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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 For best IPTV provider, please visit: WWW.IPTV.CAT For best IPTV provider, please visit: WWW.IPTV.CAT.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 For best IPTV provider, please visit: WWW.IPTV.CAT For best IPTV provider, please visit: WWW.IPTV.CAT.BZ 3 00:00:23,667 --> 00:00:25,292 Could it be something like... 4 00:00:26,626 --> 00:00:30,083 Like... ♪ Had to get high to write my songs ♪ 5 00:00:31,834 --> 00:00:33,666 ♪ 'Cause if it wasn't real life ♪ 6 00:00:33,667 --> 00:00:35,708 ♪ It just felt wrong ♪ 7 00:00:35,709 --> 00:00:38,374 - Or something. - Alright, well... 8 00:00:38,375 --> 00:00:39,958 ♪ ...just sounded wrong ♪ 9 00:00:39,959 --> 00:00:41,291 ♪ I... ♪ 10 00:00:41,292 --> 00:00:43,876 Don't wanna ruin what we had 'cause it was good. 11 00:00:44,250 --> 00:00:46,167 Do we tell the story that... 12 00:00:46,542 --> 00:00:48,583 that the chorus is summing up... 13 00:00:48,584 --> 00:00:51,501 - Right. - ...in a more storytelling way? 14 00:00:51,918 --> 00:00:53,333 Like, start-- starting with... 15 00:00:53,334 --> 00:00:54,959 You can start with "In '81," like... 16 00:00:56,209 --> 00:00:58,833 What were you doing in 1981? 17 00:00:58,834 --> 00:01:01,416 Well, don't know. I was ODing in '84. 18 00:01:01,417 --> 00:01:02,875 Okay. 19 00:01:02,876 --> 00:01:05,416 So, I nearly died in '84, actually. 20 00:01:05,417 --> 00:01:06,875 I went back to England. 21 00:01:06,876 --> 00:01:08,249 'Cause you'd moved already? 22 00:01:08,250 --> 00:01:10,999 I'd come to America in March of '81 and... 23 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,541 - Mm-hmm. - ...this was me returning 24 00:01:12,542 --> 00:01:13,708 in triumph with... 25 00:01:13,709 --> 00:01:14,917 Mm-hmm. Gotcha. 26 00:01:14,918 --> 00:01:16,374 ..."Eyes Without a Face" on Top of the Pops, 27 00:01:16,375 --> 00:01:18,082 and then you're nearly killing yourself. 28 00:01:18,083 --> 00:01:20,208 Wait, so was it in the news and stuff that-- 29 00:01:20,209 --> 00:01:22,417 - No, no. Nobody knew. - Oh, wow. 30 00:01:23,375 --> 00:01:24,750 That's insane. 31 00:01:25,834 --> 00:01:27,249 So that's what was happening in... 32 00:01:27,250 --> 00:01:29,250 - in the '80s kind of thing. - That's wild. 33 00:01:31,626 --> 00:01:33,791 You're like... ♪ In '84 ♪ 34 00:01:33,792 --> 00:01:36,208 ♪ I OD'd on the kitchen floor ♪ 35 00:01:36,209 --> 00:01:38,917 ♪ And I woke up and I did some more ♪ 36 00:01:38,918 --> 00:01:41,625 ♪ I heard death knocking at my door ♪ 37 00:01:41,626 --> 00:01:43,583 ♪ At the door... at the... ♪ 38 00:01:43,584 --> 00:01:45,291 Too much too soon. 39 00:02:16,042 --> 00:02:20,417 I moved to New York myself in October of '80. 40 00:02:20,834 --> 00:02:23,042 I started working for Chrysalis Records. 41 00:02:24,667 --> 00:02:26,833 And so I remember going to pick Billy up 42 00:02:26,834 --> 00:02:28,458 at the airport at JFK 43 00:02:28,459 --> 00:02:30,709 when he arrived into New York. 44 00:02:31,125 --> 00:02:32,625 And pretty much, at that point, 45 00:02:32,626 --> 00:02:35,417 he was my responsibility within the label. 46 00:02:37,459 --> 00:02:39,333 And he was a pretty quiet guy. 47 00:02:39,334 --> 00:02:40,625 He was pretty studious. 48 00:02:40,626 --> 00:02:42,166 He could sit in a corner and read a book 49 00:02:42,167 --> 00:02:43,750 and you wouldn't notice him. 50 00:02:43,751 --> 00:02:47,876 I thought, "I don't know how much fun this is gonna be." 51 00:02:50,459 --> 00:02:53,791 But once he kind of got into that mode of Billy Idol, 52 00:02:53,792 --> 00:02:56,166 he became a completely different persona. 53 00:03:00,501 --> 00:03:02,500 All right. Very good. Now, let me run 54 00:03:02,501 --> 00:03:04,541 a-a little, uh, survey here. 55 00:03:04,542 --> 00:03:06,041 If you see an act, 56 00:03:06,042 --> 00:03:08,708 and very often you'll read in the newspaper a critique. 57 00:03:08,709 --> 00:03:11,500 Obviously, you're excited about the fact that this guy is here. 58 00:03:11,501 --> 00:03:13,708 Just tell me, if you were a newspaper critic 59 00:03:13,709 --> 00:03:15,041 or a music critic, 60 00:03:15,042 --> 00:03:17,166 what there is about the guy's music you like. 61 00:03:17,167 --> 00:03:18,625 It's fast and it's great to dance to. 62 00:03:18,626 --> 00:03:20,374 All right, that would be a quote they would take 63 00:03:20,375 --> 00:03:23,124 and they would put in the ad. Give me a one-liner. 64 00:03:23,125 --> 00:03:24,082 Gorgeous. 65 00:03:27,834 --> 00:03:30,501 Get ready. It's Billy Idol. 66 00:03:30,918 --> 00:03:32,416 What am I here for? 67 00:03:32,417 --> 00:03:34,500 - You've got two awards to-- - I'm here for rock and roll. 68 00:03:34,501 --> 00:03:35,583 - Hey! - That's what I'm here for. 69 00:03:39,250 --> 00:03:42,374 A maker of great videos, a maker of great records, 70 00:03:42,375 --> 00:03:44,583 and a breaker of little girls' hearts 71 00:03:44,584 --> 00:03:46,208 all over the world, 72 00:03:46,209 --> 00:03:48,917 Billy "Bleeping" Idol! 73 00:03:52,042 --> 00:03:55,541 ♪ Hey, little sister, what have you done? ♪ 74 00:03:55,542 --> 00:03:57,374 The first time I ever saw Billy Idol 75 00:03:57,375 --> 00:03:58,708 was when he was on MTV 76 00:03:58,709 --> 00:04:00,959 and he was already a huge rock star. 77 00:04:01,542 --> 00:04:05,833 ♪ It's a nice day to start again ♪ 78 00:04:05,834 --> 00:04:08,082 I want my MTV. 79 00:04:08,083 --> 00:04:11,541 ♪ It's a nice day for a white wedding... ♪ 80 00:04:11,542 --> 00:04:12,666 Yeah! 81 00:04:12,667 --> 00:04:14,333 He's wearing leather 82 00:04:14,334 --> 00:04:15,958 and pumping his fist in the air, 83 00:04:15,959 --> 00:04:17,167 and he's got this snarl. 84 00:04:18,042 --> 00:04:19,791 Just very striking. 85 00:04:22,209 --> 00:04:25,124 ♪ On the floors of Tokyo, or down in... ♪ 86 00:04:25,125 --> 00:04:28,583 That is one of the hottest videos on MTV. 87 00:04:28,584 --> 00:04:31,708 ♪ ...and a mirror's reflection I'm dancing with myself ♪ 88 00:04:33,250 --> 00:04:35,249 ♪ When there's no one else in sight... ♪ 89 00:04:35,250 --> 00:04:37,541 With this haircut, man, you get seen everywhere. 90 00:04:39,375 --> 00:04:41,291 Everybody going, "Hey, you're Billy Idol! 91 00:04:41,292 --> 00:04:42,583 'White Wedding,' MTV." 92 00:04:46,292 --> 00:04:47,999 He's one of the hottest names 93 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,625 in rock and roll, performing before sellout crowds 94 00:04:50,626 --> 00:04:51,625 all over the country. 95 00:04:51,626 --> 00:04:53,124 He's been called 96 00:04:53,125 --> 00:04:54,333 the Frankenstein of Rock and Roll, 97 00:04:54,334 --> 00:04:55,917 The Pretty Boy of Punk. 98 00:04:55,918 --> 00:04:57,833 ♪ In the midnight hour ♪ 99 00:04:57,834 --> 00:05:00,124 ♪ She cried, "More, more, more" ♪ 100 00:05:00,125 --> 00:05:02,875 Look, man, I got more young chicks after me 101 00:05:02,876 --> 00:05:04,625 than half of those other geezers, so... 102 00:05:04,626 --> 00:05:07,458 ha, I just wanna get screwed to death, you know? 103 00:05:07,459 --> 00:05:12,625 ♪ In the midnight hour, babe, she cried "More, more, more" ♪ 104 00:05:12,626 --> 00:05:13,958 Whoa! 105 00:05:13,959 --> 00:05:16,458 I, like, watch Billy Idol footage like it's porn. 106 00:05:16,459 --> 00:05:18,082 Talking about Elvis Presley, 107 00:05:18,083 --> 00:05:19,958 do you ever consider that you've modeled yourself on him 108 00:05:19,959 --> 00:05:21,249 - in any way? - No way, man. 109 00:05:21,250 --> 00:05:23,249 I don't take as many drugs as he did. 110 00:05:24,459 --> 00:05:26,833 There's no one hotter 111 00:05:26,834 --> 00:05:29,626 or that radiates more sexuality 112 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,291 than Billy fucking Idol. 113 00:05:33,459 --> 00:05:36,041 He had women, he had drugs, 114 00:05:36,042 --> 00:05:39,041 and I was like, "Yeah, dude, I'm in." 115 00:05:39,042 --> 00:05:41,166 Too much is never enough. 116 00:05:41,167 --> 00:05:45,500 You know, like, this is like a fucking rock god. 117 00:05:47,501 --> 00:05:51,792 ♪ I'd give you all and have none, babe ♪ 118 00:05:52,334 --> 00:05:55,208 ♪ Just to, just to, just to, just to ♪ 119 00:05:55,209 --> 00:05:58,833 ♪ To have you here by me, because ♪ 120 00:05:58,834 --> 00:06:00,041 ♪ In the midnight hour... ♪ 121 00:06:00,042 --> 00:06:02,625 When "Rebel Yell" came out 122 00:06:02,626 --> 00:06:04,208 around late '83, 123 00:06:04,209 --> 00:06:06,041 that's around the time 124 00:06:06,042 --> 00:06:09,416 where I started to see big changes in him. 125 00:06:14,834 --> 00:06:16,708 To be the persona of Billy Idol, 126 00:06:16,709 --> 00:06:18,666 he needed the booze, he needed the drugs 127 00:06:18,667 --> 00:06:20,167 to deal with the pressure of it. 128 00:06:24,876 --> 00:06:27,708 He wasn't Billy Idol unless he was coked up. 129 00:06:27,709 --> 00:06:31,750 The alcohol and the drugs fueled that persona. 130 00:06:52,667 --> 00:06:55,000 A big part of life is luck. 131 00:06:55,417 --> 00:06:57,209 You know, it is a big part. 132 00:07:04,083 --> 00:07:06,917 William Broad turning into Billy Idol was huge 133 00:07:06,918 --> 00:07:07,918 and, um... 134 00:07:08,751 --> 00:07:10,083 you were gonna make it stick. 135 00:07:16,375 --> 00:07:19,917 Didn't know if it could hold, if people would get it, 136 00:07:19,918 --> 00:07:21,416 but you were gonna make it stick. 137 00:07:26,584 --> 00:07:28,667 But, you know, that was the fun of punk rock. 138 00:07:29,250 --> 00:07:32,000 And that was almost what it was asking you to do. 139 00:07:32,459 --> 00:07:35,458 It was asking you to go out on a fucking limb 140 00:07:35,459 --> 00:07:38,416 and hope, hope to hell it's not sawn off behind you, 141 00:07:38,417 --> 00:07:40,291 'cause it's probably gonna be. 142 00:07:40,292 --> 00:07:43,959 But by the time it is, you'll probably be dead. 143 00:07:50,167 --> 00:07:51,625 I remember getting a call 144 00:07:51,626 --> 00:07:54,501 at like four in the morning from his dad. 145 00:07:55,083 --> 00:07:57,124 And obviously, I was sleeping, and he said, 146 00:07:57,125 --> 00:07:58,792 "Where's my son?" 147 00:07:59,250 --> 00:08:01,333 "He's in New York City, Mr. Broad." 148 00:08:01,334 --> 00:08:03,626 And he said, "Where's my son?" 149 00:08:04,167 --> 00:08:06,458 And I said, uh, "I am-- I'm gonna assume 150 00:08:06,459 --> 00:08:07,834 he's at his apartment." 151 00:08:08,167 --> 00:08:09,458 "Where's my son?" 152 00:08:20,792 --> 00:08:23,000 My dad was William Broad. 153 00:08:23,876 --> 00:08:25,500 Dad could be reserved. 154 00:08:25,501 --> 00:08:27,124 You know, he was quite a reserved Englishman. 155 00:08:27,125 --> 00:08:28,459 He was very English, really. 156 00:08:30,042 --> 00:08:31,959 But he was an incredible salesman. 157 00:08:33,125 --> 00:08:34,208 When he sold, 158 00:08:34,209 --> 00:08:36,375 his whole personality came alive. 159 00:08:38,501 --> 00:08:40,167 I'm sort of like my dad. 160 00:08:41,292 --> 00:08:44,208 'Cause, really, what am I but a glorified salesman? 161 00:08:44,209 --> 00:08:45,083 I mean, really. 162 00:08:46,667 --> 00:08:48,167 But the only difference is, 163 00:08:49,125 --> 00:08:50,584 I make my own product. 164 00:09:01,125 --> 00:09:03,374 When I was about 14 and a half, 165 00:09:03,375 --> 00:09:04,918 we moved to Bromley, 166 00:09:06,375 --> 00:09:09,000 which is about an hour away from London. 167 00:09:10,209 --> 00:09:11,708 It was right when 168 00:09:11,709 --> 00:09:14,542 the music scene exploded in England. 169 00:09:15,876 --> 00:09:18,166 My dad didn't really completely understand me 170 00:09:18,167 --> 00:09:20,083 because I wasn't trying at school. 171 00:09:20,501 --> 00:09:22,500 Physics, chemistry, mathematics, 172 00:09:22,501 --> 00:09:25,042 I-I just couldn't do it. I mean, I didn't wanna do it. 173 00:09:26,167 --> 00:09:27,375 Well, there was... 174 00:09:27,751 --> 00:09:30,583 a year or two when my dad wouldn't speak to Billy. 175 00:09:31,876 --> 00:09:33,249 Billy was going through this sort of phase 176 00:09:33,250 --> 00:09:34,917 that my dad didn't understand. 177 00:09:34,918 --> 00:09:36,166 - Yeah. - My dad always wore 178 00:09:36,167 --> 00:09:37,541 a suit and a tie. 179 00:09:37,542 --> 00:09:40,208 Played golf. He was a businessman. 180 00:09:40,209 --> 00:09:42,709 He didn't understand Billy's world of music. 181 00:09:43,167 --> 00:09:45,416 He had John Lennon specs 182 00:09:45,417 --> 00:09:47,541 and long hair in those days. 183 00:09:47,542 --> 00:09:48,958 He looked terrible. 184 00:09:50,959 --> 00:09:52,792 He wasn't gonna hit him 185 00:09:53,083 --> 00:09:55,958 and he had given up shouting. 186 00:09:55,959 --> 00:09:58,124 His only way to protest 187 00:09:58,125 --> 00:10:00,626 - was to stop speaking to him. - Was silence. 188 00:10:01,042 --> 00:10:03,416 Dad would talk to Jane and me, 189 00:10:03,417 --> 00:10:06,291 but ignore you at the dinner table. 190 00:10:06,292 --> 00:10:08,416 We didn't make much conversation 191 00:10:08,417 --> 00:10:10,625 - in those two years. - Wow... 192 00:10:14,167 --> 00:10:15,625 At first, I was upset, 193 00:10:15,626 --> 00:10:17,625 but then of course there's a side of me going, 194 00:10:17,626 --> 00:10:20,082 you're like a hop, skip, and a jump from the capital. 195 00:10:20,083 --> 00:10:21,958 You know, you're right there. 196 00:10:21,959 --> 00:10:23,583 You can see everything. 197 00:10:29,250 --> 00:10:31,124 I saw, you know, millions of groups. 198 00:10:31,125 --> 00:10:33,166 That's just what we did. You know, we loved music 199 00:10:33,167 --> 00:10:34,625 and it was kind of... 200 00:10:34,626 --> 00:10:36,501 It was what was giving us a sense of freedom. 201 00:10:42,334 --> 00:10:44,500 He had some friends, they were-- 202 00:10:44,501 --> 00:10:46,666 they were all interested in music. 203 00:10:46,667 --> 00:10:48,666 I kind of ran into, um, Steve Bailey. 204 00:10:48,667 --> 00:10:51,333 He was Steve Severin of The Banshees. 205 00:10:51,334 --> 00:10:54,750 And Steve eventually met Susie Ballion, 206 00:10:54,751 --> 00:10:56,667 who became Siouxsie Sioux. 207 00:10:57,167 --> 00:10:58,666 They used to come here 208 00:10:58,667 --> 00:11:01,082 and be upstairs in his bedroom. 209 00:11:01,083 --> 00:11:03,000 And a dozen of them 210 00:11:03,334 --> 00:11:04,917 with drums and everything. 211 00:11:04,918 --> 00:11:07,750 So you can imagine the vibrations in the house. 212 00:11:08,918 --> 00:11:11,833 Used to rock. It really did shake. 213 00:11:17,375 --> 00:11:20,459 For many Britons, these are hard times. 214 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,041 Those without work now account 215 00:11:23,042 --> 00:11:25,876 for six percent of the total labor force. 216 00:11:26,709 --> 00:11:30,333 The start of the '70s, Britain's economic problems 217 00:11:30,334 --> 00:11:32,291 were turning the country upside down. 218 00:11:32,292 --> 00:11:33,875 There was fighting on the streets. 219 00:11:33,876 --> 00:11:35,834 There was, like, strikes galore. 220 00:11:36,209 --> 00:11:37,999 Forecasts of economic growth 221 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,374 have been revised sharply downwards. 222 00:11:40,375 --> 00:11:42,625 By the time we were teenagers, 223 00:11:42,626 --> 00:11:44,291 they were telling you there's no future. 224 00:11:44,292 --> 00:11:47,166 Didn't matter what qualifications you had, 225 00:11:47,167 --> 00:11:48,459 there were no jobs. 226 00:11:48,876 --> 00:11:51,208 I think that young people have got to the end 227 00:11:51,209 --> 00:11:52,500 of their tether, really. 228 00:11:59,626 --> 00:12:02,958 When I was at university, I got a postcard from Steve, 229 00:12:02,959 --> 00:12:04,833 Steve Bailey, Steve Severin, 230 00:12:04,834 --> 00:12:06,626 saying, "Get back up here. 231 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,541 We've seen the group we've been waiting for," 232 00:12:09,542 --> 00:12:11,917 and he was talking about the Sex Pistols. 233 00:12:11,918 --> 00:12:13,292 ♪ God save the Queen ♪ 234 00:12:14,584 --> 00:12:17,167 ♪ The fascist regime ♪ 235 00:12:17,876 --> 00:12:20,541 In the very beginning, there was a small little group 236 00:12:20,542 --> 00:12:23,708 called the Bromley Contingent, and he was part of that. 237 00:12:23,709 --> 00:12:25,708 They got hip to the punk deal 238 00:12:25,709 --> 00:12:27,333 at the early stages, 239 00:12:27,334 --> 00:12:29,375 and Billy was always there. 240 00:12:29,709 --> 00:12:31,374 I remember him when he had black hair. 241 00:12:31,375 --> 00:12:33,584 His haircut was a bit like Spock's. 242 00:12:34,751 --> 00:12:36,791 I had the worst fucking hair, by the way. 243 00:12:36,792 --> 00:12:39,000 It was too thick. I couldn't do shit with it. 244 00:12:40,292 --> 00:12:41,792 I looked like a hairdresser. 245 00:12:48,959 --> 00:12:50,625 So, spring of '76, 246 00:12:50,626 --> 00:12:51,917 I came to the 100 Club. 247 00:12:51,918 --> 00:12:54,041 The Sex Pistols were doing a... 248 00:12:54,042 --> 00:12:55,583 a residency, you know, 249 00:12:55,584 --> 00:12:57,917 and it was like, "This is what we were waiting for," 250 00:12:57,918 --> 00:13:00,041 where somebody challenged what was going on, 251 00:13:00,042 --> 00:13:02,375 the sort of like boredom of everything. 252 00:13:03,250 --> 00:13:06,249 But then people were coming off the street just to, uh, 253 00:13:06,250 --> 00:13:07,333 see what was going on, 254 00:13:07,334 --> 00:13:08,833 and they're shocked, I remember, 255 00:13:08,834 --> 00:13:11,000 'cause the people's expression were like... 256 00:13:11,918 --> 00:13:13,166 "What is this?" 257 00:13:13,167 --> 00:13:14,625 It was incredible, and you're going, 258 00:13:14,626 --> 00:13:16,876 "Now, these guys aren't so different from us." 259 00:13:17,292 --> 00:13:19,249 That was really where you went, "Wow." 260 00:13:24,459 --> 00:13:26,082 In a way, the Pistols were telling you, 261 00:13:26,083 --> 00:13:28,999 "All you gotta do is get up there and do it." 262 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,542 ♪ Submission... ♪ 263 00:13:30,959 --> 00:13:32,750 It seemed like everyone used to come 264 00:13:32,751 --> 00:13:35,041 and see us play. The fans, if you like. 265 00:13:35,042 --> 00:13:37,583 A few weeks later, they'd all started bands. 266 00:13:37,584 --> 00:13:39,333 We're looking around, we're still playing away, 267 00:13:39,334 --> 00:13:41,666 and there's, "Oh, that guy used to come to our gig." 268 00:13:41,667 --> 00:13:42,917 "Oh, so did he. They're in-- 269 00:13:42,918 --> 00:13:44,751 Oh, he's in The Buzzcocks now." 270 00:13:45,125 --> 00:13:46,667 "Oh, he's in The Clash." 271 00:13:47,250 --> 00:13:49,917 It's like all these bands just came out of nowhere. 272 00:13:52,334 --> 00:13:54,416 After the first year of university, 273 00:13:54,417 --> 00:13:56,834 I told my mom and dad, "I'm not going back." 274 00:13:57,209 --> 00:13:59,208 Well, that was a sad day. 275 00:14:00,626 --> 00:14:02,541 "I'm gonna join a punk rock group." 276 00:14:02,542 --> 00:14:04,791 So they were horrified, really horrified, 277 00:14:04,792 --> 00:14:06,333 that I was leaving university, 278 00:14:06,334 --> 00:14:07,625 but at the same time, 279 00:14:07,626 --> 00:14:09,500 they didn't prevent me doing what I was doing. 280 00:14:09,501 --> 00:14:10,917 Didn't try and stop me or anything. 281 00:14:10,918 --> 00:14:14,791 I encouraged him with it, I think. 282 00:14:15,959 --> 00:14:18,167 But Bill wasn't happy about it. 283 00:14:20,501 --> 00:14:22,041 They were frightened to death of me 284 00:14:22,042 --> 00:14:23,625 being in a punk rock group. 285 00:14:23,626 --> 00:14:25,083 I know they were. 286 00:14:25,501 --> 00:14:27,666 We were not thinking long-term. 287 00:14:27,667 --> 00:14:31,250 There was probably 200 people really into it. 288 00:14:31,709 --> 00:14:34,000 The scene was so small 289 00:14:34,334 --> 00:14:36,249 and you kind of had to advertise. 290 00:14:36,250 --> 00:14:38,542 So I put an advert in Melody Maker. 291 00:14:38,918 --> 00:14:40,999 I saw this advert in the paper and I thought, 292 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,750 "Oh, that sounds really interesting." 293 00:14:42,751 --> 00:14:45,708 So Billy and I got together a couple of times, 294 00:14:45,709 --> 00:14:47,875 but then this other band, Chelsea, comes along, 295 00:14:47,876 --> 00:14:50,292 and we'd both gone to audition. 296 00:14:53,083 --> 00:14:56,541 When Billy arrived, I thought, "That's the look." 297 00:14:56,542 --> 00:14:58,625 We looked at him and it was like, 298 00:14:58,626 --> 00:15:00,959 "Yeah!" 299 00:15:01,501 --> 00:15:03,208 You know, I was a bit nervous. 300 00:15:03,209 --> 00:15:06,166 They were really nice and helped me tune my guitar up. 301 00:15:07,375 --> 00:15:08,917 Gene October said, 302 00:15:08,918 --> 00:15:10,999 "He may not be able to tune up, 303 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,374 but he's got the right attitude. 304 00:15:12,375 --> 00:15:13,583 He's got the right look. 305 00:15:13,584 --> 00:15:16,167 He knows the scene. He's in." 306 00:15:22,584 --> 00:15:25,249 And so, Billy and I became the guitarist 307 00:15:25,250 --> 00:15:26,917 and bass player of Chelsea 308 00:15:26,918 --> 00:15:29,584 with Gene October as the singer. 309 00:15:38,250 --> 00:15:39,249 No. 310 00:15:42,584 --> 00:15:43,501 No. 311 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,124 Okay. 312 00:15:49,584 --> 00:15:52,876 Billy and I, we were both clearly middle class. 