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All right.

It's for Jessica Starling and Joshua Lewis.

Hello.

Can you come in? Thank you.

Jessica. Jessica. Jessica.

Thank you. Have a seat. Thank you. And Joshua.

Josh. Yeah, Josh.

Jessica and Josh.

Well, hello. It's very nice to meet you.

My name is Dr.

Penny Barber.

I have been practicing family therapy for about, you

know, 16 months now.

And I love it. My passion is very into it.

And I was wondering if you'd be willing to tell me a little bit about yourself,

Jessica.

There's his father a few years ago.

It's been working out very well for me.

So you're his stepmom? Yes, I am his stepmom.

If you can sense, there's a little bit of tension there.

Okay. Yeah, well, I like to go to the country club.

I like to have a glass of wine.

And I like to go shopping with my girlfriends.

Those all sound like lovely, lovely diversions.

So, are you working right now?

No. No? No. Okay. No. I don't have time for that. I mean, between getting my

nails done and my hair appointments and shopping, and I just, I really need to

have about four to five glasses of wine a day. I'm just not myself, you know.

Four to five glasses of wine per day?

Okay. Are you writing that down?

I'm not writing it down, actually. I like to take my notes digitally with the

camera.

That's not going to go anywhere, is it?

No, no, no. It's like a private file. Just think of it as a digital version of

notebook. Okay.

But, Joshua, you're so quiet over there.

What do you like to do? I really want to be here.

Okay. Well, that's all right. Thank you for coming.

Yeah, no problem.

Okay.

So, yeah, I play sports.

Okay.

I take a bunch of math classes right now.

All right. Cool.

What's your sport?

Football. Football? Yeah. Oh, okay. All right.

And how old are you? I just turned 18 not too long ago. Okay. Yeah. All right.

Yeah, I like hanging out with girls, working out, and, you know, just playing

sports and hanging out with friends.

Okay.

And, Joshua, why would you say that you're here today?

My mom.

Right? Mm -hmm.

Your mom?

Um, for some reason, it's always just... very tense around her and she seems

aggravated and she doesn't want me around.

This was his father's idea.

Okay. You are with my dad.

Yes.

Okay. I always see this.

Well, okay. So things are tense.

Yeah.

Jessica, what would you say is the underlying reason for your visit today?

He just doesn't fit my lifestyle.

He's always just there, doing things.

And I come from, you know, a certain kind of

society, and I just feel like he's not part of that.

And, you know, he's a teenage boy, you know.

Yes.

Yeah.

He is a teenage boy. Grown woman. Yeah.

Mm -hmm.

Just, it's okay, I've already said this to you, he's kind of a loser.

Okay. I just, ugh.

Joshua, how do you feel about the use of that word?

Um, I honestly think what she meant to say was she uses my dad for money.

Oh, my God.

All right.

How does that... Okay, so I use his dad for money. Okay, well,

maybe his dad uses me for my hot young buddy. I don't know.

But we are very happily married. I will let you both know.

We have a very active sex life.

Okay, I mean, that's...

Healthy in a marriage? It is.

Maybe not Joshua's favorite thing to hear.

No. You can put in headphones.

Alright, okay.

Or you can not sound like a obnoxious porn star when you're doing it with him.

My house is one sound.

So there is a lot of tension at home.

Yeah, she sounds like screeching tires.

That is a very specific criticism.

Wow.

I never knew you were listening so closely.

Here's what, let's try something, because I feel like we're just kind of

we are getting into it here.

So I have an idea of something that I would like to try with the both of you,

you're open to it.

It's like a little game, and what it does is it requires both of you

to say something nice about the other one.

There's just some more rules to it, but that's the basic premise of the game.

That's the first part.

Okay? I don't know if I have anything to say.

Whoever wins, whoever wins the game gets to know that they won the game because

they won. I do like to win.

That's something that you can do, right?

Yeah, I am good at winning.

Okay, so you can focus?

Mm -hmm. All right, so are we going to play?

I suppose so.

I suppose so, because it's required, and your father made it quite clear that

this is an ultimatum, so.

That was his dad's idea with therapy or else?

Or else, indeed.

Okay, well, you know, it sounds like he kind of agrees with you that he wants

things to be harmonious.

At home? I mean, that would be nice for both of you, wouldn't it? Like, this

isn't like a fun state to exist in, this tent.

No, it's giving me forehead wrinkles. I could get another Botox appointment.

Yeah, we don't want to load up on Botox if we don't have to. No.

All right.

