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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,029 --> 00:00:04,750 Do you want to show where we are right now? Because I think we're quite deep 2 00:00:04,750 --> 00:00:07,230 inside what are called the Palestinian territories. 3 00:00:08,029 --> 00:00:11,670 What you call the Palestinian territories, I call it the heart of 4 00:00:12,150 --> 00:00:16,350 If you say the Palestinian territories, you're essentially already saying that 5 00:00:16,350 --> 00:00:22,170 this right here, right here is going to be a jihadist Palestinian. 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,880 state right in the heart of israel not only in the heart of israel we're 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,720 about like but why do you say jihadist why not why couldn't it just be a 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,880 palestinian state okay to understand the arab way of thinking that they 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:41,020 understand there's a war they win the war if they get territory they lose the 10 00:00:41,020 --> 00:00:45,460 war if they lose territory you could flip that and say well that's what in a 11 00:00:45,460 --> 00:00:50,240 sense you're doing that's what i aspire to do that's what i aspire to do 12 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,560 Beyond the eastern edge of Israel is the Palestinian territory of the West Bank. 13 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,940 It was occupied in war by Israel in 1967. 14 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:13,160 Since then, hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers have moved here 15 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,620 under international law. 16 00:01:16,100 --> 00:01:21,660 Among them, a group of religious nationalists who see it as their divine 17 00:01:21,660 --> 00:01:23,100 to build a greater Israel. 18 00:01:24,780 --> 00:01:28,340 and drive out the Palestinians who've been here for generations. 19 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,680 I made a film about them in 2011. 20 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,340 But now, since the attack of October 7th, I'd heard that they were 21 00:01:40,340 --> 00:01:41,540 the settlement process. 22 00:01:43,380 --> 00:01:44,580 Why are you filming me? 23 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,380 While being protected by the Israeli military. 24 00:01:50,340 --> 00:01:52,640 I'd come to try to understand their mindset. 25 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,880 and to see the consequences of their ultra -nationalist vision up close. 26 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:05,920 They don't see us as equal human beings who deserve the same rights they do. 27 00:02:21,870 --> 00:02:23,730 I was close to Israel's southern border. 28 00:02:24,130 --> 00:02:27,790 At a viewpoint, tourists were surveying the ruins of Gaza. 29 00:02:30,110 --> 00:02:34,990 The Palestinian death toll at this point was more than 43 ,000 and rising. 30 00:02:36,290 --> 00:02:41,010 In a war that had commenced a year earlier, after Hamas gunmen attacked 31 00:02:41,010 --> 00:02:45,770 communities, killing more than a thousand and taking hundreds more 32 00:02:59,220 --> 00:03:04,580 Now with bombs falling nearby, settlers from across the West Bank were holding a 33 00:03:04,580 --> 00:03:11,000 jamboree to promote the idea of putting new Jewish outposts in Gaza, with 34 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,780 workshops offering practical advice while a vanguard made their case in 35 00:03:15,780 --> 00:03:16,780 the world's media. 36 00:03:17,900 --> 00:03:19,300 How are you doing, Louis? 37 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:20,660 Nice to meet you, Orvit. 38 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,500 Orvit, and why are you here today? 39 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:23,800 To show support. 40 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:27,560 and that I believe that Gaza is ours and that we need to be living there. 41 00:03:28,420 --> 00:03:31,980 To those Palestinians who say, well, we'd like to live in a Palestinian 42 00:03:32,220 --> 00:03:33,220 what do you say? 43 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:38,020 The Bible says this place was given to the Jews. This place is ours. 44 00:03:38,260 --> 00:03:39,239 Ours meaning? 45 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:40,240 It's a Jewish name. 46 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:44,739 What's your name? 47 00:03:44,740 --> 00:03:46,580 Aaron. Aaron, nice to meet you. Louis. 48 00:03:47,050 --> 00:03:50,750 Where are you from? I'm from Hebron. And before that, until I was nine years 49 00:03:50,750 --> 00:03:54,630 old, lived in New York. And then my parents made a riyah to Israel. 50 00:03:55,630 --> 00:03:56,609 We're here. 51 00:03:56,610 --> 00:03:58,550 Call our government to go and settle Gaza. 52 00:03:58,790 --> 00:04:02,730 We're here because we have a right to be here. Our right to be in this land is 53 00:04:02,730 --> 00:04:04,530 the Torah, is the godly promise. 54 00:04:05,170 --> 00:04:07,630 Where we don't settle, terror grows. 55 00:04:11,390 --> 00:04:14,350 Among the attendees were many senior political figures. 56 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,100 including Israel's Minister of National Security. 57 00:04:32,420 --> 00:04:33,420 In 58 00:04:33,420 --> 00:04:40,240 his 59 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,150 youth Itamar Ben -Gavir had been convicted of incitement of racism. 60 00:04:44,910 --> 00:04:50,610 He is himself a settler, but in a sign of the changing times, he now sits in 61 00:04:50,610 --> 00:04:53,150 government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. 62 00:04:55,710 --> 00:05:00,710 Presiding over the event was the godmother of the settler movement, 63 00:05:00,710 --> 00:05:01,710 Weiss. 64 00:05:02,390 --> 00:05:06,830 Daniela, this is your event, isn't it? Tell me about what this is. No, no, no, 65 00:05:06,830 --> 00:05:07,830 not now, not now. 66 00:05:08,310 --> 00:05:09,310 Ten words. 67 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,280 No, no, no, not now, not now. 68 00:05:13,340 --> 00:05:19,840 We, the settlement movement, organized this event 69 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:26,840 in order to enhance the practical idea of 70 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:33,480 establishing Jewish settlements in the entire Gaza. 71 00:05:34,590 --> 00:05:40,850 We very much encourage and enable the population in Gaza 72 00:05:40,850 --> 00:05:43,310 to go to other countries. 73 00:05:43,550 --> 00:05:49,550 You will witness how Jews go to Gaza and Arabs disappear 74 00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:51,350 from Gaza. 75 00:05:51,590 --> 00:05:57,070 They lost their right to stay in this holy place. Please go. 76 00:05:57,390 --> 00:05:58,770 Thank you very much. 77 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:10,160 From up on a nearby hill, there came the sound of protesting. 78 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,640 An Israeli group demonstrating for a thief fire and the return of hostages 79 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:20,640 by Hamas. 80 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,000 What are you doing here? 81 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,500 I think the idea of resettling Gaza is absolutely ridiculous. 82 00:06:28,260 --> 00:06:32,020 The question is, what kind of country do we want to be? Do we want to be a 83 00:06:32,020 --> 00:06:33,020 colonising country? 84 00:06:33,300 --> 00:06:35,600 Or do we want to be a country that at least... 85 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,740 who offers peace and wants to live in peace with the Palestinians. 86 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,540 That has to be what we strive for. 87 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,020 I'd been hoping for a moment with Daniela, but then came a warning of a 88 00:06:52,020 --> 00:06:55,300 rocket attack and the event was quickly evacuated. 89 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,920 Let's grab the cameras and let's go. 90 00:07:12,810 --> 00:07:17,810 For Jewish settlers, Gaza is the latest frontier in a process that's been 91 00:07:17,810 --> 00:07:20,130 unfolding for decades across the West Bank. 92 00:07:21,410 --> 00:07:27,230 A region of not much more than 5 ,000 square kilometers, the West Bank is home 93 00:07:27,230 --> 00:07:33,490 to around 3 million Palestinians, most of them living in large cities with 94 00:07:33,490 --> 00:07:36,050 limited autonomy under the Palestinian Authority. 95 00:07:39,470 --> 00:07:43,550 The Israeli military occupied the area in the Six -Day War in 1967. 96 00:07:45,210 --> 00:07:49,370 Since then, hundreds of thousands of Israelis have moved in to form 97 00:07:49,650 --> 00:07:55,770 hoping to expand Jewish presence in the region or simply looking for cheap 98 00:07:55,770 --> 00:07:56,770 housing. 99 00:07:59,070 --> 00:08:03,990 Often they start out as a few tents or caravans pitched by ultra -ideological 100 00:08:03,990 --> 00:08:07,110 settlers on hilltops next to Palestinian towns. 101 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,700 These are known as outposts. 102 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,940 They are illegal under Israeli law until they are authorized as settlements. 103 00:08:17,140 --> 00:08:21,080 But both settlements and outposts are illegal under international law. 104 00:08:21,860 --> 00:08:24,120 The army nevertheless protects them. 105 00:08:25,220 --> 00:08:26,980 Hello. How are you? 106 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,720 Everything's great. Where are you from? London, England. 