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- In the criminal justicesystem,
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sexually based offenses
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are consideredespecially heinous.
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In New York City,the dedicated detectives
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who investigatethese vicious felonies
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are members of an elite squad
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known asthe Special Victims Unit.
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These are their stories.
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- Hey!
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What the hell? That's my car!
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- Hey, don't come any closer!
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- Look what you did!
- He said stand back!
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- Wha--
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Run, Harrison!
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- Police!
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- NYPD!
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- Don't move.
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Put your hands on the car!
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- Let's go.
- Margot--
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- Quiet!
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- Are you all right?
Do you need an ambulance?
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- No, I'm--I'm okay.
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- What happened?
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- Uh, I just ca--came out
and found them messing up m--
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my car.
- Any idea why?
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- I mean,
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I guess that.
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- I take it you're Zac.
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- I just think it's important
to believe victims.
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- Well, I couldn't agree more.
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But are you saying
that you're a victim?
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- I'm saying when people
speak up, nobody listens.
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- I'm listening.
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Margot, I'm all ears.
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No, you're gonna say
what everyone else says.
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What was she wearing?
Was she drinking?
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- Okay, Margot, please.
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Just yes or no.
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Were you a victim
of sexual assault?
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- You see?
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You're not listening.
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- Look,
this all got out of hand.
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Nobody intended for
anybody to get hurt.
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- Yeah, kind of hard to
buy that when you show up
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with a baseball bat, Harrison.
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- Margot said it was
just a precaution.
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- What else did Margot say?
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- That it's important
to take a stand.
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And it is.
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And that we should
believe women, and I do.
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- You always do
what Margot tells you?
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- She's very, very smart.
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And she cares about
the world,
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and justice.
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And--and she's--
and she's smart.
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- And she told you
that Zac was a rapist?
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- I am not a rapist.
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I don't even know what
they're talking about.
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- You've never met
either of them?
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- No, but a couple days ago,
I started getting
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all these DMs on my socials.
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They found my work email.
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Total strangers saying
I raped somebody.
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- Zac, what I need
you to focus on
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is why they'd get this idea
about you.
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- Man, I don't know.
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They're crazy?
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You know, mistaken identity?
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I--I don't even know
who's saying I did that.
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- Margot, this is not
a trick question.
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It's yes or no.
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Is the victim a friend
of yours or not?
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- What if she's not?
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Do we have to be besties?
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- Oh, my God, you--
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you don't have to be anything.
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I don't know how to
get through to you.
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I cannot move forward
with this investigation
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until I have a name.
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- Who is this victim
you are avenging?
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- Like, a name?
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- Yeah, exactly, like a name.
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- I don't actually know
her real-life name.
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- I never met her.
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- You never had one
conversation with her?
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- No, but it doesn't matter.
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What matters is we found
her rapist, and you didn't.
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- Okay, Margot,
I need you to give me
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something to investigate,
just one thing.
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Could be anything.
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I need you to give me
one thing.
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Her name is Jaded Ember.
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She's a VTuber on Twitch.
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Like a virtual streamer.
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- I don't expect anyoneto believe me or help me.
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I just wanted tosay it out loud.
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The guy who raped me,he's gonna get away with it.
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But maybe someone who's goingthrough something like this,
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maybe they'll hear meand have a different ending.
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I don't know.
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It would be awesomeif this helped someone.
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Otherwise,what's even the point?
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- I mean, you'd have to be
crazy to ignore that.
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How could we just
not try to help?
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- And we think he's
casing the houses
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until the occupants leave.
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So I'm assigning an additional
unit to Sector David.
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Questions?
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All right, then let's focus on
quality stops and good collars.
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And make sure your body cams
are up and running.
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Be professional, respectful,
and everyone
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comes back in one piece.
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All right, thanks. Dismissed.
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- Not one officer
checking their phone.
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They must like you.
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- Well, there may or may not
be a rumor going around
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that anyone not paying
attention to the roll
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gets zero OT.
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- You're laying down
the hammer.
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- Guess I'm a natural.
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- I don't like this.
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- There's nothing to like.
It is what it is.
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- Yeah, but can I still be mad
for you?
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- Ah, shoot, I got
a budgeting meeting coming up.
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But tell Griff if he double
parks in front of the precinct
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again, I'm gonna
have his ass towed.
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- I'm not gonna lie.
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That interview from last night
kind of broke my brain.
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- Yeah, I feel like I know less
after talking to them
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than I did after reading
the two-sentence police report.
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- I had to cut Zac loose.
He said he'd stay in town.
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- Yeah, we got nothing
to hold him on.
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- What'd I miss?
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- A whole lot of questions.
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- Okay, so I found the
rest of that clip
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from Jaded Ember's Twitch site.
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She's got a ton of fans
on GameCast.
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Mostly livestreams herself
playing video games.
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But here's the part
of the video where
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she talks about being raped.
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- I was in therapy whenit all came back to me.
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It's so crazy how your braincan just forget things
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that are, like, too traumatic.
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But I can feel him
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pressing down on my neck,
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telling me to relax.
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I could hardly breathe.
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I couldn't scream.
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I--
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I don't know.This sounds crazy.
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I hope you guys believe me.
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- So it's a recovered memory.
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- Yeah, from someone who
won't reveal their identity.
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It's tricky.
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- Did she identify her rapist?
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- No, nothing.
No name, no details.
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- But our vigilante Margot
claims that
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her detective skills
are so incredible that
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they have cracked the case.
- Mm.
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- Well, Zac is also a gamer.
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He's got a big following
on Twitch.
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He and Jaded Ember were dating.
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But Zac claims they never met,
only online.
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They had a big public
ugly breakup about a year ago.
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Her fans just jumped
to their own conclusions.
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- It seems real thin.
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- Well, how many of her fans
think that he's a rapist?
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- Oh, most of them.
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- So he could be looking
at more of her fans
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tracking him down
and harassing him, or worse.
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- So let's get a subpoena
for her identity.
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That way,
if she makes a complaint,
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we have something
to investigate.
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April Deieso?
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- Uh, yeah?
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- You're Jaded Ember.
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- What's this about?
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- We're from
Special Victims Unit.
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Can we talk to you for a sec?
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- I don't recognize them.
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Yeah, I know Zac.
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He's a dick
and a terrible boyfriend,
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but he didn't rape me.
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- Well, thanks for
clearing that up.
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- How bad was it? Is he okay?
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- He was shaken up,
but he's fine.
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You made some pretty
serious allegations
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on that live stream.
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We are sorry that
that happened to you,
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and we would like
to investigate.
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- No.
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I know that it
sounds kind of weird,
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that I'm saying I was raped,
but I don't really remember.
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And I--I know
how crazy that sounds--
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- But it's not crazy.
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So, April, it's very common
for victims
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to block out significant
details from their assault.
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- Right, but I only remember
bits and pieces,
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and I don't wanna be,
like, quizzed on everything.
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- You said you remembered this
while you were in therapy.
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Can you talk to us
more about that?
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- I--I don't think I can.
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- What do you mean?
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- I was on a psychedelic.
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- Okay.
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- It was a clinical trial
for PTSD.
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It's this drug
called protryptamine.
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- Okay.
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- No, I--
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I really shouldn't
have said anything.
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I know how it sounds.
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Nobody's gonna believe me.
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- We're here because
we think that
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there is something
to investigate.
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- There's not.
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I don't remember enough.
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You won't be able to find him.
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- Let us try.
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So the clinical trial has
been over for almost a year.
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And the drug is being
tested for the treatment
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of PTSD, anxiety, depression.
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- And April had no memory
of this assault
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before taking a hallucinogen?
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- No, she doesn't.
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But it's--it's not
a hallucinogen.
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It's not like LSD or DMT.
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It activates
serotonin receptors,
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increases prolactin,
which boosts
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about every happy hormone
you can think of.