Well, it sounds like you're both okay with the idea of playing my little game.

Okay.

So, let's have both of you stand up right where you are.

Okay.

And, Mom, let's have you say...

Done. Josh, let's have you face Jessica.

And we need eye contact.

Okay. Yeah. It can be a little bit awkward just looking someone right in

eyes like this. A little.

But you two are family.

You can do this. You should be doing this every day. Lots of eye contact.

Right? Making eye contact.

Very good. Eye contact, okay?

Yeah. Excellent.

Now.

Do I have a volunteer to go first, or am I going to flip a coin here?

Either way is fine. I'll do it. You'll do it. Okay.

Jessica's going first.

While maintaining eye contact with Joshua, with the sun, I want to hear one

nice thing.

Oh, boy.

Just one.

Well, there's one thing.

Okay.

I don't know if it is quite appropriate to say, but I guess we are in therapy.

Okay.

One day, Joshua was taking a shower, and he left the door open.

And I walked by, and I happened to see something that I was not quite

He was masturbating.

Okay.

It's okay, eye contact.

It's okay, eye contact. As I said before, I have a very active sex life

father. I noticed he's quite

more endowed than his father is.

What does that mean?

Can you clarify?

Yeah, you have a big dick.

You have a big dick. You have a really big dick.

Okay. I guess that's a compliment, right?

That's a good thing.

I would say that's a good thing. Okay. All right. Good.

We are getting right into it. We are diving right in.

Okay.

I don't know how I feel about hearing that from my mom.

Well, you're the one who left the door open. Well, let's not focus on how

happened, but just in general.

Joshua, that's something that a young man might like to hear if it was from,

know, maybe a girl that you were interested in or something.

Right? That's a positive.

I would say that's a positive.

If I were you, I would love to have a big dick, as your mom puts it.

Okay.

Thank you, Mom.

Thank you, Mom.

No problem, son.

Okay. All right. That was so good. Jessica, that was so specific.

And you both, you know, maintained eye contact throughout it. That was great.

You did it. A little bit lighter.

A little bit lighter?

Yeah. That was great. You got right into it. That was so much easier than I

thought it was going to be.

Which means that somebody else turned.

Yeah, my turn.

Mm -hmm.

Okay, eye contact, deep breath, and?

You have big tits.

Oh.

Well, I'm not exactly hiding them, am I?

All right. And I think about fucking them a lot.

Oh. Oh, well. Okay. Well, that's more.

That's more.

We got right into it. You two are doing... I've wanted to say that for so

All the work. Okay.

Oh. Okay.

Thank you. Oh, thank you, Joshua, for...

saying that I have big tits and that you want to fuck them. You're welcome, Mom.

All right.

You know, I was going to have us go for a few rounds, but I can't imagine

anything stopping that.

Good job.

Good job.

Give yourselves a round of applause. That was awesome.

Yeah. I think I get to feel a little bit better.

Well, now we have a whole lot to talk about.

You two can both sit back down if you like. Thank you.

That was very specific.

Okay.

How are you feeling, Jessica?

You know, I feel like I've gotten something off of my large chest,

Okay. So, you know.

Did you know that you felt that way?

Well. I've seen him looking, certainly, but, you know, there's a lot to look at.

But I didn't know he felt like that, quite specifically.

Can I ask, um, is this what you're wearing? Did you dress up for therapy

or is this a daily outfit for you? I, well, I like to look gorgeous, you

know? I like to be well -dressed all the time. I don't like to go out in public.

Without my hair done, my nails done, my makeup done, and without my best outfit

on. Okay.

Your appearance is important to you. You take pride in your appearance.

Absolutely. So it must have felt nice to have that complimented.

Yes. Mm -hmm. It did.

Okay. I would say so, yes.

Mm -hmm.

And, Joshua, did you know that Mom had

seen your penis?

Mm -hmm.

No, you didn't know about that?

No, I've always, like, I didn't know it was big.

Okay. Well, you know, you're at the age where boys are figuring out how they

measure up, as it were.

Okay.

Do we feel like maybe the...

Well, let me start by saying that in my office, I really like to use the proper

words for things at all times. I really don't like to beat around the bush, and

I feel like sometimes that can take some easing into.

But I also feel like, you know, we've established a rapport so we can sort of

speak plainly, correctly, use proper words for things.

Are we feeling comfortable with that?

Yes. Okay.

So I was going to ask if...

You feel like the sexual tension between you two might be

underlying the tension tension.

You know, I haven't quite thought of it like that.

