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Before we get into
the deep stuff, let's just talk,
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let's give some basics.
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Remember, when you're answering
these questions,
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I'm not in the shot
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and they're never gonna hear
my voice.
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Oh, boy. OK.
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The first
word that I would use to
describe Jeffrey Epstein
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other than a predator
is 'mysterious'.
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How did he become so wealthy?
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How did he ingratiate
himself into the exact
right social circles?
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How did he get away without
being caught for so long?
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I never
could have anticipated
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how diabolical
Jeffrey Epstein was.
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There's something
deeply fucked up with you.
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At least something.
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We know there are things
deeply fucked up
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you will get through
in this film, right?
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Where I come from
you don't kill my brother
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and walk away from that.
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What are the Epstein files?
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The Epstein files
are all the information
that the government has
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regarding Jeffrey Epstein
and his co-conspirators.
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Photographic evidence,
interviews of victims.
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Emails written to him,
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text messages.
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Court
documents, FBI reports.
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And it is much more expansive
than you had ever even imagined.
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People want to see names.
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They want to know
who the sex traffickers are.
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They want to know who
the paedophiles are
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and they want vengeance.
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Do you know the names
of powerful people
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who have not yet
been named publicly?
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Yes.
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Congressman Khanna!
Hello, I'm Grace Tobin...
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Nice to see you.
...from Australia.
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Why do you think
it's a fight that has united
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a very divided
political spectrum here?
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You can't rape underage girls.
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You can't cover that up.
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Trump opened
up Pandora's box.
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He thought that he could crack
it open slightly and shut it.
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But the curse
is not going back into the box.
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I don't understand why
the President fought it so hard.
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Releasing the Epstein files
is about revealing
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all of that dirty, nasty,
horrible things that happened.
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Why would he cover this up?
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I think he's protecting
rich and powerful men
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who participated
in sex trafficking.
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3 million pages,
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180,000 images.
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The latest dump
from the Epstein files
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after weeks of
political pressure.
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That moment
created global shock waves.
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A day of extreme
jeopardy for Sir Keir Starmer.
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Norway's
Crown Princess is
facing intense scrutiny.
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Extraordinary news
out of the UK.
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The former Prince Andrew
has been arrested.
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The Epstein files
are part of the Epstein story.
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You have to understand how
the Epstein files fit in
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to what Epstein was doing,
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and the failures of the US
government in doing their job.
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The Epstein story
has one man at its centre,
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one spider in the
centre of the web.
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But that web could not
have been constructed
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without complicity.
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Do you think
you're the devil himself?
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No. But I do have a good mirror.
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We are going to turn
now to the debate in Washington
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over the release
of the Jeffrey Epstein files.
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Today, a group of survivors
of the Epstein controversy
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will be here on Capitol Hill.
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Urgent new calls for
transparency from
Epstein survivors,
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24 of whom are now
re-upping their demand
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that Congress release
all of the Epstein files.
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It's an
honour to stand here
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for something America
is finally united on -
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the immediate release
of the entire Epstein files.
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There's approximately
1,200 women that were
victims of Jeffrey Epstein
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and they say other men.
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They've wanted justice and
they fought very hard for it.
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We are more than victims.
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We are mothers, daughters,
sisters, friends.
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And we will not be erased.
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Some of these women
have been at this 20 years.
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Some of them had, I believe,
almost given up.
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But the fact that they
were invited to the capital
of the United States
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to speak truth to power,
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and that every media outlet,
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you know, showed up, they're
renewed in their efforts.
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This is me when I met
Jeffrey Epstein in 1991.
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This is me when I met
Jeffrey Epstein.
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A lot of us, it was
the first time that we
had spoken publicly.
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My name is Dani Bensky.
This was me at 17 years old.
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So we were just kind of standing
in solidarity with each other
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and saying to the world,
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like, "There's more of us
than you thought."
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My name is Marina Lacerda.
I was minor victim one.
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My name is Gena-Lisa Jones
and I was only 14 years old.
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My name is Chauntae Davis.
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My name is Laura Bloom McGee.
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My name is Haley Robson.
My name is Anoushka De Georgiou.
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My name is Courtney Wild.
My name is Lisa Phillips.
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My name is Ashley Rubright
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and I am a survivor of Jeffrey
Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
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When you're a survivor of abuse
from a serial predator,
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you just have this bond
with the other survivors.
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We understand each other
like nobody else can.
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It's been a tremendous
mountain to move to get here.
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{\an8}It took an incredible outcry
from the public,
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huge political will,
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and it took the blood, sweat
and tears of the survivors.
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And that's many, many tears
from the survivors to get here.
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So we're just heading in
to meet with Ashley Rubright,
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who is a survivor
of Jeffrey Epstein.
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And she's only just started
speaking out publicly
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about what happened to her.
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We're this house here.
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Hi, Ashley. How are you?
Good. How are you?
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It's nice to meet you.
So nice to meet you. Come in.
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Thank you so much for having us.
Of course.
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Oh, it's still very Christmassy
in here, isn't it?
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Yes.
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When did you meet
Jeffrey Epstein?
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So it was about 2002 to 2003
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and I would have
been... about 15.
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I was going to
Summit Christian School.
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I was a cheerleader.
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I was in dance,
like jazz, hip-hop, ballet.
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Um, I was working
at a barbecue restaurant
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and one of my coworkers,
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{\an8}he asked me one day
in the restaurant
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{\an8}if I would like to give a man
a massage for $200.
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I thought about it for a second
and said, "Sure."
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I just remember pulling
into his house in Palm Beach.
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And we were led
into the kitchen.
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And then Sarah Kellen came in,
his assistant.
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Said it was time.
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Then Sarah, she's the one
that led me upstairs.
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I didn't look around.
I was just looking down.
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So all I remember was the pink
carpet on the spiral staircase.
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And she opened the door
and said, "Alright, I'll
be back in an hour."
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I was shocked when I walked
into the bathroom.
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But then I calmed myself down,
thinking,
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"Of course, he's naked because
that's how people get massages
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"and I should just
not be so shocked."
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He just kind of
laid on the table.
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And then he told me
how to massage him.
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Then he flipped over.
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And...
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That's... Things got...
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...really way more inappropriate
there.
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And he asked me to...
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...to take off my bra and...
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...to pull up my skirt
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and...
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He was touching himself
the whole time.
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I was just trying not to look.
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And he would grab me,
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grab my behind and...
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I was just trying to
not be there, you know,
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{\an8}at that time.
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{\an8}And...
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{\an8}...he finished and hopped up.
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{\an8}And...
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{\an8}...then Sarah came in
and led me back downstairs.
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I felt shocked.
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And then I remember...
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...trying to rationalise it.
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It had to have just been
like a fluke, a one time...
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...thing that he just
couldn't control.
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I did go back one more time.
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The second time, it escalated.
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I just remembered Jeffrey
bringing over a basket
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and asking me to pick
one and asking me if
I knew how to use it.
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And...
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...he had me sit
on the bathroom floor
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and he sat on the edge
of the massage table.
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And I remember what happened.
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A basket of sex toys?
Yes.
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Thank you for saying that.
Yeah. That's OK.
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So this was 2000.
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And these are all just,
like, happy messages.
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I read some of my yearbooks
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and it was such
a drastic change.
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Right after Jeffrey,
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the messages, even my face.
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Everything had started
to just look darker.
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This one says, "We had fun
when you're not so mad."
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or, "You're sweet
when you're not mad." Yeah.
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{\an8}I was angry, and I...
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{\an8}...I didn't care who got
the brunt of it, at all.
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Yeah.
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I stopped cheerleading,
I stopped dance.
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And I kind of went from, like...
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...trying to do good
to just not caring.
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Did you tell anyone
what happened to you?
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Just my friend Sean
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but nobody else.
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I didn't think there was a story
to tell, really, you know?
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Mr Epstein, is it true you
were born January 20th, 1953?
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Yes.
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Where?
New York.
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Where in New York.
Brooklyn.
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Hey, Adam.
Hi, Grace.
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How are you?
Pleasure to meet you.
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Nice to meet you too. Thanks
so much for doing this with us.
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My pleasure, my pleasure.
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Adam, can you tell me
a bit about yourself?
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Well, I've been a legal
journalist for close
to two decades now,
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and the Southern District of
New York was my long-time beat.
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So you see a lot of cases
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of national and
international significance
going into that court.
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And one of them just happened
to be Epstein's.
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We are in Coney Island.
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Coney Island, Brooklyn.
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We're right near
where Jeffrey Epstein grew up.
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And this is actually
the Sea Gate community
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in the distance right there,
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Jeffrey Epstein's
childhood home.
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Jeffrey Epstein had
a modest upbringing
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in an immigrant community
in Brooklyn.
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His father worked at the New
York City Parks Department.
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His mother worked at a school.
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And he had a younger brother,
Mark.
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He had a lifelong fascination
with math
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and by all accounts,
was pretty good at it.
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This is The Dalton Prep School.
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It is where he
got his first job.
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Even though he was
a college dropout,
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his first job was at
a very prestigious school
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where he was a math teacher.
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One of the parents of a student
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introduced him to
the CEO of Bear Stearns,
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a man named Ace Greenberg,
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where he got his first job
on Wall Street.
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We are on Wall Street,
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where Jeffrey Epstein
made his fortune.
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He was, by all accounts,
very charming.
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Jeffrey Epstein tried to,
throughout his life,
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make connections with people
with money and power.
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He was able to get people
to trust him very quickly.
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He won the trust of billionaires
like Leslie Wexner,
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who gave him power of attorney.
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He won the trust of Leon Black,
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who paid him
hundreds of millions of dollars,
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far above the market rate.
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And from there, uh,
there is a lot of mystery,
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but we're getting a picture
more and more
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of him finagling people,
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uh, wheeling and dealing,
254
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and ultimately became
fabulously wealthy.
255
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This is Jeffrey Epstein's Upper
East Side townhouse mansion
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and the famous, uh,
lantern over the door.
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He had a massage room in there.
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He had the dining room,
where he entertained.
259
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I mean, the photos
really do tell the story.
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Jeffrey Epstein met Ghislaine
Maxwell in the early 1990s.
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As the daughter of a media
tycoon, with a British accent,
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she brought something that
Jeffrey Epstein didn't have -
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access to the elite.
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Have you got drinks?
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They socialised with politicians
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with big names in academia,
finance, you name it.
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Whether it was the man known
at the time as Prince Andrew.
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Or whether it was
former president Bill Clinton.
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He had his private island
in the US Virgin Islands,
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a ranch outside of Santa Fe,
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property in Palm Beach
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and in Paris.
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He was flaunting his
jet-setting lifestyle
and his massive wealth.
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Look at me
like you love me.
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I can't wait.
276
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OK, so now I'm walking towards
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the lily pond.
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I'm here on the beach by myself.
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This is my swimming
pool - my beach.
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No-one's allowed to dock here.
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The luncheon place.
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The nursery.
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At the point there
is the library.
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It's an honour
to stand here again
285
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for something
America is finally united on.
286
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The immediate release
of the entire Epstein files.
287
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So these are just
my modelling pictures.
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Mm-hm.
Like, when I started out.
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This is when I was 17.
290
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I would send these to modelling
agencies to get started.
291
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I was a fashion
model in New York,
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had worked my way up
since I was 15 or 16 years old.
293
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So this was from the actual week
I met Jeffrey.
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Ah.
295
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The year 2000 and I had booked,
like, a really big job.
296
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Our agent at the time, Jeff,
sent us to Tortola
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on the Caribbean Sea.
298
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Tortola was a small island.
299
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There was really not that much
to do there.
300
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So the other model was
like, "You know, we have
a free day tomorrow."
301
00:20:05,862 --> 00:20:09,448
She suggested we
go see her friend, you
know, Jeffrey Epstein,
302
00:20:09,448 --> 00:20:11,407
that owned an island nearby.
303
00:20:12,784 --> 00:20:15,035
Yeah, we were both,
like maybe 22 years old.
304
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Spent the day just,
like, playing in the
pool, in the ocean.
305
00:20:19,705 --> 00:20:23,750
And there I met
two other young blonde girls.
306
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Went to dinner that evening,
and I met Jeffrey Epstein.
307
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He was laser focused on me
308
00:20:31,714 --> 00:20:35,258
and asking so many questions
about my childhood
309
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and my dreams and aspirations.
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I had told him in that time
that we had shared on the island
311
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that I wanted to
be a Ford model,
312
00:20:42,722 --> 00:20:45,350
and I kind of built up
this trust with this man.
313
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Getting ready to go to
sleep, there just was
a knock at the door,
314
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and one of the other young girls
poked her head in and was like,
315
00:20:54,773 --> 00:20:56,858
"Jeffrey's ready
for his massage now."
316
00:20:56,858 --> 00:20:59,276
And I'm just like, "OK, well,
you go ahead, I'm going to bed."
317
00:20:59,402 --> 00:21:03,029
And she was just like,
"No, he said for you
to give the massage."
318
00:21:05,407 --> 00:21:07,533
Long story short,
like, I just had to go.
319
00:21:09,785 --> 00:21:14,038
And so I experienced, you know,
sexual abuse that evening, um,
320
00:21:14,038 --> 00:21:17,958
from Jeffrey and the other girl
that was there.
321
00:21:39,765 --> 00:21:42,684
I think when you're younger,
you always blame yourself.
322
00:21:42,809 --> 00:21:44,644
Like, "What did I do?
Was I flirting with this guy?"
323
00:21:44,769 --> 00:21:47,730
Like, I went home and
I wanted nothing to do
with him after that.
324
00:21:48,897 --> 00:21:51,983
And a few months had passed
and he called me.
325
00:21:55,027 --> 00:21:58,613
A lot of my modelling castings
would be here in Soho.
326
00:21:58,613 --> 00:22:00,656
Right up here, when I was
walking, right up here
327
00:22:00,781 --> 00:22:02,824
was where I got the call
from Jeffrey.
328
00:22:02,824 --> 00:22:07,286
He was very brief and to the
point that he had remembered,
329
00:22:07,286 --> 00:22:09,747
you know, my goals and ambitions
that I told him on the island -
330
00:22:09,747 --> 00:22:12,498
that I wanted to be a Ford
model, big dream of mine,
331
00:22:12,498 --> 00:22:15,459
and that he knew the owner
of the Ford Modelling Agency
332
00:22:15,459 --> 00:22:17,753
and for me to go over there
and meet with her.
333
00:22:18,961 --> 00:22:20,379
And I was just thinking,
334
00:22:20,504 --> 00:22:23,298
whatever happened to me
on the island wasn't good,
335
00:22:23,298 --> 00:22:25,383
but maybe he was trying
to make up for it,
336
00:22:25,508 --> 00:22:28,218
you know, by saying,
"I remember your goal,
337
00:22:28,218 --> 00:22:29,845
"well, I can help you out."
338
00:22:30,845 --> 00:22:32,305
During that time,
339
00:22:32,305 --> 00:22:35,349
were you ever abused
by Epstein again
340
00:22:35,474 --> 00:22:38,518
or any men in his orbit?