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- And this makes you
recover memories?
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Or invent them?
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Look, I gotta ask you,
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are you sure that this assault
actually happened?
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- Well, we don't know yet,
but April believes that it did.
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And now so do a lot
of internet warriors.
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So we're just--we're
trying to get to the truth.
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- All right, look,
even if April recalls details,
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you're gonna need
a lot more than that.
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The issue here--she wasn't
aware this crime happened
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before taking a psychedelic.
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- Even if this treatment
is gaining legitimacy?
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- Well, it doesn't matter.
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People v. Hughes,
People v. Tunstall,
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both of these cases
evaluated memories
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that were recovered
through hypnosis,
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and the courts have
repeatedly found
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that testimony needs
to be supported
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by pre-hypnotic recollection,
okay?
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They're absolutely going to
apply that here.
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- So this is dead in the water?
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- You can use this statement
to ID a suspect,
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but then you're gonna need
independent evidence.
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You're gonna need a confession.
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- Well, you know,
it's a clinical trial.
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They've gotta have records.
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So maybe there's more
details in the session.
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- Those are not
gonna be admissible.
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- But it's a very good place
to start.
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I'll see if I can get
permission from April
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to talk with the therapist.
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- Protryptamine
is both plant-derived
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and chemically stabilized,
making it more compatible
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with our brain chemistry
than most psychedelics.
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And the vast majority
of our participants,
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they no longer meet the
diagnostic criteria for PTSD.
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I won't be going back to
traditional treatment again.
267
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- So it's a miracle drug?
268
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- I know it all sounds
a little kooky--
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pop a pill, listen to music,
lay down in a dark room,
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and see what feelings come up,
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but we have seen what
it could do for people.
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- Which one of you
treated April?
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- We both did.
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- At the--at the same time?
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Is that typical?
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- It's protocol, and necessary.
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I mean, the sessions can bring
up strong, sometimes difficult
278
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emotions, and can last hours.
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- What were you
treating her for?
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- PTSD.
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At the time, we believed
her symptoms--hyperarousal,
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numbness, hypervigilance--
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all stemmed from growing up
in an unstable household
284
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with an alcoholic mother.
285
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- You think it's possible
it actually
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stemmed from sexual assault?
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- Obviously,
we don't know for certain.
288
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But whether or not an event
happened is unimportant.
289
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- Seems it would be
very important.
290
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- Detectives,
we're not in the business
291
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of investigating
the accuracy of a memory
292
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or catching criminals.
293
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We are in the business
of healing.
294
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We explore the meaning behind
the memory, true or not.
295
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- Yes or no.
296
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You think she was raped?
297
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- No, I don't.
298
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I pulled her session files.
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Take a look yourselves.
300
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I trust that you'll protect
both April and our work.
301
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- Thank you.
302
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- Dr. Severson, got a minute?
303
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- Uh, unfortunately, no.
304
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I'm late for an appointment.
Sorry.
305
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- We'll walk with you,
and then maybe you
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could tell us what you
wouldn't say up there
307
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in front of your partner.
308
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- Uh, there's really
not much more to say.
309
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- That's fine.
310
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We'll just ask more questions,
widen the net,
311
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involve a lot more people.
312
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You know, that won't impact
the clinical trials at all.
313
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- Nah, 'cause you know
what pharmaceutical
314
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companies really love?
315
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Police investigations.
316
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- Look, I'll start by saying,
317
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I don't mean to disparage
my colleague.
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I have a lot of respect
for Dr. Catmull.
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He's worked in psychedelics
a long time,
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which may be the reason
he's a little too invested
321
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in pushing protryptamine
over the finish line.
322
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- And if it gets stalled,
all that research money
323
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goes down the drain.
324
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- It's not about the money.
325
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It's about helping people.
326
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Jonah wasn't wrong to question
recovered memories
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in any setting.
328
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Sometimes they're metaphors.
329
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But he didn't give you
the whole truth.
330
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April has a history
of using psychedelics--
331
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about five years ago.
332
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It wasn't revealed
in the initial interview.
333
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It came out in therapy.
334
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But that should have
disqualified her
335
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from the study.
336
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- Why didn't it?
337
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- Because she's
a success story.
338
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Jonah wanted it in.
339
00:13:56,036 --> 00:13:57,905
- So what does that have
to do with her memory
340
00:13:57,938 --> 00:13:59,873
of being assaulted?
341
00:13:59,940 --> 00:14:03,844
- Jonah omitted the time period
when April was using,
342
00:14:03,911 --> 00:14:05,547
when she was meeting
a lot of men
343
00:14:05,613 --> 00:14:08,082
and blacking out
on a regular basis.
344
00:14:09,216 --> 00:14:10,851
- You think that's when
this happened?
345
00:14:10,884 --> 00:14:12,654
- I can't say for sure
it was rape,
346
00:14:12,754 --> 00:14:15,657
but something happened
to that girl.
347
00:14:24,498 --> 00:14:26,133
- April was trying to put
together a list of the men
348
00:14:26,768 --> 00:14:28,302
that she dated five years ago,
349
00:14:28,369 --> 00:14:30,304
but her memory's spotty.
350
00:14:30,371 --> 00:14:32,206
- Can you remember who
you dated five years ago?
351
00:14:32,272 --> 00:14:35,577
- Well, we are not talking
about me, thank you very much.
352
00:14:35,610 --> 00:14:37,177
What do we got?
353
00:14:37,244 --> 00:14:39,346
- Combing through dating app
matches and cross-checking
354
00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:40,447
names with databases.
355
00:14:40,515 --> 00:14:42,082
- Liv.
356
00:14:43,183 --> 00:14:45,953
- "No psychedelic
is a magic bullet."
357
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- For this writer.
358
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For others,
it's the new frontier
359
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for mental health medicine.
360
00:14:51,191 --> 00:14:54,294
Some studies say psychedelics
can assist in memory recall,
361
00:14:54,328 --> 00:14:56,096
but others say
that it impairs it.
362
00:14:56,196 --> 00:14:58,132
I had a psych professor
at Fordham
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who had a section on how
psychedelics affect the brain.
364
00:15:00,635 --> 00:15:01,902
She can break it down for me.
365
00:15:01,935 --> 00:15:03,237
- Good. Go talk to her.
366
00:15:06,173 --> 00:15:08,643
- So how does protryptamine
make you remember things?
367
00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:11,345
- It's more that it modulates
the brain's fear response.
368
00:15:11,378 --> 00:15:14,281
Our brain protects us
from traumatic memories.
369
00:15:14,348 --> 00:15:16,584
And a psychedelic
like protryptamine
370
00:15:16,718 --> 00:15:18,218
can allow you
to recall those events
371
00:15:18,318 --> 00:15:20,421
with less shame and judgment.
372
00:15:20,454 --> 00:15:23,991
For me, psychedelics weren't
so much about memory.
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I just felt very
connected and present.
374
00:15:27,662 --> 00:15:29,096
- You've done psychedelics?
375
00:15:29,163 --> 00:15:31,766
- I might have had
a crisis of faith or two
376
00:15:31,833 --> 00:15:34,001
that required some
highly classified trips
377
00:15:34,034 --> 00:15:36,403
to Oaxaca a few years back.
- Ah.
378
00:15:36,437 --> 00:15:37,872
- You're not gonna
turn me in, are you?
379
00:15:37,938 --> 00:15:39,507
- Yeah, the DA's on its way.
380
00:15:39,574 --> 00:15:41,942
- It wasn't a clinical trial,
of course.
381
00:15:42,009 --> 00:15:44,011
She was a lovely woman,
luckily.
382
00:15:44,144 --> 00:15:46,213
You're very vulnerable
in that state.
383
00:15:46,246 --> 00:15:49,483
I'm glad to see the practice
is becoming more regulated now.
384
00:15:49,551 --> 00:15:51,185
- There have been problems?
