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Do you want to show where we are right
now? Because I think we're quite deep
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inside what are called the Palestinian
territories.
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What you call the Palestinian
territories, I call it the heart of
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If you say the Palestinian territories,
you're essentially already saying that
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this right here, right here is going to
be a jihadist Palestinian.
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state right in the heart of israel not
only in the heart of israel we're
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about like but why do you say jihadist
why not why couldn't it just be a
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palestinian state okay to understand the
arab way of thinking that they
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understand there's a war they win the
war if they get territory they lose the
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war if they lose territory you could
flip that and say well that's what in a
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sense you're doing that's what i aspire
to do that's what i aspire to do
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Beyond the eastern edge of Israel is the
Palestinian territory of the West Bank.
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It was occupied in war by Israel in
1967.
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Since then, hundreds of thousands of
Jewish settlers have moved here
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under international law.
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Among them, a group of religious
nationalists who see it as their divine
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to build a greater Israel.
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and drive out the Palestinians who've
been here for generations.
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I made a film about them in 2011.
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But now, since the attack of October
7th, I'd heard that they were
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the settlement process.
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Why are you filming me?
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While being protected by the Israeli
military.
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I'd come to try to understand their
mindset.
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and to see the consequences of their
ultra -nationalist vision up close.
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They don't see us as equal human beings
who deserve the same rights they do.
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I was close to Israel's southern border.
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At a viewpoint, tourists were surveying
the ruins of Gaza.
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The Palestinian death toll at this point
was more than 43 ,000 and rising.
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In a war that had commenced a year
earlier, after Hamas gunmen attacked
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communities, killing more than a
thousand and taking hundreds more
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Now with bombs falling nearby, settlers
from across the West Bank were holding a
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jamboree to promote the idea of putting
new Jewish outposts in Gaza, with
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workshops offering practical advice
while a vanguard made their case in
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the world's media.
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How are you doing, Louis?
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Nice to meet you, Orvit.
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Orvit, and why are you here today?
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To show support.
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and that I believe that Gaza is ours and
that we need to be living there.
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To those Palestinians who say, well,
we'd like to live in a Palestinian
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what do you say?
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The Bible says this place was given to
the Jews. This place is ours.
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Ours meaning?
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It's a Jewish name.
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What's your name?
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Aaron. Aaron, nice to meet you. Louis.
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Where are you from? I'm from Hebron. And
before that, until I was nine years
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old, lived in New York. And then my
parents made a riyah to Israel.
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We're here.
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Call our government to go and settle
Gaza.
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We're here because we have a right to be
here. Our right to be in this land is
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the Torah, is the godly promise.
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Where we don't settle, terror grows.
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Among the attendees were many senior
political figures.
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including Israel's Minister of National
Security.
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In
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his
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youth Itamar Ben -Gavir had been
convicted of incitement of racism.
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He is himself a settler, but in a sign
of the changing times, he now sits in
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government of Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu.
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Presiding over the event was the
godmother of the settler movement,
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Weiss.
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Daniela, this is your event, isn't it?
Tell me about what this is. No, no, no,
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not now, not now.
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Ten words.
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No, no, no, not now, not now.
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We, the settlement movement, organized
this event
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in order to enhance the practical idea
of
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establishing Jewish settlements in the
entire Gaza.
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We very much encourage and enable the
population in Gaza
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to go to other countries.
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You will witness how Jews go to Gaza and
Arabs disappear
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from Gaza.
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They lost their right to stay in this
holy place. Please go.
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Thank you very much.
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From up on a nearby hill, there came the
sound of protesting.
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An Israeli group demonstrating for a
thief fire and the return of hostages
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by Hamas.
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What are you doing here?
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I think the idea of resettling Gaza is
absolutely ridiculous.
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The question is, what kind of country do
we want to be? Do we want to be a
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colonising country?
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Or do we want to be a country that at
least...
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who offers peace and wants to live in
peace with the Palestinians.
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That has to be what we strive for.
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I'd been hoping for a moment with
Daniela, but then came a warning of a
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rocket attack and the event was quickly
evacuated.
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Let's grab the cameras and let's go.
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For Jewish settlers, Gaza is the latest
frontier in a process that's been
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unfolding for decades across the West
Bank.
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A region of not much more than 5 ,000
square kilometers, the West Bank is home
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to around 3 million Palestinians, most
of them living in large cities with
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limited autonomy under the Palestinian
Authority.
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The Israeli military occupied the area
in the Six -Day War in 1967.
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Since then, hundreds of thousands of
Israelis have moved in to form
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hoping to expand Jewish presence in the
region or simply looking for cheap
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housing.
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Often they start out as a few tents or
caravans pitched by ultra -ideological
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settlers on hilltops next to Palestinian
towns.
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These are known as outposts.
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They are illegal under Israeli law until
they are authorized as settlements.
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But both settlements and outposts are
illegal under international law.
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The army nevertheless protects them.
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Hello. How are you?
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Everything's great. Where are you from?
London, England.
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Oh, nice.
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Where are you from?
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Russia. Russia.
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Most settlements tend to be suspicious
of media.
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But I'd managed to get an appointment at
one called Eviatar.
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It had started out as an outpost on the
edge of the Palestinian town of Beitar.
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It was only recognized as a settlement
by the Israeli state a few months
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earlier.
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Hi there, good morning. Good morning,
how are you?
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I'm fine, how are you doing? You must be
Malkiel. Yes, I am. I'm Louis, how do
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you do? I'm fine, thank you. Thank you
for having us. Thank you for coming.
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One of its founders is horse wrangler
Malkiel Barhai.
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All right, so let me show you a bit
about Viet Thao.
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I'm just going to have to ask you not to
take any films of the army base. That's
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where they're sitting.
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So there's an army base there? This is
an army base. That's where the
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dormitories are.
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And this is a house for people living
here.
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The army base is for your security? For
all the region's security.
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The story about Viet Thao, this was
hilltop.
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It started from day one, living in
tents.
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And by the end of the month, we were 50
families living here in these houses.
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All of these houses were built back
then.
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Coming from where?
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All over the country.
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Should we go inside?
