:12:24,190 No. I don't. 204 00:12:25,630 --> 00:12:27,190 I pulled her session files. 205 00:12:27,910 --> 00:12:29,010 Take a look yourself. 206 00:12:30,410 --> 00:12:33,790 I trust that you protect both April and our work. 207 00:12:34,770 --> 00:12:35,770 Thank you. 208 00:12:46,450 --> 00:12:47,930 Dr. Severson, you got a minute? 209 00:12:48,970 --> 00:12:51,830 Unfortunately, no. I'm late for an appointment. Sorry. We'll walk with you. 210 00:12:52,050 --> 00:12:55,190 And maybe you could tell us what you wouldn't say up there in front of your 211 00:12:55,190 --> 00:12:56,190 partner. 212 00:12:56,810 --> 00:12:58,470 Really, not much more to say. 213 00:12:59,420 --> 00:13:00,319 That's fine. 214 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,440 We'll just ask more questions, widen the net, involve a lot more people. You 215 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,640 know, that won't impact the clinical trials. Max, do you know what 216 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,440 pharmaceutical companies really love? Police investigations. 217 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,000 Look, I'll start by saying I don't mean to disparage my colleague. I have a lot 218 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,220 of respect for Dr. Catmull. 219 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:22,780 He's worked in psychedelics a long time, which may be the reason he's a little 220 00:13:22,780 --> 00:13:25,980 too invested in pushing protryptamine over the finish line. 221 00:13:26,910 --> 00:13:29,390 If it gets solved, all that research money goes down the drain. 222 00:13:29,730 --> 00:13:32,270 It's not about the money. It's about helping people. 223 00:13:33,010 --> 00:13:36,530 Jonah wasn't wrong to question recovered memories in any setting. Sometimes 224 00:13:36,530 --> 00:13:37,530 they're metaphors. 225 00:13:39,090 --> 00:13:40,750 But he didn't give you the whole truth. 226 00:13:41,830 --> 00:13:44,470 April has a history of using psychedelics. 227 00:13:44,710 --> 00:13:45,950 About five years ago. 228 00:13:46,370 --> 00:13:48,330 It wasn't revealed in the initial interview. 229 00:13:48,650 --> 00:13:52,850 It came out in therapy. But that should have disqualified her from the study. 230 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:54,030 Why didn't it? 231 00:13:54,090 --> 00:13:55,710 Because she's a success story. 232 00:13:56,619 --> 00:13:57,740 Jonah wanted it in. 233 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,280 So what does that have to do with her memory of being assaulted? 234 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:07,500 Jonah omitted the time period when April was using, when she was meeting a lot 235 00:14:07,500 --> 00:14:09,740 of men and blacking out on a regular basis. 236 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:12,880 You think that's when it happened? 237 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,940 I can't say for sure it was rape, but something happened to that girl. 238 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,380 April trying to put together a list of the men that she dated five years ago, 239 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:37,040 but her memory's spotty. Can you remember who you dated five years ago? 240 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,380 are not talking about me, thank you very much. 241 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:40,680 What do we got? 242 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,280 Combing through dating app matches and cross -checking names of databases. 243 00:14:45,020 --> 00:14:52,000 Liv, no psychedelic is a magic bullet. For this writer, for others, 244 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,540 it's the new frontier for mental health medicine. 245 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,640 Some studies say psychedelics can assist in memory recall. The others say that 246 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,460 it impairs it. I have a psych professor at Fordham who had a section on how 247 00:15:03,460 --> 00:15:06,640 psychedelics affect the brain. She can break it down for me. Good. Go talk to 248 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:07,640 her. 249 00:15:10,140 --> 00:15:12,600 So how does protryptamine make you remember things? 250 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,580 or that it modulates the brain's fear response. Our brain protects us from 251 00:15:17,580 --> 00:15:21,680 traumatic memories, and a psychedelic, like protryptamine, can allow you to 252 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,540 recall those events with less shame and judgment. For me, psychedelics weren't 253 00:15:26,540 --> 00:15:31,380 so much about memory. I just felt very connected and present. 254 00:15:31,860 --> 00:15:32,960 I'm done psychedelic. 255 00:15:33,180 --> 00:15:37,500 I might have had a crisis of faith or two that required some highly classified 256 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:39,960 trips to Oaxaca a few years back. 257 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,160 You're not going to turn me in, are you? 258 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:43,619 on its way. 259 00:15:43,620 --> 00:15:47,740 It wasn't a clinical trial, of course. She was a lovely woman, luckily. 