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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:14,520 This programme contains some strong language and scenes which some viewers may find upsetting 2 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,160 I don't know if you guys are allowed to give me any news about... 3 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,119 ...ourselves and our situation. 4 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,119 We don't have... anything, anything, anything, 5 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,919 but we're just basically dying every day, 6 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,599 people just dying in prison. 7 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:45,560 We're just sitting there, waiting for... waiting for death. 8 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,039 Hamza Parvez from West London is currently being held in prison 9 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,159 in Syria on suspicion of being an enemy combatant. 10 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,599 He has had his UK citizenship revoked. 11 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,559 My whole life was around Holland Park, 12 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,039 High Street Kensington, Shepherd's Bush. 13 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:07,879 I used to work part-time in a hotel, 14 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,719 go to Westfield, have a good time. 15 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:11,960 Life was good. 16 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,999 In 2012, a number of Hamza's London friends, 17 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,239 radicalised by extremist preachers in Britain, 18 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,120 travel to take part in a so-called religious war in Syria and Iraq. 19 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,480 A lot of people make quick decisions. 20 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,799 If it's not going to be me that sacrifices, 21 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,640 not going be me that helps, who's going to do it? 22 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,639 There were friends that I knew that had gone to Syria before. 23 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,919 Most people are going, they're not looking back. 24 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,039 They're actually looking for death, they're looking to die. 25 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,999 They're looking for martyrdom. 26 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,199 - - Yes, my feeling is great, 27 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,079 and, Alhamdulillah, I'm happy that I'm here. 28 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,239 And I'm here to please Allah, Subhanallah, 29 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,800 and I'm not here to please anyone else but Allah, Subhanallah. 30 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,439 These foreign fighters are the new phenomena 31 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,719 that British photographer John Cantlie was investigating 32 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,999 when he and his friend James Foley 33 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,159 were taken by masked men at gunpoint. 34 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,319 - - A relatively large number of these jihadists 35 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,639 were either English-speaking or English. 36 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:20,079 Disenchanted young men from the UK 37 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,040 now unified under this jihadist banner. 38 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,320 {\an8}- - This is the golden era of jihad. 39 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,200 {\an8}- - Islamic State is now at war with the West. 40 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,519 {\an8}- - One thing we can all agree on 41 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,120 {\an8}is that a group like Isil has no place in the 21st century. 42 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,600 John went into the hornet's nest. 43 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,360 He wanted a proper story. 44 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,200 He went looking for British jihadis in dangerous environments. 45 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,960 Was he on the verge of an amazing story? 46 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,119 Journalists have become targets. 47 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,639 Scores of journalists are believed to have been kidnapped. 48 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:16,800 John Cantlie, being held by extremists from Islamic State. 49 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,040 We just were desperate for information. 50 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,759 It was a mission to find missing persons. 51 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,320 Another barbaric beheading, another unwatchable video. 52 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,519 It became apparent that he hadn't been beheaded. 53 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,079 Hello, my name is John Cantlie, 54 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,079 and the media hasn't had a story as big as this 55 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,880 for a very long time indeed. 56 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,920 Why not kill him like the rest? 57 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:53,919 People began to take the view that he was a turned Islamic State asset. 58 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,720 What really did happen to John Cantlie? 59 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,760 Well, Thanksgiving Day is always a special gathering with our family. 60 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,159 LAUGHTER 61 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,639 Jim has four younger siblings, married with children. 62 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,120 And my husband has a large family. 63 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,479 And actually Jim was in frequent touch. 64 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,799 He emailed or called weekly, 65 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,719 and particularly on special days - anybody's birthday, any holiday. 66 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:53,280 And that's what made us pause, Thanksgiving Day of 2012. 67 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,239 I remember coming home from our family gathering 68 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:05,319 and thinking, "How odd, we just didn't hear from Jim," you know, 69 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,399 but trying not to think much of it. 70 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,799 So it was really the next morning, 71 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,079 my husband and I were having our morning coffee, 72 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,320 and then we got a call. 73 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,800 Their driver had said that Jim and John had been kidnapped. 74 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,680 No-one had any idea who had kidnapped him. 75 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,199 We were devastated, 76 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:36,159 but the advice from the FBI was to keep totally quiet about it. 77 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:42,160 We were told not to tell anybody about John and Jim's kidnapping. 78 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:51,079 "Jump on a plane and join us in Antakya. 79 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,679 "In the next few days, it'd be good to have you along to keep me sane. 80 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,039 "Best, JC." 81 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,679 And that was the last email I got before then his beacon went off. 82 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,879 I think it would have been in the early hours of the morning... 83 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,000 No, early 22nd of November, I think... 84 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,599 There was no worse place to be than where he went. 85 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,799 He went into the hornet's nest. 86 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,799 He was entering a world, he had no idea - 87 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,160 because he was naive and a maverick. 88 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,839 Yeah, he didn't know what was coming, and by God, it was coming. 89 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:29,759 Yeah. 90 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,959 Everybody was panicked. 91 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:37,039 There was lots of communication between the family, me, his friends, 92 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:42,120 his close friends, trying to figure out what the next plan was. 93 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,200 We contacted the Foreign Office and normal diplomatic channels. 94 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,599 I was on the full-time hostage and crisis negotiation unit 95 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,159 at New Scotland Yard and my boss said, 96 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,719 "John Cantlie's been kidnapped again." 97 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,399 At first, it was like, "What? Why would he go back?" 98 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,240 You know, why would anybody go back? 99 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,319 Gosh, that's unheard of. 100 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,239 I can't think of anybody in the history that I've been working 101 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,720 in negotiation where somebody has been kidnapped twice. 102 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:21,319 My boss asked me to go and spend some time with John's family, 103 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,040 next of kin, just to support them. 104 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,439 I got the impression that they just thought, 105 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,039 "Oh, this is typical of John," 106 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,919 and I remembered them thinking it will be over quite quickly 107 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,960 John would probably escape pretty soon. 108 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:44,879 We really did not have any idea if Jim and John were dead or alive, 109 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,280 so I was frantic to find out more. 110 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,919 Jim was a freelancer. 