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All right.
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It is a little untidy.
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So this is where you're living at the
moment?
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Yes.
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This is our humble home.
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This is our living room, our kitchen.
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How many children do you have? Eight.
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Four boys and four girls. Wow.
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Behind here we have another kid's room.
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This is the girls' bedroom.
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Two older girls, 13 and 11, they sleep
here.
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And over there is the laundry, bathroom
and the shower.
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So where do you stay, Mum and Dad?
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This is me and my wife. You and your
wife are in there.
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If it rains... Yeah, if it does rain,
we'll go into the small caravan.
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Hopefully, we'll finish building the
house before winter is here.
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Do you enjoy being out on the frontier,
where it's a bit more rough and ready,
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where there's more uncertainty?
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Our mission is to settle Israel.
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New settlements all over the country.
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So most of the world sees this as the
West Bank, as occupied territory. It's
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under a military...
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Occupation, correct, like it's not part
of the state of Israel as most nations
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recognize it.
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The ancient name of this area is called
Judea.
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The meaning of Judea is it belongs to
the Jews.
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So you can't take all the history, put
it in the garbage and say, OK, it does
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not belong to the Jews.
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The history says it belongs to Israel.
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with a selective reading of history that
ignores the Palestinians who've lived
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in the land for generations.
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The aim for settlements like Eviatar is
to become full -fledged towns, guarded
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round the clock by soldiers, walled off
from the millions around them.
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The godmother of the Settler Project,
going back more than 50 years, is the
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woman I'd seen at the Gaza border event,
Daniela Weiss.
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I want to see big cities here, like a
city of two million people.
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So it's not a settlement. Settlement is
caravans, is trailers, is a home here
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and a home there. This is not what my
dream is about.
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The trailers in that video of Daniela
have now grown into the settlement of
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Kedumim, where she still lives.
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Supported by some in the Israeli
government, Daniela's viewed by others
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as a dangerous extremist.
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She'd agreed to talk to me at home.
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Nice to see you.
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So we've got pictures of you as a young
woman.
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Is the one of you getting married, is
that the oldest one?
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This is when we got together. I was then
15 or something.
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Your parents were from?
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My mother was born in Warsaw.
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My parents came here and invested
fortunes, believing that
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someday there will be a Jewish state.
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With their vision and their faith, I
continue to expand
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Israel and to be as close as possible to
the promised land.
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This is your map.
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So this is what most of the world knows
as the West Bank, which you call Judea
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and Samaria.
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This is what you call occupied West
Bank. And what the Palestinians would
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to see is a future state of their own.
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Oh, they are not satisfied with this,
but complicated issue.
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These little pink wedges, what do they
represent?
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The Jewish communities that were
established.
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since 1967.
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I'm curious to know roughly how many
settlements and outposts you've been,
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say, in some way involved in the
establishment. Almost everyone.
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For real? It's 50 years.
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You know what it means, 50 years, that I
do what I do today?
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Because it's territory that was won in
the 1967 war, under the Geneva
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Convention, transferring a civilian
population into a conquered terrain.
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that that's considered a war crime.
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What I do here is a war crime. According
to the UN.
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And you're cooperating with the person
who committed the war crime? Well, I'm
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interviewing you.
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It's a light felony.
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I've read a couple of things suggesting
that you were viewed as an extremist and
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possibly sympathizing with Jewish or
Israeli terror.
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The confrontation is not over terror.
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The confrontation is just on whether yes
or no.
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This quote, so alarming is the
situation. It's talking about the
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settlers and what they describe as
settler extremism and violence.
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Last week, Ronan Barr, the head of
Israel's security service, wrote to
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Netanyahu, the prime minister and the
defense minister, warning that what he
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called Jewish terror.
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by violent settlers was doing
indescribable damage to Israel.
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The reason Ronen Bar says that I'm
extremist has nothing to do with terror.
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Whatever I represent threatens his
peaceful, secular life.
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I have nothing to do with terror. He
knows I have nothing to do with terror.
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And he insists on saying it.
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It's a lie.
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And he knows.
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Does that really explain it? He doesn't
like me.
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Because I have a lot of influence, much
more than he is.
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Influence over who?
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The young generation that is growing in
Israel.
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And government too?
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And government what? Do you have
influence over government?
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No question. Who did all this?
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Can you call Netanyahu?
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What do you mean? Like this?
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No, I call his name.
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So the idea is to force the government
by putting people, starts with small
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settlements, then they get bigger, then
they get recognized by the state of
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Israel and basically creating a new
demographic reality.
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We do not force the government.
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We do for governments what they cannot
do for themselves.
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Even if you take Netanyahu now, he is
very happy with what we do here and also
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about our plans.
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to build Jewish communities in Gaza.
He's happy about it, but he cannot say
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He says the opposite.
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It's not realistic.
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Good!
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We will make it realistic.
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It's not forcing the government. It's
helping the government.
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It's step number one in politics.
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You don't force the government. You give
the government the courage.
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the ability, the public support, the
political support.
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I think you understand what I said, even
if you disagree.
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There was something unsettling about
hearing Daniela's ethno -nationalist
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being laid out so plainly, especially
when I considered the support she
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to have from some in power.
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With their backing, the settlement
project has accelerated, with many of
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going to live in West Bank settlements
coming from other countries.
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Anyone from anywhere in the world with
Jewish heritage, since they qualify for
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Israeli citizenship, can live in a
settlement.
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Have you ever been to Judea? Well,
consider this an invitation, because I
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try to describe it to you in words, but
it would be impossible.
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Ari Abramovitz was born and raised in
Texas.
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He now helps run Arugot Farm, a small
retreat hosting birthdays, weddings and
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corporate events, often catering to
tourists.
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The farm was established as an outpost
in 2014, illegally, according to
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international law, on land deep inside
the occupied West Bank.
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Hi!
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We're going to Aragot Farm.
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Thank you.
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Are you Ari?
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I am.
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There you are.
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How are you doing? Good to meet you.
Welcome, welcome.
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Nice to meet you. Louis.
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Louis. Louis. Yes. Louis.
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Louis. Louis. Yes.
