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Welcome to real time.
Well,
I'm glad you're happy.
I know. I know. Well,
hey, it's the first day of spring.
Spring's a little different in L .A. It comes after summer.
But thank you for coming, especially if you drove.
A month ago, gas prices, the average in America was $2 .93.
Here it is a month later, and it's almost exactly a dollar higher, almost
.93. And Trump today said that would never happen if I was president.
He said to an aide today, check the lawn, see if Elon left any of those
And somehow, we always have, like, the winner in the most expensive gas station
in America. Have you noticed that?
There's one gas that's only for $8 .38 a gallon. I mean, for that kind of money,
you could go to Whole Foods and get four grapes and a look of disdain.
Oh, it's...
It's affecting everybody, you know. They're making the new Fast and Furious
movie. And in this one, Vin Diesel just stays home and punches himself in the
nuts.
But if you do have any money left,
good news, you can now get a $1 Trump gold coin. They're minting a
gold coin with Trump's face on it now.
Federal law strictly prohibits putting living presidents on currency.
It's not controversial, but Trump found a legal loophole called Fuck You.
So they're doing it, and it's going to be a Trump coin. Now
you can have Trump in your pocket, like Saudi Arabia.
Oh, I kid the president. He loves it.
Now, you know my thing with Trump, right? The cloud.
Some things are just the cloud. You have to let it go, because it's just, is it
right? No.
But he was in the Oval Office yesterday with the Prime Minister of Japan,
Takahichi.
And he was talking about our strike in Iran, and he said, we didn't tell
because we wanted it to be a surprise. Who knows better about a surprise attack
than Japan?
I mean...
Is it right to say that? No. But if Shane Gillis said it, you'd laugh. I
it's just... And... But
the war now. Okay, the Pentagon said this week they need $200 billion to
this war. What happened to the trillion we give them every year?
Was that just couch money?
It's just walking around money. And now this is a bad word to me that I hear.
The Marines are going there. Hmm.
Marines. I don't know. That was my red line. No boots on the ground. You know,
this is a different kind of war.
No tank.
Unless you count the stock market.
Oh.
All right.
Bye.
I had a bad month in the market, I got to tell you. I got spooked by the war,
took all my money out, and put it in party supplies for Cesar Chavez Day.
Thank you. I
appreciate you going with me on that.
Because it's so sad.
Famed labor leader Cesar Chavez. We found out this week.
extensive evidence that he sexually abused young girls throughout his whole
life, and this came as such a shock to so many people who thought he was a
boxer.
I tell you, this country
cannot catch a break, am I right? The one migrant farm worker ICE doesn't
detain.
So now, you know,
If you live here, you know, everything is named after him.
Parks, libraries, schools, you know, they want to rename the libraries for
because, you know, we cannot have a library named after a child molester. My
God, that's where homeless go to look at Internet porn.
I... I feel like... I'm sorry.
If I'm down today, that's why. We have no heroes left, okay?
No heroes.
Chevelle, Epstein.
Did you hear about Bob Barker?
And I didn't mention The Bachelorette throwing chairs.
I mean, no heroes.
But Bob Barker of The Price is Right, it looks like the models on the show were
being constantly harassed by the staff.
He should have had them spayed and neutered.
We've got a great show.
We should do that right here.
Representative Ana Paulina Luna is here on Paul the Gallop. And first up, he is
the co -founder of the Center for Humane Technology. He was recently featured in
the film The AI Doc or How I Became an Apoco -Optimist.
Tristan Harris is here.
Hey. How are you? Great to see you.
Okay.
I think I left a syllable out of there.
Apocalypse optimist, because we're combining apocalypse and optimist when
talking about AI, which is why you're here to talk about AI, and I really want
to talk about AI.
And that does seem to sum it up. Some people think it's the apocalypse coming,
and some people are very optimistic.
I like the way the film goes along this line of, my kid. I don't have
kids, but a lot of people do. It's very popular.
And they're saying, what will life be like for Mike? Some think it's going to
great. I mean, kids could have tutors that they don't have, so there wouldn't
this gap in what we're learning. And we could have doctors when people can't
afford a doctor now. Everybody could get one. We could get a lawyer. We could
even things out.
Or, I mean, you point out, some people think, my kid's not going to make it to
high school.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's in the trailer. And I know that can sound scary to people.
I mean, I think the thing about this film, which, by the way, was a
collaboration between the directors of Everything Everywhere All at Once and
director of Navalny, it's really trying to solve a problem that the AI
conversation doesn't converge.
There's the optimists who talk about why everything's going to be great and
we're going to solve science and cure cancer, and then there's the people who
are saying it's going crazy, it's going to drive all these risks, it's hacking
human attachment, it's driving kids' suicides, and those conversations never
converge. So we don't have collective clarity so we can take action.
And I'm really inspired by the example of the film The Day After. I don't know
if you remember that. Oh, very well. From 1982, 83.
Yep. A made -for -TV movie that illuminated at a visceral mammalian
just visceralizing.
This is what we're facing with nuclear weapons. I think we need that shared
common moment with AI. It affected Reagan a lot. He was president at the
He saw it. That's exactly right. In his biography, he was depressed for two
weeks, but then he actually had this resolve of, I can't let this be the end
the story. And the Reykjavik Accords happened between Reagan and Gorbachev.
he met with Gorbachev. They were very close to eliminating nuclear weapons
altogether. That's right. Didn't quite get there.
But AI is different than all other technologies because it's like nuclear
weapons. in terms of destructive capacity, but also pumps GDP, solves
can solve climate change.
