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Oh, that's so good.
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[director].
Um, one more time.
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Look towards me.
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And action, Cindy.
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I took on the government
for women's sexual pleasure,
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and I won.
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Let me tell you why I did it.
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[upbeat dramatic music]
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The single biggest crisis
in women's health is
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that you are not
taken seriously.
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Why at your age should you
still be concerned about sex?
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[announcer].
Ladies and gentlemen,stand up on your feet
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and give a wild 10X welcome
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to Cindy Eckert!
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[crowd cheering]
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How many of you,
before this very moment,
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knew there was a little
pink pill for women?
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Not so many of you.
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So I have to ask the
obvious question:
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How many of you knew there was
a little blue pill for men?
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[crowd applauding]
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[Cindy].
Oh, all of you know that.
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Okay.
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[female reporter].
It's known asViagra for women,
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a tiny tablet that could havea huge impact in the bedroom.
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[Drew].
This quest to geta female sex pill
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has been going on
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for years and
years and years.
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The drug comeswith side effects.
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The FDA hasrejected it twice.
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This whole fight has been about
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getting women what we deserve.
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Addressing low desireand sexual health in women
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is very similar to thefight that's happening
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in reproductive health.
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It's all the same message:
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We don't deserve tocontrol our own bodies.
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[female reporter].
A new study released todayraises big questions
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about whether or not it shouldhave been approved for women
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to use at all.
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[Cindy].
I've heard every single thing.
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I've been toldnot to wear pink,
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pull your hair back,take the makeup off.
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No one will takeyou seriously.
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[female reporter].
Will the FDA approve
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the so-called femaleViagra drug for women
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with unhappy sex lives?
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Our very first
meeting with the FDA,
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a gentleman in the room said,
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"What do we need a bunch of
horny women running around for?"
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What?
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If there were clear evidence of
a clinically meaningful benefit,
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which I don't believe there is,
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approval might be appropriate.
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[Cindy].
All of that fed the frenzy.
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But at the heart ofthat is really our bias.
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In every scenario we're
gonna talk about here today,
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you can just
think to yourself,
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but what if the
pill had been blue?
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[upbeat alt music]
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[male reporter].
Clamour for Viagra worldwide.
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[female reporter].
For men sufferingfrom impotence
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Viagra hasbeen hailed
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as a miracle drug.
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[reporter].
It's the first pillever developed
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to treat impotence.
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Pfizer estimates
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there are 140 millionmen worldwide
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who have troubleachieving erection.
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[man].
Understand that we'rereally dealing with
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a worldwidemedical problem.
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This has been of
interest to men,
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you know,
from time immemorial.
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["Fuck The Pain Away"
by Peaches]
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[male reporter].
As fast as pharmacistscount them,
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men are buying them.
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[female reporter].
After two weeks onpharmacy shelves,
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this little blue diamondis the fastest selling
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prescription pill ever.
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[male reporter].
A US internet providercan hardly keep up.
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In Saudi Arabia, men pay asmuch as $100 for a single pill.
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But in Japan whereit's not approved yet,
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a travel agency offers fourday tours to Hawaii to get it.
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Airfare, hoteland prescription
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all included.
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[Larry].
We're discussing thetreatment of impotence
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and the use of Viagra.
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In Washington,
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we have former
presidential nominee,
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Bob Dole.
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[Bill].
I did not havesexual relations
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with that woman.
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I mean,
President Clinton's cock,
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Bob Dole's cock.
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Now you know you don't want
to hear about Bob Dole's cock,
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you know?
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[audience laughing]
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["Fuck The Pain Away"
continues]
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* Huh? What? Right Uh
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* Huh? Right
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Viagra may wind up creating
a sexual revolution for men,
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but what about women?
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- [male crew] Camera's rolling.
- [female crew 2] Mark it.
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[male crew 2]
Alpha roll. Colour mark.
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[clacking]
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[interviewer].
Okay, so first question,
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can you tell me what youlearned in medical school
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about women's sexual health?
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So when I was a
medical student,
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we had
pretty robust
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sexual health
lectures,
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but mainly centredaround male sexual health.
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And I realized very quicklythe gaps that existed,
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including simple as,
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learning how to
examine a clitoris.
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So you learn
absolutely nothing
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in medical school
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about sexual
medicine
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at all for anybody.
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In fact, in the
OBGYN residency,
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the word clitorisdoesn't appear anywhere
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in what they have to learn.
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In fact, they tell youdon't touch the clitoris
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as to not make thepatient uncomfortable.
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Can you imagine me as a
urologist if I was taught
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don't touch the penis
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'cause you would make
the man uncomfortable?
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In my experience,
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unfortunately female
sexual health
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was all about
delivering babies,
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doing women's well visits,
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a little bit ongynaecological cancers,
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but that's really it.
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And I went to Columbia.
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I mean, that's one of the best
medical schools in the country.
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What I didn't learn
about sexual medicine
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is pretty much
everything.
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The only memory I have
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of sexual medicine comingup in medical school
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was this likeweird film they showed
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of like, hippies having sex.
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It was really cringey,
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and a lot of people justlike kind of walked out.
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[Francisco].
We often will define sex
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really in
terms of
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how the male
engages in sex.
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Men get an erection,
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ejaculate, feel pleasure.
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But unfortunately, a muchlarger number of women
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don't experience that.
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That's the orgasm gap.
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The orgasm gap is,
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it's maddening because in
order to have an orgasm,
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there are a number ofdifferent parts of the vulva
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that need to be stimulated.
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The brain needsto be stimulated.
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There's a lot ofpieces that go into it
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and people then suddenlysay it's complex
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and that it's unattainable.
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But when it comes to a penis,
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it's just assumed that ifthat penis can't have an orgasm,
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there's a serious problemwith that individual.
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The gap startswhen we realize
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that society doesn'treally care whether or not
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someone with aclitoris has an orgasm.
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And once you realize that,
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you recognize where all
these balls get dropped.
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[Rachel].
No one is talking aboutpleasure and orgasms.
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No one is talking
about libido at all.
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It really doesn't
matter to our society
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whether people like
sex or don't like sex
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as long as they have
sex to make babies
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and we procreate as a society.
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And so we've ignored
it completely.
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* One thing on my mind
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[Cindy].
When Viagra wasapproved in 1998,
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it was deemed to meet such an
important unmet medical need,
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it was literally fast
tracked for approval.
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It received the kind of
rare status we reserve
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for lifesaving cancer
drugs or rare diseases.
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So literally a
national emergency
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if men can't get it up.
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This is a subject you will
not see discussed much
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on television.
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Were you embarrassed?
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Yeah, I was- still am.
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I mean, it's something you
don't run around, you know,
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sit around talking
about in a coffee shop
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or particularly in a
public television program.
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I just really have to comment
on to Dr, uh, to Senator Dole.
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What he just did was
just truly amazing to,
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to discuss in-in public,
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in a public forum what it's
like to have this problem.
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The-the humiliation,
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the embarrassment,
the frustration.
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My name is Irwin Goldstein
and, uh, I love sexual medicine.
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There are so many sufferers
with this condition.
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They stay in closets.
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They do not talk about this
and it's just wonderful.
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Okay, let me answer
your question.
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Impotence means
you're not a man.
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Being a male,
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you're supposed to
have an erection,
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uh, on demand.
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So in the days priorto the oral pill,
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it was considered,
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I don't want totalk about it.
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Divorcehappened commonly,
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uh, depression happened.
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[Cindy].
Irwin Goldstein is thegodfather of sexual medicine.
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I mean, he was the keyinvestigator on the trial
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that got Viagra approved.
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Irwin really did something
spectacular, um, with Viagra.
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And I think once he solved
that problem for men,
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he said...
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women.
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[Irwin].
May 14th, 1998,
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a day I will never forget.
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The New EnglandJournal of Medicine
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published finallyall the data on Viagra.
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I was the first author
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and all the phone calls
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from people whohad any concerns,
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came to our office.
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And guess what the gender was?
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[female voicemail message].
Hi Dr. Goldstein,
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happily married ladyhere for over ten years.
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My husband's not the issue.
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And we used to havea great love life,
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but I just don't find myselfwanting to have sex.
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[female voicemail message #2].
Dr. Goldstein,
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calling about this Viagra pill,
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not for my boyfriend.
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He's got no problem.
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[female voicemail message #3].
Congratulations on gettingmy husband a boner.
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What do you have for me?
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[female voicemail message #4].
They're off the planet!
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I don't know where theythink these men on Viagra
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are gonna stick allthose erections.
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[Irwin].
I said, Hey, we're very busy.
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I'm a urologist.
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I do the men's sexual problems.
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There's gynecologist,
they deal with women.
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And I said, "If you have any,
any issues, come back to me
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"and let me tell
you what's going.
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"You know, tell me
what's going on."
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And to a T,
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everyone called back.
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"Gynecologists
aren't doing this.
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"The gynecologist said,
'Go see Dr. Goldstein.'"
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So I was like, okay.
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I finally learn that we
need to take care of women
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with sexual health problems.
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[Sarah].
I first learned about sexual medicine as a career
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when I was in medical school.
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And realized
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that there was this whole
world of information
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that I did not know even
existed about sexual health,
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about pain,
about orgasm, arousal,
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and realized I wanted it to
be a part of my practice.
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Women's sexual health,
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and vulvas in general,
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have never been a
priority of our society.
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We can see that as deep
as the terminology used
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for the innervation
of the vulva.
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The pudendal nerve
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is the nerve that providesmost of the sensation,
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particularly in regardsto sexual function,
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to the vulva, the clitoris,
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the labia, the vestibule.
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And pudendal literally
means "shame."
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Often patients don't feellike they deserve sex,
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they don't deserve intimacy,
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they don't deservepleasure or connection.
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And when that is lost,
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I think that a piece of
them is really broken.
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More often
than not,
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women will
just say,
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"Oh yeah, I,
you know,
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"I haven't
orgasmed in years,
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"but it's fine, whatever.
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"I mean, I just gave up."
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Not that it's someone
who's like okay
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with not having
sexual pleasure,
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it's just that they didn't
think that they deserved it.
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And a lot of my job is
actually normalizing
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that it's okay to want
more for yourself
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when it comes to sexual
pleasure and desire,
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which is very different than
society's approach to men,
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where it is a right.
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Your genitalia affects
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how you're treated in
the healthcare system.
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You know, I trained
as a urologist
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and I was very used
to objective data,
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and objective evidence,
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and really listening
to our patients.
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And I didn't realize
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that was something veryunique to the fact that
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I was working withpredominantly men,
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'cause when I started workingin the women's health space,
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I was oftentimeslistening to my patients
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telling me the consistentmedical gaslighting
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that they were experiencing
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when it came to their vulva,
vaginal healthcare.
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A lot of times when
people come in with problems
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and are previously told,
"It's all in your head,"
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okay, basically getting
medically gaslit,
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the default sometimes
is to blame the patient
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when you as the provider
don't know how to help them.
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Uh, your name, uh,
is Mrs. Martin,
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is that right?
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That's correct.
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[interviewer].
Well try and tell me forstarters if you can,
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what is the current dilemma?
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What's going on that troubles?
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[Rachel].
The idea of it'sall in your head
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is a tale as old as time.
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"Have a date night,
drink a glass of wine,
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"read Fifty Shades of Grey.
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"Here's a good therapist,
go to this therapist.
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"It's all trauma."
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Well, I-I don't have
climaxes anymore at all.
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And I feel like I'm
just submitting now,
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that I'm not, I'm not giving
anything or getting anything.
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[Irwin].
In general,
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people don't like talking
about sexual problems.
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Um, most providers don't
do sexual medicine.
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Have you ever been to a doctor
who does sexual medicine?
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There's so few of them.
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Your sexual experiences,
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which are very
important to you,
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you're not willing to share and
they're not willing to hear,
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[chuckles] but they should be.
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They should be as,
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if they're bothering you
and it's affecting your,
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your yourself, your, your, your
relationship with someone else,
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your ability to be a parent,
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your ability to be a
good worker at work,
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uh, you should have the
opportunity to discuss this.
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[Cindy].
Irwin Goldsteinis a mad scientist
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who loves discovery
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and does it for the
care of his patients
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through and through.
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[rhythmic music]
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[Cindy].
I'll take you back to 2010.
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I'm in Miami
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at the Sexual MedicineSociety Conference,
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and it's the best researchers
in the world on sex.
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So here's Irwin chasingme around with his MacBook
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and he said, "Youhave to watch these,
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"you have to watch these,
you have to watch these."
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So today is 10 21 10.
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It's, uh, Thursday.
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There was a drugcompany in Germany
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that was studying analternative drug for depression.
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And of course,just like Viagra,
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it was found to beamazingly successful
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in helping women who hadlow libido or low desire.
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We have patient 24163
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of the flibanserin
open label trial.
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I had patients on this.
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I filmed them saying,"Oh my God,
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"after taking flibanserin
I'm smiling and I'm happy
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"and I stare at my partner and
I just want to be with them."
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And why we're filming this?
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This is really cool,
her results.
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So I'm gonna turn this
around and patient 24163.
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How are ya? [chuckles]
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[chuckling] I'm fine.
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[Irwin].
So this is a little weird,but you know, I, you know,
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this is your reallylast chance to,
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to document this to humanity.
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So you're on, tell usside effects, benefits.
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How did you dowith this drug?
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I did phenomenal
on this drug.
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I feel like a new
woman on this drug.
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[machine whirring]
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[Cindy].
At that conference,
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this company presentedthis brain scan imaging
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of a women strugglingwith their libido.
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And it was like
lightning struck!
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Holy shit!
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[snaps fingers] It's biology!
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[soft dramatic music]
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[Cindy].
HSDD or HypoactiveSexual Desire Disorder
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is the name.
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It was first characterizedin the literature in 1977.
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And it basically is this likeabsence of spontaneous thoughts
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or interest.
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And we realize it's in thesex centre of the brain.
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You know, we'rehardwired to procreate
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and for, you know,millions of people,
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something goes offkilter in that wiring.
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I had no sexual desire.
403
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Libido was almost zero.
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[Cindy].
It was such a common thread.
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And, you know, what happened
is I saw those videos,
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I completely saw myself
in those videos.
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I was in a placein a relationship
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where I wasdeeply disconnected.
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I was in theexact same place,
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really strugglingwith this issue.
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I just never think about it,
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like it's gone.
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It used to be there,
but it's gone.
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Go talk to hundreds of women
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who have nothing in commonother than this one issue,
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and listen to them all giveyou the exact same words:
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It's gone.
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And they had been
conditioned to not even
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sort of fight for it
420
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because, well, your
pleasure doesn't matter.
421
00:17:01,721 --> 00:17:03,223
"Just go along.
422
00:17:03,290 --> 00:17:04,224
"This is what it is.
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"Relax, honey, have a bath.
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"Schedule date night.
425
00:17:06,959 --> 00:17:08,161
"Buy sexier lingerie.
426
00:17:08,195 --> 00:17:09,529
"Do better."
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00:17:09,562 --> 00:17:11,164
You do better.
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00:17:11,198 --> 00:17:12,332
Fuck you.
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00:17:12,365 --> 00:17:14,000
[clacking]
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00:17:15,868 --> 00:17:17,504
[Gina].
I had nevertalked about libido.
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00:17:18,705 --> 00:17:21,074
I think that's another
thing where I thought,
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after you have a kid that
goes away, you know?
433
00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:26,146
That was kind of
the narrative from
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my elders, right?
435
00:17:27,814 --> 00:17:28,881
And the women
around me,
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that you're a mother now
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and you focus on these
things and that's behind you.
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So no discussion about it.
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00:17:38,591 --> 00:17:43,230
[Susan].
I went from a scale ofone to ten on the libido,
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I was eleven.
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00:17:45,532 --> 00:17:48,368
Uh, and then when
menopause hit,
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I [stutters] became
a negative three.
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00:17:52,139 --> 00:17:54,174
Um, it was devastating.
444
00:17:54,207 --> 00:17:59,346
As a woman, we, we
love to feel desirable
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and happy with
their relationships
446
00:18:01,148 --> 00:18:02,915
and things like that.
447
00:18:02,949 --> 00:18:03,916
And for me,
448
00:18:03,950 --> 00:18:06,886
I felt like someone
had just slayed me.
449
00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:12,058
I, I tell people I, I lost
touch with my inner goddess.
450
00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:13,460
[clacking]
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00:18:14,294 --> 00:18:17,164
[Sue].
My husband likes topractice what he preaches.
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And one day he came homefrom work and he said,
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we've just developeda new questionnaire.
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It was basically the
beginning of testing
455
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for Addyi.
456
00:18:26,306 --> 00:18:28,275
And he says, just take
the test for fun.
457
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And I took it and he
goes, holy, you've got HSD!
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When you have Hypoactive
Sexual Desire Disorder,
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which is what I had,
460
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you're not aware that
it's in your cognition.
461
00:18:37,884 --> 00:18:39,386
Well, everybody has
it differently.
462
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It may mean that, you know,
463
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when your partner
walks through the door,
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you used to wanna jump
his bones or her bones
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and that's not of
interest anymore.
466
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It may be that while
you're in bed having sex,
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you're thinking about, ugh,
468
00:18:49,929 --> 00:18:51,231
I have to put the
wash in the dryer,
469
00:18:51,264 --> 00:18:53,633
I have to buy milk for the
kids before school tomorrow.
470
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Or it may be that you don't
want your partner to touch you
471
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because you have,
472
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you've developed,
you know, aversion.
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It couldn't mean
a lot of things.
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But for me, I was having
essentially duty sex.
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00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:05,512
When I had sex, it was good,
476
00:19:05,578 --> 00:19:08,415
but I had no reason to
want to have sex again.
477
00:19:08,448 --> 00:19:09,816
[clacking]
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[Barbara].
I met my husband at aparty at his uncle's house
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and in our early relationshipthere was no problem
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with desire with sex.
481
00:19:25,798 --> 00:19:27,800
One time there was a
construction site
482
00:19:27,834 --> 00:19:29,802
and we decided that
483
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this would be a
great opportunity.
484
00:19:32,439 --> 00:19:35,007
I mean, it was just spur of
the moment all the time.
485
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Spur of the moment,
just boom, we're ready to go.
486
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Um, and then we had children
487
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and there was absolutely
no problem whatsoever.
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And then all of a sudden,
489
00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:48,888
it was like somebody
pulled the plug.
490
00:19:48,955 --> 00:19:50,523
I had zero desire.
491
00:19:52,425 --> 00:19:53,660
[Gregg].
When I first met her I,
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I thought she was a,a real hottie.
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No, we were a
young, healthy,
494
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- sexually active-
- Amorous.
495
00:20:01,468 --> 00:20:04,471
Couple. Yeah,
and, uh, yeah,
496
00:20:04,504 --> 00:20:07,307
and it, it was, it was
good for a long time.
497
00:20:07,340 --> 00:20:11,043
When it became evidentthat she wasn't responding,
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I almost got angry.