385
00:15:51,251 --> 00:15:53,153
- It's not just protryptamine.
386
00:15:53,187 --> 00:15:56,123
Sex abuse is a known problem
in psychedelics,
387
00:15:56,156 --> 00:15:57,692
even the naturally
occurring ones
388
00:15:57,725 --> 00:15:59,527
like ayahuasca or psilocybin.
389
00:15:59,594 --> 00:16:01,028
- Mm.
390
00:16:01,094 --> 00:16:03,397
- All those happy hormones,
391
00:16:03,464 --> 00:16:05,600
they mess with your
personal boundaries.
392
00:16:05,633 --> 00:16:08,770
They trick you into thinking
you're okay with things
393
00:16:08,837 --> 00:16:09,970
when you're not.
394
00:16:10,037 --> 00:16:11,405
- Which is why
there's two therapists--
395
00:16:11,438 --> 00:16:13,708
make sure
nobody crosses a line.
396
00:16:15,209 --> 00:16:17,444
- The first time,
I was totally freaked out.
397
00:16:17,512 --> 00:16:18,880
- Okay.
398
00:16:18,979 --> 00:16:20,582
- I didn't sleep at all
the night before.
399
00:16:20,648 --> 00:16:24,184
And I got there,
I took the pill,
400
00:16:24,251 --> 00:16:26,521
and, like,
immediately fell asleep.
401
00:16:26,621 --> 00:16:27,622
- Oh.
402
00:16:27,722 --> 00:16:32,794
- When I woke up, I felt...
403
00:16:32,927 --> 00:16:35,663
like I...
404
00:16:35,730 --> 00:16:37,998
understood what love meant.
405
00:16:38,131 --> 00:16:39,601
Wow.
406
00:16:39,634 --> 00:16:44,672
Not--not, like, being in love,
but just how
407
00:16:44,806 --> 00:16:47,542
everything and everyone
is all one.
408
00:16:47,609 --> 00:16:51,211
It's--it's hard to describe.
409
00:16:51,278 --> 00:16:52,947
I--I know I probably
sound nuts.
410
00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,084
- No, it sounds
kind of, um, incredible.
411
00:16:57,217 --> 00:17:00,220
So when did you
remember the assault?
412
00:17:01,488 --> 00:17:02,724
- The third time.
413
00:17:02,824 --> 00:17:04,057
- Okay.
414
00:17:04,157 --> 00:17:05,627
- They had me put
an eye mask on,
415
00:17:05,660 --> 00:17:09,731
and it makes things
a lot more intense.
416
00:17:09,831 --> 00:17:12,767
It felt so vivid,
417
00:17:12,834 --> 00:17:16,470
this strong feeling of...
418
00:17:16,571 --> 00:17:17,939
violation.
419
00:17:17,972 --> 00:17:20,975
I could actually feel it
happening in my body.
420
00:17:21,074 --> 00:17:22,309
I was crying.
421
00:17:22,376 --> 00:17:24,177
- Did you tell your therapists?
422
00:17:24,244 --> 00:17:25,880
- One of them was
sitting with me.
423
00:17:25,980 --> 00:17:29,283
He was rubbing my back
and my legs, holding me.
424
00:17:29,416 --> 00:17:33,521
- Is that a common practice
for your sessions,
425
00:17:33,655 --> 00:17:36,323
the physical touch?
426
00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:38,960
- Y--yeah, I guess so.
- Okay.
427
00:17:39,027 --> 00:17:41,963
It's just that's--
that's quite unorthodox,
428
00:17:41,996 --> 00:17:45,667
for a therapist to--
to cross that boundary.
429
00:17:45,700 --> 00:17:47,869
What happened afterwards?
430
00:17:47,969 --> 00:17:49,469
- I went home.
431
00:17:49,604 --> 00:17:51,171
- Mm-hmm.
432
00:17:51,204 --> 00:17:54,074
- And I could still feel it
in my body the next day--
433
00:17:54,107 --> 00:17:57,177
soreness between my legs
434
00:17:57,210 --> 00:17:58,580
and my throat,
435
00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,481
like somebody had choked me.
436
00:18:01,583 --> 00:18:07,021
They said it wasn't unusual for
the brain to convince the body
437
00:18:07,087 --> 00:18:10,024
that it had really happened.
438
00:18:10,123 --> 00:18:13,260
- In my experience,
the opposite is true.
439
00:18:13,327 --> 00:18:16,030
Um...
440
00:18:16,096 --> 00:18:18,666
it's the body
441
00:18:18,700 --> 00:18:21,002
that doesn't lie.
442
00:18:21,101 --> 00:18:24,038
And your body was telling you
443
00:18:24,104 --> 00:18:26,941
that you had been violated.
444
00:18:28,342 --> 00:18:31,846
And I think that you were.
445
00:18:31,879 --> 00:18:33,648
But not five years ago.
446
00:18:35,683 --> 00:18:40,054
Have you considered that maybe
you were assaulted during--
447
00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:41,656
during your session?
448
00:18:46,628 --> 00:18:47,862
- No.
449
00:18:54,234 --> 00:18:57,270
For a long time, I felt
really good about the therapy.
450
00:18:59,107 --> 00:19:00,875
It changed my brain.
451
00:19:00,942 --> 00:19:03,878
It made me more open
and optimistic.
452
00:19:07,180 --> 00:19:12,285
And now it just feels
like it got rotten.
453
00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:15,523
Like I'm too sick to be fixed.
454
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:17,457
- That's not true.
455
00:19:17,558 --> 00:19:21,228
You're not too sick
to be fixed.
456
00:19:21,294 --> 00:19:26,934
They took advantage of you
when you were vulnerable.
457
00:19:27,001 --> 00:19:28,836
And now they're gonna pay.
458
00:19:38,412 --> 00:19:40,180
- Okay, so if the sessions
always had two therapists,
459
00:19:41,082 --> 00:19:43,216
what are we thinking?
Both of them did it?
460
00:19:43,316 --> 00:19:45,053
One of them did it
while the other watched?
461
00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,522
- Or they weren't always
together all the time.
462
00:19:47,622 --> 00:19:49,389
- April doesn't know
who was there
463
00:19:49,489 --> 00:19:50,925
because she had a mask
over her eyes.
464
00:19:51,025 --> 00:19:52,593
- Well, we both know
for a fact
465
00:19:52,694 --> 00:19:54,996
they're willing to lie
to cover it up.
466
00:19:55,063 --> 00:19:57,098
Catmull fudged
the session notes.
467
00:19:57,131 --> 00:19:59,067
Severson sent us
on a wild goose chase
468
00:19:59,133 --> 00:20:01,169
looking at
five-year-old Hinge matches.
469
00:20:01,234 --> 00:20:03,638
Catmull has an M.D. and a PhD.
470
00:20:03,738 --> 00:20:05,173
He's been big in
the psychedelics community
471
00:20:05,272 --> 00:20:06,507
since the '90s.
472
00:20:06,607 --> 00:20:08,408
He's a real cheerleader
for its benefits.
473
00:20:08,509 --> 00:20:09,844
He's got no complaints
against him.
474
00:20:09,877 --> 00:20:14,347
He did a ton of research papers
on protryptamine therapy.
475
00:20:14,448 --> 00:20:16,651
And I looked into
Catmull's financials.
476
00:20:16,718 --> 00:20:19,419
He's got significant
investments in all of this.
477
00:20:19,486 --> 00:20:22,724
Okay, if protryptamine
gets distribution,
478
00:20:22,824 --> 00:20:24,025
he will make a lot of money.
479
00:20:24,125 --> 00:20:25,325
- Hmm.
480
00:20:25,358 --> 00:20:27,962
- Severson's a PsyD.
481
00:20:27,995 --> 00:20:29,530
He's new to psychedelics game.
482
00:20:29,630 --> 00:20:31,331
He still has
a private practice.