111 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,959 One of the outlets had some kidnap insurance 112 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:01,559 and, with that, was able to enlist a security professional 113 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,760 to help look for Jim. 114 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,599 Is it a dangerous job? 115 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,679 Well, I mean, it depends on the circumstances. 116 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:18,199 You could say that my threshold of safety was different. 117 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,119 So as a private actor, you are much less constrained 118 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,560 in what you can do. 119 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,479 Kidnap investigator Jens arrives in Turkey. 120 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,720 John and James have now been missing for 48 hours. 121 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,240 Ahead of him is a live and deadly conflict. 122 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,239 I picked up my bag at the luggage carousel. 123 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,199 There were lots of Europeans. 124 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:47,599 They were all like, "Hey, are you going? 125 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,159 "Are you coming in with us? Are you going to join the fight?" 126 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,599 And I was like, "No, I'm here on another issue," 127 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,160 but I was very well aware that, you know, I should keep a low profile. 128 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:03,800 Antakya is a very, very small city right on the border... 129 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,439 ...and it was completely congested with foreign fighters. 130 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,879 I always use the reference to Star Wars, Tatooine. 131 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,039 They were not openly carrying weapons, 132 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,959 but they were carrying their fatigues and desert boots, 133 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,959 and they all looked very paramilitary, 134 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,440 waiting eagerly to go in and join the fight. 135 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,080 I knew exactly where they were taken. 136 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,119 We knew that they were apprehended together, 137 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,839 and we had to assume that they were kept together. 138 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:46,759 So I went to interview Mustafa Karali, the fixer. 139 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,999 Mustafa was actually the only one who really knew what transpired 140 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,599 when they were apprehended. 141 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,879 He was the key witness. 142 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,519 I was blaming myself. 143 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:05,279 I thought like, "Maybe in the same day or the day after, 144 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,919 "they will release, they will be with me." 145 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,519 So I go back to my uncle. 146 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,319 I was angry and shouting and also crying 147 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,519 and, "Please, I need, like, my friends." 148 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:25,239 I told him when we got kidnapped, there were, like, six, seven people. 149 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,919 They have a different accent and they're, like, hiding their IDs. 150 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,959 When I describe them to him, he says they are Jabhat al-Nusra, 151 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,480 the jihadist group. 152 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,479 Jabhat al-Nusra is one of the most aggressive rebel groups 153 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,999 on the ground, fighting against President Assad's regime. 154 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,399 Al-Nusra is part of Al-Qaeda, 155 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,559 and it's run by a man called Abu Mohammed al-Jolani, 156 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:52,400 who has recently been released from a US prison in Iraq. 157 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,639 Years later, he would become the leader of the new Syria 158 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,840 and welcomed by heads of states. 159 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,640 Jolani was a senior-level Al-Qaeda operative. 160 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,559 It's difficult to see how the kidnap of two foreigners, 161 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:16,799 an American and a Brit, 162 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:22,360 wouldn't have at some stage involved the direct knowledge of Jolani. 163 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:25,439 Jolani was the one in charge. 164 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,920 He was the most powerful guy in that entire region. 165 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,440 So I started looking everywhere for Jolani. 166 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,759 Jens tracks down al-Jolani through his contacts 167 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,680 and is hoping to negotiate a quick release of John and James. 168 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,799 We had Jolani interviewed several times about this issue. 169 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,559 He knew about it, he had the power to search, 170 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:58,080 go bang on all doors. 171 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,919 And I remember we had several meetings 172 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,599 with some high-ranking people. 173 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,799 And at the end, they just came around and said, 174 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,279 "Listen, if you ask us this question one more time, 175 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,519 "we're going to do something bad to you." 176 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,880 I mean, basically, they became annoyed by us. 177 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,520 They have only one answer to say - "They are Kuffar." 178 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,959 "They are not with us and we don't know anything about them, 179 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,119 "but even if we know, we are not going to give you." 180 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:28,639 And they said, "If we had them, 181 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,080 "we would say it and we would come with a demand." 182 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,679 Things were changing on the ground and I did not feel safe. 183 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:46,639 - - As the Syrian struggle intensifies, 184 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,799 the battle to remove the Assad regime 185 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,400 is pulling in volunteer fighters from across the Arab world. 186 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,600 A new group is emerging... 187 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:04,039 ...and there are rumours they are interested in high value prisoners. 188 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,879 Coming from Iraq and calling itself the Islamic State, 189 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,639 this group is highly organised, violent 190 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,720 and intent on taking hostages. 191 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,879 {\an8}Its leader is a man called Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, 192 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,200 {\an8}who has also been released from a US prison in Iraq. 193 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,639 Al-Baghdadi plans to take over Syria and Iraq 194 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,840 and - one day - the whole world. 195 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:35,079 The schism happens between those who wanted to declare their allegiance 196 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,479 to Baghdadi, Islamic State chief, 197 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,599 and those who want to stay with Jolani, who was Syrian 198 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,919 and he wasn't quite as extreme 199 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,439 as Baghdadi or his Islamic State group, 200 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,080 nor did he want to be deferential. So you get the two falling apart. 201 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:54,480 Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State then fight each other. 202 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,919 Someone from Jabhat al-Nusra told me that James and John, 203 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,279 they were the big deal. 204 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,799 Isis and Jabhat Al-Nusra, they are ready to leave all the heavy weapons 205 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,440 just to take the two journalists, the foreign journalists. 206 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,319 I must have interviewed close to a thousand people 207 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,760 about the James and John case. 208 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,599 Endless interrogations, 209 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,639 questionings, 210 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,079 smoking a gazillion cigarettes, 211 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,279 drinking 6,000 cups of coffee. 212 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,279 I would pick up somebody, drive in the car 213 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,479 and basically have the chat on the move. 214 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,199 I was sucked into this surreal world 215 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,160 where my borders for safety would slip. 216 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,159 Every stone was turned - and there was nothing. 