499
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:14,547
Is she mad at meabout something?
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00:20:14,614 --> 00:20:16,148
Did I do something?
501
00:20:16,182 --> 00:20:17,717
Uh, does she thinkI'm cheating?
502
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:18,718
I never did.
503
00:20:18,751 --> 00:20:20,820
Never have, never will.
504
00:20:20,853 --> 00:20:25,925
Um, so yeah, it was tough.
505
00:20:25,992 --> 00:20:27,360
[Barbara].
So that's why I decided
506
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that when I heard ofthis clinical trial,
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I would definitelygive that a try.
508
00:20:32,399 --> 00:20:36,836
And oh my gosh,
it was just amazing.
509
00:20:36,869 --> 00:20:38,571
Your whole
relationship with your,
510
00:20:38,638 --> 00:20:40,340
or at least mine
with my husband,
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was stressed or strained.
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00:20:43,476 --> 00:20:44,577
[Irwin].
And on the medication?
513
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On the medication [chuckles]
I chase him. [laughs]
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[Irwin].
Awesome.
515
00:20:49,782 --> 00:20:52,452
It is, it is unbelievable.
516
00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:55,388
I love my husband
tremendously,
517
00:20:55,422 --> 00:20:58,891
but with this drug I
love him even more.
518
00:20:58,925 --> 00:21:02,261
And our, our sexual
experiences were,
519
00:21:02,295 --> 00:21:04,230
were incredible.
520
00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:06,599
It was, it was like
I was a new woman.
521
00:21:10,437 --> 00:21:14,273
[reporter].
Will the FDA approve theso-called female Viagra?
522
00:21:14,341 --> 00:21:16,709
A drug for women with
unhappy sex lives.
523
00:21:16,743 --> 00:21:18,745
I'm at the FDA
meeting right now.
524
00:21:18,778 --> 00:21:20,647
I'll have more in this hour.
525
00:21:20,713 --> 00:21:24,384
Boehringer Ingelheim be
applied for approval by the FDA.
526
00:21:24,417 --> 00:21:26,285
Today's agenda involves
discussion related
527
00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:27,454
to new drug application.
528
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,891
NDA 22526 Flibanserin
hundred milligrams tablets.
529
00:21:31,924 --> 00:21:33,460
Because I was doing
a lot of work
530
00:21:33,526 --> 00:21:36,929
with antidepressant associated
sexual dysfunction,
531
00:21:36,963 --> 00:21:39,432
I was an advisor.
532
00:21:39,466 --> 00:21:42,735
I appreciate the opportunity to
be able to speak with you today.
533
00:21:42,769 --> 00:21:45,171
For maleerectile dysfunction,
534
00:21:45,237 --> 00:21:47,273
and what they hadused a measure,
535
00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:51,478
was this sexual eventsuccessful for you?
536
00:21:51,511 --> 00:21:55,448
Meaning the penis was rigid
enough to penetrate a vagina.
537
00:21:55,482 --> 00:21:58,150
They decided to try toapply that to women.
538
00:21:58,184 --> 00:21:59,151
And we said,
539
00:21:59,185 --> 00:22:02,288
what is a successfulsexual event in women?
540
00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,824
Do you think that it
might be having an orgasm
541
00:22:04,857 --> 00:22:07,293
'cause that's really
not related to desire.
542
00:22:07,326 --> 00:22:10,663
And that was the
sort of first real foray
543
00:22:10,697 --> 00:22:16,302
into them not really
understanding women's sexuality.
544
00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:17,937
These are the numbers
that you see,
545
00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:20,707
so these are women
who have HSDD.
546
00:22:20,773 --> 00:22:23,510
They do not have depression.
547
00:22:23,543 --> 00:22:27,547
You can see that HSDD
is the most common
548
00:22:27,614 --> 00:22:29,816
sexual dysfunction
549
00:22:29,849 --> 00:22:34,153
as compared to effects
on arousal or orgasm.
550
00:22:34,186 --> 00:22:36,022
The studies were positive
551
00:22:36,055 --> 00:22:40,326
and it showed that people'ssexual functioning improved
552
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,495
over time when they
were on this drug.
553
00:22:42,529 --> 00:22:47,534
But ultimately Boehringer
Ingelheim had it turned down
554
00:22:47,567 --> 00:22:49,436
for approval by the FDA.
555
00:22:51,504 --> 00:22:53,806
[Cindy].
At that meeting in Miami,
556
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,844
the German company went to allthe researchers in the world
557
00:22:57,877 --> 00:23:00,312
and said, we're not
gonna develop it.
558
00:23:01,681 --> 00:23:04,517
And you could feel the
air leave the room.
559
00:23:04,551 --> 00:23:09,556
[Barbara].
I am so, so upsetthat this is terminating
560
00:23:09,589 --> 00:23:15,027
because this Flibanserin
can change people's lives,
561
00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:16,563
they can change relationships,
562
00:23:16,596 --> 00:23:20,900
they can, um, make a
person whole again.
563
00:23:20,933 --> 00:23:24,437
And she is patient 24174.
564
00:23:24,471 --> 00:23:25,772
And she, uh,
565
00:23:25,838 --> 00:23:29,241
because [indistinct] closed up,
we had to close out the trial.
566
00:23:29,275 --> 00:23:31,277
[Cindy].
What was surprisingis that a company
567
00:23:31,343 --> 00:23:34,481
that had found this kindof spectacular discovery
568
00:23:34,547 --> 00:23:36,583
was not going to pursue it
569
00:23:36,616 --> 00:23:39,118
'cause they didn't want to
take on women and sex, right?
570
00:23:39,185 --> 00:23:40,219
No thank you,
571
00:23:40,252 --> 00:23:41,921
we're not getting
into this debate.
572
00:23:41,954 --> 00:23:44,256
And I think Irwinknew that too,
573
00:23:44,290 --> 00:23:46,759
which is why he said you needto do something about this.
574
00:23:46,793 --> 00:23:50,797
The science was there,it required a champion.
575
00:23:50,863 --> 00:23:53,099
I said, please just
get on an airplane,
576
00:23:53,132 --> 00:23:54,233
fly to this place.
577
00:23:54,266 --> 00:23:56,636
For one dollar they'll probably
give you the medicine.
578
00:23:56,669 --> 00:23:58,605
I sort of almost begged.
579
00:23:58,638 --> 00:24:00,306
I mean, you have to develop it.
580
00:24:00,372 --> 00:24:02,408
Irwin chose me,
it spoke to me,
581
00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:03,876
this is what I was
struggling with
582
00:24:03,910 --> 00:24:06,646
and I was gonna fight
for what I deserved
583
00:24:06,679 --> 00:24:08,581
and I was determined.
584
00:24:08,615 --> 00:24:10,449
And so I bought the drug.
585
00:24:12,451 --> 00:24:14,320
* Gimme what I want,what I want, what I want *
586
00:24:14,386 --> 00:24:15,822
* want, want, want,what I want *
587
00:24:15,855 --> 00:24:17,957
[Cindy].
And so, what do you do when youget a drug through the FDA?
588
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:19,492
You sit down with the FDA
589
00:24:19,526 --> 00:24:22,361
and you say, okay,
here's this product,
590
00:24:22,428 --> 00:24:23,462
what is the roadmap?
591
00:24:23,496 --> 00:24:24,797
* Gimme what I want,what I want, what I want
592
00:24:24,831 --> 00:24:25,865
* what I want, what I want
593
00:24:25,932 --> 00:24:27,133
* Like a Spice Girl *
594
00:24:27,166 --> 00:24:28,835
[Cindy].
They tell you whatendpoints you have to meet
595
00:24:28,868 --> 00:24:29,869
in clinical trials.
596
00:24:29,936 --> 00:24:31,638
They define success for you
597
00:24:31,671 --> 00:24:34,507
and you have to prove it with
statistical significance.
598
00:24:35,374 --> 00:24:38,177
So that's what we reallyspent our first year doing
599
00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:40,647
is all the things thatthe FDA had asked of us,
600
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,814
good stewards of science,
601
00:24:41,848 --> 00:24:44,383
we went out,we did all that work.
602
00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:47,186
And I remember being
just so excited.
603
00:24:47,219 --> 00:24:48,821
Like we've done it,
we did it,
604
00:24:48,855 --> 00:24:50,022
it works!
605
00:24:50,056 --> 00:24:54,661
This drug was about womenliving life on their own terms,
606
00:24:54,694 --> 00:24:57,564
so I wanted a woman's name.
607
00:24:57,630 --> 00:25:01,167
A character that I lovedwas actually Addison
608
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,669
on Grey's Anatomy.
609
00:25:02,702 --> 00:25:05,371
I like that she liveslife on her own terms,
610
00:25:05,404 --> 00:25:07,239
so we called it Addyi.
611
00:25:14,213 --> 00:25:16,382
Our very firstmeeting with the FDA,
612
00:25:16,415 --> 00:25:18,685
there was a tensionin that room.
613
00:25:18,718 --> 00:25:22,822
You can imagine you walk in
like company sits on one side,
614
00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:24,857
FDA sits on the other side,
615
00:25:24,891 --> 00:25:26,726
it's like a face off.
616
00:25:26,793 --> 00:25:30,730
And there was just this sense
617
00:25:30,763 --> 00:25:34,734
that this was not gonna be a
straightforward conversation.
618
00:25:35,668 --> 00:25:37,837
Here I am running a company,
619
00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:39,606
totally a womanin a man's world.
620
00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:45,578
When I left college I worked forFortune's most admired company,
621
00:25:45,645 --> 00:25:49,749
but I left Big Pharma becauseit wasn't the fit for me.
622
00:25:49,816 --> 00:25:53,753
And I found this incredibletestosterone product for men
623
00:25:53,820 --> 00:25:56,756
and built my first businessout of that called Slate.
624
00:25:56,823 --> 00:26:00,760
And so, I had brought a
product to market for men
625
00:26:00,793 --> 00:26:02,094
that was FDA approved.
626
00:26:02,128 --> 00:26:03,896
So when all thequestions were different
627
00:26:03,930 --> 00:26:05,732
on a product for women,
628
00:26:05,765 --> 00:26:08,234
I knew something was up.
629
00:26:08,267 --> 00:26:09,869
And I asked this question,
630
00:26:09,902 --> 00:26:11,270
why are we being reviewed
631
00:26:11,303 --> 00:26:14,440
by the urology division
of the FDA
632
00:26:14,473 --> 00:26:18,745
when this is a drug that
works on neurotransmitters?
633
00:26:18,778 --> 00:26:19,746
And the answer was,
634
00:26:19,779 --> 00:26:22,514
"We review all the sex drugs."
635
00:26:22,548 --> 00:26:25,251
I said, "Yeah because
they've all been for men."
636
00:26:25,284 --> 00:26:28,087
And that was it,
like I stepped in it.
637
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:29,789
I knew it as soon
as I said it,
638
00:26:29,856 --> 00:26:32,324
I could feel that
tension in the room,
639
00:26:32,391 --> 00:26:33,760
like how dare you,
640
00:26:33,793 --> 00:26:38,064
we are the experts on sex,
and yet they weren't.
641
00:26:38,097 --> 00:26:41,567
I walked out of thatmeeting and I thought,
642
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,803
science cures bias, right?
643
00:26:43,870 --> 00:26:46,138
Science alwaysknows the answer.
644
00:26:46,172 --> 00:26:49,008
I knew we'd actually
achieved all the results
645
00:26:49,075 --> 00:26:50,777
that they'd asked
us to achieve.
646
00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:53,445
And so, I was getting
ready to launch,
647
00:26:53,479 --> 00:26:55,247
and I had been in New York
648
00:26:55,281 --> 00:26:57,784
and I flew back toRaleigh where I'm based.
649
00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:00,619
The whole companyis like waiting
650
00:27:00,653 --> 00:27:02,221
with the champagne chilling.
651
00:27:03,923 --> 00:27:06,926
The minute the plane landed,my phone's blowing up.
652
00:27:06,959 --> 00:27:08,795
I got a call from my assistant.
653
00:27:08,828 --> 00:27:11,463
She's like, Hey, weheard from the FDA,
654
00:27:11,497 --> 00:27:14,166
they came back and said no.
655
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,169
And it was just like, pow!
656
00:27:17,203 --> 00:27:19,638
I thought, oh my God.
657
00:27:19,672 --> 00:27:22,041
I didn't know whatI was gonna say.
658
00:27:22,108 --> 00:27:23,810
My board knew
this was the day,
659
00:27:23,843 --> 00:27:25,812
my shareholders
knew this was the day,
660
00:27:25,845 --> 00:27:27,714
the patients knew
this was the day,
661
00:27:27,780 --> 00:27:29,816
Irwin knew this was the day.
662
00:27:30,717 --> 00:27:32,752
I'm like, gotta go in,gotta face the music.
663
00:27:35,554 --> 00:27:38,324
I got everybody aroundthe table and I said,
664
00:27:38,357 --> 00:27:41,694
"We just heard from the FDAand we were turned down."
665
00:27:41,728 --> 00:27:43,763
And it was silence.
666
00:27:47,233 --> 00:27:51,170
I remember sitting in the officeuntil the last person left.
667
00:27:51,203 --> 00:27:53,873
I was looking out the windowuntil I started to cry
668
00:27:54,974 --> 00:27:57,176
and I'm like, what thehell are you doing?
669
00:27:57,209 --> 00:28:00,980
Like pick yourself back up,
we're going back into battle.
670
00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:05,251
And I thought not on my
fucking watch, no way.
671
00:28:06,185 --> 00:28:08,888
It was time to take 'em on.
672
00:28:08,955 --> 00:28:10,056
[soft dramatic music]
673
00:28:10,122 --> 00:28:11,390
[reporter].
Viagra for women.
674
00:28:11,423 --> 00:28:12,591
It's a little pink pill
675
00:28:12,658 --> 00:28:14,861
that's supposed to
increase a woman's desire.
676
00:28:14,894 --> 00:28:18,164
And the FDA has alreadysaid no to the drug.
677
00:28:18,197 --> 00:28:20,432
But the company isappealing that decision.
678
00:28:22,401 --> 00:28:24,370
[Josephine].
I had never heard of HSDD.
679
00:28:24,403 --> 00:28:26,405
I had never heardof Flibanserin.
680
00:28:26,438 --> 00:28:28,707
There was a meeting
on my calendar, um,
681
00:28:28,741 --> 00:28:30,576
to meet with a
company called Sprout
682
00:28:30,609 --> 00:28:32,011
who was coming
to us for help.
683
00:28:32,044 --> 00:28:34,046
And so I went to the meeting
684
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,915
and I met Cindy
who was a very,
685
00:28:35,948 --> 00:28:37,784
very different from
most of my clients.
686
00:28:39,251 --> 00:28:42,755
Ooh, what's coming?
687
00:28:42,822 --> 00:28:43,790
Hey, hey, hey.
688
00:28:43,856 --> 00:28:46,392
I remember that first meeting,you know,
689
00:28:46,425 --> 00:28:49,728
this spectacular womancame into the room.
690
00:28:49,762 --> 00:28:51,630
I was watchingher body language
691
00:28:51,697 --> 00:28:54,867
and I thought,I think this is my soulmate.
692
00:28:54,901 --> 00:28:55,768
Theodore, I can't
believe you're not even
693
00:28:55,835 --> 00:28:57,669
paying attention, buddy.
694
00:28:58,437 --> 00:29:00,572
The plan is to make a plan.
695
00:29:00,606 --> 00:29:02,909
So how do you take
on the government
696
00:29:02,942 --> 00:29:05,577
for women's sexual pleasure?
697
00:29:05,611 --> 00:29:07,379
I was working
primarily in oncology,
698
00:29:07,413 --> 00:29:09,949
so trying to get cancer
drugs through the FDA,
699
00:29:10,016 --> 00:29:13,219
and I hadn't done much in the
reproductive health space.
700
00:29:13,252 --> 00:29:15,888
And Cindy walked inwith so much energy
701
00:29:15,922 --> 00:29:18,925
and started telling meabout HSDD and Flibanserin
702
00:29:18,958 --> 00:29:21,994
and the challenges thatFDA had given them.
703
00:29:22,061 --> 00:29:25,798
My first reaction honestly
in that moment was, oh these,
704
00:29:25,832 --> 00:29:28,134
these seem like great people
and an energized team,
705
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,269
but I don't think I'm
gonna be able to help them.
706
00:29:34,173 --> 00:29:36,275
I didn't understandthe condition.
707
00:29:36,308 --> 00:29:38,978
You know, I thought ofit's, it's a sex drug,
708
00:29:39,011 --> 00:29:41,981
that sounds like somethingthat's not necessary.
709
00:29:42,014 --> 00:29:44,650
Oncology drugs are
saving people's lives
710
00:29:44,683 --> 00:29:47,186
and I didn't think
it was as important.
711
00:29:49,255 --> 00:29:54,060
The reason I decided to takethe case was Cindy showed me
712
00:29:54,093 --> 00:29:55,794
some real documented evidence
713
00:29:55,828 --> 00:29:58,130
of things FDA wassaying and asking for
714
00:29:58,164 --> 00:30:02,301
that pointed out to methat FDA had a real bias
715
00:30:02,334 --> 00:30:06,839
rooted in maybe hangups
about women and sex and,
716
00:30:06,873 --> 00:30:09,208
and that FDA wasn't
thinking about this, um,
717
00:30:09,275 --> 00:30:10,943
in a truly scientific way.
718
00:30:10,977 --> 00:30:13,579
And I decided to take
it because as a lawyer
719
00:30:13,612 --> 00:30:16,448
it sort of rubbed my fairness
button the wrong way.
720
00:30:17,516 --> 00:30:22,054
[Stacey].
When the drug first wentup for FDA review in 2010,
721
00:30:22,121 --> 00:30:25,657
the FDA did not feel
that there was enough data
722
00:30:25,691 --> 00:30:28,460
to support its effectiveness.
723
00:30:28,494 --> 00:30:31,230
[reporter].
The FDA advisory panelvoted ten to one,
724
00:30:31,297 --> 00:30:33,966
that flibanserin was notsignificantly better
725
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,067
than a placebo,
726
00:30:35,134 --> 00:30:37,003
and unanimouslythat the benefits
727
00:30:37,036 --> 00:30:40,206
did not outweigh side effectslike dizziness, nausea,
728
00:30:40,239 --> 00:30:42,208
and fatigue.
729
00:30:42,274 --> 00:30:44,010
[Josephine].
When the German companytook it forward,
730
00:30:44,043 --> 00:30:47,146
they got a list of issues thatsaid go do one more study
731
00:30:47,179 --> 00:30:48,514
where you show desire
732
00:30:48,547 --> 00:30:51,550
and then also go doa number of studies
733
00:30:51,583 --> 00:30:54,086
on healthy volunteerslooking at interactions
734
00:30:54,153 --> 00:30:55,254
with other drugs.