341
00:22:38,643 --> 00:22:40,686
So, yeah, I was
abused by him again.
342
00:22:40,686 --> 00:22:42,854
And through his connections
343
00:22:42,854 --> 00:22:45,732
where he would sent me
on auditions and things.
344
00:22:45,857 --> 00:22:49,109
But back then, I wasn't aware
that I was trafficked.
345
00:22:51,527 --> 00:22:55,614
Can you explain a bit more
about how the trafficking
operation worked?
346
00:22:55,614 --> 00:22:58,450
Well, auditions are castings
by Epstein.
347
00:22:58,450 --> 00:23:00,159
So it's like,
"Oh, let me just send you.
348
00:23:00,159 --> 00:23:03,119
"My friend is casting
a really big film right now."
349
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,788
And you're sent somewhere
350
00:23:04,788 --> 00:23:08,040
where all of a sudden
you're propositioned for sex
351
00:23:08,165 --> 00:23:11,626
and the people around you
are enforcing it.
352
00:23:14,379 --> 00:23:15,879
Just thought it
was the business.
353
00:23:16,004 --> 00:23:18,964
Just thought I was going to a
casting and audition, working,
354
00:23:18,964 --> 00:23:22,343
and that's kind of how some of
the older men were, just creepy.
355
00:23:22,343 --> 00:23:25,845
And I never connected it
to a more nefarious ring
356
00:23:25,845 --> 00:23:28,889
that involved modelling agencies
and Epstein.
357
00:23:30,432 --> 00:23:34,394
There were hundreds of
girls from these Eastern
European countries
358
00:23:34,394 --> 00:23:36,937
sent to Paris, sent to New York.
359
00:23:36,937 --> 00:23:40,022
You know, they were doing quite
abusive things to these models.
360
00:23:41,357 --> 00:23:43,566
It was like a
well-oiled machine.
361
00:23:46,403 --> 00:23:49,029
Fast forward a few years later,
362
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:53,741
I had a girlfriend who was also
involved in this Epstein world.
363
00:23:54,783 --> 00:23:56,743
She had came to me one evening
and said that
364
00:23:56,743 --> 00:23:58,786
Jeffrey had made
her go into a room,
365
00:23:58,911 --> 00:24:01,330
made to go have
sex with somebody
366
00:24:01,330 --> 00:24:05,250
and so she at that
time was scared.
367
00:24:05,375 --> 00:24:07,459
I became scared,
and we kind of...
368
00:24:07,459 --> 00:24:09,586
...both kind of moved out
of New York at that time
369
00:24:09,586 --> 00:24:12,755
and I never saw him again after
that 'cause I was scared.
370
00:24:21,887 --> 00:24:26,016
Jeffrey
Epstein's trail of sexual
abuse happened globally.
371
00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:32,854
However, Palm Beach
was the centre, in many
ways, of the sexual abuse
372
00:24:32,979 --> 00:24:36,273
and where his crimes
were originally investigated.
373
00:24:42,611 --> 00:24:47,656
Hey there. We're just
driving around Palm Beach.
374
00:24:47,781 --> 00:24:49,575
Is there any way to get through
or no?
375
00:24:49,575 --> 00:24:51,034
No, not...
Is this closed?
376
00:24:51,034 --> 00:24:53,578
Yeah. OK. Alright.
Just wanted to check.
377
00:24:53,578 --> 00:24:55,329
Why is it closed?
378
00:24:55,454 --> 00:24:58,081
Because Trump's in town.
379
00:25:02,751 --> 00:25:05,003
So I'm Holly Baltz.
380
00:25:05,128 --> 00:25:10,257
I'm a retired investigations
editor from the Palm Beach Post.
381
00:25:10,257 --> 00:25:12,050
Just newly retired.
382
00:25:13,384 --> 00:25:18,638
We, as in the Post, covered
Epstein from the very beginning.
383
00:25:21,307 --> 00:25:27,603
I never could have anticipated
how big this case got to be.
384
00:25:29,980 --> 00:25:33,316
Palm Beach Police first started
investigating Jeffrey Epstein
385
00:25:33,316 --> 00:25:37,152
{\an8}when the stepmother
of a ninth grader
386
00:25:37,152 --> 00:25:39,195
{\an8}at Royal Palm Beach High School
reported
387
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,823
that a wealthy man had molested
her daughter in March of 2005.
388
00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:47,701
This is the east/west route
389
00:25:47,701 --> 00:25:50,828
that goes past
Royal Palm Beach High School.
390
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:55,666
You know, it wasn't just
the one girl.
391
00:25:56,958 --> 00:26:01,921
Police found that a number
of victims were recruited here.
392
00:26:04,631 --> 00:26:07,341
They started
interviewing more girls,
393
00:26:07,466 --> 00:26:10,760
and every time they did, it was
like peeling back an onion.
394
00:26:23,353 --> 00:26:27,147
Not only were the girls getting
sexually abused themselves,
395
00:26:27,147 --> 00:26:31,025
but he also offered to pay them
if they'd bring their friends.
396
00:26:31,025 --> 00:26:34,362
Um, and these were girls
who didn't have a lot of money.
397
00:26:37,948 --> 00:26:41,867
During
Jeffrey Epstein's first
criminal investigation,
398
00:26:41,993 --> 00:26:45,370
many of the survivors
started finding lawyers
399
00:26:45,495 --> 00:26:50,623
who were willing to bring
their stories forward
and file lawsuits.
400
00:26:50,623 --> 00:26:54,835
I first got involved
in the Epstein matter
back in about 2006.
401
00:26:56,211 --> 00:27:00,673
I was working at a litigation
firm here in Palm Beach County
402
00:27:00,673 --> 00:27:04,551
and a young girl walked
into our office with her parents
403
00:27:04,551 --> 00:27:09,430
and told a crazy story about
a rich man on Palm Beach Island
404
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:11,431
that had paid her about $200
405
00:27:11,556 --> 00:27:13,349
to go to the home
and give him a massage
406
00:27:13,349 --> 00:27:16,393
that turned into a
sexually explicit and
inappropriate massage.
407
00:27:17,686 --> 00:27:19,770
Initially,
I didn't quite believe her,
408
00:27:19,770 --> 00:27:22,481
to be perfectly honest,
it sounded pretty incredible.
409
00:27:22,481 --> 00:27:25,233
But once I interviewed
the police detective
410
00:27:25,233 --> 00:27:27,234
that was conducting
the investigation,
411
00:27:27,234 --> 00:27:28,736
I realised that this was real.
412
00:27:30,862 --> 00:27:33,656
Michael Reiter was the chief
of police back at the time.
413
00:27:33,656 --> 00:27:36,199
And Joe Recarey was
the lead investigator.
414
00:27:39,410 --> 00:27:40,578
Correct?
415
00:27:40,578 --> 00:27:42,330
{\an8}OK. You were like the houseman?
416
00:27:45,624 --> 00:27:47,082
What can you tell me about that?
417
00:27:52,962 --> 00:27:55,255
So he can massage in
the morning, massage
in the afternoon.
418
00:27:55,380 --> 00:27:56,715
And besides that...
419
00:27:58,050 --> 00:27:59,216
OK.
420
00:27:59,216 --> 00:28:00,760
And actually...
421
00:28:04,137 --> 00:28:07,556
As police officers
gathered the evidence,
422
00:28:07,556 --> 00:28:11,851
Epstein put together
a huge team of...
423
00:28:11,851 --> 00:28:14,645
It was like a dream team.
424
00:28:14,770 --> 00:28:17,564
All really well-known attorneys
425
00:28:17,564 --> 00:28:21,359
and attorneys who,
uh, were very aggressive.
426
00:28:23,818 --> 00:28:26,987
It is widely
reported that Jeffrey
Epstein and his legal team
427
00:28:26,987 --> 00:28:30,407
had some of the victims
followed by blacked-out SUVs,
428
00:28:30,407 --> 00:28:34,160
uh, you know, showed...
showing up at their houses.
429
00:28:34,285 --> 00:28:37,371
But they were also investigating
the lead investigator, Joe.
430
00:28:37,371 --> 00:28:39,288
And I asked to meet him.
431
00:28:40,915 --> 00:28:43,667
So he picked a Starbucks
in downtown West Palm Beach.
432
00:28:43,792 --> 00:28:45,961
And when I sat down and
I started talking to him,
433
00:28:46,086 --> 00:28:48,295
his head was on a swivel
and he kept looking around.
434
00:28:48,420 --> 00:28:50,464
And I said, "What are you...
what are you doing?"
435
00:28:51,464 --> 00:28:53,841
And I'll never forget,
he looks at me and he says,
436
00:28:53,967 --> 00:28:57,803
"You have no idea
what they're doing to me."
437
00:28:57,928 --> 00:29:00,304
They had been digging
through his personal trash,
438
00:29:00,304 --> 00:29:01,639
and he said to me,
439
00:29:01,764 --> 00:29:05,225
"I've never seen this kind
of an operation before."
440
00:29:12,146 --> 00:29:17,067
But Palm Beach Police, they were
very dogged in pursuing Epstein.
441
00:29:17,067 --> 00:29:19,860
We're police officers
of Palm Beach County, Florida.
442
00:29:19,860 --> 00:29:22,113
They kept amassing victims.
443
00:29:22,238 --> 00:29:25,115
The premises occupied or under
the control of Jeffrey Epstein.
444
00:29:25,115 --> 00:29:27,449
White male. Date
of birth 1/20/53.
445
00:29:29,785 --> 00:29:33,204
When the first
criminal investigation
of Jeffrey Epstein
446
00:29:33,329 --> 00:29:34,997
was going on,
447
00:29:35,122 --> 00:29:38,708
it had originally seemed like
something that could sustain
448
00:29:38,708 --> 00:29:41,335
an indictment with
dozens of counts,
449
00:29:41,335 --> 00:29:45,672
that Palm Beach Police were
building a very strong case.
450
00:29:45,797 --> 00:29:48,591
But when the entire case
was packaged up
451
00:29:48,591 --> 00:29:50,717
and given to the
state attorney...
452
00:29:51,968 --> 00:29:54,553
...the state attorney here
in Palm Beach at the time
453
00:29:54,553 --> 00:29:56,888
decided not to file charges.
454
00:29:56,888 --> 00:30:01,559
Chief of Police Michael
Reiter was so upset at
the lack of prosecution
455
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:03,059
on the state level
456
00:30:03,059 --> 00:30:05,729
that he elevated this
to the federal level.
457
00:30:07,229 --> 00:30:11,316
The FBI was keen
to prosecute in the
beginning, for sure.
458
00:30:12,650 --> 00:30:16,570
And they found very much similar
things as Palm Beach Police,
459
00:30:16,695 --> 00:30:17,988
but new victims.
460
00:30:17,988 --> 00:30:23,909
And what came of that was
a draft indictment, 60 counts.
461
00:30:24,951 --> 00:30:27,870
However, this giant case
that Palm Beach Police
462
00:30:27,995 --> 00:30:30,705
spent so much time investigating
463
00:30:30,705 --> 00:30:33,833
pleaded down to
a slap-on-the-wrist plea deal
464
00:30:33,833 --> 00:30:37,502
after intense lobbying
by Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers.
465
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,922
The charges
that they ended up bringing
466
00:30:40,922 --> 00:30:44,382
were solicitation
for prostitution of a minor.
467
00:30:44,507 --> 00:30:48,928
It's basically calling
these victims prostitutes.
468
00:30:48,928 --> 00:30:52,764
{\an8}The deal was approved
by then US attorney Alex Acosta
469
00:30:52,764 --> 00:30:55,557
and then kept secret
from the victims.
470
00:30:55,682 --> 00:30:59,143
And I think that
the sweetheart plea deal
471
00:30:59,143 --> 00:31:02,104
was, in many ways,
the original sin of this.
472
00:31:04,105 --> 00:31:06,857
It was one of the most
awful deals I've ever seen.
473
00:31:06,857 --> 00:31:11,528
There isn't a plea
deal before or since that
I've ever seen like this.
474
00:31:15,447 --> 00:31:20,201
It gave complete immunity
to not just Epstein,
475
00:31:20,201 --> 00:31:23,161
but it included
and not limited to
476
00:31:23,161 --> 00:31:26,664
potential co-conspirators
Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross,
477
00:31:26,664 --> 00:31:29,416
Lesley Groff, and
Nadia Marcinkova.
478
00:31:29,416 --> 00:31:32,585
And so these
are some of the women who
helped recruit other girls?
479
00:31:32,585 --> 00:31:34,462
Yeah, in the sexual
pyramid scheme,
480
00:31:34,586 --> 00:31:36,797
these were the people that were
really at the third level,
481
00:31:36,797 --> 00:31:39,423
right below Ghislaine Maxwell.
482
00:31:41,926 --> 00:31:44,803
Jeffrey Epstein
went to jail just before
10:00 this morning.
483
00:31:44,803 --> 00:31:46,762
He pleaded guilty in open court.
484
00:31:46,887 --> 00:31:48,806
He agreed to serve
a total of 18 months
485
00:31:48,806 --> 00:31:50,391
in a Palm Beach
detention facility.
486
00:31:52,934 --> 00:31:55,727
People who commit sex crimes
against minors
487
00:31:55,727 --> 00:31:58,563
go to prison for
a very long time.
488
00:31:59,522 --> 00:32:01,274
Not Jeffrey Epstein.
489
00:32:01,399 --> 00:32:04,943
He was sentenced to
18 months in jail.
490
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:11,281
He could get work release for 12
hours a day, six days a week.
491
00:32:12,490 --> 00:32:15,701
He wound up
being in a cushy jail
492
00:32:15,701 --> 00:32:18,619
where he was the only person
in that wing.
493
00:32:20,329 --> 00:32:23,623
He could go out, go
to his office, take
a walk on the beach,
494
00:32:23,748 --> 00:32:25,792
do whatever he wanted
during the day.
495
00:32:25,792 --> 00:32:27,626
That's no kind of punishment.
496
00:32:29,086 --> 00:32:31,629
We had been litigating
against Epstein
497
00:32:31,754 --> 00:32:33,965
on behalf of one of my clients.
498
00:32:33,965 --> 00:32:37,009
He was being allowed out
during days.
499
00:32:37,134 --> 00:32:39,594
So we noticed Epstein
for deposition.
500
00:32:41,470 --> 00:32:44,347
Could you please give us
your name? Jeffrey Epstein.
501
00:32:44,472 --> 00:32:47,224
So I wanted him to realise
I didn't care who he was,
502
00:32:47,349 --> 00:32:49,602
what his power was,
what his status was,
503
00:32:49,602 --> 00:32:52,270
I was gonna ask him
the most embarrassing
possible thing I could.
504
00:32:53,521 --> 00:32:55,939
Is it true, sir, that, um...
505
00:32:57,232 --> 00:33:00,943
...you have what's been described
as an egg-shaped penis?
