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Okay, John.
Can you hear me alright?
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Yes, sir.
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I'll be talking to you
over this intercom
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when I'm out here. I'm going
to pump up that cuff now.
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Okay.
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The test is about to begin.
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Is your first name John?
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Yes.
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During the first 53 years
of your life did you ever do
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anything dishonest,
illegal or immoral?
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Uh, yes.
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Before 1981, did you ever
engage in an improper
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business practice
or put false information
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on an official form
or document?
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Uh, yes.
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Before age 54,
did you ever cheat someone
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or take advantage of anyone
in a business deal?
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Yes, I would say.
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Okay, John. How was it that
time? A little nervous?
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Well, like, ahem,
when you get into those
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general questions
you start thinking back
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about bad used cars
you sold people.
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- Oh. Yeah.
- About the..
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Maybe the time you..
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Yeah, I noticed
that you answered false.
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Committed
a little adultery, uh..
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- Mm-hm.
- You know, those are..
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Uh, I-I must say that,
uh, if you really --
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Causes you to think back.
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Well, you go through
your whole life.
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John DeLorean is one of the
maverick rogues of his day.
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And there are very few
of those guys around today.
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He was a dreamer,
he wanted to push things
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beyond where other people
had taken them.
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And in a way that's a marvelous
and appealing characteristic
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but it's also
extremely dangerous.
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John DeLorean was a winner
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a loser, a champion,
a relentless fool.
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This guy was the
quintessential leading man
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that Hollywood producers
dream of
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and he was real.
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I've always wondered
why a feature film
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hasn't been made
of John's life.
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I think it'd be a great movie.
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Obviously I'd had this dream.
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I wanted to build
this, uh, automobile company.
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Everybody said
it's inconceivable that
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any new automobile company
could survive.
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I'm always
interested in the story
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of the quintessential outsider
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full of ambition and hope
and works his way up
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and ascends
to the position he was in.
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He had it all,
his own auto empire
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a beautiful wife, children.
He was a golden boy.
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And of course,
his colossal fall
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is almost Shakespearean.
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John DeLorean who gave up
a shot at the presidency
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of General Motors to build
his own futuristic sports car
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is in jail this morning.
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The thing that's remarkable
about DeLorean's story
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is that it has all of these
incredibly powerful elements.
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It's got a marvelous
celebrity couple.
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It's got drugs.
It's got drug dealing.
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It's got FBI guys.
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It's got this incredible
political backdrop.
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It's the sort of story
that's, uh, you know
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i -- i -- if it hadn't happened,
you wouldn't dare to make it up.
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The interesting thing
is all of a sudden now
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a number of people
have been back at me
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wanting to do
a movie of my life.
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It always seemed to be a story
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that had been around Hollywood
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as early as probably
the early '80s.
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Often good ideas, you know
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produce several films,
uh, at the same time.
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With John DeLorean, I think
it was taken to a new level.
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Every single one of these
movies had different people
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from John's life,
different family members
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different underlying material.
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Which made it
this -- this fascinating race
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to get the movie made because
each one would have been
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a decidedly different story.
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Still to this day,
not one's been made yet.
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Every so often you hear
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"Oh, somebody's gonna make
a movie about DeLorean.
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Somebody's gonna make
a movie about DeLorean."
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Knock on wood, it'll happen
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'cause, uh, I think
i -- it could be great.
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He was this kind of
chameleon-like figure
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who could appear
one thing to, to one person
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and another thing totally
to a, a different person.
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And I think in a way,
that's why
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so many scripts have been
written about him
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because, you know,
he is open to interpretation.
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You get the impression that
he is either a beleaguered man
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who was discredited
and manipulated
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by big business in this country
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or he was the greatest conman
to ever come down the pike.
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We have an opportunity
this morning to visit with him.
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Would you welcome
Mr. John DeLorean.
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You shoot him for your purposes
over the arc of how many years?
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He ages a bit.
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Mostly early '70s
to early '80s..
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To early-80s.
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So there's a spread
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and he ages during that time.
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And I wanna see
how his behavior ages.
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I need to see clips
that are a range of that.
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But driving you all this time
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was this desperate need
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to make this car thing go.
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My pride is so intense
that nothing in the world
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would let me let
this business
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this car with my name
on it, go down.
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That's the corner of his eye.
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You draw a straight line
up the brow
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overlaps the corner
of the eye.
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Well, I think it's got
to come in a little bit.
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- It's got to come over?
- Yeah.
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Alright,
the involvement with cocaine.
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Talk about that.
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Well, it's a peculiar thing
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because,
you know, in my life
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I have never,
ever seen cocaine
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touched cocaine, used cocaine
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or been in the presence
of anybody --
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All the time
I've looked at DeLorean
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before I thought
where is he manipulating
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and where are the peeks behind
the curtain of who he really is?
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And then when you
play the person
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you say to yourself forget
about me looking at DeLorean
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as a viewer on a TV show
and saying
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what's behind
the curtain with him?
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When you start to play him,
you go, no, no, no, no.
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He's not guilty of anything.
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He didn't do anything.
In fact, it's the opposite.
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He's a hero in his mind.
He's a hero.
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And you, and you, and you
have to play that.
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You have to play
who he thinks he is.
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And you present him as who
he thinks he is to the world.
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And you let the audience
make up their mind.
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And that you suddenly thought
you were involved with the mob.
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And you were frightened
for your life
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and your children's lives.
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Really what happened..
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Let me just show my wife.
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She just thinks it's funny.
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She just thinks it's funny.
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She thinks this whole thing..
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She's like "Alec,
like I can't believe
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this is what they,
they pay you to do this."
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Oh, God.
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Wait, what are you doing?
You're doing a movie?
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We do re-enactment footage
of DeLorean's drama
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his caper, his escapades
and shoot them as a movie
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and cut re-enactment footage
into documentary footage
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of a movie about DeLorean
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and what he did
and what he went through.
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And the good news is,
I don't have to bother
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with any of that. They do.
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I'm gonna just go
put the make up on
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and go try to be DeLorean.
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For John DeLorean,
growing up in Detroit
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every kid's dream was to go into
the auto industry.
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One thing you have to understand
about John DeLorean
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is he was a brilliant engineer.
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And so to start with he had
some really good instincts
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and he had great talent.
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DeLorean thrived in the car
business first at Packard
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for a short while at Chrysler.
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And somebody sought him out
at General Motors
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and offered him
his choice of five divisions.
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He took on Pontiac,
which was the old ladies'
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division at the time.
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And it was really the place
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where he could shine the most.
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General Manager,
Mr. John Z. DeLorean.
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In those days, the late '50s
and early '60s at GM
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Pontiac particularly
was exciting to be there
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because they, they were almost
ready to be dropped.
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And of course,
that was the kind of thing that gave you
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the incentive to come up with
new ideas and make them happen.
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And I started as a very
unsophisticated young engineer.
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And I was given an opportunity
to, uh, attain a success
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in a business world
far beyond anything
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I had ever imagined
I was capable of.
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You know,
this was a special guy
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who was gonna change
the industry forever
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and truly become
a legend at the company.
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Scene two-Alpha,
take three. Marker.
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The story on the GTO
is that we were about ready
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to do a brand new line
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and we had
the '64 Tempest to be
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in the garage there with John
and a couple other guys.
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- Hey, Bill.
- John, you heading home?
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Yeah, I was about to.
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Wanted to stop by and see
how you were coming along.
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Well, I think she's about as
good as we're gonna get her.
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He would, uh,
encourage e -- everybody
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to, to do something new
and different.
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Was hoping maybe
we'd have something
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I don't know, sexier?
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- You mean sportier?
- Yeah.
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More high performance,
you know?
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Well, our bigger 389 engine
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has the exact same dimensions
as the 326 in here
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so we could swap that out,
no problem.
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How would the car handle
the extra power?
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That's the thing.
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Have to fit the appropriate
transmission and rear axle.
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But we do that,
it'd definitely be sexier, John.
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Shoot, we could even run
this in NASCAR.
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I say we do it.
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- Really?
- Yeah, absolutely.
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But then what? You think you can
actually sell it?
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You let me worry
about that, Bill.
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I was just gonna drive
it back and forth to work
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and I had
a marvelous time with it.
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And I found that every time
I lent it to somebody
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to use for a day or two,
I couldn't get it back.
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And I said, "Well,
there may be a market
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for something like that."
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What the hell is this?
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That's a GTO.
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It stands for
Gran Turismo Omologato
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which I think is Italian
for fast as hell.
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But, uh, it'll beat every car
on a track or American street
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and it's still a Pontiac.
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Hold on a second.
Turn that off.
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The 14th floor is never
gonna go for putting
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such a large engine
in such a small frame.
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Well, GM forbade putting
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a so-called big block beyond,
I believe, 350 cubic inches
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in a medium size car.
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The guys upstairs approved this?
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I don't need their approval.
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It's a new product, John.
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All new products need
upper management approval.
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And John was interesting.
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He loved really just figuring
out ways to bend the rules
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as much as possible.
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But it's not a new product.
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It's an options package
on the new Tempest.
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And one that puts a real
tiger under the hood.
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- It's manipulative.
- It's marketing.
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Pontiac is primarily
the division for older buyers.
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What are they gonna want
with a hot rod?
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We're the division
for older buyers
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because that's how
we view ourselves.
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We've got to anticipate
251
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what younger buyers want before
they even know what they want.
252
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And once they realize it,
give them this.
253
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So how many you wanna produce?
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You're the sales manager,
you tell me.
255
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I was thinking about 30,000.
256
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- You're outta your damn mind.
- John, be reasonable.
257
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I can't imagine us selling
even close to 5,000
258
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but let's start
with that number
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and let's hope that
they don't rust on the lot.
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At that time,
the sales manager
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of Pontiac thought
it was stupid.
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And he refused
to schedule more
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than I think about four
or five thousand for the year.
264
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It was an outlaw move.
265
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DeLorean snuck it past
the GM watchdogs
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by a sort of sleight-of-hand.
267
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It was just
an options package.
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Despite his feeling
it wouldn't sell
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I think we sold like,
45,000 the first year.
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What he figured out
before anyone figured it out
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was that this exploding
youth movement
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had interest in cars as
something that would represent
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the way they wanted
to look to the world.
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It's the perfect moment
in which John was able to marry
275
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both his brilliant engineering
as well as his marketing prowess
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to create the muscle car.
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The muscle car era really
advanced Detroit.
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It made money.
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It made Pontiac.
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It made those three letters
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GTO, legendary.
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There's an odd parallel
between the Pontiac GTO
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and John Z. DeLorean.
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The GTO was a risk taken.
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And I think
it convinced DeLorean
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that taking a risk
no one else was willing
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to step up to
and making it work
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at all costs
was how you did it.
289
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And after you
do it once, why stop?
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What I see
about DeLorean for me
291
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he took such risks.
292
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And the problem with people
who take risks like that
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is that when they win, when
they make their calculated risk
294
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they become emboldened,
they take more risks.
295
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And then they take risks outside
of their normal sphere.
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Between this and the other,
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it'll generate, uh,
about four and a half
298
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uh, not less than
four and a half mil.
299
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Risk-taking in the automotive
industry and risk-taking
300
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with a bunch
of drug dealers in a hotel
301
00:13:54,592 --> 00:13:56,732
are two different things
when your confidence
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in yourself is very, very high.
303
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You don't make mistakes.
You don't see them coming.
304
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This stuff weighs more..
305
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Gold weighs more than this.
306
00:14:09,538 --> 00:14:11,402
Gold weighs more than this
for God's sakes.
307
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- Yeah. Better than gold.
- Better than gold.
308
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Gold weighs more than this,
for God's sakes.
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- Hi, John.
- Hi, John.
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- Hi.
- Jerry West. We're the FBI.
311
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But in the end,
when he's arrested
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and he tilts his head back
313
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and you have a shot
hopefully looking down
314
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from the ceiling
315
00:14:31,042 --> 00:14:33,182
and his head should
crane up and look right up
316
00:14:33,217 --> 00:14:35,081
into a thing
and look off camera
317
00:14:35,115 --> 00:14:36,772
and he's thinking, and
what, what are you thinking?
318
00:14:36,806 --> 00:14:38,463
We should cut
to what he's thinking.
319
00:14:38,498 --> 00:14:39,844
He's worried about his family.
320
00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,777
He's worried
about losing everything.
321
00:14:41,811 --> 00:14:44,193
And there were like,
four or five things
322
00:14:44,228 --> 00:14:46,092
if he just made a little
adjustment here
323
00:14:46,126 --> 00:14:48,439
and made this decision
differently there
324
00:14:48,473 --> 00:14:50,993
all of it would have turned
out completely differently.
325
00:14:55,964 --> 00:14:58,518
DeLorean was clearly
a fast mover
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at GM in the early '70s.
327
00:15:00,865 --> 00:15:02,660
Whoever makes
the most money at GM
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is the most important person.
329
00:15:04,144 --> 00:15:07,492
And everything
he touched turn to gold.
330
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So by the time John
reaches the 14th floor
331
00:15:10,495 --> 00:15:12,221
better known
as the executive level
332
00:15:12,256 --> 00:15:13,947
he's in his mid 40s.
333
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If he just plays
his cards right
334
00:15:16,329 --> 00:15:19,194
he's poised to be the next
president of General Motors
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the largest corporation
in the world.
336
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GM was very intentional
337
00:15:24,164 --> 00:15:26,339
on making
executives colorless.
338
00:15:26,373 --> 00:15:30,653
And DeLorean was
a highly Technicolor person.
339
00:15:30,688 --> 00:15:33,760
He wore open collars.
He wore side burns.
340
00:15:33,794 --> 00:15:36,418
He spent his weekends
in California.
341
00:15:36,452 --> 00:15:38,523
And you know what an evil
influence that is.
342
00:15:38,558 --> 00:15:41,664
He gets significant
plastic surgery on his face
343
00:15:41,699 --> 00:15:43,839
to give himself
a stronger jaw.
344
00:15:43,873 --> 00:15:46,807
He starts weight lifting
and losing weight.
345
00:15:46,842 --> 00:15:48,740
He and his first wife separated
346
00:15:48,775 --> 00:15:51,951
and then he started dating
actresses and models
347
00:15:51,985 --> 00:15:54,263
uh, women that were
a lot younger than him
348
00:15:54,298 --> 00:15:57,025
uh, and who
a lot of GM executives
349
00:15:57,059 --> 00:15:59,303
and their wives thought
were age-inappropriate.
350
00:15:59,337 --> 00:16:02,306
I have a reasonably
strong sex drive
351
00:16:02,340 --> 00:16:05,412
which I happen to think is
an important part of any guy.
352
00:16:05,447 --> 00:16:07,932
No man who ever
accomplished something
353
00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:10,728
uh, didn't have
that one characteristic.
354
00:16:10,762 --> 00:16:14,387
He married a second wife, Kelly Harmon.
Blond bombshell.
355
00:16:14,421 --> 00:16:16,113
She was 19 at the time.
356
00:16:16,147 --> 00:16:18,736
The General Motors
PR Department
357
00:16:18,770 --> 00:16:21,014
added a couple years to her age
358
00:16:21,049 --> 00:16:24,017
when the press releases first
went out about the marriage.
359
00:16:24,052 --> 00:16:26,537
She lives there in Detroit
for two or three years
360
00:16:26,571 --> 00:16:29,367
becomes disillusioned with
the marriage and leaves him.
361
00:16:29,402 --> 00:16:31,024
And within a year and a half,
362
00:16:31,059 --> 00:16:33,199
he's married
to Cristina Ferrare
363
00:16:33,233 --> 00:16:36,202
the, at that point,
world's top super model.
364
00:16:36,236 --> 00:16:38,169
Then he ended up, of course,
in the fashion magazines
365
00:16:38,204 --> 00:16:39,239
and that kind of thing.
366
00:16:39,274 --> 00:16:42,104
And while that
enhanced his image
367
00:16:42,139 --> 00:16:44,727
outside of the company,
it created problems
368
00:16:44,762 --> 00:16:45,866
for him within.
369
00:16:45,901 --> 00:16:47,075
GM can't stand this.
370
00:16:47,109 --> 00:16:48,317
It's pissing them off.
371
00:16:48,352 --> 00:16:49,525
And he goes back
to them and says
372
00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,389
"Hey, what are
you guys worried about?
373
00:16:51,424 --> 00:16:53,253
Look at the sales numbers."
374
00:16:53,288 --> 00:16:56,670
Tom, how do you feel about our
retail sales job this past year?
375
00:16:56,705 --> 00:17:00,295
How do I feel?
John, I feel great.
376
00:17:00,329 --> 00:17:03,367
Both at Pontiac
and at Chevrolet
377
00:17:03,401 --> 00:17:05,921
he was making so much money
for the company.
378
00:17:05,955 --> 00:17:08,061
And all the executives
that he reported to
379
00:17:08,096 --> 00:17:10,719
who were upset
with his lifestyle
380
00:17:10,753 --> 00:17:12,997
upset with him
couldn't quite figure out
381
00:17:13,032 --> 00:17:15,068
how he was doing so well,
but they could see the numbers
382
00:17:15,103 --> 00:17:17,105
and they knew that showed up
in their bonus checks.
383
00:17:17,139 --> 00:17:19,003
And that was
the interesting dilemma
384
00:17:19,038 --> 00:17:20,798
for GM with John DeLorean.
385
00:17:28,047 --> 00:17:30,014
This is Boston Harbor
386
00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:32,982
and those are Volkswagens.
387
00:17:34,260 --> 00:17:36,020
They're coming in.
388
00:17:36,055 --> 00:17:38,678
One of the tragic flaws
of GM and again
389
00:17:38,712 --> 00:17:41,232
this is something
he knew is that the company
390
00:17:41,267 --> 00:17:42,889
was all too willing
to do what it was doing
391
00:17:42,923 --> 00:17:44,960
year after year after year
because it was working
392
00:17:44,994 --> 00:17:46,789
even though they were
ignoring, for instance
393
00:17:46,824 --> 00:17:50,034
the small car market and let it
go a lot of time to foreigners.
394
00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:51,829
He saw what was coming
from a lot of these imports
395
00:17:51,863 --> 00:17:55,764
these smaller, more fuel
efficient, better quality cars.
396
00:17:55,798 --> 00:17:58,111
And he knew the writing
was on the wall.
397
00:17:58,146 --> 00:18:01,218
Obviously, I saw
the trends very clearly
398
00:18:01,252 --> 00:18:04,221
and I, and I wanted to react
to 'em a little bit
399
00:18:04,255 --> 00:18:06,326
perhaps more aggressively
than other members
400
00:18:06,361 --> 00:18:07,948
of the industry management.
401
00:18:07,983 --> 00:18:10,434
He had big aspirations.
He wanted to stay at GM.
402
00:18:10,468 --> 00:18:12,746
He wanted to be president,
he wanted to do things
403
00:18:12,781 --> 00:18:15,094
take the company in directions
that they weren't willing to do
404
00:18:15,128 --> 00:18:19,408
because they were so comfortable
being the fat cat at the time
405
00:18:19,443 --> 00:18:21,755
being the number one car
company in the world.
406
00:18:21,790 --> 00:18:24,379
And that
leads to his demise.
407
00:18:27,071 --> 00:18:28,417
There were executives
who resented him.
408
00:18:28,452 --> 00:18:29,591
Probably the most prominent
409
00:18:29,625 --> 00:18:31,938
is, is a guy named Roger Kyes.
410
00:18:31,972 --> 00:18:35,079
It was just a total
difference of opinion.
411
00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:38,910
I think he considered me, uh,
capricious and superficial
412
00:18:38,945 --> 00:18:42,328
and I considered him
a pompous ass.
413
00:18:42,362 --> 00:18:44,330
Those enemies in the company
414
00:18:44,364 --> 00:18:47,022
uh, slowly developed
kind of a cabal
415
00:18:47,056 --> 00:18:49,438
if you will, against DeLorean.
416
00:18:49,473 --> 00:18:52,200
In 1972, they tasked John
417
00:18:52,234 --> 00:18:55,341
with putting together a speech
to talk about GM's quality.
418
00:18:55,375 --> 00:18:57,377
The infamous Greenbrier Speech.
419
00:18:57,412 --> 00:19:00,760
They pre-read all the
speeches weeks in advance.
420
00:19:00,794 --> 00:19:03,003
They noticed that the speech
not only criticizes
421
00:19:03,038 --> 00:19:05,213
the quality of the cars,
but it criticizes a lot
422
00:19:05,247 --> 00:19:07,456
of the executives
that are currently there
423
00:19:07,491 --> 00:19:09,148
some of his own bosses.
424
00:19:09,182 --> 00:19:11,011
And they censored
a lot of the stuff
425
00:19:11,046 --> 00:19:12,220
that he could say
in the speech.
426
00:19:12,254 --> 00:19:14,291
But, you know,
he wasn't gonna let it just
427
00:19:14,325 --> 00:19:15,844
rest at that.
428
00:19:15,878 --> 00:19:17,156
There's nothing.