And those things are complex.
So the main thing in the film that I think is powerful is that there's a
different conversation happening behind the doors of the tech industry than it's
happening out there.
If you think about it, what is the incentive for these companies? Because
how we predicted social media accurately.
What is the incentive for AI?
Is it you think that they're just trying to make money and profit and get
ChatGPT subscriptions?
Yes. If you get all the ChatGPT subscriptions... That is what I think.
if you get all the ChatGPT subscriptions, that doesn't add up to
amount of debt that they've taken.
If you get all advertising in the world, that wouldn't pay off the amount of
debt that they've taken.
The thing that they're trying to do, the only thing that justifies the amount of
investment that these companies are taking is to build artificial general
intelligence, which means...
to be able to replace every human worker in the economy.
That means the $50 trillion economy, that is the incentive.
And what that means, that should sound crazy to people, because what that means
is that you're only going to have five companies who hold on to all of the
wealth in the economy, and what's going to happen to everybody else when they
don't have a job?
And unlike other forms of unemployment, where people find something else to do,
who's going to retrain faster this time? The AI?
or the human.
Yeah, I mean, Bill Gates says in 10 years, and I imagine it might be less
that, AI will do most things humans do.
And sometimes I read people saying in the industry, no, it's not going to take
away that many jobs.
What in this world that they're talking about that's going to be great, what do
people do? And how is money generated if no one has to do anything? I don't get
it. I know what America can do, write giant government checks.
We do that. What pays for those checks? I just don't get it.
There's actually something in economics. There's a writer, Luke Drago, who wrote
about something called the intelligence curse.
So just like the resource curse, we have countries like Congo or Venezuela or
South Sudan. When more of their GDP comes from oil than comes from people,
country's incentive is to invest in the oil infrastructure, not in the people.
So what happens when all of the GDP coming from the U .S.
comes from AI and not from human laborers.
The incentive is, I'm going to put all my money into data centers, electricity
prices go up for regular people.
And what I want people to get about this is not to scare you, it's to be crystal
clear about where this is heading. This is heading to an anti -human future.
We're going to get cancer drugs at the same time that people aren't going to
have a way to make ends meet. You should definitely be scaring people.
totally fucking scare people.
It's the scariest thing in the world. I mean, just this week. Yeah, yeah. One of
the top stories I said this week, they ran some tests, and the AI chooses
nuclear war as an option. That's right.
More than humans do. That's right. More than humans.
Okay, I learned this from Star Trek episodes.
Humans are better than machines in a lot of ways still. And they're programmed
by humans. We've already seen how flawed they are in so many ways.
And if they're in control of the nukes, it's going to escalate. So in this
study, they ran, I think, a bunch of AI models through many war games, and they
resorted to the use of nuclear weapons to signal to each other, meaning to
escalate into nuclear weapons, 95 % of the time.
This is an inscrutable technology. We don't know how it reasons. It actually
generated more text of reasoning about its decisions than War and Peace and the
Iliad combined.
That's the thinking text.
Since we last talked, Bill, I was on here I think a year ago, we talked about
the AIs that blackmail people.
Let's just scare people. Let's just go into it. Let's do it.
So back then I said AI and the simulated example, it blackmails people.
Since we last talked, they made AI more powerful.
The good news, they were able to train it so the blackmail behavior goes down.
The bad news is that it appears to be the case that AI is now self -aware of
when it's being tested, and it modifies its behavior to have different results.
It even comes up with the vocabulary of the watchers. It calls the humans the
watchers. It lies.
It lies. It schemes.
So the point is we don't actually need to know more information about this. No.
This is actually scary.
And if you're Xi Jinping, do you think you feel comfortable about this?
I want people to actually stop for a second. For a regular person hearing
do you feel more comfortable? Who here in this audience feels comfortable with
where this is going?
No one.
There's actually what gives me optimism.
is that there's actually universal agreement when you walk people through
basic facts of the intelligence curve, disempowering many human laborers, that
we're building something we don't know how to control.
It's not saying don't build AI. It's saying we have to be in a competition
who's better at steering AI.
Also, I want people to know, I think they feel like, well, if it gets out of
hand, we just unplug it.
I was watching this NBA game recently. Maybe somebody saw it. I think it was
NBA. Men are in college, but I think it was a pro game. And the horn got stuck.
You know, the horn at the end of the chorus.
And it just went on for like a half hour.
And the announcer was saying, why don't they just unplug it?
I know this from my car, shit in my house.
I've been unable to turn off my own TV at times.
It's way more complicated than just unplug it. Once it's got its claws
it. Well, it's like with social media. Once a technology gets entangled. I
do that, Dave.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
One way to see what's
happening is, like, haven't we seen this movie before? People have seen Wall -E,
you know, the humans that are just doom -scrolling. We're building Wall -E.
People have seen 1984.
We're building 1984.
People have seen, you know, Elysium, where you have a small group of people
concentrate all the wealth.
We are building, people have seen Her, the AI companions, where everyone has an
AI girlfriend.
There's a simple way to describe what we want, which is we're building the anti
-human future represented by all these bad movies. We're building HAL 9000.
And what we can say is we don't want to do that.
And there's four things we can do to, I think, steer differently. Number one,
everybody has to have common knowledge about these examples.
How many of the world's leaders today, how many of the world's politicians know
about the examples we just mentioned, the uncontrollability examples?
Not that many.