217 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,759 Whoever took John and James did not want them to be found 218 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,200 and took great effort to hide them. 219 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:05,319 There was this feeling of incredible worry. 220 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,959 We were quiet for the six weeks or month, 221 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,439 did our best to listen to the advice of the FBI. 222 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:18,200 But it was hard not to tell our closest friends. 223 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,880 It was horrifying, it felt very isolating. 224 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,279 I felt strongly that I needed to do my part. 225 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:30,480 I was desperate. 226 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,319 And so we felt the only way to get some light on it 227 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,199 was to ask for help. 228 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,519 We're gravely concerned 229 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,559 about Jimmy's health and welfare and safety. 230 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,399 We miss him terribly. 231 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,760 He's in our thoughts and our prayers every day. 232 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,679 We're committed to do everything within our ability 233 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,359 to secure his safe release. 234 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:54,759 And this is our only priority. 235 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,839 Part of the need to be public, 236 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,519 since Jim was a journalist and I knew he had journalist friends, 237 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,840 perhaps some of his colleagues might have an idea of what was happening. 238 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:14,320 Once it was public, angels have surrounded us. 239 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,879 As time went by, Syria became really, really dangerous 240 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,000 for us Western journalists. 241 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,439 But a Syrian revolution was a really big story, 242 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,439 so we were all drawn to Syria. 243 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,439 A war that had already been super violent and chaotic 244 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,239 was getting beyond difficult. 245 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,399 {\an8}The violence had become so widespread 246 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,719 {\an8}and the risks had so multiplied. 247 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,640 {\an8}Feral, feral times. 248 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,599 So John and James were the first ones that I heard about 249 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,799 who disappeared, and that's how it started. 250 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,479 And then you get to hear on that very internal journalist grapevine, 251 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,119 "Hey, so-and-so's gone missing. 252 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:07,000 "There's two other journalists gone missing." 253 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,040 A lot of people going missing. 254 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,399 Five months into the Foley-Cantlie case, 255 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,679 I get a phone call about a super young photographer 256 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,280 that had been kidnapped, also in northern Syria. 257 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,479 On the 17th of May 2013, 258 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,320 24-year-old Danish photographer Daniel Rye is kidnapped. 259 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,000 Jens is deployed to search for him. 260 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,199 He was very green, 261 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,519 but he had also really tried to do the best he could 262 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,679 to prepare himself for that trip. 263 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:09,719 But I was worried, because - knowing what I knew about Syria - 264 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,159 I just had a bad hunch about it. 265 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:17,439 So, Jens was looking for Jim, but he was also helping Daniel's family. 266 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,879 So, he was working both cases, 267 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,679 but they felt they knew where Daniel was. 268 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,879 In Daniel's case, I knew exactly what building he went into. 269 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,919 We quite quickly established direct communication. 270 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,599 And then they stopped replying. 271 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,639 They said, "This issue has now been passed on to others. 272 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,719 "He's been transitioned," not specified. 273 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,479 And we lost the track of anyone holding Daniel. 274 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,119 So this whole transitioning, what we know now 275 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:55,719 is that was basically the start of the Islamic State. 276 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,680 RAPID GUNFIRE 277 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,279 Islamic State has become the strongest jihadist group in Syria 278 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,159 {\an8}and is seizing hostages from other armed groups. 279 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:08,799 {\an8}What's beginning to emerge 280 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,639 {\an8}is a systematic taking of people as prisoners. 281 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,519 {\an8}The honour of the Ummah is jihad... 282 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,999 {\an8}All my brothers, come to jihad and feel the honour we are feeling, 283 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,160 {\an8}feel the happiness that we are feeling. 284 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,559 I took a very strong view 285 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,439 that the Prime Minister should always know 286 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,639 whenever a hostage was taken. 287 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,159 I would then, you know, ask for Cobra, 288 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,759 the emergency committee meeting, to take place 289 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,839 so that I could ask the heads of special forces, 290 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,439 the heads of the intelligence agencies, 291 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,279 "What do we know about this hostage? Where do we think they are? 292 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,839 "Is there a chance of a rescue?" 293 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,279 Now, as part of that, I felt it was incumbent on us 294 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,199 to make sure the families were kept up-to-date 295 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,639 with anything that was happening. 296 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,879 They had police liaison officers and other support officers. 297 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,079 And I was very happy to meet with the families - 298 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,279 if they wanted to meet. 299 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,599 You know, obviously, they want their loved one brought home, 300 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,559 I want to make sure their loved one is brought home, 301 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,119 but sometimes you can't say everything about what's being done. 302 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:15,519 John has now been missing for almost six months, 303 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,959 and only a handful of friends and relatives 304 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,760 know that he's been taken. 305 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,319 At the request of the government, 306 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,800 the press avoid reporting on John's kidnapping. 307 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,359 When things like this happen, kidnappings, 308 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:32,519 there is a great deal of secrecy around it 309 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,839 because there are so many dynamics, 310 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,479 and as soon as things start hitting the news, 311 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,279 the dynamics around it changes. 312 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,559 The key objective when someone is kidnapped, 313 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,640 I mean, obviously, it's the life at stake that matters the most. 314 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,359 You must do everything you can do 315 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:54,599 to prevent that case from scaling out of control. 316 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:59,839 So the secretiveness around it is often founded in the fact 317 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,600 that what matters the most is saving that life. 318 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:11,039 When he got kidnapped the second time, 319 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,239 it felt like, "This is getting ridiculous." 320 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,799 I remember just feeling... Partly feeling not surprised, you know? 321 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,639 I thought, "That's really not a surprise, 322 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,600 "that he's got himself into the soup." 323 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,359 He definitely seemed to be deeply affected by the story, 324 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:32,839 and he was bombarding me with photographs he'd taken in Syria. 