429
00:19:18,329 --> 00:19:19,675
There's something you forgot.
430
00:19:19,710 --> 00:19:21,332
Well, that's the one
I'm actually giving
431
00:19:21,367 --> 00:19:23,748
at Greenbrier on Saturday.
432
00:19:23,783 --> 00:19:26,337
This is the speech
I should be giving.
433
00:19:26,372 --> 00:19:28,167
What I should
be saying is in here
434
00:19:28,201 --> 00:19:31,204
it's somewhere
buried like Kyes wants.
435
00:19:31,239 --> 00:19:34,552
- You think it's personal, then?
- Oh, sure it's personal.
436
00:19:34,587 --> 00:19:36,692
I wonder how much longer
I can do this dance.
437
00:19:36,727 --> 00:19:39,764
I mean, at this rate,
it'll be ten years of me
438
00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:41,594
pushing papers
that I didn't write
439
00:19:41,628 --> 00:19:43,078
before I'm named president.
440
00:19:43,112 --> 00:19:46,185
And that's,
that's not gonna work at all.
441
00:19:47,945 --> 00:19:50,189
Any thoughts on how
you might accelerate that?
442
00:19:53,537 --> 00:19:55,711
As a matter of fact,
I've got a few ideas, yeah.
443
00:19:56,885 --> 00:20:00,129
If this original speech
were to be leaked
444
00:20:00,164 --> 00:20:02,684
there would be
some blowback, sure.
445
00:20:02,718 --> 00:20:04,893
But I'd be vindicated.
446
00:20:04,927 --> 00:20:07,240
And in this
particular situation
447
00:20:07,275 --> 00:20:09,346
what he wants is
for the public and the press
448
00:20:09,380 --> 00:20:12,072
to sort of shame GM
and push them in the direction
449
00:20:12,107 --> 00:20:15,317
that he wanted
the company to go in.
450
00:20:15,352 --> 00:20:17,285
- Good to see you, Roy.
- And you, John.
451
00:20:17,319 --> 00:20:20,115
And he felt that
by calling these people out
452
00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:22,497
that this was gonna somehow
prop him up and propel him
453
00:20:22,531 --> 00:20:24,809
even faster
into the presidency.
454
00:20:26,294 --> 00:20:28,848
His initial speech
leaked to the press
455
00:20:28,882 --> 00:20:31,885
and it was all over the news
that John DeLorean
456
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,233
is highly critical
of General Motors' quality.
457
00:20:36,131 --> 00:20:39,168
DeLorean claimed his enemies
had leaked these
458
00:20:39,203 --> 00:20:41,170
the speeches out.
459
00:20:41,205 --> 00:20:44,070
Became apparent
that people close to DeLorean
460
00:20:44,104 --> 00:20:46,279
had leaked these speeches out.
461
00:20:46,314 --> 00:20:47,763
You gotta remember
this is a person
462
00:20:47,798 --> 00:20:52,181
who was only rewarded
for taking big risks.
463
00:20:52,216 --> 00:20:54,736
Dangerous moves.
464
00:20:54,770 --> 00:20:56,634
It didn't work.
465
00:20:56,669 --> 00:21:00,328
No doubt, DeLorean was booted
by members of the board
466
00:21:00,362 --> 00:21:02,261
and the corporate directors.
467
00:21:02,295 --> 00:21:06,541
And that forced him out
very abruptly in 1973.
468
00:21:13,858 --> 00:21:17,586
DeLorean is ejected
from the company
469
00:21:17,621 --> 00:21:21,970
and what should have been
a very embarrassing event.
470
00:21:22,004 --> 00:21:27,389
However, he finds a way
at making it all heroic.
471
00:21:27,424 --> 00:21:29,184
Being fired or being 1/7th
472
00:21:29,218 --> 00:21:31,151
or 1/10th of some committee
473
00:21:31,186 --> 00:21:33,292
is a very unappealing
thing to me.
474
00:21:33,326 --> 00:21:35,742
Obviously, it was
very rewarding financially
475
00:21:35,777 --> 00:21:37,813
and it would have been
easy to sit there for another
476
00:21:37,848 --> 00:21:40,506
17 years collecting a, you know,
a half a million
477
00:21:40,540 --> 00:21:42,611
or three quarters
of a million dollars a year
478
00:21:42,646 --> 00:21:45,131
but that really didn't
appeal to me very much.
479
00:21:45,165 --> 00:21:49,135
A full career would have been
another 15 years.
480
00:21:49,169 --> 00:21:50,654
Well, what's he gonna do?
481
00:21:50,688 --> 00:21:54,209
He's going to count beans
with the other executives.
482
00:21:54,243 --> 00:21:57,246
Compared to creating
new, cool products
483
00:21:57,281 --> 00:22:00,560
like GTOs,
it's completely different.
484
00:22:00,595 --> 00:22:04,323
There's no way DeLorean would
have lasted to age 65.
485
00:22:04,357 --> 00:22:08,637
Wow. I can't imagine us selling
even close to 5,000
486
00:22:08,672 --> 00:22:11,019
but let's start
with that number.
487
00:22:11,053 --> 00:22:13,746
I've got another car,
a stainless steel car
488
00:22:13,780 --> 00:22:15,368
you're gonna be
crazy about it.
489
00:22:15,403 --> 00:22:17,336
Yeah, okay.
Good luck with that, John.
490
00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:21,340
No, that's what
the line should be.
491
00:22:21,374 --> 00:22:22,651
T -- the bad version would be
492
00:22:22,686 --> 00:22:23,756
next thing you're
gonna be telling us
493
00:22:23,790 --> 00:22:25,205
"You want to build
a stainless steel car."
494
00:22:29,417 --> 00:22:30,935
In the back of his mind
495
00:22:30,970 --> 00:22:35,215
this concept car
was always stirring.
496
00:22:35,250 --> 00:22:36,941
What he called an ethical car.
497
00:22:36,976 --> 00:22:39,323
Oh, we're doing
a sports racing car here.
498
00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:41,843
It's gonna be designed
to have an eternal life.
499
00:22:41,877 --> 00:22:44,639
And so we're using
a non-corrosive material
500
00:22:44,673 --> 00:22:46,986
so that it'll just stay
together forever and ever.
501
00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:49,816
And, so it's gonna be very
beautiful aesthetically.
502
00:22:49,851 --> 00:22:52,923
He wanted to build
a sophisticated
503
00:22:52,957 --> 00:22:56,720
contemporary looking
sports car for the masses.
504
00:22:56,754 --> 00:22:58,929
That wasn't the norm,
you know, if you're gonna get
505
00:22:58,963 --> 00:23:00,413
something that's that exotic
506
00:23:00,448 --> 00:23:02,795
and interesting, you're gonna
have to get a Ferrari
507
00:23:02,829 --> 00:23:05,107
or a Lamborghini where they only
make, you know
508
00:23:05,142 --> 00:23:07,040
a few hundred cars a year.
509
00:23:07,075 --> 00:23:10,734
John was trying to make
a mass-produced car.
510
00:23:10,768 --> 00:23:13,392
He set out to compete
with the big boys.
511
00:23:13,426 --> 00:23:15,980
It's difficult,
if not impossible to
512
00:23:16,015 --> 00:23:18,983
to start up a car company.
513
00:23:19,018 --> 00:23:20,433
Really, the last one
you could name
514
00:23:20,468 --> 00:23:23,091
was Chrysler in the 1920s.
515
00:23:23,125 --> 00:23:25,645
And even Chrysler
went through bankruptcy.
516
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,234
There aren't
many people who'd do that.
517
00:23:28,268 --> 00:23:30,892
Who wanna risk it all.
518
00:23:30,926 --> 00:23:33,826
When he left GM, and he more
or less was forced to leave
519
00:23:33,860 --> 00:23:37,208
that became the, the driving
force in his motivation.
520
00:23:37,243 --> 00:23:38,589
I'm gonna show them.
521
00:23:38,624 --> 00:23:41,730
And so, it was part dream
and part revenge.
522
00:23:50,532 --> 00:23:52,465
There it is.
What we always talked about.
523
00:23:53,915 --> 00:23:55,261
What do you think
about being named
524
00:23:55,295 --> 00:23:57,919
the head of the
entire product program
525
00:23:57,953 --> 00:24:01,647
for the first mass-produced car
since Chrysler?
526
00:24:03,511 --> 00:24:06,203
John, uh, look, obviously
I'm, I'm flattered, but..
527
00:24:06,237 --> 00:24:08,343
No buts, Bill.
And I'm not flattering you.
528
00:24:08,377 --> 00:24:10,138
This is what you
and I were built for.
529
00:24:10,172 --> 00:24:12,278
This is real innovation.
530
00:24:13,935 --> 00:24:15,350
Does innovation
include a pension?
531
00:24:16,385 --> 00:24:17,835
- Who's asking?
- My wife.
532
00:24:17,870 --> 00:24:20,597
Well, you tell Nina
that the greater the risk
533
00:24:20,631 --> 00:24:21,701
the greater the reward.
534
00:24:21,736 --> 00:24:23,151
Besides, this finally puts
535
00:24:23,185 --> 00:24:24,324
you in the driver's seat.
536
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,430
Lemonade, boys?
537
00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:27,431
- Bill.
- Thank you.
538
00:24:27,466 --> 00:24:29,709
- Honey.
- Thank you.
539
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,920
And you've got
the money for this?
540
00:24:33,955 --> 00:24:36,958
Oh, yeah,
we've got several sources
541
00:24:36,992 --> 00:24:38,925
of, uh, initial investment.
542
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,174
You two are quite persuasive.
543
00:24:47,382 --> 00:24:49,867
Lemonade was my idea.
544
00:24:49,902 --> 00:24:51,490
It's delicious.
545
00:24:51,524 --> 00:24:52,939
You talk to your wife.
546
00:24:52,974 --> 00:24:56,322
I probably thought about it
and my wife would say we should
547
00:24:56,356 --> 00:24:58,531
probably not have done it,
having been at GM
548
00:24:58,566 --> 00:25:01,085
where money
was never a problem.
549
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,674
You know, you were sort
of gambling and you hoped
550
00:25:03,709 --> 00:25:06,056
this thing was gonna work out.
551
00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:09,542
The company really has
its founding in two people
552
00:25:09,577 --> 00:25:11,958
that's John DeLorean
and Bill Collins.
553
00:25:11,993 --> 00:25:14,443
Collins never reached
for glory.
554
00:25:14,478 --> 00:25:17,067
He didn't have so much ego
that he needed his name
555
00:25:17,101 --> 00:25:20,519
on the product. He was
always behind the scenes.
556
00:25:20,553 --> 00:25:25,247
He was the guy who made
DeLorean look good many times.
557
00:25:25,282 --> 00:25:28,112
Bill is a super,
wonderful gentleman.
558
00:25:28,147 --> 00:25:30,770
He is one of the
world's finest men.
559
00:25:30,805 --> 00:25:33,186
He really is.
He is a good man.
560
00:25:33,221 --> 00:25:36,949
And, uh, it was like
his dream, was to do this.
561
00:25:38,537 --> 00:25:41,091
I think from the beginning,
John's major concern
562
00:25:41,125 --> 00:25:42,333
always was fundraising.
563
00:25:42,368 --> 00:25:44,543
So my objective was to start out
564
00:25:44,577 --> 00:25:46,855
building the first prototype.
565
00:25:46,890 --> 00:25:49,099
This was definitely
Bill's baby.
566
00:25:49,133 --> 00:25:50,549
I mean, if there was an issue
567
00:25:50,583 --> 00:25:52,343
that had anything
to do with the car
568
00:25:52,378 --> 00:25:56,002
Bill Collins was the guy
leading the charge.
569
00:25:56,037 --> 00:25:59,696
That played out basically
for the first three years
570
00:25:59,730 --> 00:26:01,698
of the project.
571
00:26:01,732 --> 00:26:03,492
When we finished
the first prototype
572
00:26:03,527 --> 00:26:06,461
it was a huge event
because now we could say
573
00:26:06,495 --> 00:26:07,945
you know, this isn't some
574
00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:12,122
you know, dream kind of fakery
here. This is the real McCoy.
575
00:26:12,156 --> 00:26:14,055
We hadn't solved all
the engineering problems yet
576
00:26:14,089 --> 00:26:16,195
but it was exciting,
it turned out
577
00:26:16,229 --> 00:26:18,887
to be a great car,
in my opinion.
578
00:26:18,922 --> 00:26:23,167
To be part of this thing
that might grow into something
579
00:26:23,202 --> 00:26:25,135
that who knows
where it would go
580
00:26:25,169 --> 00:26:27,620
it was electrifying.
581
00:26:31,797 --> 00:26:35,214
This is a presentation of
The DeLorean Motor Company.
582
00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:39,287
Imagine how many
of the men who have headed
583
00:26:39,321 --> 00:26:42,635
each of the major automotive
manufacturers have wanted
584
00:26:42,670 --> 00:26:45,914
to create a product starting
with a clean sheet of paper.
585
00:26:45,949 --> 00:26:48,020
That is what the
DeLorean Motor Company
586
00:26:48,054 --> 00:26:50,332
intends to do.
587
00:26:50,367 --> 00:26:54,509
We were basically a company
with no foundation.
588
00:26:54,543 --> 00:26:58,824
And the less you have
to secure an investment
589
00:26:58,858 --> 00:27:01,550
the more risky
you are to an investor.
590
00:27:01,585 --> 00:27:03,449
And we were pretty risky.
591
00:27:03,483 --> 00:27:08,005
Our asset was John's
background experience.
592
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,044
And so he really had to be
what we initially were selling.
593
00:27:12,078 --> 00:27:14,149
John DeLorean
wants to build a car..
594
00:27:14,184 --> 00:27:17,014
You have to portray him as
being on top of the mountain.
595
00:27:17,049 --> 00:27:20,052
being adored
by the world as a savior
596
00:27:20,086 --> 00:27:22,848
of the auto industry.
597
00:27:22,882 --> 00:27:25,920
And we were the dog
and pony show experts.
598
00:27:25,954 --> 00:27:28,612
We'd do the set up.
We'd do the show.
599
00:27:28,647 --> 00:27:30,441
And then at the precise moment
600
00:27:30,476 --> 00:27:32,340
John DeLorean would come in.
601
00:27:32,374 --> 00:27:34,307
They'd actually see the man
and it looked like
602
00:27:34,342 --> 00:27:36,137
he was levitating.
603
00:27:46,492 --> 00:27:49,460
Most of you have already
seen my lovely wife, Cristina.
604
00:27:53,395 --> 00:27:56,053
I know she's likely the real
reason you're all here tonight.
605
00:27:57,641 --> 00:28:01,369
But in all seriousness,
I do have her to thank
606
00:28:01,403 --> 00:28:02,922
along with many others.
607
00:28:02,957 --> 00:28:05,062
In particular,
I'd like to recognize
608
00:28:05,097 --> 00:28:09,239
the man I handpicked,
essentially stole from GM
609
00:28:09,273 --> 00:28:12,414
to head up the entire
DeLorean Motor Company
610
00:28:12,449 --> 00:28:13,657
private program.
611
00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:16,349
Perhaps the finest
automotive engineer
612
00:28:16,384 --> 00:28:18,766
I've ever met
in my entire life.
613
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,836
Bill Collins.
614
00:28:25,013 --> 00:28:27,119
I know that we may be
the new boy on the block
615
00:28:27,153 --> 00:28:30,605
but I also know
that on this, the bicentennial
616
00:28:30,639 --> 00:28:34,333
of the American Revolution,
we can start making
617
00:28:34,367 --> 00:28:39,338
our version of the
American dream a reality.
618
00:28:39,372 --> 00:28:43,169
Allow me to introduce
the first incarnation
619
00:28:43,204 --> 00:28:45,931
in the evolution of my dream..
620
00:28:45,965 --> 00:28:50,038
...our first vehicle
code-named the DMC-12.
621
00:28:50,073 --> 00:28:52,489
The DeLorean Motor Car.
622
00:28:59,910 --> 00:29:02,292
In the early stages
623
00:29:02,326 --> 00:29:04,087
this was all
but the second coming.
624
00:29:04,121 --> 00:29:06,848
It was described
in Detroit as significant
625
00:29:06,883 --> 00:29:09,644
as the invention
of the Ford Model A.
626
00:29:09,678 --> 00:29:11,991
That this was
gonna change everything.
627
00:29:31,666 --> 00:29:33,426
I don't think I've sat
in one of these probably
628
00:29:33,461 --> 00:29:35,843
since my dad
had one on the farm.
629
00:29:35,877 --> 00:29:38,466
There's not much of a tie..
630
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:41,434
...for me to the car
as much as people would think.
631
00:29:43,367 --> 00:29:44,852
I don't know
if that makes sense.
632
00:29:44,886 --> 00:29:47,371
Being young when this car
was built
633
00:29:47,406 --> 00:29:48,752
you just don't understand
634
00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:50,996
the magnitude
and the gravity of it.
635
00:29:51,030 --> 00:29:53,481
You know, it's flying over your
head at 1,000 miles an hour.
636
00:29:53,515 --> 00:29:56,173
And you know, it's like
my dad built this car.
637
00:29:56,208 --> 00:29:58,486
You know,
it's got our name on it.
638
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,143
I mean, when I'm in it
or I see it
639
00:30:00,177 --> 00:30:03,042
I see my father,
I feel my dad.
640
00:30:03,077 --> 00:30:05,804
Uh, but between me
and this car
641
00:30:05,838 --> 00:30:07,529
i -- it's a, I think it's a
642
00:30:07,564 --> 00:30:09,738
love-hate relationship,
probably.
643
00:30:09,773 --> 00:30:11,775
Half the time, I don't even
know what to think of it
644
00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:14,536
you know,
to be honest with you, so..
645
00:30:19,541 --> 00:30:21,750
Probably the,
the closest person
646
00:30:21,785 --> 00:30:24,098
I've ever been close
to my whole fucking life
647
00:30:24,132 --> 00:30:25,824
was my father.
648
00:30:25,858 --> 00:30:30,000
He adopted me when I was,
I mean, two weeks old.
649
00:30:31,726 --> 00:30:34,763
As far as like DeLorean
or DeLorean Motor Company
650
00:30:34,798 --> 00:30:36,627
you know, it was just
dad going to work
651
00:30:36,662 --> 00:30:38,664
dad's building a car.
652
00:30:38,698 --> 00:30:40,700
I had no clue
how famous he was.
653
00:30:40,735 --> 00:30:42,841
Had no clue how famous
my mother was.
654
00:30:43,807 --> 00:30:44,946
I think we moved to New York
655
00:30:44,981 --> 00:30:46,637
probably I would say in '74
656
00:30:46,672 --> 00:30:49,917
because then my sister
was born in '77.
657
00:30:49,951 --> 00:30:52,264
Throughout my life I understood
658
00:30:52,298 --> 00:30:54,542
that there was
this man John DeLorean.
659
00:30:54,576 --> 00:30:56,785
And with this man John DeLorean
660
00:30:56,820 --> 00:31:01,135
came this history of,
um, all the things
661
00:31:01,169 --> 00:31:05,449
that are again iconically
encompassed by the car.
662
00:31:06,934 --> 00:31:10,869
And then there was my dad.
663
00:31:10,903 --> 00:31:13,941
And I understood
that they were
664
00:31:13,975 --> 00:31:15,908
two different people.
665
00:31:17,047 --> 00:31:18,600
When I was little
666
00:31:18,635 --> 00:31:21,224
my dad was at the peak
of everything.
667
00:31:22,225 --> 00:31:24,537
There are pictures of us..
668
00:31:24,572 --> 00:31:27,230
...and I used to say
it's the royal family.
669
00:31:27,264 --> 00:31:29,784
My mom was always so perfect
and put together.
670
00:31:29,818 --> 00:31:32,925
And my brother always
in his perfect little suit.
671
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,616
Oh, we were so cute.
672
00:31:34,651 --> 00:31:37,274
Like seriously,
we were just so cute.
673
00:31:37,309 --> 00:31:39,725
My dad was my best friend.
674
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:42,107
He just, he taught me
everything.
675
00:31:42,141 --> 00:31:44,868
He taught me how to fish.
He taught me how to drive.
676
00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:47,871
He taught me
how to ride a motorcycle.
677
00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:50,287
This is everything
he had been working for.
678
00:31:50,322 --> 00:31:52,738
This was his dream, I mean,
being married to my mom
679
00:31:52,772 --> 00:31:54,774
having a family,
having an, an apartment
680
00:31:54,809 --> 00:31:57,053
on Fifth Avenue, uh..
681
00:31:57,087 --> 00:31:59,572
...buying a farm out
in New Jersey
682
00:31:59,607 --> 00:32:01,540
having the car company.
683
00:32:03,093 --> 00:32:08,029
That was probably
the best time of his life.
684
00:32:11,274 --> 00:32:13,724
Can you see this well?
Is this lit well enough for you?
685
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:15,381
Because, I mean, I don't..
686
00:32:15,416 --> 00:32:18,384
I'm a firm believer
that that can't be faked.