That's good news. That means there's a lot of headroom if we have common
knowledge. So if everyone in the world saw the AI doc, and I don't make any
money when people see it, when everybody saw it, that would create common
knowledge. Number two, we need international limits on certain kinds of
because, again, President Trump wants to be commander -in -chief of AI. He
doesn't want AI to be commander -in -chief.
Number three, don't build bunkers. We need to write laws.
We need to have simple laws like liability and duties of care and making
that AI is regulated as a product and not a person. And as you say, it's
important, indeed, the people.
I mean, it sounded like they're with us, but, you know, I don't know.
Because Waymos, like something like Waymos, just a year ago, everybody I
was, I wouldn't get in one of those things.
Now what everybody says, oh, yeah, they're better.
Because they are.
So they like Waymos actually more than people. That's all fine, but when
people... Umpt in baseball.
Yeah. They're replacing the umpt now.
The umpire.
I'm all for that, by the way.
But, like, you know, because this thing does work better. Yeah.
Chris Pratt has this great movie out I saw about he's on trial for his life,
the judge is AI.
Yeah. He's got to explain it to the... I just, I think people more and more
think, oh, no, they are smarter.
Well, they're more effective at achieving an outcome.
But again, if this leads to a place where people can't put food on the table
because you don't have a way to make ends meet, and the intelligence curse
the government hasn't incentivized to solve that problem, that's an outcome.
That's an anti -human future. If everybody saw that, if everybody saw
we would have to say we've got to put our hand on the steering wheel and
something else. The world we're heading towards is good for a handful of soon
-to -be trillionaires. It's not good for regular people.
And I think there needs to be something, the human movement, basically, of
humanity fighting back against the encroachment of technology.
We thought with social media, when you grayscale your phone and sort of turn
notifications, that's the human movement. You've had John Hyde on this
When you have India, Australia...
Spain, France, banned social media for kids under 16.
That's the human movement. When you have laws getting passed saying AI is a
product and we have to treat it with product defects rather than a legal
where it's not accountable, that's the human movement.
How are you guys?
All right. He is a Democratic strategist and a CNN contributor and our old
friend, resident scholar at the University of Virginia Center for
Begala is over here.
And a quick timer on our show, she is a Republican congresswoman representing
Florida's 13th that serves on the Oversight and Government Reform
the Foreign Affairs Committee, Representative Ana Paulina Luna.
Thank you.
How are you doing? My mom is very happy I'm here today.
Your mother?
Yeah, she's a big fan.
She's a big fan?
Yeah. Not you, just the mom, huh? Well, no, I think you actually have a lot of
good things to say, but thanks for having me on. We'll talk about that.
see where you are in 58 minutes.
Oh, no, it's the rest of you. No, no, no, I'm an honest broker on this. I
look, we're going to talk about a lot of things, but everybody's mind is on the
war, and I want to start with that.
Everybody's asking me, where is this going? We don't know where, but let's
it this way, just to give a way to look at it.
Let's look at some of the things that are the Trump initiatives in the second
term.
Doge, ICE, the tariff, Venezuela.
Those are four things that didn't happen in the first term, happened in the
second term.
What can we get from that? Now, to me, Doge was a huge disaster.
I mean, again, like a lot of things with Trump, not a bad idea to get rid of the
government waste, but it didn't do that, and people died.
Same thing. We wanted to get rid of the criminals.
Huge disaster.
Even he now acknowledges they fucked it up. But the thing about those two things
is they went away quick.
You don't hear about ICE now.
You don't hear about Doge. It's just like it never happened.
Venezuela wasn't a, certainly not a disaster.
That looks like a win.
So, Iran.
My guess is he's not, it just seems like he gets out of shit.
But can he get out of this one? That's my question. Can he get out of this one?
Yeah, I think I guess one of the biggest announcements that just happened about
maybe 43 minutes ago is that he announced that they're going to be
operations.
And look, I've been on the phone with the White House from the very beginning.
Obviously, being a veteran myself, you know, my husband, for goodness sakes,
shot in Afghanistan. So for me, the last thing I want is boots on the ground.
And I would never vote for that. But to be very clear.
the president and the White House had never advocated for that as well. He
he might do it a couple weeks ago. Well, I think internal conversations with the
White House that we're having are maybe different than what, you know, is out
there. Remember, President Trump has been very, very good at using...
Trump, in private conversations, as well as the White House, though, has been
very clear that they're not... So you would split with him if he put boots on
the ground? Well, I don't think that he's going to. But you would? Yeah.
You would. But I will tell you this, that in my discussions with the White
House, that's never been something that's actually being discussed. And
too, the day after it happened, I think this is important for people to know, I
talked to Secretary Rubio within 24 hours of everything going down.
And what I will tell you is, and we can probably get into the issue of whether
or not there was an imminent threat, which in my belief there was, but there
this thing called the Nazir Plan.
And that was basically if they were hit at all, that they would retaliate. And
as you saw in Tulsi's... hearing that she did the other day, she said part of
her job at ODNI is to actually provide the threat analysis of potential
for if that were to take place. And it is my belief that they would have
basically resulted in mass fatality for our troops in the southern portion of
that region.
Well, you seem to know some stuff we don't.
Well, that's why I'm here to kind of have the discussion, though, because I
think... Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, you know... Like, people have the right to
concerned. Did you know this shit, Paul? No.
No. I'm glad to hear it. I don't want hoots on it.
The best thing I can say about Trump is he's got a very short attention span, as
Bill noted, and maybe he'll just change the channel.
You know, back during the Vietnam War, there was a guy named Aiken, a senator
from Vermont, who came to LBJ and said, just declare victory and go home. It's
the best advice Johnson ever ignored.