107 00:08:30,020 --> 00:08:30,839 Oh, nice. 108 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:31,839 Where are you from? 109 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,320 Russia. Russia. 110 00:08:34,940 --> 00:08:37,700 Most settlements tend to be suspicious of media. 111 00:08:39,299 --> 00:08:42,220 But I'd managed to get an appointment at one called Eviatar. 112 00:08:43,659 --> 00:08:47,720 It had started out as an outpost on the edge of the Palestinian town of Beitar. 113 00:08:48,780 --> 00:08:52,600 It was only recognized as a settlement by the Israeli state a few months 114 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:53,600 earlier. 115 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,840 Hi there, good morning. Good morning, how are you? 116 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:59,380 I'm fine, how are you doing? You must be Malkiel. Yes, I am. I'm Louis, how do 117 00:08:59,380 --> 00:09:02,180 you do? I'm fine, thank you. Thank you for having us. Thank you for coming. 118 00:09:03,380 --> 00:09:07,000 One of its founders is horse wrangler Malkiel Barhai. 119 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,700 All right, so let me show you a bit about Viet Thao. 120 00:09:13,860 --> 00:09:18,180 I'm just going to have to ask you not to take any films of the army base. That's 121 00:09:18,180 --> 00:09:19,180 where they're sitting. 122 00:09:19,340 --> 00:09:22,360 So there's an army base there? This is an army base. That's where the 123 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:23,360 dormitories are. 124 00:09:23,500 --> 00:09:26,280 And this is a house for people living here. 125 00:09:26,500 --> 00:09:29,000 The army base is for your security? For all the region's security. 126 00:09:31,420 --> 00:09:34,440 The story about Viet Thao, this was hilltop. 127 00:09:34,740 --> 00:09:37,220 It started from day one, living in tents. 128 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:42,560 And by the end of the month, we were 50 families living here in these houses. 129 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,980 All of these houses were built back then. 130 00:09:45,220 --> 00:09:46,220 Coming from where? 131 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:47,280 All over the country. 132 00:09:47,820 --> 00:09:48,820 Should we go inside? 133 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,160 All right. 134 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:53,180 It is a little untidy. 135 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:54,940 So this is where you're living at the moment? 136 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:56,240 Yes. 137 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,720 This is our humble home. 138 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,260 This is our living room, our kitchen. 139 00:10:06,410 --> 00:10:07,970 How many children do you have? Eight. 140 00:10:08,190 --> 00:10:09,950 Four boys and four girls. Wow. 141 00:10:10,290 --> 00:10:12,530 Behind here we have another kid's room. 142 00:10:13,150 --> 00:10:14,350 This is the girls' bedroom. 143 00:10:14,710 --> 00:10:17,390 Two older girls, 13 and 11, they sleep here. 144 00:10:18,710 --> 00:10:21,970 And over there is the laundry, bathroom and the shower. 145 00:10:24,670 --> 00:10:26,690 So where do you stay, Mum and Dad? 146 00:10:27,410 --> 00:10:29,770 This is me and my wife. You and your wife are in there. 147 00:10:30,550 --> 00:10:35,190 If it rains... Yeah, if it does rain, we'll go into the small caravan. 148 00:10:35,790 --> 00:10:39,390 Hopefully, we'll finish building the house before winter is here. 149 00:10:40,510 --> 00:10:45,070 Do you enjoy being out on the frontier, where it's a bit more rough and ready, 150 00:10:45,150 --> 00:10:46,910 where there's more uncertainty? 151 00:10:47,490 --> 00:10:49,850 Our mission is to settle Israel. 152 00:10:50,290 --> 00:10:54,430 New settlements all over the country. 153 00:10:55,030 --> 00:11:00,030 So most of the world sees this as the West Bank, as occupied territory. It's 154 00:11:00,030 --> 00:11:01,030 under a military... 155 00:11:01,150 --> 00:11:06,030 Occupation, correct, like it's not part of the state of Israel as most nations 156 00:11:06,030 --> 00:11:07,030 recognize it. 157 00:11:07,130 --> 00:11:11,350 The ancient name of this area is called Judea. 158 00:11:11,850 --> 00:11:16,250 The meaning of Judea is it belongs to the Jews. 159 00:11:16,750 --> 00:11:22,490 So you can't take all the history, put it in the garbage and say, OK, it does 160 00:11:22,490 --> 00:11:23,490 not belong to the Jews. 161 00:11:23,690 --> 00:11:26,090 The history says it belongs to Israel. 162 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:39,400 with a selective reading of history that ignores the Palestinians who've lived 163 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:40,620 in the land for generations. 164 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:47,160 The aim for settlements like Eviatar is to become full -fledged towns, guarded 165 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,500 round the clock by soldiers, walled off from the millions around them. 166 00:11:54,740 --> 00:11:59,300 The godmother of the Settler Project, going back more than 50 years, is the 167 00:11:59,300 --> 00:12:02,380 woman I'd seen at the Gaza border event, Daniela Weiss. 168 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:09,160 I want to see big cities here, like a city of two million people. 169 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:14,080 So it's not a settlement. Settlement is caravans, is trailers, is a home here 170 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,940 and a home there. This is not what my dream is about. 171 00:12:19,500 --> 00:12:23,640 The trailers in that video of Daniela have now grown into the settlement of 172 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,280 Kedumim, where she still lives. 173 00:12:36,069 --> 00:12:40,210 Supported by some in the Israeli government, Daniela's viewed by others 174 00:12:40,210 --> 00:12:41,830 as a dangerous extremist. 175 00:12:43,470 --> 00:12:45,370 She'd agreed to talk to me at home. 176 00:12:48,310 --> 00:12:49,310 Nice to see you. 177 00:12:49,850 --> 00:12:52,470 So we've got pictures of you as a young woman. 178 00:12:52,790 --> 00:12:55,710 Is the one of you getting married, is that the oldest one? 179 00:12:57,070 --> 00:13:01,790 This is when we got together. I was then 15 or something. 180 00:13:03,150 --> 00:13:04,390 Your parents were from? 181 00:13:05,230 --> 00:13:08,150 My mother was born in Warsaw. 182 00:13:08,470 --> 00:13:15,150 My parents came here and invested fortunes, believing that 183 00:13:15,150 --> 00:13:17,710 someday there will be a Jewish state. 184 00:13:18,170 --> 00:13:24,910 With their vision and their faith, I continue to expand 185 00:13:24,910 --> 00:13:30,030 Israel and to be as close as possible to the promised land. 186 00:13:32,970 --> 00:13:33,970 This is your map. 187 00:13:34,650 --> 00:13:38,610 So this is what most of the world knows as the West Bank, which you call Judea 188 00:13:38,610 --> 00:13:39,610 and Samaria. 189 00:13:39,850 --> 00:13:44,530 This is what you call occupied West Bank. And what the Palestinians would 190 00:13:44,530 --> 00:13:47,030 to see is a future state of their own. 191 00:13:48,150 --> 00:13:52,190 Oh, they are not satisfied with this, but complicated issue. 192 00:13:53,150 --> 00:13:56,110 These little pink wedges, what do they represent? 193 00:13:56,550 --> 00:14:00,710 The Jewish communities that were established. 194 00:14:02,339 --> 00:14:03,540 since 1967. 195 00:14:04,980 --> 00:14:11,140 I'm curious to know roughly how many settlements and outposts you've been, 196 00:14:11,140 --> 00:14:14,520 say, in some way involved in the establishment. Almost everyone. 197 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,620 For real? It's 50 years. 198 00:14:16,860 --> 00:14:20,200 You know what it means, 50 years, that I do what I do today? 199 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,200 Because it's territory that was won in the 1967 war, under the Geneva 200 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:29,360 Convention, transferring a civilian population into a conquered terrain. 201 00:14:30,250 --> 00:14:31,650 that that's considered a war crime. 202 00:14:32,390 --> 00:14:36,390 What I do here is a war crime. According to the UN. 203 00:14:36,950 --> 00:14:42,350 And you're cooperating with the person who committed the war crime? Well, I'm 204 00:14:42,350 --> 00:14:43,350 interviewing you. 205 00:14:47,530 --> 00:14:49,110 It's a light felony. 206 00:14:50,410 --> 00:14:53,890 I've read a couple of things suggesting that you were viewed as an extremist and 207 00:14:53,890 --> 00:14:57,790 possibly sympathizing with Jewish or Israeli terror. 208 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,720 The confrontation is not over terror. 209 00:15:02,060 --> 00:15:08,260 The confrontation is just on whether yes or no. 210 00:15:10,340 --> 00:15:14,540 This quote, so alarming is the situation. It's talking about the 211 00:15:14,540 --> 00:15:18,260 settlers and what they describe as settler extremism and violence. 212 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,460 Last week, Ronan Barr, the head of Israel's security service, wrote to 213 00:15:22,460 --> 00:15:25,460 Netanyahu, the prime minister and the defense minister, warning that what he 214 00:15:25,460 --> 00:15:26,760 called Jewish terror. 215 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,680 by violent settlers was doing indescribable damage to Israel. 216 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:38,360 The reason Ronen Bar says that I'm extremist has nothing to do with terror. 217 00:15:38,660 --> 00:15:45,620 Whatever I represent threatens his peaceful, secular life. 218 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:50,180 I have nothing to do with terror. He knows I have nothing to do with terror. 