260 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,000 You're very vulnerable in that state. 261 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,500 I'm glad to see the practice is becoming more regulated now. 262 00:15:53,900 --> 00:15:54,960 There have been problems? 263 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:56,680 Not just with tryptamine. 264 00:15:57,220 --> 00:16:01,460 Sex abuse is a known problem with psychedelics. Even the naturally 265 00:16:01,460 --> 00:16:03,520 ones, like ayahuasca or psilocybin. 266 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,700 All those happy hormones? 267 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,200 They mess with your personal boundaries. 268 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:10,680 They trick you. 269 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:14,780 into thinking you're okay with things when you're not. Which is why there's 270 00:16:14,780 --> 00:16:17,260 therapists to make sure nobody crosses the line. 271 00:16:19,140 --> 00:16:21,240 The first time I was totally freaked out. 272 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:28,500 Okay. I didn't sleep at all the night before, and I got there. I took the pill 273 00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:30,520 and, like, immediately fell asleep. 274 00:16:30,780 --> 00:16:32,260 Oh. And I woke up. 275 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:38,380 I felt... Like, I... 276 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,820 Understood what love meant. 277 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:47,560 Wow. Not like being in love, but just how 278 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:54,000 everything and everyone is all one. It's hard to 279 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:59,940 describe. I know, I probably sound nuts. No, it sounds kind of incredible. 280 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,040 So when did you remember the assault? 281 00:17:05,060 --> 00:17:07,319 The third time. Okay. 282 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:12,540 They had me put an eye mask on, and it makes things a lot more intense. 283 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:19,220 It felt so vivid, this strong feeling of 284 00:17:19,220 --> 00:17:26,020 violation. I actually feel it happening in my body. I was crying. 285 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:27,839 Did he tell your therapist? 286 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:32,820 One of them was sitting with me. He was rubbing my back and my legs, holding me. 287 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:34,860 Was that a common? 288 00:17:35,629 --> 00:17:40,070 for your sessions, the physical touch? 289 00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:47,510 Yeah, I guess so. Okay. It's just that's quite unorthodox for a therapist to 290 00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:49,310 cross that boundary. 291 00:17:49,910 --> 00:17:51,230 What happened afterwards? 292 00:17:52,190 --> 00:17:57,630 I, well, I could still feel it in my body the next day. 293 00:17:58,790 --> 00:18:04,250 Soreness between my legs, my throat like somebody had choked me. 294 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:11,920 They said it wasn't unusual for the brain to convince the body that it had 295 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:12,920 really happened. 296 00:18:13,540 --> 00:18:16,160 In my experience, the opposite is true. 297 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:23,940 The body that doesn't lie. 298 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:30,620 And your body was telling you that you had been violated. 299 00:18:32,140 --> 00:18:33,660 And I think that you were. 300 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,460 But not five years ago. 301 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:45,280 Have you considered that maybe you were assaulted during your session? 302 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:51,440 No. 303 00:18:57,900 --> 00:19:00,620 For a long time, I felt really good about the therapy. 304 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,400 It changed my brain. 305 00:19:04,990 --> 00:19:06,950 It made me more open, optimistic. 306 00:19:10,930 --> 00:19:14,530 And now it just feels like it got rotten. 307 00:19:16,290 --> 00:19:18,730 Like I'm too sick to be fixed. 308 00:19:19,850 --> 00:19:20,850 Not true. 309 00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:23,250 You're not too sick to be fixed. 310 00:19:25,170 --> 00:19:28,890 They took advantage of you when you were vulnerable. 311 00:19:30,910 --> 00:19:32,210 And now they're going to pay. 312 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:48,100 So if the Sessions always had two therapists, what are we thinking? Both 313 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:48,879 did it? 314 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,600 One of them did it while the other watched? 315 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,140 Or they weren't always together all the time. April doesn't know who was there 316 00:19:55,140 --> 00:19:56,740 because she had a mask over her eyes. 317 00:19:57,100 --> 00:20:00,460 Well, we both know for a fact they're willing to lie to cover it up. 318 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:01,680 Cat and mole. 319 00:20:01,740 --> 00:20:05,640 fudge the session notes, Severson sent us on a wild goose chase looking at five 320 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:06,640 -year -old hinge matches. 