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A child is a thing to be loved.

A child is the manifestations of both parents,

and both parents see themselves in the child.

The child is part of them.

He is their flesh and blood.

And for good many years,

he is a reflection of their personality.

So when he grows up, one day he's going to assert his own personality,

which might very well differ from the personalities

and outlooks of his parents.

Immediately, his parents feel very upset.

You know, they don't see themselves in him any more.

And when these parents don't see themselves in him,

they feel they've lost him.

But really, he's become a human being in his own right.

Brian's troubled relationship with his parents

would affect him throughout his life.

His parents disapproved of his lifestyle.

They wanted Brian to have a proper job like his father.

At the age of just 19, he formed the Rolling Stones.

They were the first of their kind

and drove people crazy with their long hair

and their contempt for convention and authority.

Let's introduce you Stone by Stone to the Rolling Stones.

Hello, I'm Mick Jagger.

Charlie Watts.

Brian Jones.

Bill Wyman.

On the question of hair, boys, you're pretty long in the hair.

What's the point of long hair these days?

I believe it's going out in England and it's going out in Australia.

You thought of anything different, like plaiting your hair or anything like this?

We've got a comedian here, I see.

I believe some of the Eastern States groups have even suggested that you're effeminate.

What have you got to say about this? Well, darling...

Well, we're not, you know.

I met Brian on a train as a schoolboy, aged 14.

I was surprised how open and friendly he was,

with a soft spoken middle class accent.

He said he was a train spotter and this was his favourite line -

The Great Western.

I remember the shock when hearing he had died tragically

just six years later.

He seemed at the time to have the world at his feet.

Thank you very much.

♪ Everybody wants somebody

♪ Everybody wants somebody

♪ Everybody needs somebody

♪ Everybody... ♪

I loved Mick and Keith.

And Mick always was in awe of Brian.

He absolutely loved him and I think he wanted to be Brian.

♪ Everybody wants somebody

♪ Everybody needs somebody... ♪

Cos he had all the girls and he had all the fan mail.

♪ Someone to love

♪ Someone to kiss... ♪

And Mick was trying really hard...

..to get girlfriends, I think, at that time.

♪ Someone to please

♪ Sometimes a squeeze... ♪

That was what I remember, that he was very impressed

with the way that Brian could just draw women to him.

♪ I need you, you, you... ♪

To Brian and Keith, it was like a brother relationship.

I saw Keith so fascinated with the way Brian played

and Brian showing him certain guitar things.

♪ I need you

♪ Yes, I do... ♪

And so they were very close.

They were all rowing together in this musical journey.

Ladies and gentlemen, it's all about to happen.

Let's hear it for the fantastic Rolling Stones!

♪ I'm all right

♪ I'm all right

♪ I'm all right

♪ I'm all right

♪ I'm all right

♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa

♪ Come on down

♪ Come on down

♪ Come on down... ♪

Brian then, was as popular and famous as Mick.

He was the heart and soul of the early Stones.

Yet most people today haven't even heard of him.

Brian answered most of the fan mail.

"Dear Doreen, many thanks for your letter

"and the great interest you've shown in the band.

"The band is really an amalgamation of two bands,

"the one being an R&B band I formed the year ago

"and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in south east London.

"We have, I might add,

"a habit of breaking audience attendance records."

In the early days, who got all the fan mail?

Brian.

The secretaries told me, "Well, we get about 100 letters.

"About 60 of them are for Brian,

"about 25 are for Mick, about ten for Charlie and Keith.

"And there's about the same for you, you know, and that's it, you know?

"But Brian gets all the fan mail."

He was brilliant, a brilliant musician.

He shocked everybody with the quality of his playing.

We all dedicated ourselves to the band

and Brian more so than anybody else,

because it was his band in the beginning.

So it meant the world to him more than it did to the rest of us.

Brian did everything. He wrote in the music papers.

He discussed things about the origins

of what is actually the blues and what is R&B.

There's all those letters and things. I've got copies of them.

When Brian advertised for a band,

he chose every single person to come into his band.

Let's recap on the Rolling Stones.

How did you all get together in the first place?

Actually, I answered an advert for a bass player, so...

But the rest of them got together individually in jazz clubs and formed a sort of a group.

How long ago was that? Two years.

And what were you doing when you answered the advertisement? Engineering, actually.

And we'll move on now to Brian.

How long have you been with the Rolling Stones? Are you one of the original members?

Yes, one of the original members.

What were you doing before you joined?

Well, just sort of bumming around, waiting for something to happen, really.

I had quite a few jobs and I was trying to get a band going,

but it was unsuccessful until I met up with Mick and Keith

and then that was a successful band.

Well, can you think back to your first engagement? Where was that?

Erm...

Marquee, Oxford Street, London.

And may I ask how much you got paid for that assignment?

20 quid, which was good, because six months later, we were still working for 10 quid.

♪ It's all right

♪ It's all right, children

♪ It's all right

♪ It's all right, children

♪ It's all right

♪ Come on around, baby

♪ Come on around, baby

♪ Come on around, baby

♪ Come on around, baby

♪ Come on around, baby... ♪

Mick used to stand in front of us.

Mick's got the maracas

and the audience just joining in and all that.

♪ Do you feel it, baby

♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah

♪ Do you feel it now

♪ My, my, my... ♪

It just got right into your body and it was like a tribal gathering.