325 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:39,679 A lot of the images, though, were of rebels - very gung ho, front line. 326 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,159 It was all men. 327 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,799 And I remember thinking, "That's really strange. 328 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,599 "You've gone to Syria and you've just taken photos of guys." 329 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,799 But what was clear was that he felt like he was making a difference 330 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,120 and he wanted to keep going back. 331 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,639 John Cantlie had been capturing the rapidly changing conflict 332 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,919 in Syria when he was taken. 333 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,599 But there was a new and deeply unsettling twist 334 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,919 coming out of the war. 335 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,719 Photographers don't often bring in amazing stories. 336 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,639 It just doesn't happen like that. 337 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,959 But was he on the verge of an amazing story? 338 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,839 Was he on the verge of the scoop of his life 339 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,720 that would have transformed his career? 340 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,679 - Hold like the way I told you to. - Hold it like a man! 341 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:21,759 There you go. 342 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,039 - You guys ready? - Ready. 343 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,319 - You sure you are recording me? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 344 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,159 Little Chinese man, little black man. 345 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,759 The Islamic State group is proving more popular with young Brits... 346 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,719 GUNSHOT ...than any other group in Syria... 347 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,839 - LAUGHTER - Look! - That's how we do it over here! 348 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,680 GUN COCKS, GUNFIRE 349 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,679 LAUGHTER - He's happy. - Yeah, boy! 350 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,679 ...and they're starting to film their lives on the front lines... 351 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,599 Say cheese for us to the camera... 352 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,479 ...part diary videos, part propaganda. 353 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,359 INDISTINCT CHATTER 354 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:57,359 Right now, it's just Friday afternoon 355 00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:59,839 and we're just chilling here on the battlefield. 356 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,679 In a little while, we'll be doing an attack. 357 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,439 There's been a lot of talk about this so-called five-star jihad. 358 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,839 Here, Alhamdulillah, this is where most of the media work happens, 359 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,039 on this little desk here. 360 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,759 Their videos are spreading across the internet, 361 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,919 attracting more recruits, 362 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,519 including 21-year-old Hamza Parvez from West London. 363 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,639 We got taken to desert. 364 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,199 I brought boots and stuff and jackets... 365 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,520 I already had some stuff - some Primark, H&M. 366 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,039 It's the first time I saw a Kalashnikov. 367 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,639 I didn't know a word of Arabic. I didn't know nothing. 368 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,639 They did, like, classes about military tactics. 369 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,639 I'm not saying that I went out and I was a fighter and I fought, 370 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,919 but you have to have a weapon to protect yourself. 371 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,399 When I first got my first weapon, it was a Kalashnikov, 372 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,640 I put the magazine in... 373 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,720 ...clock it back, take a shot. 374 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,999 -How did it feel? - It was very scary. 375 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,799 It's a weapon 376 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,840 that kills human beings. 377 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,479 {\an8}This is the golden era of jihad. 378 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,799 {\an8}What are we doing sitting in the UK, 379 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,159 {\an8}sitting in the al-Kuffar, the land which kills Muslims... 380 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,559 At the time that I recorded the video, 381 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,599 I was very like, you know, charged up. 382 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,759 Everything was happening. 383 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,039 I was in the desert. 384 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,520 So it was a call for the guys, whoever wants to come, to come. 385 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,719 Do you regret that video? 386 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,440 Yeah, yeah, it was stupid. It was stupid. 387 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,719 As we approach October, 388 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,400 this is close to a year since they were kidnapped. 389 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,760 That's when I get the breakthrough. 390 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:51,799 - - An 18-year-old from Belgium recently returned from Syria 391 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,959 and has been detained on suspicion of being 392 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,999 a member of a terrorist group - something he denies. 393 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,679 A Belgian guy had hooked up with Islamic State, 394 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,799 then he'd fallen foul of Islamic State, 395 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,719 who chucked him in prison. 396 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,679 Finally, he's released. He goes back to Brussels, 397 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,480 where he's promptly detained by Belgian authorities. 398 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,839 So I went to Belgium to meet this jihadi. 399 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,919 He was in a maximum security prison. 400 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,879 There was no allowed access to the jail. 401 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,079 Basically, I bullshit myself all the way into that prison 402 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,959 by saying I was his uncle. 403 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,760 Let me ask, it's going to be audio-only, right? 404 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,519 During his debrief, he said, 405 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,320 "Oh, yeah, funny thing - I was in this prison in Aleppo." 406 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,360 You never know, are you the one next being killed or not? 407 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,839 Even though I was innocent, they interrogated me. 408 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,119 I was in prison with two people. I didn't know who they were. 409 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:57,359 "There were two men in the cell with me..." 410 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:00,040 And their names were James and John. 411 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,319 One was John Cantlie and one was James Foley. 412 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,159 That is the first time that word comes out of John and James 413 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,200 since their abduction. 414 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,239 I had some proof of life questions 415 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,440 that were impossible to know unless you had spoken to him. 416 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,319 They started to become friends. 417 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,200 They told what their hobbies were, what drinks we had. 418 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,799 It all checked out. 419 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,639 So it was 100% sure that they were alive when he met them. 420 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,639 They got tortured really bad 421 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,159 and they still had the scars on their ankles. 422 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,559 And then you start to have conversations like, 423 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,240 "If I get out, I'm going to contact your family." 424 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:55,679 It was the fall of 2013, when we were desperate for information. 425 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,799 A parent of a young Belgian jihadist reached out to me 426 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:06,679 and said, "My son has seen Jim, he's alive," 427 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,679 and that Jim was not alone. He was, in fact, with other Westerners. 428 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,519 He was being held with Daniel Rye. 429 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,000 And that was the first hope we had. 430 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,880 I was incredibly grateful. 431 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,279 {\an8}When I was put into the same room with James and John, 432 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,479 it was quite crazy to see them, 433 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,080 because they were kidnapped half a year before me. 434 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,679 So they had been hostages for a long time 435 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,319 when I saw them the first time. 436 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,199 And they have been through things that you cannot imagine. 