321 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,380 Catmull has an MD and a PhD. He's been big in the psychedelics community since 322 00:20:11,380 --> 00:20:15,180 the 90s. He's a real cheerleader for its benefits. He's got no complaints 323 00:20:15,180 --> 00:20:19,640 against them. He did a ton of research papers on protryptamine therapy. 324 00:20:20,060 --> 00:20:24,760 I looked into Catmull's financials. He's got significant investments in all of 325 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:29,760 this. If protryptamine gets distribution, he will make a lot of 326 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:33,100 Severson's a PsyD. 327 00:20:33,620 --> 00:20:37,000 He's new to the psychedelics game. He still has a private practice. He 328 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,300 specializes in complex trauma, PTSD, EMDR. No complaints against him either. 329 00:20:41,580 --> 00:20:45,160 He and Catmull started working together two years ago for Serolite 330 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,680 Pharmaceuticals, the parent company's based in Japan. 331 00:20:47,900 --> 00:20:51,440 The U .S. division developed protryptamine and is running the trial. 332 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,940 Okay, well, these clinical trials often record their testing. So, I mean, maybe 333 00:20:55,940 --> 00:20:57,180 there's video of these sessions. 334 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:58,760 Let's see. 335 00:20:59,689 --> 00:21:01,070 Who's Judd Flannery? 336 00:21:01,830 --> 00:21:05,730 Catmull wrote all of his papers with the guy, and then it looks like they 337 00:21:05,730 --> 00:21:08,450 stopped around the time Severson came into the picture. 338 00:21:08,830 --> 00:21:11,330 Wonder what split him up. Yeah, let's find out. 339 00:21:16,030 --> 00:21:18,950 Dr. Catmull and Dr. Severson are some of our finest researchers. 340 00:21:20,090 --> 00:21:23,410 Jonah's been with it from almost the beginning. Uh -huh. Since they paired 341 00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:25,450 their sites consistently report the best patient scores. 342 00:21:26,370 --> 00:21:29,520 Why? Well, have you ever had any complaints about either of them? 343 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,160 No. What kind of complaint? 344 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:38,080 April, the SO, recovered a memory of being sexually assaulted during one of 345 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:43,900 sessions. We are looking into the possibility that she was assaulted 346 00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:44,900 session. 347 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:47,220 That's not possible, April. 348 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:48,500 Are you sure? 349 00:21:49,060 --> 00:21:51,220 Yeah. She was so pleased with her treatment outcome. 350 00:21:51,620 --> 00:21:55,060 So, are these sessions recorded, Ms. Fuentes? 351 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,520 Yes. 352 00:21:56,830 --> 00:22:01,530 But given how sensitive the content is, I can't turn anything over without a 353 00:22:01,530 --> 00:22:04,950 patient's permission. Well, I can help you with that. This is April's consent, 354 00:22:05,210 --> 00:22:08,450 and you should have a digital copy of that in your inbox. 355 00:22:11,370 --> 00:22:13,250 I can't give you anything without a subpoena. 356 00:22:13,730 --> 00:22:16,130 All right, we will get a subpoena. 357 00:22:17,490 --> 00:22:18,490 We'll be back. 358 00:22:19,870 --> 00:22:22,890 Save the world, as long as you have a court order. 359 00:22:26,770 --> 00:22:29,710 Either you guys ever take that online quiz where you put in how many times a 360 00:22:29,710 --> 00:22:32,310 year you visit your parents, and then it tells you how much time you got left 361 00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:33,310 with them before they die? 362 00:22:33,530 --> 00:22:34,269 Hard no. 363 00:22:34,270 --> 00:22:37,170 I used to calculate how much closer I was to death working at a job I didn't 364 00:22:37,170 --> 00:22:38,310 care about, so one day I just walked. 365 00:22:39,090 --> 00:22:41,310 All those years in medical school to work in a bike shop? 366 00:22:41,790 --> 00:22:44,950 My dad would have throttled me. Eh, never been happier. 367 00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:49,110 Hey, don't get me wrong. I loved helping people. I just hated everything else. 368 00:22:50,250 --> 00:22:51,250 Including Catmull? 369 00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:54,790 You know, I thought I was so lucky when he asked me to be his research partner. 370 00:22:55,370 --> 00:22:58,110 Didn't take long to realize he didn't care much about the science. 371 00:22:58,970 --> 00:22:59,970 Has he been arrested? 372 00:23:01,530 --> 00:23:02,530 Why do you ask? 373 00:23:02,750 --> 00:23:03,750 Dude's a druggie. 374 00:23:03,850 --> 00:23:05,690 I caught him swiping pills from our inventory. 