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They say
that those who go to Rio
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do so because they are
attracted by the bright lights.
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It is the city of opportunity
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a chance to escape the poverty
and hardship of rural Brazil.
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Hope for a better life.
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But to make it in this city
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you need to have something
other than just hope.
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This is Carlos Henrique Raposo.
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But no one calls him by that name.
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He is known to all as Kaiser.
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Kaiser, the German word for emperor.
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Derived from the Roman ruler,
Julius Caesar.
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Kaiser, like Caesar, is a man
who does not rely on hope,
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and like the man who bore
his title before him
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this Kaiser also created an empire,
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a world where he was at the
centre, pulling the strings.
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At least, that's his version of it.
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There are many, many others.
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To understand Kaiser's story,
one thing needs to be made
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absolutely clear.
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Brazil loves football and
football loves Brazil.
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Brazil is an
inexhaustible factory of amazing talent.
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Over the years, Brazil has won.
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All there is to win.
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And we have done it in style.
Brazilian style.
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Brazilian football is
like an art-form.
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It's technically fantastic.
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The creativity and skill of
Brazilian players is indisputable.
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Brazil may
not have invented football,
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but we certainly added Ginga to it.
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Ginga, an indefinable,
almost mystical quality
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of movement and attitude
possessed by Brazilians.
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It is there in the way
we walk, talk, dance,
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and yes, in the way we play football.
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So, it naturally follows
that those who add Ginga
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to what is effectively
a national treasure
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are loved and worshiped by millions,
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and can get just about anything they want.
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The high life, 1980s and 1990s Rio
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was the realm of the superstar footballer.
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And in this city, superstar footballers
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play for one of Rio's
top four football clubs.
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But if a footballer ever
played for all top four clubs,
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well, he would be able to have it all.
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The first time I saw Kaiser,
he was crossing the street…
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With such swagger that I thought…
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"That guy must be one of the best
footballers in the world."
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Kaiser is one of the most
iconic characters in world football.
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Kaiser was cool, in
every sense of the word.
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It was his lingo and vernacular…
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The way he walked, the way he dressed.
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He pranced around in swimming
trunks flicking his long hair around.
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He had that kind of hair…
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And sunglasses.
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Those massive sunglasses.
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He would even rock a bum-bag which
is now completely dated.
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In my mind, he was a footballer.
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Now, a story
about a football player
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who was popular and looked
good in tight swimming trunks
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would be nothing special
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and it would be a relatively short tale.
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Kaiser's story is about
much, much more than that.
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I think he's the only
person on the planet
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who for 26 years
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played football without putting
on a pair of boots.
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I don't think he ever went on a pitch.
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He signed contracts with many clubs…
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But he didn't touch the ball. He didn't
even know the ball was round.
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He was a professional conman.
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I took part in this documentary
to tell the truth.
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In Brazil, footballers have
always been fawned over.
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People in the football world have
always been idolised and seen as special.
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That's why my nickname is Kaiser.
My real name is Carlos Henrique Raposo…
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Kaiser was given to me because other
players compared me to Beckenbauer.
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Kaiser was given to me because other
players compared me to Beckenbauer.
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Kaiser, the king of German football,
the Pele of German football.
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They, not me, thought the way
I played was similar to Beckenbauer.
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I didn't give myself the Kaiser mantle.
The Kaiser title.
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They made it up for me
because I had something.
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He was always chubby,
always chubby.
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Back then there was a beer called Kaiser.
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It was kind of a thick round bottle…
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And people would ask "Why Kaiser?"
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"It's because he looks like
the Kaiser bottle."
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Then the Kaiser nickname ended up sticking…
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That was the story.
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This is the story of
an anti-footballer.
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I want you to use that phrase.
Anti-footballer.
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I didn't play. I didn't score.
I didn't kick a ball.
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It's not the story of the star player,
of the guy who did everything.
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It's the story of an anti-footballer.
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He's been in loads of clubs. I think
Kaiser's been all over the world.
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Not just Brazil but the whole world.
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I'm sure of that.
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Kaiser was
here there and everywhere
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including Rio's top four clubs.
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He played for Flamengo...
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The biggest club in Brazil
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with over 40 million fans.
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The list of great players includes Zico,
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Romario, and Be be to.
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I met him in person
when he approached me...
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He introduced himself as a footballer,
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and said that he'd played for
several clubs in Europe.
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He wanted a chance to show
his value as a player.
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He played for Vasco.
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One of the most
iconic clubs in world football,
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named after the famous
Portuguese explorer.
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Sometimes he would
spend three months at one club
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four months at another, five
months somewhere else.
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In the same year he would
be at three or four clubs.
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I was at Fluminense twice.
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Flamengo's traditional rival.
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Their derby matches are among
the most intense in...
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South American football.
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He managed to train
with the Fluminense first team…
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But nobody managed to see him
train with the ball itself.
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I was at Botafogo two or three times.
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The last of Rio's big four.
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Botafogo has produced more
Brazilian internationals
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than any other club.
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He would come with newspapers,
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and ID cards of clubs he'd been at.
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He actually managed to get
into professional teams…
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That's the most incredible thing
about his whole story.
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As well as the big clubs...
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Kaiser also played for the
smaller Rio teams.
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I had three stints at
America FC, two at Bangu.
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But Kaiser's career
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really took off internationally.
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I spent three years at
Puebla having them on.
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It wasn't like El Paso.
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El Paso was horrible.
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At the time we didn't
have access to the information
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we have today in our globalized world
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with Google and the internet.
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So I'm watching the TV:
"The new signing, Kaiser."
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And everyone fell for it.
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"I can't believe he's at another club."
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He had some offer
from Arabia, from France or Japan.
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He would vanish, disappear.
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He had a photo of
Paris Saint-Germain.
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He'd trained at Paris Saint-Germain.
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Independiente in Argentina.
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He said he became world club champion…
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In a final against Barcelona.
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Then after about six months
Kaiser would come back.
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Kaiser's roster of clubs
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is a list that any average player
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would die for.
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But Kaiser was not your average player.
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Kaiser was crap at football.
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That's the conclusion we came to.
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He couldn't play for his life.
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He only had one problem.
The ball.
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He was good at everything but
the ball was his weakness.
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The ball wasn't his thing.
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Coconuts were.
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He was good with coconuts, not balls.
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In Brazil,
people who are not very good
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at football, won't even get
into a kick-about on a beach,
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let alone sign contracts
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with some of the biggest
clubs in the world.
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Yet despite his lack of talent...
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Kaiser managed to do just that.
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But how?
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He turned up on a day
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where the training sessions
was based around fitness.
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And he displayed an incredible vigour.
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What I had was physical fitness,
but it wasn't enough.
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You had to be skilful. Very skilful.
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We usually started
off with fitness,
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and finished training with the ball.
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He was wherever the ball wasn't.
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If the ball was on
the right, he'd be on the left.
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If the ball was on the left,
he'd be on the right.
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If the ball was in the middle, he'd be in defence.
The ball was in defence, he'd be in attack.
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We'd play piggy in the middle
with Kaiser as the piggy,
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and he'd have serious trouble.
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Kaiser would run from
one side to the other…
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And we'd just say "Get out Kaiser
or we'll end up killing you."
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Kaiser was dying. Sweating loads.
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He was wrecked before
training even started!
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I knew immediately that
he didn't possess
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all the qualities that
he claimed to have.
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He knew that he wasn't a footballer
and that he never wanted to play.
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It's like a doctor who's scared of blood,
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wanting to be a doctor.
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After the game I'd tell him:
"Kaiser you never touch the ball."
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He said "Ricardo, I have a
unique style of play."
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He was a cheeky bastard too.
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Clearly, Kaiser wasn't in it,
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for the footballing glory.
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So, what was his goal?
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I would sign a contract
then take the cash advance,
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so it didn't matter if
the salary came in or not.
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I'm not one of those players who
sees out his three-year contract.
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The idea was to get out
as quickly as possible.
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He was always faking something.
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His whole injury charade was amazing.
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After two sprints
he felt something...
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He put his hand on his leg,
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and he asked to come off.
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He was always faking.
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Injured ankle, injured thigh,
he'd snapped a tendon.
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There were no MRI scans
back then so I faked being injured.
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He would sign for a club and stay
with the physio for three months.
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Then he would get injured again.
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Centre-forwards have
to score or at least assist goals.
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But, it's easier to hide from the
game as a centre-forward.
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I think that's why he played there.
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If I had to symbolically kill my grandma
to not play, I would kill her.
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I would get a phone call saying my grandma
had died. I would do that not to play.
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I didn't want to play.
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We were in the dressing room
getting changed…
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And he put his hand in his bag and
there was a 'brrrrr'
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There was a cell phone noise.
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Then he takes out a big brick
thing that opens like this...
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"Hello."
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He was like "I'm just talking with
the people over in France..."
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"Sorting out my contract."
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He used to mix English with French.
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"'Tres bien, Tres bien. Et vous?"
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He would pretend he was talking
to the Barcelona President.
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"One moment. One moment please.
Tres bien, tres bien."
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So, when he leaves,
Nelson pulls it out...
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It's a toy cell phone.
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If you tell your friends any of this,
they won't believe it.
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Everywhere he went there would be somebody
to have a word with the coach,
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so he could have a chance to train.
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It was me who had a word with Carlos Alberto
Torres "Professor, let Kaiser train."
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Other people too. I think he always
had somebody who could help him out,
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but he knew he didn't have what it takes
to be a professional footballer.
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When they say: "Kaiser
wasn't a good player."
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Kaiser wasn't a good player because...
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They're comparing me to the players
I hung around with.
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If it was with today's
generation, I'd be a star player.
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You understand?
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The players Kaiser
claims he hung around with
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were not ordinary footballers.
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They are some of the
biggest stars Brazil
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has ever produced.
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Zico, Be be to, Junior, Romario.
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You'd have to be really
good to stand out
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amongst those guys.
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One man did just that.
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His name wasn't Kaiser, though.
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It was Renato Portaluppi,
a right-winger
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from Porto Alegre, southern Brazil.
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And because he was from the state
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famous for its cowboys.
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He was known to all as Renato Gaucho.
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I'd define
Renato Gaucho like this…
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Renato Gaucho was the perfect man.
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Renato had an
illustrious career in Brazil.
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He's one of the greatest forwards
in Brazilian football
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without a doubt.
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Renato was a top player.
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He was a player much like
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Cristiano Ronaldo...
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Messi, Neymar.
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He'd be there working
harder than everybody.
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He'd cover more distance than
anyone on the pitch.
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He played every game,
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and he always delivered.
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He has the strength of a Gaucho,
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and the Ginga of a Carioca.
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Renato made his name at Gremio,
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pretty much single-handedly taking them
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to the Copa Libertadores
and then the World Club Cup.
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Renato's rise at
Gremio was as a young heart-throb.
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He was almost like a soap opera
star in that early period.
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He'd date women and go to nightclubs
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he'd joke around. He was a real joker.
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Great for the group. I loved him.
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I had a real dislike for him.
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Stuck up stud.
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I have a deep dislike for stuck-up ladies'
men, for arrogant hot guys.
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They really piss me off.
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Renato was always a lad
in the good sense of the word.
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Relaxed, likeable, friendly, affable.
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But he was a ladies' man.
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I send this flower to my love.
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I'll send one to my other love Carla.
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For Maria. Oh God.
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For my love, Carl in ha.
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Monica, you're amazing.
I'd never forget you.
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Oh God.
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We did an interview on the beach,
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and he wore tiny, weeny
little yellow speedos.
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He had a huge speedo collection…
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00:21:33,875 --> 00:21:37,230
Because he lived in Ipanema and he
went to the beach every day.
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After chatting for half an hour,
we became friends.
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You always seem to be dating
a different beautiful woman
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are you fickle?
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They can choose to accept me how I am.
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One time in the middle of the
famous Rio Sul shopping mall
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I saw a small crowd gathering with
guys passing by me saying...
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"Renato Gaucho's over there
signing autographs."
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And I thought "Is Renato there?
I'll go and see."
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I get into the middle of the mall and
who's there signing autographs?
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Kaiser!
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He wanted to look
like Renato Gaucho...
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He cut his hair the same way…
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00:22:21,131 --> 00:22:24,527
And tried to wear similar clothes to
Renato when he could.
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He pretended to be Renato.
He would show goal montages from afar,
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00:22:29,931 --> 00:22:32,952
and because Kaiser had
wavy hair like Renato…
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00:22:32,976 --> 00:22:36,789
He would tell girls that he'd
scored a goal for Gremio.
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00:22:36,813 --> 00:22:41,085
And girls bought it because they didn't
have a lot of knowledge about players.
