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In the criminal justice system, sexually
based offenses are considered
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especially heinous.
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In New York City, the dedicated
detectives who investigate these vicious
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felonies are members of an elite squad
known as the Special Victims Unit.
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These are their stories.
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What the hell? That's my car.
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Hey, don't come any closer. Look what
you did. He said stand back.
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What is it?
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Police!
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Hey, watch me, Lee.
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Don't move.
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Put your hands on the car.
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Go.
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Are you all right? Do you need an
ambulance?
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No. I'm okay.
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What happened?
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Uh, I just came out and found him
wrecking up my car. Any idea why?
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I mean, I guess that.
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I take it you're Zach.
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I just think it's important to believe
victim.
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Well, I couldn't agree more.
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But are you saying that you're a victim?
I'm saying when people speak up, nobody
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listens. I'm listening.
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Margo, I'm all ears. No, you're going to
say what everyone else says. What was
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she wearing?
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Was she drinking?
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Okay, Margo, please. Just yes or no.
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Were you a victim of sexual assault?
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You see? You're not listening.
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This all got out of hand. Nobody
intended for anybody to get hurt.
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Yeah, kind of hard to buy that when you
show up with a baseball bat, Harrison.
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Margo said it was just a precaution.
What else did Margo say?
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That it's important to take a stand.
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And it is.
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And that we should believe women. And I
do.
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You always do what Margo tells you.
She's very, very smart.
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And she cares about the world.
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And justice.
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And she's smart.
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And she told you that Jack was a rapist?
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I am not a rapist.
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I don't even know what they're talking
about.
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You've never met either of them? No. A
couple days ago, I started getting all
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these DMs on my socials. They found my
work email. Total strangers saying I
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raped somebody.
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Zach, what I need you to focus on is why
they'd get this idea about you.
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Man, I don't know.
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They're crazy. You know, mistaken
identity.
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I don't even know who's saying I did
that.
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Marco, this is not a trick question.
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It's yes or no.
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Is the victim a friend of yours or not?
What if she's not?
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Do we have to be besties?
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Oh, my God. You don't have to be
anything. I don't know how to get
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you. I cannot move forward with this
investigation until I have a name.
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Who is this victim you are avenging?
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Like a name?
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Yeah. Exactly. Like a name.
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I don't actually know her real life
name.
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I never met her.
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You never had one conversation with her.
No, but it doesn't matter. What matters
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is we found her rapist and you didn't.
Okay, Margo.
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I need you to give me something to
investigate.
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Just one thing.
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It could be anything. I need you to give
me one thing.
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Her name is Jaded Ember.
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She's a VTuber on Twitch.
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Like a virtual streamer.
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I
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mean...
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You'd have to be crazy to ignore that.
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How can we just not try to help?
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So we think he's chasing the houses
until the occupants leave. So I'm
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an additional unit to Sector David.
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Questions?
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All right. Then let's focus on quality
stops and good collars and make sure
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body cams are up and running. Be
professional, respectful, and everyone
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back in one piece.
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All right. Thanks. Ms. Smith.
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Not one officer checking their phone
name looks like you. Well, there may or
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not be a rumor going around that anyone
not paying attention to the role gets
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zero OT.
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You're laying down the hammer.
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Guess I'm a natural.
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I don't like this.
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Nothing to like. It is what it is.
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Yeah, but can I still be mad for you?
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Uh, shoot, I got a, uh, budgeting
meeting coming up, but tell Griff if he
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parks in front of the precinct again,
I'm gonna have his ass towed.
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I'm not gonna lie, that interview from
last night kind of broke my brain. Yeah,
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I feel like I know less after talking to
them than I did after reading that two
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-sentence police report.
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I had to cut Zach loose. He said he'd
stay in town. Yeah, we got nothing to
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him on. What'd I miss?
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Whole lot of questions. Okay, so I found
the rest of that clip from Jaded
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Ember's Twitch site. She's got a ton of
fans on GameCast.
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Mostly live streams herself playing
video games, but here's a part of the
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where she talks about being raped.
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I was in therapy when it all came back
to me.
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It's so crazy how your brain can just
forget things that are, like, too
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traumatic. But I can feel him pressing
down on my neck, telling me to relax.
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I could hardly breathe. I couldn't
scream.
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crazy. I hope you guys believe me.
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So it's a recovered memory.