375 00:23:06,150 --> 00:23:09,190 I reported him to my supervisor at Sarah Lane. She said they'd handle it 376 00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:10,550 internally. But they never did. 377 00:23:10,790 --> 00:23:13,830 I don't know. But there's definitely this mentality over there that nothing 378 00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:15,030 stop the momentum, you know? 379 00:23:15,250 --> 00:23:17,250 You ever see him act inappropriate with a patient? 380 00:23:17,730 --> 00:23:18,730 You mean like sexually? 381 00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:22,290 No, but I wouldn't put anything past that guy. 382 00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:23,810 A shrink with no empathy. 383 00:23:24,430 --> 00:23:25,430 That's wild. 384 00:23:25,550 --> 00:23:27,910 And one time I asked him why I got into psychedelics. You know what he said? 385 00:23:28,510 --> 00:23:30,090 Hmm. That's where the money is at. 386 00:23:31,530 --> 00:23:34,950 Judd Flannery was a fresh graduate who was incompetent and incapable. 387 00:23:35,230 --> 00:23:36,590 That's why I ended the relationship. 388 00:23:37,150 --> 00:23:40,750 Like, for all I know, he stole the meds. You think we're on the hunt for some 389 00:23:40,750 --> 00:23:42,510 pills that went missing two years ago? 390 00:23:42,830 --> 00:23:45,710 We're way beyond that now, Jonah. This is about what you did to April. 391 00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:47,750 What are you talking about? 392 00:23:47,950 --> 00:23:51,850 Get her vulnerable and compliant, assault her, and convince her it was a 393 00:23:51,850 --> 00:23:55,010 hallucination. What are you saying that I... Hey, you raped your client. Yeah, 394 00:23:55,050 --> 00:23:55,969 that's what we're saying. 395 00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:59,790 Absolutely not. My question is, was it a tag team situation with you and your 396 00:23:59,790 --> 00:24:01,090 partner, or was it all his idea? 397 00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:05,490 I leave the session sometimes. 398 00:24:07,630 --> 00:24:08,890 I know I'm not supposed to. 399 00:24:10,210 --> 00:24:11,210 Austin. 400 00:24:11,890 --> 00:24:14,990 Austin encouraged me to take breaks. Sure, sure, sure, sure. It's always the 401 00:24:14,990 --> 00:24:16,650 other guy, isn't it? I can prove it. 402 00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:19,370 I have videos. Everything we sent to Fairlife. 403 00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:21,250 I've got copies. 404 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:23,640 Have you watched them? 405 00:24:27,060 --> 00:24:28,240 Because you had a feeling. 406 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,640 You knew what was on them, didn't you? 407 00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:14,310 There might not be enough there to prove rape, but we absolutely have him on 408 00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:15,269 sexual assault. 409 00:25:15,270 --> 00:25:19,770 We're still going through all the videos, but Liv, we've already found two 410 00:25:19,770 --> 00:25:21,150 women Severson did this to. 411 00:25:23,030 --> 00:25:24,030 Got him. 412 00:25:26,210 --> 00:25:30,750 Three crisis calls this morning, all before 10 a .m.? I think I deserve this. 413 00:25:30,810 --> 00:25:32,110 Dr. Severson! Hello. 414 00:25:32,370 --> 00:25:35,390 Detective! This isn't the best time. Is it ever? Get up! 415 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:37,440 What on earth are you doing? 416 00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:39,280 Arresting you, Doc. What? 417 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:40,960 Enjoy that. 418 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:48,960 So I'm going to 419 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:54,520 start with the obvious question, which is, did you forget that you were being 420 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,600 recorded, or did you just not care? 421 00:26:00,380 --> 00:26:05,420 Captain, I can see how this might seem strange if you're not versed in this 422 00:26:05,420 --> 00:26:10,200 therapy, but that's what this therapy looks like. You assaulted her. 423 00:26:10,420 --> 00:26:11,620 I comforted her. 424 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,560 A person who's taken protryptamine needs reassurance. They need someone there to 425 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,640 hold them together, both mentally and physically. I have to stop you for a 426 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:26,340 second because you can't just sit there and pretend that we didn't see clearly 427 00:26:26,340 --> 00:26:29,600 what is on this video. You don't have the context. 428 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,260 Are my methods unorthodox? Absolutely. 429 00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:37,480 But the use of touch, so long as it's non -sexual, has been very effective. 430 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,660 You call that there non -sexual? 431 00:26:39,940 --> 00:26:42,180 Yeah. Yeah? Do you know what that word means? 432 00:26:42,860 --> 00:26:47,160 Nothing that has transpired between my clients and myself has ever been sexual. 433 00:26:47,420 --> 00:26:49,220 Not for me. 434 00:26:49,580 --> 00:26:54,320 I don't derive any benefit or pleasure from these sessions. Yeah, well, neither 435 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,520 was she. She was in tears. 