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My reign truly began from 1983 when
I was compared to Renato.
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That's when my reign starts.
Renato's clone.
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I began visiting
Rio de Janeiro in 1983,
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and it was around then
I met this legend.
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We can call him that.
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00:23:08,804 --> 00:23:13,600
All of you abroad may have only
just heard of him,
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00:23:13,642 --> 00:23:17,455
but for us here he's a legend.
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00:23:17,479 --> 00:23:19,957
And then I started hearing all
of these stories about me...
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00:23:19,981 --> 00:23:20,000
"This guy's slept with women pretending
to be you."
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00:23:20,024 --> 00:23:24,712
"He's doing this or that."
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00:23:24,736 --> 00:23:26,756
"He's doing well out of your name."
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00:23:26,780 --> 00:23:29,050
I said "If the guy's doing well, let him."
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00:23:29,074 --> 00:23:31,886
"Unless he's stealing or attacking
somebody let him do it."
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Due to my resemblance with Renato.
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00:23:35,622 --> 00:23:37,624
"I used to sleep with older women..."
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For money
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because women wanted to bed Renato,
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00:23:41,711 --> 00:23:44,131
but they paid to have sex with Kaiser.
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00:23:45,132 --> 00:23:49,386
When I met Kaiser I could really
see how much he resembled me.
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00:23:49,928 --> 00:23:53,449
After we met I could never forget him
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00:23:53,473 --> 00:23:55,660
because he's a real character.
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00:23:55,684 --> 00:23:58,496
There are endless stories about Kaiser.
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00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,273
We've been good friends for many years,
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00:24:01,314 --> 00:24:04,276
and I know we'll stay that way.
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00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:10,282
I don't drink because my mum was
an alcoholic. I have an aversion to drink.
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00:24:11,908 --> 00:24:16,097
For me nowadays, my dad, my brother,
my friend, my everything
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00:24:16,121 --> 00:24:17,205
is Renato Gaucho.
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00:24:22,335 --> 00:24:24,188
By pretending to be Renato,
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00:24:24,212 --> 00:24:28,109
Kaiser had tasted the life
of a professional footballer.
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00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:30,278
He had his entry into the game,
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00:24:30,302 --> 00:24:32,596
and he fully intended to exploit it.
341
00:24:33,597 --> 00:24:37,618
In Brazil, Kaiser is known as a 171,
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00:24:37,642 --> 00:24:40,687
the penal code for scams and fraud.
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00:24:41,897 --> 00:24:43,791
As we say colloquially
here in Brazil...
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00:24:43,815 --> 00:24:46,377
"Every 171 is loveable."
345
00:24:46,401 --> 00:24:48,754
And Kaiser is no exception.
346
00:24:48,778 --> 00:24:51,591
They're always bad. Always bad.
347
00:24:51,615 --> 00:24:55,118
Profiting from something they don't do.
348
00:24:55,994 --> 00:24:58,163
Kaiser is a good 171.
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00:24:59,164 --> 00:25:03,102
He was shady in a good way.
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00:25:03,126 --> 00:25:09,591
I think he's an affront to
the profession of football.
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00:25:12,636 --> 00:25:14,864
Kaiser knew
that if he wanted to maintain
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00:25:14,888 --> 00:25:18,725
his footballer lifestyle,
he had to become one.
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00:25:19,935 --> 00:25:22,538
And with his growing
network of famous friends,
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00:25:22,562 --> 00:25:26,233
he started getting introductions
to professional clubs.
355
00:25:28,235 --> 00:25:30,880
His first opportunity
didn't come in Rio,
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00:25:30,904 --> 00:25:35,909
but 9,000 kilometers away.
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00:25:48,088 --> 00:25:52,050
Ajaccio, or Corsica actually.
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00:25:52,801 --> 00:25:56,805
The island is very beautiful.
Surrounded by the Mediterranean.
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00:26:01,518 --> 00:26:04,104
GFCA. Gazelec Football Club Ajaccio.
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00:26:06,022 --> 00:26:09,192
I was taken by a Brazilian called
Fabio Barros, Fabinho.
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00:26:11,736 --> 00:26:14,781
I arrived and they had high expectations
because I was Brazilian.
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00:26:15,991 --> 00:26:17,742
The stadium was packed with fans.
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00:26:18,827 --> 00:26:21,347
I climbed into the stands and gave
flowers to the president's wife,
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00:26:21,371 --> 00:26:23,748
got the Corsican flag and kissed it.
365
00:26:24,457 --> 00:26:25,518
And so, I didn't have to train
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00:26:25,542 --> 00:26:27,252
I kicked all the balls out to the fans…
367
00:26:28,128 --> 00:26:29,368
And then there was no training.
368
00:26:29,671 --> 00:26:30,797
I got a standing ovation.
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00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:33,938
Just because of that I could have
stayed ten years without playing.
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00:26:35,343 --> 00:26:38,072
There was a game, which
I was watching from the stands.
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00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:44,203
And right when they blew the whistle
he made a crazy ten-metre dash.
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00:26:44,227 --> 00:26:46,956
At the end of the sprint he put his hand
on his leg and fell on the ground.
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00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:51,669
There was a French guy sat next to me who
also played for the club and he said.
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00:26:51,693 --> 00:26:55,214
"Alex, that guy never plays.
I already knew that was going to happen"
375
00:26:55,238 --> 00:26:58,283
"I was actually surprised he didn't
come off before the whistle blew."
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00:27:01,786 --> 00:27:05,832
His relationship with the club
couldn't have been worse.
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00:27:06,124 --> 00:27:11,504
He didn't bother anybody, but
the coach didn't like him.
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00:27:12,213 --> 00:27:16,384
My friends were the
directors not the players.
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00:27:18,178 --> 00:27:23,099
Corsica wants to be independent.
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00:27:23,892 --> 00:27:26,811
So, the violence there is really bad.
381
00:27:29,147 --> 00:27:32,108
It's mafia. Let's not beat around
the bush. It's mafia.
382
00:27:34,235 --> 00:27:38,281
Mancini, an Italian, was vice-president.
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00:27:39,366 --> 00:27:42,345
He had a special relationship with Mancini…
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00:27:42,369 --> 00:27:43,370
As if he was his son.
385
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:47,975
It was like a wing of
protection around Kaiser.
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00:27:47,999 --> 00:27:50,418
It was a kind of mafia thing.
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00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:56,859
There came a point when they said
"He's not going to perform."
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00:27:56,883 --> 00:27:59,862
"He's not going to perform but
he's important to us."
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00:27:59,886 --> 00:28:02,531
And he was loaned out,
he didn't stay there.
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00:28:02,555 --> 00:28:04,325
He was always going back to
Brazil to play for Bangu.
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00:28:04,349 --> 00:28:05,934
Loaned out to Bangu, America FC.
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00:28:07,936 --> 00:28:08,747
In a country
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00:28:08,771 --> 00:28:10,206
where he couldn't speak the language
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00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:13,793
and was a complete unknown,
Kaiser had conned his way
395
00:28:13,817 --> 00:28:15,819
into professional football.
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00:28:18,154 --> 00:28:20,341
Having a foreign club on his resume
397
00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:23,969
gave him exactly what
he needed back at home,
398
00:28:23,993 --> 00:28:28,123
a doorway into the world
of Brazilian football.
399
00:28:31,418 --> 00:28:37,132
The clubs I've been at
probably won't admit it
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00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:40,635
because I was a disappointment for them.
401
00:28:40,677 --> 00:28:42,721
But clubs screw so many people over
402
00:28:43,263 --> 00:28:45,366
that somebody had to trick the clubs.
403
00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:47,326
They couldn't fire me.
404
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:49,954
How do you explain that you signed
some player who didn't work out?
405
00:28:49,978 --> 00:28:51,247
You can't sell them.
406
00:28:51,271 --> 00:28:53,481
You'll be devaluing all of your assets.
407
00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:56,585
All the teams I went to celebrated twice
408
00:28:56,609 --> 00:28:58,611
when I signed and the again when I left.
409
00:29:00,029 --> 00:29:01,006
You understand?
410
00:29:01,030 --> 00:29:04,617
The only exception to that was Bangu.
411
00:29:09,956 --> 00:29:13,477
This is the
legendary Brazilian children's
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00:29:13,501 --> 00:29:15,396
TV show, Balao Magico.
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00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:19,900
It featured a clown, a flying
balloon with an evil face,
414
00:29:19,924 --> 00:29:22,945
and what appears to be a dancing penis,
415
00:29:22,969 --> 00:29:24,262
which is stroking an egg.
416
00:29:25,722 --> 00:29:29,452
Balao Magico and its theme
song, Super Fantastisco,
417
00:29:29,476 --> 00:29:32,955
were loved by millions,
including this man,
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00:29:32,979 --> 00:29:36,083
Castor de Andrade.
419
00:29:36,107 --> 00:29:39,503
Castor was a colourful
character in Brazilian life.
420
00:29:39,527 --> 00:29:42,965
He was patron of the famous
Moncidade's Samba School,
421
00:29:42,989 --> 00:29:45,033
which still competes in Rio Carnival.
422
00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:48,095
Castor was a man of the people,
423
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,973
known throughout the entire country.
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00:29:50,997 --> 00:29:51,933
Bravo!
425
00:29:51,957 --> 00:29:54,477
And he financed
and controlled Bangu,
426
00:29:54,501 --> 00:29:57,855
a small club in the west zone of Rio.
427
00:29:57,879 --> 00:30:00,733
Whatever he wanted, happened.
428
00:30:00,757 --> 00:30:03,152
Offside!
429
00:30:03,176 --> 00:30:07,031
And Castor wanted the Bangu
band to play Super Fantastico
430
00:30:07,055 --> 00:30:08,973
at every game.
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00:30:17,273 --> 00:30:21,152
Everybody who played for
Bangu under Doctor Castor
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00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:23,339
was afraid of Doctor Castor.
433
00:30:23,363 --> 00:30:26,741
That's a fact. You couldn't not be.
434
00:30:28,034 --> 00:30:30,315
The left back for the 1970
national team, Marco Antonio
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00:30:31,204 --> 00:30:32,804
was always injured and he couldn't play.
436
00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:37,102
Castor went to training where Marco
Antonio was chatting away
437
00:30:37,126 --> 00:30:38,419
he took his revolver out...
438
00:30:39,671 --> 00:30:42,173
BANG, he took a shot
near Marco Antonio's foot.
439
00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:46,135
He jumped about two kilometres.
440
00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:50,348
"Look! You're fine! You
can play tomorrow then."
441
00:30:52,934 --> 00:30:55,246
Castor was a man
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00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:57,873
that no one wanted to mess with.
443
00:30:57,897 --> 00:31:01,794
In the 1980s, he was considered
to be the most dangerous
444
00:31:01,818 --> 00:31:04,070
crime boss in Brazil.
445
00:31:04,404 --> 00:31:09,969
If the police stopped you in the street
and you mentioned Doctor Castor…
446
00:31:09,993 --> 00:31:12,429
You would get off scot-free.
447
00:31:12,453 --> 00:31:17,375
Castor de Andrade's name
was very powerful.
448
00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:23,566
I was a friend of his.
I'm godfather to his daughter.
449
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:28,928
Castor was charismatic, caring.
He lived on the wrong side of the law,
450
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:34,809
but all the powerful leaders
around the country loved him.
451
00:31:36,978 --> 00:31:39,206
Castor was a bichiero,
452
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:43,919
the head of an illegal lottery
game called Jogo Do Bicho.
453
00:31:43,943 --> 00:31:46,714
You can still buy a ticket
on every street corner
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00:31:46,738 --> 00:31:48,465
in Brazil, and it's tolerated
455
00:31:48,489 --> 00:31:51,760
because everybody plays it.
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00:31:51,784 --> 00:31:53,637
Castor had been born into the game,
457
00:31:53,661 --> 00:31:56,056
and had gone from owning
a few lottery stores
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00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,641
to becoming one of the richest,
459
00:31:57,665 --> 00:32:00,501
and most influential people
in the whole of Brazil.
460
00:32:01,210 --> 00:32:03,838
Castor de Andrade was
drowning in money.
461
00:32:04,047 --> 00:32:06,424
He could light cigars with $100 bills.
462
00:32:13,306 --> 00:32:17,328
He was the boss.
He assumed the power of the role.
463
00:32:17,352 --> 00:32:22,291
I would very often see
players kiss his hand.
464
00:32:22,315 --> 00:32:23,816
That would actually happen.
465
00:32:26,235 --> 00:32:29,506
Crime bosses
are passionate people.
466
00:32:29,530 --> 00:32:31,634
And what better to release passion
467
00:32:31,658 --> 00:32:33,076
than through football.