313 00:15:53,250 --> 00:15:56,249 This worked against us because punk rock was seen 314 00:15:56,250 --> 00:15:58,917 as a very working-class movement, 315 00:15:58,918 --> 00:16:01,124 and it was always difficult for Billy and I 316 00:16:01,125 --> 00:16:03,918 because we couldn't pretend to be something different. 317 00:16:05,501 --> 00:16:07,667 But that bonded us together. 318 00:16:08,709 --> 00:16:10,666 Instantly, Billy and I felt 319 00:16:10,667 --> 00:16:12,791 compelled to write songs together. 320 00:16:12,792 --> 00:16:15,500 ♪ Ready, steady, go ♪ 321 00:16:15,501 --> 00:16:17,082 ♪ Ready, steady, go... ♪ 322 00:16:17,083 --> 00:16:19,500 As children, I'd watch Ready Steady Go!, 323 00:16:19,501 --> 00:16:21,666 this show that was on a Friday night, 324 00:16:21,667 --> 00:16:23,959 and it always began with the catchphrase... 325 00:16:24,876 --> 00:16:26,833 "The weekend starts here. 326 00:16:26,834 --> 00:16:28,166 Ready, steady, go!" 327 00:16:28,167 --> 00:16:30,249 ♪ Go! ♪ 328 00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:31,999 I mean, we're talking me and Billy 329 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,584 first meeting through the advert in August 1976. 330 00:16:36,959 --> 00:16:39,459 By October, we're playing gigs with Chelsea. 331 00:16:40,834 --> 00:16:44,041 And we've already written half a dozen songs ourselves. 332 00:16:44,042 --> 00:16:46,417 From that moment, we suddenly went... 333 00:16:46,792 --> 00:16:48,166 ...you know, 334 00:16:48,167 --> 00:16:50,041 "We should do our own group." 335 00:16:50,042 --> 00:16:52,625 So we decided to leave Chelsea. 336 00:16:52,626 --> 00:16:55,791 And within a couple of weeks, 337 00:16:55,792 --> 00:16:58,667 we'd already settled on calling ourself... 338 00:16:59,876 --> 00:17:01,250 "Generation X." 339 00:17:01,667 --> 00:17:02,791 Generation X, 340 00:17:02,792 --> 00:17:04,208 where did you get the name from? 341 00:17:04,209 --> 00:17:06,500 It came from a sort of a... a book in the '60s. 342 00:17:06,501 --> 00:17:08,458 It's about what young people thought then. 343 00:17:08,459 --> 00:17:09,999 - Right? - Right. 344 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,708 And we felt it meant exactly the same for us today. 345 00:17:12,709 --> 00:17:15,666 You know, the futility and things, things around us. 346 00:17:20,501 --> 00:17:22,708 In 1977, 347 00:17:22,709 --> 00:17:25,875 I'd found Derwood playing guitar in a cover band. 348 00:17:25,876 --> 00:17:28,249 He was doing Jimi Hendrix, Deep Purple, 349 00:17:28,250 --> 00:17:29,542 Black Sabbath numbers. 350 00:17:29,918 --> 00:17:31,125 And we both went... 351 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,208 "He's our guy." 352 00:17:36,209 --> 00:17:39,000 All of a sudden, shaved me head off, 353 00:17:39,584 --> 00:17:41,876 put some clothes that Billy gave me... 354 00:17:43,375 --> 00:17:45,209 and I was in a punk band. 355 00:17:45,709 --> 00:17:47,750 The group was really explosive. 356 00:17:47,751 --> 00:17:50,083 Everybody just meshed together perfectly. 357 00:17:50,417 --> 00:17:53,625 Billy was fantastic as a singer. 358 00:17:53,626 --> 00:17:55,666 And Mark Laff was the drummer. 359 00:17:55,667 --> 00:17:57,541 ♪ Might take a bit of violence... ♪ 360 00:17:57,542 --> 00:18:00,542 Billy and Tony were a little bit up there, you know, 361 00:18:00,918 --> 00:18:03,917 not only in age but in social standing. 362 00:18:03,918 --> 00:18:07,542 So me and Mark really bonded, and what that did 363 00:18:08,042 --> 00:18:11,291 is kind of split the band into two camps, 364 00:18:11,292 --> 00:18:12,417 the leaders 365 00:18:12,792 --> 00:18:14,000 and the followers. 366 00:18:14,918 --> 00:18:16,667 ♪ Your generation ♪ 367 00:18:18,417 --> 00:18:21,375 There's Covent Garden, Neal Street. 368 00:18:22,083 --> 00:18:24,458 The Sex Pistols, uh, there'd been a bit of violence 369 00:18:24,459 --> 00:18:26,999 at the Nashville and the Marquee, 370 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,249 so there was kind of like an unofficial ban, 371 00:18:29,250 --> 00:18:32,750 and they-they weren't letting us play in Inner London. 372 00:18:32,751 --> 00:18:35,208 So we decided, "Let's start a club," 373 00:18:35,209 --> 00:18:37,082 so there was somewhere for us to play, 374 00:18:37,083 --> 00:18:38,583 and also we could rehearse there. 375 00:18:38,584 --> 00:18:41,124 So we began The Roxy. 376 00:18:41,125 --> 00:18:43,082 The Roxy was brilliant because 377 00:18:43,083 --> 00:18:45,375 it kind of felt like we owned it. 378 00:18:45,751 --> 00:18:47,249 We built the stage. 379 00:18:47,250 --> 00:18:49,625 All of us had chipped in and built the stage. 380 00:18:49,626 --> 00:18:51,500 We put up the black drapes 381 00:18:51,501 --> 00:18:54,292 and made these simple flyers. 382 00:18:54,792 --> 00:18:56,999 But then at one of the rehearsals, 383 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,667 Billy turned up and he went, 384 00:18:59,167 --> 00:19:01,291 "I'm thinking of calling myself 'Billy Idol.'" 385 00:19:04,667 --> 00:19:06,333 A teacher at school had written 386 00:19:06,334 --> 00:19:08,291 on my third form report, I was about 13, 387 00:19:08,292 --> 00:19:10,958 had written in big letters, "William is... 388 00:19:10,959 --> 00:19:12,791 I-D-L-E," you know? 389 00:19:12,792 --> 00:19:15,166 And I knew my dad is gonna fucking kill me. 390 00:19:15,167 --> 00:19:16,999 How am I gonna show my dad that? 391 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,124 So I started to think about it 392 00:19:19,125 --> 00:19:21,042 and I went, "Could it be Billy Id... 393 00:19:21,542 --> 00:19:22,584 Idol?" 394 00:19:22,918 --> 00:19:24,917 But it was just a fun thing. 395 00:19:24,918 --> 00:19:27,501 There was already Iggy Pop, you know? So, uh... 396 00:19:27,876 --> 00:19:30,500 why not be Billy Idol sort of thing, you know? 397 00:19:30,501 --> 00:19:31,667 You're your own hero. 398 00:19:35,876 --> 00:19:37,583 It was kind of fun, you know? It was fun. 399 00:19:37,584 --> 00:19:39,041 We were having fun playing 400 00:19:39,042 --> 00:19:42,333 with this new world we were creating, really. 401 00:19:42,334 --> 00:19:43,583 All the punk rockers 402 00:19:43,584 --> 00:19:45,083 were kind of having fun with it. 403 00:19:47,792 --> 00:19:49,875 They are punk rockers. 404 00:19:49,876 --> 00:19:51,374 The new craze, they told me. 405 00:19:51,375 --> 00:19:53,458 Their heroes? 406 00:19:53,459 --> 00:19:56,209 Not the nice, clean Rolling Stones. 407 00:19:56,751 --> 00:19:58,666 You see, they are as drunk as I am. 408 00:19:58,667 --> 00:19:59,875 They're clean by comparison. 409 00:19:59,876 --> 00:20:02,000 They're a group called the Sex Pistols. 410 00:20:02,375 --> 00:20:04,333 The Sex Pistols... 411 00:20:04,334 --> 00:20:07,500 They'd actually got signed a record deal with EMI 412 00:20:07,501 --> 00:20:08,791 and put out "Anarchy in the UK." 413 00:20:08,792 --> 00:20:11,750 And because of that, they went on this TV show, 414 00:20:11,751 --> 00:20:13,583 and the presenter, Bill Grundy, 415 00:20:13,584 --> 00:20:16,459 he was a bit drunk, and so he was deliberately 416 00:20:16,834 --> 00:20:18,208 winding them up, you know? 417 00:20:18,209 --> 00:20:20,249 And, um, under his breath, 418 00:20:20,250 --> 00:20:22,959 Johnny-- John Lydon, John Rotten, said "shit." 419 00:20:26,209 --> 00:20:27,208 It's what? 420 00:20:27,209 --> 00:20:28,751 Nothing. A rude word. 421 00:20:29,083 --> 00:20:30,124 Next question. 422 00:20:30,125 --> 00:20:32,542 No, no. What was the rude word? 423 00:20:32,876 --> 00:20:34,708 - Shit. - Was it really? 424 00:20:34,709 --> 00:20:36,333 - Good heavens. - Bill Grundy then 425 00:20:36,334 --> 00:20:37,708 started to talk to Siouxsie Sioux, 426 00:20:37,709 --> 00:20:39,249 who was one of the Bromley Contingent 427 00:20:39,250 --> 00:20:40,875 who was standing behind the Pistols, 428 00:20:40,876 --> 00:20:43,958 and started to say sort of sexual things to her. 429 00:20:45,334 --> 00:20:47,041 He's like your dad, isn't he? 430 00:20:49,083 --> 00:20:50,125 Enjoying myself. 431 00:20:54,209 --> 00:20:55,125 Yeah. 432 00:20:58,542 --> 00:21:00,459 You dirty bastard. 433 00:21:00,792 --> 00:21:01,666 Go on, then. Go. 434 00:21:01,667 --> 00:21:02,958 You dirty fucker. 435 00:21:02,959 --> 00:21:04,291 What a clever boy. 436 00:21:04,292 --> 00:21:05,583 What a fucking rotter. 437 00:21:05,584 --> 00:21:07,042 Well, that's it for tonight. 438 00:21:07,375 --> 00:21:09,249 The other rocker... 439 00:21:09,250 --> 00:21:12,249 The next day, all of this was on the front page 440 00:21:12,250 --> 00:21:13,958 of every newspaper in England. 441 00:21:13,959 --> 00:21:16,750 All the dailies and the evening news had, 442 00:21:16,751 --> 00:21:17,917 "The Filth and the Fury! 443 00:21:17,918 --> 00:21:20,082 Sex Pistols Swear on Television." 444 00:21:20,083 --> 00:21:21,834 Punk just went kaboom. 445 00:21:22,209 --> 00:21:24,458 ♪ I'm walkin' in the street ♪ 446 00:21:24,459 --> 00:21:27,249 ♪ With the latest on my feet ♪ 447 00:21:27,250 --> 00:21:31,416 ♪ And the hair that makes the people stop and stare ♪ 448 00:21:31,417 --> 00:21:32,917 A whole new teenage cult 449 00:21:32,918 --> 00:21:34,791 that seems to be on their way to being as big 450 00:21:34,792 --> 00:21:36,666 as Mods and Rockers were in the '60s. 451 00:21:36,667 --> 00:21:38,666 ♪ Wild, wild, wild youth ♪ 452 00:21:38,667 --> 00:21:40,166 The cult is called "punk." 453 00:21:40,167 --> 00:21:41,999 The music, "punk rock." 454 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,041 Basic rock music. Raw, outrageous, and crude. 455 00:21:46,042 --> 00:21:48,416 Go on! Tell 'em about punk. 456 00:21:48,417 --> 00:21:50,958 ♪ My records are so loud ♪ 457 00:21:50,959 --> 00:21:53,625 ♪ I gotta hang out with the crowd ♪ 458 00:21:53,626 --> 00:21:55,791 Overnight, every kid in England 459 00:21:55,792 --> 00:21:57,124 had a leather jacket 460 00:21:57,125 --> 00:21:58,959 and wanted to look like the Pistols. 461 00:21:59,334 --> 00:22:01,500 And we were right there, you know? 462 00:22:01,501 --> 00:22:02,626 We were right there. 463 00:22:03,125 --> 00:22:06,833 ♪ Because it gets you in the end... ♪ 464 00:22:06,834 --> 00:22:08,833 We started The Roxy, and then-- 465 00:22:08,834 --> 00:22:11,208 where there was only room for 250 people, 466 00:22:11,209 --> 00:22:12,917 we had a thousand people in there 467 00:22:12,918 --> 00:22:14,334 the first night, you know? 468 00:22:15,501 --> 00:22:17,959 ♪ Wild, wild, wild youth ♪ 469 00:22:18,542 --> 00:22:20,625 ♪ Wild, wild, wild youth... ♪ 470 00:22:20,626 --> 00:22:22,999 At The Roxy, there was definitely that sense 471 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,082 that people were coming to learn how to be punks. 472 00:22:27,083 --> 00:22:28,625 - Probably, yeah. - Yeah. 473 00:22:28,626 --> 00:22:30,333 - 'Cause it was ground zero... - Yeah. 474 00:22:30,334 --> 00:22:32,041 - ...for punk rock. - Absolutely. 475 00:22:32,042 --> 00:22:33,541 ♪ Wild youth ♪ 476 00:22:33,542 --> 00:22:34,833 You were really brash 477 00:22:34,834 --> 00:22:37,458 and confident and charismatic. 478 00:22:37,459 --> 00:22:40,999 I remember thinking that you were gonna be fucking huge. 479 00:22:42,709 --> 00:22:44,501 Whoo! It's Billy Idol in the nude! 480 00:22:46,667 --> 00:22:48,833 Hey! Yeah. 481 00:22:48,834 --> 00:22:50,500 You can film me when I have pants on. 482 00:22:52,626 --> 00:22:55,876 When I look back, it seems extraordinary, 483 00:22:56,209 --> 00:22:57,917 but it's like one of those moments 484 00:22:57,918 --> 00:23:00,042 when the planets align and it's meant to be. 485 00:23:05,459 --> 00:23:08,416 ♪ He came down like a star tonight ♪ 486 00:23:08,417 --> 00:23:11,042 ♪ He's in love with his lonely life... ♪ 487 00:23:11,417 --> 00:23:13,583 We were on tour quite a lot in England. 488 00:23:13,584 --> 00:23:17,500 You know, we'd do the gig and the road crew would come back 489 00:23:17,501 --> 00:23:20,000 and we'd all just trash the room. 490 00:23:20,375 --> 00:23:21,999 ♪ Heaven's inside somewhere... ♪ 491 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,999 You know, spill stuff and burn sheets. 492 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,083 Not on purpose, but... you know. 493 00:23:30,709 --> 00:23:33,041 ♪ Heaven's inside somewhere... ♪ 494 00:23:33,042 --> 00:23:34,875 We had a club in Birmingham called Barbarella's, 495 00:23:34,876 --> 00:23:38,292 which was the club for-for punk. 496 00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:41,333 Gen X came up and did a weekend, 497 00:23:41,334 --> 00:23:42,541 and I was right up against 498 00:23:42,542 --> 00:23:44,501 the front of the stage when they came out. 499 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,625 It was like a gob fest, you know? 500 00:23:47,626 --> 00:23:49,291 I mean, spitting at the bands 501 00:23:49,292 --> 00:23:52,625 was the way that you showed appreciation, 502 00:23:52,626 --> 00:23:54,042 which was really bizarre. 503 00:23:59,250 --> 00:24:01,792 Sometimes, when Generation X played, 504 00:24:02,459 --> 00:24:03,918 it was, uh, frightening. 505 00:24:04,834 --> 00:24:06,416 It was frightening. 506 00:24:06,417 --> 00:24:08,416 It was, for a young kid. 507 00:24:11,792 --> 00:24:14,166 What happened at your gig last Sunday? 508 00:24:14,167 --> 00:24:15,875 Something strange going on there, wasn't there? 509 00:24:15,876 --> 00:24:18,250 It was just a bit of, uh, kind of aggravation. 510 00:24:19,584 --> 00:24:24,333 The violence aimed towards us by skinheads and punks, 511 00:24:24,334 --> 00:24:26,958 you know, they all came to our gigs 512 00:24:26,959 --> 00:24:29,167 with the mutual hatred for us 513 00:24:29,667 --> 00:24:34,959 because they looked at the qualifications of all of us 514 00:24:35,501 --> 00:24:39,584 and came to the conclusion these guys were posers. 515 00:24:41,626 --> 00:24:44,042 Billy stuck out 'cause he's beautiful. 516 00:24:44,459 --> 00:24:45,958 He was like a pretty boy 517 00:24:45,959 --> 00:24:48,542 and I don't think a lot of people took him seriously. 518 00:24:50,667 --> 00:24:52,709 We did get a bit of stick. 519 00:24:53,083 --> 00:24:54,667 People did take exception, 520 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,791 but you had to not care about things like that too much 521 00:24:58,792 --> 00:25:01,333 because people were gonna find something about you 522 00:25:01,334 --> 00:25:02,333 they didn't like 523 00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:03,666 even if you were working class. 524 00:25:03,667 --> 00:25:05,501 I still would've been good-looking, so. 525 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,500 So there was loads of little barriers you came across, 526 00:25:14,501 --> 00:25:15,625 but then something would happen 527 00:25:15,626 --> 00:25:17,042 and they would fall away. 528 00:25:22,542 --> 00:25:23,833 Alright. 529 00:25:23,834 --> 00:25:25,876 Welcome to a new show called Marc. 530 00:25:26,209 --> 00:25:30,333 Could be a lot of new sounds, a lot of new experiences. 531 00:25:30,334 --> 00:25:33,209 We met Marc Bolan at The Roxy. 532 00:25:33,667 --> 00:25:35,374 He was really into the punk 533 00:25:35,375 --> 00:25:38,249 because he was the first punk, really... 534 00:25:41,209 --> 00:25:43,459 ...you know, four or five years earlier. 535 00:25:44,083 --> 00:25:45,917 ♪ Well, you're dirty and sweet ♪ 536 00:25:45,918 --> 00:25:47,708 ♪ Clad in black, don't look back ♪ 537 00:25:47,709 --> 00:25:50,167 ♪ And I love you... ♪ 538 00:25:50,667 --> 00:25:53,041 I find the Pistols very believable. 539 00:25:53,042 --> 00:25:56,374 I find The Ramones are beautifully unbelievable. 540 00:25:56,375 --> 00:25:57,500 I mean that in the nicest way. 541 00:25:57,501 --> 00:26:00,374 I love The Jam. Uh, The Damned, 542 00:26:00,375 --> 00:26:01,875 I love their songs. 543 00:26:01,876 --> 00:26:03,791 He invited Generation X 544 00:26:03,792 --> 00:26:05,416 onto the Marc Bolan show, 545 00:26:05,417 --> 00:26:07,917 which, you know, in pop culture 546 00:26:07,918 --> 00:26:09,166 is a really famous show 547 00:26:09,167 --> 00:26:11,167 because Bowie did the same show. 548 00:26:14,751 --> 00:26:18,876 So we drove there, and our wonderful road crew, 549 00:26:19,542 --> 00:26:21,042 their van broke down 550 00:26:23,083 --> 00:26:24,374 with all our equipment. 551 00:26:27,334 --> 00:26:29,083 We got there, but our gear didn't. 552 00:26:29,542 --> 00:26:31,374 So we were standing next to Marc 553 00:26:31,375 --> 00:26:33,249 when the producer came out. 554 00:26:33,250 --> 00:26:35,708 She said, "That's it, Marc. I mean, their gear's not here. 555 00:26:35,709 --> 00:26:37,292 They can't be on the show." 556 00:26:37,792 --> 00:26:39,708 And, you know, from what I understand, 557 00:26:39,709 --> 00:26:42,834 Billy kind of got Marc a little stirred up. 558 00:26:43,167 --> 00:26:45,626 You know, Billy was a little too cute. 559 00:26:46,125 --> 00:26:48,875 Marc said, "Well, if they're not doing it, 560 00:26:48,876 --> 00:26:50,416 I'm not doing it." 561 00:26:50,417 --> 00:26:52,917 And she went, "What? What do you mean?" 562 00:26:52,918 --> 00:26:55,459 And he started to say, "Look. Calm down. 563 00:26:55,876 --> 00:26:57,082 I can lend them my guitar. 564 00:26:57,083 --> 00:26:59,249 I'm sure one of the other bands would lend them 565 00:26:59,250 --> 00:27:00,333 a bass guitar or something 566 00:27:00,334 --> 00:27:02,042 and we can hire a drum kit." 567 00:27:02,542 --> 00:27:05,209 And then we played on his TV show. 568 00:27:05,626 --> 00:27:09,750 But after we'd done our thing, they started filming 569 00:27:09,751 --> 00:27:11,666 Marc and David. 570 00:27:11,667 --> 00:27:12,625 Go! 571 00:27:17,375 --> 00:27:19,584 And I'm like, I was there. 572 00:27:19,959 --> 00:27:22,249 I'll never forget that feeling of, 573 00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:26,042 "Oh my God, there's Marc Bolan and David Bowie." 574 00:27:26,626 --> 00:27:28,792 You know what I mean? It was beautiful. 575 00:27:32,167 --> 00:27:33,875 We were waiting a couple of weeks 576 00:27:33,876 --> 00:27:35,250 for the show to come out. 577 00:27:35,667 --> 00:27:37,125 Well, in the meantime... 578 00:27:38,751 --> 00:27:40,666 Marc has his car accident where he dies. 579 00:27:40,667 --> 00:27:42,124 Six o'clock news. 580 00:27:42,125 --> 00:27:44,041 We've just heard that controversial rock star 581 00:27:44,042 --> 00:27:46,416 Marc Bolan has been killed in a car crash. 582 00:27:46,417 --> 00:27:49,666 His Mini, being driven by girlfriend Gloria Jones, 583 00:27:49,667 --> 00:27:52,374 has careered off the road into a tree in South London. 584 00:27:52,375 --> 00:27:55,166 Gloria's detained in hospital with serious injuries... 585 00:27:55,167 --> 00:27:57,125 That was a terrible shock. 586 00:27:58,250 --> 00:28:00,417 He never drove a car because he... 587 00:28:00,792 --> 00:28:02,833 because he didn't wanna die in a car accident. 588 00:28:06,667 --> 00:28:08,792 A week or so after he died... 589 00:28:11,209 --> 00:28:13,833 15 million people or something saw that show. 590 00:28:15,709 --> 00:28:17,999 This is a new group called, uh, Generation X, 591 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,750 who have a lead singer called Billy Idol, 592 00:28:20,751 --> 00:28:22,666 who's supposed to be as... 593 00:28:22,667 --> 00:28:23,917 ...pretty as me. 594 00:28:23,918 --> 00:28:26,042 We'll see now. Generation X. 595 00:28:26,792 --> 00:28:27,875 One, two, three. 596 00:28:32,417 --> 00:28:36,125 ♪ Well, I'm trying to forget your generation ♪ 597 00:28:36,834 --> 00:28:39,959 ♪ Usin' any way I see ♪ 598 00:28:41,667 --> 00:28:45,167 ♪ Well, the end must justify the means ♪ 599 00:28:45,584 --> 00:28:49,375 ♪ Your generation don't mean a thing to me! ♪ 600 00:28:50,709 --> 00:28:54,542 ♪ Your generation don't mean a thing to me! ♪ 601 00:28:56,042 --> 00:29:04,750 ♪ Your generation don't mean a thing to me! ♪ 602 00:29:11,042 --> 00:29:13,416 It was the most extraordinary time. 603 00:29:13,417 --> 00:29:15,918 We knew something was happening. 604 00:29:16,334 --> 00:29:18,625 There was a queue around the block when we played. 605 00:29:33,959 --> 00:29:36,208 Once we're on the covers of magazines, 606 00:29:36,209 --> 00:29:39,917 everything kind of changes and suddenly it becomes real. 607 00:29:45,375 --> 00:29:47,458 My mum was so proud, you know? 608 00:29:47,459 --> 00:29:49,249 She could tell all her friends, 609 00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:51,291 "My son's on Top of the Pops." 610 00:29:51,292 --> 00:29:53,708 ♪ Ready, steady, go! ♪ 611 00:29:53,709 --> 00:29:56,000 ♪ All things she said... ♪ 612 00:29:56,417 --> 00:29:58,500 This explosion on television, 613 00:29:58,501 --> 00:30:02,166 that's the last thing we were seriously expecting. 614 00:30:02,167 --> 00:30:04,833 We were doing this thing that we thought 615 00:30:04,834 --> 00:30:07,124 was a completely out-there thing, 616 00:30:07,125 --> 00:30:08,459 it'll never get big. 617 00:30:08,834 --> 00:30:12,000 We were not thinking, "This is going to be huge." 618 00:30:12,334 --> 00:30:13,791 'Cause it was not on the horizon. 619 00:30:15,834 --> 00:30:18,542 But after that, I never had to turn back. 620 00:30:18,834 --> 00:30:21,375 It just went on from there, you know. 621 00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:40,751 - Get ready! It's... - Billy "Bleeping" Idol! 622 00:30:46,501 --> 00:30:49,500 There was a moment there where... 