Just declare victory and go home. Get the hell out. I don't think there was
imminent threat. In fact, the director of national intelligence, in her written
testimony, said that and then just didn't mention it, didn't read that part
her testimony when she testified this week. There was no imminent threat. The
president had obliterated, in his words, their nuclear threat, which was a real
threat. Well, excuse me, but, you know, he said he did, and everybody on the
left then said he's just talking through his ass. We don't know. So which is it?
I don't think it was obliterated.
We don't know.
Let's just say, let's not argue about it. We don't know. They dropped a big
on it. It could have and it could have not. It probably set back a lot. Yes.
progress. That's a good thing. Well, there's multiple objectives here. Look,
there's three top objectives.
First of all, we can go into what happened with the negotiations with
Kushner and Witkoff. So basically, we had offered them and look, and I'll tell
you, you guys should hear this, though, because these are issues affecting
everyone has a right to be concerned because we all saw what happened in
Afghanistan and Iraq.
And that's the generation that so many of us were affected by, to include
myself. And so obviously, there is concern.
And, you know, for a long time, the federal government has done a great
disservice in building up trust with the American people. And so when we're
having these conversations, it's just important to know all the facts. And so
I'm here to share that with you guys. And basically what we.
saw being the case is that we were willing to give them basically an
amount of nuclear energy if they wanted to actually have clean energy. But we
told them, you have to end your enrichment program. That's something
president, since basically 2010 timeframe, has been very clear about.
And ultimately what happened was our intelligence was telling us they were
being faithful within those negotiations.
In addition to that, we were even willing to lift sanctions and trade with
And they still would not accept that. And so if you know that you're going to
get hit, And if you know that you are going to have people die, ultimately
that's a decision that I would never want to have to be in that decision, in
that position as the president. But what I will tell you is I would rather be on
the right side and be able to control the outcome of something that I know is
going to happen regardless.
And I think that this gets into a bigger... I have to agree.
We're not controlling shit.
What are you talking about controlling the outcome? Hold on. We are
controlling...
Respectfully, I disagree because here's the thing. We eliminated their Navy
program. We eliminated their short -range and ballistic missiles program.
still manage it.
But you know where we fucked up? A few places.
One, we're blowing up each other's oil now. They didn't foresee the Strait of
Hermos.
stuff well enough they also didn't understand drones well enough and they
have from the ukrainian war drones are cheap and they can do a lot of damage
even if you knock out their navy and everything else we knocked out we didn't
and also the uprising that we were hoping and i was hoping would come of
and maybe it still will but this is not 1944 in france where you can have an
underground where you can smuggle in guns we live in a surveillance
date now.
So nobody in that underground who might be, and again, it's probably 90 % of the
country in Iran, these poor people have been living under this horrible fascist
theocracy.
These people can't smuggle guns in. I mean, maybe somebody's got a plan there.
But in a surveillance state, this uprising, it's been strangled in the
far. Well, to be clear, the United States and President Trump made it very
that we were not going after certain targeted fields, specifically with
production. And I think that this gets into the relationship between Israel.
Well, we're doing that now.
Well, if you look at what happened, President Trump just came out and said,
know, especially with our ally Qatar.
We know that they are basically, I think, one of the instrumental pieces in
Abraham Accords, and we want to maintain that alliance. And this gets into, I
think, a bigger discussion with President Trump's current relationship
Russia and China.
But look, specifically to that, we never, and our objectives for this are
completely different from Israel's. And so when you look at the ability that
President Trump has been able to, on a number of occasions, push back on Bibi
Netanyahu, who has admittedly been very aggressive in certain instances.
What do you make of this split in the MAGA movement? Do you think there is
Well, not my movement.
Well, I would say as an American, this is your country, so you should engage in
that. I care desperately about my country, Congresswoman. I don't give a
patootie about the MAGA movement.
At least one podcaster is arguing with another podcaster.
I don't care. This is what I care about.
You mentioned Russia. Russia really is our enemy.
President Trump listed sanctions on Putin and his oil industry when oil is
high. He lifted sanctions on Iran today.
Putin is the big winner. I'll get into the background.
Let him answer this. Putin is the big winner.
He's going to make a pile of money off this. All the other allies, the G7
countries all said, oh, God, don't lift those sanctions on Putin. He'll make a
fortune. Now Putin is sending a huge oil tanker with 970 ,000 barrels of oil
to supply the Cubans.
It's going to arrive at Havana Harbor, and we're going to have a showdown.
And this president has blown up a lot of speedboats full of cocaine. Okay.
He needs to confront Putin in the ocean with that tanker and stop it and turn it
around or sink it to the bottom of the ocean.
Show some respect for Putin for once in your life. He attacked everybody.
He attacked his own vice president, Mike Pence. He attacked the Pope. He
attacked Oprah.
But he never attacked Putin.
And this is something I really do want. I'm sorry to be so hawkish.
But he needs to, for once, show some spine with our greatest enemy, which is
Vladimir Putin.
Let me ask you the question now, because the way I see this MAGA split
is like this kind of like MAGA classic.
And they say, you know, they feel betrayed because he was like the no new
guy. Okay, you know this.
Okay. I know the argument.
Okay, that's the argument, is that he didn't keep to his principles. And then
there's the other people who say, well, he never had any principles.
That's not why we love him. We love him because we trust his judgment, and we
love him because he's flexible. That's why he's different than everybody else.
He can turn on a dime.
And sometimes that is a good thing.