♪ All right, all right, all right

♪ All right, all right, all right

♪ All right, all right, all right

♪ All right, all right, all right

♪ All right, all right, all right. ♪

The blues were everything to Brian.

He saw the Stones as promoting unknown black blues music.

"Dear Doreen, you raised the point in your letter about blues material.

"You must appreciate that blues are not easy to put over

"to the average club audience.

"They prefer something more in the twisting and jumping run.

"Once again, thank you for your interest

"in rhythm and blues and ourselves.

"It's wonderful music and deserves more recognition.

"Yours sincerely, Brian Jones for Rolling Stones."

Mick and Keith moved into the flat that Brian had.

And Brian and Keith slept in a double bed in the front room

and Mick slept in a single bed in the middle room.

And then there was a kitchen, which was a disaster.

And it was a very severe winter that year, '62,

and we used to give him shillings to put in the bloody meter

for the one little electric fire.

Brian used to say, "What's the point of getting out of bed

"when it's so fucking cold? We might as well stay in bed!"

So they used to get the guitars and stay in bed

and play guitar in bed.

Luckily, we had nothing else to do.

And since we were down to thieving potatoes out of supermarkets anyway

and selling beer bottles back to the off-licence,

there was nothing else to do except push on, you know, and just...

I mean, it had to get better, even if it didn't get fantastic.

You know, it was difficult.

But I mean, it was fun too, since we were determined

that we were going to stick together and play.

Despite everything,

Brian was always tried to keep his parents' approval.

"Dear Mum and Dad, many thanks for your letters

"and a thousand apologies for not writing back before now.

"Being leader and spokesman for the Stones

"means I'm always busy and tied up.

"If it's possible, I would like to see you next Monday or Tuesday.

"But I warn you, my hair is pretty long, although not untidy."

"Success seems to be on its way,

"though none of us are too happy about 'Come On'."

♪ Everything is wrong since me and my baby parted

♪ All day long I'm walking cos I couldn't get my car started

♪ Laid off from my job and... ♪

"This record does not do justice to the group."

Brian would invite his mother and father to the Stones concerts.

But they never came.

And Brian taught Keith to play with him.

You know, all the linking notes.

There they go.

See, one's going up and the other one's coming down.

When one's coming down, he's going up.

And it's so beautiful. It's so perfect what they're doing.

We did a song called Mona, which is a Bo Diddley song.

And you got... You'll have to excuse me, that's my bloody...

It's switched itself off now, thank goodness.

He learned to play along with the tremolo.

You know, the - doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.

And in time.

And so you'll hear it on Mona here.

♪ Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo.

See?

No-one was doing that then.

♪ Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo. ♪

He was a fucker, you know.

He would be really horrible sometimes.

He had one side of him, which I have to say was really,

I wouldn't say evil, but he was really cruel sometimes.

There's photos of us being photographed

and Brian's over the top of me dropping cigarette ash on my head.

But he used to do things like that.

And not only to me, but to everybody.

He always had to prove himself. He was embarrassed about his size.

And if he didn't get his way,

he kind of used to get very aggressive

and then he'd be all apologetic and, "Sorry, man, I didn't mean it."

He'd stubbed that cigarette out on the back of your hand in the car...

..and you'd always forgive him because he was such a nice, sweet guy.

Brian had immense opposition from his father.

His dad didn't like him trying to be a musician.

They just thought, get a proper job. You know, the same old thing.

Up to a certain point,

Brian was a perfectly normal, conventional boy,

who was well behaved and was well liked.

Liked, I suppose, because he was well behaved.

He did his studies and he was quite a model schoolboy.

And then there came this peculiar change in his early teens,

at the time, I suppose, he began to become a man,

where he began to get some resentment of authority.

It was a rebellion against parental authority

and it was certainly a rebellion against the school authority.

He often used to say, why should he do something he was told

just because the person who was telling him was older?

From being an A grade student, Brian rebelled.

He failed in his studies and put all his energy into music

and picking up girls.

He played occasionally clarinet in the school orchestra,

but Brian was not really interested in anything else at the school.

Not in athletics. Not in any sports.

Not in the cadet force,

not in debating societies or anything like that.

He kept himself to himself quite a bit at school, I would say.

In the beginning of the '60s, it was one society,

just this mono culture, and it was our generation who went beyond that.

It's a level of sort of middle class tightness,

which you don't possibly see so much any more.

He had a pretty bad relationship with his parents,

who were very respectable, very straight, very posh.

But he used to say he just couldn't stand it.

The problem with Brian was that he came from a very, very bourgeois family...

..who saw themselves as better than the neighbours

and better than this and better than that.

All the time, his fanaticism for jazz music was coming to the fore.

It was a great disappointment to us and a source of considerable anxiety

when he became so wrapped up in his love of jazz music

that in spite of everything we could do or say,

he went off and did it.

♪ Wop-bop-a-loo-mop alop-bom-bom

♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti

♪ Tutti frutti, woo

♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti

♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti

♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti

♪ Awop-bop-a-loo-mop alop-bom-bom... ♪

♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti

♪ Tutti frutti, woo

♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti

♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti

♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti... ♪

Frustrated by his parents' disapproval,

Brian adopted Val's family and spent all his time playing blues music.

Val Corbett, yes, I knew her very well.

She was rather stylish and I thought she was rather nice.

Brian was quite besotted with her

and she, of course, was besotted with him.

They were obviously made for each other.