437 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:54,000 They were very skinny, but they didn't seem very scared. 438 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,319 They seemed like they had adapted quite well. 439 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,679 We just smiled and said hello. 440 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,920 They were like this old couple who have been married forever. 441 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,799 Daniel Rye is placed in a makeshift cell with John and James 442 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,599 several months after he was taken, 443 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,279 first meeting them here, 444 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,760 in the notorious basement of an Aleppo hospital. 445 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,759 Because of the hard treatment that I have had in the beginning, 446 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:31,359 where I was heavily tortured and beaten up, 447 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:32,960 I looked like a skeleton. 448 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:40,479 Some of the other guys didn't want to get too close to me, 449 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,919 but not John. 450 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:48,319 I really hated myself, and I didn't have any self-respect left. 451 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,759 And when I spoke to John, he got so angry at me, 452 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,399 and he started to tell me all the reasons I had 453 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,519 to not be angry at myself. 454 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,640 I was like, "Wow, I'm not weak. 455 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:07,199 "I'm probably actually strong, even though I don't see that right now." 456 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,159 That was the beginning of a new way of looking at myself. 457 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,000 That's something I really learned from John. 458 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,720 So he is and was a very, very strong character. 459 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,159 The weird thing was, I would drive in Aleppo past the teaching hospital 460 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,880 in which John and James were being held... 461 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,759 ...without realising they were there. 462 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,839 The rules were, when you drove past that hospital, 463 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,039 don't look over to look at it. 464 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,999 Just drive past, just don't do anything. 465 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,679 At that stage, the fighting between the Islamic State 466 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,439 and all these other groups all piling into Islamic State, 467 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,999 it was a huge fight - 468 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,999 as well as the fight that's going on against Assad in that city. 469 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,399 So Islamic State decided to remove their high value prisoners, 470 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,039 which include the Western hostages, from that hospital 471 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,160 and driven to Raqqa. 472 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,760 We were chained to each other, two and two, we were put into a truck. 473 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,400 Suddenly, I woke up during the night like, "Whoa, where are we?" 474 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,039 So some of the other guys was like, 475 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:21,319 "I think we're sitting on top of eight tonnes of IEDs" - 476 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,959 improvised explosive device. 477 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:29,360 It was like, "OK, if something goes wrong, we will fucking blow up." 478 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,520 Relocated to a new hidden site... 479 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,999 ...the Islamic State group are consolidating 480 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,760 their most valuable hostages. 481 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:52,560 Among them is veteran Spanish correspondent Javier Espinosa. 482 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,799 Assembling all the foreigners in the same place, 483 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,159 that kind of situation, you feel comforted in a way 484 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,479 because, well, we are a lot. 485 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,359 You know, it's not going to be just me along with all these crazy guys. 486 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,639 You were given a number. Can you tell me about that? 487 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,639 I'm number 43, and everybody has a number - 43, 45, 47. 488 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,159 You cannot answer, "I'm Javier." 489 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,559 It's diminishing your human entity, you know? 490 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,920 You are not any more a human, you're a number in a system. 491 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,160 And then suddenly, I heard them the first time. 492 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,839 They knocked on the door, like a big iron door... 493 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,600 KNOCKING ON DOOR 494 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,039 ...and I remember it because when they opened the door, 495 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:56,800 all the heat we created as a group just kind of went out. 496 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,520 They call them "the Brits". 497 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,280 And they yelled, "Hands to the wall." 498 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,800 And they came in, and the first they did was to beat up the Americans. 499 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,439 Everybody that they enter in the room, you have to move 500 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,519 and you have to face the wall. 501 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,799 But you could hear the noise of the beating, one after another. 502 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,559 Bam, bam, bam, bam! 503 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,159 It was with the - I mean, kicks, actually, you know... 504 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,799 You heard it. It's a close room, so you heard a lot. 505 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,799 I think that was the same day, almost, that John Cantlie said, 506 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,239 "We need to be able to refer to them as something. 507 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,200 "Hey, let's call them The Beatles - John, Ringo and George." 508 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,159 The so-called Beatles, 509 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,359 a semi-criminalised group of three young guys, 510 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,399 they had become subsumed 511 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,720 {\an8}with this new Islamic movement they found there. 512 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,759 They'd assumed these new identities too - 513 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,840 big deal, part of Islamic State. 514 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,399 Obviously, that kind of stuff is very, very secretive. 515 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,039 No-one knows about it. 516 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,279 No-one knows where the hostages were taken from, 517 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,919 no-one knows where they're kept. No-one knows what the situation is. 518 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,359 All that stuff, it's with the security services 519 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,520 of the Islamic State. 520 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,079 These guys doesn't feel they have any purpose in England. 521 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,039 And suddenly, they have a purpose in life, 522 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,079 which is to create huge Islamic State. 523 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,679 And especially, they are given power - 524 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,959 to be somebody who can decide, "Now you die, now you live." 525 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,639 That's enormous power for them. 526 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,559 I mean, many times, they put their knives on your throat 527 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,360 and say, "You're going to be killed and blah-blah-blah." 528 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,760 John was very brave. He wasn't afraid of anything. 529 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,679 He was like this cat just standing and looking at this dog, 530 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,479 being like, "What the fuck do you think you are?", 531 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,119 and the dog just stops barking and walks away, you know? 532 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,799 I think that was what John kind of did to them, 533 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,440 and they was like, "OK." 534 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,840 So I think they respected him - somehow. 535 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,440 They saw his humour. 536 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:30,399 Isis, they used to use him to imitate popular guys from the BBC. 537 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,199 They were laughing - "A-ha-ha! 538 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,400 "You should have done this as a job." 539 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,399 Welcome to Phoenix, Arizona. 540 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,839 Johnny Cantlie, this man was born on a bike! 541 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,279 {\an8}Why do we still need a piece of old dead cow? 542 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,879 {\an8}It is the ultimate in motorcycling... 543 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,799 John had a ruthless energy. 