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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 2 00:00:05,705 --> 00:00:07,955 (drumming) 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 4 00:00:12,450 --> 00:00:14,690 - Hey folk, how ya'll doin'? 5 00:00:14,690 --> 00:00:18,613 It's so good to be, uh-oh, excuse me for a second. 6 00:00:18,613 --> 00:00:20,863 (drumming) 7 00:00:22,588 --> 00:00:26,422 (up-tempo country rock music) 8 00:00:27,390 --> 00:00:29,293 Let's move on to some real comedy. 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,753 Let's talk about me. (laughs) 10 00:00:36,547 --> 00:00:38,550 You know, humor and truth just sorta like 11 00:00:38,550 --> 00:00:39,703 mixes up together. 12 00:00:46,730 --> 00:00:48,140 'Course people already told me I had 13 00:00:48,140 --> 00:00:49,960 a magnetic personality. 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,230 Now life is imitating life. 15 00:01:04,780 --> 00:01:06,960 Those who aren't from Austin, and hey, 16 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:08,940 all you people from Austin, hey. 17 00:01:08,940 --> 00:01:11,290 Thank you for everything, you made me who I am. 18 00:01:19,308 --> 00:01:22,308 (audience cheering) 19 00:01:30,450 --> 00:01:33,060 - I'm really not gonna go into that right now. 20 00:01:33,060 --> 00:01:34,010 - [Ruby] You don't wanna talk about that? 21 00:01:34,177 --> 00:01:39,017 - No, the thing is, when, okay, let me repeat the answer. 22 00:01:39,268 --> 00:01:40,100 (beeps) 23 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:44,540 My first name is, uh, I gave up my first name... 24 00:01:46,027 --> 00:01:46,880 (beeps) 25 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,030 Now my first name, once I've decided to drop it 26 00:01:50,030 --> 00:01:51,740 is no longer relevant. 27 00:01:51,740 --> 00:01:54,140 So it's a thing of the past. 28 00:01:54,140 --> 00:01:54,973 (beeps) 29 00:01:54,973 --> 00:01:58,560 And we're gonna, you give away all your secrets 30 00:01:58,560 --> 00:01:59,860 then people lose interest. 31 00:02:00,750 --> 00:02:01,990 I wanna keep the people interested 32 00:02:01,990 --> 00:02:04,283 so we're just gonna let 'em be curious. 33 00:02:25,117 --> 00:02:27,367 (clapping) 34 00:02:31,717 --> 00:02:34,717 (upbeat rock music) 35 00:02:36,337 --> 00:02:37,750 - You know, when I came in '95, Leslie was 36 00:02:37,750 --> 00:02:39,953 quite a fixture around the town. 37 00:02:39,953 --> 00:02:42,260 It's almost like you took it almost for granted 38 00:02:42,260 --> 00:02:43,260 he was always there. 39 00:02:47,690 --> 00:02:49,558 - Should I turn the other cheek? 40 00:02:49,558 --> 00:02:50,450 (laughing) 41 00:02:50,450 --> 00:02:52,340 - One of the things that was held up 42 00:02:52,340 --> 00:02:54,200 as a symbol of Austin weirdness, 43 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,050 over and over again, was Leslie Cochran. 44 00:02:57,050 --> 00:02:58,683 Leslie was an icon. 45 00:03:00,090 --> 00:03:01,180 - He didn't have an address. 46 00:03:01,180 --> 00:03:02,900 He didn't have a home, you know. 47 00:03:02,900 --> 00:03:06,023 So he was homeless, by all intents and purposes. 48 00:03:07,950 --> 00:03:10,140 - I seen this good-looking girl 49 00:03:10,140 --> 00:03:11,890 walking away from me. 50 00:03:11,890 --> 00:03:15,100 She had on these stocking-type legging things on 51 00:03:15,100 --> 00:03:17,320 and I thought, my god, man. 52 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,560 This has got to be a doll. 53 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,380 And when I finally got up there, 54 00:03:21,380 --> 00:03:23,020 there was this beard and there was this 55 00:03:23,020 --> 00:03:26,920 smiling character, and I thought, good lord a mercy. 56 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:29,013 He said, "Hello, I'm Leslie." 57 00:03:29,013 --> 00:03:30,880 - A lot of people hear about me 58 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:31,740 long before they come here. 59 00:03:31,740 --> 00:03:32,573 I have people all over the world 60 00:03:32,573 --> 00:03:34,420 come here looking for me. 61 00:03:34,420 --> 00:03:36,610 - Leslie was case in point for why I 62 00:03:36,610 --> 00:03:38,150 moved from Houston to Austin. 63 00:03:38,150 --> 00:03:39,462 You know? 64 00:03:39,462 --> 00:03:41,270 This is what I was hoping for. 65 00:03:41,270 --> 00:03:42,590 This is exactly what was looking for. 66 00:03:42,590 --> 00:03:44,565 I didn't know it. (laughs) 67 00:03:44,565 --> 00:03:46,830 It made me love Austin all the more. 68 00:03:46,830 --> 00:03:49,773 - People argue with me about what I really am. 69 00:03:51,350 --> 00:03:53,670 - He certainly did not view himself as 70 00:03:53,670 --> 00:03:57,110 transvestite or transgendered or anything like that. 71 00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:58,908 He was Leslie. 72 00:03:58,908 --> 00:04:00,863 And Austin was his costume. 73 00:04:03,010 --> 00:04:05,310 - He was a pretty good litmus test for Austin. 74 00:04:06,790 --> 00:04:10,028 If someone said "Oh, who's that guy? 75 00:04:10,028 --> 00:04:11,360 "Let's get rid of him," then you're 76 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,060 not really an Austinite. 77 00:04:13,060 --> 00:04:14,960 If you're like, "Oh, that's Leslie." 78 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,503 If that's your approach, then you belong in Austin. 79 00:04:18,503 --> 00:04:19,335 - Dude, get this. 80 00:04:19,335 --> 00:04:20,870 So you have your own magnet collection 81 00:04:20,870 --> 00:04:22,810 that we can dress you however we want. 82 00:04:22,810 --> 00:04:24,820 - If they make a homeless mother fucker 83 00:04:24,820 --> 00:04:28,510 in drag a celebrity, I know I can go to Austin 84 00:04:28,510 --> 00:04:30,918 and be somebody important. 85 00:04:30,918 --> 00:04:32,213 - The reason why a lot of people are here 86 00:04:32,213 --> 00:04:34,350 in Austin, for whatever reason, it's like 87 00:04:34,350 --> 00:04:36,633 people who grew up feeling like they were 88 00:04:36,633 --> 00:04:39,650 bullied or whatever for being different, 89 00:04:39,650 --> 00:04:42,623 or people who were rejected socially. 90 00:04:43,610 --> 00:04:46,763 That's why I came to Austin, you know? 91 00:04:46,763 --> 00:04:49,143 I think people they identify with Leslie. 92 00:04:50,230 --> 00:04:51,950 Not just being different, but for just 93 00:04:51,950 --> 00:04:54,300 going out there and just being out there 94 00:04:54,300 --> 00:04:56,760 in front of everybody is different. 95 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,410 - It's not like we need a lot of Leslies. 96 00:04:58,410 --> 00:05:00,743 But we need one for sure. 97 00:05:02,220 --> 00:05:04,010 - He's a simple person but there's a lot 98 00:05:04,010 --> 00:05:06,520 of complexity in his life, too. 99 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,618 To me, keepin' Austin weird is Leslie. 100 00:06:14,870 --> 00:06:17,373 - I don't remember when I first saw Leslie. 101 00:06:19,170 --> 00:06:22,670 Leslie would come in to hang around the salon. 102 00:06:22,670 --> 00:06:25,345 He was always trying to get people to 103 00:06:25,345 --> 00:06:27,593 cut and color his hair. 104 00:06:28,470 --> 00:06:30,530 But he did pop in one day. 105 00:06:30,530 --> 00:06:32,800 Most of the stylists I think were ignoring him 106 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,780 because of course he was not a paying customer. 107 00:06:35,780 --> 00:06:37,513 That day I said yes. 108 00:06:38,970 --> 00:06:41,980 So, what are you in the mood for today? 109 00:06:41,980 --> 00:06:44,383 - Well today what I'd like to do is, 110 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,430 oh, there is it. 111 00:06:51,430 --> 00:06:54,450 Is maybe get rid of the gray. 112 00:06:54,450 --> 00:06:57,570 - I'd played around a little bit with film 113 00:06:57,570 --> 00:07:00,150 and images and creating. 114 00:07:00,150 --> 00:07:02,940 Working with Leslie, I had no choice but 115 00:07:02,940 --> 00:07:05,810 to ask him, "Could I start shooting you?" 116 00:07:05,810 --> 00:07:07,060 What'd you do last night? 117 00:07:07,950 --> 00:07:10,293 - Uh, went down Sixth Street. 118 00:07:11,460 --> 00:07:14,030 Made about 70 bucks showing my ass. 119 00:07:14,030 --> 00:07:16,810 (laughs) 120 00:07:16,810 --> 00:07:18,940 - He was fun to shoot because visually 121 00:07:18,940 --> 00:07:21,380 he was visually very interesting. 122 00:07:21,380 --> 00:07:22,930 He was entertaining. 123 00:07:22,930 --> 00:07:24,710 Always wanting to entertain. 124 00:07:24,710 --> 00:07:26,650 He loved performing for the cameras. 125 00:07:26,650 --> 00:07:29,310 He really liked the attention that that brought. 126 00:07:29,310 --> 00:07:33,270 I was just capturing what he was being. 127 00:07:33,270 --> 00:07:35,180 He was a contradiction. 128 00:07:35,180 --> 00:07:38,110 He seemed to be neither male or female. 129 00:07:38,110 --> 00:07:41,830 And to walk around with such confidence, 130 00:07:41,830 --> 00:07:44,350 you don't see something like every day. 131 00:07:44,350 --> 00:07:46,918 - [Ruby] So how long have you liked to wear skirts? 132 00:07:46,918 --> 00:07:50,270 - I started wearing skirts just 133 00:07:50,270 --> 00:07:52,043 about when I turned 40. 134 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,080 I didn't have any interest in men at all, 135 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,535 so I picked up a woman one night. 136 00:07:57,535 --> 00:07:58,740 Turned out she was a guy. 137 00:07:58,740 --> 00:08:00,790 - [Ruby] So that was your first gay experience? 138 00:08:00,790 --> 00:08:02,040 - Oh yes. 139 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,518 To losing your virginity, ha ha. 140 00:08:06,700 --> 00:08:09,162 - [Ruby] Do you think maybe you're a shaman? 141 00:08:09,162 --> 00:08:12,162 - That is a common thought about me. 142 00:08:13,412 --> 00:08:14,245 - [Ruby] I've experienced that people 143 00:08:14,245 --> 00:08:17,670 will be talking about you and you will show up. 144 00:08:17,670 --> 00:08:21,083 - That is being at the right place at the right time. 145 00:08:23,410 --> 00:08:27,573 I guess if I was Buckaroo Banzai I would probably 146 00:08:27,573 --> 00:08:30,113 just say I fly by the seat of my pants. 147 00:08:34,750 --> 00:08:38,730 January 24th, 1996 was the first day that I got here. 148 00:08:38,730 --> 00:08:41,630 I was on a three-wheel bicycle pulling a six-foot trailer. 149 00:08:43,570 --> 00:08:47,720 I decided to do a book on how we treat our homeless. 150 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,683 Just drift around and see how the place treats you. 151 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,390 So I decided to do a cross-section trip 152 00:08:56,390 --> 00:08:59,180 from Atlanta to Miami to Seattle. 153 00:08:59,180 --> 00:09:02,073 And here I am in Austin, Texas. 154 00:09:05,340 --> 00:09:08,950 - When Leslie showed up, there was a pretty strong 155 00:09:08,950 --> 00:09:11,700 homeless presence in downtown Austin. 156 00:09:11,700 --> 00:09:14,150 Especially after the savings and loan crisis. 157 00:09:14,150 --> 00:09:16,660 By the time 1985 rolled around, many of 158 00:09:16,660 --> 00:09:18,380 the financial institutions failed, 159 00:09:18,380 --> 00:09:20,790 many of the development projects fell through. 160 00:09:20,790 --> 00:09:23,410 There was a huge commercial vacancy rate downtown. 161 00:09:23,410 --> 00:09:27,040 With all those vacancies, the homeless population moved in. 162 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,660 So as the city starts growing again in the 1990s, 163 00:09:30,660 --> 00:09:33,680 there was a big movement to get rid of 164 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:36,940 an unwanted element in the downtown of Austin. 165 00:09:36,940 --> 00:09:41,010 1996 was when the Camping Ordinance went into effect. 166 00:09:41,010 --> 00:09:43,950 - It is an ordinance that in the '90s 167 00:09:43,950 --> 00:09:46,620 spread across country in many, many municipalities. 168 00:09:46,620 --> 00:09:49,320 These ordinances were clearly and specifically 169 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,250 passed in order to control and to regulate out, 170 00:09:52,250 --> 00:09:54,300 or to criminalize the homeless community. 171 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,810 - [Ruby] What is your life like in Austin? 172 00:09:57,810 --> 00:10:00,220 - I have a dream life in Austin, 173 00:10:00,220 --> 00:10:02,560 and I owe it all to the police department. 174 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:04,800 If the police department wasn't so rotten, 175 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,060 and if they hadn't tried to run me out of town 176 00:10:06,060 --> 00:10:08,980 by falsely arresting me and perjuring themselves 177 00:10:08,980 --> 00:10:11,360 and all that stuff, I wouldn't have stayed here 178 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:12,700 and fought to be free here in the city. 179 00:10:12,700 --> 00:10:16,052 - [Ruby] So what happened that you decided 180 00:10:16,052 --> 00:10:17,990 to protest the police? 181 00:10:17,990 --> 00:10:18,823 I mean, why-- 182 00:10:18,823 --> 00:10:20,912 - Okay, it's not what happens to you, 183 00:10:20,912 --> 00:10:22,730 it's what you do with it. 184 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,233 - I met Leslie in 1998. 185 00:10:27,138 --> 00:10:31,030 I was working with dialogues for the homeless 186 00:10:31,030 --> 00:10:33,460 on Access channel here in Austin. 187 00:10:33,460 --> 00:10:36,220 Someone had told me about this guy protesting 188 00:10:36,220 --> 00:10:39,390 up on 183, a grocery store. 