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Or Louis. I don't mind too much. Welcome
to Judea. How are you doing? You've
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come armed.
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But we're so friendly. I know how it
looks. I know it's not true.
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So this is our synagogue.
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And I remember when I first came here, I
wanted to build my house here.
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And then I learned that according to
Jewish law, you build the synagogue in
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highest place, which makes sense.
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Well, my home is going to be lording
over the synagogue. That wouldn't be
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These are the Torah scrolls.
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Is it weird to have your guns on in
here?
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No. My gun is here to protect.
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the nation of Israel from those that
seek to harm us. And during a service,
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would you typically wear them?
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Yes. Is it that dangerous?
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It is until it's not.
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Thank God never had any issues of
infiltrations here.
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And I think it's because they know that
we're ready for it.
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How old were you when you came to
Israel?
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I think I was 16.
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And I came here after high school to
study Torah. It was supposed to be a few
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months. It's called the gap year
program.
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When you breathe the air, when you taste
that, when you feel mission and passion
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and life, you can't go back.
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This is where I choose to come and pray
with the creator of heaven and earth.
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I think this is the most beautiful place
in the world, right here.
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Where's the nearest Palestinian town?
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I'm so uncomfortable using the word
Palestinian because I don't think that
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exists. You don't think they really
exist?
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I don't think that they exist as a real
nation with a real claim to this land.
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What are they then?
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They are Arabs.
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With a connection to this land? Yes,
they have a connection to it. It's
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near the...
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depth, and... I mean, we were in this
land planting vineyards before Muhammad
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was in the third grade.
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Is that a settlement there? That is a
Jewish settlement called Pneukadem.
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Pneukadem. Which means facing the east,
face to the east. Would that be
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considered legal under Israeli law?
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I don't know.
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You don't really care. I don't. I don't
care at all.
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At all. I don't care at all.
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I mean... Why don't you care?
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This land here in the heart of Judea,
There's some things that transcend the
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whims of legislation.
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And this is one of those things.
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For millions of Palestinians up and down
the West Bank, the presence of settlers
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makes life precarious.
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They live under Israeli military law.
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Restricted from most Israeli roads,
subject to frequent run -ins with the
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authorities and detention without trial,
in a legal system that is opaque and
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arbitrary.
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Israel says the measures are necessary
for security.
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I was in the south Hebron hills during
the olive harvest, a time when tensions
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run high.
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With Palestinians prevented from getting
to trees they say they've harvested for
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years.
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How are you doing?
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I was curious to see the interactions
for myself.
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I'd heard from an Israeli activist group
they were trying to help a farmer named
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Ishak Jabarin.
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Louie, Salam. What's happening here
today?
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For the settlements, this is the one
that is close to us, Abu Ghail.
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This one.
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You have this one in front of you, a
little bit higher.
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The settlement of Sousi. This is Sousi.
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People are even afraid to come to the
land.
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Why? Because of the attacks of the
settlers.
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They beat people, they humiliate people,
they kill people.
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Even if we have a peace movement, we
cannot reach the land.
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The army arrived.
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A nearby settlement had allegedly called
them to report the olive picking.
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One of those on the scene was a long
-time Israeli activist, mathematician
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Smith. Kobi, do you know what they're
doing right now? The army has said
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got to leave in five minutes.
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And now the landowner has to make a
choice if to try to insist
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on staying here and taking a risk.
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They're liable to do anything.
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They can arrest the Palestinians, they
can arrest us, who knows what they might
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do. Have you been arrested before?
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Do you think he would have been
arrested?
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40 % of all Palestinian men have been
arrested, so probably.
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Your response?
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British television.
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Passport.
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Thank you.
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Can I ask why you're taking my passport?
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I need to check.
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Check what?
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Check what?
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Nothing. They don't check nothing. They
just want to scare us.
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If he kept picking, he would have been
arrested?
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No, it's not to arrest.
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It's just to evacuate the area.
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Meaning what, though, if he says I'm not
leaving?
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I'm grateful we didn't get to that part.
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Because what would happen?
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I actually don't... As a soldier, you
would have to, what, detain him?
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That... I'd rather not speaking it.
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Alongside their interactions with the
army, Palestinians throughout the West
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Bank also suffer attacks by settlers.
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These videos come from the South Hebron
Hills where I'd seen the olive picking.
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In the town of Tawani, a settler was
caught on camera shooting and severely
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injuring a Palestinian man.
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The shooter had his gun license revoked.
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But he was never arrested.
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I'd heard of other similar incidents.
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In the same town of Tawani, I'd made
contact with a 20 -year -old Palestinian
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student and local activist named Mohamed
Hourani.
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He offered to take me to the top of the
hill to meet his neighbor who lives at a
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spot closest to a settlement.
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Louis, it's nice to meet you.
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Thank you for having us.
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Mosab Roubaix's house still bears the
scars of what he says were settler
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attacks.
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You can see, like, from the window, the
bullets.
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So there's bullets that have come
through here?
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Yeah, from this window and that window.
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This and this one.
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Where that bright light is?
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Yes. So what is that?
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Is that an outpost or what is that? Is
there anyone in there?
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Hang on, something's happening.
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What is it?
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Are they coming in?
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They are screaming to us.
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And they are now delivering the gun.
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They are laying around the rock.
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It happens most every day.
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What do we do? Just stay in here?
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Yeah, we are inside.
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Matan, what do you think?
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It's not safe at the moment. There's
probably multiple guns pointing at us.
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Yeah, let's wait.
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What can we do? Can we call the police?
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Which police?
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I mean, they are one regime.
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That doesn't worry you?
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No, because, I mean, we're raised in
this situation, so it became a normal
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reality for us.
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When you are a kid, you just feel this
army invading your home in the day, on
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the night. You grow up on this unjust
reality that it became normal for you as
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human, but it's not normal for anybody,
and no one should accept it.
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After more than an hour, the soldiers
appeared to lose interest, and the crew
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and I slipped away.
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The violence committed by some settlers
is often justified by them as a response
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to violence they experience from
Palestinians, which is much less
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Nevertheless, it's hard to disentangle
it from an ideology of the superiority
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one group and their rights over another,
promoted by leaders like Daniela Weiss.