687
00:32:18,419 --> 00:32:21,974
And now, how happy
she is, I don't know.
688
00:32:22,009 --> 00:32:24,114
And she seems pretty happy,
but she's a kid.
689
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:26,910
They're always
fairly happy as a rule.
690
00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:30,258
And, but look at
how happy he is himself
691
00:32:30,293 --> 00:32:32,536
the subject of the film.
692
00:32:32,571 --> 00:32:35,160
I don't think that can be..
I think he's very happy.
693
00:32:35,194 --> 00:32:37,300
And I have a picture
of my family.
694
00:32:37,334 --> 00:32:39,026
And I'm a couple
of years older
695
00:32:39,060 --> 00:32:40,993
than my wife
than he is from his wife.
696
00:32:41,028 --> 00:32:44,652
So I get this. I get this.
697
00:32:44,686 --> 00:32:48,587
And the problem
is that he wanted both.
698
00:32:48,621 --> 00:32:50,347
And when you want both,
you can have both
699
00:32:50,382 --> 00:32:53,247
but that's very tough to do.
700
00:32:53,281 --> 00:32:56,284
Cristina, you have been married
to this man for seven years.
701
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:58,631
Tell me about John.
702
00:32:58,666 --> 00:33:01,910
Well, I, unfortunately
for everyone else
703
00:33:01,945 --> 00:33:04,706
all of our other friends,
they do not know John
704
00:33:04,741 --> 00:33:05,984
the way I do.
And if they did --
705
00:33:06,018 --> 00:33:07,123
Well, that may be better.
706
00:33:07,157 --> 00:33:09,504
No, no, let -- let me be
more specific about..
707
00:33:09,539 --> 00:33:11,886
Because most of the people
know John as the
708
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,647
as a businessman
and an executive
709
00:33:14,682 --> 00:33:18,548
but I know him as a husband
and a loving father.
710
00:33:18,582 --> 00:33:22,724
And he is a totally unselfish,
gentle, giving human being.
711
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:25,313
I grew up and married
Prince Charming.
712
00:33:25,348 --> 00:33:26,728
- Really?
- That's exactly how I feel.
713
00:33:26,763 --> 00:33:27,936
- Yes.
- Alright, John.
714
00:33:27,971 --> 00:33:29,214
Describe her to me.
715
00:33:30,525 --> 00:33:34,115
Yeah, of course,
it would take days, but, uh..
716
00:33:34,150 --> 00:33:37,049
I never in my wildest dreams
ever believed
717
00:33:37,084 --> 00:33:39,569
that my life could be
so complete and so happy.
718
00:33:39,603 --> 00:33:42,986
And, uh, when there's any
kind of a family crisis
719
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:45,333
she suddenly becomes
the Rock of Gibraltar.
720
00:33:45,368 --> 00:33:48,440
She really is the solid,
stable part of, you know
721
00:33:48,474 --> 00:33:49,958
our relationship whether..
722
00:33:49,993 --> 00:33:54,066
She was very perky.
Peppy. Upbeat.
723
00:33:54,101 --> 00:33:56,724
And, and she is that way
in a lot of the footage
724
00:33:56,758 --> 00:33:58,036
that I've seen.
725
00:33:59,589 --> 00:34:00,969
Do you want me to walk you
to the elevator
726
00:34:01,004 --> 00:34:02,074
like I do every morning?
727
00:34:02,109 --> 00:34:04,525
- No.
- No? Okay.
728
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,114
Goodbye, sweetheart.
Have a wonderful day.
729
00:34:07,148 --> 00:34:09,047
Goodbye, darling.
730
00:34:09,081 --> 00:34:10,220
That's John. Anyway.
731
00:34:10,255 --> 00:34:13,258
But, every woman
who has it all
732
00:34:13,292 --> 00:34:15,156
and who works
and who has children
733
00:34:15,191 --> 00:34:18,090
and who is in love
and who has a loving family
734
00:34:18,125 --> 00:34:21,162
like you cannot be
100 percent at everything.
735
00:34:21,197 --> 00:34:23,613
When I was watching footage,
it was to sort of see
736
00:34:23,647 --> 00:34:28,100
what was the public Cristina
versus what was the personal
737
00:34:28,135 --> 00:34:29,584
where the cracks were.
738
00:34:31,207 --> 00:34:34,486
I just found out
a few hours ago. I know nothing.
739
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,764
I caught a plane. I'm here.
740
00:34:36,798 --> 00:34:39,698
She's so composed.
It's amazing, right?
741
00:34:39,732 --> 00:34:43,564
I mean, I feel like
she was caught in between
742
00:34:43,598 --> 00:34:45,911
what she wanted
things to be like
743
00:34:45,945 --> 00:34:48,948
and, and this is just me
speculating obviously
744
00:34:48,983 --> 00:34:51,227
but, like, what she
wanted things to be like
745
00:34:51,261 --> 00:34:53,850
and then what would,
the reality was.
746
00:34:53,884 --> 00:34:56,956
Not yet. We were just
rehearsing.
747
00:34:56,991 --> 00:35:00,305
- Sit down. Sit down you..
- What are you doing?
748
00:35:00,339 --> 00:35:03,101
And obviously with what
happened in their lives
749
00:35:03,135 --> 00:35:05,413
with John being arrested,
that's a huge..
750
00:35:05,448 --> 00:35:07,864
I think that's sort of like
the culmination of it all.
751
00:35:07,898 --> 00:35:10,936
And, and along the way I'm sure
that in their relationship
752
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:14,664
there were moments
where she was very much in love
753
00:35:14,698 --> 00:35:16,735
but wondering... you know
754
00:35:16,769 --> 00:35:19,013
he's incredibly driven
and ambitious
755
00:35:19,047 --> 00:35:21,222
and how does she
fit into that picture?
756
00:35:21,257 --> 00:35:22,948
Eventually the car
will get built
757
00:35:22,982 --> 00:35:26,296
but right now I'm trying
to build a brand.
758
00:35:26,331 --> 00:35:30,956
Well, it concerns me where
we're gonna raise the children.
759
00:35:30,990 --> 00:35:34,166
Well, wherever we set up shop
760
00:35:34,201 --> 00:35:36,306
we won't have
to spend much time there.
761
00:35:36,341 --> 00:35:38,170
All that matters is
which government gives us
762
00:35:38,205 --> 00:35:40,310
the most money.
763
00:35:40,345 --> 00:35:41,967
Well, it matters to me.
764
00:35:43,417 --> 00:35:45,350
And it matters to the kids.
765
00:35:48,387 --> 00:35:51,804
Don't worry. It's gonna be
great for all of us.
766
00:35:53,323 --> 00:35:54,945
Trust me.
767
00:36:01,642 --> 00:36:04,023
Northern Ireland's now
experiencing rioting
768
00:36:04,058 --> 00:36:07,268
on a scale not seen
for many years.
769
00:36:07,303 --> 00:36:11,307
Why pick Belfast, Ireland
to build your, your motor plant?
770
00:36:11,341 --> 00:36:14,206
Oh, it's very simple,
nobody anywhere in the world
771
00:36:14,241 --> 00:36:16,898
would come up with
the financing we needed.
772
00:36:16,933 --> 00:36:19,073
Now, nobody else
would go to Belfast
773
00:36:19,107 --> 00:36:22,214
because it's such a terrible,
dangerous place to be.
774
00:36:22,249 --> 00:36:25,597
I read in the newspapers that
John DeLorean had secured
775
00:36:25,631 --> 00:36:29,221
the investment he needed
to establish his car project
776
00:36:29,256 --> 00:36:31,327
in Northern Ireland
against the background
777
00:36:31,361 --> 00:36:36,228
of the famous troubles
that was rife at that time.
778
00:36:36,263 --> 00:36:39,887
The long civil unrest between
Catholics and Protestants
779
00:36:39,921 --> 00:36:43,235
scares off industrialists
depriving Northern Ireland
780
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:47,343
of jobs which it needs more
than any other area of Britain.
781
00:36:47,377 --> 00:36:50,691
The unemployment was insane.
It was 30, 40 percent.
782
00:36:50,725 --> 00:36:53,280
And John had something to offer.
783
00:36:53,314 --> 00:36:54,729
Jobs.
784
00:36:54,764 --> 00:36:57,318
The labor government
in Britain at the time
785
00:36:57,353 --> 00:37:00,804
was willing to put
in subsidies, loans
786
00:37:00,839 --> 00:37:04,601
a piece of land.
But here's the catch.
787
00:37:04,636 --> 00:37:08,329
It's got a population that
has never built a car before.
788
00:37:08,364 --> 00:37:10,400
There's no
pre-existing structure
789
00:37:10,435 --> 00:37:12,195
to build a car company there.
790
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:14,404
And you have to do it
in two years.
791
00:37:14,439 --> 00:37:17,165
I mean, are you kidding me?
792
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,479
And all they have at this point
is a hand-built prototype.
793
00:37:20,514 --> 00:37:24,069
So it was a long list
of things to accomplish
794
00:37:24,103 --> 00:37:26,865
to eventually be able
to productionize the car.
795
00:37:26,899 --> 00:37:30,524
It became clear to everyone
that they needed to have help
796
00:37:30,558 --> 00:37:33,147
to weed out all the problems
and actually engineer
797
00:37:33,181 --> 00:37:34,873
this car to be mass-produced.
798
00:37:34,907 --> 00:37:38,394
Well, Colin Chapman
comes into the picture.
799
00:37:41,742 --> 00:37:44,054
Probably the finest
automobile engineer
800
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:46,505
I have ever met
in my life, Colin Chapman.
801
00:37:46,540 --> 00:37:47,713
I'll introduce Colin now.
802
00:37:49,094 --> 00:37:52,028
Colin Chapman
is the founder of Lotus Cars.
803
00:37:52,062 --> 00:37:55,514
He was a pioneer
in the racing industry.
804
00:37:55,549 --> 00:37:57,378
He dominated Formula 1.
805
00:37:57,413 --> 00:38:01,762
A deal had been struck
with Lotus Cars as a company
806
00:38:01,796 --> 00:38:05,697
and Colin Chapman as a named
individual to engineer
807
00:38:05,731 --> 00:38:09,045
and develop DeLorean cars
that could enter production.
808
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:12,738
Well, the idea of working with
Lotus sounded like a good idea.
809
00:38:12,773 --> 00:38:14,844
We would all get together
and we'd become
810
00:38:14,878 --> 00:38:17,743
a joint organization and go
811
00:38:17,778 --> 00:38:20,125
finish the production
design work.
812
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:22,921
Well, when we first
got to Lotus
813
00:38:22,955 --> 00:38:25,820
I mean, right out of the chute,
it was kind of awkward.
814
00:38:25,855 --> 00:38:29,928
Here Bill and I and some
others had spent years
815
00:38:29,962 --> 00:38:33,587
getting us to this point
and then now it was like
816
00:38:33,621 --> 00:38:37,245
Bill Collins and Bob Manion
and whoever else was involved
817
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,353
they can kinda, like, just,
you know, watch us.
818
00:38:43,113 --> 00:38:44,391
And that of course isn't what
819
00:38:44,425 --> 00:38:45,909
I was gonna do and it certainly
820
00:38:45,944 --> 00:38:47,704
wasn't gonna be what
Bill was gonna do.
821
00:38:47,739 --> 00:38:49,982
This is Bill. John in?
822
00:38:50,017 --> 00:38:51,915
Bill, how the hell are ya?
823
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:55,056
Look, John, I got
the contract you sent over.
824
00:38:55,091 --> 00:38:58,336
I have to say,
it raises some questions.
825
00:39:00,061 --> 00:39:02,236
You've got a lot
in here about Lotus, John
826
00:39:02,270 --> 00:39:03,651
but nothing about me.
827
00:39:03,686 --> 00:39:05,239
Oh, you don't have
to worry about that, Bill
828
00:39:05,273 --> 00:39:06,896
it's just a lot of paperwork.
829
00:39:06,930 --> 00:39:08,311
Uh, you know what you're doing.
830
00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:10,037
I understand that,
John, but I, I thought
831
00:39:10,071 --> 00:39:12,660
this was supposed to be
a collaboration on the redesign
832
00:39:12,695 --> 00:39:15,801
but Chapman's nowhere
to be found.
833
00:39:15,836 --> 00:39:18,010
Well, they're doing
a lot of R&D, aren't they?
834
00:39:18,045 --> 00:39:19,736
That's the other thing.
835
00:39:19,771 --> 00:39:24,016
This, this company
in here, this GPD
836
00:39:24,051 --> 00:39:26,433
I've never even heard of it.
837
00:39:26,467 --> 00:39:27,882
You don't need to worry
about that, Bill.
838
00:39:27,917 --> 00:39:31,610
It's not going
to affect you at all. Okay?
839
00:39:31,645 --> 00:39:33,232
I don't see how that's possible.
840
00:39:33,267 --> 00:39:36,132
T -- they got a hefty line item
in here on engineering
841
00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:38,099
but that's what
we're supposed to be doing.
842
00:39:38,134 --> 00:39:39,687
It just seems like
you're paying twice
843
00:39:39,722 --> 00:39:42,587
for the same thing, John.
844
00:39:42,621 --> 00:39:45,210
Well, I, I.. It must be some
kind of a tax shelter, Bill.
845
00:39:45,244 --> 00:39:47,488
I don't know.
I'm not a CPA. I'm sorry.
846
00:39:49,939 --> 00:39:51,699
John, what am I doing here?
847
00:39:53,252 --> 00:39:55,185
Why am I even here?
848
00:39:59,811 --> 00:40:02,779
I liked Bill. I think
he'd done a tremendous job.
849
00:40:02,814 --> 00:40:06,611
But the moment I found him
reading the contract
850
00:40:06,645 --> 00:40:10,477
it was quite clear that
what he'd already decided
851
00:40:10,511 --> 00:40:14,066
in his own mind was true,
that he was out of a job.
852
00:40:14,101 --> 00:40:16,621
Colin Chapman was
not gonna have
853
00:40:16,655 --> 00:40:20,141
anybody looking over
Colin Chapman's shoulder.
854
00:40:20,176 --> 00:40:23,351
To do business like this,
don't you have to be pretty ruthless?
855
00:40:24,939 --> 00:40:27,425
Um, I don't think
you have to be ruthless.
856
00:40:27,459 --> 00:40:28,943
I -- I think you have to
be prepared to make
857
00:40:28,978 --> 00:40:31,429
some unpalatable
decisions at times.
858
00:40:31,463 --> 00:40:33,258
'Cause frequently
you're faced with
859
00:40:33,292 --> 00:40:35,294
making a decision
between two evils
860
00:40:35,329 --> 00:40:37,089
and, and you're gonna
hurt somebody.
861
00:40:37,124 --> 00:40:40,023
John DeLorean himself,
he knew.
862
00:40:40,058 --> 00:40:42,163
He'd arranged with Chapman that
863
00:40:42,198 --> 00:40:43,993
that this is the way
it's gonna be.
864
00:40:44,027 --> 00:40:47,514
Nobody had told the -- the
guys from the US team.
865
00:40:47,548 --> 00:40:50,689
It becomes painfully
clear that Bill
866
00:40:50,724 --> 00:40:53,243
and his engineering team
are out of a job.
867
00:40:53,278 --> 00:40:56,626
And not only that, there's
something very fishy going on
868
00:40:56,661 --> 00:40:58,456
with the finances of this deal.
869
00:40:58,490 --> 00:41:01,873
Colin Chapman was going to
be willing to do things
870
00:41:01,907 --> 00:41:04,565
that Bill would never have
been comfortable with.
871
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,465
And for John, I think that
was an important aspect
872
00:41:07,499 --> 00:41:08,983
to this partnership.
873
00:41:09,018 --> 00:41:11,503
And it was the type of thing
that was so important to him
874
00:41:11,538 --> 00:41:14,575
at the time that he was
willing to sacrifice Bill.
875
00:41:22,307 --> 00:41:25,655
"Dear, John, after much
deliberation on my part
876
00:41:25,690 --> 00:41:27,554
"I feel it is obvious to
both of us
877
00:41:27,588 --> 00:41:29,521
"that my participation
in your venture
878
00:41:29,556 --> 00:41:31,661
"is no longer the same
as intended.
879
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,078
"Under the current circumstances
880
00:41:35,113 --> 00:41:37,564
"I feel the only
alternative for me is to
881
00:41:37,598 --> 00:41:39,048
"tender my resignation
882
00:41:39,082 --> 00:41:42,016
"in all my present positions
at this time.
883
00:41:42,051 --> 00:41:44,363
I wish you and the rest
of the team the best of luck."
884
00:41:46,918 --> 00:41:49,576
All these years later..
885
00:41:49,610 --> 00:41:51,957
...it still looks great.
886
00:41:51,992 --> 00:41:54,442
And it would be nice to
have a brown interior.
887
00:41:57,135 --> 00:41:59,378
Well, it'd-it'd been
a long long time
888
00:41:59,413 --> 00:42:01,380
that we'd been
working on the project
889
00:42:01,415 --> 00:42:06,972
and -- and I felt that I was
being totally undercut by John
890
00:42:07,007 --> 00:42:09,147
and he really owed me
a hell of lot more than to
891
00:42:09,181 --> 00:42:11,425
treat me the way he did.
892
00:42:11,459 --> 00:42:13,807
And it just seemed like
the time to move on.
893
00:42:15,256 --> 00:42:18,328
Do you remember having
the conversation with John
894
00:42:18,363 --> 00:42:19,537
where you said,
"I -- I'm resigning?"
895
00:42:19,571 --> 00:42:20,917
No, I don't remember.
896
00:42:20,952 --> 00:42:22,781
I just..
897
00:42:22,816 --> 00:42:25,439
I think he was happy to
see me go.
898
00:42:25,473 --> 00:42:26,923
- Do you really?
- Yeah.
899
00:42:26,958 --> 00:42:28,476
He didn't try to
stop you at all?
900
00:42:28,511 --> 00:42:29,650
No.
901
00:42:34,897 --> 00:42:36,105
We're all males
902
00:42:36,139 --> 00:42:37,589
but there's something
to be said about
903
00:42:37,624 --> 00:42:41,455
being the guy that's sort of
the guy that bore the baby
904
00:42:41,489 --> 00:42:44,044
as it were
with the DMC-12.
905
00:43:03,304 --> 00:43:05,237
Before we started filming,
we knew nothing..
906
00:43:06,273 --> 00:43:08,655
...about John DeLorean, really.
907
00:43:13,107 --> 00:43:14,937
We basically
came to the project
908
00:43:14,971 --> 00:43:18,181
because a British
television station wanted
909
00:43:18,216 --> 00:43:20,977
to do something on Ireland.
910
00:43:21,012 --> 00:43:22,634
And I was thinking, "Oh, boy
911
00:43:22,669 --> 00:43:25,948
we can do a -- a wonderful
piece on Yates."
912
00:43:25,982 --> 00:43:28,606
They said, "No, no,
we want it to be about automobiles
913
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,574
because everybody in England
just loves automobiles."
914
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:33,438
Like most of our films,
you know
915
00:43:33,472 --> 00:43:36,683
the idea was to kind of watch
somebody who wants to
916
00:43:36,717 --> 00:43:40,825
fulfill a life dream and,
you know, that's who John was.
917
00:43:40,859 --> 00:43:44,173
John Zachary DeLorean certainly
doesn't smile much.
918
00:43:44,207 --> 00:43:45,415
The reason is simple.
919
00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:47,348
The most important project
in his life
920
00:43:47,383 --> 00:43:49,040
is yet to be accomplished.
921
00:43:49,074 --> 00:43:53,113
He was very guarded
because he had so many things
922
00:43:53,147 --> 00:43:57,358
I guess, on his mind
to get figured out all the time.
923
00:43:57,393 --> 00:44:01,155
Uh, we've had some kind of
criticism right from day one.
924
00:44:01,190 --> 00:44:04,158
First, uh, we were never gonna
get the program together.
925
00:44:04,193 --> 00:44:05,677
Then we'd never get
the financing.
926
00:44:05,712 --> 00:44:07,334
Then we'd never build the plant.
927
00:44:07,368 --> 00:44:11,200
I don't think the motor car
manufacturing industries
928
00:44:11,234 --> 00:44:12,684
whether it be America
929
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,584
UK, mainland,
actually ever thought
930
00:44:16,619 --> 00:44:17,758
that it could be done.
931
00:44:17,793 --> 00:44:20,381
Now the critics are
forecasting our failure
932
00:44:20,416 --> 00:44:21,797
two or three years from now.
933
00:44:21,831 --> 00:44:24,938
So, I think as long as you can
always keep your failure two
934
00:44:24,972 --> 00:44:27,595
or three years in the future,
you're probably gonna do okay.
935
00:44:27,630 --> 00:44:30,426
I think DeLorean's problem
was at that time
936
00:44:30,460 --> 00:44:32,842
he needed cars and he needed
cars in a hurry.
937
00:44:32,877 --> 00:44:36,432
You gotta pick the three or four
big markets and go after 'em.