189 00:10:39,390 --> 00:10:42,570 He was trying to meet somebody there at the store, 190 00:10:42,570 --> 00:10:46,630 and that he was currently protesting because 191 00:10:46,630 --> 00:10:48,230 they were trying to run him off. 192 00:11:12,030 --> 00:11:12,863 And they told me if I didn't leave-- 193 00:11:12,863 --> 00:11:15,380 - It was hard to believe that somebody would 194 00:11:15,380 --> 00:11:17,963 spray a homeless person with a hose. 195 00:11:20,270 --> 00:11:21,460 I'd heard about it before, 196 00:11:21,460 --> 00:11:24,200 but Leslie made me believe it. 197 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,480 I would say that's what first attracted me 198 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,480 to his friendship, is that I got to learn 199 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,740 a lot about the police activity with the homeless. 200 00:11:33,740 --> 00:11:34,790 - When you go after the people that 201 00:11:34,790 --> 00:11:37,000 you're supposed to be serving, 202 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,775 it changes the whole attitude of the city. 203 00:11:41,775 --> 00:11:44,193 (rock music) 204 00:11:48,370 --> 00:11:52,740 - That spring boarded his career, if you would, 205 00:11:52,740 --> 00:11:54,440 with the Austin police department. 206 00:12:00,085 --> 00:12:01,450 - [Leslie] Right after I got here, I got myself 207 00:12:01,450 --> 00:12:03,340 a citation for camping. 208 00:12:03,340 --> 00:12:06,830 - The No Sit No Lie ordinance really makes it difficult to 209 00:12:06,830 --> 00:12:11,360 sleep on a park bench, rest in a park, 210 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,440 loiter around a business. 211 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,280 Whether you're outside during the day 212 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,790 or whether you're outside at night and you're homeless, 213 00:12:17,790 --> 00:12:19,983 it's very difficult to be legal. 214 00:12:21,190 --> 00:12:23,130 - It was being applied to the homeless people 215 00:12:23,130 --> 00:12:24,230 to run 'em outta town. 216 00:12:27,260 --> 00:12:32,093 - In Austin, there might be, might be, 217 00:12:32,093 --> 00:12:35,820 1,000 chronically homeless people like Leslie Cochran. 218 00:12:35,820 --> 00:12:38,040 People are living in alleyways. 219 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,400 People are sleeping in parks. 220 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,948 They are trespassing on private property 221 00:12:44,948 --> 00:12:48,913 and building camps, and trying to survive. 222 00:12:50,150 --> 00:12:51,937 So the phone's ringing off the wall, 223 00:12:51,937 --> 00:12:54,290 and the City Council's getting the calls. 224 00:12:54,290 --> 00:12:56,120 And then the police chief gets the calls. 225 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,510 And then they go out there, rip up the campsite, 226 00:12:59,510 --> 00:13:01,730 kick the guys out, throw all the stuff 227 00:13:01,730 --> 00:13:04,420 into the dumpster, and the guys move down the block. 228 00:13:04,420 --> 00:13:07,030 And then the same thing happens. 229 00:13:07,030 --> 00:13:09,500 But they're not going to fix that 230 00:13:09,500 --> 00:13:11,673 until we recognize why people are there. 231 00:13:11,673 --> 00:13:15,560 It's a profound, catastrophic loss of family. 232 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:19,030 Because that is ultimately our infrastructure, 233 00:13:19,030 --> 00:13:19,973 our safety net. 234 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,050 - Leslie found himself in jail several times, 235 00:13:26,050 --> 00:13:28,993 because he had that willingness to stand up and fight. 236 00:13:29,940 --> 00:13:33,300 It developed into a kind of tug of war 237 00:13:33,300 --> 00:13:34,680 between the Austin police department 238 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:39,680 and keep Austin weird, i.e. leave Leslie alone. 239 00:13:41,250 --> 00:13:45,180 - I've been arrested 81 times and a bunch of tickets. 240 00:13:45,180 --> 00:13:47,200 I've been found guilty six times. 241 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,445 Three times I got a whole dollar fine. 242 00:13:50,445 --> 00:13:52,160 (laughing) 243 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,000 Once I got a $10 fine. 244 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,120 Once I got a $15 fine, and once I got a $45 fine. 245 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,520 The price of being a serial sleeper is going up. 246 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,050 - My very first experience with Leslie, 247 00:14:09,050 --> 00:14:11,560 he was arrested for public intoxication 248 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:15,070 behind the kiosk over at Kruger's Jewelry store. 249 00:14:15,070 --> 00:14:18,180 I think Leslie had a perfume called alcohol, 250 00:14:18,180 --> 00:14:20,250 because it was never a case that Leslie 251 00:14:20,250 --> 00:14:21,843 didn't smell like alcohol. 252 00:14:23,620 --> 00:14:24,970 - First and only time I ever arrested him 253 00:14:24,970 --> 00:14:26,520 it was for public intoxication. 254 00:14:27,410 --> 00:14:29,110 So Leslie's case, he was squatting in the middle 255 00:14:29,110 --> 00:14:30,758 of the road in what I consider a pretty dangerous 256 00:14:30,758 --> 00:14:32,350 intersection at night. 257 00:14:32,350 --> 00:14:34,290 Can't really leave him there. 258 00:14:34,290 --> 00:14:37,900 Public intoxication is under the influence of alcohol 259 00:14:37,900 --> 00:14:39,870 and a danger to yourself and others. 260 00:14:39,870 --> 00:14:41,700 Public intoxication is purely subjective. 261 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:43,760 You're dropping on to the training 262 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,520 and experience of the officer. 263 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,565 For us on Sixth Street, you spend a lot of time 264 00:14:47,565 --> 00:14:50,483 enforcing laws that protect people from themselves. 265 00:14:51,820 --> 00:14:53,430 For a while, Leslie was in that heyday 266 00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:55,523 with a cart with a sign. 267 00:14:56,460 --> 00:14:58,090 You all have done this and all that. 268 00:14:58,090 --> 00:14:59,750 Totally understand. 269 00:14:59,750 --> 00:15:02,160 Fight the power, question authority, all that. 270 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:03,160 We're the authority. 271 00:15:04,610 --> 00:15:06,980 - Most of the time, 90% of the time, 272 00:15:06,980 --> 00:15:10,970 was Leslie was either sleeping or walking 273 00:15:10,970 --> 00:15:14,490 and he could have stumbled into traffic and been hit. 274 00:15:14,490 --> 00:15:17,523 That was 90% of the allegations against Leslie. 275 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,100 There was something about Leslie they just didn't like, 276 00:15:21,100 --> 00:15:23,410 and all Leslie had to do was give them a reason 277 00:15:23,410 --> 00:15:25,430 to be arrested, and they would happily 278 00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:26,890 take that invitation. 279 00:15:36,930 --> 00:15:39,210 This photograph was taken in downtown Austin 280 00:15:39,210 --> 00:15:40,100 Community Court. 281 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:42,270 We represented him so much, and he had 282 00:15:42,270 --> 00:15:44,100 so many dealings with our students. 283 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:45,377 - I was the lucky person to be chosen 284 00:15:45,377 --> 00:15:50,210 to get all of Leslie's cases for the fall of 2002. 285 00:15:50,210 --> 00:15:53,030 One case, for example, officers arrested Leslie 286 00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:55,360 for public intoxication, and the reason why 287 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,210 they even got involved was because he was saying, 288 00:15:59,210 --> 00:16:01,853 very loudly in his Leslie voice downtown, 289 00:16:03,058 --> 00:16:06,690 "All fucking cops are pigs who want to get fucked." 290 00:16:06,690 --> 00:16:09,560 And the reason in the police report for the arrest, 291 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,150 he might upset an officer who might hit him, 292 00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:14,440 and therefore he was a danger to himself. 293 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,870 Which really makes it not a public intoxication 294 00:16:17,870 --> 00:16:20,770 charge but involves things that you're saying 295 00:16:20,770 --> 00:16:22,500 and what your free speech rights are. 296 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:26,200 This is the kind of trouble that Leslie got into. 297 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,340 Yes, he was drunk, yes, he was in a public place. 298 00:16:28,340 --> 00:16:29,490 We're all admitting that. 299 00:16:29,490 --> 00:16:31,230 But with speech. 300 00:16:31,230 --> 00:16:32,700 Representing him, it made it really easy 301 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:34,843 and fun and interesting. 302 00:16:36,020 --> 00:16:40,323 Leslie was not cowed by the power structures. 303 00:16:47,930 --> 00:16:49,110 - [Ruby] Be careful! 304 00:16:51,117 --> 00:16:52,293 - [Ruby] Have you done that before? 305 00:16:52,460 --> 00:16:53,293 - Oh yeah. 306 00:16:58,740 --> 00:16:59,950 - [Ruby] Where did you grow up? 307 00:16:59,950 --> 00:17:01,663 - Oh, obviously I never did. 308 00:17:03,418 --> 00:17:07,173 - [Ruby] Where did you live when you were a child? 309 00:17:13,613 --> 00:17:16,540 - I actually, when I was a young man, 310 00:17:16,540 --> 00:17:18,963 I was, okay, when I was. 311 00:17:27,912 --> 00:17:30,590 Do you know where Tralfamadore is? 312 00:17:30,590 --> 00:17:35,590 See, Tralfamadore is a fictional planet 313 00:17:35,765 --> 00:17:38,052 in one of Kurt Vonnegut's books. 314 00:17:38,052 --> 00:17:41,630 So I won't take you there. (laughs) 315 00:17:41,630 --> 00:17:44,797 (gentle guitar music) 316 00:18:01,750 --> 00:18:03,900 Basically, I was born in Miami, Florida. 317 00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:06,490 We sort of lived in the Hialeah side, 318 00:18:06,490 --> 00:18:09,040 right there on the borderline of Hialeah and Miami. 319 00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:12,380 - [Ruby] So how many brothers and sisters 320 00:18:12,380 --> 00:18:13,213 do you have? 321 00:18:14,340 --> 00:18:15,440 - [Leslie] Too many. 322 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:16,942 - [Ruby] Too many? 323 00:18:16,942 --> 00:18:18,185 Do you have two sisters-- 324 00:18:18,185 --> 00:18:22,230 - I had three sisters and two brothers. 325 00:18:22,230 --> 00:18:24,768 But my favorite sister died, and I really miss her. 326 00:18:24,768 --> 00:18:28,530 Just knowing that Harriet's not here anymore 327 00:18:28,530 --> 00:18:31,373 is a loss to the planet. 328 00:18:34,370 --> 00:18:38,380 - I'm the oldest, and then Harriet came next. 329 00:18:38,380 --> 00:18:42,930 And then Albert Leslie, who was an identical twin 330 00:18:42,930 --> 00:18:45,820 and John died shortly before the birth. 331 00:18:45,820 --> 00:18:47,320 And his name is John because they were born 332 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:48,970 on the Feast of John the Baptist. 333 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:51,543 Then there came along Frieda. 334 00:18:53,685 --> 00:18:56,530 And several years later, Patrick joined our family, 335 00:18:56,530 --> 00:18:57,783 and then Silas. 336 00:18:59,270 --> 00:19:01,300 Mom was a stay-at-home mom. 337 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:02,798 Dad worked. 338 00:19:02,798 --> 00:19:04,640 It seemed like a typical life. 339 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,900 We had our chores to do. 340 00:19:06,900 --> 00:19:10,330 My mother and father, it wasn't a loving couple. 341 00:19:10,330 --> 00:19:14,163 It was just two people married, raising children. 342 00:19:15,170 --> 00:19:17,670 We went to school at St. Mary's in Miami, 343 00:19:17,670 --> 00:19:19,370 which is now the cathedral. 344 00:19:19,370 --> 00:19:20,870 Because faith was very important, 345 00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:23,235 our religion was important. 346 00:19:23,235 --> 00:19:24,920 I was responsible for getting my 347 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,023 brothers and sisters to and from school. 348 00:19:28,420 --> 00:19:30,080 Albert was a handful. 349 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,530 He was always looking for attention. 350 00:19:34,530 --> 00:19:38,130 His teacher, Sister Josephine, could not control him. 351 00:19:38,130 --> 00:19:41,670 He was a class clown, I guess they would 352 00:19:41,670 --> 00:19:44,963 call them back in those days, a class clown. 353 00:19:44,963 --> 00:19:46,830 She had to put him outside on the front porch. 354 00:19:46,830 --> 00:19:50,053 So he sat outside on the steps all day long. 355 00:19:51,180 --> 00:19:53,780 He liked to shock. (laughs) 356 00:19:53,780 --> 00:19:55,203 He was a master at it. 357 00:19:57,190 --> 00:20:02,190 - My mom was, uh, as a mother she was great. 358 00:20:02,540 --> 00:20:04,460 She instilled in me the idea of getting 359 00:20:04,460 --> 00:20:08,010 a good education, and she was domineering. 360 00:20:08,010 --> 00:20:10,378 My dad was domineering, and so am I. 361 00:20:11,890 --> 00:20:13,803 And I'll tell you, I got my spankings. 362 00:20:17,630 --> 00:20:19,830 - My mother never got over the loss of John. 363 00:20:21,730 --> 00:20:26,150 It's crazy, but some parents blame the other child, 364 00:20:26,150 --> 00:20:28,090 and that's what she did. 365 00:20:28,090 --> 00:20:30,653 She had an extremely hard life herself. 