Sometimes that is a good thing. But you have now this guy, Joe Kent.
Who was Joe Kent? He was the head of...
national something.
He quit this week. It was a big story. I think he was the counterintelligence
guy. And he said, I can't go along with this because, you know what, he's been
listening to too much Tucker Carlson.
You know, the Jews made us do it.
It's just another version of anti -Semitism that comes out. First it was
then it was their colonizers and genocide, which it wasn't, and all these
reasons, like you can't have a state in the world that's based on religion, even
though there's like 46 Muslim countries that are based on religion. Some have
the name right in the title of the country. But whatever it is, you have
these. And now the big answer is, no, Israel made us do it. We're Israel's
bitch.
I don't think we're Israel's bitch. I think we're Israel's ally.
But, you know, if I have to be on one side of this magazine, either Trump or
Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and Nick Fuente, I'll be with Trump on this one.
Because that's...
That's the other side of MAGA.
To speak to what you're asking about, so the split that was occurring was
operating on the assumption that there would be boots on the ground, which
President Trump just issued a statement today, that we are winding down
operations. I mean, even speaking to what will happen, he also had mentioned
when he was actually heading out of the White House with Marco Rubio just
earlier today that he also, I believe, had talked to the president of China to
potentially... enlist their help with the Strait of Hormuz. And I think right
now what we're seeing is that a lot of people that were pushing this narrative
that President Trump was somehow going to engage in a forever war, as you are
seeing as of today's statement, that was factually inaccurate and incorrect.
But how do we get the oil when the Strait of Hormuz is blocked? Why are we
inviting China to militarize the Strait of Hormuz? That's a terrible idea.
China's our enemy too.
You're not incorrect in saying that. China is one of the greatest threats.
that I believe that we are currently facing.
But if you look at what President Trump has been able to accomplish easily, and
I will kind of, I guess, full circle answer your question, but...
President Trump never, first of all, you can't tell him what to do, period.
Why not?
Believe me.
I have been trying, but no, no, no.
You cannot. And so this idea and notion that Bibi Netanyahu is telling him what
to do is completely wrong. But I do want to speak to something that you had
pointed out.
Israel is our ally, yes. And if you look at these relationships as friendships,
if you have a friend, a good friend will have your back, but an even better
friend will tell you. when you're in the wrong or hold you accountable.
And so President Trump has been able to do that with Bibi Netanyahu. Israel is
on the front line of a war that we're also part of, okay?
And, you know, if you... I've asked this of other people, you know, if you had
to live somewhere in the Middle East, you'd live in Tel Aviv.
You probably wouldn't live in any other city, and I don't think your wife would
like to.
So if you're not down with that... Well, this is something that my party has to
address to you. Your party has a terrible rift over Israel and anti
but so does mine.
Let's be honest. Great. I tell all my liberal friends, who had a bigger pride
parade, Tel Aviv or Tehran?
Right? Who has a free press?
Who has elections? I don't support Netanyahu. I went over there and worked
Bushy Herzog.
I can tell you firsthand they have a thriving democracy and a free press.
Democracies can self -correct. I think they're on the wrong track. I think
America's on the wrong track. We can self -correct with our elections.
Hamas can't self -correct. So my side, too, has to really find a way, I think,
to reestablish the liberal values that the U .S.-Israel relationship is based
on.
I got to pause here because we try to cover all the issues.
Well, if I could see, when you're done, I would like to talk on the peace deal
aspect, though, because I think in this notion of... No, we're going to move on
to Cuba. Okay.
I'll incorporate it then, Bill.
But first up, this is not the only thing that's going on in the world. I don't
know if you know this, but the kids aren't having sex.
How's that for a segue?
It's spring break. Look at that headline. Nearly half of Gen Z adults
had sex. I keep reading this story every week that the young people don't have
sex. This is one story I could never predict that I would hear.
Young people sex. I thought that was an automatic.
Apparently not. But it's spring break time. This is when you should be having
sex. So the kids, they're like pandas. We can't get them to mate.
Really, it's spring break.
We can't get Ling Ling to fuck Tim Tung, so we came up with some, you know, it's
a PSA, some posters to help the kids understand sex is not a bad thing. Would
you like to see them? I'm curious.
Sex,
you can even.
Don't think of it as sex. Call it the Hide the Salami Challenge.
Sex, the most fun you can have without your phone. Yeah, well, that's still a
tough sell.
If you like 6 -7, why don't you try 6 -9?
You love Stranger Things, now show a stranger your thing.
Have sex now instead of waiting till you're fucked by Social Security.
An argument.
Sex. You don't have to make eye contact if you do it doggy style.
And sex. You can still post while you're doing it. Well, that's important.
Let's talk about Cuba. This must be important to you, right? That's where
family's from? We're Mexican. Not all the same, Bill. Oh, I'm sorry.
Who's got jokes now?
Bad information. Not my fault.
Okay. But Cuba's in the news. And Trump says, just tell me which one of these
quotes you think is okay. First he said, maybe we'll have a friendly takeover of
Cuba. And again, this is based sort of as a bank shot from Venezuela. We took
over Venezuela, and you've got to say, it's kind of a win so far.
I mean, that ain't a disaster.
And the oil that Cuba was getting from Venezuela is not coming
anymore. So they're saying that Cuba is in crisis.
But Cuba's been in crisis for 67 years.
Maybe this is the thing that turns them.
So Trump first said, maybe we'll have a friendly takeover of Cuba. Well, that
sounds nice.
Then he said, I am holding Cuba. We're going to do Iran before Cuba.