The next thing we heard was that Val was pregnant

and she at first was terribly pleased

because she and Brian were going to leave Cheltenham,

go and live in London and get a place together.

And suddenly it dawned on her that wasn't going to happen.

On December the 22nd, 1960, Brian, aged 17, was kicked out of his home.

His father would later refer to this as

"my most drastic of all actions,

"which I shall never forget or cease to worry over."

Brian, now rejected by his parents,

moved in with Pat and her sister, Betty,

and was looked after by their parents.

This became a pattern of Brian's behaviour -

adopting other families, getting the daughters pregnant and then leaving.

This would happen at least five times.

Do you feel bitter at all?

I'm not actually bitter.

I feel quite sorry for Brian in a way,

because the kind of person he is,

you can never be happy, could never have true friends.

The only friends he has probably like him because of what he is.

I think if he was turned out on to the streets, nobody would want to know Brian.

He's not the kind of person that you take to

because he's so cynical.

He's got no feelings for anybody.

He just uses people for his own good.

And when he's finished, he throws them aside.

So I just feel sorry for him.

Brian's own life mirrored the rebellious spirit of the Stones

more than any other member.

Expelled from two schools.

Thrown out of his home.

A reckless personal life.

The blues was Brian's salvation.

♪ Oh, a child's coming

♪ He's going to be, going to be a rollin' stone

♪ He's going to be a rollin' stone... ♪

♪ Well, I feel

♪ Yes, I feel. ♪

Tell us something about him, Brian.

When we started playing together,

we started playing because we wanted to play rhythm and blues.

And Howlin' Wolf was one of our greatest idols.

And it's a great pleasure to finally be booked on this show tonight... Thanks to Howlin' Wolf.

So I think it's about time you shut up and we had Howlin' Wolf onstage.

I agree! Let's get him on. Howlin' Wolf!

It was a huge deal for those guys

because they'd just never really been on TV.

To be there are peak time in America,

that was an incredibly big deal.

♪ How many more years

♪ Have I got to let you dog me around?

♪ How many more years

♪ Have I got to let you dog me around? ♪

It's an incredible moment and there are still people

who put it as one of the greatest TV moments of the 1960s.

There's a great period in the first couple of years

where he seemed to have real insight.

And I'm talking about 1961, 1962.

♪ I'll try to show it if you're driving me back

♪ Your love for me has got to be real

♪ For you to know just how I feel

♪ Love for real and not fade away... ♪

So you worked out both the keys of open tunings of blues,

which is D slash E, which is open D or E,

which is Elmore James, and he was open G,

which is Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson.

♪ I'm going to tell you how it's going to be

♪ You're going to give your love to me

♪ Love to last more than one day... ♪

So what did we do for the fifth single?

We wanted to do a blues and everybody said,

"Don't do it because you'll destroy your career.

"No-one's ever done a blues record for a single in England."

You know, it's the worst thing.

Like they said to Ray Charles, "Don't do a country album because it will destroy you."

And it was the greatest thing he ever did.

Well, when we did Little Red Rooster...

..they said, you know, "You're going to kill yourself."

It came out on the Friday and on the Monday it was number one.

And Brian...

..controlled the whole band. I'll start again.

That's Brian with a slide.

See, he's doing it.

♪ I am the little red rooster... ♪

What is anybody else doing?

See, he's making the song.

♪ Everybody wants somebody

♪ Everybody needs somebody

♪ To love... ♪

So we were completely unique.

♪ Someone to kiss

♪ Oh, yeah

♪ Sometimes a miss

♪ Someone to please

♪ And sometimes a squeeze

♪ I need you, you, you

♪ I need you, you, you

♪ I need you... ♪

Bo Diddley couldn't believe how good we were.

♪ You, you, you

♪ Sometimes I feel like

♪ I get a little sad inside

♪ When my baby mistreats me

♪ I kind of get a little bit mad

♪ I need you... ♪

Rolling Stones! Rolling Stones! Rolling Stones!

♪ Oh, Carol, don't let him steal your heart away

♪ I'm going to learn to dance if it takes me all night and day

♪ Climb into my machine so we can groove on out

♪ I know some swinging little joint where we can jump and shout

♪ It's not too far back... ♪

There was rioting whenever the Stones played.

It was an outpouring of emotion against the authorities

and the traditional ways of doing things.

♪ A little cutie takes your hat and you can thank her ma'am... ♪

The way the Stones looked and dressed,

their hair and sexuality, was a whole new feeling.

Everyone fancied both Brian and Mick, both male and female.

They had this extraordinary androgynous quality.

♪ I'm going to learn to dance if it takes me all night and day... ♪

Brian met Linda Lawrence in 1962 and was adopted into her family.

I only saw him.

Yeah, and heard him.

The sound was what I was connecting to

and it was the harmonica and the slide guitar.

The first time I'd ever heard that kind of music

or felt that kind of feeling, it was just...

Just amazing.

Yeah, a whole feeling came over me that I'd never felt before.

♪ My days are pretty rough

♪ I want you to come back, come back, come back... ♪

It was instant.

Like, if you can call it love.

At the time, I wouldn't have known what that was, but now I do.

There was a point that came where he said,

"Can I come stay with you in Windsor with your parents?"

And I said, "Yeah."

Yeah, my parents loved him.

♪ Somebody stop this pain in my heart

♪ My, my, my, my, my, my

♪ Don't you know, one day

♪ My days are pretty rough

♪ Won't you love me?

♪ Love me. ♪

Most of the time it was all about music

and what records he's going to get.