I suppose there is something there.

You know, something I can't help but notice. And then I try to

bottle up, I suppose.

I have been drinking more wine recently.

How do you feel about that?

Amazing. Oh, okay.

All right.

Excellent. So we have a wine mom in the house.

Mm -hmm. Okay.

I was reposting meals on Facebook.

Mm -hmm.

Joshua, how do you feel about that? Do you feel like there's been some sexual

tension? I mean, you mentioned thinking about your mom's breath in a

sexual way.

Yeah, I'm kind of jealous of my dad.

There's a lot to be jealous of.

All right, well, that's understandable.

How would you describe your mom's breath?

A lot bigger than the other girls in school.

Okay, a lot bigger than the other girls in school.

Well, I hope so.

Yeah, a term that kids use now is mommy milkers, and she definitely

has mommy milkers.

Okay.

Mommy milkers, that's a new one for me.

I'm not a hit and miss it with the kids anymore, I suppose.

I can see it, I know.

You know, I can see that term being... It occurs, yes.

But yeah, all right.

They're kind of like jugs, I guess.

That might be a word that you use.

Jugs.

What exactly is the age difference here?

Did you... Well... What's the age difference between you and his father?

he's 33 years my senior, but he has a lot of money.

Okay.

So I think that's sort of smooth things over, you know? Okay. So it's a

convenient relationship.

Yes, I mean, it is very convenient for me. But you also said it was very

physically affectionate. Oh, yes.

Oh, definitely, yes. I try to make sure I earn my keep, you know?

Okay. Yeah.

Well, Josh, it sounds like your dad is pretty happy with his relationship

with...

Your mom.

And, you know, I'm sure you'd like

that to change. Yeah, I want her to be nice to me.

So, what I'm hearing at this point is that there's some underlying sexual

tension at home.

There may be some jealousy, a little bit, Joshua.

And...

You said you feel like he doesn't fit into your lifestyle, Jessica.

Not quite.

But I could change him.

I think I could change him.

Can you be specific?

I think I could make him fit more into my life. And just change

a little bit here and there. Maybe not so much of the football type

stuff. Maybe...

I'd like to see you get a nice, well -paying job.

Not chasing the silly football thing.

And I'm in school, what do you expect?

I don't know.

Okay.

So it seems like perhaps, Jessica, you're imprinting a little bit on Joshua

be more like his father.

Yes, and yet, there is... It's so funny.

that his father is everything I want, except he's a

little lacking downstairs.

Oh, okay.

Which is why I'm not sure where, uh, Joshua got, um,

everything that he has, but who knows, I suppose?

All right. Oh,

goodness. You already hear us have sex.

Let's just, in this room, let's say that we can open things to discussion and

maybe use this as sort of like a chamber where we can work things out. And then

once we're out the door, we can have a different set of rules.

And, like, in here we can lay the groundwork for the rules.

So we can talk openly. Remember how I...

Talked about, like, using proper words for things and stuff like that. So we'll

speak openly in here, but then maybe outside of this room, Joshua might be

entitled to a little bit more subtlety.

Subtlety. Subtlety. I believe I can do that. Right. And you will know, Jessica,

that you will have somewhere that you can speak openly.

Of course.

Is that a compromise?

I think so.

Okay, and we'll just see how it works. And if it doesn't work, we can tweak it,

right? Mm -hmm.

Okay. Good to me.

So we have established that maybe there is some underlying sexual tension that

leads to more tension at home, some jealousy on Joshua's behalf, and

not exactly maybe jealousy on... Well, how

would you describe, Jessica, ultimately, how you feel?

I feel like you are saying that you are imprinting on Josh that you wish he was

more like his father, but also that your favorite thing about Josh thus far is

something that he has different from his father.

So maybe it's just a little bit of envy.

It's okay.

A little bit of envy.

Maybe on both sides a little bit. I just want the best of everything in every

department. I mean, it's what I deserve.

Okay. Why not have everything?

And has there been any acting on the sexual tension at all?

Goodness, no. I mean, I'm his mother, for goodness sake.

Well, okay. I mean, I guess so.

Can I ask why that's an enforcement?

Can you put into words, like, very specifically what the problem is?

What?

Wrong. Would it not?

Well, you know, ultimately, as a therapist, what we

talk about making someone healthy, there has to be an underlying harmony and

happiness.

Comfort. You know, it's one of the things that we're going to try to do

having this be like a safe space, and then out there we're going to have more

harmony, but then in here we can work through these.

these complex issues.