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Hiya, how are you?
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I'm coming.
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Hoping for more insight into her and her
work, I was back.
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I have a meeting.
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So, do have a seat.
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Thank you.
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So we'll just wait.
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Great.
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Okay, from now on, follow me if you want
to know.
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Are we leaving?
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So we're going to meet you there. All
right.
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I was joining Daniela and some friends
of hers in a convoy heading towards
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Mission unclear.
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Two hours later, we were one kilometer
from the Gaza border in the Israeli town
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of Sderot, arriving at a yeshiva.
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a religious school, where Daniela took
part in an assembly alongside two
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prominent rabbis.
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What's happening next, Daniela?
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Shall we follow you?
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We'll follow her.
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Our next stop was a memorial for the
victims of October 7th.
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Derot had seen heavy fighting during the
Hamas attack and suffered many losses.
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For some passes by, Daniela held a
degree of celebrity status.
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Then the settler convoy arrived at what
seemed to be its destination,
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a viewpoint overlooking the war zone.
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Daniela had told me she'd signed up 800
families who were ready to move into
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Gaza. One of her team explained how it
would work.
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The idea seemed to be to get spiritual
buy -in from the two rabbis.
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One of them was next to speak, Rabbi Dov
Lior.
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Israel is the only country that has
saved the people of Israel.
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And all of Gaza, and all of Lebanon, all
of this needs to be cleaned, to clean
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the country from the Greek streets.
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Whoever will save, will save. Whoever
will not save, I tell you in clean
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language, will save there. Even if it
costs money, if it costs less money, you
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have to buy the weapons, the explosive
weapons and everything you need to
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in them.
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I don't talk to them anymore.
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I haven't talked to them for years.
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I don't talk to them. I don't have any.
Do it. Do it.
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Do it.
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As the day ended, we were following
Daniela's car, driving on what seemed to
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army -controlled land, approaching ever
closer to the Gaza border.
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It had previously been reported that
Daniela had been illegally escorted
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into Gaza by soldiers who supported her
to recce locations for settlement.
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Suddenly, her vehicle broke away.
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On this occasion, she was intercepted.
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So basically, she had a military escort
and then she just peeled away and made a
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sprint for the border. The Gulf.
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Yeah.
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She just tried to run away from the
army, hasn't she? Yeah.
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Did you try and make a dash for the Gaza
border? What was happening down there?
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I enjoyed it so much.
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Our two jeeps drew too much attention.
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But what's the idea? Why do you want to
go down to the Gaza? You want to enter
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Gaza? No.
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What I wanted to do, I wanted to show
the rabbis that Gaza
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is not something beyond reach.
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Would you say October 7th made people
more receptive to your message and to
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point of view?
480
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,640
No doubt.
481
00:36:04,170 --> 00:36:10,850
The October 7th naturally made people
more receptive to the
482
00:36:10,850 --> 00:36:12,690
idea of the great Israel.
483
00:36:13,770 --> 00:36:20,610
But the next step, Jewish settlements in
Gaza, is a very difficult step
484
00:36:20,610 --> 00:36:27,110
that demands a lot of work. You have to
influence the leftists, the government,
485
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:32,710
the nations of the world, using the
magic system.
486
00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:36,460
Zionism. You redeem the land.
487
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,220
You establish communities.
488
00:36:40,060 --> 00:36:42,260
You bring Jewish families.
489
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,980
You live Jewish life.
490
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,900
And this will bring light instead of
darkness.
491
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,840
And this is how the state of Israel was
established.
492
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,360
And this is what we want to do in Gaza.
493
00:36:58,820 --> 00:37:04,560
This process of making the whole of the
West Bank and Gaza Jewish.
494
00:37:05,420 --> 00:37:07,580
Do you feel like it's moving more
quickly?
495
00:37:08,020 --> 00:37:13,660
As far as Judea and Samaria is
concerned, so we want to move from one
496
00:37:13,660 --> 00:37:14,660
two million.
497
00:37:15,740 --> 00:37:17,440
So this is the next step.
498
00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:19,640
This is my vision.
499
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,100
I'm so complicated.
500
00:37:34,220 --> 00:37:40,280
Daniela's vision has been made possible
by the Israeli occupation, but it in
501
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,680
turn has led to the creation of a vast
military infrastructure which impacts
502
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,920
every aspect of Palestinian life.
503
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:51,260
Nowhere is it more evident than in
Hebron.
504
00:37:54,260 --> 00:38:01,220
Hebron is an ancient biblical city, home
to some 200 ,000 Palestinians, a place
505
00:38:01,220 --> 00:38:03,120
holy to three major religions.
506
00:38:07,150 --> 00:38:08,190
Hi, how are you?
507
00:38:08,610 --> 00:38:11,610
We're from the British TV crew.
508
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:21,130
In 1968, the year after it was occupied
by Israel, a community of Jewish
509
00:38:21,130 --> 00:38:22,490
settlers moved in illegally.
510
00:38:23,710 --> 00:38:28,470
They now number around 700, existing in
a cordon of military protection.
511
00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:34,790
I visited in 2010 when I'd spent time
with a settler leader.
512
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,620
Now, 14 years on, I was curious about
life within the Palestinian community.
513
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:43,479
I'm Louis.
514
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,200
Hi, Louis. Nice to meet you. Welcome.
515
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:46,500
Thank you for having us.
516
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:53,000
Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, was
born here in the settler -occupied area.
517
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,500
You've got fences all around? All
around.
518
00:38:57,020 --> 00:38:58,060
Fences from here?
519
00:38:58,260 --> 00:39:01,000
Yeah. Who lives on the other side?
Israeli settlers.
520
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:03,920
We've got army there. What are they
doing?
521
00:39:04,180 --> 00:39:05,320
Have they come for a reason?
522
00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:08,520
No, they come for intimidation.
523
00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:09,820
How are you?
524
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,080
They're not speaking, but I think what
they would say is, well, we're here to
525
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:24,000
provide security for the settlers who
live here and want to live in
526
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,200
peace and experience animosity from the
Palestinians.