219 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,400 And he insists on saying it. 220 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:54,880 It's a lie. 221 00:15:55,340 --> 00:15:56,340 And he knows. 222 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,680 Does that really explain it? He doesn't like me. 223 00:16:00,340 --> 00:16:03,800 Because I have a lot of influence, much more than he is. 224 00:16:04,220 --> 00:16:05,220 Influence over who? 225 00:16:05,460 --> 00:16:08,100 The young generation that is growing in Israel. 226 00:16:08,580 --> 00:16:09,840 And government too? 227 00:16:10,260 --> 00:16:12,820 And government what? Do you have influence over government? 228 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:14,900 No question. Who did all this? 229 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:18,000 Can you call Netanyahu? 230 00:16:20,900 --> 00:16:22,560 What do you mean? Like this? 231 00:16:23,060 --> 00:16:24,820 No, I call his name. 232 00:16:26,570 --> 00:16:32,070 So the idea is to force the government by putting people, starts with small 233 00:16:32,070 --> 00:16:36,050 settlements, then they get bigger, then they get recognized by the state of 234 00:16:36,050 --> 00:16:39,090 Israel and basically creating a new demographic reality. 235 00:16:39,750 --> 00:16:41,150 We do not force the government. 236 00:16:41,370 --> 00:16:45,870 We do for governments what they cannot do for themselves. 237 00:16:48,590 --> 00:16:54,090 Even if you take Netanyahu now, he is very happy with what we do here and also 238 00:16:54,090 --> 00:16:55,150 about our plans. 239 00:16:56,090 --> 00:17:01,290 to build Jewish communities in Gaza. He's happy about it, but he cannot say 240 00:17:01,690 --> 00:17:03,050 He says the opposite. 241 00:17:04,050 --> 00:17:05,190 It's not realistic. 242 00:17:07,030 --> 00:17:08,030 Good! 243 00:17:08,530 --> 00:17:09,990 We will make it realistic. 244 00:17:10,950 --> 00:17:15,170 It's not forcing the government. It's helping the government. 245 00:17:15,910 --> 00:17:19,369 It's step number one in politics. 246 00:17:19,710 --> 00:17:23,349 You don't force the government. You give the government the courage. 247 00:17:23,869 --> 00:17:27,310 the ability, the public support, the political support. 248 00:17:29,150 --> 00:17:33,490 I think you understand what I said, even if you disagree. 249 00:17:40,210 --> 00:17:44,650 There was something unsettling about hearing Daniela's ethno -nationalist 250 00:17:44,650 --> 00:17:49,370 being laid out so plainly, especially when I considered the support she 251 00:17:49,370 --> 00:17:50,830 to have from some in power. 252 00:17:56,460 --> 00:18:00,560 With their backing, the settlement project has accelerated, with many of 253 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,580 going to live in West Bank settlements coming from other countries. 254 00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:09,640 Anyone from anywhere in the world with Jewish heritage, since they qualify for 255 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,880 Israeli citizenship, can live in a settlement. 256 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:19,100 Have you ever been to Judea? Well, consider this an invitation, because I 257 00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:22,200 try to describe it to you in words, but it would be impossible. 258 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,700 Ari Abramovitz was born and raised in Texas. 259 00:18:28,180 --> 00:18:34,720 He now helps run Arugot Farm, a small retreat hosting birthdays, weddings and 260 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,540 corporate events, often catering to tourists. 261 00:18:40,860 --> 00:18:45,760 The farm was established as an outpost in 2014, illegally, according to 262 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:50,600 international law, on land deep inside the occupied West Bank. 263 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,920 Hi! 264 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:54,860 We're going to Aragot Farm. 265 00:18:56,220 --> 00:18:57,220 Thank you. 266 00:19:02,940 --> 00:19:03,940 Are you Ari? 267 00:19:04,020 --> 00:19:04,659 I am. 268 00:19:04,660 --> 00:19:05,660 There you are. 269 00:19:05,740 --> 00:19:08,080 How are you doing? Good to meet you. Welcome, welcome. 270 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:09,800 Nice to meet you. Louis. 271 00:19:10,020 --> 00:19:11,640 Louis. Louis. Yes. Louis. 272 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,300 Louis. Louis. Yes. 273 00:19:13,540 --> 00:19:16,600 Or Louis. I don't mind too much. Welcome to Judea. How are you doing? You've 274 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:17,600 come armed. 275 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:22,060 But we're so friendly. I know how it looks. I know it's not true. 276 00:19:31,590 --> 00:19:32,870 So this is our synagogue. 277 00:19:33,950 --> 00:19:37,570 And I remember when I first came here, I wanted to build my house here. 278 00:19:37,950 --> 00:19:41,390 And then I learned that according to Jewish law, you build the synagogue in 279 00:19:41,390 --> 00:19:43,390 highest place, which makes sense. 280 00:19:43,670 --> 00:19:46,610 Well, my home is going to be lording over the synagogue. That wouldn't be 281 00:19:47,730 --> 00:19:50,170 These are the Torah scrolls. 282 00:19:52,970 --> 00:19:55,530 Is it weird to have your guns on in here? 283 00:19:56,670 --> 00:20:00,770 No. My gun is here to protect. 284 00:20:01,930 --> 00:20:07,150 the nation of Israel from those that seek to harm us. And during a service, 285 00:20:07,330 --> 00:20:09,590 would you typically wear them? 286 00:20:10,050 --> 00:20:12,070 Yes. Is it that dangerous? 287 00:20:13,730 --> 00:20:14,950 It is until it's not. 288 00:20:16,130 --> 00:20:20,210 Thank God never had any issues of infiltrations here. 289 00:20:21,170 --> 00:20:25,250 And I think it's because they know that we're ready for it. 290 00:20:26,110 --> 00:20:27,930 How old were you when you came to Israel? 291 00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:29,410 I think I was 16. 292 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,140 And I came here after high school to study Torah. It was supposed to be a few 293 00:20:34,140 --> 00:20:36,060 months. It's called the gap year program. 294 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:42,240 When you breathe the air, when you taste that, when you feel mission and passion 295 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,060 and life, you can't go back. 296 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,480 This is where I choose to come and pray with the creator of heaven and earth. 297 00:20:57,610 --> 00:21:00,050 I think this is the most beautiful place in the world, right here. 298 00:21:00,850 --> 00:21:02,850 Where's the nearest Palestinian town? 299 00:21:03,310 --> 00:21:08,010 I'm so uncomfortable using the word Palestinian because I don't think that 300 00:21:08,010 --> 00:21:10,330 exists. You don't think they really exist? 301 00:21:10,670 --> 00:21:17,090 I don't think that they exist as a real nation with a real claim to this land. 302 00:21:17,310 --> 00:21:18,310 What are they then? 303 00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:19,630 They are Arabs. 304 00:21:20,090 --> 00:21:23,510 With a connection to this land? Yes, they have a connection to it. It's 305 00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:25,230 near the... 306 00:21:26,300 --> 00:21:31,100 depth, and... I mean, we were in this land planting vineyards before Muhammad 307 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:32,100 was in the third grade. 308 00:21:32,780 --> 00:21:37,360 Is that a settlement there? That is a Jewish settlement called Pneukadem. 309 00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:42,460 Pneukadem. Which means facing the east, face to the east. Would that be 310 00:21:42,460 --> 00:21:44,800 considered legal under Israeli law? 311 00:21:45,060 --> 00:21:45,979 I don't know. 312 00:21:45,980 --> 00:21:48,240 You don't really care. I don't. I don't care at all. 313 00:21:49,060 --> 00:21:50,720 At all. I don't care at all. 314 00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:52,320 I mean... Why don't you care? 315 00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:58,400 This land here in the heart of Judea, There's some things that transcend the 316 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,700 whims of legislation. 317 00:22:01,580 --> 00:22:04,420 And this is one of those things. 318 00:22:12,140 --> 00:22:16,880 For millions of Palestinians up and down the West Bank, the presence of settlers 319 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,280 makes life precarious. 320 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,420 They live under Israeli military law. 321 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,280 Restricted from most Israeli roads, subject to frequent run -ins with the 322 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:33,980 authorities and detention without trial, in a legal system that is opaque and 323 00:22:33,980 --> 00:22:34,980 arbitrary. 324 00:22:36,460 --> 00:22:39,140 Israel says the measures are necessary for security. 325 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,160 I was in the south Hebron hills during the olive harvest, a time when tensions 326 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,160 run high. 327 00:22:49,310 --> 00:22:53,070 With Palestinians prevented from getting to trees they say they've harvested for 328 00:22:53,070 --> 00:22:54,070 years. 329 00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:56,250 How are you doing? 330 00:22:57,310 --> 00:23:00,150 I was curious to see the interactions for myself. 