544 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,999 He would act out - with great enthusiasm - 545 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,119 his endeavours and his missions. 546 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,239 - TYRES SCREECH - He started out with motorbikes... 547 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:02,719 LAUGHTER 548 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,479 ...screeching around, acting like a lunatic. 549 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,519 Mikey, how do you respond to people that say 550 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,079 that what you were just doing is just bloody irresponsible 551 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,959 and - quite honestly - putting other people's lives in danger? 552 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,079 And then he suddenly turned up on the scene 553 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,239 as this freelance photojournalist, 554 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:20,600 going around, looking down the barrels of tanks. 555 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,159 I think people thought he was full of shit, but he wasn't. 556 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,640 And I think this hindered his credibility as a good journalist. 557 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,639 Because he'd never really been trained by, say, the military, 558 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,159 his energetic, maverick mentality 559 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,279 meant that, very often, he would overextend - 560 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,800 which is why he always got himself in trouble. 561 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,960 SINGING IN ARABIC 562 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,959 Islamic State started setting up their own Sharia courts, 563 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,640 formalising local power. 564 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,879 They spoke of themselves as a new nation, 565 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,120 and now they just need money. 566 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,719 - - Isis is taking over ever more 567 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:20,600 of rebel-held northern Syria. 568 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,479 - - They've now got, it's thought, at least 20 hostages. 569 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,480 It's a pretty big business. 570 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,879 When did you realise that these people want money, 571 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,359 they want political leverage? 572 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,400 Since the very beginning, for all of us. 573 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,239 {\an8}They came in and took a few pictures, 574 00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:43,879 {\an8}and I had to pose with a letter 575 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,120 {\an8}where there was written "Two million euros." 576 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,040 That's a lot of money. 577 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,199 {\an8}Like, two million euros, 578 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,999 that's completely insane. 579 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,279 And my family don't have that kind of money, 580 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:03,519 so my head couldn't understand, "How can I get back from this?" 581 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,479 In my case, it was to the important people of Spain 582 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,239 and the leadership of the country - 583 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:11,639 "Please do what these people want to do, 584 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,439 "because if not, they will kill me." 585 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,399 Javier and Ricardo are not your enemy. 586 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,839 Islamic State group make their first direct contact 587 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,280 with Javier's wife Monica, reaching her by email. 588 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,519 And next, the ransom demands come through 589 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,320 for John and James's families. 590 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:52,039 They had an encrypted email that our FBI couldn't penetrate. 591 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,679 {\an8}Know that we are many, and we are many in numbers... 592 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,999 We had a feeling they might be British 593 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,799 because of some of the wording in the emails. 594 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,160 {\an8}And know that you cannot harm us in the least... 595 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,039 The early one was really rather cordial. 596 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,679 I think there was a tiny window there. 597 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,959 But that tone changed over time. 598 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,079 {\an8}And know that the ground that we sit on 599 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,800 {\an8}is the ground that we will bury you in! 600 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,879 And the terrorists wanted to directly negotiate 601 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,839 with our government. 602 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:33,840 They wanted more than 100 million euro for the release of Jim. 603 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,519 The ransom prices for John and James - 604 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,880 as British and American citizens - are astronomical. 605 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,919 They were asking millions and millions of dollars. 606 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,599 We had a very clear policy, 607 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,799 which is to say that we would do everything we could 608 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,959 to try and get hostages home, 609 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,999 but we would not pay ransoms to terrorist kidnappers 610 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,119 for the very clear reason that if we did, 611 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,919 they would kidnap more British citizens. 612 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,839 It was, I accept, a tough policy. 613 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,919 I took it to the G8, and I looked all of the other countries 614 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,399 in the eye - the French, the Italians, all of them - 615 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,199 and said, "Let's all sign up." 616 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,399 So, nominally, other countries in the world 617 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,080 had signed up to this policy. 618 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,079 Our government did not negotiate with terrorists - 619 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,760 and they made that clear. 620 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,519 But the government, meanwhile, was telling me 621 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,439 that Jim was their highest priority over and over and over. 622 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,719 So, as a mom, I wanted to hear that - 623 00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:38,639 that, yes, my government may say publicly 624 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,679 they won't negotiate with terrorists, 625 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,479 but that privately, my government's telling me 626 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,680 that Jim's their highest priority. 627 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,439 I understand from a political perspective 628 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,760 why states shouldn't pay. 629 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:03,039 But I also understand that any family should be allowed the right 630 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,839 to do what they deem necessary. 631 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,559 Had it been my kid, I would have said, 632 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,960 "Well, eff you, I will do it myself, then." 633 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,959 We met with the highest level at the White House that I had to date. 634 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,439 They were very kind, they listened. 635 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,719 We went to FBI. 636 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:33,639 And what was horrific was, that is when we were told for the first time 637 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,359 that, as American citizens, 638 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,960 we would be prosecuted if we dared to raise ransom. 639 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,479 We certainly would have risked prosecution, 640 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:51,679 but I know I wanted to believe that our government would privately 641 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,240 find a way to do something to bring our son home. 642 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,559 The British and Americans, they were much more depressed, 643 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,239 and there were more anxiety among them because they knew 644 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:13,560 that their governments were not going to speak with these people. 645 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,560 John also told me, "It's not fair that we are being forgotten here." 646 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,879 We knew that people will be killed soon. 647 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,599 They started to torture us again, 648 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,400 like, quite heavy, three, four times a day. 649 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,080 They stripped us for food and blankets. 650 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,560 James was one of the main targets of the Beatles. 651 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,799 They saw a picture of him dressed in uniform, 652 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,839 so they were convinced that he was an army guy. 653 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,839 He was being beaten really badly by them. 654 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,879 But he handled that. 655 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,840 He was really, really strong, very, very strong. 