735
00:30:55,321 --> 00:30:58,090
And that's when Sprout took
it and did all that work.
736
00:30:58,157 --> 00:30:59,558
Then they brought
that back to FDA
737
00:30:59,625 --> 00:31:02,028
and now they get
rejected again,
738
00:31:02,061 --> 00:31:04,030
having done everything
FDA asked for.
739
00:31:04,063 --> 00:31:05,564
[reporter].
The FDA gave a red light
740
00:31:05,597 --> 00:31:08,734
to a drug meant to revup a woman's sex drive.
741
00:31:08,767 --> 00:31:12,038
The agency rejected a littlepink pill called Flibanserin
742
00:31:12,071 --> 00:31:14,140
saying it hadmodest effectiveness.
743
00:31:14,173 --> 00:31:18,010
We've had biological solutions
and treatments for men.
744
00:31:18,044 --> 00:31:19,912
I think it's time for women.
745
00:31:19,979 --> 00:31:25,251
[Stacey].
Erectile dysfunction was seenas an unmet physical ailment.
746
00:31:25,284 --> 00:31:31,523
Addyi was evaluated as anunmet psychological ailment,
747
00:31:31,557 --> 00:31:35,561
which immediately triggers
a higher standard of review
748
00:31:35,594 --> 00:31:37,563
and additional safety measures.
749
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:40,866
[Anita].
They said it hadto be ultra safe
750
00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:44,003
because women weretaking it every day.
751
00:31:44,036 --> 00:31:49,308
And so, they generated a lotof concerns about things like
752
00:31:49,375 --> 00:31:51,077
use with alcohol.
753
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:54,947
Addyi is alleged to have this
shocking alcohol interaction
754
00:31:55,014 --> 00:31:56,615
that we can't accept,
755
00:31:56,648 --> 00:32:00,252
when the data are almost
exactly the data of Cialis.
756
00:32:00,286 --> 00:32:01,620
And when you look at Cialis,
757
00:32:01,687 --> 00:32:04,390
it essentially says menshould not binge drink.
758
00:32:04,423 --> 00:32:08,560
[Anita].
"You shouldn't consume ifyou've had more than five
759
00:32:08,594 --> 00:32:10,229
"alcoholic beverages."
760
00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:13,432
So women can't have any
and men can have five
761
00:32:13,465 --> 00:32:15,134
and still take it.
762
00:32:15,167 --> 00:32:16,935
Well it's probably not
gonna work very well
763
00:32:16,969 --> 00:32:20,772
in that circumstance for
an erection, but okay.
764
00:32:20,806 --> 00:32:24,110
[Josephine].
Another example is thatflibanserin makes you sleepy.
765
00:32:24,143 --> 00:32:26,112
That is a labelled side effect,
766
00:32:26,145 --> 00:32:29,148
we know that that's why youtake it right before bed.
767
00:32:29,215 --> 00:32:31,183
And we had shown
768
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:32,318
that there were more sex,
769
00:32:32,351 --> 00:32:34,153
satisfying sexual events
when you were on flibanserin
770
00:32:34,220 --> 00:32:35,187
than when you weren't.
771
00:32:35,254 --> 00:32:36,822
And one of the FDA
reviewers said,
772
00:32:36,888 --> 00:32:40,092
"Well couldn't that be because
the women are just too sleepy
773
00:32:40,126 --> 00:32:42,194
"to fight off their husbands?"
774
00:32:42,261 --> 00:32:44,363
First of all, I don't believe
we have husband rapists
775
00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:45,331
at large in this country.
776
00:32:45,397 --> 00:32:46,798
But, but beyond that,
777
00:32:46,832 --> 00:32:48,234
you know, I just thought,
778
00:32:48,267 --> 00:32:50,269
if everybody could just think
about their personal situation
779
00:32:50,302 --> 00:32:51,470
for a moment,
780
00:32:51,503 --> 00:32:53,205
the wife is sleepy,
781
00:32:53,272 --> 00:32:55,041
are we having more
sex or less sex?
782
00:32:55,107 --> 00:32:57,176
The notion that
the wife is sleepy
783
00:32:57,243 --> 00:32:58,644
so we must be
having more sex,
784
00:32:58,677 --> 00:33:03,049
like you're refusing to
accept that this is real data.
785
00:33:03,115 --> 00:33:05,817
Like so when you see data
that answers the question,
786
00:33:05,851 --> 00:33:07,386
yes, they're having more sex,
787
00:33:07,453 --> 00:33:10,189
you immediately are looking
for a way to discount it.
788
00:33:10,222 --> 00:33:13,159
Their concern with
sedation was,
789
00:33:13,192 --> 00:33:15,194
and they literally said this,
790
00:33:15,261 --> 00:33:19,265
that a woman might take
flibanserin the night before
791
00:33:19,298 --> 00:33:20,399
and get up in the morning
792
00:33:20,466 --> 00:33:23,502
and fall asleep driving
her kids to school.
793
00:33:24,770 --> 00:33:26,172
It was very much like,
794
00:33:26,205 --> 00:33:28,640
well, we need to sort
of protect women
795
00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:30,709
because they might
not remember,
796
00:33:30,742 --> 00:33:34,180
they might not make good
choices about taking this,
797
00:33:34,213 --> 00:33:36,048
and it's so dangerous.
798
00:33:36,082 --> 00:33:39,017
So we did a driving
study and lo and behold,
799
00:33:39,051 --> 00:33:43,422
women drove better
taking Addyi than placebo.
800
00:33:43,489 --> 00:33:45,091
And that's not surprising
801
00:33:45,157 --> 00:33:48,860
'cause if you have a better
deeper night's sleep, um,
802
00:33:48,894 --> 00:33:51,363
your reaction time in
the morning is improved.
803
00:33:51,397 --> 00:33:54,766
You know, the driving study
was over a million dollars,
804
00:33:54,833 --> 00:33:56,502
which we have so many drugs,
805
00:33:56,535 --> 00:33:58,604
all the anti-depressants
cause sedation.
806
00:33:59,505 --> 00:34:00,739
And no one said,
807
00:34:00,772 --> 00:34:02,408
go make sure,
you know, you're,
808
00:34:02,474 --> 00:34:04,410
you're not gonna be
impaired the next morning.
809
00:34:04,476 --> 00:34:06,678
The reason here was,
well these are women
810
00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:08,547
who could be driving
their kids to school.
811
00:34:08,580 --> 00:34:13,119
And it's that paternalistic
lens over women's health, right?
812
00:34:13,185 --> 00:34:15,053
That it's, it's not
about the woman,
813
00:34:15,087 --> 00:34:17,356
it's about the people
she touches in her life
814
00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:19,057
and also protecting them.
815
00:34:19,091 --> 00:34:20,459
And that's inappropriate, right?
816
00:34:20,526 --> 00:34:22,894
A drug is, is approved
as safe and effective
817
00:34:22,928 --> 00:34:24,963
for the people who take it.
818
00:34:25,597 --> 00:34:27,333
[reporter].
It's the little pink pill.
819
00:34:27,366 --> 00:34:29,235
And this one isfor the ladies.
820
00:34:29,268 --> 00:34:33,205
It works on key chemicals in
the brain to increase desire.
821
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,942
They, they had a desire
before and they've lost that
822
00:34:36,975 --> 00:34:39,945
and it's really causing
pretty profound distress,
823
00:34:39,978 --> 00:34:43,215
either for them personally or
in their relationship dynamic.
824
00:34:43,249 --> 00:34:46,118
[reporter].
Enter the pink pillknown as flibanserin.
825
00:34:46,152 --> 00:34:47,953
Cindy Whitehead boughtthe rights to it
826
00:34:47,986 --> 00:34:51,290
and has been working for threeyears to get FDA approval.
827
00:34:51,357 --> 00:34:54,560
The last trial of a thousandwomen showed promising results.
828
00:34:55,794 --> 00:34:59,465
[Josephine].
FDA insisted that we measuresatisfying sexual events.
829
00:34:59,498 --> 00:35:01,333
We had to show an improvement
830
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,469
in how many satisfyingsexual events we were having,
831
00:35:03,535 --> 00:35:05,070
and we showed it, right?
832
00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:06,972
That was, I think it
was one more per month
833
00:35:07,038 --> 00:35:09,408
and FDA's like oh,
one more per month.
834
00:35:09,441 --> 00:35:11,310
And in essence, the
FDA had said to us,
835
00:35:11,343 --> 00:35:14,480
well, we feel the
effect is only modest
836
00:35:14,513 --> 00:35:17,316
and therefore no risk
would be worth it.
837
00:35:17,383 --> 00:35:19,418
So we said to the FDA,
hold on,
838
00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:22,288
what do you mean that
the effect is modest?
839
00:35:22,321 --> 00:35:23,322
It is true
840
00:35:23,389 --> 00:35:26,325
that Addyi doesn't take you
from being having no sex
841
00:35:26,392 --> 00:35:27,959
to being a nymphomaniac.
842
00:35:27,993 --> 00:35:29,127
Actually, that would be bad.
843
00:35:29,161 --> 00:35:31,197
We have to measure for that
in clinical trials, right?
844
00:35:31,263 --> 00:35:33,299
It takes you from
a place in which
845
00:35:33,332 --> 00:35:34,366
you're not thinking about sex
846
00:35:34,433 --> 00:35:36,435
to where you are
thinking about sex.
847
00:35:36,468 --> 00:35:39,338
Society thinks of sex
as a performative act,
848
00:35:39,371 --> 00:35:40,872
there's a destination.
849
00:35:40,939 --> 00:35:42,841
And really what
this was addressing
850
00:35:42,874 --> 00:35:47,112
was the brain being
in the right place
851
00:35:47,145 --> 00:35:48,414
to have spontaneous interest
852
00:35:48,447 --> 00:35:51,217
to respond to a
partner's advance,
853
00:35:51,283 --> 00:35:53,552
to want to initiate something.
854
00:35:53,619 --> 00:35:57,423
So like everything being
so performance driven
855
00:35:57,456 --> 00:35:59,157
was really a male metric.
856
00:35:59,191 --> 00:36:02,228
[Francisco].
The studies show that there'san increase in, on average,
857
00:36:02,294 --> 00:36:04,863
one sexually satisfyingencounter a month.
858
00:36:04,896 --> 00:36:06,398
And a lot of folks
will hear that and say,
859
00:36:06,465 --> 00:36:08,300
one encounter a month,
that's very little,
860
00:36:08,334 --> 00:36:10,402
but how is that even worth it?
861
00:36:10,469 --> 00:36:13,305
And my response to
that typically is,
862
00:36:13,339 --> 00:36:15,374
when we're treating
somebody who has HSDD,
863
00:36:15,407 --> 00:36:17,042
they'll be lucky
if they have sex
864
00:36:17,075 --> 00:36:18,844
once or twice a
year typically.
865
00:36:18,877 --> 00:36:23,215
Once a month is a monstrous
change for some of these, uh,
866
00:36:23,249 --> 00:36:24,182
these couples.
867
00:36:24,216 --> 00:36:25,651
[clacking]
868
00:36:26,184 --> 00:36:28,554
[Stacey].
We've alwaysprioritized our sex life
869
00:36:28,587 --> 00:36:31,056
and it's somethingwe don't wanna lose.
870
00:36:31,122 --> 00:36:32,558
- We met in college.
- Yeah.
871
00:36:32,591 --> 00:36:34,393
- Um...
- Grad school.
872
00:36:34,460 --> 00:36:35,861
Grad school.
873
00:36:35,894 --> 00:36:38,897
Both studyingthe same subject,
874
00:36:38,964 --> 00:36:42,668
and we didn't hitit off right away,
875
00:36:42,701 --> 00:36:46,672
but, um, once we, uh, got
together we've been inseparable
876
00:36:47,573 --> 00:36:52,411
and, um, well our
relationship was fine, um,
877
00:36:52,478 --> 00:36:58,617
but our sex life had,
had dwindled, um,
878
00:36:58,684 --> 00:37:00,252
and it was frustrating
of course,
879
00:37:00,319 --> 00:37:02,621
but then, um, you know,
880
00:37:02,688 --> 00:37:04,390
I was going through
a change too.
881
00:37:04,423 --> 00:37:07,225
And so, every month I was
going and getting tested,
882
00:37:07,259 --> 00:37:09,461
um, for testosterone levels.
883
00:37:09,528 --> 00:37:12,298
And I think we were both
experiencing our own versions
884
00:37:12,364 --> 00:37:13,899
of menopause, um,
885
00:37:13,932 --> 00:37:17,736
and our libidos seemed
to be out of sync.
886
00:37:17,769 --> 00:37:23,275
Um, David got involved in some
treatment that increased his,
887
00:37:23,342 --> 00:37:26,378
and mine was still
laxing there behind.
888
00:37:26,412 --> 00:37:31,049
And, um, I had one,
um, gynecologist, um,
889
00:37:31,082 --> 00:37:37,489
but she didn't try to
educate me beyond, um,
890
00:37:37,556 --> 00:37:40,492
I think she said
something to the effect of,
891
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:42,561
um, you're at a approaching
a period of time
892
00:37:42,594 --> 00:37:45,431
where hormones probably wouldn't
make more sense for you.
893
00:37:47,198 --> 00:37:48,434
[Sue].
So clearly you can see,
894
00:37:48,467 --> 00:37:50,168
despite the wonderfuljob with my makeup,
895
00:37:50,235 --> 00:37:52,304
that I'm a menopausal woman.
896
00:37:52,338 --> 00:37:53,339
And for those who think
897
00:37:53,405 --> 00:37:54,506
that after your hot
flashes are gone
898
00:37:54,573 --> 00:37:55,941
menopause is over,
899
00:37:55,974 --> 00:37:57,476
no, you're in menopause
for the rest of your life
900
00:37:57,543 --> 00:37:59,511
until you die.
901
00:37:59,578 --> 00:38:00,946
But just because
you're menopausal
902
00:38:00,979 --> 00:38:03,482
doesn't mean you don't
have a right to great sex.
903
00:38:04,383 --> 00:38:05,317
My whole life andmy whole training
904
00:38:05,384 --> 00:38:07,819
menopause was treatedas a footnote.
905
00:38:07,853 --> 00:38:09,120
In my field it was like,
906
00:38:09,154 --> 00:38:12,257
use lube as though that would
solve all the solutions
907
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:13,559
to do with your shoulder,
908
00:38:13,592 --> 00:38:14,660
to do with your brain fog,
909
00:38:14,693 --> 00:38:16,995
to do with the way
alcohol affects you,
910
00:38:17,028 --> 00:38:18,964
the fact that you
can't sleep at night.
911
00:38:18,997 --> 00:38:21,132
And now we're in this moment
912
00:38:21,166 --> 00:38:23,569
where we're talking about
perimenopause and menopause
913
00:38:23,602 --> 00:38:25,604
and it's pissing
some people off.
914
00:38:25,637 --> 00:38:27,606
They're wondering why are
you being so loud about it?
915
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:28,807
Well, the real question is,
916
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,677
why were we forced to be so
quiet about it for so long?
917
00:38:32,378 --> 00:38:36,047
Postmenopausal patients
are considered irrelevant
918
00:38:36,114 --> 00:38:39,317
when it comes to sexual
health in our society.
919
00:38:39,351 --> 00:38:41,987
It is not only by our society,
920
00:38:42,020 --> 00:38:43,254
but patients within themselves
921
00:38:43,288 --> 00:38:45,290
don't feel like
they deserve sex.
922
00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:46,358
They don't deserve intimacy.
923
00:38:46,425 --> 00:38:48,494
They don't deserve
pleasure, connection.
924
00:38:48,527 --> 00:38:51,863
I had a patient come in
just the other day who said,
925
00:38:51,897 --> 00:38:54,966
"I shouldn't even be having
sex anymore, right?"
926
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,537
And I mean, my, my
mouth is open for them
927
00:38:58,604 --> 00:38:59,638
because I'm just like,
928
00:38:59,671 --> 00:39:03,542
I don't understand how
this can be so ingrained
929
00:39:03,575 --> 00:39:04,676
in everything that we do
930
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:07,212
that even patients feel
that they don't deserve it.
931
00:39:07,278 --> 00:39:10,682
And I think that's what's
so heartbreaking, um,
932
00:39:10,716 --> 00:39:14,553
is to see that people don't
even value themselves
933
00:39:14,586 --> 00:39:17,856
because our society has
so clearly told them
934
00:39:17,889 --> 00:39:20,926
that they are no longer a
valued part of the society.
935
00:39:23,228 --> 00:39:24,863
[Stacey].
When you look at women:
936
00:39:24,896 --> 00:39:27,633
premenopausal,postmenopausal,
937
00:39:27,666 --> 00:39:29,535
transgender individuals,
938
00:39:29,568 --> 00:39:33,238
the conversation of whatis available for you
939
00:39:33,271 --> 00:39:36,207
is not dictated by you.
940
00:39:36,241 --> 00:39:39,244
If you are a
cisgendered white male,
941
00:39:39,310 --> 00:39:40,546
the healthcare in
the United States
942
00:39:40,579 --> 00:39:42,714
is pretty darn good
943
00:39:42,748 --> 00:39:48,053
and your healthcare experience
can be a uniquely personal one.
944
00:39:48,086 --> 00:39:49,721
[reporter].
Twenty-six to zero,
945
00:39:49,755 --> 00:39:51,923
that represents howmany drugs are available
946
00:39:51,957 --> 00:39:53,925
to treat malesexual dysfunction,
947
00:39:53,959 --> 00:39:55,961
compared to those
that treat women's.
948
00:39:57,128 --> 00:40:00,932
[Cindy].
When I started, there were25 FDA approved drugs for men.
949
00:40:00,966 --> 00:40:03,735
When we were going through this,
and in our appeal,
950
00:40:03,769 --> 00:40:06,805
the 26th drug for
men came to market
951
00:40:06,872 --> 00:40:09,074
and it's for curvature
of the penis
952
00:40:09,107 --> 00:40:11,877
that interferes with
your enjoyment of sex.
953
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:15,113
Okay, so that typically had
to be corrected surgically
954
00:40:15,146 --> 00:40:17,048
and now there was a
different and simpler option.
955
00:40:17,082 --> 00:40:18,116
Great.
956
00:40:18,183 --> 00:40:22,420
So the studies were on
around a thousand or so men
957
00:40:22,454 --> 00:40:26,658
and it had a pretty important
but rare side effect,
958
00:40:26,725 --> 00:40:29,160
and that was penile rupture.
959
00:40:29,227 --> 00:40:31,497
So let me get this straight,
960
00:40:31,563 --> 00:40:34,132
we can give men a product
and their dick can explode,
961
00:40:34,165 --> 00:40:36,502
but women can't have the
seven dwarfs of side effects
962
00:40:36,568 --> 00:40:38,570
like sleepy, dizzy, nausea.
963
00:40:38,604 --> 00:40:42,307
Twenty-six times we
had done that for men.
964
00:40:42,373 --> 00:40:46,612
So guys, it's just
you and your honey.