Yes. So sometimes what I like to do with my clients is

to allow them a space where they can explore maybe these more

taboo urges.

Okay.

And working them out in here can allow things to be a little bit more

relaxed, comfortable.

happy, healthy, out there in, you know, the real world.

So how would you two feel about playing another game?

Well,

it has to do with sort of reacting to each other without preconceived ideas.

Well, I'll write it.

Okay, I'm glad.

Good. All right.

Go ahead and give it a shot.

Okay, let's have everyone again stand up, please.

Someone took a volunteer to go first. Let's have a volunteer. Who's going to

first? I'm going to go first. You're going to go first this time? Okay.

Well, thank you very much, Joshua.

Let's have you, and with Jessica's consent,

I would like for Joshua to maybe explore.

I would like to have Joshua, please.

feel the part of Jessica's body that he is finding so distracting.

Oh. And entrancing.

I am not sure how this is supposed to, what this is supposed to do exactly.

Well, you know, it's something that you two haven't tried before, and I feel

like it would really help you release a lot of that tension to just kind of like

have a place where you can explore those urges.

And see if it really is a problem, if there's a big deal, if it changes

anything.

Oh. Oh.

Wow. Okay.

Is that still going to be recording?

I mean, I take full notes on all of my sessions.

I mean, it's just that it's going to catch me, like, touching my mom's boobs.

Yeah, it will. But, you know, I mean, it's not like I'm going to put it online

or anything. It just goes right into my encrypted file.

Okay. Ain't no big deal at all. Okay.

I am a professional. I wouldn't be suggesting it if I thought it was in any

a problem.

Okay. Are you okay with it, Joshua? Do you think that it's worth a shot? Worth

shot? Yeah.

And, you know, Jessica, if you decide you absolutely hate it, it's like it

didn't even happen, right?

Yeah.

Okay. All right. Worth a try. All right.

Looks like Josh is ready to go. Okay.

Do you have to go just deep breaths?

It's okay for both of you to talk about what you're feeling emotionally,

feeling, or physically.

Okay. Thank you.

Thank you, Josh.

Very squishy.

Yeah, they're real.

Probably didn't have to pay for that.

Okay. Okay.

Is that okay?

You don't have to stop if you don't want to. I mean, if you're finished, that's

fine, too. But if you'd like to get in there.

Interesting. What else can we do?

Well, I mean, you haven't even pulled her top down yet. Oh, oh, oh.

Well, you could certainly ask her.

Can I pull your top down, Mom?

Well, I've never been nude on film before.

Oh, I mean, it doesn't really count, you know?

I guess it's kind of fair if I'm choosing my wiener. I guess so.

Do you feel like that's fair, Joshua, that she saw you naked?

I would say it's fair.

Maybe it would make things less awkward?

Yeah.

Okay. That makes sense.

Okay. That makes sense.

Okay, then.

Oh, there they are.

Keep that dialogue going.

Yeah.

They're so, like, perfect.

Thank you. And huge.

Yeah. And big.

And everything I ever thought of when I see them bouncing across the room when

she walks.

I have noticed you looking.

And they're so bouncy.

Is there anything that you can say emotionally, Joshua, maybe about how

feeling?

It's definitely getting my blood pumping a lot more.

Okay, so excited, huh?

Excited. Yeah, kind of nervous.

Okay. Okay.

Definitely feeling a bit nervous.

Mm -hmm.

Yeah.

Feeling interesting.

Mm -hmm.

I like hearing, like, nice deep breaths while we're doing this. Everyone's

staying calm and wonderful.

How would you describe what you're feeling physically, Jessica?

Well, I like how you feel, Mom.

Okay.

It feels nice to have you obliged like that.

Okay. So not altogether horrible.

No. Actually kind of pleasant, physically.

Pleasant, that's a good word for it.

Physically pleasant, while maybe still a little bit of anxiety.

Yes. But physically pleasant.

Yes. Okay.

Is he supposed to continue grabbing me like that?

You know, I hadn't really thought to set a timer or anything, but do you feel

like you're ready for your turn?

Oh, I suppose.

So? Okay.

All right.

Well, not to interrupt Josh, but let's give Mom a turn.

Okay.

Although you might want to move your hands.

Oh. Oh.

Wait, what?

So you had mentioned wanting to maybe explore or experience a little bit.

Well, breaths are one thing, and that's... I feel like an entirely

matter. What's an entirely different matter? We're using proper words for

everything. Penis. Penis. Wait, you want my mom to touch my penis?