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Yeah, for someone who won't reveal their
identity, it's tricky.
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Did she identify her rapist? No,
nothing. No name, no details.
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But our vigilante Margo claims that her
detective skills are so incredible that
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they have cracked the case.
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Zach is also a gamer. He's got a big
following on Twitch.
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He and Jaded Ember were dating, but Zach
claims they never met, only online.
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They had a big public ugly breakup about
a year ago. Her fans just jumped to
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their own conclusions.
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It seems real thin.
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How many of her fans think that he's a
rapist? Most of them. So he could be
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looking at more of her fans, tracking
him down and harassing him, or worse.
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So let's get a subpoena for her
identity. That way, if she makes a
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have something to investigate.
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April DSO.
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Uh, yeah?
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You're jaded in birth.
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What's this about? We're from Special
Victims Unit. Can we talk to you for a
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sec?
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I don't recognize them.
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Yeah, I know Zach. He's a dick and a
terrible boyfriend, but he didn't rape
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Well, thanks for clearing that up.
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How bad was it? Is he okay?
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He was shaken up, but he's fine.
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You made some pretty serious allegations
on that live stream, and we are sorry
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that that happened to you, and we would
like to investigate.
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No.
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I know that it sounds kind of weird that
I'm saying I was raped, but I don't
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really remember.
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And I know how crazy that sounds. But
it's not crazy.
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So, April, it's very common for victims
to block out significant details from
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their assault.
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Right, but I only remember bits and
pieces, and I don't want to be, like,
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quizzed on everything.
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You said you remember this while you
were in therapy. Can you talk to us more
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about that?
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I don't think I can. What do you mean?
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I was on a psychedelic. Okay.
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It was a clinical trial for PTSD.
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This drug called vitriptamine.
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Okay. I really shouldn't have said
anything.
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I know how it sounds. Nobody's going to
believe me. We're here because we think
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that there is something to investigate.
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There's not.
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I don't remember enough.
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You won't be able to find him. Let us
try.
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So the clinical trial has been over for
almost a year, and the drug is being
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tested for the treatment of PTSD,
anxiety, depression.
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And April, I had no memory of this at
all before taking a hallucinogen. No,
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doesn't. But it's not a hallucinogen.
It's not like LSD or DMT. It activates
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serotonin receptors, increases
prolactin, which boosts about every
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you can think of. And this makes you
recover memories?
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Or invent them?
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Look. I got to ask you, are you sure
that this assault actually happened?
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We don't know yet, but April believes
that it did, and now so do a lot of
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Internet warriors.
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We're just trying to get to the truth.
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All right, look, even if April recalls
details, you're going to need a lot more
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than that. The issue here is that she
wasn't aware this crime happened before
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taking a psychedelic. Even if this
treatment is gaining legitimacy?
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Well, it doesn't matter.
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People be huge.
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People be tons full.
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Both of these cases evaluated memories
that were recovered through hypnosis,
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the courts have repeatedly found that
testimony needs to be supported by pre
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-hypnotic recollection, okay? They're
absolutely going to apply that here. So,
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is he dead in the water? You can use
this statement to ID a suspect, but then
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you're going to need independent
evidence. You're going to need a
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Well, you know, it's a clinical trial.
They've got to have records, so maybe
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there's more details in the session.
Those are not going to be admissible.
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it's a very good place to start.
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Let's see if I can get permission from
April to talk to a therapist.
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Crocyptamine is both plant -derived and
chemically stabilized, making it more
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compatible with our brain chemistry than
with psychedelics. And the vast
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majority of our participants, they no
longer meet the diagnostic criteria for
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PTSD.
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I won't be going back to traditional
treatment again.
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So it's a miracle drug.
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I know it all sounds a little kooky.
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Pop a pill, listen to music, lay down in
a dark room and see what feelings come
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up. But we have seen what it can do for
people.
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Which one of you treated April?
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We both did.
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At the same time? Is that typical?
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It's protocol and necessary.
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I mean, the sessions can bring up
strong, sometimes difficult emotions and
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last hours.
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What were you treating her for?
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PTSD. At the time, we believed her
symptoms, hyperarousal, numbness,
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hypervigilance, all stemmed from growing
up in an unstable household with an
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alcoholic mother.
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Think it's possible it actually stemmed
from sexual assault?
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Obviously, we don't know for certain,
but whether or not an event happened is
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unimportant. Seems it would be very
important.
