All language subtitles for Just My Type - Jamie Michelle, Penny Barber – PervTherapy

All right.

Oh,

okay.

Hi. Come on in.

Hello. Hi. I'm Billy.

I'm Bailey and Jamie. Jamie.

Pleasure to meet you. Do you two want to
have a seat right here?

Thank you.

All right.

Just going over my notes here after you
called.

My first session, I would like to take a
minute to introduce myself.

My name is Dr. Penny Barber.

I've been practicing family therapy for
a few years now.

I've been based out of this office for a
while, and I love what I do.

Let me think.

Do you have any questions for me? I know
you've kind of, like, been through my

website and Jamie and I.

set up our meeting for today.

No, nothing specific.

Do you have any questions?

No. Okay. Well, it is nice to meet both
of you. You too. Thank you.

So you're the mother -son couple?

Yeah. Okay. All right. I do a lot of
mother -son counseling.

It's kind of a specialty of mine. So I'm
glad to have you here and hope we can

help with whatever is going on.

Jamie, do you want to tell me a little
bit about yourself? Are you married? Are

you divorced?

Well, I'm just currently divorced.

His father left us a while ago.

So we've been going through that,
dealing with that at home.

And it's been causing some problems with
him, definitely.

This is why I speak to you out to
hopefully balance everything back out

us. Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

So, Billy, are you in school right now?

Yeah. All right. I'm kind of getting in
a little trouble, but... All right.

Okay. Well, we'll get to that.

Is there anything that you wanted to
tell me about yourself? Are you into

gaming? Yeah, a little. Yeah? A little
bit? Okay.

That's cool.

Do you have any other hobbies? Do you
work out?

Yeah, I work out.

Okay. I like fighting.

You like fighting? Yeah, I like boxing
and stuff like that. Okay. All right.

Boxing.

Cool. I like to watch Pride Fights, too.

So,

how do you feel about being here today?
Are you okay with it? I

don't really know why I have to be here,
but she said we'd have to come.

I'm not totally into it, but you're
here. You came.

Thank you. I'm trying.

You're trying?

Okay. You know, I really find that at
the end of the day, that's kind of

everything. You know, it's all you can
do, but it's still a lot to do is to

So thank you, really, for being present.

Jamie, have you done therapy before?

I have in the past, yes, or a couple of
counseling.

Okay. This will be the first time with.

therapy with him.

Did you have a good experience with
therapy? No, I did.

Absolutely. It was great. It helped us
immensely.

Okay. Alright.

So, Billy, are you dating anyone right
now?

No. No? Just busy with school and stuff.

Busy with school and stuff?

Okay. Girls call. He just doesn't act
interested for some reason.

Alright.

Okay, do you, you know, but there's no
girl that you have a crush on?

Is there a boy that you have a crush on?
No, definitely not. Okay.

I mean, it's cool if you do.

Well, he's not busy with school now. He
was suspended for fighting,

unfortunately.

You did say you like fighting.

The kid had a comment.

He beat the kid to a bloody pulp.

Oh. Completely unacceptable.

What happened with that?

Coughs and balls? Or you get a
suspension?

Yeah, he's suspended for the last two
weeks he's been home.

For two weeks? That's not nothing.

That's a long time.

Yeah.

You've been on your suspension and
staying home?

Yeah, two weeks in close with her.

Okay. What has that been like?

Has it been tough?

Better than school.

Okay, fair enough. It has been better
than school.

How about for you, Mom? How's that been,
having him around? It's been a lot of

trials and tribulations, for sure. But
we get through it, you know.

Is there anything specific that you've
been having issues with? I mean, is he

cleaning up his room? Is he a mess in
the kitchen?

All of that. He has to clean up after
himself, listen, you know, the basics.

The basics?

Okay, well, you know.

Pretty normal. Is that kind of like part
of why you're here today?

Yeah, he just had an anger problem that
I've noticed, especially since his dad

left. And we just want to get to the
bottom of it, see what's going on.

And this anger, Billy, do you feel like
he's been angry?

Not really.

Not really, but do you feel that he's
been?

Angry. Yes.

Do you feel, like it's acknowledging
that, Bill, you don't feel like you've

angry. Do you feel that it's been
directed at you?

No, definitely not. I mean, it's been a
perfect angel to me, but definitely

everyone around and school, obviously,
has been a major issue.

Okay. So... Billy, why do you think that
your mom says that?

Why do you think she feels that way?