623 00:30:49,501 --> 00:30:51,500 ...you know, I'd done what I set out to do. 624 00:30:51,501 --> 00:30:53,541 I was coming back to England. 625 00:30:53,542 --> 00:30:54,666 I'd done it, you know? 626 00:30:54,667 --> 00:30:55,958 So I was coming back in triumph 627 00:30:55,959 --> 00:30:57,751 and, uh, I nearly ruined it. 628 00:30:59,709 --> 00:31:01,666 So we flew to London 629 00:31:01,667 --> 00:31:05,000 when we met a load of our pals that we knew. 630 00:31:07,209 --> 00:31:09,334 They had some of the strongest heroin. 631 00:31:11,667 --> 00:31:13,459 Persian Brown, I think it was. 632 00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:18,751 Everybody did a line or so. 633 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,917 And, uh, they all nodded out 634 00:31:21,918 --> 00:31:25,250 except for me and this mate of mine, 635 00:31:25,709 --> 00:31:28,374 and we kind of went, "Well, that's funny." 636 00:31:28,375 --> 00:31:31,209 So we did a few more lines, really. 637 00:31:41,751 --> 00:31:43,082 I was basically dying. 638 00:31:45,918 --> 00:31:47,250 I was turning blue. 639 00:31:52,125 --> 00:31:57,250 So, um, they put me in a bath, in an ice-cold bath. 640 00:32:00,959 --> 00:32:02,791 And I remember them walking me around 641 00:32:02,792 --> 00:32:05,751 on the top of the building, you know, on the roof. 642 00:32:25,125 --> 00:32:27,416 You know, when I'd met Billy, 643 00:32:27,417 --> 00:32:30,124 he didn't smoke, didn't do drugs, didn't drink. 644 00:32:30,125 --> 00:32:32,791 So he was totally clean, you know? 645 00:32:32,792 --> 00:32:35,125 Sure fucking changed that quick, didn't he? 646 00:32:38,292 --> 00:32:42,375 I think he felt a pressure from people to be Billy Idol. 647 00:32:45,334 --> 00:32:48,709 To somehow be credible. 648 00:32:51,459 --> 00:32:53,750 And maybe that-- I don't know 649 00:32:53,751 --> 00:32:55,666 what he would tell you were his reasons 650 00:32:55,667 --> 00:32:57,125 for starting to take heroin, 651 00:32:58,459 --> 00:33:01,917 but the thing that changed everything 652 00:33:01,918 --> 00:33:04,458 or that changed mine and Billy's relationship 653 00:33:04,459 --> 00:33:07,416 was that we'd gone out one night together 654 00:33:07,417 --> 00:33:09,791 and we'd met the girls from Hot Gossip. 655 00:33:13,542 --> 00:33:16,792 I was in this punk rock dance group called Hot Gossip. 656 00:33:17,292 --> 00:33:19,875 The choreography was very aggressive, 657 00:33:19,876 --> 00:33:22,333 modern ballet, sexual, ooh. 658 00:33:22,334 --> 00:33:24,083 We danced to the latest music. 659 00:33:25,459 --> 00:33:28,500 Perri initially had been basically a bigger star 660 00:33:28,501 --> 00:33:29,626 than me in England. 661 00:33:30,709 --> 00:33:32,458 You know, yeah, I was on Top of the Pops, 662 00:33:32,459 --> 00:33:34,834 but they were on regular TV, you know? 663 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,958 We were performing in a nightclub 664 00:33:39,959 --> 00:33:44,626 but in the corner was Billy and his bass player, Tony. 665 00:33:45,125 --> 00:33:46,833 We just walked towards each other 666 00:33:46,834 --> 00:33:48,834 and we started chatting, and... 667 00:33:49,334 --> 00:33:52,124 "Oh my God, this guy is perfect." 668 00:33:52,125 --> 00:33:54,583 He was such the life and soul, and so was I. 669 00:33:54,584 --> 00:33:58,125 So together, we were like a firecracker. 670 00:33:58,667 --> 00:34:00,666 I mean, we hardly ate, we hardly slept, 671 00:34:00,667 --> 00:34:03,875 but we just... we were always out having fun. 672 00:34:06,417 --> 00:34:08,459 Billy did start going out with Perri. 673 00:34:09,209 --> 00:34:11,166 The biggest problem was that 674 00:34:11,167 --> 00:34:12,999 heroin was involved in that. 675 00:34:17,042 --> 00:34:19,249 You know, for me it was something 676 00:34:19,250 --> 00:34:20,334 I was really scared of. 677 00:34:22,334 --> 00:34:23,791 That's what was going on. 678 00:34:23,792 --> 00:34:26,082 The scene had embraced hard drugs, really. 679 00:34:26,083 --> 00:34:27,834 A number of people were on them, you know. 680 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,876 But, you know, you're wide open for it. 681 00:34:39,292 --> 00:34:41,416 You know, a lot of the people we loved 682 00:34:41,417 --> 00:34:42,626 were all heroin addicts. 683 00:34:43,042 --> 00:34:44,999 Lou Reed wrote the song "Heroin." 684 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,416 You know, The New York Dolls 685 00:34:46,417 --> 00:34:48,125 were all heroin addicts, practically. 686 00:34:48,417 --> 00:34:50,458 So you weren't thinking how dangerous it was. 687 00:34:50,459 --> 00:34:52,876 In fact, you're thinking quite the opposite. 688 00:34:53,250 --> 00:34:55,625 "Maybe this could unleash something," you know. 689 00:35:04,584 --> 00:35:06,792 We were touring Japan. 690 00:35:07,209 --> 00:35:09,291 You know, we're playing really big places, 691 00:35:09,292 --> 00:35:10,959 people are going nuts. 692 00:35:12,459 --> 00:35:14,541 And, um, one night after the gig, 693 00:35:14,542 --> 00:35:16,583 Billy and I went to a club 694 00:35:16,584 --> 00:35:18,291 and we were standing having a drink, 695 00:35:18,292 --> 00:35:22,124 and we were watching this kid dancing with his reflection 696 00:35:22,125 --> 00:35:24,125 in the mirrored walls in this club. 697 00:35:24,501 --> 00:35:26,333 And Billy went, "Wow, look at that kid. Look. 698 00:35:26,334 --> 00:35:28,375 He's, like, dancing with his reflection." 699 00:35:28,751 --> 00:35:32,500 Right? And I went, "Yeah. Dancing with myself." 700 00:35:32,501 --> 00:35:35,167 I went, "Billy, that's gonna be a great name for a song." 701 00:35:39,834 --> 00:35:42,416 When we were recording back home, 702 00:35:42,417 --> 00:35:44,625 Billy came in one morning and he went, 703 00:35:44,626 --> 00:35:45,791 "You know that song, 704 00:35:45,792 --> 00:35:47,041 'Dancing With Myself' we've got? 705 00:35:47,042 --> 00:35:48,958 I've got a bit of a tune for it." 706 00:35:48,959 --> 00:35:50,583 And he went, "Look, it goes like this." 707 00:35:52,083 --> 00:35:55,124 And literally in the space of like two minutes, 708 00:35:55,125 --> 00:35:57,625 we wrote all the lyrics, just the two of us, 709 00:35:57,626 --> 00:36:00,166 and by the afternoon we'd recorded the demo. 710 00:36:02,584 --> 00:36:05,042 We'd been a part of this music revolution... 711 00:36:06,292 --> 00:36:08,918 and we wanna push it, push it onward. 712 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,708 The first initial wave of punk was ending 713 00:36:21,709 --> 00:36:25,875 and a lot of people were morphing their music 714 00:36:25,876 --> 00:36:27,792 into different areas. 715 00:36:28,292 --> 00:36:30,374 Some people were leaving the initial group, 716 00:36:30,375 --> 00:36:32,459 or the initial group had broken up. 717 00:36:34,334 --> 00:36:38,041 And, um, eventually, one way or another, 718 00:36:38,042 --> 00:36:39,751 Derwood and Mark left. 719 00:36:41,959 --> 00:36:44,042 They left me and Tony on our own. 720 00:36:47,417 --> 00:36:50,208 So I went into, um, Chrysalis Records 721 00:36:50,209 --> 00:36:51,708 and said, "Look, I've got this idea. 722 00:36:51,709 --> 00:36:53,708 Why don't we see if we could get 723 00:36:53,709 --> 00:36:55,417 Bill Aucoin to manage the group?" 724 00:36:56,667 --> 00:36:58,541 Tony, I think as a joke, sort of said, 725 00:36:58,542 --> 00:37:01,834 "What about the guy who manages KISS, Bill Aucoin?" 726 00:37:02,292 --> 00:37:04,374 'Cause I thought, look, here's the manager 727 00:37:04,375 --> 00:37:05,833 of one of the biggest groups in the States. 728 00:37:05,834 --> 00:37:09,083 He's going to understand what Generation X is about. 729 00:37:09,459 --> 00:37:11,124 So I said to Bill Aucoin, 730 00:37:11,125 --> 00:37:13,166 "What we need is a rock and roll, 731 00:37:13,167 --> 00:37:15,625 for want of a better word, 'disco producer.' 732 00:37:15,626 --> 00:37:17,875 We need someone who knows dance music." 733 00:37:17,876 --> 00:37:21,082 'Cause I was listening to just as much disco music 734 00:37:21,083 --> 00:37:23,833 and disco remix as I was punk rock, 735 00:37:23,834 --> 00:37:25,208 and I was starting to think, 736 00:37:25,209 --> 00:37:27,791 what about if you put the two musics together? 737 00:37:27,792 --> 00:37:29,500 Alright. 738 00:37:29,501 --> 00:37:31,125 And the winner is... 739 00:37:33,626 --> 00:37:34,541 Wow. 740 00:37:34,542 --> 00:37:36,791 The winner is Giorgio Moroder 741 00:37:36,792 --> 00:37:38,082 for Midnight Express. 742 00:37:42,250 --> 00:37:45,541 Giorgio Moroder worked in the disco world. 743 00:37:50,542 --> 00:37:52,750 He was a producer who was huge, 744 00:37:52,751 --> 00:37:54,958 and he'd written some songs for Donna Summer. 745 00:37:54,959 --> 00:37:57,041 - ♪ Lookin' for some ♪ - ♪ Hot stuff ♪ 746 00:37:57,042 --> 00:37:58,834 ♪ Baby, this evening ♪ 747 00:37:59,250 --> 00:38:00,917 - ♪ I need some ♪ - ♪ Hot stuff ♪ 748 00:38:00,918 --> 00:38:02,583 ♪ Baby, tonight ♪ 749 00:38:05,918 --> 00:38:07,416 The first time I heard Billy, 750 00:38:07,417 --> 00:38:09,583 I was in, um, Los Angeles. 751 00:38:09,584 --> 00:38:11,458 I worked for Giorgio Moroder. 752 00:38:11,459 --> 00:38:13,875 I used to screen all of the material 753 00:38:13,876 --> 00:38:15,500 that came to the house. 754 00:38:15,501 --> 00:38:17,999 We'd just get records, cassettes, everything, 755 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,041 'cause Moroder was huge at that time. 756 00:38:20,042 --> 00:38:21,958 And I'd never seen-- I'd never seen Gen X, 757 00:38:21,959 --> 00:38:24,626 I'd never seen Billy, I just got the cassette. 758 00:38:29,626 --> 00:38:31,082 It was a lucky break. 759 00:38:31,083 --> 00:38:33,625 I think it was just the fact that I'm in the States 760 00:38:33,626 --> 00:38:36,791 and I'm not paying attention to punk rock that much, 761 00:38:36,792 --> 00:38:39,333 but the voice from Idol was like, 762 00:38:39,334 --> 00:38:40,917 wow, you can't deny it. 763 00:38:40,918 --> 00:38:43,500 ♪ Or down in London town to go, go... ♪ 764 00:38:43,501 --> 00:38:45,958 So I said, "Hey boss, maybe you should do this." 765 00:38:45,959 --> 00:38:47,208 He didn't wanna do it. 766 00:38:47,209 --> 00:38:48,833 I said, "Well, maybe I can do it? 767 00:38:48,834 --> 00:38:50,374 Maybe I can produce it for your company?" 768 00:38:50,375 --> 00:38:51,334 I'd never been a producer. 769 00:38:52,167 --> 00:38:54,249 He called Bill Aucoin 770 00:38:54,250 --> 00:38:56,334 and, uh, they said, "Yeah, let's do it." 771 00:38:58,751 --> 00:38:59,791 First gig ever. 772 00:39:07,292 --> 00:39:08,918 It was a little scary at first. 773 00:39:12,083 --> 00:39:15,334 The scene in London was a lot of heroin everywhere. 774 00:39:17,501 --> 00:39:19,333 We recorded at AIR Studios, 775 00:39:19,334 --> 00:39:21,166 which is above Oxford Circus. 776 00:39:21,167 --> 00:39:23,625 We had the idea that we should get Steve Jones 777 00:39:23,626 --> 00:39:25,708 to play the rhythm guitars. 778 00:39:25,709 --> 00:39:29,500 I had a seizure 'cause I'd just come back from Thailand 779 00:39:29,501 --> 00:39:30,833 and I was strung out. 780 00:39:30,834 --> 00:39:32,291 Everyone thought I was joking 781 00:39:32,292 --> 00:39:33,791 'cause I'm a joker, you know? 782 00:39:33,792 --> 00:39:36,291 But next thing I know, I'm carted along Oxford Street 783 00:39:36,292 --> 00:39:37,333 on a stretcher. 784 00:39:37,334 --> 00:39:41,125 Anyway, that was what I remember of that. 785 00:39:41,542 --> 00:39:44,791 Steve New played the lead guitar parts. 786 00:39:44,792 --> 00:39:46,918 He was a heroin addict as well. 787 00:39:48,167 --> 00:39:50,875 Keith Forsey is in the control room, thinking, 788 00:39:50,876 --> 00:39:53,082 "What the fuck am I letting myself in for?" 789 00:39:53,083 --> 00:39:55,208 There are three large bottles of methadone 790 00:39:55,209 --> 00:39:56,917 on the top of the control desk. 791 00:39:56,918 --> 00:39:59,500 One for Steve, you know, one for everybody. 792 00:39:59,501 --> 00:40:02,875 In the States, we were into different kind of drugs. 793 00:40:05,918 --> 00:40:08,458 The hardest part was Billy's... 794 00:40:08,459 --> 00:40:11,541 you know, doing heroin and hanging out with Perri. 795 00:40:11,542 --> 00:40:13,875 The monster comes out... 796 00:40:13,876 --> 00:40:16,542 ...and it changes everything. 797 00:40:17,042 --> 00:40:20,082 The closeness that we had as best friends, 798 00:40:20,083 --> 00:40:21,416 we couldn't be that anymore. 799 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,208 It made us drift apart. 800 00:40:36,375 --> 00:40:39,249 It's easy to say it's the drugs. 801 00:40:39,250 --> 00:40:40,626 But what about if it's me? 802 00:40:41,042 --> 00:40:43,249 What about if it's really Billy who's doing this? 803 00:40:45,250 --> 00:40:47,791 I didn't know who Billy Idol was 804 00:40:47,792 --> 00:40:50,042 when we started Generation X or Chelsea. 805 00:40:51,250 --> 00:40:54,501 But by 1981, I know who Billy Idol is. 806 00:40:55,083 --> 00:40:56,792 Your music has changed, isn't it? 807 00:40:57,083 --> 00:40:58,958 You're not the same Generation X you were 808 00:40:58,959 --> 00:41:00,416 when you first broke in on the scene. 809 00:41:00,417 --> 00:41:02,458 Um... Don't know. I feel pretty much the same. 810 00:41:02,459 --> 00:41:03,999 Okay. That's quite interesting. 811 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,625 - It's kind of more you? - I think so, yeah. 812 00:41:05,626 --> 00:41:07,500 So what do you think it was in the beginning? 813 00:41:07,501 --> 00:41:09,958 I've got five years being in the public eye. 814 00:41:11,667 --> 00:41:13,458 It's five years being on television. 815 00:41:13,459 --> 00:41:15,458 51-1. 816 00:41:15,459 --> 00:41:17,209 It's five years honing your act. 817 00:41:19,834 --> 00:41:22,042 So now I know who Billy Idol is. 818 00:41:22,459 --> 00:41:25,708 And now I'm finding out where I wanna take him. 819 00:41:25,709 --> 00:41:27,791 What if, suddenly, you did take off 820 00:41:27,792 --> 00:41:29,833 and you were number one in America, 821 00:41:29,834 --> 00:41:31,333 you were number one in England? 822 00:41:31,334 --> 00:41:32,958 What would you do with the money, then? 823 00:41:32,959 --> 00:41:34,250 I'd spend it on drugs. 824 00:41:35,751 --> 00:41:38,458 The drugs just happened to come along with a time 825 00:41:38,459 --> 00:41:40,833 where Tony's kind of rule 826 00:41:40,834 --> 00:41:43,542 of Generation X was faltering, really. 827 00:41:44,167 --> 00:41:45,876 And now it's time to take over. 828 00:41:47,125 --> 00:41:49,501 I hijacked Generation X, really. 829 00:41:50,459 --> 00:41:53,208 That last Gen X album was really 830 00:41:53,209 --> 00:41:55,500 the first Billy Idol solo album, really. 831 00:41:57,167 --> 00:41:59,208 We kept "Dancing With Myself." 832 00:41:59,209 --> 00:42:00,750 We did the whole album. 833 00:42:00,751 --> 00:42:03,834 The album wasn't very successful. 834 00:42:04,375 --> 00:42:08,374 But "Dancing With Myself" hit in New York. 835 00:42:14,959 --> 00:42:16,208 This track was like 836 00:42:16,209 --> 00:42:17,958 this feature of New York clubs, 837 00:42:17,959 --> 00:42:20,208 so everywhere you went, no matter where you went, 838 00:42:20,209 --> 00:42:21,459 you heard that. 839 00:42:22,042 --> 00:42:24,584 I think, in some ways, it gave him a lot of hope. 840 00:42:27,584 --> 00:42:29,667 The record company said to me, um, 841 00:42:30,083 --> 00:42:31,667 "Mate, you can't have done it here." 842 00:42:32,042 --> 00:42:34,833 Things were faltering in England, you know. 843 00:42:34,834 --> 00:42:36,374 Punk rock was basically over. 844 00:42:36,375 --> 00:42:39,583 "Why don't you come to America? You know... 845 00:42:39,584 --> 00:42:41,374 Come to New York. You know, it's bankrupt. 846 00:42:41,375 --> 00:42:43,458 Anything goes." 847 00:42:43,459 --> 00:42:45,708 ♪ New York is just a great big stage ♪ 848 00:42:45,709 --> 00:42:47,208 ♪ Where everyone has a part to play ♪ 849 00:42:47,209 --> 00:42:49,166 ♪ You'll find everything you might need ♪ 850 00:42:49,167 --> 00:42:51,041 ♪ From one to ten From A to Z ♪ 851 00:42:51,042 --> 00:42:53,374 ♪ And from side to side From place to place ♪ 852 00:42:53,375 --> 00:42:55,249 ♪ New York is full of every race ♪ 853 00:42:58,709 --> 00:43:00,374 When I first came to New York, 854 00:43:00,375 --> 00:43:02,416 I had a mattress, some sheets, 855 00:43:02,417 --> 00:43:03,959 and my guitar. 856 00:43:04,792 --> 00:43:07,875 The record company had given me a certain amount of dollars 857 00:43:07,876 --> 00:43:10,750 and, uh, I'd pay the rent and buy pot and stuff, 858 00:43:10,751 --> 00:43:12,958 and a little bit of weak smack. 859 00:43:14,584 --> 00:43:16,458 And I'd go out to dance clubs. 860 00:43:23,667 --> 00:43:27,416 The New York underground club scene 861 00:43:27,417 --> 00:43:29,750 was pretty exclusive, 862 00:43:29,751 --> 00:43:31,625 so when Billy and I met, 863 00:43:31,626 --> 00:43:34,082 we could always get into the same clubs. 864 00:43:34,083 --> 00:43:38,626 And, man, we vibed so hard together as soon as we met. 865 00:43:40,584 --> 00:43:43,249 I was a real party animal. 866 00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:45,458 Be it on the coke or the booze 867 00:43:45,459 --> 00:43:46,750 or the what-have-you. 868 00:43:46,751 --> 00:43:49,166 We partied almost every night. 869 00:43:51,918 --> 00:43:55,124 I have to tell you about the day 870 00:43:55,125 --> 00:43:58,042 that I thought Billy Idol was the coolest dude in the world. 871 00:43:59,792 --> 00:44:01,209 We walk into the club. 872 00:44:02,250 --> 00:44:04,249 David Bowie was wearing a suit 873 00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:05,666 and he's in the back of the club 874 00:44:05,667 --> 00:44:08,125 sitting all by himself. 875 00:44:08,542 --> 00:44:10,667 And I never met him. 876 00:44:11,292 --> 00:44:14,625 Bowie was our symbol of sophistication 877 00:44:14,626 --> 00:44:16,791 and we were like... 878 00:44:16,792 --> 00:44:18,291 We were lit. I mean, come on. 879 00:44:18,292 --> 00:44:19,751 We were totally lit. 880 00:44:20,167 --> 00:44:21,333 And Billy went... 881 00:44:21,334 --> 00:44:22,583 ..."Bloody hell! 882 00:44:22,584 --> 00:44:24,333 That's David fucking Bowie!" 883 00:44:24,334 --> 00:44:27,082 And as he said "Bowie," 884 00:44:27,083 --> 00:44:28,125 he barfed. 885 00:44:28,417 --> 00:44:29,666 He went, 886 00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:32,833 "Bloody hell! That's David fucking Bowie!" 887 00:44:38,959 --> 00:44:40,250 And then he went, 888 00:44:40,667 --> 00:44:42,334 "Hello, mate." 889 00:44:43,584 --> 00:44:45,666 That was the night that changed my life 890 00:44:45,667 --> 00:44:48,626 because David and I, we became good friends. 891 00:44:50,375 --> 00:44:53,584 And I produced his record, Let's Dance. 892 00:44:55,167 --> 00:44:57,417 We all wanted to be David Bowie. 893 00:45:00,042 --> 00:45:01,500 Billy was out at the clubs 894 00:45:01,501 --> 00:45:04,250 and there was a little notoriety around him. 895 00:45:04,626 --> 00:45:06,374 People started to recognize who he was 896 00:45:06,375 --> 00:45:09,542 and he'd put no new music out here in America. 897 00:45:09,959 --> 00:45:12,666 So we wanted to get something out pretty quickly, 898 00:45:12,667 --> 00:45:14,082 so in '81, 899 00:45:14,083 --> 00:45:15,833 decided to put out a four-track EP. 900 00:45:15,834 --> 00:45:18,000 Just put together four songs. 901 00:45:18,584 --> 00:45:21,374 They presented him all these producers 902 00:45:21,375 --> 00:45:23,458 and he said, "I wanna go with Keith." 903 00:45:23,459 --> 00:45:26,416 Yeah. He covered my ass. 904 00:45:26,417 --> 00:45:28,416 It was really good. 905 00:45:28,417 --> 00:45:30,541 So I could see that "Dancing With Myself" 906 00:45:30,542 --> 00:45:32,917 is in all these clubs. 907 00:45:32,918 --> 00:45:34,541 How do I follow it up? 908 00:45:34,542 --> 00:45:36,334 I've just got to figure out 909 00:45:36,918 --> 00:45:38,708 something that Keith Forsey can produce. 910 00:45:38,709 --> 00:45:40,166 Now, Keith Forsey's a drummer. 911 00:45:41,751 --> 00:45:44,208 I gotta find something that's kind of a drum thing. 912 00:45:44,209 --> 00:45:47,041 What about an old '60s song, you know, some cover? 913 00:45:47,042 --> 00:45:51,042 ♪ Here she come now sayin', "Mony, Mony" ♪ 914 00:45:53,626 --> 00:45:56,501 We had "Mony Mony," "Dancing With Myself," 915 00:45:57,042 --> 00:45:58,249 "Baby Talk," 916 00:45:58,250 --> 00:46:00,291 a cover of a Gen X song, "Untouchables," 917 00:46:00,292 --> 00:46:01,291 which I had written. 918 00:46:01,292 --> 00:46:02,791 But it gave us the four tracks. 919 00:46:02,792 --> 00:46:04,249 ♪ ...love, and I feel all right ♪ 920 00:46:04,250 --> 00:46:06,082 We got something out, something released, 921 00:46:06,083 --> 00:46:07,750 and I felt like he was on a mission. 922 00:46:07,751 --> 00:46:09,333 He knew there was an audience 923 00:46:09,334 --> 00:46:10,791 that was ready for something new. 924 00:46:10,792 --> 00:46:13,249 - ♪ I said, yeah ♪ - ♪ Yeah ♪ 925 00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:14,875 - ♪ Yeah ♪ - ♪ Yeah ♪ 926 00:46:14,876 --> 00:46:17,666 - ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ - ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 927 00:46:17,667 --> 00:46:19,334 - ♪ Yeah ♪ - ♪ Yeah... ♪ 928 00:46:19,918 --> 00:46:22,291 Wasn't quite the same reaction as "Dancing With Myself," 929 00:46:22,292 --> 00:46:23,541 but it was a great follow-up 930 00:46:23,542 --> 00:46:25,750 and it kept me in the New Wave dance chart. 