527
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:33,180
So they want to live in peace at the
expense of my basic human rights.
528
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,080
Lead the way. Yes.
529
00:39:59,220 --> 00:40:03,400
For nearly 20 years, Issa has been an
advocate for non -violent resistance
530
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,520
against the occupation.
531
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,660
He is one of around 30 ,000 Palestinians
living inside the high -security area
532
00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:13,200
of Hebron, the so -called sterile zone.
533
00:40:13,660 --> 00:40:18,180
For them, just doing their shopping,
going to work or going to school means
534
00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:19,940
passing through military checkpoints.
535
00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:21,720
Let's see how it works.
536
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,300
Hi. Hi.
537
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,320
How are you guys doing? Good, how are
you?
538
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,300
Fine. Everything OK?
539
00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:29,800
I need your passport, please.
540
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:37,160
all of you okay uh sure what for why
check why how are you
541
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,460
doing mate how are you doing hi why are
you covering your faces because of the
542
00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:47,580
cold no no no come on guys don't hide
only gangs hide their faces you are a
543
00:40:47,580 --> 00:40:51,420
military you should have your faces you
know obvious to everybody do you know
544
00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:52,420
you know it's a
545
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,460
He says it's making life very difficult
to have this military presence here.
546
00:40:58,580 --> 00:41:01,220
What are you all doing here? What am I
doing here? I'm making a documentary.
547
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:02,960
Documentary? For British television.
548
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,098
Of what?
549
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:06,500
About settlers in the West Bank.
550
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:08,080
Settlers in the West Bank? Yes.
551
00:41:08,540 --> 00:41:12,660
Okay, and what do you tell to the
television about the settlement?
552
00:41:13,020 --> 00:41:15,440
It's not about what I'm telling them.
It's about what I'm hearing from the
553
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,080
people who I speak to. Where do you
live?
554
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,220
I don't want to tell you. Okay.
555
00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:20,940
I told you where I was staying.
556
00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:25,120
Say that again. What does that mean?
557
00:41:25,980 --> 00:41:29,300
It's enjoy from the trip in Hebron here.
558
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,020
Thank you. Wish you all the best, guys.
559
00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:32,780
How is life here?
560
00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:35,220
You're very well armed.
561
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,820
Is there a situation here that needs
careful control?
562
00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:42,300
What is it? Tell me about it.
563
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:50,480
What was he saying about
564
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,480
Arabi?
565
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,340
No, he wanted to see if you are an Arab.
He asked you, do you speak Arabic?
566
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,700
Hello, how are you doing? What's up?
Hey, how are you doing?
567
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:00,839
I'm doing excellent.
568
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,760
American? What do I look, Chinese?
569
00:42:03,140 --> 00:42:04,220
Yeah, from Brooklyn?
570
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:05,759
You bet.
571
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,560
Let me just pull over to the side. Okay.
572
00:42:10,780 --> 00:42:12,660
Do you know him? No, he doesn't live
here.
573
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,160
You okay?
574
00:42:17,180 --> 00:42:18,180
Do you need help?
575
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,320
You okay?
576
00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:20,620
No.
577
00:42:20,750 --> 00:42:22,290
Are you stuck? Are you in a rut?
578
00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:26,750
Why are you filming me?
579
00:42:28,330 --> 00:42:31,030
It's all good. Don't worry. We can't
even see your face. Look, you're
580
00:42:31,170 --> 00:42:32,550
No one can even see who you are.
581
00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:34,448
Don't worry.
582
00:42:34,450 --> 00:42:37,770
I don't know what to do with you. I have
work to do. Get on with your work.
583
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:38,348
You're fine.
584
00:42:38,350 --> 00:42:43,270
You stay here in the checkpost and
filming everything. You can't do this
585
00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:46,910
okay? Come with me. Wait, no, you can't
do that. Come with me. No, no, no, no,
586
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:47,428
no, no.
587
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:49,950
Don't touch me. You just touched me.
Don't touch me. No violence.
588
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:51,980
Listen to me. I'm listening.
589
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:53,700
Come, come to me.
590
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,920
I'm from the military, okay?
591
00:42:57,580 --> 00:42:59,420
IDF, Israel Defense Forces.
592
00:42:59,860 --> 00:43:02,040
I'm above the police here in the West
Bank.
593
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,280
I'm the highest responsibility of law.
594
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,160
We'll tell you like this, okay?
595
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:14,360
And this man, IDF, I need to tell you,
not staying here.
596
00:43:14,670 --> 00:43:16,450
Okay, we'll move along. That's fine.
597
00:43:16,690 --> 00:43:17,408
Okay, leave.
598
00:43:17,410 --> 00:43:23,130
Leave this place. Leave this area, okay?
Right now. Let's go. Okay. Let's go.
599
00:43:27,150 --> 00:43:28,590
So who lives here?
600
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:29,870
Palestinian families.
601
00:43:30,310 --> 00:43:31,650
And where are they?
602
00:43:31,930 --> 00:43:33,550
They are hiding behind the indoors.
603
00:43:33,850 --> 00:43:36,330
What would stop these shops from being
open?
604
00:43:36,930 --> 00:43:40,270
It's closed by military orders.
605
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,340
and marked as closed shops.
606
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:45,680
It's marked.
607
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:50,460
From this shop would be five families at
least live and earn their living.
608
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,620
Look, this is something new.
609
00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:57,040
This not to hire Arab workers in Israel.
610
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,700
Two faces, a face of an Arab and a face
of a Turk.
611
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,020
This is how they stereotype us.
612
00:44:07,540 --> 00:44:08,540
Middle finger.
613
00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:11,320
He gave you the middle finger?
614
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,160
To you two. You think it was to me? To
you. I think it was to you. To you.
615
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,400
To both of us.
616
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,380
Because you deserve the middle finger if
you report about Palestinian.
617
00:44:26,180 --> 00:44:27,180
ID, please.
618
00:44:40,270 --> 00:44:41,270
For what reason?
619
00:44:42,810 --> 00:44:44,230
The police.
620
00:44:45,550 --> 00:44:46,550
Yes.