And how he was going to play this and, you know...

And I would often put the records on over and over again

so that he could get the riffs and things.

Put it back on and have a listen and get the sound.

Seeing them get more and more popular

and more and more people coming to see them,

it was very exciting.

And we got very, very much in love.

He was loved by so many people. I didn't mind that.

I knew he loved me, so I didn't care.

And I knew we were young.

I just knew he loved me.

And I...

I felt like it's OK.

You know, he'll be back.

Brian's rivalry with Mick

for leadership of the Stones was growing.

Mick was the natural frontman

and Brian's insecurity played into this.

A visible friction grew up between them.

It began to dominate Brian's thinking.

Brian sent me to a modelling course for a little while in London

and I had taken the hairdressing course.

So I was really into hair and I was saying,

"Just grow your hair, don't cut it", you know.

And then when it did get quite long, I would trim it,

but not cut it, and make that shape.

He was like a gentleman.

He was all dressed in his white shirt and his jacket

and he was open doors.

It was that kind of... Very gentlemanly and gentle spoken.

He had a family, obviously.

And after a while, we drove down.

He wanted me to meet his parents.

And I know he didn't take many people down to meet his parents,

so I knew it was something special.

Did you feel that Brian cared a lot what his parents thought?

Oh, very much.

That was the whole thing, that he really did want them

to like what he was doing and, you know, be proud of him.

That was the whole point, I think, of us going there.

They wanted him to have a different career.

Something more like what his father had been doing - a good paying job.

But Brian kind of saw that and he kind of rebelled

and stepped out of it.

♪ I warned you baby from time to time

♪ You don't listen so pay me no mind

♪ About moving on

♪ Yeah, I'm moving on... ♪

We became the love generation

and the music was going to be the opening.

♪ Mister Engineer with your throttle in hand

♪ Take me back to that Southern land

♪ It's called moving

♪ Keep a rolling on

♪ You're flying too high

♪ For my old sky I'll move on. ♪

Dawn Molloy was the mother of Brian's fifth child.

I was 18.

I don't think I'd ever been in love before.

Every time I saw him, my heart skipped a beat.

And every time we saw me, he...

It was obvious that he wanted me.

Being a Catholic, I was very...

..inhibited.

He kind of got that out of me.

Not to be ashamed of my body and what I could do.

He was very, very sexy.

Yeah, the way he made love, he just was insatiable.

He made me feel...

..amazing.

He just made me feel...

..loved and special.

He was an amazing teacher

of how you should make love to a woman.

My parents, they had such a thing against...

..long-haired pop stars.

"Oh, this music's no good."

You know how it is. They didn't want any of it.

I never dreamed he'd come to our apartment.

There he was, on the doorstep.

"Good evening, Mrs Malloy."

And kissed her hand.

I mean, who does that?

It's just...

He had suave.

They liked him in the end.

Then my mum said, "Well, why don't you go down to your bedroom?

"Show Brian your bedroom."

♪ I'm going to tell you how it's going to be... ♪

And then he turned around and asked my parents

if he could take me on tour.

There's no way my dad is going to let me go.

But my dad said,

"Well, you know, as long as you're in a different room

"and you take care of her, it's OK."

The security wasn't around,

so you could just walk into a hotel and the girls were everywhere.

We went to our room and there's this girl there

and she's just sitting on the bed stark naked.

And then we went into the bathroom and there's another one.

And they're willing to give everything to them.

The police had no idea what hit them.

They were completely taken by surprise.

And it was terrifying.

I could see all their feet,

trampling on people in stiletto heels,

going for his arms and stuff.

I thought I was going to die.

It was like being in a tube train and you can't move.

I think Mick lost some hair.

They pulled... Literally pulled hair out of his head.

And I started to fall back and I fell back and Mick caught me.

Brian was looking for me, so he came around the corner

and saw me in the arms of Mick.

And then...

..Brian lost it.

"Keep your hands off my fucking girl! You're not having all my girlfriends!"

And all that kind of stuff.

Mick said, "Hey, I'm just holding her, you know. She just fell.

"Don't be a dick", you know?

And then Bill said, "Yeah, sometimes you get like that.

"You just have to leave him, he'll be fine."

Everybody went through their...

..star trip, you know.

And I think Brian was the only one that it changed

in a really deep way and probably not for the better.

It was very difficult for him, you know,

and not made any easier probably by the rest of us, you know,

because nobody had the time to look after somebody else.

If one of them isn't quite strong enough to deal with that situation

there's very little you can do to help him.

They were all a little wary, I think, of Brian

because he could be kind of moody.

But I think they put that on him

because he was supposed to be the leader

and he was no longer the leader.

Mick ruled the roost as far as what they were going to play

and the fact that he could write music and Brian couldn't.

I think there may have been a little jealousy there.

The fact that Mick and Keith were so close.

♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah

♪ I feel all right

♪ I feel all right, children... ♪

I think they were a little bit lost until Andrew came along.

And then Andrew kind of laid down the law

and said what he wanted to do, which was all very well.

And I thought that was a good idea to have a manager,

but I don't think Brian realised

that he would be handing everything over to him.

They had two different ideas of what they wanted to do.

Brian loved Howlin' Wolf and he wanted to stay as a blues group.

Andrew wanted them to be pop.

And I think Andrew and Brian just didn't hit it off.

And I think they just got into loggerheads.

Pop sold.

And obviously Andrew wanted to make money.