938
00:44:36,466 --> 00:44:38,503
We can't wait 14 months
to start selling.
939
00:44:38,537 --> 00:44:43,335
It was a constant panic of
racing the clock
940
00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:48,271
and it was a damn the torpedoes
and full speed ahead.
941
00:44:48,306 --> 00:44:50,688
It was such a process of
building the car
942
00:44:50,722 --> 00:44:52,310
and seeing
what -- what was working
943
00:44:52,344 --> 00:44:53,829
and what wasn't working.
944
00:44:53,863 --> 00:44:55,658
We've had problems
on the upper control arm
945
00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:56,970
around the ball joint
946
00:44:57,004 --> 00:44:58,557
but we also had
a torsion rod failure
947
00:44:58,592 --> 00:44:59,973
at 41,000 cycles.
948
00:45:00,007 --> 00:45:02,941
Everybody knew that there
were gonna be problems.
949
00:45:02,976 --> 00:45:05,979
The view you took was, well,
yeah, we expected this.
950
00:45:06,013 --> 00:45:08,257
Fine, let's get on and fix it.
951
00:45:08,291 --> 00:45:10,397
It was crazy. Absolutely crazy.
952
00:45:10,431 --> 00:45:12,295
But it was exciting.
953
00:45:12,330 --> 00:45:14,504
You were an operator on
the floor seeing that lovely
954
00:45:14,539 --> 00:45:17,680
stainless steel car going
together the way it should go.
955
00:45:17,715 --> 00:45:19,786
That was very rewarding.
956
00:45:19,820 --> 00:45:22,754
You felt part of a family
when you went in there.
957
00:45:22,789 --> 00:45:25,446
Uh, there was absolutely
no trouble
958
00:45:25,481 --> 00:45:27,621
no Protestant, Catholic divide.
959
00:45:27,655 --> 00:45:30,072
One of the proudest
achievements, I think
960
00:45:30,106 --> 00:45:34,214
of DeLorean is that it was
a form of social experiment.
961
00:45:34,248 --> 00:45:36,803
You had for the first time
in Northern Ireland
962
00:45:36,837 --> 00:45:39,771
Catholics and Protestants
working alongside each other.
963
00:45:39,806 --> 00:45:42,291
The social experiment was
beginning to work.
964
00:45:42,325 --> 00:45:45,812
You can have a mixed
work force and be successful.
965
00:45:45,846 --> 00:45:48,746
And two years
and eleven months
966
00:45:48,780 --> 00:45:51,990
we had built a factory..
967
00:45:52,025 --> 00:45:54,268
...we had designed the car.
968
00:45:54,303 --> 00:45:55,476
The cars were built.
969
00:45:55,511 --> 00:45:58,790
And that was the best time
970
00:45:58,825 --> 00:46:01,517
I have ever had working
in any company.
971
00:46:02,967 --> 00:46:06,833
When the first six cars
came rolling out
972
00:46:06,867 --> 00:46:09,387
the news crews were all there..
973
00:46:09,421 --> 00:46:13,218
John was the biggest hero
in Northern Ireland that day.
974
00:46:13,253 --> 00:46:15,807
It's incredible
that he got 3,500 cars
975
00:46:15,842 --> 00:46:17,982
into the United States
on a boat.
976
00:46:18,016 --> 00:46:20,570
We actually sailed
on the damn boat, too.
977
00:46:20,605 --> 00:46:25,161
Uh, because I just was so
excited to see that happen
978
00:46:25,196 --> 00:46:29,200
because I knew he showed
them that he could do it.
979
00:46:29,234 --> 00:46:31,754
Buyers are reported to be
queuing up in the United States
980
00:46:31,789 --> 00:46:34,792
for the company's futuristic
Goldwing DMC-12.
981
00:46:34,826 --> 00:46:38,450
And D.A., and Chris,
you watch their movie
982
00:46:38,485 --> 00:46:42,213
and the perception you get at the end
is, this is a success.
983
00:46:42,247 --> 00:46:45,941
Everything was hunky dory
and it was great, you know?
984
00:46:45,975 --> 00:46:48,115
We'd succeeded in October '81.
985
00:46:56,779 --> 00:47:01,577
DeLorean is four or five
little moves away from victory.
986
00:47:03,682 --> 00:47:06,858
He's on the doorstep
of that victory.
987
00:47:06,893 --> 00:47:10,103
You know in -- in the music
of it it's like Bolero.
988
00:47:11,173 --> 00:47:12,415
You know, John just says..
989
00:47:17,489 --> 00:47:19,595
We don't migrate from that.
990
00:47:19,629 --> 00:47:22,046
He's played a pretty
high stakes game
991
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,602
and he really, really stays
calm and very contained.
992
00:47:26,636 --> 00:47:29,329
And the drama is in him
being contained
993
00:47:29,363 --> 00:47:33,091
while everything
collapsed around him.
994
00:47:33,126 --> 00:47:35,645
Things started to
go south very quickly
995
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:42,307
um, around the fall of 1981
996
00:47:42,342 --> 00:47:44,862
there was a series of
monumental cockups.
997
00:47:44,896 --> 00:47:47,312
So everything's going really
smoothly. But it's -- it's --
998
00:47:47,347 --> 00:47:49,211
Well, I wouldn't say smoothly.
999
00:47:49,245 --> 00:47:51,938
I don't want to, uh, give the
appearance that, you know
1000
00:47:51,972 --> 00:47:55,942
everything's just
absolutely, uh, perfect.
1001
00:47:55,976 --> 00:47:58,737
When those cars
first came off the boat
1002
00:47:58,772 --> 00:48:01,671
they were just a product
warranty nightmare.
1003
00:48:01,706 --> 00:48:03,570
The door won't close.
The gaps are all wrong.
1004
00:48:03,604 --> 00:48:05,744
The, uh, window wiper
won't work.
1005
00:48:05,779 --> 00:48:07,643
The door mechanism won't work.
1006
00:48:07,677 --> 00:48:09,507
You know, that happened when
it -- it happened to me once
1007
00:48:09,541 --> 00:48:12,096
getting stuck in the car. Couldn't
-- couldn't open the door, you know?
1008
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,169
We reviewed the car.
1009
00:48:16,203 --> 00:48:18,033
It costs more than a Corvette.
1010
00:48:18,067 --> 00:48:21,001
It didn't handle that great.
It was kind of slow.
1011
00:48:21,036 --> 00:48:24,798
It was not the car
he promised
1012
00:48:24,832 --> 00:48:29,182
this fuel-efficient,
high performance car.
1013
00:48:29,216 --> 00:48:31,874
It started to go south when
1014
00:48:31,909 --> 00:48:35,498
this happened in the teeth of
1015
00:48:35,533 --> 00:48:37,845
uh, a diminishing economy.
1016
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,502
Now the dream seems
to be fading.
1017
00:48:39,537 --> 00:48:41,539
Sales are way down
in the United States
1018
00:48:41,573 --> 00:48:43,472
perhaps for economic reasons
1019
00:48:43,506 --> 00:48:46,509
perhaps because of some
dissatisfaction with the car.
1020
00:48:46,544 --> 00:48:49,719
In a scenario where
there's a few thousand cars
1021
00:48:49,754 --> 00:48:53,275
coming to the US,
there's these quality control issues.
1022
00:48:53,309 --> 00:48:56,692
The lesson that should have
been learned from this is
1023
00:48:56,726 --> 00:48:59,005
let's slow production down
a little bit more.
1024
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:02,008
Let's figure out a way to
work out all these issues.
1025
00:49:02,042 --> 00:49:04,838
Unfortunately,
that's the opposite
1026
00:49:04,872 --> 00:49:06,564
of what John decided to do.
1027
00:49:06,598 --> 00:49:09,808
He pulled the trigger on
basically doubling production.
1028
00:49:09,843 --> 00:49:11,465
And what happened?
1029
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:15,193
These cars were backing up
like plague rats
1030
00:49:15,228 --> 00:49:16,815
you know, on the docks.
1031
00:49:16,850 --> 00:49:19,577
And it was just the wrong,
wrong move.
1032
00:49:19,611 --> 00:49:20,854
So the question has to be
1033
00:49:20,888 --> 00:49:22,580
well, why did he do this?
1034
00:49:22,614 --> 00:49:24,547
It was a typical John
move because
1035
00:49:24,582 --> 00:49:28,241
he saw a little angle
in the contract
1036
00:49:28,275 --> 00:49:31,485
where if you upped the amount of
people that were working there
1037
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,073
and increased jobs
1038
00:49:33,108 --> 00:49:34,764
then the government was
supposed to be giving him
1039
00:49:34,799 --> 00:49:36,042
an infusion of cash.
1040
00:49:36,076 --> 00:49:37,975
And so he thought
he was going to take advantage
1041
00:49:38,009 --> 00:49:39,252
of this little clause.
1042
00:49:39,286 --> 00:49:41,944
Anyone who deals with
the government knows
1043
00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:44,533
that there that's a risk
in itself.
1044
00:49:44,567 --> 00:49:45,983
What if the politics change?
1045
00:49:46,017 --> 00:49:48,847
What if the administration
changes?
1046
00:49:48,882 --> 00:49:51,609
Well, Margaret Thatcher
happened.
1047
00:49:53,473 --> 00:49:55,337
We'd had a change
of government by now.
1048
00:49:55,371 --> 00:49:57,615
The Conservatives
were in power.
1049
00:49:57,649 --> 00:50:01,619
Margaret Thatcher, the arch
privateer, was prime minister.
1050
00:50:01,653 --> 00:50:04,725
Between Margaret Thatcher
as prime minister and us
1051
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,003
there was a secretary of state
1052
00:50:06,037 --> 00:50:08,729
for Northern Ireland,
James Prior.
1053
00:50:08,764 --> 00:50:11,111
Well, I suppose my role
with DeLorean
1054
00:50:11,146 --> 00:50:14,045
was to keep him under control.
1055
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,531
Labor government had started
off the DeLorean business.
1056
00:50:17,566 --> 00:50:19,430
The conservative government
1057
00:50:19,464 --> 00:50:22,778
took a tougher line
towards subsidies
1058
00:50:22,812 --> 00:50:25,298
for Northern Ireland
for DeLorean.
1059
00:50:25,332 --> 00:50:26,644
DeLorean wanted another
1060
00:50:26,678 --> 00:50:28,922
$76 million from the British.
1061
00:50:28,956 --> 00:50:30,889
If not, he said,
"There would be layoffs."
1062
00:50:30,924 --> 00:50:33,030
I don't care about the British
1063
00:50:33,064 --> 00:50:34,790
taxpayers' money
or my own money.
1064
00:50:34,824 --> 00:50:37,689
I think the most important thing
is we have some people there
1065
00:50:37,724 --> 00:50:40,692
this is a very, very
important part of their life
1066
00:50:40,727 --> 00:50:42,280
and nothing in the world
1067
00:50:42,315 --> 00:50:44,075
should be permitted
to interfere with it.
1068
00:50:44,110 --> 00:50:49,874
John overestimated the fact
that we had created jobs
1069
00:50:49,908 --> 00:50:54,361
and that it was the jobs
that would secure
1070
00:50:54,396 --> 00:50:57,364
even more money
to keep us alive.
1071
00:50:57,399 --> 00:50:59,884
That was not the way
Margaret Thatcher saw it.
1072
00:50:59,918 --> 00:51:03,681
She genuinely took the view
that we couldn't go on
1073
00:51:03,715 --> 00:51:06,270
pouring a lot of money
after bad.
1074
00:51:06,304 --> 00:51:08,582
And in the end
we had to say no.
1075
00:51:09,997 --> 00:51:13,346
The result?
We ran out of cash.
1076
00:51:13,380 --> 00:51:17,522
Therefore, we were heading
for insolvency.
1077
00:51:17,557 --> 00:51:19,041
And that's at the point when
1078
00:51:19,076 --> 00:51:21,664
things got
very serious indeed.
1079
00:51:25,012 --> 00:51:28,050
We have a group right now
that, that has got the ability
1080
00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:31,536
to come up with, um,
for sure 30 million and up
1081
00:51:31,571 --> 00:51:34,919
you know, upwards of there.
1082
00:51:34,953 --> 00:51:36,541
And during this whole process
1083
00:51:36,576 --> 00:51:39,096
John's back was really up
against the wall.
1084
00:51:39,130 --> 00:51:41,926
He had to figure out a way
to pay some of the money back
1085
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,446
to the British government
as well as present to them
1086
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,758
a feasible way to keep
the company open
1087
00:51:46,793 --> 00:51:48,208
and make it profitable
1088
00:51:48,243 --> 00:51:52,109
or else they were threatening
to come in, seize the factory
1089
00:51:52,143 --> 00:51:53,524
liquidate the assets
1090
00:51:53,558 --> 00:51:55,491
and everyone was gonna
be out of a job.
1091
00:51:55,526 --> 00:51:58,598
Today DeLorean said he is
looking for outside financing.
1092
00:51:58,632 --> 00:52:00,393
All I wanna do is keep
the factory open
1093
00:52:00,427 --> 00:52:02,326
so that people can work.
That.. Nothing else.
1094
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,362
You last said that
you'd keep the factory open
1095
00:52:04,397 --> 00:52:06,606
if it was your last breath.
Do you still stand by that?
1096
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:07,883
I'm still trying.
1097
00:52:07,917 --> 00:52:09,885
During the months of, sort of
August, September
1098
00:52:09,919 --> 00:52:13,509
we'd had periodic contact
with John DeLorean.
1099
00:52:13,544 --> 00:52:15,408
Uh, he on a regular basis
1100
00:52:15,442 --> 00:52:18,790
was coming up with
potential funders.
1101
00:52:18,825 --> 00:52:20,275
I spent a lot of time
and effort
1102
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:23,519
but I think we're now just
starting out on
1103
00:52:23,554 --> 00:52:25,797
um, a very successful
relationship.
1104
00:52:25,832 --> 00:52:27,316
Oh, I think so, too.
1105
00:52:27,351 --> 00:52:28,731
It just took a while to put
it together and that's all.
1106
00:52:28,766 --> 00:52:32,873
The workers and, uh, the people
closest to him at DMC
1107
00:52:32,908 --> 00:52:34,323
were being told, "Hey, listen
1108
00:52:34,358 --> 00:52:35,807
"everything's gonna be fine.
1109
00:52:35,842 --> 00:52:38,465
I definitely have the sources
coming through."
1110
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:41,744
And we were still at the stage
1111
00:52:41,779 --> 00:52:46,059
where we were hoping and hoping
that it would go alright.
1112
00:52:46,093 --> 00:52:47,992
In terms of having that -- that
1113
00:52:48,026 --> 00:52:49,442
you know the first ten million
1114
00:52:49,476 --> 00:52:52,099
it sounds like that's
gotta be Tuesday, right?
1115
00:52:52,134 --> 00:52:55,344
I would say I should be able
to get that going very quick.
1116
00:52:55,379 --> 00:52:57,450
The impression we got
at that time was that
1117
00:52:57,484 --> 00:52:58,934
John had pretty well
gotten the money
1118
00:52:58,968 --> 00:53:04,042
by the 17th of October, 1982.
1119
00:53:25,788 --> 00:53:27,134
Hello?
1120
00:53:30,517 --> 00:53:31,863
What?
1121
00:53:40,424 --> 00:53:41,804
What are you talking about?
1122
00:53:43,565 --> 00:53:45,463
We're in the city
1123
00:53:45,498 --> 00:53:47,914
in the apartment at 8:34..
1124
00:53:47,948 --> 00:53:50,641
Um, the phone rings..
1125
00:53:50,675 --> 00:53:52,401
Mom, who was that?
1126
00:53:53,299 --> 00:53:55,646
And..
1127
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,891
...one phone call,
my life changed forever.
1128
00:54:01,479 --> 00:54:03,412
John DeLorean was
arrested yesterday
1129
00:54:03,447 --> 00:54:05,621
after he met
with undercover drug agents
1130
00:54:05,656 --> 00:54:07,761
who DeLorean apparently thought
were going to help him make
1131
00:54:07,796 --> 00:54:10,212
a huge profit in a cocaine deal
1132
00:54:10,247 --> 00:54:12,801
involving more than
100 kilos of cocaine.
1133
00:54:12,835 --> 00:54:16,149
DeLorean's wife, Cristina
Ferrare, an actress and model
1134
00:54:16,183 --> 00:54:18,358
arrived in Los Angeles
early this morning.
1135
00:54:18,393 --> 00:54:20,257
Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
1136
00:54:20,291 --> 00:54:23,260
I just found out
a few hours ago. I know nothing.
1137
00:54:23,294 --> 00:54:25,158
I caught a plane. I'm here.
I'm..
1138
00:54:25,192 --> 00:54:27,056
Everybody was in total shock.
1139
00:54:27,091 --> 00:54:30,405
Uh, nowhere in our wildest
dreams did we think
1140
00:54:30,439 --> 00:54:32,199
anything like this would occur.
1141
00:54:32,234 --> 00:54:35,306
John DeLorean may be the
perfect proof of the old saying
1142
00:54:35,341 --> 00:54:37,688
"The bigger they come,
the harder they fall."
1143
00:54:37,722 --> 00:54:40,311
And we might add,
"The more people want to hear about it."
1144
00:54:40,346 --> 00:54:43,349
It was just disbelief.
1145
00:54:43,383 --> 00:54:46,593
And then the news
just progressively got
1146
00:54:46,628 --> 00:54:47,836
worse and worse and worse.
1147
00:54:47,870 --> 00:54:51,426
He was expressing
an interest in financing
1148
00:54:51,460 --> 00:54:53,324
some type of operation
1149
00:54:53,359 --> 00:54:55,222
that would produce quickly
1150
00:54:55,257 --> 00:54:57,052
large sums of money
1151
00:54:57,086 --> 00:54:58,502
on return from the investment.
1152
00:54:59,399 --> 00:55:03,334
I was shocked out of my socks..
1153
00:55:03,369 --> 00:55:07,234
...to see him there in this
position that I've never
1154
00:55:07,269 --> 00:55:08,546
I'd never seen him in anything
1155
00:55:08,581 --> 00:55:11,342
except being pretty much
on top of the world.
1156
00:55:11,377 --> 00:55:13,068
The sensational case involves
1157
00:55:13,102 --> 00:55:15,312
more than 200 pounds of cocaine
1158
00:55:15,346 --> 00:55:17,590
an elaborate undercover
investigation
1159
00:55:17,624 --> 00:55:20,731
the end of the DeLorean car,
and much, much more.
1160
00:55:27,151 --> 00:55:28,325
It -- it's been said,
1161
00:55:28,359 --> 00:55:29,567
it's a cliche now
1162
00:55:29,602 --> 00:55:31,397
that the dream had turned
1163
00:55:31,431 --> 00:55:33,778
into a nightmare.
1164
00:55:33,813 --> 00:55:35,711
Could you imagine how we felt
1165
00:55:35,746 --> 00:55:39,819
seeing John DeLorean,
our angel..
1166
00:55:39,853 --> 00:55:42,718
I feel like,
there he was going away
1167
00:55:42,753 --> 00:55:48,275
and everybody was downtrodden
because we felt sure that, um
1168
00:55:48,310 --> 00:55:51,762
he had done so much,
he'd come through again.
1169
00:55:51,796 --> 00:55:55,593
But this time
unfortunately, he didn't.
1170
00:55:55,628 --> 00:55:57,077
Well, you're walking
out the plant
1171
00:55:57,112 --> 00:55:58,424
for the last time today,
how do you feel about it?
1172
00:55:58,458 --> 00:56:00,805
- We got nothin'.
- Pretty upset. Yeah.
1173
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,428
What're your chances of
getting another job now?
1174
00:56:02,462 --> 00:56:04,430
- None at all.
- Not very good at all.
1175
00:56:04,464 --> 00:56:07,018
I had to go into
the plant that morning
1176
00:56:07,053 --> 00:56:08,434
call the people together.
1177
00:56:08,468 --> 00:56:11,920
They'd all heard
the same thing, of course..
1178
00:56:11,954 --> 00:56:14,405
And it really was the end.
1179
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,408
I was going around
with a auctioneer.
1180
00:56:17,443 --> 00:56:21,378
And, uh, he was putting tags
on every piece of equipment.
1181
00:56:23,138 --> 00:56:24,760
That was my last day.
1182
00:56:26,728 --> 00:56:29,903
The expectation of everybody
working their hearts out
1183
00:56:29,938 --> 00:56:32,527
over there to get these cars
built to a good standard
1184
00:56:32,561 --> 00:56:35,978
and they felt it was,
it was gonna be their life.
1185
00:56:38,015 --> 00:56:40,776
And it all fell apart.
And it was incredibly sad.
1186
00:56:43,986 --> 00:56:45,954
I meet up with people
now and then
1187
00:56:45,988 --> 00:56:50,130
that... either they worked there
1188
00:56:50,165 --> 00:56:51,166
or their dad worked there
1189
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,823
or their granddad worked there
1190
00:56:52,857 --> 00:56:55,688
and you get the same questions,
"What was it really like?"