I mean, I guess I...

angry, but I feel like they should be.

My dad left.

That's true.

Your dad did leave.

That's a response. Have you been talking
to him at all or emailing or texting?

Not really. Not really? Not really.

Has that been kind of rough on you? Do
you want to talk to him some more? Yeah,

there's a bunch of questions I want to
ask.

Okay. Do you think that maybe he just
needs some time to cool off and like...

Come back around and get involved again?

We don't know. We haven't heard from
him.

He's just up and left.

Okay.

I'm very sorry about that. That's hard.
How are you dealing with that? Are you

taking care of yourself?

Yeah, I'm okay. I'm taking care of him.
I'm taking care of the household.

So are you getting time for yourself?

Maybe a few days tonight with a glass
that should bleed in the tub.

Yeah, here and there if I get lucky.

All right. Bye.

So, you said maybe you're feeling a
little anger.

I don't notice it, but other people say
it.

Other people are saying it. Have you
noticed anything that you do or say that

makes other people feel like you've been
angry? Like, is there a pattern that

you've noticed?

I mean, I guess I could be a little
short with people.

Okay. Maybe a little sniffy? Yeah.

Yeah. Would you say you agree with that?
I mean, I would say a piece.

Fighting at school.

Punching people.

Straight to his head.

Let's talk about that incident.

What triggered that? Did the kid take a
swing at you? Did he say something?

I just didn't like his attitude.

You didn't like his attitude?

Can you tell me about his attitude?

He started talking about Jane.

She said my mom was hot.

Oh. I wasn't listening to that.

Okay. Were you aware of this? I was not
aware of this.

Okay. So, that was upsetting to you that
he said that your mom was good

-looking.

Go a little bit more.

Yeah, I mean, I just lost my cool.

I mean, she's a very beautiful lady.

You know.

But, I mean, if he's going to talk about
my mom like that, he's... It's not

cool. So... I had to do something about
it. It's not cool?

Well, like, why is it not cool?

I mean, don't jump on me because I said
your message is attractive.

No, I'm just super disrespectful.

Disrespectful? Like, how? I mean,
it's... Plus, my mom's awesome.

She is?

Thank God.

Does that upset you that one of his
friends said that you were good -looking

attractive or... No, I don't see the
problem in it.

Okay. So, you don't feel like he needs
to defend whatever. It's not like you

were... Dating this kid or something.
Yeah. You just need to defend your own

uncle. I appreciate it, though, but you
don't need to be getting in trouble over

it. Okay, but you... You got him.

Oh, he won't say anything again.

Probably.

But, like, is that a problem for you?
That other people find your mom

attractive? Or is it disrespectful
towards you?

Or... Yeah, I guess it is a problem.

Can you tell me a little bit about...

Why? Because that's kind of an extreme
reaction.

Yeah, I mean, I didn't notice it before.

It was just once my father left, it kind
of happened.

What kind of happened?

If anybody said anything about her, I'd
just get aggressive.

I have to defend her. It's like my job
now.

Right, since your father left, you're
feeling more like you've stepped into

role? Yeah, I'm supposed to protect her.

Do you think...

Here, let's have you picture in your
mind your mother's

perfect partner.

Like, you know, who should be with her,
the kind of guy you'd like to see with

her. It can be your dad or it can be
someone else. But if you're going to put

together, you know, various qualities
for this person who should be her

what does that look like?

They'd have to be able to protect her.
Okay.

Good looking.

Mm -hmm.

And just respect her.

Respect her? Yeah.

Uh -huh. And sort of, like, defend her.

Yeah. Okay. So you have definite ideas.

And I'm guessing that these did not
apply to the kid on the other end of it.

definitely, no. Okay.

So how would you feel if she did start?

Dating again.

I don't know, to be honest with you.

I don't really know if she's ready to
start dating yet.

How long ago did the split in the
marriage?

It's been about six, seven months now.

So it's not been an excessively long
time, but it's been a while. Yeah. It's

been enough time that you're talking
about a comedy. I'm not having to, like,

scramble for tissues or anything like
that. Although I'm sure it's still...

Hurts. How do you feel about dating
again?

I feel like it would be okay. I just
have to just slowly ease my way into it.

think it would be a good thing
eventually to get back into.

Do you have any plans to start dating
again?

Not right away, but definitely something
within the next few months, possibly.

I should start venturing into and seeing
what's out there.

Yeah, definitely something I would
venture into. I don't think you're

You don't think so?