965
00:40:46,645 --> 00:40:48,747
Setting is perfect.
966
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:52,484
But then erectile
dysfunction happens again.
967
00:40:52,551 --> 00:40:55,320
[Cindy].
Viagra at that point haddone so many commercials
968
00:40:55,353 --> 00:40:58,590
and, you know, we laughedabout the Viagra ads at the time
969
00:40:58,624 --> 00:41:01,326
that were basicallyconditioning women
970
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:03,695
to let men know all
their choices, um,
971
00:41:03,762 --> 00:41:05,831
while not asking the
question, where's mine?
972
00:41:05,897 --> 00:41:06,832
You know what?
973
00:41:06,898 --> 00:41:08,266
Plenty of guys
have this issue,
974
00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:09,668
not just getting an erection,
975
00:41:09,735 --> 00:41:10,936
but keeping it.
976
00:41:10,969 --> 00:41:14,840
Well Viagra helps guys with
ED get and keep an erection.
977
00:41:16,808 --> 00:41:21,847
I'm a beautiful woman
laying in a bed talking about
978
00:41:21,913 --> 00:41:23,582
your erection.
979
00:41:24,516 --> 00:41:25,884
Erection.
980
00:41:29,354 --> 00:41:30,689
Now that they're distracted,
981
00:41:30,722 --> 00:41:33,024
let's do something
to change this.
982
00:41:33,058 --> 00:41:34,693
Women deserve better.
983
00:41:34,726 --> 00:41:36,261
Let's even the score.
984
00:41:37,563 --> 00:41:38,830
Stop!
985
00:41:38,864 --> 00:41:42,000
Sprout initiated something
called "even the score."
986
00:41:42,033 --> 00:41:44,670
This was a advocacy campaign
987
00:41:44,703 --> 00:41:47,338
to try to get people
to understand
988
00:41:47,372 --> 00:41:52,377
that this is a critical issue
for 10% or more of women.
989
00:41:52,443 --> 00:41:54,379
Are we really so behind
990
00:41:54,412 --> 00:41:57,549
that we don't think women have
the right to sexual desire?
991
00:41:57,583 --> 00:42:00,619
Yet again we come second.
992
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,922
[ad voice].
Men who take erectiledysfunction medication
993
00:42:03,989 --> 00:42:05,490
may find it entirely useless
994
00:42:05,523 --> 00:42:08,193
if their partner does nothave any sexual desire.
995
00:42:08,226 --> 00:42:10,729
Options for women have beenthrough rigorous trials
996
00:42:10,762 --> 00:42:12,931
and show lessserious side effects.
997
00:42:12,998 --> 00:42:14,700
Safe and effectivesexual health medication
998
00:42:14,733 --> 00:42:16,768
could help thousands ofwomen and their partners
999
00:42:16,835 --> 00:42:18,837
enjoy a healthy sex life.
1000
00:42:20,238 --> 00:42:21,707
Men have a little blue pill,
1001
00:42:21,740 --> 00:42:24,375
so why not a little
pink pill for the ladies?
1002
00:42:24,409 --> 00:42:28,213
[Stacey].
Sprout really helped inbringing the conversation
1003
00:42:28,246 --> 00:42:30,181
into the media
1004
00:42:30,215 --> 00:42:34,886
and into the living roomsand awareness of people.
1005
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,588
- Flibanserin.
- Flibanserin.
1006
00:42:36,622 --> 00:42:37,889
Flibanserin.
1007
00:42:37,923 --> 00:42:39,725
[reporter].
Now it is expected to be marketed under the name,
1008
00:42:39,758 --> 00:42:41,092
Addyi-1.
1009
00:42:41,126 --> 00:42:43,629
[Cindy].
It became a verypublic conversation.
1010
00:42:43,695 --> 00:42:45,563
Here's this littleprivate company
1011
00:42:45,597 --> 00:42:46,932
in Raleigh, North Carolina,
1012
00:42:46,998 --> 00:42:49,701
and all of a sudden Nightline
shows up at my door.
1013
00:42:49,735 --> 00:42:52,337
They're like, who are you
and what's happening here?
1014
00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:54,740
[reporter].
It's known asViagra for women,
1015
00:42:54,773 --> 00:42:58,744
a tiny tablet that could havea huge impact in the bedroom.
1016
00:42:58,777 --> 00:43:01,046
I think this is
absolutely an evolution
1017
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:03,114
in the female
sexual revolution.
1018
00:43:03,148 --> 00:43:06,618
[reporter].
But you won't be able toget the pink pill just yet
1019
00:43:06,685 --> 00:43:08,754
because the drug islocked in a heated battle
1020
00:43:08,787 --> 00:43:10,756
for FDA approval.
1021
00:43:10,789 --> 00:43:11,857
[Cindy].
Once that happened, you know,
1022
00:43:11,890 --> 00:43:13,792
the public wasall weighing in.
1023
00:43:13,859 --> 00:43:15,260
[reporter].
There's a pillthat's in development
1024
00:43:15,293 --> 00:43:16,427
not FDA approved yet.
1025
00:43:16,461 --> 00:43:18,063
Woo! For women? Like Viagra?
1026
00:43:18,096 --> 00:43:19,597
There you go.
1027
00:43:19,631 --> 00:43:22,267
People are like, aw,
the little pink pill.
1028
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:23,301
So it's the little pink pill.
1029
00:43:23,368 --> 00:43:24,803
That little pink pill.
1030
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:26,137
It's a little pink pill.
1031
00:43:26,171 --> 00:43:27,773
Oh the little pink pill.
1032
00:43:27,806 --> 00:43:29,775
It is the sing song
in their voice
1033
00:43:29,808 --> 00:43:30,776
and the pat on the shoulders.
1034
00:43:30,809 --> 00:43:32,310
It assumed weakness.
1035
00:43:32,343 --> 00:43:34,345
It assumed thatit was trivial.
1036
00:43:34,412 --> 00:43:35,647
Is there something to fix?
1037
00:43:35,714 --> 00:43:37,448
No, not at all.
1038
00:43:37,482 --> 00:43:39,851
[Cindy].
And it was so dismissive.
1039
00:43:39,918 --> 00:43:42,020
[reporter].
Some doctors sayflibanserin was rejected
1040
00:43:42,087 --> 00:43:43,755
for a very simple reason,
1041
00:43:43,789 --> 00:43:47,125
it's an ineffective drugfor a non-existent problem.
1042
00:43:47,158 --> 00:43:49,127
It's a classic
marketing technique
1043
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,630
to first create a problem
and then sell the solution.
1044
00:43:52,664 --> 00:43:54,365
And that's what's
going on here.
1045
00:43:54,432 --> 00:43:56,134
What is this advocacy group?
1046
00:43:56,167 --> 00:43:58,503
Is it a Sprout PR campaign?
1047
00:43:58,536 --> 00:44:00,071
[reporter].
It looks like a Viagra ad,
1048
00:44:00,105 --> 00:44:02,841
but this parody is mockingall those male pills
1049
00:44:02,908 --> 00:44:04,676
and their bigbudget commercials.
1050
00:44:04,743 --> 00:44:06,511
Even the Score made the video,
1051
00:44:06,544 --> 00:44:09,480
a group backed by nonprofitsand pharmaceutical companies,
1052
00:44:09,514 --> 00:44:11,750
including the onethat makes Flibanserin,
1053
00:44:11,783 --> 00:44:13,819
the so-called"Little Pink Pill."
1054
00:44:15,754 --> 00:44:21,159
[gentle piano music]
1055
00:44:21,192 --> 00:44:23,361
[Cindy].
You can make two choicesin that moment, right?
1056
00:44:23,428 --> 00:44:27,165
You either let it set youback and you lean back from it
1057
00:44:27,198 --> 00:44:28,700
or you lean right into it
1058
00:44:28,734 --> 00:44:30,769
and say, this is the
conversation we're gonna have.
1059
00:44:32,704 --> 00:44:35,606
I took my pink stilettosand I started going to DC.
1060
00:44:36,975 --> 00:44:39,644
And I was knocking on thedoors of these giants
1061
00:44:39,677 --> 00:44:41,546
in women's rightsand women's health
1062
00:44:41,612 --> 00:44:44,215
and I was like, hi, I'm Cindy,
1063
00:44:44,249 --> 00:44:48,019
I have this company and here's
what this condition is.
1064
00:44:48,053 --> 00:44:50,121
And I went with Dr. Goldstein
1065
00:44:50,155 --> 00:44:54,225
so that they could ask an expertany questions they might have.
1066
00:44:54,259 --> 00:44:57,362
And at the end of this meetinga woman named Susan Scanlon
1067
00:44:57,395 --> 00:44:59,898
who ran the National Councilof Women's Organizations,
1068
00:44:59,931 --> 00:45:03,401
came over and she's like,we're gonna fight this.
1069
00:45:07,739 --> 00:45:10,909
When we called it ona double standard,
1070
00:45:10,976 --> 00:45:13,879
this group startedto come together.
1071
00:45:13,912 --> 00:45:17,615
Here were giants of
Women's Health and Rights,
1072
00:45:17,682 --> 00:45:19,217
Black Women'sHealth Imperative,
1073
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:20,919
Nurse Practitionersin Women's Health,
1074
00:45:20,952 --> 00:45:22,620
Nurse-Midwives,
1075
00:45:22,687 --> 00:45:23,855
National Organizationfor Women,
1076
00:45:23,889 --> 00:45:25,223
National Council ofWomen's Organizations,
1077
00:45:25,256 --> 00:45:26,391
National Consumers League,
1078
00:45:26,424 --> 00:45:30,695
incredible like women
that were my heroes.
1079
00:45:33,264 --> 00:45:35,266
The FDA themselveshad deemed this
1080
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:39,537
one of their top ten
areas of unmet need.
1081
00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:41,907
This issue is so prevalent
it affects so many women
1082
00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:44,575
that it was on
their top ten list,
1083
00:45:44,609 --> 00:45:46,845
and yet here we were
in this conversation.
1084
00:45:46,878 --> 00:45:49,614
So for all thesewomen's rights groups,
1085
00:45:49,647 --> 00:45:51,416
with Dr. Goldstein,
1086
00:45:51,449 --> 00:45:55,320
chartered a bus and demandeda meeting with the FDA,
1087
00:45:59,124 --> 00:46:00,826
[reporter].
An FDA advisorypanel today
1088
00:46:00,892 --> 00:46:03,261
hearing the pros andcons of Flibanserin,
1089
00:46:03,294 --> 00:46:05,363
also known as thefemale Viagra.
1090
00:46:06,965 --> 00:46:10,135
[Cindy].
When we fought,other women fought.
1091
00:46:10,201 --> 00:46:12,637
[Susan].
Good morning, thankyou for letting me speak.
1092
00:46:12,670 --> 00:46:14,772
I'm Susan Scanlon,I'm Chair Emerita
1093
00:46:14,806 --> 00:46:17,943
of the National Council ofWomen's Organizations.
1094
00:46:17,976 --> 00:46:20,178
I'm also chair ofEven The Score.
1095
00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:23,982
[Cindy].
You know, I give allcredit to Susan Scanlon,
1096
00:46:24,015 --> 00:46:26,952
who I'm so sad isno longer with us.
1097
00:46:26,985 --> 00:46:30,621
She was larger than life,with a voice to match,
1098
00:46:30,655 --> 00:46:35,827
and, you know, also a huge
mentor of mine in that she said,
1099
00:46:35,861 --> 00:46:38,663
"We're gonna call a
spade a spade here."
1100
00:46:38,696 --> 00:46:42,133
[Susan].
We're tired of hearing thatfemale sexual health is complex
1101
00:46:42,167 --> 00:46:45,503
as if there would be noanswer if we didn't study it.
1102
00:46:45,536 --> 00:46:46,671
Make no mistake,
1103
00:46:46,704 --> 00:46:48,306
men are equally complex
1104
00:46:48,339 --> 00:46:50,775
and there's been noshortage of medications
1105
00:46:50,808 --> 00:46:53,111
to address theirsexual dysfunction.
1106
00:46:53,144 --> 00:46:54,312
In 1960,
1107
00:46:54,345 --> 00:46:57,448
the birth control pillprecipitated a societal shift
1108
00:46:57,482 --> 00:47:01,019
to recognize women's rightsas reproductive beings.
1109
00:47:01,086 --> 00:47:04,990
In 2014, let's shift torecognize women's rights
1110
00:47:05,023 --> 00:47:06,691
as sexual beings.
1111
00:47:06,724 --> 00:47:08,059
Thank you very much.
1112
00:47:08,126 --> 00:47:10,661
[crowd applauding]
1113
00:47:10,695 --> 00:47:12,230
[Cindy].
I would challenge anybody,
1114
00:47:12,297 --> 00:47:15,533
what is better thanto have advocacy?
1115
00:47:15,566 --> 00:47:16,534
The best things have happened
1116
00:47:16,601 --> 00:47:18,569
when patients havetaken the mic
1117
00:47:18,636 --> 00:47:20,638
and demandedwhat they deserve.
1118
00:47:20,671 --> 00:47:22,740
My name is Judith,I'm 66 years old
1119
00:47:22,807 --> 00:47:24,709
and I've beendealing with FSD
1120
00:47:24,775 --> 00:47:27,012
on and off for 17 years.
1121
00:47:27,045 --> 00:47:30,481
Hi, I'm Katherine,I'm from Indianapolis, Indiana.
1122
00:47:30,515 --> 00:47:34,019
I learned in high school sexed that a woman's sexual prime,
1123
00:47:34,052 --> 00:47:36,021
so to speak,is in her thirties,
1124
00:47:36,054 --> 00:47:37,555
yet here I am.
1125
00:47:37,588 --> 00:47:40,725
[Barbara].
It is amazing how manywomen of all ages I talked to
1126
00:47:40,758 --> 00:47:43,194
that have somedegree of HSDD,
1127
00:47:43,228 --> 00:47:47,832
this disorder is realand we need a solution.
1128
00:47:47,865 --> 00:47:51,869
At that time, there was
a lot of feeling that
1129
00:47:51,903 --> 00:47:55,106
we were medicalizing HSDD.
1130
00:47:55,173 --> 00:47:56,975
And finally we have Susan.
1131
00:47:58,009 --> 00:47:59,077
Hi, I'm Susan.
1132
00:47:59,110 --> 00:48:02,280
I stopped having desirefor sex about two years
1133
00:48:02,347 --> 00:48:05,550
into my now 11-yearpartnership with my husband.
1134
00:48:05,583 --> 00:48:07,385
My partner and I haddone work on ourselves
1135
00:48:07,418 --> 00:48:08,886
in a therapeutic setting.
1136
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,556
We learned that our sexualproblems were a co-created
1137
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:13,724
problem in our relationship.
1138
00:48:13,758 --> 00:48:15,560
[Anita].
Their idea was really that
1139
00:48:15,593 --> 00:48:17,895
it was saying
you have a condition
1140
00:48:17,929 --> 00:48:21,066
that they didn't have
because they were normal.
1141
00:48:21,099 --> 00:48:22,833
[reporter].
Clinical psychologistLeonore Tiefer
1142
00:48:22,867 --> 00:48:24,235
says Sprout has concocteda women's rights issue
1143
00:48:24,269 --> 00:48:28,406
to guilt the FDA intoapproving flibanserin.
1144
00:48:28,439 --> 00:48:32,877
It's just a mishmash
of politics and science
1145
00:48:32,910 --> 00:48:35,113
and sex and money.
1146
00:48:35,180 --> 00:48:36,414
Money, money, money.
1147
00:48:36,447 --> 00:48:38,916
[reporter].
The FDA's ruling isdue later this month.
1148
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:42,954
[Joshua].
Some people felt like women'sdesire was more complicated
1149
00:48:43,021 --> 00:48:45,756
and we shouldn't bemedicating women
1150
00:48:45,790 --> 00:48:48,159
because oftentimes their
desire can get better
1151
00:48:48,226 --> 00:48:50,228
if they're working
with a therapist
1152
00:48:50,261 --> 00:48:52,597
or you know, seeing a couple's
therapist with their partner.
1153
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:54,632
[reporter].
This busy mom of four,Amanda Parrish,
1154
00:48:54,665 --> 00:48:57,602
says she used to havea smouldering sex life
1155
00:48:57,635 --> 00:48:59,037
with her husband.
1156
00:48:59,070 --> 00:49:01,806
[doctor].
This drug isn't necessarilygoing to treat the fatigue
1157
00:49:01,872 --> 00:49:03,641
that might be giving
you a low sex drive
1158
00:49:03,674 --> 00:49:06,311
or you know, the kids that
you have running around
1159
00:49:06,377 --> 00:49:08,579
or the partner who
isn't helping you out
1160
00:49:08,613 --> 00:49:09,814
with the chores
around the house.
1161
00:49:09,847 --> 00:49:11,082
[Joshua].
That's totally true.
1162
00:49:11,116 --> 00:49:16,154
But why shouldn't weoffer a medication
1163
00:49:16,221 --> 00:49:18,823
that has been shown,
clinically proven,
1164
00:49:18,856 --> 00:49:20,158
to help increase desire?
1165
00:49:20,191 --> 00:49:22,327
Not to say that it's
one or the other.
1166
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,462
In fact, I think most people
that prescribe this medication
1167
00:49:24,495 --> 00:49:25,663
would say,
1168
00:49:25,696 --> 00:49:27,632
keeping that
therapy stuff around
1169
00:49:27,665 --> 00:49:29,634
is really important, right?
1170
00:49:29,667 --> 00:49:33,238
But if you can providea medical solution
1171
00:49:33,271 --> 00:49:37,008
in conjunction withpsychological treatments,
1172
00:49:37,075 --> 00:49:39,344
why would we deny women that?
1173
00:49:39,377 --> 00:49:41,646
Women don't need treatments
with real side effects
1174
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:44,349
for imaginary diseases
invented by marketers.
1175
00:49:44,415 --> 00:49:47,185
[Sue].
If you've neverexperienced HSDD,
1176
00:49:47,218 --> 00:49:48,686
you don't understand
what it is.
1177
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:49,987
[Thea].
It is a thinly veiled,
1178
00:49:50,021 --> 00:49:53,191
profit-driven marketingcampaign filled with bias,
1179
00:49:53,258 --> 00:49:56,161
misleading,
unsubstantiated information.
1180
00:49:56,194 --> 00:49:58,096
I think it's a scam.
1181
00:49:58,129 --> 00:50:02,300
To have a community fighting
and saying we were medicalizing
1182
00:50:02,333 --> 00:50:04,202
and claiming this wasn't
a biologic problem.
1183
00:50:04,235 --> 00:50:07,138
Well I will tell you it's
a, it's in your brain.
1184
00:50:07,172 --> 00:50:10,308
The language I like to use when
they say it's all in your head,
1185
00:50:10,341 --> 00:50:12,710
well, your brain is
up in your head.
1186
00:50:12,777 --> 00:50:13,744
This is your brain.