468
00:32:34,118 --> 00:32:36,913
Bangu and Castor were a perfect match.
469
00:32:38,790 --> 00:32:40,643
I saw who ordered them to attack me,
470
00:32:40,667 --> 00:32:42,186
and it was the chairman,
Castor de Andrade.
471
00:32:42,210 --> 00:32:45,481
I ran after the referee with a
clear instruction saying...
472
00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:47,191
"Don't leave the pitch!"
473
00:32:47,215 --> 00:32:50,778
"Wait on the pitch for the police."
474
00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:55,574
And as I approached him shouting
"Don't leave the pitch!"
475
00:32:55,598 --> 00:33:01,229
He might have thought I was trying
to attack him, so he ran off.
476
00:33:05,608 --> 00:33:06,835
The footage shows the carnage,
477
00:33:06,859 --> 00:33:08,277
but I didn't see anything.
478
00:33:09,779 --> 00:33:12,675
I remember saying
to him "Hey, Castor..."
479
00:33:12,699 --> 00:33:18,681
He liked me a lot because I
didn't ask for bribes.
480
00:33:18,705 --> 00:33:22,476
And he said to me "Garotinho,
get this in your head..."
481
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,585
"Only people that deserve it get killed."
482
00:33:26,087 --> 00:33:27,982
So, I went out thinking "Whoa, only people
that deserve it get killed!"
483
00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:31,467
How was I supposed to
interpret that sentence?
484
00:33:32,635 --> 00:33:34,363
Castor's money
brought in some of the greatest
485
00:33:34,387 --> 00:33:37,616
players in Brazil,
including some of the 1970...
486
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,536
World Cup winning squad
and their superstar
487
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,021
national team forward, called Maurino.
488
00:33:46,649 --> 00:33:49,962
The team went from nothing
to narrowly missing out
489
00:33:49,986 --> 00:33:54,407
on becoming champions of Brazil in 1985.
490
00:33:58,202 --> 00:34:02,331
Castor's money also brought
him a not-so-great player.
491
00:34:03,332 --> 00:34:04,685
I came from Ajaccio.
492
00:34:04,709 --> 00:34:05,869
I went from Corsica to Bangu.
493
00:34:06,669 --> 00:34:10,441
There's a newspaper headline
saying "Bangu has its king."
494
00:34:10,465 --> 00:34:12,192
Who was that? Zizinho?
495
00:34:12,216 --> 00:34:14,403
No. Carlos Kaiser.
496
00:34:14,427 --> 00:34:18,139
From a sports newspaper back then.
It's there for whoever wants to see it.
497
00:34:18,222 --> 00:34:22,161
I saw this newspaper headline
"Bangu signs Kaiser."
498
00:34:22,185 --> 00:34:25,914
The name alone stands
out. A name like Kaiser.
499
00:34:25,938 --> 00:34:28,417
"I want to see this guy play."
500
00:34:28,441 --> 00:34:32,087
He became as important
501
00:34:32,111 --> 00:34:34,214
as Mauro GalvĂŁo, Marinho,
502
00:34:34,238 --> 00:34:36,717
and nobody today can explain why.
503
00:34:36,741 --> 00:34:42,347
Because he was as important as
we were for the club.
504
00:34:42,371 --> 00:34:43,849
For doing nothing.
505
00:34:43,873 --> 00:34:45,124
He wasn't a player.
506
00:34:49,295 --> 00:34:50,838
I was a ball boy at Bangu.
507
00:34:54,217 --> 00:34:57,196
He would tell me from on the pitch
"Go up to the stands..."
508
00:34:57,220 --> 00:35:00,532
"And get all the guys from the
favela here to shout my name."
509
00:35:00,556 --> 00:35:06,354
"Then after the training I'll
buy you a snack and a drink."
510
00:35:06,437 --> 00:35:10,000
I said: "Leave it to me." Then I went up
and got about 30 guys to shout...
511
00:35:10,024 --> 00:35:12,127
"Kaiser! Kaiser!"
512
00:35:12,151 --> 00:35:16,030
After that Castor would say "He's the man."
513
00:35:17,532 --> 00:35:21,536
He managed to fool the most
dangerous man in Brazil.
514
00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:26,016
Tripping Castor up is like tripping up
a tortoise. It's difficult,
515
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,583
but it seems he did it.
516
00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:34,465
We were afraid of Doctor Castor,
517
00:35:34,507 --> 00:35:37,135
but he loved Kaiser.
518
00:35:37,343 --> 00:35:40,405
You'd got into Castor's room and
Kaiser was always there
519
00:35:40,429 --> 00:35:43,641
playing, chatting and laughing loads.
520
00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:50,582
When we had to give an interview,
Doctor Castor asked him to do it.
521
00:35:50,606 --> 00:35:53,961
And everybody was
like "Doctor, why Kaiser?"
522
00:35:53,985 --> 00:35:56,821
He would just say "Kaiser is the man."
523
00:35:58,614 --> 00:36:02,910
Doctor Castor always thought I
was going to shine at some point.
524
00:36:03,536 --> 00:36:08,916
I organized everything. I was
the team's PR manager.
525
00:36:09,584 --> 00:36:12,146
So, when a director of the team
decided to get rid of me
526
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:14,589
there were 30 people demanding
that I stayed.
527
00:36:19,886 --> 00:36:21,989
The good thing he brought to Bangu
was that he filled the place up with girls.
528
00:36:22,013 --> 00:36:25,141
He would arrive in a van
529
00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:26,517
with 15 or 20 women.
530
00:36:28,728 --> 00:36:30,080
He's amazing.
531
00:36:30,104 --> 00:36:32,315
I don't know where his talent
comes from but it's good.
532
00:36:33,816 --> 00:36:37,820
This documentary has to be based on
the personal side, not the footballing one.
533
00:36:39,363 --> 00:36:42,593
I wasn't any kind of legend.
I was a legend to other people.
534
00:36:42,617 --> 00:36:45,512
The players' legend, not the fans' one.
535
00:36:45,536 --> 00:36:48,789
No club has a statue of me.
There's nothing.
536
00:36:53,377 --> 00:36:55,606
Rio de Janeiro
is as seductive at night
537
00:36:55,630 --> 00:36:57,632
as it is by day.
538
00:36:57,673 --> 00:36:59,818
All of Brazil wants to party here.
539
00:36:59,842 --> 00:37:03,238
And, with his reputation as
a superstar footballer,
540
00:37:03,262 --> 00:37:05,765
Kaiser was at the centre of every party.
541
00:37:07,058 --> 00:37:10,537
To his teammates, he was
the king of Rio nightlife.
542
00:37:10,561 --> 00:37:12,873
What he lacked in talent on the pitch,
543
00:37:12,897 --> 00:37:15,733
he more than made up
for on the dance floor.
544
00:37:20,696 --> 00:37:24,092
He'd know where
the coolest places were.
545
00:37:24,116 --> 00:37:25,326
The king of the party.
546
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:32,017
He was always around footballers
and among beautiful women.
547
00:37:32,041 --> 00:37:33,852
I always saw Kaiser with beautiful women.
548
00:37:33,876 --> 00:37:35,753
And famous women too.
549
00:37:41,425 --> 00:37:43,820
Kaiser would bring you
along to a nightclub
550
00:37:43,844 --> 00:37:46,114
where there were women in a VIP area
551
00:37:46,138 --> 00:37:49,701
free drinks, free food.
552
00:37:49,725 --> 00:37:51,394
It was like he was an actor.
553
00:38:02,863 --> 00:38:06,593
He would pretend to be someone special.
554
00:38:06,617 --> 00:38:09,745
So, people would inexplicably give
him special treatment.
555
00:38:10,413 --> 00:38:13,934
He would rock up
with his footballer swagger
556
00:38:13,958 --> 00:38:17,211
then he'd go up to them and say:
"Hey, I'm a footballer..."
557
00:38:17,253 --> 00:38:19,173
And the girls would be like:
"Wow! A footballer?"
558
00:38:21,632 --> 00:38:24,069
He would go up to women and say
559
00:38:24,093 --> 00:38:27,805
"I'm a footballer. I want to dedicate
my next goal to you on TV."
560
00:38:30,516 --> 00:38:31,934
He invited me to go out with him.
561
00:38:32,601 --> 00:38:34,228
That's where the trouble started.
562
00:38:34,562 --> 00:38:40,377
I remember one time we went to a
nightclub called Nuth over in Barra.
563
00:38:40,401 --> 00:38:46,591
Kaiser invited me and two girls
to a nightclub opening.
564
00:38:46,615 --> 00:38:47,801
"Ok. Let's go."
565
00:38:47,825 --> 00:38:52,389
"You won't have to worry about anything as
it's all on my tab and I know everybody there."
566
00:38:52,413 --> 00:38:56,208
Then he opened a door about this
height to crawl through.
567
00:38:58,377 --> 00:39:01,356
Under the door and under all
these pots and pans.
568
00:39:01,380 --> 00:39:03,400
He got me in through the kitchen.
569
00:39:03,424 --> 00:39:06,903
I come in and there's a
fryer in front of me.
570
00:39:06,927 --> 00:39:13,660
We came out onto the roof and down
a ladder then we were in the club.
571
00:39:13,684 --> 00:39:17,873
Then once we finally got in I realised
that he'd just snuck us in like a rat.
572
00:39:17,897 --> 00:39:22,002
I said to him "Fucking
hell Kaiser, I work"
573
00:39:22,026 --> 00:39:26,113
"I can just go to the front and pay the
entrance fee. I don't need this shit!"
574
00:39:27,948 --> 00:39:31,553
I got in trouble at home with my wife
575
00:39:31,577 --> 00:39:34,931
because a lot of people would say to her...
576
00:39:34,955 --> 00:39:39,561
"Renato was in this place, Renato was
drinking there, Renato was with a woman."
577
00:39:39,585 --> 00:39:42,189
And it wasn't me. I was at training camp.
578
00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:43,255
It was Kaiser.
579
00:39:45,174 --> 00:39:46,943
We arrived at a nightclub.
580
00:39:46,967 --> 00:39:49,470
He was walking in and was
stopped by the bouncer.
581
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:53,015
Kaiser said: "Don't you know who I am?"
582
00:39:53,933 --> 00:39:57,686
"I'm Renato Gaucho."
"Oh Renato! Come on in."
583
00:39:58,312 --> 00:40:00,457
Then the nightclub
owner said "Hey Renato..."
584
00:40:00,481 --> 00:40:03,275
Come sit down here. You and
Mauricio sit here. They're players."
585
00:40:05,820 --> 00:40:11,510
Then the real Renato comes along
and the bouncer stops him.
586
00:40:11,534 --> 00:40:14,763
I say "The owner invited me along.
I'm with a couple of friends."
587
00:40:14,787 --> 00:40:18,517
And the guy says: "But who are you?"
588
00:40:18,541 --> 00:40:20,334
I said: "I'm Renato Gaucho."
589
00:40:20,709 --> 00:40:23,605
The bouncer looks at me and says…
590
00:40:23,629 --> 00:40:25,649
"Do I look like an idiot?"
591
00:40:25,673 --> 00:40:27,401
Renato says: "Are you crazy, mate?"
592
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:29,403
And everybody else saying:
"It's Renato, mate."
593
00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:31,780
And the bouncer says "No way,
Renato's already inside!"
594
00:40:31,804 --> 00:40:33,889
"Oh, really? Renato Gaucho
is already inside?"
595
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:36,243
I said: "Could you do me one favour?"
596
00:40:36,267 --> 00:40:38,144
Which one is Renato Gaucho in there?"
597
00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:43,417
I come in and Carlos Kaiser is
there at the table
598
00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:47,069
surrounded by beautiful women
with drinks on the table.
599
00:40:49,155 --> 00:40:53,159
Then they found out it was Carlos Kaiser.
Kaiser went and hid in the bathroom.
600
00:40:53,451 --> 00:40:55,995
What can I do with a guy like that?
601
00:41:04,211 --> 00:41:06,481
Off the pitch,
Kaiser was living the life
602
00:41:06,505 --> 00:41:09,776
of a star, and his fellow
footballers loved him.
603
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,597
But Castor de Andrade's patience
was starting to wear thin.
604
00:41:17,683 --> 00:41:20,269
Castor was so
pissed off with him.
605
00:41:21,145 --> 00:41:26,358
One day Castor de Andrade and his
people came and said...
606
00:41:27,234 --> 00:41:33,407
"Kaiser! If you don't train today
right now, we're going to shoot you."
607
00:41:33,908 --> 00:41:35,677
He pressured me.
608
00:41:35,701 --> 00:41:41,707
Doctor Castor liked the way I was.
He wanted to see my character on the pitch.