What would that look like to you if she
was ready?

Good for her if she's ready, but I just
don't think she is.

What do you think would be the tangible
or intangible signifiers that mom's

ready to start dating again?

Would she have a certain attitude?

Would it just be like a certain amount
of time has passed?

A certain amount of time passed.

A certain amount of time passed? A
couple of years.

A couple of years?

Okay.

How would you feel if she decided that
that was too long? That she wanted to

start dating within the next few months?

I think it's too soon.

It would be too soon for her or it would
be too soon for you?

Probably both of us.

Okay. So it sounds a little bit like we
have a disagreement here about something

that may be a little closer to the root
of our problem.

Maybe?

Okay.

Maybe.

Let me think about this.

So, Billy, you might have heard of
something like this before.

This is over here by my camera.

Are you familiar with an inkblot test or
a Rorschach test?

Oh, they look like pictures?

Yeah, exactly. They look like pictures.

You just have a look. I'm just going to
have you look at a few of them.

And just tell me what they make you
think.

how they make you feel.

Let's select the ones that I want.

Okay,

so

I'm just going to show them to you and
like anything that it makes you think

you can just tell me what occurred to
you.

Top of your head. Okay? Free
association. No wrong answers.

It's a test that you're guaranteed to
ace.

Anything in question?

It's a rib cage.

Rib cage.

That's interesting.

Okay.

Rib cage.

Sounds like a bathrobe, doesn't it? A
bathrobe? Yeah. A bathrobe. A red page

a bathrobe. Okay.

Very interesting.

Card seven, a bathrobe.

And I'm just going to give you two more
here.

Card ten.

Looks kind of like a woman with big
hips, doesn't it? Big hips.

Okay. I can see that.

And black is certainly not big.

Kind of like a flower, isn't it? Like an
upside -down flower.

Yeah, like an inverted flower.

Does that look more appropriate?

Yeah.

Is it a candy or a pansy? Yeah.

Yeah, maybe. I can see that.

That was very interesting.

Did I pass?

You did pass. You did very well.

Just so that you know, it seems like a
fixation on biological and

anatomical forms, especially in the
feminine torso.

So can I ask you a few questions about
your living situation right now?

You've been home for two weeks.

And do you have a job outside the home
or do you stay at home?

I stay at home. Okay.

Yes. Stay -at -home parent.

So you two are sharing the house pretty
much?

All day.

All day?

Yes. Especially the last two weeks.

Are you sharing a bathroom?

Yes.

Yeah?

Okay. Is it like, how does that usually
work out? Like in your day -to -day

routine?

Let's say you get up in the morning, you
know, do you have it worked out so that

someone showers in the morning, someone
showers in the evening, or?

Well, I'll shower in the morning.

He showers after I'm finished.

Immediately following?

Yes. Okay.

All right.

And what about your sort of like modesty
practices around the house? Do you tend

to wear a bathrobe?

Occasionally, right out of the shower,
you know, to go into my room and change.

Yeah. Do you mind if I ask what color it
is?

It's white.

Okay.

Um, what about you? Are you a bathrobe
fan?

No. No? Just a towel and out.

Okay. Very butch. Yeah. Okay.

Just a towel.

And sleeping arrangements.

Everyone has their own room?

Yeah. Okay.

Um.

We're home together all day. I imagine
that's pretty, like, close quarters.

So when you are around the house.

I'm sorry to interrupt you, but you
mentioned the camera earlier. Is that

Oh, yeah.

So I just like to take notes sort of
digitally.

You know, I mean, like, I write, too, if
I want to, like, specifically just have

something quick to go back to. But I
like being able to watch the whole

So it's note -taking.

Thank you for clarifying. Sorry to
interrupt.

It's okay.

Nobody else is. It's just for me.

Oh, I remember.

So, Billy, I would just like to ask you
kind of an odd question, but

can you indulge me?

Even if it's a little bit weird and
makes you uncomfortable, can you just

do it for me?

How do you feel about your mom?

They are, you know, displayed.

It's cool she dressed like that at home.

But I want her out in public like that.

Then everyone can see.

Well, how do you feel about her being
dressed like that here in my office?

I guess it's okay. You seem cool.

Thank you. I try.

Okay. I have been noticing a few little
eye flutters to that general area. Is

it just distracting for you?

Not really.

No?

Okay. Remember, I am recording, so I'll
be able to go back and count. I text.

I promise.

Okay.