1187
00:50:13,811 --> 00:50:14,745
We live in a world
1188
00:50:14,812 --> 00:50:16,747
where women should have
a choice for their body
1189
00:50:16,814 --> 00:50:18,149
and they should
be able to choose
1190
00:50:18,183 --> 00:50:20,318
if they wanna take a a pill,
1191
00:50:20,351 --> 00:50:23,054
an injection, sex therapy,
1192
00:50:23,121 --> 00:50:24,255
or all of them.
1193
00:50:24,322 --> 00:50:25,923
But who is anyone
else to tell me?
1194
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:27,225
And that's what angered me.
1195
00:50:27,258 --> 00:50:31,028
Who is that anyone else to tell
me I have a biologic problem?
1196
00:50:31,062 --> 00:50:32,563
I know that I was
functional before.
1197
00:50:32,597 --> 00:50:34,265
I know it's not in
my relationship.
1198
00:50:34,332 --> 00:50:36,067
I know something's changed.
1199
00:50:36,101 --> 00:50:38,736
Who is gonna tell me I
can't do something about it?
1200
00:50:38,769 --> 00:50:44,008
So the mood of the FDA
was very much a combative
1201
00:50:44,041 --> 00:50:47,678
that either you believed
in a biologic treatment
1202
00:50:47,712 --> 00:50:48,713
or you believed
1203
00:50:48,746 --> 00:50:51,382
that you shouldn't have
a biologic treatment.
1204
00:50:51,416 --> 00:50:53,551
[male reporter].
A major medical headlinetonight involving women,
1205
00:50:53,584 --> 00:50:55,920
the drug nicknamedthe Little Pink Pill.
1206
00:50:55,986 --> 00:50:58,022
A key decision today.
1207
00:50:58,055 --> 00:51:00,091
[female reporter].
FDA advisors willonce again consider
1208
00:51:00,158 --> 00:51:04,395
whether to approve a drug that'salready been rejected twice.
1209
00:51:04,429 --> 00:51:06,063
[female reporter 2].
Women now once step closer
1210
00:51:06,097 --> 00:51:08,299
with joining theirfrisky male counterparts
1211
00:51:08,366 --> 00:51:10,935
who've enjoyed the benefits ofpills to help their sex lives
1212
00:51:10,968 --> 00:51:12,370
for years.
1213
00:51:13,003 --> 00:51:15,306
[Josephine].
I arrived at FDA whenthe doors opened
1214
00:51:15,373 --> 00:51:17,275
and then as people startedto come, they were like,
1215
00:51:17,342 --> 00:51:20,411
you know, there's people on the
road, um, leading into the FDA
1216
00:51:20,445 --> 00:51:22,079
with signs and banners
1217
00:51:22,113 --> 00:51:24,449
and like, I think it's
gonna be a tough day.
1218
00:51:27,418 --> 00:51:29,954
I was in my urology
training at Georgetown
1219
00:51:29,987 --> 00:51:32,757
and so I was in the
Washington DC area
1220
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:35,092
and it just felt important.
1221
00:51:35,126 --> 00:51:37,595
I can't describe it,but it felt historical.
1222
00:51:38,363 --> 00:51:39,764
[Vivian].
Good morning.
1223
00:51:39,797 --> 00:51:42,400
We have a very full agenda.
1224
00:51:42,433 --> 00:51:45,002
Welcome to the
Drugs Advisory Committee.
1225
00:51:45,803 --> 00:51:47,205
[Cindy].
It was straight out of a movie.
1226
00:51:47,238 --> 00:51:49,274
FDA's never seen
crowds like this.
1227
00:51:49,307 --> 00:51:52,510
The press were showing up,
everybody was in this room
1228
00:51:52,577 --> 00:51:55,646
and it feels a little bit likeyou're at the Supreme Court.
1229
00:51:57,081 --> 00:51:59,317
[Josephine].
The first FDA meetingI went to with Cindy,
1230
00:51:59,350 --> 00:52:01,952
you know, I had at that pointmet her a number of times
1231
00:52:01,986 --> 00:52:03,120
in person.
1232
00:52:03,154 --> 00:52:05,356
She was oddly always
wearing pink.
1233
00:52:05,423 --> 00:52:06,257
And so I had this concern
1234
00:52:06,291 --> 00:52:08,259
that she was gonna
wear pink to FDA,
1235
00:52:08,293 --> 00:52:11,296
and so I got up my nerve
to tell her, so don't,
1236
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:14,865
don't wear pink to FDA
because you won't be credible.
1237
00:52:14,932 --> 00:52:18,002
And she really didn't
say yes or no,
1238
00:52:18,035 --> 00:52:19,870
but she showed up
the next day in pink.
1239
00:52:21,172 --> 00:52:22,773
[Cindy].
When I showed upat FDA meetings
1240
00:52:22,807 --> 00:52:25,176
and my pink got brighterand brighter and brighter
1241
00:52:25,243 --> 00:52:27,011
until you could see
it from outer space.
1242
00:52:27,044 --> 00:52:29,780
To me it was aboutbeing unapologetic
1243
00:52:29,814 --> 00:52:31,782
and actually whatwas at the root of that
1244
00:52:31,816 --> 00:52:34,285
was the conversationwe needed to have.
1245
00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:36,221
[Josephine].
I will tell you that the morningof the advisory committee,
1246
00:52:36,287 --> 00:52:37,455
I mean, it was very tense
1247
00:52:37,488 --> 00:52:39,857
and I was in my black
suit and my beige shirt,
1248
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:43,361
and I just went up to her and
I knelt down right next to her
1249
00:52:43,394 --> 00:52:44,395
and I just said,
1250
00:52:44,462 --> 00:52:46,464
"I'm wearing pink underwear."
1251
00:52:46,497 --> 00:52:48,533
Like just to like,
lighten the mood,
1252
00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:50,835
which was like also
happened to be true.
1253
00:52:50,868 --> 00:52:53,371
Thank you Dr. Lewisand good morning.
1254
00:52:53,404 --> 00:52:55,440
I'd like to take a moment.I'm Josephine Torrente,
1255
00:52:55,473 --> 00:52:56,507
Executive Vice President
1256
00:52:56,541 --> 00:52:58,676
of Corporate andRegulatory Affairs
1257
00:52:58,709 --> 00:53:00,578
at Sprout Pharmaceuticals.
1258
00:53:00,645 --> 00:53:04,815
The first statementby FDA was a defence
1259
00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:06,451
that they are not
in fact biassed.
1260
00:53:07,385 --> 00:53:11,622
So, uh, some have claimed
gender bias on the part of FDA
1261
00:53:11,656 --> 00:53:15,893
when it comes to treatments
for female sexual dysfunction.
1262
00:53:15,926 --> 00:53:19,430
The FDA firmly rejectsthis assertion.
1263
00:53:19,497 --> 00:53:22,066
FDA is always concernedwith unmet needs,
1264
00:53:22,132 --> 00:53:25,836
whether this is in women,men or in children.
1265
00:53:25,870 --> 00:53:29,874
[Josephine].
The fact that FDA feltthe pressure to say,
1266
00:53:29,907 --> 00:53:32,610
"We are not biassed
against women's health,"
1267
00:53:32,677 --> 00:53:36,414
just tells you the impact
that these women were having
1268
00:53:36,447 --> 00:53:39,384
by going to FDA and saying,
we need a drug for this.
1269
00:53:39,417 --> 00:53:41,252
Don't diminish the benefit.
1270
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:50,227
[soft dramatic music]
1271
00:53:50,261 --> 00:53:51,429
Good afternoon.
My name is Barbara.
1272
00:53:51,496 --> 00:53:52,463
I'm a nurse.
1273
00:53:52,530 --> 00:53:53,564
This is my daughter Vicky,
1274
00:53:53,598 --> 00:53:56,467
and we are patients
of Dr. Goldstein
1275
00:53:56,534 --> 00:54:00,438
and we have no interest in
the outcome of this meeting.
1276
00:54:00,505 --> 00:54:02,072
I'm Amanda Parrish.
1277
00:54:02,106 --> 00:54:04,942
I am one of thelucky 11,000 women
1278
00:54:04,975 --> 00:54:07,745
that was a patient on theFlibanserin clinical trial.
1279
00:54:07,778 --> 00:54:09,980
I'm here with my husband Ben.
1280
00:54:10,047 --> 00:54:13,250
We funded our own trip and
we have no financial stake
1281
00:54:13,284 --> 00:54:14,885
at the outcome of this meeting.
1282
00:54:14,919 --> 00:54:17,121
Hi, my name is
Katherine Campbell.
1283
00:54:17,154 --> 00:54:20,257
My travel expenses are
being reimbursed by Sprout.
1284
00:54:20,291 --> 00:54:22,427
I hope everyone understands
that my husband and I
1285
00:54:22,460 --> 00:54:25,730
do not have money set aside
to fly back and forth to DC
1286
00:54:25,763 --> 00:54:28,799
so that I can talk about how
much sex we're not having.
1287
00:54:29,467 --> 00:54:34,104
[Cindy].
Here you are with womenwho've taken time off work,
1288
00:54:34,138 --> 00:54:35,773
had somebodybabysit the kids,
1289
00:54:35,806 --> 00:54:38,309
potentially flyacross country
1290
00:54:38,343 --> 00:54:41,312
to reveal their mostprivate struggle
1291
00:54:41,346 --> 00:54:45,483
behind the closed doors of their
bedroom at a federal agency.
1292
00:54:45,550 --> 00:54:46,451
My name is Kelly Stapp
1293
00:54:46,484 --> 00:54:48,653
and I have no financial
things to disclose,
1294
00:54:48,686 --> 00:54:51,456
but I will disclose the fact
that I'm a bit scared to death
1295
00:54:51,489 --> 00:54:53,958
to stand up here and
talk about this.
1296
00:54:53,991 --> 00:54:57,795
[Cindy].
Can you imagine like howjust awkward, uncomfortable,
1297
00:54:57,828 --> 00:55:00,698
brave it was forthem to do that?
1298
00:55:00,765 --> 00:55:02,467
They're the heroes
of this story.
1299
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:04,369
Hello, my name is
Erica [indistinct]
1300
00:55:04,435 --> 00:55:05,803
and I hate public speaking,
1301
00:55:05,836 --> 00:55:07,438
but I'm here anyway.
1302
00:55:07,472 --> 00:55:10,775
I am here today to tell
you HSDD is not a figment
1303
00:55:10,808 --> 00:55:12,309
of a woman's imagination.
1304
00:55:12,343 --> 00:55:14,479
It's not a fiction inventedby the drug companies
1305
00:55:14,512 --> 00:55:16,481
and it's not a diseaseforced upon women
1306
00:55:16,514 --> 00:55:17,948
by the medical community.
1307
00:55:17,982 --> 00:55:19,517
HSDD is real.
1308
00:55:19,550 --> 00:55:21,352
I know because I had it
1309
00:55:21,386 --> 00:55:22,820
When I was 24 years old
1310
00:55:22,853 --> 00:55:24,855
I was diagnosed
with breast cancer.
1311
00:55:24,889 --> 00:55:25,956
I was clearly informed
1312
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:28,359
of many of the potential
negative consequences
1313
00:55:28,426 --> 00:55:29,827
of surgical menopause.
1314
00:55:29,860 --> 00:55:32,997
But no one ever advised me
that I was at an increased risk
1315
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:34,599
for HSDD.
1316
00:55:34,632 --> 00:55:37,368
There was so much
emotion in the room.
1317
00:55:37,402 --> 00:55:40,971
A television doctor suggested
on an interview just last night
1318
00:55:41,005 --> 00:55:43,307
that maybe my libido
is low sometimes
1319
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:45,209
because I've had a bad day.
1320
00:55:45,242 --> 00:55:47,578
An anchor on a morning
show yesterday said
1321
00:55:47,645 --> 00:55:49,547
that she doesn't need
treatment because a housekeeper
1322
00:55:49,614 --> 00:55:53,017
and time away from the kids
would solve her desire issues.
1323
00:55:53,050 --> 00:55:56,654
If your sexual desire issues
can be cured with a good day
1324
00:55:56,687 --> 00:55:59,056
and a babysitter,
then congratulations,
1325
00:55:59,089 --> 00:56:01,559
you do not have HSDD,
1326
00:56:01,592 --> 00:56:03,561
but the rest of us would
sure appreciate it
1327
00:56:03,594 --> 00:56:05,596
if you would stop
dismissing our concerns
1328
00:56:05,663 --> 00:56:08,132
and making a complete
mockery of the issue.
1329
00:56:10,167 --> 00:56:12,236
Hi, my name is Vicky Loftus.
1330
00:56:12,269 --> 00:56:15,272
I was on the patient
panel in October, 2014
1331
00:56:15,339 --> 00:56:17,675
and told my story
about how HSDD
1332
00:56:17,708 --> 00:56:20,377
has negatively
affected my life.
1333
00:56:20,411 --> 00:56:22,847
My mother was onthe panel as well.
1334
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,682
We both shared ourindividual struggles,
1335
00:56:24,715 --> 00:56:26,584
which were sadlyvery similar.
1336
00:56:26,651 --> 00:56:28,519
Since my appearanceon the panel,
1337
00:56:28,553 --> 00:56:30,254
my marriage hassuffered greatly.
1338
00:56:30,287 --> 00:56:32,723
So much so that the
conversation of divorce
1339
00:56:32,757 --> 00:56:36,627
is on the table stemming
from my low sexual desire.
1340
00:56:36,694 --> 00:56:38,563
My husband has a difficult
time understanding
1341
00:56:38,596 --> 00:56:40,631
my struggle with
this disorder.
1342
00:56:40,698 --> 00:56:42,900
He still takes my
avoidance of sex personally
1343
00:56:42,933 --> 00:56:45,402
thinking I don't
love him anymore
1344
00:56:45,436 --> 00:56:46,604
and there is something
wrong with him,
1345
00:56:46,637 --> 00:56:48,439
which is farthest
from the truth.
1346
00:56:51,141 --> 00:56:53,444
[Barbara].
As a mom standingnext to your daughter
1347
00:56:53,511 --> 00:56:56,481
who is going througha divorce at that time,
1348
00:56:56,547 --> 00:57:00,117
for her to get infront of an FDA panel,
1349
00:57:00,184 --> 00:57:02,720
it took a lot ofcourage on her part.
1350
00:57:02,753 --> 00:57:06,791
It was a very traumaticthing for her.
1351
00:57:06,857 --> 00:57:11,596
So to listen tothose hecklers it,
1352
00:57:11,629 --> 00:57:15,432
it was heartbreaking
to watch that.
1353
00:57:15,466 --> 00:57:16,934
It was just heartbreaking.
1354
00:57:16,967 --> 00:57:18,636
[audience clapping]
1355
00:57:18,669 --> 00:57:21,138
Thank you.
Speaker 31, please.
1356
00:57:21,205 --> 00:57:22,773
There was a woman
who stood up and said,
1357
00:57:22,807 --> 00:57:24,642
let me give you some options:
1358
00:57:26,511 --> 00:57:27,745
read erotica,
1359
00:57:27,778 --> 00:57:29,947
find a different partner,
1360
00:57:29,980 --> 00:57:32,316
get a better shower head.
1361
00:57:32,349 --> 00:57:34,084
[woman].
Here are some things thathave helped me with periods
1362
00:57:34,118 --> 00:57:35,653
of low libido:
1363
00:57:37,187 --> 00:57:38,523
switching boyfriends,
1364
00:57:38,589 --> 00:57:40,625
chocolate, coffee,
1365
00:57:40,658 --> 00:57:42,993
certain episodesof Grey's Anatomy
1366
00:57:43,027 --> 00:57:44,161
pornography,
1367
00:57:44,228 --> 00:57:45,963
upgrading my vibrator,
1368
00:57:45,996 --> 00:57:47,164
reading 50 Shades of Grey,
1369
00:57:47,197 --> 00:57:49,099
a removable shower head,
1370
00:57:49,133 --> 00:57:52,136
and an acceptance of myselfand the libido I came with.
1371
00:57:52,169 --> 00:57:55,172
[woman 2].
Excuse me, Alexandra, sorry,your two minutes is up.
1372
00:57:56,574 --> 00:57:58,843
[Cindy].
That's all saying you'redoing something wrong
1373
00:57:58,876 --> 00:58:00,645
and it's your fault.
1374
00:58:01,245 --> 00:58:04,148
And you just watched
the faces of women
1375
00:58:04,181 --> 00:58:05,950
who were brave enough
to say the thing
1376
00:58:05,983 --> 00:58:06,984
they were struggling with
1377
00:58:07,017 --> 00:58:11,722
and then others mock them,
be cruel to them.
1378
00:58:11,789 --> 00:58:14,158
And that was hard to watch.
1379
00:58:14,191 --> 00:58:17,595
Sprout's lobbying effortcalled Even The Score
1380
00:58:17,628 --> 00:58:22,833
has used deception to mobilizewomen with real sexual concerns
1381
00:58:22,867 --> 00:58:25,369
to lobby for theirquestionable product.
1382
00:58:25,435 --> 00:58:27,337
They've tried todistract the public,
1383
00:58:27,371 --> 00:58:28,706
bully the FDA,
1384
00:58:28,773 --> 00:58:32,710
and they have hampered
real sex research.
1385
00:58:32,777 --> 00:58:34,378
But make no mistake,
1386
00:58:34,411 --> 00:58:37,682
Even The Score revealsthe methods and values
1387
00:58:37,715 --> 00:58:39,750
of Sprout Pharmaceuticals.
1388
00:58:39,817 --> 00:58:42,352
Reject this drugonce and for all
1389
00:58:42,386 --> 00:58:44,589
and let's move on toreally help women.
1390
00:58:45,556 --> 00:58:46,523
Thank you.
1391
00:58:46,557 --> 00:58:48,993
Speaker 32, please.
1392
00:58:49,026 --> 00:58:51,729
There was so much politics.
1393
00:58:51,796 --> 00:58:55,165
There was so many people
there angry about the idea
1394
00:58:55,199 --> 00:58:57,835
that a medicine could
help with sexual health.
1395
00:58:57,868 --> 00:58:58,836
If there were clear evidence
1396
00:58:58,869 --> 00:59:00,805
of a clinically
meaningful benefit,
1397
00:59:00,838 --> 00:59:02,740
which I don't
believe there is,
1398
00:59:02,773 --> 00:59:05,275
significant but not
clinically meaningful,
1399
00:59:05,342 --> 00:59:07,712
accompanied by
manageable risks,
1400
00:59:07,745 --> 00:59:09,614
approval might be appropriate.
1401
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,749
Flibanserin is a
mediocre aphrodisiac
1402
00:59:11,782 --> 00:59:13,250
with scary side effects.
1403
00:59:13,317 --> 00:59:16,420
Its effects may be due tonon-specific sedating effects,
1404
00:59:16,453 --> 00:59:19,023
apparently equivalentto four drinks.