366 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,530 Had a cold nature. 367 00:20:33,530 --> 00:20:36,390 I'm sure she loved us, but cold nature. 368 00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:38,430 She was brutal to Albert. 369 00:20:38,430 --> 00:20:40,628 At one point in his life would say to him, 370 00:20:40,628 --> 00:20:43,020 "I wish John had lived and you had died." 371 00:20:43,020 --> 00:20:44,563 It was horrible. 372 00:20:46,010 --> 00:20:48,250 - He didn't always speak much about his father, 373 00:20:48,250 --> 00:20:51,473 but I could tell he didn't like his father. 374 00:20:52,690 --> 00:20:55,973 He didn't like what happened in his childhood. 375 00:20:56,990 --> 00:20:59,613 He had a lot of sadness when he would talk about it. 376 00:21:01,670 --> 00:21:04,550 Whether it was the way he was disciplined, 377 00:21:04,550 --> 00:21:07,363 or the way the kids were treated. 378 00:21:08,910 --> 00:21:12,600 - [Alice] I mean, I do remember coming down the street 379 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,430 and seeing him under the tree in the front yard, 380 00:21:16,430 --> 00:21:19,050 wrapped in a sheet that he had peed, 381 00:21:19,050 --> 00:21:19,933 so the whole neighborhood could see 382 00:21:19,933 --> 00:21:21,453 that he peed his bed. 383 00:21:23,030 --> 00:21:25,940 - He said that his mom was cruel to him 384 00:21:25,940 --> 00:21:27,148 when he was young. 385 00:21:28,820 --> 00:21:31,750 He said that she, I don't know. 386 00:21:33,855 --> 00:21:35,305 I don't know if I should say. 387 00:21:36,780 --> 00:21:39,560 Think a P.E. coach finally found out about it. 388 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,840 One time when he was, he wouldn't, 389 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,940 he kept on refusing to take showers. 390 00:21:43,940 --> 00:21:45,670 So they finally made him take a shower 391 00:21:45,670 --> 00:21:48,968 and they saw he had marks on him. 392 00:21:56,110 --> 00:22:00,510 - As I think back on it, I believe that's why 393 00:22:00,510 --> 00:22:03,180 I was known as the perfect child, 394 00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:05,680 because I would do nothing wrong 395 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,653 because I didn't want to suffer what he was suffering. 396 00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:13,420 I left right after my 18th birthday. 397 00:22:13,420 --> 00:22:14,610 I eloped. 398 00:22:14,610 --> 00:22:17,170 My mother did not want me to leave. 399 00:22:17,170 --> 00:22:19,980 I was to stay and help raise the children 400 00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:23,110 and be there as her right hand. 401 00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:26,100 When I left, things started falling apart. 402 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:30,920 Albert left, Harriet wound up having 403 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,920 a boyfriend and having a child and getting married. 404 00:22:36,010 --> 00:22:38,563 And it just kind of went downhill after that. 405 00:22:39,810 --> 00:22:41,220 - It's hard enough for two domineering people 406 00:22:41,220 --> 00:22:42,780 to live together. 407 00:22:42,780 --> 00:22:44,383 But you get three domineering people, 408 00:22:44,383 --> 00:22:45,790 something had to give. 409 00:22:45,790 --> 00:22:47,620 So I bailed at 16. 410 00:22:47,620 --> 00:22:50,297 Because my parents were teaching me about 411 00:22:50,297 --> 00:22:52,590 it important to get an education, 412 00:22:52,590 --> 00:22:54,060 I stayed in school. 413 00:22:54,060 --> 00:22:56,610 And I worked hard to get my education, 414 00:22:56,610 --> 00:22:59,140 maintain my A average. 415 00:22:59,140 --> 00:23:02,443 Got an academic scholarship to Florida State University. 416 00:23:02,443 --> 00:23:05,193 I went there for a couple years, but I dropped out and joined the Navy. 417 00:23:06,443 --> 00:23:11,443 I enlisted in April, May of '73. 418 00:23:11,910 --> 00:23:16,297 And there's a real nice military picture of me in a uniform. 419 00:23:16,297 --> 00:23:18,050 One of the few pictures of me without my beard. 420 00:23:18,050 --> 00:23:19,523 Because during the military, the only time 421 00:23:19,523 --> 00:23:21,173 I haven't had this. 422 00:23:23,010 --> 00:23:25,010 - After those parts of his life, 423 00:23:25,010 --> 00:23:28,692 he started his nomad life, of being able to 424 00:23:28,692 --> 00:23:32,170 really figure out who he was, 425 00:23:32,170 --> 00:23:33,720 and what he wanted out of life. 426 00:23:35,130 --> 00:23:36,973 So what Mom and Dad did to him, 427 00:23:38,877 --> 00:23:40,193 he was his own man. 428 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,180 He was in charge of his life. 429 00:23:43,180 --> 00:23:44,343 He was in control. 430 00:23:45,220 --> 00:23:49,070 Now I know where all that showing off, 431 00:23:49,070 --> 00:23:51,963 all that negative behavior was coming from. 432 00:23:53,010 --> 00:23:56,493 Saying I'm a person, I am somebody. 433 00:23:59,260 --> 00:24:02,613 - Albert is the little boy. 434 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,720 Albert is the persona he had as a young person. 435 00:24:10,190 --> 00:24:13,120 And I don't think he liked Albert. 436 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,840 That's why he wanted to change his name. 437 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,533 He was ready to live. 438 00:24:18,770 --> 00:24:21,443 He loved that being in the spotlight. 439 00:24:23,380 --> 00:24:24,530 - [Woman] You know, the motto of Austin 440 00:24:24,530 --> 00:24:25,840 is "Keep Austin Weird." 441 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,150 - [TV Host] Do you notice a weirdness 442 00:24:27,150 --> 00:24:28,460 around you when you're in Austin? 443 00:24:28,460 --> 00:24:29,293 - [Connie] I do. 444 00:24:29,293 --> 00:24:30,990 Well for instance, there's a guy in Austin, 445 00:24:30,990 --> 00:24:32,480 who they call the mayor of Austin, 446 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,320 who's not actually the mayor of Austin, 447 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,620 but they call him the mayor. 448 00:24:35,620 --> 00:24:36,453 - [TV Host] Of course, why not? 449 00:24:36,453 --> 00:24:37,450 - Which is weird. 450 00:24:37,450 --> 00:24:40,220 And he walks around town and everybody 451 00:24:40,220 --> 00:24:41,400 knows his name except for me. 452 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,540 I just call him the mayor. 453 00:24:42,540 --> 00:24:44,710 But he walks around town in a thong, 454 00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:49,080 and a very short tank top. 455 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,080 - [TV Host] That may be a little too weird for me, honestly. 456 00:24:55,725 --> 00:24:57,530 - Howdy, folks. 457 00:24:57,530 --> 00:25:00,260 Welcome to the campaign. 458 00:25:00,260 --> 00:25:04,110 - Leslie was very serious about running for mayor 459 00:25:04,110 --> 00:25:09,110 and honestly believed that he had a shot at winning it. 460 00:25:09,290 --> 00:25:12,420 - This is a very bold move by a homeless person, 461 00:25:12,420 --> 00:25:14,260 to actually consider running for the position 462 00:25:14,260 --> 00:25:16,720 of mayor of the city of Austin. 463 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,260 And it shows a lot of gumption, 464 00:25:19,260 --> 00:25:20,442 shows a lot of guts. 465 00:25:20,442 --> 00:25:22,858 (rock music) 466 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,432 - [Cindy] The "American Statesman" didn't think 467 00:25:27,432 --> 00:25:29,313 he was a serious candidate. 468 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,943 He was kind of an interesting side story. 469 00:25:35,410 --> 00:25:37,580 - Leslie certainly put himself in opposition 470 00:25:37,580 --> 00:25:39,240 with other candidates on certain issues. 471 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,460 He was an advocate for keeping the Austin 472 00:25:42,460 --> 00:25:45,320 sense of place, that was rapidly changing, 473 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,960 and a lot of people knew it was rapidly changing. 474 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,265 - Hey folks, check out all the traffic over here. 475 00:25:50,265 --> 00:25:51,780 See all that traffic? 476 00:25:51,780 --> 00:25:54,208 We got a lot of traffic on this road. 477 00:25:54,208 --> 00:25:56,030 And you look down here, we got a lot of traffic 478 00:25:56,030 --> 00:25:57,920 coming down Lamar too. 479 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,740 We're at Sixth and Lamar and we're looking 480 00:26:00,740 --> 00:26:02,100 and we're talking about smart growth. 481 00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:04,720 What other people are talking about growth? 482 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,180 We're being overcrowded right now 483 00:26:07,180 --> 00:26:09,300 with an influx of people, and we need 484 00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:12,340 to do something about this so we can 485 00:26:12,340 --> 00:26:14,470 have a little more livable condition 486 00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:16,480 for those who live here. 487 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,620 We need to get the light rail 488 00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:21,320 and put it in as soon as possible. 489 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,120 - In 2000, he was talking about corporate subsidies, 490 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:29,320 about politicians just bending over backwards 491 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,930 to bring these large corporations to town. 492 00:26:31,930 --> 00:26:35,460 He had seen already, and was already witnessing, 493 00:26:35,460 --> 00:26:38,390 how wealthy individuals was pricing out 494 00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:41,170 the working class, artist class, 495 00:26:41,170 --> 00:26:43,020 the people that made this city great. 496 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,960 - [Woman] I'd vote for you! 497 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,520 - Appreciate it, thank you. 498 00:26:47,617 --> 00:26:49,795 Hey don't forget to vote for me tomorrow. 499 00:26:49,795 --> 00:26:50,660 There's eight people on the ballot. 500 00:26:50,660 --> 00:26:53,545 Leslie Cochran, number seven on the ballot out of eight. 501 00:26:53,545 --> 00:26:55,242 - [Joshua] One of the first times he ran it was Kirk Watson 502 00:26:55,242 --> 00:26:57,330 and later on, it was Will Wynn. 503 00:26:57,330 --> 00:26:58,970 - And even though times are tough 504 00:26:58,970 --> 00:27:01,510 and everybody knows it, and folks are hurting right now, 505 00:27:01,510 --> 00:27:03,050 the community-- - And both those individuals 506 00:27:03,050 --> 00:27:06,200 were very keen on making Austin 507 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,900 a business-friendly, tech-friendly, 508 00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:11,510 walkable, livable, desirable downtown. 509 00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:13,060 - We've gone upon a greedy growth plan 510 00:27:13,060 --> 00:27:15,020 and the greedy growth plan is killing 511 00:27:15,020 --> 00:27:16,640 a large part of our culture. 512 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:17,560 We must protect-- 513 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,303 The one way I differed from the other candidates 514 00:27:19,303 --> 00:27:21,930 is I said, hey, let's keep Austin Austin. 515 00:27:21,930 --> 00:27:24,210 The candidates that put in on the city charter 516 00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:26,340 to keep Austin Austin, was doing everything 517 00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:28,200 it can kill what is Austin. 518 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,860 They're saying what people wanna hear, 519 00:27:29,860 --> 00:27:31,100 but they're doing just the opposite. 520 00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:32,310 And that's the trouble with politicians. 521 00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:34,080 They have a habit of doing that. 522 00:27:35,810 --> 00:27:37,240 - There were a percentage of people 523 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,030 who voted for him because he was funny. 524 00:27:40,030 --> 00:27:41,323 Austin being the way it is. 525 00:27:41,323 --> 00:27:44,080 There's a certain kick or weirdness to Austin. 526 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,293 Why not vote for Leslie for mayor? 527 00:27:48,203 --> 00:27:49,800 The number of votes he got tended 528 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,323 to fall off each time he ran. 529 00:27:53,580 --> 00:27:55,960 And was terribly depressed every time 530 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,083 he ran and wasn't elected. 531 00:28:01,170 --> 00:28:03,610 - If the people of Austin pulled it off 532 00:28:03,610 --> 00:28:05,850 and made me the mayor, I got 533 00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:09,533 nothing but work, work, work. 534 00:28:09,533 --> 00:28:12,232 I mean, I got nothing but work. 535 00:28:12,232 --> 00:28:13,510 And you know what? 536 00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:15,533 I'll work my ass off for this town. 537 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,000 - Leslie could not dwell on bad stuff. 