931 00:46:28,459 --> 00:46:31,083 So I had to get a band together quite quickly. 932 00:46:32,626 --> 00:46:33,708 I was in a band 933 00:46:33,709 --> 00:46:35,166 that was managed by Bill Aucoin. 934 00:46:35,167 --> 00:46:36,999 He said, "Do you know who Billy Idol is?" 935 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,166 And I said, "Oh, yeah. He's the Generation X guy." 936 00:46:39,167 --> 00:46:40,833 He said, "Well, he's moved to New York 937 00:46:40,834 --> 00:46:42,124 and we're managing him. 938 00:46:42,125 --> 00:46:43,292 You guys should meet." 939 00:46:43,751 --> 00:46:45,583 Steve is not so much the punk guy. 940 00:46:45,584 --> 00:46:48,166 He's the American... 941 00:46:48,167 --> 00:46:49,374 He's that guy. 942 00:46:49,375 --> 00:46:50,750 - ♪ Yeah ♪ - ♪ Yeah... ♪ 943 00:46:50,751 --> 00:46:52,917 I said, "Look, I may not be the guitar player for you, 944 00:46:52,918 --> 00:46:54,249 but just give me a shot, you know." 945 00:46:56,542 --> 00:47:03,166 ♪ Come on ♪ 946 00:47:03,167 --> 00:47:05,042 ♪ Come on, come on ♪ 947 00:47:05,626 --> 00:47:08,500 Bill Aucoin had come out of television originally 948 00:47:08,501 --> 00:47:11,500 and he told me very early on, like in 1980, 949 00:47:11,501 --> 00:47:13,708 that there was gonna be this new platform 950 00:47:13,709 --> 00:47:15,791 that was gonna be there for the new musics 951 00:47:15,792 --> 00:47:16,708 that were gonna happen 952 00:47:16,709 --> 00:47:18,541 and I'd be perfect for it. 953 00:47:24,501 --> 00:47:27,666 Welcome to MTV, Music Television, 954 00:47:27,667 --> 00:47:31,708 the world's first 24-hour stereo video music channel. 955 00:47:31,709 --> 00:47:34,542 You'll never look at music the same way again. 956 00:47:36,792 --> 00:47:38,166 One of the hottest things 957 00:47:38,167 --> 00:47:39,333 on television these days 958 00:47:39,334 --> 00:47:40,666 is a cable station 959 00:47:40,667 --> 00:47:42,333 that plays nothing but rock music. 960 00:47:42,334 --> 00:47:44,583 Music Television. MTV. 961 00:47:48,792 --> 00:47:51,291 MTV came around in August of '81. 962 00:47:51,292 --> 00:47:53,583 MTV, which is not in every city, 963 00:47:53,584 --> 00:47:55,500 claims an audience of ten million 964 00:47:55,501 --> 00:47:57,834 ranging in age from 12 to 35. 965 00:47:58,209 --> 00:48:00,500 All those people that now were tuned in to MTV 966 00:48:00,501 --> 00:48:02,124 were expecting something different. 967 00:48:02,125 --> 00:48:04,709 The video, you have all the visuals 968 00:48:05,125 --> 00:48:06,917 that just really stick in your mind. 969 00:48:06,918 --> 00:48:08,666 Especially artists I haven't liked before, 970 00:48:08,667 --> 00:48:10,166 if I see them on the videos sometimes, 971 00:48:10,167 --> 00:48:11,708 it turns me on to their music and what they do. 972 00:48:11,709 --> 00:48:13,416 I think there's this new visual music 973 00:48:13,417 --> 00:48:14,875 hitting now in the '80s, 974 00:48:14,876 --> 00:48:16,541 and I think MTV is ushering that in. 975 00:48:16,542 --> 00:48:19,041 You've got people that grew up with rock and roll 976 00:48:19,042 --> 00:48:20,666 and they grew up with a television set. 977 00:48:20,667 --> 00:48:23,626 And MTV is the first marriage of those two forms. 978 00:48:26,667 --> 00:48:28,374 It was kind of the future, really. 979 00:48:28,375 --> 00:48:30,583 This TV channel that was 24 hours 980 00:48:30,584 --> 00:48:33,750 needed content, and we were gonna provide it. 981 00:48:39,417 --> 00:48:42,375 Hey! 982 00:48:42,876 --> 00:48:44,124 - Oh, back at work. - Miss you, mate. 983 00:48:44,125 --> 00:48:46,125 Hello! Good to see you! 984 00:48:46,459 --> 00:48:50,209 In the studio, Billy's really a man of the moment. 985 00:48:50,626 --> 00:48:51,917 He's on or he's not. 986 00:48:51,918 --> 00:48:53,917 The magic's gonna be there or it's not. 987 00:48:53,918 --> 00:48:55,791 So we're in Westlake Audio. 988 00:48:55,792 --> 00:48:57,166 We're kind of beavering away, 989 00:48:57,167 --> 00:48:59,208 but, you know, we didn't-- it's not there. 990 00:48:59,209 --> 00:49:01,791 So I said, Bill, "We're gonna set you up in a studio." 991 00:49:01,792 --> 00:49:03,416 Right? So he goes in, sits down. 992 00:49:03,417 --> 00:49:06,124 We set him up, he's got play, stop, and start. 993 00:49:06,125 --> 00:49:08,666 Thing there, and you sat in there for, like, ten minutes. 994 00:49:08,667 --> 00:49:09,917 He comes out and says, "Teacher!" 995 00:49:09,918 --> 00:49:11,625 I've done my homework. 996 00:49:11,626 --> 00:49:13,082 Said, "Teacher!" 997 00:49:13,083 --> 00:49:14,374 I go in there and he's like... 998 00:49:14,375 --> 00:49:15,625 ♪ Hey, little sister ♪ 999 00:49:15,626 --> 00:49:17,083 It's like, "Fuck!" 1000 00:49:17,459 --> 00:49:21,333 ♪ Hey, little sister, what have you done? ♪ 1001 00:49:21,334 --> 00:49:22,666 - About 15 or 20 minutes... - Yeah! 1002 00:49:22,667 --> 00:49:25,833 ...or something and I'd somehow got the pieces. 1003 00:49:25,834 --> 00:49:27,333 - Oh, yeah. - I got the verse. 1004 00:49:27,334 --> 00:49:28,791 - I got the chorus. - Yeah. 1005 00:49:28,792 --> 00:49:29,625 I had the... 1006 00:49:30,918 --> 00:49:31,751 Yeah. 1007 00:49:33,125 --> 00:49:34,416 I had those pieces. 1008 00:49:34,417 --> 00:49:36,875 We kind of had the kernel of the song. 1009 00:49:40,918 --> 00:49:43,333 The first time I met Billy, there was a sort of a crisis 1010 00:49:43,334 --> 00:49:45,500 because there was this video called "White Wedding" 1011 00:49:45,501 --> 00:49:47,959 that had to be shot, like, tomorrow. 1012 00:49:48,334 --> 00:49:49,750 And Billy came running in and he said, 1013 00:49:49,751 --> 00:49:51,750 "I got this great idea to be the Invisible Man 1014 00:49:51,751 --> 00:49:53,791 and to take all these shrouds off." 1015 00:49:53,792 --> 00:49:56,583 And then I fired off that and somebody else fired off that. 1016 00:49:56,584 --> 00:49:58,208 Then we said we'd have this punk wedding 1017 00:49:58,209 --> 00:50:00,333 with a wedding ring which is made of barbed wire. 1018 00:50:00,334 --> 00:50:03,042 And then literally the next morning, we shot it. 1019 00:50:03,626 --> 00:50:07,375 ♪ Hey, little sister, what have you done? ♪ 1020 00:50:10,083 --> 00:50:14,083 ♪ Hey, little sister, who's the only one? ♪ 1021 00:50:16,751 --> 00:50:18,833 ♪ Hey, little sister, who's your... ♪ 1022 00:50:18,834 --> 00:50:22,625 "White Wedding" really was his breakthrough song in America. 1023 00:50:22,626 --> 00:50:23,791 ♪ ...only one ♪ 1024 00:50:23,792 --> 00:50:25,876 ♪ Hey, little sister, shotgun ♪ 1025 00:50:26,334 --> 00:50:30,375 ♪ It's a nice day to start again ♪ 1026 00:50:30,834 --> 00:50:33,082 This is what is currently doing very, very well. 1027 00:50:33,083 --> 00:50:35,875 ♪ It's a nice day for a white wedding ♪ 1028 00:50:35,876 --> 00:50:37,625 Congratulations on your album, 1029 00:50:37,626 --> 00:50:39,333 Billy Idol. Good name for an album. 1030 00:50:39,334 --> 00:50:41,833 Yeah, well, it's easy anyway, put it like that. 1031 00:50:41,834 --> 00:50:43,999 Everybody's all talkin' and talkin' and talkin' 1032 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,626 - about "White Wedding." - That's right. 1033 00:50:46,042 --> 00:50:50,082 ♪ Hey, little sister, who is it you're with? ♪ 1034 00:50:50,083 --> 00:50:53,416 People see "White Wedding" 'cause MTV starts. 1035 00:50:53,417 --> 00:50:55,708 Billy was one of the first people on it, really. 1036 00:50:55,709 --> 00:50:57,166 ♪ Hey, little sister... ♪ 1037 00:50:57,167 --> 00:50:59,082 They didn't have that much to play. 1038 00:50:59,083 --> 00:51:01,708 So when they said, "Your video is on heavy rotation," 1039 00:51:01,709 --> 00:51:02,917 they played it every half an hour 1040 00:51:02,918 --> 00:51:04,666 basically 'cause they didn't have much else. 1041 00:51:04,667 --> 00:51:09,666 ♪ ...start again, ow! ♪ 1042 00:51:09,667 --> 00:51:12,209 Billy Idol put MTV on the map. 1043 00:51:13,584 --> 00:51:16,208 That David Mallet "White Wedding" video 1044 00:51:16,209 --> 00:51:17,500 was a game-changer. 1045 00:51:17,501 --> 00:51:19,374 The visuals, it was the angst of punk rock 1046 00:51:19,375 --> 00:51:22,209 that we really didn't see in America before that. 1047 00:51:23,626 --> 00:51:26,333 We'd come by, we'd hang out by the studios. 1048 00:51:26,334 --> 00:51:27,750 We were a small business, 1049 00:51:27,751 --> 00:51:29,458 and we were grateful 1050 00:51:29,459 --> 00:51:31,249 that here's a guy who helped us 1051 00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:33,584 launch this network that could've very easily failed. 1052 00:51:34,083 --> 00:51:36,791 You have to be demented to take these videos 1053 00:51:36,792 --> 00:51:38,291 for more than one night. 1054 00:51:38,292 --> 00:51:40,333 Or you have to be a teenager. 1055 00:51:41,626 --> 00:51:42,876 ♪ Pick it up! ♪ 1056 00:51:43,417 --> 00:51:45,709 ♪ Take me back home, yeah ♪ 1057 00:51:46,042 --> 00:51:48,082 He understood the power of visuals. 1058 00:51:48,083 --> 00:51:49,708 It broke through via MTV 1059 00:51:49,709 --> 00:51:51,249 and it really moved into pop culture. 1060 00:51:51,250 --> 00:51:52,958 Video rock is fast becoming 1061 00:51:52,959 --> 00:51:55,082 the music industry's marketing miracle. 1062 00:51:55,083 --> 00:51:56,791 Some California record stores 1063 00:51:56,792 --> 00:51:59,416 are noticing sales up 10% to 20% 1064 00:51:59,417 --> 00:52:01,876 for albums by groups who appear on MTV. 1065 00:52:02,375 --> 00:52:05,625 But a good video can't make a bad song good. 1066 00:52:05,626 --> 00:52:07,833 A good video can make a good song great, 1067 00:52:07,834 --> 00:52:09,166 and that's what Billy had. 1068 00:52:09,167 --> 00:52:10,500 He made great music 1069 00:52:10,501 --> 00:52:12,917 and his videos just took them even higher. 1070 00:52:12,918 --> 00:52:14,750 And playback! 1071 00:52:18,292 --> 00:52:20,374 I wanted to get movie people 1072 00:52:20,375 --> 00:52:21,791 who've already done films 1073 00:52:21,792 --> 00:52:24,999 so you had somebody thinking widescreen almost. 1074 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,249 Even right from the start with "Dancing With Myself," 1075 00:52:29,250 --> 00:52:30,500 I got Tobe Hooper, 1076 00:52:30,501 --> 00:52:32,834 who'd done The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, 1077 00:52:33,250 --> 00:52:34,999 Jeff Stein, who'd done The Kids Are Alright, 1078 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,124 and David Mallet. 1079 00:52:39,459 --> 00:52:40,667 It was all imagery. 1080 00:52:41,834 --> 00:52:44,666 We could project how we wanted to look, 1081 00:52:44,667 --> 00:52:46,291 and be in control of it, really. 1082 00:52:52,083 --> 00:52:54,291 The great thing about New York City at that point 1083 00:52:54,292 --> 00:52:56,542 was that it seemed everybody went out to clubs. 1084 00:52:57,709 --> 00:53:00,541 So Billy, by going out and being visible, 1085 00:53:00,542 --> 00:53:02,999 we bumped into these MTV VJs. 1086 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,458 They saw the swagger, they saw the charisma. 1087 00:53:05,459 --> 00:53:06,792 They liked Billy. 1088 00:53:07,083 --> 00:53:08,291 We are here with Billy Idol. 1089 00:53:08,292 --> 00:53:10,124 Isn't tonight your birthday, Billy? 1090 00:53:10,125 --> 00:53:12,459 Oh, Christ. 1091 00:53:14,459 --> 00:53:15,958 I kind of thought that it was. 1092 00:53:15,959 --> 00:53:17,708 And just in the nick of time, 1093 00:53:17,709 --> 00:53:21,708 it's J.J. Jackson with a cake for you, 1094 00:53:21,709 --> 00:53:23,708 compliments of MTV. 1095 00:53:23,709 --> 00:53:25,333 Billy, how old are you tonight? 1096 00:53:25,334 --> 00:53:27,249 They were kind of rooting for him 1097 00:53:27,250 --> 00:53:28,999 because he had all the ingredients 1098 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,374 of being a massive star. 1099 00:53:39,501 --> 00:53:41,083 I know a lot of people, 1100 00:53:41,584 --> 00:53:43,541 they want rock and roll to be dead. 1101 00:53:43,542 --> 00:53:46,082 But, uh, rock is dead. 1102 00:53:46,083 --> 00:53:47,292 Long live rock, you know. 1103 00:53:47,751 --> 00:53:53,875 ♪ Last night, a little dancer came dancin' to my door ♪ 1104 00:53:53,876 --> 00:53:56,583 ♪ Last night, a little angel came pumpin'... ♪ 1105 00:53:56,584 --> 00:53:58,708 Ever since the rock anthem "Rebel Yell" 1106 00:53:58,709 --> 00:54:00,208 hit the airwaves late last fall, 1107 00:54:00,209 --> 00:54:02,208 kids everywhere have been lining up 1108 00:54:02,209 --> 00:54:03,918 to watch Billy Idol in action. 1109 00:54:04,334 --> 00:54:07,583 He was now playing nationwide in more cities. 1110 00:54:07,584 --> 00:54:10,584 MTV was starting to become available in more homes. 1111 00:54:11,417 --> 00:54:13,082 ♪ In the midnight hour ♪ 1112 00:54:13,083 --> 00:54:15,834 ♪ She cried, "More, more, more" ♪ 1113 00:54:17,209 --> 00:54:19,374 ♪ With a rebel yell ♪ 1114 00:54:19,375 --> 00:54:21,708 ♪ She cried, "More, more, more" ♪ 1115 00:54:21,709 --> 00:54:23,292 ♪ "More, more, more" ♪ 1116 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,417 The audience was starting to dress like Billy, 1117 00:54:26,792 --> 00:54:29,875 mimicking the fists and doing all this stuff. 1118 00:54:29,876 --> 00:54:31,291 We thought that was great. 1119 00:54:31,292 --> 00:54:32,792 ♪ ...sit and beg ♪ 1120 00:54:34,042 --> 00:54:36,458 You know, you get up in front of 15,000 people, 1121 00:54:36,459 --> 00:54:38,583 and the crash afterwards 1122 00:54:38,584 --> 00:54:39,958 is just horrendous. 1123 00:54:39,959 --> 00:54:41,918 We didn't know how to deal with that. 1124 00:54:42,292 --> 00:54:43,791 So we'd get on the bus 1125 00:54:43,792 --> 00:54:45,791 and, you know, continue to party, 1126 00:54:45,792 --> 00:54:47,374 drink and whatever else, 1127 00:54:47,375 --> 00:54:49,458 and check into the hotel, 1128 00:54:49,459 --> 00:54:52,791 get three or four hours' sleep and then the cycle continues. 1129 00:54:52,792 --> 00:54:53,958 ♪ In the midnight hour ♪ 1130 00:54:53,959 --> 00:54:56,959 ♪ She cried, "More, more, more" ♪ 1131 00:54:57,792 --> 00:55:00,124 ♪ With a rebel yell ♪ 1132 00:55:00,125 --> 00:55:03,999 ♪ "More, more, more" ♪ 1133 00:55:10,083 --> 00:55:12,292 Let's hear it for Billy Idol! 1134 00:55:12,667 --> 00:55:14,333 And Steve Stevens! 1135 00:55:31,417 --> 00:55:33,292 You get pretty burned out. 1136 00:55:33,667 --> 00:55:35,917 But I always backed off the heroin 1137 00:55:35,918 --> 00:55:38,333 and then drank on tour, you know. 1138 00:55:38,334 --> 00:55:40,041 I just drank a lot. 1139 00:55:40,042 --> 00:55:41,124 I just felt terrible. 1140 00:55:46,918 --> 00:55:49,500 ♪ Well, there's a change in pace ♪ 1141 00:55:49,501 --> 00:55:53,041 ♪ Of fantasy and taste... ♪ 1142 00:55:53,042 --> 00:55:55,374 Do you think people expect rock stars 1143 00:55:55,375 --> 00:55:57,500 to be outrageous still? 1144 00:55:57,501 --> 00:55:58,959 Yeah, I guess they do. 1145 00:55:59,375 --> 00:56:00,999 I'm only here for fun, really. 1146 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,250 I gotta have fun, you know? 1147 00:56:03,584 --> 00:56:06,166 We barely saw each other, you know, like once a week 1148 00:56:06,167 --> 00:56:08,291 for a while and then two months off. 1149 00:56:08,292 --> 00:56:09,666 And then a month together. 1150 00:56:09,667 --> 00:56:11,208 So it was very erratic, our relationship. 1151 00:56:11,209 --> 00:56:12,791 ♪ Back to back... ♪ 1152 00:56:12,792 --> 00:56:15,124 When you have that kind of mass adoration, 1153 00:56:15,125 --> 00:56:18,166 it would be very, very hard not to change. 1154 00:56:18,167 --> 00:56:19,292 Sing it. 1155 00:56:21,125 --> 00:56:25,583 ♪ Flesh, flesh for fantasy ♪ 1156 00:56:25,584 --> 00:56:27,249 There are literally women 1157 00:56:27,250 --> 00:56:29,374 throwing themselves in front of you. 1158 00:56:29,375 --> 00:56:30,750 Literally throwing themselves, 1159 00:56:30,751 --> 00:56:33,333 prostrate, on the ground, you know. 1160 00:56:33,334 --> 00:56:35,999 ♪ Flesh for fantasy ♪ 1161 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,583 Of course he wasn't faithful to me. 1162 00:56:37,584 --> 00:56:38,875 I wasn't faithful to him either. 1163 00:56:38,876 --> 00:56:41,374 But, you know, we got along, we got by. 1164 00:56:42,918 --> 00:56:44,333 She did say to me, 1165 00:56:44,334 --> 00:56:46,416 "Why do you have to be Mr. Rock and Roll..." 1166 00:56:46,417 --> 00:56:48,542 "...24 hours a day?" 1167 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,209 And it's a bit like, "Yeah, but that's the job." 1168 00:56:51,584 --> 00:56:53,291 You know, "I know what you're saying, love, 1169 00:56:53,292 --> 00:56:55,541 but the job is to be Billy Idol." 1170 00:56:55,542 --> 00:56:56,500 It's like... 1171 00:56:56,501 --> 00:56:57,750 Billy, how are you? 1172 00:56:57,751 --> 00:56:58,917 Alright, really. 1173 00:56:58,918 --> 00:57:01,082 - Um, Billy-- - Having a great time. 1174 00:57:01,083 --> 00:57:03,458 I've had some very heavy sex while I've been in Australia. 1175 00:57:06,626 --> 00:57:08,374 What you got coming up next? 1176 00:57:08,375 --> 00:57:09,791 Where's Billy Idol heading? 1177 00:57:09,792 --> 00:57:11,583 Uh, to the bank. 1178 00:57:14,876 --> 00:57:19,041 ♪ I'm all out of hope ♪ 1179 00:57:19,042 --> 00:57:21,667 ♪ One more bad break ♪ 1180 00:57:22,125 --> 00:57:25,416 ♪ Could bring a fall ♪ 1181 00:57:25,417 --> 00:57:26,708 That Rebel Yell record, 1182 00:57:26,709 --> 00:57:29,083 I think, produced four hits on it. 1183 00:57:29,542 --> 00:57:31,291 And not just in North America. 1184 00:57:31,292 --> 00:57:32,834 He broke through everywhere. 1185 00:57:33,709 --> 00:57:35,666 I know he had great joy in it 1186 00:57:35,667 --> 00:57:37,249 being successful in the UK 1187 00:57:37,250 --> 00:57:38,750 'cause I think that was his big point. 1188 00:57:38,751 --> 00:57:40,666 He wanted to prove that he was a valid 1189 00:57:40,667 --> 00:57:42,292 and an authentic musician. 1190 00:57:43,751 --> 00:57:46,501 ♪ Eyes without a face ♪ 1191 00:57:47,083 --> 00:57:49,208 Are you anxious to be taken seriously? 1192 00:57:49,209 --> 00:57:51,209 Well, I'm anxious, 1193 00:57:51,626 --> 00:57:54,500 at least, to feel that, yeah, that my songs are good 1194 00:57:54,501 --> 00:57:55,999 and they're exciting. 1195 00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,208 And that's why I'd like to be taken seriously, yeah. 1196 00:57:58,209 --> 00:58:00,875 ♪ Les yeux sans visage ♪ 1197 00:58:00,876 --> 00:58:02,249 ♪ Eyes without a face ♪ 1198 00:58:02,250 --> 00:58:05,124 For a guy like me, a composer, 1199 00:58:05,125 --> 00:58:08,333 Billy's songs are more interesting 1200 00:58:08,334 --> 00:58:11,917 than just the typical rock and roll songs. 1201 00:58:11,918 --> 00:58:14,124 It's sort of like the precursor 1202 00:58:14,125 --> 00:58:15,625 to Nirvana. 1203 00:58:18,667 --> 00:58:20,042 There's dynamics. 1204 00:58:20,459 --> 00:58:22,458 It's a totally different style, 1205 00:58:22,459 --> 00:58:27,166 but Billy's songs would have sections and interludes, 1206 00:58:27,167 --> 00:58:30,833 and I'm sure a lot of it had to do with Steve... 1207 00:58:33,334 --> 00:58:37,667 ...because they're really interesting guitar parts. 1208 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,917 Very different than a lot of formula songs 1209 00:58:42,918 --> 00:58:47,417 where you just, you know, like, thrash through the song. 1210 00:58:47,834 --> 00:58:50,333 ♪ Eyes without a face ♪ 1211 00:58:50,334 --> 00:58:51,875 ♪ Got no human grace ♪ 1212 00:58:51,876 --> 00:58:55,584 Billy Idol was... He was our Frank Sinatra. 1213 00:58:56,042 --> 00:58:58,249 He kinda had the whole thing, you know? 1214 00:58:58,250 --> 00:59:02,292 ♪ Eyes without a face ♪ 1215 00:59:09,584 --> 00:59:11,541 Obviously, there's a lot of stress 1216 00:59:11,542 --> 00:59:13,501 that comes along with success. 1217 00:59:14,417 --> 00:59:15,917 When I came to America, 1218 00:59:15,918 --> 00:59:17,250 my dad wrote to me. 1219 00:59:17,626 --> 00:59:20,708 He thought that taking drugs was all to do with me 1220 00:59:20,709 --> 00:59:22,458 combating stress. 1221 00:59:22,459 --> 00:59:24,249 He sent me these letters. 1222 00:59:27,792 --> 00:59:30,125 Or he sent them to Brigid a lot of times. 1223 00:59:30,918 --> 00:59:32,333 'Cause Brigid Waters, 1224 00:59:32,334 --> 00:59:34,751 she worked for Aucoin and Chrysalis at one point. 1225 00:59:36,375 --> 00:59:37,875 "Dear Brigid, 1226 00:59:37,876 --> 00:59:39,374 it has been quite a year for us all, 1227 00:59:39,375 --> 00:59:40,875 and without you, things would've been 1228 00:59:40,876 --> 00:59:41,959 much more difficult. 1229 00:59:43,334 --> 00:59:45,583 Billy is entitled to run his own life 1230 00:59:45,584 --> 00:59:47,458 exactly as he chooses. 1231 00:59:47,459 --> 00:59:48,875 His money is his own. 1232 00:59:48,876 --> 00:59:51,458 He can spend it, save it, squander it, 1233 00:59:51,459 --> 00:59:53,875 give it away, make silly deals, 1234 00:59:53,876 --> 00:59:55,209 be over-generous. 1235 00:59:56,918 --> 00:59:58,958 Joan and I think we have to hang in, 1236 00:59:58,959 --> 01:00:01,750 have to try to protect his finances 1237 01:00:01,751 --> 01:00:03,542 and hope he will allow that." 1238 01:00:15,626 --> 01:00:16,958 Please welcome Billy Idol. 1239 01:00:19,250 --> 01:00:21,791 But my dad just couldn't imagine, you know. 1240 01:00:21,792 --> 01:00:23,918 Nice to see you. Come on over here, sir. 1241 01:00:24,459 --> 01:00:27,375 'Cause I was traversing this unknown world. 