436 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,220 She said no, stop, multiple times. 437 00:26:59,740 --> 00:27:04,280 And if I told a surgeon, no, don't sew up that incision you just made, would he 438 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,620 stop? I think I get it. 439 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,180 So what you're saying is that sometimes when a person is feeling vulnerable, 440 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:12,600 right, they just want to be held. 441 00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:19,560 Exactly. The level of this therapy is so intense, you have to experience it to 442 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:20,560 understand. 443 00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:25,140 I think someone like you would benefit from it, Captain. 444 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,520 Well, that is so kind of you to think of me. 445 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:35,160 Um, where was Dr. 446 00:27:35,380 --> 00:27:36,920 Catmull during all of this? 447 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,160 I don't recall exactly. He may have been on a break. The other two patients that 448 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,300 got your special hands -on care, where was Dr. 449 00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:45,500 Catmull for those? 450 00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:50,800 I would have to check the video. He wasn't there every single time. 451 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,080 Honestly, you're real smart. 452 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:58,960 You're smarter than me. 453 00:27:59,660 --> 00:28:01,960 You're smarter than most people who sit in that chair. 454 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:08,640 I mean, creating your own hunting ground and then hiding behind a clinical trial 455 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,980 and then having your victims sign up for it themselves. That is brilliant. 456 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,280 Regular genius. But you're no different than every other predator. 457 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:23,600 You know that. 458 00:28:24,220 --> 00:28:26,320 And now everyone else will too. 459 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,240 Because we have it all on video. 460 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,400 Captain Curry. 461 00:28:37,780 --> 00:28:39,100 Executive officer, look at you. 462 00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:40,700 Eyes on the ranks. 463 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:41,619 Thanks, Chief. 464 00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:43,180 Here for CompStat? Yeah, my first one. 465 00:28:43,420 --> 00:28:44,420 You're not going to be late. 466 00:28:44,740 --> 00:28:46,140 Hey, I'll catch up with you. 467 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:47,680 Chris. 468 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,620 Hey, Captain. Wow, you're all dressed up. 469 00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:54,300 Yeah, well, CompStat meeting, so I had to drag this thing out. 470 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,400 Little, uh... 471 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,720 Field trip to the records room? 472 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,020 Uh, yeah. Yeah, Cap asked me to pull some old case files. Thinks we might 473 00:29:02,020 --> 00:29:03,020 repeat offender. 474 00:29:03,220 --> 00:29:05,140 I didn't hear anything about that. 475 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,600 Yeah. Well, hey, we missed you up there. I gotta go. 476 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,880 Hey, I just, uh, arranged everything. 477 00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:19,660 You're not gonna believe this, but he pled to the entire indictment. You're 478 00:29:19,660 --> 00:29:21,320 kidding. The judge gave him 15 years. 479 00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:23,260 For three rapes? 480 00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:27,030 Look, Amanda, I'm not upset about this, and you shouldn't be either. 481 00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:29,590 This case in no way was going to be a slam dunk. 482 00:29:30,130 --> 00:29:31,510 The video was inconclusive. 483 00:29:31,850 --> 00:29:35,170 Even if April and the other two victims were ready to testify, they were in an 484 00:29:35,170 --> 00:29:38,550 experimental treatment program that was always going to be tricky with the jury. 485 00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:41,870 To be honest, I'm surprised this lawyer didn't want to go to trial. 486 00:29:42,270 --> 00:29:43,890 Oh, my God, he's protecting a study. 487 00:29:45,710 --> 00:29:46,850 From what? Scrutiny. 488 00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:51,790 Look, Severson is a creep. He's a predator. 489 00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:56,270 But he is a true believer in his therapy. And he'll take the hit so his 490 00:29:56,270 --> 00:29:59,650 does. And Sarah Light had all the videos of Severson. They knew what he was 491 00:29:59,650 --> 00:30:01,050 doing. And they did nothing? 