331 00:23:02,410 --> 00:23:07,110 I'd heard from an Israeli activist group they were trying to help a farmer named 332 00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:08,290 Ishak Jabarin. 333 00:23:10,970 --> 00:23:14,750 Louie, Salam. What's happening here today? 334 00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:23,810 For the settlements, this is the one that is close to us, Abu Ghail. 335 00:23:24,150 --> 00:23:25,150 This one. 336 00:23:25,210 --> 00:23:27,590 You have this one in front of you, a little bit higher. 337 00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:31,270 The settlement of Sousi. This is Sousi. 338 00:23:32,110 --> 00:23:34,650 People are even afraid to come to the land. 339 00:23:35,230 --> 00:23:37,870 Why? Because of the attacks of the settlers. 340 00:23:38,150 --> 00:23:40,670 They beat people, they humiliate people, they kill people. 341 00:23:41,470 --> 00:23:45,670 Even if we have a peace movement, we cannot reach the land. 342 00:23:48,940 --> 00:23:49,940 The army arrived. 343 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,640 A nearby settlement had allegedly called them to report the olive picking. 344 00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:28,920 One of those on the scene was a long -time Israeli activist, mathematician 345 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,700 Smith. Kobi, do you know what they're doing right now? The army has said 346 00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:34,700 got to leave in five minutes. 347 00:24:34,780 --> 00:24:41,600 And now the landowner has to make a choice if to try to insist 348 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,820 on staying here and taking a risk. 349 00:24:46,740 --> 00:24:48,180 They're liable to do anything. 350 00:24:48,380 --> 00:24:52,120 They can arrest the Palestinians, they can arrest us, who knows what they might 351 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:54,020 do. Have you been arrested before? 352 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,960 Do you think he would have been arrested? 353 00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:01,900 40 % of all Palestinian men have been arrested, so probably. 354 00:25:03,740 --> 00:25:04,740 Your response? 355 00:25:05,260 --> 00:25:06,260 British television. 356 00:25:08,980 --> 00:25:09,980 Passport. 357 00:25:11,260 --> 00:25:12,260 Thank you. 358 00:25:13,130 --> 00:25:14,950 Can I ask why you're taking my passport? 359 00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:16,470 I need to check. 360 00:25:16,570 --> 00:25:17,570 Check what? 361 00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:19,590 Check what? 362 00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:22,770 Nothing. They don't check nothing. They just want to scare us. 363 00:25:26,670 --> 00:25:32,570 If he kept picking, he would have been arrested? 364 00:25:33,130 --> 00:25:34,130 No, it's not to arrest. 365 00:25:34,490 --> 00:25:37,270 It's just to evacuate the area. 366 00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:39,310 Meaning what, though, if he says I'm not leaving? 367 00:25:41,230 --> 00:25:43,830 I'm grateful we didn't get to that part. 368 00:25:44,030 --> 00:25:45,370 Because what would happen? 369 00:25:48,090 --> 00:25:52,430 I actually don't... As a soldier, you would have to, what, detain him? 370 00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:57,390 That... I'd rather not speaking it. 371 00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:15,180 Alongside their interactions with the army, Palestinians throughout the West 372 00:26:15,180 --> 00:26:17,700 Bank also suffer attacks by settlers. 373 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,600 These videos come from the South Hebron Hills where I'd seen the olive picking. 374 00:26:26,860 --> 00:26:31,780 In the town of Tawani, a settler was caught on camera shooting and severely 375 00:26:31,780 --> 00:26:33,360 injuring a Palestinian man. 376 00:26:37,940 --> 00:26:40,480 The shooter had his gun license revoked. 377 00:26:40,830 --> 00:26:42,110 But he was never arrested. 378 00:26:42,830 --> 00:26:44,750 I'd heard of other similar incidents. 379 00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:55,270 In the same town of Tawani, I'd made contact with a 20 -year -old Palestinian 380 00:26:55,270 --> 00:26:58,530 student and local activist named Mohamed Hourani. 381 00:27:00,990 --> 00:27:04,870 He offered to take me to the top of the hill to meet his neighbor who lives at a 382 00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:06,370 spot closest to a settlement. 383 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,240 Louis, it's nice to meet you. 384 00:27:15,940 --> 00:27:17,160 Thank you for having us. 385 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,200 Mosab Roubaix's house still bears the scars of what he says were settler 386 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,200 attacks. 387 00:27:24,260 --> 00:27:27,180 You can see, like, from the window, the bullets. 388 00:27:27,460 --> 00:27:29,340 So there's bullets that have come through here? 389 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,080 Yeah, from this window and that window. 390 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:43,480 This and this one. 391 00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:45,240 Where that bright light is? 392 00:27:45,460 --> 00:27:46,800 Yes. So what is that? 393 00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:50,360 Is that an outpost or what is that? Is there anyone in there? 394 00:27:51,340 --> 00:27:52,580 Hang on, something's happening. 395 00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:54,100 What is it? 396 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,020 Are they coming in? 397 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,480 They are screaming to us. 398 00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:14,200 And they are now delivering the gun. 399 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,320 They are laying around the rock. 400 00:28:20,860 --> 00:28:27,180 It happens most every day. 401 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,100 What do we do? Just stay in here? 402 00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:30,300 Yeah, we are inside. 403 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:35,840 Matan, what do you think? 404 00:28:36,429 --> 00:28:39,830 It's not safe at the moment. There's probably multiple guns pointing at us. 405 00:28:40,550 --> 00:28:41,550 Yeah, let's wait. 406 00:28:43,330 --> 00:28:45,250 What can we do? Can we call the police? 407 00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:46,950 Which police? 408 00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:50,010 I mean, they are one regime. 409 00:28:56,150 --> 00:28:57,310 That doesn't worry you? 410 00:28:57,850 --> 00:29:01,410 No, because, I mean, we're raised in this situation, so it became a normal 411 00:29:01,410 --> 00:29:02,410 reality for us. 412 00:29:02,750 --> 00:29:06,910 When you are a kid, you just feel this army invading your home in the day, on 413 00:29:06,910 --> 00:29:12,910 the night. You grow up on this unjust reality that it became normal for you as 414 00:29:12,910 --> 00:29:16,190 human, but it's not normal for anybody, and no one should accept it. 415 00:29:21,670 --> 00:29:26,150 After more than an hour, the soldiers appeared to lose interest, and the crew 416 00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:27,150 and I slipped away. 417 00:29:38,350 --> 00:29:42,870 The violence committed by some settlers is often justified by them as a response 418 00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:47,430 to violence they experience from Palestinians, which is much less 419 00:29:48,570 --> 00:29:53,450 Nevertheless, it's hard to disentangle it from an ideology of the superiority 420 00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:59,010 one group and their rights over another, promoted by leaders like Daniela Weiss. 421 00:30:00,930 --> 00:30:02,450 Hiya, how are you? 422 00:30:02,750 --> 00:30:03,750 I'm coming. 423 00:30:05,270 --> 00:30:08,740 Hoping for more insight into her and her work, I was back. 424 00:30:09,380 --> 00:30:10,480 I have a meeting. 425 00:30:11,140 --> 00:30:13,000 So, do have a seat. 426 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,200 Thank you. 427 00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:24,760 So we'll just wait. 428 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,760 Great. 429 00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:34,180 Okay, from now on, follow me if you want to know. 430 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,120 Are we leaving? 431 00:30:38,410 --> 00:30:40,430 So we're going to meet you there. All right. 432 00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:48,050 I was joining Daniela and some friends of hers in a convoy heading towards 433 00:30:48,910 --> 00:30:50,170 Mission unclear. 434 00:30:57,950 --> 00:31:03,270 Two hours later, we were one kilometer from the Gaza border in the Israeli town 435 00:31:03,270 --> 00:31:06,850 of Sderot, arriving at a yeshiva. 436 00:31:07,340 --> 00:31:11,620 a religious school, where Daniela took part in an assembly alongside two 437 00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:12,820 prominent rabbis. 438 00:31:15,780 --> 00:31:18,040 What's happening next, Daniela? 439 00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:20,280 Shall we follow you? 440 00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:22,020 We'll follow her. 441 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,300 Our next stop was a memorial for the victims of October 7th. 442 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,900 Derot had seen heavy fighting during the Hamas attack and suffered many losses. 