1242 01:00:27,876 --> 01:00:30,999 I didn't go to somewhere where they teach you 1243 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,417 how to be on television. 1244 01:00:33,834 --> 01:00:36,667 It was all just off the top of your head. 1245 01:00:37,250 --> 01:00:38,833 Uh, you're interested in films? 1246 01:00:38,834 --> 01:00:41,459 I know you would like to be in a Star Trek movie. 1247 01:00:41,876 --> 01:00:43,999 I'd really like to do something tacky like that, 1248 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,626 yeah, you know. 1249 01:00:47,125 --> 01:00:49,583 I wouldn't mind being in something like that. 1250 01:00:49,584 --> 01:00:50,999 I mean, Tobe Hooper, 1251 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,208 he asked me to be in this film he's done called 1252 01:00:53,209 --> 01:00:54,333 Space Vampires. 1253 01:00:54,334 --> 01:00:55,625 - Uh-huh. - That would've been great 1254 01:00:55,626 --> 01:00:56,833 to have been in something like that. 1255 01:00:56,834 --> 01:00:58,167 Yeah. Yeah. 1256 01:00:58,584 --> 01:01:00,416 I'm sure-- I would think that you have 1257 01:01:00,417 --> 01:01:03,124 a really nice career ahead of you. 1258 01:01:03,125 --> 01:01:04,791 If you want to do films, that's great. 1259 01:01:04,792 --> 01:01:06,709 Did I see an actor there? 1260 01:01:07,876 --> 01:01:09,333 No, I didn't, but I didn't 1261 01:01:09,334 --> 01:01:10,833 because I wasn't looking for it. 1262 01:01:10,834 --> 01:01:12,666 And at that time, I wonder 1263 01:01:12,667 --> 01:01:14,458 whether he would've been disciplined enough 1264 01:01:14,459 --> 01:01:16,625 to be a real proper jobbing actor. 1265 01:01:26,167 --> 01:01:28,041 Only a few short years ago, 1266 01:01:28,042 --> 01:01:29,999 the release of a movie soundtrack album 1267 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,291 was received with indifference or audible groans. 1268 01:01:33,292 --> 01:01:35,374 Now the record industry is singing a different tune 1269 01:01:35,375 --> 01:01:38,875 as top-grossing movie musicals are spinning off albums 1270 01:01:38,876 --> 01:01:40,041 that sell long after 1271 01:01:40,042 --> 01:01:42,500 the conventional publicity campaign 1272 01:01:42,501 --> 01:01:43,626 for a movie is over. 1273 01:01:45,792 --> 01:01:47,708 Bill Aucoin had met Joel Silver. 1274 01:01:47,709 --> 01:01:49,875 I think Joel Silver had just done Streets of Fire 1275 01:01:49,876 --> 01:01:52,374 so he thought he could make a Billy Idol film. 1276 01:01:52,375 --> 01:01:55,917 Streets of Fire is an example of good marketing 1277 01:01:55,918 --> 01:01:57,208 over poor movie-making. 1278 01:01:57,209 --> 01:02:00,041 With bad reviews and negative word-of-mouth, 1279 01:02:00,042 --> 01:02:02,208 Streets of Fire should have disappeared 1280 01:02:02,209 --> 01:02:04,041 from the theaters long ago. 1281 01:02:04,042 --> 01:02:05,750 That it didn't is further proof 1282 01:02:05,751 --> 01:02:08,041 that any popsicle can survive 1283 01:02:08,042 --> 01:02:10,917 if its music is exposed on MTV 1284 01:02:10,918 --> 01:02:12,750 and on radio playlists. 1285 01:02:15,042 --> 01:02:17,249 Joel and I were friendly at the time, 1286 01:02:17,250 --> 01:02:19,666 and Joel's career was just starting. 1287 01:02:19,667 --> 01:02:22,750 He was getting well-known in all the studios 1288 01:02:22,751 --> 01:02:26,041 and he said we should do a movie with Billy. 1289 01:02:26,042 --> 01:02:27,584 He's perfect for it. 1290 01:02:35,125 --> 01:02:38,041 So we went out to LA to talk about making a film, 1291 01:02:38,042 --> 01:02:39,791 and on the plane ride out there, 1292 01:02:39,792 --> 01:02:42,125 I read this Nik Cohn book, King Death. 1293 01:02:43,876 --> 01:02:46,208 The character is actually, 1294 01:02:46,209 --> 01:02:48,459 he's performing death on television. 1295 01:02:49,792 --> 01:02:52,082 It's really an allegorical tale 1296 01:02:52,083 --> 01:02:54,791 of, like, Elvis, but he's an assassin. 1297 01:02:56,542 --> 01:02:58,667 Rock and roll assassin. 1298 01:02:59,125 --> 01:03:00,541 Where could that go wrong? 1299 01:03:00,542 --> 01:03:01,958 Remember, this is the mid-'80s. 1300 01:03:01,959 --> 01:03:04,041 I really didn't think it would fly at all 1301 01:03:04,042 --> 01:03:06,417 but, uh, Joel Silver loved it. 1302 01:03:06,792 --> 01:03:08,791 The potential in soundtrack sales 1303 01:03:08,792 --> 01:03:11,124 was first seen with Saturday Night Fever 1304 01:03:11,125 --> 01:03:14,459 at 15 million and then Grease at 11 million. 1305 01:03:16,083 --> 01:03:18,416 Nik Cohn had written Saturday Night Fever. 1306 01:03:18,417 --> 01:03:20,458 He had that. When you mention his name, 1307 01:03:20,459 --> 01:03:21,958 and just mention Saturday Night Fever, 1308 01:03:21,959 --> 01:03:24,209 he had all that kind of behind him. 1309 01:03:26,959 --> 01:03:29,958 Joel Silver has a series of meetings lined up 1310 01:03:29,959 --> 01:03:31,374 with the heads of each studio. 1311 01:03:31,375 --> 01:03:34,041 And Billy comes in in full Billy regalia. 1312 01:03:34,042 --> 01:03:37,958 We sit there with the big guy at 20th Century Fox. 1313 01:03:37,959 --> 01:03:39,333 And Billy is just, 1314 01:03:39,334 --> 01:03:40,917 "Yeah, it's this allegorical tale." 1315 01:03:40,918 --> 01:03:44,375 It's the same rap that we worked out on the plane. 1316 01:03:45,918 --> 01:03:48,291 As we're leaving 20th Century, 1317 01:03:48,292 --> 01:03:50,167 they're offering a development deal. 1318 01:03:50,501 --> 01:03:52,708 And as we're going into our next meeting, 1319 01:03:52,709 --> 01:03:54,249 I think it was at Universal, 1320 01:03:54,250 --> 01:03:56,374 they're on the phone when Joel gets there, 1321 01:03:56,375 --> 01:03:57,500 saying, "Look, we might be able 1322 01:03:57,501 --> 01:03:58,999 to do more than a development deal." 1323 01:04:02,417 --> 01:04:04,333 The more we went around these film companies, 1324 01:04:04,334 --> 01:04:07,417 the next place we got to, there was already a deal. 1325 01:04:08,792 --> 01:04:12,124 We go in and do the same exact pitch to Universal, 1326 01:04:12,125 --> 01:04:15,417 and they go, "Yup. We'll give you ten million. 1327 01:04:16,167 --> 01:04:17,333 Right there. 1328 01:04:17,334 --> 01:04:19,166 And we'll work out something 1329 01:04:19,167 --> 01:04:21,291 on the soundtrack with Chrysalis." 1330 01:04:21,292 --> 01:04:23,082 Never have acted in my life. 1331 01:04:23,083 --> 01:04:25,958 But I'm getting money for a film and stuff. 1332 01:04:25,959 --> 01:04:27,708 I've probably got more control 1333 01:04:27,709 --> 01:04:29,459 than most actors have. 1334 01:04:29,834 --> 01:04:31,999 Which is ridiculous. Ridiculous. 1335 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,875 Yet that's what I got. 1336 01:04:33,876 --> 01:04:36,042 So I'm gonna take it. 1337 01:04:37,626 --> 01:04:39,999 King Death took Billy out to LA 1338 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,417 for I don't know how many months. 1339 01:04:41,751 --> 01:04:43,875 You couldn't get him on the phone 1340 01:04:43,876 --> 01:04:46,333 and yet there was an album that was to be delivered 1341 01:04:46,334 --> 01:04:49,208 and was great expectations behind it. 1342 01:04:53,709 --> 01:04:54,999 About halfway through 1343 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,875 trying to do the King Death movie, 1344 01:04:56,876 --> 01:04:59,209 Bill Aucoin started smoking crack. 1345 01:05:00,709 --> 01:05:03,917 He took the movie idea away from Joel Silver 1346 01:05:03,918 --> 01:05:07,250 and started to try and do it as an independent movie. 1347 01:05:07,709 --> 01:05:09,375 So basically it never got made. 1348 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,334 Joel Silver said, "You'll never work in this town again!" 1349 01:05:14,918 --> 01:05:16,500 Exact... I swear. 1350 01:05:16,501 --> 01:05:19,208 Used that exact trite Hollywood phrase 1351 01:05:19,209 --> 01:05:20,750 when the whole thing went down. 1352 01:05:24,918 --> 01:05:27,459 Bill just kind of lost his way. 1353 01:05:28,209 --> 01:05:32,458 You know, and it's no secret that Bill liked to party. 1354 01:05:32,459 --> 01:05:33,791 And, um... 1355 01:05:33,792 --> 01:05:36,500 And, you know, Billy and I used to always say, 1356 01:05:36,501 --> 01:05:38,416 "Yeah, but we're the ones that are supposed-- 1357 01:05:38,417 --> 01:05:40,625 We can't be responsible for the manager. 1358 01:05:40,626 --> 01:05:42,208 You know? We're the ones that are supposed 1359 01:05:42,209 --> 01:05:43,292 to be getting fucked up." 1360 01:05:44,918 --> 01:05:46,750 I don't know if it's something about him 1361 01:05:46,751 --> 01:05:49,918 fucking up that movie and it not working, 1362 01:05:50,417 --> 01:05:52,625 but after that, Bill Aucoin disappeared 1363 01:05:52,626 --> 01:05:54,083 from my life basically. 1364 01:05:56,959 --> 01:05:59,918 So Billy eventually came back to New York, 1365 01:06:00,292 --> 01:06:03,416 but I could tell that the drugs had really... 1366 01:06:03,417 --> 01:06:06,667 it made it difficult for him to function. 1367 01:06:07,292 --> 01:06:09,333 Yeah, I was getting pretty fucked up. 1368 01:06:09,334 --> 01:06:12,209 And it was getting more obvious. 1369 01:06:12,667 --> 01:06:14,583 I was then informed by his attorney 1370 01:06:14,584 --> 01:06:17,166 that Freddy DeMann, who was Madonna's manager, 1371 01:06:17,167 --> 01:06:18,417 was gonna be taking over. 1372 01:06:19,626 --> 01:06:20,958 I was kind of perplexed 1373 01:06:20,959 --> 01:06:24,333 because I was more of a pop guy at that time. 1374 01:06:24,334 --> 01:06:27,374 I managed Michael Jackson, Madonna. 1375 01:06:27,375 --> 01:06:30,958 And I know that Billy had severe drug problems 1376 01:06:30,959 --> 01:06:34,166 and that's probably why I was called in. 1377 01:06:34,167 --> 01:06:38,249 I think the drugs really put that thing 1378 01:06:38,250 --> 01:06:40,292 into the mix that you don't need. 1379 01:06:40,709 --> 01:06:42,291 It just makes life hell. 1380 01:06:44,250 --> 01:06:46,541 You know, sometimes Billy would become a demon. 1381 01:06:46,542 --> 01:06:48,833 He would just lash out at anybody. 1382 01:06:50,667 --> 01:06:52,041 He turned into... 1383 01:06:52,042 --> 01:06:53,167 Zuul! 1384 01:06:54,167 --> 01:06:55,833 ...what we called Zuul. 1385 01:06:55,834 --> 01:06:58,082 I think that's the monster in Ghostbusters. 1386 01:06:58,083 --> 01:06:59,625 Does anybody want to play Parcheesi? 1387 01:07:01,626 --> 01:07:03,082 It's some kind of demon. 1388 01:07:03,083 --> 01:07:04,541 Okay, who brought the dog? 1389 01:07:07,667 --> 01:07:10,750 And he would eventually slide down to the ground 1390 01:07:10,751 --> 01:07:13,041 and end up in a corner and we'd just leave him. 1391 01:07:13,042 --> 01:07:14,541 And then he'd be going... 1392 01:07:14,542 --> 01:07:15,999 ..."Pick me up." 1393 01:07:19,125 --> 01:07:20,583 To anybody that walked past... 1394 01:07:20,584 --> 01:07:22,374 ..."Oi! Pick me up." 1395 01:07:22,375 --> 01:07:23,999 Nobody would pick him up, 1396 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,583 because we didn't want him around us. 1397 01:07:25,584 --> 01:07:27,625 He was in his demon mode. 1398 01:07:34,375 --> 01:07:38,000 I actually caught Billy in a hotel once with two girls. 1399 01:07:38,501 --> 01:07:41,541 I knocked on the room and said, "Room service." 1400 01:07:41,542 --> 01:07:43,999 He opened the door and there's two naked girls behind him. 1401 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,249 He was so furious that he got caught. 1402 01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:48,958 Slammed the door in my face, called security on me. 1403 01:07:48,959 --> 01:07:51,249 They escorted me out of the hotel. 1404 01:07:51,250 --> 01:07:53,041 And when I got back to our apartment, 1405 01:07:53,042 --> 01:07:57,249 Brendan was there with a guy changing the locks on me. 1406 01:07:57,250 --> 01:07:58,583 I said, "Wait a minute. 1407 01:07:58,584 --> 01:08:00,666 I'm the one that caught him with two birds, 1408 01:08:00,667 --> 01:08:02,708 not he didn't catch me with two guys, 1409 01:08:02,709 --> 01:08:04,583 and you're changing the locks on me? 1410 01:08:04,584 --> 01:08:05,666 How dare you!" 1411 01:08:05,667 --> 01:08:08,459 I was so furious. 1412 01:08:09,751 --> 01:08:11,208 I could never see anything wrong 1413 01:08:11,209 --> 01:08:12,875 in hanging out all night long with people. 1414 01:08:12,876 --> 01:08:15,249 I could just-- and listening to music in dance clubs, 1415 01:08:15,250 --> 01:08:16,209 rock clubs. 1416 01:08:16,626 --> 01:08:19,124 Uh... I go to the pictures, I have sex with people. 1417 01:08:19,125 --> 01:08:21,209 I don't see what's wrong with being a social person. 1418 01:08:23,209 --> 01:08:27,625 And then the worst thing that could possibly happen, 1419 01:08:27,626 --> 01:08:30,792 his drug dealer moved into the apartment next door. 1420 01:08:31,375 --> 01:08:33,708 So he didn't even have to go anywhere. 1421 01:08:33,709 --> 01:08:35,416 He would just bang on the wall 1422 01:08:35,417 --> 01:08:37,082 and the guy just came in and brought it. 1423 01:08:37,083 --> 01:08:39,417 I mean, you know, talk about death. 1424 01:08:39,959 --> 01:08:43,166 So he was cooking up coke in sauce pans. 1425 01:08:43,167 --> 01:08:45,458 It was exploding all over the place. 1426 01:08:45,459 --> 01:08:46,750 He was spending a fortune 1427 01:08:46,751 --> 01:08:49,041 and the management just kept on giving him money. 1428 01:08:49,042 --> 01:08:50,667 And I thought, "Nobody cares." 1429 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,625 I thought, "This is not gonna get any better. 1430 01:08:55,626 --> 01:08:56,876 I've got to go now." 1431 01:08:57,250 --> 01:08:59,459 While I'm still young enough. 1432 01:09:04,959 --> 01:09:06,750 I remember going to the studio, 1433 01:09:06,751 --> 01:09:08,918 and Billy, he'd never be there. 1434 01:09:09,417 --> 01:09:11,625 And I was finding it more and more difficult 1435 01:09:11,626 --> 01:09:13,083 to get hold of him. 1436 01:09:13,667 --> 01:09:17,042 Sometimes Billy and I, we got crazy. 1437 01:09:17,542 --> 01:09:19,625 I'm supposed to be the producer and the guy in charge 1438 01:09:19,626 --> 01:09:21,791 and I kind of went down the road with him a bit. 1439 01:09:21,792 --> 01:09:25,375 And, uh, I lost the reins a couple of times. 1440 01:09:28,834 --> 01:09:30,833 One day, I went down to try and get hold of him. 1441 01:09:30,834 --> 01:09:33,500 This is after now a few weeks where I hadn't seen him, 1442 01:09:33,501 --> 01:09:34,584 hadn't heard from him. 1443 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,709 And, um, I had a key to his place. 1444 01:09:40,292 --> 01:09:42,751 So I remember going into his apartment. 1445 01:09:43,375 --> 01:09:45,374 There was a New York sort of local paper 1446 01:09:45,375 --> 01:09:46,958 called The Soho Weekly. 1447 01:09:46,959 --> 01:09:49,124 And I remember it was opened up at the back 1448 01:09:49,125 --> 01:09:51,209 where there was like escorts, you know... 1449 01:09:51,626 --> 01:09:54,917 and there was one big phone number that was very obvious, 1450 01:09:54,918 --> 01:09:56,833 so I remember I called that number, 1451 01:09:56,834 --> 01:10:00,083 it was the Parker Meridien, which was a hotel up Midtown. 1452 01:10:00,542 --> 01:10:02,458 So I said, "Is William Broad there?" 1453 01:10:02,459 --> 01:10:03,999 And that was obviously his real name. 1454 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,041 And they said, "Yes, sir. Putting you right through." 1455 01:10:06,042 --> 01:10:07,709 I thought, "Alright. I know where he is." 1456 01:10:11,167 --> 01:10:13,082 What I was trying to do, 1457 01:10:13,083 --> 01:10:14,791 I was trying to get off heroin. 1458 01:10:19,792 --> 01:10:23,918 And, um, it was only when I really tried to give up heroin 1459 01:10:24,334 --> 01:10:26,166 that I did start to smoke crack. 1460 01:10:28,083 --> 01:10:31,249 And, um, yeah, it was a nightmare, really. 1461 01:10:31,250 --> 01:10:32,626 I mean, it was horrible 1462 01:10:33,125 --> 01:10:35,000 'cause I was seeing and hearing things. 1463 01:10:41,667 --> 01:10:43,917 Like people in the next room talking about me 1464 01:10:43,918 --> 01:10:45,249 or above me. 1465 01:10:48,501 --> 01:10:50,041 So I actually called up this friend of mine, 1466 01:10:50,042 --> 01:10:52,082 said, "Man, there's all these voices next door. 1467 01:10:52,083 --> 01:10:53,375 Would you come around?" 1468 01:10:57,083 --> 01:10:58,917 I open the door to him, you know. 1469 01:10:58,918 --> 01:11:01,000 Went, "Come on, man. Let's do a fucking hit." 1470 01:11:04,876 --> 01:11:07,082 And I was going, "I'm hearing all this stuff 1471 01:11:07,083 --> 01:11:08,750 and seeing all these things." 1472 01:11:08,751 --> 01:11:10,124 And as we were talking, 1473 01:11:10,125 --> 01:11:11,626 I was kinda going... 1474 01:11:12,125 --> 01:11:14,917 "Hey, man, can you see that shadow underneath the door?" 1475 01:11:14,918 --> 01:11:17,124 And he went... 1476 01:11:17,125 --> 01:11:18,250 ..."Yeah, I can see it." 1477 01:11:18,792 --> 01:11:21,750 "Fuck, there's gotta be someone standing outside the door." 1478 01:11:23,292 --> 01:11:25,626 He went, "There can't be anybody there." 1479 01:11:26,125 --> 01:11:27,667 So I said, "Come on. 1480 01:11:28,042 --> 01:11:29,791 Let's tip-toe towards the door 1481 01:11:29,792 --> 01:11:31,083 and fucking pull it open." 1482 01:11:31,459 --> 01:11:33,249 So we got to the front door and... 1483 01:11:37,751 --> 01:11:39,166 Pulls open the door, 1484 01:11:39,167 --> 01:11:40,791 and fuck me stiff if there wasn't a bloke 1485 01:11:40,792 --> 01:11:43,124 six foot fucking tall standing with a beard 1486 01:11:43,125 --> 01:11:44,291 kinda going like that. 1487 01:11:44,292 --> 01:11:45,500 You know what I mean? 1488 01:11:45,501 --> 01:11:47,333 And I went, slammed the door and I went, 1489 01:11:47,334 --> 01:11:48,583 "Fuck! Don't ever tell me 1490 01:11:48,584 --> 01:11:50,249 there isn't fucking someone out there 1491 01:11:50,250 --> 01:11:52,416 fucking listening to what we're doing! 1492 01:11:52,417 --> 01:11:53,666 That's it! Give me the stuff!" 1493 01:11:53,667 --> 01:11:55,833 "I'm not stopping!" 1494 01:11:59,334 --> 01:12:01,625 So the next day, 1495 01:12:01,626 --> 01:12:03,291 I went up to the hotel 1496 01:12:03,292 --> 01:12:05,667 and I went up to the room and I knocked on the door. 1497 01:12:06,042 --> 01:12:08,709 And he was really surprised to see me. 1498 01:12:09,292 --> 01:12:11,917 He looked like a guy who hadn't slept in weeks. 1499 01:12:13,918 --> 01:12:15,249 He said, "Listen!" 1500 01:12:15,250 --> 01:12:17,250 And he had me listen to the wall. 1501 01:12:17,834 --> 01:12:19,583 And I guess he was hearing things 1502 01:12:19,584 --> 01:12:23,042 and I remember thinking, "This guy is off his rocker." 1503 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:26,333 Shortly after that, 1504 01:12:26,334 --> 01:12:28,291 we convinced him that he needed to go 1505 01:12:28,292 --> 01:12:30,541 into Beth Israel Hospital. 1506 01:12:30,542 --> 01:12:32,751 It was basically a detox. 1507 01:12:33,167 --> 01:12:35,999 And essentially, for like three or four days, 1508 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:37,541 he just slept. 1509 01:12:37,542 --> 01:12:39,166 I remember going in there every day 1510 01:12:39,167 --> 01:12:40,541 just to check in on him. 1511 01:12:40,542 --> 01:12:42,124 He was never awake when I was there. 1512 01:12:42,125 --> 01:12:44,249 But as long as he was there, I felt like 1513 01:12:44,250 --> 01:12:45,501 at least he wasn't in any trouble. 1514 01:12:47,459 --> 01:12:49,208 And then I remember going in there, 1515 01:12:49,209 --> 01:12:51,542 I think it was the fourth or fifth day, 1516 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,458 as I got off the elevator, 1517 01:12:53,459 --> 01:12:54,666 as soon as that door opened, 1518 01:12:54,667 --> 01:12:56,167 he came straight in. 1519 01:12:56,501 --> 01:12:59,209 So I didn't recognize who he was. 1520 01:12:59,542 --> 01:13:02,041 But as the doors closed on the elevator, 1521 01:13:02,042 --> 01:13:03,667 I realized it was him. 1522 01:13:07,083 --> 01:13:09,124 So I'd had a bit of a... 1523 01:13:09,125 --> 01:13:10,917 basically a psychotic break. 1524 01:13:10,918 --> 01:13:12,041 They put me in hospital. 1525 01:13:12,042 --> 01:13:13,583 Once, after a few days, 1526 01:13:13,584 --> 01:13:16,583 you started to be normal, you just said to yourself, 1527 01:13:16,584 --> 01:13:18,417 "I was just doing a bit too much." 1528 01:13:19,042 --> 01:13:20,250 And so I... 1529 01:13:20,792 --> 01:13:24,209 And I went and ran for it. 1530 01:13:28,125 --> 01:13:31,375 Someone in that hospital knew Billy's mother... 1531 01:13:33,209 --> 01:13:35,082 ...and had put a call in to the Broad household, 1532 01:13:35,083 --> 01:13:36,501 his parents in London. 1533 01:13:39,918 --> 01:13:41,541 That's really where, um, 1534 01:13:41,542 --> 01:13:44,959 his parents caught wind that he was in trouble. 1535 01:13:47,417 --> 01:13:49,750 And his dad called at four in the morning, 1536 01:13:49,751 --> 01:13:52,500 and he said, "I'm flying out today. 1537 01:13:52,501 --> 01:13:54,250 I'll see you later on tonight." 1538 01:14:00,501 --> 01:14:02,124 Dad came to New York 1539 01:14:02,125 --> 01:14:04,041 in the last stages of the Whiplash Smile album. 