609
00:41:43,834 --> 00:41:46,712
You could never fool him.
Men like that don't get fooled.
610
00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:50,174
Nobody scams Castor de Andrade.
611
00:42:00,226 --> 00:42:03,705
Bangu weren't getting good
results so at some point they said...
612
00:42:03,729 --> 00:42:05,564
"We have to make Kaiser play."
613
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:11,946
I was partying at a nightclub
here in Rio called Caligula.
614
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:25,084
The Bangu coach Moises calls me.
615
00:42:42,768 --> 00:42:44,853
So, the guy finds me at 4am in the morning.
616
00:42:45,729 --> 00:42:49,275
And he tells me that Doctor Castor wants
me on the bench the next day.
617
00:42:51,443 --> 00:42:55,632
I said "Come on man. You call me at 4am
to play in the game?"
618
00:42:55,656 --> 00:42:58,536
He said "No. You just have to be on
the bench. You're not going to play."
619
00:43:06,166 --> 00:43:10,546
So, I'm arriving back at the hotel and
the other players are just waking up.
620
00:43:18,262 --> 00:43:20,598
I was a ball boy. I was on the pitch.
621
00:43:30,941 --> 00:43:33,920
It seemed like a storm was gathering.
622
00:43:33,944 --> 00:43:36,798
Everybody was excited saying
"Kaiser is going to make his debut."
623
00:43:36,822 --> 00:43:38,633
How can a footballer be thinking...
624
00:43:38,657 --> 00:43:41,243
"Oh hell, I'm going on the pitch.
What am I going to do?"
625
00:43:45,623 --> 00:43:46,823
So, they put him on the bench.
626
00:43:47,082 --> 00:43:50,103
The game is in full flow then Castor sends
a message down saying "Put Kaiser on."
627
00:43:50,127 --> 00:43:53,380
"Send Kaiser on. Put the big guy
up front so he scores."
628
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,717
And he's terrified of coming on.
629
00:43:59,428 --> 00:44:01,031
They tell him to warm up and he thinks
630
00:44:01,055 --> 00:44:03,432
"I'm screwed. I'm screwed."
631
00:44:08,687 --> 00:44:11,190
"If the Doctor finds me out, I'm dead."
632
00:44:13,275 --> 00:44:16,671
I started to warm up and
supporters were shouting...
633
00:44:16,695 --> 00:44:19,281
"Long haired faggot!"
I thought "Now's my chance."
634
00:44:21,450 --> 00:44:23,077
So, I jumped the fence.
635
00:44:25,704 --> 00:44:27,748
And he fights this fan.
636
00:44:45,140 --> 00:44:46,980
And I was sent off before
coming on the pitch.
637
00:44:56,819 --> 00:44:59,405
Castor comes down to the dressing
room ready to kill him.
638
00:45:02,241 --> 00:45:06,179
"Kaiser, for God's sake, the boss is
going to kill you today."
639
00:45:06,203 --> 00:45:08,831
"What have you done? You're crazy."
640
00:45:19,049 --> 00:45:21,209
I was sitting down and thinking
about what I could say.
641
00:45:21,593 --> 00:45:24,096
Then Doctor Castor
comes in with his heavies.
642
00:45:30,269 --> 00:45:32,563
When he came up to me, I said...
643
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,480
"Doctor..."
644
00:45:34,732 --> 00:45:37,609
"Before you speak, I want
to say something."
645
00:45:39,653 --> 00:45:42,716
"I can't tolerate fans saying
bad things about you..."
646
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:43,800
"You are incredible."
647
00:45:43,824 --> 00:45:45,284
"You're my father."
648
00:45:48,454 --> 00:45:50,414
"God took away my real father..."
649
00:45:50,789 --> 00:45:51,874
"Then he gave me you."
650
00:45:57,171 --> 00:46:00,358
"The fans out there were calling
you a crook and a bum..."
651
00:46:00,382 --> 00:46:03,403
"That you're a criminal, you're a villain."
652
00:46:03,427 --> 00:46:05,804
"They were slandering you saying
you were a drug baron..."
653
00:46:07,431 --> 00:46:08,431
"Doctor..."
654
00:46:09,266 --> 00:46:11,661
"My contract is up in a fortnight."
655
00:46:11,685 --> 00:46:13,479
"You'll be rid of me in a fortnight."
656
00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:16,982
"No!"
657
00:46:27,201 --> 00:46:28,535
"Kaiser..."
658
00:46:29,495 --> 00:46:31,455
"You are my friend."
659
00:46:32,831 --> 00:46:35,918
"Three more months on your contract."
660
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,589
"You're my friend. Three more
months on your contract!"
661
00:46:45,803 --> 00:46:49,139
"Put another six months on Kaiser's
contract and double his pay."
662
00:46:49,181 --> 00:46:51,861
And the whole team was like "Fucking hell.
How did you manage that?"
663
00:46:55,103 --> 00:46:57,815
He stayed for another three months
suckling Castor's tit.
664
00:47:08,242 --> 00:47:10,595
So, by impersonating superstars
665
00:47:10,619 --> 00:47:14,140
and sweet-talking gangster
bosses, Kaiser proclaimed
666
00:47:14,164 --> 00:47:17,685
to be a footballer himself.
667
00:47:17,709 --> 00:47:21,189
Now it was time to do some
serious self-promotion,
668
00:47:21,213 --> 00:47:23,483
appear in sporting and gossip columns,
669
00:47:23,507 --> 00:47:26,152
and start to dominate, not just Bangu,
670
00:47:26,176 --> 00:47:28,595
but the entire city of Rio.
671
00:47:35,477 --> 00:47:38,289
There were friendships that Kaiser
forged with certain journalists.
672
00:47:38,313 --> 00:47:39,874
Who he'd schmooze.
673
00:47:39,898 --> 00:47:43,485
He'd sell his story and
the journalists believed it.
674
00:47:46,446 --> 00:47:49,217
There are loads of interviews with
him with many journalists.
675
00:47:49,241 --> 00:47:51,261
He's done loads of TV shows.
676
00:47:51,285 --> 00:47:53,745
It's truly unbelievable.
677
00:47:54,037 --> 00:47:55,932
Actually, this is how it goes.
678
00:47:55,956 --> 00:47:58,685
I was sold to Ajaccio in Corsica.
679
00:47:58,709 --> 00:48:00,294
In French it's "Ajaccienne."
680
00:48:00,669 --> 00:48:02,504
Jairzinho, I was your lucky charm.
681
00:48:03,505 --> 00:48:05,799
I saw you come to Botafogo.
682
00:48:06,216 --> 00:48:07,193
What's up gang.
683
00:48:07,217 --> 00:48:08,820
It's not just any show today.
684
00:48:08,844 --> 00:48:10,989
It's a special show.
685
00:48:11,013 --> 00:48:12,448
You know why?
686
00:48:12,472 --> 00:48:15,285
Why? Because Renato's here.
687
00:48:15,309 --> 00:48:16,602
You're so hot right now.
688
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,607
The important thing is to be happy.
689
00:48:22,149 --> 00:48:27,672
He sold the story of his life
being a footballer.
690
00:48:27,696 --> 00:48:29,156
He inhabited the character,
691
00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:32,868
and he talked the talk.
692
00:48:39,583 --> 00:48:41,227
As Kaiser's fame spread,
693
00:48:41,251 --> 00:48:44,731
he was able to get into any
football club he wanted.
694
00:48:44,755 --> 00:48:48,985
Trying to work out which
club he was at any one time
695
00:48:49,009 --> 00:48:50,236
was impossible.
696
00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:51,905
He was everywhere.
697
00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:54,723
A few weeks here, a few months there.
698
00:48:55,641 --> 00:48:58,161
Dates for me are something
I want to forget.
699
00:48:58,185 --> 00:49:03,082
I didn't care about changing
clubs all the time.
700
00:49:03,106 --> 00:49:07,694
When a manager told me I wasn't
going to play, I was overjoyed.
701
00:49:08,362 --> 00:49:11,132
In order to maintain
the life of a footballer,
702
00:49:11,156 --> 00:49:14,385
all Kaiser had to do was
make sure he never set foot
703
00:49:14,409 --> 00:49:16,995
on a pitch, or go near a football.
704
00:49:17,871 --> 00:49:19,665
A famous midfielder for Fluminense…
705
00:49:20,499 --> 00:49:23,710
Knocked some guy out in a nightclub
and I took the blame.
706
00:49:24,211 --> 00:49:26,129
I saved the players' asses.
707
00:49:29,174 --> 00:49:30,926
He came to Palmeiras.
708
00:49:31,468 --> 00:49:36,366
He approached the guy who was marking
him from the youth team,
709
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:38,368
and asked: "How much do you earn?"
710
00:49:38,392 --> 00:49:41,812
The guy told him, so he said "I'll give you
double that if you injure me."
711
00:49:43,105 --> 00:49:46,834
Training started and the guy slide
tackled him and injured him.
712
00:49:46,858 --> 00:49:50,028
Then, when his contract was
ending, they extended it.
713
00:49:52,698 --> 00:49:57,995
I arrived at Puebla on a three-year contract
but I was sent on loan to America FC.
714
00:49:58,829 --> 00:50:03,375
And the club president came to me
and said: "Fuck man you never play!"
715
00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:08,398
"I have the note here and they've finally
found what my problem is."
716
00:50:08,422 --> 00:50:10,924
"It's a dental issue." Pure lies.
717
00:50:12,759 --> 00:50:15,238
Many people will
wonder why football clubs
718
00:50:15,262 --> 00:50:16,823
would fall for this.
719
00:50:16,847 --> 00:50:19,117
The first rule for any
good businessperson
720
00:50:19,141 --> 00:50:21,619
is to check your employees' references.
721
00:50:21,643 --> 00:50:24,414
However, in some respects,
Kaiser's references
722
00:50:24,438 --> 00:50:26,249
were very good.
723
00:50:26,273 --> 00:50:29,460
Okay, he couldn't deliver on the pitch,
724
00:50:29,484 --> 00:50:32,839
but he certainly delivered off it.
725
00:50:32,863 --> 00:50:35,842
And his particular skills
were just what was needed
726
00:50:35,866 --> 00:50:36,908
at Botafogo.
727
00:50:40,704 --> 00:50:43,433
Castor de Andrade's shady work history,
728
00:50:43,457 --> 00:50:45,476
and controlling interest in Bangu
729
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:48,938
wasn't a unique combination
in 1980s Brazil.
730
00:50:48,962 --> 00:50:52,716
There were other bicheiros
involved in Rio football.
731
00:50:55,093 --> 00:50:57,304
Emil Pinheiro was just
like Castor de Andrade.
732
00:50:57,888 --> 00:51:00,515
An absurdly wealthy man.
733
00:51:01,308 --> 00:51:06,354
Top players probably earn more
than the President of Brazil.
734
00:51:06,897 --> 00:51:11,419
Emil was more of a small time
bicheiro, and Castor was big league.
735
00:51:11,443 --> 00:51:15,405
He wasn't volatile or
short tempered like Castor.
736
00:51:16,573 --> 00:51:20,535
Doctor Emil was really funny. He
was tiny. He was really short.
737
00:51:20,869 --> 00:51:22,329
And he wore a little wig
738
00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:24,664
that would occasionally
fall out of place.
739
00:51:25,832 --> 00:51:29,270
They needed to launder money
they'd earned illegally.
740
00:51:29,294 --> 00:51:32,565
And part of that money went into football.
741
00:51:32,589 --> 00:51:38,386
Legend has it that Pinheiro paid
off linesmen and referees.
742
00:51:40,764 --> 00:51:42,116
Emil had wanted to be part
743
00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:44,077
of football for years.
744
00:51:44,101 --> 00:51:46,704
And his old friend, Castor, helped him
745
00:51:46,728 --> 00:51:49,356
get the right introductions to Botafogo.
746
00:51:50,732 --> 00:51:53,294
The club hadn't won a thing since the '70s,
747
00:51:53,318 --> 00:51:56,422
but Emil's briefcases of
cash and a favour from Castor
748
00:51:56,446 --> 00:51:58,115
changed all that.
749
00:51:59,116 --> 00:52:02,345
Despite being the bigger
bichiero, Castor owed Emil
750
00:52:02,369 --> 00:52:06,224
a lot of money and rather
than start an unnecessary
751
00:52:06,248 --> 00:52:08,392
turf war, he just let
a lot of Bangu players
752
00:52:08,416 --> 00:52:11,521
join Emil's revolution in Botafogo.
753
00:52:11,545 --> 00:52:15,757
The result, a 1989 state championship.
754
00:52:24,391 --> 00:52:27,144
God had a purpose for
me with that goal.
755
00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:34,502
I brought joy to millions of Botafogo fans.