443 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,380 For some passes by, Daniela held a degree of celebrity status. 444 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,040 Then the settler convoy arrived at what seemed to be its destination, 445 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:05,840 a viewpoint overlooking the war zone. 446 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,000 Daniela had told me she'd signed up 800 families who were ready to move into 447 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,720 Gaza. One of her team explained how it would work. 448 00:32:41,310 --> 00:32:45,610 The idea seemed to be to get spiritual buy -in from the two rabbis. 449 00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:49,710 One of them was next to speak, Rabbi Dov Lior. 450 00:33:04,690 --> 00:33:06,930 Israel is the only country that has saved the people of Israel. 451 00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:11,850 And all of Gaza, and all of Lebanon, all of this needs to be cleaned, to clean 452 00:33:11,850 --> 00:33:14,690 the country from the Greek streets. 453 00:33:16,110 --> 00:33:19,670 Whoever will save, will save. Whoever will not save, I tell you in clean 454 00:33:19,670 --> 00:33:24,790 language, will save there. Even if it costs money, if it costs less money, you 455 00:33:24,790 --> 00:33:28,770 have to buy the weapons, the explosive weapons and everything you need to 456 00:33:28,770 --> 00:33:29,770 in them. 457 00:33:31,290 --> 00:33:32,470 I don't talk to them anymore. 458 00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:34,570 I haven't talked to them for years. 459 00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:38,150 I don't talk to them. I don't have any. Do it. Do it. 460 00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:40,330 Do it. 461 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:19,219 As the day ended, we were following Daniela's car, driving on what seemed to 462 00:34:19,219 --> 00:34:23,219 army -controlled land, approaching ever closer to the Gaza border. 463 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:32,480 It had previously been reported that Daniela had been illegally escorted 464 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,020 into Gaza by soldiers who supported her to recce locations for settlement. 465 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,380 Suddenly, her vehicle broke away. 466 00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:58,460 On this occasion, she was intercepted. 467 00:35:00,980 --> 00:35:06,020 So basically, she had a military escort and then she just peeled away and made a 468 00:35:06,020 --> 00:35:08,080 sprint for the border. The Gulf. 469 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,280 Yeah. 470 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,300 She just tried to run away from the army, hasn't she? Yeah. 471 00:35:21,940 --> 00:35:26,480 Did you try and make a dash for the Gaza border? What was happening down there? 472 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,320 I enjoyed it so much. 473 00:35:31,340 --> 00:35:35,140 Our two jeeps drew too much attention. 474 00:35:36,060 --> 00:35:39,660 But what's the idea? Why do you want to go down to the Gaza? You want to enter 475 00:35:39,660 --> 00:35:40,800 Gaza? No. 476 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:48,520 What I wanted to do, I wanted to show the rabbis that Gaza 477 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:54,320 is not something beyond reach. 478 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:01,780 Would you say October 7th made people more receptive to your message and to 479 00:36:01,780 --> 00:36:02,638 point of view? 480 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,640 No doubt. 481 00:36:04,170 --> 00:36:10,850 The October 7th naturally made people more receptive to the 482 00:36:10,850 --> 00:36:12,690 idea of the great Israel. 483 00:36:13,770 --> 00:36:20,610 But the next step, Jewish settlements in Gaza, is a very difficult step 484 00:36:20,610 --> 00:36:27,110 that demands a lot of work. You have to influence the leftists, the government, 485 00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:32,710 the nations of the world, using the magic system. 486 00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:36,460 Zionism. You redeem the land. 487 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,220 You establish communities. 488 00:36:40,060 --> 00:36:42,260 You bring Jewish families. 489 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,980 You live Jewish life. 490 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,900 And this will bring light instead of darkness. 491 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,840 And this is how the state of Israel was established. 492 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,360 And this is what we want to do in Gaza. 493 00:36:58,820 --> 00:37:04,560 This process of making the whole of the West Bank and Gaza Jewish. 494 00:37:05,420 --> 00:37:07,580 Do you feel like it's moving more quickly? 495 00:37:08,020 --> 00:37:13,660 As far as Judea and Samaria is concerned, so we want to move from one 496 00:37:13,660 --> 00:37:14,660 two million. 497 00:37:15,740 --> 00:37:17,440 So this is the next step. 498 00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:19,640 This is my vision. 499 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,100 I'm so complicated. 500 00:37:34,220 --> 00:37:40,280 Daniela's vision has been made possible by the Israeli occupation, but it in 501 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,680 turn has led to the creation of a vast military infrastructure which impacts 502 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,920 every aspect of Palestinian life. 503 00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:51,260 Nowhere is it more evident than in Hebron. 504 00:37:54,260 --> 00:38:01,220 Hebron is an ancient biblical city, home to some 200 ,000 Palestinians, a place 505 00:38:01,220 --> 00:38:03,120 holy to three major religions. 506 00:38:07,150 --> 00:38:08,190 Hi, how are you? 507 00:38:08,610 --> 00:38:11,610 We're from the British TV crew. 508 00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:21,130 In 1968, the year after it was occupied by Israel, a community of Jewish 509 00:38:21,130 --> 00:38:22,490 settlers moved in illegally. 510 00:38:23,710 --> 00:38:28,470 They now number around 700, existing in a cordon of military protection. 511 00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:34,790 I visited in 2010 when I'd spent time with a settler leader. 512 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,620 Now, 14 years on, I was curious about life within the Palestinian community. 513 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:43,479 I'm Louis. 514 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,200 Hi, Louis. Nice to meet you. Welcome. 515 00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:46,500 Thank you for having us. 516 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:53,000 Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, was born here in the settler -occupied area. 517 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,500 You've got fences all around? All around. 518 00:38:57,020 --> 00:38:58,060 Fences from here? 519 00:38:58,260 --> 00:39:01,000 Yeah. Who lives on the other side? Israeli settlers. 520 00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:03,920 We've got army there. What are they doing? 521 00:39:04,180 --> 00:39:05,320 Have they come for a reason? 522 00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:08,520 No, they come for intimidation. 523 00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:09,820 How are you? 524 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,080 They're not speaking, but I think what they would say is, well, we're here to 525 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:24,000 provide security for the settlers who live here and want to live in 526 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,200 peace and experience animosity from the Palestinians. 527 00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:33,180 So they want to live in peace at the expense of my basic human rights. 528 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,080 Lead the way. Yes. 529 00:39:59,220 --> 00:40:03,400 For nearly 20 years, Issa has been an advocate for non -violent resistance 530 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,520 against the occupation. 531 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,660 He is one of around 30 ,000 Palestinians living inside the high -security area 532 00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:13,200 of Hebron, the so -called sterile zone. 533 00:40:13,660 --> 00:40:18,180 For them, just doing their shopping, going to work or going to school means 534 00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:19,940 passing through military checkpoints. 535 00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:21,720 Let's see how it works. 536 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,300 Hi. Hi. 537 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,320 How are you guys doing? Good, how are you? 538 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,300 Fine. Everything OK? 539 00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:29,800 I need your passport, please. 540 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:37,160 all of you okay uh sure what for why check why how are you 541 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,460 doing mate how are you doing hi why are you covering your faces because of the 542 00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:47,580 cold no no no come on guys don't hide only gangs hide their faces you are a 543 00:40:47,580 --> 00:40:51,420 military you should have your faces you know obvious to everybody do you know 544 00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:52,420 you know it's a 545 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,460 He says it's making life very difficult to have this military presence here. 546 00:40:58,580 --> 00:41:01,220 What are you all doing here? What am I doing here? I'm making a documentary. 