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Detectives, we are not in the business
of investigating the accuracy of a
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or catching criminals. We are in the
business of healing.
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We explore the meaning behind the
memory.
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True or not?
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Yes or no?
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You think she was raped?
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No. I don't.
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I pulled her session files.
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Take a look yourself.
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I trust that you protect both April and
our work.
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Thank you.
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Dr. Severson, you got a minute?
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Unfortunately, no. I'm late for an
appointment. Sorry. We'll walk with you.
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And maybe you could tell us what you
wouldn't say up there in front of your
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partner.
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Really, not much more to say.
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That's fine.
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We'll just ask more questions, widen the
net, involve a lot more people. You
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know, that won't impact the clinical
trials. Max, do you know what
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pharmaceutical companies really love?
Police investigations.
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Look, I'll start by saying I don't mean
to disparage my colleague. I have a lot
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of respect for Dr. Catmull.
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He's worked in psychedelics a long time,
which may be the reason he's a little
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too invested in pushing protryptamine
over the finish line.
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And if it gets solved, all that research
money goes down the drain.
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It's not about the money. It's about
helping people.
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Jonah wasn't wrong to question recovered
memories in any setting. Sometimes
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they're metaphors.
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But he didn't give you the whole truth.
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April has a history of using
psychedelics.
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About five years ago.
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It wasn't revealed in the initial
interview.
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It came out in therapy. But that should
have disqualified her from the study.
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Why didn't it?
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Because she's a success story.
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Jonah wanted it in.
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So what does that have to do with her
memory of being assaulted?
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Jonah omitted the time period when April
was using, when she was meeting a lot
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of men and blacking out on a regular
basis.
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You think that's when this happened?
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I can't say for sure it was rape, but
something happened to that girl.
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April is trying to put together a list
of the men that she dated five years
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but her memory's spotty. Can you
remember who you dated five years ago?
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are not talking about me, thank you very
much.
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What do we got?
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Combing through dating app matches and
cross -checking names of databases.
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Liv, no psychedelic is a magic bullet.
For this writer, for
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others, it's... the new frontier for
mental health medicine.
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Some studies say psychedelics can assist
in memory recall. The others say that
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it impairs it. I have a psych professor
at Fordham who had a section on how
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psychedelics affect the brain. She can
break it down for me. Good. Go talk to
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her.
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So how does protryptamine make you
remember things?
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or that it modulates the brain's fear
response. Our brain protects us from
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traumatic memories, and a psychedelic
like protryptamine can allow you to
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those events with less shame and
judgment. For me, psychedelics weren't
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about memory. I just felt very connected
and present.
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I've done psychedelics. I might have had
a crisis of faith or two that required
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some highly classified trips to Oaxaca a
few years back.
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You're not going to turn me in. I know.
The DEA is on its way.
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It wasn't a clinical trial, of course.
She was a lovely woman, luckily. You're
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very vulnerable in that state.
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I'm glad to see the practice is becoming
more regulated now.
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There have been problems?
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Not just with tryptamine.
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Sex abuse is a known problem with
psychedelics. Even the naturally
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ones like ayahuasca or psilocybin.
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All those happy hormones, they mess with
your personal boundaries.
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They trick you into thinking you're okay
with things when you're not. Which is
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why there's two therapists to make sure
nobody crosses the line.
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The first time I was totally freaked
out.
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Okay. I didn't sleep at all the night
before, and I got there. I took the pill
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and, like, immediately fell asleep. Oh.
And I woke up.
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I felt like I...
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Understood what love meant.
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Wow. Not like being in love, but just
how
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everything and everyone is all one. It's
hard to
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describe. I know, it probably sounds
nuts. No, it sounds kind of incredible.
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So when did you remember the assault?
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The third time.
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Okay.
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They had me put an eye mask on, and it
makes things a lot more intense.
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It felt so vivid, this strong feeling of
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violation. I actually feel it happening
in my body. I was crying.
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Did he tell your therapist?
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One of them was sitting with me. He was
rubbing my back and my legs, holding me.
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Was that a common?
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practice for your sessions, the physical
touch?
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Yeah, I guess so. Okay. It's just that's
quite unorthodox for a therapist to
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cross that boundary.
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What happened afterwards?
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I, well, I can still feel it in my body
the next day.
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Soreness between my legs, my throat,
like somebody had choked me.