506
00:33:03,195 --> 00:33:06,198
He hears me ask the question,
watch him look at his lawyers,
507
00:33:06,198 --> 00:33:08,157
like, "Can you believe
he's asking me this?"
508
00:33:08,282 --> 00:33:11,201
And I'm going to give you
the first warning, Mr Kuvin.
509
00:33:11,326 --> 00:33:13,578
I had been the first lawyer
to ask him any questions
510
00:33:13,578 --> 00:33:15,829
in the cases that
had been filed.
511
00:33:15,829 --> 00:33:20,041
One witness described your penis
as oval-shaped,
512
00:33:20,166 --> 00:33:22,376
thin and small towards
the head portion.
513
00:33:22,376 --> 00:33:24,920
See, he's angry.
He's ready to walk out the door.
514
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,171
And then he sees that the
attorneys are gonna talk.
515
00:33:27,296 --> 00:33:30,798
That serves no other purpose
other than embarrass Mr Epstein.
516
00:33:30,798 --> 00:33:33,092
It's just totally unethical.
It's improper.
517
00:33:33,218 --> 00:33:34,676
The purpose of that question is
518
00:33:34,676 --> 00:33:38,638
how could a 14-year-old
know what his private
part looked like?
519
00:33:38,638 --> 00:33:42,933
That question was
directly relevant to
the claims in the case.
520
00:33:42,933 --> 00:33:45,477
The deposition is terminated
at this point.
521
00:33:45,477 --> 00:33:47,978
OK. Thanks a lot. I
appreciate it. Thank you.
522
00:33:51,606 --> 00:33:53,775
Shortest deposition I've
ever taken.
523
00:33:53,775 --> 00:33:55,317
Ever.
Ever.
524
00:33:55,317 --> 00:33:58,528
Wow. So he probably is feeling
pretty confident at this point
525
00:33:58,653 --> 00:34:00,738
that he's gotten away with this.
Pretty much. Yeah.
526
00:34:00,738 --> 00:34:02,240
I mean, he had done his deal,
527
00:34:02,365 --> 00:34:04,324
and now he was just
getting through the civil cases,
528
00:34:04,449 --> 00:34:06,534
thinking that it was
all over and all done.
529
00:34:21,963 --> 00:34:25,840
A few steps,
a smile and a wave to
the deputy at the door.
530
00:34:25,966 --> 00:34:28,509
We watched Jeffrey Epstein
walk out of jail.
531
00:34:28,509 --> 00:34:32,637
Epstein served 13 months
of an 18-month sentence.
532
00:34:32,762 --> 00:34:34,763
He's very happy that
his jail sentence is over
533
00:34:34,888 --> 00:34:37,516
and he can begin
a new chapter in his life.
534
00:34:39,308 --> 00:34:41,727
When Jeffrey Epstein
got out of jail,
535
00:34:41,727 --> 00:34:43,395
the fact that he was prosecuted,
536
00:34:43,395 --> 00:34:46,231
the fact that he was
a registered sex offender
537
00:34:46,356 --> 00:34:48,274
didn't seem to stand in the way
538
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:53,403
of his re-entry into high
society, wealth and power.
539
00:34:56,196 --> 00:34:59,907
The power and influence he had
convinced a lot of people
540
00:35:00,032 --> 00:35:01,284
to look the other way.
541
00:35:02,285 --> 00:35:04,369
Prince Andrew looked
the other way.
542
00:35:06,329 --> 00:35:11,040
We also saw Bill Gates meeting
with Epstein, despite his past.
543
00:35:12,584 --> 00:35:15,169
He was some sort of
soothsayer, apparently,
544
00:35:15,169 --> 00:35:18,504
to a lot of these men
that were asking him for advice.
545
00:35:18,504 --> 00:35:22,133
I think that a lot of people
probably knew
546
00:35:22,258 --> 00:35:24,009
that everything
was not on the up and up,
547
00:35:24,134 --> 00:35:28,053
but for whatever reason,
they wanted to be a part
of his inner circle.
548
00:35:30,347 --> 00:35:35,976
I had a reporter who
was covering Epstein
every step of the way.
549
00:35:38,187 --> 00:35:41,063
It was difficult
to get people to pay attention.
550
00:35:42,564 --> 00:35:46,984
They felt like he had served
his time and there you go.
551
00:35:46,984 --> 00:35:49,737
Epstein's conviction
wasn't even a speed bump.
552
00:35:53,364 --> 00:35:55,741
I've been researching and
writing about child trafficking
553
00:35:55,866 --> 00:35:57,910
since 2002, 2003,
554
00:35:58,035 --> 00:36:00,620
and I had this intuition
that Jeffrey Epstein
555
00:36:00,620 --> 00:36:03,663
was very similar to the network
that I'd investigated,
556
00:36:03,788 --> 00:36:08,918
and I just felt that
something was seriously wrong.
557
00:36:08,918 --> 00:36:13,213
So in 2012, I went
down to Florida
558
00:36:13,213 --> 00:36:16,590
and I had the good fortune
of getting the black book.
559
00:36:20,676 --> 00:36:24,638
The black book is just a list
of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts.
560
00:36:26,097 --> 00:36:28,724
It has billionaires,
561
00:36:28,724 --> 00:36:30,725
some people in showbiz,
562
00:36:30,850 --> 00:36:32,477
captains of industry.
563
00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:38,689
Um, and multiple girls
were in the black book.
564
00:36:42,193 --> 00:36:44,694
I started talking
to some of the girls,
565
00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:49,198
and they told me that they'd
been flown here or flown there
566
00:36:49,198 --> 00:36:52,033
and then one told me that
she'd been flown to an island.
567
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:54,660
So in 2012,
568
00:36:54,785 --> 00:36:58,913
I believed Jeffrey Epstein
was running a network.
569
00:36:59,038 --> 00:37:00,832
And I also had the flight logs.
570
00:37:02,166 --> 00:37:05,210
So were these
the flight logs just for
his private plane, then?
571
00:37:05,335 --> 00:37:06,211
Yes.
572
00:37:06,211 --> 00:37:08,963
Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz,
573
00:37:09,088 --> 00:37:11,422
Kevin Spacey, Larry Summers.
574
00:37:11,422 --> 00:37:13,383
I mean, there were a number
of very powerful people
575
00:37:13,383 --> 00:37:16,552
that were flying with
Jeffrey Epstein.
576
00:37:16,677 --> 00:37:20,471
And there were a number of girls
on the flight logs,
577
00:37:20,596 --> 00:37:24,850
and I assumed that
some of them were minors.
578
00:37:30,812 --> 00:37:33,440
I worked on getting that story
published for three years,
579
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,235
and finally Gawker stepped up
and published my work.
580
00:37:41,279 --> 00:37:43,738
The mainstream media
just didn't want to embrace it.
581
00:37:48,617 --> 00:37:52,245
After
that point, we would get
glimpses of information.
582
00:37:53,705 --> 00:37:58,333
Virginia Giuffre, one
of the Epstein survivors
from Palm Beach,
583
00:37:58,333 --> 00:38:02,461
had moved to Australia
after escaping Jeffrey Epstein.
584
00:38:02,461 --> 00:38:06,797
She claimed that she was
trafficked to then-Prince Andrew
585
00:38:06,922 --> 00:38:08,340
when she was a minor.
586
00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:10,301
She was 17 at the time.
587
00:38:10,301 --> 00:38:13,344
Can you tell me about
the photo that she provided
588
00:38:13,344 --> 00:38:17,431
to a newspaper in 2011?
589
00:38:17,431 --> 00:38:21,684
Virginia Giuffre had produced
a now infamous photograph
590
00:38:21,809 --> 00:38:23,935
of her, then-Prince Andrew
591
00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:26,104
and Ghislaine Maxwell.
592
00:38:27,396 --> 00:38:29,482
Andrew claimed
that it was a fake
593
00:38:29,607 --> 00:38:32,233
and denied criminal wrongdoing.
594
00:38:34,110 --> 00:38:35,277
Thing about Virginia is
595
00:38:35,277 --> 00:38:37,946
she'd been with Epstein
for a couple of years
596
00:38:37,946 --> 00:38:40,323
and he had taken her everyplace.
597
00:38:40,448 --> 00:38:44,034
So she was pretty knowledgeable
about his network
598
00:38:44,034 --> 00:38:47,536
and she was launching
civil suits,
599
00:38:47,536 --> 00:38:52,040
and she named Jeffrey
Epstein and Ghislaine
Maxwell as perpetrators
600
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,541
who trafficked her
601
00:38:53,541 --> 00:38:55,584
to his rich and
powerful cronies.
602
00:38:57,628 --> 00:39:02,464
But she wasn't being taken
seriously by the media.
603
00:39:04,633 --> 00:39:09,011
Jeffrey Epstein very
aggressively bullied
media organisations
604
00:39:09,011 --> 00:39:11,471
that tried to look
under that rock.
605
00:39:14,681 --> 00:39:18,518
Things remained kind of dormant
for a number of years,
606
00:39:18,643 --> 00:39:21,521
until another story came out
of the Miami Herald
607
00:39:21,521 --> 00:39:24,439
and a reporter that went back
and looked at some of the deals
608
00:39:24,564 --> 00:39:26,565
that were struck
with Jeffrey Epstein.
609
00:39:27,983 --> 00:39:32,112
Julie Brown, her reporting
really opened up the case.
610
00:39:32,237 --> 00:39:33,780
One second.
611
00:39:35,155 --> 00:39:36,490
Oh, you're calling Julie?
612
00:39:36,615 --> 00:39:40,743
Good morning. How are you?
I'm wonderful.
613
00:39:40,868 --> 00:39:45,497
I have a very pleasant
Australian reporter
here in my office
614
00:39:45,497 --> 00:39:49,250
uh, that would like
to chat with you
615
00:39:49,375 --> 00:39:51,167
if you could give her time.
616
00:39:51,292 --> 00:39:52,168
Hang on.
OK.
617
00:39:52,168 --> 00:39:54,003
Hi, Julie.
618
00:39:54,129 --> 00:39:55,587
I've been contacted by a lot
of people...
619
00:39:55,712 --> 00:39:58,382
Yeah, I can imagine. ..hard
to keep it straight but...
620
00:39:58,382 --> 00:39:59,590
Yeah.
621
00:39:59,590 --> 00:40:02,343
Yeah, give me a call. But
this week is not a good week.
622
00:40:02,343 --> 00:40:06,346
So we can talk about it later.
OK. Yeah, sure.
623
00:40:20,356 --> 00:40:22,816
Hey, Julie. I'm so glad
we could make this happen.
624
00:40:22,941 --> 00:40:24,609
Yes.
625
00:40:25,569 --> 00:40:27,737
Persistence pays off, right?
Yep. It's OK.
626
00:40:27,862 --> 00:40:30,613
Especially since you
were willing to come all
the way to Philadelphia.
627
00:40:30,613 --> 00:40:32,657
I thought, "Oh, my God.
This girl's never gonna give up.
628
00:40:32,782 --> 00:40:34,616
"I might as well
just get it over with."
629
00:40:36,577 --> 00:40:39,954
Tell me how you came to
investigate Jeffrey Epstein.
630
00:40:39,954 --> 00:40:44,207
Well, I started
investigating it right
before the election in 2016.
631
00:40:45,792 --> 00:40:49,253
Most journalists in
America knew, you know,
632
00:40:49,378 --> 00:40:51,713
something about
the Jeffrey Epstein case,
633
00:40:51,713 --> 00:40:54,382
especially Epstein's
sweetheart deal.
634
00:40:54,506 --> 00:40:56,341
Very lenient plea deal.
635
00:40:56,341 --> 00:40:58,509
And there was a lot of stories
about,
636
00:40:58,509 --> 00:41:01,721
"How did he get this deal?
This doesn't make any sense."
637
00:41:01,721 --> 00:41:05,348
But nothing that I could find
really showed me
638
00:41:05,348 --> 00:41:07,516
how he got away with this crime.
639
00:41:07,516 --> 00:41:10,311
And so I just started
requesting the records,
640
00:41:10,435 --> 00:41:13,229
not knowing
where it was going to lead me.
641
00:41:13,354 --> 00:41:16,857
Somehow, I got a list
of almost a hundred victims.
642
00:41:18,358 --> 00:41:23,195
In the end, I had like
four victims that were
willing to go and talk.
643
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,280
And in the middle
when I was doing that,
644
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,658
Trump nominated Alexander Acosta
to be Labor secretary.
645
00:41:30,658 --> 00:41:34,287
I want to thank President Trump
for the privilege of serving.
646
00:41:34,287 --> 00:41:37,372
Acosta was the US
Attorney in Miami
647
00:41:37,498 --> 00:41:40,291
that signed off
on Epstein's sweetheart deal.
648
00:41:40,291 --> 00:41:42,751
I, Alexander Acosta,
do solemnly swear...
649
00:41:42,751 --> 00:41:47,588
So then I pitched a story
that we would go to the victims
650
00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:51,466
and ask them, you know,
what they think about the man
651
00:41:51,466 --> 00:41:53,676
that let their predator
off the hook,
652
00:41:53,676 --> 00:41:55,552
who is now, by
the way, in charge
653
00:41:55,552 --> 00:41:59,222
of one of the largest government
agencies in the country
654
00:41:59,222 --> 00:42:01,682
with oversight
of human trafficking.
655
00:42:03,350 --> 00:42:05,227
It was a high pressure story
656
00:42:05,227 --> 00:42:07,603
because it involved
a lot of important people.
657
00:42:07,603 --> 00:42:12,023
It was going to be put online
very early in the morning,
658
00:42:12,023 --> 00:42:15,693
so we sort of braced ourselves,
I guess you could say.
659
00:42:15,693 --> 00:42:18,861
And at the time that morning,
there was a funny story
660
00:42:18,861 --> 00:42:20,405
that was at the top
of our leaderboard.
661
00:42:20,530 --> 00:42:22,447
My story was at the very bottom.
662
00:42:22,572 --> 00:42:25,700
And so I packed everything up. I
thought, "That's it for the day.
663
00:42:25,826 --> 00:42:28,828
"You know, I'm going to take
the day off."
664
00:42:28,953 --> 00:42:31,538
And I was getting all ready
and another reporter said to me,
665
00:42:31,538 --> 00:42:33,164
"Julie, look at this story."
666
00:42:33,164 --> 00:42:35,791
And it was going
boom, boom, boom.
667
00:42:36,875 --> 00:42:39,335
We are going to begin
with a much closer look
668
00:42:39,335 --> 00:42:41,921
at the disturbing case
of Jeffrey Epstein.
669
00:42:42,046 --> 00:42:44,464
Joining me this morning is
Julie Brown of the Miami Herald.
670
00:42:44,464 --> 00:42:46,966
Investigative reporter behind
the Miami Herald expose...
671
00:42:47,091 --> 00:42:49,301
Julie Brown, let me ask you,
set the scene for us.