547 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:02,960 Documentary? For British television. 548 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,098 Of what? 549 00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:06,500 About settlers in the West Bank. 550 00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:08,080 Settlers in the West Bank? Yes. 551 00:41:08,540 --> 00:41:12,660 Okay, and what do you tell to the television about the settlement? 552 00:41:13,020 --> 00:41:15,440 It's not about what I'm telling them. It's about what I'm hearing from the 553 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,080 people who I speak to. Where do you live? 554 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,220 I don't want to tell you. Okay. 555 00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:20,940 I told you where I was staying. 556 00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:25,120 Say that again. What does that mean? 557 00:41:25,980 --> 00:41:29,300 It's enjoy from the trip in Hebron here. 558 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,020 Thank you. Wish you all the best, guys. 559 00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:32,780 How is life here? 560 00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:35,220 You're very well armed. 561 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,820 Is there a situation here that needs careful control? 562 00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:42,300 What is it? Tell me about it. 563 00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:50,480 What was he saying about 564 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,480 Arabi? 565 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,340 No, he wanted to see if you are an Arab. He asked you, do you speak Arabic? 566 00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,700 Hello, how are you doing? What's up? Hey, how are you doing? 567 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:00,839 I'm doing excellent. 568 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,760 American? What do I look, Chinese? 569 00:42:03,140 --> 00:42:04,220 Yeah, from Brooklyn? 570 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:05,759 You bet. 571 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,560 Let me just pull over to the side. Okay. 572 00:42:10,780 --> 00:42:12,660 Do you know him? No, he doesn't live here. 573 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,160 You okay? 574 00:42:17,180 --> 00:42:18,180 Do you need help? 575 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,320 You okay? 576 00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:20,620 No. 577 00:42:20,750 --> 00:42:22,290 Are you stuck? Are you in a rut? 578 00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:26,750 Why are you filming me? 579 00:42:28,330 --> 00:42:31,030 It's all good. Don't worry. We can't even see your face. Look, you're 580 00:42:31,170 --> 00:42:32,550 No one can even see who you are. 581 00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:34,448 Don't worry. 582 00:42:34,450 --> 00:42:37,770 I don't know what to do with you. I have work to do. Get on with your work. 583 00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:38,348 You're fine. 584 00:42:38,350 --> 00:42:43,270 You stay here in the checkpost and filming everything. You can't do this 585 00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:46,910 okay? Come with me. Wait, no, you can't do that. Come with me. No, no, no, no, 586 00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:47,428 no, no. 587 00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:49,950 Don't touch me. You just touched me. Don't touch me. No violence. 588 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:51,980 Listen to me. I'm listening. 589 00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:53,700 Come, come to me. 590 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,920 I'm from the military, okay? 591 00:42:57,580 --> 00:42:59,420 IDF, Israel Defense Forces. 592 00:42:59,860 --> 00:43:02,040 I'm above the police here in the West Bank. 593 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,280 I'm the highest responsibility of law. 594 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,160 We'll tell you like this, okay? 595 00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:14,360 And this man, IDF, I need to tell you, not staying here. 596 00:43:14,670 --> 00:43:16,450 Okay, we'll move along. That's fine. 597 00:43:16,690 --> 00:43:17,408 Okay, leave. 598 00:43:17,410 --> 00:43:23,130 Leave this place. Leave this area, okay? Right now. Let's go. Okay. Let's go. 599 00:43:27,150 --> 00:43:28,590 So who lives here? 600 00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:29,870 Palestinian families. 601 00:43:30,310 --> 00:43:31,650 And where are they? 602 00:43:31,930 --> 00:43:33,550 They are hiding behind the indoors. 603 00:43:33,850 --> 00:43:36,330 What would stop these shops from being open? 604 00:43:36,930 --> 00:43:40,270 It's closed by military orders. 605 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,340 and marked as closed shops. 606 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:45,680 It's marked. 607 00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:50,460 From this shop would be five families at least live and earn their living. 608 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,620 Look, this is something new. 609 00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:57,040 This not to hire Arab workers in Israel. 610 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,700 Two faces, a face of an Arab and a face of a Turk. 611 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,020 This is how they stereotype us. 612 00:44:07,540 --> 00:44:08,540 Middle finger. 613 00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:11,320 He gave you the middle finger? 614 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,160 To you two. You think it was to me? To you. I think it was to you. To you. 615 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,400 To both of us. 616 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,380 Because you deserve the middle finger if you report about Palestinian. 617 00:44:26,180 --> 00:44:27,180 ID, please. 618 00:44:40,270 --> 00:44:41,270 For what reason? 619 00:44:42,810 --> 00:44:44,230 The police. 620 00:44:45,550 --> 00:44:46,550 Yes. 621 00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:49,510 That one? 622 00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:54,850 But I know that I'm allowed to be here. 623 00:44:55,070 --> 00:44:57,190 You are not allowed. 624 00:44:58,030 --> 00:45:00,550 Why can't he be with us? 625 00:45:00,830 --> 00:45:02,910 There are limits for Palestinians. 626 00:45:03,450 --> 00:45:07,050 If he lives here, he can't. 627 00:45:07,650 --> 00:45:08,750 Here, no. 628 00:45:10,090 --> 00:45:11,290 Give me your ID, please. 629 00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:14,450 How come Palestinians can't come down here? 630 00:45:14,770 --> 00:45:15,770 It's not worked like that. 631 00:45:16,610 --> 00:45:18,130 Which camera? We're not talking to you. 632 00:45:20,050 --> 00:45:24,530 It seems ironic that that's the visitor centre, right, for tourists and whatnot, 633 00:45:24,670 --> 00:45:28,850 and he can't actually visit in his own city. 634 00:45:34,610 --> 00:45:36,250 You knew that was going to happen. 635 00:45:37,330 --> 00:45:40,950 No. It's new that they asked me to come back to here. 636 00:45:41,770 --> 00:45:46,870 They told me that I'm allowed only to here, so they expanded the closed area 637 00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:48,150 me. What's it all about? 638 00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:54,310 Taking more and more land. It's about fragmented life, restricted life for 639 00:45:54,310 --> 00:45:59,730 Palestinians, no quality life. You live with the basics, even with less than 640 00:45:59,730 --> 00:46:04,410 basic of family needs, to make you live. 641 00:46:04,890 --> 00:46:07,510 And they are doing well. The majority of the houses are empty. 642 00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:11,470 The families are leaving. 643 00:46:12,030 --> 00:46:17,450 You could flip it and say, well, if they really wanted to occupy the whole of 644 00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:22,490 Hebron, or at least this area, they could literally deport Palestinians. 645 00:46:23,090 --> 00:46:28,570 They do it slowly, but now they are speeding up. They want approval from 646 00:46:28,570 --> 00:46:31,110 allies and their partners in the world. 647 00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:32,590 Is it worth... 648 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,640 going through to see the other side yes i can see what it looks like 649 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:47,340 this 650 00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:53,800 gives you a little flavor of what it was like in there before yes the market was 651 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:59,740 much more busy inside it was our oxford street inside so busy my father used to 652 00:46:59,740 --> 00:47:03,130 hold my arm not to lose me not anymore It's closed completely, restricted. 653 00:47:03,590 --> 00:47:07,330 In order to get back in, we can't go through there now because they've closed 654 00:47:07,330 --> 00:47:09,350 it. It's closed. So how do we get back in? 655 00:47:10,110 --> 00:47:12,390 You try from another checkpoint. 