483
00:20:31,398 --> 00:20:34,168
He specializes in
complex trauma, PTSD, EMDR.
484
00:20:34,267 --> 00:20:35,770
No complaints
against him either.
485
00:20:35,837 --> 00:20:38,840
- He and Catmull started
working together two years ago
486
00:20:38,873 --> 00:20:40,174
for Serolyte Pharmaceuticals.
487
00:20:40,273 --> 00:20:42,275
The parent company
is based in Japan.
488
00:20:42,375 --> 00:20:44,712
The U.S. division
developed protryptamine
489
00:20:44,812 --> 00:20:45,713
and is running the trials.
490
00:20:45,813 --> 00:20:46,914
- Okay, well,
these clinical trials
491
00:20:46,981 --> 00:20:48,616
often record their testing.
492
00:20:48,683 --> 00:20:52,186
So I mean, maybe there's
video of these sessions.
493
00:20:52,220 --> 00:20:53,721
Let's see.
494
00:20:53,755 --> 00:20:55,556
- Who's Judd Flannery?
495
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:58,458
- Catmull wrote all of
his papers with the guy.
496
00:20:58,526 --> 00:21:00,293
And then it looks
like they stopped
497
00:21:00,327 --> 00:21:03,030
around the time Severson
came into the picture.
498
00:21:03,131 --> 00:21:04,232
- I wonder what split 'em up.
499
00:21:04,297 --> 00:21:06,399
- Yeah, let's find out.
500
00:21:10,071 --> 00:21:11,539
- Dr. Catmull and Dr. Severson
501
00:21:11,606 --> 00:21:13,708
are some of our
finest researchers.
502
00:21:13,808 --> 00:21:16,043
Jonah has been with it
from almost the beginning.
503
00:21:16,144 --> 00:21:17,377
- Uh-huh.
- Since they paired up,
504
00:21:17,477 --> 00:21:18,813
their sites consistently report
505
00:21:18,913 --> 00:21:20,047
the best patient scores.
506
00:21:20,148 --> 00:21:21,582
Why?
507
00:21:21,649 --> 00:21:22,884
- Well, have you ever
had any complaints
508
00:21:22,917 --> 00:21:23,985
about either of them?
509
00:21:24,051 --> 00:21:25,720
- No.
510
00:21:25,787 --> 00:21:26,921
What kind of complaints?
511
00:21:27,021 --> 00:21:29,422
- April Deieso
recovered a memory
512
00:21:29,524 --> 00:21:33,027
of being sexually assaulted
during one of her sessions.
513
00:21:33,094 --> 00:21:35,428
We are looking into
the possibility
514
00:21:35,462 --> 00:21:39,901
that she was assaulted
during that session.
515
00:21:39,934 --> 00:21:41,803
- That's not possible. April?
516
00:21:41,869 --> 00:21:44,337
Are you sure?
- Yeah.
517
00:21:44,404 --> 00:21:45,673
- She was so pleased
with her treatment outcome.
518
00:21:45,773 --> 00:21:49,710
- So are these sessions
recorded, Ms. Fuentes?
519
00:21:49,811 --> 00:21:51,078
- Yes.
520
00:21:51,179 --> 00:21:53,781
But given how sensitive
the content is,
521
00:21:53,848 --> 00:21:56,517
I can't turn anything over
without a patient's permission.
522
00:21:56,584 --> 00:21:58,019
- Well, I can help you
with that.
523
00:21:58,085 --> 00:21:59,821
This is April's consent.
524
00:21:59,887 --> 00:22:03,591
And you should have a digital
copy of that in your inbox.
525
00:22:05,827 --> 00:22:07,795
- I can't give you anything
without a subpoena.
526
00:22:07,895 --> 00:22:11,866
- All right,
we will get a subpoena.
527
00:22:11,966 --> 00:22:14,168
We'll be back.
528
00:22:14,268 --> 00:22:15,468
- Save the world,
529
00:22:15,503 --> 00:22:18,005
as long as
you have a court order.
530
00:22:20,875 --> 00:22:22,475
- Either of you guysever take that online quiz
531
00:22:22,577 --> 00:22:24,712
where you put in how many times
a year you visit your parents,
532
00:22:24,779 --> 00:22:26,247
and then it tells you
how much time you got
533
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:27,615
left with them before they die?
534
00:22:27,648 --> 00:22:29,050
- Hard no.
535
00:22:29,083 --> 00:22:30,585
- I used to calculate how much
closer I was to death
536
00:22:30,651 --> 00:22:31,786
working at a job
I didn't care about,
537
00:22:31,886 --> 00:22:33,621
so one day I just walked.
538
00:22:33,688 --> 00:22:35,923
- All those years in medical
school to work in a bike shop?
539
00:22:36,023 --> 00:22:37,558
My dad would have throttled me.
540
00:22:37,625 --> 00:22:39,760
- Well, never been happier.
541
00:22:39,794 --> 00:22:42,096
Don't get me wrong,
I love helping people.
542
00:22:42,129 --> 00:22:44,098
I just hated everything else.
543
00:22:44,198 --> 00:22:46,267
- Including Catmull?
544
00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:47,768
- You know, I thought
I was so lucky when he
545
00:22:47,835 --> 00:22:49,402
asked me to be
his research partner.
546
00:22:49,503 --> 00:22:50,905
It didn't take long
to realize he didn't
547
00:22:50,972 --> 00:22:52,773
care much about the science.
548
00:22:52,874 --> 00:22:55,076
Has he been arrested?
549
00:22:55,176 --> 00:22:56,911
- Why do you ask?
550
00:22:56,978 --> 00:22:58,346
- Dude's a druggie.
551
00:22:58,445 --> 00:23:00,413
I caught him swiping pills
from our inventory.
552
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,382
And I reported him to my
supervisor at Serolyte,
553
00:23:02,415 --> 00:23:03,918
and she said they'd
handle it internally.
554
00:23:03,985 --> 00:23:05,753
- But they never did.
- I don't know.
555
00:23:05,853 --> 00:23:07,288
But there's definitely
this mentality over there
556
00:23:07,355 --> 00:23:09,523
that nothing can stop
the momentum, you know?
557
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:11,692
- You ever see him act
inappropriate with a patient?
558
00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:13,393
- You mean, like, sexually?
559
00:23:14,729 --> 00:23:16,964
No, but I wouldn't put
anything past that guy.
560
00:23:17,064 --> 00:23:18,633
A shrink with no empathy?
561
00:23:18,733 --> 00:23:20,034
That's wild.
562
00:23:20,134 --> 00:23:21,535
One time I asked him why
he got into psychedelics.
563
00:23:21,602 --> 00:23:23,271
You know what he said?
- Huh?
564
00:23:23,304 --> 00:23:25,438
- "It's where the money's at."
565
00:23:25,506 --> 00:23:27,440
- Judd Flannery was
a fresh graduate who
566
00:23:27,541 --> 00:23:29,409
was incompetent and incapable.
567
00:23:29,442 --> 00:23:31,312
That's why I ended
the relationship.
568
00:23:31,379 --> 00:23:33,581
Look, for all I know,
he stole the meds.
569
00:23:33,614 --> 00:23:35,415
- You think we're on the hunt
for some pills
570
00:23:35,516 --> 00:23:37,184
that went missing
two years ago?
571
00:23:37,218 --> 00:23:38,619
We're way beyond
that now, Jonah.
572
00:23:38,719 --> 00:23:40,288
- Nah, this is about
what you did to April.
573
00:23:40,388 --> 00:23:42,223
What are you talking about?
574
00:23:42,290 --> 00:23:43,824
- Get her vulnerable
and compliant,
575
00:23:43,925 --> 00:23:47,128
assault her, and convince her
it was a hallucination.
576
00:23:47,194 --> 00:23:48,996
- What are you saying, that I--
- That you raped your client?