672
00:42:51,678 --> 00:42:55,013
This story uncovered
this underbelly of society,
673
00:42:55,139 --> 00:42:56,598
of the rich and powerful
674
00:42:56,724 --> 00:43:00,309
and what they were doing to
people who were less powerful.
675
00:43:00,309 --> 00:43:02,561
The
Miami Herald series
676
00:43:02,561 --> 00:43:05,605
drops in November 2018.
677
00:43:09,233 --> 00:43:14,195
{\an8}It had such an impact that by
July of the following year,
678
00:43:14,195 --> 00:43:18,573
Jeffrey Epstein is arrested and
charged with sex trafficking.
679
00:43:20,658 --> 00:43:22,909
Billionaire Jeffrey
Epstein has been arrested
680
00:43:22,909 --> 00:43:26,037
for alleged sex trafficking
of young girls,
681
00:43:26,037 --> 00:43:29,165
and agents have been coming in
and out of his Manhattan mansion
682
00:43:29,290 --> 00:43:30,582
all morning.
683
00:43:30,582 --> 00:43:32,250
Epstein is charged
in a two-count indictment.
684
00:43:32,375 --> 00:43:35,294
First - conspiracy
to commit sex trafficking
685
00:43:35,419 --> 00:43:38,005
and second, sex trafficking
of underage girls,
686
00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:41,758
beginning in at least 2002
and continuing until 2005
687
00:43:41,883 --> 00:43:45,093
at his mansion in New York
and in Palm Beach, Florida.
688
00:43:46,178 --> 00:43:50,139
I'm not going into any dealings
with main justice,
689
00:43:50,139 --> 00:43:51,639
I will say that we were assisted
690
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:54,142
from some excellent
investigative journalism.
691
00:43:56,101 --> 00:43:58,312
I just got a call
from the news desk saying,
692
00:43:58,312 --> 00:44:00,188
{\an8}"We just got something
over the wire
693
00:44:00,313 --> 00:44:02,397
{\an8}"that said that Epstein's
been arrested."
694
00:44:02,397 --> 00:44:04,483
{\an8}I was like, oh, you know,
it was incredible.
695
00:44:04,483 --> 00:44:06,609
{\an8}I was just... I
couldn't believe it.
696
00:44:08,736 --> 00:44:10,862
Hi, Mark. It's Grace Tobin.
697
00:44:10,862 --> 00:44:14,032
Thanks so much for taking
the time to talk to me today.
698
00:44:14,157 --> 00:44:15,157
Sure.
699
00:44:15,282 --> 00:44:16,784
When your brother was arrested,
700
00:44:16,784 --> 00:44:19,952
can you tell me what that
was like, that moment?
701
00:44:19,952 --> 00:44:25,207
Jeffrey gets arrested, you know,
we spoke the night before.
702
00:44:25,332 --> 00:44:26,791
He called me from Paris.
703
00:44:26,791 --> 00:44:29,502
Just a normal, you know, "What's
new? How you doing?" call.
704
00:44:29,502 --> 00:44:32,670
And then he flies home the
next day and he gets arrested.
705
00:44:34,255 --> 00:44:39,425
I wanted
to be at his first court
appearance the next day.
706
00:44:40,802 --> 00:44:43,637
He looked like such a small man.
707
00:44:43,637 --> 00:44:47,848
You know, small, frail,
you know, human being.
708
00:44:47,848 --> 00:44:51,893
Um, just looked
lost, quite frankly.
709
00:44:52,018 --> 00:44:54,687
I don't think he ever thought
he was going to be rearrested.
710
00:44:54,687 --> 00:44:56,730
Now, yesterday,
we were there in court.
711
00:44:56,855 --> 00:44:58,982
His attorneys are arguing
that Epstein struck a deal
712
00:44:59,107 --> 00:45:02,484
with federal prosecutors
in Florida over similar crimes,
713
00:45:02,484 --> 00:45:04,987
granting him immunity
after he pleaded guilty
714
00:45:04,987 --> 00:45:06,987
to a lesser charge.
715
00:45:06,987 --> 00:45:10,532
The US attorney who struck
that deal is Alexander Acosta.
716
00:45:11,992 --> 00:45:15,202
At that point,
the media started in
Washington asking Trump,
717
00:45:15,202 --> 00:45:18,913
"What's going to happen
with Alexander Acosta?"
718
00:45:19,038 --> 00:45:20,248
Good afternoon.
719
00:45:20,248 --> 00:45:24,543
And I remember that Acosta
did have a press conference.
720
00:45:24,543 --> 00:45:28,879
We believe that
we proceeded appropriately.
721
00:45:30,298 --> 00:45:35,426
There was value to
getting a guilty plea and
having him registered.
722
00:45:35,551 --> 00:45:37,469
Thank you very much. Thank you.
723
00:45:39,429 --> 00:45:42,265
And I just remember
listening to him,
724
00:45:42,389 --> 00:45:45,350
thinking, "These
are all excuses.
725
00:45:45,350 --> 00:45:47,143
"They don't work anymore."
726
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:50,229
And apparently it didn't work
727
00:45:50,353 --> 00:45:54,565
because he then,
um, you know, resigned.
728
00:45:54,565 --> 00:45:56,942
And so I called the President
this morning.
729
00:45:57,067 --> 00:46:01,029
I told him that I thought the
right thing was to step aside.
730
00:46:02,071 --> 00:46:03,739
Finally, it seemed like
the government
731
00:46:03,739 --> 00:46:05,782
was actually taking
this seriously
732
00:46:05,907 --> 00:46:08,993
by charging Epstein
with serious crimes,
733
00:46:09,118 --> 00:46:10,869
sex trafficking.
734
00:46:10,869 --> 00:46:14,580
And after that,
other victims started to
realise, "I'm not alone."
735
00:46:17,833 --> 00:46:21,252
When he was arrested,
a lot of us were happy
736
00:46:21,377 --> 00:46:25,631
that there was a second
chance for possibly
some actual justice,
737
00:46:25,631 --> 00:46:28,758
because what happened in 2008
wasn't justice
738
00:46:28,883 --> 00:46:30,925
or him being held accountable.
739
00:46:30,925 --> 00:46:33,720
And at that point,
740
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,890
{\an8}I reached out to the FBI
and I was like, uh...
741
00:46:39,015 --> 00:46:40,933
{\an8}..."Here's another one
of us," you know?
742
00:46:40,933 --> 00:46:45,771
Um, "And I-I want to be
a part of bringing him down."
743
00:47:00,948 --> 00:47:03,075
Jeffrey Epstein
was staying at
744
00:47:03,075 --> 00:47:05,077
the rather notorious prison
745
00:47:05,077 --> 00:47:08,913
where people await trial
on serious offences
746
00:47:08,913 --> 00:47:11,081
in the Southern District
of New York.
747
00:47:13,124 --> 00:47:15,918
The Metropolitan
Correctional Centre in Manhattan
748
00:47:15,918 --> 00:47:18,544
is an environment completely
foreign to Jeffrey Epstein.
749
00:47:21,214 --> 00:47:22,964
The conditions were filthy.
750
00:47:23,090 --> 00:47:26,134
Rodents, cockroaches
all over the place.
751
00:47:27,176 --> 00:47:28,427
I agreed to represent him
752
00:47:28,427 --> 00:47:30,553
and I met with him.
753
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,807
But just before that,
there was this incident
754
00:47:33,807 --> 00:47:35,474
in which there was a suggestion
755
00:47:35,474 --> 00:47:36,976
that he tried to commit suicide.
756
00:47:38,269 --> 00:47:40,478
The multi-millionaire
and convicted sex offender
757
00:47:40,603 --> 00:47:44,982
is now on suicide
watch after he was found
injured in his jail cell.
758
00:47:46,108 --> 00:47:48,442
I met with Jeffrey
Epstein on August 1st
759
00:47:48,442 --> 00:47:50,194
for about five or six hours.
760
00:47:50,194 --> 00:47:53,738
He denied that he had
tried to commit suicide.
761
00:47:54,780 --> 00:47:57,157
The story that he told
about what had happened
762
00:47:57,157 --> 00:47:58,700
was that the cellmate he had
763
00:47:58,825 --> 00:48:00,535
forced him
to put a rope around his neck,
764
00:48:00,535 --> 00:48:02,703
something, and pulled it, um,
765
00:48:02,828 --> 00:48:04,663
just to see the reaction
Epstein would have.
766
00:48:06,580 --> 00:48:08,749
But he told the
correctional officers
767
00:48:08,749 --> 00:48:10,291
that he couldn't remember
what had happened
768
00:48:10,291 --> 00:48:12,877
because he was afraid
if he got that guy in trouble,
769
00:48:13,003 --> 00:48:15,004
that he would have
trouble himself.
770
00:48:16,463 --> 00:48:19,674
How was Jeffrey
Epstein's mood that
day when you look back?
771
00:48:19,799 --> 00:48:23,051
{\an8}Good. I mean, he, again, he
didn't like being in the jail.
772
00:48:23,176 --> 00:48:26,054
{\an8}Um, but he was adamant
about wanting to fight the case,
773
00:48:26,054 --> 00:48:27,680
{\an8}and he was energised
by our meeting.
774
00:48:27,805 --> 00:48:29,849
I think he thought
he had a strong legal argument,
775
00:48:29,849 --> 00:48:32,225
for example, on the agreement
that he had made
776
00:48:32,350 --> 00:48:35,269
that he felt would have
barred his prosecution.
777
00:48:37,229 --> 00:48:38,396
But nine days later,
778
00:48:38,521 --> 00:48:40,690
the last thing I would have
imagined at the time happened.
779
00:48:44,276 --> 00:48:45,652
NBC News has learned
780
00:48:45,652 --> 00:48:49,363
that disgraced financier
Jeffrey Epstein is dead.
781
00:48:49,363 --> 00:48:51,364
Sources
telling ABC News
782
00:48:51,364 --> 00:48:55,159
that accused sex
trafficker Jeffrey Epstein
has died by suicide.
783
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:57,953
It appeared that
he had hung himself
784
00:48:57,953 --> 00:49:02,040
We're trying to figure out if
he was still on suicide watch.
785
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:04,791
It was astonishing.
786
00:49:06,375 --> 00:49:10,420
This is someone who is being
prosecuted for historic crimes.
787
00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:13,048
The world's
attention is on this.
788
00:49:13,173 --> 00:49:16,675
How is this man
allowed to turn up dead?
789
00:49:24,056 --> 00:49:26,933
And then the next
thing I know, I hear on the news
790
00:49:27,058 --> 00:49:29,226
that Jeffrey was found dead
from an apparent suicide.
791
00:49:30,352 --> 00:49:32,771
And at first, I had...
I had no reason to doubt it,
792
00:49:32,896 --> 00:49:34,730
because, you know,
he was in jail
793
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:37,274
and was facing a long time
in jail, potentially.
794
00:49:37,399 --> 00:49:40,068
And I knew he wouldn't want to
live that way in jail.
795
00:49:40,068 --> 00:49:41,778
So, I had no reason to doubt it
796
00:49:41,903 --> 00:49:43,904
and I accepted that
he committed suicide.
797
00:49:45,072 --> 00:49:46,739
Anyway, the next day,
I had to come back to New York
798
00:49:46,864 --> 00:49:48,407
to identify his body.
799
00:49:48,407 --> 00:49:50,034
As a family member,
I had the right
800
00:49:50,034 --> 00:49:52,244
to have my own pathologist
at the autopsy.
801
00:49:52,369 --> 00:49:54,745
You know, just to see
everything was done right.
802
00:49:56,163 --> 00:49:59,082
I spoke to his brother,
I insisted that the
person I consider to be
803
00:49:59,207 --> 00:50:00,959
the top forensic pathologist
in the world
804
00:50:01,084 --> 00:50:03,835
participate in
an independent autopsy.
805
00:50:05,003 --> 00:50:06,837
So, his name is Michael Baden.
806
00:50:08,255 --> 00:50:12,968
I was medical examiner
for the New York State
Police for 25 years
807
00:50:13,093 --> 00:50:18,013
and did more than
20,000 autopsies.
808
00:50:19,138 --> 00:50:22,641
In this instance, I was
asked to attend the autopsy
809
00:50:22,766 --> 00:50:24,685
that was going to be done
the next day.
810
00:50:27,395 --> 00:50:30,939
The history was that he was
found having committed suicide
811
00:50:30,939 --> 00:50:33,775
by hanging in his jail cell.
812
00:50:35,526 --> 00:50:37,236
When looking at
the body, there was
813
00:50:37,236 --> 00:50:41,322
a little odd situation there
because the ligature furrow
814
00:50:41,447 --> 00:50:44,408
around the neck was horizontal.
815
00:50:45,534 --> 00:50:46,784
In a suicidal hanging,
816
00:50:46,784 --> 00:50:49,745
the ligature mark is usually
817
00:50:49,745 --> 00:50:52,622
up the high part of the neck
and goes upwards.
818
00:50:52,622 --> 00:50:56,667
And then the moment of surprise,
819
00:50:56,667 --> 00:50:58,960
there were three fractures -
820
00:50:59,085 --> 00:51:01,337
two of the thyroid cartilage,
821
00:51:01,462 --> 00:51:03,505
which is the Adam's apple,
822
00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:07,717
and one of the hyoid bone.
823
00:51:07,717 --> 00:51:11,344
In 50 years of doing this,
I've never seen that.
824
00:51:11,469 --> 00:51:13,138
That's much more common,
825
00:51:13,138 --> 00:51:17,850
a crushing injury,
in a homicidal strangulation.
826
00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:19,642
So, I think, at that point,
827
00:51:19,767 --> 00:51:24,730
there was concern as to
whether it was suicide
as thought or not.
828
00:51:26,522 --> 00:51:29,859
So, the medical
examiner of New York
City, who conducted it,
829
00:51:29,984 --> 00:51:32,444
she said that it
was inconclusive -
830
00:51:32,444 --> 00:51:33,904
she couldn't say it was suicide.
831
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:40,658
But then her boss,
three or four days later,
832
00:51:40,658 --> 00:51:43,118
changed it to suicide.
833
00:51:46,537 --> 00:51:49,874
And then,
OK, now all kinds of
questions start coming up
834
00:51:49,999 --> 00:51:51,333
and wheels start turning.
835
00:51:54,877 --> 00:51:57,671
Barbara Sampson,
the chief medical examiner -
836
00:51:57,796 --> 00:51:59,672
and she was not at the autopsy -
837
00:51:59,797 --> 00:52:03,592
and so she comes up
with the conclusion of
suicide based on what?
838
00:52:03,592 --> 00:52:06,385
{\an8}Tonight, Jeffrey
Epstein's attorneys questioning
839
00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:09,513
{\an8}whether his death was a suicide,
saying they will even
840
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:10,931
{\an8}pursue, quote:
841
00:52:18,895 --> 00:52:21,022
{\an8}And it turned out somehow,
magically,
842
00:52:21,147 --> 00:52:23,190
the cameras malfunctioned
that day
843
00:52:23,315 --> 00:52:26,193
or was in a place where
the camera didn't reach.