756
00:52:34,526 --> 00:52:37,171
This title is for my aunt,
757
00:52:37,195 --> 00:52:39,156
and for my mum watching at home.
758
00:52:40,991 --> 00:52:44,327
Emil Pinheiro was crucial to that victory.
759
00:52:44,703 --> 00:52:47,080
I can now die peacefully.
760
00:52:47,956 --> 00:52:49,308
Having been patron of the club
761
00:52:49,332 --> 00:52:52,645
for only a year, winning the
title meant instant success,
762
00:52:52,669 --> 00:52:54,147
for Emil.
763
00:52:54,171 --> 00:52:59,009
To an outsider, it was almost
as if he had a secret weapon.
764
00:52:59,843 --> 00:53:02,220
Can I say what actually happened,
or will it be censored?
765
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:04,657
Is this film for over-18s?
766
00:53:04,681 --> 00:53:07,017
Can I explain exactly what happened?
767
00:53:07,934 --> 00:53:08,935
Very well
768
00:53:09,394 --> 00:53:12,189
Emil Pinheiro wasn't around
for the Viagra boom.
769
00:53:15,108 --> 00:53:17,360
Being the age he was
770
00:53:17,861 --> 00:53:20,572
impotence was a reality. Sexual impotence.
771
00:53:21,031 --> 00:53:22,949
So, at the time there was
772
00:53:23,825 --> 00:53:26,596
a prosthetic surgical procedure.
773
00:53:26,620 --> 00:53:28,347
It was the hot topic.
774
00:53:28,371 --> 00:53:30,558
Doctor Emil's bionic penis.
775
00:53:30,582 --> 00:53:34,604
I took him to get
that prosthetic implant,
776
00:53:34,628 --> 00:53:38,048
and it made him really happy.
777
00:53:38,757 --> 00:53:40,675
I'm sure he died happy.
778
00:53:41,301 --> 00:53:44,780
And I teased him saying "Doctor Emil
you must be over the moon..."
779
00:53:44,804 --> 00:53:48,117
"Because I heard you have a new penis."
780
00:53:48,141 --> 00:53:50,995
And Emil would wear these
kind of baggy trousers,
781
00:53:51,019 --> 00:53:53,539
so, his thing was king of swaying.
782
00:53:53,563 --> 00:53:55,315
It looked like a piece of wood.
783
00:53:57,192 --> 00:54:02,298
We started to joke with him saying
that he had a permanent erection.
784
00:54:02,322 --> 00:54:06,594
He would go away and I would say
"Guys, I think Emil's penis is bent..."
785
00:54:06,618 --> 00:54:09,704
"Because he always returns from the
bathroom cleaning his glasses."
786
00:54:11,122 --> 00:54:13,184
Emil made a point of showing it off.
787
00:54:13,208 --> 00:54:17,629
Botafogo had gone ten games without a win.
788
00:54:18,338 --> 00:54:22,133
Emil sat down at the table
with the cameras watching.
789
00:54:22,717 --> 00:54:25,446
Since I was the most experienced,
I came forward and said...
790
00:54:25,470 --> 00:54:26,406
"President..."
791
00:54:26,430 --> 00:54:28,616
"Botafogo haven't won in ten games."
792
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,268
"What do you have to say about a
crisis at Botafogo?"
793
00:54:32,018 --> 00:54:35,289
Emil drummed his fingers on the table,
794
00:54:35,313 --> 00:54:38,292
and in that hoarse voice of his said.
795
00:54:38,316 --> 00:54:39,669
"Sergio Americo"
796
00:54:39,693 --> 00:54:41,569
"I've looked in the drawer."
797
00:54:42,028 --> 00:54:43,738
"I've looked in the cupboards."
798
00:54:44,614 --> 00:54:45,991
"I've looked on the floor..."
799
00:54:46,741 --> 00:54:49,869
"And I couldn't find the Botafogo
crisis that you're talking about."
800
00:54:50,620 --> 00:54:54,332
Then he grabbed his prosthetic
penis and looked at me.
801
00:54:55,333 --> 00:54:56,727
"Sergio Americo..."
802
00:54:56,751 --> 00:55:00,380
"The crisis is here!"
803
00:55:06,094 --> 00:55:08,447
I can't take it. I swear to God.
804
00:55:08,471 --> 00:55:11,575
I actually think I saw his
dick accidentally
805
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:13,411
because he would wear these tight chinos,
806
00:55:13,435 --> 00:55:16,497
and he was always
sat with his dick like this.
807
00:55:16,521 --> 00:55:19,607
I would say: "Guys, that dick is wrong!"
808
00:55:20,567 --> 00:55:22,295
It's no good having a new penis
809
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:25,339
if you haven't got anyone to use it with.
810
00:55:25,363 --> 00:55:28,884
It is here that Kaiser's
unique skills as a professional
811
00:55:28,908 --> 00:55:31,036
footballer can be fully appreciated.
812
00:55:31,995 --> 00:55:34,539
Emil Pinheiro had a prosthetic penis.
813
00:55:35,540 --> 00:55:38,752
I was always introducing him to women
and I would say to him.
814
00:55:39,794 --> 00:55:43,149
"What do you have that makes all these
women want to sleep with you?"
815
00:55:43,173 --> 00:55:46,235
And so he warmed to me.
816
00:55:46,259 --> 00:55:48,303
So long as I stayed
tight with the President.
817
00:55:49,054 --> 00:55:51,949
I could stay at the club until he
wanted me to leave.
818
00:55:51,973 --> 00:55:57,621
If you get a guy like that who
knows how to talk...
819
00:55:57,645 --> 00:55:59,999
He would pull his pants down for him.
He was that good.
820
00:56:00,023 --> 00:56:01,417
He would roll out a red carpet for him.
821
00:56:01,441 --> 00:56:05,362
As far as the fans were concerned
he was a Botafogo player.
822
00:56:05,862 --> 00:56:07,382
He always hung out with the players
823
00:56:08,031 --> 00:56:09,191
was close with the directors.
824
00:56:09,532 --> 00:56:12,619
And Kaiser stayed for
five years in Botafogo.
825
00:56:16,331 --> 00:56:18,958
88, '89, '90, '91, '92... Five years.
826
00:56:21,211 --> 00:56:23,046
He was the class pimp.
827
00:56:26,508 --> 00:56:28,027
If Pele scored 1000 goals...
828
00:56:28,051 --> 00:56:31,179
Renato and I scored 2000 with women.
829
00:56:32,222 --> 00:56:36,059
I can't name any players because
they're married.
830
00:56:36,935 --> 00:56:39,330
But it was a non-stop slut bonanza.
831
00:56:39,354 --> 00:56:42,708
If you're in Rio de Janeiro, you can't
trust the players at all
832
00:56:42,732 --> 00:56:45,044
because our culture
is completely different.
833
00:56:45,068 --> 00:56:49,215
Here it's about samba, partying,
women and football.
834
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:54,327
Give them an inch and they'll
take a mile, that's how it is.
835
00:56:56,621 --> 00:57:00,893
He travel led with us and he would
always arrive at the hotels
836
00:57:00,917 --> 00:57:02,603
in Sao Paulo and Belo Horizonte.
837
00:57:02,627 --> 00:57:06,131
And I only later found out why Kaiser
travel led with the team.
838
00:57:09,175 --> 00:57:12,512
My currency was what most people
had difficulty getting hold of.
839
00:57:13,721 --> 00:57:19,018
I found out what you needed and
would exploit that need.
840
00:57:20,645 --> 00:57:23,106
Your weak point. What you like.
841
00:57:26,067 --> 00:57:28,462
He had the whole
Botafogo tracksuit,
842
00:57:28,486 --> 00:57:31,197
so when he got to the hotel, he would
say: "I play for Botafogo."
843
00:57:33,741 --> 00:57:35,970
He would take 5 or 6 women,
844
00:57:35,994 --> 00:57:38,830
and put them up in the same hotel
as the Botafogo team.
845
00:57:46,004 --> 00:57:50,425
So, he puts them all on the 5th
floor and we're on the 6th.
846
00:57:51,176 --> 00:57:54,387
You can't keep guard at midnight.
You wouldn't sleep.
847
00:57:59,476 --> 00:58:00,995
When the director said...
848
00:58:01,019 --> 00:58:02,872
"You have to be in bed by 10pm",
we'd say "Great."
849
00:58:02,896 --> 00:58:05,106
Nobody complained at all.
Nobody moaned.
850
00:58:09,110 --> 00:58:11,279
He just went down one floor,
851
00:58:11,946 --> 00:58:15,533
and the players would have their orgy.
852
00:58:23,082 --> 00:58:25,102
I found out about this many years later.
853
00:58:25,126 --> 00:58:27,837
If I'd known, I would have kicked
them out of the hotel.
854
00:58:29,672 --> 00:58:31,341
He acted as a pimp.
855
00:58:32,926 --> 00:58:35,553
He earned money bringing
women to the players.
856
00:58:37,055 --> 00:58:38,866
Whatever women the guys wanted
857
00:58:38,890 --> 00:58:41,827
I would bring to them no problem.
858
00:58:41,851 --> 00:58:44,687
Whether it was for directors or players...
859
00:58:46,773 --> 00:58:48,316
If you have money or women
860
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:50,652
you're the man.
861
00:58:51,903 --> 00:58:54,215
Emil knew about the whole situation,
862
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:59,512
and he couldn't say anything because
if it got out to the press
863
00:58:59,536 --> 00:59:01,287
it would become a global scandal.
864
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,207
Because we knew that he arranged
women for Emil.
865
00:59:06,398 --> 00:59:08,786
He's up with God now because
he died a long time ago,
866
00:59:08,810 --> 00:59:10,410
but everybody knew that he supplied him.
867
00:59:11,793 --> 00:59:14,388
My loan with Emil ended up
getting renewed.
868
00:59:15,451 --> 00:59:16,196
All the time.
869
00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:18,538
It would end and he would renew it.
It would end and he'd renew it.
870
00:59:18,562 --> 00:59:21,236
You've spoken to serious guys
871
00:59:21,260 --> 00:59:23,590
Alexandre Torres, Be be to
872
00:59:23,614 --> 00:59:26,214
all the rest played for Kaiser FC.
873
00:59:26,805 --> 00:59:29,306
I think KFC in the USA was named after me.
874
00:59:30,546 --> 00:59:32,476
Director, scout
875
00:59:33,461 --> 00:59:34,770
whoremonger
876
00:59:34,794 --> 00:59:36,070
he was everything imaginable.
877
00:59:36,094 --> 00:59:37,492
But he didn't play.
878
00:59:39,895 --> 00:59:41,899
I've slept with older women for money.
879
00:59:41,923 --> 00:59:44,775
When I was 20 and they were 45, 50, 60
880
00:59:44,799 --> 00:59:48,339
I've slept with a 70
year old. With no Viagra.
881
00:59:48,363 --> 00:59:50,623
Smashing a pretty girl is easy.
882
00:59:50,647 --> 00:59:53,184
Try sleeping with a
granny and getting her off.
883
00:59:53,208 --> 00:59:54,631
You've got to have talent.
884
00:59:59,279 --> 01:00:00,973
Sex is my hobby.
885
01:00:01,642 --> 01:00:04,592
My dream as a little boy wasn't
to go to Disneyland.
886
01:00:04,616 --> 01:00:07,156
It was to go to Amsterdam,
the land of smut.
887
01:00:07,649 --> 01:00:08,649
What would I do?
888
01:00:10,110 --> 01:00:12,627
Go on the ghost train? Meet Mickey?
889
01:00:12,651 --> 01:00:14,454
That doesn't turn me on.
890
01:00:14,478 --> 01:00:15,920
I'd rather meet Mickey's wife.
891
01:00:17,101 --> 01:00:18,101
Minnie.
892
01:00:18,531 --> 01:00:21,205
If she's hot, I'll give her a squirt.
893
01:00:21,229 --> 01:00:23,332
My hobby is sex.
894
01:00:23,356 --> 01:00:26,700
I have a disease like they
say Michael Douglas has.
895
01:00:26,724 --> 01:00:29,831
I'm super nice to people I date,
896
01:00:29,855 --> 01:00:34,050
but after three months... Big hug.
See you later.
897
01:00:39,381 --> 01:00:41,749
They're doing a documentary on me.
898
01:00:41,773 --> 01:00:43,290
Interesting.
899
01:00:43,314 --> 01:00:46,802
These English guys came over to make
a documentary about me
900
01:00:46,826 --> 01:00:50,733
as a trainer and an ex-footballer.
901
01:00:50,757 --> 01:00:53,243
I'm not a teacher.
I'm a personal trainer.