492 00:30:02,090 --> 00:30:05,350 And it's despicable, but unfortunately, they don't have a duty to... So they get 493 00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:06,870 off on a technicality? Come on. 494 00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:12,750 Don't look at me like that, all right? For once, I'd like to be able to stay 495 00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:14,570 within my jurisdiction when it comes to you, Liv. 496 00:30:23,530 --> 00:30:25,450 We can't charge Sarah Light criminally. 497 00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:28,730 But we can try to shut him down. 498 00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:42,850 Sonny, gotta say, shutting down an entire corporation because of one bad 499 00:30:42,850 --> 00:30:43,870 doesn't sit well with me. 500 00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:46,690 Sarah Light sees me getting some good results out of this drug. 501 00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:48,570 Well, I have no issue with protryptamine. 502 00:30:49,159 --> 00:30:51,180 Psychedelics in general, when they're handled appropriately. 503 00:30:51,460 --> 00:30:55,300 But what I do have an issue with is poor oversight and not paying attention when 504 00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:56,480 a doctor assaults his patients. 505 00:30:56,700 --> 00:30:57,920 And that man is going to prison. 506 00:30:58,220 --> 00:31:00,280 But that does nothing to solve the underlying issue. 507 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,420 Look, their complete lack of oversight has created the perfect conditions for 508 00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:08,360 this to happen again with another doctor. I'm not saying we don't take a 509 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,640 but shutting down the company could shut down the entire pursuit of this 510 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,040 treatment. But if you do nothing, then patients are going to stay vulnerable. 511 00:31:16,340 --> 00:31:17,340 Look, listen. 512 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,840 How about this? 513 00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:23,000 Cross -designate me. 514 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,240 Let me take it on. 515 00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:40,000 She said both doctors would be in the room at all times for my protection and 516 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,780 theirs. And did Ms. Fuentes have you sign a consent form for your sessions to 517 00:31:44,780 --> 00:31:45,780 recorded? I did. 518 00:31:45,980 --> 00:31:48,800 They said it was for the study, and no one else would see them. 519 00:31:49,020 --> 00:31:53,340 And I'm assuming that you did not consent to either doctor lying under a 520 00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:55,300 with you and touching your body. 521 00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:57,180 No, absolutely not. 522 00:31:57,660 --> 00:32:02,900 And did Ms. Fuentes or anyone else from Sterilite Pharmaceuticals ever reach out 523 00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:05,480 to you about what was on your recorded video sessions? 524 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,880 No. Even after Dr. Jefferson was arrested for sexually assaulting you? 525 00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:11,100 Not a word. 526 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,940 Thank you, Ms. DiEso. Not for the question, Joanna. 527 00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:15,450 Ms. Rettstatt, your witness. 528 00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:22,450 Ms. DeAso, what you endured at the hands of Dr. Severson was reprehensible, and 529 00:32:22,450 --> 00:32:25,030 I don't want to put you through a long list of questions, so I'll be quick, all 530 00:32:25,030 --> 00:32:26,030 right? Okay. 531 00:32:26,490 --> 00:32:27,990 I really just have one. 532 00:32:28,650 --> 00:32:30,230 Did this therapy help you? 533 00:32:32,910 --> 00:32:34,450 I don't know her. 534 00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:37,410 I was assaulted. 535 00:32:39,170 --> 00:32:40,350 Raped. I know. 536 00:32:41,270 --> 00:32:42,770 But that's not what I'm asking. 537 00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:44,740 You have been treated for PTSD. 538 00:32:45,460 --> 00:32:47,020 Is that still your diagnosis? 539 00:32:47,380 --> 00:32:49,020 He's a monster. I don't disagree. 540 00:32:49,220 --> 00:32:50,179 He is. 541 00:32:50,180 --> 00:32:56,100 And, according to your post -clinical trial follow -up, your PTSD is, 542 00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:57,560 speaking, no longer present. 543 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,460 So I'll ask again, did it help you? 544 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,880 When I wake up at night, I feel like I'm being choked. 545 00:33:13,260 --> 00:33:14,480 Feel hands on me. 546 00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:17,380 Feel him on top of me over a year later. 