844
00:52:27,568 --> 00:52:29,904
So, this is now a correctional
officer taking an inmate down.
845
00:52:30,029 --> 00:52:33,573
This is supposed to be
Jeffrey Epstein now.
846
00:52:33,698 --> 00:52:37,910
You're talking about August 9th,
at almost 8:00 in the evening.
847
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:39,536
August 10th is when he was dead.
848
00:52:40,662 --> 00:52:42,121
Do you think it's suspicious
849
00:52:42,121 --> 00:52:44,998
that there's only this
one camera angle available?
850
00:52:44,998 --> 00:52:47,166
That that's the only image?
851
00:52:47,166 --> 00:52:50,252
If that's accurate, yes, I do,
I think it's suspicious.
852
00:52:50,252 --> 00:52:54,880
And, um, you might
say coincidental that the
cameras are malfunctioning,
853
00:52:55,005 --> 00:52:57,550
you know, around that time,
but pretty unbelievable.
854
00:52:58,341 --> 00:53:00,385
There were so many anomalies
that night.
855
00:53:00,385 --> 00:53:03,387
His cellmate had been taken out,
856
00:53:03,512 --> 00:53:05,597
the guards were sleeping,
857
00:53:05,722 --> 00:53:08,307
the cameras were down.
858
00:53:08,307 --> 00:53:12,185
All of these mysterious
things fuelled a lot
of conspiracy theories.
859
00:53:12,185 --> 00:53:14,270
{\an8}There's just no way
you can hang yourself
860
00:53:14,395 --> 00:53:16,105
{\an8}off of a bunk bed
at that height.
861
00:53:16,105 --> 00:53:18,481
I think we have found
Jeffrey Epstein's killer.
862
00:53:18,481 --> 00:53:20,692
And it's the most secure federal
lockup in the United States,
863
00:53:20,692 --> 00:53:21,734
and he got murdered in it.
864
00:53:21,859 --> 00:53:23,360
Who has the power to do that?
865
00:53:27,572 --> 00:53:31,283
I've been studying conspiracy
theories for 15 years.
866
00:53:31,408 --> 00:53:35,202
When I polled Americans
asking them what they
thought about his death,
867
00:53:35,202 --> 00:53:37,413
half the country
thought it was a conspiracy,
868
00:53:37,413 --> 00:53:39,914
that he was killed by people
869
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:43,959
who were trying to cover up
their involvement with him.
870
00:53:43,959 --> 00:53:47,169
And you don't normally get,
871
00:53:47,169 --> 00:53:50,755
uh, conspiracy theories getting
half the country to buy in.
872
00:53:50,755 --> 00:53:52,424
Yeah, I don't believe
any conspiracy theory,
873
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:54,675
{\an8}but the fact that
he wanted to fight this case,
874
00:53:54,675 --> 00:53:57,219
{\an8}uh, until the day
before he died,
875
00:53:57,219 --> 00:53:59,888
{\an8}um, says to me that it's
unlikely he committed suicide.
876
00:54:02,514 --> 00:54:04,725
I believe
he was murdered.
877
00:54:04,725 --> 00:54:07,435
And if they do a real
investigation and they
talk to the right people,
878
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,188
they could figure out
what actually took place.
879
00:54:12,522 --> 00:54:16,108
Do you believe that
Epstein committed suicide?
880
00:54:16,108 --> 00:54:18,735
No. No, I just don't believe it.
881
00:54:18,735 --> 00:54:21,029
Um... no.
882
00:54:21,863 --> 00:54:25,240
{\an8}He had only been there
for a month.
883
00:54:26,449 --> 00:54:29,243
I just think it was too soon
for him to throw in the towel.
884
00:54:32,078 --> 00:54:34,122
From the Jeffrey
Epstein that I knew,
885
00:54:34,246 --> 00:54:37,166
no, I don't think he killed
himself, I just don't.
886
00:54:37,291 --> 00:54:39,876
And I believe he always thought
he was going to get out of it.
887
00:54:39,876 --> 00:54:43,879
{\an8}He knew that he wasn't
going to get the slap
on the wrist this time.
888
00:54:43,879 --> 00:54:47,256
{\an8}Uh, very damaging documents
in the case came out,
889
00:54:47,256 --> 00:54:50,342
{\an8}two days before,
he changed his will.
890
00:54:50,467 --> 00:54:53,970
A lot of people think
he might have been killed,
891
00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:56,472
others think he killed himself.
892
00:54:56,597 --> 00:54:59,265
I really think
he decided to take his life.
893
00:54:59,265 --> 00:55:02,893
That was the last bit of control
that he had.
894
00:55:04,978 --> 00:55:07,063
When I heard about that,
895
00:55:07,188 --> 00:55:11,399
I just... I was heartbroken
for these girls.
896
00:55:13,318 --> 00:55:15,194
A federal judge
has officially dismissed
897
00:55:15,319 --> 00:55:17,488
the criminal case
against Jeffrey Epstein.
898
00:55:19,322 --> 00:55:21,324
They have never
gotten justice,
899
00:55:21,449 --> 00:55:24,493
and, you know,
they didn't deserve this.
900
00:55:27,995 --> 00:55:31,957
I was going
through my own feelings
in 2019 when he died.
901
00:55:32,082 --> 00:55:34,125
Uh, he was kind
of a mentor to me,
902
00:55:34,125 --> 00:55:36,001
but he was also my abuser.
903
00:55:36,001 --> 00:55:38,253
Um, so, it was
a very confusing time for me,
904
00:55:38,253 --> 00:55:40,380
and I wanted to know answers
about my life.
905
00:55:40,505 --> 00:55:43,340
So I reached out at that time
to other survivors
906
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:45,509
and called Virginia.
907
00:55:46,425 --> 00:55:48,344
I had my first
conversation with her.
908
00:55:49,845 --> 00:55:52,472
There's just something
that she had in her
909
00:55:52,472 --> 00:55:54,974
that I looked up to
910
00:55:54,974 --> 00:55:59,352
and I really thought
was very brave.
911
00:56:03,355 --> 00:56:06,232
We are here
in Loxahatchee Groves,
912
00:56:06,232 --> 00:56:09,235
which is a rural part
of Palm Beach County,
913
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,488
in which Virginia
Roberts Giuffre grew up.
914
00:56:15,156 --> 00:56:17,116
Not terribly affluent.
915
00:56:19,242 --> 00:56:21,327
I was recruited
at a very young age
916
00:56:21,327 --> 00:56:26,205
from Mar-a-Lago
and entrapped in a world
that I didn't understand,
917
00:56:26,330 --> 00:56:28,374
and I've been fighting
that very world to this day.
918
00:56:28,499 --> 00:56:31,293
And I won't stop fighting.
I will never be silenced.
919
00:56:32,794 --> 00:56:38,298
And here we
have Mar-a-Lago, President
Trump's, uh, private club.
920
00:56:39,549 --> 00:56:43,510
Virginia Giuffre was
a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago,
921
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:47,722
and Ghislaine Maxwell
used to go there for massages.
922
00:56:49,765 --> 00:56:53,935
Ghislaine Maxwell asked
her if she wanted to
learn to be a masseuse
923
00:56:54,060 --> 00:56:56,312
and to come to Epstein's house,
924
00:56:56,312 --> 00:56:59,647
and that was where
she suffered the first abuse.
925
00:57:00,982 --> 00:57:02,983
Do you know
Virginia Roberts?
926
00:57:04,151 --> 00:57:05,777
So, she's... Say again, who?
927
00:57:05,903 --> 00:57:07,153
Virginia Roberts.
928
00:57:08,571 --> 00:57:09,489
Can you spell it?
929
00:57:10,947 --> 00:57:13,325
Common spelling.
Can you spell it for me, please?
930
00:57:14,909 --> 00:57:17,703
R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
931
00:57:17,703 --> 00:57:21,247
And, just for the record,
I can only spell it the
way that it was spelled
932
00:57:21,372 --> 00:57:23,999
in your flight logs
from your airplane.
933
00:57:26,959 --> 00:57:29,879
Virginia Roberts Giuffre
was instrumental
934
00:57:29,879 --> 00:57:31,379
in this story coming forward.
935
00:57:31,379 --> 00:57:34,340
She is the reason,
to a very large extent,
936
00:57:34,340 --> 00:57:36,926
that Jeffrey Epstein
and Ghislaine Maxwell
937
00:57:37,051 --> 00:57:38,468
were even prosecuted,
938
00:57:38,593 --> 00:57:42,055
because of the trail,
of the public record
939
00:57:42,179 --> 00:57:44,556
that she left in
her civil lawsuits.
940
00:57:46,933 --> 00:57:51,269
Virginia Giuffre
was not only key in
exposing Jeffrey Epstein,
941
00:57:51,394 --> 00:57:54,939
you know, she named names
of other people,
942
00:57:55,064 --> 00:57:56,565
such as Prince Andrew.
943
00:57:57,733 --> 00:58:00,276
Abuse
allegations that have
been plaguing the Prince
944
00:58:00,401 --> 00:58:04,238
for years now laid bare
on prime-time TV.
945
00:58:04,238 --> 00:58:07,073
Virginia Roberts Giuffre
alleges Prince Andrew
946
00:58:07,073 --> 00:58:11,159
first sexually abused her
at Ms Maxwell's London home.
947
00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:12,994
Ghislaine woke me
up in the morning and said,
948
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:14,537
"You're gonna meet
a prince today."
949
00:58:15,412 --> 00:58:17,456
I didn't know at that point
950
00:58:17,456 --> 00:58:21,084
{\an8}that I was going to be
trafficked to that prince.
951
00:58:21,084 --> 00:58:24,336
{\an8}And Ghislaine said,
"He's coming back to the house,
952
00:58:24,336 --> 00:58:28,214
{\an8}"and I want you to do for him
what you do for Epstein."
953
00:58:28,214 --> 00:58:30,966
One of Epstein's
accusers, Virginia Roberts...
954
00:58:30,966 --> 00:58:33,468
Yeah. ..has made
allegations against you.
955
00:58:40,306 --> 00:58:42,724
{\an8}It's been six years now...
Yeah.
956
00:58:42,850 --> 00:58:46,686
...since that famous, infamous
interview with Prince Andrew.
957
00:58:46,811 --> 00:58:49,939
Did you ever think
that you would still be
talking about it now?
958
00:58:49,939 --> 00:58:53,733
In a way, I wish the
whole conversation
had started earlier.
959
00:58:53,733 --> 00:58:59,112
You know, we knew when we did it
that it had to be a document,
960
00:58:59,237 --> 00:59:01,656
a public record,
in case it was ever useful.
961
00:59:04,116 --> 00:59:06,576
He was in the room
when I arrived.
962
00:59:06,576 --> 00:59:09,328
He looked ready for it.
963
00:59:09,453 --> 00:59:13,123
He looked like a man
who had waited a long time
964
00:59:13,123 --> 00:59:16,000
to kind of get it off
his chest, frankly.
965
00:59:16,125 --> 00:59:22,171
There is no good time
to talk about Mr Epstein.
966
00:59:22,171 --> 00:59:26,966
My sense is that he thought
he was his own best weapon
967
00:59:26,966 --> 00:59:29,343
in terms of killing
the story dead.
968
00:59:29,469 --> 00:59:33,054
She says she met you in 2001,
969
00:59:33,054 --> 00:59:35,723
and she went on to
have sex with you
970
00:59:35,723 --> 00:59:39,851
in a house in Belgravia
belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell.
971
00:59:39,976 --> 00:59:41,519
Didn't happen.
972
00:59:41,644 --> 00:59:43,687
Do you remember her?
973
00:59:43,812 --> 00:59:45,063
No.
974
00:59:45,063 --> 00:59:47,857
He tried to tell me
that it was a fake photo.
975
00:59:47,982 --> 00:59:53,195
We can't be certain as
to whether or not that's
my hand on-on-on her,
976
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,363
uh, whatever it is,
left... left side.
977
00:59:56,363 --> 01:00:00,033
He'd worked out his, um, alibi.
978
01:00:00,158 --> 01:00:06,162
I'd taken Beatrice to
a PizzaExpress in Woking.
979
01:00:06,287 --> 01:00:08,664
His team had thought
it had gone pretty well.
980
01:00:08,790 --> 01:00:11,249
Britain's Prince
Andrew is facing backlash
981
01:00:11,249 --> 01:00:13,877
after a widely criticised
television interview.
982
01:00:14,002 --> 01:00:18,047
One UK
paper calling the Prince
entitled and obtuse.
983
01:00:18,047 --> 01:00:20,340
Four days
after Newsnight broadcast
984
01:00:20,340 --> 01:00:23,717
its interview with
Prince Andrew, he's
made this announcement.
985
01:00:23,717 --> 01:00:26,677
"I have asked Her Majesty
if I may step back from
986
01:00:26,677 --> 01:00:29,013
"public duties
for the foreseeable future,
987
01:00:29,138 --> 01:00:31,264
"and she has given
her permission."
988
01:00:31,264 --> 01:00:35,101
The interview
that he gave the BBC,
989
01:00:35,101 --> 01:00:38,478
that was beyond disingenuous.
990
01:00:39,813 --> 01:00:42,397
He started his slow decline
991
01:00:42,397 --> 01:00:46,275
to ultimately being
stripped of his princehood.
992
01:00:46,401 --> 01:00:49,737
And I think that that was
the beginning of the end.
993
01:00:50,654 --> 01:00:53,657
It's... it's an eye for an eye,
a scar for a scar.
994
01:00:57,076 --> 01:00:58,910
No matter how much
I go through therapy,
995
01:00:59,035 --> 01:01:02,496
I'm embedded with scars
that will never leave me, ever.
996
01:01:07,917 --> 01:01:11,128
Virginia Giuffre
was also instrumental to
997
01:01:11,253 --> 01:01:14,797
the downfall of the other
person in that photograph
- Ghislaine Maxwell.
998
01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:21,094
In 2022, Ghislaine Maxwell was
sentenced to 20 years in prison
999
01:01:21,219 --> 01:01:23,178
for sex trafficking
and other crimes.
1000
01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:29,767
But there was
a growing public outrage
1001
01:01:29,767 --> 01:01:34,395
that she was the only
person to face consequences
in the Epstein scandal.
1002
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,856
People were asking,
"What about the men?"
1003
01:01:38,732 --> 01:01:40,650
No-one had brought charges,
1004
01:01:40,775 --> 01:01:45,362
and this was across Republican
and Democratic administrations.
1005
01:01:48,906 --> 01:01:53,201
When and how did
concerns about Epstein's crimes
1006
01:01:53,201 --> 01:01:57,121
start spilling over into
the territory of the public
1007
01:01:57,246 --> 01:01:59,247
really wanting to see the files?
1008
01:01:59,247 --> 01:02:03,375
Donald Trump really was the one
who prompted that.