1540 01:14:04,042 --> 01:14:06,959 He came off the plane with a big stick, you know. 1541 01:14:07,584 --> 01:14:09,750 And I said, "Hello, Dad. Why have you brought that?" 1542 01:14:09,751 --> 01:14:12,166 He said, "I'm gonna beat you with it." 1543 01:14:13,959 --> 01:14:16,124 'Cause he was here to, you know... 1544 01:14:17,667 --> 01:14:19,834 ...take command of everything. I don't know. 1545 01:14:23,042 --> 01:14:25,083 I needed him to come, really. 1546 01:14:25,501 --> 01:14:29,083 And sort of, you know, maybe wake me up a little bit. 1547 01:14:30,250 --> 01:14:33,209 'Cause I did need somebody to... 1548 01:14:33,667 --> 01:14:35,291 to show they cared, you know. 1549 01:14:35,292 --> 01:14:38,000 More than just about what record I was putting out. 1550 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,417 But there's a big part of me fighting it as well, you know. 1551 01:14:45,042 --> 01:14:46,917 The William Broad part of me 1552 01:14:46,918 --> 01:14:49,000 probably wanted him to come. 1553 01:14:49,334 --> 01:14:51,166 The Billy Idol part of me 1554 01:14:51,167 --> 01:14:53,083 probably didn't want him to come. 1555 01:14:57,876 --> 01:15:00,500 Mr. Broad was in New York for three weeks, 1556 01:15:00,501 --> 01:15:03,459 and in that three weeks, Billy straightened up. 1557 01:15:04,501 --> 01:15:06,333 I think while his father was here, 1558 01:15:06,334 --> 01:15:07,541 I think he stopped doing 1559 01:15:07,542 --> 01:15:09,500 the amount of drugs he was doing. 1560 01:15:09,501 --> 01:15:11,875 I'm not gonna say that he stopped completely. 1561 01:15:11,876 --> 01:15:14,876 I think he tried to put a good facade on it. 1562 01:15:15,751 --> 01:15:18,875 I think being around his son, Mr. Broad started to realize 1563 01:15:18,876 --> 01:15:22,292 that things were happening that he had no idea. 1564 01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:28,208 My dad is really the reason 1565 01:15:28,209 --> 01:15:30,125 I'm in New York in the first place. 1566 01:15:31,542 --> 01:15:34,667 In fact, my first memories are really of America. 1567 01:15:35,626 --> 01:15:37,291 When I was a little kid, 1568 01:15:37,292 --> 01:15:40,125 my dad had got a job as a sales manager of a laundry. 1569 01:15:40,542 --> 01:15:42,999 They serviced hotels and everything. 1570 01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,374 It was quite a big deal. 1571 01:15:44,375 --> 01:15:47,541 So we moved to Patchogue, Long Island. 1572 01:15:50,083 --> 01:15:52,375 I was tiny. I was three or four. 1573 01:15:53,584 --> 01:15:55,417 I was that little and I remember 1574 01:15:56,334 --> 01:15:57,999 being knocked out, you know. 1575 01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,375 Because America's booming, everything's technicolor. 1576 01:16:02,250 --> 01:16:03,875 It's like Walt Disney a bit, you know. 1577 01:16:03,876 --> 01:16:06,292 Like the cars with the fins. 1578 01:16:10,876 --> 01:16:12,958 I saw the young Elvis. 1579 01:16:12,959 --> 01:16:15,291 They showed his television performances. 1580 01:16:15,292 --> 01:16:17,709 And that was it. I went, "Wow." 1581 01:16:19,042 --> 01:16:22,208 I mean, the thing was, I was born in 1955, 1582 01:16:22,209 --> 01:16:24,958 and really, Elvis made his first record in '54. 1583 01:16:24,959 --> 01:16:27,792 So you're kind of growing up with rock and roll. 1584 01:16:42,042 --> 01:16:44,249 Another big thing that was happening in America 1585 01:16:44,250 --> 01:16:45,876 when I was there was Kennedy. 1586 01:16:46,918 --> 01:16:48,750 He was on the campaign trail. 1587 01:16:48,751 --> 01:16:51,167 My mother followed him. My mom and dad. 1588 01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:53,291 We went and stood at these crossroads 1589 01:16:53,292 --> 01:16:55,626 and he came by and he actually waved at us. 1590 01:16:56,167 --> 01:16:58,082 Kennedy showed you the man with charisma 1591 01:16:58,083 --> 01:16:59,292 could rule the world. 1592 01:17:23,792 --> 01:17:26,333 When Mr. Broad was in New York, 1593 01:17:26,334 --> 01:17:28,291 he sat down with me and said, 1594 01:17:28,292 --> 01:17:31,166 "Brendan, you're no longer gonna be involved 1595 01:17:31,167 --> 01:17:32,458 in Billy's management." 1596 01:17:35,209 --> 01:17:36,501 "From what I understand... 1597 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:39,501 you're his drug dealer." 1598 01:17:41,834 --> 01:17:44,666 That was, to me, a little bit of a betrayal. 1599 01:17:44,667 --> 01:17:47,792 All I'd ever done was help him in any way I could. 1600 01:17:49,459 --> 01:17:51,918 They didn't want me involved going forward. 1601 01:17:52,042 --> 01:17:54,541 So I was paid a little bit of money 1602 01:17:54,542 --> 01:17:56,875 to go away, and I signed this agreement 1603 01:17:56,876 --> 01:17:58,374 that I wouldn't go to the press 1604 01:17:58,375 --> 01:17:59,875 or, you know, tell stories. 1605 01:17:59,876 --> 01:18:02,666 And to this day, I've held my side of the bargain. 1606 01:18:02,667 --> 01:18:05,041 This is the first time I've spoken anything about this 1607 01:18:05,042 --> 01:18:06,459 since like 1986. 1608 01:18:08,667 --> 01:18:11,791 My dad believed everybody was a drug dealer. 1609 01:18:13,042 --> 01:18:15,333 So-- 'cause he got involved in my business 1610 01:18:15,334 --> 01:18:17,124 and everything, which was great, actually. 1611 01:18:17,125 --> 01:18:18,333 That was the fun part of it, 1612 01:18:18,334 --> 01:18:19,625 'cause he's frightening all these 1613 01:18:19,626 --> 01:18:21,000 business people to death. 1614 01:18:23,459 --> 01:18:28,417 His father was a very, very difficult guy. 1615 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,334 And I realized that that contributed to Billy's... 1616 01:18:34,459 --> 01:18:36,083 instability, let's say. 1617 01:18:37,584 --> 01:18:39,875 I had to kind of put a little break 1618 01:18:39,876 --> 01:18:41,082 on what I was doing, 1619 01:18:41,083 --> 01:18:43,417 enough to where I was surviving. 1620 01:18:44,375 --> 01:18:45,918 And then carrying on. 1621 01:18:46,417 --> 01:18:48,333 You know, so my dad helped me 1622 01:18:48,334 --> 01:18:50,459 and I was able to carry on, you know. 1623 01:18:51,876 --> 01:18:54,541 It is a long time since we heard something new from you. 1624 01:18:54,542 --> 01:18:56,875 Why has it taken so long for Whiplash to come out? 1625 01:18:56,876 --> 01:18:58,917 I think... it's 1986, 1626 01:18:58,918 --> 01:19:00,999 we've had, what, 30 years of rock and roll. 1627 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,208 I think if you want to make a great album these days, 1628 01:19:03,209 --> 01:19:04,750 you gotta take time to do it. 1629 01:19:04,751 --> 01:19:07,708 You were supposedly, according to the press reports, 1630 01:19:07,709 --> 01:19:10,876 dead through drugs or dying through AIDS. 1631 01:19:11,334 --> 01:19:13,208 Yeah, that's right. A-Y-D-S. 1632 01:19:13,209 --> 01:19:15,042 Another year of dodgy sex. 1633 01:19:16,167 --> 01:19:17,458 I disappeared for a while 1634 01:19:17,459 --> 01:19:19,208 because I wanted to make a good album. 1635 01:19:19,209 --> 01:19:21,583 And in the States, sometimes people think 1636 01:19:21,584 --> 01:19:22,708 that means you're dead. 1637 01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:24,792 But I'm very much alive and kicking. 1638 01:19:27,167 --> 01:19:30,791 Billy Idol's new album Whiplash Smile is here. 1639 01:19:30,792 --> 01:19:32,208 And it's hot. 1640 01:19:32,209 --> 01:19:33,500 ♪ Forgot to be a lover ♪ 1641 01:19:33,501 --> 01:19:34,500 ♪ Have mercy ♪ 1642 01:19:34,501 --> 01:19:36,291 ♪ Forgot to be a lover ♪ 1643 01:19:41,584 --> 01:19:44,583 ..."To Be A Lover." Here's Billy Idol! 1644 01:19:44,584 --> 01:19:46,166 ♪ Well... ♪ 1645 01:19:46,167 --> 01:19:48,999 ♪ When I realize that you need love too ♪ 1646 01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,541 ♪ I'm gonna spend my life making love to you ♪ 1647 01:19:51,542 --> 01:19:53,082 ♪ Forgot to be a lover ♪ 1648 01:19:56,334 --> 01:19:59,791 The Whiplash Smile Tour was a massive success. 1649 01:20:02,834 --> 01:20:05,374 We played places like the Forum 1650 01:20:05,375 --> 01:20:06,999 and Madison Square Garden. 1651 01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,082 Oh! 1652 01:20:08,083 --> 01:20:09,625 ♪ Wop bop a lu bop ♪ 1653 01:20:09,626 --> 01:20:11,333 ♪ Yeah, you gotta move up ♪ 1654 01:20:11,334 --> 01:20:14,208 ♪ Flip flop fly ♪ 1655 01:20:14,209 --> 01:20:16,666 Everything just went more mega, that's what happened. 1656 01:20:16,667 --> 01:20:20,792 ♪ Oh, what a story Dreams to buy ♪ 1657 01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:24,584 It really did. It went more mega. 1658 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,500 I was very cavalier about drug-taking. 1659 01:20:35,501 --> 01:20:38,500 And I started to realize it was changing my personality, 1660 01:20:38,501 --> 01:20:40,417 perverting me, in a way. 1661 01:20:40,834 --> 01:20:43,666 And destroying reputation, maybe. 1662 01:20:43,667 --> 01:20:45,792 And destroying my personal relationships. 1663 01:20:47,459 --> 01:20:49,501 But it takes a lot... 1664 01:20:49,959 --> 01:20:53,666 to sort of let your real personality take back control. 1665 01:20:53,667 --> 01:20:56,626 It takes a lot more than you think. 1666 01:20:58,459 --> 01:21:00,000 That's the trouble. 1667 01:21:01,626 --> 01:21:05,959 And so, I started to look around New York and think, 1668 01:21:06,459 --> 01:21:08,500 well, maybe it's time to go somewhere else. 1669 01:21:10,209 --> 01:21:12,791 And maybe putting a bit more distance between 1670 01:21:12,792 --> 01:21:14,959 me and the drugs. 1671 01:21:15,709 --> 01:21:18,208 And you know, when you start to think about it, you go, 1672 01:21:18,209 --> 01:21:20,082 "Yeah, if we just move to Los Angeles..." 1673 01:21:22,250 --> 01:21:24,374 You know, 'cause a lot of people I knew, 1674 01:21:24,375 --> 01:21:26,166 Jonesy, Steve Jones, 1675 01:21:26,167 --> 01:21:29,250 he was cleaning up and had moved to Los Angeles. 1676 01:21:30,375 --> 01:21:31,875 Hi, my name's Steve Jones. 1677 01:21:31,876 --> 01:21:34,876 I used to play guitar with a band called the Sex Pistols. 1678 01:21:35,292 --> 01:21:38,626 A good friend of mine, Sid Vicious, died from drugs. 1679 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,709 I nearly died from drugs. 1680 01:21:42,501 --> 01:21:44,082 Drugs suck. 1681 01:21:45,542 --> 01:21:46,917 They were all riding cycles, 1682 01:21:46,918 --> 01:21:48,625 you know, living in the daylight, 1683 01:21:48,626 --> 01:21:51,167 as we were living a vampire existence at night, you know. 1684 01:21:54,167 --> 01:21:56,291 So we decided to move to Los Angeles 1685 01:21:56,292 --> 01:21:57,292 and let's have a child. 1686 01:21:59,876 --> 01:22:02,292 Feel it! Feel it! 1687 01:22:02,876 --> 01:22:06,167 When we moved to California, we changed. 1688 01:22:06,542 --> 01:22:09,082 My business changed. I got a new manager. 1689 01:22:09,083 --> 01:22:12,709 Tony Dimitriades, who was, for a start, British. 1690 01:22:13,083 --> 01:22:15,667 Tony had a massive effect on my career. 1691 01:22:16,042 --> 01:22:18,918 And still does, really, to this day. 1692 01:22:19,542 --> 01:22:21,875 We wanted to have a baby, so I got healthy. 1693 01:22:21,876 --> 01:22:23,750 Billy got healthy. He got a trainer. 1694 01:22:23,751 --> 01:22:25,375 He got really fit. 1695 01:22:25,751 --> 01:22:28,667 And then she said to me, "I'm pregnant." 1696 01:22:29,167 --> 01:22:31,500 And that's what we wanted, so it was perfect. 1697 01:22:31,501 --> 01:22:33,458 I was so happy when I was pregnant, 1698 01:22:33,459 --> 01:22:35,583 because Billy treated me like an absolute princess. 1699 01:22:35,584 --> 01:22:38,751 And all I did was eat and look for a house to buy. 1700 01:22:39,125 --> 01:22:41,834 The perfect nesting job, you know. 1701 01:22:42,417 --> 01:22:44,458 So we found this fabulous house. 1702 01:22:44,459 --> 01:22:46,458 It was in the middle of the Hollywood Hills. 1703 01:22:46,459 --> 01:22:48,500 And as we went through the gates, I went... 1704 01:22:48,501 --> 01:22:50,791 ..."Billy, this is it. This is the house. 1705 01:22:50,792 --> 01:22:52,500 This is what we've been looking for." 1706 01:22:52,501 --> 01:22:55,166 And it's got that little cottage across the bridge 1707 01:22:55,167 --> 01:22:56,667 from the pool. 1708 01:22:57,584 --> 01:22:59,750 So we moved in 1709 01:22:59,751 --> 01:23:01,625 when Willem was a week old. 1710 01:23:04,459 --> 01:23:08,000 Willem was born in '88. So that was exciting. 1711 01:23:09,584 --> 01:23:11,249 It was a nice side of things. 1712 01:23:11,250 --> 01:23:15,083 It sort of brought a bit of normality into our lives. 1713 01:23:17,083 --> 01:23:19,500 When Willem was little, he was such a great dad. 1714 01:23:19,501 --> 01:23:20,459 He really was. 1715 01:23:21,834 --> 01:23:24,791 Some great pictures of Billy just looking at Willem. 1716 01:23:24,792 --> 01:23:27,626 Like, mmm! You know, just-just adoration. 1717 01:23:29,209 --> 01:23:30,751 Having a child, 1718 01:23:31,125 --> 01:23:33,708 it's like changing complete direction. 1719 01:23:33,709 --> 01:23:37,166 Instead of just being about yourself, 1720 01:23:37,167 --> 01:23:39,333 you know, you really did have to think about 1721 01:23:39,334 --> 01:23:41,250 how your life affects them. 1722 01:23:44,959 --> 01:23:47,458 I mean, it was great, but it wasn't so easy 1723 01:23:47,459 --> 01:23:48,999 as time went on. 1724 01:23:51,876 --> 01:23:55,249 Because I was kind of one week being Willem's dad, 1725 01:23:55,250 --> 01:23:58,918 and one week being Billy Idol, if you know what I mean. 1726 01:23:59,334 --> 01:24:01,917 Hey, buddy! We're here at Tropicana. 1727 01:24:01,918 --> 01:24:05,625 It's Billy Idol's party and it's gonna be stunning. 1728 01:24:07,042 --> 01:24:08,999 He's a wild man, and he's for real. 1729 01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:10,917 - He's got style. - He's Billy. 1730 01:24:10,918 --> 01:24:13,458 He was staying out for four days at a time. 1731 01:24:13,459 --> 01:24:17,208 And his roadie, Art, had a house in the Valley 1732 01:24:17,209 --> 01:24:19,875 that he used to fill with groupies and drugs. 1733 01:24:19,876 --> 01:24:21,708 Yeah! 1734 01:24:21,709 --> 01:24:23,208 Billy's just like a machine 1735 01:24:23,209 --> 01:24:25,667 'cause we would party all night, almost every night. 1736 01:24:26,125 --> 01:24:29,041 Part of my job was to let him party close to the edge 1737 01:24:29,042 --> 01:24:31,374 but be able to pull him back and bring him home safely, 1738 01:24:31,375 --> 01:24:32,459 which I did. 1739 01:24:38,876 --> 01:24:40,750 My mother was in town 1740 01:24:40,751 --> 01:24:42,416 and Billy said, "What are you doing today?" 1741 01:24:42,417 --> 01:24:43,999 I said, "I'm gonna take my mum for lunch 1742 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,833 as soon as Willem wakes up." 1743 01:24:45,834 --> 01:24:48,082 We had put Willem in the crib 1744 01:24:48,083 --> 01:24:50,082 and we'd put the baby monitor there. 1745 01:24:50,083 --> 01:24:52,208 So he knew that there was a baby monitor 1746 01:24:52,209 --> 01:24:53,917 sitting next to me, 1747 01:24:53,918 --> 01:24:55,166 we were sitting out by the pool. 1748 01:24:55,167 --> 01:24:57,124 So he says, "Oh, I think I'll go on a bike ride 1749 01:24:57,125 --> 01:24:58,416 with the boys then. You don't mind?" 1750 01:24:58,417 --> 01:24:59,583 I went, "No, of course not." 1751 01:24:59,584 --> 01:25:01,124 So he said, "I'll go and call Art." 1752 01:25:01,125 --> 01:25:04,166 So he goes into the house and... what possessed him? 1753 01:25:04,167 --> 01:25:06,875 There's eight telephones in the house 1754 01:25:06,876 --> 01:25:09,583 and he uses the one in the room 1755 01:25:09,584 --> 01:25:12,125 with the baby monitor and the sleeping baby. 1756 01:25:12,584 --> 01:25:14,249 I hear the whole conversation. 1757 01:25:14,250 --> 01:25:16,249 "Yeah, hi, baby. It's okay. 1758 01:25:16,250 --> 01:25:17,625 She's going to lunch with her mum. 1759 01:25:17,626 --> 01:25:21,666 Okay, I'll pick you up around 1:30. Okay, okay, baby." 1760 01:25:21,667 --> 01:25:23,917 And I'm like... 1761 01:25:23,918 --> 01:25:26,124 So he comes out of the house and I went, 1762 01:25:26,125 --> 01:25:27,750 "So you called Art?" 1763 01:25:27,751 --> 01:25:28,917 And he went, "Oh, yeah, yeah." 1764 01:25:28,918 --> 01:25:31,166 So I said, "Oh, you call Art 'baby' now, 1765 01:25:31,167 --> 01:25:34,082 do you, you lying motherfucker!" 1766 01:25:34,083 --> 01:25:35,583 So we had a screaming fight 1767 01:25:35,584 --> 01:25:38,625 and I get Willem out of the crib and he's crying. 1768 01:25:38,626 --> 01:25:40,458 I'm putting him in the car. 1769 01:25:42,334 --> 01:25:44,791 And Billy comes over and he says, um, 1770 01:25:44,792 --> 01:25:46,666 "I've got to tell you, it gets worse." 1771 01:25:46,667 --> 01:25:49,751 And I went, "It gets worse? How can it get any worse?" 1772 01:25:55,709 --> 01:25:58,626 Yeah, well, I was, uh, seeing other people. 1773 01:26:01,334 --> 01:26:04,583 The baby monitor thing and all that. 1774 01:26:04,584 --> 01:26:07,291 I sort of put a few of the girls together 1775 01:26:07,292 --> 01:26:09,709 as if it was all one person, you know. 1776 01:26:10,334 --> 01:26:12,666 I did kind of go out with this lady 1777 01:26:12,667 --> 01:26:14,584 for a few weeks, you know, 1778 01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:16,542 and she got pregnant, really. 1779 01:26:17,542 --> 01:26:19,750 And then, of course, um, 1780 01:26:19,751 --> 01:26:22,626 I had to sort of tell Perri about it eventually. 1781 01:26:24,918 --> 01:26:27,291 I thought, I just gotta get away from him. 1782 01:26:27,292 --> 01:26:32,125 So I got Willem and I decided to go to New York. 1783 01:26:33,626 --> 01:26:35,875 So, of course, I come to find out 1784 01:26:35,876 --> 01:26:39,000 Billy and Art, they'd gone to Bangkok. 1785 01:26:39,626 --> 01:26:41,459 I went, who does that? 1786 01:26:44,501 --> 01:26:46,124 Art... 1787 01:26:46,125 --> 01:26:49,500 ...I think it was his dream to go to Thailand. 1788 01:26:51,501 --> 01:26:54,208 We weren't gonna take drugs or anything. 1789 01:26:54,209 --> 01:26:56,208 We started out just drinking and stuff, 1790 01:26:56,209 --> 01:26:58,416 but after a week or so of that, 1791 01:26:58,417 --> 01:27:01,834 we asked a cab driver if he could get us some coke. 1792 01:27:03,167 --> 01:27:06,209 But he brought back this long, thin vial 1793 01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:08,667 of this white stuff, which... 1794 01:27:09,209 --> 01:27:12,042 which when-- Art sort of looked at me a bit like... 1795 01:27:26,250 --> 01:27:29,125 It was so strong. It was like probably China White. 1796 01:27:30,042 --> 01:27:32,501 You only needed a-a pinprick... 1797 01:27:33,709 --> 01:27:36,917 and you were just as high as a kite. 1798 01:27:36,918 --> 01:27:40,459 I looked like I was a ghost, you know, like I was a zombie. 1799 01:27:41,083 --> 01:27:44,583 I had some film with us and I destroyed the tape, you know, 1800 01:27:44,584 --> 01:27:48,791 because it was too-- it was too-- too disturbing. 1801 01:27:50,792 --> 01:27:53,459 We were out of our minds, really, and, uh... 1802 01:27:53,959 --> 01:27:56,291 at one point, I'd passed out in the elevator 1803 01:27:56,292 --> 01:27:57,999 with the elevator doors closing on me 1804 01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,917 and Mel Gibson was there with his family on holiday, 1805 01:28:00,918 --> 01:28:02,291 horrified. 1806 01:28:06,876 --> 01:28:09,958 He was so bad, I called the doctor to come, 1807 01:28:09,959 --> 01:28:12,625 you know, because now I'm worried. 1808 01:28:12,626 --> 01:28:14,124 I said, "Can you give him a sedative 1809 01:28:14,125 --> 01:28:15,417 so he won't wake up?" 1810 01:28:15,876 --> 01:28:17,458 He goes, "Oh, he's not gonna wake up. 1811 01:28:17,459 --> 01:28:18,918 He's not gonna wake up." 1812 01:28:19,250 --> 01:28:21,166 Sure as shit, ten minutes later, 1813 01:28:21,167 --> 01:28:23,458 they got him on a stretcher and in an ambulance. 1814 01:28:23,459 --> 01:28:25,458 He wakes up and starts flipping out, 1815 01:28:25,459 --> 01:28:26,918 realizing what's going on. 1816 01:28:30,250 --> 01:28:32,500 Once we started taking this really strong heroin, 1817 01:28:32,501 --> 01:28:33,750 we had to get off of it 1818 01:28:33,751 --> 01:28:35,542 before we could get on a plane to come back. 1819 01:28:37,667 --> 01:28:39,416 You know, you were so ill 1820 01:28:39,417 --> 01:28:40,999 because this stuff was so strong. 1821 01:28:42,292 --> 01:28:43,666 The Bangkok pharmacies have got 1822 01:28:43,667 --> 01:28:45,208 every kind of pill you could-- 1823 01:28:45,209 --> 01:28:46,918 so we were just getting pilled up. 1824 01:28:50,834 --> 01:28:53,416 At one point, he would start drinking 1825 01:28:53,417 --> 01:28:55,459 and he would turn into that monster... 1826 01:28:57,584 --> 01:29:00,417 and start smashing up the hotel rooms. 1827 01:29:04,459 --> 01:29:07,333 It got to the point where I was wanting him to go down. 1828 01:29:07,334 --> 01:29:09,458 He was being such a crazy person. 