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They said it wasn't unusual for the
brain to convince the body that it had
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really happened.
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In my experience, the opposite is true.
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The body that doesn't lie,
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and your body was telling you that you
had been violated.
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And I think that you were.
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But not five years ago.
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Have you considered that maybe you were
assaulted during your session?
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No.
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For a long time, I felt really good
about the therapy.
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It changed my brain.
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It made me more open, optimistic.
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And now it just feels like it got
rotten.
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Like I'm too thick to be fixed.
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Not true.
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You're not too thick to be fixed.
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They took advantage of you when you were
vulnerable.
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And now they're going to pay.
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Okay, so if the Sessions always had two
therapists, what are we thinking? Both
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of them did it?
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One of them did it while the other
watched?
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Or they weren't always together all the
time.
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April doesn't know who was there because
she had a mask over her eyes.
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Well, we both know for a fact they're
willing to lie to cover it up.
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Catmull fudged the Session notes.
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Severson sent us on a wild goose chase
looking at five -year -old hinge
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Catmull has an MD and a PhD. He's been
big in the psychedelic community since
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the 90s. He's a real cheerleader for its
benefits. He's got no complaints
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against them. He did a ton of research
papers on protryptamine therapy.
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I looked into Catmull's financials. He's
got significant investments in all of
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this. If protryptamine gets
distribution, he will make a lot of
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Severson's a PsyD.
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He's new to the psychedelics game. He
still has a private practice. He
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specializes in complex trauma, PTSD,
EMDR. No complaints against him either.
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He and Cat Mill started working together
two years ago for Sterilite
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Pharmaceuticals, a parent company based
in Japan.
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The U .S. division developed
protryptamine and is running the trials.
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well, these clinical trials often record
their testing, so, I mean, maybe
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there's video of these sessions.
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Let's see.
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Who's Judd Flannery?
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Catmull wrote all of his papers with the
guy, and then it looks like they
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stopped around the time Severson came
into the picture.
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Wonder what split them up. Yeah, let's
find out.
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Dr. Catmull and Dr. Severson are some of
our finest researchers.
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Jonah's been with it from almost the
beginning.
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Uh -huh. Since they paired up, their
sites consistently report the best
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scores.
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Why? Well, have you ever had any
complaints about either of them?
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No.
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What kind of complaint?
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April, the SO, recovered a memory of
being sexually assaulted during one of
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sessions. We are looking into the
possibility that she was assaulted
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session.
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That's not possible, April.
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Are you sure?
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Yeah. She was so pleased with her
treatment outcome.
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So, are these sessions recorded, Ms.
Fuentes?
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Yes. But given how sensitive the content
is...
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I can't turn anything over without a
patient's permission. Well, I can help
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with that. This is April's consent, and
you should have a digital copy of that
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in your inbox.
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I can't give you anything without a
subpoena.
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All right, we will get the subpoena.
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We'll be back.
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Save the world, as long as you have a
court order.
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Have you guys ever take that online quiz
where you put in how many times you
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visit your parents and then it tells you
how much time you got left with them
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before they die?
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Hard no.
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I used to calculate how much closer I
was to death working at a job I didn't
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care about so one day I just walked.
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All those years in medical school to
work in a bike shop?
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My dad would have throttled me.
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Eh, never been happier.
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Hey, don't get me wrong. I love helping
people. I just hated everything else.
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Including Catmull?
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You know, I thought I was so lucky when
he asked me to be his research partner.
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Didn't take long to realize he didn't
care much about the science.
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Has he been arrested?
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Why do you ask?
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Dude's a druggie.
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I caught him swiping pills from our
inventory.
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I reported him to my supervisor at Sarah
Lane. She said they'd handle it
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internally. But they never did.
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I don't know. But there's definitely
this mentality over there that nothing
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stop the momentum, you know?
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You ever see him act inappropriate with
a patient?
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You mean like sexually?
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No, but I wouldn't put anything past
that guy.
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A shrink with no empathy.
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That's wild.
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The one time I asked him why I got into
psychedelics, you know what he said?
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Hmm. That's where the money is at.
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Judd Flannery was a fresh graduate who
was incompetent and incapable.
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That's why I ended the relationship.
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Like, for all I know, he stole the meds.
You think we're on the hunt for some
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pills that went missing two years ago?
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We're way beyond that now, Jonah. This
is about what you did to April.