577
00:23:49,096 --> 00:23:50,932
Yeah, that's what we're saying.
- Absolutely not.
578
00:23:51,032 --> 00:23:53,367
- The only question is,
was it a tag-team situation
579
00:23:53,466 --> 00:23:55,536
with you and your partner?
Or was it all his idea?
580
00:23:58,438 --> 00:24:00,207
- I leave the session
sometimes.
581
00:24:01,575 --> 00:24:04,111
I know I'm not supposed to.
582
00:24:04,211 --> 00:24:06,180
Austin--
583
00:24:06,247 --> 00:24:07,581
Austin encouraged me
to take breaks.
584
00:24:07,615 --> 00:24:08,849
- Sure, sure, sure, sure.
585
00:24:08,883 --> 00:24:10,151
It's always
the other guy, isn't it?
586
00:24:10,251 --> 00:24:11,752
- I can prove it.
587
00:24:11,819 --> 00:24:14,422
I have videos,
everything we sent to Serolyte.
588
00:24:14,454 --> 00:24:16,924
I've got copies.
589
00:24:16,958 --> 00:24:18,125
- Have you watched them?
590
00:24:20,895 --> 00:24:24,497
Because you had a feeling
you knew what was on them,
591
00:24:24,565 --> 00:24:25,465
didn't you?
592
00:24:33,441 --> 00:24:35,676
- Let it go.- No.
593
00:24:35,710 --> 00:24:37,511
- Just relax.- No, don't touch me.
594
00:24:37,611 --> 00:24:39,914
- Shh.- No, no, no.
595
00:24:40,014 --> 00:24:43,684
I don't want...
596
00:24:45,786 --> 00:24:47,188
- April, you need this.
597
00:24:47,254 --> 00:24:48,189
- No.
598
00:24:48,289 --> 00:24:49,290
Please don't.
599
00:24:49,390 --> 00:24:51,559
I--I can't breathe.
600
00:24:51,659 --> 00:24:54,128
I can't breathe. No.
601
00:24:54,228 --> 00:24:56,197
Please, no, I don't want it!
602
00:24:56,297 --> 00:24:57,565
Please, stop!
603
00:24:57,598 --> 00:24:59,433
- Can you openyour thighs for me?
604
00:24:59,499 --> 00:25:01,502
- No. Stop!
605
00:25:01,535 --> 00:25:03,804
- Okay, that's enough.
606
00:25:03,904 --> 00:25:06,474
- There might not be enough
there to prove rape,
607
00:25:06,574 --> 00:25:09,543
but we absolutely have him
on sexual assault.
608
00:25:09,643 --> 00:25:11,545
We're still going
through all the videos,
609
00:25:11,579 --> 00:25:14,382
but Liv, we've already
found two other women
610
00:25:14,415 --> 00:25:17,318
Severson did this to.
611
00:25:17,351 --> 00:25:19,020
- Get him.
612
00:25:20,688 --> 00:25:23,991
- Three crisis calls this
morning, all before 10:00 a.m.?
613
00:25:24,025 --> 00:25:26,160
I think I deserve this.
- Dr. Severson.
614
00:25:26,227 --> 00:25:27,094
- Whoa.
- Detectives,
615
00:25:27,194 --> 00:25:28,529
this isn't the best time.
616
00:25:28,562 --> 00:25:30,398
- Is it ever? Get up!
617
00:25:30,431 --> 00:25:31,799
- What on Earth are you doing?
618
00:25:31,899 --> 00:25:33,334
- Arresting you, Doc.
- What?
619
00:25:33,401 --> 00:25:34,668
- Here, enjoy that.
620
00:25:34,735 --> 00:25:36,037
- You have the right
to remain silent.
621
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:37,805
Anything you say can and will
be used against you.
622
00:25:41,776 --> 00:25:43,544
- So I'm gonna start
with the obvious question,
623
00:25:44,612 --> 00:25:47,648
which is, did you forget
that you were being recorded?
624
00:25:47,715 --> 00:25:50,484
Or--or did you just not care?
625
00:25:53,154 --> 00:25:56,757
Captain, I can see
how this might seem strange
626
00:25:56,857 --> 00:25:58,527
if you're not versed
in this therapy.
627
00:25:58,592 --> 00:25:59,994
- Mm-hmm.
628
00:26:00,061 --> 00:26:01,762
- But that's what
this therapy looks like.
629
00:26:01,796 --> 00:26:03,164
- You assaulted her.
630
00:26:03,264 --> 00:26:04,999
- I comforted her.
631
00:26:05,099 --> 00:26:06,934
A person who's
taken protryptamine
632
00:26:07,001 --> 00:26:08,202
needs reassurance.
633
00:26:08,302 --> 00:26:10,271
They need someone there
to hold them together,
634
00:26:10,337 --> 00:26:12,406
both mentally and physically.
635
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,607
- I have to stop you
for a second
636
00:26:13,674 --> 00:26:16,077
because you can't
just sit there
637
00:26:16,177 --> 00:26:21,282
and pretend that we didn't see
clearly what is on this video.
638
00:26:21,315 --> 00:26:22,616
- You don't have the context.
639
00:26:22,683 --> 00:26:24,519
Are my methods unorthodox?
640
00:26:24,585 --> 00:26:26,187
Absolutely.
641
00:26:26,253 --> 00:26:29,156
But the use of touch,
so long as it's non-sexual,
642
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:30,491
has been very effective.
643
00:26:30,591 --> 00:26:32,827
- You call that
there non-sexual?
644
00:26:32,893 --> 00:26:33,727
Yeah?
645
00:26:33,794 --> 00:26:35,229
Do you know what
that word means?
646
00:26:35,329 --> 00:26:38,567
- Nothing that has transpired
between my clients and myself
647
00:26:38,632 --> 00:26:40,201
has ever been sexual.
648
00:26:40,267 --> 00:26:42,236
- Mm-hmm.
- Well, not for me.
649
00:26:42,336 --> 00:26:46,240
I don't derive any benefit or
pleasure from these sessions.
650
00:26:46,340 --> 00:26:48,776
- Yeah, well, neither was she.
She was in tears!
651
00:26:48,843 --> 00:26:52,079
She said "no," "stop,"
multiple times!
652
00:26:52,146 --> 00:26:55,716
- And if I told a surgeon,
"no, don't sew up that incision
653
00:26:55,749 --> 00:26:57,418
you just made," would he stop?
654
00:26:57,485 --> 00:26:58,953
- I think I get it.
655
00:26:59,053 --> 00:27:00,821
So what you're saying
is that sometimes when
656
00:27:00,888 --> 00:27:03,657
a person is feeling
vulnerable, right,
657
00:27:03,757 --> 00:27:06,327
they just--they just
wanna be held.
658
00:27:06,427 --> 00:27:07,761
- Exactly.
659
00:27:07,828 --> 00:27:10,664
The level of this therapy
is so intense,
660
00:27:10,731 --> 00:27:13,134
you have to experience it
to understand.
661
00:27:15,369 --> 00:27:18,372
I think someone like you would
benefit from it, Captain.
662
00:27:21,809 --> 00:27:24,478
- Well, that is, uh,
so kind of you to think of me.
663
00:27:24,513 --> 00:27:26,847
Um,
664
00:27:26,881 --> 00:27:29,984
where was Dr. Catmull
during all of this?
665
00:27:30,050 --> 00:27:32,653
- Uh, I don't recall exactly.
He may have been on a break.
666
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,889
- The other two patients
that got your special,
667
00:27:34,955 --> 00:27:38,192
uh, hands-on care, where was
Dr. Catmull for those?
668
00:27:39,793 --> 00:27:41,262
- I would have to
check the videos.
669
00:27:41,328 --> 00:27:42,363
- He wasn't there.
670
00:27:42,463 --> 00:27:43,931
Every single time.