902
01:00:53,267 --> 01:00:55,296
So, I'll get you looking
like a Carnival Queen.
903
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:56,734
I'm really keen.
904
01:00:57,534 --> 01:01:00,197
It's charisma.
905
01:01:00,221 --> 01:01:04,996
Women like attention from men.
906
01:01:05,020 --> 01:01:08,508
A lot of my students have ugly
faces but great bodies,
907
01:01:08,532 --> 01:01:10,489
but you're really pretty.
908
01:01:10,513 --> 01:01:13,635
He gave them that.
He was a sweet talker.
909
01:01:13,659 --> 01:01:17,728
He's an upbeat and extrovert guy.
910
01:01:17,752 --> 01:01:19,195
What woman doesn't like that?
911
01:01:19,512 --> 01:01:22,411
And if you've got ten friends,
you can bring them too.
912
01:01:23,862 --> 01:01:25,540
He is like an illusionist.
913
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:33,593
If you let him talk, he would very quickly
make you believe his story.
914
01:01:33,617 --> 01:01:37,634
Going to Bulgaria, a woman
costs as much as a coffee.
915
01:01:37,658 --> 01:01:41,642
He has enough stories to fill
a book. A thick book.
916
01:01:41,666 --> 01:01:43,080
Oh parties
917
01:01:44,064 --> 01:01:46,461
you know with the Italian Prime Minister
918
01:01:46,485 --> 01:01:47,641
lots of orgies.
919
01:01:47,665 --> 01:01:50,025
Kaiser has a lot of stories.
920
01:01:50,049 --> 01:01:52,347
I think those stories create the legend.
921
01:01:52,371 --> 01:01:57,683
"I went to the Oscars after-party
at Robert De Niro's house."
922
01:01:57,707 --> 01:02:00,287
He went out with Ivete Sangalo,
they had dinner.
923
01:02:00,311 --> 01:02:04,379
His stories got players dreaming.
924
01:02:04,403 --> 01:02:07,193
I think that's why
people liked him so much.
925
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,124
When I arrived at Ajaccio...
926
01:02:15,148 --> 01:02:16,469
He would always talk about Ajaccio.
927
01:02:16,493 --> 01:02:18,762
It was my first week in Corsica...
928
01:02:20,153 --> 01:02:22,390
They gave me a girl as a present.
929
01:02:22,414 --> 01:02:23,893
When I got to El Paso...
930
01:02:25,339 --> 01:02:28,585
They gave me a beautiful blonde
prostitute as a present.
931
01:02:28,609 --> 01:02:31,688
"I had played such a good game..."
932
01:02:31,712 --> 01:02:34,824
"The chairman sent for me and said..."
933
01:02:34,848 --> 01:02:36,182
"Here's my Ferrari..."
934
01:02:37,498 --> 01:02:38,671
"And my secretary."
935
01:02:39,172 --> 01:02:40,632
"Beautiful, beautiful..."
936
01:02:40,656 --> 01:02:41,833
"A beautiful blonde."
937
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:46,482
And the younger players
who didn't know him
938
01:02:46,838 --> 01:02:49,040
all ears waiting for what
he was going to say.
939
01:02:50,475 --> 01:02:51,718
"What's it like driving a Ferrari?"
940
01:02:51,742 --> 01:02:53,250
"I'll tell you later."
941
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:58,122
If I'm not mistaken
942
01:02:58,146 --> 01:03:00,548
she acted in a famous French soap.
943
01:03:01,861 --> 01:03:04,640
With Kaiser, I don't know when
he's telling the truth.
944
01:03:04,664 --> 01:03:06,621
I couldn't communicate with her.
945
01:03:08,979 --> 01:03:11,135
If you tell the same lie four times…
946
01:03:11,159 --> 01:03:12,472
It becomes the truth.
947
01:03:15,302 --> 01:03:18,244
"So, I drove up to the mountains..."
948
01:03:18,672 --> 01:03:20,934
We went from motel to motel...
949
01:03:20,958 --> 01:03:23,706
He was engrossed in
his own stories
950
01:03:23,730 --> 01:03:27,243
that you'd feel bad calling him out...
951
01:03:27,267 --> 01:03:29,067
"No Kaiser, you're lying mate."
952
01:03:29,091 --> 01:03:30,270
"You're lying."
953
01:03:32,845 --> 01:03:34,381
We managed to get in somewhere,
954
01:03:34,405 --> 01:03:37,042
and I paid upfront.
955
01:03:37,066 --> 01:03:38,332
"She was loving it."
956
01:03:38,356 --> 01:03:40,868
"And I was wanting to seal the deal..."
957
01:03:40,892 --> 01:03:42,758
"She signal led that
she couldn't fuck me..."
958
01:03:42,782 --> 01:03:44,649
"Because she was on her period."
959
01:03:44,673 --> 01:03:45,731
"On the rag."
960
01:03:45,755 --> 01:03:48,684
I remember exactly how he said it...
961
01:03:48,708 --> 01:03:50,363
"On the rag."
962
01:03:50,387 --> 01:03:53,714
"We can't play today because the
pitch is waterlogged."
963
01:03:53,738 --> 01:03:55,790
And the lads were like
"Oh what an anti-climax."
964
01:04:01,863 --> 01:04:03,604
"So, I mimed to her..."
965
01:04:03,628 --> 01:04:06,518
"So, I tell her that as I'm such
a good sportsman..."
966
01:04:06,542 --> 01:04:08,337
"That as I'm such a good sportsman..."
967
01:04:08,361 --> 01:04:10,361
"When the pitch is wet, I can shoot
from behind the goal."
968
01:04:10,385 --> 01:04:14,367
"When the pitch is wet, I can shoot
from behind the goal."
969
01:04:18,921 --> 01:04:21,122
The lads couldn't contain themselves.
970
01:04:21,146 --> 01:04:24,126
Everyone cheering like it was a goal.
971
01:04:28,105 --> 01:04:29,685
How are you going to translate that?
972
01:04:30,886 --> 01:04:33,021
That definitely didn't happen.
973
01:04:48,532 --> 01:04:51,378
A good story is a powerful tool,
974
01:04:51,402 --> 01:04:53,981
especially if it's told convincingly
975
01:04:54,005 --> 01:04:56,694
to a young starstruck fan
976
01:04:56,718 --> 01:04:58,518
who wants to become the girlfriend
977
01:04:58,542 --> 01:05:00,849
of the famous Carlos Kaiser.
978
01:05:03,207 --> 01:05:05,430
He isn't Kaiser to me
979
01:05:05,454 --> 01:05:07,209
he is Carlos Henrique to me.
980
01:05:07,233 --> 01:05:10,946
I think I'm the only person
who calls him 'Carlos'.
981
01:05:10,970 --> 01:05:14,228
Back then he was a Vasco player.
982
01:05:14,252 --> 01:05:18,543
It's incredible. I never saw Carlos
train, I never saw Carlos play
983
01:05:18,567 --> 01:05:20,080
unless it was on video.
984
01:05:23,955 --> 01:05:25,804
And I think it was Vasco vs Botafogo.
985
01:05:25,828 --> 01:05:29,398
He came on from the bench, dribbled,
986
01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:31,910
and scored an amazing goal.
987
01:05:31,934 --> 01:05:33,340
Goal for Vasco.
988
01:05:33,364 --> 01:05:35,254
Take another look at
that great skill by Henrique!
989
01:05:35,278 --> 01:05:36,658
Perfect run
990
01:05:36,682 --> 01:05:38,981
followed by a clinical
finish. 1-0 to Vasco.
991
01:05:39,937 --> 01:05:42,156
He always said that
he was a centre-half.
992
01:05:42,180 --> 01:05:45,146
He would say that he scored a
winning goal for Vasco.
993
01:05:46,121 --> 01:05:47,761
They had a centre-half called Henrique,
994
01:05:48,726 --> 01:05:51,206
and since he is called Carlos
Henrique it might have been him.
995
01:05:52,508 --> 01:05:55,369
There was another Henrique
who played for Vasco and looked like him.
996
01:05:56,115 --> 01:05:58,641
He had the same physique as him.
997
01:05:58,665 --> 01:06:02,259
He gave me a VHS tape and I
think I still have that tape.
998
01:06:02,283 --> 01:06:04,994
I can show it to you,
but it's priceless
999
01:06:05,772 --> 01:06:07,639
because not even he has it anymore.
1000
01:06:07,663 --> 01:06:09,018
Don't take this the wrong way,
1001
01:06:09,042 --> 01:06:11,712
but are you sure it was actually
him scoring the goal?
1002
01:06:12,246 --> 01:06:13,246
Yes.
1003
01:06:14,247 --> 01:06:15,247
I'm sure.
1004
01:06:16,087 --> 01:06:18,600
How do you mean? I didn't get the question.
1005
01:06:24,984 --> 01:06:28,969
He had a DVD of his highlights.
1006
01:06:28,993 --> 01:06:30,286
I don't know how.
1007
01:06:30,775 --> 01:06:33,495
He never showed me, but he told me
that there are goals of his on it.
1008
01:06:34,134 --> 01:06:35,602
I don't understand.
1009
01:06:36,083 --> 01:06:38,928
I don't know if he put his head
on somebody else's body.
1010
01:06:40,985 --> 01:06:42,696
Pretending to be a Vasco player
1011
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,443
is relatively easy.
1012
01:06:44,467 --> 01:06:47,742
Actually becoming one is
another thing entirely.
1013
01:06:48,765 --> 01:06:51,122
Especially at a time
when Vasco's players
1014
01:06:51,146 --> 01:06:53,937
made up a large part of the national side.
1015
01:06:55,517 --> 01:06:56,765
He was at Vasco with me too.
1016
01:06:57,362 --> 01:06:58,578
Same kind of faking.
1017
01:06:59,357 --> 01:07:01,770
I already knew Kaiser
from the Flamengo days.
1018
01:07:02,182 --> 01:07:05,742
But I didn't say anything. When
he came there I didn't say anything.
1019
01:07:08,011 --> 01:07:13,321
He turned up at Vasco with another player
who he was friends with.
1020
01:07:13,345 --> 01:07:17,036
We began a friendship with him,
1021
01:07:17,060 --> 01:07:21,994
and we started to encourage him
to work and train at Vasco
1022
01:07:22,018 --> 01:07:25,533
something which never happened
because he was always injured.
1023
01:07:30,755 --> 01:07:33,397
After six
months of Kaiser's injuries,
1024
01:07:33,421 --> 01:07:35,875
Vasco had exhausted all
the traditional methods
1025
01:07:35,899 --> 01:07:37,332
of treatment.
1026
01:07:37,356 --> 01:07:41,432
The only thing left now,
was divine intervention.
1027
01:07:42,859 --> 01:07:44,884
The black magic priest Pai Santana
1028
01:07:44,908 --> 01:07:48,319
performed rituals on me so
my bruises would heal.
1029
01:07:50,277 --> 01:07:52,335
Because we wanted
to get him on the pitch
1030
01:07:52,359 --> 01:07:57,065
we would ask Pai Santana
to call upon the Gods
1031
01:07:57,089 --> 01:07:59,714
to get Kaiser to train.
1032
01:08:00,871 --> 01:08:05,053
Pai Santana had all his spells.
1033
01:08:05,342 --> 01:08:07,032
And he went to work on him there.
1034
01:08:07,922 --> 01:08:10,189
I already knew he was faking it.
1035
01:08:10,746 --> 01:08:14,662
I went up to him and said:
"Take your money, mate."
1036
01:08:14,686 --> 01:08:18,132
"There's nothing wrong with me. Take your
money and don't bother doing your thing"
1037
01:08:18,156 --> 01:08:20,803
"I intend to stay injured
for the rest of my life."
1038
01:08:22,691 --> 01:08:24,562
That was such a funny day.
1039
01:08:25,762 --> 01:08:27,874
Pai Santana had failed.
1040
01:08:27,898 --> 01:08:31,500
Kaiser had even managed
to defeat the gods,
1041
01:08:31,524 --> 01:08:34,436
but he was now a Vasco
player and he wanted
1042
01:08:34,460 --> 01:08:35,748
to let everyone know.
1043
01:08:35,772 --> 01:08:39,260
Not on the pitch of
course, but on Brazil's
1044
01:08:39,284 --> 01:08:41,473
biggest football analysis program.
1045
01:08:41,497 --> 01:08:42,587
Mesa Redonda,
1046
01:08:43,466 --> 01:08:46,261
broadcast to millions every Sunday night.
1047
01:08:47,217 --> 01:08:49,317
This was prime time television.
1048
01:08:49,341 --> 01:08:51,405
Only the best would appear on this show.
1049
01:08:52,561 --> 01:08:55,942
I spent 14 years on that time-slot.