656 00:47:17,110 --> 00:47:18,110 Through here? 657 00:47:18,490 --> 00:47:19,490 Yes. 658 00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:25,390 Louis. 659 00:47:26,090 --> 00:47:26,968 Coming through? 660 00:47:26,970 --> 00:47:29,010 Yes. All right. Okay, just get on, get on. 661 00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:43,070 So now we're on the other side of the area where you couldn't walk before, 662 00:47:43,230 --> 00:47:46,950 right? Where they stopped you from walking in front of the visitor center. 663 00:47:48,270 --> 00:47:51,230 But you need to get home. Yes. So what will you do? 664 00:47:51,450 --> 00:47:52,490 I will go around again. 665 00:47:53,130 --> 00:47:58,290 I will go outside this checkpoint, go around to enter from another checkpoint. 666 00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:02,940 And wait till the checkpoint opens to get into my house with my son. 667 00:48:04,060 --> 00:48:05,600 You definitely can't come this way? 668 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,000 I can't come this way. 669 00:48:07,220 --> 00:48:10,060 Okay. They won't let you through? No, they will not. 670 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,760 I'm not allowed. I was happy to meet you. Thank you so much. Take care. Bye 671 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,760 -bye. 672 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,960 On the drive back from Hebron, I reflected on the separate lives lived by 673 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,580 Israelis and Palestinians and the unequal system of rights and justice. 674 00:48:42,340 --> 00:48:45,540 We ran into a traffic jam caused by a bomb scare. 675 00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:52,720 The road, the main artery in the West Bank, is one of the few shared by 676 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:53,720 and Palestinians. 677 00:48:57,020 --> 00:48:59,640 For once, all were subject to delay. 678 00:49:04,590 --> 00:49:07,670 It was a sobering experience visiting Hebron again. 679 00:49:09,130 --> 00:49:13,070 Isa had told me he believed life was being made intolerable for Palestinians 680 00:49:13,070 --> 00:49:18,710 deliberately, to make them leave, and that the process was speeding up since 681 00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:19,810 October 7th. 682 00:49:20,810 --> 00:49:24,990 And it was true that some settlers I'd met supported the deportation of 683 00:49:24,990 --> 00:49:27,670 Palestinians who won't submit to Jewish authority. 684 00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:33,910 One of them was Ari, a Texan, born and raised in Houston. 685 00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:37,310 now resident deep inside the occupied West Bank. 686 00:49:41,130 --> 00:49:43,570 Good to see you. Good to see you. How are you? 687 00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:46,830 I'm a little under the weather. I'm sorry to hear that. 688 00:49:47,390 --> 00:49:48,450 Thank you for having us back. 689 00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:53,490 Hoping to understand a little better, I'd return to see him again. 690 00:49:53,730 --> 00:49:55,050 Okay, we're ready for the coffee. 691 00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:56,690 I really hope I do this right. 692 00:49:58,050 --> 00:50:00,650 I never know if you wear those guns just for effect. 693 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,020 I don't know what effect I'm looking for. Do I want to look more militant? 694 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,380 no, I'm not worried about that sort of effect. 695 00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:07,900 Do you want to sit down? 696 00:50:11,780 --> 00:50:17,920 We've talked a lot about how you see the importance of Jewish presence in 697 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,780 what's termed the biblical land of Israel. 698 00:50:21,140 --> 00:50:26,340 Are you saying that you see Israel as playing a role for modeling a new kind 699 00:50:26,340 --> 00:50:27,340 nationalism? 700 00:50:28,060 --> 00:50:29,060 Is that right? 701 00:50:29,660 --> 00:50:33,340 I think that all of what's happening in the world right now is leading us as a 702 00:50:33,340 --> 00:50:39,000 nation to open our eyes to who we are. We are the tip of the spear fighting the 703 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:44,980 battles of America and defending the entire Western world, and not just the 704 00:50:44,980 --> 00:50:48,580 Western world, anyone who wants any semblance of liberty and freedom in 705 00:50:48,580 --> 00:50:54,380 lives. Nevertheless, there are millions of people up and down the area, Arabs, 706 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:55,840 Muslims, who... 707 00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,860 aren't living free, right? They're enclosed without the same rights, 708 00:51:00,860 --> 00:51:06,720 national self -determination, and in many respects, feeling besieged. And I 709 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,120 wonder, do you see that? 710 00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:13,940 I don't have tremendous compassion for a society that has an 711 00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:18,520 unquenchable, genocidal, theological... 712 00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:23,000 bloodlust. It's like a death cult. It seems to me there's a danger with that 713 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,620 characterization of Palestinians. 714 00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:29,740 You define them as eliminationist and hateful and genocidal. 715 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:37,400 Yeah, I use the word death cult. That then permits you to almost create a 716 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,060 mirror image of that. That you say, well, if they want to do that to us, 717 00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:42,740 need to do that to them. 718 00:51:43,450 --> 00:51:48,730 I think that when you're living amongst people who have perpetually proven, not 719 00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:53,830 only by word but by deed, that they want your blood spilled in the streets, that 720 00:51:53,830 --> 00:51:57,650 they want to murder your children, that they want to slay all of you, kill all 721 00:51:57,650 --> 00:52:01,910 of you in the most horrific, genocidal way, that all of the polls showed after 722 00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:05,890 October 7th that these people who you continuously call the Palestinian 723 00:52:06,010 --> 00:52:09,250 that I reject the very premise, that they are actually... 724 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:15,940 a real nation for a lot of reasons, I mean... But the millions of people who 725 00:52:15,940 --> 00:52:20,680 have nothing to do with October 7th, right? Who actually just would like to 726 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:21,680 free, full lives. 727 00:52:22,340 --> 00:52:26,820 If that's really what they wanted, they would have had it a long time ago. They 728 00:52:26,820 --> 00:52:31,440 want to wipe Israel off the map. They want every last Jew dead. So what's the 729 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,440 answer? 730 00:52:32,540 --> 00:52:37,880 The answer is for us to declare sovereignty over all of Judea and 731 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:45,400 and all of the land of Israel and Gaza and to settle Gaza and all of Judea and 732 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,360 Samaria with Jews in the land of Israel. 733 00:52:49,260 --> 00:52:50,680 Did the question annoy you? 734 00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:55,500 Annoy me? I just, I hear it so often. 735 00:52:56,100 --> 00:53:00,460 and it feels like it's being addressed again and again and again. Even if the 736 00:53:00,460 --> 00:53:05,320 entire world is pointing, accusing fingers and gnashing their teeth in rage 737 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,000 anger, we know the righteousness and the truth of our cause, even if we stand 738 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,360 alone. That's what it means to be a Hebrew. That's what it means to be a 739 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,380 we know the truth of our cause, that's all we need. 740 00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:23,140 For Ari, it was clear that nothing is greater than the Word of God. 741 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,380 And that word had led him to believe that it was the divine right of the 742 00:53:27,380 --> 00:53:30,140 people to settle and rule this land. 743 00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:33,040 See you later. 744 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,460 God bless and protect you. 745 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,080 Amen. 746 00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:43,060 The Bible was, as he saw it, a land deed to the West Bank. 747 00:53:49,710 --> 00:53:54,110 With an afternoon free, I stopped for coffee in the Palestinian city of 748 00:53:54,310 --> 00:54:01,270 surrounded by the ancient 749 00:54:01,270 --> 00:54:05,810 architecture of the old city and the undeniable fact of the hundreds of 750 00:54:05,810 --> 00:54:09,770 thousands of people living there and their aspirations for statehood. 751 00:54:13,740 --> 00:54:17,160 At the edge of the city, we were held up at one of the many checkpoints that 752 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,140 control the people entering and leaving. 753 00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:24,540 Can you put the gun down? 754 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,720 Where are you from? 755 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,000 From London. 