547 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,360 I think about what would have happened if Dr. Severson hadn't done this to me. 548 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,880 What that life would have been like? 549 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,680 I'll never know. 550 00:33:27,660 --> 00:33:31,360 I just don't want what happened to me to happen to anyone else. 551 00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:42,400 Ms. Fuentes, your company... 552 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,220 Has safeguards in place to prevent sexual abuse, correct? 553 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,920 Yes, we do. For example, you require two therapists to be present for the entire 554 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,780 duration of every session. 555 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,020 Correct. You also require that each session be recorded on video. 556 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,640 Yes. But that didn't really stop Dr. Severson, though, did it? 557 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,280 We were horrified by his criminal actions. 558 00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:09,239 But to say that one bad actor is indicative of our entire company, it's 559 00:34:09,739 --> 00:34:14,120 Right, because you know for certain that there was only one bad actor. You got 560 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,020 the videos, right? So if anything inappropriate had happened, you would 561 00:34:18,020 --> 00:34:19,020 seen that. 562 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,500 You do record every session, don't you, Dr. Fuentes? 563 00:34:25,980 --> 00:34:30,080 Yeah. And have you ever seen a therapist leave a session when they weren't 564 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:30,819 supposed to? 565 00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:31,840 I never saw that. 566 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,320 No? And all those videos? That's astonishing. 567 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,380 I mean, how many hours would you say there are? There's got to be thousands. 568 00:34:38,969 --> 00:34:42,270 Yes. And approximately how many hours of those sessions did you watch? 569 00:34:44,090 --> 00:34:45,929 I haven't had an opportunity to review. 570 00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:50,790 You never watched the videos that you require for the purpose of protecting 571 00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:52,350 patients? Me personally? 572 00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:55,110 No. Okay, not personally, but who does? 573 00:34:55,830 --> 00:34:56,989 You have to understand. 574 00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:59,070 We keep the videos as records. 575 00:34:59,470 --> 00:35:02,210 We simply don't have the manpower to review that much footage. 576 00:35:02,610 --> 00:35:04,370 We're a research -focused entity. 577 00:35:04,650 --> 00:35:07,470 Your primary purpose should have been to keep your patients safe. 578 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:13,880 And if you had done your job, then you would have seen three women, the very 579 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,660 people that you were supposed to protect, be assaulted by one of your 580 00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:18,700 Isn't that true? 581 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,080 Yes. 582 00:35:23,540 --> 00:35:24,540 Nothing further. 583 00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:27,740 Ms. Fuentes, you may step down. 584 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,720 Both counsel approach. 585 00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:47,910 Ms. Rett said, if things keep going the way they're going, I'm inclined to rule 586 00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:51,930 in favor of the Attorney General's office. Your Honor, I would... However, 587 00:35:51,930 --> 00:35:56,570 also understand that Serolite Pharmaceuticals is at the forefront of a 588 00:35:56,570 --> 00:36:01,350 breakthrough medication that has the potential to change the face of mental 589 00:36:01,350 --> 00:36:06,410 health treatment, perhaps under the right leadership. Hold on. Your Honor. 590 00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:09,970 Serolite Board would not object to removing Ms. Fuentes from her position 591 00:36:09,970 --> 00:36:10,990 CEO, Your Honor. 592 00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:16,010 In that case, I'd be inclined to deny the Attorney General's application to 593 00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:19,710 them down. Your Honor, respectfully, I disagree. Three women have been 594 00:36:19,710 --> 00:36:21,710 victimized. Victimized by Dr. 595 00:36:21,930 --> 00:36:23,150 Severson, who's out of the picture. 596 00:36:23,410 --> 00:36:28,130 Did SVU find any other instances of therapists abusing patients? 597 00:36:28,510 --> 00:36:31,350 No, they did not, but the potential for abuse is there. 598 00:36:31,770 --> 00:36:35,770 And unless we shut them down until real changes are made, it'll stay there. 599 00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:39,830 I admire your passion, Mr. Creasy, but I don't think you've made your case. 600 00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:41,990 You're welcome to take an appeal. 