538 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,340 He was always more than willing 539 00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:26,693 to move on, to let's have fun. 540 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,040 - [Ruby] How's it going? 541 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,448 - Oh pretty good. - Good. 542 00:28:40,448 --> 00:28:41,282 - Good to see you again. 543 00:28:41,282 --> 00:28:43,540 - [Ruby] Good to see you, what's going on today? 544 00:28:43,540 --> 00:28:45,510 - Well, I'm sitting back, relaxing, 545 00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:47,260 I'm avoiding work. 546 00:28:47,260 --> 00:28:49,940 I've got to clean up all that mess out there 547 00:28:49,940 --> 00:28:51,713 and I'm waiting for it to cool off. 548 00:28:53,490 --> 00:28:54,933 - [Ruby] Where do you get everything? 549 00:28:54,933 --> 00:28:57,890 - I get most of it from the garbage, 550 00:28:57,890 --> 00:28:59,303 except for the DVDs. 551 00:29:00,528 --> 00:29:01,818 - [Ruby] You've got lamps, 552 00:29:01,818 --> 00:29:04,480 all your clothes are so organized. 553 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,270 - Yep, it will be eventually. 554 00:29:06,270 --> 00:29:08,640 - Leslie lived in a few different places. 555 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,620 A lot of times, it was in his sleeping bag. 556 00:29:11,620 --> 00:29:15,330 He lived on people's couches. 557 00:29:15,330 --> 00:29:20,330 Another time he lived in a beautiful house in Westlake. 558 00:29:21,770 --> 00:29:24,068 This was very typical Leslie. 559 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,100 One of his friends had a house for sale, 560 00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:31,823 so she let him stay there for probably two months. 561 00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:36,163 - Ah, the master bedroom. 562 00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:40,090 I love the mirrors, aren't they great? 563 00:29:40,090 --> 00:29:41,760 - I think he probably got along better 564 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,560 in Westlake, because Westlake was fancy 565 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,920 and Leslie was fancy. 566 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,200 He related and they related to him. 567 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,280 During the time I knew him, Leslie seemed 568 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,400 to cope pretty well. 569 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,140 But then with me he had a home base 570 00:29:55,140 --> 00:29:58,003 and had a pace to sleep in peace. 571 00:29:59,450 --> 00:30:02,240 - [Leslie] I really like being housed more than not housed. 572 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,710 But not having the money or the means 573 00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:05,500 to be housed, doesn't stop me from 574 00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:07,590 living a very full and beautiful life. 575 00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:09,850 Hey, soon as I can, I'll be out of the street. 576 00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:11,710 But in the meantime, while I'm here 577 00:30:11,710 --> 00:30:13,660 I might as well make the best of it. 578 00:30:15,610 --> 00:30:19,990 - [Ruby] He had a friend that was remodeling her house. 579 00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:22,760 He did a lot of work for her. 580 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,330 That's how he bought one of his sheds. 581 00:30:24,330 --> 00:30:26,488 He redid all of her floors. 582 00:30:26,488 --> 00:30:28,888 - You ain't taking pictures of my butt, are you? 583 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,170 - My sense of why people would welcome 584 00:30:34,170 --> 00:30:37,410 Leslie into their homes, or include them 585 00:30:37,410 --> 00:30:40,373 in their lives, is that he made that very easy to do. 586 00:30:42,330 --> 00:30:44,583 There was Leslie on, and then there was 587 00:30:44,583 --> 00:30:46,280 just plain Leslie. 588 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,510 That sounds so ordinary, (chuckling) 589 00:30:48,510 --> 00:30:50,800 and I almost feel Leslie tapping on my shoulder 590 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,408 saying, "I was never ordinary." 591 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,520 I didn't hold back any of myself from Leslie. 592 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,890 I don't have the sense he held back himself from me. 593 00:30:58,890 --> 00:31:02,350 We were just friends that kind of clicked. 594 00:31:02,350 --> 00:31:05,460 Leslie taught me a lot about myself. 595 00:31:05,460 --> 00:31:08,300 He was a very good friend, and listening 596 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:10,158 and helping me sort things out. 597 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,250 - [Friend] Leslie, when you know him really well, 598 00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:19,283 you get to see all the sides of him. 599 00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:27,200 - [Man On TV] This gun was hand-crafted 600 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,740 to my specifications, and I rarely 601 00:31:29,740 --> 00:31:31,373 draw it unless I mean to use it. 602 00:31:33,653 --> 00:31:36,403 (dramatic music) 603 00:31:37,530 --> 00:31:39,870 - Leslie and his movies. 604 00:31:39,870 --> 00:31:43,770 He has a great interest in western movies. 605 00:31:43,770 --> 00:31:47,083 Which is something you wouldn't think of about him. 606 00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:53,410 - I think when he was a child, watching westerns 607 00:31:53,410 --> 00:31:56,893 that was a happier part of his childhood. 608 00:32:11,998 --> 00:32:14,498 - [Friend] It was always about fighting injustice. 609 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,043 (gentle piano music) 610 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,130 - Trapper was just Trapper. 611 00:32:44,130 --> 00:32:45,490 A long-haired hippie boy. 612 00:32:45,490 --> 00:32:48,403 And, you know, he was called Trapper Al for a reason. 613 00:32:50,110 --> 00:32:51,290 He was a guy. 614 00:32:51,290 --> 00:32:54,040 I mean, he was definitely a guy. 615 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,500 We hung in different groups. 616 00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:57,090 But you know, it's a little town. 617 00:32:57,090 --> 00:32:58,940 You run into each other all the time. 618 00:33:00,350 --> 00:33:04,790 - Trapper was who Leslie was in the '70s 619 00:33:04,790 --> 00:33:06,383 in Oak Creek, Colorado. 620 00:33:10,420 --> 00:33:15,420 My image of him is more of a hippie/mountain man. 621 00:33:18,390 --> 00:33:20,993 - Trapper, I love that, that's so charming. 622 00:33:33,085 --> 00:33:33,918 - [Ruby] Yeah? 623 00:33:37,710 --> 00:33:40,560 - [Ruby] Leslie hitchhiked all over the country. 624 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,563 And he showed up in Oak Creek and it felt like home to him. 625 00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:50,630 - I was working for the town in, let's see, 626 00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:55,630 I think it was 1977, for $2.50 an hour. 627 00:33:56,860 --> 00:33:58,852 In the '70s when the hippies were here, 628 00:33:58,852 --> 00:34:02,083 it was much more laid back. 629 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,670 - [Ruby] Years later, I got a letter from 630 00:34:06,670 --> 00:34:08,840 one of Leslie's friends from Oak Creek, 631 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,340 and she told me about this part of his life. 632 00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:13,418 His friend Cheryl Lynn said, "Trapper Al 633 00:34:13,418 --> 00:34:15,260 "just showed up one day." 634 00:34:15,260 --> 00:34:17,050 They never knew where he came from, 635 00:34:17,050 --> 00:34:19,320 just that he had been hitchhiking. 636 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,090 Trapper Al would play his guitar in Oak Creek 637 00:34:22,090 --> 00:34:25,450 and Steamboat and that's how he made some money. 638 00:34:25,450 --> 00:34:27,420 I wasn't surprised to learn from her 639 00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:29,583 that he always had his flask with him. 640 00:34:30,810 --> 00:34:33,240 - I mean, it's nothing like it was in those days. 641 00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:35,590 In those days, everybody partied all night 642 00:34:35,590 --> 00:34:37,020 and worked all day. 643 00:34:37,020 --> 00:34:38,820 Thursday nights became Boogie Night. 644 00:34:40,060 --> 00:34:42,150 Band would be on break and you'd walk up on stage 645 00:34:42,150 --> 00:34:44,255 and there'd be people boinking behind the drum set, 646 00:34:44,255 --> 00:34:46,910 you know? (chuckling) 647 00:34:46,910 --> 00:34:48,220 Crazy. 648 00:34:48,220 --> 00:34:52,480 - People from Craig, and Steamboat, and Vail 649 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,635 would all come and the place would be packed 650 00:34:54,635 --> 00:34:55,993 for Boogie Night. 651 00:34:56,918 --> 00:34:59,573 It was a good night to just go out and have fun. 652 00:35:18,083 --> 00:35:21,915 (motorcycle engine puttering) 653 00:35:23,325 --> 00:35:26,158 (tires squealing) 654 00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:31,790 - He was riding his motorcycle and hit a deer 655 00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:34,620 and basically split the deer in half 656 00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:37,353 on his motorcycle. 657 00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:40,660 And he probably shouldn't have survived. 658 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,540 - And he was in a coma. 659 00:35:48,540 --> 00:35:50,750 They contacted my mother. 660 00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:54,030 My mother went to Colorado and never left his bedside 661 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,960 until he recovered. 662 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,920 I think that's when Mom realized how much 663 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,070 she truly loved her son. 664 00:36:02,070 --> 00:36:05,220 She realized that Albert wasn't 665 00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:08,488 responsible for John's death, you know? 666 00:36:08,488 --> 00:36:09,750 And the thought of losing him 667 00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:11,450 was more than she could deal with. 668 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,758 She would not let go of him. 669 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,210 - [Leslie] We all have mysteries, I guess. 670 00:36:19,210 --> 00:36:24,210 In 1977 I woke up in a hospital. 671 00:36:24,553 --> 00:36:26,433 I had been in a coma for 11 days. 672 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,873 I woke up with damaged memories. 673 00:36:37,610 --> 00:36:41,823 It's sort of strange waking up and having 674 00:36:41,823 --> 00:36:43,573 a big question about who in the fuck you are. 675 00:36:43,573 --> 00:36:48,330 And you can't tell anybody, because it's a scary thing, 676 00:36:48,330 --> 00:36:49,530 not knowing who you are. 677 00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:55,490 - My mother talked about everything a lot 678 00:36:55,490 --> 00:37:00,490 to try to get those connections back with him. 679 00:37:04,078 --> 00:37:05,880 - [Leslie] I think I got it all back. 680 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,830 Well, no, I know I don't got it all back 681 00:37:07,830 --> 00:37:11,540 because I have bad memories, or had 'em. 682 00:37:11,540 --> 00:37:14,140 But a good thing about waking up with no memory, 683 00:37:14,140 --> 00:37:15,360 you can remember what you want to remember. 684 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,290 You don't have to remember the nightmares. 685 00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:22,433 I know they're there, and I sort of got parts of them. 686 00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:27,585 I remember the good times. 687 00:37:27,585 --> 00:37:29,585 They're the only ones worth remembering. 688 00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:34,200 - [Alice] I think the head injury caused 689 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,650 a shift in his thought processes. 690 00:37:37,650 --> 00:37:41,723 He just wanted to find something better in his life. 691 00:37:43,610 --> 00:37:48,610 - It was maybe the impatience from his brain trauma. 692 00:37:49,940 --> 00:37:52,570 He was not afraid to live his life 693 00:37:52,570 --> 00:37:53,910 the way he wanted to. 694 00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:56,650 Your drive to live your life fully 695 00:37:56,650 --> 00:38:01,390 and with enjoyment becomes top priority, 696 00:38:01,390 --> 00:38:02,440 - Now check this out. 697 00:38:05,610 --> 00:38:06,573 You saw this one. 698 00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:13,560 Have you seen this one yet? 699 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,393 - [Ruby] I saw the second one. 700 00:38:14,393 --> 00:38:15,300 I haven't seen the-- 701 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:16,968 - You will love this one. 702 00:38:16,968 --> 00:38:17,810 It's a little more intriguing 703 00:38:17,810 --> 00:38:20,610 because it starts off with a guy, 704 00:38:20,610 --> 00:38:25,610 a fish out of the ocean, and he has amnesia. 