1191
00:56:55,722 --> 00:56:57,552
It was the best job
that we ever had.
1192
00:56:59,070 --> 00:57:00,313
And it was the worst day
of their lives
1193
00:57:00,347 --> 00:57:02,349
when it finally closed.
1194
00:57:07,216 --> 00:57:09,046
After entering a plea
of not guilty
1195
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,634
to all nine
drug charges against him
1196
00:57:10,668 --> 00:57:13,050
John DeLorean came out of
the federal courthouse
1197
00:57:13,084 --> 00:57:16,363
in Los Angeles with his wife,
model Cristina Ferrare
1198
00:57:16,398 --> 00:57:17,848
and the four lawyers
who are now
1199
00:57:17,882 --> 00:57:19,228
putting together his defense.
1200
00:57:19,263 --> 00:57:21,161
DeLorean said nothing today
1201
00:57:21,196 --> 00:57:22,611
but he is reported to
have told his lawyers
1202
00:57:22,646 --> 00:57:24,855
he was desperate
to save his company.
1203
00:57:24,889 --> 00:57:26,477
DeLorean's lawyers
are preparing to argue
1204
00:57:26,512 --> 00:57:28,721
the government
entrapped DeLorean.
1205
00:57:28,755 --> 00:57:31,068
Give him some room, guys.
Give him some room.
1206
00:57:31,102 --> 00:57:35,382
It was the case of the
century for that year.
1207
00:57:35,417 --> 00:57:37,488
Because every year
has a case of the century
1208
00:57:37,523 --> 00:57:39,076
trial of the century.
1209
00:57:39,110 --> 00:57:42,769
So we were the trial
of the century for 1984.
1210
00:57:42,804 --> 00:57:44,530
The sidewalks in front
of the courthouse
1211
00:57:44,564 --> 00:57:46,117
will be jammed with reporters
1212
00:57:46,152 --> 00:57:48,188
and camera crews
from all over the world.
1213
00:57:48,223 --> 00:57:49,811
Unless you were there
and you lived it
1214
00:57:49,845 --> 00:57:54,091
you don't know how captivating
it was for the nation.
1215
00:57:54,125 --> 00:57:56,507
A young entrepreneur started
hanging around the courthouse
1216
00:57:56,542 --> 00:57:58,716
steps today hawking
buttons that say
1217
00:57:58,751 --> 00:58:01,339
"John Z. DeLorean Cocaine
Trafficking Trial
1218
00:58:01,374 --> 00:58:02,686
Los Angeles, '84."
1219
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:08,726
Our public views these as
if it's a bad guy, get 'em
1220
00:58:08,761 --> 00:58:10,832
and if it's not a bad guy,
get the government.
1221
00:58:10,866 --> 00:58:13,904
It's all really kind of
entertainment to the public.
1222
00:58:13,938 --> 00:58:17,908
John DeLorean had some
bad news today.
1223
00:58:17,942 --> 00:58:20,876
The Automobile Association
named him dealer of the year.
1224
00:58:23,914 --> 00:58:25,778
A businessman down on his luck
1225
00:58:25,812 --> 00:58:27,504
tries to make money
in a dope deal.
1226
00:58:27,538 --> 00:58:30,852
I mean that's the, that's
the John DeLorean that I knew.
1227
00:58:32,129 --> 00:58:35,235
The case was of
overwhelming strength.
1228
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:38,722
Here's the cocaine
and here's your target.
1229
00:58:38,756 --> 00:58:43,278
And he's holding up a glass
of champagne, toasting.
1230
00:58:43,312 --> 00:58:45,073
To a lot of success
for everybody.
1231
00:58:45,107 --> 00:58:48,525
And says, that this is better
than what was it?
1232
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:49,905
Better than something, uh..
1233
00:58:49,940 --> 00:58:50,941
It's better than gold.
1234
00:58:52,183 --> 00:58:54,807
Gold weighs more than that,
for God's sakes.
1235
00:58:54,841 --> 00:58:57,844
Everybody believed
that the events were
1236
00:58:57,879 --> 00:59:01,468
showing John DeLorean in
the middle of a drug deal.
1237
00:59:01,503 --> 00:59:05,300
One of the things I asked
the jurors very early on was
1238
00:59:05,334 --> 00:59:08,510
"Would it surprise you if I told
you you weren't seeing a drug deal?"
1239
00:59:08,545 --> 00:59:11,306
And just hang on
and watch the whole movie.
1240
00:59:11,340 --> 00:59:14,689
And at the end,
you're gonna see
1241
00:59:14,723 --> 00:59:16,932
it isn't what it
appeared to be.
1242
00:59:16,967 --> 00:59:20,418
A real thriller, of course,
which it turned out to be.
1243
00:59:27,425 --> 00:59:32,672
Uh -- uh, the case starts with
a guy named James Hoffman.
1244
00:59:32,707 --> 00:59:35,295
He was the informant.
1245
00:59:35,330 --> 00:59:37,953
He was somebody
who had been a major
1246
00:59:37,988 --> 00:59:42,855
narcotics trafficker who had
the bad luck of being caught.
1247
00:59:42,889 --> 00:59:44,926
And he decided to cooperate.
1248
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,444
Valestra.
1249
00:59:46,479 --> 00:59:49,965
Mr. Valestra. It's Jim Hoffman,
your favorite CI.
1250
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,346
Uh-huh.
1251
00:59:51,380 --> 00:59:53,313
You're not gonna believe
who I had a call with.
1252
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:57,179
John DeLorean.
1253
00:59:57,214 --> 01:00:01,632
When I got the call
from, uh, the CI..
1254
01:00:01,667 --> 01:00:03,254
...who's a neighbor of his.
1255
01:00:03,289 --> 01:00:07,155
We were neighbors, uh,
out here in California.
1256
01:00:07,189 --> 01:00:09,122
I was across from his ranch
in Pauma Valley..
1257
01:00:09,157 --> 01:00:13,471
He says to me, CI,
that John needs some money
1258
01:00:13,506 --> 01:00:16,060
and the inference of drugs
was right there.
1259
01:00:16,095 --> 01:00:17,648
You seen
the kind of dire straits
1260
01:00:17,683 --> 01:00:18,822
his company's in right now..
1261
01:00:18,856 --> 01:00:21,652
- Uh-huh.
- He needs cash bad.
1262
01:00:21,687 --> 01:00:24,690
And, uh, he doesn't care
where it comes from.
1263
01:00:24,724 --> 01:00:26,968
You know, he -- he's gonna
be back in Pauma Valley
1264
01:00:27,002 --> 01:00:28,417
at his ranch next week.
1265
01:00:28,452 --> 01:00:30,937
He wants to meet me.
We've already set it up.
1266
01:00:30,972 --> 01:00:33,008
Seriously, Jim?
You're kidding me.
1267
01:00:33,043 --> 01:00:35,079
My hand to God.
1268
01:00:35,114 --> 01:00:36,460
This is happening.
1269
01:00:36,494 --> 01:00:38,669
I said, well,
see what he's got to say.
1270
01:00:38,704 --> 01:00:40,533
Go ahead.
See what he has to say.
1271
01:00:40,567 --> 01:00:43,467
Have I ever done you guys
wrong before?
1272
01:00:43,501 --> 01:00:45,158
I'll be in touch.
1273
01:00:47,851 --> 01:00:50,370
So at this point it's 1982..
1274
01:00:50,405 --> 01:00:53,339
Reagan's just announced
the war on drugs.
1275
01:00:53,373 --> 01:00:55,582
In a comprehensive attack
on drug trafficking
1276
01:00:55,617 --> 01:00:56,963
and organized crime.
1277
01:00:56,998 --> 01:01:00,001
In this time period,
a confidential informant
1278
01:01:00,035 --> 01:01:02,866
like James Hoffman
can actually make a living
1279
01:01:02,900 --> 01:01:05,869
by introducing the DEA
to high-level criminals.
1280
01:01:05,903 --> 01:01:07,767
John.
1281
01:01:07,802 --> 01:01:10,736
- John, great to see you.
- You too, Jim. Been a while.
1282
01:01:10,770 --> 01:01:12,289
And in this case
1283
01:01:12,323 --> 01:01:14,601
it's the perfect storm
for John DeLorean.
1284
01:01:17,363 --> 01:01:19,848
When Jim first approached John
1285
01:01:19,883 --> 01:01:22,644
i -- it seemed like
a very farfetched idea
1286
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:24,681
that he'd be actually
able to help John out.
1287
01:01:24,715 --> 01:01:26,096
These investors..
1288
01:01:26,130 --> 01:01:28,754
But Jim was throwing out some
numbers that seemed
1289
01:01:28,788 --> 01:01:30,341
very alluring to John.
1290
01:01:30,376 --> 01:01:34,035
Ten, twenty, fifty million.
1291
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:37,245
I thought your investors might
like to see these brochures
1292
01:01:37,279 --> 01:01:39,454
that we have made up
that really can show you
1293
01:01:39,488 --> 01:01:40,524
how we're all set to --
1294
01:01:40,558 --> 01:01:42,871
Yeah. Um, there's no need.
1295
01:01:42,906 --> 01:01:44,528
They're not exactly
the kind of guys
1296
01:01:44,562 --> 01:01:47,842
that get hung up
on paperwork, you know.
1297
01:01:47,876 --> 01:01:49,153
They're Colombian.
1298
01:01:51,708 --> 01:01:54,469
- They in the coffee business?
- You might say that.
1299
01:01:56,022 --> 01:02:00,544
They met and the first
conversation was not recorded.
1300
01:02:00,578 --> 01:02:03,754
So we don't really
know what was said.
1301
01:02:03,789 --> 01:02:06,861
And it was when Hoffman
then met with DeLorean.
1302
01:02:06,895 --> 01:02:09,967
At that point, Hoffman
comes back to Valestra
1303
01:02:10,002 --> 01:02:12,038
and says, "Yeah,
he wants to talk dope."
1304
01:02:12,073 --> 01:02:16,111
I say, Really?" I mean, uh,
well, if he, if he said that
1305
01:02:16,146 --> 01:02:20,391
we'd better... have him
say it again somewhere.
1306
01:02:20,426 --> 01:02:21,634
Which we did.
1307
01:02:21,668 --> 01:02:23,774
- How you doing?
- Doing great.
1308
01:02:23,809 --> 01:02:24,879
What am I doing,
interrupting your lunch?
1309
01:02:24,913 --> 01:02:25,880
No..
1310
01:02:25,914 --> 01:02:27,778
And on September 4th
1311
01:02:27,813 --> 01:02:30,298
the meeting at
the Lafont Plaza takes place.
1312
01:02:30,332 --> 01:02:34,164
That's a one-on-one meeting
with the CI and John.
1313
01:02:43,414 --> 01:02:44,899
That, uh, video..
1314
01:02:44,933 --> 01:02:47,660
that's pretty explicit stuff.
1315
01:02:47,694 --> 01:02:49,489
CI writes it all out.
1316
01:02:49,524 --> 01:02:52,630
And the scenarios are right there on
the, uh, on the paper.
1317
01:03:10,752 --> 01:03:11,891
During this period of time
1318
01:03:11,926 --> 01:03:14,860
John now is supposed to
come up with
1319
01:03:14,894 --> 01:03:17,103
uh, the 1.8 mil.
1320
01:03:17,138 --> 01:03:19,071
That was where it was left.
1321
01:03:19,105 --> 01:03:21,176
So he'd have to put some
skin in the game.
1322
01:03:39,367 --> 01:03:41,541
Government attorneys in
the John DeLorean trial
1323
01:03:41,576 --> 01:03:43,060
today introduced a videotape
1324
01:03:43,095 --> 01:03:44,648
that is perhaps
the most damaging
1325
01:03:44,682 --> 01:03:46,132
evidence against
the auto executive.
1326
01:03:46,167 --> 01:03:49,101
The tape was played as part of
the testimony of James Hoffman
1327
01:03:49,135 --> 01:03:51,172
a paid undercover informer
who was the government's
1328
01:03:51,206 --> 01:03:53,105
key witness against DeLorean.
1329
01:03:53,139 --> 01:03:55,832
Defense attorneys describe
the meeting in Washington, DC
1330
01:03:55,866 --> 01:03:58,213
between John DeLorean
and the undercover informant
1331
01:03:58,248 --> 01:03:59,421
as a clever lure.
1332
01:03:59,456 --> 01:04:01,285
And as for DeLorean's
participation
1333
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,460
in that discussion,
the defense team says
1334
01:04:03,494 --> 01:04:05,600
"There's no harm
in listening to someone else
1335
01:04:05,634 --> 01:04:06,877
talk about a drug deal."
1336
01:04:12,676 --> 01:04:14,989
For three months
during the trial
1337
01:04:15,023 --> 01:04:17,301
we moved to my grandmother's
1338
01:04:17,336 --> 01:04:19,890
grandfather's house
in Brentwood.
1339
01:04:19,925 --> 01:04:22,789
You know, I play it all out
in my head all the time.
1340
01:04:22,824 --> 01:04:25,033
Something will come up and I'll
start thinking about stuff
1341
01:04:25,068 --> 01:04:27,864
and -- and -- and, uh,
it'll -- it'll spark a memory
1342
01:04:27,898 --> 01:04:29,831
or trigger something.
1343
01:04:29,866 --> 01:04:32,178
Guys, no matter what happens..
1344
01:04:32,213 --> 01:04:34,077
Hey, we're gonna be fine.
1345
01:04:34,111 --> 01:04:36,044
Everything's gonna be fine.
1346
01:04:39,530 --> 01:04:42,844
My father was looking at
hard-core time.
1347
01:04:42,879 --> 01:04:44,190
And to my parents' credit
1348
01:04:44,225 --> 01:04:46,606
they did what they could
to make it as best
1349
01:04:46,641 --> 01:04:50,024
a situation as they could.
1350
01:04:50,058 --> 01:04:51,577
You know, how the fuck
do you tell your kid
1351
01:04:51,611 --> 01:04:53,924
that shit ain't okay?
1352
01:04:55,512 --> 01:04:58,964
He just asked me if we're
both coming back from court or..
1353
01:04:58,998 --> 01:05:01,069
I am not going away for this.
1354
01:05:01,104 --> 01:05:04,003
The jury will see how asinine
this whole thing is
1355
01:05:04,038 --> 01:05:07,455
and how they set up an innocent
man, for God's sakes.
1356
01:05:09,526 --> 01:05:11,079
What do you think
about this tie?
1357
01:05:13,392 --> 01:05:14,462
It's fine.
1358
01:05:15,290 --> 01:05:16,705
You sure the brown works?
1359
01:05:16,740 --> 01:05:18,190
I mean, I had a blue one on
when they snapped
1360
01:05:18,224 --> 01:05:19,294
this picture,
but they can't tell
1361
01:05:19,329 --> 01:05:20,606
'cause it's in black and white.
1362
01:05:21,987 --> 01:05:24,886
- Either -- either way..
- I don't want it to read black.
1363
01:05:24,921 --> 01:05:27,130
I mean, I don't want to
send the wrong message.
1364
01:05:27,164 --> 01:05:29,339
- To who, the judge?
- No, to everyone.
1365
01:05:29,373 --> 01:05:31,997
Next time they snap my picture,
it could be a magazine cover.
1366
01:05:32,031 --> 01:05:33,412
John, either one works fine.
1367
01:05:33,446 --> 01:05:35,276
'Cause it -- it'll be in color
if it's a magazine.
1368
01:05:35,310 --> 01:05:36,760
Hey!
1369
01:05:36,794 --> 01:05:38,693
You have to talk
to the children.
1370
01:05:48,047 --> 01:05:50,532
Kathryn. Come and give
Mommy a hug, sweetie.
1371
01:05:50,567 --> 01:05:52,120
She seems pretty upset.
1372
01:05:55,813 --> 01:05:58,161
Zach, I know you're worried
1373
01:05:58,195 --> 01:06:00,335
but I need you pulling for
your old man to win this thing
1374
01:06:00,370 --> 01:06:01,405
alright?
1375
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,511
I just wanna go back
to New Jersey.
1376
01:06:03,545 --> 01:06:05,962
So do I. And we will
as soon as this thing is over.
1377
01:06:05,996 --> 01:06:08,136
Alright? Zach, look at me.
1378
01:06:09,620 --> 01:06:11,622
Your dad's a winner, right?
1379
01:06:15,972 --> 01:06:19,285
For me it's a double-edged sword
that I walk all the time.
1380
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,701
The evidence is there
that they set him up..
1381
01:06:24,532 --> 01:06:27,397
...but common sense
and reality tells me
1382
01:06:27,431 --> 01:06:29,261
that he's not a fuckin' idiot.
1383
01:06:29,295 --> 01:06:30,296
That he must have known
1384
01:06:30,331 --> 01:06:31,815
somethin' was fucked up
at some time.
1385
01:06:31,849 --> 01:06:32,919
Come here, sweetie.
1386
01:06:32,954 --> 01:06:34,956
I'm gonna wear
the blue tie, okay?
1387
01:06:34,991 --> 01:06:36,233
So, it's like, you know,
how the fuck
1388
01:06:36,268 --> 01:06:38,546
could you put our family
in jeopardy like that?
1389
01:06:40,065 --> 01:06:42,584
Twenty-one days into the
John DeLorean cocaine trial
1390
01:06:42,619 --> 01:06:44,138
defense attorney
Howard Weitzman says
1391
01:06:44,172 --> 01:06:46,278
there's no question that
John DeLorean can be seen
1392
01:06:46,312 --> 01:06:48,521
and heard on tape
talking about narcotics.
1393
01:06:48,556 --> 01:06:49,971
But he says, "The question is
1394
01:06:50,006 --> 01:06:51,490
"how far can the government go
1395
01:06:51,524 --> 01:06:54,458
in dangling a lure
in front of a desperate man?"
1396
01:06:54,493 --> 01:06:56,978
When I look back at this case
1397
01:06:57,013 --> 01:06:59,015
Hoffman had said if you give me
1398
01:06:59,049 --> 01:07:00,913
you know, a million and a half
two million dollars
1399
01:07:00,947 --> 01:07:02,984
three million dollars,
I can get you ten
1400
01:07:03,019 --> 01:07:05,297
fifteen, twenty million
dollars back.
1401
01:07:05,331 --> 01:07:06,643
John didn't have the money.
1402
01:07:06,677 --> 01:07:08,852
And logic would tell you
1403
01:07:08,886 --> 01:07:11,268
that that's the end
of the investigation.
1404
01:07:23,936 --> 01:07:25,696
Are you sure
he can't put any cash in?
1405
01:07:27,181 --> 01:07:30,874
At this point, I don't think
DeLorean can scrounge 20Gs
1406
01:07:30,908 --> 01:07:32,324
let alone two million.
1407
01:07:34,188 --> 01:07:36,431
Listen, I've been poring
through all these tapes
1408
01:07:36,466 --> 01:07:37,743
and I just don't think
we have him yet.
1409
01:07:39,089 --> 01:07:40,711
I think he's got it
in collateral.
1410
01:07:40,746 --> 01:07:43,852
Okay, but if collateral's
all we get
1411
01:07:43,887 --> 01:07:45,820
then it's got to equal
at least that much.
1412
01:07:47,684 --> 01:07:49,444
And -- and listen to me.
1413
01:07:49,479 --> 01:07:51,446
We have got to get it on tape.
1414
01:07:51,481 --> 01:07:53,138
This is my first rodeo, Jerry.
1415
01:07:53,172 --> 01:07:55,278
I know how it works.
1416
01:07:55,312 --> 01:07:57,107
I'm just, I'm just saying
un -- until now
1417
01:07:57,142 --> 01:07:58,350
he -- he's been
real careful about
1418
01:07:58,384 --> 01:08:02,112
how he parses
all his words, so..
1419
01:08:02,147 --> 01:08:04,666
Well, it's different
than a phone call now.
1420
01:08:04,701 --> 01:08:06,530
He's about to walk
into a real bank.
1421
01:08:06,565 --> 01:08:08,394
He knows your IC is legit.
1422
01:08:08,429 --> 01:08:10,500
So he won't for one second
think that I'm not.
1423
01:08:10,534 --> 01:08:13,537
Still, the more drug references
you can slip in, the better.
1424
01:08:13,572 --> 01:08:15,850
We got this, Jerry.
1425
01:08:20,199 --> 01:08:21,442
Throughout the entire thing
1426
01:08:21,476 --> 01:08:23,651
they had to continue
changing the script.
1427
01:08:23,685 --> 01:08:25,860
It wasn't going to be,
"Here's the two million dollars.
1428
01:08:25,894 --> 01:08:28,449
Here's the drug money back."
Boom, you're arrested.
1429
01:08:28,483 --> 01:08:30,692
So then it turned into
James Hoffman
1430
01:08:30,727 --> 01:08:32,349
the CI convincing him
1431
01:08:32,384 --> 01:08:34,593
"Hey, I know this
crooked banker."