All right.

How do you feel about, like, what would
you say are your mother's three most

attractive qualities?

She's a good listener.

She's a great personality.

Okay.

And I guess.

Can I say that?

You're going to have to say it.

She has awesome breasts.

Okay.

Jeannie, how does that make you feel
that he thinks that? Well, I mean, thank

you for the compliment, sweetheart.

But I guess it's normal, natural for him
to be attracted to breasts.

Usually, yes.

I would say that it is.

So if you weren't, if she wasn't your
mom, would you say that Jamie is your

type?

Yeah, I guess you could say that.

Jamie, can I have you just stand right
here for me, please?

So you mentioned feeling like your
stepmom needs to be protected.

Mm -hmm.

And that you don't think she's ready to
date yet, but you can't really give me a

definite reason as to why.

Yeah. Okay.

And apparently you feel strongly enough
about this that you got physical with

another guy. Is that correct?

Yeah, that's cool.

Can you just take a look at your mom for
me?

Up and down.

So you see her every single day. It
sounds like the two of you have gotten

really close, especially since your dad
left.

Is that correct?

Yeah.

Okay, why don't you stand up for me?
Okay.

So,

can you hold hands with me for a second?

Yeah.

I don't know if you've done this a lot
at home, but can you two hands look at

each other?

Take a breath. I want to feel both of
you. Feel your breath sinking up.

Good.

Good.

You want to open your eyes. I want you
to look into each other's eyes. Just

of keep breathing.

That's good.

It's a little awkward to just look into
someone else's eyes.

It kind of brings everything to the
fore.

Do you think that we're trying not to
say, it's okay if you want to smile or

want to laugh. It's okay.

It's not something we do very often, is
it? No.

No. Not at all. Not at all.

How are you feeling, Jamie?

I'm okay.

Okay. Let's keep looking at each other's
eyes, even when you're talking to me,

okay? Okay. I don't want you to feel
like I'm here.

I want you to just kind of like think of
me as like a little voice in your ears.

It's like keep breathing. Listen in and
out. Listen to each other.

Billy, you too.

You know, Billy, I want you to kind of
like let your eyes kind of go up and

your body.

Sort of take it all in.

Think about how she looks.

Think about how she's been caring for
you. About what you think she needs as

opposed to what she thinks she needs.
Just need you to think about your

situation.

Okay?

Now you should think about how you can't
beat up everybody who says that she's

hot. Because it's probably going to be a
lot of people, okay?

Would you say that's accurate?

Yeah. So what I think, Billy, and just
keep looking at each other.

Now you should just think about what I'm
talking about. I want you to think

about how she is a very beautiful woman.

And she probably does need someone to
take care of her and protect her.

And that's okay.

And I want you to think about how it's
okay for you to be honest about your

feelings.

I know that this is kind of like a
strange thing to do with the eye gazing,

also it's very difficult in my
experience to lie to someone or be

someone when you're breathing together
and looking into each other's eyes,

So... I want you to take three more deep
breaths, Billy.

And then, once I'm done talking, you can
keep breathing.

But once I'm done talking, I want you to
take three deep breaths.

And then I want you to say whatever it
is that I can feel

you holding on in here. I want you to
say whatever it is that you've been

wanting to say.

Can you do that for me?

I cannot crush on my mom.

Okay.

I thought that maybe that would be where
that was going.

Jamie, how does that make you feel? Is
that surprising to you?

Yeah, it's a little surprising. A little
overwhelming.

Okay. A little overwhelming.

How do you feel? Not like you think
you're supposed to say, but how do you

I feel a little confused, but it makes
sense for the anger and the

lashing out.

I'm trying to get my attention.

Well, you certainly got her attention,
but this time we're not going to buddy

anyone's nose over it, okay?

Okay, you two want to have a seat now?

Okay.

All right, Billy, thank you very much
for sharing that. I know that's hard to

sometimes, okay?

All right, and I do appreciate it. I'm
sure Jamie, oh, he's pushing here.

Jamie, I'm sure that you appreciate his
candor and telling me how he feels.

So what I would like to do with the rest
of our time today is kind of establish

what we're going to do with that
information.

It's actually very common.

especially in the situation that you two
are living in right now. It would

almost be more unusual if it didn't
happen.

Okay. But I assure you, it's very
normal.

It's a relief.

Okay.

You just have to kind of have a plan for
how to deal with it so that some

people don't get themselves into trouble
again.