621
00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:49,510
That one?
622
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:54,850
But I know that I'm allowed to be here.
623
00:44:55,070 --> 00:44:57,190
You are not allowed.
624
00:44:58,030 --> 00:45:00,550
Why can't he be with us?
625
00:45:00,830 --> 00:45:02,910
There are limits for Palestinians.
626
00:45:03,450 --> 00:45:07,050
If he lives here, he can't.
627
00:45:07,650 --> 00:45:08,750
Here, no.
628
00:45:10,090 --> 00:45:11,290
Give me your ID, please.
629
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:14,450
How come Palestinians can't come down
here?
630
00:45:14,770 --> 00:45:15,770
It's not worked like that.
631
00:45:16,610 --> 00:45:18,130
Which camera? We're not talking to you.
632
00:45:20,050 --> 00:45:24,530
It seems ironic that that's the visitor
centre, right, for tourists and whatnot,
633
00:45:24,670 --> 00:45:28,850
and he can't actually visit in his own
city.
634
00:45:34,610 --> 00:45:36,250
You knew that was going to happen.
635
00:45:37,330 --> 00:45:40,950
No. It's new that they asked me to come
back to here.
636
00:45:41,770 --> 00:45:46,870
They told me that I'm allowed only to
here, so they expanded the closed area
637
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:48,150
me. What's it all about?
638
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:54,310
Taking more and more land. It's about
fragmented life, restricted life for
639
00:45:54,310 --> 00:45:59,730
Palestinians, no quality life. You live
with the basics, even with less than
640
00:45:59,730 --> 00:46:04,410
basic of family needs, to make you live.
641
00:46:04,890 --> 00:46:07,510
And they are doing well. The majority of
the houses are empty.
642
00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:11,470
The families are leaving.
643
00:46:12,030 --> 00:46:17,450
You could flip it and say, well, if they
really wanted to occupy the whole of
644
00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:22,490
Hebron, or at least this area, they
could literally deport Palestinians.
645
00:46:23,090 --> 00:46:28,570
They do it slowly, but now they are
speeding up. They want approval from
646
00:46:28,570 --> 00:46:31,110
allies and their partners in the world.
647
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:32,590
Is it worth...
648
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,640
going through to see the other side yes
i can see what it looks like
649
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:47,340
this
650
00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:53,800
gives you a little flavor of what it was
like in there before yes the market was
651
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:59,740
much more busy inside it was our oxford
street inside so busy my father used to
652
00:46:59,740 --> 00:47:03,130
hold my arm not to lose me not anymore
It's closed completely, restricted.
653
00:47:03,590 --> 00:47:07,330
In order to get back in, we can't go
through there now because they've closed
654
00:47:07,330 --> 00:47:09,350
it. It's closed. So how do we get back
in?
655
00:47:10,110 --> 00:47:12,390
You try from another checkpoint.
656
00:47:17,110 --> 00:47:18,110
Through here?
657
00:47:18,490 --> 00:47:19,490
Yes.
658
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:25,390
Louis.
659
00:47:26,090 --> 00:47:26,968
Coming through?
660
00:47:26,970 --> 00:47:29,010
Yes. All right. Okay, just get on, get
on.
661
00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:43,070
So now we're on the other side of the
area where you couldn't walk before,
662
00:47:43,230 --> 00:47:46,950
right? Where they stopped you from
walking in front of the visitor center.
663
00:47:48,270 --> 00:47:51,230
But you need to get home. Yes. So what
will you do?
664
00:47:51,450 --> 00:47:52,490
I will go around again.
665
00:47:53,130 --> 00:47:58,290
I will go outside this checkpoint, go
around to enter from another checkpoint.
666
00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:02,940
And wait till the checkpoint opens to
get into my house with my son.
667
00:48:04,060 --> 00:48:05,600
You definitely can't come this way?
668
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,000
I can't come this way.
669
00:48:07,220 --> 00:48:10,060
Okay. They won't let you through? No,
they will not.
670
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,760
I'm not allowed. I was happy to meet
you. Thank you so much. Take care. Bye
671
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,760
-bye.
672
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,960
On the drive back from Hebron, I
reflected on the separate lives lived by
673
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,580
Israelis and Palestinians and the
unequal system of rights and justice.
674
00:48:42,340 --> 00:48:45,540
We ran into a traffic jam caused by a
bomb scare.
675
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:52,720
The road, the main artery in the West
Bank, is one of the few shared by
676
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:53,720
and Palestinians.
677
00:48:57,020 --> 00:48:59,640
For once, all were subject to delay.
678
00:49:04,590 --> 00:49:07,670
It was a sobering experience visiting
Hebron again.
679
00:49:09,130 --> 00:49:13,070
Isa had told me he believed life was
being made intolerable for Palestinians
680
00:49:13,070 --> 00:49:18,710
deliberately, to make them leave, and
that the process was speeding up since
681
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:19,810
October 7th.
682
00:49:20,810 --> 00:49:24,990
And it was true that some settlers I'd
met supported the deportation of
683
00:49:24,990 --> 00:49:27,670
Palestinians who won't submit to Jewish
authority.
684
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:33,910
One of them was Ari, a Texan, born and
raised in Houston.
685
00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:37,310
now resident deep inside the occupied
West Bank.
686
00:49:41,130 --> 00:49:43,570
Good to see you. Good to see you. How
are you?
687
00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:46,830
I'm a little under the weather. I'm
sorry to hear that.
688
00:49:47,390 --> 00:49:48,450
Thank you for having us back.
689
00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:53,490
Hoping to understand a little better,
I'd return to see him again.
690
00:49:53,730 --> 00:49:55,050
Okay, we're ready for the coffee.
691
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:56,690
I really hope I do this right.
692
00:49:58,050 --> 00:50:00,650
I never know if you wear those guns just
for effect.
693
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,020
I don't know what effect I'm looking
for. Do I want to look more militant?
694
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,380
no, I'm not worried about that sort of
effect.
695
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:07,900
Do you want to sit down?
696
00:50:11,780 --> 00:50:17,920
We've talked a lot about how you see the
importance of Jewish presence in
697
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,780
what's termed the biblical land of
Israel.