Thank you.

"Dear Melinda,

"Mick is the head of the group.

"At one time I was, but Mick took over.

"Don't ask me why. We just thought it would be better,

"as he is a good leader.

"Mick's birthday was on the 26th of July.

"I must rush, dear, honestly.

"Brian Jones."

I guess he was a little jealous of Mick because he was...

He had all the fame sort of thing.

But I don't think Brian realised that he had just as much too.

♪ Oh, Carol

♪ Don't let him steal your heart away

♪ I'm gonna learn to dance

♪ If it takes me all night and day

♪ Climb into my machine so we can groove on out... ♪

I think he would've liked to have been like Mick,

but then no-one's like Mick.

He has this charisma about him, he has amazing energy.

♪ A little cutie takes your hat and you can thank her, ma'am... ♪

I understand, Brian, because I think he was a lost person.

The success of the Stones was unbelievable.

But at a time when Brian could have celebrated the success

of the band he had founded, he was locked in conflict

with problems of his own creation.

The reason I found out about Linda was because I was told

to go to Torquay.

And then Stu told me, no, I couldn't go in and see him

because Linda was there with the baby.

I'm like, "What... Whose baby?", you know?

He said, "Well, Brian's."

♪ Well, you know my lovin' not fade away... ♪

Fame is a very strange thing.

And he wanted that as well.

And so that was the choice

he had to make.

And...

And he did.

I was at all the gigs.

The other girlfriends weren't allowed to come,

but I would always be at the gig.

The last one that I was at before I had Julian

was the Bo Diddley concert.

♪ Hey, Bo Diddley Hey, Bo Diddley

♪ Hey, Bo Diddley Hey, Bo Diddley

♪ Hey, Bo Diddley Hey, Bo Diddley

♪ Hey, Bo Diddley Hey, Bo Diddley

♪ I got a girl lived on a hill Hey, Bo Diddley... ♪

I bonded so well with Bo Diddley

and it was all fantastic.

They thought that Brian and I were getting married.

I thought we were getting married.

So it was a bit of a shock when Andrew Oldham came in and said,

"You can't have girlfriends and wives and, you know, it's..."

Because I knew that he loved me

and it was really hard to understand.

And I kept saying to myself, "Well, I have to let go

"and he'll be back."

And my dad, when he left, said,

"And there's no-one to look after him now."

Brian tormented himself because

he couldn't write songs

like Mick and Keith,

whose compositions had moved the band on to a whole new level.

Say hi to Brian.

Brian is one of the writers of most of the things, right?

No, I'm not, actually... Well, I'm not really a writer.

Ah, we do write a lot of stuff together -

it comes out under the Nanker Phelge pseudonym -

but Mick and Keith write more... many Thank you, Bill.

They're a little more industrious than we are.

In writing the songs that you write, do you sometimes think that you have

a special inspiration for the way that you...

Well, you'd better ask - about writing songs - better address those

questions to Mick and Keith because they'll tell me more about it.

But the ones we've written together are just things we've worked out

together in the studio, with somebody, you know, anyone

If you had to do it all over again, do you think

you'd go the same route again? As far as, you know, now that you

realise the demands that are put on you as a tremendous success?

I'd do it 100 times over, if I could. I love it.

Good. Thank you so much.

Let me swing over here and talk to Keith and to Mick.

These are the two that are supposed to be all the writing talent.

You fellows get together and do most of the writing, right?

Yeah, that's right. A lot of it. You know, some of it.

Do you have a particular inspiration for some of your songs that seem

to springboard them out?

Well, I don't know. Ask Keith.

I don't really think so, no.

It just happens, you know? It just happens.

Mick and Keith are wonderful songwriters.

I mean, they're just great.

Extraordinary.

I mean, I couldn't admire them more.

They tended to write more about sex.

So from '64, '84...

Like, for 20 years they were just turning them out.

I mean, they're classic rock and roll songs.

I'd rate it as extraordinary.

You see, the trouble was by 1963,

when Mick and Keith were writing the songs and all that,

Andrew was trying to promote Keith

and kind of dismiss Brian, get Brian out of the way.

And so what he did was he stopped me, Charlie and Brian

from doing any interviews with any of the newspapers, any interviews

at all, and gave them all to Mick and Keith.

And I think when we talked on the phone ages ago, you mentioned

that he did something with Jimi Hendrix.

Yes.

Yeah.

No-one knows that.

What do I say?

And I got Brian trying to write a song with that guy,

Michael Aldred, of Ready Steady Go!

But they're unique things that I just happened to get, and...

..they shouldn't be... Was the song good?

Yeah, they were putting a song together. It was OK, yeah.

But he never had the courage to record it.

Oh, fucking hell, turn it off!

No. It's difficult...

Oh, let's get...

Bleurgh!

He never played me a song he'd written, so it was quite hard

to know really if he wanted to do songs with us that he'd written.

I think he did, but he was very shy and all that, I think he found it

rather hard to lay it down to us, you know, that "This was a song and

"it went like this."

And we probably sort of didn't even think - because he didn't do it,

we didn't try and bring it out of him, probably,

which was...

..I suppose a bit insensitive of us.

Each member of the band had a had a court.

And the way the hierarchy worked was the Stones would always

have to go to the Beatles' places.

So the Beatles would never go to their house.

You know, that was the order of things,

a very strict class system at work.

I think he liked drinking and I think he liked drugs

but they weren't very good for him.