1009
01:02:06,669 --> 01:02:10,213
Then he got to be embroiled
in it himself.
1010
01:02:12,257 --> 01:02:13,175
Donald Trump's name
1011
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:14,925
is all over these files.
1012
01:02:14,925 --> 01:02:17,303
Flight logs show
Trump travelled on Epstein's
1013
01:02:17,428 --> 01:02:20,889
private jet many more times
than prosecutors were aware.
1014
01:02:24,183 --> 01:02:27,310
{\an8}Have you ever had
a personal relationship
with Donald Trump?
1015
01:02:28,603 --> 01:02:30,729
{\an8}What do you mean by
"personal relationship", sir?
1016
01:02:30,854 --> 01:02:33,940
{\an8}Have you socialised with him?
Yes, sir.
1017
01:02:34,064 --> 01:02:35,733
{\an8}Yes?
Yes, sir.
1018
01:02:35,858 --> 01:02:38,651
{\an8}Have you ever socialised
with Donald Trump
1019
01:02:38,777 --> 01:02:43,822
{\an8}in the presence of females
under the age of 18?
1020
01:02:47,575 --> 01:02:50,952
{\an8}Though I'd like to answer
that question, at least today,
1021
01:02:50,952 --> 01:02:52,287
{\an8}I'm going to have to assert my
1022
01:02:52,287 --> 01:02:55,331
{\an8}Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth
Amendment rights, sir.
1023
01:02:57,833 --> 01:03:00,043
It's indisputable
that Trump had
1024
01:03:00,043 --> 01:03:03,128
a long-term friendship
with Epstein.
1025
01:03:03,253 --> 01:03:04,713
He told the world about it.
1026
01:03:04,838 --> 01:03:08,299
Do you still think Jeffrey
Epstein is a terrific guy?
1027
01:03:08,424 --> 01:03:10,675
Well, I knew him, like everybody
in Palm Beach knew him.
1028
01:03:10,675 --> 01:03:12,260
I mean, people
in Palm Beach knew him.
1029
01:03:12,385 --> 01:03:14,220
He was a fixture in Palm Beach.
1030
01:03:14,345 --> 01:03:16,305
There was
the infamous interview
1031
01:03:16,305 --> 01:03:19,682
where he called
Epstein a great guy,
1032
01:03:19,682 --> 01:03:22,559
likes women "on
the younger side".
1033
01:03:23,602 --> 01:03:27,063
Jeffrey Epstein's
50th birthday book in 2003
1034
01:03:27,063 --> 01:03:31,191
has a drawing of
a nude female figure
1035
01:03:31,191 --> 01:03:32,692
{\an8}with Trump's name on it.
1036
01:03:33,819 --> 01:03:35,486
He denies that
it's his signature,
1037
01:03:35,611 --> 01:03:37,905
we have multiple
handwriting experts
1038
01:03:37,905 --> 01:03:39,864
saying that it is.
1039
01:03:39,989 --> 01:03:41,700
I don't do drawings.
1040
01:03:41,825 --> 01:03:43,450
I'm not a drawing person.
1041
01:03:44,201 --> 01:03:46,369
The fact
that he had such a long,
1042
01:03:46,494 --> 01:03:48,704
personal friendship with Epstein
1043
01:03:48,704 --> 01:03:50,706
raises questions about
1044
01:03:50,706 --> 01:03:53,667
what he knew about
Epstein's behaviour.
1045
01:03:53,667 --> 01:03:55,793
I had a falling out with him
a long time ago.
1046
01:03:55,793 --> 01:03:59,462
I don't think I've spoken to him
for 15 years. I wasn't a fan.
1047
01:04:00,672 --> 01:04:02,965
When do you think it was
that the Epstein files
1048
01:04:02,965 --> 01:04:06,175
actually started becoming a big
problem for President Trump?
1049
01:04:06,175 --> 01:04:11,555
I think it became a problem soon
after he assumed office again.
1050
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,056
We are going to drain the swamp,
1051
01:04:14,056 --> 01:04:15,933
and we're going to do it
once and for all.
1052
01:04:15,933 --> 01:04:19,519
Prior to his re-election,
he had been asked point-blank,
1053
01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:21,730
would you support
releasing the files?
1054
01:04:21,730 --> 01:04:24,231
Would you declassify
the Epstein files?
1055
01:04:24,356 --> 01:04:26,357
Yeah. Yeah, I would.
1056
01:04:26,357 --> 01:04:30,235
And many of the people
around him, they said yes.
1057
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,237
Seriously, we need to release
the Epstein list.
1058
01:04:32,237 --> 01:04:33,697
That is an important thing.
1059
01:04:33,822 --> 01:04:37,658
How is it that my father
can be convicted of 34 crimes,
1060
01:04:37,658 --> 01:04:42,161
but no-one on Epstein's list
has even been brought to light.
1061
01:04:42,286 --> 01:04:44,246
So, this was a campaign promise
1062
01:04:44,246 --> 01:04:46,622
that they had made
to their supporters.
1063
01:04:47,373 --> 01:04:50,500
Ghislaine. Look into her father,
Robert Maxwell.
1064
01:04:50,625 --> 01:04:53,211
All the answers are right there.
Yeah. Because he was a spy.
1065
01:04:53,211 --> 01:04:55,588
Trump built a
coalition of followers
1066
01:04:55,588 --> 01:04:58,465
who are very conspiratorial
in their world views
1067
01:04:58,465 --> 01:05:02,134
and were already
Epstein conspiracy theorists.
1068
01:05:03,177 --> 01:05:05,346
You don't know that she's 16,
and she takes you in a room
1069
01:05:05,471 --> 01:05:07,889
and that room is filled
with cameras, that's...
1070
01:05:07,889 --> 01:05:09,724
Blackmail.
Yeah.
1071
01:05:09,724 --> 01:05:14,435
So, there were fantasies about
massive sex-trafficking rings,
1072
01:05:14,435 --> 01:05:16,896
views about blackmail rings,
1073
01:05:16,896 --> 01:05:18,480
and that Epstein was controlling
1074
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,648
all sorts of rich
and powerful people.
1075
01:05:20,774 --> 01:05:22,858
I believe very strongly
he was a spy, yes.
1076
01:05:22,983 --> 01:05:24,610
And who do you think
he was working for?
1077
01:05:24,735 --> 01:05:26,360
The Israelis.
1078
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:30,489
Trump cosied
up to QAnon, and it
created a lore around him
1079
01:05:30,614 --> 01:05:34,158
that he was bringing down
these evil, powerful people,
1080
01:05:34,283 --> 01:05:36,911
'cause the establishment
was entirely corrupt
1081
01:05:36,911 --> 01:05:39,245
and he was the outsider
who was going to come in
1082
01:05:39,245 --> 01:05:40,789
and drain the swamp.
1083
01:05:48,670 --> 01:05:50,754
So, early in
Trump's second term,
1084
01:05:50,879 --> 01:05:53,799
he appoints Pam Bondi
as Attorney-General,
1085
01:05:53,799 --> 01:05:58,593
and she runs with the Epstein
story almost immediately.
1086
01:05:58,593 --> 01:06:01,137
This is something Donald Trump
has talked about.
1087
01:06:01,137 --> 01:06:05,516
The DOJ may be releasing
the list of Jeffrey
Epstein's clients?
1088
01:06:05,516 --> 01:06:08,434
In February of 2025,
1089
01:06:08,434 --> 01:06:10,143
Bondi goes out and says
1090
01:06:10,268 --> 01:06:15,773
that she has the Epstein files
and the client list on her desk.
1091
01:06:15,773 --> 01:06:18,858
It's sitting on my desk
right now, to review.
1092
01:06:18,858 --> 01:06:21,361
That's been a directive
by President Trump.
1093
01:06:21,361 --> 01:06:24,989
Then there's a
180-degree reversal.
1094
01:06:26,406 --> 01:06:28,616
There's the release
of the July memo
1095
01:06:28,616 --> 01:06:31,827
from the FBI
and the Department of Justice.
1096
01:06:31,952 --> 01:06:34,662
And the July memo says
an extraordinary thing.
1097
01:06:34,787 --> 01:06:36,831
It says that there are more than
1098
01:06:36,956 --> 01:06:40,291
a thousand survivors of
Jeffrey Epstein's abuse,
1099
01:06:40,291 --> 01:06:42,876
and then says there's
nothing to investigate,
1100
01:06:42,876 --> 01:06:45,212
there's nothing to release,
1101
01:06:45,212 --> 01:06:46,671
turn the other way.
1102
01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:49,841
There was, quote,
"No client list
1103
01:06:49,966 --> 01:06:52,509
"or evidence that he blackmailed
prominent figures,"
1104
01:06:52,509 --> 01:06:54,969
according to a memo
detailing the findings.
1105
01:06:55,094 --> 01:06:58,680
The review also concluded
that Epstein died by suicide
1106
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,974
while in custody at a Manhattan
correctional facility.
1107
01:07:00,974 --> 01:07:05,102
That memo just sent shock waves
throughout the American ether,
1108
01:07:05,102 --> 01:07:08,688
especially with the MAGA base
who was so invested.
1109
01:07:08,688 --> 01:07:11,064
All those videos are saying,
"Yeah, she's seen the videos,
1110
01:07:11,189 --> 01:07:12,482
"it's all coming out."
1111
01:07:12,482 --> 01:07:14,650
And then now it doesn't exist.
I mean, what? What?!
1112
01:07:14,650 --> 01:07:17,278
Joe, wanna check the tweet
that Elon just put out?
1113
01:07:17,278 --> 01:07:19,154
"Time to drop the
really big bomb.
1114
01:07:19,154 --> 01:07:21,406
"Donald Trump is
in the Epstein files.
1115
01:07:21,406 --> 01:07:23,574
"That's the real reason
they have not been made public."
1116
01:07:23,699 --> 01:07:26,075
The Jeffrey Epstein case
has caused backlash
1117
01:07:26,075 --> 01:07:27,243
within President Trump's base,
1118
01:07:27,243 --> 01:07:30,412
fuelling conspiracy theories
that more details exist
1119
01:07:30,412 --> 01:07:32,414
but are being hidden
from the public.
1120
01:07:33,540 --> 01:07:35,374
I'm not gonna
play with these anymore.
1121
01:07:35,374 --> 01:07:37,126
MAGA hats are off.
1122
01:07:44,256 --> 01:07:46,049
Burn, baby, burn.
1123
01:07:46,174 --> 01:07:49,427
And this is a great
representation of
what's left of MAGA.
1124
01:07:50,927 --> 01:07:54,221
I think the President
always felt like he could
control his MAGA base,
1125
01:07:54,221 --> 01:07:55,681
but it's the influencers
1126
01:07:55,681 --> 01:07:58,350
who have also really
kept this story alive
1127
01:07:58,350 --> 01:08:00,435
and have been very
critical of him.
1128
01:08:00,435 --> 01:08:02,645
We voted for Trump
because we wanted justice,
1129
01:08:02,770 --> 01:08:05,564
and justice involves
actually holding accountable
1130
01:08:05,689 --> 01:08:07,482
the people who committed
that wrongdoing.
1131
01:08:18,198 --> 01:08:20,408
It just continued and continued,
1132
01:08:20,408 --> 01:08:23,535
and the President himself
kept calling it a hoax.
1133
01:08:23,535 --> 01:08:25,621
Well, I haven't been
overly interested in it.
1134
01:08:25,621 --> 01:08:27,205
You know, it's something...
1135
01:08:27,205 --> 01:08:29,916
It's a hoax that's been built up
way beyond proportion.
1136
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,626
I know it's a hoax.
It's started by Democrats.
1137
01:08:32,751 --> 01:08:34,210
When you call something a hoax,
1138
01:08:34,210 --> 01:08:36,337
and yet people know that there's
a tremendous amount of evidence
1139
01:08:36,462 --> 01:08:37,713
out there that it's not a hoax,
1140
01:08:37,713 --> 01:08:40,548
it makes them only want to
know more about it.
1141
01:08:40,548 --> 01:08:42,466
{\an8}The President
writing on social media:
1142
01:08:52,140 --> 01:08:53,809
Some stupid Republicans
1143
01:08:53,934 --> 01:08:56,310
and foolish Republicans
fall into the net.
1144
01:08:56,310 --> 01:08:57,977
I call it the Epstein hoax.
1145
01:09:01,815 --> 01:09:03,440
Hello? Hi.
Come on in. Hi.
1146
01:09:03,565 --> 01:09:04,775
Marjorie.
Yes, hello.
1147
01:09:04,900 --> 01:09:07,068
Hi, I'm Grace Tobin.
Nice to meet you.
1148
01:09:07,193 --> 01:09:10,779
Nice to meet you, too. Grab a
seat under this big ball light.
1149
01:09:10,779 --> 01:09:12,489
Yeah, that's quite a light.
I know, isn't it?
1150
01:09:12,489 --> 01:09:13,824
Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
1151
01:09:15,533 --> 01:09:18,994
Do you think that these
supporters are losing
heart and losing trust
1152
01:09:19,119 --> 01:09:22,329
in President Trump now
because of the Epstein files?
1153
01:09:22,329 --> 01:09:24,331
Many of them, yes.
1154
01:09:24,456 --> 01:09:26,916
It was a line in
the sand for them.
1155
01:09:26,916 --> 01:09:29,627
They couldn't understand
it the same way I
couldn't understand it.
1156
01:09:29,627 --> 01:09:31,461
Why would he cover this up?
1157
01:09:31,586 --> 01:09:33,797
And that was, um...
1158
01:09:35,297 --> 01:09:39,134
That was something that
none of us ever expected
from President Trump.
1159
01:09:46,889 --> 01:09:50,517
I'm Rick Frazier,
and I presently live
in St Marys, Ohio.
1160
01:09:50,642 --> 01:09:52,269
Mmm. It's good.
1161
01:09:52,269 --> 01:09:53,978
Mm. Strong?
Good coffee.
1162
01:09:55,563 --> 01:10:00,358
I'm a front-row Joe,
and I'd show up five,
six days ahead of time
1163
01:10:00,483 --> 01:10:02,067
to one of his rallies.
1164
01:10:02,192 --> 01:10:03,986
It's very quick,
but it's brutal.
1165
01:10:03,986 --> 01:10:06,821
I still worked hard to help
Trump, you know, get elected.
1166
01:10:08,781 --> 01:10:12,701
But, to be honest with you,
it pisses me off that -
1167
01:10:12,701 --> 01:10:14,285
if I can use that language -
1168
01:10:14,285 --> 01:10:16,787
that on one hand,
1169
01:10:16,787 --> 01:10:20,040
we were promised
by the President that
this is gonna happen.
1170
01:10:21,082 --> 01:10:22,541
Then, on the other hand,
1171
01:10:22,666 --> 01:10:25,628
he turns around
and it didn't happen.
1172
01:10:25,753 --> 01:10:29,756
I can't see why he...
who he's protecting.
1173
01:10:29,756 --> 01:10:32,466
I honestly, in my mind,
don't think he's involved.