1432
01:08:34,627 --> 01:08:37,285
- Hey, John.
- Hi, Jim.
1433
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:38,390
- Great to see.
- You too.
1434
01:08:38,424 --> 01:08:40,288
Have you been here
in this area before?
1435
01:08:40,323 --> 01:08:41,979
I've been in San Jose, uh..
1436
01:08:42,014 --> 01:08:43,636
And, of course, San Francisco.
1437
01:08:43,671 --> 01:08:45,880
The DeLorean case
was just one of other cases
1438
01:08:45,914 --> 01:08:48,572
that I was involved in from
the standpoint of being a
1439
01:08:48,607 --> 01:08:51,092
an undercover operator
working at a bank.
1440
01:08:51,127 --> 01:08:54,060
So the bank provided
the perfect undercover front.
1441
01:08:54,095 --> 01:08:55,269
We finally, uh
1442
01:08:55,303 --> 01:08:58,272
shall we say, got together
after all this time.
1443
01:08:58,306 --> 01:09:00,619
Yeah, after so many
conversations, right?
1444
01:09:00,653 --> 01:09:02,448
Can I get you a cup of coffee?
1445
01:09:02,483 --> 01:09:04,554
At this point of the story
John's not gonna put
1446
01:09:04,588 --> 01:09:06,314
any actual money into the game.
1447
01:09:06,349 --> 01:09:08,420
He can potentially
put up collateral.
1448
01:09:08,454 --> 01:09:12,113
Ben Tisa is the one
that's supposed to now set up
1449
01:09:12,148 --> 01:09:14,253
an alternative situation
for John.
1450
01:09:23,849 --> 01:09:27,715
Uh, we had a particular
suspect, his name was Hetrick
1451
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:31,684
uh, who was a pilot who flew
cocaine in from Colombia.
1452
01:09:31,719 --> 01:09:34,066
This particular individual
has been very successful
1453
01:09:34,100 --> 01:09:35,447
in his business, okay?
1454
01:09:35,481 --> 01:09:36,862
So, the idea came in.
1455
01:09:36,896 --> 01:09:39,416
Well, maybe the dope dealer
would invest in
1456
01:09:39,451 --> 01:09:41,315
John DeLorean's company.
1457
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:42,799
Uh, John DeLorean being told
1458
01:09:42,833 --> 01:09:45,526
the money was going to come
from sale of cocaine.
1459
01:09:54,017 --> 01:09:59,229
Would it be possible, um,
to allow this gentleman to have, say a..
1460
01:10:05,235 --> 01:10:07,996
I see no reason why I couldn't
do it from my private company.
1461
01:10:08,031 --> 01:10:10,413
Great. That's great. That works.
1462
01:10:10,447 --> 01:10:12,863
In John's mind, once again
1463
01:10:12,898 --> 01:10:15,107
the genius at bending the rules
1464
01:10:15,141 --> 01:10:16,660
finding the little loophole.
1465
01:10:16,695 --> 01:10:18,179
Hey, I'll take this money
1466
01:10:18,214 --> 01:10:21,389
even if it comes
from drug -- drug folks.
1467
01:10:21,424 --> 01:10:23,184
But it's coming through
a legitimate bank.
1468
01:10:27,740 --> 01:10:29,570
Enter Morgan Hetrick.
1469
01:10:29,604 --> 01:10:32,055
He was somebody that was
flying in hundreds
1470
01:10:32,089 --> 01:10:34,851
and hundreds of pounds of
cocaine from South America.
1471
01:10:34,885 --> 01:10:37,440
So the government
felt that at that point
1472
01:10:37,474 --> 01:10:39,338
that was the best opportunity
1473
01:10:39,373 --> 01:10:42,997
to bring both John
and Hetrick down
1474
01:10:43,031 --> 01:10:45,206
is to merge the cases.
1475
01:10:45,241 --> 01:10:46,621
The government told
1476
01:10:46,656 --> 01:10:50,004
Hetrick that John had put in
two million dollars
1477
01:10:50,038 --> 01:10:52,524
and that he wanted to do
this drug deal with Hetrick.
1478
01:11:01,740 --> 01:11:04,087
And he was given an opportunity
1479
01:11:04,121 --> 01:11:07,401
to stay in the deal
without putting money in.
1480
01:11:07,435 --> 01:11:10,127
And, uh, uh, he took it.
1481
01:11:28,042 --> 01:11:30,286
I -- I -- I think it's a
great opportunity for me
1482
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:31,494
from that standpoint.
1483
01:11:31,528 --> 01:11:33,081
So in terms of the drug case
1484
01:11:33,116 --> 01:11:35,636
you've got hours
of phone conversations
1485
01:11:35,670 --> 01:11:38,535
hours of videotape showing John
1486
01:11:38,570 --> 01:11:42,436
with these drug dealers
and crooked bankers.
1487
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:43,644
Is the feed secure?
1488
01:11:44,921 --> 01:11:46,025
You sure
he's not gonna be able to
1489
01:11:46,060 --> 01:11:47,406
hear anything
through this wall?
1490
01:11:47,441 --> 01:11:50,029
John still hasn't given
the government anything.
1491
01:11:50,064 --> 01:11:52,722
So they have to introduce
this new character
1492
01:11:52,756 --> 01:11:54,551
this sort of mob
drug dealer guy.
1493
01:11:54,586 --> 01:11:55,897
Show time.
1494
01:11:55,932 --> 01:11:58,314
He's really gonna crank
the pressure up on John.
1495
01:12:09,394 --> 01:12:10,429
Okay.
1496
01:12:10,464 --> 01:12:13,984
When I meet him
at the hotel room
1497
01:12:14,019 --> 01:12:18,506
I would be the one that would
be handling the drugs.
1498
01:12:18,541 --> 01:12:21,095
All Jim had to do
was put it together
1499
01:12:21,129 --> 01:12:23,269
get a, uh, finder's fee
1500
01:12:23,304 --> 01:12:25,755
whatever, and me and my network
1501
01:12:25,789 --> 01:12:28,413
would be going out to
1502
01:12:28,447 --> 01:12:31,277
quadruple the,
uh, our investment.
1503
01:12:39,216 --> 01:12:41,495
I'm asking for what..
1504
01:12:41,529 --> 01:12:43,013
What're you putting up?
1505
01:12:43,048 --> 01:12:44,946
There's no more money from you.
1506
01:12:44,981 --> 01:12:46,465
There's no free lunch, either.
1507
01:12:54,715 --> 01:12:56,164
At this point of the story
1508
01:12:56,199 --> 01:12:58,857
each participant in this deal
is trying to outsmart
1509
01:12:58,891 --> 01:13:00,652
and outmaneuver
the other person
1510
01:13:00,686 --> 01:13:01,929
for their own gain.
1511
01:13:04,449 --> 01:13:07,037
John wants to get money
to save his company.
1512
01:13:07,072 --> 01:13:10,075
You've got Jim Hoffman who's
leeching off of the government.
1513
01:13:10,109 --> 01:13:13,492
He begins to enjoy
this lifestyle of working
1514
01:13:13,527 --> 01:13:15,632
with the feds.
1515
01:13:15,667 --> 01:13:18,670
And then the feds,
they're trying to have that big
1516
01:13:18,704 --> 01:13:21,914
big case for Reagan to
tout his war on drugs.
1517
01:13:21,949 --> 01:13:24,710
So everyone is hungry
for that one thing
1518
01:13:24,745 --> 01:13:26,125
that they want out of this.
1519
01:13:27,437 --> 01:13:30,129
When you analyze
a case like this
1520
01:13:30,164 --> 01:13:32,822
you realize,
wait, the informant
1521
01:13:32,856 --> 01:13:34,513
kind of created this
1522
01:13:34,548 --> 01:13:37,447
with the government working
with him and it didn't work.
1523
01:13:37,482 --> 01:13:41,175
So they went to a savings
and loan, a legitimate bank
1524
01:13:41,209 --> 01:13:43,246
got them to let them
use the premises
1525
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,766
you know,
like the set in a movie.
1526
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,045
Phase three, they put John
together with Morgan Hetrick
1527
01:13:49,079 --> 01:13:53,083
a legitimate, by legitimate,
I mean a real smuggler.
1528
01:13:53,118 --> 01:13:56,846
Then they bring in the DEA.
1529
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:00,712
And John Valestra becomes
kind of a mafioso.
1530
01:14:00,746 --> 01:14:02,679
And what they
finally came up with
1531
01:14:02,714 --> 01:14:04,025
so John would get his ten
1532
01:14:04,060 --> 01:14:05,993
fifteen,
twenty million dollars
1533
01:14:06,027 --> 01:14:08,789
is they got him to
put up stock certificates.
1534
01:14:19,696 --> 01:14:23,459
John with his lawyers,
corporate lawyer, gives them
1535
01:14:23,493 --> 01:14:27,601
worthless DeLorean stock
in a defunct company
1536
01:14:27,635 --> 01:14:29,844
that had no assets.
1537
01:14:29,879 --> 01:14:31,225
Worthless paper.
1538
01:14:32,951 --> 01:14:36,575
And the con was reversed
in John's mind.
1539
01:14:36,610 --> 01:14:39,026
So he's putting up zero
1540
01:14:39,060 --> 01:14:42,788
Mr. Hetrick, the smuggler
goes and gets the cocaine.
1541
01:14:42,823 --> 01:14:45,135
And then they call DeLorean..
1542
01:14:45,170 --> 01:14:46,551
You're still on the East Coast?
1543
01:14:46,585 --> 01:14:49,174
I'm on the East Coast and
I can do anything you want.
1544
01:14:49,208 --> 01:14:51,832
Uh, it might be conducive, um..
1545
01:14:53,730 --> 01:14:57,354
...to you being close by
when this thing goes down..
1546
01:14:57,389 --> 01:15:00,323
And they say to him,
"Come to Los Angeles
1547
01:15:00,357 --> 01:15:03,326
we have ten million dollars
for you. Come get your money."
1548
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,779
Maybe we'll pop a, uh,
a bottle of champagne someplace.
1549
01:15:07,813 --> 01:15:09,297
That would be wonderful.
1550
01:15:09,332 --> 01:15:10,885
And sit back and relax.
1551
01:15:14,751 --> 01:15:16,546
And DeLorean
1552
01:15:16,581 --> 01:15:17,996
who can only think about
1553
01:15:18,030 --> 01:15:20,861
"I gotta get the money
to the company," comes to LA.
1554
01:15:23,139 --> 01:15:27,557
And the government picked him
up, took him to a hotel room
1555
01:15:27,592 --> 01:15:32,389
opened a bottle of champagne,
toasted to their success.
1556
01:15:35,461 --> 01:15:37,187
And one of the agents said
1557
01:15:37,222 --> 01:15:40,363
"Now, John, here's the fruits
of our efforts."
1558
01:15:40,397 --> 01:15:42,158
So John, what we're
talking about..
1559
01:15:43,677 --> 01:15:44,919
It's gonna be, uh..
1560
01:15:48,474 --> 01:15:52,340
And went to the closet,
brought out the suitcase of cocaine
1561
01:15:52,375 --> 01:15:53,445
and opened it up.
1562
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:58,588
Between this
and the other half..
1563
01:15:58,623 --> 01:16:00,107
...it's gonna generate about
four and a half
1564
01:16:00,141 --> 01:16:02,074
not less than four
and a half mil.
1565
01:16:07,804 --> 01:16:09,668
This is better than in gold.
1566
01:16:09,703 --> 01:16:12,291
Gold weighs more than that,
for God's sakes.
1567
01:16:13,983 --> 01:16:15,329
That's when DeLorean said
1568
01:16:15,363 --> 01:16:17,193
"This is like gold.
This is better than gold."
1569
01:16:17,227 --> 01:16:18,919
This is better than gold.
1570
01:16:18,953 --> 01:16:22,094
Gold weighs more than that,
for God's sakes.
1571
01:16:22,129 --> 01:16:25,028
Classic line on that tape.
1572
01:16:25,063 --> 01:16:26,823
Hi, John..
1573
01:16:26,858 --> 01:16:28,031
Jerry West.
1574
01:16:28,066 --> 01:16:30,309
I'm with the FBI.
1575
01:16:30,344 --> 01:16:32,070
And -- and then
he was arrested.
1576
01:16:32,104 --> 01:16:35,798
So he wasn't gonna
take the drugs.
1577
01:16:35,832 --> 01:16:37,282
He didn't get
the ten million dollars.
1578
01:16:37,316 --> 01:16:38,628
Will you stand up, sir?
1579
01:16:38,663 --> 01:16:40,009
And he never was supposed
to take the drugs.
1580
01:16:40,043 --> 01:16:41,493
He was only supposed to
get the money.
1581
01:16:44,013 --> 01:16:47,879
So why would they bring the
drugs out and show them to him?
1582
01:16:47,913 --> 01:16:49,639
And the answer is
pretty simple.
1583
01:16:49,674 --> 01:16:51,848
Well, if you're dealing
with twelve laypeople
1584
01:16:51,883 --> 01:16:53,609
in the jury box
1585
01:16:53,643 --> 01:16:56,370
you're gonna make them think
this was all part of the deal.
1586
01:17:02,928 --> 01:17:05,862
John DeLorean says
it's all in God's hands.
1587
01:17:05,897 --> 01:17:07,899
That was his reaction
today when six men
1588
01:17:07,933 --> 01:17:10,522
and six women began
deliberating his case.
1589
01:17:10,556 --> 01:17:12,041
The jurors,
who appeared relaxed
1590
01:17:12,075 --> 01:17:13,663
when they arrived
for court today
1591
01:17:13,698 --> 01:17:16,114
began their deliberations
shortly before 10:00 a.m.
1592
01:17:16,148 --> 01:17:17,598
Los Angeles time.
1593
01:17:17,633 --> 01:17:20,428
Outside court, John DeLorean's
attorney, Howard Weitzman
1594
01:17:20,463 --> 01:17:22,292
expressed the mood
on the defense side.
1595
01:17:22,327 --> 01:17:25,710
This is a very difficult time
when a case goes to the jury
1596
01:17:25,744 --> 01:17:28,920
'cause you never really
know what they're thinking
1597
01:17:28,954 --> 01:17:30,093
or what they're interested in.
1598
01:17:30,128 --> 01:17:32,682
These are very hard cases
1599
01:17:32,717 --> 01:17:35,512
and it requires
a unanimous verdict.
1600
01:17:35,547 --> 01:17:36,962
If he got convicted
1601
01:17:36,997 --> 01:17:39,655
he would have received a
pretty stiff prison sentence
1602
01:17:39,689 --> 01:17:40,897
for sure.
1603
01:17:40,932 --> 01:17:44,556
And the government was very
confident in their case.
1604
01:17:44,590 --> 01:17:46,765
Throughout the case
the DeLorean defense
1605
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,698
has hammered away
at the tactics used
1606
01:17:48,733 --> 01:17:51,011
by federal agents in their
undercover investigation
1607
01:17:51,045 --> 01:17:52,529
of John DeLorean.
1608
01:17:52,564 --> 01:17:55,153
Weitzman asked for acquittal
saying, "The government is
1609
01:17:55,187 --> 01:17:57,258
in a sense on trial here."
1610
01:17:57,293 --> 01:18:00,227
We did not believe
1611
01:18:00,261 --> 01:18:03,437
there was an entrapment
defense in this case.
1612
01:18:03,471 --> 01:18:05,853
That was a throwaway defense.
1613
01:18:05,888 --> 01:18:08,373
After the long trial,
DeLorean's lawyer said
1614
01:18:08,407 --> 01:18:11,065
he'll be stunned whichever
way the jury votes.
1615
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:13,240
John DeLorean put it
more simply.
1616
01:18:13,274 --> 01:18:14,931
John, how do you feel?
1617
01:18:14,966 --> 01:18:17,071
It's in the hands of the Lord.
1618
01:18:36,435 --> 01:18:39,576
In the matter of the United
States versus John Z. DeLorean
1619
01:18:39,611 --> 01:18:41,544
the jury finds the defendant..
1620
01:18:43,511 --> 01:18:46,722
...not guilty
on all eight counts.
1621
01:18:48,585 --> 01:18:50,104
Praise the Lord!
1622
01:18:54,315 --> 01:18:55,731
Howard.
1623
01:18:55,765 --> 01:18:58,078
Well done, Howard. Well done.
And thank you.
1624
01:19:32,043 --> 01:19:33,458
Come on, boys.
1625
01:19:33,492 --> 01:19:36,806
Back up. Back up.
We got a guest.
1626
01:19:36,841 --> 01:19:38,152
Yeah!
1627
01:19:40,189 --> 01:19:42,398
What's up, buddy?
Ah, fucker.
1628
01:19:42,432 --> 01:19:43,917
Water everywhere.
1629
01:19:43,951 --> 01:19:45,711
Sit. You guys gonna chill?
1630
01:19:45,746 --> 01:19:46,712
Sit.
1631
01:19:46,747 --> 01:19:49,750
Uh, yeah, this is my, uh..
1632
01:19:49,785 --> 01:19:51,165
Uh, this is where I live.
1633
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,202
You know, so.
1634
01:19:53,236 --> 01:19:56,170
It's just this, uh,
it's a shitty little apartment.
1635
01:19:56,205 --> 01:19:58,345
You know, the paint's
fuckin' peeling, uh..
1636
01:19:58,379 --> 01:20:01,037
And, if you find my housekeeper,
tell her she's fired
1637
01:20:01,072 --> 01:20:02,176
'cause she doesn't
do a good job
1638
01:20:02,211 --> 01:20:04,247
of cleaning
the fuckin' place but..
1639
01:20:04,282 --> 01:20:07,319
So it's kinda,
you know, like, uh..
1640
01:20:07,354 --> 01:20:08,838
I don't, you guys,
I don't know if you've seen
1641
01:20:08,873 --> 01:20:10,529
the apartment
or any of that stuff
1642
01:20:10,564 --> 01:20:14,292
but when people know
who I am and who my family is
1643
01:20:14,326 --> 01:20:15,845
then they come over,
they're like
1644
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:17,502
"What the fuck?"
1645
01:20:19,193 --> 01:20:20,816
You know, in, even today
1646
01:20:20,850 --> 01:20:23,094
I'll see the car
going down the street
1647
01:20:23,128 --> 01:20:25,682
and I'm just like,
"It's just fuckin' weird, man."
1648
01:20:27,132 --> 01:20:30,066
For me there's a lot behind
the meaning of that car
1649
01:20:30,101 --> 01:20:32,310
not just my family name on it
1650
01:20:32,344 --> 01:20:35,865
but what that fuckin' car
did to our family.
1651
01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:38,247
Are you surprised that,
um, a feature film hasn't
1652
01:20:38,281 --> 01:20:40,697
been made about your,
your dad and his life?
1653
01:20:40,732 --> 01:20:42,872
Yeah. Yeah.
1654
01:20:42,907 --> 01:20:45,150
I mean, it's got all the good
shit in it. It's got cocaine.
1655
01:20:45,185 --> 01:20:48,291
It's got fuckin' hot chicks.
It's got sports cars.
1656
01:20:48,326 --> 01:20:51,501
It's got fuckin',
you know, war torn.
1657
01:20:51,536 --> 01:20:53,572
You know, bombed out
buildings overseas.
1658
01:20:53,607 --> 01:20:55,989
It's got fucking Margaret
Thatcher, Ronald Reagan
1659
01:20:56,023 --> 01:20:59,199
the war on drugs.
You got FBI agents.
1660
01:20:59,233 --> 01:21:03,272
You got, you know,
fuckin' hardcore drug dealers
1661
01:21:03,306 --> 01:21:04,514
but..
1662
01:21:07,034 --> 01:21:11,176
...my fear with Hollywood is
1663
01:21:11,211 --> 01:21:13,696
they're gonna end it
with him
1664
01:21:13,730 --> 01:21:16,423
coming out of the courthouse
with Cristina.
1665
01:21:16,457 --> 01:21:17,700
"Whoo-hoo,
fucking acquittal!
1666
01:21:17,734 --> 01:21:21,083
Yeah, yeah, yeah!"
Fucking credits. You know?
1667
01:21:21,117 --> 01:21:24,155
While that coming out
of the courthouse, you know
1668
01:21:24,189 --> 01:21:26,467
ticker tape parade shit
is real..
1669
01:21:28,297 --> 01:21:29,539
Look at what it cost him.
1670
01:21:30,886 --> 01:21:34,130
The sting operation fell
through. You were acquitted.
1671
01:21:34,165 --> 01:21:36,339
Um, your wife Cristina
stood by you
1672
01:21:36,374 --> 01:21:38,203
throughout the entire trial
1673
01:21:38,238 --> 01:21:39,411
and then
1674
01:21:39,446 --> 01:21:42,380
not but several weeks later,
left you.
1675
01:21:42,414 --> 01:21:44,623
- Several days later.
- Ah.
1676
01:21:44,658 --> 01:21:47,937
You claim to have been shocked
that your wife Cristina
1677
01:21:47,972 --> 01:21:49,905
announced her intentions
to divorce you
1678
01:21:49,939 --> 01:21:51,630
shortly after the trial.