I don't think they're good for anyone, but he didn't...

He wasn't strong enough, mentally or physically,

to take any of it.

And of course he did everything...

Brian was one of those people that did everything to excess.

And remember, no matter what anyone says...

..rock on.

♪ I can't get no satisfaction

♪ I can't get no satisfaction... ♪

The trouble with Brian was he wasn't very well a lot of the time.

So he was often ill.

We'd be on tour and Brian would get sick, and he'd be in

hospital for five days and we had to play without him.

Just the four of us, you know.

Bass, drum, guitar.

And you're playing all them songs that need more than one guitar,

and you've only got one guitar.

So I had to double-up on bass, the bass playing,

and help Keith out, you know,

and Keith had to play a bit more than he would normally play,

playing partly rhythm, partly lead.

It was tough, you know.

So he was very unreliable at times in the later period of his life.

You know, the last... maybe three years.

Brian used to get very paranoid about being made fun of.

You know, he always said, "They're talking about me and they're..."

You know, when we were waiting in a...

When we were staying over in a hotel or something.

The classic example that I had of that was at the hotel in New York

when Dylan was coming to visit him.

You know, he was very friendly with Dylan.

So Mick and Keith - Brian's room was next to mine,

so Mick and Keith came into my room.

They said, "Oh...", and they were very devilish.

And Keith goes over and grabs a water glass that I had,

and he puts it against the wall so he could listen in to Brian's room.

And Mick goes over to the house telephone, my phone in the room,

and calls Brian's room.

And then immediately he says, "Hello, Mr Jones.

"You have Mr Zimmerman for Mr Jones."

And he was imitating putting Dylan on the phone.

And then when he was on the phone, he says, "Oh, Brian, I think

"you're the best guy in the group," that kind of...

And Brian's like, "Shut up, you guys! I know you're..."

And that was the kind of stuff that was going on.

♪ Show me the train... ♪

Already there had been shit going on.

You know, Brian was in very bad shape.

He couldn't get into the States.

And they didn't know what to do, and this and that and the other,

you know, of just scrambling all the way along.

It wasn't as bad as it was going to get later.

Well, I read an interesting thing Keith said about this,

that they started making fun of Brian so as not to get mad at him.

Because it was a way...

But I mean, of course, for somebody who's paranoid,

this is just about the worst thing you can do.

But I mean that was Mick and Keith's, apparently,

attitude to this thing, you know?

Well, because, you know, I mean if anybody had really let

their feelings go, they would've Mm-hm.

And he would have killed them too. Mm-hm.

I mean, it was that bad.

I think Marianne sympathised with Brian.

And Marianne of course was not in much better shape because of drugs.

She knew him very well and had, you know, had an affair with him.

Marianne felt that she had become a real drag on Mick.

And there's a horrible conversation where she overhears Ahmet Ertegun

saying to Mick, "You've got to get rid of Marianne,

"you know, if the band is going to function.

"It's having a really negative effect."

And so in that sense I think she absolutely identified with Brian.

Anita Pallenberg was a massive influence on Brian.

She was credited with transforming both Brian and the Stones.

She was an incredibly interesting person, who'd done a lot,

and was on the make, in the way that he was.

And she craved new experiences, you know, in the way that he was.

But I think he was thinking of leaving the band.

I think he probably could have and probably should have left

the band for his own, you know, health and sanity.

But I think, by teaming up with Anita, he knew they'd be

a real phenomenon, which they were.

And that really launched his kind of last great...

Last great ride.

Oui, oui, je le comprends.

There was such sort of... erotic power to their pairing

and such glamour.

And also, you know, he wants to be glamorous.

He wanted to be seen as a main player in the Stones,

and she'd helped that happen.

She and Brian were, you know, like a little unit,

whispering, talking to each other, giggling, speaking in sort of

a code that, you know, intimate couples can have sometimes.

And I think they were doing a lot of acid and just hanging out.

She was staggeringly beautiful,

had extraordinary physical and sexual confidence.

You know, when she walked in a room, you know, guys' eyes popped out

and tongues rolled out, like in a cartoon.

The Rolling Stones, they were, as Marianne would put it,

were a bunch of yobs.

They were very talented,

but they weren't educated or sophisticated.

Marianne and Anita connected them with all the European intellectuals

and film-makers.

We were the right women for that time to enable whatever

had to happen to happen.

And probably the same is true of Brian and Anita

and Keith and Anita.

They seemed to be a proto-aristocracy.

Mick at one point said,

"Well, the only thing left is me and the Queen."

Brian and Anita would spend time at the vast Guinness estate

in Ireland.

This is Mick go-karting at Leslie Castle,

a massive Irish estate that has been in the Leslie family

for 1,000 years.

A whole new world opened up to them.

I think it was the great changing of the old order, wasn't it?

I loved the sort of mixture,

the juxtaposition then of the Stones and the Beatles

and the royals and the thing, you know?

It suddenly was all...

Everybody and anybody were part of the same thing.

It was excellent.

It was my sister Victoria's birthday, and that was a sort of

wonderful melting pot with the Kennedys and Princess Margaret

and the Beatles and the Stones and then all my relations.

Brian definitely came.

Brian was the most sort of sociable at that time.

He was much the most sort of gregarious.

So it was it was the informality, I think, of it that was part of

the whole thing of the '60s.

Never mind who was there, whether it was rock stars or royalty

or scrubbers from the East End.

It really didn't make any difference.