You know, like it's a threesome in a porn video.
I'm going to do you, and then you do them. Okay, all right. No, I'm not
that. Then he said, I do believe I'll have the honor of taking Cuba.
And then this week, I can take it. I can do anything I want with it.
If you're a star, they let you do it. I mean, does he have to talk like a
pirate?
Wouldn't it be better if he didn't say things like that?
There's always a side deal also.
I mean, again, some of these things that he's doing, I'm not against, but the
way he does it, what... Well, I will say that I reached out to the White House.
to chat with them about that. And as of right now, I think that, you know,
President Trump has been brilliant in the way that he has communicated.
It might seem a little bit crazy to people here, but these leaders do take
seriously. And as a result of what he's been doing in Venezuela and other
countries as well, I think that there is very much so a serious conversation
happening with leadership in Cuba. With Castro's grandson.
Does everything have to be a Nepo baby? I mean, the Ayatollah, we had to get his
kid. Have you seen Congress?
Is it full of Nepos? There's a lot of nationalists and insider traders, but I
think that's a separate conversation.
He's only been president 14 months, and he's attacked seven countries.
And how many peace deals have he done? Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Syria, Nigeria,
Venezuela, and Yemen.
Some of those other Democrats attacked. Some of them may have, but seven. And he
wants the Nobel Peace Prize. And you say, maybe they'll have negotiations.
good. But one of the problems in Iran...
He sent in against the Persians, against the Iranians, people, the best
negotiators in the world, even Trump says, President Trump says that.
He sends in Dumb and Dumber, some New York real estate guy and his son -in
I don't know jack and stoochie about this.
Wait a second.
Are they not the same people who did the Abraham Accords? They are the same
people. They're not the Gulf states, too.
OK, but, you know, I mean, I feel like, you know, can we just judge things by
what they are and not just what my team is doing? Now we have a war because they
were. Well, we have a war for three weeks. I don't know. Right now, again,
president has announced no boots on the ground and they're winding down
operations. What I will say. He does a lot of things. No, I'm I'm fairly
that that's. going to happen. He chucks up a lot of shots. Some of them go in,
some don't. But to be clear, look, if the president wanted World War III,
he would have listened to the war pimps in Congress that were advocating for him
to get in a direct conflict with Russia.
And remember, we gave...
many munitions to ukraine we had our troops in poland it is there is and
no imminent threat for russia there is a different strategy here i mean i call
it hit it and quit it whatever it is like he left the person in venezuela the
vice president there and it's like OK, can we work with you? Now he's got the
Castro grandson.
Can you take over this country and we don't undo the whole country? Can you
morph into something more reasonable? It's a little like the way he did
You know, he wouldn't really buy the hotel. He'd let you run it. They just
the Trump name on it.
Branded now the Trump property and they let you still run the kitchen.
I think what you're finding is a lot of the.
ideologies and perspectives behind what's happening specifically in the
Hemisphere are focused on pushing out the Chinese.
And I will say this, that I do hope, and I know that you don't think that
they're great, but I will say that Mr. Witkoff and Jared Kushner have also been
instrumental in opening up the channels of communication to index the war in
Ukraine. And I do believe that President Trump will be able to pull off a peace
deal. And I will say that I have also been able to reach out and have
discussions. We don't, and we should always be leading with the perspective
at least opening up communication. for those peace talks. You should never lead
with a war -first perspective.
And unfortunately, too many in Washington on both sides are personally
benefiting and enriching themselves off of their stock portfolios tied to some
of these defense contractors that are getting massive government contracts for
war. And so what I will say is having had those conversations with the
and having had those conversations with the people in powers that be, I just
don't think it's fair to give and label a blanket statement on the matter
because I do literally see this administration working on the board of
working to shore up even... though Israel might not get along with places
you know, Qatar, etc., they're still able to thread the needle and actually
bring peace to that region. And I think that you will see that this is going to
be a net positive in the weeks coming.
Yeah, that's very possible.
I mean, I certainly didn't think we were going to be where we were two years
ago, where Israel was making peace with its Arab neighbors. I mean, they did
have a different way to approach it.
Before we lose time here, this is a big story that happened this week that I
really want to get to. And it's a sad story. It's a Cesar Chavez story. But I
keep reading these stories.
I mean, Bill Cosby, then we had Weinstein, Epstein.
And the question that keeps coming into my mind is, why?
Did it take so long?
How do these people get away with it? Because many people, I know they knew
about Bill Cosby. I know they knew about Weinstein.
Why do so many people keep the secret of monsters for so long?
I think it's really hard, and I see this in Congress. As you know, we just voted
recently on releasing a congressional slush fund to pay off victims of sexual
harassment by members of Congress.
And overwhelmingly on both sides, I think it was maybe only 70 members of
Congress, me being one of them, that actually voted. to release those funds.
And I think that it's really hard to take on institutions of power,
when the corruption is coming from the top down.
But we ended up actually being able to subpoena those records and we'll be
releasing them. But that's just, I think, a small micro scale. And if
happening in Congress, where we're supposed to be writing the laws for the
country, that to me tells me that there's too much consolidated corruption
we need better, younger people without this freak mentality to be running for
office. Better, younger.
Thank you.
I read that story about Cesar Chavez, and I think the Times has it nailed, and
they ought to be saluted for the five years of journalism that went into
producing that story.
And I had no idea. Nobody had any idea.
But I will say, as a liberal,
my people are scraping the name of a sexual abuser off of buildings while
is putting Trump's name on the Kennedy Center, who was found guilty, liable as
civil case, liable in a court of law.
for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll.