And, you know, you can continue to
function and everything like that. Okay?

So, Billy, I want to have you.

Do something with me that's going to
hopefully help get some of that jealousy

under control and bring you more in
touch with your feelings. Because I

it's more than just, oh, I don't want
anyone else having what I can't have.

I think that it's more about being
comfortable with yourself so that once

labeled those emotions and defined where
they're coming from, that you can then

center yourself.

You know, because, like, when you don't
have that anchor point, you know, oh, my

gosh, like, what's happening? You know,
everything can spiral out of control.

But if we can just practice with you
what we've established, I think that

going to make a big, big change in your
behavior for the better. I think you're

going to be happier.

Your mom's going to be way happier,
which I'm assuming is important to you.

So are you both willing to help me with
that? Yes, absolutely.

We're all on board?

Yeah, definitely.

I'm grateful for it. Thank you. Okay.

Awesome. I know I just had you sit down,
but Jamie, can you stand up again for

me? Just right here.

Okay.

All right.

So, Billy, we're going to play a game,
and you're going to be sort

of the game board that we're playing on.
Okay? Okay?

So, I am going to use my hand over
Jamie's body, and

you're going to tell me how anxious,

that makes you feel, okay? So you can
take anywhere from like a one to a five.

And so one is like, you know, whatever,
you know, like her shaking hands with

grandma. I mean, I don't care.

Like a five where it's like that feeling
like right before you made sure that

that other boy wasn't going to say
anything anymore, okay?

Simple enough game, right?

Got it?

Okay, can you do that with me? One
through five.

Yeah, just like one through five and
just tell me how you're feeling. If you

want to put more words to it than just
numbers, feel free.

Okay? Just ahead of you, sorry.

All right, you okay?

You ready to go?

All right.

Take a one.

Yeah, like a one, the hair.

Two.

Oh, okay, a two.

It's like in between the two.

Okay.

Yeah, that kind of makes me feel like
it's like three.

That's a three? Yeah. Five counts three.

Two.

Okay. I don't know how to put names.

Really? Like specifically like this more
area right here?

Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, definitely a five.

So that's a five.

Definitely a five.

All right, but you're keeping control of
yourself really, really well. Thank

you.

Thank you. Do you want to maybe start
breathing again for me?

I noticed you're kind of holding your
breath a little bit.

I said it was a five. Why didn't you
keep going?

Is that because this is like upsetting
to you?

A little.

A little bit. Okay. We're just
maintaining it. We've been doing it.

happening. Right?

Everything's okay. Everything's chill.

You're doing very well.

Good job, sweetheart.

I'm super proud of you.

Mom's super proud of you.

Mm -hmm.

No, that's like way more than a five.

More than a five?

I feel like he's very focused.

Is this how you dress every day?

Okay.

Okay, so this is like

quite upsetting.

Yeah, a little.

Is she uncomfortable?

A little.

Somebody seems a little bit possessive
of Tommy's breasts.

A little.

Maybe a little.

Maybe a little?

Okay. Well, they're lovely.

Thank you for a hug.

Okay, so I would say that your trigger
areas are her vulva

and also very much so breasts.

Okay?

Yeah?

Can you think of anything that would
make you feel more comfortable? I

this is stressful for you. Again, thank
you for maintaining your decorum.

But can you think of anything that would
make you feel more comfortable?

With her being touched here?

If I got to touch?

Okay, if you got to do it, you think
that would make you feel a little bit

calmer? Yeah, maybe we'll feel left out.

Okay, I can see that.

I'm trying to think if I want to have
you stand up or if I want to have you

down. Why don't you sit down? I should.

Here, Billy, you can move.

Okay, let's have you open your knees for
me.

Thank you.

Jamie, is it okay with you if Billy
touches you?

Yeah. Okay, like just in a therapeutic
way.

Okay.

So Billy, you can stand up, you can sit
down, you can kneel, wherever you

want to be, wherever you think is best,
okay?

So Billy, now I'm going to be touching
Jamie from this side, and you can just

kind of go from that side, and you know,
anything that I'm doing, you know, you

can mirror me, okay?

That sound?

Yeah.

Kind of like calm the beast a little
bit?

Okay.

Okay, ready?

Okay. All right.

This is a little bit strange, but it is
like what you have been.

Don't focus on the fact that it's your
mom.

The fact that it's a beautiful female
form.

And, Janina, you can let yourself enjoy
it, too. Like, guilt -free.

It's okay.