Well, I feel like she's seen it, and she's clearly just as curious about your

penis as you were about her breasts.

Well, I just... Was this an unpleasant experience?

Was this something that... Okay.

I just...

A little hesitation, I suppose.

Okay. I'm touching my, um, son's penis.

Mm -hmm.

Um. That's okay. Give what to your feelings?

His, um, large, engorged sex organ.

Mm -hmm. His prodigious phallus.

Yes.

Um, but, um, our, our.

This is going to help?

You know, I really do think that it is.

Like I said, I've been doing this for a while now, and it really comes up a lot

more often than you might think in family situations. Oh, wow. And although

things don't always, you know, progress down this specific route, a lot of times

breaking tension is the only way to be free of it. So I like to encourage my

clients to do it.

Explore things that might not be socially acceptable but are still

healthy to explore.

All right. I mean, if we... You know, I'm right here.

You know, it's a very clinical setting.

And Jessica, I understand your hesitation. I really do.

But I want you to focus.

And I want you to take every negative thought out of your mind.

And I want you to just focus on positive associations, indulgence, what exactly

is driving you towards Josh's penis.

And just forget about anything that might be holding you back. I know that's

lot to ask, but I think that you can do it.

Okay. Just, you know, remove those taboo associations if you need to think

about.

His father or someone else, you can do that. Okay.

But eventually we're going to work you up where I want you to acknowledge what

you're doing, be able to maintain eye contact, all that good stuff. Do you

that you could start for me?

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Get rid of that negativity.

Get rid of those negative barriers. No more negative, just positive.

Mm -hmm.

And you're going to get to touch a big day. Okay.

That's a positive. That's a positive. Just pretend it's a stranger if you have

to. Just, you know, good -looking, young, footballer guy.

Okay.

Okay, just a penis.

Oh, wow.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

All right.

Deep breath.

Oh, boy. Okay.

Definitely bigger than your father's.

Oh, wow. Okay.

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

It's really big.

Yeah.

Joshua, why don't you help mom out and undo your pants, please?

Take it out?

Mm -hmm. I mean...

Yeah, I think that would be equal.

I guess since I have my breast out.

All the way?

All the way.

Oh, wow. Oh, that is all the way out. Okay.

Oh, my goodness.

Oh, wow.

There you go.

Go ahead. It's okay.

It's your body. You can touch it.

All right.

And Jessica, there it is. How does it feel?

Looking at Joshua's exposed penis for the second time? Second time? Mm -hmm.

Wow, it definitely looks better up close.

Mm -hmm.

Wow.

Wow.

Oh, and...

You're very direct.

Your tits.

That makes sense.

That makes sense.

Is there some reason you're kind of holding back? I feel like you're talking

yourself into something.

I mean, it's just for... You're right.

This is just therapy.

And I should just...

Good -looking young guy with just this hard penis in my hand.

Mm -hmm.

Oh, wow.

Excellent. Look at how much progress you've both made.

Yeah, I feel like we're really getting somewhere now.

Mm -hmm.

Beautiful.

How does that make you feel? I feel like we're really...

tapping into that sexual tension.

Mm -hmm.

Wow.

Yeah. Yeah,

I think that would help, maybe.

Mm -hmm.

Okay.

Well, Josh, let's hear from you. How does that feel to have your mom actually

touching your penis?

I like it a lot.

Okay. Yeah.

So, would recommend?

Yeah. Okay.

All right.

So I have to say, I noticed that Joshua really got in there, Jessica. You really

don't have to hold yourself back if you don't want to.

Do you want to have a seat for me, maybe?

Your breasts are up here, but Joshua's down here. Oh, okay.

Oh, oh.

Are you, is this, is this part of every?

I just want to demonstrate.

Well, I don't know if you need to quite do all of that.

I don't mind.

It's fine.

I'm totally okay as well. Was this part of your diploma?

Was it part of my exam?

Oh, I just think that maybe you shouldn't be touching

him like that. Does that make you feel maybe some of that jealousy again?

Well, I just...

I should be the one touching his cock. You should be the one. You were holding

back so much, Jessica. I thought maybe you were uncomfortable, but if you

do want to get in there... Well, I think it would be better if I did.

We just met you.

Uh -huh. That is true.

You did just meet me. Yeah. And if it's making you very uncomfortable, then I

would certainly encourage you to get in here and show Joshua that you can do a

better job.

of encouraging and exploring and enjoying him.

Well then, I will.

It's all yours.

Alright.