Brian's best friend at the time was Tara Browne.

He was the Guinness heir and owner of Dandie Fashions

on the King's Road.

The so-called Swinging London was actually a very small group

of people, and Brian and Tara were right at the centre.

Tara was immortalised in the Beatles song A Day in the Life

when he had a tragic car accident.

♪ He blew his mind out in a car

♪ He didn't notice that the lights had changed

♪ A crowd of people stood and stared... ♪

Brian was devastated by Tara's death,

the first of that intimate circle.

Brian would later date his girlfriend, Suki Poitier,

who was with Tara in the accident but miraculously survived.

And we all wore the Dandie Fashions look,

which was so much the spirit of the time.

Anita was pushing him to dress more outrageously.

He was the archetypal dandy,

more than anyone, you know, in '66, '67.

At that point you can see the power dynamics shift

within the band, where Keith is coming back to Brian again.

So for a period, yeah, he was back with Keith, because he was cool

and happening, and obviously at that time they did Ruby Tuesday.

He was doing all that stuff without asking anyone.

He'd pick up a flute or just anything that was handy

and just create something out of it which wasn't there originally.

And it embellished the song so much that it became the catch.

♪ Or in the darkest night

♪ No-one knows... ♪

♪ Do, doo! ♪ Can you hear him?

♪ She comes and goes... ♪

♪ Do, do, do... ♪

♪ Goodbye, Ruby... ♪

He just finds a flute,

and he finds a little thing he can play on it.

Brian's self-loathing came out in the way he treated other people.

He and Anita particularly were known for spiking people's drinks.

Anita would encourage him for that kind of outrageous behaviour.

They would just mock people who hadn't...

Who weren't turned on in the same way that they were.

So that was a thing - "We're the hip kids - we can make fun

"of other people."

For instance, Linda Lawrence came.

I think she was short of money for young Julian.

I think they were up in the flat, Brian and Anita,

and they just laughed at her and wouldn't let her come in.

So whilst he could still make things happen in the studio,

he still was holding some power even whilst he was this kind of liability

at the same time.

You know, he was pretty dominant in terms of the sounds.

You know, they needed to get a bit more exotic.

Paint It Black, he's embellished it again.

Bass pedals.

There's Brian.

♪ I see a line of cars and they're all painted black... ♪

Your head goes into, like...

You're suddenly in the Middle East

or Far East...

That made me realise that there was a very inventive guy there.

I mean, he was really a...

..bit of a genius.

The Volker Schlondorff film Mord und Totschlag was a big deal

for Anita and for Brian.

It was a starring role for Anita, with a really good director,

and it was really pretty like their own - Brian and Anita's -

relationship, where there was this constant provocation

and escalation of provocation.

Hau ab jetzt.

When Keith went with Anita, Brian decided to start going out

with Linda Keith, who used to be Keith's girlfriend.

All their relationships were

always slightly incestuous.

Marianne, you know,

when she gave up with Mick, she went with Brian...

..and then she went with Keith.

So she went with three of them.

Anita went with Brian, she went with Mick, she went with Keith.

It was all very mixed up, you know?

Girls would end up being with another member of the band.

Seeing the state of Brian,

his parents finally reached out to help him.

What I firmly believe was the turning point in Brian's life

was when he lost the only girl he ever really loved.

When his mother and I saw him for the first time for some months

after this happening, we were quite shocked by the changes

of his appearance, and in our opinion

he was never the same boy again.

He changed suddenly and alarmingly

from a bright, enthusiastic young man to a quiet and morose

and inward-looking young man.

Brian and Linda Keith's relationship was tempestuous and drug-fuelled,

with Brian recovering from Anita and Linda from Keith.

Linda ended up taking an overdose in Brian's flat, which she survived.

Brian wrote this to her...

"Dearest darling Linda, I'm presently very smashed.

"Please be with me.

"I'm so lonely by myself.

"I need you so badly and I love you so much.

"Please understand what fucked us up before,

"a terrible combination of events.

"Please let's start again.

"Please marry me. Please, please, please.

"All my love, Brian."

It was a painful year, you know?

'67 was a year of change for everybody.

I mean, '67 was the explosion of the drug culture.

The whole infamous Stones drug bust all followed in the wake of

News Of The World stories that prided themselves

in actually busting Mick Jagger and proclaiming him a drug user.

The problem was it wasn't Mick. It was Brian.

He was hanging in a nightclub called Blazing and boasting

about being a druggy hipster.

He actually told the reporter he didn't do LSD much these days

now that everybody had taken it up and, you know, he was doing

it before anybody else.

For Mick, Brian was the villain of the piece.

The only person who was really, really out of it on drugs was Brian.

This was like the last straw,

the straw that broke the camel's back with Brian.

And I think it brought up a lot of bad feelings that were already

there about Brian.

Mick didn't know he'd end up in prison.

It was just dreadful.

But it was very frightening, because you saw the sort of the power

of the state, the power of the status quo,

the whole thing coming down on them - for nothing.

Mick was very, very, very desperate and just in...

It was a horrible thing.

I don't think he ever thought this sort of thing

would ever happen to him in his life.

And I must say, to my shame, I wasn't very compassionate at all.

If you need to cry, you cry.

It was a real moment of truth and vulnerability.

Needless to say, he never, ever showed it again.

The phone rings and it's Brian.

And he said, "I'm not going... I'm not going to come tomorrow."

And I said... I said, "Huh? Why?"