Yeah. Totally fine.

You know?

Sometimes it's like doing this kind of
work.

It really is worth it in the long run.
You know?

You okay, honey?

Okay. I'm okay.

Okay. Okay.

We're going to be, like, mirroring. my
hands, right?

So if my hand goes here, so does yours.

It's very warm.

Let's see if that continues down here.

Oh, you're so close. Your little hand is
shaking.

It's all right.

If you get nervous, just take a deep
breath and remind yourself this is okay.

Okay. Not hurting anybody is certainly
better than being hung to a bloody pulp.

I agree.

Much better.

I see you're kind of like trailing
behind me a bit.

There you go.

Thank you.

It's okay.

It's okay.

Like it?

Yeah, kind of.

There you go.

I'm just going to keep going.

I feel like you saw the basis of what I
was doing.

I'm just kind of... I'm still following
you.

No, you can just kind of like explore as
it were. I want you to take the ring

from that one.

Take the ring.

It's okay to vocalize, Jamie.

Kind of let it out.

Wonderful.

You have a very interested nipple,
apparently.

Which is normal and totally fine.

The only reason I'm talking about it is
because it's totally fine.

As long as I draw attention, people get
all nervous, but you don't have to,

okay?

Well, when you two are, you know,
sharing a bathroom and everything at

she just first gets out wearing that
white bathtub, do you ever think about

seeing your mom naked?

No, not really.

No, not really?

Are you sure?

You're doing that thing where you're
kind of looking to the left, which

generally implies... I guess when you
put it that way. I guess I do.

You guess you do?

Maybe? Yeah, I do.

Okay. Right? You don't have to say
anything just to please me. No, no,

right. Okay.

It's okay to, like, be honest. You know,
we're trying to break down these

barriers because they're causing
tension.

The barriers are causing tension.

You know, they're making you lash out,
you know, when you can't talk about

feelings, you can't name feelings, and
it's okay.

Definitely suppressing and making them
angry.

Yeah, it is. It's manifesting as anger,
which is not...

what anyone wants. It's not what your
mom wants.

I'm sure it's not what you want. I'm
very sure it's not what the other kid

wanted. So, it's okay.

You don't have to be nervous. I heard
your hand is fluttering.

Do you maybe want to use both of your
hands?

Actually, James, we have you take off
your heels. Oh, I love these. These are

super cute.

And that's how you can stand up here.

And, Billy, you can raise your hand.

Maybe come more direction.

Oh, you got ready. Okay.

Anything?

If you have anything you want to ask,
then I want you to actually stand up,

eye contact, and say what you're feeling
and what you want, okay?

I'm going to work on you owning these
emotions.

Sure. We can do that.

Why did you say yes? Do you have people
owning

your feelings? And I'm so proud of both
of you. It's okay to check in.

Are you going to keep the camera rolling
the whole time?

I mean, it's confidential.

It's not really any different from me
writing it down. It's okay.

Okay, should we take this off too?

Really?

Yes, please. Yes, please.

Okay.

How's that?

Should I keep going?

Okay, I want you to do it here. Let's
have you both stand up and date each

again.

Remember, I'm not going to be going home
with you. We have to talk to each

other. Yeah, we should be going.

Going? Yeah.

Top or bottom?

Both.

That's good. I'm going to focus on just
having you really vocalize what you're

thinking, what you're feeling.

I'm jealous.

I'm excited. I want this. I want that.

And I don't want you to feel guilty
about it, you know.

A lot of times you hold things in and
you're keeping it a secret because you

feel guilty about it, and there's really
no reason why you should feel that way,

okay?

You know, the same way, you know, Jamie,
if you have anything that you want or

that you feel it's okay to talk about
it,

you'll be the elephant in the room.

You okay?

Yeah, you look amazing.

Thank you.

You're very beautiful.

I can see why you have a crush on me.

So, is that everything that you could
imagine?

Oh, yeah.

Definitely. Definitely what I imagined.

Do you want to talk to me about how it
feels to see your mom naked like this?

I've actually seen her naked in the
shower a couple times.

Oh, okay.

So you were peeking.

Is this like that?

This is better. This is better?

Okay.

Would you have been here right now, do
you think, if you hadn't verbalized?

No. Probably not, right?

Okay.

Well, how does it feel? Like, are you
anxious? Are you mad? Are you scared?

I'm more excited than anything.

More excited than anything?

What do you want to do in here?

Uh, no wrong answers.