1174
01:10:32,466 --> 01:10:34,842
You can be in
pictures with anyone,
1175
01:10:34,967 --> 01:10:38,011
but until we got transparency,
how do we know?
1176
01:10:44,266 --> 01:10:46,726
There is
new pressure on the
Trump Administration
1177
01:10:46,726 --> 01:10:49,896
from Republicans looking into
the Jeffrey Epstein case.
1178
01:10:49,896 --> 01:10:52,481
Donald Trump
is aimed at one of his own,
1179
01:10:52,481 --> 01:10:55,316
Republican congressman
Thomas Massie.
1180
01:10:55,316 --> 01:10:58,485
This moron Thomas Massie,
1181
01:10:58,485 --> 01:11:00,695
there's something
wrong with him.
1182
01:11:05,658 --> 01:11:09,035
When did you first start
becoming concerned
1183
01:11:09,035 --> 01:11:11,787
about what's now known
as the Epstein files?
1184
01:11:11,787 --> 01:11:14,997
So, it started
a couple years ago for me,
1185
01:11:15,122 --> 01:11:17,541
and it really came
to the forefront
1186
01:11:17,541 --> 01:11:20,710
when President Trump
and people in his Cabinet
1187
01:11:20,835 --> 01:11:23,545
promised that they were going to
release these files.
1188
01:11:23,545 --> 01:11:26,547
But none of them followed
through on their promise,
1189
01:11:26,673 --> 01:11:28,883
which became suspicious to me.
1190
01:11:30,092 --> 01:11:33,262
My Democrat colleague
Ro Khanna, from California,
1191
01:11:33,387 --> 01:11:35,596
cares about the victims,
1192
01:11:35,596 --> 01:11:38,723
and so I reached out to him
and said,
1193
01:11:38,848 --> 01:11:42,935
"Ro, um, if I do
a discharge petition,
1194
01:11:42,935 --> 01:11:48,690
"do you think you
could get every single
Democrat to sign it?"
1195
01:11:48,690 --> 01:11:51,608
And he did deliver
on that promise.
1196
01:11:52,943 --> 01:11:55,528
Democrat Ro Khanna
and Republican Thomas Massie
1197
01:11:55,528 --> 01:11:57,530
are leading a bipartisan push
in the House
1198
01:11:57,530 --> 01:11:59,072
for the release of
the Epstein files.
1199
01:11:59,072 --> 01:12:01,783
People feel that
the rich and the powerful
1200
01:12:01,908 --> 01:12:04,076
have been not held accountable,
1201
01:12:04,076 --> 01:12:06,202
that they have
a different set of rules,
1202
01:12:06,202 --> 01:12:08,705
and that there may be
government officials involved.
1203
01:12:08,705 --> 01:12:12,124
Thomas Massie
just filed a discharge petition
1204
01:12:12,249 --> 01:12:15,042
to force this vote
on releasing the files.
1205
01:12:15,042 --> 01:12:16,752
That's something that
Speaker Mike Johnson
1206
01:12:16,877 --> 01:12:18,795
has really been trying to avoid.
1207
01:12:18,795 --> 01:12:21,089
The White House
has warned Republicans
1208
01:12:21,089 --> 01:12:22,756
not to side with Massie.
1209
01:12:22,881 --> 01:12:25,342
Even a White House official
telling reporters last night
1210
01:12:25,467 --> 01:12:28,136
that this would be viewed
as an act of hostility.
1211
01:12:33,223 --> 01:12:37,310
Well, I have a 98% voting record
with the President,
1212
01:12:37,310 --> 01:12:40,228
was one of his most
loyal defenders.
1213
01:12:40,228 --> 01:12:43,897
Marjorie Taylor Greene,
please come up. Come.
1214
01:12:43,897 --> 01:12:46,316
MTG! MTG!
1215
01:12:46,441 --> 01:12:47,901
Thank you, Mr President.
1216
01:12:47,901 --> 01:12:51,987
Alright, Georgia, we know
what we're going to do in 2024.
1217
01:12:52,112 --> 01:12:56,115
He was angry at me
for siding with Thomas Massie
1218
01:12:56,115 --> 01:12:58,116
and signing on
the discharge petition.
1219
01:12:58,241 --> 01:13:00,785
To me, it was a matter of
right and wrong
1220
01:13:00,911 --> 01:13:02,620
and standing up for these women.
1221
01:13:02,745 --> 01:13:05,623
The greatest president
in United States history,
1222
01:13:05,748 --> 01:13:08,124
Donald J. Trump, right, Georgia?
1223
01:13:11,418 --> 01:13:12,669
Marjorie Taylor Greene,
1224
01:13:12,669 --> 01:13:14,795
she's the female version
of Donald Trump.
1225
01:13:14,795 --> 01:13:16,881
She was full-blood MAGA.
1226
01:13:17,006 --> 01:13:20,759
So, for her to be one of the
people to stand up against him
1227
01:13:20,759 --> 01:13:24,803
is very significant
in American politics.
1228
01:13:24,929 --> 01:13:27,889
He was losing control of
the situation.
1229
01:13:29,807 --> 01:13:32,851
When you sign
that discharge petition,
1230
01:13:32,976 --> 01:13:36,270
afterwards you took a phone call
with President Trump.
1231
01:13:36,395 --> 01:13:40,190
He said that it was going to
hurt people that he knew.
1232
01:13:40,315 --> 01:13:41,691
What people?
1233
01:13:41,691 --> 01:13:44,693
I don't know. I still don't know
that to this day.
1234
01:13:44,693 --> 01:13:48,029
But the way he treated me
and the names that he called me,
1235
01:13:48,154 --> 01:13:51,198
sent death threats upon me
and then my children.
1236
01:13:58,286 --> 01:14:00,163
This is my
fifth year in Congress
1237
01:14:00,163 --> 01:14:02,456
and this is the largest
press conference
1238
01:14:02,456 --> 01:14:04,875
that I've seen since
I've been here.
1239
01:14:04,875 --> 01:14:07,210
As people like
Marjorie Taylor Greene
1240
01:14:07,210 --> 01:14:11,213
started getting involved,
the snowball started rolling.
1241
01:14:11,338 --> 01:14:13,632
This is not about politics,
1242
01:14:13,757 --> 01:14:17,176
this is a boiling point
in American history.
1243
01:14:17,301 --> 01:14:19,844
We see some
very effective advocacy
1244
01:14:19,844 --> 01:14:22,221
on behalf of the
victims themselves.
1245
01:14:22,221 --> 01:14:25,015
Why did he get away
with it in 2008?
1246
01:14:25,015 --> 01:14:27,976
Why was Jeffrey Epstein
so protected?
1247
01:14:27,976 --> 01:14:30,060
Why was Maxwell the only one
held accountable
1248
01:14:30,060 --> 01:14:31,853
when so many others
played a role?
1249
01:14:31,979 --> 01:14:33,855
Let the public know the truth.
1250
01:14:35,231 --> 01:14:38,108
I speak today not only
in service of my own recovery,
1251
01:14:38,233 --> 01:14:42,194
but to honour the lives,
the courage and sacrifices
1252
01:14:42,319 --> 01:14:44,697
of Virginia Giuffre
1253
01:14:44,697 --> 01:14:46,447
and others who
could not continue.
1254
01:14:48,741 --> 01:14:52,202
Victims
of the convicted sex
offender Jeffrey Epstein
1255
01:14:52,327 --> 01:14:54,579
have paid tribute
to Virginia Giuffre
1256
01:14:54,579 --> 01:14:56,998
at a rally in Washington, DC.
1257
01:14:57,123 --> 01:14:59,916
She took her own life
in April this year.
1258
01:15:01,334 --> 01:15:03,669
It made me very sad
when she passed.
1259
01:15:04,837 --> 01:15:08,715
This sort of damage,
you can stuff it down
for years and years,
1260
01:15:08,715 --> 01:15:11,174
but the effects
will always catch up.
1261
01:15:11,174 --> 01:15:14,218
Virginia said it
best, and I quote,
1262
01:15:14,218 --> 01:15:17,388
"They say time can heal,
but this won't.
1263
01:15:17,513 --> 01:15:20,557
"Not until the justice
system makes an example
out of these people
1264
01:15:20,557 --> 01:15:22,391
"with so-called privileges.
1265
01:15:22,516 --> 01:15:24,643
"I just call it money."
1266
01:15:24,643 --> 01:15:25,935
People believe her now.
1267
01:15:26,853 --> 01:15:28,229
I mean, she won...
1268
01:15:29,397 --> 01:15:30,939
...in a sad way.
1269
01:15:37,069 --> 01:15:40,614
So we gather here
on the steps of the Capitol
1270
01:15:40,739 --> 01:15:42,990
to confront these
corrupt forces.
1271
01:15:44,408 --> 01:15:49,579
We know we have 212 Democrats
and we have four Republicans,
1272
01:15:49,704 --> 01:15:51,371
courageous Republicans.
1273
01:15:51,371 --> 01:15:55,124
The only supporters that I got
from my discharge petition
1274
01:15:55,249 --> 01:15:58,293
on the Republican side of
the aisle were all women.
1275
01:15:58,418 --> 01:15:59,794
Marjorie Taylor Greene,
1276
01:15:59,794 --> 01:16:01,588
Lauren Boebert and Nancy Mace.
1277
01:16:03,005 --> 01:16:07,133
They were woken up at
5am in the morning with
the President saying,
1278
01:16:07,258 --> 01:16:08,968
"F this, F that.
1279
01:16:09,093 --> 01:16:11,470
"Get your effing name
off of this thing."
1280
01:16:11,595 --> 01:16:14,931
But, to their credit, all three
of those women stayed strong.
1281
01:16:16,432 --> 01:16:19,768
There was a time
when few believed
1282
01:16:19,768 --> 01:16:24,438
that they would actually
be able to get the
passage of these files.
1283
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:28,733
And it was only after
it became very clear
1284
01:16:28,733 --> 01:16:31,109
that Trump was going
to lose on this vote,
1285
01:16:31,235 --> 01:16:35,238
then finally
he claimed to support it.
1286
01:16:36,405 --> 01:16:39,783
We've done a great job,
and I hate to see that,
1287
01:16:39,783 --> 01:16:43,244
uh, deflect from
the great job we've done.
1288
01:16:43,244 --> 01:16:45,454
So I'm all for it.
1289
01:16:45,579 --> 01:16:49,374
What eventually happened
was a nearly unanimous vote.
1290
01:16:50,165 --> 01:16:54,961
The yeas are 427,
the nays are one.
1291
01:16:54,961 --> 01:16:56,712
The bill is passed,
1292
01:16:56,712 --> 01:17:00,924
and without objection,
the motion to reconsider
is laid on the table.
1293
01:17:05,761 --> 01:17:09,639
Mr Speaker, today
is an extraordinary
day in this chamber.
1294
01:17:09,639 --> 01:17:13,016
This is about the powerless
1295
01:17:13,141 --> 01:17:18,770
taking power away
from the very powerful.
1296
01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:21,439
When Trump backflipped on it,
1297
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,440
the survivors won.
1298
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:27,652
The Senate has passed the bill
under unanimous consent!
1299
01:17:32,531 --> 01:17:34,198
The bill forces
the Justice Department
1300
01:17:34,323 --> 01:17:37,577
to release Epstein file
documents within 30 days.
1301
01:17:57,633 --> 01:18:01,052
Once the Epstein Files
Transparency Act became law,
1302
01:18:01,177 --> 01:18:04,513
there was a deadline -
December 19th -
1303
01:18:04,513 --> 01:18:06,389
for the release of everything.
1304
01:18:06,514 --> 01:18:09,225
Deputy
Attorney-General Todd
Blanche says, however,
1305
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:12,227
several hundred thousand pages
of records will be made public,
1306
01:18:12,227 --> 01:18:14,604
with more to come
in the coming weeks.
1307
01:18:14,604 --> 01:18:15,688
Hundreds of thousands...
1308
01:18:15,688 --> 01:18:17,315
I could sit at home
1309
01:18:17,315 --> 01:18:19,232
and just stay on the couch
and not be involved,
1310
01:18:19,232 --> 01:18:23,110
but being here is historic.
1311
01:18:24,111 --> 01:18:26,196
We got a few hours
till we find out.
1312
01:18:26,196 --> 01:18:28,740
But we're talking
about a tonnage of information
1313
01:18:28,865 --> 01:18:31,700
that may take some time
just to process.
1314
01:18:31,700 --> 01:18:34,243
The Justice Department
has now begun
1315
01:18:34,368 --> 01:18:37,205
the release of
the Epstein files.
1316
01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:44,877
The first release was a blip
on the radar, not even that.
1317
01:18:44,877 --> 01:18:47,253
There was a picture
of Bill Clinton.
1318
01:18:47,378 --> 01:18:49,672
There was very little
about Donald Trump.
1319
01:18:49,672 --> 01:18:54,217
It was widely regarded
to have few major revelations.
1320
01:18:55,384 --> 01:18:59,095
At least 550 pages
were fully redacted.
1321
01:18:59,095 --> 01:19:01,097
We have
just a fraction right now
1322
01:19:01,097 --> 01:19:02,807
of what is believed to exist.
1323
01:19:02,807 --> 01:19:03,891
It
failed, in our book.
1324
01:19:04,016 --> 01:19:05,226
We haven't received
full transparency,
1325
01:19:05,226 --> 01:19:07,310
and it's an incomplete
release of the files.
1326
01:19:10,062 --> 01:19:12,689
That must be his...
his prison cell.
1327
01:19:12,689 --> 01:19:17,109
I'm pretty disappointed
since we were told transparency,
1328
01:19:17,235 --> 01:19:19,236
and we're not really seeing it.
1329
01:19:19,236 --> 01:19:21,571
And if that's the best
they're gonna do,
1330
01:19:21,571 --> 01:19:23,739
I don't think we're ever
gonna get to the truth.
1331
01:19:26,574 --> 01:19:29,035
This was a slap in the face
of survivors.
1332
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,412
They're flouting the spirit
and the letter of the law.
1333
01:19:32,538 --> 01:19:37,083
People kept
trying to push for the
release of the files,
1334
01:19:37,083 --> 01:19:39,417
and six weeks later,
all of a sudden,
1335
01:19:39,543 --> 01:19:43,420
3.5 million documents
hit the public.
1336
01:19:45,631 --> 01:19:47,757
3 million
pages of documents,
1337
01:19:47,757 --> 01:19:51,260
180,000 images and 2,000 videos.
1338
01:19:51,385 --> 01:19:53,387
The latest release
of files related to
1339
01:19:53,387 --> 01:19:55,930
the paedophile
Jeffrey Epstein is shocking
1340
01:19:55,930 --> 01:19:58,306
in its size and its content.
1341
01:19:58,431 --> 01:20:01,226
Of the 180,000
images released,
1342
01:20:01,351 --> 01:20:03,435
these pictures of
the King's brother
1343
01:20:03,435 --> 01:20:05,604
seem to be what everyone
is talking about.