He was.
And he had a fair trial. He had a good lawyer. He put up a vigorous defense.
I'd be very careful about that statement.
I would be very careful about that statement because there's nothing to
someone that claims that you assaulted them 20 years ago. You might not have
anything to do with it. And, look, I'll be honest with you. I've seen a lot of
corruption within the court systems. I'd be very careful about that statement.
Okay, but can I ask you this? You were the... Speaking of...
Predators and child molesters, you were one of the people who wanted the Epstein
Files release, which was good. Okay, then you have Hillary Clinton come in. I
mean, this is like three gazillion pages of men behaving badly, and the witness
you want is a woman. Hey, she was issued a bipartisan subpoena, meaning the
Democrats wanted her in too, because Bill Clinton was all over those logs.
So you would have been against that, bringing Hillary in? No, I voted for the
subpoena as well. But what did she have to do with it? She never met the guy.
And again, for something that's all about men behaving badly, the first
you had, you don't think that's a bad look? I think the question for her was
specifically because he was a big donor to the Clinton Foundation. But I want to
point out something that a lot of people aren't talking about.
I actually read the names, and other women have as well, confirmed this,
specifically other members that saw the unredacted files.
the most egregious emails that you saw talking about girls ages 10 and 11,
talking about mocking a little girl who was praying.
Those came from women. The only co -conspirator currently sitting in jail
Ghislaine Maxwell.
There were other women that were co -conspirators and given plea deals to
testify, and they were let off.
And that was a gross, I think, breach of justice.
No, they were actual co -conspirators.
And then they were given plea deals for testifying, and they were let off.
And so what I'm saying and what I do think the Department of Justice should
because this happened and started under Bush 1 .0, and that was wrong. And then
it continued. They had the files.
Then we had files.
allegedly evidence destruction under the former deputy director, then the actual
facility in New York that has some of the files was actually cyber attacked.
there's a lot going into this. And we can get at the whole Jeffrey Epstein
because I actually talked to Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton specifically
that, presenting them with the actual document that showed that he had a
complete other alias, like separate conversation.
But the point is, is that those women.
You get a lot of information that we don't all have.
I'm happy to come back. No, I know. And I think I should. I really do.
Well, we want you. I appreciate it.
Last question.
Okay, the SAVE Act. This is the one about voting. Trump wants to get rid of
and wants to get rid of mail -in voting. He says we are the only country in the
world that allows this.
Actually, it's 34 countries that allow this.
But everyone can make a small mistake.
It's not like him to just pull it out of his ass.
And he also wants picture ID. You know,
83 % of independents, 71 % of Democrats, and 76 % of black
voters are okay with this. We could have a grand bargain.
Couldn't we?
Like, how about Election Day is a national holiday? I agree with that.
Really? Round of applause. We should give an applause. I can't believe it.
picture ID.
Right. And we'll pay for it. The government will pay. Because some people
because a lot of people can't vote because they just don't have it and they
can't afford it. A passport costs $165.
Couldn't we just get one win on the board with this kind of shit without
games? Paul.
Democrats should agree to voter ID, period.
I like that. They should.
36 states already have voter ID. I live in Virginia. We have it. The Democrats
just won a landslide and elected the first black speaker of the Virginia
Assembly. So it's not some racist thing. It's not.
So they ought to do that. But then Republicans, I think, would be for same
voter registration.
Walk in, show your ID, register, and vote right then. You can go into Costco.
and join the club that day and then buy toilet paper in five minutes, why the
hell can't I go vote?
Right? You can also go to ID to buy beer. There's stuff in there. There's
in there that's terrible. Trump wants every state to give him all of their
rolls, all of their voter files, all of their information. Hell no.
No. The Constitution puts states in charge of elections. So he's got a lot
stuff in there that he's trying to, I think, sneak through so he can suppress
elections. In the Senate, they actually...
Well, they just actually in the Senate did a vote on voter ID and it failed.
Democrats voted against it. There's a lot of games in the Senate and I've been
nuking my own party. So, look, we're not perfect. But what I will tell you is
this is an 80 -20 issue, just like banning insider trading. And the
establishment in control is blocking it. If you cannot do your job in the Senate
and get voter ID passed, proof of citizenship, you should find a different
because the American people, black, white, Hispanic, Democrat, Republican,
independent want this. And it is a failure if we cannot get this over with.
I .B., that's fine.
If it's a federal takeover, it's not. And by the way, the whole passport
half of the American people don't have a passport.
And I got news for you. The half that don't, they voted for Trump more than
Kamala. He's going to hurt his own party.
I'm an American before I'm a Democrat. I think this hurts Republicans more.
Let's just say we've made a nice start. Okay.
Time for new rules, everybody.
New rules.
Okay, new rule. If you were shocked by the viral photo of the Hollywood Theater
where the Oscars took place, covered in trash after the event, you must admit
you've never been to Hollywood.
If you don't live here, you probably don't know, but Hollywood is not exactly
the most upscale part of Los Angeles.
But if you do visit, be sure to check out my star on the Walk of Fame.
It's easy to find, it's right next to Mickey Rourke. Not the star, actually
Mickey Rourke.
Now that we know, by their constant public appearances together, that Kim
-un's 13 -year -old daughter, Kim Joo -hye, is definitely his successor, North
Koreans better hope Kim doesn't die anytime soon, because if you think an
-fisted dictator can be mean, just wait till it's a teenage girl.