1829 01:29:09,459 --> 01:29:11,833 I would crush up, you know, Valiums and Xanax 1830 01:29:11,834 --> 01:29:14,291 and put them in his drink and give it to him 1831 01:29:14,292 --> 01:29:15,500 to help him get knocked out, 1832 01:29:15,501 --> 01:29:16,958 but I couldn't knock him out. 1833 01:29:21,083 --> 01:29:24,208 They'd given me a ton of downers or something, 1834 01:29:24,209 --> 01:29:26,292 but of course it didn't last long. 1835 01:29:27,417 --> 01:29:29,291 And there was this great big log, 1836 01:29:29,292 --> 01:29:30,999 so I picked up this great big log 1837 01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,208 and threw it through the glass window. 1838 01:29:37,042 --> 01:29:38,791 The guy, next day, came in and went, 1839 01:29:38,792 --> 01:29:40,374 "I'm calling the police," or whatever. 1840 01:29:40,375 --> 01:29:42,416 We said, "It's okay, we'll pay you for whatever it was." 1841 01:29:42,417 --> 01:29:43,792 I think it was 20,000 or something. 1842 01:29:46,584 --> 01:29:49,583 Three hotels he wrecked. Three of them. 1843 01:29:49,584 --> 01:29:51,834 They said they were going to throw us in jail. 1844 01:29:53,709 --> 01:29:56,626 I think the bill was $75,000 in damages. 1845 01:30:04,417 --> 01:30:08,751 The silver lining was I did put heroin behind me. 1846 01:30:09,501 --> 01:30:12,416 It was too horrible. The whole experience was-- 1847 01:30:12,417 --> 01:30:14,041 It actually really put me off. 1848 01:30:18,292 --> 01:30:20,250 That's probably a turning point... 1849 01:30:21,834 --> 01:30:24,124 'cause I didn't like who I was anymore. 1850 01:30:25,375 --> 01:30:27,666 And that was the final straw. 1851 01:30:27,667 --> 01:30:29,709 I haven't done heroin since. 1852 01:30:33,125 --> 01:30:35,082 Getting off heroin is one of the most 1853 01:30:35,083 --> 01:30:37,791 awfullest experiences in the world. 1854 01:30:37,792 --> 01:30:39,875 Boy George said it right when he said 1855 01:30:39,876 --> 01:30:42,876 it's like your skeleton trying to get out of your body. 1856 01:30:45,417 --> 01:30:48,374 There's no quick fix. It's such a long time. 1857 01:30:48,375 --> 01:30:52,584 You're counting the days, the seconds, the hours. 1858 01:30:52,918 --> 01:30:55,584 Even after six months, you still feel lousy. 1859 01:30:57,876 --> 01:31:01,584 He came back. I heard what happened. 1860 01:31:03,292 --> 01:31:05,791 He's definitely had nearly nine lives. 1861 01:31:05,792 --> 01:31:08,917 He's OD'd a lot, but he always comes back. 1862 01:31:18,959 --> 01:31:21,125 Hey, Billy! Yeah! 1863 01:31:23,459 --> 01:31:25,626 I thought kicking heroin would save me. 1864 01:31:26,792 --> 01:31:28,333 Billy! 1865 01:31:28,334 --> 01:31:30,291 That this would all be easier. 1866 01:31:36,709 --> 01:31:38,500 ♪ Well, ow! ♪ 1867 01:31:38,501 --> 01:31:40,542 ♪ Rock the cradle of love ♪ 1868 01:31:41,792 --> 01:31:43,625 ♪ Rock the cradle of love... ♪ 1869 01:31:43,626 --> 01:31:47,333 Billy Idol's new album, Charmed Life, is aptly named. 1870 01:31:47,334 --> 01:31:48,666 He's been rocking the charts 1871 01:31:48,667 --> 01:31:50,166 for almost a decade, of course. 1872 01:31:50,167 --> 01:31:52,082 But ironically, the day he finished the album, 1873 01:31:52,083 --> 01:31:54,208 he was in a near-fatal accident. 1874 01:31:58,334 --> 01:32:00,958 We literally had just mastered it. 1875 01:32:00,959 --> 01:32:04,750 And we were in the studio that night getting ridiculous. 1876 01:32:04,751 --> 01:32:07,334 You know, doing our ridiculous '80s stuff. 1877 01:32:09,626 --> 01:32:11,333 Billy didn't get any tapes, 1878 01:32:11,334 --> 01:32:13,417 'cause we left before the tapes were ready. 1879 01:32:16,042 --> 01:32:18,459 We were just finishing up the mixes. 1880 01:32:19,334 --> 01:32:20,999 He took off, went home, 1881 01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:24,667 and on his way back, he got, uh-- he got dinged. 1882 01:32:31,250 --> 01:32:33,374 Singer Billy Idol was seriously injured 1883 01:32:33,375 --> 01:32:35,082 in a motorcycle accident in Los Angeles 1884 01:32:35,083 --> 01:32:36,208 early yesterday morning 1885 01:32:36,209 --> 01:32:37,374 when the Harley he was driving 1886 01:32:37,375 --> 01:32:38,834 collided with another vehicle. 1887 01:32:39,334 --> 01:32:40,625 His injuries were so severe, 1888 01:32:40,626 --> 01:32:42,875 his doctors weren't sure they could save his leg. 1889 01:32:45,709 --> 01:32:48,333 So we get to Cedars-Sinai. 1890 01:32:48,334 --> 01:32:50,208 I run into the ICU, 1891 01:32:50,209 --> 01:32:52,875 and he's lying there and he looked terrible. 1892 01:32:52,876 --> 01:32:54,417 I mean, he was gray, 1893 01:32:54,834 --> 01:32:57,333 and his leg, I couldn't even look at it. 1894 01:32:57,334 --> 01:33:00,249 It looked like it was in like a few pieces, you know. 1895 01:33:00,250 --> 01:33:02,416 And, uh, I held his hand and I went, 1896 01:33:02,417 --> 01:33:04,375 "You're gonna be alright. You're gonna be alright." 1897 01:33:07,542 --> 01:33:10,416 Really, they didn't know if they could save the leg 1898 01:33:10,417 --> 01:33:12,250 for about ten days. 1899 01:33:12,792 --> 01:33:15,125 They were thinking of amputating. 1900 01:33:15,667 --> 01:33:19,876 He was in quite a lot of pain, you can imagine. 1901 01:33:20,292 --> 01:33:24,333 The bones were sticking out of the leg, it was horrible. 1902 01:33:29,292 --> 01:33:31,374 I was on morphine in the hospital 1903 01:33:31,375 --> 01:33:33,625 and I was on this pain box. 1904 01:33:33,626 --> 01:33:35,374 You know... 1905 01:33:39,959 --> 01:33:41,750 I wouldn't ever take my finger off 1906 01:33:41,751 --> 01:33:45,082 so it had a lockout that every 12 minutes I could do it, 1907 01:33:45,083 --> 01:33:46,625 because otherwise I would have been... 1908 01:33:52,792 --> 01:33:55,501 And even the pain doctor came to me and said, 1909 01:33:56,375 --> 01:33:58,292 "Mr. Broad, um... 1910 01:33:58,876 --> 01:34:01,791 the pain medication, how can I put it to you? 1911 01:34:01,792 --> 01:34:02,958 You're drinking it in. 1912 01:34:02,959 --> 01:34:04,292 Is there anything you want to tell me?" 1913 01:34:05,459 --> 01:34:06,999 But he said, "Look, 1914 01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:09,625 when the day comes and we say you don't need it anymore, 1915 01:34:09,626 --> 01:34:11,709 will you get off it?" And I said, "Yes, I will." 1916 01:34:12,042 --> 01:34:15,501 And so that... that was kind of it. 1917 01:34:27,417 --> 01:34:31,374 My mum and dad came to help me recuperate. 1918 01:34:31,375 --> 01:34:34,041 Came while I was in the hospital, 1919 01:34:34,042 --> 01:34:38,166 and then Mum stayed to sort of help me. 1920 01:34:38,167 --> 01:34:39,167 Fourteen weeks. 1921 01:34:40,918 --> 01:34:43,041 And my mum, because she was a nurse, 1922 01:34:43,042 --> 01:34:44,374 it was fantastic. 1923 01:34:44,375 --> 01:34:46,166 Who better than your mother 1924 01:34:46,167 --> 01:34:49,083 at such a horrible-- at such a horrible time. 1925 01:34:52,042 --> 01:34:54,458 And Dad got fed up of being on his own, 1926 01:34:54,459 --> 01:34:57,374 so he said, "You better come home." 1927 01:34:57,375 --> 01:34:59,208 Right! 1928 01:34:59,209 --> 01:35:00,875 Oh yeah! 1929 01:35:00,876 --> 01:35:02,583 Fourteen weeks. 1930 01:35:02,584 --> 01:35:03,584 Yeah. 1931 01:35:03,918 --> 01:35:07,209 You can see the... it looks quite nice today. 1932 01:35:07,751 --> 01:35:09,791 It used to look like-- this was all purple 1933 01:35:09,792 --> 01:35:11,166 and it had veins in it. 1934 01:35:11,167 --> 01:35:13,375 It used to look like my brain was coming out. 1935 01:35:13,918 --> 01:35:15,666 I'll show you what it looks like. 1936 01:35:15,667 --> 01:35:16,875 Let's have a look. 1937 01:35:16,876 --> 01:35:19,541 - It's really horrible. - Ooh! 1938 01:35:19,542 --> 01:35:20,625 For a while in hospital, 1939 01:35:20,626 --> 01:35:22,917 I could look into it and see my bone. 1940 01:35:22,918 --> 01:35:25,541 Yeah, but then it didn't-- the break didn't heal. 1941 01:35:25,542 --> 01:35:28,917 So they took some-- they put a steel rod into my leg 1942 01:35:28,918 --> 01:35:30,625 right through the middle of the bone. 1943 01:35:30,626 --> 01:35:31,999 It's about-- it's about that thick. 1944 01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:33,875 It's quite thick. It's really amazing. 1945 01:35:33,876 --> 01:35:35,333 They're really-- Ten years ago, 1946 01:35:35,334 --> 01:35:37,583 I would have had to have my leg chopped off. 1947 01:35:37,584 --> 01:35:38,626 Amputated. 1948 01:35:39,501 --> 01:35:40,833 I'm always thinking, 1949 01:35:40,834 --> 01:35:42,875 well, shouldn't it all collapse? 1950 01:35:42,876 --> 01:35:45,000 I don't even know what the next thing is. 1951 01:35:45,751 --> 01:35:47,666 I'm trying to prepare myself 1952 01:35:47,667 --> 01:35:50,334 for the unknown, even, you know. 1953 01:35:53,834 --> 01:35:55,626 And the winner is... 1954 01:35:58,709 --> 01:36:00,583 Billy Idol, "Cradle of Love." 1955 01:36:07,667 --> 01:36:09,791 ♪ Well, ow! ♪ 1956 01:36:09,792 --> 01:36:12,334 ♪ Rock the cradle of love... ♪ 1957 01:36:13,125 --> 01:36:15,583 Rock star Billy Idol is on the comeback trail 1958 01:36:15,584 --> 01:36:16,958 after a motorcycle accident 1959 01:36:16,959 --> 01:36:19,124 that nearly killed him last February. 1960 01:36:19,125 --> 01:36:22,083 His latest effort is the single "Cradle of Love." 1961 01:36:24,125 --> 01:36:26,000 Rock and roll forever! 1962 01:36:27,167 --> 01:36:28,750 His Charmed Life Tour 1963 01:36:28,751 --> 01:36:30,791 will take him to more than 50 US cities 1964 01:36:30,792 --> 01:36:33,750 and will help promote his new album by the same title. 1965 01:36:37,250 --> 01:36:40,876 I did the biggest tour of my life with a cane. 1966 01:36:44,334 --> 01:36:46,082 You're trying to keep momentum going 1967 01:36:46,083 --> 01:36:48,666 so things stay on a roll, you know. 1968 01:36:48,667 --> 01:36:49,918 And you gotta keep it rolling. 1969 01:36:51,626 --> 01:36:53,500 Moments before he hit the stage tonight, 1970 01:36:53,501 --> 01:36:56,458 it was clear, Billy was back and better than ever. 1971 01:36:56,459 --> 01:36:57,625 And just like his album title, 1972 01:36:57,626 --> 01:36:59,999 he was now leading a charmed life. 1973 01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:10,918 Billy was still a, you know, mega, major star. 1974 01:37:11,334 --> 01:37:13,249 He almost lost the leg. 1975 01:37:13,250 --> 01:37:15,750 So that was a big hiccup. 1976 01:37:15,751 --> 01:37:19,292 ♪ 311 man, oh yeah ♪ 1977 01:37:19,667 --> 01:37:21,208 But where it really hiccupped Billy 1978 01:37:21,209 --> 01:37:22,666 was not in his music career, 1979 01:37:22,667 --> 01:37:24,166 it was in his film career. 1980 01:37:26,167 --> 01:37:28,626 Because Billy would have had movie on movie. 1981 01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:32,416 I mean, the worst thing about it for me was 1982 01:37:32,417 --> 01:37:34,208 that it prevented me from actually 1983 01:37:34,209 --> 01:37:36,333 fulfilling my original role in the film, 1984 01:37:36,334 --> 01:37:39,541 Oliver Stone's film The Doors. 1985 01:37:39,542 --> 01:37:42,250 So I was pretty hurt about that. 1986 01:37:43,250 --> 01:37:45,333 Oliver, tell us why you cast Billy 1987 01:37:45,334 --> 01:37:47,166 in the role that you cast him in. 1988 01:37:47,167 --> 01:37:48,875 Because he's anarchic. 1989 01:37:48,876 --> 01:37:51,041 He's the spirit of rock and roll. 1990 01:37:51,042 --> 01:37:53,500 Who is the character that he's playing? 1991 01:37:53,501 --> 01:37:54,374 A wild man. 1992 01:37:54,375 --> 01:37:55,876 Yeah, mornin'. 1993 01:37:56,250 --> 01:37:57,999 Pour me my breakfast, Dolores. 1994 01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,625 Oliver Stone wanted me to play 1995 01:37:59,626 --> 01:38:01,374 a friend of Jim Morrison's. 1996 01:38:01,375 --> 01:38:04,166 I originally would have done the Michael Madsen part. 1997 01:38:04,167 --> 01:38:06,291 ...two-fisted fucking drinking guys 1998 01:38:06,292 --> 01:38:08,208 in the same movie together. 1999 01:38:08,209 --> 01:38:09,958 Yeah, man, I'll direct the shit out of it. 2000 01:38:09,959 --> 01:38:12,375 Dennis Hopper can do it, I can do it. 2001 01:38:12,876 --> 01:38:14,999 But because of the motorcycle accident, 2002 01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:16,500 I couldn't do that, so, uh, 2003 01:38:16,501 --> 01:38:19,000 I ended up playing Cat, a roadie. 2004 01:38:23,167 --> 01:38:25,875 And then I did do a screen test with Jim Cameron 2005 01:38:25,876 --> 01:38:27,541 for Terminator 2. 2006 01:38:27,542 --> 01:38:29,167 And action. 2007 01:38:29,667 --> 01:38:34,333 Jim wanted me to play the T-1000, the real bad guy. 2008 01:38:34,334 --> 01:38:36,334 - Where's John Connor? - I don't know. 2009 01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,917 Holy shit. 2010 01:38:39,918 --> 01:38:41,583 And it went really well. 2011 01:38:41,584 --> 01:38:43,667 T-1000 lives. 2012 01:38:44,292 --> 01:38:46,249 But there was a point in the movie where, 2013 01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:48,917 you know, the T-1000 has to run. 2014 01:38:48,918 --> 01:38:51,583 And he said, "I can't trick that up with CGI. 2015 01:38:51,584 --> 01:38:53,875 You have to be able to run." And I went, "Well..." 2016 01:38:53,876 --> 01:38:56,125 I just had a really bad limp, so I couldn't do it. 2017 01:38:57,209 --> 01:38:58,458 But I wish I could have done it. 2018 01:38:58,459 --> 01:39:00,125 It would have been incredible. 2019 01:39:00,709 --> 01:39:02,959 And you never know where that would have led. 2020 01:39:09,250 --> 01:39:11,958 Around that time, Perri was trying to be an actress too, 2021 01:39:11,959 --> 01:39:13,208 which she was. 2022 01:39:13,209 --> 01:39:14,208 She was really good, 2023 01:39:14,209 --> 01:39:16,751 but it never quite took off. 2024 01:39:18,209 --> 01:39:20,374 It really upset her a lot, you know. 2025 01:39:20,375 --> 01:39:22,792 And I think it upset her with me. 2026 01:39:23,375 --> 01:39:26,291 Because I was carrying on with my rock and roll career 2027 01:39:26,292 --> 01:39:28,458 and it just wasn't quite happening for her 2028 01:39:28,459 --> 01:39:29,501 in the same way. 2029 01:39:31,584 --> 01:39:34,250 It's like we just sort of grew apart, really. 2030 01:39:39,292 --> 01:39:41,124 So I understand why we ended, 2031 01:39:41,125 --> 01:39:42,333 but it's kind of a shame 2032 01:39:42,334 --> 01:39:43,791 because we were such good friends 2033 01:39:43,792 --> 01:39:44,999 as well as being lovers. 2034 01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,667 We were always great friends, you know. 2035 01:39:48,459 --> 01:39:50,750 I think we should have been together all our lives. 2036 01:39:50,751 --> 01:39:51,876 We're perfect for each other. 2037 01:39:55,292 --> 01:39:57,167 He was the love of my life. 2038 01:40:00,459 --> 01:40:02,709 Once we did break up, me and Perri, 2039 01:40:03,125 --> 01:40:06,417 I didn't kind of know what I was gonna do, you know. 2040 01:40:08,792 --> 01:40:09,917 Sound speeds. 2041 01:40:09,918 --> 01:40:12,208 We have Patrick. Take one. 2042 01:40:12,209 --> 01:40:13,500 Color marker. 2043 01:40:15,292 --> 01:40:17,500 I was born in '84, right? 2044 01:40:17,501 --> 01:40:21,041 And so, you know, those early formative years, 2045 01:40:21,042 --> 01:40:23,459 Billy Idol was kind of just everywhere. 2046 01:40:24,375 --> 01:40:26,500 ♪ Rock the cradle of love... ♪ 2047 01:40:26,501 --> 01:40:28,374 I vividly remember "Rock the Cradle of Love" 2048 01:40:28,375 --> 01:40:31,041 being, like, this thing that was in our house a lot. 2049 01:40:31,042 --> 01:40:33,834 And obviously "White Wedding" and stuff like that. 2050 01:40:34,209 --> 01:40:35,500 Listening back to those records, 2051 01:40:35,501 --> 01:40:37,374 there was something that stood out about them. 2052 01:40:37,375 --> 01:40:40,667 They kind of became like tentpoles for culture. 2053 01:40:41,834 --> 01:40:45,166 If you were gonna describe what a rock star is, 2054 01:40:45,167 --> 01:40:46,626 it's Billy Idol. 2055 01:40:47,876 --> 01:40:50,709 But then he made Cyberpunk. 2056 01:40:51,375 --> 01:40:55,249 I found that so surprising in this weird way, you know. 2057 01:40:55,250 --> 01:40:56,501 Like this little puzzle. 2058 01:40:58,542 --> 01:41:00,208 After the motorcycle accident, 2059 01:41:00,209 --> 01:41:04,082 this guy, when he saw this machine on my leg, he said, 2060 01:41:04,083 --> 01:41:06,791 "Oh, you're a cyberpunk." 2061 01:41:06,792 --> 01:41:09,416 And that's kind of made me go, oh. 2062 01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:16,041 Cyberpunk was more than a science fiction writer's fad. 2063 01:41:16,042 --> 01:41:17,791 Virtual reality holds a key 2064 01:41:17,792 --> 01:41:19,416 to the evolution of the human mind. 2065 01:41:19,417 --> 01:41:21,750 It was literature's first real response 2066 01:41:21,751 --> 01:41:23,209 to the Information Age. 2067 01:41:23,584 --> 01:41:26,791 Cyberpunk was a concept album 2068 01:41:26,792 --> 01:41:29,500 that took a lot of kind of influence from 2069 01:41:29,501 --> 01:41:32,667 William Gibson's novel, Neuromancer, 2070 01:41:33,125 --> 01:41:36,249 about the ultimate high-tech dystopian future. 2071 01:41:36,250 --> 01:41:38,208 Kind of like, you know, your Blade Runner, 2072 01:41:38,209 --> 01:41:40,334 your Ghost in the Shell, all of that. 2073 01:41:41,083 --> 01:41:43,918 I'm calling this album Cyberpunk because, uh, 2074 01:41:44,375 --> 01:41:48,083 we made it through joining together with computers. 2075 01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,083 Man and machine. 2076 01:41:51,584 --> 01:41:55,666 ♪ Discovered love in the rancid days of ruin... ♪ 2077 01:41:55,667 --> 01:41:58,958 He made this really bold choice to make a concept album 2078 01:41:58,959 --> 01:42:00,708 that was kind of prescient 2079 01:42:00,709 --> 01:42:04,249 in the way that technology was going to impact music 2080 01:42:04,250 --> 01:42:06,501 and the world and culture and everything. 2081 01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:10,208 It spans the globe like a superhighway. 2082 01:42:10,209 --> 01:42:11,833 It is called internet. 2083 01:42:11,834 --> 01:42:14,124 Cyberpunk turned me on to this idea 2084 01:42:14,125 --> 01:42:15,249 about the internet, 2085 01:42:15,250 --> 01:42:16,959 that the internet was coming. 2086 01:42:17,417 --> 01:42:20,374 But the normal public didn't know about it at all. 2087 01:42:20,375 --> 01:42:22,751 It was just certain people knew about it. 2088 01:42:23,167 --> 01:42:24,416 What do you mean? 2089 01:42:24,417 --> 01:42:26,166 You write to it like mail? 2090 01:42:26,167 --> 01:42:28,999 Allison, can you explain what internet is? 2091 01:42:33,042 --> 01:42:35,291 I used to say, "Billy, how many people have computers? 2092 01:42:35,292 --> 01:42:36,875 Maybe 2,000 people?" 2093 01:42:36,876 --> 01:42:38,833 And he used to say to me, "Art, 2094 01:42:38,834 --> 01:42:41,082 one day everybody will have a computer." 2095 01:42:41,083 --> 01:42:42,541 I go, "You're out of your mind, dude. 2096 01:42:42,542 --> 01:42:43,583 You're out of your mind." 2097 01:42:46,042 --> 01:42:48,082 And then I started to know about this 2098 01:42:48,083 --> 01:42:51,500 do-it-yourself kind of thing coming into music. 2099 01:42:52,918 --> 01:42:56,000 It was the early version of the Pro Tools. 2100 01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:58,541 Pro Tools, for people who don't know, 2101 01:42:58,542 --> 01:43:01,208 changed the way that recording happens. 2102 01:43:01,209 --> 01:43:04,792 First off, it made your studio able to be your house. 2103 01:43:05,501 --> 01:43:10,875 And it made the whole process so much faster. 2104 01:43:10,876 --> 01:43:12,333 The do-it-yourself record, 2105 01:43:12,334 --> 01:43:14,124 it just seemed really punk to me. 2106 01:43:14,125 --> 01:43:18,208 It seemed like it was revitalizing that side of me. 2107 01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,541 And then I could make the record at home. 2108 01:43:22,542 --> 01:43:23,876 That was the other thing too. 2109 01:43:24,209 --> 01:43:26,375 I was trying to heal myself from the drug addiction. 2110 01:43:26,792 --> 01:43:30,709 And we made the whole record without over-partying. 2111 01:43:31,083 --> 01:43:32,500 You know, the Charmed Life record 2112 01:43:32,501 --> 01:43:34,583 we'd made with strippers dancing to the music 2113 01:43:34,584 --> 01:43:36,876 and, you know, getting high and fucked up. 2114 01:43:37,334 --> 01:43:39,834 This record to me was about self-healing. 2115 01:43:42,083 --> 01:43:43,416 Good. 2116 01:43:45,334 --> 01:43:47,750 Well, the direction of this album is cyberspace, 2117 01:43:47,751 --> 01:43:51,374 cybernetic, rock and roll dance music. 2118 01:43:51,375 --> 01:43:54,625 And I think you can tell from this gear, 2119 01:43:54,626 --> 01:43:56,918 I'm definitely creating my own reality. 2120 01:43:57,375 --> 01:43:58,583 For a few lucky fans, 2121 01:43:58,584 --> 01:44:00,041 a limited edition of Cyberpunk 2122 01:44:00,042 --> 01:44:02,041 will be released with a special computer disc. 2123 01:44:02,042 --> 01:44:04,041 This is Billy Idol's Cyberpunk floppy disc 2124 01:44:04,042 --> 01:44:05,917 and it's set up like a magazine. 2125 01:44:05,918 --> 01:44:07,166 There are three different sections: 2126 01:44:07,167 --> 01:44:10,209 concept, song lyrics, and digi art. 2127 01:44:12,250 --> 01:44:14,041 Just trying to introduce people 2128 01:44:14,042 --> 01:44:15,666 into this idea that 2129 01:44:15,667 --> 01:44:18,626 the music and the computer all went together. 2130 01:44:19,125 --> 01:44:20,791 Looking back on the record, 2131 01:44:20,792 --> 01:44:23,250 it's a wild bet, it's a wild choice. 