671
00:27:46,433 --> 00:27:50,237
Honestly,
you're real smart, Doctor.
672
00:27:50,304 --> 00:27:52,239
You're smarter than me.
673
00:27:52,306 --> 00:27:55,976
You're smarter than most people
who sit in that chair.
674
00:27:56,076 --> 00:27:57,678
I mean,
675
00:27:57,745 --> 00:27:59,113
creating your own
hunting ground
676
00:27:59,180 --> 00:28:02,249
and then hiding behind
a clinical trial,
677
00:28:02,316 --> 00:28:04,818
and then having your victims
sign up for it themselves.
678
00:28:04,885 --> 00:28:08,355
That is, uh--
that is brilliant.
679
00:28:08,422 --> 00:28:10,424
- Regular genius.
680
00:28:10,491 --> 00:28:12,561
- But you're no different
681
00:28:12,661 --> 00:28:15,496
than every other predator.
682
00:28:15,564 --> 00:28:16,864
You know that.
683
00:28:16,897 --> 00:28:20,301
And now everyone else
will, too,
684
00:28:20,401 --> 00:28:23,404
because we have it all
on video.
685
00:28:28,175 --> 00:28:30,277
- Captain Curry.
686
00:28:30,344 --> 00:28:33,080
Executive Officer.
Look at you, rising the ranks.
687
00:28:33,147 --> 00:28:34,815
- Thanks, Chief.
- Here for CompStat?
688
00:28:34,882 --> 00:28:36,150
- Yeah, my first one.
689
00:28:36,217 --> 00:28:37,484
- Better not be late.
690
00:28:37,586 --> 00:28:39,420
- Hey, I'll catch up with you.
691
00:28:39,486 --> 00:28:41,055
Griff.
692
00:28:41,121 --> 00:28:42,624
- Hey, Captain.
693
00:28:42,723 --> 00:28:44,458
Wow, you're all dressed up.
694
00:28:44,526 --> 00:28:45,893
- Yeah, well, CompStat meeting,
695
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,128
so I had to drag
this thing out.
696
00:28:48,162 --> 00:28:50,665
Little, uh, field trip
to the records room?
697
00:28:50,731 --> 00:28:52,032
- Uh, yeah.
698
00:28:52,099 --> 00:28:53,901
Yeah, Cap asked me
to pull some old case files.
699
00:28:53,968 --> 00:28:55,570
Thinks we might have
a repeat offender.
700
00:28:55,637 --> 00:28:56,870
- Hmm.
701
00:28:56,904 --> 00:28:58,205
I didn't hear
anything about that.
702
00:28:58,272 --> 00:28:59,574
- Yeah.
703
00:28:59,608 --> 00:29:00,675
Well, hey,
we miss you up there.
704
00:29:00,709 --> 00:29:01,842
I gotta go.
705
00:29:06,615 --> 00:29:09,517
- Hey, I just arraigned
Severson, and--
706
00:29:09,618 --> 00:29:10,751
you're not gonna believe this,
707
00:29:10,818 --> 00:29:11,819
but he pled
to the entire indictment.
708
00:29:11,885 --> 00:29:12,853
- You're kidding.
709
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,656
- The judge gave him 15 years.
710
00:29:14,755 --> 00:29:17,091
- For three rapes?
711
00:29:17,157 --> 00:29:18,792
- Look, Amanda,
I'm not upset about this,
712
00:29:18,859 --> 00:29:20,261
and you shouldn't be either.
713
00:29:20,327 --> 00:29:22,796
This case in no way
was gonna be a slam dunk.
714
00:29:22,896 --> 00:29:24,398
The video was inconclusive.
715
00:29:24,465 --> 00:29:27,201
Even if April and the other two
victims were ready to testify,
716
00:29:27,268 --> 00:29:29,837
they were in an experimental
treatment program.
717
00:29:29,937 --> 00:29:31,673
That was always gonna
be tricky with the jury.
718
00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:33,508
To be honest,
I'm surprised this lawyer
719
00:29:33,575 --> 00:29:34,808
didn't wanna go to trial.
720
00:29:34,875 --> 00:29:37,244
- Oh, my God,
he's protecting his study.
721
00:29:38,513 --> 00:29:40,014
- From what?
- Scrutiny.
722
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,250
Look, Severson is a creep.
723
00:29:43,284 --> 00:29:44,952
He's a predator.
724
00:29:45,052 --> 00:29:47,421
But he is a true believer
in his therapy.
725
00:29:47,488 --> 00:29:49,223
- He'll take the hit
so his company doesn't.
726
00:29:49,290 --> 00:29:50,958
- And Serolyte had
all the videos of Severson.
727
00:29:51,058 --> 00:29:52,761
They knew what he was doing.
728
00:29:52,826 --> 00:29:54,696
And they did nothing?
729
00:29:54,763 --> 00:29:56,864
- And it's despicable,
but unfortunately,
730
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:58,132
they don't have
a duty to report--
731
00:29:58,198 --> 00:29:59,300
- So they get off
on a technicality?
732
00:29:59,366 --> 00:30:00,769
Come on.
733
00:30:02,436 --> 00:30:04,305
- Don't--don't look at me
like that, all right?
734
00:30:04,371 --> 00:30:06,273
For once, I'd like to be able
to stay within my jurisdiction
735
00:30:06,373 --> 00:30:07,509
when it comes to you, Liv.
736
00:30:16,150 --> 00:30:19,987
We can't charge
Serolyte criminally.
737
00:30:20,054 --> 00:30:22,256
But we can try
to shut 'em down.
738
00:30:29,997 --> 00:30:32,232
- Sonny, gotta say,
shutting down
739
00:30:32,299 --> 00:30:35,537
an entire corporation
because of one bad apple
740
00:30:35,603 --> 00:30:37,037
doesn't sit well with me.
741
00:30:37,137 --> 00:30:38,540
Serolyte seems to be
getting some good results
742
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,040
out of this drug.
743
00:30:40,140 --> 00:30:41,609
- Well, I have no issue
with protryptamine,
744
00:30:41,710 --> 00:30:43,911
psychedelics in general, when
they're handled appropriately.
745
00:30:44,011 --> 00:30:46,480
But what I do have an issue
with is poor oversight
746
00:30:46,548 --> 00:30:49,617
and not paying attention when
a doctor assaults his patients.
747
00:30:49,684 --> 00:30:51,018
- And that man is
going to prison.
748
00:30:51,085 --> 00:30:53,722
- But that does nothing to
solve the underlying issue.
749
00:30:53,788 --> 00:30:55,790
Look, their complete
lack of oversight
750
00:30:55,856 --> 00:30:57,792
has created
the perfect conditions
751
00:30:57,891 --> 00:30:59,193
for this to happen again
with another doctor.
752
00:30:59,293 --> 00:31:01,261
- I'm not saying
we don't take a look.
753
00:31:01,328 --> 00:31:02,963
But shutting down
the company could
754
00:31:03,063 --> 00:31:04,398
shut down the entire
pursuit of this treatment.
755
00:31:04,431 --> 00:31:05,866
- But if you do nothing,
then patients
756
00:31:05,966 --> 00:31:07,134
are gonna stay vulnerable.
757
00:31:09,136 --> 00:31:11,972
Look, listen, how about this?
758
00:31:14,609 --> 00:31:16,910
Cross-designate me.
759
00:31:16,977 --> 00:31:19,179
Let me take it on.
760
00:31:26,887 --> 00:31:28,889
- She said both doctors would
be in the room at all times,
761
00:31:29,524 --> 00:31:31,593
for my protection and theirs.
762
00:31:31,693 --> 00:31:32,827
- And did Ms. Fuentes
have you sign
763
00:31:32,861 --> 00:31:35,730
a consent form for your
sessions to be recorded?
764
00:31:35,797 --> 00:31:37,331
- I did.
765
00:31:37,431 --> 00:31:40,033
They said it was for the study,
and no one else would see them.