705 00:38:29,650 --> 00:38:31,580 He doesn't know his name, he doesn't know 706 00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:32,963 anything about himself. 707 00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:36,020 So you will love that. 708 00:38:36,020 --> 00:38:37,020 It's a great... 709 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,850 - Leslie, he always thought about today 710 00:38:41,850 --> 00:38:43,480 and not about tomorrow. 711 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,500 So if he had money for some booze 712 00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:50,240 and a pack of cigarettes, then he'd worry 713 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:51,330 about tomorrow tomorrow. 714 00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:54,165 Today he had the money for he needed. 715 00:38:54,165 --> 00:38:55,748 - Ooh, hasta luego. 716 00:38:56,595 --> 00:38:58,940 If I get back to something important. 717 00:38:58,940 --> 00:39:01,630 Got it. (laughing) 718 00:39:01,630 --> 00:39:06,500 Sobriety is a rotten excuse not to get drunk. 719 00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:07,943 Trust me, I know. 720 00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:12,610 - [Ruby] So do you think you're an alcoholic? 721 00:39:12,610 --> 00:39:13,610 - Oh no. 722 00:39:13,610 --> 00:39:16,390 They go to meetings, I don't go to meetings. 723 00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:18,250 It's not what you do, it's how you do it. 724 00:39:18,250 --> 00:39:19,083 - Gorgeous. 725 00:39:20,420 --> 00:39:21,253 - Gorgeous. 726 00:39:21,253 --> 00:39:23,580 Will you take your right heel and put it 727 00:39:23,580 --> 00:39:26,140 in the middle of your left foot? 728 00:39:26,140 --> 00:39:27,730 - Fantastic, excellent. 729 00:39:28,853 --> 00:39:29,685 (camera clicking) 730 00:39:29,685 --> 00:39:31,180 - I think in the beginning stages, 731 00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:33,020 I don't think that Leslie really thought 732 00:39:33,020 --> 00:39:34,590 that this was something that was going to be 733 00:39:34,590 --> 00:39:37,710 seriously pursued, or that there would really be 734 00:39:37,710 --> 00:39:38,933 a follow-through on it. 735 00:39:39,795 --> 00:39:41,160 - [Reporter] It all started in this independent 736 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,910 book store, but the image of the half-dressed 737 00:39:42,910 --> 00:39:45,210 Austin queen has now made it to retailers 738 00:39:45,210 --> 00:39:48,650 in over 58 Texas cities and 23 states. 739 00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:50,610 - You know, it took almost from the time that it. 740 00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:54,230 Magnetic paper dolls originated as a joke 741 00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:55,663 into an actual product. 742 00:39:58,140 --> 00:39:59,640 - [Leslie] Yeah see, you take the basic thing, 743 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,065 you pick out the outfits and what they wear 744 00:40:01,065 --> 00:40:01,898 for the day. 745 00:40:01,898 --> 00:40:03,810 - Right now the supply can't meet the demand. 746 00:40:03,810 --> 00:40:05,530 They're just flying off the shelves 747 00:40:05,530 --> 00:40:08,680 at every retailer that they're at here in Austin. 748 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,590 - Leslie's part of Austin, so that's why 749 00:40:11,590 --> 00:40:12,480 we have (muffled speech) 750 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,790 - He's getting a percentage of the sales, 751 00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:17,240 and from what I understand he's doing quite well. 752 00:40:19,470 --> 00:40:21,800 - [Woman] What about those magnets at (muffled speech)? 753 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,260 - Jay Leno showed 'em on national TV. 754 00:40:24,260 --> 00:40:26,225 (mumbles) 755 00:40:26,225 --> 00:40:28,115 (audience clapping) 756 00:40:28,115 --> 00:40:29,520 - What have you got here? 757 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,920 - Well, while we were down there, Jay, 758 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,470 we bought this wonderful souvenir from Leslie, 759 00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:34,897 we thought we'd present that to you. 760 00:40:34,897 --> 00:40:35,730 - The laughs guy? 761 00:40:35,730 --> 00:40:36,657 Well this is, there you go. 762 00:40:36,657 --> 00:40:37,830 That is a lovely item to have. 763 00:40:37,830 --> 00:40:38,663 - [Wayne] It goes on your refrigerator. 764 00:40:38,663 --> 00:40:39,817 - Yeah, well thank you very much. 765 00:40:39,817 --> 00:40:41,333 (audience clapping) 766 00:40:41,333 --> 00:40:45,450 - That was the peak for him, the peak in his life. 767 00:40:45,450 --> 00:40:46,420 - [Ruby] How do you like being 768 00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:47,610 Leslie the celebrity now? 769 00:40:47,610 --> 00:40:48,740 - It is quite an honor. 770 00:40:48,740 --> 00:40:50,520 When you come to places like Austin 771 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,290 which has the most dynamic people around, 772 00:40:52,290 --> 00:40:56,440 and to have them do something special, girl? 773 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,840 It went straight to my head. 774 00:41:11,650 --> 00:41:15,120 - He bought a two-story storage shed. 775 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,350 It was like 12 by 12 by 12. 776 00:41:18,350 --> 00:41:20,100 He bought it with the magnet money, 777 00:41:21,930 --> 00:41:24,083 and he called it his house. 778 00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:27,643 - I used to make money. 779 00:41:27,643 --> 00:41:29,840 I used to make about $35,000 a year. 780 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,253 Back about 20 years ago. 781 00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:33,920 I was about 35, 36. 782 00:41:36,312 --> 00:41:38,895 (gentle music) 783 00:41:48,903 --> 00:41:52,250 I was working for Safeway Stores, Incorporated in Seattle. 784 00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:54,340 Not in the stores, but in the warehouse. 785 00:41:54,340 --> 00:41:55,530 It paid pretty good. 786 00:41:57,590 --> 00:42:01,593 Everybody only knew me as Trapper at Safeway. 787 00:42:03,380 --> 00:42:06,960 I even bought cars under the name of Trapper. 788 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,810 All my life, when I was working, 789 00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:10,210 I paid into Social Security. 790 00:42:24,928 --> 00:42:26,837 - When he was in Seattle, his life was 791 00:42:26,837 --> 00:42:29,350 normal like any one of us. 792 00:42:29,350 --> 00:42:32,100 He had a job, he was working at Safeway. 793 00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:33,200 Everything was normal. 794 00:43:14,210 --> 00:43:15,090 - Never met her. 795 00:43:15,090 --> 00:43:17,970 We got an announcement and I sent him a gift. 796 00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:22,200 I sent him and her beautiful place mats 797 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,293 with napkin rings. 798 00:43:26,580 --> 00:43:29,050 - [Ruby] How long were you together? 799 00:43:29,050 --> 00:43:32,270 - Oh, I knew her for years before we got married. 800 00:43:32,270 --> 00:43:34,300 She lived in Seattle. 801 00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:36,283 The marriage lasted about six months. 802 00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:15,000 - [Ruby] What year was this? 803 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,060 - Forget that, gone. 804 00:44:17,060 --> 00:44:18,028 - [Ruby] I know, but-- 805 00:44:18,028 --> 00:44:19,850 - I'm not talking, I'm not talking, okay? 806 00:44:19,850 --> 00:44:21,070 - [Ruby] I want people to see-- 807 00:44:21,070 --> 00:44:23,243 - I don't care what you want people to see. 808 00:44:23,243 --> 00:44:26,123 It's my private life, and you know. 809 00:44:26,963 --> 00:44:27,797 - [Ruby] Okay. 810 00:44:27,797 --> 00:44:28,717 - It's not for, you know. 811 00:44:28,717 --> 00:44:29,883 - [Ruby] Okay. 812 00:44:31,407 --> 00:44:33,073 - [Leslie] Whatever. 813 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,700 - The marriage dissolved. 814 00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:38,300 The job dissolved after that. 815 00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:40,620 And that's when life really started 816 00:44:40,620 --> 00:44:41,863 changing for my brother. 817 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,503 So whether the head injury ties in, 818 00:44:46,350 --> 00:44:48,960 he didn't want to be contained by the world, 819 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,290 and fit into a mold that people expected 820 00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:54,653 him to be, he became uninhibited. 821 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,453 Being more free to be himself. 822 00:44:59,790 --> 00:45:01,713 He became a modern-day gypsy. 823 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:06,403 Albert came to Atlanta, where I was living, 824 00:45:07,580 --> 00:45:09,853 and then to Tallahassee. 825 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,665 And then Albert went on his merry way 826 00:45:14,665 --> 00:45:17,993 and he found Austin, and he fit right in. 827 00:45:19,553 --> 00:45:20,780 - What exactly do you do? 828 00:45:20,780 --> 00:45:22,620 What's your job description here in Austin? 829 00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:23,675 - Oh, I don't really work at all. 830 00:45:23,675 --> 00:45:25,990 I'm just Leslie and I seem to have somehow 831 00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:27,670 gotten the attention of the people of Austin. 832 00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:30,000 They love me and I go down and I just, 833 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,830 a lot of people come up and want my picture. 834 00:45:32,830 --> 00:45:35,340 A few of 'em tip, keeps me alive. 835 00:45:35,340 --> 00:45:37,043 Just a traveler, and here I am. 836 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,330 - There were a couple years that I didn't 837 00:45:46,330 --> 00:45:47,870 shoot with Leslie at all. 838 00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:49,520 I needed a break. 839 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,570 He was doing his Leslie thing 840 00:45:51,570 --> 00:45:54,070 and still getting lots of attention. 841 00:45:54,070 --> 00:45:56,730 He did ads, movie cameos. 842 00:45:56,730 --> 00:45:59,083 His magnets were still selling. 843 00:46:00,260 --> 00:46:02,570 His fame was working for him. 844 00:46:02,570 --> 00:46:06,940 But in 2009, I remember getting a phone call 845 00:46:06,940 --> 00:46:10,793 from Val saying that Leslie was in the hospital. 846 00:46:10,793 --> 00:46:13,980 (sirens wailing) 847 00:46:13,980 --> 00:46:16,148 (beeping) 848 00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:36,040 - The doctors, they didn't think he was gonna make it. 849 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,730 That's when people thought he had died, 850 00:46:38,730 --> 00:46:40,373 that he was gonna be a vegetable. 851 00:46:40,373 --> 00:46:44,780 Because the hospital gave a really grim view 852 00:46:44,780 --> 00:46:46,143 of what was happening. 853 00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:50,483 - [Leslie] I woke up in the hospital. 854 00:46:50,483 --> 00:46:53,400 I had been in a coma for 11 days. 855 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,830 It's sort of strange waking up and having 856 00:46:57,830 --> 00:47:01,653 big question about who the fuck you are. 857 00:47:01,653 --> 00:47:04,403 (relaxing music) 858 00:47:21,553 --> 00:47:24,140 - I had asked the doctors whether they thought 859 00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:27,193 he was beat up or not, and they said no. 860 00:47:28,135 --> 00:47:30,973 They said it was most likely a seizure. 861 00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:34,530 But he came back with a vengeance. 862 00:47:34,530 --> 00:47:36,043 Yeah, he was determined. 863 00:47:37,310 --> 00:47:40,333 Every day he was improving, and his brain was waking up. 864 00:47:41,180 --> 00:47:43,853 He's not a vegetable, like the hospital thought. 865 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,960 - Leslie Cochran is back, okay? 866 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,380 He just wants to send his love 867 00:47:50,380 --> 00:47:52,338 and he'd like to give a little thanks here. 868 00:48:00,953 --> 00:48:03,450 - [George] Well, he's back, ladies and gentlemen. 869 00:48:03,450 --> 00:48:05,510 He is back. 870 00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:07,890 - I had him here at my home. 871 00:48:07,890 --> 00:48:11,970 He was improving by the hour and by the minute, 872 00:48:11,970 --> 00:48:14,220 where he was just getting his determination 873 00:48:14,220 --> 00:48:15,990 to get back out there. 874 00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:19,538 And the fifth day said, "They're waiting for me." 875 00:48:19,538 --> 00:48:21,690 And Leslie was gone. 876 00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:23,033 You couldn't stop him. 877 00:48:26,090 --> 00:48:29,440 I just came to a realization that Leslie 878 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,420 is going to live his life to the fullest until he dies. 879 00:48:35,610 --> 00:48:38,510 - We're out in front of the Sweet Leaf Tea, the truck. 