656 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,040 The victimhood, it was not his style. 657 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:11,439 If somebody was beaten, James was the one who was consoling him 658 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,239 and telling him, "Yeah, that's going to pass." 659 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:17,919 He was the ones who shared food with the rest of the people. 660 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,359 If there are two tomatoes, James took the smallest one 661 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,359 and gave you the bigger one. 662 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,680 I don't remember one selfish moment from him. 663 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,439 The evenings, they were very difficult. 664 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,119 We would sit in completely darkness all by ourselves 665 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,359 and our own thoughts. 666 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:42,800 And that was tough... 667 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,320 ...and very lonely. 668 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,519 I remember what moved me the most was John Cantlie. 669 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:57,759 The way he could tell stories, like, fucking amazing. 670 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,359 It's like you have hidden that story until the right moment. 671 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:06,239 Sometimes I remember when we were all most scared and tired 672 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,479 and hungry and beaten up, he made his lecture 673 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,640 about riding more than a million miles on a motorbike. 674 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,439 And we were sitting on our small motorbikes, 675 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,079 using our water bottles as the handle bar. 676 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,160 And... 677 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,399 ...I remember him talking about 678 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,359 the path only two metres wide in the Himalayas. 679 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,279 And he's just describing, of course, the mountains, 680 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:43,399 but this river right next to us, like 100 metres down. 681 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,159 All of us were sitting on a motorbike in a line, 682 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,079 trying to stay on the path. 683 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,039 So that was thrilling, exciting and beautiful. 684 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,479 That moved me a lot. 685 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,440 That was his own life he spoke about, his old life. 686 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,280 I think that John knew that he had burned all his matches. 687 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:16,439 There was a part of him that really, really, really regretted 688 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,040 that he went back to Syria. 689 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,360 There was part of him that hated himself. 690 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,720 He was really tough on himself. 691 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:36,359 If they got their freedom again, John and James wanted to change. 692 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,039 You know, "Don't go back and try to be a hero. 693 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,199 "Just go back and be humble 694 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,679 "and be happy that you have your freedom. 695 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,360 "Don't take that for granted." 696 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,679 Jens has returned to Syria, 697 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,839 13 months after Daniel was kidnapped, 698 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,879 and he's about to have an encounter 699 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,640 with the men holding Daniel, James and John. 700 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,560 Everybody is super nervous. 701 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:15,279 You get total paranoia when you're in that phase of the operation, 702 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,279 because even the smallest thing can go wrong. 703 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,639 What would prevent them from just taking the money, taking me, 704 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,799 knowing that there's a lonely guy sitting in the middle of nowhere 705 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,240 with two million euros? 706 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,960 I mean, that would be the easiest heist ever, right? 707 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:40,159 A little past eight o'clock, all of a sudden, a motorcycle comes. 708 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,880 It slows down, drives past and stops right behind the car. 709 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,480 There are two people, both wearing black fatigues. 710 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,840 I walked towards them with open hands. 711 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,040 We had agreed on a code name. 712 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,199 I had to place the money in a bag. 713 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,519 He didn't even open it, he just weighs it. 714 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,039 And then I said to him, "We have a deal," stretched out my hand, 715 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,639 then he gave me a handshake. 716 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,599 He knew English. I mean, it could have been one of them. 717 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,439 I don't know which of them. 718 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,599 And then he just spun around and got on the bike. 719 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,080 And then he disappeared across the border to the south. 720 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,199 This transaction lasted less than two minutes 721 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,720 and it felt like two hours. 722 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,480 And then there was a very long waiting game. 723 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,599 The three Beatles came into the room, threw a blanket over my head, 724 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,399 dragged me to the door, 725 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,000 and two days later, I crossed the border... 726 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,000 ...and came into freedom. 727 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,680 And there he stood, Jens... 728 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,400 ...with a new pair of glasses for me. 729 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,759 We hugged, and it was very emotional. 730 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,640 And it was difficult for him to let go. 731 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,079 He had been looking for me for 13 months, 732 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,920 blaming me for destroying his sleep. 733 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:26,040 This tremendous relief at that time, it was very moving. 734 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,079 We celebrated his freedom, 735 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,240 and the day after, we flew back home to Denmark. 736 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,679 It was full of emotions. 737 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,720 I was super, super excited, excited, excited until I saw him. 738 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,960 And once I saw him, he was OK, something unbelievable. 739 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,160 I didn't want to see anyone, just to be with him. It's like... 740 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,480 ...I don't need anybody else. 741 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,959 It really wasn't until after the Spanish came out, 742 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,080 the French came out, then the Italian... 743 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,399 ...then it became clearer and clearer to me that, 744 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,200 "Wait a minute, our government's not negotiating." 745 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,720 The Europeans are, and that's why they are coming out. 746 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,999 I was so shocked. I was so... 747 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,880 So disappointed. 748 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,639 People who'd taken time to meet with me 749 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,239 had listened and then chosen not to help - 750 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:55,119 and had not been truthful till the very end, 751 00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:01,080 when it was much too late for us as citizens to raise a ransom. 752 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,439 In June 2014, the Islamic State group has reached its peak, 753 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,480 seizing Mosul, Iraq's second city. 754 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,679 It now controls the largest amount of territory 755 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,120 ever held by an extremist organisation. 756 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,199 - - The Sunni militant group Isis proclaimed its leader, 757 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:50,159 Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, as the leader of all Muslims. 758 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,159 SHOUTING 759 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,280 GUNFIRE, HORNS HONK 760 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,879 - - Iraq's second city, Mosul, is still emptying out 761 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,240 as the country risks breaking apart. 762 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,119 These are just some of the huge numbers fleeing 763 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,720 as the Islamic militants of Isis notch up their gains. 