766
00:31:40,134 --> 00:31:42,136
- And I'm assuming
that you did not consent
767
00:31:42,202 --> 00:31:44,839
to either doctor
lying under a blanket with you
768
00:31:44,938 --> 00:31:46,574
and touching your body.
769
00:31:46,674 --> 00:31:48,610
- No, absolutely not.
770
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:51,445
- And did Ms. Fuentes
or anyone else
771
00:31:51,513 --> 00:31:54,148
from Serolyte Pharmaceuticals
ever reach out to you
772
00:31:54,248 --> 00:31:56,684
about what was on your
recorded video sessions?
773
00:31:56,818 --> 00:31:58,018
- No.
774
00:31:58,118 --> 00:31:59,721
- Even after Dr. Severson
was arrested
775
00:31:59,788 --> 00:32:01,288
for sexually assaulting you?
776
00:32:01,388 --> 00:32:02,489
- Not a word.
777
00:32:02,557 --> 00:32:03,858
- Thank you, Ms. Deieso.
778
00:32:03,957 --> 00:32:05,159
No further questions,
Your Honor.
779
00:32:05,225 --> 00:32:06,895
- Ms. Rettstadt, your witness.
780
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,163
- Ms. Deieso,
781
00:32:09,229 --> 00:32:11,965
what you endured
at the hands of Dr. Severson
782
00:32:12,032 --> 00:32:13,434
was reprehensible.
783
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:14,903
And I don't wanna put you
through a long list
784
00:32:14,968 --> 00:32:16,370
of questions, so I'll be quick,
all right?
785
00:32:16,437 --> 00:32:17,639
- Okay.
786
00:32:17,739 --> 00:32:19,707
- I really just have one.
787
00:32:19,774 --> 00:32:21,576
Did this therapy help you?
788
00:32:24,077 --> 00:32:26,380
- I don't know how--
789
00:32:26,447 --> 00:32:29,751
I was assaulted.
790
00:32:29,784 --> 00:32:30,685
Raped.
791
00:32:30,752 --> 00:32:32,520
- I know.
792
00:32:32,620 --> 00:32:34,254
But that's not what I'm asking.
793
00:32:34,288 --> 00:32:36,691
You had been treated for PTSD.
794
00:32:36,724 --> 00:32:38,392
Is that still your diagnosis?
795
00:32:38,425 --> 00:32:40,227
- He's a monster.
- I don't disagree.
796
00:32:40,260 --> 00:32:41,495
He is.
797
00:32:41,563 --> 00:32:45,032
And according to your
post-clinical trial follow-up,
798
00:32:45,165 --> 00:32:49,102
your PTSD is, medically
speaking, no longer present.
799
00:32:49,169 --> 00:32:50,638
So I'll ask again.
800
00:32:50,738 --> 00:32:53,407
Did it help you?
801
00:32:59,379 --> 00:33:04,485
- When I wake up at night,
I feel like I'm being choked.
802
00:33:04,586 --> 00:33:06,053
I feel hands on me.
803
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:10,023
Feel him on top of me
over a year later.
804
00:33:10,057 --> 00:33:11,926
I think about
what would have happened
805
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,460
if Dr. Severson
hadn't done this to me,
806
00:33:13,528 --> 00:33:15,663
what that life would have
been like.
807
00:33:15,763 --> 00:33:18,867
I'll never know.
808
00:33:18,933 --> 00:33:22,871
I just don't want what happened
to me to happen to anyone else.
809
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:34,983
- Ms. Fuentes, your company
has safeguards in place
810
00:33:35,048 --> 00:33:36,784
to prevent sexual abuse,
correct?
811
00:33:36,885 --> 00:33:38,051
- Yes, we do.
812
00:33:38,151 --> 00:33:40,555
- For example,
you require two therapists
813
00:33:40,622 --> 00:33:43,791
to be present for the entire
duration of every session.
814
00:33:43,858 --> 00:33:45,025
- Correct.
815
00:33:45,125 --> 00:33:45,994
- And you also require
that each session
816
00:33:46,059 --> 00:33:47,427
be recorded on video.
817
00:33:47,461 --> 00:33:48,830
- Yes.
818
00:33:48,863 --> 00:33:52,132
- But that didn't really stop
Dr. Severson, though, did it?
819
00:33:52,199 --> 00:33:55,570
- We were horrified
by his criminal actions.
820
00:33:55,637 --> 00:33:58,171
But to say that
one bad actor is indicative
821
00:33:58,238 --> 00:34:00,842
of our entire company is false.
822
00:34:00,875 --> 00:34:02,877
- Right, because you know
for certain that
823
00:34:02,944 --> 00:34:04,746
there was only one bad actor.
824
00:34:04,879 --> 00:34:06,280
You got the videos, right?
825
00:34:06,346 --> 00:34:08,215
So if anything inappropriate
had happened,
826
00:34:08,248 --> 00:34:09,784
well, you would have seen that.
827
00:34:12,654 --> 00:34:16,758
You do record every session,
don't you, Dr. Fuentes?
828
00:34:16,824 --> 00:34:18,026
- Yes.
829
00:34:18,091 --> 00:34:20,028
- And have you ever
seen a therapist
830
00:34:20,093 --> 00:34:21,763
leave a session when
they weren't supposed to?
831
00:34:21,796 --> 00:34:23,196
- I never saw that.
832
00:34:23,230 --> 00:34:24,766
- No? In all those videos?
833
00:34:24,799 --> 00:34:26,300
That's astonishing.
834
00:34:26,366 --> 00:34:28,435
I mean, how many hours
would you say there are?
835
00:34:28,503 --> 00:34:30,470
There's gotta be thousands.
- Yes.
836
00:34:30,538 --> 00:34:32,507
- And approximately how many
hours of those sessions
837
00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:33,608
did you watch?
838
00:34:35,342 --> 00:34:37,612
- I haven't had an opportunity
to review.
839
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:39,313
- You never watch the videos
840
00:34:39,413 --> 00:34:41,148
that you require
for the purpose
841
00:34:41,214 --> 00:34:42,650
of protecting your patients?
842
00:34:42,717 --> 00:34:44,819
- Me, personally? No.
843
00:34:44,919 --> 00:34:46,955
- Okay, not personally,
but who does?
844
00:34:46,988 --> 00:34:48,690
- You have to understand.
845
00:34:48,723 --> 00:34:50,758
We keep the videos as records.
846
00:34:50,825 --> 00:34:52,026
We simply don't have
the manpower
847
00:34:52,092 --> 00:34:53,528
to review that much footage.
848
00:34:53,561 --> 00:34:55,495
We're a research-focused
entity.
849
00:34:55,597 --> 00:34:57,130
- Whose primary purpose
should have been
850
00:34:57,197 --> 00:34:59,968
to keep your patients safe.
851
00:35:00,001 --> 00:35:02,036
And if you had done your job,
852
00:35:02,135 --> 00:35:04,471
then you would have seen
three women,
853
00:35:04,539 --> 00:35:06,874
the very people that you were
supposed to protect,
854
00:35:06,908 --> 00:35:08,375
be assaulted
by one of your doctors.
855
00:35:08,475 --> 00:35:09,844
Isn't that true?
856
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,247
- Yes.
857
00:35:14,314 --> 00:35:17,317
- Nothing further.
858
00:35:17,384 --> 00:35:19,186
- Ms. Fuentes,
you may step down.
859
00:35:23,758 --> 00:35:25,425
Both counsel, approach.
860
00:35:35,302 --> 00:35:37,872
Ms. Rettstadt, if things keep
going the way they're going,
861
00:35:37,905 --> 00:35:39,807
I'm inclined to rule in favor
862
00:35:39,874 --> 00:35:40,975
of the attorney general's
office.