There's no wrong answers.

No, not in therapy.

I just want to touch her more.

You just want to touch her more?

Okay. Well, let's check in with her
about that and how she feels. She's not

a passive object.

She's a person, okay?

I'm okay.

I'm just hoping that this helps him get
through all of the emotions and stuff

that he's been going through.

I also want you to practice more on
verbalizing your stuff. I want him to be

able to model that behavior through you.
So, like, if you have to say, like, you

know, oh, I like it when you touch my
breath.

Not there, please.

You know, can you do this instead? I
want to see you naked. You know,

that you want, I want you to verbalize
your feelings as well, okay? So I want

you to practice, you know, regardless of
what she's doing, but I do want you to

model regardless of what she's doing,
okay? I want you both to take

responsibility and ownership of your own
feelings and express them, okay?

Can you do that for me? Okay, let's
practice that now.

Both of you.

Touch me.

That feels good.

Is there anything you want me to do?

Um, I mean, you can take some clothes
off too.

I'd want... I would like it, and I want
you to take some clothes off too.

Okay.

Strong definitive statement.

Want this.

Please do this.

You're just getting going there, aren't
you, Billy?

You're getting undressed in the locker
room.

You know what? Can I make a request?

Let's put your shirt back on.

I want you to take it off different.

I want you to do it nice.

Dr. Barber wants something, too.

Good.

Okay, let's do some eye contact. Maybe
let's see some, like, slow pulling up

with the shirt. You have such a
beautiful body, Billy. Let's give it the

deserves. Oh, that's nice.

Oh, that's nice.

You can pull it up slow like that. You
can see your nipples through the fabric.

And that is quite a reveal. I feel like
I'm seeing that chest for the first

time.

That's gorgeous.

Is that better?

I think that was better. I enjoyed that
much more as a lady.

If you ask him to do it, he kind of just
does it, you know?

Do you like the attention being paid to
you and how you're doing things?

Yeah? Both ways, just like open
communications, open communications.

Put your hand here.

Do you feel like, oh, my goodness,
you're, like, in such good shape, both

you. Did you work out together?

No. No?

He goes to the gym with his friends or
alone.

Look at that beautiful young body.

Muscles.

It's okay to fully explore him.

It looks to me, in my professional
medical opinion, it appears that you're

to go, as it were.

We haven't really addressed this, have
we?

No. No, not really.

Well, how would you verbalize what this
part of you is feeling?

I kind of want my dick sucked.

Okay. Well, that's a very nice general
statement to the universe.

Can you be specific?

Eye contact.

Specific. I'd like my mom to suck my
dick.

Oh, honey.

I don't know.

It's okay. Say what you're thinking.

It's okay.

I don't know if I should do that.

Because I'm your mother.

That's a good reason.

Because I'm your mother.

Okay.

Well, really, how would you feel if I
did it?

That's okay.

Yeah? The good conciliatory prize? Yeah.
Okay.

You would do that?

Well, yeah.

Of course. Yeah.

I mean, it looks like it needs it.

Is it okay with you? Are you comfortable
being here while I kind of like do this

and sort of like acclimate to the
situation?

Yeah. Okay, because I really would like
both of you to be more comfortable

opening up. And it's okay to take baby
steps, you know, or to decide like

you know, taking baby steps. Maybe not
for me.

Either way, okay?

Yeah. All right.

Are you a sitter downer blowjobber or
are you a stander uper? I don't know.

Are you very lucky to me?

I love those.

You can sit down.

How much you want to be involved.

Or how much you want to do a case of
them.

Somebody's ready to go.

Look at how the tip of it's blushing.

You didn't say that you needed your
cock.

You didn't say that, didn't you?

What are we going to do?

I think I can make that happen.

Sam, would you like that?

Yeah. I would enjoy that, too.

I wonder if your mother isn't flying
into a jealous rage and hunting their

in. Thank you.

Great techniques, Doc.

Do you do this often?

Is this like a normal routine in your
therapy?

I mean, most people come into therapy
because there are tense issues.

And if there's anything I've learned
during my tenure, it's that humans are

sexual creatures.

So I don't like the word normal, but I
wouldn't say it's uncommon.

I would say that it's regular.

Okay, I would say that it's common.

Regular and that it's common and it's
normal.

Do you like this type of kissing in
common at home?

No. No?

I know my mom is such a good kisser.

What a lovely thing to scatter.

Thank you.

You're doing a great job.