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What are you talking about? Get her
vulnerable and compliant, assault her,
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convince her it was a hallucination.
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What are you saying that I... You raped
your client. Yeah, that's what we're
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saying. Absolutely not. My question is,
was it a tag team situation with you and
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your partner, or was it all his idea?
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I leave the session sometimes.
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I know I'm not supposed to.
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Austin.
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Austin encouraged me to take a break.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure. It's always the
other guy, isn't it? I can prove it.
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I have videos. Everything we sent to
Fairlight.
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I've got copies.
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Have you watched them?
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Because you had a feeling.
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You knew what was on them, didn't you?
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There might not be enough there to prove
rape, but we absolutely have him on
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sexual assault.
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We're still going through all the
videos, but Liv, we've already found two
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women Severson did this to.
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Got him.
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Three crisis calls this morning, all
before 10 a .m.? I think I deserve this.
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Dr. Severson! Hello. Detective!
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This isn't the best time. Is it ever?
Get up!
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What on earth are you doing?
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Arresting you, Doc. What?
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Here, enjoy that.
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So I'm going
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to start with the obvious question,
which is, did you forget that you were
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recorded, or did you just not care?
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Captain, I can see how this might seem
strange if you're not versed in this
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therapy, but that's what this therapy
looks like. You assaulted her.
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I comforted her.
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A person who's taken protryptamine needs
reassurance. They need someone there to
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hold them together, both mentally and
physically. I have to stop you for a
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second because you can't just sit there
and pretend that we didn't see clearly
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what is on this video. You don't have
the context.
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Are my methods unorthodox? Absolutely.
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But the use of touch, so long as it's
non -sexual, has been very effective.
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You call that there non -sexual?
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Yeah. Yeah? Do you know what that word
means?
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Nothing that has transpired between my
clients and myself has ever been sexual.
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Not for me.
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I don't derive any benefit or pleasure
from these sessions. Yeah, well, neither
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was she. She was in tears.
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She said no, stop, multiple times.
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And if I told a surgeon, no, don't sew
up that incision you just made, would he
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stop? I think I get it.
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So what you're saying is that sometimes
when a person is feeling vulnerable,
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right, they just want to be held.
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Exactly. The level of this therapy is so
intense, you have to experience it to
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understand.
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I think someone like you would benefit
from it, Captain.
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That is so kind of you to think of me.
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Where was Dr. Catmull during all of
this?
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I don't recall exactly. He may have been
on a break. The other two patients that
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got your special hands -on care, where
was Dr.
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Catmull for those?
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I would have to check the video. He
wasn't there every single time.
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Honestly, you're real smart.
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You're smarter than me.
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You're smarter than most people who sit
in that chair.
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I mean, creating your own hunting ground
and then hiding behind a clinical trial
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and then having your victims sign up for
it themselves. That is brilliant.
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Regular genius. But you're no different
than every other predator.
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You know that.
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And now everyone else will too.
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Because we have it all on video.
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Captain Curry.
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Executive officer. Look at you.
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Eyes on the ranks.
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Thanks, Chief.
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Here for CompStat? Yeah, my first one.
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Then I'll be late.
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Hey, I'll catch up with you.
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Chris.
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Hey, Captain. Wow.
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You're all dressed up.
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Yeah, well, CompStat meeting, so I had
to drag this thing out.
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Little, uh... Field trip to the records
room?
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Uh, yeah. Yeah, Cap asked me to pull
some old case files. Thinks we might
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repeat offender.
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Hmm. I didn't hear anything about that.
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Yeah. Well, hey, we miss you up there. I
gotta go.
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Hi. I just, uh, arranged everything.
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You're not gonna believe this, but he
pled to the entire indictment. You're
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kidding. The judge gave him 15 years.
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For three rapes?
477
00:29:24,510 --> 00:29:27,250
Look, Amanda, I'm not upset about this,
and you shouldn't be either.
478
00:29:27,530 --> 00:29:29,790
In this case, there's no way it was
going to be a slam dunk.
479
00:29:30,370 --> 00:29:31,730
The video was inconclusive.
480
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:35,410
Even if April and the other two victims
were ready to testify, they were in an
481
00:29:35,410 --> 00:29:38,770
experimental treatment program that was
always going to be tricky with the jury.
482
00:29:39,050 --> 00:29:42,090
To be honest, I'm surprised this lawyer
didn't want to go to trial.