And he said, "Because they are so mean to me."

And I said, "Who's so mean?"

He said, "Mick and Keith, they are making my life hell."

Naively, I said, "Well, what would the Rolling Stones be without you?"

And anyway, I'm thinking, "What the fuck do we do with four

"Rolling Stones if we really are looking at five Rolling Stones?"

And so then he stopped,

he listened and he stopped crying,

and he said, "It's just been a hard day."

And also, you don't know how much he's...

I think he was drinking a lot.

I convinced him to come the next day.

There was something kind of childlike about him,

because then he had dressed kind of like a wizard.

Then when they got onstage at two in the morning, he was...

I would say he was drunk because he looked it,

and he could play the maracas and he could play the slide...

..he could hardly play the guitar in the regular way.

He looked dreadful, really.

His big bags under his eyes.

I mean, really, bags under his eyes for a guy of 26.

He was just gone.

Well, he wouldn't turn up half the time.

When he did turn up, he was not in any condition

to do anything, had to baby him.

And it was very sad.

I saw him as another person with incredibly low self-esteem

who needed help not to be destroyed and ground underfoot.

And that's when I kind of realised what was going on

and how it was going to affect me.

That kind of ruthlessness, you know, the bit where they would pretend

to be recording Brian and not have him plugged in,

that was really terrible.

Both Marianne and Brian, they were victims of the Stones.

She realised she was no longer useful...

..and he was especially horrified to be ostracised from his band.

A rock group is sort of like a, you know, a primitive tribe.

People are often killed in tribes, psychically, if they're expelled.

And a rock group is sort of like that.

I mean, their whole lifeblood comes from that bond.

Once they're of no use, that is... oddly fatal.

Like, nobody wants to talk to them or deal with them.

They just go off into the woods and die.

I felt like he was very much the underdog.

He was lost and, you know, I just felt for him.

I felt that he had been...

..badly treated.

I remember he had a dog.

She was a spaniel.

Such a sweet dog.

She was maybe about five years old, and she looked about 20

because she'd eaten a cake with acid and she'd gone on a trip

that had lasted sort of months and months.

You know, sad things that happen.

Charlie phoned me up, phone went about three in the morning

and he just said, "Brian died."

I couldn't believe it, you know?

It was such a blow that, you know, you just don't accept it for weeks.

You can't really believe it's true.

And I mean, I don't...

I don't think we slept after that,

we just laid and talked and...

Just couldn't understand it.

I think he'd been doing what he always used to do,

and that was taken downers and doing heavy alcohol,

and fell asleep in the pool.

It was basically that simple.

He got much nicer to...

Just before he died, you know, the last few years of his life,

I felt even sorrier for him for what we did to him then.

We took his one thing away, which was being in a band.

It really knocked us back.

I mean, been with that cat for seven or eight years nonstop, you know?

To have him suddenly removed completely.

Although it was a shock when it actually happened,

nobody was really that surprised too.

There are people... I'm sure that everybody's got those things

about certain people everybody knows people that...

..you just have that feeling that they're not going to be...

they're not going to be 70 years old ever, you know?

Not everybody makes it.

I was just 20,

and we were all incredibly shocked by Brian's death.

It was the first drug-alcohol casualty of our generation.

We felt his death marked the end of the '60s, and the concert

in the park which we all went to was very much the end of the '60s

and a sort of mass funeral for everything that had gone before.

You just knew there was going to be a massive change,

and Brian's death somehow was an emblem for that.

I flew to London immediately from Munich when I heard about it.

I was there, and stayed with Anita and Keith in their house.

We were talking and sitting and hugging.

There was a mourning and sadness around all of them.

It was a very emotional thing, the way they organised

this farewell and goodbye, as if to say,

"Now you're still - or again - one of us."

And Mick was very upset.

I just want to say something that was written by Shelley,

and I think it goes with what happened to Brian.

Peace, peace! He is not dead, he does not sleep.

He has awakened from the dreams of life.

Brian was so sensitive, really,

because Brian was so sensitive to everything, you know what I mean?

I suppose there was a kind of feeling that I knew that Brian would...

If anyone was going to die, Brian was going to die.

I mean, I always knew that Brian wouldn't really live that long.

But he just... He lived his life very fast.

He was... He was kind of like a butterfly.

40 years after Brian died, a box of old letters addressed to Brian

were discovered in the attic of Linda Lawrence's family house.

In it was this letter from Brian's father.

"My dear Brian, we have had unhappy times

"and I have been a very poor and intolerant father in so many ways.

"You grew up in such a different way from that

"in which I expected you to.

"I was quite out of my depth.

"In my most drastic of all actions,

"which I shall never forget or cease to worry over,

"I felt it was the only way to save my home

"and bring you to terms with yourself.

"I don't suppose you will ever forgive me, but all I ask

"is just a little of that affection I think you once had for me.

"This is a very private and personal note.

"Don't trouble to reply.

"Love, Dad."

♪ I'll be a rollin' stone

♪ You gonna be a rollin' stone

♪ You gonna be a rollin' stone

♪ Oh, darn

♪ Sure 'nough, he gon'

♪ Oh, yeah

♪ Well, I feel

♪ Yes, I feel

♪ Feel that I could lay down, oh, time ain't long

♪ I'ma catch the first thing smokin' back

♪ Back down the road I'm goin'

♪ Back down the road I'm goin'

♪ Back down the road I'm goin'

♪ Oh, God, oh... ♪