I'm loving how much you're vocalizing
your thoughts and your desires.

That looks like very enthusiastic.

Yeah, it would be great if you got
undressed. As much as I want to risk

my dress, maybe I'll just take it off.

Oh, yeah.

There you go. That's lovely.

I love this

kind of positive reinforcement and
communication.

Was that okay?

Yeah, oh my god, that was really good.

Yeah.

Good morning.

Thank you, Mom.

That feels so fucking good.

I like the way you do that, Mom.

It feels wonderful on my... Use your
vernacular.

Oh, Mom, that was so good. Oh, my God.

Isn't that perfect, Mom?

I'm going to watch all those barriers.

Just break down.

As well they should.

Beautiful woman.

Or that

way, that way is good too.

Fuck,

mom, that feels so fucking good.

Oh, you feel my cock.

Mom, don't you like it?

It's so hard.

It's so hard.

Can you tell me a little bit about why
you decided to delete your son?

I just want to help out and make him
feel better and get through this process

and just release all that anguish and
all the anger goes away.

Maybe we'll have less problems at home
and less problems at home. I don't think

I'm going to be as angry anymore.

I'm going to ask how that anger is just
feeling.

Are you more at a one or are you more at
a five? I'm at a one.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's easier not to be jealous. And it's
easier not to be upset.

You're just getting what you need.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

I think I need one of you to sit on my
cock.

Sorry? Yeah, I think I need one of you
to sit on it.

One of you to sit on it.

Okay, can you be more specific?

Both. Oh, both.

Okay.

Well,

how do you feel about that?

I mean, we can try it.

Yeah? What do you think?

I'm here to facilitate communication.

I'm here to facilitate openness.

Do you want to take the lead or would
you... I can do that.

Would you get him warmed up?

Let you ease into it. I'm totally down
for letting you take more smaller steps.

And I would love to.

Personally.

It's very great.

Help me?

Thank you.

Right here.

There we go.

Oh, there we are.

How was that,

sweetheart? Oh, so good.

She has a beautiful body. Very beautiful
therapist.

Yeah.

Yeah. Oh,

it's pretty hot.

So good.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Oh,

my gosh.

This is so hot.

Oh, shit.

Oh, fuck, yeah.

Yeah?

Oh. Oh,

my gosh.

She's a great therapist.

I'm so glad we found you. High five,
though.

So here's the mention of maybe... Yeah.

There

we

go.

It's the first time that you two are
doing this. Oh my gosh.

The experience has gone so fast.

Oh my gosh.

Are you sure this is okay?

Are you sure this is okay? Does it feel
okay?

Is there anything you really want to do?

Oh my gosh.

Thank you.

She's okay.

Oh, so nice. She's so fucking tight,
huh?

Yes, yes.

it's all you you're doing all the work

Somebody's been running with my pussy
for a while.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There we go.

Oh, shit.

Yeah.

It's so beautiful to see how you two are
connecting.

See how you're opening up and just
really becoming in touch with your inner

emotions.

Oh, fuck.

Oh, she's so good.

Here we

go. Oh,

hey,

Mom. That is not a soft little foot.

Oh.

Yeah, just like that song.

Yeah,

yeah, yeah, just like that.

That's hot.

Yeah. Oh, fuck.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Oh, fuck yeah, just like that, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Getting a helping hand from the movie.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I can feel it pulsing.

Oh, yeah.

Oh,

yeah.

I'll get in there.

Yes, baby.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, you fucking give it
to me.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh,
yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah,

yeah.

Is there more?

Maybe there's more.

Oh, wonderful.

Good job,

sweetheart. You feel better?

Yeah, I feel better.

Is that nice? I'm connecting right in
mommy's face.

I love you. You did great there. Thank
you. You did it.

So much work.

You were so open. I really appreciate
it. I wish all of my clients were this

open. I really loved it. Thank you so
much for choosing me to be with you on

this journey. So am I, Carrie.

Well, we'll see. What do you think about
doing this once a week for check -in

and, you know?

Once a week?

Yeah.

Once a week.

Hour -long appointment.

Work through any other issues that might
crop up.

In the meantime, maybe, Billy, see if
you can reach out and connect with maybe

some other girls your own age from class
or something, but also keep the lines

of communication with your mother open.

Can you do that for me? Yeah. Yeah?

Yeah. Sound good?

Yeah. Thank you, doctor.

Would you like a tissue?

Yeah.

That is great.