This one.

Okay.

Do all your sessions go like this?

Oh, no, no, no, no.

Only with clients who are really serious about getting better.

Okay. So this is really going to work, then?

I think so. You know, it's always worth trying. Like I said, if it turns out

that it's not working, we can readjust.

So it's very low risk, and I always say wink.

You know, why not try everything?

That does make sense.

Yeah, I think we're really releasing some built -up tension here.

Yeah. I can feel it. Yeah. Yeah. So Joshua, let's hear, how does that feel?

It feels really good.

Is it a little bit different from before?

She's a little bit more tentative is how I would describe it. Uh -huh.

How would you describe the way that she's touching you now, that your mom is

touching you now?

Very caring. I feel like she's super supportive.

Oh, okay.

A very, very supportive mom. Very supportive handjob.

That is the kind of mom I want to be.

I just feel like I couldn't really access that part of myself before.

Well, it seems to me that success is very important to you, Jessica.

It definitely is.

I succeed at everything.

And maybe you want to see Joshua succeeding more in ways that you

and ways that are important to you as well. Absolutely, yeah.

Josh, how important would you say your mother's approval of you is on a scale

one to five?

It's very important.

Okay, all right, so it's up there. It's important that she approves of you.

Yeah, it's kind of like the thought that she's been so...

different from me and just seems like she didn't want me in the house okay

i can understand how that might make you a little frustrated if your sister

mother didn't want you around you know it's your house too right yeah

i'm very proud of both of you oh my gosh looks

like you're really enjoying that joshua

Yeah, I'm very... Is that the right term?

Yes.

Well, you two are doing so well accepting each other.

Oh, thank you. How would you feel about sort of

fully, more fully sort of accepting each other? I feel like we're

having good luck exploring your... Well,

I feel like...

There was an incident, Jessica, you said earlier where you saw Josh naked.

Yes. I'm assuming that you weren't wearing bottoms in the shower.

No. No?

Probably not. So, Jessica, how would you feel about maybe being

naked in session so that you and Josh could both sort of see each other more

fully?

At the same time. Am I getting fully naked?

I was thinking about it. I was working my way up to it.

I know we keep asking about this, but this is for sure going to stay private.

Oh, don't even worry about the cameras. It's just, okay. It's nothing. It's

really just like, you know, it's no different than the pen and the pad of

sitting over here. Don't even worry about it.

I can't have my football coach finding out. I don't want to lose the

scholarship. Oh, no, of course not.

No, it's very private. I don't think it'll be a problem.

Is that your only concern?

Yes, I am.

Yes.

Okay, well, if that's all going to be private and this is all just therapy,

I think that's what I can do. I can remove.

All of my clothes. Okay.

All right.

Let's have you go ahead and move those, then.

All right.

Joshua, same thing.

Yeah.

You can hand your things to me here, and I'll put them on the chair over there.

Thank you.

We've got a fun shirt and a mom skirt.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Thank you very much.

It goes right there.

And let's have you two facing each other. Okay.

Okay. Excellent.

Wonderful.

It does, you know, it does. Reviewed and accepted, both ends.

Yeah. Yeah? Does that feel nice?

Mm -hmm.

Good. That feels right.

So you two can feel completely at ease to just keep exploring each other.

Oh, okay.

Um, Joshua, you're so good about being so open like that.

I feel like that's another positive, that he's very open to exploring, very

brave. Mm -hmm.

That is another positive.

Thank you.

You're welcome, son. We can keep hearing.

Can I?

Well, I mean, I'm touching you there, so I guess it would be appropriate if you

did the same.

It's showing a lot of initiative, which I imagine is something else that's very

important to you, Jessica.

It definitely is.

And Josh, you can continue to talk about things that...

Mom, that you like, that you're enjoying, that you see positively.

Her vagina is really nice.

Your vagina is really nice, Mom.

Thank you, son.

Your dick feels very nice in my hand.

And you're rubbing my clit very nicely.

Wonderful.

You have a really nice body.

You can both talk freely, just kind of open yourselves up to expression. If

you're thinking something, it's okay to just let it out.

Sometimes people go in weird directions. I'm hungry or something like that.

Don't worry about it too much.

You don't have to force it, but if something comes out, your skin is so

soft.

Thank you.

You feel really nice to touch.

I'm really enjoying touching your cock like that.

You're very bad at grabbing my penis.

Thank you.

I'm going to

be too hung up on it. It's part of your vernacular, you know.

But I do appreciate the effort.