880 00:48:38,510 --> 00:48:39,760 Or it's not even a truck. 881 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,290 It's like an oversized limo, 882 00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:45,150 where they're giving away free tea. 883 00:48:45,150 --> 00:48:47,210 And not only is that cool, Garrett, 884 00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:48,830 what are you doing out here besides 885 00:48:48,830 --> 00:48:50,350 taking advantage of the free tea? 886 00:48:50,350 --> 00:48:51,640 - Well tonight, we're looking for 887 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,560 none other than Leslie Cochran. 888 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,910 I haven't seen him yet, but we're gonna find him tonight. 889 00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:58,703 - [Reporter] Positive attitude, they're gonna find Leslie. 890 00:49:00,802 --> 00:49:01,950 - [Woman] Leslie, Leslie! 891 00:49:05,050 --> 00:49:05,883 Over here! 892 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,440 - [Ruby] I saw Leslie one day and one of the things, 893 00:49:13,063 --> 00:49:15,190 I guess, that shocked me the most 894 00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:17,383 was that he wasn't the same. 895 00:49:18,313 --> 00:49:19,903 - Hey, how you doing? 896 00:49:19,903 --> 00:49:22,593 - [Ruby] His age was starting to show. 897 00:49:24,260 --> 00:49:25,530 - There we go. 898 00:49:25,530 --> 00:49:27,410 - He was actually starting to look 899 00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:30,743 a little more like a homeless man. 900 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,270 - I got two hundreds, I just need one more hundred. 901 00:49:36,270 --> 00:49:38,420 Yeah, one more hundred. 902 00:49:38,420 --> 00:49:40,540 - [Ruby] How are your magnets going? 903 00:49:40,540 --> 00:49:41,373 - Slowly. 904 00:49:42,292 --> 00:49:43,710 And it's gonna get slower because this 905 00:49:43,710 --> 00:49:45,410 time of year nobody has any money. 906 00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:49,300 - I think the magnets could have been marketed 907 00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:51,140 much more widely than they were. 908 00:49:51,140 --> 00:49:52,810 It could have given him a steady income, 909 00:49:52,810 --> 00:49:55,460 I think, for a long time if he wanted it. 910 00:49:55,460 --> 00:49:56,540 But I think at the bottom of it, 911 00:49:56,540 --> 00:49:57,883 he doesn't trust anybody. 912 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,360 - I was willing to help for free, 913 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,360 but he was afraid I'd want a percentage. 914 00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:11,030 - [Ruby] Where are you sleeping right now? 915 00:50:24,330 --> 00:50:26,470 - I felt bad for him, because now 916 00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:28,743 all of his stuff was in a storage unit. 917 00:50:30,190 --> 00:50:32,100 He'd gotten kicked out of his friend's backyard, 918 00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:33,493 so he lost his shed. 919 00:50:37,630 --> 00:50:41,040 - With Leslie, it gets out of hand in a hurry. 920 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,280 The late hours, the junk. 921 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,623 Because nothing to Leslie was junk. 922 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,500 I moved to north of Annie. 923 00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:52,910 His response to that was to march up and down 924 00:50:52,910 --> 00:50:55,783 my driveway for weeks on end. 925 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,420 Looking back on it, Leslie was already 926 00:51:01,420 --> 00:51:05,610 not in control of himself in the way that he had been. 927 00:51:05,610 --> 00:51:07,680 At that point, I just moved him out of my life. 928 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,880 I moved his cart to a nearby side street, 929 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,363 and moved him out of my life. 930 00:51:13,970 --> 00:51:16,350 - [Ruby] Why do you think people are homeless? 931 00:51:16,350 --> 00:51:17,183 Why do you-- 932 00:51:18,017 --> 00:51:18,930 - [Ruby] What do you think causes them 933 00:51:18,930 --> 00:51:20,005 to be homeless? 934 00:51:25,098 --> 00:51:27,300 - [Ruby] Do you think maybe because they were abused? 935 00:51:42,550 --> 00:51:44,290 - I think he's estranged from his family. 936 00:51:44,290 --> 00:51:46,650 You know, I thought that maybe his sister, 937 00:51:46,650 --> 00:51:50,460 or not his brother, he can't stand his brother. 938 00:51:50,460 --> 00:51:53,740 I'm not aware of there being some person 939 00:51:53,740 --> 00:51:57,620 or place out there that is sort of 940 00:51:57,620 --> 00:52:02,093 a place that he can just go and just hang out. 941 00:52:03,260 --> 00:52:05,750 - He was in touch with his sister 942 00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:10,490 after the 2009 incident, and would be 943 00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:13,360 in touch with her a little bit. 944 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,823 So whatever that was with his family, 945 00:52:18,810 --> 00:52:21,023 there was definitely some disconnect. 946 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,810 - We all stayed in contact, but it was 947 00:52:25,810 --> 00:52:27,760 just like we were just a broken family. 948 00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:31,200 Dad died in '74. 949 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,520 Mom moved to an apartment. 950 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,270 Albert would call my mother. 951 00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:36,950 He would touch base. 952 00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:39,330 And I have to say, as his big sister, 953 00:52:39,330 --> 00:52:41,298 when he started the cross dressing big time 954 00:52:41,298 --> 00:52:43,420 I was embarrassed. 955 00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:45,973 I was like (inhales) oh my. 956 00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:50,433 I would be terribly upset by it. 957 00:52:52,060 --> 00:52:55,460 And he also knew it would get under my mother's skin, 958 00:52:55,460 --> 00:52:56,433 and it did. 959 00:52:59,070 --> 00:53:04,070 - He had a rough, difficult relationship with his mom. 960 00:53:04,170 --> 00:53:06,003 He came over the night she died. 961 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,930 He was pretty sad. 962 00:53:08,930 --> 00:53:10,833 It was the only time I ever saw him cry. 963 00:53:16,268 --> 00:53:19,268 - [Ruby] Were you close to your dad? 964 00:53:40,073 --> 00:53:40,907 Well. 965 00:53:46,860 --> 00:53:48,830 - During different conversations that 966 00:53:48,830 --> 00:53:51,310 Leslie and I had, he had had alluded 967 00:53:51,310 --> 00:53:55,440 to certain things, and some of that 968 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,640 he said he just didn't really want to talk about. 969 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,650 But why he decided to share that then, 970 00:54:00,650 --> 00:54:01,650 I really don't know. 971 00:54:05,032 --> 00:54:06,720 I think Leslie spent his whole life 972 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:11,030 running from the pain he experienced as a child. 973 00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:12,623 But those memories were there. 974 00:54:13,650 --> 00:54:17,513 - I only had one memory of something. 975 00:54:20,205 --> 00:54:21,273 But it came later. 976 00:54:22,780 --> 00:54:26,673 My father, he was abusing me, he was abusing my siblings. 977 00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:32,590 But he was an alcoholic and he was mentally sick. 978 00:54:34,380 --> 00:54:36,950 He came from severe abuse. 979 00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:39,230 There's no healing, and there wasn't counseling back then. 980 00:54:39,230 --> 00:54:41,330 You didn't take your family to counseling. 981 00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:46,400 The abuse stopped with me and my sister Harriet. 982 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,453 It continued with Albert and Frieda. 983 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:50,770 They got the worst of it. 984 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,453 I mean, they were two babies. 985 00:54:57,690 --> 00:55:01,530 Oh dear god. (cries) 986 00:55:01,530 --> 00:55:03,390 He was having them having relations 987 00:55:03,390 --> 00:55:05,143 when they were preschoolers. 988 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,193 It's beyond anything a child should ever suffer. 989 00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:14,603 And how my mother never knew, 990 00:55:16,140 --> 00:55:19,578 unless she was just blinded to it, I don't know. 991 00:55:19,578 --> 00:55:20,540 I don't know. 992 00:55:20,540 --> 00:55:22,533 The denial, I don't know. 993 00:55:26,090 --> 00:55:29,353 My memory was protected, you know. 994 00:55:29,353 --> 00:55:32,470 Because I think honestly if had the full memories 995 00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:34,653 like Albert had, I wouldn't be here today. 996 00:55:38,190 --> 00:55:42,463 Albert had the knowing and the memories. 997 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,230 - Well when the tough get going, 998 00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:52,440 oh no wait, when the tough gets rough, 999 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:53,510 the tough get going. 1000 00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:54,820 I just kept going. (laughs) 1001 00:55:54,820 --> 00:55:56,713 I got out, took care of myself. 1002 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,210 - Leslie was very resilient. 1003 00:56:13,210 --> 00:56:15,440 He always comes back, you know? 1004 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,205 He always comes back. 1005 00:56:18,205 --> 00:56:20,643 I knew he would again this time. 1006 00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:24,532 - Okay, I think this is gonna be good. 1007 00:56:24,532 --> 00:56:27,490 (upbeat rock music) 1008 00:56:27,490 --> 00:56:29,657 (screams) 1009 00:56:30,963 --> 00:56:33,880 ♪ Hey mama won't you come with me ♪ 1010 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,713 - Very nice, very good 1011 00:56:42,605 --> 00:56:44,890 ♪ Then don't you worry when I ♪ 1012 00:56:44,890 --> 00:56:48,440 - I was worried about Austin thinking Leslie was dead. 1013 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,990 I didn't want him to have to think that. 1014 00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:53,248 So when I told Leslie, he said, 1015 00:56:53,248 --> 00:56:55,158 "Oh, I like it when they think I'm dead. 1016 00:56:55,158 --> 00:56:56,810 "I get to surprise 'em." 1017 00:56:59,260 --> 00:57:02,823 If you walk with Leslie, you are walking with a movie star. 1018 00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:06,093 And he thrives on that attention. 1019 00:57:17,878 --> 00:57:20,220 - In the last year, with the economy 1020 00:57:20,220 --> 00:57:22,260 the way it is right now, people will all 1021 00:57:22,260 --> 00:57:24,380 want to have a picture with him, 1022 00:57:24,380 --> 00:57:27,090 and they don't tip him. 1023 00:57:27,090 --> 00:57:30,170 So people would buy him a beer 1024 00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:32,813 and so he just mostly drinks. 1025 00:57:56,910 --> 00:57:59,830 - You know, he made money by performing. 1026 00:57:59,830 --> 00:58:01,640 And people would tip him. 1027 00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,920 He said that Austin was changing too much for him, 1028 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,083 but I think he was changing as well. 1029 00:58:09,210 --> 00:58:11,840 - Leslie had been in Austin forever, 1030 00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:16,770 was successful, and I'm wondering if people understood 1031 00:58:16,770 --> 00:58:21,373 how much he needed financial support. 1032 00:58:21,373 --> 00:58:24,147 ♪ The skies are taller in Louisiana ♪ 1033 00:58:24,147 --> 00:58:27,210 ♪ Skies are wider than Mexico ♪ 1034 00:58:27,210 --> 00:58:30,390 ♪ Skies in Texas kinda split the difference ♪ 1035 00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:33,160 ♪ They don't suit me no matter where I go ♪ 1036 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,292 ♪ I ain't got a place ♪ 1037 00:58:36,292 --> 00:58:39,368 ♪ I ain't got a place in this world ♪ 1038 00:58:39,368 --> 00:58:42,453 ♪ I ain't got a place ♪ 1039 00:58:42,453 --> 00:58:47,453 ♪ I ain't got a place in this world anymore ♪ 1040 00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:00,010 - [Liz] I don't know why or how I ended up with Leslie, 1041 00:59:00,010 --> 00:59:01,453 and he's never gone away. 1042 00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:10,100 - Well I will as long as he, you know, 1043 00:59:10,100 --> 00:59:12,960 goes by the boundaries, which is 1044 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,840 you don't come in too late at night. 1045 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,550 You don't come in here drunk. 1046 00:59:16,550 --> 00:59:18,082 You saw how crowded my house is. 1047 00:59:18,082 --> 00:59:21,120 There's no way that people falling down 1048 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,768 can work in there. 