863
00:35:41,009 --> 00:35:42,076
- Your Honor, I--
864
00:35:42,142 --> 00:35:43,978
- However, I also understand
865
00:35:44,045 --> 00:35:46,080
that Serolyte Pharmaceuticals
866
00:35:46,114 --> 00:35:49,483
is at the forefront of
a breakthrough medication
867
00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:52,053
that has the potential
to change the face
868
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,055
of mental health treatment,
869
00:35:54,088 --> 00:35:56,356
perhaps under
the right leadership--
870
00:35:56,423 --> 00:35:57,491
- Hold on, Your Honor.
871
00:35:57,558 --> 00:35:59,226
- The Serolyte board
would not object
872
00:35:59,259 --> 00:36:00,862
to removing Ms. Fuentes
from her position
873
00:36:00,895 --> 00:36:02,864
as CEO, Your Honor.
874
00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:05,967
- In that case, I'd be inclined
to deny the attorney general's
875
00:36:06,067 --> 00:36:07,602
application to shut them down.
876
00:36:07,669 --> 00:36:09,704
- Your Honor,
respectfully, I disagree.
877
00:36:09,804 --> 00:36:11,706
Three women have been
victimized on Serolyte's watch.
878
00:36:11,773 --> 00:36:14,408
- Victimized by Dr. Severson,
who's out of the picture.
879
00:36:14,474 --> 00:36:17,411
- Did SVU find
any other instances
880
00:36:17,477 --> 00:36:19,547
of therapists abusing patients?
881
00:36:19,647 --> 00:36:20,548
- No, they did not.
882
00:36:20,648 --> 00:36:22,750
But the potential
for abuse is there.
883
00:36:22,850 --> 00:36:25,920
And unless we shut them down
until real changes are made,
884
00:36:25,987 --> 00:36:27,121
it'll stay there.
885
00:36:27,187 --> 00:36:29,256
- I admire your passion,
Mr. Carisi,
886
00:36:29,289 --> 00:36:31,859
but I don't think
you've made your case.
887
00:36:31,926 --> 00:36:33,828
You're welcome
to take an appeal.
888
00:36:33,895 --> 00:36:34,762
Step back.
889
00:36:46,007 --> 00:36:48,176
- Well, you went down
swinging, Sonny.
890
00:36:48,208 --> 00:36:49,610
I'll give you that.
891
00:36:49,677 --> 00:36:52,245
- Yeah, well,
thanks for a spot on the team.
892
00:36:52,312 --> 00:36:54,749
- Any time.
- Take care.
893
00:36:54,816 --> 00:36:57,719
Well, you warned me that we
were punching above our weight.
894
00:36:57,819 --> 00:36:59,286
- Yeah, I did.
895
00:36:59,386 --> 00:37:02,690
- So you're not gonna give me
the "I told you so" speech?
896
00:37:06,426 --> 00:37:11,065
- When I was a kid,
my mom had an abortion.
897
00:37:11,132 --> 00:37:12,432
Nearly killed
her Catholic heart,
898
00:37:12,499 --> 00:37:13,534
but the baby would
have been born
899
00:37:13,601 --> 00:37:15,368
with all kinds of problems.
900
00:37:15,435 --> 00:37:18,840
All this information came out
about this antidepressant
901
00:37:18,873 --> 00:37:20,908
that she was using off and on.
902
00:37:21,008 --> 00:37:23,745
And I remember this fancy
lawyer, he came to our house,
903
00:37:23,778 --> 00:37:27,447
and he wanted her to join
a class-action lawsuit.
904
00:37:27,548 --> 00:37:29,784
He told us that
hundreds of babies
905
00:37:29,851 --> 00:37:32,854
had been born with birth
defects because of that drug.
906
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,589
- What did she do?
907
00:37:34,622 --> 00:37:37,324
- The class action
was denied certification.
908
00:37:37,424 --> 00:37:39,127
Case never went to trial.
909
00:37:39,227 --> 00:37:41,229
My mom, she--she
couldn't afford to file
910
00:37:41,328 --> 00:37:44,532
an individual claim, so--
911
00:37:44,665 --> 00:37:46,399
so that was that.
912
00:37:49,604 --> 00:37:53,273
- Carisi,
Severson is behind bars.
913
00:37:53,340 --> 00:37:57,211
Removing Fuentes is definitely
gonna shake things up.
914
00:37:57,245 --> 00:38:00,047
You didn't really
lose this case today.
915
00:38:01,281 --> 00:38:03,651
- Look at you
with the pep talk.
916
00:38:03,684 --> 00:38:06,386
Usually I'm the one telling you
that we did all we could.
917
00:38:06,453 --> 00:38:08,556
- Well, people change.
918
00:38:19,033 --> 00:38:20,034
- What's this?
919
00:38:20,067 --> 00:38:22,970
- A few files that you missed.
920
00:38:23,037 --> 00:38:24,505
This one was a killer.
921
00:38:24,572 --> 00:38:27,374
So the witness turned out
to be a fabulist,
922
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,309
just makes up a whole bunch
of details,
923
00:38:29,376 --> 00:38:32,213
and then--and then the whole
case fell apart at trial.
924
00:38:32,246 --> 00:38:33,748
- Captain, I can explain
what's going--
925
00:38:33,815 --> 00:38:36,449
- I don't know why you're
pulling my old cases.
926
00:38:36,517 --> 00:38:39,452
I suspect it's because
somebody told you to.
927
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,454
So you go ahead, Griff.
928
00:38:41,556 --> 00:38:44,525
You look into anything
you want.
929
00:38:44,592 --> 00:38:47,261
Because I don't
have any secrets.
930
00:38:47,295 --> 00:38:49,197
And whatever mistakes
I've made--and I'm sure
931
00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:52,700
there have been a ton--
932
00:38:52,767 --> 00:38:54,467
I stand by.
933
00:38:56,604 --> 00:38:57,605
- Wait.
934
00:38:59,339 --> 00:39:00,775
Look at this.
935
00:39:00,808 --> 00:39:02,810
- What is that?
936
00:39:02,877 --> 00:39:07,315
- It's from a shooting in a bar
in the Upper West Side in 2001.
937
00:39:07,347 --> 00:39:08,516
Look at it.
938
00:39:08,549 --> 00:39:11,451
Involving
a Lieutenant Jimmy Griffin.
939
00:39:15,189 --> 00:39:17,225
And Detective Kathryn Tynan.
940
00:39:19,527 --> 00:39:22,362
Yeah, you're right,
I was tasked into looking
941
00:39:22,395 --> 00:39:25,365
into your old cases, okay?
942
00:39:25,465 --> 00:39:28,936
And I used that as cover
to dig that up.
943
00:39:34,175 --> 00:39:36,510
- What are you planning
on doing with this, Griff?
944
00:39:39,580 --> 00:39:42,382
- I'm gonna find out the truth.
945
00:39:42,449 --> 00:39:44,785
And I'm gonna give that
to the commissioner.
946
00:39:46,854 --> 00:39:50,791
I--I don't care
what happens to me.
947
00:39:50,858 --> 00:39:55,363
I don't care what happens
to my dad's legacy after this.
948
00:39:55,395 --> 00:39:58,165
Legacy--like, what the hell
does that even mean?
949
00:40:01,569 --> 00:40:03,470
Tynan--I mean, you know this.
950
00:40:03,537 --> 00:40:05,673
Tynan--she's been there
for me...
951
00:40:07,407 --> 00:40:11,012
Through some very
hard times, okay?
952
00:40:13,848 --> 00:40:17,551
I--I cannot take
any of this anymore.
953
00:40:19,654 --> 00:40:22,556
I gotta know.
I gotta know the truth.
954
00:40:22,657 --> 00:40:25,593
- This is gonna
blow everything up.
955
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:33,801
Are you ready for that?
956
00:40:38,339 --> 00:40:39,540
- No.
957
00:40:42,810 --> 00:40:44,879
Are you?
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