756 00:54:29,020 --> 00:54:30,220 You've been in the market? 757 00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:31,500 Yes. 758 00:54:31,780 --> 00:54:32,780 You also? 759 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,220 Yes. She works with you? She's American, yes. Can you show me ID? 760 00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:39,580 Me? 761 00:54:40,180 --> 00:54:41,660 Everyone? Yeah, sure. 762 00:54:42,580 --> 00:54:46,460 It's very slow going. We've been in that queue for an hour or more. 763 00:54:48,420 --> 00:54:52,100 How much time are you going to stay in Israel? 764 00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:54,160 Hang on, but I don't think we're in Israel. 765 00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:55,880 Huh? Are we in Israel? 766 00:54:56,820 --> 00:54:58,880 You're in Israel now? Are we? Yes. 767 00:54:59,540 --> 00:55:00,700 In the West Bank? No? 768 00:55:05,220 --> 00:55:10,120 In the north of the West Bank, I was heading back to the settlement of 769 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,660 where I'd been hosted by Malkiel, the horse wrangler. 770 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,060 Since my visit, I'd learned a little more about the settlement's relations 771 00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:26,520 its neighboring Palestinian town of Beitar, how Beitar had been subject to 772 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,820 settler attacks and how it, in turn, had organized regular protests of the 773 00:55:30,820 --> 00:55:31,820 settlement. 774 00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:37,180 Demonstrators had been killed and others wounded during the clashes. 775 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:43,580 One of the deaths of a Turkish -American volunteer, Ayşenur Ezgi Egi, made 776 00:55:43,580 --> 00:55:44,580 headlines. 777 00:55:51,940 --> 00:55:56,700 Now the settlement was holding a festival to celebrate its recent 778 00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:57,700 the Israeli state. 779 00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:05,620 Entertainments had been laid on, and families from settlements from around 780 00:56:05,620 --> 00:56:08,740 West Bank had converged for a day of music and activities. 781 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,560 One of those speaking was Daniela. 782 00:56:48,810 --> 00:56:52,710 How are you? 783 00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:55,830 Yeah, it's a bit quieter. 784 00:56:57,190 --> 00:57:01,630 As the festivities wound down, I had a moment to speak to Daniela on a hilltop 785 00:57:01,630 --> 00:57:04,150 overlooking the Palestinian town of Beit Ha. 786 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,300 So you've been talking about settling, you've talked about displacing, wanting 787 00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:13,860 the Palestinians to go, you said, to Africa, to Canada, to England, you don't 788 00:57:13,860 --> 00:57:14,598 care where. 789 00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,360 What would be wrong with either a two -state solution or a one -state solution 790 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,860 where everyone had the same rights? 791 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:27,440 We want to have a Jewish state, based on Jewish rules, on Jewish 792 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:33,300 values, not relationship of neighbors. Why not? Because we are two different 793 00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:34,300 nations. 794 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:41,520 Different. I just wonder whether you feel or you're aware that, you know, 795 00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:46,520 they're really suffering and there's been settlers rampaging through the area 796 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:50,080 the West Bank. So there's all this... Agitation. 797 00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:51,500 Yes. 798 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:58,380 Tragedy, right? Tragedy. When a people is invaded, right, and then put under a 799 00:57:58,380 --> 00:58:03,840 military occupation, deprived of their rights, that anger seems to be... 800 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,640 An understandable response, an appropriate response. 801 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,060 There is no such thing as sexual violence. 802 00:58:10,460 --> 00:58:14,300 Did I speak? I don't know if I spoke. I don't mind saying it again. 803 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,380 And I don't mind, I will be glad to explain it. You don't believe it's real? 804 00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:20,860 There are videos, you can see them. 805 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,240 You see what? 806 00:58:22,740 --> 00:58:26,800 Okay, let's say, we have a camera right here. Yes. 807 00:58:27,580 --> 00:58:28,600 And I do this. 808 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:30,320 Yeah. 809 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:31,480 Do something. 810 00:58:31,870 --> 00:58:33,390 You don't mind what I did to you? 811 00:58:34,430 --> 00:58:36,430 Well, I won't do that to you. 812 00:58:36,770 --> 00:58:41,470 And then the camera takes just part. 813 00:58:42,210 --> 00:58:44,510 You don't have the full picture. 814 00:58:45,590 --> 00:58:47,610 Then I say you're violent. 815 00:58:47,830 --> 00:58:49,670 You're violent against a woman. 816 00:58:50,070 --> 00:58:55,610 This is exactly what is going on all the time with what you call 817 00:58:55,610 --> 00:58:57,790 settler violence. 818 00:58:59,790 --> 00:59:01,550 Settlers do not... 819 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:03,920 No, 820 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:15,040 no, no, no. Why should we wake up in the morning and think about violence? Why? 821 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:16,480 Our life is good. 822 00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,080 Because you want the Palestinians to leave. 823 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,540 No, no, no, no. 824 00:59:21,820 --> 00:59:28,100 You've said so. I said that what is on my mind all the time is how 825 00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:29,420 to bring... 826 00:59:30,060 --> 00:59:31,780 More people to settle the land. 827 00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:36,040 This is a new development by Jews. 828 00:59:36,380 --> 00:59:38,060 This is Har Bracha. 829 00:59:38,340 --> 00:59:39,500 This is Itzha. 830 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,180 Here we can develop. Here we cannot develop. 831 00:59:43,860 --> 00:59:48,060 I never think in terms of... I know this is beta. 832 00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:51,420 I don't think about beta. 833 00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:52,660 Why not? 834 00:59:52,740 --> 00:59:56,620 Because I think about... I'm a Jew. I'm a settler. 835 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,000 I'm a... 836 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:03,720 A human being. Yes, you are. So I do not think about this. 837 01:00:03,940 --> 01:00:06,980 You're thinking about tribalism, thinking of your own people to the 838 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,100 It would be understandable to think of your own people or your own children 839 01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:15,520 first, but to think about other people, other children, not at all, that seems 840 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:16,600 sociopathic. 841 01:00:18,260 --> 01:00:19,800 I can... Doesn't it? 842 01:00:20,020 --> 01:00:22,060 No, not at all. This is normal. 843 01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:27,220 To my children, I give everything because I... 844 01:00:27,470 --> 01:00:32,290 The normal thing for me is to pray for my own people. 845 01:00:33,710 --> 01:00:35,970 That's it. So now I continue. 846 01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:40,470 I hope you push me back. 847 01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:54,730 And so I said goodbye to Daniela and her extreme ideology delivered with a 848 01:00:54,730 --> 01:00:55,730 smile. 849 01:01:01,380 --> 01:01:06,080 Fourteen years on from my first visit, with the horror of October 7th in the 850 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,820 interim and the ongoing devastation of Gaza, 851 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:15,960 the settler dream shows no sign of abating, along with the dislocation, 852 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:21,600 displacement and death that follows inevitably in its train, advanced by 853 01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:26,740 ideologues, backed up by those in power and accountable only to God. 854 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:35,680 Go online and go behind the scenes with Louis in our exclusive Why I Made 855 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:40,420 interview as he opens up about his experience of making The Settlers. And 856 01:01:40,420 --> 01:01:42,380 there's more Louis Theroux on iPlayer. 857 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,760 Remembering the cases that shaped their career, detectives reveal the crime I 858 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:48,698 can't forget. 859 01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:49,700 Press red now. 69552

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