1049 00:59:23,768 --> 00:59:26,370 - She exaggerates that a little bit. 1050 00:59:26,370 --> 00:59:28,970 - Well, there's been a couple times. 1051 00:59:28,970 --> 00:59:32,280 - Hell, I'd be sitting here, I'd be sitting 1052 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:33,630 in the chair right there awake, 1053 00:59:33,630 --> 00:59:36,740 and she comes and say, "Oh, you can't be sleeping 1054 00:59:36,740 --> 00:59:38,173 in my front yard" and I'm not sleeping! 1055 00:59:40,050 --> 00:59:41,687 I'll try to be nice about it. 1056 00:59:41,687 --> 00:59:42,748 - [Ruby] Okay. 1057 00:59:42,748 --> 00:59:43,910 - And if I'm not, you can edit it out. 1058 00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:45,940 - Well try real hard, because I don't know 1059 00:59:45,940 --> 00:59:47,640 where else you're going right now. 1060 00:59:48,828 --> 00:59:49,680 - Yep. 1061 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,370 - He wanted to live with me, but I don't 1062 00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:54,340 wanna live with alcohol. 1063 00:59:54,340 --> 00:59:56,470 And yeah, sometimes I've asked him to leave 1064 00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:59,640 because it gets pretty intense. 1065 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,960 But I always want to be able to have him back. 1066 01:00:05,290 --> 01:00:07,503 So he's more than welcome at my home. 1067 01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:09,593 It's hard though. 1068 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,470 - I always kept my boundaries with him, 1069 01:00:13,470 --> 01:00:17,870 because I knew how he was with him 1070 01:00:17,870 --> 01:00:22,870 taking more than was comfortable with some people. 1071 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:28,200 Because once you give Leslie something, he wants more. 1072 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,160 - Finding the right answer, the right place 1073 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:41,080 for him to go and to have some support, 1074 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:42,963 something that he can deal with, 1075 01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:47,183 is not an easy task. 1076 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,080 He's making excuses for everything. 1077 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,510 Oh, that's too far out, or it's too much money. 1078 01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:55,070 And then he doesn't want to go through the process. 1079 01:00:55,070 --> 01:00:57,840 So every time, let's go sit down and we'll apply 1080 01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:02,450 and do the process, he doesn't want to do that. 1081 01:01:02,450 --> 01:01:06,300 I'm worried, but by the same token, I can only 1082 01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:09,140 support him the way he is asking for support. 1083 01:01:34,413 --> 01:01:36,470 - I think it's frustrating for the people 1084 01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:38,643 who are really close to him. 1085 01:01:42,270 --> 01:01:44,858 I think most people wouldn't, you know, 1086 01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,310 really want to put up with having 1087 01:01:48,310 --> 01:01:50,670 an ongoing friendship with him over time, 1088 01:01:50,670 --> 01:01:52,633 because it's kind of maddening. 1089 01:01:55,588 --> 01:02:00,260 - Oh (sighs loudly) guess who that is? 1090 01:02:00,260 --> 01:02:01,220 I better go see. 1091 01:02:01,220 --> 01:02:02,913 He owes me 40 bucks. 1092 01:02:09,310 --> 01:02:11,220 - [Bob] I know, I know. 1093 01:02:11,220 --> 01:02:13,090 I know, it's kinda hit and miss. 1094 01:02:13,090 --> 01:02:14,223 All righty. 1095 01:02:15,890 --> 01:02:17,460 - [Bob] I know. 1096 01:02:21,483 --> 01:02:22,790 - [Bob] What? 1097 01:02:24,330 --> 01:02:27,210 - [Bob] Man, you are so persuasive. 1098 01:02:27,210 --> 01:02:29,530 I don't know if I have a 10. 1099 01:02:29,530 --> 01:02:30,690 I have eight bucks. 1100 01:02:33,810 --> 01:02:35,310 - [Bob] So you owe me an odd number. 1101 01:02:35,310 --> 01:02:36,785 48 bucks, okay? 1102 01:02:36,785 --> 01:02:37,750 - [Leslie] Okay. 1103 01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:38,613 - [Bob] All right. 1104 01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:42,210 - [Bob] If you bring me 50, I'll give you two back. 1105 01:02:42,210 --> 01:02:43,360 I'll have two ones by then. 1106 01:02:44,193 --> 01:02:45,115 - [Bob] Okay. 1107 01:02:45,115 --> 01:02:45,948 (laughing) 1108 01:02:45,948 --> 01:02:46,780 - [Leslie] Thanks. 1109 01:02:46,780 --> 01:02:47,613 - All right. 1110 01:02:55,982 --> 01:02:59,888 Well, that is kind of what he does all the time. 1111 01:02:59,888 --> 01:03:02,710 "I just wanted to say hello, nothing special." 1112 01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:06,263 At the end it's like, "You don't have 20 bucks?" 1113 01:03:06,263 --> 01:03:08,347 (laughs) 1114 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,160 But, he always pays me back. 1115 01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,653 So I think it says something about his character. 1116 01:03:16,420 --> 01:03:20,310 - I had to be real creative to help Leslie. 1117 01:03:20,310 --> 01:03:23,913 'Cause I didn't want to make him feel bad. 1118 01:03:25,650 --> 01:03:27,660 He needed help, and I could help him 1119 01:03:27,660 --> 01:03:30,823 without thinking he was asking for help. 1120 01:03:33,570 --> 01:03:37,130 Well we threw a birthday party, fundraiser for him. 1121 01:03:37,130 --> 01:03:38,580 That brought a lot of people. 1122 01:03:40,103 --> 01:03:42,680 The people who really cared. 1123 01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,308 - What's it like to have buddies like this 1124 01:03:44,308 --> 01:03:46,140 to actually-- - Oh man. 1125 01:03:49,188 --> 01:03:54,188 ♪ I got a heart but it don't work like it should ♪ 1126 01:03:57,755 --> 01:04:00,200 ♪ I got a heart but I just can't ♪ 1127 01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,070 - It's as an important event as any. 1128 01:04:03,070 --> 01:04:07,223 You know, Leslie turning 60 is most certainly an event. 1129 01:04:08,930 --> 01:04:11,368 - Precarious job living in a road like that. 1130 01:04:11,368 --> 01:04:13,900 You know, he's been doing it for decades. 1131 01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:16,285 - I actually hope that he has a place 1132 01:04:16,285 --> 01:04:19,620 to live right now, because it's tough 1133 01:04:19,620 --> 01:04:21,697 living in the streets, I'm sure. 1134 01:04:21,697 --> 01:04:26,280 ♪ I hear the whistle but the train ain't coming back ♪ 1135 01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,430 - I helped Leslie apply for SSI 1136 01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:31,393 for his Social Security check. 1137 01:04:32,573 --> 01:04:35,560 - I'm calling to check on the status 1138 01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,400 of my SSI check and when it's gonna be here. 1139 01:04:57,295 --> 01:04:58,730 Yeah! 1140 01:04:58,730 --> 01:05:00,170 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! 1141 01:05:00,170 --> 01:05:03,110 - And then he had regular money that he 1142 01:05:03,110 --> 01:05:04,170 could count on. 1143 01:05:04,170 --> 01:05:06,103 He just needed money to live on. 1144 01:05:08,430 --> 01:05:12,970 - Leslie represents what it was like when I came here. 1145 01:05:12,970 --> 01:05:15,560 I don't know if he or I still represent 1146 01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,660 what it is now, but we're still here. 1147 01:05:18,660 --> 01:05:21,570 And that says amazing things about, 1148 01:05:21,570 --> 01:05:23,310 we have a culture here. 1149 01:05:23,310 --> 01:05:25,060 We may have to be going underground, 1150 01:05:25,060 --> 01:05:26,573 but we're still a culture. 1151 01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,620 - [Valerie] He was a star at that birthday party. 1152 01:05:29,620 --> 01:05:33,298 - I want to thank you all because man, 1153 01:05:33,298 --> 01:05:35,550 you made me feel like I'm somebody. 1154 01:05:35,550 --> 01:05:37,810 - Happy birthday, Leslie, how 'bout that? 1155 01:05:37,810 --> 01:05:40,003 Cheers! (cheering) 1156 01:05:40,003 --> 01:05:42,835 - Thank you, thank you, thank you. 1157 01:05:45,538 --> 01:05:50,538 ♪ I got a heart but it don't work like it should ♪ 1158 01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,668 - I forgot to check the mail today. 1159 01:05:53,668 --> 01:05:56,008 - Oh, ah. 1160 01:05:56,008 --> 01:05:58,903 Oh! 1161 01:06:01,183 --> 01:06:03,160 Yeah, something impressive. 1162 01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:04,110 Couple checks here. 1163 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,763 Oh, $2,022, ta da! 1164 01:06:10,253 --> 01:06:12,620 - Just like you said. 1165 01:06:12,620 --> 01:06:15,680 I think Leslie was ready for a home 1166 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:19,303 and have his independence back. 1167 01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,500 Home means a place where you can feel safe. 1168 01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:30,470 Where you can take off the face you might 1169 01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:33,950 have to be wearing out in public. 1170 01:06:33,950 --> 01:06:35,343 It's where you lay down. 1171 01:07:06,173 --> 01:07:09,090 (muffled speaking) 1172 01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,260 - [Nurse] So you're feeling okay? 1173 01:07:40,140 --> 01:07:41,213 - He's very stubborn. 1174 01:07:42,170 --> 01:07:45,450 You can't really tell him what to do. 1175 01:07:45,450 --> 01:07:47,345 Is that enabling at this point? 1176 01:07:47,345 --> 01:07:48,410 You know, I don't know. 1177 01:07:48,410 --> 01:07:50,210 I mean, I think he's made his choice. 1178 01:07:50,210 --> 01:07:52,440 I think he made his choice a long time ago. 1179 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,430 They say if he just keeps on this path 1180 01:07:54,430 --> 01:07:56,440 it's just a matter of time. 1181 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,930 - The seizures are starting to be more frequent. 1182 01:07:59,930 --> 01:08:03,400 And so it takes him longer to recover from them. 1183 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,143 His drinking doesn't help. 1184 01:08:06,190 --> 01:08:08,610 - I'm done, I'm over, I'm done with it. 1185 01:08:08,610 --> 01:08:11,970 He took his money and went to the liquor store. 1186 01:08:11,970 --> 01:08:14,190 Right now we're watching him kill himself, 1187 01:08:14,190 --> 01:08:15,930 and that's too hard for me to do, 1188 01:08:15,930 --> 01:08:17,460 and I'm not gonna do it anymore. 1189 01:08:17,460 --> 01:08:19,430 He's not allowed at my house. 1190 01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:21,280 And then when he's gonna be out of money, 1191 01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,940 he's gonna be calling you, you, me, and Valerie 1192 01:08:24,940 --> 01:08:28,388 and going, "Oh, I don't have any money, 1193 01:08:28,388 --> 01:08:29,620 "I have nowhere..." 1194 01:08:29,620 --> 01:08:31,460 He's gonna pull the same old routine, 1195 01:08:31,460 --> 01:08:32,800 and the only way we're gonna end it 1196 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,550 is to cut him off. 1197 01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:37,333 I, number one, am not gonna enable him any more. 1198 01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,160 - [Nurse] You have a serious condition, 1199 01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,700 which is why they want you here in the first place. 1200 01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:45,083 - Are you sure you don't want to spend one more night here? 1201 01:08:46,705 --> 01:08:48,710 Are you sure you don't want to spend one more night here? 1202 01:08:55,170 --> 01:08:56,290 - [Nurse] You weren't even conscious though, 1203 01:08:56,290 --> 01:08:58,980 until early this morning. 1204 01:08:58,980 --> 01:09:00,220 I mean, today's your first day you've had 1205 01:09:00,220 --> 01:09:02,570 a fully coherent day, that you knew where you were 1206 01:09:02,570 --> 01:09:04,560 and the date and all that, so. 1207 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,573 - [Ruby] Colorado was a happy memory for Leslie. 1208 01:09:36,260 --> 01:09:41,040 So much so, that he actually had gone back in 2006. 1209 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,370 He just took off and hitchhiked his way around 1210 01:09:43,370 --> 01:09:45,410 until he got back to Oak Creek. 1211 01:09:45,410 --> 01:09:48,413 But he went back as Leslie, not as Trapper Al. 1212 01:09:53,010 --> 01:09:55,740 - He came in and sat down at the bar 1213 01:09:55,740 --> 01:09:58,100 and asked me if I remembered him, 1214 01:09:58,100 --> 01:10:02,468 and I didn't, until he told me who he was. 1215 01:10:02,468 --> 01:10:04,363 He was dressed very eccentric. 1216 01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:07,830 - [Ruby] So you showed up in this town 1217 01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:10,010 dressed in a Star Trek uniform? 1218 01:10:10,010 --> 01:10:11,468 - Oh yes, it was nice hitchhiking around 1219 01:10:11,468 --> 01:10:13,980 in my Star Trek outfit. 1220 01:10:13,980 --> 01:10:15,320 - Boy was he different. 1221 01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,170 He had on like Lieutenant Uhura or something. 1222 01:10:18,170 --> 01:10:21,510 It was a Star Wars outfit with the big boobs 1223 01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:24,018 and the long nails, and then full beard. 