2132 01:44:23,792 --> 01:44:25,958 It's interesting because I feel like Cyberpunk 2133 01:44:25,959 --> 01:44:29,541 is where you see the artist that's behind the '80s icon. 2134 01:44:32,375 --> 01:44:34,416 ♪ Aw, yeah! ♪ 2135 01:44:34,417 --> 01:44:35,583 ♪ Yow! ♪ 2136 01:44:35,584 --> 01:44:38,751 ♪ You can rock this land, baby ♪ 2137 01:44:39,918 --> 01:44:41,583 ♪ Yow! ♪ 2138 01:44:41,584 --> 01:44:43,750 ♪ Like a shock to the system ♪ 2139 01:44:43,751 --> 01:44:46,583 ♪ It feel good, well, alright ♪ 2140 01:44:46,584 --> 01:44:49,458 ♪ Like a shock to the system ♪ 2141 01:44:49,459 --> 01:44:52,625 ♪ It feel good, well, alright ♪ 2142 01:44:52,626 --> 01:44:55,333 ♪ Like a shock to the system ♪ 2143 01:44:55,334 --> 01:44:59,791 ♪ I say yeah, say it louder The world still burns ♪ 2144 01:45:01,751 --> 01:45:03,959 The album didn't do very well. 2145 01:45:04,542 --> 01:45:08,291 It obviously didn't have a hit single on it. 2146 01:45:08,292 --> 01:45:09,791 It was too soon, it was too early, 2147 01:45:09,792 --> 01:45:11,291 people didn't understand it. 2148 01:45:19,334 --> 01:45:21,958 I simultaneously totally understand 2149 01:45:21,959 --> 01:45:23,791 why it didn't work, but also don't get 2150 01:45:23,792 --> 01:45:25,333 why it didn't work. 2151 01:45:25,334 --> 01:45:27,291 'Cause it's not really all that different 2152 01:45:27,292 --> 01:45:30,124 than a lot of music that was working in the '90s. 2153 01:45:30,125 --> 01:45:33,584 You know, it wasn't like it was terribly left field. 2154 01:45:35,250 --> 01:45:37,500 It was as if the world just decided 2155 01:45:37,501 --> 01:45:38,918 they didn't want it from him. 2156 01:45:42,876 --> 01:45:45,791 When you are an artist, you put yourself out there. 2157 01:45:45,792 --> 01:45:48,999 You know, your music is so much of you 2158 01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:50,875 and who you are, right? 2159 01:45:50,876 --> 01:45:53,541 And then to have millions of people reject that, 2160 01:45:53,542 --> 01:45:56,166 that's a bummer, man, that's a really big bummer. 2161 01:45:59,751 --> 01:46:01,625 I was a bit disappointed 2162 01:46:01,626 --> 01:46:03,541 that people didn't get what I was doing. 2163 01:46:03,542 --> 01:46:06,208 But you know, I kind of get it. 2164 01:46:06,209 --> 01:46:08,583 People who were just digging "Cradle of Love" 2165 01:46:08,584 --> 01:46:10,166 or "Mony Mony," you know, 2166 01:46:10,167 --> 01:46:12,417 they're just not going to quite get that. 2167 01:46:14,876 --> 01:46:16,833 If we'd done a follow-up to Charmed Life 2168 01:46:16,834 --> 01:46:19,333 and made sure there was a hit single on it 2169 01:46:19,334 --> 01:46:22,583 and partied in the same way as we did, 2170 01:46:22,584 --> 01:46:25,124 you know, like Mr. Rock and Roll 24/7, 2171 01:46:25,125 --> 01:46:26,209 I don't know. 2172 01:46:28,667 --> 01:46:30,709 I probably wouldn't be here. 2173 01:46:34,918 --> 01:46:37,041 Eventually, after Cyberpunk, 2174 01:46:37,042 --> 01:46:40,416 me and Steve Stevens, we started to write songs 2175 01:46:40,417 --> 01:46:41,959 for a Billy Idol album. 2176 01:46:43,250 --> 01:46:45,417 We made demos for a couple of years, 2177 01:46:46,542 --> 01:46:48,167 but it didn't quite happen. 2178 01:46:57,042 --> 01:46:58,500 And then I was kind of enjoying 2179 01:46:58,501 --> 01:47:00,292 being Willem's dad by that time. 2180 01:47:02,209 --> 01:47:05,917 And, uh, driving him to school. 2181 01:47:05,918 --> 01:47:07,917 - Dad? - Yeah? 2182 01:47:07,918 --> 01:47:09,082 You're supposed to play, 2183 01:47:09,083 --> 01:47:10,708 you're supposed to put that somewhere. 2184 01:47:10,709 --> 01:47:13,625 Doing the soccer with him. 2185 01:47:15,542 --> 01:47:17,876 Then the baseball and stuff. 2186 01:47:20,459 --> 01:47:23,667 By that time, my daughter had come back into my life. 2187 01:47:24,751 --> 01:47:26,958 Back during the baby monitor thing, 2188 01:47:26,959 --> 01:47:29,876 Bonnie's mum was the lady who got pregnant. 2189 01:47:31,459 --> 01:47:34,791 When she was pregnant, her mother had gone to Oklahoma. 2190 01:47:34,792 --> 01:47:37,875 So I didn't really meet Bonnie until she was 2191 01:47:37,876 --> 01:47:39,626 a little over two, you know. 2192 01:47:41,918 --> 01:47:44,208 Bonnie lived with her mother full-time, 2193 01:47:44,209 --> 01:47:46,709 so I didn't see her as much as Willem. 2194 01:47:47,459 --> 01:47:51,333 But I enjoyed all of that. I really enjoyed being a dad. 2195 01:47:54,292 --> 01:47:56,791 I always wanted a boy and a girl, 2196 01:47:56,792 --> 01:48:00,709 and I finagled my way into a boy and a girl. 2197 01:48:01,959 --> 01:48:03,833 In your own daft way, 2198 01:48:03,834 --> 01:48:05,959 you've achieved what you set out to do. 2199 01:48:08,417 --> 01:48:10,417 And I actually have a son 2200 01:48:10,792 --> 01:48:11,958 that I didn't realize 2201 01:48:11,959 --> 01:48:14,500 who, uh, I fathered 2202 01:48:14,501 --> 01:48:15,666 on the Rebel Yell Tour 2203 01:48:15,667 --> 01:48:16,834 without knowing it. 2204 01:48:17,125 --> 01:48:21,500 So, uh... I somehow finagled this as well. 2205 01:48:27,584 --> 01:48:30,333 - Look. - That's a turtle! 2206 01:48:30,334 --> 01:48:32,918 We have a two-year-old and an infant, 2207 01:48:33,375 --> 01:48:35,374 and we were like trying to figure out 2208 01:48:35,375 --> 01:48:36,876 our entire family tree. 2209 01:48:38,459 --> 01:48:40,374 So my husband just surprised me with 2210 01:48:40,375 --> 01:48:44,041 a 23andMe-- with a DNA, um, test 2211 01:48:44,042 --> 01:48:45,625 as a Christmas present. 2212 01:48:45,626 --> 01:48:47,124 With 23andMe, 2213 01:48:47,125 --> 01:48:48,708 you can discover where in the world 2214 01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:50,291 your DNA comes from. 2215 01:48:50,292 --> 01:48:53,124 You can even learn how you are connected to others. 2216 01:48:53,125 --> 01:48:54,833 And then a few weeks later, 2217 01:48:54,834 --> 01:48:59,209 I get the results back on the app and open it. 2218 01:49:00,459 --> 01:49:03,876 And I'm like, who is this? This Brant? 2219 01:49:04,209 --> 01:49:06,667 And it says, you know, his info is like, 2220 01:49:07,083 --> 01:49:11,583 "New York, 1985, looking for my bio dad." 2221 01:49:11,584 --> 01:49:14,792 And I was like, what? 2222 01:49:16,042 --> 01:49:18,082 My sister calls me 2223 01:49:18,083 --> 01:49:20,249 and she says, "Hey, Willem, I did 23andMe 2224 01:49:20,250 --> 01:49:22,374 and, uh, we have a brother." 2225 01:49:24,834 --> 01:49:27,833 Growing up, I actually, uh, thought 2226 01:49:27,834 --> 01:49:29,541 another man was my biological father. 2227 01:49:29,542 --> 01:49:32,708 My dad, Mark, I actually got him a DNA test 2228 01:49:32,709 --> 01:49:35,249 and, uh, we didn't have any matches. 2229 01:49:35,250 --> 01:49:37,999 And I was just like, what's going on here? You know? 2230 01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:39,333 Like, this is a little weird. 2231 01:49:39,334 --> 01:49:42,291 So I was like, "Mom, is there a chance Mark 2232 01:49:42,292 --> 01:49:44,249 might not be my biological father?" 2233 01:49:44,250 --> 01:49:46,875 And she's like, "Well, you know, it's pretty crazy, 2234 01:49:46,876 --> 01:49:48,917 but back in the day, we broke up. 2235 01:49:48,918 --> 01:49:51,124 And I actually, you know, 2236 01:49:51,125 --> 01:49:53,542 spent a weekend with, uh... 2237 01:49:54,375 --> 01:49:55,459 with Billy Idol." 2238 01:49:57,918 --> 01:50:00,583 Once I saw Brant with Bonnie and Willem, 2239 01:50:00,584 --> 01:50:03,584 they've all got the same quirky sense of humor. 2240 01:50:04,292 --> 01:50:05,458 And once I saw that, 2241 01:50:05,459 --> 01:50:07,708 I could see he's my son, really. 2242 01:50:08,626 --> 01:50:09,917 Okay, just hold on. 2243 01:50:09,918 --> 01:50:11,417 Let's see this tongue. 2244 01:50:13,334 --> 01:50:15,000 Now make it pointy. 2245 01:50:15,417 --> 01:50:17,250 Let's see your hands. 2246 01:50:18,792 --> 01:50:20,082 Oh yeah, those are right. 2247 01:50:20,083 --> 01:50:21,458 That's crazy. 2248 01:50:21,459 --> 01:50:23,875 As I get to know him more, I get to know him more 2249 01:50:23,876 --> 01:50:25,124 as a man who loves his family. 2250 01:50:25,125 --> 01:50:27,208 He's definitely showed me a lot of love, 2251 01:50:27,209 --> 01:50:29,082 so I'm blessed. 2252 01:50:30,626 --> 01:50:33,082 So now I've got four grandchildren, 2253 01:50:33,083 --> 01:50:34,583 two by Bonnie 2254 01:50:34,584 --> 01:50:36,417 and two by Brant. 2255 01:50:36,792 --> 01:50:39,541 And so it's all drawn us very much together. 2256 01:50:39,542 --> 01:50:41,583 - Yeah! - Whoo-hoo! 2257 01:50:41,584 --> 01:50:43,958 That's it. Yes, well done. 2258 01:50:43,959 --> 01:50:47,083 - Come here! - Ooga-booga! 2259 01:50:47,501 --> 01:50:49,750 There's a funny thing. We were at my sister's house 2260 01:50:49,751 --> 01:50:51,666 and he's laying on this bed, 2261 01:50:51,667 --> 01:50:54,124 and my daughter runs, 2262 01:50:54,125 --> 01:50:55,500 jumps on this bed, 2263 01:50:55,501 --> 01:50:57,208 and then jumps right back off and lands 2264 01:50:57,209 --> 01:50:58,459 right on his private areas. 2265 01:51:01,667 --> 01:51:02,999 Wow! 2266 01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:04,458 And in my head I'm like, 2267 01:51:04,459 --> 01:51:06,625 "My daughter just crushed Billy Idol's nuts." 2268 01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:09,125 Oh! 2269 01:51:09,709 --> 01:51:11,958 You hit Granddad with a block. That's not nice. 2270 01:51:11,959 --> 01:51:13,833 It was just a funny story, but, uh, 2271 01:51:13,834 --> 01:51:14,999 he loved 'em up. 2272 01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:17,625 He loved my wife and my daughter, 2273 01:51:17,626 --> 01:51:19,417 and he's a good man. 2274 01:51:31,918 --> 01:51:35,541 He is just the best grandfather, 2275 01:51:35,542 --> 01:51:38,459 and, oh, my babies love him so much. 2276 01:51:40,417 --> 01:51:43,833 My pops is a legend. He's a diva. 2277 01:51:43,834 --> 01:51:46,374 He's a punk rock god, 2278 01:51:46,375 --> 01:51:48,708 and I love him, you know? 2279 01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:52,625 Alright, come on. 2280 01:51:52,626 --> 01:51:56,333 You know, I was really just, uh, doing 2281 01:51:56,334 --> 01:51:59,333 what I wanted to do, and that's what started to be 2282 01:51:59,334 --> 01:52:01,959 more important than Billy Idol. Thank God. 2283 01:52:08,876 --> 01:52:11,667 ♪ More, more, more, more ♪ 2284 01:52:32,834 --> 01:52:36,459 He did later on in life, uh, towards the end of his life. 2285 01:52:38,250 --> 01:52:40,833 He started to listen to some of the older stuff. 2286 01:52:40,834 --> 01:52:43,082 When he got sick from the cancer, 2287 01:52:43,083 --> 01:52:45,375 he started to listen to the older music. 2288 01:52:47,209 --> 01:52:50,125 And he said to me, he said, uh... 2289 01:52:53,375 --> 01:52:54,959 "Did I upset you, Will..." 2290 01:52:58,751 --> 01:53:00,999 "...I didn't care about your music?" 2291 01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:02,042 I said... 2292 01:53:05,709 --> 01:53:08,292 "Dad, I was crazy to think I could do it." 2293 01:53:09,876 --> 01:53:12,208 Because I could see at that moment... 2294 01:53:13,292 --> 01:53:14,626 ...that's what he needed. 2295 01:53:15,375 --> 01:53:17,000 He didn't need me saying, 2296 01:53:17,417 --> 01:53:19,291 "You didn't understand, you piece of shit. 2297 01:53:19,292 --> 01:53:20,833 Look who I am. Look what I did. 2298 01:53:20,834 --> 01:53:22,917 I've had these hit records. You don't care." 2299 01:53:22,918 --> 01:53:24,750 He didn't need that right at that moment. 2300 01:53:24,751 --> 01:53:26,917 What he needed me to say was the truth, 2301 01:53:26,918 --> 01:53:30,124 which is, I was crazy to think I could do it, 2302 01:53:30,125 --> 01:53:31,167 because I was. 2303 01:53:31,459 --> 01:53:34,125 I was a bit crazy to think I could do it. 2304 01:53:41,709 --> 01:53:44,750 I could understand, really, that they didn't understand, 2305 01:53:44,751 --> 01:53:48,626 because I didn't really know if I had the ability. 2306 01:53:51,792 --> 01:53:53,459 Because you had to be crazy. 2307 01:54:09,125 --> 01:54:11,417 It was good that they made up. 2308 01:54:13,542 --> 01:54:15,708 They became quite good friends. 2309 01:54:15,709 --> 01:54:17,708 Complete change. 2310 01:54:17,709 --> 01:54:21,500 You know, it was sad, but there we are. 2311 01:54:21,501 --> 01:54:22,666 That's life. 2312 01:54:52,584 --> 01:54:55,750 I can say I didn't know what the hell was gonna happen 2313 01:54:55,751 --> 01:54:57,041 when I came to America. 2314 01:54:57,042 --> 01:54:59,416 A lot of weird things have happened to me, 2315 01:54:59,417 --> 01:55:01,041 but, of course, it was an experience. 2316 01:55:01,042 --> 01:55:02,750 And the other thing was, I came here, 2317 01:55:02,751 --> 01:55:05,541 I came here really because I wanted to make music. 2318 01:55:05,542 --> 01:55:07,208 I wanted to continue being in groups. 2319 01:55:07,209 --> 01:55:09,000 I wanted to continue singing. 2320 01:55:11,626 --> 01:55:13,209 I'm a songwriter, you know. 2321 01:55:18,417 --> 01:55:19,875 It's lovely being here in Mexico. 2322 01:55:19,876 --> 01:55:23,249 I'm having a fantastic fucking time! Yeah! 2323 01:55:24,959 --> 01:55:27,458 Thank you, London. Thank you. Yeah! 2324 01:55:31,334 --> 01:55:33,374 Listen, wherever you're from in this world, 2325 01:55:33,375 --> 01:55:34,583 I want to thank you. 2326 01:55:34,584 --> 01:55:36,666 I want to thank you for making my life 2327 01:55:36,667 --> 01:55:38,625 so fucking great. Thank you. 2328 01:55:50,542 --> 01:55:54,124 A big part of life is luck. 2329 01:55:54,125 --> 01:55:57,501 But an even bigger part is what you do with that luck. 2330 01:55:59,375 --> 01:56:02,125 Most people probably think I should be dead. 2331 01:56:02,501 --> 01:56:04,416 Love you, Billy! 2332 01:56:04,417 --> 01:56:08,000 So I'm living every day like it could be my last. 2333 01:56:09,751 --> 01:56:11,292 This is for you, Dad! 2334 01:56:11,709 --> 01:56:12,751 Yeah! 2335 01:56:31,292 --> 01:56:36,417 ♪ Late night conversations ♪ 2336 01:56:37,292 --> 01:56:43,459 ♪ With past life hesitations ♪ 2337 01:56:44,292 --> 01:56:49,459 ♪ Once when I was younger ♪ 2338 01:56:51,334 --> 01:56:56,501 ♪ Back when I knew hunger ♪ 2339 01:56:57,709 --> 01:57:01,041 ♪ I was just bored with a life to live ♪ 2340 01:57:01,042 --> 01:57:06,292 ♪ All I knew was to dream into it ♪ 2341 01:57:17,626 --> 01:57:23,209 ♪ Naive motivations ♪ 2342 01:57:24,125 --> 01:57:30,083 ♪ Heightened expectations ♪ 2343 01:57:30,584 --> 01:57:36,501 ♪ The door was open, calling ♪ 2344 01:57:37,501 --> 01:57:42,792 ♪ They said I was foolish ♪ 2345 01:57:43,959 --> 01:57:45,416 ♪ I had to walk through ♪ 2346 01:57:45,417 --> 01:57:47,125 ♪ Didn't think of the price ♪ 2347 01:57:47,375 --> 01:57:48,875 ♪ With a twinkle in my eye ♪ 2348 01:57:48,876 --> 01:57:52,334 ♪ I dreamed into it ♪ 2349 01:57:57,042 --> 01:58:00,041 ♪ And the records turn ♪ 2350 01:58:00,042 --> 01:58:03,708 ♪ Like they did when I was young ♪ 2351 01:58:03,709 --> 01:58:06,750 ♪ And I still don't know ♪ 2352 01:58:06,751 --> 01:58:10,124 ♪ If I've only just begun ♪ 2353 01:58:10,125 --> 01:58:13,583 ♪ And the records spin ♪ 2354 01:58:13,584 --> 01:58:16,500 ♪ As the soundtrack to my sins ♪ 2355 01:58:16,501 --> 01:58:21,791 ♪ Baby, I'm dying, dying, dying, dying to live ♪ 2356 01:58:21,792 --> 01:58:25,709 ♪ So I dream into it ♪ 2357 01:58:26,709 --> 01:58:28,917 ♪ Ooh, ooh ♪ 2358 01:58:28,918 --> 01:58:32,417 ♪ Dream into it ♪ 2359 01:58:33,167 --> 01:58:37,041 ♪ Ooh, ooh ♪ 2360 01:58:37,042 --> 01:58:38,625 ♪ Feel it in my soul ♪ 2361 01:58:38,626 --> 01:58:40,291 ♪ I've been running so long ♪ 2362 01:58:40,292 --> 01:58:43,625 ♪ Regrets are flowing fast An imaginary storm ♪ 2363 01:58:43,626 --> 01:58:46,875 ♪ Gripping at the branches and I'm trying to hold on ♪ 2364 01:58:46,876 --> 01:58:48,208 ♪ So many memories made ♪ 2365 01:58:48,209 --> 01:58:50,291 ♪ Wish I was there for them all ♪ 2366 01:58:50,292 --> 01:58:51,583 ♪ I'm still at the beginning ♪ 2367 01:58:51,584 --> 01:58:53,333 ♪ Though I feel like it's the end ♪ 2368 01:58:53,334 --> 01:58:56,833 ♪ I'm begging for a chance to see the sunrise again ♪ 2369 01:58:56,834 --> 01:59:01,334 ♪ 'Cause I'm dying, dying, dying, dying to live ♪ 2370 01:59:04,959 --> 01:59:07,791 ♪ And the records turn ♪ 2371 01:59:07,792 --> 01:59:11,458 ♪ Like they did when I was young ♪ 2372 01:59:11,459 --> 01:59:14,666 ♪ And I still don't know ♪ 2373 01:59:14,667 --> 01:59:18,166 ♪ If I've only just begun ♪ 2374 01:59:18,167 --> 01:59:21,166 ♪ And the records spin ♪ 2375 01:59:21,167 --> 01:59:24,082 ♪ As the soundtrack to my sins ♪ 2376 01:59:24,083 --> 01:59:29,625 ♪ Baby, I'm dying, dying, dying, dying to live ♪ 2377 01:59:29,626 --> 01:59:33,292 ♪ So I dream into it ♪ 2378 01:59:38,417 --> 01:59:43,584 ♪ First came luck, then pressure ♪ 2379 01:59:45,125 --> 01:59:50,792 ♪ One-man rollercoaster ♪ 2380 01:59:51,334 --> 01:59:57,334 ♪ Around the world like phantoms ♪ 2381 01:59:57,834 --> 02:00:03,876 ♪ I didn't care what would happen ♪ 2382 02:00:04,375 --> 02:00:06,041 ♪ See, I was kicking at the stars ♪ 2383 02:00:06,042 --> 02:00:07,833 ♪ With the wind at my wings ♪ 2384 02:00:07,834 --> 02:00:12,501 ♪ Kid to a king All I wanted was everything ♪ 2385 02:00:54,667 --> 02:00:59,083 ♪ Born in a time that wasn't made to last ♪ 2386 02:00:59,626 --> 02:01:04,042 ♪ In 1977, it went fast ♪ 2387 02:01:04,417 --> 02:01:09,167 ♪ Johnny told us to rise, not to give a shit ♪ 2388 02:01:09,834 --> 02:01:14,209 ♪ And then "Kiss Me Deadly," and we had a hit ♪ 2389 02:01:14,751 --> 02:01:19,125 ♪ Last night in the Roxy, we made love on the floor ♪ 2390 02:01:19,626 --> 02:01:22,541 ♪ We shot up in the bathroom ♪ 2391 02:01:22,542 --> 02:01:25,292 ♪ And said we were bored ♪ 2392 02:01:26,584 --> 02:01:28,791 ♪ If you are here tonight ♪ 2393 02:01:28,792 --> 02:01:31,082 ♪ And you hear these sounds ♪ 2394 02:01:31,083 --> 02:01:36,625 ♪ We are still kings and queens of the underground ♪ 2395 02:01:36,626 --> 02:01:39,291 ♪ I don't mean to be profound ♪ 2396 02:01:39,292 --> 02:01:41,541 ♪ But if I'm still around ♪ 2397 02:01:41,542 --> 02:01:46,875 ♪ We are still kings and queens of the underground ♪ 2398 02:01:46,876 --> 02:01:48,918 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 2399 02:01:57,417 --> 02:02:02,250 ♪ 1984, and "Rebel Yell" had the floor ♪ 2400 02:02:02,667 --> 02:02:07,124 ♪ All we said was, "more, more, more" ♪ 2401 02:02:07,125 --> 02:02:12,458 ♪ Well I touched you with my "Eyes Without A Face" ♪ 2402 02:02:12,459 --> 02:02:15,124 ♪ I was "Hot in the City" ♪ 2403 02:02:15,125 --> 02:02:17,751 ♪ Yes, I thought I was ace ♪ 2404 02:02:18,125 --> 02:02:19,999 ♪ I didn't know then ♪ 2405 02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:22,833 ♪ When I was in your front room ♪ 2406 02:02:22,834 --> 02:02:28,166 ♪ On MTV, baby, I was high as the moon ♪ 2407 02:02:28,167 --> 02:02:30,541 ♪ If you are here tonight ♪ 2408 02:02:30,542 --> 02:02:32,875 ♪ And you hear these sounds ♪ 2409 02:02:32,876 --> 02:02:38,333 ♪ We are still kings and queens of the underground ♪ 2410 02:02:38,334 --> 02:02:40,833 ♪ I don't mean to be profound ♪ 2411 02:02:40,834 --> 02:02:43,208 ♪ But if I'm still around ♪ 2412 02:02:43,209 --> 02:02:48,459 ♪ We are still kings and queens of the underground ♪ 2413 02:02:49,125 --> 02:02:51,541 ♪ Ooh ♪ 2414 02:02:51,542 --> 02:02:54,291 ♪ Golden years ♪ 2415 02:02:54,292 --> 02:02:56,750 ♪ Ooh ♪ 2416 02:02:56,751 --> 02:02:59,124 ♪ Golden years ♪ 2417 02:02:59,125 --> 02:03:01,917 ♪ Ooh ♪ 2418 02:03:01,918 --> 02:03:04,416 ♪ Golden years ♪ 2419 02:03:04,417 --> 02:03:07,166 ♪ Ooh ♪ 2420 02:03:07,167 --> 02:03:09,667 ♪ Golden years ♪ 2421 02:03:33,918 --> 02:03:38,374 ♪ Sold all my vinyl, it went up my arm ♪ 2422 02:03:38,375 --> 02:03:43,708 ♪ And I thought rock and roll couldn't do me no harm ♪ 2423 02:03:43,709 --> 02:03:46,082 ♪ Now I'm rolling a joint ♪ 2424 02:03:46,083 --> 02:03:48,625 ♪ And I'm dressed in black ♪ 2425 02:03:48,626 --> 02:03:53,750 ♪ If we lose the music, baby, we can never go back ♪ 2426 02:03:53,751 --> 02:03:56,458 ♪ But if you are here tonight ♪ 2427 02:03:56,459 --> 02:03:58,958 ♪ And you hear these sounds ♪ 2428 02:03:58,959 --> 02:04:04,249 ♪ We are still kings and queens of the underground ♪ 2429 02:04:04,250 --> 02:04:07,082 ♪ I don't mean to be profound ♪ 2430 02:04:07,083 --> 02:04:09,333 ♪ But if I'm still around ♪ 2431 02:04:09,334 --> 02:04:14,458 ♪ We are still kings and queens of the underground ♪ 2432 02:04:14,459 --> 02:04:19,416 ♪ Jonesy said, "Bill, don't be profound" ♪ 2433 02:04:19,417 --> 02:04:24,666 ♪ "If you are still a king of the underground" ♪ 2434 02:04:24,667 --> 02:04:27,500 ♪ If you hear my voice ♪ 2435 02:04:27,501 --> 02:04:30,333 ♪ And you dig these rebel sounds ♪ 2436 02:04:30,334 --> 02:04:35,583 ♪ Still kings and queens of the underground ♪ 2437 02:04:35,584 --> 02:04:40,249 ♪ Here tonight, I wanna dig these sounds ♪ 2438 02:04:40,250 --> 02:04:45,333 ♪ I'm still a king of the underground ♪ 2439 02:04:45,334 --> 02:04:48,125 ♪ If you hear my voice ♪ 2440 02:04:48,584 --> 02:04:50,833 ♪ Dig these rebel sounds ♪ 2441 02:04:50,834 --> 02:04:53,249 ♪ Still kings and queens ♪ 2442 02:04:53,250 --> 02:05:00,250 ♪ Of the underground ♪ 2443 02:05:09,459 --> 02:05:11,833 ♪ Ooh ♪ 2444 02:05:11,834 --> 02:05:14,417 ♪ Golden years... ♪ 184873

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