1344
01:20:05,729 --> 01:20:09,649
Police are
assessing claims Andrew
Mountbatten-Windsor
1345
01:20:09,774 --> 01:20:13,277
shared confidential reports
with Jeffrey Epstein.
1346
01:20:14,444 --> 01:20:18,280
All of a
sudden, there are global
investigations in Europe.
1347
01:20:19,448 --> 01:20:21,158
Active
investigations are now under way
1348
01:20:21,283 --> 01:20:23,284
in at least 10 countries.
1349
01:20:23,409 --> 01:20:26,327
Poland has launched a probe
into the Epstein files
1350
01:20:26,327 --> 01:20:29,789
in a search of any potential
victims from that country.
1351
01:20:29,913 --> 01:20:32,082
{\an8}In Europe, the
former prime minister of Norway
1352
01:20:32,082 --> 01:20:34,500
{\an8}has been charged
with gross corruption.
1353
01:20:34,625 --> 01:20:36,961
Poland's prime
minister also says his country
1354
01:20:36,961 --> 01:20:38,670
would investigate
possible links between
1355
01:20:38,795 --> 01:20:40,088
the convicted sex offender
1356
01:20:40,088 --> 01:20:42,173
and Russian
intelligence services.
1357
01:20:43,090 --> 01:20:46,009
The
people who maintained a
friendship with Epstein,
1358
01:20:46,009 --> 01:20:48,094
communications that
they thought were private
1359
01:20:48,094 --> 01:20:52,139
are now filling the pages
of newspapers internationally.
1360
01:20:53,724 --> 01:20:56,309
My gosh,
was this embarrassing?
1361
01:20:56,309 --> 01:20:58,143
Can we start with Peter Attia?
1362
01:21:07,942 --> 01:21:10,611
Good Lord,
another very prominent person
1363
01:21:10,611 --> 01:21:12,988
caught up in all this
is Bill Gates, of course.
1364
01:21:13,113 --> 01:21:14,739
Claims that he picked up
1365
01:21:14,739 --> 01:21:18,033
a sexually transmitted disease
from a Russian woman.
1366
01:21:18,158 --> 01:21:20,285
He's denied that publicly.
1367
01:21:20,285 --> 01:21:22,578
We have this footage
where Steve Bannon
1368
01:21:22,578 --> 01:21:27,165
is interviewing Epstein to try
to rehabilitate Epstein's image.
1369
01:21:27,290 --> 01:21:29,083
At the same time,
people are making sense
1370
01:21:29,083 --> 01:21:30,792
of the 3.5 million files,
1371
01:21:30,792 --> 01:21:35,463
there's Congress, who is
continuing to investigate this
1372
01:21:35,463 --> 01:21:37,839
and continuing to
call witnesses,
1373
01:21:37,839 --> 01:21:39,758
including the Attorney-General.
1374
01:21:44,595 --> 01:21:46,471
Alright, getting
back to our breaking news,
1375
01:21:46,471 --> 01:21:48,640
Attorney-General Pam Bondi
is set to testify
1376
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,558
before the House Judiciary
Committee at any moment now.
1377
01:21:51,683 --> 01:21:53,976
Survivors say
their identities were exposed
1378
01:21:53,976 --> 01:21:55,770
because of inadequate redaction.
1379
01:21:57,688 --> 01:21:59,648
Well, right now, we're
heading over to the Capitol.
1380
01:21:59,648 --> 01:22:04,193
{\an8}I have a meeting with
Congressman Lou Correa.
1381
01:22:04,318 --> 01:22:08,530
After that, we'll be heading
over to Pam Bondi's hearing.
1382
01:22:18,286 --> 01:22:20,163
We have Congress
working on our side,
1383
01:22:20,163 --> 01:22:22,790
and, you know, they want answers
just as much as we do.
1384
01:22:24,458 --> 01:22:26,709
Hi. Nice to meet you.
Hi.
1385
01:22:26,835 --> 01:22:29,003
Hi. Lisa. Nice to meet you.
Pleasure meeting you.
1386
01:22:29,003 --> 01:22:31,213
Come on in. We have a
camera guy following us.
1387
01:22:31,213 --> 01:22:33,632
Oh, my, I should
have put my tie on.
1388
01:22:40,011 --> 01:22:42,096
{\an8}I wanna take a
moment to acknowledge
1389
01:22:42,221 --> 01:22:45,057
{\an8}the Epstein survivors
who are here today.
1390
01:22:45,057 --> 01:22:48,351
I am deeply sorry
for what any victim,
1391
01:22:48,351 --> 01:22:51,270
any victim has been through.
1392
01:22:51,395 --> 01:22:57,275
{\an8}Attorney-General Bondi, will you
turn to them now and apologise
1393
01:22:57,275 --> 01:23:02,111
{\an8}for what your Department of
Justice has put them through
1394
01:23:02,111 --> 01:23:05,281
with the absolutely
unacceptable release of
1395
01:23:05,406 --> 01:23:08,366
the Epstein files
and their information.
1396
01:23:17,290 --> 01:23:20,959
I was pretty
shocked that she just
didn't even turn her head,
1397
01:23:21,084 --> 01:23:24,253
just not even just a little bit
just to acknowledge.
1398
01:23:24,253 --> 01:23:26,087
It doesn't even have to be
an apology,
1399
01:23:26,087 --> 01:23:28,214
but to acknowledge
that we were there
1400
01:23:28,214 --> 01:23:30,758
and that we represent
1,200 survivors.
1401
01:23:33,218 --> 01:23:35,428
{\an8}To my right is an email
1402
01:23:35,428 --> 01:23:38,305
{\an8}that was sent by
the victims' lawyers to the DOJ.
1403
01:23:38,430 --> 01:23:40,849
{\an8}It was a list of names
not to release.
1404
01:23:40,974 --> 01:23:43,476
They released this email!
1405
01:23:43,601 --> 01:23:47,937
Literally the worst
thing you could do to
the survivors, you did.
1406
01:23:47,937 --> 01:23:49,938
And we know you touched
the document
1407
01:23:50,064 --> 01:23:51,607
because you redacted
the lawyer's name,
1408
01:23:51,607 --> 01:23:53,816
but you left
the survivor's name there.
1409
01:23:53,941 --> 01:23:57,028
So, I really have
just one question for you.
1410
01:23:57,153 --> 01:24:00,363
{\an8}How many of Epstein's
co-conspirators
have you indicted?
1411
01:24:00,363 --> 01:24:04,450
{\an8}How many perpetrators
are you even investigating?
1412
01:24:04,450 --> 01:24:06,993
First, you showed a...
1413
01:24:07,118 --> 01:24:09,120
I find it...
How many have you indicted?
1414
01:24:09,245 --> 01:24:11,288
Excuse me,
I'm gonna answer the question.
1415
01:24:11,288 --> 01:24:12,331
Answer my question.
1416
01:24:12,331 --> 01:24:13,624
No, I'm gonna
answer the question
1417
01:24:13,624 --> 01:24:15,458
the way I want to answer
the question.
1418
01:24:15,583 --> 01:24:17,793
No, you can answer
the question... Your
theatrics are ridiculous.
1419
01:24:17,793 --> 01:24:18,960
...the way I asked it.
1420
01:24:21,837 --> 01:24:25,674
I really got to see,
like, in the flesh, in person,
1421
01:24:25,799 --> 01:24:27,300
like, wow...
1422
01:24:28,718 --> 01:24:32,554
...they really are
turning a blind eye to
this for whatever reason.
1423
01:24:32,554 --> 01:24:35,681
And it only makes you
think that there's got
to be a real reason why,
1424
01:24:35,807 --> 01:24:36,891
right?
1425
01:24:39,059 --> 01:24:42,645
Madam Attorney-General,
will you meet with survivors
after this?
1426
01:24:42,770 --> 01:24:45,980
You're a disgrace to the
legal profession and to women.
1427
01:24:45,980 --> 01:24:49,317
What a shame you are!
Shameful person!
1428
01:24:51,777 --> 01:24:54,654
Are you looking at
the reaction
1429
01:24:54,779 --> 01:24:57,365
in Europe and the UK
and other parts of the world
1430
01:24:57,490 --> 01:25:00,200
and scratching your head
with what's going on here?
1431
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:04,286
Yes. And I see
a different attitude overseas.
1432
01:25:04,286 --> 01:25:08,206
The untouchables
are touchable now.
1433
01:25:08,957 --> 01:25:11,375
Breaking news about
Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.
1434
01:25:11,500 --> 01:25:15,086
The BBC understands that he
has been arrested on suspicion
1435
01:25:15,086 --> 01:25:17,296
of misconduct in public office.
1436
01:25:17,296 --> 01:25:19,506
It comes weeks
after the Justice Department
1437
01:25:19,631 --> 01:25:21,633
released emails
Andrew allegedly sent to
1438
01:25:21,633 --> 01:25:25,344
the late sex offender
Jeffrey Epstein, in 2010.
1439
01:25:26,469 --> 01:25:29,514
I think for several years
1440
01:25:29,639 --> 01:25:32,349
we'd always imagined
that it could come to this place
1441
01:25:32,474 --> 01:25:33,642
and he was arrested,
1442
01:25:33,642 --> 01:25:36,519
and I still found myself
absolutely speechless
1443
01:25:36,519 --> 01:25:38,520
for the first couple of hours.
1444
01:25:38,645 --> 01:25:41,356
Andrew was serving
as a UK trade envoy at the time,
1445
01:25:41,356 --> 01:25:43,149
and appears to have
forwarded Epstein
1446
01:25:43,149 --> 01:25:45,651
British government documents
on trade policy.
1447
01:25:45,651 --> 01:25:48,111
But this wasn't the story
that we were following at all,
1448
01:25:48,111 --> 01:25:49,903
this was something
completely different.
1449
01:25:50,029 --> 01:25:54,157
Now Peter
Mandelson, who was the
UK ambassador to the US,
1450
01:25:54,157 --> 01:25:55,908
has also now been arrested.
1451
01:25:56,034 --> 01:25:59,494
And, you know, it's
fascinating to see how
far this chain will go.
1452
01:25:59,619 --> 01:26:02,288
We are probably
only at the very beginning.
1453
01:26:03,205 --> 01:26:05,249
Over two dozen people
have resigned -
1454
01:26:05,249 --> 01:26:08,376
CEOs, members of
government worldwide -
1455
01:26:08,501 --> 01:26:11,420
but I haven't seen
any arrests or investigations
1456
01:26:11,420 --> 01:26:15,089
here in the United States
from this Department of Justice.
1457
01:26:16,215 --> 01:26:20,218
As an American journalist
looking at everything
happening in Europe,
1458
01:26:20,218 --> 01:26:24,138
this is how
sophisticated democracies react
1459
01:26:24,138 --> 01:26:25,639
to alarming information -
1460
01:26:25,639 --> 01:26:26,723
they investigate.
1461
01:26:26,848 --> 01:26:29,434
I have nothing to hide.
I've been exonerated.
1462
01:26:29,559 --> 01:26:31,977
I have nothing to do with
Jeffrey Epstein.
1463
01:26:31,977 --> 01:26:35,104
What we're seeing
in the United States is
1464
01:26:35,229 --> 01:26:37,523
Trump's Justice Department
trying to say
1465
01:26:37,648 --> 01:26:39,691
that there is
nothing to see here.
1466
01:26:39,691 --> 01:26:41,859
Is there evidence
that Jeffrey Epstein
1467
01:26:41,859 --> 01:26:45,071
was trafficking girls
to other powerful men?
1468
01:26:45,196 --> 01:26:48,406
According to the Associated
Press's review of the files,
1469
01:26:48,531 --> 01:26:49,990
the FBI says no.
1470
01:26:51,742 --> 01:26:55,161
In regards to the sex
trafficking and the abuse,
1471
01:26:55,286 --> 01:26:57,538
do you personally
know of evidence
1472
01:26:57,538 --> 01:27:01,333
that exists within
the Department of Justice,
1473
01:27:01,333 --> 01:27:04,960
within the FBI,
that has not come out yet?
1474
01:27:05,086 --> 01:27:07,587
I do. I do.
1475
01:27:11,882 --> 01:27:14,384
You know,
when you have different girls
1476
01:27:14,384 --> 01:27:18,512
telling the same stories,
corroborating each other...
1477
01:27:19,638 --> 01:27:22,098
...that's powerful,
really powerful.
1478
01:27:22,223 --> 01:27:24,100
So, and again,
1479
01:27:24,100 --> 01:27:28,686
I think we have to believe
victims and survivors
of this sort of thing.
1480
01:27:30,854 --> 01:27:34,440
I know of people
that girls were traded out to
1481
01:27:34,565 --> 01:27:36,609
that have not come out.
1482
01:27:40,278 --> 01:27:42,321
I tend to believe that
1483
01:27:42,446 --> 01:27:44,782
this story
is going to outlive me
1484
01:27:44,907 --> 01:27:48,201
because it's filled with
so many mysteries,
1485
01:27:48,201 --> 01:27:49,702
things people don't know.
1486
01:27:52,037 --> 01:27:55,456
We don't know the depth
of the cover-up yet,
1487
01:27:55,456 --> 01:28:01,461
but I think this will
eventually rank up there
with, uh, Watergate.
1488
01:28:01,586 --> 01:28:03,671
Hopefully
the American public's
1489
01:28:03,796 --> 01:28:05,922
going to continue
to care about this story
1490
01:28:06,047 --> 01:28:10,801
and continue to demand
that we get all of the answers.
1491
01:28:12,386 --> 01:28:15,638
We're done
laying down and being quiet.
1492
01:28:15,638 --> 01:28:17,598
Now we're screaming in public.
1493
01:28:19,933 --> 01:28:21,435
It's a serious question.
Oh, sorry.
1494
01:28:21,435 --> 01:28:23,644
Do you think
you're the devil himself?
1495
01:28:23,769 --> 01:28:25,271
I don't know.
Why would you say that?
1496
01:28:25,271 --> 01:28:27,939
Because you have all
the attributes. You're
incredibly smart.
1497
01:28:27,939 --> 01:28:29,649
You remember, the devil...
Is the devil smart?
1498
01:28:29,649 --> 01:28:32,443
The devil's brilliant.
1499
01:28:32,443 --> 01:28:35,278
Jeffrey Epstein
was the true epitome of evil.
1500
01:28:35,278 --> 01:28:40,532
Very polished,
wealthy, well-spoken,
very intelligent man.
1501
01:28:40,657 --> 01:28:43,909
And he used all
of that for evil.
1502
01:28:46,494 --> 01:28:48,788
We do not
do this story justice
1503
01:28:48,788 --> 01:28:51,040
if we think
it starts and ends with Epstein.
1504
01:28:51,165 --> 01:28:52,333
Of course it doesn't.
1505
01:28:52,333 --> 01:28:55,460
There is so much further to go.
1506
01:29:05,009 --> 01:29:06,801
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