1405
00:59:19,056 --> 00:59:21,258
One of the fears the FDA had
1406
00:59:21,291 --> 00:59:23,728
was that this was
like an aphrodisiac
1407
00:59:23,761 --> 00:59:26,964
and it might be slipped into
somebody's drink in a bar
1408
00:59:27,031 --> 00:59:29,734
and then they'd have
sex with some stranger.
1409
00:59:29,767 --> 00:59:30,901
One thing I worry about is
1410
00:59:30,935 --> 00:59:33,771
because of the
indication of this drug,
1411
00:59:33,838 --> 00:59:40,577
could it be thought of
as like a date rape drug?
1412
00:59:40,611 --> 00:59:43,080
I think that's an
excellent point
1413
00:59:43,113 --> 00:59:47,918
and that is something certainly
that we have thought about.
1414
00:59:47,952 --> 00:59:49,954
But it doesn't work
like that at all.
1415
00:59:50,020 --> 00:59:51,889
Anything that you
have to take daily,
1416
00:59:51,922 --> 00:59:53,724
I will tell you that
1417
00:59:53,758 --> 00:59:56,293
you have to have taken it
for a certain number of days
1418
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,595
before it really has an effect.
1419
00:59:58,629 --> 01:00:00,130
My name is Dr. Irwin Goldstein.
1420
01:00:00,164 --> 01:00:01,866
I serve on
Sprouts Advisory Board.
1421
01:00:01,899 --> 01:00:03,100
And I'm Sue Goldstein.
1422
01:00:03,133 --> 01:00:04,969
We're here for San Diego
Sexual Medicine today,
1423
01:00:05,002 --> 01:00:07,638
and we have no financial
interest in today's outcome.
1424
01:00:07,672 --> 01:00:09,874
[Irwin].
It was very distressing
1425
01:00:09,907 --> 01:00:12,777
that colleagueswould take this view
1426
01:00:12,810 --> 01:00:14,812
that we were harming people,
1427
01:00:14,879 --> 01:00:17,281
and we had a lot ofevidence that wasn't true.
1428
01:00:17,314 --> 01:00:19,016
It's an embarrassment,
it's a humiliation.
1429
01:00:19,083 --> 01:00:20,918
It's a evil against women.
1430
01:00:20,951 --> 01:00:23,320
It's crazy. It's just crazy.
1431
01:00:23,387 --> 01:00:26,456
To the experts who
do not manage women
1432
01:00:26,490 --> 01:00:27,858
with sexual health problems,
1433
01:00:27,925 --> 01:00:30,661
give these women the
right to choose,
1434
01:00:30,728 --> 01:00:32,963
vote yes to approve,and thank you.
1435
01:00:32,997 --> 01:00:34,665
[Sue].
Thank you.
1436
01:00:34,732 --> 01:00:36,100
[Anita].
Some of this, I think,
1437
01:00:36,133 --> 01:00:38,502
is an attempt tocontrol women,
1438
01:00:38,535 --> 01:00:42,039
and that's been going
on for millennia.
1439
01:00:42,106 --> 01:00:44,141
It's going on now.
1440
01:00:44,174 --> 01:00:47,511
There really is a whole sense
1441
01:00:47,544 --> 01:00:51,048
of not hearing women andnot trying to help them,
1442
01:00:51,115 --> 01:00:54,885
or trying to block somethingwhen help is available.
1443
01:00:54,952 --> 01:00:57,221
And that's
unconscionable to me.
1444
01:01:01,558 --> 01:01:02,827
I'm Dr. Anita Clayton.
1445
01:01:02,860 --> 01:01:05,062
I'm gonna get
straight to the point.
1446
01:01:05,129 --> 01:01:07,998
Stop moving the goalposts.
1447
01:01:08,032 --> 01:01:09,666
The efficacy, safety,
1448
01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:11,836
and clinically meaningful
effects of Flibanserin
1449
01:01:11,869 --> 01:01:13,370
are clear.
1450
01:01:13,403 --> 01:01:16,941
Maybe the message is that you
don't trust women with HSDD,
1451
01:01:18,042 --> 01:01:20,911
or you just don't trust women.
1452
01:01:20,978 --> 01:01:23,714
At the core of this
whole thing was really,
1453
01:01:23,748 --> 01:01:25,282
does it matter?
1454
01:01:25,615 --> 01:01:27,417
And do women deserve.
1455
01:01:27,484 --> 01:01:28,819
I think that's
really what it was.
1456
01:01:28,853 --> 01:01:31,055
Like all this other
was just noise.
1457
01:01:31,121 --> 01:01:34,024
It was just noise to distract
1458
01:01:34,058 --> 01:01:36,226
from the bias at
the centre of it,
1459
01:01:36,260 --> 01:01:37,895
which is, we don't
think it really matters
1460
01:01:37,928 --> 01:01:39,696
if women have a more
satisfying sex life.
1461
01:01:39,730 --> 01:01:41,198
That's the truth.
1462
01:01:41,231 --> 01:01:44,869
We literally heard
this from the FDA
1463
01:01:44,902 --> 01:01:48,906
is that women do not
have to desire sex
1464
01:01:48,939 --> 01:01:50,474
to have sex.
1465
01:01:53,243 --> 01:01:55,179
Yeah.
1466
01:01:55,212 --> 01:01:57,181
[Vivian].
So with that said,
1467
01:01:57,214 --> 01:02:01,085
we will now turn tothe voting process.
1468
01:02:01,118 --> 01:02:02,987
[Cindy].
I think about the stakes
1469
01:02:03,020 --> 01:02:05,055
because I knew what
we were up against.
1470
01:02:07,224 --> 01:02:10,727
Ooh. Because we had
done everything we could
1471
01:02:10,761 --> 01:02:12,897
and the team was nervous.
1472
01:02:12,930 --> 01:02:15,933
We felt immense pressure
to win it for women.
1473
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,768
All the women that showed up,
1474
01:02:17,802 --> 01:02:20,037
all the women's healthand rights advocates,
1475
01:02:20,070 --> 01:02:22,773
all the doctors,
1476
01:02:22,807 --> 01:02:24,842
Okay, we ready?
1477
01:02:25,843 --> 01:02:27,878
Okay, let's go.
1478
01:02:30,047 --> 01:02:31,982
[Josephine].
The emotions are justup and down all day,
1479
01:02:32,049 --> 01:02:35,285
and then they vote sort
of secretly, right?
1480
01:02:35,319 --> 01:02:36,921
They all press a button
1481
01:02:36,954 --> 01:02:39,089
so that they can'tinfluence each other,
1482
01:02:39,123 --> 01:02:41,158
and the number justcomes up on the screen.
1483
01:02:42,793 --> 01:02:46,897
That process probablytook a minute and a half,
1484
01:02:46,931 --> 01:02:49,733
it felt like twenty minutes
1485
01:02:49,766 --> 01:02:51,902
before that number
came up on the screen,
1486
01:02:51,936 --> 01:02:53,971
and then the room
just erupted.
1487
01:02:54,038 --> 01:02:55,139
[cheering]
1488
01:02:55,172 --> 01:02:59,076
[upbeat music]
1489
01:02:59,109 --> 01:03:01,278
* Never believed Icould feel like this
1490
01:03:01,311 --> 01:03:02,980
* Got me feeling so high
1491
01:03:03,047 --> 01:03:07,317
[female reporter].
The FDA approving thecontroversial Little Pink Pill.
1492
01:03:07,351 --> 01:03:08,953
[male reporter].
The FDA approvedthe new drug
1493
01:03:08,986 --> 01:03:11,421
designed to boostthe female libido.
1494
01:03:11,455 --> 01:03:13,190
* And there ain'tnobody can blame me
1495
01:03:13,257 --> 01:03:15,292
* They can't blame me now
1496
01:03:15,325 --> 01:03:17,494
* 'Cause everything you doing,yeah that's how I like it
1497
01:03:17,561 --> 01:03:18,695
* You know whatyou're doing, yeah *
1498
01:03:18,762 --> 01:03:21,298
[Josephine].
We got an 18 to sixpositive vote.
1499
01:03:21,331 --> 01:03:24,034
It just tells you thestrength of the data
1500
01:03:24,101 --> 01:03:26,971
and also the strength ofthe people who spoke to say,
1501
01:03:27,004 --> 01:03:29,773
this is meaningful andI do need this drug.
1502
01:03:33,110 --> 01:03:35,980
[Cindy].
That day in the roomwhen my hand was shaking
1503
01:03:36,013 --> 01:03:38,148
as the score went up,
1504
01:03:38,182 --> 01:03:39,984
I don't know that the FDA'sever had a whole room
1505
01:03:40,017 --> 01:03:44,188
erupt into cheers over anapproval of a medication.
1506
01:03:44,221 --> 01:03:46,323
It was so validating.
1507
01:03:46,356 --> 01:03:48,225
And I was on the last
flight out to New York
1508
01:03:48,292 --> 01:03:50,160
to do press the next morning.
1509
01:03:50,194 --> 01:03:53,864
* I hope that you,
you were talkin' 'bout me *
1510
01:03:53,898 --> 01:03:56,500
[Cindy].
Yesterday science wonand so too did women.
1511
01:03:56,533 --> 01:03:58,368
Finally, women have the ability
1512
01:03:58,402 --> 01:04:00,971
to make the choice with
their healthcare providers
1513
01:04:01,005 --> 01:04:02,139
whether or not
they want treatment
1514
01:04:02,172 --> 01:04:05,042
for the most common form of
female sexual dysfunction.
1515
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:07,978
And it's been a long time
to get to this moment.
1516
01:04:08,012 --> 01:04:10,514
What about the reality
of money raising
1517
01:04:10,547 --> 01:04:13,017
when it comes to
now marketing this,
1518
01:04:13,050 --> 01:04:14,985
and Cind, you're a small
company, privately held.
1519
01:04:15,019 --> 01:04:16,853
We are small, yes.
1520
01:04:16,887 --> 01:04:18,688
How are you going
to pay for all this?
1521
01:04:21,558 --> 01:04:23,327
[Cindy].
We were the largestnews story in the world.
1522
01:04:24,161 --> 01:04:27,898
And then the phonestarted ringing.
1523
01:04:27,965 --> 01:04:30,034
In August 2015,we got the approval.
1524
01:04:31,401 --> 01:04:34,404
Two days later, we sold the
company for a billion dollars.
1525
01:04:34,438 --> 01:04:41,411
[upbeat dramatic music]
1526
01:04:41,445 --> 01:04:43,147
*
1527
01:04:43,180 --> 01:04:46,583
[Cindy].
Up until about 4:00 AM in themorning the night before,
1528
01:04:46,650 --> 01:04:48,385
we were still goingback and forth.
1529
01:04:48,418 --> 01:04:50,587
And I can remember sittingin the seat at Squawk Box
1530
01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:52,322
next to the CEO,
1531
01:04:52,356 --> 01:04:55,292
and they wantedconfirmation of the signature.
1532
01:04:55,359 --> 01:04:57,561
And they were like 5, 4, 3.
1533
01:04:57,594 --> 01:04:58,662
We got it!
1534
01:04:58,695 --> 01:05:00,897
And it just happened
right there on air.
1535
01:05:00,931 --> 01:05:03,100
To be sure, science
has won the day here.
1536
01:05:03,167 --> 01:05:05,235
So this is a condition that
we've known about medically
1537
01:05:05,269 --> 01:05:06,937
since 1977.
1538
01:05:06,971 --> 01:05:09,106
We have four decades of
medical literature on it.
1539
01:05:09,173 --> 01:05:10,407
The opportunity's quite large.
1540
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,742
You know, and certainly in the
hundreds of millions for us.
1541
01:05:12,776 --> 01:05:14,778
But we're hope, hopefully
it's in the billions
1542
01:05:14,811 --> 01:05:16,580
in terms of, uh,
what this could do
1543
01:05:16,613 --> 01:05:18,782
from a, from a
revenue standpoint,
1544
01:05:18,815 --> 01:05:21,986
[Cindy].
This whole fight hasbeen about getting women,
1545
01:05:22,052 --> 01:05:22,953
myself included,
1546
01:05:23,020 --> 01:05:26,456
what we deserve and
knowing our worth.
1547
01:05:26,490 --> 01:05:27,624
And I wasn't gonna
take something
1548
01:05:27,657 --> 01:05:29,059
that wasn't what
this was worth.
1549
01:05:29,093 --> 01:05:30,961
Let me ask you about
the Valeant acquisition
1550
01:05:31,028 --> 01:05:33,063
and sort of what
that did for you
1551
01:05:33,097 --> 01:05:36,100
because you've got a lot
more marketing muscle,
1552
01:05:36,133 --> 01:05:38,602
a lot more oomph
behind this product now.
1553
01:05:38,635 --> 01:05:40,470
What kind of a game
changer was that for you?
1554
01:05:40,504 --> 01:05:41,438
Game changer.
1555
01:05:41,471 --> 01:05:43,173
We're a 34 person company
1556
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,475
who managed to get this
across the finish line.
1557
01:05:45,509 --> 01:05:48,412
So this is the ability to make
good on the mission, right?
1558
01:05:48,445 --> 01:05:50,280
This is gonna be
accessible to women
1559
01:05:50,314 --> 01:05:52,782
every corner of the globe
1560
01:05:52,816 --> 01:05:54,784
because we needed
a global player
1561
01:05:54,818 --> 01:05:57,354
to be able to do that in a
way this tiny little company
1562
01:05:57,421 --> 01:05:59,689
with 35 people couldn't do.
1563
01:05:59,756 --> 01:06:02,626
But again, no onetakes you seriously.
1564
01:06:02,659 --> 01:06:05,462
I think this sounds like
a great holiday gift.
1565
01:06:05,495 --> 01:06:08,665
[laughing]
1566
01:06:08,732 --> 01:06:10,134
Tonight we'll take a
look at the pros and cons
1567
01:06:10,167 --> 01:06:12,169
of female Viagra.
1568
01:06:12,236 --> 01:06:13,803
[audience laughing]
1569
01:06:13,837 --> 01:06:15,139
[Jimmy].
Pro: When ingested
1570
01:06:15,172 --> 01:06:18,108
Flibanserin increasesa woman's sex drive.
1571
01:06:18,142 --> 01:06:19,809
Con: you might knowit by its old name-
1572
01:06:19,843 --> 01:06:21,311
"wine." Yeah.
1573
01:06:21,345 --> 01:06:23,147
[audience laughing]
1574
01:06:23,180 --> 01:06:25,315
[audience cheering]
1575
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:27,217
[Anita].
The media,
1576
01:06:27,284 --> 01:06:30,154
they picked up on the people
saying "this is dangerous."
1577
01:06:30,187 --> 01:06:31,688
This pill is not for everyone.
1578
01:06:31,721 --> 01:06:33,157
Dizziness four times greater,
1579
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:35,525
sleepiness, nausea, fatigue.
1580
01:06:35,559 --> 01:06:37,161
There's an interactionwith alcohol.
1581
01:06:37,194 --> 01:06:39,229
[Anita].
They splashed it all over
1582
01:06:39,296 --> 01:06:42,699
because they like a story,
they like a conflict
1583
01:06:42,732 --> 01:06:45,169
and it was detrimental.
1584
01:06:45,202 --> 01:06:46,870
But your critics
remain this morning.
1585
01:06:46,903 --> 01:06:48,472
The critics have
not gone away.
1586
01:06:48,505 --> 01:06:50,340
Charlie Rose asked
me like, "Hey Cindy,
1587
01:06:50,374 --> 01:06:52,209
"could you not have invented
a drug with no side effects?"
1588
01:06:52,276 --> 01:06:54,544
[Charlie].
Is there no way tohave created a drug
1589
01:06:54,578 --> 01:06:56,113
without the side effects?
1590
01:06:57,314 --> 01:06:58,715
Uh, no.
1591
01:07:00,217 --> 01:07:02,018
No drug comes
without side effects.
1592
01:07:02,052 --> 01:07:03,887
I think that's very
important, right?
1593
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,256
Addyi is no different than
countless other drugs.
1594
01:07:06,323 --> 01:07:09,025
It was so obtuse.
1595
01:07:09,059 --> 01:07:11,228
Again, you can't have any risk
1596
01:07:11,261 --> 01:07:13,097
'cause this thing
doesn't really matter.
1597
01:07:13,563 --> 01:07:16,866
The challenge with this
drug is that it is limited
1598
01:07:16,900 --> 01:07:20,870
to a very strict
subpopulation of women
1599
01:07:20,904 --> 01:07:24,674
who have a sudden or
new onset of low desire
1600
01:07:24,708 --> 01:07:26,510
and no other explanations.
1601
01:07:26,543 --> 01:07:29,146
And it's a reproductive
age population too,
1602
01:07:29,179 --> 01:07:31,348
and we should be thinking
about and concerned about
1603
01:07:31,381 --> 01:07:34,017
the reproductive
safety of this drug.
1604
01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:37,354
It just shows up over
and over and over again.
1605
01:07:37,387 --> 01:07:40,257
[reporter].
The Addyi comes with a blackbox warning from the FDA,
1606
01:07:40,324 --> 01:07:41,758
the strongestwarning it can give
1607
01:07:41,791 --> 01:07:44,094
because it's loadedwith side effects.
1608
01:07:44,128 --> 01:07:50,234
A box warning literally is a
box in the medical information.
1609
01:07:50,267 --> 01:07:53,103
They said you couldn'tdrink alcohol at all.
1610
01:07:53,137 --> 01:07:57,607
And their warning for Viagrawas you shouldn't take it,
1611
01:07:57,641 --> 01:08:00,110
not that you couldn't,
but you shouldn't take it.
1612
01:08:00,177 --> 01:08:03,380
So putting something
in a boxed warning
1613
01:08:03,413 --> 01:08:07,417
that is not a legitimate
safety issue is a real problem.
1614
01:08:08,885 --> 01:08:11,421
[Cindy].
Doctors had to takea test to write it.
1615
01:08:11,455 --> 01:08:13,290
Pharmacists had to takea test to dispense it
1616
01:08:13,357 --> 01:08:14,958
and women had to sign
a piece of paper
1617
01:08:15,024 --> 01:08:17,794
promising they wouldn't
drink if they were on it.
1618
01:08:17,827 --> 01:08:21,131
[Barbara].
They put it in aclassification with things
1619
01:08:21,165 --> 01:08:23,099
that are very harmful,
1620
01:08:23,133 --> 01:08:25,602
and Addyi is not harmful.
1621
01:08:25,635 --> 01:08:26,770
I took alcohol,
1622
01:08:26,803 --> 01:08:28,472
I didn't, I
wasn't even told
1623
01:08:28,538 --> 01:08:30,407
that I couldn't
take alcohol.
1624
01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:34,110
And everybody that I know
had a drink before dinner.
1625
01:08:34,144 --> 01:08:36,012
You take this
medication at night,
1626
01:08:36,079 --> 01:08:38,282
you're not supposed to get
behind the wheel of a car
1627
01:08:38,315 --> 01:08:39,883
or take it in the morning.