Very sweet.

I feel like we're making a lot of progress. Yeah, me too.

That's wonderful that you two have opened up so much.

There's so much more exploration.

So much more communication. And you both seem so much calmer and happier.

I definitely feel that way.

Yeah, it feels like something's weight lifted off my shoulders. I think that's

the term. Yeah.

And I know that it can seem a little bit strange to engage in these types of

therapies at first.

But also once you sort of get into them, just a lot of those problems that seem

so very important just kind of fall away.

We're more confronted with each other's humanity and things go very different.

The way you're rubbing my clit like that.

Yeah. Mm -hmm.

It's making me really wet.

Really wet? Uh -huh.

Yeah, it is.

Uh -huh.

You're like throbbing hard, Mom. Yeah, I can feel it.

Oh, God, that's really hot.

Does that feel good?

Yeah.

I'm going to put a finger inside of me.

You want me to?

Yeah? Yeah.

Yeah, like that.

Oh.

Oh, yeah, like that.

Oh, I know that. I do too.

Yeah.

Oh.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Does that feel good? Oh, it feels so good.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Oh,

my God.

Oh,

my God.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

You're both doing an excellent job.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

You two are doing so well.

I love it when my clients are open to new ideas.

Yeah.

Suggestions.

New experiences.

Oh. Is that okay?

Yeah. I'd really love to be involved and help you to kind of figure this. Yeah,

to just kind of like guide us.

Yeah.

Okay, yeah. I think that might be a good thing, yeah.

Very hands -on therapist.

Okay, I understand.

Oh, wow. Oh.

Oh, wow.

We didn't get to this in the session, but I had a lesbian phase in college.

Oh, okay.

You'd be surprised how often you hear that.

Mom,

can I maybe kiss you?

Yeah, yeah.

Mom,

you're a really good kisser. You are too, son.

You two have been exploring this for a while.

I think it would be really great if Jessica, you sort of sat down on the

and sort of opened yourself up and let Joshua really take a look at you.

Oh, yes.

Do you think that would be okay?

Yes. I think she can probably show you.

Yeah, I'll show you.

I don't know if you've done this, but that's the idea.

I mean,

I was just thinking looking, but I'm sure you'll get there eventually. Is

something that's interesting to you? Yeah.

Yeah, she has a very pretty vagina.

Mom, you have a very pretty vagina.

Sorry, I keep telling you I'm not her.

Okay.

Taste your mom's pussy.

I can think of some words that I would describe your mother's vulva.

One thing I would describe that clitoris was very hard.

That is a very stiff little clitoris.

Oh, my God.

Oh, good job. Good job, baby. You're doing such a good job.

You're doing a good job, Mom. Yeah.

Your tongue feels so good.

Like that. Oh, my God.

Oh, yeah.

You're being so attentive.

Just like that, good boy.

You two are getting along so well. Someone had told me when you two came

When the session was even over, you two would be getting along so well.

I don't know if I would have believed it.

You're a miracle worker.

Oh my God.

All that tension.

You're a very good therapist.

It helps when people are open to experiences and ideas.

This is so much better than the other one we went to named Phil.

No one liked Phil.

Does it feel good what she's doing, son?

Yeah, does it make your cock feel good?

Just a little bit of positive reinforcement.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, that feels so good.

Oh,

yes, that feels so good.

I didn't give you my degree for nothing.

cool down a little bit there.

Open yourself up. I know that can be hard to do sometimes.

Oh, definitely.

I'm hoping that you're seeing that there are a lot of positive side effects to

opening yourself up like that. Oh, it does.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I feel really opened up now.

There can certainly be pressure.

to be perfect, to win all the time. It can make you sort of tense up. Very

tense. Maybe close some doors rather than just opening them. Yeah, we're

a lot of doors today.

Let's see what's going down there.

Very bad.

Oh, my God.

It's so very puffy down here.

Look at that. All that juice

just flowing out of there. I think that means that you're having a great time.

I am.

I think that you could just very, very gently, Joshua, like that with your

tongue, just like the tip of it. Just a little gentle.

Oh, wow.

Oh, you're doing such a good job.

So gentle, so precise.

Yeah.

It's okay to show your mom that you're good at things. Show her where your

talents lie, but maybe they're just a little bit more physical than your

father's talent.

Oh, yeah.

You're doing such a good job, son.

Oh, I'm so proud.

Oh, God, that feels good.

Oh, my God.

Absolutely gorgeous.

I thought you already knew that.

Thank you so much. I appreciate the compliment.