483
00:29:42,510 --> 00:29:44,130
Oh, my God, he's protecting a study.
484
00:29:45,930 --> 00:29:47,070
From what? Scrutiny.
485
00:29:47,970 --> 00:29:52,030
Look, Severson is a creep. He's a
predator.
486
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,500
But he is a true believer in his
therapy. And he'll take the hit so his
487
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:59,900
does. And Sarah Light had all the videos
of Severson. They knew what he was
488
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:01,280
doing. And they did nothing?
489
00:30:02,340 --> 00:30:05,560
And it's despicable, but unfortunately,
they don't have a duty to report. So
490
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,100
they get off on a technicality? Come on.
491
00:30:10,220 --> 00:30:13,000
Don't look at me like that, all right?
For once, I'd like to be able to stay
492
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,820
within my jurisdiction when it comes to
your live.
493
00:30:23,620 --> 00:30:25,680
We can't charge Sterilite criminally.
494
00:30:27,540 --> 00:30:28,940
But we can try to shut him down.
495
00:30:37,580 --> 00:30:43,080
Sonny, gotta say, shutting down an
entire corporation because of one bad
496
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,100
doesn't sit well with me.
497
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,940
Sterilite sees me getting some good
results out of this drug.
498
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,780
Well, I have no issue with
protryptamine.
499
00:30:49,370 --> 00:30:51,410
Psychedelics in general, when they're
handled appropriately.
500
00:30:51,690 --> 00:30:55,510
But what I do have an issue with is poor
oversight and not paying attention when
501
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:56,710
a doctor assaults his patients.
502
00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:58,130
And that man is going to prison.
503
00:30:58,450 --> 00:31:00,510
But that does nothing to solve the
underlying issue.
504
00:31:01,330 --> 00:31:05,630
Look, their complete lack of oversight
has created the perfect conditions for
505
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:08,590
this to happen again with another
doctor. I'm not saying we don't take a
506
00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:11,870
but shutting down the company could shut
down the entire pursuit of this
507
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:14,250
treatment. But if you do nothing, then
patients are going to stay vulnerable.
508
00:31:16,570 --> 00:31:17,570
Look, listen.
509
00:31:18,220 --> 00:31:19,220
How about this?
510
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,200
Cross -designate me.
511
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:25,460
Let me take it on.
512
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:40,240
She said both doctors would be in the
room at all times for my protection and
513
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,040
theirs. And did Ms. Puntage have you
sign a consent form for your sessions to
514
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,040
recorded? I did.
515
00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:49,060
They said it was for the study, and no
one else would see them.
516
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,600
And I'm assuming that you did not
consent to either doctor lying under a
517
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,560
with you and touching your body.
518
00:31:55,860 --> 00:31:57,420
No, absolutely not.
519
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:03,140
And did Ms. Fuentes or anyone else from
Serolite Pharmaceuticals ever reach out
520
00:32:03,140 --> 00:32:05,740
to you about what was on your recorded
video sessions?
521
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,000
No. Even after Dr.
522
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,140
Jefferson was arrested for sexually
assaulting you?
523
00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:11,380
Not a word.
524
00:32:11,740 --> 00:32:14,240
Thank you, Ms. DiEso. No further
questions, Your Honor.
525
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,700
Ms. Retset, your witness.
526
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,100
Ms. DeAso, what you endured at the hands
of Dr.
527
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,100
Severson was reprehensible, and I don't
want to put you through a long list of
528
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:25,480
questions, so I'll be quick, all right?
529
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,280
Okay. I really just have one.
530
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,480
Did this therapy help you?
531
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,700
I don't know her.
532
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,660
I was assaulted.
533
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,620
Right. I know.
534
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,040
But that's not what I'm asking.
535
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,020
You had been treated for PTSD.
536
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,280
Is that still your diagnosis?
537
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,300
He's a monster. I don't disagree.
538
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,399
He is.
539
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:56,360
And, according to your post -clinical
trial follow -up, your PTSD is,
540
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,860
speaking, no longer present.
541
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,720
So I'll ask again, did it help you?
542
00:33:08,060 --> 00:33:12,140
When I wake up at night, I feel like I'm
being choked.
543
00:33:13,550 --> 00:33:14,750
Feel hands on me.
544
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:17,630
Feel him on top of me over a year later.
545
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:22,610
I think about what would have happened
if Dr. Severson hadn't done this to me.