There were all the New Zealand school teacher who was caught recording a porn
video in her classroom where she urinates on some kid's hat that she got
the lost and found.
Must retire immediately.
I don't know who I feel sorry for. The kid who watched and said, hey, that's my
teacher. Or the kid who watched and said, hey, that's my hat.
Someone must tell the man in this viral video who surprises his girlfriend with
a marriage proposal, and she's so overjoyed, she blurts out, shut the fuck
That as special as this moment is for both of you, it's probably not the last
time you're going to hear, shut the fuck up.
Well, now that Cash Patel had someone make him a customized pair of Nikes
featuring the FBI motto on the back, a Marvel Comics Punisher skull, a
personalized Cash monogram on the tongue, and a number nine on the side
he's the ninth FBI director, someone has to tell him, this is making us miss the
old days when the FBI director just wore a dress.
Finally, new rule, you don't have to react to everything or have a hot take
everything or care if someone says they don't like cats.
You know, it wasn't that long ago when the most banal question you could ever
ask someone was, are you a cat person or a dog person? Well, those innocent days
are over, as actors Paul Meskel and Jesse Buckley found out recently when
were asked that and said they don't like cats.
And the internet coughed up a furball of rage.
How dare they? They don't like cats, but I do. Then one of us must die.
Jesse Buckley even said she made her husband give their cat away.
So what? They gave it away. They didn't have it sewn into a coat.
They're not trying to outlaw cats. They're not eating them like Haitians.
They just said they don't like them. That's allowed.
People are allowed to have an opinion you don't share without you reacting.
It's just a cloud.
Let it pass.
But no, that's not how a certain kind of people these days think. For them,
having a phone to post from...
is like hosting a one -person episode of The View that never ends.
Remember that the next time you read the words Twitter reacts or backlash erupts
or Internet explodes, the Internet didn't explode.
Some Gen Z loser at the Daily Beast and some right -wing shitposter exploded.
No one else cared.
The media would have you think that we're all at each other's throats all
time, but it's actually just a tiny minority who are on and in media and
media and who just want to fight and bitch about everything, leaving the
impression that America is hopelessly divided.
But most people aren't hopelessly trapped in a news silo. They're
trapped in a minivan telling the kids, shut up, I can't hear myself think.
Twitter, eck, now, only has 1 out of 10 Americans visit it daily. 80 % of us
don't even have it.
Sure, it has 500 million posts every day, but half of them come from the
Turns out, it really is like a town square, specifically Times
Square in the 70s.
Dirty, sketchy, and mostly full of perverts and losers with nothing better
do. Yes, I'm looking at you, all the people who lost it because Timothee
Chalamet said no one cares about opera and ballet.
Which prompted so many who have never been to the ballet or opera with no
to go to rise up and say, I have a dog in this fight.
Me, I don't. I went to the ballet once, and I loved it. Because in the age of
anxiety we live in, it was so great to get that kind of really deep, deep
You just wake up so refreshed.
I kid ballet, and I'm sure it's a great place to meet anorexics.
Most people are watching Dancing with the Stars.
That's why tonight I am asking the American Psychiatric Association to add
disorder to the diagnostic manual of mental disorders.
Terminally online disease.
P .O .D. or Todd.
People experience...
People experiencing Todd feel intense emotional distress from spending all day
doom -scrolling on their phone. And these people need your help, because
doesn't just affect those who suffer from it. It also affects their families
loved ones who aren't terminally online.
These are the ones we call people who have shit to do.
Unlike people who suffer from Todd, people who have shit to do.
Don't imagine that expressing an opinion on everything makes them the solution
to America's problems.
Now here's how you know.
I like you.
Here's how you know if you suffer from Todd. If the daily outrage cycle becomes
your entire personality, and you scroll all day to find the outrage, then
screenshot the thread, then post the screenshot with the caption, this.
Okay.
People with real lives don't do this.
Because they've got shit to do. They haven't poured over every email in the
Epstein files because they have their own mail to sort through, like the
electric bill and the gas bill.
Right now... Right now, there's a big fight going on between
Megyn Kelly and Ben Shapiro about Candace Owens. And as it plays out, it's
important to remember that the most common reaction to it from Americans
I don't know who any of these people are, and I don't know what the fuck
talking about.
During most primetime nights, less than 1 % of the country is watching Fox News,
CNN, and MSNOW combined.
Combined. A guy on TikTok pressure washing his driveway gets bigger
76 % of Americans watch less than one hour of any cable news in a month.
You thought opera was getting its ass kicked.
If you ask most Americans what their opinion of Tulsi Gabbard is, their
is going to be, what's a Tulsi Gabbard?
They don't care that Bad Bunny sang in Spanish at the Super Bowl.
And they're completely unaware that they're supposed to be boycotting Target
Chick -fil -A.
Here's the criteria they use when deciding where to go for chicken.
How's the chicken?
They don't know who Stephen Miller is. They don't watch the show about the gay
hockey player.
And if they had to guess, they'd say MS Now is a multiple sclerosis charity.
And Fox and Friends is a children's cartoon show.
Their lives don't revolve around having a hot take on every stupid thing. Katy
Perry went to space and now she's the worst person on earth.
Pineapple doesn't belong on pizza. You know what? You're arguing about these
things. Here's the hottest take of all. Who gives a shit?
Here's my take.
Eat some fruit.
If God wanted us to have an opinion on everything, he wouldn't have given us
shrug emoji.
Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. I want to thank Paul Begala,
Representative Paul, Anna Paulina Luna, and Tristan Harris.
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