601 00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:43,770 Step back. 602 00:36:54,610 --> 00:36:57,850 Well, went down swinging, Stoney. I'll give you that. 603 00:36:58,390 --> 00:37:01,510 Yeah, well, thanks for spouting on the team. Your turn. 604 00:37:01,810 --> 00:37:02,810 Take care. 605 00:37:03,610 --> 00:37:06,430 Well, you warned me that we were punching above our weight. 606 00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:07,630 Yeah, I did. 607 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,720 Well, you're not going to give me the I told you so speech? 608 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,200 When I was a kid, my mom had an abortion. 609 00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:23,660 Nearly killed a Catholic father. The baby would have been born with all kinds 610 00:37:23,660 --> 00:37:28,240 problems. All this information came out about this antidepressant that she was 611 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:29,420 using off and on. 612 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,060 I remember this fancy lawyer, he came to our house and he wanted her to join a 613 00:37:34,060 --> 00:37:35,340 class action lawsuit. 614 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,560 Told us that hundreds of babies have been born with birth defects because of 615 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:41,560 that truck. 616 00:37:41,620 --> 00:37:42,620 What does she do? 617 00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:45,040 Class action was denied certification. 618 00:37:46,220 --> 00:37:47,300 Case never went to trial. 619 00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:54,160 My mom, she couldn't afford to file an individual claim, so... So that was 620 00:37:57,980 --> 00:37:59,500 The crew sees Everson. 621 00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:01,500 He's behind bars. 622 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,880 Removing Fuentes is definitely going to shake things up. 623 00:38:06,090 --> 00:38:08,090 You didn't really lose this case today. 624 00:38:10,110 --> 00:38:11,390 Because you're with the pep talk. 625 00:38:12,750 --> 00:38:14,790 Usually I'm the one telling you that we did all we could. 626 00:38:15,390 --> 00:38:16,390 Well, people change. 627 00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:30,130 What's this? A few files that you missed. 628 00:38:31,690 --> 00:38:33,190 This one was the killer. 629 00:38:33,690 --> 00:38:37,810 So the witness turned out to be a fabulous, just makes up a whole bunch of 630 00:38:37,810 --> 00:38:43,570 details, and then the whole case fell apart at trial. So I don't know why 631 00:38:43,570 --> 00:38:44,570 pulling my old cases. 632 00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:47,510 I suspect it's because somebody told you to. 633 00:38:48,210 --> 00:38:49,510 So you go ahead, Griff. 634 00:38:50,330 --> 00:38:52,210 You look into anything you want. 635 00:38:53,350 --> 00:38:54,830 Because I don't have any secrets. 636 00:38:56,110 --> 00:38:59,490 And whatever mistakes I've made, and I'm sure there have been a ton, 637 00:39:01,210 --> 00:39:02,470 I'd stand by. 638 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,280 Wait. 639 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,280 Look at this. 640 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,680 What is that? 641 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,680 From a shooting in a bar in the Upper West Side in 2001. 642 00:39:15,980 --> 00:39:16,980 Look at it. 643 00:39:17,540 --> 00:39:19,740 Involving a Lieutenant Jimmy Griffin. 644 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:25,620 And Detective Catherine Tynan. 645 00:39:28,180 --> 00:39:32,300 Yeah, you're right. I was tasked into looking into your old cases. 646 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,640 Okay. 647 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,520 And I used that as cover to dig that up. 648 00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:45,080 What are you planning on doing with this, Rip? 649 00:39:48,180 --> 00:39:49,560 I'm going to find out the truth. 650 00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:53,120 And I'm going to give that to the commissioner. 651 00:39:55,860 --> 00:39:58,080 I don't care what happens to me. 652 00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:02,840 I don't care what happens to my dad's legacy after this. 653 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,400 Legacy? Like, what the hell does that even mean? 654 00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:13,940 Tynan. I mean, you know this, Tynan. She's been there for me. 655 00:40:16,260 --> 00:40:19,600 Through some very hard times, okay? 656 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,780 I cannot take any of this anymore. 657 00:40:28,220 --> 00:40:30,220 I gotta know. Gotta know the truth. 658 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,740 I'm gonna blow everything up. 659 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:41,880 Are you ready for that? 660 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,400 No. 661 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:52,520 Are you? 53301

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