546
00:33:22,690 --> 00:33:24,130
What that life would have been like.
547
00:33:24,750 --> 00:33:25,950
I'll never know.
548
00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:31,630
I just don't want what happened to me to
happen to anyone else.
549
00:33:40,790 --> 00:33:42,670
Ms. Fuentes, your company...
550
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,480
Has safeguards in place to prevent
sexual abuse, correct?
551
00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:51,160
Yes, we do. For example, you require two
therapists to be present for the entire
552
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,040
duration of every session.
553
00:33:53,260 --> 00:33:56,280
Correct. You also require that each
session be recorded on video.
554
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,900
Yes. But that didn't really stop Dr.
Severson, though, did it?
555
00:34:01,340 --> 00:34:04,540
We were horrified by his criminal
actions.
556
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,500
But to say that one bad actor is
indicative of our entire company, it's
557
00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:14,370
Right, because you know for certain that
there was only one bad actor. You got
558
00:34:14,370 --> 00:34:18,270
the videos, right? So if anything
inappropriate had happened, you would
559
00:34:18,270 --> 00:34:19,270
seen that.
560
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:25,770
You do record every session, don't you,
Dr. Fuentes?
561
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:30,330
Yeah. And have you ever seen a therapist
leave a session when they weren't
562
00:34:30,330 --> 00:34:31,069
supposed to?
563
00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:32,110
I never saw that.
564
00:34:32,330 --> 00:34:34,570
No? And all those videos? That's
astonishing.
565
00:34:35,150 --> 00:34:38,630
I mean, how many hours would you say
there are? There's got to be thousands.
566
00:34:39,230 --> 00:34:42,530
Yes. And approximately how many hours of
those sessions did you watch?
567
00:34:44,330 --> 00:34:46,190
I haven't had an opportunity to review.
568
00:34:46,510 --> 00:34:51,050
You never watched the videos that you
require for the purpose of protecting
569
00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:52,610
patients? Me personally?
570
00:34:52,989 --> 00:34:55,370
No. Okay, not personally, but who does?
571
00:34:56,110 --> 00:34:57,270
You have to understand.
572
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:59,350
We keep the videos as records.
573
00:34:59,710 --> 00:35:02,490
We simply don't have the manpower to
review that much footage.
574
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:04,650
We're a research -focused entity.
575
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:07,710
Its primary purpose should have been to
keep your patients safe.
576
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:14,130
And if you had done your job, then you
would have seen three women, the very
577
00:35:14,130 --> 00:35:17,910
people that you were supposed to
protect, be assaulted by one of your
578
00:35:17,950 --> 00:35:18,950
Isn't that true?
579
00:35:21,350 --> 00:35:22,350
Yes.
580
00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:24,810
Nothing further.
581
00:35:26,170 --> 00:35:27,970
Ms. Swinton, you may step down.
582
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:33,990
Both counsel approach.
583
00:35:44,490 --> 00:35:48,170
Ms. Rett said, if things keep going the
way they're going, I'm inclined to rule
584
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:52,190
in favor of the Attorney General's
office. Your Honor, I would... However,
585
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:56,830
also understand that Serolite
Pharmaceuticals is at the forefront of a
586
00:35:56,830 --> 00:36:01,630
breakthrough medication that has the
potential to change the face of mental
587
00:36:01,630 --> 00:36:06,670
health treatment, perhaps under the
right leadership. Hold on. Your Honor.
588
00:36:06,670 --> 00:36:10,230
Serolite Board would not object to
removing Ms. Fuentes from her position
589
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:11,250
CEO, Your Honor.
590
00:36:11,550 --> 00:36:16,250
In that case, I'd be inclined to deny
the Attorney General's application to
591
00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:18,910
them down. Your Honor, respectfully, I
disagree.
592
00:36:19,110 --> 00:36:20,530
Three women have been victimized.
593
00:36:21,070 --> 00:36:22,070
Victimized by Dr.
594
00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:23,410
Severson, who's out of the picture.
595
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:28,390
Did SAU find any other instances of
therapists abusing patients?
596
00:36:28,770 --> 00:36:31,630
No, they did not, but the potential for
abuse is there.
597
00:36:32,010 --> 00:36:36,710
And unless we shut them down until real
changes are made, it'll stay there. I
598
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:40,090
admire your passion, Mr. Creasy, but I
don't think you've made your case.