1050
01:08:57,009 --> 01:09:01,911
At the table during Mesa Redonda
there were a lot of guests.
1051
01:09:01,935 --> 01:09:06,178
The big players like Romario,
Edmundo, Renato.
1052
01:09:06,202 --> 01:09:08,453
They never refused to come on.
1053
01:09:08,477 --> 01:09:10,678
So, Carlos Kaiser is a footballer.
1054
01:09:10,702 --> 01:09:12,947
He had a stint at Vasco,
1055
01:09:12,971 --> 01:09:15,541
and he's still contracted to
a club in Corsica.
1056
01:09:15,565 --> 01:09:21,503
So, I don't remember that character.
Do you have a video?
1057
01:09:21,527 --> 01:09:24,728
I'd been at Ajaccio for two seasons
but I wanted to come back here.
1058
01:09:24,752 --> 01:09:26,296
That's when I came to Vasco.
1059
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:30,367
I researched him. He said he
played for Flamengo.
1060
01:09:30,391 --> 01:09:33,748
How would I not have heard of him if
he'd played for Flamengo?
1061
01:09:33,772 --> 01:09:36,929
"So, we finally found a place, and she
turned to me and said..."
1062
01:09:36,953 --> 01:09:38,428
"She was in that period."
1063
01:09:38,452 --> 01:09:41,486
"It's so sad that period that
girls go through."
1064
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:44,211
There's a term that football
commentators use which is
1065
01:09:44,235 --> 01:09:46,091
"a player the fans don't notice."
1066
01:09:46,115 --> 01:09:49,021
Kaiser was never noticed by the fans.
1067
01:09:49,045 --> 01:09:51,648
"When the pitch is wet, I can shoot
from behind the goal."
1068
01:09:53,283 --> 01:09:56,724
Nowadays if a proposal like
that came to us
1069
01:09:56,748 --> 01:09:59,478
we'd go on Google and investigate.
1070
01:10:37,195 --> 01:10:40,299
We're at the Clube dos Macacos in Horto
1071
01:10:40,323 --> 01:10:42,250
in the south zone of Rio de Janeiro.
1072
01:10:42,274 --> 01:10:47,947
And it's a very famous club where people
come to play football at the weekend.
1073
01:10:47,971 --> 01:10:50,464
Not that many people come here,
1074
01:10:50,488 --> 01:10:55,786
but it was somewhere Kaiser
used to come a lot.
1075
01:10:58,361 --> 01:11:02,414
When I went to France in 1986
I came back for the holidays.
1076
01:11:02,438 --> 01:11:06,473
My brother was living in my apartment
and was good friends with Kaiser,
1077
01:11:06,497 --> 01:11:09,357
and he started to get close to me,
1078
01:11:09,381 --> 01:11:15,179
and asked if I had a souvenir from
Ajaccio like a shirt or a card
1079
01:11:15,203 --> 01:11:18,516
something that he could
relate to football.
1080
01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:22,336
Then we became friends and
went to nightclubs.
1081
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:27,277
And he started saying that he was
an Ajaccio player with me.
1082
01:11:30,614 --> 01:11:36,536
And it was right where he took those
photos as if he were training at Ajaccio.
1083
01:11:37,977 --> 01:11:40,739
You can see in those photos that
it's exactly this same pitch.
1084
01:11:40,763 --> 01:11:44,578
Some things have changed but it's mostly
the same with all the trees.
1085
01:11:45,885 --> 01:11:49,016
Anybody in the industry would
know that it was a fake.
1086
01:11:49,638 --> 01:11:51,750
First of all, he's wearing a match shirt.
1087
01:11:51,774 --> 01:11:55,867
A training shirt isn't for a match. You're
not going to train with a match shirt.
1088
01:11:56,734 --> 01:11:59,091
Obviously, a professional footballer
would look at the pictures,
1089
01:11:59,115 --> 01:12:00,714
and just see him in the photo.
1090
01:12:00,738 --> 01:12:03,971
It looks kind of weird
because at training
1091
01:12:03,995 --> 01:12:06,331
you usually have loads of players around.
1092
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:12,384
All the little tricks and mannerisms
the professional players had
1093
01:12:12,408 --> 01:12:16,100
he was already using.
1094
01:12:16,124 --> 01:12:19,603
Let's imagine that he was
studying for a degree.
1095
01:12:19,627 --> 01:12:25,452
He would have nailed the theory
side of being a footballer.
1096
01:12:28,210 --> 01:12:31,536
Really funny. Him calling for the ball.
1097
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:35,362
Pass the fucking ball!
1098
01:12:43,325 --> 01:12:48,163
From now on I would rather
tell the complete truth.
1099
01:12:49,284 --> 01:12:54,358
Kaiser never set foot in Ajaccio,
not in the city or the airport.
1100
01:13:18,296 --> 01:13:21,487
After the first few recordings we did
1101
01:13:21,511 --> 01:13:25,174
he called me the following day
and asked if you guys
1102
01:13:25,198 --> 01:13:28,132
had actually come and done
an interview with me.
1103
01:13:28,156 --> 01:13:31,218
I told him I had and
that I'd told the truth.
1104
01:13:31,242 --> 01:13:35,202
I have my own reputation to think about,
I worked and lived there for five years,
1105
01:13:35,783 --> 01:13:40,817
and I can't tarnish my name to
promote Carlos Kaiser's lie.
1106
01:13:40,841 --> 01:13:43,546
He got really pissed off
and didn't call me again.
1107
01:13:51,116 --> 01:13:53,343
He denies it now so if he
doesn't admit that fact.
1108
01:13:55,099 --> 01:13:57,167
I'm not going to be the one to
1109
01:13:59,586 --> 01:14:00,806
dispute that.
1110
01:14:00,830 --> 01:14:02,108
Everybody knows.
1111
01:14:02,742 --> 01:14:06,186
I was taken by a Brazilian called
Fabio Barros, Fabinho.
1112
01:14:06,210 --> 01:14:07,875
It was a Brazilian that recommended me.
1113
01:14:09,675 --> 01:14:12,221
Whom I don't even feel
like naming anymore.
1114
01:14:13,948 --> 01:14:15,694
He recommended me.
1115
01:14:16,484 --> 01:14:18,167
He oversaw the deal.
1116
01:14:18,191 --> 01:14:20,608
And I ended up going to Corsica.
To Ajaccio.
1117
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,947
I let him live out
his fantasy here in Rio,
1118
01:14:29,971 --> 01:14:35,021
but to say that he was there is
too much. I can't.
1119
01:14:35,045 --> 01:14:37,228
But I think he still has
it stuck in his head.
1120
01:14:37,252 --> 01:14:38,579
He still believes it.
1121
01:14:41,388 --> 01:14:43,671
When it came to
1122
01:14:44,998 --> 01:14:48,935
getting the chance to appear alongside
the best players of the era.
1123
01:14:48,959 --> 01:14:51,003
He wanted that.
1124
01:14:51,027 --> 01:14:53,758
This is Kaiser speaking.
From Rio de Janeiro.
1125
01:15:00,958 --> 01:15:04,342
If he didn't want to talk about
Ajaccio he should just say so
1126
01:15:04,366 --> 01:15:06,859
"I don't want to talk about that."
1127
01:15:06,883 --> 01:15:08,483
And that would be that.
1128
01:15:12,791 --> 01:15:15,989
I think Corsica is one of the most
beautiful places on earth.
1129
01:15:16,013 --> 01:15:18,174
He would ask me what life
was like in Corsica…
1130
01:15:18,198 --> 01:15:19,373
What the diet was like.
1131
01:15:19,397 --> 01:15:21,637
What the climate was like, what
the club's situation was.
1132
01:15:23,655 --> 01:15:27,051
I respect and admire Corsica.
I think Corsicans
1133
01:15:28,543 --> 01:15:31,197
are amazing. An oppressed people.
1134
01:15:34,192 --> 01:15:36,787
He could eventually use
that information
1135
01:15:36,811 --> 01:15:40,818
in sporting interviews
that he might give.
1136
01:15:40,842 --> 01:15:43,564
I was sold to Ajaccio in Corsica.
1137
01:15:43,588 --> 01:15:45,325
In French it's: 'Ajaccienne'
1138
01:15:48,056 --> 01:15:50,589
I have nothing to say about
Corsica and Ajaccio.
1139
01:15:51,857 --> 01:15:55,030
It's a historical city.
1140
01:15:55,054 --> 01:15:57,246
An innately tough people.
1141
01:15:57,270 --> 01:16:00,895
A people that were born
fighting for their values.
1142
01:16:04,241 --> 01:16:07,079
Ajaccio has nothing.
Ajaccio is a dead island.
1143
01:16:07,103 --> 01:16:09,307
Speaking about Corsica is difficult.
1144
01:16:09,331 --> 01:16:11,708
"How do they speak there?"
1145
01:16:11,732 --> 01:16:12,740
Comment ca-va?
1146
01:16:12,764 --> 01:16:13,740
Tu va bien?
1147
01:16:13,764 --> 01:16:14,317
Comment ca-va?
1148
01:16:14,341 --> 01:16:15,133
Tu va bien?
1149
01:16:15,157 --> 01:16:16,912
"Je t'aime. I love you."
1150
01:16:16,936 --> 01:16:19,894
Which was the phrase he'd use
with the ladies. "Je t'aime."
1151
01:16:20,484 --> 01:16:21,919
Speaking about Corsica is
1152
01:16:23,432 --> 01:16:24,677
a double edged sword.
1153
01:16:27,747 --> 01:16:30,904
The moment he asked for the card
I knew what it was for
1154
01:16:30,928 --> 01:16:32,527
he'd already told me...
1155
01:16:32,551 --> 01:16:36,606
"That card is one of the most important
documents I have in my wallet."
1156
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:38,889
He knew that was like a status symbol.
1157
01:16:38,913 --> 01:16:41,861
It was like having a footballing contract.
1158
01:16:51,220 --> 01:16:54,399
He knew that in Corsica and in
the south of France…
1159
01:16:54,423 --> 01:16:56,831
There was an Italian influence
from the Corsican Mafia.
1160
01:16:57,148 --> 01:16:58,548
I can't talk about the Corsicans
1161
01:16:58,939 --> 01:17:02,524
because they'll send somebody
to assassinate me.
1162
01:17:02,548 --> 01:17:06,392
So, he made up that Mancini was
part of the Corsican mafia.
1163
01:17:06,416 --> 01:17:08,641
That's all made up.
That's not true.
1164
01:17:08,665 --> 01:17:10,584
That's a story created in his head.
1165
01:17:15,033 --> 01:17:16,759
It's a team that always fought.
1166
01:17:18,216 --> 01:17:20,192
A team that even in defeat
1167
01:17:20,216 --> 01:17:22,348
the players would give
everything to win.
1168
01:17:24,662 --> 01:17:25,662
I think Corsica
1169
01:17:27,152 --> 01:17:28,152
is another world.
1170
01:17:29,321 --> 01:17:30,321
Understood?
1171
01:17:31,934 --> 01:17:36,030
I can guarantee you that he
benefited a lot more than I did
1172
01:17:36,054 --> 01:17:39,024
from having played in Corsica.
1173
01:17:39,302 --> 01:17:41,569
I didn't get onto the programmes
he did in Rio,
1174
01:17:41,593 --> 01:17:43,427
or go to the places where he went.
1175
01:17:43,451 --> 01:17:48,006
And then he gave one of the most
famous commentators in Brazil
1176
01:17:48,030 --> 01:17:50,732
the Ajaccio shirt which I'd given
to him as a present.
1177
01:17:54,847 --> 01:17:59,808
You could even say he was the Fabinho
here in Brazil that I never was.
1178
01:18:04,579 --> 01:18:05,579
It's difficult.
1179
01:18:07,057 --> 01:18:08,692
You can't understand humans.
1180
01:18:12,874 --> 01:18:15,404
I took part in this documentary
to tell the truth.
1181
01:18:15,944 --> 01:18:17,464
This is a documentary about the truth.
1182
01:18:18,568 --> 01:18:22,003
If you want to talk about a genuine person
I'll talk about Alexandre Couto.
1183
01:18:22,027 --> 01:18:25,350
"Alex, that guy never plays. I already
knew that was going to happen..."
1184
01:18:29,176 --> 01:18:30,861
Everything Alexandre says is true.
1185
01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:33,221
He speaks the truth.
1186
01:18:33,749 --> 01:18:35,218
He's not two-faced.
1187
01:18:35,242 --> 01:18:38,958
It was like a wing of protection
around Kaiser.
1188
01:18:39,403 --> 01:18:42,629
It's authentic. Alexandre is genuine.
He's not two-faced.