1224 01:10:24,018 --> 01:10:25,900 (laughing) You know? 1225 01:10:25,900 --> 01:10:27,990 You know here, I think, was a memory lane 1226 01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:30,490 sort of trip for him, but see, a lot 1227 01:10:30,490 --> 01:10:32,390 of those people aren't around anymore. 1228 01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:37,920 - It was Labor Day weekend. 1229 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,440 The town folks all come out. 1230 01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:42,650 Everybody does the parade and hangs out in the park, 1231 01:10:42,650 --> 01:10:45,470 and we have music and bands and parties and stuff. 1232 01:10:45,470 --> 01:10:49,620 So he came strutting by with fuck me pumps, 1233 01:10:49,620 --> 01:10:52,800 and a leopard skin short skirt thing, 1234 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,400 and I believe it was a pink boa. 1235 01:10:55,660 --> 01:10:57,628 I did learn, just asking around, 1236 01:10:57,628 --> 01:10:59,408 "Who's the crazy guy in the pink halter top 1237 01:10:59,408 --> 01:11:00,298 "I just met?" 1238 01:11:02,312 --> 01:11:04,500 - It's like, oh my grace, who is this? 1239 01:11:04,500 --> 01:11:07,090 It was kind of a shocking because this is 1240 01:11:07,090 --> 01:11:09,810 a little, kinda probably a little redneck town, 1241 01:11:09,810 --> 01:11:11,123 if you wanna call it that. 1242 01:11:13,010 --> 01:11:15,198 There was some that didn't really care for him. 1243 01:11:15,198 --> 01:11:16,030 "Where are you from? 1244 01:11:16,030 --> 01:11:17,640 "You need to go back to where you're from." 1245 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,520 Or whatever, you know. 1246 01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,530 So as long as he was in here, he was safe. 1247 01:11:22,530 --> 01:11:23,710 - [Ruby] What was your favorite thing 1248 01:11:23,710 --> 01:11:25,040 that happened while you were gone? 1249 01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:26,683 Did you have any awakenings? 1250 01:11:30,890 --> 01:11:31,723 - Yes and no. 1251 01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:37,460 - Tuesday I go to Denver, and here he was 1252 01:11:37,460 --> 01:11:41,000 just sitting up by the gas station. 1253 01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,955 He was hitchhiking. 1254 01:11:42,955 --> 01:11:44,740 I kind of looked over the gas station 1255 01:11:44,740 --> 01:11:46,400 to see who was there. 1256 01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,520 There was some guys that probably, you know, 1257 01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,460 he probably wouldn't be safe around, you know? 1258 01:11:51,460 --> 01:11:54,300 So I made a U, and I came back, picked him up. 1259 01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:55,690 And I just felt that if I don't 1260 01:11:55,690 --> 01:11:57,800 get him out of town, he might get beat up 1261 01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:58,823 or something, so. 1262 01:12:00,140 --> 01:12:02,763 Dropped him off and that was it. 1263 01:12:05,740 --> 01:12:08,123 - You were hallucinating late last night. 1264 01:12:10,655 --> 01:12:13,610 - Yes, sir, yes, sir, yeah. 1265 01:12:13,610 --> 01:12:17,260 So, I mean, that's not a normal state to be in, 1266 01:12:17,260 --> 01:12:18,490 which is why they wanted to keep you here 1267 01:12:18,490 --> 01:12:20,180 for observation and make sure that's something 1268 01:12:20,180 --> 01:12:24,295 that's gone for good and not gonna return. 1269 01:12:24,295 --> 01:12:25,378 - Okay, well. 1270 01:12:59,367 --> 01:13:02,850 - I think he could tell what was coming, 1271 01:13:02,850 --> 01:13:05,303 and kind of starting to get on survival mode. 1272 01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:08,430 He was telling everybody he's going to Colorado, 1273 01:13:08,430 --> 01:13:10,500 because we weren't recognizing him 1274 01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:12,673 as famous anymore in Austin. 1275 01:13:14,010 --> 01:13:15,237 - Now that he's coming to the realization 1276 01:13:15,237 --> 01:13:17,703 that he's got serious health problems, 1277 01:13:18,710 --> 01:13:22,087 I'm not so sure he enjoys being in the public eye 1278 01:13:22,087 --> 01:13:24,528 all the time like he used to. 1279 01:13:24,528 --> 01:13:27,163 He's just out there for the whole world to see. 1280 01:13:59,670 --> 01:14:02,560 - It was on Valentine's Day 1281 01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,513 and I was here at the salon. 1282 01:14:05,968 --> 01:14:07,490 (trills) 1283 01:14:07,490 --> 01:14:09,570 And there was Leslie. 1284 01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,020 - And he said he was leaving. 1285 01:14:28,020 --> 01:14:29,620 You're really leaving right now? 1286 01:14:31,478 --> 01:14:33,100 - Yeah. 1287 01:14:37,070 --> 01:14:38,530 - [Ruby] Wait, you're leaving right now? 1288 01:14:38,530 --> 01:14:39,363 - Yeah. 1289 01:14:39,363 --> 01:14:41,580 - Even now, I'm surprised at how hard it was 1290 01:14:41,580 --> 01:14:42,653 to say goodbye. 1291 01:15:39,545 --> 01:15:42,878 (train whistle blowing) 1292 01:15:46,990 --> 01:15:48,930 - Well known Austinite Leslie Cochran 1293 01:15:48,930 --> 01:15:51,860 is now in the hospital in critical condition, 1294 01:15:51,860 --> 01:15:53,700 A spokesperson at St. David South Austin 1295 01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:55,270 Medical Center confirmed he is being 1296 01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:56,340 treated there now. 1297 01:15:56,340 --> 01:15:57,580 - [Reporter] He's been talking lately of moving 1298 01:15:57,580 --> 01:15:59,390 to Colorado, but he was found unconscious 1299 01:15:59,390 --> 01:16:01,212 in a South Austin parking lot. 1300 01:16:01,212 --> 01:16:02,045 - [Reporter] Two weeks ago, and has been 1301 01:16:02,045 --> 01:16:03,990 at St. David South Austin Medical Center 1302 01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:04,823 where he... 1303 01:16:09,470 --> 01:16:11,540 - [Ruby] What do you think is gonna happen now? 1304 01:16:11,540 --> 01:16:12,450 - [Man] The truth? 1305 01:16:12,450 --> 01:16:14,030 - [Ruby] Yeah. 1306 01:16:14,030 --> 01:16:17,923 - Well, I think that if Leslie has a strong will, 1307 01:16:19,660 --> 01:16:22,113 he may hang on for a few weeks. 1308 01:16:24,005 --> 01:16:26,440 But I think that's probably about as long 1309 01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:27,383 as he can hold on. 1310 01:16:43,340 --> 01:16:45,120 - Hi everyone, KXAN News has confirmed 1311 01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,708 Leslie Cochran has died. 1312 01:16:46,708 --> 01:16:48,530 You may simply know him as Leslie, 1313 01:16:48,530 --> 01:16:50,180 the cross dressing homeless man. 1314 01:16:50,180 --> 01:16:52,570 He died early this morning at 1:00. 1315 01:16:52,570 --> 01:16:55,930 The mayor will proclaim today as Leslie Day. 1316 01:16:55,930 --> 01:16:57,233 He was 60 years old. 1317 01:16:58,380 --> 01:17:00,310 - Now therefore, I, Lee Leffingwell, 1318 01:17:00,310 --> 01:17:02,260 mayor of the city of Austin, Texas, 1319 01:17:02,260 --> 01:17:05,030 do hereby proclaim March 8th, 2012, 1320 01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:06,923 as Leslie Cochran Day in Austin. 1321 01:17:15,908 --> 01:17:17,930 - I thank you for your graciousness 1322 01:17:17,930 --> 01:17:20,233 to my brother, and for loving him as you have. 1323 01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:22,593 Thank you. 1324 01:17:27,370 --> 01:17:31,050 I had no idea to the magnitude 1325 01:17:31,050 --> 01:17:32,883 of how much he was loved here. 1326 01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:35,330 Had no idea. 1327 01:17:35,330 --> 01:17:36,683 The city came out. 1328 01:17:37,660 --> 01:17:39,130 There was a parade, and there was 1329 01:17:39,130 --> 01:17:41,853 a memorial service the day after. 1330 01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,150 I keep saying it is that of a dignitary, 1331 01:17:45,150 --> 01:17:46,920 not a homeless person. 1332 01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:48,963 They're forgotten, he wasn't. 1333 01:17:50,250 --> 01:17:54,603 And it really made a difference in my heart. 1334 01:17:57,872 --> 01:18:02,490 And I asked forgiveness for ever being ashamed of him. 1335 01:18:02,490 --> 01:18:05,653 - Leslie was a perfect Leslie. 1336 01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:11,170 He made a statement, he affected the city 1337 01:18:11,170 --> 01:18:13,840 in a beautiful and special way that 1338 01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,180 no one else has, and I doubt anyone else ever will. 1339 01:18:19,237 --> 01:18:20,993 (cheering) 1340 01:18:20,993 --> 01:18:22,543 - Leslie was a real gift to me. 1341 01:18:23,570 --> 01:18:25,670 You were confronted with what does it mean 1342 01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,353 to feel compassion. 1343 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,540 The person who's drunk and obnoxious 1344 01:18:32,540 --> 01:18:34,260 and a little out of control 1345 01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:35,430 who's sitting in front of you. 1346 01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:38,340 And he gives you the chance to learn 1347 01:18:38,340 --> 01:18:39,810 through the deeper meaning of how 1348 01:18:39,810 --> 01:18:41,713 to join his suffering. 1349 01:18:43,130 --> 01:18:45,693 That's a gift, it's a real gift. 1350 01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:50,860 - Do we need a Leslie? 1351 01:18:52,450 --> 01:18:55,240 I think we need original, creative people. 1352 01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:59,240 People with heart, people who care about other people. 1353 01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:00,550 And he was all of that. 1354 01:19:02,230 --> 01:19:04,330 - Leslie was not planned. 1355 01:19:04,330 --> 01:19:06,660 Leslie did not sit down at the drawing board 1356 01:19:06,660 --> 01:19:11,020 one day and draft out what this was 1357 01:19:11,020 --> 01:19:12,240 gonna look like. 1358 01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:14,883 That is true authenticity. 1359 01:19:14,883 --> 01:19:16,370 Yes, I miss him terribly. 1360 01:19:16,370 --> 01:19:18,730 And it's getting to that point 1361 01:19:18,730 --> 01:19:19,853 in the conversation. 1362 01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:24,713 - He was such a good friend. 1363 01:19:27,250 --> 01:19:28,753 I miss him immensely. 1364 01:19:34,590 --> 01:19:36,340 - Out of the night that covers me, 1365 01:19:36,340 --> 01:19:38,947 black as the pit from pole to pole, 1366 01:19:38,947 --> 01:19:41,690 I thank whatever gods may be 1367 01:19:41,690 --> 01:19:44,330 for my unconquerable soul. 1368 01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:46,630 In the fell clutch of circumstance, 1369 01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:49,720 I have not winced nor cried aloud. 1370 01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:51,870 Under the bludgeoning of chance, 1371 01:19:51,870 --> 01:19:55,320 my head is bloody, but unbowed. 1372 01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,500 Beyond this place of wrath and tears 1373 01:19:58,500 --> 01:20:01,480 looms the horror of the shade. 1374 01:20:01,480 --> 01:20:03,790 And yet the menace of the years 1375 01:20:03,790 --> 01:20:07,570 finds, and shall find, me unafraid. 1376 01:20:07,570 --> 01:20:10,490 It matters not how straight the gate, 1377 01:20:10,490 --> 01:20:12,610 or how charged with punishments the scroll, 1378 01:20:12,610 --> 01:20:15,723 I am the master of my fate. 1379 01:20:15,723 --> 01:20:17,570 I am the captain of my soul. 1380 01:20:32,098 --> 01:20:35,432 (acoustic guitar music) 1381 01:20:41,380 --> 01:20:45,325 ♪ Come back as my tree ♪ 1382 01:20:45,325 --> 01:20:49,360 ♪ I'll plant you close to me ♪ 1383 01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:54,360 ♪ We'll overlook the sea ♪ 1384 01:20:55,643 --> 01:20:58,123 ♪ If you please ♪ 1385 01:20:58,123 --> 01:21:01,868 ♪ If you please ♪ 1386 01:21:01,868 --> 01:21:05,285 ♪ Please come back to me ♪ 1387 01:21:12,178 --> 01:21:16,388 ♪ Come back as my pet ♪ 1388 01:21:16,388 --> 01:21:20,208 ♪ I'll make sure you are fed ♪ 1389 01:21:20,208 --> 01:21:25,208 ♪ You can sleep in my bed ♪ 1390 01:21:26,288 --> 01:21:28,630 ♪ If you please ♪ 1391 01:21:28,630 --> 01:21:32,150 ♪ If you please ♪ 1392 01:21:32,150 --> 01:21:35,568 ♪ Please come back to me ♪ 1393 01:21:42,380 --> 01:21:47,380 ♪ Tell your angels that you loved me ♪ 1394 01:21:50,848 --> 01:21:55,848 ♪ How you'd like to live alongside of me ♪ 1395 01:22:00,495 --> 01:22:04,780 ♪ Just come back as my friend ♪ 1396 01:22:04,780 --> 01:22:08,835 ♪ I'm broke but I can mend ♪ 1397 01:22:08,835 --> 01:22:13,835 ♪ It doesn't have to end ♪ 1398 01:22:14,993 --> 01:22:17,148 ♪ If you please ♪ 1399 01:22:17,148 --> 01:22:21,107 ♪ If you please ♪ 1400 01:22:21,107 --> 01:22:24,523 ♪ Please come back to me ♪ 1401 01:22:51,922 --> 01:22:56,922 ♪ Tell your angels that you loved me ♪ 1402 01:22:59,633 --> 01:23:04,633 ♪ How you'd like to live alongside of me ♪ 1403 01:23:08,865 --> 01:23:12,695 ♪ Come back as a fish ♪ 1404 01:23:12,695 --> 01:23:16,590 ♪ Or anything you wish ♪ 1405 01:23:16,590 --> 01:23:21,590 ♪ I won't put you in a dish ♪ 1406 01:23:25,268 --> 01:23:27,188 ♪ If you please ♪ 1407 01:23:27,188 --> 01:23:31,083 ♪ If you please ♪ 1408 01:23:31,083 --> 01:23:34,500 ♪ Please come back to me ♪ 1409 01:23:46,162 --> 01:23:48,745 (somber music) 99955

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