599
00:36:40,990 --> 00:36:42,270
You're welcome to take an appeal.
600
00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:44,070
Step back.
601
00:36:54,910 --> 00:36:58,110
Well, you went down swinging, Stoney.
I'll give you that.
602
00:36:58,690 --> 00:37:01,770
Yeah, well, thanks for the spot on the
team. Your turn.
603
00:37:02,090 --> 00:37:03,090
Take care.
604
00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:07,670
Well, you warned me that we were
punching above our weight. Yeah, I did.
605
00:37:08,380 --> 00:37:10,980
Well, you're not going to give me the I
-told -you -so speech?
606
00:37:15,220 --> 00:37:18,460
When I was a kid, my mom had an
abortion.
607
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,720
Nearly killed the Catholic father. The
baby would have been born with all kinds
608
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:24,658
of problems.
609
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:29,400
All this information came out about this
antidepressant that she was using off
610
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,279
and on.
611
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,320
I remember this fancy lawyer, he came to
our house and he wanted her to join a
612
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,580
class action lawsuit.
613
00:37:36,810 --> 00:37:40,790
Told us that hundreds of babies have
been born with birth defects because of
614
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:41,790
that drop.
615
00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:42,870
What did she do?
616
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:45,290
Class action was denied certification.
617
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:47,550
Case never went to trial.
618
00:37:48,070 --> 00:37:54,410
My mom, she couldn't afford to file an
individual claim, so... So that was
619
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:59,470
The crew sees everything.
620
00:38:00,750 --> 00:38:01,750
It's behind bars.
621
00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:05,110
We're moving for one day, so it's
definitely going to shake things up.
622
00:38:06,350 --> 00:38:08,350
You didn't really lose this case today.
623
00:38:10,210 --> 00:38:11,650
I could share with the pep talk.
624
00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:15,050
Usually I'm the one telling you that we
did all we could.
625
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:16,670
Well, people change.
626
00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:30,410
What's this? A few files that you
missed.
627
00:38:31,950 --> 00:38:33,470
This one was the killer.
628
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:38,070
So the witness turned out to be a
fabulous, just makes up a whole bunch of
629
00:38:38,070 --> 00:38:43,830
details. And then the whole case fell
apart at trial. So I don't know why
630
00:38:43,830 --> 00:38:44,830
pulling my old cases.
631
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:47,770
I suspect it's because somebody told you
to.
632
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:49,750
So you go ahead, Griff.
633
00:38:50,610 --> 00:38:52,470
You look into anything you want.
634
00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:55,090
Because I don't have any secrets.
635
00:38:56,370 --> 00:38:59,750
And whatever mistakes I've made, and I'm
sure there have been a ton,
636
00:39:01,310 --> 00:39:02,750
I stand by.
637
00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:06,550
Wait.
638
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:09,550
Look at this.
639
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:10,950
What is that?
640
00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:15,970
From a shooting in a bar in the Upper
West Side in 2001.
641
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:17,230
Look at it.
642
00:39:17,810 --> 00:39:19,990
Involving a Lieutenant Jimmy Griffin.
643
00:39:23,970 --> 00:39:25,870
And Detective Catherine Tynan.
644
00:39:28,450 --> 00:39:32,550
Yeah, you're right. I was tasked into
looking into your old cases.
645
00:39:32,910 --> 00:39:33,910
Okay.
646
00:39:34,540 --> 00:39:36,800
And I use that as cover to dig that up.
647
00:39:43,340 --> 00:39:45,340
What are you planning on doing with
this, Rip?
648
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,820
I'm going to find out the truth.
649
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,380
And I'm going to give that to the
commissioner.
650
00:39:56,140 --> 00:39:58,340
I don't care what happens to me.
651
00:39:59,980 --> 00:40:01,720
I don't care what happens to my dad.
652
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,120
Legacy after that.
653
00:40:04,799 --> 00:40:06,660
Legacy? Like, what the hell does that
even mean?
654
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,200
Tynan. I mean, you know this. Tynan,
she's been there for me.
655
00:40:16,580 --> 00:40:19,860
Through some very hard times, okay?
656
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,060
I cannot take any of this anymore.
657
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,480
I gotta know. Gotta know the truth.
658
00:40:32,279 --> 00:40:34,000
It's going to blow everything up.
659
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,140
Are you ready for that?
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