764 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,679 To see Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, after killing people and bombing 765 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,839 and cutting the heads, and he's like saying, 766 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,519 "I am the Khalifa"... 767 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,679 - - A terrified man is led away to be killed. 768 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,559 {\an8}...are you crazy? Like, after all these crimes? 769 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:28,960 This is not Islam. 770 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,319 {\an8}All of a sudden, they control a city like Mosul 771 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,520 with, what, 2.5 million people? 772 00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:01,199 This is now more than a regional threat. 773 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,759 These guys are serious, This is going to be a big, big, big problem. 774 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,559 {\an8}What was different about Isil State was, for the first time, 775 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,359 {\an8}here was an Islamist, 776 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,399 extremist, violent organisation that had money, 777 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,039 {\an8}oil, weapons and, effectively, a country. 778 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,040 {\an8}And so we had to act as urgently as we could. 779 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,519 - - Today, I authorised two operations in Iraq - 780 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,599 targeted air strikes to protect our American personnel 781 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,959 and a humanitarian effort to help save thousands of Iraqi civilians. 782 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,599 I mean, it was bound to happen 783 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,160 that they would have massive retaliation against Islamic State. 784 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,759 We intend to stay vigilant 785 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,279 and take action if these terrorist forces threaten our personnel 786 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,799 or facilities anywhere in Iraq. 787 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,079 And I knew that environment would make it almost impossible 788 00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,959 to conduct... not only negotiations, 789 00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:03,599 but also trying to send people in and out. 790 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,479 Tonight, we give thanks to our men and women in uniform. 791 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,000 God bless the United States of America. 792 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,319 By the summer of 2014, 793 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,880 only the British and American prisoners are left. 794 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:20,999 The start of the bombing had inevitable consequences 795 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,839 for the fate and treatment 796 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,200 of the remaining British and American hostages. 797 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,279 In July of 2014, I was about to come back to the States 798 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,759 when my husband told me that they'd received the email 799 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,839 announcing that Jim was going to be killed. 800 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,879 But the email was quite graphic. 801 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,959 They were planning to very brutally kill Jim 802 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:53,079 if we, our family, did not stop the bombing. 803 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,079 The terrorists were going through us 804 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,240 for things they knew we couldn't do anything about. 805 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,959 When it became obvious to the captors 806 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:07,279 that our government was not engaging, they just made a decision. 807 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,959 "That's OK, we won't try and get money for the Americans and British. 808 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,960 "We're going to use them in a different way." 809 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:21,559 The Beatles are still holding Americans Steven Sotloff, 810 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:26,479 Peter Kassig, Kayla Mueller and James Foley 811 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:31,680 and the British - David Haines, Alan Henning and John Cantlie. 812 00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,319 The UK and US are running out of time, 813 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,720 and with the announcement of the caliphate, it's time to respond. 814 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:48,359 I was absolutely clear that we had to find these hostages, 815 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,999 we had to find the people responsible 816 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,960 and that we had to defeat Isil in Syria. 817 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,999 I approached this from a soldier's mentality. 818 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,399 There is no negotiation. 819 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,519 We come through the fucking door, kill you all and get everyone out. 820 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,800 That was my only belief. 821 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,279 I had quite a lot of conversations directly with President Obama 822 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,639 about, "What assets do we have to try and find out where they are?" 823 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,799 It's an incredibly difficult thing to do, 824 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,879 but it is always right to try. 825 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,880 There was one attempt in July 2014. 826 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:34,599 Unfortunately, that had to be handed over to the Americans 827 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,679 because we couldn't build an air bridge 828 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,120 and American special forces executed that mission. 829 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,400 They put in incredible work to try and rescue John and James. 830 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:55,239 We thought we knew where they were. 831 00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:58,880 The Americans put quite a large number of people on the ground. 832 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,799 Huge, huge resources went into trying to rescue them. 833 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,960 People went into harm's way, bravely. 834 00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,600 But unfortunately it all failed, because they'd been moved. 835 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,359 Before I was released, the Beatles said, 836 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:25,520 "Take a good look... 837 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,560 "..because you will be the last one to see them alive." 838 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,759 So that was the last picture I had of James and Steven and Peter, 839 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,200 Alan, David and John. 840 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,560 Jim knew he wasn't coming back home. 841 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,600 But he wanted to reach out to us. 842 00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,120 And so he sent the letter to us through Daniel. 843 00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:10,200 To recite that letter to us, Daniel had memorised Jim's words. 844 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,560 The words in that letter were Jim. 845 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,800 It was just such a gift. 846 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,879 What he did was little anecdotes, 847 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,279 little lines to different members of our family, 848 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:36,280 to help each of us know that he remembered his last moments with us. 849 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,199 I remembered most vividly what he said about my mom, 850 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:50,039 that he was going to need her strength to reclaim his life, 851 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,120 I think he said. 852 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:03,120 It was very much Jim saying his goodbye to us. 853 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,999 John is held in captivity 854 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:21,039 and watches as all of his fellow captives are murdered. 855 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,079 This is James Wright Foley. 856 00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,879 I'd encourage everyone to put themselves in John's shoes 857 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,400 and say, "What would I do to survive?" 858 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,359 Hello, my name is John Cantlie. 859 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,279 I'm going to show you the truth behind the systems 860 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,239 and motivation of the Islamic State. 861 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,119 He finds himself very quickly as their little media guru. 862 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,239 Hello, I'm John Cantlie... 863 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:50,199 Some people said, "Maybe he has become part of the enemy." 864 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,119 This is Mosul. It's been a while since I've ridden a motorcycle, 865 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,639 so excuse me if I wobble around a bit, but... 866 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,119 He had found a way to survive, 867 00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,720 and I don't want to judge him in any way. 868 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,919 You know, who knows what any of us would do in those circumstances? 869 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,600 There are two sides to every story. 73478

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