698
00:50:21,140 --> 00:50:26,340
Are you saying that you see Israel as
playing a role for modeling a new kind
699
00:50:26,340 --> 00:50:27,340
nationalism?
700
00:50:28,060 --> 00:50:29,060
Is that right?
701
00:50:29,660 --> 00:50:33,340
I think that all of what's happening in
the world right now is leading us as a
702
00:50:33,340 --> 00:50:39,000
nation to open our eyes to who we are.
We are the tip of the spear fighting the
703
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:44,980
battles of America and defending the
entire Western world, and not just the
704
00:50:44,980 --> 00:50:48,580
Western world, anyone who wants any
semblance of liberty and freedom in
705
00:50:48,580 --> 00:50:54,380
lives. Nevertheless, there are millions
of people up and down the area, Arabs,
706
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:55,840
Muslims, who...
707
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,860
aren't living free, right? They're
enclosed without the same rights,
708
00:51:00,860 --> 00:51:06,720
national self -determination, and in
many respects, feeling besieged. And I
709
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,120
wonder, do you see that?
710
00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:13,940
I don't have tremendous compassion for a
society that has an
711
00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:18,520
unquenchable, genocidal, theological...
712
00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:23,000
bloodlust. It's like a death cult. It
seems to me there's a danger with that
713
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,620
characterization of Palestinians.
714
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:29,740
You define them as eliminationist and
hateful and genocidal.
715
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:37,400
Yeah, I use the word death cult. That
then permits you to almost create a
716
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,060
mirror image of that. That you say,
well, if they want to do that to us,
717
00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:42,740
need to do that to them.
718
00:51:43,450 --> 00:51:48,730
I think that when you're living amongst
people who have perpetually proven, not
719
00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:53,830
only by word but by deed, that they want
your blood spilled in the streets, that
720
00:51:53,830 --> 00:51:57,650
they want to murder your children, that
they want to slay all of you, kill all
721
00:51:57,650 --> 00:52:01,910
of you in the most horrific, genocidal
way, that all of the polls showed after
722
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:05,890
October 7th that these people who you
continuously call the Palestinian
723
00:52:06,010 --> 00:52:09,250
that I reject the very premise, that
they are actually...
724
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:15,940
a real nation for a lot of reasons, I
mean... But the millions of people who
725
00:52:15,940 --> 00:52:20,680
have nothing to do with October 7th,
right? Who actually just would like to
726
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:21,680
free, full lives.
727
00:52:22,340 --> 00:52:26,820
If that's really what they wanted, they
would have had it a long time ago. They
728
00:52:26,820 --> 00:52:31,440
want to wipe Israel off the map. They
want every last Jew dead. So what's the
729
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,440
answer?
730
00:52:32,540 --> 00:52:37,880
The answer is for us to declare
sovereignty over all of Judea and
731
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:45,400
and all of the land of Israel and Gaza
and to settle Gaza and all of Judea and
732
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,360
Samaria with Jews in the land of Israel.
733
00:52:49,260 --> 00:52:50,680
Did the question annoy you?
734
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:55,500
Annoy me? I just, I hear it so often.
735
00:52:56,100 --> 00:53:00,460
and it feels like it's being addressed
again and again and again. Even if the
736
00:53:00,460 --> 00:53:05,320
entire world is pointing, accusing
fingers and gnashing their teeth in rage
737
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,000
anger, we know the righteousness and the
truth of our cause, even if we stand
738
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,360
alone. That's what it means to be a
Hebrew. That's what it means to be a
739
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,380
we know the truth of our cause, that's
all we need.
740
00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:23,140
For Ari, it was clear that nothing is
greater than the Word of God.
741
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,380
And that word had led him to believe
that it was the divine right of the
742
00:53:27,380 --> 00:53:30,140
people to settle and rule this land.
743
00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:33,040
See you later.
744
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,460
God bless and protect you.
745
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,080
Amen.
746
00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:43,060
The Bible was, as he saw it, a land deed
to the West Bank.
747
00:53:49,710 --> 00:53:54,110
With an afternoon free, I stopped for
coffee in the Palestinian city of
748
00:53:54,310 --> 00:54:01,270
surrounded by the ancient
749
00:54:01,270 --> 00:54:05,810
architecture of the old city and the
undeniable fact of the hundreds of
750
00:54:05,810 --> 00:54:09,770
thousands of people living there and
their aspirations for statehood.
751
00:54:13,740 --> 00:54:17,160
At the edge of the city, we were held up
at one of the many checkpoints that
752
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,140
control the people entering and leaving.
753
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:24,540
Can you put the gun down?
754
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,720
Where are you from?
755
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,000
From London.
756
00:54:29,020 --> 00:54:30,220
You've been in the market?
757
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:31,500
Yes.
758
00:54:31,780 --> 00:54:32,780
You also?
759
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,220
Yes. She works with you? She's American,
yes. Can you show me ID?
760
00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:39,580
Me?
761
00:54:40,180 --> 00:54:41,660
Everyone? Yeah, sure.
762
00:54:42,580 --> 00:54:46,460
It's very slow going. We've been in that
queue for an hour or more.
763
00:54:48,420 --> 00:54:52,100
How much time are you going to stay in
Israel?
764
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:54,160
Hang on, but I don't think we're in
Israel.
765
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:55,880
Huh? Are we in Israel?
766
00:54:56,820 --> 00:54:58,880
You're in Israel now? Are we? Yes.
767
00:54:59,540 --> 00:55:00,700
In the West Bank? No?
768
00:55:05,220 --> 00:55:10,120
In the north of the West Bank, I was
heading back to the settlement of
769
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,660
where I'd been hosted by Malkiel, the
horse wrangler.
770
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,060
Since my visit, I'd learned a little
more about the settlement's relations
771
00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:26,520
its neighboring Palestinian town of
Beitar, how Beitar had been subject to
772
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,820
settler attacks and how it, in turn, had
organized regular protests of the
773
00:55:30,820 --> 00:55:31,820
settlement.
774
00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:37,180
Demonstrators had been killed and others
wounded during the clashes.