Spread open my back, little boy.

making a lot of progress today.

I'm glad you feel that way.

Feel free to leave a review.

Oh, yeah.

I like that. Oh, my God.

Oh, fuck.

Oh, God.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

It's okay.

Natasha, I feel like there's something more that you could be giving.

What's that?

Well, with that, you have no idea. You're an innocent boy. You just don't

know what you could possibly give her.

I feel like you could. I feel like you'd be really good at it, actually.

I feel like it's worth showing her.

Yeah. Can you show her more things that you can do? Is that okay, Mom?

Yeah. Yes, Mom.

Yeah.

So beautiful.

We should come together like that.

There we go.

All right.

Yeah, that's as big as he looks.

Yeah, definitely.

Can I take this off?

Yeah There

we go

I'm just going to find a way to show off your hidden talent.

Oh, my God.

Have you done this before?

Yeah.

Oh, my.

Oh, show your mom what all that football is. I don't know what's in your body.

thing.

I'm glad.

I want you to feel like you've left with something.

You took my tits right after.

I sucked my son's dick.

Guys, there's so much more give and take in this relationship now.

A little bit of an ego boost. A little bit of self -esteem.

Never ever.

Oh, it would be considered a threesome.

I think that if someone is there in like a medical capacity, then it's not

really.

This is all professional.

You can still look forward to your first threesome.

Yeah.

This is all therapy, right, son?

Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

We definitely need to sign up for the yearly package, mom.

Obviously, I'm invigorated.

You really like sucking my dick, Mom?

Yeah. Yeah, I really like sucking your dick. It's better than my dad's.

Oh, yes.

Oh, yes. Oh, my God.

Oh my God, your cock is so much better than your father's.

Oh, this is what I've been missing.

That's right, just enjoy that. Enjoy this new connection.

That's it.

Oh, there we go.

Look at all that teamwork accomplished.

Can I

do

yours too?

Oh, um, sure.

Why not? Is that okay with you, Jessica? Yeah, I think that's okay.

It's more experience.

Not quite as big, but I think I will still work.

Hi.

Look at that. It's popping up there.

You're doing such a good job, son. Am I? Yeah.

It's very pretty.

It's very pretty.

Beautiful.

It looks so nice between a couple of eyes. Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Your eyes feel so good.

I don't want my paint to look like it's a movie.

What kind of movie are you watching?

You naughty boy.

I don't like it.

There's no point to walk on that computer.

You want to share it with them?

There you go.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

I'd be a little bit jealous.

Oh, really?

Of you, Jessica.

It looks very enjoyable.

It does.

It is.

It looks pretty great. Would you mind if I got, like, a sample?

Would that be okay?

I think that would be okay.

Would that be all right? By giving my son a little bit more experience, you

know? I can fuck our therapist once?

Yes, son. Yes.

You can fuck our therapist.

Well, but it's not like that. This is therapy.

I think we know what you mean. Yeah. I think so. Yeah.

I won't get it.

Would she like it?

I was going to bring it over. Yeah.

You know best.

Okay.

That's a lot.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Yeah. Oh, wow.

Like that?

Yes, like that.

Mm -hmm.

Oh, my God. Yeah.

Look. Oh, my God. Do you want to sit down? Yeah.

Yeah.

Good job, son.

Oh, wow.

You're doing

so

good. You're doing so good baby.

They're so big.

That's my son.

I'm so proud of you.

Keep giving him that good dick.

Oh my God, yes.

Yeah.

Or do you want me to bend you over?

What would you like more?

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Look at you two working together.

Oh, my God.

It's so much better than bickering and criticizing.

Talking about a ride.

I hear some noises. You were complaining about it, huh?

Yeah.

Well, they're better when it's with me.

It's so hard to think when this is happening isn't it?

Yeah. Oh my god, you're doing such a good fucking job, yes.

Yeah, do you want me to come?

Do you want to come on your face? Yeah, come on your mom's face.

oh there's all that tension and i'm so proud of you

How do you feel about maybe doing a bi -monthly session?

Does that sound good? That sounds great. Maybe even a weekly session.

We can start with weekly. Sure. That sounds great. You can make an

online.

And if you would like to get cleaned up, there is a restroom right down the hall

through Jordan Left.

Amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

You guys are so great. You're just being transformed already.

I think so, yeah.

Thank you very much for choosing me. I'm so glad to be part of your journey.

Thank you for fixing mine and my mom's relationship. We're getting there. You

two are doing all the work.

Of course.