1628
01:08:40,484 --> 01:08:43,287
[Anita].
The other thing is thatmen can take it from
1629
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,322
basically any age,
1630
01:08:45,355 --> 01:08:49,993
and that includes peopleup to 70, 80, or whatever.
1631
01:08:50,026 --> 01:08:53,363
Women though hadto be between 18
1632
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:56,633
and where they enteredthe perimenopause.
1633
01:08:56,666 --> 01:09:01,171
So there's real problems
there in a discrepancy
1634
01:09:01,238 --> 01:09:03,873
between men and women.
1635
01:09:03,940 --> 01:09:06,776
And there was a very
paternalistic attitude.
1636
01:09:06,810 --> 01:09:09,979
[reporter].
Addyi is not approved foruse in postmenopausal women.
1637
01:09:10,013 --> 01:09:11,781
The FDA says more
studies are needed
1638
01:09:11,815 --> 01:09:14,484
to determine whether it's
safe and effective for them.
1639
01:09:14,518 --> 01:09:18,988
[Barbara].
They just made itimpossible to get the drug.
1640
01:09:19,022 --> 01:09:22,359
And with all the restrictionson the pharmacists,
1641
01:09:22,426 --> 01:09:23,960
they weren't selling it.
1642
01:09:24,661 --> 01:09:27,197
[reporter].
It's been on the marketnow for three or four weeks
1643
01:09:27,231 --> 01:09:31,535
and the demands so far has beenreally, really, really low.
1644
01:09:31,601 --> 01:09:32,669
And frankly, you know,
1645
01:09:32,702 --> 01:09:34,704
Valeant been in the news
for a lot of other reasons
1646
01:09:34,738 --> 01:09:36,573
for some of the troubles
that they've had.
1647
01:09:38,208 --> 01:09:43,012
[Barbara].
For Valeant to jack theprice up the way they did
1648
01:09:43,046 --> 01:09:45,249
is I think criminal for women.
1649
01:09:46,383 --> 01:09:48,518
[reporter].
Valeant's a verycontroversial company.
1650
01:09:48,552 --> 01:09:50,587
A lot of stuff came outabout its business model,
1651
01:09:50,654 --> 01:09:53,490
particularly the business modelof buying other drug companies
1652
01:09:53,523 --> 01:09:56,360
then jacking up theprices of those drugs.
1653
01:09:56,393 --> 01:09:58,662
Well then it wascost prohibitive,
1654
01:09:58,695 --> 01:10:00,497
so they stopped taking it.
1655
01:10:02,165 --> 01:10:03,733
And that was the end of it.
1656
01:10:07,103 --> 01:10:08,338
[Cindy].
And then, of course,
1657
01:10:08,372 --> 01:10:10,407
the next thing that happenedis they shelved it.
1658
01:10:18,448 --> 01:10:20,917
The intention wasI was gonna stay.
1659
01:10:20,984 --> 01:10:22,252
You know, that waspart of the deal.
1660
01:10:22,286 --> 01:10:25,589
I would stay and build theirentire women's health franchise,
1661
01:10:25,655 --> 01:10:28,558
and within three monthsof that deal closing,
1662
01:10:28,592 --> 01:10:31,595
I got a phone call thatinvited me to leave.
1663
01:10:31,661 --> 01:10:32,962
And not long after that,
1664
01:10:33,029 --> 01:10:34,831
they got rid ofthe entire team.
1665
01:10:37,133 --> 01:10:39,969
I've never been more depressed
in my life than that period.
1666
01:10:41,505 --> 01:10:45,642
To have won one and thenthem to not launch it,
1667
01:10:45,709 --> 01:10:48,612
and the women who hadshown up at those meetings
1668
01:10:48,645 --> 01:10:50,447
to not be able to get it.
1669
01:10:51,415 --> 01:10:56,085
That felt the
worst of anything.
1670
01:10:56,119 --> 01:10:58,955
It was, it was,
that was brutal for me.
1671
01:10:58,988 --> 01:11:02,392
[Vicky].
Women that are strugglingwith HSDD should have the option
1672
01:11:02,426 --> 01:11:04,093
to choose a safe andapproved treatment
1673
01:11:04,127 --> 01:11:06,296
with guidance from theirhealthcare provider.
1674
01:11:06,330 --> 01:11:07,731
Thank you.
1675
01:11:08,131 --> 01:11:11,501
[Barbara].
How can you possiblypass something
1676
01:11:11,568 --> 01:11:13,937
that is sowonderful for women
1677
01:11:13,970 --> 01:11:16,139
and then have it ripped out?
1678
01:11:16,172 --> 01:11:18,274
After all of this work,
1679
01:11:18,308 --> 01:11:23,112
and after all of this emotion,
1680
01:11:23,146 --> 01:11:26,950
we're down to square one
again and we still are.
1681
01:11:26,983 --> 01:11:28,352
[helicopter whirring]
1682
01:11:28,418 --> 01:11:29,686
[people cheering]
1683
01:11:29,753 --> 01:11:32,021
[reporter].
We just got new metrics in,
1684
01:11:32,088 --> 01:11:33,790
Donald J. Trump
1685
01:11:33,823 --> 01:11:38,328
is the President of theUnited States Elect.
1686
01:11:38,362 --> 01:11:42,332
[Stacey].
The past five to ten yearsreally calls into question
1687
01:11:42,366 --> 01:11:45,201
where the state of
women's health is going.
1688
01:11:49,205 --> 01:11:51,708
[reporter].
The last year has beenincredibly difficult for women.
1689
01:11:51,775 --> 01:11:54,478
We have seen majorattacks on Obamacare,
1690
01:11:54,511 --> 01:11:55,979
protections for birth control.
1691
01:11:56,012 --> 01:11:57,647
And we know thaton the state level
1692
01:11:57,681 --> 01:11:58,748
there are a number of courts
1693
01:11:58,782 --> 01:12:01,385
that are working to rollback our right to choose.
1694
01:12:01,451 --> 01:12:03,720
[voices chanting]
1695
01:12:03,787 --> 01:12:06,656
[female reporter].
Tonight we rememberan American icon,
1696
01:12:06,690 --> 01:12:08,692
Supreme Court JusticeRuth Bader Ginsburg
1697
01:12:08,758 --> 01:12:10,394
died today.
1698
01:12:10,460 --> 01:12:12,696
[male reporter].
Ginsburg was seen as achampion of women's rights.
1699
01:12:12,762 --> 01:12:14,564
Her passing now givesPresident Donald Trump
1700
01:12:14,631 --> 01:12:17,501
the chance to shore up theconservative majority
1701
01:12:17,534 --> 01:12:19,135
when choosing a replacement.
1702
01:12:19,736 --> 01:12:21,871
[male reporter 2].
Confirmation brings amajor shift to the court
1703
01:12:21,905 --> 01:12:24,408
and it will have animpact for years to come.
1704
01:12:25,074 --> 01:12:27,176
[indistinct chanting]
1705
01:12:27,210 --> 01:12:30,647
[Stacey].
One of the tipping points in theconversation that we're having
1706
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:35,752
requires us to look back to whathappened just a few years ago
1707
01:12:35,819 --> 01:12:38,522
with the overturning
of Roe v. Wade.
1708
01:12:38,555 --> 01:12:41,691
I don't accept this ruling!
We're not going to go back!
1709
01:12:41,725 --> 01:12:43,560
What changed since 1973?
1710
01:12:43,593 --> 01:12:45,261
What changed?
1711
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:48,197
[Sue].
To be at a time in my life
1712
01:12:48,231 --> 01:12:49,899
that the rightsthat my generation
1713
01:12:49,933 --> 01:12:52,068
fought so hard to have
1714
01:12:52,101 --> 01:12:54,638
see them taken away.
1715
01:12:54,671 --> 01:12:59,242
What right does anybody have
to say what I do with my body?
1716
01:12:59,308 --> 01:13:02,512
Why does any right
and men have a right to,
1717
01:13:02,546 --> 01:13:04,414
to, to control any of that,
1718
01:13:04,448 --> 01:13:06,883
whether it's sexual health,
reproductive rights, uh,
1719
01:13:06,916 --> 01:13:09,453
who, who you're married to,
1720
01:13:09,519 --> 01:13:11,387
none of that is
anybody's business
1721
01:13:11,421 --> 01:13:12,889
if you're not harming
anybody else,
1722
01:13:12,922 --> 01:13:14,591
and I will stand up and
support and hope to God,
1723
01:13:14,658 --> 01:13:17,594
like I have two
granddaughters, teenagers.
1724
01:13:17,627 --> 01:13:19,262
I hope that they live
in a world better
1725
01:13:19,328 --> 01:13:21,197
than the world we're
looking at today.
1726
01:13:22,165 --> 01:13:24,734
[female reporter].
Today the story ofJosseli Barnica,
1727
01:13:24,768 --> 01:13:27,571
a young mother pregnantwith her second child
1728
01:13:27,604 --> 01:13:30,607
who died of sepsisjust one week
1729
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,610
after Texas's abortionban went into effect.
1730
01:13:33,643 --> 01:13:37,714
Despite being diagnosed witha miscarriage in progress,
1731
01:13:37,747 --> 01:13:39,583
doctors said theycould not treat her,
1732
01:13:39,616 --> 01:13:41,485
meaning provide an abortion,
1733
01:13:41,551 --> 01:13:44,488
until her fetus nolonger had a heartbeat.
1734
01:13:44,554 --> 01:13:46,289
[Irwin].
People are literally dying
1735
01:13:46,322 --> 01:13:49,559
as a result of these
horrible political changes.
1736
01:13:49,593 --> 01:13:51,394
We have to get all of
this reversed back
1737
01:13:51,427 --> 01:13:53,062
to the where it once was,
1738
01:13:53,096 --> 01:13:54,631
where-where people
have rights.
1739
01:13:54,698 --> 01:13:56,132
And-and reproductive
and sexual rights
1740
01:13:56,165 --> 01:13:58,735
are just as important
as cardiac rights,
1741
01:13:58,768 --> 01:14:01,471
as orthopedic rights,
as any other right.
1742
01:14:01,538 --> 01:14:02,939
I'm scared to have a daughter
1743
01:14:02,972 --> 01:14:06,943
because I don't know how the
world is going to treat her,
1744
01:14:06,976 --> 01:14:08,645
'cause you could be the
best parent in the world
1745
01:14:08,712 --> 01:14:10,514
and you could teach that girl
1746
01:14:10,580 --> 01:14:14,283
to be the strongest
possible person,
1747
01:14:14,317 --> 01:14:17,186
but you have no idea when
she goes out into the world
1748
01:14:17,253 --> 01:14:19,656
how the world is gonna
receive and treat her.
1749
01:14:19,723 --> 01:14:23,493
It's also a scary timewith what is happening
1750
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,630
to traditionallymarginalized groups.
1751
01:14:27,497 --> 01:14:30,333
Trans people are the most
marginalized in our society
1752
01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:34,671
and they've been
scapegoated in a way that
1753
01:14:34,704 --> 01:14:38,608
they are sort of being used as
this smoke and mirrors vehicle
1754
01:14:38,642 --> 01:14:41,611
in this all out assault
on personal autonomy.
1755
01:14:41,645 --> 01:14:43,980
And it's scary how quicklythat has escalated.
1756
01:14:44,013 --> 01:14:46,783
You know, back in thetwenty late teens,
1757
01:14:46,816 --> 01:14:49,152
it was this discussionaround bathrooms
1758
01:14:49,185 --> 01:14:52,021
and then very quickly itwas trans people in sports.
1759
01:14:52,055 --> 01:14:54,223
It is a hot topic in
American politics,
1760
01:14:54,290 --> 01:14:55,859
whether or not
transgender people
1761
01:14:55,892 --> 01:14:58,862
can compete in categories
in which they identify.
1762
01:14:58,928 --> 01:15:00,797
[Blair].
And then very quickly it was
1763
01:15:00,830 --> 01:15:02,465
trying to ban carefor trans youth,
1764
01:15:02,498 --> 01:15:04,000
and now there's multiplestates actually trying to
1765
01:15:04,033 --> 01:15:06,536
limit care for trans adults.
1766
01:15:06,570 --> 01:15:09,739
So what happened withRoe is a direct extension
1767
01:15:09,806 --> 01:15:12,709
of what's been happeningwith trans rights.
1768
01:15:12,776 --> 01:15:13,843
At the end of the day,
1769
01:15:13,877 --> 01:15:16,179
if like we collectively
as-as a society
1770
01:15:16,212 --> 01:15:19,182
are not standing up and
protecting trans rights,
1771
01:15:19,215 --> 01:15:21,184
then we're not
protecting our rights.
1772
01:15:21,217 --> 01:15:25,989
Regardless of what's going on
in Washington politically,
1773
01:15:26,022 --> 01:15:27,791
people are still suffering.
1774
01:15:27,824 --> 01:15:29,726
So all the games that
people are playing,
1775
01:15:29,793 --> 01:15:32,696
all the rights that are
being stripped from people
1776
01:15:32,729 --> 01:15:34,898
regardless of who they are,
1777
01:15:34,964 --> 01:15:36,532
at the end of the day,
1778
01:15:36,566 --> 01:15:38,735
my patient in my room
is still suffering
1779
01:15:38,802 --> 01:15:41,537
because I will be honest right
now as a gynecologist,
1780
01:15:41,571 --> 01:15:43,039
it's a little bleak.
1781
01:15:43,072 --> 01:15:44,373
Patients are feeling it too
1782
01:15:44,407 --> 01:15:46,776
when they come into
the exam room as well.
1783
01:15:46,843 --> 01:15:48,745
If our reproductive rights,
1784
01:15:48,778 --> 01:15:51,547
our rights to bodily
autonomy are threatened,
1785
01:15:51,581 --> 01:15:54,383
we almost can't even get to
the conversation of pleasure
1786
01:15:54,417 --> 01:15:57,721
because we're fighting
for basic human rights,
1787
01:15:57,754 --> 01:15:59,989
those fundamental
rights to exist
1788
01:16:00,023 --> 01:16:01,758
to have control
over our bodies.
1789
01:16:01,791 --> 01:16:03,593
And that's very scary.
1790
01:16:03,827 --> 01:16:07,363
But I don't wanna lose theconversation around pleasure
1791
01:16:07,396 --> 01:16:09,933
as we focus on rights itself
1792
01:16:09,999 --> 01:16:11,234
because pleasureis a part of that.
1793
01:16:11,267 --> 01:16:15,404
And in fact, if we focus oneverybody's right to pleasure,
1794
01:16:15,438 --> 01:16:17,306
men, women,
folks of all genders,
1795
01:16:17,373 --> 01:16:19,275
if we talk about pleasure,
1796
01:16:19,308 --> 01:16:24,247
then we have more support
to talk about rights.
1797
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,215
And I think that they
go hand in hand.
1798
01:16:26,249 --> 01:16:27,450
[Rachel].
You need peopleyelling and screaming,
1799
01:16:27,516 --> 01:16:28,752
and you need coalitions,
1800
01:16:28,785 --> 01:16:30,319
and you needpeople getting loud.
1801
01:16:30,386 --> 01:16:31,287
You need advocacy,
1802
01:16:31,354 --> 01:16:33,122
you need research,
you need mentorship,
1803
01:16:33,156 --> 01:16:34,824
you need awareness,
you need communicat-
1804
01:16:34,891 --> 01:16:36,125
You need all of those things.
1805
01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:38,928
[Anita].
We need a seat at themedical school tables.
1806
01:16:38,962 --> 01:16:40,229
Who's coming up withthe curriculum?
1807
01:16:40,263 --> 01:16:43,266
How many hours need to bedevoted to this subject?
1808
01:16:43,299 --> 01:16:45,769
We need a seat atthe FDA in terms of
1809
01:16:45,802 --> 01:16:47,837
what medications aregetting FDA approved.
1810
01:16:47,904 --> 01:16:50,473
What roadblocks are theyputting up in place
1811
01:16:50,539 --> 01:16:52,809
trying to protect women
and keep us safe,
1812
01:16:52,842 --> 01:16:55,679
which actually just create
huge barriers to care.
1813
01:16:55,745 --> 01:16:58,815
We need to hold insurancecompanies responsible.
1814
01:16:58,848 --> 01:17:00,616
And our patientsneed to speak up
1815
01:17:00,650 --> 01:17:02,919
and demand fromtheir congressmen,
1816
01:17:02,952 --> 01:17:04,053
from their legislators
1817
01:17:04,087 --> 01:17:06,222
that these are importantissues that they deserve.
1818
01:17:07,556 --> 01:17:09,926
[Sarah].
The most important way
1819
01:17:09,959 --> 01:17:11,494
in which any individual
1820
01:17:11,527 --> 01:17:16,132
could make an impact on thisfight for bodily autonomy
1821
01:17:16,165 --> 01:17:18,835
and the right to
equal amounts of care,
1822
01:17:18,868 --> 01:17:22,672
would be to educate ourselves
and to remain curious.
1823
01:17:22,706 --> 01:17:26,475
And when we hear something that
doesn't quite seem the same
1824
01:17:26,509 --> 01:17:28,611
as what we were
trained to think,
1825
01:17:28,644 --> 01:17:30,814
to push back a little bit
1826
01:17:30,847 --> 01:17:33,950
and realize that the truth
is actually something
1827
01:17:33,983 --> 01:17:36,485
that's been hidden from
us for a very long time.
1828
01:17:36,519 --> 01:17:38,922
[Josephine].
I think the key is to notbe discouraged by the losses.
1829
01:17:39,923 --> 01:17:43,359
There will be losses and youcan't just take that and go,
1830
01:17:43,426 --> 01:17:45,328
well there's no pointin fighting this fight
1831
01:17:45,361 --> 01:17:46,830
'cause we just lost that fight.
1832
01:17:46,863 --> 01:17:48,497
And I think right now
that's what we have to do,
1833
01:17:48,531 --> 01:17:51,701
is we keep having to
push for the right answer.
1834
01:17:53,036 --> 01:18:00,009
[bright music]
1835
01:18:00,043 --> 01:18:07,917
*
1836
01:18:07,984 --> 01:18:10,920
[Cindy].
In the dark days afterthe CEO fired me,
1837
01:18:10,987 --> 01:18:12,856
no one was feelingsorry for me, right?
1838
01:18:12,889 --> 01:18:15,358
I had really theentrepreneur's dream come true.
1839
01:18:15,391 --> 01:18:16,692
I exited the business.
1840
01:18:16,726 --> 01:18:19,228
It was an incredible outcome
for all the shareholders,
1841
01:18:19,262 --> 01:18:23,232
and yet I found myself
really unfulfilled
1842
01:18:23,266 --> 01:18:25,334
because it's not what
I'd set out to do.
1843
01:18:25,368 --> 01:18:27,403
[reporter].