775
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:43,580
One of the deaths of a Turkish -American
volunteer, Ayşenur Ezgi Egi, made
776
00:55:43,580 --> 00:55:44,580
headlines.
777
00:55:51,940 --> 00:55:56,700
Now the settlement was holding a
festival to celebrate its recent
778
00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:57,700
the Israeli state.
779
00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:05,620
Entertainments had been laid on, and
families from settlements from around
780
00:56:05,620 --> 00:56:08,740
West Bank had converged for a day of
music and activities.
781
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,560
One of those speaking was Daniela.
782
00:56:48,810 --> 00:56:52,710
How are you?
783
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:55,830
Yeah, it's a bit quieter.
784
00:56:57,190 --> 00:57:01,630
As the festivities wound down, I had a
moment to speak to Daniela on a hilltop
785
00:57:01,630 --> 00:57:04,150
overlooking the Palestinian town of Beit
Ha.
786
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,300
So you've been talking about settling,
you've talked about displacing, wanting
787
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:13,860
the Palestinians to go, you said, to
Africa, to Canada, to England, you don't
788
00:57:13,860 --> 00:57:14,598
care where.
789
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,360
What would be wrong with either a two
-state solution or a one -state solution
790
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,860
where everyone had the same rights?
791
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:27,440
We want to have a Jewish state, based on
Jewish rules, on Jewish
792
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:33,300
values, not relationship of neighbors.
Why not? Because we are two different
793
00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:34,300
nations.
794
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:41,520
Different. I just wonder whether you
feel or you're aware that, you know,
795
00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:46,520
they're really suffering and there's
been settlers rampaging through the area
796
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:50,080
the West Bank. So there's all this...
Agitation.
797
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:51,500
Yes.
798
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:58,380
Tragedy, right? Tragedy. When a people
is invaded, right, and then put under a
799
00:57:58,380 --> 00:58:03,840
military occupation, deprived of their
rights, that anger seems to be...
800
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,640
An understandable response, an
appropriate response.
801
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,060
There is no such thing as sexual
violence.
802
00:58:10,460 --> 00:58:14,300
Did I speak? I don't know if I spoke. I
don't mind saying it again.
803
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,380
And I don't mind, I will be glad to
explain it. You don't believe it's real?
804
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:20,860
There are videos, you can see them.
805
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,240
You see what?
806
00:58:22,740 --> 00:58:26,800
Okay, let's say, we have a camera right
here. Yes.
807
00:58:27,580 --> 00:58:28,600
And I do this.
808
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:30,320
Yeah.
809
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:31,480
Do something.
810
00:58:31,870 --> 00:58:33,390
You don't mind what I did to you?
811
00:58:34,430 --> 00:58:36,430
Well, I won't do that to you.
812
00:58:36,770 --> 00:58:41,470
And then the camera takes just part.
813
00:58:42,210 --> 00:58:44,510
You don't have the full picture.
814
00:58:45,590 --> 00:58:47,610
Then I say you're violent.
815
00:58:47,830 --> 00:58:49,670
You're violent against a woman.
816
00:58:50,070 --> 00:58:55,610
This is exactly what is going on all the
time with what you call
817
00:58:55,610 --> 00:58:57,790
settler violence.
818
00:58:59,790 --> 00:59:01,550
Settlers do not...
819
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:03,920
No,
820
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:15,040
no, no, no. Why should we wake up in the
morning and think about violence? Why?
821
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:16,480
Our life is good.
822
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,080
Because you want the Palestinians to
leave.
823
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,540
No, no, no, no.
824
00:59:21,820 --> 00:59:28,100
You've said so. I said that what is on
my mind all the time is how
825
00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:29,420
to bring...
826
00:59:30,060 --> 00:59:31,780
More people to settle the land.
827
00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:36,040
This is a new development by Jews.
828
00:59:36,380 --> 00:59:38,060
This is Har Bracha.
829
00:59:38,340 --> 00:59:39,500
This is Itzha.
830
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,180
Here we can develop. Here we cannot
develop.
831
00:59:43,860 --> 00:59:48,060
I never think in terms of... I know this
is beta.
832
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:51,420
I don't think about beta.
833
00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:52,660
Why not?
834
00:59:52,740 --> 00:59:56,620
Because I think about... I'm a Jew. I'm
a settler.
835
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,000
I'm a...
836
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:03,720
A human being. Yes, you are. So I do not
think about this.
837
01:00:03,940 --> 01:00:06,980
You're thinking about tribalism,
thinking of your own people to the
838
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,100
It would be understandable to think of
your own people or your own children
839
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:15,520
first, but to think about other people,
other children, not at all, that seems
840
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:16,600
sociopathic.
841
01:00:18,260 --> 01:00:19,800
I can... Doesn't it?
842
01:00:20,020 --> 01:00:22,060
No, not at all. This is normal.
843
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:27,220
To my children, I give everything
because I...
844
01:00:27,470 --> 01:00:32,290
The normal thing for me is to pray for
my own people.
845
01:00:33,710 --> 01:00:35,970
That's it. So now I continue.
846
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:40,470
I hope you push me back.
847
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:54,730
And so I said goodbye to Daniela and her
extreme ideology delivered with a
848
01:00:54,730 --> 01:00:55,730
smile.
849
01:01:01,380 --> 01:01:06,080
Fourteen years on from my first visit,
with the horror of October 7th in the
850
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,820
interim and the ongoing devastation of
Gaza,
851
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:15,960
the settler dream shows no sign of
abating, along with the dislocation,
852
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:21,600
displacement and death that follows
inevitably in its train, advanced by
853
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:26,740
ideologues, backed up by those in power
and accountable only to God.
854
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:35,680
Go online and go behind the scenes with
Louis in our exclusive Why I Made
855
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:40,420
interview as he opens up about his
experience of making The Settlers. And
856
01:01:40,420 --> 01:01:42,380
there's more Louis Theroux on iPlayer.
857
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,760
Remembering the cases that shaped their
career, detectives reveal the crime I
858
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:48,698
can't forget.
859
01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:49,700
Press red now.
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