1679
01:21:51,665 --> 01:21:55,358
She appeared on this program,
spoke, uh, of you
1680
01:21:55,393 --> 01:21:57,878
and, uh, most wifely of terms.
1681
01:21:57,913 --> 01:21:59,052
Here's what she said.
1682
01:21:59,086 --> 01:22:01,744
Can't make a judgment right now.
It's not fair.
1683
01:22:01,778 --> 01:22:04,643
It's not fair for, for John
and it's not fair for you either
1684
01:22:04,678 --> 01:22:06,818
because if you were in
a situation like this
1685
01:22:06,852 --> 01:22:08,302
or any one of your loved ones
1686
01:22:08,337 --> 01:22:10,718
you -- you will find yourself
defending them
1687
01:22:10,753 --> 01:22:13,929
as ardently as
I'm doing with John.
1688
01:22:13,963 --> 01:22:15,689
That must make you feel
at the very least
1689
01:22:15,723 --> 01:22:16,862
mixed to see that.
1690
01:22:16,897 --> 01:22:18,036
It makes you cry, does it?
1691
01:22:18,071 --> 01:22:21,005
Yeah, it's pretty,
uh, pretty painful.
1692
01:22:21,039 --> 01:22:23,766
At the time,
if I was my mom
1693
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,251
the carpet just got pulled
out from underneath me.
1694
01:22:26,286 --> 01:22:27,770
She's 31 years old, man.
1695
01:22:27,804 --> 01:22:29,875
She's still got another
eight, nine, ten
1696
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:32,878
12 years of being
top dog.
1697
01:22:32,913 --> 01:22:35,916
And that whole fuckin' career
pulled out from underneath you.
1698
01:22:35,951 --> 01:22:38,091
Your whole career
has fallen apart.
1699
01:22:38,125 --> 01:22:40,403
I was at the top of
my modeling profession.
1700
01:22:40,438 --> 01:22:42,647
I've been doing it for 20 years.
1701
01:22:42,681 --> 01:22:44,890
The last 15 years I've been at
the very top of it
1702
01:22:44,925 --> 01:22:46,720
commanding top money.
1703
01:22:46,754 --> 01:22:50,724
And this is July and since
January I've had one booking
1704
01:22:50,758 --> 01:22:53,037
and I've made $105.
1705
01:22:53,071 --> 01:22:56,281
And no one will have anything
to do with me or my name.
1706
01:22:56,316 --> 01:22:57,420
Not at all.
1707
01:22:59,077 --> 01:23:02,322
I try not to ask my mom
about my dad.
1708
01:23:02,356 --> 01:23:06,257
Not because I think that she
doesn't have any good memories.
1709
01:23:06,291 --> 01:23:08,811
More because again
1710
01:23:08,845 --> 01:23:11,331
I don't want to
1711
01:23:11,365 --> 01:23:14,920
draw up any,
any painful ones.
1712
01:23:14,955 --> 01:23:17,923
It was terrible and tragic
what she had to go through.
1713
01:23:17,958 --> 01:23:21,720
So, she had to do something
different with her life.
1714
01:23:21,755 --> 01:23:23,688
She had to leave
all that behind.
1715
01:23:23,722 --> 01:23:26,829
Shortly after all of that
she had her show, AM LA.
1716
01:23:26,863 --> 01:23:29,176
She defined who she was.
1717
01:23:29,211 --> 01:23:31,351
She rebuilt her life
and she rebuilt it in
1718
01:23:31,385 --> 01:23:33,180
a fantastic way.
1719
01:23:33,215 --> 01:23:35,493
And credit to her, I get it.
I understand it.
1720
01:23:35,527 --> 01:23:38,013
That, you know,
you're trying to keep a roof
1721
01:23:38,047 --> 01:23:40,498
and keep a normal
1722
01:23:40,532 --> 01:23:43,121
stable household
for your kids.
1723
01:23:45,330 --> 01:23:47,263
Guess what?
It's fuckin' gone.
1724
01:23:49,196 --> 01:23:53,269
Stability and sanity left the
fuckin' house two years ago
1725
01:23:53,304 --> 01:23:54,960
when he got arrested.
1726
01:23:57,135 --> 01:23:59,931
I had to do an art project
for school
1727
01:23:59,965 --> 01:24:02,002
and we had to do appropriation.
1728
01:24:02,037 --> 01:24:05,143
So I appropriated
this painting.
1729
01:24:05,178 --> 01:24:08,491
On this side,
there's photographs of
1730
01:24:08,526 --> 01:24:10,079
everything perfect.
1731
01:24:10,114 --> 01:24:12,426
And as it goes on
1732
01:24:12,461 --> 01:24:16,292
I started to put in
the articles
1733
01:24:16,327 --> 01:24:20,434
from this perfect life
to this destroyed life.
1734
01:24:20,469 --> 01:24:23,023
And on the bumper, it says,
"Destroy my childhood"
1735
01:24:23,058 --> 01:24:24,335
for DMC.
1736
01:24:29,650 --> 01:24:31,894
- Alright, man. You good?
- Uh, yes.
1737
01:24:31,928 --> 01:24:35,070
- We get any last looks on Alec?
- We're ready to go.
1738
01:24:35,104 --> 01:24:37,796
That's fine. Let's go.
Let's shoot it.
1739
01:24:37,831 --> 01:24:42,974
I'd love to figure out
what's the actual turning point?
1740
01:24:43,008 --> 01:24:44,665
When does DeLorean
get to a point
1741
01:24:44,700 --> 01:24:47,392
where he could have
turned back.
1742
01:24:47,427 --> 01:24:49,843
And maybe avoided everything?
1743
01:24:49,877 --> 01:24:53,571
And whether he went on to
complete the car project or not
1744
01:24:53,605 --> 01:24:55,745
he would have lived
to fight another battle.
1745
01:24:55,780 --> 01:24:58,058
You know, and,
or try another
1746
01:24:58,093 --> 01:24:59,887
iteration of all that.
1747
01:24:59,922 --> 01:25:02,476
And probably succeeded,
'cause he's a very clever guy.
1748
01:25:02,511 --> 01:25:05,134
What's that moment where you
could sit there and go
1749
01:25:05,169 --> 01:25:06,687
too late?
1750
01:25:06,722 --> 01:25:10,208
Is it the cocaine deal itself?
Or is it before that?
1751
01:25:10,243 --> 01:25:12,003
Is it a series of things?
1752
01:25:12,037 --> 01:25:15,075
Is it a period of time
where he's doing a few things?
1753
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:17,491
When does John
1754
01:25:17,526 --> 01:25:20,391
put in all the chips on
the table and he loses?
1755
01:25:27,122 --> 01:25:30,159
I saw the drug trial
as a sideshow.
1756
01:25:30,194 --> 01:25:33,162
To me much more substantial
1757
01:25:33,197 --> 01:25:36,407
was how DeLorean was
handling the money
1758
01:25:36,441 --> 01:25:39,755
that he had gotten to build
the car in Northern Ireland.
1759
01:25:41,619 --> 01:25:43,828
You know,
every piece of paper tells a story
1760
01:25:43,862 --> 01:25:46,210
of what people were doing
and how they were doing it.
1761
01:25:46,244 --> 01:25:49,178
Well, this transaction happened
before this transaction
1762
01:25:49,213 --> 01:25:51,007
and that led to this
transaction.
1763
01:25:51,042 --> 01:25:53,769
I was brought in to
analyze the affairs of
1764
01:25:53,803 --> 01:25:56,772
DeLorean Motor Company
and go deep into its affairs
1765
01:25:56,806 --> 01:25:59,395
its activities
and its transactions.
1766
01:25:59,430 --> 01:26:00,983
We didn't really understand
that at first,
1767
01:26:01,017 --> 01:26:03,054
but it turned out to be
the critical moment
1768
01:26:03,088 --> 01:26:06,161
in untangling
the affairs of John DeLorean.
1769
01:26:06,195 --> 01:26:08,818
And as it became clear
you start to see yet again
1770
01:26:08,853 --> 01:26:10,441
another side of John.
1771
01:26:12,167 --> 01:26:14,824
When the company was developing
in those heady days of
1772
01:26:14,859 --> 01:26:17,482
excitement and energy around
the company around John
1773
01:26:17,517 --> 01:26:19,967
investors all wanted
to get a piece of it.
1774
01:26:20,002 --> 01:26:22,280
You know, in -- in trying to
raise all the capital
1775
01:26:22,315 --> 01:26:24,317
John was really
selling himself.
1776
01:26:24,351 --> 01:26:25,904
He was selling his image.
1777
01:26:25,939 --> 01:26:28,079
Ah, you know, the slogan
"Live the Dream"
1778
01:26:28,113 --> 01:26:30,426
that's what people were
supposedly buying into
1779
01:26:30,461 --> 01:26:32,221
when they invested
in his company.
1780
01:26:32,256 --> 01:26:35,017
And John sensing that interest
and wanting to raise money
1781
01:26:35,051 --> 01:26:37,295
if it was available
was able to raise
1782
01:26:37,330 --> 01:26:39,021
seventeen and a half
million dollars
1783
01:26:39,055 --> 01:26:41,126
for the development of
the vehicle.
1784
01:26:41,161 --> 01:26:43,681
But as it turns out,
the British government had also
1785
01:26:43,715 --> 01:26:45,510
put up enough money by then
1786
01:26:45,545 --> 01:26:47,374
that their funds were
actually being used
1787
01:26:47,409 --> 01:26:49,376
to pay for the development
of the vehicle.
1788
01:26:49,411 --> 01:26:53,000
And therefore this money wasn't
needed so much at that point.
1789
01:26:53,035 --> 01:26:56,418
And John, seeing this pot of
money, couldn't resist.
1790
01:26:56,452 --> 01:26:58,937
Federal investigators
and bankruptcy lawyers say
1791
01:26:58,972 --> 01:27:02,147
they have uncovered
another secret DeLorean deal.
1792
01:27:02,182 --> 01:27:05,254
This one arranged at a hotel
in Geneva, Switzerland
1793
01:27:05,289 --> 01:27:08,326
long before
the alleged drug deal.
1794
01:27:08,361 --> 01:27:11,847
A deal had been struck
in Switzerland
1795
01:27:11,881 --> 01:27:14,953
with Colin Chapman,
the chairman of Lotus
1796
01:27:14,988 --> 01:27:17,439
and the mysterious organization
1797
01:27:17,473 --> 01:27:20,511
called GPD Services.
1798
01:27:20,545 --> 01:27:22,098
And what's interesting
1799
01:27:22,133 --> 01:27:24,825
becomes very clear that Bill
Collins was onto something
1800
01:27:24,860 --> 01:27:27,587
several years earlier
when he was analyzing
1801
01:27:27,621 --> 01:27:29,692
the DeLorean-Lotus agreement.
1802
01:27:29,727 --> 01:27:32,281
When I looked at the numbers
that they put together
1803
01:27:32,316 --> 01:27:34,594
I said to John,
"What's the deal?"
1804
01:27:34,628 --> 01:27:35,836
GPD?
1805
01:27:35,871 --> 01:27:37,113
I've never even heard of it.
1806
01:27:37,148 --> 01:27:38,701
It just seems like
you're paying twice
1807
01:27:38,736 --> 01:27:40,116
for the same thing, John.
1808
01:27:40,151 --> 01:27:41,773
Obviously looking back
on it now
1809
01:27:41,808 --> 01:27:43,844
there were things going on
behind the scene.
1810
01:27:43,879 --> 01:27:47,192
John and Chapman were
trying to figure out
1811
01:27:47,227 --> 01:27:50,023
the, uh, game
they were playing with GPD
1812
01:27:50,057 --> 01:27:52,025
and trying to get various..
1813
01:27:52,059 --> 01:27:55,097
...uh, arrangements
put together.
1814
01:27:55,131 --> 01:27:58,721
In the scene we shot yesterday,
he hangs up with Collins.
1815
01:27:58,756 --> 01:28:01,517
And everybody who's good
1816
01:28:01,552 --> 01:28:03,416
they've all got to go.
You know?
1817
01:28:03,450 --> 01:28:06,867
Because their goodness
becomes useless to John.
1818
01:28:06,902 --> 01:28:09,111
You know, they just
don't do me any good.
1819
01:28:09,145 --> 01:28:12,079
Apart from denying that
he had any of the GPD money
1820
01:28:12,114 --> 01:28:15,151
John DeLorean is reluctant
to discuss GPD.
1821
01:28:15,186 --> 01:28:17,671
Can you give that an answer
now to those allegations
1822
01:28:17,706 --> 01:28:19,949
about the missing $17 million?
1823
01:28:24,126 --> 01:28:27,094
So now we fast forward
into the investigation
1824
01:28:27,129 --> 01:28:30,097
and we start peeling back
the layers of GPD.
1825
01:28:30,132 --> 01:28:33,342
GPD is supposedly
1826
01:28:33,377 --> 01:28:35,310
this middleman company
1827
01:28:35,344 --> 01:28:40,176
to deliver certain other
engineering services.
1828
01:28:40,211 --> 01:28:44,974
In truth,
it had no other engineers.
1829
01:28:45,009 --> 01:28:47,183
It had, it had no facilities
1830
01:28:47,218 --> 01:28:49,807
to deliver these
engineering services.
1831
01:28:49,841 --> 01:28:52,913
GPD was a mailbox.
1832
01:28:52,948 --> 01:28:55,675
GPD is a phony,
a shell company
1833
01:28:55,709 --> 01:28:58,574
nothing more than a post office
box in a neighborhood branch
1834
01:28:58,609 --> 01:29:00,058
of the Geneva Post Office.
1835
01:29:00,093 --> 01:29:03,476
Post Office Box 33.
1836
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:06,030
It turns out,
John made a deal with
1837
01:29:06,064 --> 01:29:09,102
Colin Chapman at Lotus Cars
that he would send
1838
01:29:09,136 --> 01:29:11,553
the seventeen and a half
million dollars from investors
1839
01:29:11,587 --> 01:29:15,246
into GPD and then Colin
took the money from there
1840
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:19,181
funneled it into European bank
accounts, split it with John.
1841
01:29:19,215 --> 01:29:20,872
John then maneuvered
that money
1842
01:29:20,907 --> 01:29:23,530
back to his own accounts
in the United States
1843
01:29:23,565 --> 01:29:25,705
therefore converting
the investor money
1844
01:29:25,739 --> 01:29:27,362
into his own money.
1845
01:29:31,227 --> 01:29:34,334
I think there's a real
fascinating allegory here.
1846
01:29:34,369 --> 01:29:36,854
You did sell your soul,
John DeLorean.
1847
01:29:36,888 --> 01:29:40,064
You sold it for the greater
glory of John DeLorean
1848
01:29:40,098 --> 01:29:42,135
who was going to whip
General Motors and all these
1849
01:29:42,169 --> 01:29:44,206
multibillion dollar,
multinational companies
1850
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:45,828
with your own dream car.
1851
01:29:45,863 --> 01:29:48,762
And in that vision,
not only did you jeopardize
1852
01:29:48,797 --> 01:29:50,350
the well-being of your family
1853
01:29:50,385 --> 01:29:52,421
you've risked yourself
for a jail term
1854
01:29:52,456 --> 01:29:54,285
got off because
the government blew it.
1855
01:29:54,319 --> 01:29:56,149
Now we have other indictments
1856
01:29:56,183 --> 01:29:59,946
which, which indicate that
it's possible that, that
1857
01:29:59,980 --> 01:30:02,776
your, that your fatigue
and your egomania
1858
01:30:02,811 --> 01:30:05,710
have forced you to use money
for your own purpose rather than
1859
01:30:05,745 --> 01:30:07,643
the original intent of
the investors.
1860
01:30:07,678 --> 01:30:10,853
That's what seems to be
most apparent to anybody
1861
01:30:10,888 --> 01:30:13,649
who gives a cursory review
of the evidence in this case.
1862
01:30:13,684 --> 01:30:15,755
Well, as I said early on
1863
01:30:15,789 --> 01:30:18,447
I think that we will prove
conclusively
1864
01:30:18,482 --> 01:30:21,899
that every single cent was
legitimately and honestly
1865
01:30:21,933 --> 01:30:26,006
uh, come by and that all these
charges are totally false.
1866
01:30:28,733 --> 01:30:32,081
So, a -- as these questions
are being brought up
1867
01:30:32,116 --> 01:30:35,464
and John is preparing to have
to answer these questions
1868
01:30:35,499 --> 01:30:38,225
uh, he needed to show
some sort of proof
1869
01:30:38,260 --> 01:30:40,849
that made the deal
not look shady.
1870
01:30:40,883 --> 01:30:43,299
And that proof was
actually a loan letter
1871
01:30:43,334 --> 01:30:46,406
from GPD Services
and a paper trail
1872
01:30:46,441 --> 01:30:49,305
that GPD services
was a loan to him
1873
01:30:49,340 --> 01:30:51,135
and that he still had
several years before
1874
01:30:51,169 --> 01:30:53,137
he had to pay back that loan.
1875
01:30:53,171 --> 01:30:55,277
He puts together
these documents
1876
01:30:55,311 --> 01:30:58,591
that only he and one other
person would be privy to
1877
01:30:58,625 --> 01:31:00,869
and that being Colin Chapman
from Lotus.
1878
01:31:00,903 --> 01:31:04,562
Well, several years earlier,
Colin Chapman dropped dead
1879
01:31:04,597 --> 01:31:05,598
of a heart attack.
1880
01:31:05,632 --> 01:31:07,462
And the only other person
1881
01:31:07,496 --> 01:31:08,532
in, you know
1882
01:31:08,566 --> 01:31:11,466
this little transaction
was John.
1883
01:31:11,500 --> 01:31:13,019
So while I was busy
studying the records
1884
01:31:13,053 --> 01:31:15,055
and looking at
financial transactions
1885
01:31:15,090 --> 01:31:18,265
the lawyers were busy
talking to Cristina Ferrare.
1886
01:31:18,300 --> 01:31:21,510
Cristina testified under oath
1887
01:31:21,545 --> 01:31:23,857
that she saw John
1888
01:31:23,892 --> 01:31:26,101
working in a large closet
1889
01:31:26,135 --> 01:31:29,656
with latex gloves on
1890
01:31:29,691 --> 01:31:31,727
signing documents,
backdating them
1891
01:31:31,762 --> 01:31:35,041
and then aging the documents
under a sun lamp.
1892
01:31:35,075 --> 01:31:38,078
So when the documents would be
forensically examined later on
1893
01:31:38,113 --> 01:31:39,770
his fingerprints
wouldn't be on it.
1894
01:31:39,804 --> 01:31:41,461
His skin oil
wouldn't be on it
1895
01:31:41,496 --> 01:31:43,912
and of course the paper would
have aged under the sun lamp.
1896
01:31:43,946 --> 01:31:46,224
And she testified that
she saw him do that.
1897
01:31:46,259 --> 01:31:49,918
So, John was very busy
creating a set of documents
1898
01:31:49,952 --> 01:31:53,473
in the dark of night,
but his wife was watching him.
1899
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,203
After reviewing the records,
there came a time
1900
01:31:59,237 --> 01:32:02,171
when the trial started
to recover this money
1901
01:32:02,206 --> 01:32:03,794
that John had taken
from the company.
1902
01:32:03,828 --> 01:32:07,176
And I started to really get a
good look at John as a person
1903
01:32:07,211 --> 01:32:09,593
and the true nature
of his character.
1904
01:32:09,627 --> 01:32:11,318
So, he walks in court one day
1905
01:32:11,353 --> 01:32:12,768
and then he looks at me
and he says
1906
01:32:12,803 --> 01:32:14,080
"I was on the radio
this morning.
1907
01:32:14,114 --> 01:32:16,772
I was talking about you
and your testimony."
1908
01:32:16,807 --> 01:32:19,257
He goes, "But I'm not sure
I got your name right."
1909
01:32:19,292 --> 01:32:23,365
He said, "Is there one H
in Shithead or two?"
1910
01:32:23,399 --> 01:32:25,678
And I said, "Wow."
1911
01:32:25,712 --> 01:32:28,819
But by then
I also realized we had him.
1912
01:32:28,853 --> 01:32:32,132
In other words, he was acting
out because we knew we had him.
1913
01:32:32,167 --> 01:32:34,307
Between us having
the financial evidence
1914
01:32:34,341 --> 01:32:36,896
and Cristina would testify
1915
01:32:36,930 --> 01:32:40,589
that John had been forging
documents and aging documents
1916
01:32:40,624 --> 01:32:42,315
John needed to
settle that case
1917
01:32:42,349 --> 01:32:44,110
actually cough up the money
1918
01:32:44,144 --> 01:32:46,422
that had been stolen
from the investors
1919
01:32:46,457 --> 01:32:48,321
in the DeLorean partnership.
1920
01:32:48,355 --> 01:32:49,943
Would you deny
therefore that you had
1921
01:32:49,978 --> 01:32:51,773
any of that $17 million?