1189
01:18:55,275 --> 01:18:57,346
Was Kaiser ever at Ajaccio?
1190
01:18:58,141 --> 01:18:59,141
Never.
1191
01:19:11,808 --> 01:19:13,034
He never played for Ajaccio.
1192
01:19:15,103 --> 01:19:17,762
I did have a conversation with
Alexandre after the first interview he did.
1193
01:19:17,786 --> 01:19:19,825
When he said that you guys
wanted to speak with me.
1194
01:19:19,849 --> 01:19:22,573
And I said "Alexandre, there's only one
way I'm doing that interview."
1195
01:19:22,597 --> 01:19:25,765
"Me telling the truth as far as I know it."
1196
01:19:25,789 --> 01:19:29,741
"I'm not going to be saying things that
really didn't happen there."
1197
01:19:29,765 --> 01:19:32,231
Every player knows that story is a lie.
1198
01:19:32,843 --> 01:19:36,585
Especially because they know
my story and Fabinho's story.
1199
01:19:36,609 --> 01:19:39,843
So, they all know he was
never at Ajaccio.
1200
01:19:39,867 --> 01:19:41,516
I love Kaiser to bits.
1201
01:19:41,540 --> 01:19:45,116
That's the truth. He became a great
friend for many years.
1202
01:19:45,828 --> 01:19:50,969
And we've always gone out of our
way to indulge his fantasy.
1203
01:19:50,993 --> 01:19:56,459
He lives off that because his daily
bread are these football stories.
1204
01:19:56,483 --> 01:19:58,149
He lives off that.
1205
01:19:58,173 --> 01:20:02,078
So, we sometimes play along
with his fantasy...
1206
01:20:02,102 --> 01:20:07,179
Kaiser is a football fan. He wanted to be
a footballer his whole life.
1207
01:20:07,203 --> 01:20:10,398
And there comes a time when
people have to tell the truth.
1208
01:20:10,422 --> 01:20:12,023
What's true and what isn't.
1209
01:20:12,735 --> 01:20:14,237
What he did and didn't do.
1210
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:34,328
Kaiser. Are you a proud man?
1211
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:36,640
No.
1212
01:20:38,353 --> 01:20:39,437
If I was proud.
1213
01:20:40,816 --> 01:20:43,213
I wouldn't be showing the
world my reality
1214
01:20:44,523 --> 01:20:45,563
which is very different
1215
01:20:46,888 --> 01:20:48,895
from when I was in football.
1216
01:20:53,299 --> 01:20:56,351
I'm very damaged.
I'm a very damaged person.
1217
01:20:58,664 --> 01:21:01,467
That's maybe why I've lived other
people's lives so much.
1218
01:21:02,090 --> 01:21:03,090
Of the players.
1219
01:21:05,605 --> 01:21:08,406
It was so I didn't have to stop
and think about my life.
1220
01:21:08,430 --> 01:21:10,457
Because if I stopped to
think about my life.
1221
01:21:11,302 --> 01:21:13,093
I think I would have done something stupid.
1222
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,536
When I was ten my dream
was to play football.
1223
01:21:19,758 --> 01:21:22,850
But I wanted to be a footballer to
make money for myself
1224
01:21:27,388 --> 01:21:30,908
to get out of the dump that I lived in.
1225
01:21:32,821 --> 01:21:37,325
There was so much adversity and
so much back-stabbing.
1226
01:21:39,683 --> 01:21:41,819
You either become a scammer or a sucker.
1227
01:21:44,621 --> 01:21:45,941
My adoptive mum was an alcoholic.
1228
01:21:47,691 --> 01:21:51,937
She died of cirrhosis and
she weighed 200 kilos.
1229
01:21:55,719 --> 01:21:58,477
And then I was left with
two elderly aunts
1230
01:22:00,657 --> 01:22:01,769
very old who were
1231
01:22:10,578 --> 01:22:12,580
who were cleaning ladies.
1232
01:22:17,852 --> 01:22:22,676
So then I had to take football a bit
more seriously to bring money home,
1233
01:22:22,700 --> 01:22:26,288
so those two women wouldn't suffer.
1234
01:22:32,561 --> 01:22:36,921
Then all of a sudden a
girl tells me she's pregnant,
1235
01:22:39,991 --> 01:22:43,149
and my son was born
even without living with me.
1236
01:22:46,351 --> 01:22:47,999
I didn't give my son any love.
1237
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,212
I don't think I deserve to
be anybody's father.
1238
01:22:54,490 --> 01:22:57,836
I don't deserve to be
anybody's son or father.
1239
01:23:01,128 --> 01:23:03,217
I tried to be a normal guy.
I tried to get married.
1240
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:07,376
I tried to have a family life.
1241
01:23:09,117 --> 01:23:10,824
Something I didn't have
when I was young.
1242
01:23:15,434 --> 01:23:17,080
And then my son dies.
1243
01:23:18,838 --> 01:23:21,327
Then I get married and my wife dies.
1244
01:23:21,351 --> 01:23:23,997
I get married to another
woman and she dies.
1245
01:23:24,021 --> 01:23:27,001
I wake up one day with no sight in one eye.
1246
01:23:29,026 --> 01:23:30,026
Fuck.
1247
01:23:33,475 --> 01:23:35,119
In Buddhism they would say
1248
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:39,902
that I lost my vision in order to
see the world a different way.
1249
01:23:43,060 --> 01:23:44,862
People have an image that's completely
1250
01:23:46,530 --> 01:23:47,865
different from the reality.
1251
01:23:50,290 --> 01:23:53,515
Carlos Henrique is a man.
Carlos Kaiser is a character.
1252
01:23:56,007 --> 01:23:58,978
Carlos Kaiser only exists because
Renato Gaucho exists.
1253
01:24:01,792 --> 01:24:04,576
My mum didn't do a third of
what that guy did for me.
1254
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,360
And he doesn't do anything
anymore because.
1255
01:24:07,700 --> 01:24:08,770
I hide myself away.
1256
01:24:09,104 --> 01:24:12,461
Like I was hiding from the producers
of this documentary.
1257
01:24:56,742 --> 01:24:59,220
Whenever I can I help Kaiser out
1258
01:24:59,244 --> 01:25:03,068
he knows that and there's
no ulterior motive.
1259
01:25:05,380 --> 01:25:09,038
There are things that I would avoid
talking about with him,
1260
01:25:09,062 --> 01:25:16,466
for example his son, because I didn't
want to dwell on the subject.
1261
01:25:18,222 --> 01:25:20,964
Him having that photo at home
doesn't surprise me at all
1262
01:25:20,988 --> 01:25:22,228
being the kind of person he is.
1263
01:25:23,588 --> 01:25:31,588
It's a recognition of the family
that he didn't have.
1264
01:25:33,721 --> 01:25:39,934
That flatters me. That makes me
happy and very moved.
1265
01:25:39,958 --> 01:25:43,884
It's actually difficult to explain it,
to talk about.
1266
01:25:44,211 --> 01:25:47,708
Because not everybody says: "You're
more important than my family."
1267
01:25:51,883 --> 01:25:53,211
I live one day at time.
1268
01:25:54,733 --> 01:25:58,352
Today you've managed to strip me down.
1269
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,513
Yesterday I was really
pissed off because
1270
01:26:03,537 --> 01:26:05,971
somebody I thought was a friend
denied something.
1271
01:26:05,995 --> 01:26:08,863
Fine. Everybody has their own
fears. I have mine too.
1272
01:26:09,790 --> 01:26:11,585
I can't be criticised,
1273
01:26:13,380 --> 01:26:15,346
or the friendships I had.
1274
01:26:15,370 --> 01:26:17,814
Something good had to come my way.
1275
01:26:17,838 --> 01:26:20,896
I could have exploited the opportunities.
I didn't harm anybody.
1276
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:24,764
There's not one person. You've interviewed
between 20 to 30 people
1277
01:26:24,788 --> 01:26:28,971
not one has said that I'm a bad guy,
that I'm a drug addict,
1278
01:26:28,995 --> 01:26:31,156
or that I went into their house and stole.
1279
01:26:31,180 --> 01:26:33,287
I never took anything away from anybody.
1280
01:26:34,029 --> 01:26:35,433
Life stole from me.
1281
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:38,126
I started by losing my mother.
1282
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:44,057
Now people think I took this and that.
1283
01:26:45,149 --> 01:26:47,784
To take such a beating.
1284
01:26:48,291 --> 01:26:49,906
I didn't take anything from anybody.
1285
01:26:49,930 --> 01:26:53,832
I rode my luck. I didn't take anything.
1286
01:26:55,939 --> 01:26:58,476
That's all I took.
I took my luck.
1287
01:26:59,061 --> 01:27:00,270
Nothing from anybody.
1288
01:27:01,363 --> 01:27:03,485
They took something important
away from me.
1289
01:27:03,509 --> 01:27:04,705
They took my mother away.
1290
01:27:04,729 --> 01:27:07,486
They took away the woman I married.
They took my son away.
1291
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:09,472
I don't make anybody answer for that.
1292
01:27:09,496 --> 01:27:12,913
I don't make God answer for it. I don't
ask my friends to answer for it.
1293
01:27:13,498 --> 01:27:14,519
Fuck!
1294
01:27:14,543 --> 01:27:18,103
Why do I have to suffer so much?
1295
01:27:30,394 --> 01:27:34,475
That Carlos Kaiser who went
out to the best places
1296
01:27:37,324 --> 01:27:40,836
that guy was built on strong legs.
1297
01:27:44,191 --> 01:27:46,262
Because Carlos Henrique
1298
01:27:49,931 --> 01:27:51,487
jumped over a lot of hurdles.
1299
01:27:52,148 --> 01:27:53,212
Lots.
1300
01:27:56,855 --> 01:27:58,799
I want success for those people
who believed
1301
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:02,155
in my story.
1302
01:28:05,898 --> 01:28:10,339
And that my story serves as a positive
example, not a negative one.
1303
01:28:11,861 --> 01:28:12,861
For the world.
1304
01:28:14,457 --> 01:28:17,403
But if you intend to talk
1305
01:28:19,042 --> 01:28:21,680
tell the truth from beginning to end.
1306
01:28:21,704 --> 01:28:25,065
I intended that, so I'm
here ready to be judged.
1307
01:28:25,089 --> 01:28:26,089
Which is difficult.
1308
01:28:30,381 --> 01:28:33,262
It's almost 13 years
since this story ended.
1309
01:28:36,688 --> 01:28:38,537
And it's only come out now.
1310
01:28:38,561 --> 01:28:42,722
Never. Not one reporter,
player or director.
1311
01:28:42,746 --> 01:28:46,346
It goes to show how much
these guys respect me
1312
01:28:46,370 --> 01:28:50,048
that nobody ever put me away.
1313
01:28:50,097 --> 01:28:53,072
Now these stories have come to light.
1314
01:28:58,769 --> 01:29:01,540
I swear on my eyes
1315
01:29:01,564 --> 01:29:03,006
easily 1000 women.
1316
01:29:09,913 --> 01:29:12,585
You know today is the hardest
day to do this.
1317
01:29:19,764 --> 01:29:23,237
Today was the toughest
day of the documentary.
1318
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:26,470
It was the day of talking
about my suffering.
1319
01:29:26,494 --> 01:29:27,703
But that's ok.
1320
01:29:31,098 --> 01:29:34,039
If the world has to look into my eyes...
1321
01:29:34,063 --> 01:29:35,741
Here it is.
1322
01:29:58,061 --> 01:30:00,255
It was like a fairy-tale.
1323
01:30:03,845 --> 01:30:08,309
You take a character and let him
live in the football world.
1324
01:30:08,855 --> 01:30:14,458
And what I think is great, is that people
didn't crush the guy's dream.
1325
01:30:19,433 --> 01:30:27,070
A fantastic character who
there are no words to describe.
1326
01:30:27,094 --> 01:30:33,298
He's part of my whole life story.
1327
01:30:33,689 --> 01:30:36,693
And he has a black brother here.
1328
01:30:43,639 --> 01:30:45,082
Just a moment please.
1329
01:30:48,282 --> 01:30:49,882
I didn't know he was having problems.
1330
01:31:18,172 --> 01:31:19,600
Carlos Kaiser is unique.
1331
01:31:20,420 --> 01:31:21,605
He's unique.
1332
01:31:21,629 --> 01:31:24,132
He always has been and
always will be unique.
1333
01:31:24,156 --> 01:31:26,361
Nobody will come close to him.
1334
01:31:26,385 --> 01:31:30,458
He was the greatest footballer
never to have played football.
1335
01:31:30,482 --> 01:31:32,053
In history, without a doubt.
1336
01:31:32,384 --> 01:31:33,384
Unbeatable.
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