Well the drama isn'tover for the drug maker,
1844
01:18:27,436 --> 01:18:28,704
Valeant Pharmaceuticals,
1845
01:18:28,738 --> 01:18:33,042
the CEO just recently back
from medical leave is now out.
1846
01:18:33,076 --> 01:18:34,543
[Cindy].
So when the new CEO came,
1847
01:18:34,577 --> 01:18:36,913
I asked him if he'd havebreakfast with me in New York
1848
01:18:36,980 --> 01:18:39,348
and I sat down with him
and I said, "Give it back."
1849
01:18:39,382 --> 01:18:41,184
He said, "No thank you.
Go away."
1850
01:18:42,819 --> 01:18:45,388
So I issued a lawsuit.
1851
01:18:45,421 --> 01:18:47,891
They'd made commitments tome on what they would do.
1852
01:18:47,924 --> 01:18:50,960
You know, how much they would
put toward the marketing,
1853
01:18:51,027 --> 01:18:52,929
the education of
physicians on it.
1854
01:18:52,996 --> 01:18:55,899
And they were in breach
of all those obligations.
1855
01:18:55,932 --> 01:18:58,902
And ultimately in exchange
for dropping the lawsuit,
1856
01:18:58,935 --> 01:19:00,469
they gave the product back.
1857
01:19:00,503 --> 01:19:04,407
Just give us the history
of this female Viagra drug
1858
01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:05,474
because it was bought,
wasn't it,
1859
01:19:05,508 --> 01:19:07,777
by Valeant and
went nowhere fast.
1860
01:19:07,811 --> 01:19:09,278
And now she's bought it back.
1861
01:19:09,312 --> 01:19:12,782
[Cynthia].
Yeah, Cindy successfullysettled with Valeant a lawsuit
1862
01:19:12,816 --> 01:19:15,318
that allowed them to get thedrug back at no cost to them.
1863
01:19:15,351 --> 01:19:17,286
And they're taking this
back to the market
1864
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:18,822
for the second time.
1865
01:19:18,855 --> 01:19:21,858
And so it's basically the,
the drug's second shot.
1866
01:19:25,594 --> 01:19:26,762
[Cindy].
The minute we got it back,
1867
01:19:26,796 --> 01:19:27,997
we went to back to work
1868
01:19:28,064 --> 01:19:30,499
and we invested all ofthese dollars back into
1869
01:19:30,566 --> 01:19:32,335
all the scenarios that wecould show back up to the FDA
1870
01:19:32,368 --> 01:19:35,638
and actually got that blackbox warning contraindication
1871
01:19:35,671 --> 01:19:36,806
removed.
1872
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,108
It has an entirelydifferent label today.
1873
01:19:39,142 --> 01:19:42,178
No doctor has to take a
test to prescribe it.
1874
01:19:42,211 --> 01:19:46,349
Eli does what he calls pharmaor farm P-H-A-R-M to table.
1875
01:19:46,382 --> 01:19:47,483
That's right.
1876
01:19:47,516 --> 01:19:49,986
So he's making sure all
these pills are coming off
1877
01:19:50,019 --> 01:19:52,655
the manufacturing line.
1878
01:19:52,688 --> 01:19:54,323
Kristen, our chief of staff,
1879
01:19:54,357 --> 01:19:57,493
Margaret in finance here.
1880
01:19:57,526 --> 01:20:01,831
Chrissy Newbauer, who runs
customer service for us.
1881
01:20:01,865 --> 01:20:05,034
Michelle, who's working in
customer service as well.
1882
01:20:05,068 --> 01:20:06,002
When we got approved,
1883
01:20:06,035 --> 01:20:09,005
we were confined to only
premenopausal women.
1884
01:20:09,038 --> 01:20:14,143
So we've submitted for our
postmenopausal expansion of use.
1885
01:20:14,543 --> 01:20:15,478
[Josephine].
I don't even like to say
1886
01:20:15,511 --> 01:20:17,881
that we've submittedfor postmenopausal.
1887
01:20:17,914 --> 01:20:21,851
We've submitted for approval
in women with HSDD.
1888
01:20:21,885 --> 01:20:24,687
It, it's not for approval of
postmenopausal women, right?
1889
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:25,889
It's women with HSDD
1890
01:20:25,955 --> 01:20:27,823
'cause that's who it should
always have been approved for.
1891
01:20:27,857 --> 01:20:29,058
And so,
1892
01:20:29,092 --> 01:20:32,361
after we disprove the
alcohol contraindication,
1893
01:20:32,395 --> 01:20:35,031
if you GoogleAddyi and alcohol,
1894
01:20:35,064 --> 01:20:39,202
what comes up is Addyi iscontraindicated with alcohol.
1895
01:20:39,235 --> 01:20:41,570
That's still out there,
that narrative.
1896
01:20:41,637 --> 01:20:44,373
Like even though
we proved it,
1897
01:20:44,407 --> 01:20:47,210
that narrative, six years,
is still out there,
1898
01:20:47,243 --> 01:20:48,844
and it's still
out there in part
1899
01:20:48,878 --> 01:20:50,880
because FDA keeps
it out there.
1900
01:20:50,914 --> 01:20:53,249
So the first order of
business was science,
1901
01:20:53,282 --> 01:20:55,418
and then I think the
second order of business
1902
01:20:55,451 --> 01:20:59,522
has been demystifying
all of the garbage
1903
01:20:59,555 --> 01:21:01,524
that's been out
there about this.
1904
01:21:01,557 --> 01:21:02,525
Women are like,
1905
01:21:02,558 --> 01:21:04,393
what do you mean there's
a pink pill for me?
1906
01:21:04,427 --> 01:21:05,561
I've never heard of it.
1907
01:21:05,594 --> 01:21:08,431
And that is now
the real problem.
1908
01:21:08,464 --> 01:21:09,398
You guys know
1909
01:21:09,432 --> 01:21:11,600
that I've been fighting
for years on this issue,
1910
01:21:11,634 --> 01:21:15,404
that I fought to get the first
FDA approved treatment option
1911
01:21:15,438 --> 01:21:16,739
for women's libido.
1912
01:21:16,772 --> 01:21:18,975
All the while hearing
the same excuse,
1913
01:21:19,042 --> 01:21:21,744
"Mmm, women's libido
is complicated."
1914
01:21:21,777 --> 01:21:24,613
Is it complicated or is
it just not prioritized?
1915
01:21:24,647 --> 01:21:26,415
I had nothing on social media,
1916
01:21:26,449 --> 01:21:27,450
but you know what?
1917
01:21:27,483 --> 01:21:29,252
Somebody had to speak up
1918
01:21:29,285 --> 01:21:32,555
and once I spoke up,it just never stopped.
1919
01:21:32,588 --> 01:21:34,790
When doctors
dismiss our pain,
1920
01:21:34,857 --> 01:21:35,925
downplay our symptoms,
1921
01:21:35,959 --> 01:21:38,161
or essentially tell us
it's all in your head,
1922
01:21:38,227 --> 01:21:40,229
we learn to be our
own advocates.
1923
01:21:40,263 --> 01:21:42,765
That's not empowerment,
that's survival.
1924
01:21:42,798 --> 01:21:43,799
Cindy, welcome to the show.
1925
01:21:43,832 --> 01:21:44,968
Thanks for having me.
1926
01:21:45,001 --> 01:21:46,469
The truth is, I knew that
you were gonna be wearing
1927
01:21:46,502 --> 01:21:47,470
pink today.
1928
01:21:47,503 --> 01:21:48,737
I know, it's shocking.
1929
01:21:48,771 --> 01:21:51,474
I think Addyi has parallels toall of these other conversations
1930
01:21:51,507 --> 01:21:53,109
we're having right now
1931
01:21:53,142 --> 01:21:55,611
that I'd like to thinkwe've had a hand in
1932
01:21:55,644 --> 01:21:58,414
because when you fight back,you can win.
1933
01:21:58,447 --> 01:22:02,285
[upbeat music]
1934
01:22:02,318 --> 01:22:03,419
Dr. Blair Peters here,
1935
01:22:03,452 --> 01:22:04,620
full-time gender
affirming surgeon.
1936
01:22:04,653 --> 01:22:05,754
Hi everybody, uh,
1937
01:22:05,788 --> 01:22:07,957
Rachel Rubin, urologist
and sexual medicine specialist.
1938
01:22:07,991 --> 01:22:09,658
We're live on
Instagram right now.
1939
01:22:09,725 --> 01:22:11,827
* I don't want towant when I wanna
1940
01:22:11,894 --> 01:22:14,330
* Anything I want cuzI like it like that *
1941
01:22:14,397 --> 01:22:15,464
[Maria].
So this person asked,
1942
01:22:15,498 --> 01:22:18,667
I pee after sex and yet
I'm still getting UTIs.
1943
01:22:18,701 --> 01:22:19,902
What am I doing wrong?
1944
01:22:19,935 --> 01:22:21,971
Just wanted to give you guys
a walkthrough to this device.
1945
01:22:22,005 --> 01:22:24,173
Um, it is for
erectile dysfunction.
1946
01:22:24,207 --> 01:22:26,509
Here are things I would do
to have a better sex life.
1947
01:22:26,542 --> 01:22:27,710
[Cindy].
It is so fun
1948
01:22:27,776 --> 01:22:32,348
to watch these badassyounger physicians.
1949
01:22:32,415 --> 01:22:34,350
Hi everybody,
it's your education share,
1950
01:22:34,417 --> 01:22:35,851
Sarah Cigna.
1951
01:22:35,884 --> 01:22:38,487
[Cindy].
Whether they're onInstagram breaking barriers
1952
01:22:38,521 --> 01:22:42,825
or they're in the roomchallenging conventional wisdom,
1953
01:22:42,858 --> 01:22:43,892
I love it.
1954
01:22:43,959 --> 01:22:45,761
* I'm a rebel *
1955
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:48,831
* I'm a rebel
1956
01:22:48,864 --> 01:22:50,399
I am not a magician,
1957
01:22:50,466 --> 01:22:53,702
but my batting average
is really fricking good.
1958
01:22:53,736 --> 01:22:56,505
And in our practice
we take a lot of time
1959
01:22:56,539 --> 01:22:57,673
to get to know you,
1960
01:22:57,706 --> 01:22:59,542
to figure out what's
bothering you,
1961
01:22:59,575 --> 01:23:02,378
and to figure out how do we
optimize your quality of life.
1962
01:23:02,445 --> 01:23:04,547
Stacey, David,
it's great to see ya!
1963
01:23:04,580 --> 01:23:05,514
Good to see you.
1964
01:23:05,548 --> 01:23:07,783
One of the things weoften ask people is,
1965
01:23:07,816 --> 01:23:10,219
what does sex look like
for you right now?
1966
01:23:10,253 --> 01:23:12,721
And compare that to what
you want it to look like.
1967
01:23:12,755 --> 01:23:13,856
Why is that important?
1968
01:23:13,889 --> 01:23:17,026
Because I can't assume what
kind of sex you're having
1969
01:23:17,060 --> 01:23:19,028
or even what you want
it to look like,
1970
01:23:19,062 --> 01:23:22,031
and the more I understand
you and what your goals are,
1971
01:23:22,065 --> 01:23:23,266
then we see magic.
1972
01:23:23,332 --> 01:23:25,534
When you really take
the time with people,
1973
01:23:25,568 --> 01:23:27,203
that's when the magic happens.
1974
01:23:27,236 --> 01:23:29,004
That's why I think
it is so important
1975
01:23:29,038 --> 01:23:31,407
during an annual exam
to encourage women
1976
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:33,109
to hold a hand mirror
1977
01:23:33,176 --> 01:23:35,278
while I go through their
external vulvar exam.
1978
01:23:35,344 --> 01:23:36,912
I feel like most of the
time when I do that
1979
01:23:36,945 --> 01:23:39,582
women are so
shocked and happy
1980
01:23:39,615 --> 01:23:41,084
that somebody took
the time to show them
1981
01:23:41,150 --> 01:23:43,419
really who they
are down there.
1982
01:23:43,486 --> 01:23:47,356
And that's just one step in
the process of empowering women
1983
01:23:47,390 --> 01:23:50,526
to take more ownership over
their own sexual function.
1984
01:23:50,559 --> 01:23:52,928
[Sarah].
Patients and weas clinicians,
1985
01:23:52,961 --> 01:23:54,697
need some sense of community,
1986
01:23:54,730 --> 01:23:57,266
especially in the current
political climate.
1987
01:23:57,333 --> 01:23:59,735
Without people who
are banding together,
1988
01:23:59,768 --> 01:24:00,936
creating community,
1989
01:24:01,003 --> 01:24:02,905
creating safe spaces,
1990
01:24:02,938 --> 01:24:05,908
and pushing the needle forward,
1991
01:24:05,941 --> 01:24:08,277
we're never gonna get anywhere.
1992
01:24:08,344 --> 01:24:11,114
[Sue].
We should be able tostand up for our rights
1993
01:24:11,147 --> 01:24:12,348
and say, "I want more."
1994
01:24:12,381 --> 01:24:14,250
I want something better
out of this relationship.
1995
01:24:14,283 --> 01:24:15,751
I want something
better outta sex.
1996
01:24:15,784 --> 01:24:17,953
I want something
better out of my job.
1997
01:24:17,986 --> 01:24:19,322
[stammers] I want something
better from, you know,
1998
01:24:19,388 --> 01:24:21,290
from the, from my family,
1999
01:24:21,357 --> 01:24:24,593
but you, but if you
don't tell somebody,
2000
01:24:24,627 --> 01:24:27,230
then how can you expect
somebody else to help you?
2001
01:24:27,263 --> 01:24:30,433
[Maria].
The underlying theme ofwhether it's sexual health
2002
01:24:30,466 --> 01:24:32,735
to reproductivehealth is choice.
2003
01:24:32,768 --> 01:24:34,303
So whether it'shaving an orgasm
2004
01:24:34,337 --> 01:24:35,638
or having an abortion,
2005
01:24:35,671 --> 01:24:37,640
women should have the
ability to choose
2006
01:24:37,673 --> 01:24:40,443
what is the best
thing for them.
2007
01:24:40,476 --> 01:24:41,944
[Blair].
A lot of theculture in medicine
2008
01:24:41,977 --> 01:24:43,812
is still very antispeaking out
2009
01:24:43,879 --> 01:24:47,616
and it's because we don't
speak up for things
2010
01:24:47,650 --> 01:24:50,153
that the narrative has
become very warped
2011
01:24:50,186 --> 01:24:53,156
and very much straight
away from science.
2012
01:24:53,222 --> 01:24:55,458
So I think there's a huge
need more than ever
2013
01:24:55,491 --> 01:24:58,161
for a lot of us to
really be out there.
2014
01:24:58,227 --> 01:25:02,965
[Joshua].
I'm hopeful because I'm seeingmore women come into this field.
2015
01:25:02,998 --> 01:25:05,334
I'm seeing more queer
people enter this space
2016
01:25:05,401 --> 01:25:06,602
and saying like,
2017
01:25:06,635 --> 01:25:09,004
we need to really rethink
how we talk to people about sex
2018
01:25:09,071 --> 01:25:12,308
so that we include
all types of people.
2019
01:25:12,341 --> 01:25:16,011
I think that the more
pleasure and orgasms
2020
01:25:16,078 --> 01:25:18,481
and fun people can
have that is safe,
2021
01:25:18,514 --> 01:25:19,782
that is consensual,
2022
01:25:19,815 --> 01:25:22,185
I think when we focus
on pleasure and joy,
2023
01:25:22,251 --> 01:25:27,055
then the hatred and the
trolling and the nastiness
2024
01:25:27,122 --> 01:25:28,624
and the focus on
all the negative,
2025
01:25:28,657 --> 01:25:30,826
I think it kind of
starts to go away.
2026
01:25:30,859 --> 01:25:33,362
So I think by focusing on joy,
2027
01:25:33,396 --> 01:25:35,364
I think we can make
a lot of progress.
2028
01:25:35,398 --> 01:25:40,203
The magic that happens after
someone reclaims their sexuality
2029
01:25:40,269 --> 01:25:41,870
just knows who they are,
2030
01:25:41,937 --> 01:25:44,207
takes full ownership
of their existence,
2031
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:45,174
their bodies,
2032
01:25:45,208 --> 01:25:47,876
their birthright of pleasure.
2033
01:25:47,943 --> 01:25:50,879
You get to literally
witness this person
2034
01:25:50,913 --> 01:25:52,415
step into their power.
2035
01:25:52,481 --> 01:25:54,517
I have seen so many
of my patients
2036
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:55,851
go on to sign a book deal,
2037
01:25:55,884 --> 01:25:58,354
go on to like run for office,
2038
01:25:58,387 --> 01:26:01,190
to go on to do so many things
2039
01:26:01,224 --> 01:26:03,091
because they had the audacity
2040
01:26:03,158 --> 01:26:06,061
and the audaciousness to
chase their pleasure,
2041
01:26:06,094 --> 01:26:08,931
which then opened up doors to
chase all their other dreams,
2042
01:26:08,997 --> 01:26:11,200
and it is so fun.
2043
01:26:11,234 --> 01:26:13,536
Story alert.
I have a story alert.
2044
01:26:13,569 --> 01:26:15,371
I saw a patient very recently,
2045
01:26:15,404 --> 01:26:16,339
she's in her sixties,
2046
01:26:16,372 --> 01:26:18,607
twenty-five years ago
in her late thirties
2047
01:26:18,674 --> 01:26:22,445
she lost her ability to have
her three magical orgasms.
2048
01:26:22,511 --> 01:26:25,448
She used to orgasm three
powerful magical times.
2049
01:26:25,514 --> 01:26:29,252
Well, I just saw her and
she said, "Dr. Rubin,
2050
01:26:29,285 --> 01:26:31,354
"they're back!"
2051
01:26:31,454 --> 01:26:34,056
* Love heavy but Igotta let you go
2052
01:26:34,089 --> 01:26:36,592
* Mind steady and I gota way to let it go
2053
01:26:36,625 --> 01:26:39,262
* Love came here butit never left so
2054
01:26:39,295 --> 01:26:41,630
* The way we look besupervised by a pen stroke
2055
01:26:41,697 --> 01:26:44,099
* In the high notecrying in my throat
2056
01:26:44,132 --> 01:26:46,602
* Love heavy and I thinkits time to let it go *
2057
01:26:46,669 --> 01:26:49,405
* Way of love but it weighs toomuch and you weigh too much
2058
01:26:49,438 --> 01:26:52,408
* Staying out of touchlooking suss, huh *
2059
01:26:52,775 --> 01:26:54,377
* Put our love on a layaway
2060
01:26:54,410 --> 01:26:56,612
* Paying for it every timeI have a piece for you
2061
01:26:56,679 --> 01:26:57,713
* Peach that's sweet
2062
01:26:57,746 --> 01:26:59,448
* Bon appetit, bon appetit
2063
01:26:59,515 --> 01:27:02,351
* Just miss me... *
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