1922
01:32:51,807 --> 01:32:54,810
Excuse me a minute.
I have to get a drink.
1923
01:32:54,845 --> 01:32:57,606
John DeLorean was not prepared
to answer any further questions
1924
01:32:57,641 --> 01:33:00,644
about the missing
$17.6 million.
1925
01:33:07,202 --> 01:33:10,826
In the drug trial, John really
could grasp on to that idea of
1926
01:33:10,861 --> 01:33:13,001
I was the victim here,
you know?
1927
01:33:13,035 --> 01:33:17,522
I got sucked into a situation
of overzealous people
1928
01:33:17,557 --> 01:33:20,146
overzealous government that
was trying to take me down
1929
01:33:20,180 --> 01:33:21,941
as a legitimate
business owner.
1930
01:33:21,975 --> 01:33:24,633
In the case of
the money trials
1931
01:33:24,668 --> 01:33:28,326
it's very hard to take the
approach that he was the victim
1932
01:33:28,361 --> 01:33:30,501
because all of it
was his own doing.
1933
01:33:30,535 --> 01:33:33,297
You start to see, you know,
this real true character
1934
01:33:33,331 --> 01:33:37,266
this underlying nature of John,
not the public persona that
1935
01:33:37,301 --> 01:33:39,510
he had worked so hard
to cultivate for years.
1936
01:33:39,544 --> 01:33:43,652
He had built this giant
bubble of an image
1937
01:33:43,687 --> 01:33:47,863
making him believe he could
kind of get away with anything.
1938
01:33:47,898 --> 01:33:50,832
This was not
the little guy fighting
1939
01:33:50,866 --> 01:33:52,972
the Goliath like GM.
1940
01:33:53,006 --> 01:33:56,527
This instead was someone
in his business dealings
1941
01:33:56,561 --> 01:33:58,563
who acted like the Goliath
1942
01:33:58,598 --> 01:34:01,705
and trampled on
other people's dreams
1943
01:34:01,739 --> 01:34:06,088
and really hurt
some individuals very badly.
1944
01:34:06,123 --> 01:34:08,746
I'm not a psychiatrist,
but I think that
1945
01:34:08,781 --> 01:34:11,128
he was okay in the beginning
1946
01:34:11,162 --> 01:34:14,269
and I think he just got
carried away.
1947
01:34:14,303 --> 01:34:17,548
I think he could have saved it
if he'd had the right attitude.
1948
01:34:17,582 --> 01:34:19,861
But I think he thought it was
more important to make a buck
1949
01:34:19,895 --> 01:34:24,210
than to be successful.
1950
01:34:24,244 --> 01:34:26,419
That is part of
the real tragedy
1951
01:34:26,453 --> 01:34:28,973
in going back to the what-ifs.
1952
01:34:29,008 --> 01:34:33,357
You know, what if John and Colin
hadn't embezzled that money
1953
01:34:33,391 --> 01:34:36,601
and he had still had seventeen and
a half million dollars at the time
1954
01:34:36,636 --> 01:34:39,190
when he needed desperately cash
to keep the company open?
1955
01:34:39,225 --> 01:34:40,226
We're the FBI.
1956
01:34:40,260 --> 01:34:42,090
By stealing that money
1957
01:34:42,124 --> 01:34:44,368
John really painted himself
into a corner.
1958
01:34:44,402 --> 01:34:46,784
And he had to find the money
somewhere else.
1959
01:34:46,819 --> 01:34:49,166
And to think if he could have
only held on
1960
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,513
for a few more years.
1961
01:35:05,216 --> 01:35:06,252
Doc!
1962
01:35:07,494 --> 01:35:10,014
- Marty! You made it!
- Yeah.
1963
01:35:10,049 --> 01:35:11,498
Welcome to my latest experiment.
1964
01:35:11,533 --> 01:35:12,499
This is the big one,
the one I've been
1965
01:35:12,534 --> 01:35:14,018
waiting for all my life.
1966
01:35:14,053 --> 01:35:16,400
- Wow, it's a DeLorean.
- Bear with me, Marty.
1967
01:35:16,434 --> 01:35:18,885
All your questions will be
answered. Roll tape.
1968
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,819
When Bob Zemeckis and I first
wrote "Back To The Future"
1969
01:35:21,854 --> 01:35:25,340
the time machine was
a refrigerator.
1970
01:35:25,374 --> 01:35:29,309
And Bob Zemeckis,
the director, said
1971
01:35:29,344 --> 01:35:33,555
"Wouldn't it be simpler
if Doc actually built
1972
01:35:33,589 --> 01:35:35,350
the time machine into a car?"
1973
01:35:35,384 --> 01:35:39,423
And then he says, "And what
if the car was a DeLorean?"
1974
01:35:39,457 --> 01:35:40,700
You know,
it wasn't my idea
1975
01:35:40,735 --> 01:35:42,495
but I know damn good idea
when I hear one.
1976
01:35:42,529 --> 01:35:44,255
This was a damn good idea.
1977
01:35:44,290 --> 01:35:45,981
So I said,
"Yeah, that's great."
1978
01:35:46,016 --> 01:35:49,398
When this baby hits
88 miles per hour
1979
01:35:49,433 --> 01:35:52,263
you're gonna see some
serious shit.
1980
01:35:56,267 --> 01:35:59,684
We, I think,
did a great job
1981
01:35:59,719 --> 01:36:01,790
in making the DeLorean
glamorous
1982
01:36:01,825 --> 01:36:05,725
and endearing it to,
uh, generations of
1983
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,383
of movie fans and car fans.
1984
01:36:08,417 --> 01:36:11,766
Eighty eight miles
per hour!
1985
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:14,354
If only we'd stayed alive
1986
01:36:14,389 --> 01:36:17,564
and we'd continued
for another two years.
1987
01:36:17,599 --> 01:36:20,671
You can't buy that
publicity now, can you?
1988
01:36:21,879 --> 01:36:23,191
"Back To The Future"
1989
01:36:23,225 --> 01:36:24,917
makes the car
1990
01:36:24,951 --> 01:36:27,747
and the man truly immortal.
1991
01:36:27,782 --> 01:36:29,611
A hundred years from now
1992
01:36:29,645 --> 01:36:31,993
people will watch that movie
1993
01:36:32,027 --> 01:36:35,548
And the last running DeLorean
may have consumed
1994
01:36:35,582 --> 01:36:39,379
its last drop of fuel
and eaten its last piston
1995
01:36:39,414 --> 01:36:41,347
but that movie will carry on.
1996
01:36:42,866 --> 01:36:46,007
After the movie came out,
about two or three weeks later
1997
01:36:46,041 --> 01:36:48,561
we got one of the best
fan letters we ever got
1998
01:36:48,595 --> 01:36:50,252
and it was from John DeLorean.
1999
01:36:50,287 --> 01:36:53,014
He said that
he'd just seen the movie
2000
01:36:53,048 --> 01:36:54,878
he thought it was brilliant.
2001
01:36:54,912 --> 01:36:56,638
Uh, and he said
2002
01:36:56,672 --> 01:36:58,674
"Thank you for keeping
my dream alive."
2003
01:37:02,368 --> 01:37:05,336
You know,
back in a time when
2004
01:37:05,371 --> 01:37:10,134
I was lead to believe
films about him were
2005
01:37:10,169 --> 01:37:12,550
um, percolating
2006
01:37:12,585 --> 01:37:14,621
you know, there were
a couple of them
2007
01:37:14,656 --> 01:37:17,970
to my recollection
that people were gonna make.
2008
01:37:18,004 --> 01:37:19,523
I get a phone call
2009
01:37:21,456 --> 01:37:23,458
and it was DeLorean.
2010
01:37:26,081 --> 01:37:29,326
And I have to imagine
he was probably
2011
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,880
out of the house, the big house,
and living in this apartment
2012
01:37:31,915 --> 01:37:34,745
you know, the scene
that we're gonna shoot today.
2013
01:37:34,779 --> 01:37:37,334
Yeah, I was on the phone
with him and he was, uh..
2014
01:37:37,368 --> 01:37:40,993
He was like, "Alex, this is
John DeLorean calling."
2015
01:37:41,027 --> 01:37:43,478
He's very old.
He sounded older.
2016
01:37:43,512 --> 01:37:45,100
He said, "I understand
they're making
2017
01:37:45,135 --> 01:37:47,896
"this motion picture
about me
2018
01:37:47,931 --> 01:37:51,900
"and, uh, I would be
very flattered
2019
01:37:51,935 --> 01:37:55,421
if you were to portray me
in the movie."
2020
01:37:55,455 --> 01:37:57,768
I thought, "Wow."
2021
01:37:57,802 --> 01:38:01,185
I mean, to have the guy
who's the real guy pick you.
2022
01:38:01,220 --> 01:38:03,705
And, um,
and then it went away.
2023
01:38:05,051 --> 01:38:06,984
I never heard from him again.
2024
01:38:07,019 --> 01:38:09,745
But, uh, I mean, to me
2025
01:38:09,780 --> 01:38:12,369
DeLorean is a lot of things.
2026
01:38:12,403 --> 01:38:14,958
Every day, you,
I think about who is he..
2027
01:38:14,992 --> 01:38:16,821
I have a different answer.
2028
01:38:16,856 --> 01:38:19,652
You know, today my attitude
about DeLorean
2029
01:38:19,686 --> 01:38:24,588
you watch historical footage
and you get kind of inflamed
2030
01:38:24,622 --> 01:38:27,211
'cause you see that he did a lot
of bad things to some people
2031
01:38:27,246 --> 01:38:31,560
and he hurt a lot of people
and he stole from people.
2032
01:38:31,595 --> 01:38:34,149
And at the same time, uh..
2033
01:38:35,633 --> 01:38:37,359
I feel like
he was somebody who..
2034
01:38:37,394 --> 01:38:41,018
He just, like a lot of
great American stories
2035
01:38:41,053 --> 01:38:43,158
he just perverted some dream
that he had.
2036
01:38:46,610 --> 01:38:49,233
You remember the DMC,
don't you? Yeah.
2037
01:38:51,166 --> 01:38:54,204
How could you forget it?
It was one of a kind.
2038
01:38:55,826 --> 01:38:57,793
It really was one of a kind.
2039
01:38:57,828 --> 01:39:01,970
As -- as full as John's life
was those first 60 years
2040
01:39:02,005 --> 01:39:05,594
the last 20 years are
actually more simple.
2041
01:39:05,629 --> 01:39:07,976
This is one of John's bibles
2042
01:39:08,011 --> 01:39:11,773
which he actually gave
to his nephew Mark.
2043
01:39:11,807 --> 01:39:13,671
He became a born again
Christian.
2044
01:39:13,706 --> 01:39:16,433
Uh, it was a very important
part of his life.
2045
01:39:16,467 --> 01:39:18,642
He dated several women
throughout the years
2046
01:39:18,676 --> 01:39:20,851
and then ended up
re-marrying late in life.
2047
01:39:20,885 --> 01:39:23,819
And then in 2000,
had to declare bankruptcy
2048
01:39:23,854 --> 01:39:26,201
in which he lost
his Bedminster Estate
2049
01:39:26,236 --> 01:39:28,169
and lived the last five years
of his life
2050
01:39:28,203 --> 01:39:30,585
in a one-bedroom apartment.
2051
01:39:30,619 --> 01:39:32,069
His whole fucking life,
his whole dream
2052
01:39:32,104 --> 01:39:34,313
everything that he worked for
2053
01:39:34,347 --> 01:39:36,246
from the time
they broke ground
2054
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:38,834
till the time of
the arrest, gone.
2055
01:39:43,184 --> 01:39:45,565
Was it a blow to your pride
to you trying to
2056
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:47,119
shape your life again?
2057
01:39:47,153 --> 01:39:50,156
Well, I felt terrible about it
for a long time.
2058
01:39:50,191 --> 01:39:52,814
I felt terrible for my children
who've had a..
2059
01:39:52,848 --> 01:39:56,645
This has been an extremely
difficult thing for them.
2060
01:39:56,680 --> 01:40:01,029
But, you know, life is life.
You go.. It goes on.
2061
01:40:01,064 --> 01:40:03,445
Your father is shamed
and goes to jail.
2062
01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:05,137
Your family loses
all their money.
2063
01:40:05,171 --> 01:40:06,621
Your parents get divorced.
2064
01:40:06,655 --> 01:40:08,450
Everything in your world
changes.
2065
01:40:08,485 --> 01:40:11,039
And for the next 15 years
of your life
2066
01:40:11,074 --> 01:40:15,147
you get chased by,
"Is your father in jail?"
2067
01:40:15,181 --> 01:40:18,012
and cocaine jokes
and all of these things
2068
01:40:18,046 --> 01:40:20,980
that just followed along
with it.
2069
01:40:21,015 --> 01:40:25,743
My entire life,
I had to live it down.
2070
01:40:25,778 --> 01:40:28,850
It was, it followed me
for a very long time.
2071
01:40:28,884 --> 01:40:32,405
It followed me around
until I started to
2072
01:40:32,440 --> 01:40:35,581
get involved into
the DeLorean community.
2073
01:40:37,583 --> 01:40:39,930
People used to invite
my dad to
2074
01:40:39,964 --> 01:40:42,208
all these car shows
all the time.
2075
01:40:42,243 --> 01:40:44,279
And I asked him.
2076
01:40:44,314 --> 01:40:47,282
I said,
"Dad, dad, let's go.
2077
01:40:47,317 --> 01:40:49,388
You have to experience this."
2078
01:40:49,422 --> 01:40:53,461
Knowing how much
he was still loved
2079
01:40:53,495 --> 01:40:56,464
would definitely make
a difference in his life.
2080
01:40:58,155 --> 01:41:00,157
- Thank you.
- Thank you.
2081
01:41:00,192 --> 01:41:02,125
It was an amazing experience.
2082
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:03,816
It was, it was everything
2083
01:41:03,850 --> 01:41:05,369
I hoped it would be
and then some..
2084
01:41:05,404 --> 01:41:07,130
I just met John DeLorean
for the third time.
2085
01:41:07,164 --> 01:41:08,924
Document that.
2086
01:41:08,959 --> 01:41:10,478
The man is unbelievable.
2087
01:41:12,342 --> 01:41:15,276
He really did get to bask
2088
01:41:15,310 --> 01:41:18,831
in his glory
a little bit again.
2089
01:41:22,455 --> 01:41:24,216
Do you consider
the whole DeLorean dream
2090
01:41:24,250 --> 01:41:25,320
to have been a failure?
2091
01:41:25,355 --> 01:41:27,426
Oh, I think that
I showed a lot of people
2092
01:41:27,460 --> 01:41:29,048
that whether, uh
2093
01:41:29,083 --> 01:41:30,670
you know, you survive or not
2094
01:41:30,705 --> 01:41:32,569
the key is,
it's like Shakespeare said
2095
01:41:32,603 --> 01:41:34,053
"It's better to have
loved and lost
2096
01:41:34,088 --> 01:41:35,675
than not to have loved at all."
2097
01:41:35,710 --> 01:41:39,231
I gave it the best shot I had.
I tried as hard as I could.
2098
01:41:39,265 --> 01:41:43,787
And I think that
I did reasonably well.
2099
01:41:43,821 --> 01:41:47,101
I think DeLorean was
very much alone.
2100
01:41:47,135 --> 01:41:51,277
Part of the fallout from
compartmentalizing his life
2101
01:41:51,312 --> 01:41:53,383
the way he did
2102
01:41:53,417 --> 01:41:57,283
is that he really
didn't have anybody
2103
01:41:57,318 --> 01:42:00,597
who knew him
through and through.
2104
01:42:00,631 --> 01:42:03,841
This is not a man who's
looking at his family life
2105
01:42:03,876 --> 01:42:07,293
or his friends to qualify
2106
01:42:07,328 --> 01:42:08,915
his reason for living.
2107
01:42:08,950 --> 01:42:11,711
It's, "What have I accomplished?
What have I done?
2108
01:42:11,746 --> 01:42:13,920
What am I doing next?"
2109
01:42:13,955 --> 01:42:16,682
That in his mind,
this is what really
2110
01:42:16,716 --> 01:42:19,823
reflects on him
as a human being.
2111
01:42:19,857 --> 01:42:21,790
When we come around here,
what I'd like to do is
2112
01:42:21,825 --> 01:42:23,344
repeat this action.
2113
01:42:23,378 --> 01:42:26,105
And just put this down here
and then look up at the car.
2114
01:42:26,140 --> 01:42:29,764
And I wanna say something very
specific to him about the car.
2115
01:42:29,798 --> 01:42:32,594
No film can tell the definitive
story of anybody's life.
2116
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:35,183
Anyone's life is just
too vast
2117
01:42:35,218 --> 01:42:37,910
and complex for one film.
2118
01:42:37,944 --> 01:42:40,602
But a film could certainly
2119
01:42:40,637 --> 01:42:42,949
create the legend of
John DeLorean
2120
01:42:42,984 --> 01:42:46,021
and we print the legend.
2121
01:42:46,056 --> 01:42:47,782
The legend is what we love.
2122
01:42:47,816 --> 01:42:50,060
That's what we should have.
2123
01:42:52,683 --> 01:42:54,927
Let's just hypothetically say
2124
01:42:54,961 --> 01:42:57,240
that when he went into
the hotel that night
2125
01:42:57,274 --> 01:42:58,862
he knew he was walking out
2126
01:42:58,896 --> 01:43:01,623
with a suitcase
full of cocaine.
2127
01:43:01,658 --> 01:43:03,729
I can't necessarily blame him.
2128
01:43:05,386 --> 01:43:07,698
How far would you be
willing to go
2129
01:43:07,733 --> 01:43:09,873
to save something you worked
your whole life
2130
01:43:09,907 --> 01:43:11,392
for your life's dream?
2131
01:43:11,426 --> 01:43:14,188
What would you do
to see that succeed
2132
01:43:14,222 --> 01:43:15,706
no matter what?
2133
01:43:19,641 --> 01:43:21,436
He always kept trying.
2134
01:43:21,471 --> 01:43:24,232
He never gave up the dream.
2135
01:43:24,267 --> 01:43:27,062
He never quit believing
2136
01:43:27,097 --> 01:43:29,133
that there was a potential
for him to recover
2137
01:43:29,168 --> 01:43:31,515
that he was going to invent
the next great thing
2138
01:43:31,550 --> 01:43:34,760
that he was going to be able
to reclaim his former glory.
2139
01:43:34,794 --> 01:43:36,451
He was John DeLorean
2140
01:43:36,486 --> 01:43:39,627
and he was John DeLorean
until the day he died.
2141
01:43:39,661 --> 01:43:42,043
You know, I think he was still
trying to make fucking deals
2142
01:43:42,077 --> 01:43:43,838
on that DMC-2
2143
01:43:43,872 --> 01:43:45,460
when he got the heart attack.
2144
01:43:47,117 --> 01:43:50,845
And I -- I think that would be
a good way to end the movie.
2145
01:43:50,879 --> 01:43:53,641
You could have him on the
phone eating some breakfast
2146
01:43:53,675 --> 01:43:57,231
um, with,
an -- an open notebook thing
2147
01:43:57,265 --> 01:43:58,922
that you'd show investors
with, you know
2148
01:43:58,956 --> 01:44:01,821
all the nice little
pictures and stuff.
2149
01:44:01,856 --> 01:44:05,031
Talking on the phone and
then it just fades to black.
2150
01:44:05,066 --> 01:44:07,275
Because then that
last image would just be him
2151
01:44:07,310 --> 01:44:10,140
working to get that
deal done.
2152
01:44:10,174 --> 01:44:12,384
And he just fuckin'..
2153
01:44:12,418 --> 01:44:15,041
God pulled the plug
on his ass, man.
2154
01:44:15,076 --> 01:44:18,217
You're outta here, buddy.
You know?
2155
01:44:18,252 --> 01:44:20,115
Then, you know,
it just goes black and then
2156
01:44:20,150 --> 01:44:23,291
John DeLorean died in
Morristown, New Jersey
2157
01:44:23,326 --> 01:44:26,432
at fucking 80 years old
on this date, you know?
2158
01:44:26,467 --> 01:44:30,056
Never to have fulfilled,
you know, another car company
2159
01:44:30,091 --> 01:44:32,127
build another car company.
2160
01:44:32,162 --> 01:44:34,095
And, you know, and
I -- I'd be okay with that.
2161
01:44:34,129 --> 01:44:36,131
And slate. That's good.
2162
01:44:36,166 --> 01:44:38,548
Scene 28 alpha, take two.
2163
01:44:44,864 --> 01:44:46,487
Action.
2164
01:48:49,730 --> 01:48:52,111
I mean, if we can't get the
money to distribute this movie
2165
01:48:52,146 --> 01:48:54,666
what if we sell cocaine to try
to get this movie distributed?
2166
01:48:54,700 --> 01:48:56,771
- Sure.
- We don't want to lose, either.
2167
01:48:56,806 --> 01:48:58,946
- No.
- I'm counting on you, Sheena.
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